Thank God those conservatives didn’t fall for this.

Did Boehner inform the GOP that the bill was written by Reid and McConnell?

If he didn’t, how is this going to affect Boehner’s standing within the
GOP caucus?

How will the knowledge of who write the bill affect the GOP votes in the house when it comes back from the Senate?

Perhaps a clue as to why Boehner, McConnell, et al, didn’t make a stand on CCB.

Remember a vote against Boehner is supporting Reid.

That’s what we were all told.

Anybody want to tell us who opposed Boehner’s bill how that works again?

If Reid wrote the bill, that sucks. The bill is as bad as we all think it is.

But if Reid didn’t write the bill, & Boehner wrote something that sounds like it MAY have been written by Reid, how is that any better? It’s arguably worse!! If the leader of the House Republicans is capable of writing a bill so terrible that people aren’t sure whether he wrote it or Reid did, we’re in worse shape than I thought.

But really, how many congressmen could even weigh in on the issue? They don’t have an opinion on who wrote it, because THEY DIDN’T READ IT. It came out of some back room, & they all voted on it w/o reading it! They just “got their a$$e$ in line.” So stupid.

I would not have been shocked it the Boehner bill was written by the Center for American progress, the Apollo alliance and open society institute. Collectively know as the shadow party. They wrote most of the bills and laws for the 111th congress why would the 112th be any different.

If the tea party wrote it they would have had 3 more zeros in the cuts and whole government departments being cut.

We sure could use us a principled, brave speaker of the House

Oh yeah, she’s actually a fiscal conservative, how bout that

This just makes the others who caved absolute chumps.

And they can line up to make their apologies to the conservative movement they betrayed.

Boehner pulled the ole whoops we are out gas trick on them and they climbed right into the backseat for him.

Is this whole thing…dare I call it a charade…scripted down to the juvenile insults being conspicuously slung at the House by our pompous Senators? The disdain our ruling class has for us is complete.

I suspect the final poetic insult will come early next week…probably at the end of some joint bipartisan victory circle jerk for the cameras…when one of these arrogant punks will look back at us through the camera and sign off with “You better put some ice on that.”

Yet again, we’ve been played and, by the way, I rest my case. (1)

Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?

(1) http://www.redstate.com/ntrepid/2011/07/30/that-same-old-contemptible-charade/

It’s been said before, but it bears repeating again at this late stage of the Kabuki dance. Boehner caved weeks ago and all the recent legislative gyrations and feints have been performed simply to provide cover for RINOs when the sell-out legislation gets passed next week. When the smoke clears, Obama’s credit card limit will be extended, token reductions of a few billion dollars will be incorporated into the 2012 budget, and everything else will be phony promises and misdirection. Our only hope is at the ballot box in 2012. We must identify weak RINOs and nominate credible true conservatives in primary challenges. The only action that will impact political reality in Washington DC is to replace the “insiders” will real, down-to-earth citizen legislators. From the ashes of defeat in this debt limit battle we can emerge stronger and more focused. Do not be fooled by upcoming ultra-conservative show votes that accomplish nothing, but create cover for the RINOs.

House voting on Sen. Reid Debt Ceiling Proposal. Brought up under suspension rules, needs 2/3 maj to pass.

All Dems voting yes, R’s no at the moment.

How can they vote on a S. bill that hasn’t been passed in the Senate yet?

We have a debt based currency and the system is designed to create debt.
There is no budgeting process. Budgeting is to set priorities and spend for what is most necessary. Instead the system creates these enormous bills and adds on enough extras to bribe sufficient votes and the president can only pass or veto it in whole.
If they really wanted to budget, they could break these bills into their various “line items” and have every legislator assign a percentage value to each item. Then put the bill back in order of preference and have the president draw the line at what could be afforded. This would still divide responsibility, with the legislature prioritizing and the president having final authority over total spending.
There would be limited inclination to overspend, because the few items on the line would have less constituency than those asked to fund them.
This would blow up our current financial model though, but it is falling apart anyway.
The reason capitalism has mutated from a theory of efficient allocation of resources to a cancerous production of surplus capital for its own sake, is that we treat money as a commodity, when it is in fact a contract.
If someone hands you a piece of paper that says; This is redeemable for one ounce of gold, That piece of paper is not a commodity, but a contract.
Since capital is subject to the law of supply and demand, the banking system understands it can create enormous amounts of supply, if it can only create the demand for it, ie. lending.
Which is why they are so intent on lending money to anybody and everybody.
When the modern system of debt based monetary systems developed, three hundred years ago, there were no methods of determining how large a given economy was and thus how much money had to be created in order for the money supply to grow with the economy, so it made sense to base it on people’s willingness to borrow and ability to pay off these loans.
The problem is that economic growth is necessary to pay off the loans and more loans are always necessary to maintain economic growth. This has powered the various empires and the industrial revolution, but is now running up against the limits of growth.
There will be a reset and what does this entail? Politics used to be private enterprise. In the entrepreneurial stage it was warlords, which stabilized into feudalism and then gentrified into monarchy. So long as these systems did more to preserve the societies they governed, than predated on them, they survived and still do in some places of the world. Eventually though, they proved to be inefficient and politics evolved into a public system.
Today it is our financial circulatory system which has become more predatory than functional.
In order to function, a market needs a medium of exchange, if this economic circulation system is in private hands, then the rest of the market will be taxed by those entities.
How would a public banking system function? Monarchists used to say mob rule could never work, but democracy functions by pushing power down to the level it can be most efficient and responsive, thus we have various levels of local, state and federal government. A public banking system would have to be similarly diversified and fundamentally bottom up. Local community banks would lend out to the communities which deposited with them and use the proceeds to support those communities that generated this wealth in the first place. These local banks would then develop regional partnerships to support larger projects. Likely it would mean state banks as the centerpoint between local communities and a reduced federal presence.
As I pointed out earlier, we could develop a system where the federal government actually budgeted, but this would reduce spending on many local needs, from education and retirement to infrastructure, but if we have a locally based banking system which used profits to support these communities and not just send the profits off to New York, in order for it to be lent to Washington, so they could buy the votes of that community’s representative, there would be far less room for waste and corruption.
Just some ideas to think about, as we spiral into the abyss.

they would just start dressing in their ermine trimmed robes and be done with it.

Earlier last week I said ‘it is all theater.’ As soon as I hear ‘compromise’ and ‘bipartisanship’ I know WE THE PEOPLE are screwed.

Boehner talks the talk, but NEVER walks the walk. Can’t understand why he is so afraid of greatness.

My 23-yr-old daughter, a year out of college and in her first full-time job, asked me to explain the ‘debt ceiling’ yesterday. I not only explained it to her, but told her to hold on to her seat, because she’s going to be paying for the reckless actions of these child abusers posing as ‘representatives.’ Am proud that she understands elections have consequences.

I knew that there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than most of us were privy to. It even crossed my mind that some sort of deal was being made to give Boehner and McConnell cover while cutting Conservatives out of the loop. I just didn’t know what the deal was.

May God bless the 22 who went with doing the right thing first rather than buying into these tactics.

JIm DeMint should be the next senate leader and Ryan or Bachmann the next Speaker. I got a letter in the mail from McConnell about the BBA this week asking for an urgent $100 donation. I recycled it. I made some use of it.
Did Jim DeMint say he was going to retire from the senate? I have had a lot going on in my life so I do not remember. I hope not, we need him.
Mark Levin said this all week, now it’s proven to be true. He was trashed on NRO’s website and others this week.
I called my RINO Brown several times this week to tell him that I did not expect him to be a true conservative but to take some lessons from Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint and Rand Paul.

than sit on his front porch.

Dunno what advice to give you on Scott “41″ Brown. I guess we have to suffer guys like him on the chance that McConnell will get to be majority leader.

Republicans don’t control the Senate or the White House. This constant carping and moaning might make some feel really great on the inside, but it ignores reality. Republicans don’t run the whole show.

I wish Republicans could have jammed through across the board spending cuts, but the votes weren’t there. Same for CC&B and the Boehner plan. Live in reality world.

If we ignore reality and allowed Aug 2 to come and go, one party will get 100% of the blame and it won’t be the Democrats. Republicans will be destroyed and the net result will be the loss of the House, Senate, and White House once again in 2012.

We’ve moved the debate significantly to the right despite the fact we hold a realtively weak hand. No one’s talking about tax increases, no one! That’s a win and it sets the stage for a great and generational change in 2012.

If we listen to Rush and do nothing, all the hardwork of 2010 will be lost. 2010 wasn’t about reshaping the government in 2011, it was about setting the stage for a massive win in 2012.

Just look at how far Obama’s numbers have dropped in the last month. Any deal that does NOT inlude tax increases is a loser for him and keeps his base roiled. The coming deal might make you want to light yourselves on fire, but just remember the prize is Rick Perry in 2012.

I thought this was obvious.
Now they are back to negotiating with BO.

Erick, FreedomWorks, Heritage, Hannity, Rush, etc. were all right.

How many times do the establishment apologists have to be deceived before they wake-up and realize that establishment Dems and establishment Repubs will conspire with one another to maintain power and spend more of the American taxpayers’ money.

Or is it only unfallible when it fits the meme?

It would hardly be surprising that those aides could pull it together, though, since the Boehner 1.2 bill is essentially the Boehner-Reid temporary compromise measure they took to Obama almost two weeks ago, but he rejected for lack of tax hikes and covering his reelection campaign. So they certainly had the framework right there to draw upon.

So even if the unsourced claim in WaPo is true, it’s not some big scandalous deal, except to the paranoid.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

What happened?

It is not really news that the Boehner bill was a compromise bill. Speaker Boehner himself said as much, before he put the bill together he said that was what he was attempting, and on Friday. That Senator Reid participated in discussions with Reid and McConnell is not news. Recall that a week ago, Boehner had some discussions with President Obama, then on Friday said that it was not productive (President Obama kept insisting on tax increases), and decided to talk to Reid to come up with a compromise.

Here is Rep Labrador, today, July 31, one week later:

“Harry Reid denied all week that the original Boehner plan was agreed to last weekend. Now we see that the only difference between Reid and Boehner is the trigger. We now know that John Boehner has been telling the truth all week. If Harry Reid had just let Democrats vote for the plan they negotiated, we could have ended this last Monday.”

The REAL story here is that the Democrat PLAN ALL ALONG was to string the Republicans and push them into the old trick of ‘let them make an offer’ and wait until the last minute to spring a ‘compromise’ that is nothing more the Democrat’s best position. The REAL STORY is this: THE DELAY TO THE LAST-MINUTE WAS A DELIBERATE DEMOCRAT NEGOTIATING PLOY.

Erickson and the ‘hobbit’ conservatives are right in both the flaws of the Boehner compromise bill and the way it was cooked up. Their actions in the end actually bolstered GOP / Boehner’s hand, by forcing a rewrite and strenthening of the Boehner bill and up-ending the Reid ploy. Reid killed the Boehner new bill, the House killed the Reid bill, and we came full circle to where we were a week ago.

Criticism of Speaker Boehner for his compromise bill points us in the wrong direction in terms of where the GOP might get rolled in the endgame. The question is NOT ‘how strong is Boehner and McConnell’ the key question is: HOW WEAK OR STRONG ARE THE WEAKEST GOP LINKS – 7 GOP members of the Senate and 25 or so weakest GOP House members? That is the critical issue, and the “hold the line” rallying cry needs to contemplate the question: What line will THEY hold?