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Only the Tea Party Had a $4 Trillion Plan

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Here was the question to S&P exec John Chambers, and his reply:

Q: “There’s been a figure of $4 trillion dollars circulating as an example of the scope of  fiscal consolidation measures that could work to stabilize the U.S. debt-gdp ratios. Could you explain how that figure was arrived at since it was mentioned in S&P’s reports and where it figures in S&P analysis?”

A: “First of all, that figure comes initially from the Bowles-Simpson fiscal commission, and it was embraced by President Obama  in his April 13 speech and Paul Ryan in his counter-budget proposal. And so you had policy makers converging around the amount. Now actually the $4 trillion, depending on whether it is front-loaded or back-loaded, is not going to do the trick in terms of stabilizing U.S. government debt-to GDP ratios. But it takes you pretty far along. And I think a grand bargain of that nature would signal, you know, the seriousness of policy makers to address the fiscal issues of the United States, to actually stabilize the debt-to-GDP. The IMF says it takes  7.5% of GDP consolidation. I think we have more than that.”

The U.S. annual budget deficit is now around 9% of GDP.

Chambers adds: “But $4 trillion would be a good down payment. We thought that..if policy makers could deliver the goods on that, then that would be a strong sign on our political scores and eventually on our projections on the fiscal side.”

S&P has already said it may slash the Triple-A rating if a debt ceiling deal is not accompanied by what it deems is a credible plan to cut the $14.3 trillion federal [debt] by $4 trillion. The plan has “to have bipartisan support,” Chambers said. “If you have a plan that is only backed by one side or the other, even if you got it through, you would be faced with the prospect of it being unwound.”

So, S&P’s Chambers is saying the ratings agency wants to see at least a $4 trillion deal, one that would come with bipartisan support, too, because the ratings agency fears without that support, Congress will upend any debt-cutting plan.

There was only ever one plan that did what S&P said was required — $4 trillion in cuts with bipartisan support. That’d be Cut, Cap, and Balance — a plan that cut $4 trillion and got bipartisan support in the House of Representatives.

As Democrats tonight, and some Republicans, lash out and blame the Tea Party for causing the United States to lose its credit rating, it is worth pointing out that only the Tea Party offered up a plan to avoid what happened.

This is precisely why the GOP should have held the line.

COMMENTS

  • jayp

    The Republicans got the best deal possible…

  • carolina

    “S&P has already said it may slash the Triple-A rating if a debt ceiling deal is not accompanied by what it deems is a credible plan to cut the $14.3 trillion federal deficit by $4 trillion”
    (copied from above)
    These S&P guys don’t know the difference between the debt and the deficit? The DEBT of $14.3 trilllion was never going to be cut. It was going to grow at a slower pace by reducing the annual deficits (by $4 tril) over 10 years. No wonder the public stays confused.

  • carolina

    “S&P has already said it may slash the Triple-A rating if a debt ceiling deal is not accompanied by what it deems is a credible plan to cut the $14.3 trillion federal deficit by $4 trillion”
    (copied from above)
    These S&P guys don’t know the difference between the debt and the deficit? The DEBT of $14.3 trilllion was never going to be cut. It was going to grow at a slower pace by reducing the annual deficits (by $4 tril) over 10 years. No wonder the public stays confused.

  • jaykali

    Ha, now you have some leverage..Dude what in the world is Obama going to do?

  • jaykali

    Japanese Tsunami…ummm Arab Spring!!?…uhhh European uncertainty!?!?! AHHHHHH

  • californiagold

    Ever since the debt deal was passed, I’ve been saying something doesn’t add up.

    Republicans repeated the mantra that there were no tax increases included in the deal, while democrats stated the deal included the expiration of the Bush tax cuts as part of the math.

    My question to anyone who cared to answer is why did Boehner automatically assume the Bush tax cuts would expire ? Obama has already extended the tax cuts once, and in 2013 there might be a new republican president anyway.

    Using the Bush tax cuts as included revenue in the debt deal was fuzzy math at best. Apparently S&P agrees.

  • californiagold

    Ever since the debt deal was passed, I’ve been saying something doesn’t add up.

    Republicans repeated the mantra that there were no tax increases included in the deal, while democrats stated the deal included the expiration of the Bush tax cuts as part of the math.

    My question to anyone who cared to answer is why did Boehner automatically assume the Bush tax cuts would expire ? Obama has already extended the tax cuts once, and in 2013 there might be a new republican president anyway.

    Using the expiration Bush tax cuts as included revenue in the debt deal was fuzzy math at best. Apparently S&P agrees.

  • runner12

    when it was they themselves that blocked the deal that would have prevented a downgrade (CCB).. It seems they are also blaming us for the drop in in the stock market.

    Ridiculous.

    The economy, the stock market tank, all of it is due to Obama and his neo-socialist policies. The only thing Obama and the Dems know how to do is spend other people’s money and blame the Republicans for everything under the sun, including the messes the Dems made themselves.

  • Mr_Ed

    …that revenue increases (tax increases) need to be part of the future deficit reductions. It’s disappointing there appears to be no acknowledging the positive economic impact to extending the Bush tax cuts.

  • drfredc

    Come on folks — time for a reality check. The debt ceiling issue was barely more than a 1st down gain of a couple yards. CutCap and Balance was sent deep, but the RINO pass protection broke down, and the QB had to scramble around for a while to grab a short gain.

    It’s a long game — it’s 2nd and long. Strap on your chin strap and get back into the huddle. There’s lots more work to do to get this ‘game’ under control. The goal is achievable, it’s more than laudable — it’s necessary for our future. How to get there hasn’t been written, other than it’s not going to happen in one play, nor is it likely to succeed with one simple repeated strategy pounded over and over. Most likely it will require a concerted and loud effort on multiple fronts to properly frame the debate to all the various factions that are willing to listen and think about what they are being told and to convince them to get involved…

  • smitch61

    I quit…. We might as well just go ahead and raise our own debt ceiling. I am going out tomorrow to purchase about 25K in home improvement supplies and perhaps a brand new set of living room furniture. I mean seriously…. this is some crazy stuff.

    Fight for the grandkids!!!

  • dajeeps

    More taxpayers = more revenue.

    So one could take it as implying a demand for tax increases or improving economic conditions so there are more tax payers at the same rates. I don’t think S&P is interested in which way that goes, as long as more money is coming in to lessen default risk over time.

  • Adjoran

    which would not have been sufficient. The Ryan budget would have been, though, with $5.5 trillion + in cuts over the ten year window.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    They’re not being objective. They have an agenda of pushing tax hikes.

    That’s the only reason to do it *now*, after two years of Obama spending. That’s the only reason to do it *now*, after the debt ceiling hike was already achieved.

  • dajeeps

    I think part of the problem here is a focus on spending/debt levels as if they have meaning in and of themselves, and I beg to differ. Part of the reason for the downgrade is not just debt and where the numbers end up being crunched. It encompasses much more of the political economic picture given that we appear to have an unstable, incoherent, and economically destructive public policy apparatus. It is, to put it politely, central planning gone wild and has no purpose other than to serve the immediate wants of radicals and cannot provide the kind of financial stability we once had when abused. It is not deserving of a AAA rating because of all the economic implications that come with with gangster government.

    None of the policy choices that accompanied the debt ceiling debate addressed that, or even put out the possibility that the power Obama and his thugs wield would be abridged. And it isn’t just Obama either. It is the possibility of another Obama; the potential for abuse of power that goes unchecked that is a big problem to safety and security of capital. Capital is what makes us grow and if we can’t get that because of this fundamental transformation into Zimbabwe, we are up a creek and won’t be able to pay any of the bills in very short order.

    I think it’s sad that CCB has been and still is being quite oversold as the holy grail, as if we could just pass this and our problems disappear. It isn’t that, and not even close.

  • bs61

    that the how we get there didn’t matter to them. And that they said they are not going to delve into politics, just numbers. But I can’t remember where!

  • bs61

    So forget my post below, now it makes sense!

  • Joliphant

    Erick has the right of it (No pun intended), The democrats have always been the party of deficit spending, let them try to lay this at others doors they will only make themselves look like weasels in the attempt.

    For those of us that believe in a smaller government now is the time to press the message and its a simple message, “Live within your means”. Everyone gets it, When you toss in the extravagant programs that have been little more than theft, people not only get it, they get up on their hind legs about it

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    RSG03 is going to be (let me date myself) “off the hook”. So in deference to Sen. Jim DeMint’s inspired Senate Conservative’s Fund (senateconservatives.com), is there a now and if so where is the House version?

  • buddha1556

    The quotes from the Treasury argue against that theory I think. The Treasury is offering lame quotes disputing the estimates that S&P used, claiming they are off by a ‘meager’ $2T

    Now you may be right, but I tend to think the Treasury is more likely to be picking a political side than S&P. I think a better argument would be that S&P did it out of bitterness, as opposed to politics.

    S&P took its lumps during the CDS/CDO fiasco, as well they should have, but I think they took it personally when Frank and company came after them while getting the new financial regulations passed.

  • dhoerster

    Unless you consider 5 Dems defecting bi-partisan support. By that logic, even if 1 Dem defected, it would have had bi-partisan support. From The Hill:

    “The so-called ?cut, cap and balance? measure passed on a party-line vote, 234-190, as nine Republicans ? including presidential candidates Michele Bachmann (Minn.) and Ron Paul (Texas) ? and five Democrats defected.”

    CCB wouldn’t have passed in the Senate unless it was seriously ammended. Obama wouldn’t have signed CCB if the Senate decided to sign it. As much as I like CCB, it would not have passed as it was passed by the House.

    Once we win the Senate in 2012 and the presidency, then we can pass CCB. If we had won the Senate in 2010, we may have had a better chance since we would have had so-called leadership; but we didn’t and we don’t.

  • dhoerster

    …you could say it had bi-partisan opposition (which included Bachmann).

  • Aaron Gardner

    You will just fold at the slightest pressure whether it is today or 2012.

    Any credibility you may have had was wasted on the “best we could get”.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Noted.

    Well, get out of the way then. Some of us want to try to do right by the nation instead of twiddling our thumbs.

  • dhoerster

    I’m trying to be realistic. I don’t think there was a realistic way for CCB as passed by the House to become law.

    I’m all for doing the right thing, and you have no basis to imply that I’m sitting by twiddling my thumbs.

    But until we have control of the House, Senate and White House, CCB won’t be a reality. That’s all I’m saying.

    Honestly, what would happen if CCB was the only item passed by the House? There would either have been a lot of thumb twiddling while both sides stared each down, or the Senate would have amended it and forced the House to vote on it again – daring them to vote against it. The media is so anti-Tea Party, that no matter what they did, they would have gotten the blame for it.

  • dhoerster

    Wow – apparently you have thin skin or something.

  • dhoerster

    …I doubt I had any since I don’t follow in lock-step here.

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt

  • dhoerster

    …if the shoe fits….oh wait, hobbits don’t wear shoes. :)

    I thought the hobbit bit was a ton of crap; the terrorist line from the Dems – now that’s civility in action.

    I’m not sure when having an honest and open debate about issues made you a terrorist. I’m shocked that there wasn’t more outrage from the MSM about it. Ha!

    My favorite line, though, is from Mike Doyle (D-Pittsburgh) where he said that the Tea Party was making it impossible to spend any money. Damn straight!

  • bigredone

    If we wait for all that to happen, what’s the use, and what will we wait to happen next to actually do something?

    We can get the job done now. Obama will agree to anything right now to save his chances at re-election. Reid has zero credibility after the FAA fold. Now is the time to push and push hard to get we need.

    Balanced Budget Amendment passed to the States or nothing moves.

    Cuts of 10% across the board right now, or nothing moves.

    Caps on spending at 20% of GDP right now, or nothing moves.

    Now is the time to be bold.

  • Bill S

    .

  • dilligas

    That 1 vote bar was set by the democrats… when they paraded out that bi-partisan support passed Obamacare….

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    NT

  • izoneguy

    Tea party congressman flips Biden?s ?terrorist? label back on Democrats

    Rep. Jeff Landry, Louisiana Republican, told The Daily Caller that Vice President Joe Biden should think twice before labeling him and other tea partiers ?terrorists? or ?hostage-takers.?

    He hints that he thinks Biden, President Barack Obama and other Democrats might be more deserving of the label themselves.

    ?Let?s think about it: In my lifetime, I have created jobs and I have paid taxes in the private sector and I have helped move our economy forward,? Landry remarked.

    ?What have they done? You?ve still got above 9 percent unemployment, we?re running record deficits and on Tuesday the president signed the largest increase of United States debt in history,? he continued. ?Now, you tell me who?s terrorizing the country??

  • geah

    for polite speech I thought we were all welcome, I won’t bother anymore because I agree with bigredone, goodby

  • gunslingr45

    LOL

  • travis690

    The first thing you need to do is see the problem.

    Just because you WANT to raise income, doesn’t mean it will happen. Every revenue projection that anyone in Washington comes up with is always too optimistic. You cannot automatically cause revenue increases to happen. But you can cause spending to be reduced. THIS is where the discussion needs to start.

    After you members of the DC political class are able to reduce spending (actual dollars, not imaginary baseline dollars), then you start selling assets…like the buildings occupied by the useless alphabet-soup agencies that you just eliminated. Then you will find that you are able to balance your books for the year!

  • rcastonjr

    Once CCB was passed by the House, Boehner should have then coupled it to a rise in the debt ceiling and sent it to the Senate with the statement that THIS is our FINAL OFFER. Then calmly walked away. Period. He should have stayed away and waited. If the dems and Obama raised cain, so be it. As Eric said, hold the line on CCB. Either it passes the Senate and the President signs it or there would be no raising the debt ceiling. Then the blame could be laid squarely at the dems and the President’s feet if the deadline wasn’t met.

  • Old lady

    The only people at the negotiating table were republicans who were negotiating with their selves and still lost the debate. They are lousy at it and should never do it again

  • jaykali

    I guess that should be predictable. The boogeymen Tea Partiers who’s main agenda is cutting spending is somehow responsible for a downgrade. That makes sense! Anywho this is one of those things the WH + MSM cannot spin, bc normal ppl understand the downgrade is a result of too much govt.

  • sccrenny

    the solution to the problem in your post. Did you have a better set of handcuffs to the “economically destructive public policy apparatus” than a cap of percentage of GDP the government can spend and a Constitutional amendment to balance the budget? Sure the Cut part could have been higher, but which of the other solutions would you have preferred or what is your proposed solution?

  • sccrenny

    can count the “ME” sisters as bipartisan support why can’t we count 5 Democrats as such? The fact that 80% of the government opposes an idea is no reason not to push the idea. Ideas matter.

    “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.”- Samuel Adams

    As I searched that quote I found another from Sam Adams that should be trotted out by Republicans at every apt opportunity- “How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!”

    I particularly like the “tools” part.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    -nt-