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Let’s Use Teenage Girls As Lab Rats For a Monopoly

A lot has been written recently about Rick Perry’s decision to require girls to get the HPV vaccine. He now says he made a mistake and should have made it opt in, instead of opt out. It is worth nothing that, contrary to a lot of reports, there was an opt-out provision.

Nonetheless, while everyone is writing about it right now, I wrote about it back in 2007 when the fight was actually happening. You can read it here but since the site is loading slowly, I’ve reposted below the fold.

I stand by my post made at the time. I’d also note that by the time I wrote the post in July of 2007, the issue was already moot in Texas. Perry had backed down under legislative pressure well before then. Hat tip to WILLisms for reminding me of that fact in the comments.

By the way, you know what’s funny about this? About three weeks ago I was on Anderson Cooper’s show and said that this very issue would be one of the most significant stumbling blocks Rick Perry would face early on. The lady I was on with, I think from Center for American Progress, laughed and was surprised I thought it was a big deal.

In other words, this issue only really resonates on the right.

Let’s Use Teenage Girls As Lab Rats For a Monopoly
It is the 100th anniversary of eugenics after all

Originally posted July 7, 2007

This has been discussed a bit here, but today the Wall Street Journal is running this article (subscription required) on states requiring girls to get the HPV vaccine. What I didn’t know was that the effort at the state level corresponds to Merck Pharmaceutical’s lobbying efforts. Merck has a monopoly on the vaccine and the vaccine is more expensive than vaccines like the MMR shot.

From the article:

Bills being drafted in some 20 U.S. states that would make a cervical-cancer vaccine mandatory for preteen girls are sparking a backlash among parents and consumer advocates.

The bills coincide with an aggressive lobbying campaign by Merck & Co., the maker of the only such vaccine on the market. Called Gardasil, the three-shot regimen provides protection against the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted virus that is responsible for the majority of cases of cervical cancer.

If the state bills become law, they would guarantee the Whitehouse Station, N.J., drug maker billions of dollars in annual revenue from the vaccine.

I’m not one of those unabomber types that lives in the woods and refuses to comply with mandatory vaccination laws for my children. But, let’s be clear here — this vaccine is not needed to stop a readily communicable disease like chicken pox or measles or mumps, etc. The disease in question, HPV, is spread by sexual conduct. It sometimes causes cervical cancer. And the vaccine does not even prevent all strains of HPV. Again from the article:

Merck says cervical cancer is the second-leading cancer among women around the world, but the disease’s prevalence is actually low in the U.S. The American Cancer Society estimates that 11,150 women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer and 3,670 will die from it in the U.S. this year. That’s equivalent to 0.77% of cancers diagnosed in the U.S. and 0.65% of U.S. cancer deaths each year. By comparison, the society estimates that 178,480 American women will get diagnosed with breast cancer in 2007 and 40,460 will die from it.

I think a responsible parent might want to get the vaccine for their daughter. But I don’t think it is sound public policy to be forcing the profit stream of a pharmaceutical company onto an unwilling public when the company has a monopoly on the drug and seems clearly to be behind the efforts to get these laws passed.

Lastly, the drug just came out. Do we really want to forcibly treat school girls as guinea pigs for Merck when the majority of them probably will never even need the vaccine or get the disease the vaccine hopes to prevent? And Merck does not even know if booster shots will be needed later in life. The drug is that new. In fact, it hasn’t even been fully tested on children and doesn’t wipe out all strains of HPV, and the risk of pelvic disease has doubled in those who have had the vaccine. Oh, and boys aren’t getting the vaccine despite the fact that they also can contract the virus.

This gives me the creeps. With the 100th anniversary of eugenics being remembered in the country, it just gives me the creeps that we might be forcing teenagers to serve as guinea pigs for a new drug held monopolistically by Merck that probably is not needed for most of them — but we’re doing it for the children.

Sure, it sounds good. It sounds like an excellent idea. But the lobbying by Merck behind the proposal and the fact that the drug is so new and prevents a virus that is not nearly as communicably infectious as standard mandatory vaccines gives me pause. No doubt we might all decide that this is sound public policy. But why rush into with the lobbyists pushing for it when we can, right now, educate parents and let them decide.

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COMMENTS

  • http://www.WILLisms.com WILLisms

    By July of 2007, this was already a dead issue in Texas. The initial executive order was in February of 2007, and it was overturned well before the end of the legislative session (which ends in May/June, typically). It never took effect, because it was overturned before it could take effect.

    So when Erick wrote this 2007 piece, Perry had already backed off of the vaccine mandate. It was already a moot point in Texas, although many other states were looking at it, at the time.

  • regent2009

    Personally, I wouldn’t have my daughter get this shot. Kids already have an inflated sense of invincibility and the last thing I would want to do is encourage promiscuity. especially when there is another option that is 100% effective and needs no testing, abstinence only. But i certainly think that parents should have the option.

    But I do have a big problem with opt-out instead of opt-in. It sends a signal that the normal and responsible thing to do is to get the vaccine while only us Christian crazies would ever choose not to. The government shouldn’t get involved with this at all. As Erick said, most kids don’t get these diseases even if they are not vaccinated.

  • DerKrieger

    I know many conservatives care about this, most notably Michelle Malkin, but even as the father of two young girls I just don’t care about it. I much prefer to discuss and for conservatives to spend time discussing is Perry’s record on jobs, small government, support for federalism, and his guts to take on the hyper-bureaucracy that is the real threat to our liberties. But I suppose instead we’ll spend the next six months tearing apart our own and doing the job of the MS
    and the Democrats for them. NO CANDIDATE IS OR EVER WILL BE PERFECT and the search for one is like the search for the Holy Grail.

  • izoneguy
  • regent2009

    I don’t get this concern about tearing down our own. In my opinion, we don’t do this enough. Perhaps more serious debate would have saved us from a RINO nominee in 2008.

    The weaknesses of each candidate are going to come out, the liberal elite media will make sure of this. I say we get them out of the way early so that these attacks become stale by the general election. Hillary and Hussein Obama tore each other apart for 6 months and it didn’t hurt them, tragically, in the general election.

  • msctex

    Could Perry’s people actually be forcing this issue into the light now, early on, so it cannot be used as a desperate October surprise by the Democrats next year? Maybe the reason this issue is only “resonat[ing] on the Right” as Erick says, is because the Dems really don’t want to talk about it. Yet.

    It would be remarkable if Perry’s closet is so relatively skeleton-free that this strategy could be made to work. If everything possible is addressed now, what are they going to do a year from now when they are desperate for something to glom on to?

  • goldwaterlives

    He vetoed the Trans-texas corridor when the legislature was awoken by the overwhelming citizen outrage and he backed off the vaccine mandate when there was a pushback. He sorta reminds me of Bill Clinton in that he deflects controversy well. Slick Willie and Slick Rick….two peas in a pod I guess.

  • acat

    Fixed it for ya.

    While it’s accurate to make a charge that’s true for an entire class against an individual member, it’s equally true for Bachmann, Romney, and Paul.

    Mew

  • goldwaterlives

    Case in point, this lunatic progressive Cohen who has been on the record demonizing the Tea Party but now suddenly Perry is acceptable? Huh?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/08/15/2011-08-15_rick_perry_our_next_president_texas_governor_is_a_real_contender.html

  • BA Cyclone

    Thanks for the re-post, as this was well before I found your wonderful site.

    It might have been a “dead issue” in Texas by July, but that was only because the legislature (thankfully) called Perry on it and torpedoed it.

    It was right and necessary for Perry to apologize and ask for clemency on this in the current debate. As I posted about in June, for Perry to “go national” this would remain an issue for him outside Texas for people who learned about it and questioned his judgement vis-a-vis parental rights.

    Most of the best lessons are those learned by fire. While my preference would have been that Perry known in advance that this kind of mandate was fundamentally different from other “vaccine mandates” and it should have been opt-in at best from the beginning, I think I have to take his word that he has learned his mistake and move on from that. We will have to trust that should a similar situation arise, Perry will choose differently in the future.

    For me, particularly on the angle of nanny state powers, my sensitivity dials are set to “11″. When we have statist liberals actively proclaiming they know better than we do how best to manage our personal medical care decisions, we need a leader in the WH whose gut instinct tells them the opposite is true….because it is.

    In common parlance, our last Republican President has strong streaks of statism in his political philosophy. My honest hope is that we can nominate someone who is really conservative across the board when it comes to how they view the relationship between government and the governed.

    Perry’s quote about “government subjects” at the GOP fundraiser in Waterloo was right on point in that regard. Actions, however speak louder than words!

  • unclefred

    HPV can have other very serious consequences besides cervical cancer.

    I have a 55+ year old male friend who was exposed to HPV when he was in his early 20s. In the last ten years he has had multiple treatments (surgery and various types of chemotherapy) for polyps on his vocal cords. Fortunately the last course of treatment seems to have been successful.

    According to this source there are over 120 types/versions of the HPV virus. http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/hpv/index.htm Some are more serious than others. Four types are associated with cancer two of which are spread by sexual contact. Please see the link for more details.

    Various sources on the web put the incidence of HPV in the population ages 18-59 somewhere between 50% -80%. Clearly no one really knows the extent and scope of the problem, but it seems to meet a basic criteria as a public health issue.

    So the question seems to be one of appropriate response. Was the vaccine adequately tested? Was it’s risk out weighed by the benefit? Was the appropriate treatment group selected? Since males can transmit the virus should we, assuming it would be effective, also vaccinate males?

    With the influx of illegals we are seeing instances of diseases that we though we had wiped out here when I was a child, and for which we no longer vaccinate.

    As for the notion that this vaccine is the product of a monopoly. Merck developed it, they own it and are free to do with it as they please. As for its pricing. I don’t know how much Merck spent on development. I don’t know where on the volume curve they make a profit. I also wonder about the legal implications of vaccinating young girls. I would be curious if someone could comment on the comparative liability of this vaccine to others say the MMR shot. I think all of us here can agree that Merck is entitled to a profit on their risk and investment.

    Questions of safety, efficacy, and from a medical perspective risk benefit are technical questions that should be openly vetted and explained. Questions of non-medical risk reward, sourcing, and public policy are political questions and need to be debated. It is best for all of us if this happens in a rational and thoughtful process, not one steeped in emotional terms.

    While I understand your anger and frustration, the title of this post does not lend itself to a rational evaluation of these questions.

  • rightwingmom52

    Saying Perry can win is quite different than saying you want him to win. Cohen makes a case for the former, not the latter.

  • rightwingmom52

    is not likely to win you any friends here, especially when you’ve done so in such a disingenuous way. Not the first time you’ve stretched the truth.

  • goldwaterlives

    I find real problems with Governor Perry’s record and his true convictions. Is there a chance he had a sincere transformation since watching the federal government run roughshod over the citizenry? Certainly. Is it likely? No.

    Right now as long as someone other than Perry, Santorum & Huntsman are nominated for the GOP I can rest easy at night. I think we can maintain an effective firewall in the house and senate against Obama, so let the chips fall where they may.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    .. are allowing them to be lab rats for progressive society.

    You just can’t give them a laptop for unlimited internet access or just drop them off at the mall for half a day anymore or not check the (most likely leftist) curriculum at their schools.

    So, in Perry’s defense maybe he thought he was “taking care” of girls who are already marginalized by their own parents — and all other “not my kid!” parents would work the opt out.

    Why he would put us through the red tape, I have no idea.

    I remember feeling very angry when he did this — but as a “matured” citizen, I now realize that just because he approved the use of this vaccine doesn’t mean he’s personally insulting my parenting or calling my 10-year-old a whore.

    I understand the entire issue — Merck included. If anyone really wants to raise a stink, make one to end all lobbying and all Executive Orders across the board so that the little people can have a greater voice.

    The more poor I become, the less sympathy I have for business doing something in my “interest.”

    I sure as hell didn’t vote them into office to be finagling with my politician.

  • rightwingmom52

    You make a comment implying that Perry is acceptable to a progressive liberal, putting “Huh?” at the end like you don’t get it when Cohen’s article clearly indicates nothing of the kind. He merely makes the point that Perry can win.

    Perry, Santorum, and even Huntsman, in fact, anyone in the GOP field (except maybe Paul) would be better than Obama, and I’m certainly not willing to “let the chips fall where they may” so I’ll be working to elect whoever wins the primary. If our nominee turns out to be one of these 3, will you vote for him in the General?

  • streiff

    Because what you are saying is absolutely no different than saying if a girl in a miniskirt gets raped she deserves it. How do you propose to vet the young man your daughter decides to marry? Boys carry HPV, too.

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    first, having HPV doesn’t mean you will die of cancer. It means you are at greater risk.

    yes, a woman who remained abstinent until marriage could get HPV from her husband. But that doesnt mean she wil get cervical cancer, and given how prevalent HOV actually is it’s more likely that she won’t.

    Most people with HPV do not develop symptoms or health problems from it. In 90% of cases, the body?s immune system clears HPV naturally within two years. (ref: CDC factsheet http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm)

    (vetting is a red herring. This whole debate is about calculated risks)

    second, having teh vaccine doesnt prevent all forms of HPV either. Gardasil is very effective at prevention of HPV types 16 and 18, but these only account for 70% of all cervical cancers. So you still retain a third of teh risk for cervical cancer even if vaccinated.

    Third, cervical cancer screening is still recommended regardless of whether you had teh HPV vaccine or not. So, even if you didnt get the vaccine, theres still a process to try and catch cancer before it gets too advanced.

    The simple truth is that teh risk profile for genital warts is unique to promiscuous girls, and abstinent girls can still get HPV but due solely to *lifestyle* their risk is much, much reduced.

    And the corollary truth is that the vaccine itself is not a guarantee but simply a way of reducing risk. If there are two girls, one with 10% risk of cancer (high) and another with 1% risk (low), and if HPV reduces risk by 70%, then girl 1 now has a 3% risk of cancer and teh other has a .3% risk. Girl 1 has a significant reduction in risk, but was it really worth it for girl 2?

    again, its all about calculated risks. lifestyle is far better than any vaccine.

  • acat

    then .. I respectfully submit that lifesstyle is not sufficient.

    Mew

  • streiff

    your point but beyond “people who are promiscuous should die”, which isn’t entirely unexpected given the fact that we don’t stone promiscuous people in the US, but it remains obscure.

    If anything this quatch is more confusing than your tweets on the subject.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    in no way is it a girl’s fault for being raped if she chooses to wear a miniskirt .. or show cleavage … or flirt.

    I’m an advocate on the side of parents. We raise our kids with character, or we don’t. We raise them to be careful, or we don’t.

    I don’t vet. She does, based on how I’ve raised her.

    … where did rape even come close to getting mentioned in this discussion? I agree entirely — including your fp post!

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    there are no guarantees. But I believe that we do the best we can to show our kids right and wrong, show them our values, and pray to God that they “stick”. We as parents are not powerless in this regard.

    And part of parenting is also calculated risk assessment. Make no mistake, I think that the antivax movement is irresponsible, immorral, and equivalent to child abuse. But with respect to THIS vaccine, the same solid case for prevention simply doesn’t exist, and that’s entirely due to lifestyle.

    I am very cognizant of this having two girls of my own. They have every vacc except HPV. If things dont turn out the way I hope they do, and one of them were to contract HPV at some point in teh future, god forbid, well thats something to deal with then. But even then – its hardly a “death sentence” to not have vaccinated them. (as someone put it on Twitter)

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    Since the vaccine only reduces risk of getting HPV, and getting HPV is NOT equivalent to getting cervical cancer, and getting cervical cancer is NOT equivalent to untreatable death, your confusion on this topic is inexplicable.

    Since teh vaccine only reduces risk, but does not guarantee 100% prevention of all cervical cancer in the future, your justification of Perry’s impulse to mandate the vaccine is definitely confusing, though.

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    “I don?t vet. She does, based on how I?ve raised her.”

    that there is some good nutshell right there.

  • streiff

    of understanding the theory behind vaccines.

    You obviously refuse to read anything I’ve written on the subject are really doing nothing more than beclowning yourself.

    No vaccine is 100% effective. No vaccine is 100% safe. The fact that the FDA says the vax is efficacious and the CDC recommends its use in all women aged 9 – 26 should be a hint that it is your own peculiar cultural attitudes towards sex and what should happen to people who are doing what you are not that is the issue, not Governor Perry’s policy.

    Your tweets were profoundly stupid, which is why I blocked you. If anything your posts are both more obtuse and medieval than your tweets. How about ****ing off and leaving me alone?

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    “incapable of understanding” and “beclowning” aside, I think anyone reading my comments above will see that it is I who first raised the facts you just listed in this thread, namely that no vaccine is 100% safe/effective.

    And in fact these facts are precisely why the assertion by you, that failure to give teh vaccine to kids is tantamount to a death sentence, is at odds with the scientific facts. I wont reciprocate your debate manners and accuse you of beclowning yourself however.

    as far as attitudes towards sex goes, your writing is not as clear as it normally is. It seems that you are labeling my parental expectation of abstinence as “medieval” and “peculiar”. I am curious, do you support distributing condoms in schools?

    as far as %^$%^ing off and leaving you alone, you are engaging in a debate on a public forum. You have every right to block me on twitter but I’m not violating the terms of service of this website. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to click Reply To This . As long as you do reply, however, I will assume we are still having a conversation, one that isn’t limited to 140 characters, and will respond.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    .. or good sh*t?

    don’t think the former’s an American idiom.

    Nice try, tho.

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    and forgot to leave the cap on the blender

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    as far as I am concerned, Perry’s quick reversal in teh face of opposition and subsequent mea culpa are really the end of the political story.

    The point of our contention is your assertion that my position, and Veronica’s, and other people who were a bit disturbed by the seeming flippancy of Perry’s original decision making process, all equate to a “medieval” attitude that “promiscuous people should die”

    This assertion doesn’t appear in your posts on Perry, but you raised it out of the blue, first on Twitter and now here. And the vast galaxy of facts about vaccines and science essentially support the simple counterargument that refusal of HPV is in no way even remotely similar to anti-vaccination idiocy in general.

  • acat

    Every Baptist on this board knows the stories of how the kids who rebel the hardest are the ones whose parents are the examples…. and hopefully, of how those kids find redemption. I’ve known several who followed this path over the years… it may be a stereotype, but stereotypes generally have a kernel of truth, eh?

    This is why my conclusion is different than yours. I’d vaccinate mine.

    Mew

  • pasadenaphil

    If you are arguing that this negates the issue, what does that say about the value of selecting a candidate who doesn’t offend CONSERVATIVES? Is not offending Democrats and liberals the standard?

    For a good write-up of the problem with Perry’s on this issue, check Michelle Malkin. Pay particular attention to his attitude after being rebuked by the legislature. Perry is just another “cram an agenda down the throats of voters” statist that the GOP establishment seems determined to cram down our throats. And this issue is only one of many more where his “one-world-without-borders liberalism” is on display. He defended signing the TX DREAM Act of 2001 in NH last week. And there is no much more.

  • davidf

    So, because the TX legislature overturned it and Perry was forced to “back down”, that somehow makes it okay? Good thing the office of the presidency doesn’t have the power of executive orders or anything.

  • gekster

    Who do you like for President.

  • streiff

    RonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaul

  • lineholder

    Seems to be a lot of spin going on…and amongst our own side, no less. It would just be easier if someone was honest up front and said, “I don’t like so-and-so, and here’s why”, wouldn’t it?

  • gekster

    they seam to be coming out of the cracks in the woodwork.

    Kinda like cockroaches. And just as welcome.

  • http://www.manerlittle.com Jonathan Crumly

    Acat, this is a point that needs to be repeated over and over and over again no matter which side of the aisle is in charge. As George Washington wisely noted ?Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.?

    One question that few of us ask anymore when evaluating whether to give government (at any level) power to take an action is ?would you want a government run by the other side having that power?? If the answer is NO, then it doesn?t matter who is in charge when ?our? side passes the law or regulation.