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Interesting Nugget About John Boehner’s Bill

Guess who wrote it?

The late-night jousting in the Senate followed a vote on House Speaker John A. Boehner’s debt-limit measure, which would extend the Treasury’s borrowing power until early next year and force another economy-rattling fistfight within a few months.

Drafted largely by aides to Reid and McConnell last weekend, the measure was originally designed to appeal to the more centrist Senate.

Everything we’ve gone through this week was elaborate theater to get us ultimately to an even worse conclusion. At least 22 Republicans didn’t fall for it.

COMMENTS

  • RealQuiet

    Thank God those conservatives didn’t fall for this.

  • d_lamar

    Did Boehner inform the GOP that the bill was written by Reid and McConnell?

    If he didn’t, how is this going to affect Boehner’s standing within the
    GOP caucus?

    How will the knowledge of who write the bill affect the GOP votes in the house when it comes back from the Senate?

  • forrest

    Perhaps a clue as to why Boehner, McConnell, et al, didn’t make a stand on CCB.

  • ghostship

    Remember a vote against Boehner is supporting Reid.

    That’s what we were all told.

    Anybody want to tell us who opposed Boehner’s bill how that works again?

  • westbrook348

    If Reid wrote the bill, that sucks. The bill is as bad as we all think it is.

    But if Reid didn’t write the bill, & Boehner wrote something that sounds like it MAY have been written by Reid, how is that any better? It’s arguably worse!! If the leader of the House Republicans is capable of writing a bill so terrible that people aren’t sure whether he wrote it or Reid did, we’re in worse shape than I thought.

    But really, how many congressmen could even weigh in on the issue? They don’t have an opinion on who wrote it, because THEY DIDN’T READ IT. It came out of some back room, & they all voted on it w/o reading it! They just “got their a$$e$ in line.” So stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/TJexcite tjexcite

    I would not have been shocked it the Boehner bill was written by the Center for American progress, the Apollo alliance and open society institute. Collectively know as the shadow party. They wrote most of the bills and laws for the 111th congress why would the 112th be any different.

    If the tea party wrote it they would have had 3 more zeros in the cuts and whole government departments being cut.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    We sure could use us a principled, brave speaker of the House

    Oh yeah, she’s actually a fiscal conservative, how bout that

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    This just makes the others who caved absolute chumps.

    And they can line up to make their apologies to the conservative movement they betrayed.

    Boehner pulled the ole whoops we are out gas trick on them and they climbed right into the backseat for him.

  • ntrepid

    Is this whole thing?dare I call it a charade?scripted down to the juvenile insults being conspicuously slung at the House by our pompous Senators? The disdain our ruling class has for us is complete.

    I suspect the final poetic insult will come early next week?probably at the end of some joint bipartisan victory circle jerk for the cameras?when one of these arrogant punks will look back at us through the camera and sign off with ?You better put some ice on that.”

    Yet again, we?ve been played and, by the way, I rest my case. (1)

    Ntrepid
    Proud Redstate Member since April 2006??

    (1) http://www.redstate.com/ntrepid/2011/07/30/that-same-old-contemptible-charade/

  • alreadyexists

    It’s been said before, but it bears repeating again at this late stage of the Kabuki dance. Boehner caved weeks ago and all the recent legislative gyrations and feints have been performed simply to provide cover for RINOs when the sell-out legislation gets passed next week. When the smoke clears, Obama’s credit card limit will be extended, token reductions of a few billion dollars will be incorporated into the 2012 budget, and everything else will be phony promises and misdirection. Our only hope is at the ballot box in 2012. We must identify weak RINOs and nominate credible true conservatives in primary challenges. The only action that will impact political reality in Washington DC is to replace the “insiders” will real, down-to-earth citizen legislators. From the ashes of defeat in this debt limit battle we can emerge stronger and more focused. Do not be fooled by upcoming ultra-conservative show votes that accomplish nothing, but create cover for the RINOs.

  • amigag

    House voting on Sen. Reid Debt Ceiling Proposal. Brought up under suspension rules, needs 2/3 maj to pass.

    All Dems voting yes, R’s no at the moment.

    How can they vote on a S. bill that hasn’t been passed in the Senate yet?

  • lineholder

    Defeated 173/246 with Dem assistance!

    It’s a preemptive vote, amigag, to try to persuade Reid to try another approach

  • brodix

    We have a debt based currency and the system is designed to create debt.
    There is no budgeting process. Budgeting is to set priorities and spend for what is most necessary. Instead the system creates these enormous bills and adds on enough extras to bribe sufficient votes and the president can only pass or veto it in whole.
    If they really wanted to budget, they could break these bills into their various “line items” and have every legislator assign a percentage value to each item. Then put the bill back in order of preference and have the president draw the line at what could be afforded. This would still divide responsibility, with the legislature prioritizing and the president having final authority over total spending.
    There would be limited inclination to overspend, because the few items on the line would have less constituency than those asked to fund them.
    This would blow up our current financial model though, but it is falling apart anyway.
    The reason capitalism has mutated from a theory of efficient allocation of resources to a cancerous production of surplus capital for its own sake, is that we treat money as a commodity, when it is in fact a contract.
    If someone hands you a piece of paper that says; This is redeemable for one ounce of gold, That piece of paper is not a commodity, but a contract.
    Since capital is subject to the law of supply and demand, the banking system understands it can create enormous amounts of supply, if it can only create the demand for it, ie. lending.
    Which is why they are so intent on lending money to anybody and everybody.
    When the modern system of debt based monetary systems developed, three hundred years ago, there were no methods of determining how large a given economy was and thus how much money had to be created in order for the money supply to grow with the economy, so it made sense to base it on people’s willingness to borrow and ability to pay off these loans.
    The problem is that economic growth is necessary to pay off the loans and more loans are always necessary to maintain economic growth. This has powered the various empires and the industrial revolution, but is now running up against the limits of growth.
    There will be a reset and what does this entail? Politics used to be private enterprise. In the entrepreneurial stage it was warlords, which stabilized into feudalism and then gentrified into monarchy. So long as these systems did more to preserve the societies they governed, than predated on them, they survived and still do in some places of the world. Eventually though, they proved to be inefficient and politics evolved into a public system.
    Today it is our financial circulatory system which has become more predatory than functional.
    In order to function, a market needs a medium of exchange, if this economic circulation system is in private hands, then the rest of the market will be taxed by those entities.
    How would a public banking system function? Monarchists used to say mob rule could never work, but democracy functions by pushing power down to the level it can be most efficient and responsive, thus we have various levels of local, state and federal government. A public banking system would have to be similarly diversified and fundamentally bottom up. Local community banks would lend out to the communities which deposited with them and use the proceeds to support those communities that generated this wealth in the first place. These local banks would then develop regional partnerships to support larger projects. Likely it would mean state banks as the centerpoint between local communities and a reduced federal presence.
    As I pointed out earlier, we could develop a system where the federal government actually budgeted, but this would reduce spending on many local needs, from education and retirement to infrastructure, but if we have a locally based banking system which used profits to support these communities and not just send the profits off to New York, in order for it to be lent to Washington, so they could buy the votes of that community’s representative, there would be far less room for waste and corruption.
    Just some ideas to think about, as we spiral into the abyss.

  • Tbone

    they would just start dressing in their ermine trimmed robes and be done with it.

  • lizfstone

    Earlier last week I said ‘it is all theater.’ As soon as I hear ‘compromise’ and ‘bipartisanship’ I know WE THE PEOPLE are screwed.

    Boehner talks the talk, but NEVER walks the walk. Can’t understand why he is so afraid of greatness.

    My 23-yr-old daughter, a year out of college and in her first full-time job, asked me to explain the ‘debt ceiling’ yesterday. I not only explained it to her, but told her to hold on to her seat, because she’s going to be paying for the reckless actions of these child abusers posing as ‘representatives.’ Am proud that she understands elections have consequences.

  • lineholder

    I knew that there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than most of us were privy to. It even crossed my mind that some sort of deal was being made to give Boehner and McConnell cover while cutting Conservatives out of the loop. I just didn’t know what the deal was.

    May God bless the 22 who went with doing the right thing first rather than buying into these tactics.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    JIm DeMint should be the next senate leader and Ryan or Bachmann the next Speaker. I got a letter in the mail from McConnell about the BBA this week asking for an urgent $100 donation. I recycled it. I made some use of it.
    Did Jim DeMint say he was going to retire from the senate? I have had a lot going on in my life so I do not remember. I hope not, we need him.
    Mark Levin said this all week, now it’s proven to be true. He was trashed on NRO’s website and others this week.
    I called my RINO Brown several times this week to tell him that I did not expect him to be a true conservative but to take some lessons from Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint and Rand Paul.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    than sit on his front porch.

    Dunno what advice to give you on Scott “41″ Brown. I guess we have to suffer guys like him on the chance that McConnell will get to be majority leader.

  • Whacker77

    Republicans don’t control the Senate or the White House. This constant carping and moaning might make some feel really great on the inside, but it ignores reality. Republicans don’t run the whole show.

    I wish Republicans could have jammed through across the board spending cuts, but the votes weren’t there. Same for CC&B and the Boehner plan. Live in reality world.

    If we ignore reality and allowed Aug 2 to come and go, one party will get 100% of the blame and it won’t be the Democrats. Republicans will be destroyed and the net result will be the loss of the House, Senate, and White House once again in 2012.

    We’ve moved the debate significantly to the right despite the fact we hold a realtively weak hand. No one’s talking about tax increases, no one! That’s a win and it sets the stage for a great and generational change in 2012.

    If we listen to Rush and do nothing, all the hardwork of 2010 will be lost. 2010 wasn’t about reshaping the government in 2011, it was about setting the stage for a massive win in 2012.

    Just look at how far Obama’s numbers have dropped in the last month. Any deal that does NOT inlude tax increases is a loser for him and keeps his base roiled. The coming deal might make you want to light yourselves on fire, but just remember the prize is Rick Perry in 2012.

  • Bill S

    Heard it before. You’re no more convincing than any of the other surrender monkeys.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Just that the “default” scam is bigger than the TARP scam and conservatives do infinitely more damage to themselves by throwing their principles away. What “conservative” principles cause Republicans to cough up their majorities in 2006?

    And the notion that Republicans had to “do somethin” or “get blamed” is a ruse.

    How do you know what would happen August 2? Do you believe everything Tim Geithner and Ben Bernanke tell you?

  • gekster

    Did someone give you all a cue to start doing this.
    Rush is one of the most, if not thee most conservative voices in America.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You are either naive or lying. Your choice.

  • d_lamar

    It doesn’t matter that the GOP doesn’t control the Senate or presidency. The House must approve all spending, and if they choose to, can defund anything they want.

    The problem is that under the leadership of Boehner, nothing has been defunded, and Obama’s requests for spending increases has been mostly approved.

    Perhaps we need another leader in the House.

  • carolina

    I thought this was obvious.
    Now they are back to negotiating with BO.

  • runner12

    Erick, FreedomWorks, Heritage, Hannity, Rush, etc. were all right.

    How many times do the establishment apologists have to be deceived before they wake-up and realize that establishment Dems and establishment Repubs will conspire with one another to maintain power and spend more of the American taxpayers’ money.

  • Whacker77

    I know this. If we go past the deadline and certain portions of the government close, Republicans will get the blame and lose. That’s the way it will work. Pretending these are different days is just stupid. Rush and the blogs aren’t going to save us just as they failed to save us in 2008 when Obama was elected.

  • ghostship

    Republican: “Hey we’re willing to compromise and meet you halfway.”

    Democrat: “Nope, give me 99% of what I want or the whole deal is off.”

    Republican: That’s crazy! Besides your the ones that really need all this spending to fund your Great Society!”

    Democrat: “Your being completely unreasonable. If your not willing to compromise then we’re done here.”

    Republican: “Fine! How about 60/40?”

    Democrat: “Not good enough. We want 99.5%”

    Republican: “That’s even more! Don’t you understand that you’ll lose it all if we don’t reach a deal.” 70/30 and that’s our final offer.”

    Democrat: “99.9%”

    Republican: “Fine! I don’t see how though you can do this.”

    Democrat: “Because we know you won’t go all the way. In any negotiation, when you know that your opponent doesn’t have the will to go all the way then you can make any demand no matter how unreasonable it is and he will have no choice but to accept it. That is why we can do this and that is why you lose.

    We didn’t have the will to go all the way on the CBR.

    That is why we lost then.

    We didn’t have the will to go all the way on the Debt Ceiling.

    That is why we lost today.

    If we don’t decide that the issues we face are important enough to risk it all and go all the way….

    then that will be why we lose tomorrow.

    IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE.

  • Whacker77

    I think Rush has become detached from how the world works today. He lives secluded in his multi-million dollar compound and doesn’t have to worry about the every day concerns we do.

    Because of his success, he has the luxury to demand purity and to demand all conservatives abide by his version of purity. These last years, Rush has adeptly glommed on to the Tea Party movement, but he’s no more a populist than G H Bush is.

    Once upon a time, he said conservatism was where the real thinking was. He used to promote the smart thinkers. Now, he promotes Sarah Palin, someone who quit half way through her term, as the leading light of conservatism. Please.

    To be honest, I think Rush wants a default and the shutdown that goes with it. He’s not interested in a deal at all. He wants the anger existing right now to lead to a purification of the party in 2012. He knows that will allow Obama to win, but that means he’s the center of attention for another four years and he can howl at the moon some more.

  • Whacker77

    I’m sure you’d be arguing the same position if G W Bush were the president and the Democrats controled the House.

  • ghostship

    Then it doesn’t matter if you have just the House or just the Senate. Wining negotiations come often come down to a test of nerves. He who blinks first loses.

    Our nation is down to a handful of big blinds. If we don’t push all in with even a semi-decent hand then it’s all over. Playing it safe and tight if good with a huge chip stack but when your the small stack there’s no choice but to take some risks.

  • gekster

    don’t listen to what the libs say about him.
    You are repeating the leftist talking points about him.
    You seam to have them nailed down.
    Anything said to you further would be a waste of bandwidth.

  • gekster

    you will have to point out to me where Rush said “do nothing” on the debt ceiling.

    I’ll wait while you find it.

  • Adjoran

    Or is it only unfallible when it fits the meme?

    It would hardly be surprising that those aides could pull it together, though, since the Boehner 1.2 bill is essentially the Boehner-Reid temporary compromise measure they took to Obama almost two weeks ago, but he rejected for lack of tax hikes and covering his reelection campaign. So they certainly had the framework right there to draw upon.

    So even if the unsourced claim in WaPo is true, it’s not some big scandalous deal, except to the paranoid.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Yes he has integrated the Tea Party movement into his on-air personna but in real life he adores Karl Rove and has supposedly played golf with Boehner in addition to having a buddy chat with him last week. On 7/28/11, he states his “steadfast opposition” to a third party. “Irate Callers Say Your Host Doesn’t Criticize the Republicans Enough!” which I heard in real life. “And the real anger at me is that I have steadfastly opposed the third party.”…
    Caller Dan from Minneapolis was rightly upset with Limbaugh because his membership in the Country Club comes first when it matters most. I’m sorry to say it because I’ve been a regular listener since 1989, but he’s not helping at this point.

  • Green_Lantern

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

  • Raven

    What happened?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    It is not really news that the Boehner bill was a compromise bill. Speaker Boehner himself said as much, before he put the bill together he said that was what he was attempting, and on Friday. That Senator Reid participated in discussions with Reid and McConnell is not news. Recall that a week ago, Boehner had some discussions with President Obama, then on Friday said that it was not productive (President Obama kept insisting on tax increases), and decided to talk to Reid to come up with a compromise.

    Here is Rep Labrador, today, July 31, one week later:

    “Harry Reid denied all week that the original Boehner plan was agreed to last weekend. Now we see that the only difference between Reid and Boehner is the trigger. We now know that John Boehner has been telling the truth all week. If Harry Reid had just let Democrats vote for the plan they negotiated, we could have ended this last Monday.”

    The REAL story here is that the Democrat PLAN ALL ALONG was to string the Republicans and push them into the old trick of ‘let them make an offer’ and wait until the last minute to spring a ‘compromise’ that is nothing more the Democrat’s best position. The REAL STORY is this: THE DELAY TO THE LAST-MINUTE WAS A DELIBERATE DEMOCRAT NEGOTIATING PLOY.

    Erickson and the ‘hobbit’ conservatives are right in both the flaws of the Boehner compromise bill and the way it was cooked up. Their actions in the end actually bolstered GOP / Boehner’s hand, by forcing a rewrite and strenthening of the Boehner bill and up-ending the Reid ploy. Reid killed the Boehner new bill, the House killed the Reid bill, and we came full circle to where we were a week ago.

    Criticism of Speaker Boehner for his compromise bill points us in the wrong direction in terms of where the GOP might get rolled in the endgame. The question is NOT ‘how strong is Boehner and McConnell’ the key question is: HOW WEAK OR STRONG ARE THE WEAKEST GOP LINKS – 7 GOP members of the Senate and 25 or so weakest GOP House members? That is the critical issue, and the “hold the line” rallying cry needs to contemplate the question: What line will THEY hold?