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It’s All Too Odd

Consider that John Boehner and Harry Reid named their different legislation to raise the debt ceiling by the identical name.

Consider also that John Boehner and Harry Reid’s legislation are virtually mirror images to each other — a fact that the rhetoric has obscured, but is in reality accurate.

Consider, in fact, that Boehner and Reid use the same language in various portions of their legislation.

Consider that John Boehner told Sean Hannity tax hikes could come out of his deficit commission despite earlier denials.

Consider also that in one of the key differing portions, John Boehner uses Mitch McConnell’s gimmick of letting the President raise the debt ceiling on his own with merely a congressional vote of “disapproval” that the President can then veto. This is a gimmick embraced by Harry Reid.

Consider that John Boehner claimed actual cuts to the federal budget for 2012 would be just over $6 billion — that is for an entire year. The federal government spends $10 billion a day.

Consider that the Congressional Budget Office determined late last evening that the actual amount of cuts for 2012 would only be $1 billion for the whole year, or about 2.5 hours of federal government spending.

And then consider that the White House, after the Congressional Budget Office’s determination, defended John Boehner on the White House website even after White House officials said they would recommend the President veto Boehner’s plan — actually a different statement from the past. In the past, the White House said definitively that the President would veto the GOP’s idea. Now, they are just saying it’ll be recommended to the President.

Consider all these things and it seems the White House and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to let John Boehner pass his plan if he can get it out of the House. Their very hostility is designed to reassure Republicans. They’ll sign it into law. Then they will blame the GOP when our credit rating is downgraded — something sure to happen with John Boehner’s plan.

Finally, consider this — we are all being played. The conservatives are up front with what they want. The House, Senate, and White House seem to be working at cross purposes, but hiding some of their cards. The only group up front with what it wants — real spending cuts — is the Tea Party movement being portrayed even by the Wall Street Journal as fringe.

I’m left with the only inescapable conclusion one can derive from all of this. Republicans are being played for fools, will wind up with all of the blame and very few cuts and the size and scope of the federal government will continue to grow all thanks to John Boehner who is on his third plan continuing to compromise not with the Democrats, but with the Republicans.

COMMENTS

  • Spiral

    We can simply raise the debt limit and then go to the voters and attempt to persuade them that we need to cut spending for the benefit of the country.

    Or we can throw a tantrum and say that we refuse to raise the debt ceiling unless spending is cut to our satisfaction.

    In reality there are about 150 US House Republicans who are unwilling to accept the US welching on its legal-financial obligations.

    So, it was inevitable that the GOP was going to have to back down from its position of cut spending to our satisfaction or the nation welches on its legal-financial obligations.

    That’s why you see the big poker game going on. Sure the tea partiers are up front about what they want. But tea party Republicans only represent about 15 percent of the US House of Representatives and a similar percentage of the US Senate.

    The tea party faction will eventually get marginalized because they are the only faction that actually sees the US welching on its legal-financial obligations as a serious option. Everyone else wants to avoid welching, spending cuts or no spending cuts.

  • fpete13527

    This is an orchestration. The GOP is getting completely played and Boehner is helping the composition.

    Others who are helping the orchestration are many phony Conservative Republicans (who are actually disguised liberal progressives or squishes) who are supporting leftist narratives and who are attempting to squelch those who are fighting hard to draw a line in the sand now.

  • wennejunk

    The GOP had a chance in 2004 to implement real changes to reverse the direction of the nation and failed to do so.

    They (as in the professional leadership Boehner, McConnell, etc) are not interested in actual leadership or the challenges that come with it.

    Maneuvering the ball up and down the field, but never scoring is the way its done. Punt, deny and make counter-accusations is the MO of these political leaders.

    Stand up and fight on principle? That’s for the rank and file who actually have principles their electorate would recognize.

    Worse, they certainly have convinced themselves that we (us voters) just don’t understand the challenges they face in doing what they are paid to do.

    Its like hiring someone to come in and haul the trash and they refuse to do their job (but still collect their pay) because they don’t like the smell.

    Time for the voters to take out some more trash.

  • fpete13527

    ………..are the ones who will be quickly marginalized…..not the Tea Party Movement.

  • JX12

    This may not be over yet. Drudge is linking to a Washington Times article saying House Republicans are revolting against Boehner’s plan, and that he may have to woo a number of Democrats in order to have enough votes to pass it. If this is true, then we may have some hope of holding the line after all. I guess we’ll see in the coming hours.

  • rj145

    If this is an example of “leadership” then it is definitely time for a change of leaders. The Republican leadership in both houses have demonstrated they are not up to the task. If the party cannot do it, then the voters will have to.

  • JX12

    There is no welching and there will be no default unless the Democrats manufacture it. The Federal Government would still be taking in enough revenue to service its debt. It just can’t borrow additional money to then have to pay back if it refuses to raise the debt ceiling – which is a good thing. If “welching” occurs, it will be because Obama ordered the Treasury Department to stop issuing checks.

    This has to stop somewhere.

  • mikeymike143

    not huff po. i think that you have the wrong site. you sure have the wrong values. liberal nt.

  • anjinconsulting

    But I told you so. This whole exercise is about maintaining the current size of the government and ensuring that it maintains positive growth in the future.

    Boehner and McConnell are traitors to the conservative cause. They need to be exposed for what they really are; this kind of analysis should be disseminated as widely and as effectively as possible. Perhaps you could discuss it on the EERS.

    Spending is the livelihood of all politicians, but spending unabated is the lfeblood of Liberals. This is the opening skirmish of a war for the very existence of Captain Zero and the Democratic Party. To lose this war will mean the end of this country as we know it.

  • clefi

    … begin studying;

    Lies, Damned Lies, and Revenue Enhancements
    http://bit.ly/oUiQal

  • http://undo4me.com WmCraig

    There is another conclusion. John Boehner likes big government as much as the democrats. All legacy Republicans do. They want the power, not a smaller government.

    For decades Republicans and Democrats have been raiding social security trust funds to spend their way into re-election. Now that Social Security no longer produces a surplus, they don’t know what to do.

    But they know what they want, they want to be re-elected, and the more money they have to spend the more they believe that they control being re-elected.

    This explains why Obama Care still hasn’t been repealed. Not the one third of government excuse, but that it will be billions of dollars that Legacy Republicans can spend differently than Democrats.

    In too many ways there really is no difference between Legacy republicans and Democrats.

    So, support your local Tea Party Republican, tell them to stand firm. Ask them to change leadership and get rid of the Legacy Republicans that are equally responsible for running the economy off the cliff. We will support you in the next election.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Why has the non-partisan CBO not also scored the Reid plan?

    What, is it only an alleged plan? I haven’t seen that there is actually anything there, other than he will hold out on it until Thursday to see what happens with the Boehner legislation. Curious.

  • 1stRichard

    Almost fifteen trillion in debt and over one hundred trillion in unfunded liabilities this is poison for anyone who adds to it or has their name on it. Increasing the debt, printing more notes and more liabilities eventually devalues the dollar and increases interest rates, this is a known fact as we are already seeing it. What if the debt limit is not increased, according to the fearmongering it devalues the dollar and increases interest rates? Has anyone noticed the price of everything increasing, from gas to groceries, this is called inflation and continuing this path you will pay more for less, Main Street will not survive this much longer.

    The Tea Party factor and mostly the only Party standing on Main Street but is minority party in all this. Who do you think Main Street will blame if they feel more pain, mostly democrats and a good number of Republicans? It should be clear, increasing the debt limit or messing up this opportunity will lead to the takeover of the Republican Party by the Tea Party.

  • swamphermit

    …your money to the American government? We’re told that the government borrows 40-cents of every dollar spent, which probably means that its much higher if they admit to 40-cents. Basic math suggests that we are broke, even at the 40-cents. Welching may well be on the way…I heard something about $200-trillion in actual debt the other day. Giant Ponzi schemes like SS go unpunished, but we are welchers when we can’t pay…I don’t think so. Time has come to cut-off the spending powers of a government out of control, and start looking at officials to imprison … Boehner and Reid would be a good place to start.

  • blaze422

    Laffer is a strong proponent of CC&B legislation but says that it really isn’t about raising the debt limit/cuts but about winning in 2012. I’m not arguing for going “wobbly” but curious how everyone views Laffer ….as a smart economist but a lousy tactician.?
    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/07/20/would-reagan-vote-for-cut-cap-and-balance/

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    Nothing new here; R’s get played again…shut up and move along in step…

  • hunter

    I find it difficult to believe that our speaker, who has been a strong Republican and Conservative his entire life is now making a deliberate play to roll us.
    I also want to take a very frank assessment of the Conservative side before we go to what will in effect be a political war:
    How are we in promoting the Tea Party in the public square?
    Are we prepared, rightly or wrongly, to ‘own’ the financial chaos that will result in blowing through the debt ceiling?
    How good in reality has the Tea Party movement been in wining elections?

    Another question: Is it better to get a small something that is good, or a whole lotta bad?
    We are putting not simply our political futures at risk in a spirited debate at this point.
    We are putting our savings, our investments, and our retirements up as pawns in this.
    Obama has outed himself as a truculent feckless wananbe in this.
    His own coalition is imploding.
    This raises some more questions:
    Why help him, less than 16 months out from the election he will likely lose?
    Is the chaos and political war that many seem to embrace worth the risk of letting Obama snatch victory from the jaws of defeat?
    We do not have effective national leadership at this time. There is no one at the level of a Reagan at this time able to stand up to Obama and the spend-a-holics effectively in the public square.
    Mutiny against our leaders (for better or worse) right now does not seem to something that will provide good answers to any of these questions.
    I would respectively suggest that we count to ten.

  • trukerdad1019

    Are out there Carrying obama’s water sayin Default, default, default,. Apparently THEY don’t know how ANYTHING works,EITHER! the first 10 cents on the dollar will SERVICE OUR DEBT, after that there is $2.4 TRILLION set aside for social security and such, Then the pres and sec of treasury will have to sit down and P R I O R I T I Z E wow that was a BIG word that means HE (obama) and (tax cheat geitner) will have to DECIDE what GETS PAID. So , I saw atleast 1 person on here that has it RIGHT= If there IS a DEFAULT it WILL be Obama’s FAULT for NOT SERVICING the DEBT. and weTHEN HAVE GROUNDS FOR HIS IMPEACHMENT and REMOVAL FROM OFFICE= He took an OATH to protect and UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES ! DEFAULTING on OUR DEBT that HE RANG UP IS NOT UPHOLDING ANYTHING. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

  • hunter

    The Congress set up a plan, in effect, and then appointed themselves trustees of it. Or at the least over rode the trustees when they rationalized back in the 1960′s how it was OK to raid it.
    And all sides and all Presidents since LBJ have been complicit in this.
    The corrosive effect of this immoral act is one of the things that helped us get to where we are today.
    A question to ask ourselves about this huge embezzlement (the largest in history) is why did we, the beneficiaries and true owners of this trust, put up with it?

  • hunter

    But for the first time ever the US will not pay all obligations in an orderly full faith and credit fashion.
    Think of when someone hires one of those so called bankruptcy alternatives on the radio to help them with their crazy amounts of credit card debt.
    That person’s credit is not improved. And often the plans fail, leading to bk.
    Rush is right: that the debt can be paid, Unless our idiot in chief decides to push the issue, it is that uncertainty that will drive the market.
    Does anyone watching this President and its inability to manage stimulus, healthcare, BP, Libya, etc. etc. etc. etc. think that this Administration will handle payment prioritization any better?

  • Marcus_Traianus

    The House will not come together on a plan, since the votes are not there for either plan Republicans have, or want.

    Reid’s plan in the Senate, which very closely mirrors Boehner’s plan, except worse (it goes through the election, etc.) and with accounting gimmicks ($1 billion in “war” savings) will become the main fallback plan. This will most likely become the plan that passes. We lose. Even bigger than we would have lost with Boehner’s plan.

    Republicans in the Senate can’t find three votes in Democrat “moderates” Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, etc. to pass CCB. They simply don’t have the power or stones. That is over. Finished. Forget it. By the way- are people in those states paying attention?

    So we lose. I completely comprehend standing on principle. But don’t be fooled, there will be a price. That price will be we, as a country, get less. Until we regain the Senate, this will be the case.

  • hunter

    That his economic policies also led to a terrible economic collapse.

  • jpmhofct

    There is no compromise worth taking with Reid or Obama.
    They are merely playing the Washigton go along to get along game. Newly elected Republican Representatives must force Senators to vote on Cut,Cap and Balance and send it to this radical leftist President who must sign and live with it or live forever in the infamy of the failed worst Presidency of our history.

  • ghostship

    Of course the Conservatives are the ones that are getting played here.

    I don’t see the Democrats worrying if their ideas can pass a Republican House. Instead it’s the Republicans on the hill who seem so worried about whether their plans can pass a Democratic controlled Senate and White House. That is because the Republican Party keeps letting the Democrats set the standard of what is acceptable and not acceptable.

    The Democrats are the ones that NEED for Washington to keep spending like there’s no tomorrow. The Republican BASE would be more than happy to see government forced to reign in spending and yet the Republican leadership keeps seeking the approval of the Democrats instead of their own Party’s base.

    As far as the Establishment Republicans are concerned the Left are still the cool kids in D.C. and their own base are just some dorky kids the knew when they were younger and are sort of embarrassed now to be seen with.

  • babykaboomer

    Barack: Give me your lunch money.

    John: You’ll have to kill me for it.

    Barack: Come on, hand it over.

    John: I’ll give you half if you go away.

    Barack: All of it…now!

    John: Small bills ok?

  • greycoat

    Senator Nelson (FL) asked for our opinions. Here is mine:

    From Drudge: SHOCK POLL: 46% Think Most in Congress Are Corrupt… Developing…

    You sir are corrupt and part of a corrupt organization. Don?t piss down our backs and tell us it is raining. Both your radical Marxist Obama and the RINO GOP?ers are pushing a ten year plan and we Americans are not so stupid to believe after a year or two that those 8 or 9 remaining years there will be cuts. You can?t bind future Congresses. Your radical party is spending us into oblivion. No to raising the debt limit. You have revenue of $200 billion/month and interest on the debt is $20 billion/month. You have ENOUGH revenue to pay our bonds, our troops, Social Security, and Medicaid. Claims that Seniors will not get their SS checks is a lie, a ruse, and economic terrorism by a government hell-bent on destroying this country with it?s insane spending. It?s blackmail.

    You Senator Nelson used to be an old-fashioned Democrat, but now you support the radical Marxists in your party who have taken over and corrupted what used to be a good party.

    Your party is driving us to bankruptcy, ruin, and civil war.

    Obama is America?s Number 1 domestic enemy.

  • jpmhofct

    Washington is the go along to get along gang of politicians who are career members of Big Government and have played the game to the tune o f$ !4+ Trillion in debt through long term deficit spending. The Democrats don’t even think they need to submit a budget since Obama sent one which was defeated by 97 to 0 in the Senate! Republican budget from trhe House and Cut,Cap and Balance were ignored by Democrat Senate. The career politicians Rino and Democrats who will not support these two actions pushed by Newly elected Republican Representative must be voted out of office

  • Waderic

    This isn’t a revolt against the GOP leadership. This is a principled revolt against a plan that doesn’t solve our problems.
    What’s the use in passing a plan that barely touches spending, in order to borrow more when the credit ratings agencies are telling us that we need to cut our spending and borrow less?
    I’ll support anything that accomplishes those goals without accounting gimmicks in any real way. This new Boehner/Reid plan isn’t it.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Doesn’t quite have the same ring as “our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.” Not that you would have done that either.

  • Lesstressrx

    I live in Nashville and on occasion have been to functions Mr. Laffer has attended and spoke. I have heard him talk on numerous shows on TV & radio. He is a well respected economist and did work with Regan, but in my opinion, he is a true RINO politically. He financially supports both parties. He has been a BIG supporter of Congressman Jim Cooper from Nashville. Mr. Cooper is one of the biggest spenders in Washington. National Taxpayers Union rates him with an F. I am not surprised that he supports CC & B as it is the best thing out there, but he will have no problem with a compromise. Let?s face it, business people are upset with this administration whether they are democrat or republican. I suspect, in this situation, it is more about politics then it is about tactics.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Isn’t that the current excuse for people not holding the line?

  • bk

    Reid won’t do anything until the Senate kills the Boehner bill (if it even makes it out of the House). Then he’ll offer his plan as the only choice left, expecting 80% of Republicans to cave and vote for it.

    I’d love to see Boehner turn the tables given this is the game, and say that since it seems the Senate seemingly can’t pass anything that he’ll hold off a House vote until the Senate votes on the Reid plan. But Boehner is trying to act like the adult in the room, so he won’t stall like Reid will.

    Reid’s plan is even worse than Boehner’s, so wouldn’t it be better to see that one go down the tubes first? As I see it, Reid’s plan is in effect a $2.4T bump in Obama’s credit card limit with no strings attached since the “cuts” are mostly phantom, whereas Boehner’s plan at least would force votes on at-risk Senate Dems that they are DESPERATELY trying to avoid.

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    It is so obvious that we are all being lied to continually by Washingtonians who have no concept of restraint. We TRUE conservatives are characterized as being ignorant of how the debt ceiling works even by Fox News. Charles Krauthammer is even blinded by the serpents. He is saying that not raising the debt ceiling is irresponsible. To Hades with them all.
    For God’s sake why do I (WE the PEOPLE) have to watch quietly while my CHILDREN are being taxed and indebted to politicians in Washington who have the morals of serpents. Do you want to see a tantrum? Raise the debt ceiling without IMMEDIATE and HUGE spending cuts. As the Lord lives, if they (CONGRESS) raise the debt ceiling without restraint, then a new set of chains will be forged in the aftermath of our tantrum.

  • Aaron Gardner

    How do you know that Boehner or Reid’s plans won’t lead to the same? I mean, neither of them hit the requirements that the rating agencies have put out to avoid a downgrade. So what is your angle?

  • hunter

    The lack of goodwill or sincerity that many people here seem unable to attribute to those with whom they disagree is a disturbing trend.
    There may well be time to risk our lives and sacred fortunes in this effort.
    Right now we are risking mostly our money.
    If the situation calls for it, I know I will give my all.
    The point is to avoid that when possible.

  • hunter

    If we get nothing, what will we have accomplished?

  • Bill S

    The U.S. will most certainly “pay all obligations in an orderly full faith and credit fashion” To assume otherwise is just nonsense. We have WAY more than enough money to service the debt. Even Obama himself has admitted that we will continue to pay the debt obligations. Now something ELSE will most certainly have to wait for payment, but that won’t affect the debt service.

    Fact of the matter is that the debt rating should have been reduced a couple of years ago, when Obama began his destructive spending, and the agencies have said as much.

    Now just stop the blather about the nation defaulting. It’s not going to happen, and it never WAS going to happen.

  • Lesstressrx

    This is a terrific well written article and I hope all readers pass it on. I certainly have.
    Boehner has been talking to Rush Limbaugh and Hannity. Rush had him on his show. He is very aware of what the American people want, the very people that put him in office, if he screws this up, he definitely should be removed come November 2012. By the way, the TEA PARTY fringe as they like to refer to us, are normal Americans that are sick and tired of the Washington games.
    I am aware we don?t have the majority in the Senate nor do we have the support of a President, but ?if ? Boehner was a great negotiator this could get done.
    Thanks Eric.

  • Aaron Gardner

    The only plan that hits all the requirements the rating agencies have set is CCB. Why do you want the U.S. to lose its AAA credit rating?

  • Bill S

    .

  • Aaron Gardner

    Well said.

  • carolina

    He’s trying to get something that both the House and Senate can support. “There’s a lot of compromisin’ on the road to my horizon.”
    The dems agreed, then welched when BO said no.
    I, personally, think Boehner is negotiating in good faith. I do not think BO/dems are negotiating in good faith.
    All I want is to defeat the dems and BO in 2012. Then we will have a real chance to fix the Washington mess.

  • carolina

    He’s trying to get something that both the House and Senate can support. “There’s a lot of compromisin’ on the road to my horizon.”
    The dems agreed, then welched when BO said no.
    I, personally, think Boehner is negotiating in good faith. I do not think BO/dems are negotiating in good faith.
    All I want is to defeat the dems and BO in 2012. Then we will have a real chance to fix the Washington mess.

  • bk

    People hating Congress is equated to people hating the GOP and especially the Tea Party. It could just as easily be the case that it means people hate the Senate Democrats for doing absolutely nothing this entire session.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    Given that the Boehner and Reid Bills are oddly similar, my guess is that the House would pass the Boehner Bill and the Senate would pass the Reid Bill. Both the House and the Senate say the other’s bill is DOA. But what if the bills are so similar that the leadership simply deems them the same and the two are then deemed as passed – no conference committee and no separate vote. In essence a vote for the Boehner plan in the House is a vote for the Reid plan.

    At this point I would put nothing past Obama, Reid, and even Boehner.

  • Waderic

    I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. If we get nothing, what have we accomplished?

    Let me lay it out as I understand it:
    The goal: We need to raise our debt limit so that we don’t lose our credit rating and “default”… if not to creditors, then to the people expecting money in our own country.

    The plan: We cut approx. $840B over 10 years…. Boehner might up it back to $1.2T after the CBO report. If this passes, we can borrow more, until April, possibly get tax increases from the commission and probably still lose our credit rating.

    What we get: $1.2B in cuts over 10 years. Losing AAA rating costs us ~$100B/year on our national debt and it also hurts our economy by raising borrowing rates for everyone.
    Total: We may gain $200B in cuts (20 days of spending) over the next 10 years, but by raising interest rates and borrowing more, we no doubt come out underwater.

    Like you said…. If we get nothing, what will have been accomplished?

  • Aaron Gardner

    Well done. ;)

  • gunslingr45

    I seem to remember Erick railing against Boehner becoming speaker when he was put in that postilion. So how does it feel to be right Erick? The chickens are coming home to roost and we need to pluck the bad ones. What we should be demanding as the Conservatives who raged against the liberal spending machine, now rage against Balless Boehner and force him into stepping down if possible! Can that be done ask a simple soldier?

    So many RINO?s like Boehner so little time!

  • blaze422

    NT

  • momofthecastle

    for fools. But only fools would think that these liberal guys and gals would be up front and honest in their dealings.
    If the Republicans are going to be up front in what they want, they need to be ready to stand firm on what they are requesting, even if they are threatened with the idea that what they are doing will not get them re-elected.
    They need to do the right thing, regardless. Until we have folks like that in Congress, we haven’t got good people in there.

  • gunslingr45

    also need to put in a plug for the guy that IS going to replace the RINO known as Lugar. Say hello to Mr. Mourdock:
    Who in the first public poll of the campaign has the RINO by 2 points.
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/Richard-Mourdock-Dick-Lugar-poll-Indiana-Senate-207680-1.html?pos=hatrtp
    I am going to spend any extra money I have and some time for this guy because frankly the RINO has got to go.
    Right now, Lugar is Obumber’s favorite Republican even if others are trying to take that title from him.

    So many RINO?s like Lugar, so little time!

  • hunter

    You are wound up a bit too tight on this. I have been, am and will be a conservative long after this crisis passes.
    Perhaps one of the reasons we are not winning this as we should be is that instead of responding to points and dealing withthem, too many of us are seeing signs of conspiracies and personalizing this.
    Any obligations the US fails to pay on a timely basis is going to have a detrimental impact on us all.
    Your point that we perhaps the debt ratings should have been lowered a few years ago is valid, but I for one am grateful it has not yet happened.
    But I think you should consider more closely my point about just how incompetent this President is: He could easily screw this up simply through his well established idiocratic leadership style.

  • hunter

    I have strong concerns about how a reasonable review of our credit worthiness would come out.

    By the way, I do like your closing tag line. It sums up nicely how many of my lefty friends look at things.

  • Aaron Gardner

    We bring in more than we need each month to service our debt. You are either lying are don’t understand what a default is.

  • izoneguy

    The MSM is almost putting out a doomsday default clock. Like what Obama said is actually the truth. America won’t default unless Obama does it on purpose. Kinda like – I have plenty of money but I don’t feel like making
    my minimum payment on my credit card bills. Even Fox News is doing it now.
    Obama wants to raise America’s credit card limit another 2.5 Trillion dollars.
    And for what? To pay for ObamaCare and the rest of his liberal fantasies.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Now if you are so concerned why not support the one plan that could avoid a downgrade in our AAA rating?

  • 4suramcan

    They’ve been playing us for decades, very subtley. But now it’s in your face. And we’re still wondering whats going on. Idiots, still.

  • amigag

    Glad you are clearing this up. I’ve noticed the many comments that are not Conservative and don’t support Redstate. Some are very rude. I’ve been taught that when you are a guest in someone else’s house, you are to be respectful. I’ve seen many comments that are not.

    Also, feeding trolls are a no-no.

  • RDCook

    Bi partisan compromise = When the Republicans and Democrats agree to slightly remove their fondling hands from each other?s front pocket so they can reach further with their left to fleece the public.

  • RDCook

    Bi partisan compromise = When the Republicans and Democrats agree to slightly remove their fondling hands from each other?s front pocket so they can reach further with their left to fleece the public.

  • 4suramcan

    dont work anymore, DUH.

  • poquinn

    to “convince” Dems to go along with Boehner’s plan when it practically mirrors Reid’s plan? It’s what the ruling class wants anyway.

    I don’t this tactic is worth hanging our collective hats on. Our only hope is that enough R’s in Congress voteBoehner’s plan down outright, setting the stage to force Cut, Cap & Balance.

  • amigag

    It’s passed time for some push back on these surrender comments!!

  • johnstoirvin

    “Maneuvering the ball up and down the field, but never scoring is the way its done.”

    No wonder I’ve never liked the game…. either one of them.

  • pegasus

    send a message to our “reps” in congress..” take some testosterone booster, do the job we sent you to Washington to accomplish, or YOU will be on the unemployment line by mid- August”. Why wait for Obummer and his pack of liars to sell us further down the river? Why do we CONSTANTLY let our supposed “leaders” do whatever THEY want instead of following the will of THE PEOPLE?
    Boehner, McConnell, et al… DO YOUR JOBS OR YOU’RE FIRED!!!!

    RECALL!

  • cacharlie

    that the tea party knows we don’t have to welch.
    That ‘s because true tea partiers know shouldering blame for doing the right thing marginalizes the true welchers on any deal..
    Sure, it takes time for what goes around to come around – but it’s people who know that who keep this old world turning.

  • pegasus

    fire is sorry butt and replace him!!!!

  • gunslingr45

    have to explain that one, me being just a dumb old soldier.

    So many RINO?s, so little time!

  • rightwingmom52

    in the country to take away the toys of uncontrolled spending and perks from our congressmen, entitlements from the clueless (not those who genuinely need assistance), and the free ride to citizens who pay no taxes. A little discipline goes a long way. I think it’s time to bring out the wooden paddle.

    As for the Tea Party, good luck winning an election if the GOP loses that segment of its voting block because they’ve lost, not to mention its own base of conservatives.

    You also seem to have missed the point that the credit agencies have said they want to see $4 trillion in cuts. It’s not just conservatives and the Tea Party. Even Lindsey Graham said this morning that Boehner’s plan has only about 6 hours worth of cuts in it.

  • hunter

    Electing a government that will do what should have been done in 2009 instead of porculus will help us: A true stimulus of tax breaks for corporations, relief for Americans, and a reduction in regulation and special interest bailouts of Obama’s union and crony-capitlist friends.
    Screwing up the markets and pi**ing off a whole lot of people will not get us a good election outcome.
    Calling people like me- a conservaitve activist for my entire voting life, since the 1970′s, a defeatist is not very productive either.
    I will still be supporting, with time and money, conservative candidates wherever possible long after this little standoff is forgotten.
    Where will you be?