Since none of these bills do any good in the mid term, and do actual damage in the long term, I wish they would just get it over with, it’s just a FUBAR situation (financially unstable bills are recurrent).

We (conservatives) are now on record as being unyolked from bad Republican ideas. Let them eat their cake now with their statist allies on the left in Congress. We hobbits united.

Both parties are much weaker and susceptable to electoral punishment after this debt debate. Thats always healthy for the people. As said once in the movie Godfather, ‘these things have to happen from time to time…it gets rid of all the bad blood.’

when is this farce ever going to stop.These republicans can’t stick to their guns.Baehner is a wussy .I think no matter what the house does reid will strip it one way or another.I am so fed up I hope the whole place shuts down.We need changesin our leadership.And fast.

to fund the gov’t THIS MONTH!!!

Then tell him to get the Senate to pass the bills the House has already approved.

Then next month ask for something else, like cap spending. The next month, cut this. And so forth.

After a few months of wearing them down, go for the big stuff.

Otherwise why wouldn’t Harry Reid have opened debate on his bill instead of having the Senate sit around for 24 hours doing absolutely nothing? After all, isn’t every minute critical to keep us from going into the abyss? That’s what we keep hearing.

At least Boehner is being an adult and trying to pass something. Reid is being a snake and a liar, not that that’s anything new.

There is no reason for conservatives to pass Boehner’s bill. They already passed two good bills, CCB and Paul Ryan’s. Let the chips fall where they may. Let the Smithsonian close up shop and let the Department of Education lock their doors. Let the liberals make the case for their spending.

There is more than enough evidence of government spending that can be cut, someone needs to make that the focus of this debate rather than worrying about the sky falling. It won’t fall. The country may however if someone doesn’t put a line in the sand somewhere. Now is not as good as two years ago, but it’s better than next year.

From today’s Manchester Union Leader: ““We are here to compromise. We are here to work with the other side of the aisle,” Guinta, who represents the First Congressional District, said on the floor of the House Thursday.”

No Frank, you are not there to compromise. You are there to rein in the spending.

Hopefully, enough of the freshman class will not succumb to the DC mentality and give in. Next year, we need to get good primary challengers to get rid of the phonies masquerading as conservatives.

… will win in 2012.

Boehner and company are fighting extra super hard to avoid being it.

I watched McCain the maverick last night state that “we have to do this, and then fight in a few months.”… yeah John, just like Obamacare that is still sitting out there.. Ann Coulter said ” we have one third of the branches of government”… no shi& Ann, this stupid person already knew that… The GOP are less trustworthy than the democrat party, it always plays out this way.

Just to prove that we on the Right aren’t completely unreasonable I have a proposal that I would support.

$1.00 in real cuts.

One measly dollar.

I’d support a debt limit increase if they agree that the amount the government can spend in 2012 is to be $1.00 less than the amount to be spent in 2011.

The sad thing is that would be the largest spending cut Washington has made in decades.

Come on, it’s just one lousy dollar.

Is that too extreme?

I’d love to hear the Left explain how that’s unreasonable.

If memory serves, the Senate didn’t full debate Cut-Cap-and-Balance…they just passed a motion to table it.

Fine. If we’re concerned about a hundred House Democrats voting in a bad bill that Harry Reid sends them, simply refuse to schedule a vote on it.

(Come to think of it, I expect that John Boehner could get 217 votes to defeat Harry Reid’s bill, once he explains what Reid is trying to do).

If the Senate Dems want to scream that the House GOP is playing games with the process, here’s how the House GOP should respond:
- You smothered CCB, so we smothered your bill. Hey, it worked for you…
- Come talk to us once you produce a budget. HOW long has it been?

Now, to be sure, Boehner is going to have to deploy LOTS of well-spoken House GOP members, with fire in their belly, to defend what the House GOP is doing. I’m sure he has them—let’s get them out there.

Well, here we go. The responsible people in the room are trying to figure this out. Maybe this is a situation which they feel some responsibility in resolving as adults do. The children, Obama et al. democrats in general have no fiscal responsibility. It’s the adults check book. So…………. here we go again. The adults will get blamed by an irresponsible media. Blame Blame so forth. (By the way, this is a similar tactic used in post Weimar republic days and the NAZI assumption of power, read William Shirer’s book “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, also typical of most socialist enterprises) If you make it a dirty looking fight people will get upset and take anything to get it over. This is exactly what is occurring right now. Our Republic requires that people be responsible and to express their free speech. It is a dirty process, but it must be this way. Freedom comes with responsibility, the socialist does not believe in the individual only the state, so fiscal issues are of no matter. But the individual must be fiscally responsible to be free. This is what the fight is about. Are we to be free and responsible for our own lives? Or are we going to continue to be slaves to the state? Seems to me that all else, markets, media etc. is only a reaction to what occurs here.

Aside from avoiding the disruptions caused by hitting the debt ceiling, I don’t understand how Boehner’s plan helps Obamacare.

This needs to be better explained.

that Obama will invoke the 14th amendment (albeit unconstitutionally) and raise the debt limit if no deal is reached. Now that would be interesting. Would the American people see it as heroic or despotic?

(she says, beating head against a brick wall…)

Witness, friends, the Stupid Party in action.

I think that is what I just heard.
…..because the House didn’t pass their Bill.

Sorry Mr Speaker but you dropped the ball when you allowed Reid to table the House passed Cut Cap and Balance bill and capitulated returning to the House in an attempt to draft yet another bill. Sorry sir but you’re done as House Speaker. You need to be replaced by someone with some guts.
At this point the only move for the House is to deliver a little note to old Harry Reid telling him “Senator, we the House have already given you our bill ….. it’s called Cut Cap and Balance ….. deal with it”.
Let the Senate own the shut down along with their poor leader – Obama.

Anthing else just kick’s the can down the road …. again. And we the people lose …. again.

Nor is it necessarily a dirty word. A valid “compromise” simply represents a decision on how to move forward, made by opposing forces, while continuing to agree to disagree. But the essential thing to understand about compromise is that it really resolves nothing; it merely postpones the day of reckoning.

In our present situation the day of reckoning is here. What we conservatives are learning from all this is not so much that Boehner is weak-kneed, but that he is in fact part of the problem because he is as dedicated to the Washington establishment as is Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. We keep saying that this is really about the size and scope of the federal government; I think we all know now where Boehner stands on that one.

As for negotiating strategy and tactics, nothing works if you go in prepared to give up the ghost. But what we see here is Boehner allowing the Dems to make him negotiate against himself. Plan A, Dems say “no” but offer nothing in response, so Boehner comes up with Plan B. Dems say “no” but offer nothing in response, so Boehner comes up with Plan C. Dems will say “no” once again, but offer Plan C minus since now they know Boehner will do everything he can to push the conservatives into line and if he fails, it will be “proof” that those dirty old conservatives just won’t compromise. He will have succeeded in helping the Dems marginalize the Tea Party and he will still have his next tee time with Obama.

This is the only way that this problem can be solved. If they don’t…have the military take over the country and let Obama go back to Kenya

Bi partisan compromise = When the RINOs and Democrats agree to slightly remove their fondling hands from each other’s front pockets so they can reach further with their left to fleece the public.

Ec. columnist John Crudele of the NYPost says it’s all whooey anyway.

We have already passed the $14+ “LIMIT” and already are up $93 billion a day, i.e. the so-called limit was $14.294 trillion and we have already passed it on to $14.343 trillion, and we did that on July 25 and NOTHING HAPPENED. THE SKY DIDN’T FALL AND THE US EC. DID NOT COLLAPSE.

The Treasury is doing this magic by borrowing against fed. pension funds BUT NOT COUNTING THAT BORROWING AS BORROWING.

Meanwhile, FOX says o and Geithner (who should resign) are secretly reassuring banks that no default or horror is about to happen. Wouldn’t you have guessed?