and others? I would LOVE to give their staff a call. I may not live in their district, but I have money to send their primary opponents. And I want very badly for the @#!&?s to know it.

Thanks for holding the line Erick.

nt

The rumors I have been reading are that contrary to some terrible deal with the devil being made, both the House and Senate proposed bills that aren’t actually bills are collapsing in support:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/27/boehner-reid-both-back-drawing-board/

Meanwhile CNN’s website is pouring gasoline on the fire by basically asserting black is white, the Earth is flat, and the American people support tax increases by a huge majority if only the obstructionist radicals in the Republican Party would get out of the way. (I’m not going to dignify that with a link.)

Even with the unspeakably low standards for a bill’s passage that have been embellished by the Democrats, I don’t think sides that are writing separate bills can possibly give something to Obama to sign by August 2 like slipping a homework assignment under a professor’s door just before midnight.

I don’t see how any conclusion can be drawn other than the Democrats are deliberately running out the clock on a deadline they themselves established for their own purposes.

Eric, while I completely disagree with you on your treatment of Romney on your show and previously here on this site.

I am 110% behind you here. In my opinion Default is better than the John Boehner plan. I also think we need to tie what is going on with ObamaCare. We should point out that ObamaCare is main reason why we are where we are.

I have always believed that you do what is right and let the consequence follow. If we always cave, we become democrats. We need to hold the line or throw these bums out and get a different set in 2012 for any republican who votes for the plan. We need to let these Republicans know that we will primary them out if they vote for the plan.

I elected to fax both of my senators, Corker (maybe a RINO) and Alexander (RINO), and also my rep. Steve Cohen. I know fax will mean nothing to Cohen, one of the Socialist Dems of America, and far lefty. I choose to fax because they canNOT be deleted like email, and you can’t be put on hold forever, AND faxes must be recorded!

I hope the conservatives will stand firm against the DemocRats and the RINO republicans. I think a lot of this has been political posturing. It is past time to clean house, both the House and Senate!

So what’s the big deal?

Senate will have killed off TWO House bills, and Reid’s bill..whatever it is?..won’t get out of the Senate either..

Seems to me we get what we want, and the Dems get the blame

I’ve e-mailed and called him in the past and don’t believe he will fold.

If anything, the Republican position should be stronger now that we are hearing from the international credit rating agencies that the debt ceiling is not the issue. The issue (as we have been saying) is the level of spending relative to GDP and the corresponding debt load. It’s almost too obvious to mention that raising the debt ceiling will only worsen this problem.

Now more than ever we need to reject the notion that when the going gets tough the tough start compromising.

We’re all in this together. It is RINO’s and fake conservatives attacking us now. HOLD. THE. LINE. Any “Republican” who goes with Boehner and his insane spending and taxing plan can expect to be replaced next year in a GOP primary election. COUNT ON IT. Hold the line, or be replaced with someone with who DOES have some brains, courage, and steadfastness.

Well, if the House of Representatives won’t pass any bill to rescue our AAA rating, except a bill that requires a constitutional amendment, then the GOP is going to be in big public relations trouble. That goes triple if Wall Street crashes. Beohner’s plan seems better than the GOP strapping dynamite to its waste and threatening to blow everyone up.

On the other hand, public relations is not everything. Taking thus up to the brink may be a useful warning that next time it may well go past the brink.

Called: Cornyn, Barton, Burgess

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This is starting to look like the start of a third party. I know it would give BO the election, but if he does win, the GOP will be useless as they are now, so whats the difference. I have had it with the GOP for many years now, hoping and praying they would see the “Conservative light”, but my faith in them has faded completly. They have made their bed, now they must sleep in it!!

It really doesn’t matter. Our government has made it clear they would rather sell this country of ours to China rather than cut spending. If your not cleaning your guns and buying ammo, your on the wrong side. We cannot survive another two years of this. It’s time to fight or put on chains.

He is working against everything conservatives stand for on the debt. He will get obama a second term. Now to find out teaparty patriots are working with him to say that tens of thousands of us want Boehner fired. News flash… We dont. PLEASE Stop lying. I do not think we should trust redstate, tea party patriots and possibly Erick

I urge everyone to read the article that says Erick was involved with secret emails to blast republican leaders to vote against cut cap and balance.. http://www.rollcall.com/news/republicans_dress_down_jim_jordan_rsc_aide-207730-1.html?pos=hln

“The GOP rank and file tore into Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (Ohio) on Wednesday for his role in coordinated attacks on Republicans who have backed Speaker John Boehner’s (Ohio) debt limit proposal.

According to participants, during a closed-door Republican Conference meeting Wednesday, Jordan and a top RSC staffer came under fire from their colleagues for their role in the attacks.

The RSC, Heritage Action for America and others have closely coordinated their opposition to Boehner’s debt plan — including circulating a public pressure hit list of Republicans prepared by the RSC.

Significantly, several of the Members on the list are also members of the RSC and were none too pleased that their dues were being used to gin up attacks against them, according to numerous lawmakers and staff.

The list was circulated to Heritage Action and other members of the Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition and Erick Erickson, an influential conservative blogger who has often waged open warfare against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republicans he views as too moderate.

In the email, a RSC junior staffer wrote: “Today is the day to kill the Boehner deal. We need statements coming up to the Hill every hour of the day in mounting opposition to the plan. If we keep this from ever coming to the Floor, we have a greater chance of victory than defeating a vote on the floor.”

In an apparent reference to a previous email from Erickson, the aide continued, “To echo Erick’s email, we need some serious heat up here,” before listing the Republicans whom the activists were to target.

During the meeting, Jordan apologized for the list and promised his colleagues that it would not happen again, participants said. RSC Communications Director Brian Straessle also apologized in a statement, saying, “This action was clearly inappropriate and was not authorized by the Chairman or any other members of the staff. This has never been — and never will be — the way we do business at the RSC.”

Reps. Renee Ellmers (N.C.), Bill Flores (Texas) and others who found themselves on the list gave angry speeches about the incident, and at least one lawmaker demanded Jordan fire the junior staffer for sending out the email.

Rep. Greg Walden (Ore.) also read the text of an email that Paul Teller, the RSC’s top staffer, sent to outside activists. According to a copy of the email, Teller wrote: “Guys — not feeling good. Just got out of Conference, and there was a lot of rally-‘round-the-Speaker sentiment, even while admitting the plan was ‘not perfect.’”

Teller’s email went on to complain about the process outlined in the closed meeting, noting that the “bill text will be available tonight and will likely be on the floor Wednesday morning, in clear violation of the 3-day layover rule. The CCB pledge is nowhere to be found in any of these deliberations.”

Walden, who bluntly told Teller that he was “privileged” to be in the GOP Conference meeting, then lit into the aide, arguing that, “You should not use that privilege to tear down this team for outside organizations.”

Following the meeting, Jordan insisted he had no knowledge of the emails and said he was discussing what to do about the aides internally.

But the RSC Member list is not the first time conservatives have stepped out of traditional bounds during the debt fight.

On Tuesday, former Rep. Ernest Istook (R-Okla.) took to the House floor to lobby his former colleagues to vote against Boehner’s plan, raising questions about the propriety of such actions.

Istook is a distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
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Staff said he has not endorsed the Boehner plan. Wants a Balanced Budget Amendment.

But I cannot imagine what he was thinking with this nonsense.

Not enough immediate cuts – and I know the biggest numbers will always come in the out years with a baseline budget, but $1 bil is a joke – and no cap to enforce them down the road.

But the real poison pill is the “committee” to come up with future cuts. This has never worked in Washington, and won’t work now, and should not be supported by Republicans.

Unfortunately, I was districted into a “safe minority district” as a sacrifice to ensure GOP domination of the rest of the delegation, so “my” congressman is part of the problem.

Nothing? Does anyone know?

If I know the score correctly, no matter what we do short of more than a few trillion in real cuts our credit will be downgraded anyway. Right? So it only costs more in interest to punt, plus whatever overspending they would be doing anyway. I wish we would have had this fight in the spring over the CR instead of doing it now.

I don’t know if I understand the sitution enough to really weigh in on it, except that I think there are better ways of solving this problem than with the “Cut, Cap, Balance,” mainly because I am opposed to either version of the Balanced Budget Amendment for a couple of reasons:

1) For either version one could consider that if we had had this in the constitution for the last 10 years, it would have changed nothing, for the fact that we were involved in military conflict. It also wouldn’t have stopped anything that happened in the last 2 years because the Democrats had a supermajority to override the caps. We still would have had the bailouts, stimulus, and ObamaCare, and we’d still be in the same place with debt, spending and big government hosing the economy.

2) Setting spending limits at 18% of the economy acquiesces to all the extra-constitutional stuff government does. If big government is the cause, it would seem like a better deal to abridge its power rather than attempt some sort of arbitrary limits that have no definition and constitutionalize everything its been doing. Bad idea.

3) The BBA doesn’t even touch agency debt, which was one of the ways government got us into so much trouble with housing. Just imagine a world where the only way for government to get what it wants is to jack the financial system and leverage public/private partnerships. The kind of corruption, undue influence and distortions in markets would likely make things pretty bad when it comes down to trying to make a living, save and invest. And I think that is the opposite of what many hope to achieve with this.

And so I don’t want it, and I son’t understand why we are leaving the main reasons we are so booged down economically intact. Are we really so addicted to big government that we just can’t give it up?

One of the smartest toughest conservatives out there strongly defends boehner.

nt

(Drum roll please)

Kill Obamacare.

Problem solved.

Ok, I know that isn’t a possiblity right now, we need the house, Senate and the White House before we can do that. Honestly though, Obamacare is the single biggest reason we are here, and the democrats frank disregard for the insanity of what they forced down our throats.

Now, that being said, every 6 months or so, there is ANOTHER damned “Crisis” that the Oblidiot in chief comes up with to shove something else down our throats. Crisis to crisis to crisis…. anyone else want off this sick twisted pony ride?

The federal government is the problem. From the cost of milk (OMG have you bought a gallon of milk lately?? It’s more than GAS for heaven’s sake!) to the cost of dog food, everything costs more, fewer people have jobs, fewer businesses are hiring, and all of it can be traced back to D.C, Congress in particular. At no time in history has the federal government had more power over the people, and they are blatantly molesting all of us.

If we have the courage of our convictions, that means taking the power the fed has stolen from the states and returning it, forcibly if necessary (and I use THAT term loosely).

I do not like Bohner’s plan. But lets be blunt for a moment. We have to play this game with an end-goal in mind. Nov. 2012. That means hedging some bets, and swallowing some things we do not like until such time as we own the House, Senate, and the White House. THAT is what we really need, and all of us would do damn well to remember it. This is a game of thrones, and that means playing to win. The Oblidiot is tanking in the polls, and we MUST help grease that particular downhill slope. The harder he falls, the better we do in November.

Keep the target in sight people, and don’t pull the trigger until the right time. Now isn’t the right time. Patience grasshopper. Patience.

A Boehner sypatico just got his ass handed to him by El Rushbo.

Rush just turned the tables on the idea that the failure of the Boehner plan is a vote for Obama.

This fight is just now getting good!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

nt

I will also wait for Boehner’s reformulated plan tomorrow.

That said, I suspect ultimately his plan will be the best deal we, as American’s can get at this time. The speaker, with whom I have often very vocally agreed, will pass CCB if we get a Republican President and Senate. He has said so, and I take him at his word. It can not pass now.

I believe not raising the debt ceiling will seriously undermine our party.That was never an option at this juncture. It will hurt our candidates with the public. It will make us no better than our rivals, who have no plan and put us in this situation. Whatever happened to the “party of ideas”?

I believe that the inter-party warfare is destructive. Both to Republicans public image and our negotiating position. Witness, this type of behavior is often provoked by the other party.

I believe private coordination which works against the party, not with it is questionable and can hurt one’s credibility. The RSC’s actions were very questionable.

I believe in standing on principle, but not to the point it becomes an existential threat or personally diminishing practice.

I believe that attacking others who have been Conservative stalwarts, because you don’t agree with their position, which they have rationally presented and articulated is shallow and destructive. Reasonable people disagree. But those differences are settled in rational, productive way which ultimately benefits the common philosophy we share.

Just my $0.02.

is worth two trillion dollars.

We have 1/2 of 1/3 of the government!We are in a position to influence policy but not dictate it!Stubborn refusal to take small victories now insures NO victories in the future.We need to take what we can get now and work towards replacing demoncraps and rinos in the next election,especially Obumble!Starting a civil war in the party now is just stupid.We need to primary the faux republicans and beat the demoncraps if we want change.Throwing actual conservatives under the bus is counterproductive!

Time to start primary plans.

And Allen West is off any and all of my national office wish lists.

Not only was he the first to cave…he lead the charge,

. . . and the cost to borrow money goes up? Is the extra cost to borrow at more expensive rates included in this debt ceiling raise? Or are we going to go sliding into the 2012 election with another debt limit raise a few weeks before the November election?

Sorta, kinda, maybe a new debt ceiling request would be fitting revenge for all this crap. It would be fitting to see these Republican & Democrat politicians face the voters with a fresh request for more money at the eleventh hour.

Harumph.

anyway?

Credit markets aren’t fooled by the hocus pocus of cuts in out years that never come.

So, when the Boehner plan fails, it won’t just be Obama and the press against the timid rhinos; rather, we will have strong conservative candidates taking it right to Obama’s glass jaw.

A Boehner fail will not be an Obama victory.

got in the mix with his stupid letter in Townhall. They don’t get it – this is OUR HILL to stand on and defend. Boehner doesn’t understand that. I think Obama does though – I really think this is all about splitting our base. But I really believe the Republicans are 80% Conservative (the people, not the legislators). The House GOP needs to hold the line for us. So what if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. I’m to the point now where I welcome it.

because Boehner told them to get their a**** in line? Surely there are men and women who have more courage than that. I hope one or more told him to kick rocks.

Note to Speaker Boehner: These people were not sent to Washington to kow-tow to you or anybody else. They were sent to represent the American people and what is best for this country. If your “revised” bill stinks as much as the first one, it is you that will be toast.

To all of those establishment Republicans who have name-called us, attacked RS, FreedomWorks, and other true conservative (principled) organizations, I would say thank you. Thank you for showing your true colors and your absolute disdain for the American people and the Tea Party. Now we know who NOT to listen to and who will try and use us to garner political points. Be forewarned, we are going to do everything we can to take the GOP from you and I believe we will succeed.

We will support you. Now is when you separate the men from the boys, to use an apropos euphemism. A lot of this was unanticipated, but the war goes on.

It’s not a pretty sight, the left fights dirty, but the weak-kneed Republicans must be weeded out, or we’re looking at a 3rd Party. Of course, this means more of Obama than any of us want to think about.

has never been anything other than a RINO. We are in deep Sh&T for the 2012 elections and it is all because of these RINO’s that are still attacking the conservative branch of the GOP. they still don’t get the fact that without the conservative Branch there would be no problem for congress right now passing the Debt ceiling or any other liberal law they wanted to because the Democrats would still be in charge. Actually with Boehner as the Speaker of the house the Democrats are still in charge. They learned early on with the 2011 budget fight that all they had to do is wait until the last minute and Boehner would cave in. That is what they are doing right now. Because of the fight that Boehner is fostering within the Party Obama’s chances for re-election increase everyday. it is to the point of breaking right now and the Tea Party or what ever you want ot call the conservative branch is to the point of breaking away and that will assure a Democratic President in the next two elections.

I have feared this since the day the Tea Party Marched to stop Obamacare and the Republicans did not sign on with them Then Karl Rove started attacking candidates and actually gave Harry Reid another go at Majority leader. If not for Karl Rove reid would have lost his seat and The Democrats would have had to pick someone else as the Majority leader.We conservatives need to make sure we don’t split before the 2012 elections and we have to show Boehner and the other RINO’s that we mean business. We need to go back to the Reagan Era Conservative GOP. The RINO’s fear Reagan almost as much as they Fear Tea Party members. WE need to create a New Name for the Conservative Branch of the Party and then not allow Karl Rove, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, McCain or any of the other RINO’s to deface us with out them understanding they are defacing themselves. They need to realize we mean business and that we intend to take over and make this country Fiscally sound once again. That means we do not compromise with the left and we become relentless with the Senate until we get what we want. Look what Reagan did and he had a fully Democratic congress most of the time. He stopped the Jimmy Carter carnage and put the country back on it’s feet. the Worst mistake Reagan ever made was having George Bush as his VP. Second mistake was keeping during the second term. He didn’t need the votes that Bush brought to the table the second time around. Bush immediately began to dismantle The Reagan legacy within the first year of his Preisdency. then he turned the country over to Bill Clinton. I could go on withthe legacy of RINO’s but it is a long sad story. One last thing, what is the difference between a Liberal and a RINO? A Liberal doesn’t lie about who they are.

Republican leadership has so little regard for the awareness and intellect of the public… the TEA PARTY…or the savvy of the Democrats. When out credit is downgraded and the Boehner plan is passed…guess who gets blamed.

I’m coming to believe there is a ruling aristocracy in Washington…and they are the majority of Democrats and Republicans

But Paul Ryan sure is good. He was just on Greta…and he sure did articulate the Boehner bill in an articulate reasonable way. If we’re bound to have this, he made it a bit more palitable.

…the bar is set way to low and how much more are they going to negotiate away when the loons balk at it?

They just got to back away from the table and quit negotiating. CCB is still the way to go.

…he’s brought me back down to reality.

Boehner’s plan still increases dept by 7 Trillion.

Unbelievable.

That should have been “now”….and Rand Paul

I sent the following email to Boehner,cc’d to McKeon. Also called McKeon, received a frigid response. Primary anyone?

“Get your ass in line”? Really? I suggest you get yours inline with the majority of Americans who want spending decreased now, with or without the scare tactics associated with raising for the 100th + time a truly imaginary debt ceiling.
I supported the new members of congress election with as many dollars as I could. Most I could not afford to spend. Now you have the nerve to tell them to get in line. Where to, the bankruptcy of our Nation?

Mr. Speaker, if I were in Congress my response to you..NUTS