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The Goldwater Talking Point

“The greatest lesson to take away now is that the media is going to again fixate on Goldwater from 1964 and Kerry from 2004, and they will probably mostly ignore the most historically relevant election points

The media typically begins any Presidential campaign with comparisons to Harry Truman. The Reagan re-election in 1984 had the comparison. The Bush re-election in 1992 had the comparison. The Clinton re-election in 1996 had the comparison. Humorously, the off year election of 2002 used the Truman comparison too, as did 2004.

The media does this not only because a lot of them are lazy and not only because a lot of them talk with each other at beltway soirees where they infect each other with their various often contrived narratives and talking points, but also because they really do want to help put the election in some historic context.

Whenever a President is embattled, the media falls back to Truman.

But there is something else the media does — and typically does because of a leftward bias, a reliance on both establishment Republicans in Washington as their chief GOP sources and their Democratic friends as Democratic sources— they compare the Republican Primary to 1964.

Every conservative candidate must withstand the “Is he Barry Goldwater” question. Never mind that Barry Goldwater has been tried repeatedly by the Democrats and the only person it ever worked against was Barry Goldwater.

The Democrats have made clear, and the media is seizing on, President Obama’s campaign statements that if Rick Perry is the nominee, they’ll go with Goldwater 1964 and if Mitt Romney is the nominee, they’ll go with John Kerry 2004 as the flip flopping opportunist. Neither of these will work this year and all you have to do is follow along as I step in the way back machine and take you back to the news as it existed on the campaign trail of 1979 and 1980.

“Is defeat probable for GOP if Reagan wins nomination?” blared the headline of the Christian Science Monitor on March 5, 1980. That was just the start of it.

“Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?” wrote Richard J. Cattani in that Christian Science Monitor article. He continued,

“Reagan is the opponent of choice for Carter,” says I. A. Lewis, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll, a point on which most analysts agree. “But Reagan can reach across and cause mischief in the Democratic constituency,” Mr. Lewis says. “Reagan appeals to blue collar, working-class voters. He can win Democratic votes.”

“Carter could beat Reagan more easily than he could Bush or Baker,” Mr. Lewis says. “A moderate Republican would appeal to moderate Democrats, while upper-income Republicans might defect from Reagan to the Demcorats. Ford is of course, the strongest in the polls against Carter. But if he became a candidate, he could sink the same way Kennedy did after he declared.”

Elections analyst Richard Scammon, who thinks a candidate must command the political center to win the presidency, gives neither Reagan nor Ford much chance.

The Christian Science Monitor led the field for the month of March with a number of overwrought “analyses” on just how vulnerable Ronald Reagan was as a far right extremist.

Five days after Cattani’s article, Newsweek’s Dennis A. Williams penned “The GOP’s Hamlet”. Parroting talking points that the McCain campaign could have given in 2008 or the Huntsman camp this year, Williams wrote

The talk of another Ford candidacy — only three months after he formally removed himself from a string of primaries — betrayed an air of alarm on the part of many middle-road Republicans. Faced with Bush’s unexpected slide in New Hampshire and Howard Baker’s chronically weak campaign, GOP centrists — Ford among them — saw in Reagan’s resurgence the potential for another Goldwater debacle. Ford, by contrast, was an ideologically safe, fondly remembered party loyalist who very nearly beat Jimmy Carter in 1976. Gallup polls last month showed Ford leading Reagan — and trailing Carter by a narrower margin than any other GOP contender in general-election trial heats. “Jerry Ford,” argues one former aide, “is the only politician around who neutralizes Carter’s positives” — solid character and Presidential stature — “and accentuates his negatives” — primarily an inflation rate 10 points higher than when Ford left office. Thus, even though the odds are long, the hour late and the scenario strewn with ifs, Ford remains the panic-button choice of many in his party and the Republican most feared by Carter strategists.

And there it was — the Goldwater Talking Point. Only useful against Barry Goldwater, it became the media template for the “far-right” candidate who could not win over the American public because of his “far-right” extremism. The moderate candidate was “most feared” by the Democrat. Surely the GOP would not be suicidal enough to go with Reagan.

Building off the Goldwater Talking Point, George Esper of the Associated Press wrote up a press conference from moderate, soon to be third party candidate, John Anderson on March 21, 1980.

“I cannot believe that the Republican Party will condemn itself to the kind of lopsided electoral contest that took place in 1964,” Anderson told a regional meeting of business people in Stamford.

It was one of his strongest statements against Reagan. He referred to the 1964 presidential election when the Republican candidate — Sen. Barry Goldwater, like Reagan, a conservative — was swamped in a landslide victory by Lyndon B. Johnson. “I am afraid that the nomination of Mr. Reagan will only ensure the re-election of Mr. Carter and further ensure the continuing economic disaster that we have suffered now for three years,” the Illinois congressman said.

“I cannot believe that with the mounting problems America faces,” he said, “the voters in November will have a choice only between the economic policies of Ronald Reagan and those of Jimmy Carter.”

Get ready to call Jon Huntsman “John Anderson” if a guy like Rick Perry gets the nomination.

On the same day, the Canadian Globe and Mail’s Lawrenece Martin called Reagan “Ronald ‘send-in-the-Marines’ Reagan . . . whose appeal to [independents], at best, is limited.”

All of these articles were in March of 1980, around the time Reagan clearly was locking up the nomination. Back in 1979, they were just as predictable.

As early as January 29, 1979, in an article by Peter Goldman and Eleanor Clift in Newsweek entitled “The Politics of Austerity,” we learned this interesting nugget:

[I]t remains a measure of the stresses between Carter and the Democratic left that his people anticipate more trouble with his renomination than his re-election. Their winter-book bet for the Republican nomination is Ronald Reagan, and they consider him beatable, so long as Carter monopolizes the center – “just 80 per cent of the people,” says Jordan – and isolates Reagan on the outer right.

The left and media began immediately building up the concerns about Reagan being too far right.

On June 23, 1979, Barry Sussman in the Washington Post wrote, “Reagan has not picked up substantial support from party activists who represent either strong moderate or small liberal elements of the party, the poll indicates. Many appear to be concerned about some of Reagan’s followers – “arch-conservative kooks,” one poll respondent called them.”

Then, in an echo of the Perry criticisms from conservatives in Texas and elsewhere, Newsweek kicked off on October 1, 1979, with “The Leading Man” by Tom Mathews. In the article, Mathews suggests one of Reagan’s problems is surprisingly that he is too moderate for some, but is still too far right for most.

And before staking out his position on SALT last week — for genuine arms control, against any one-way street favoring the Soviet Union — he consulted Albert Wohlstetter, an academic expert on national-defense and security issues who has Democratic ties. “He wants to get the best advice he can whether these people support him or not,” says issues adviser Martin Anderson.

All this has led to some grumbling among righter-than-thou Republicans that Reagan may be sacrificing his ideological purity to his White House ambitions, a charge he angrily denies. His strategists quivered rather ambiguously last week when The New York Times reported that his latest position on SALT II was “moderately worded.” “If The New York times says he’s softening his image we can’t control that,” said Lake. “It might even help in the East, but over-all it could hurt.” And the truth seemed to be that Reagan intended to shift as little as possible. “Anyone who wants to moderate him is going to have a tough time,” said former aide Lyn Nofziger, who dropped from the Reagan campaign after losing a squabble over campaign assignments and policy issues. “They have taken a little of the hardness out of the hard line — but that’s a long way from moving him to the left.”

As an aside, the same Newsweek article notes that Reagan was in favor of a Chrysler bankruptcy instead of a bailout — a position many Republican donors were uncomfortable with.

On November 16, 1979, Walter R. Mears wrote an AP News Analysis for the Associated Press in which he wrote, “Last time, one of Reagan’s problems was to dispel the suggestion that he was too far right, too extreme a conservative, for the nomination or the presidency. When that came up, as it often did, Reagan would recite his record as a candidate and as governor of California. When Ford called him too far right, Reagan replied that the president twice had tried to recruit him for Cabinet positions.”

The Economist followed a few days later on November 24, 1979, explicitly drawing the Goldwater-Reagan connection.

Ever since 1964, when he made a rousing speech at the Republican convention that nominated Senator Barry Goldwater for president, Mr Reagan has been the darling of the Republican right. . . .

If Mr Reagan does not lose the Republican nomination, present opinion polls suggest that he will lose to either Senator Kennedy or President Carter next November. The latest Gallup poll shows Mr Reagan trailing the senator by 16 percentage points, and Mr Carter by six. The Republican party’s minority status among registered voters also puts Mr Reagan at a disadvantage.

But the Economist also did what frequently happens with the “far-right” candidate — they given a wink-wink to the supposedly “far-right” voters suggesting they should back away from their extremist candidate because he really isn’t that extreme. “Even though he practised conventional, middle-of-the-road politics as governor of California from 1967 to 1975, his political language had a hard right edge,” the Economist’s reporter wrote. So he’s far-right, but even the far-right shouldn’t trust him because his record is really that of a moderate — or something like that. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney could sympathize.

The “far-right” theme continued all the way to the 1980 convention and the election.

On July 12, 1980, Haynes Johnson, writing in the Washington Post, began his profile of the Republican Convention this way:

Gone are the conflicts between progressive and conservative wings, between East and Midwest, of the past.

Absent are the personal clashes — Taft and Eisenhower, Goldwater and Rockefeller — that marked other conventions. TheGrand Old Party that has emerged out of those disputes is smaller and ideologically purer than ever — and it stands enthusiastically behind its conservative choice, Ronald Reagan.

And yet the nagging doubts intrude. They love Reagan, all right, but they can’t quite shake their worries about him. If the delegates could speak directly to their candidate in one voice now, the message would be clear — “Don’t blow it!”

They don’t want Reagan to renounce his conservative principles, but they are concerned he will be perceived by voters as too right.

“Temper your ideology with pragmatism– up to a point,” is the way one delegate offers advice to the certain GOP standard-bearer. “Don’t depend totally on the right-wing groups. Be sensibly conservative.”

Mirroring some of the journalistic excesses of coverage today, Johnson continued, “And in a day when political party differences have blurred or become nonexistent in the eyes of many Americans, and in face of the continuing rise of independent voters, these Republicans cling to their convictions.”

And then Johnson delved into responses given to the Post, which are eerily similar to those of today.

“Do not compromise in order to get votes,” says a California delegate another very conservative one.

“Continue to shoot from the hip,” remarks a West Virginian, who has stood behind Reagan in the past as well as now.

But such views do not dominate the responses given The Post. What comes over is a desire — and an appeal — that Reagan be cautious in his actions, tempered in his words, and conciliatory in his approach.Uniting the party, moderating the views of the more extreme members of the GOP, paying heed to wider range of national opinion, expanding the circle of his advisers to include a better ideological mix — these are the major concerns expressed.

The pattern is quite striking. The rhetoric and reporting mirror the fight the GOP is having today. LIke in 1980, however, and the same with 2004, the media is missing key details in their abridged world view of elections.

In 1964 and 2004, the United States was engaged in a political campaign in the middle of heightened national security tensions. In 1964, the Cold War had escalated, President Kennedy had been assassinated, and Lyndon Johnson was trying to scale back the nuclear arms race. Using a series of ads, including the famous daisy ad and the even more direct ice cream ad, Johnson portrayed Goldwater as someone who would ignite a nuclear holocaust.

In 2004, the issue was surrender in the war on terror. John Kerry portrayed himself as strong on defense, but his record suggested otherwise. Using a now famous advertisement with a pack of wolves, the Bush campaign destroyed Kerry’s reputation as someone who could be trusted to keep us safe.

In 1980, while the media rushed to the Goldwater talking point and considered Reagan too “far-right” to beat Jimmy Carter, the nation found itself in an economic mess. It was very hard to characterize Reagan as too far right for a country craving new policies to get it out of its economic mess. Voters wanted a change from Jimmy Carter.

Carter’s campaign eventually had to drop the “he’s too radical” approach and instead do what the left is now doing to Rick Perry — claiming Reagan actually did nothing to help people in California when he was Governor. They tried to destroy the idea of California as a paradise, which in 1980 was a place millions were flocking to in search of work, just as people are now going to Texas. In fact, in that advertisement one of the lines was “[Reagan] said he cut spending, but he never really did.”

It did not work. Neither the Goldwater narrative nor the “he sucked as Governor” narrative worked for Carter because, quite simply, the public had given up on him.

The greatest lesson to take away now is that the media is going to again fixate on Goldwater from 1964 and Kerry from 2004, and they will probably mostly ignore the most historically relevant election points — Carter in 1980 and George H. W. Bush in 1992.

History doesn’t repeat itself. The media does.

COMMENTS

  • gmscan

    1. 1964 was not a repudiation of Goldwater it was a sentimental affirmation of Kennedy post assassination. It has no application to any other situation.

    2. Huntsman used to work for Obama and he still does. He is in the race solely to undermine the Republican field from the inside.

  • stormbringer

    I completely agree. The exact same thought came to me this past week.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I think that Perry can win it all.

    But he must put in the work lest he become Fred Thompson.

    Clearly, he is not Fred so far so that is good.

    Sadly, it appears that we will not get a strong illegal immigration candidate (given the Texas dream act), but Obama has kindly given Perry even room there with his recent disregard for the law.

    Perry has only to say that he will enforce all immigration laws and he has moved to the right of Obama.

  • diehardcon

    Very well researched and collated info to provide excellent historical perspective. The leftist media will ALWAYS tell us who they fear, and will ALWAYS attempt to destroy proud conservatives as “FAR-RIGHT, unnacceptable to the mainstream” candidates. However, as the Reagan example will timelessly prove, Americans WILL elect conservatives when faced with failed leftwing incumbents, and will do so more strongly in direct proportion to the perceived conservative sincerity of the challenger. This, of course, utterly contradicts the narrative of the media, and should become a thoroughly established guide for all the doubting Toms (and Dicks and Harrys, as well as the Janes, Jessicas and Joans, etc.). I salute your work!

  • gawken

    nutso..he’ll start a nuclear war..remember the little girl with the daisy commerical?
    Before Terry exploded on the scene..the Dems had already tipped their hand, Mitt was going to be depicted as “weird”…
    The ONLY hope the Dems have, their one hail Mary, is that they can somehow make the 2012 race all about the GOP nominee..in 1964, or 1980, when the controlled the media, that was possible, now, no way..and Obama’s continuing to fail policies will drag him down to the depths..

  • diehardcon

    we may not get a strong border/immigration candidate, but not that Perry has only to make a pro-forma statement about enforcing existing laws. Both because Perry has no lock on the nomination, and because the issue has become a serious national disgrace, Perry is going to have to develop a much more aggressive, credible policy than he has demonstrated as governor. He hinted as much in a recent interview with Fox’s Greta, actually describing the border condition as a growing disgrace. I believe it may be the ONLY thing interfering with a full-blown vigorous endorsement from many of my brethren.

  • bk

    Truman: THE BUCK STOPS HERE

    vs

    Obama: THE BUCK STOPS THERE

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    and it’s a simple ‘but’. I’m hopeful Sarah will announce on or before Sept 3, which if she does I think is a master stroke on her part (or campaign managers part).

    By being a non-candidate candidate the press is still excoriating her and doing all they can to destroy her. She’s still here. She’s weathered it all. They fear her like they feared Reagan. The press is offering up Romney as our candidate already, like they did McCain, and for that reason alone, I think he should be avoided.

    We pick our candidate, not the MSM.

    That said, if Sarah’s not in come September, Rick Perry is a serious contender for my vote.

  • throwback59

    with 9% unemployment. If they did, both Truman and Bush would have lost and Johnson would have had a much closer race.
    Re-election is always about the sitting Pres., and this President is sitting way too much.

  • arthurmanger17

    Listen clearly I?ve a tail to tell. It?s the story of Harry S Truman and the famous photo of him holding up a ?news? paper stating Dewey defeats Truman. Now for the next couple of weeks your going to here, Truman had a 39% approval rating and pulled it out. Why was that headline written before the results were in, in the first place. Here now, the rest of the story. Roosevelt was a communist/socialist Democrat, so he gave Stalin half of Europe, with the understanding that Roosevelt would wait for Stalin to get his forces ready to move into Asia so he could get a good chunk of China. Straight talking Truman said ?f that? and dropped the bomb. Japan would get a new constitution and Stalin gets pissed, he now has no reason to move into China. Second; Roosevelt thought that Negros should remain in their place. His wife Eleanor was the one that made the famous 332nd Fighter Group and the 477th Bombardment Group of the U.S. Army Air Corps known as the Black Fighter squadron a reality. But it was Truman who integrated the arm services. He made a speech when he signed that order where he noted that for every black man you force to work in a ditch, it took two white men to keep him there, thus forcing three people into servitude. The Democrat party didn?t like none of what Truman was doing or saying. He was a party loyalist but not to the parties policies. The media, (print and radio) would not promote these anti socialist, pro black ideas. But the American people heard and they knew what was ?right?. Thus the head line that was so wrong. Now we are told by this same faction, that we, who want to limit the size and power of the government. That we, the vast majority of Americans who flipped the power players out this last November, that we the people are terrorist. I say f that!

  • wolfgang

    The unofficial campaign to re elect Barack Hussein Obama is apparently quite alive and doing well.
    A while back the State Of California sent a delegation to Texas to find out what Texas was doing correctly and what California was doing wrong or poorly in the way of economic development. The delegation was headed by now Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsome, former Mayor of san Francisco.
    Governor Perry greeted the California delegation with a recitation of Texas’ record in jobs and economic growth. He closed his remarks by saing “This is Texas, not some state where a man can marry a man!”
    Upon hearing news of Governor Perry’s remarks, the entire mermbership of the all male conga line at the NYT began to hyperventilate, run crazily in circles and scream hysterically for airplane vomit bags.
    Unmask any Liberal and you’re likely to find a closet pervert underneath: Anthony Wiener, Congressman David Wu, the former head of the Georgia ACLU, now doing time after images of little kiddies engaged in some not quite so cute and cuddly activities were discovered on his computer hard drive, ditto for John Kerry’s executive assistant and staunchest supporter during the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans assault on his Presidential candidacy.
    The Liberals desperation to destroy Perry will border on the hysterical.

  • diehardcon

    to Rick Perry, despite her charisma, either in the Republican party or in a general election. We’ll very likely witness proof of that in the coming days and weeks, whether she jumps in or not. You clearly like the right people in this race, just have the order upside-down! I like her also, but like Bachmann, needs more time to develop and build accomplishments.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    n/t

  • carolina

    he will win it all.
    If not…….? That would be a tough call.
    I think his attack of the Fed is exactly right.
    Thanks for the historical perspective Eric! The media threw all of that nonsense into the stew and LOST, even before the WWW. They are really showing “their true colors” now.

  • rulken

    I will never vote for anyone that wants to give “amnesty” to 20million illegals immigrants. Period end of story!

  • renl57

    You said: “Carter?s campaign eventually had to drop the ?he?s too radical? approach ”

    No they didn’t!

    I remember Carter’s TV ads that summer, implying that Reagan was a warmonger who would start a war over any pretext.

    And do you remember this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2vdvzMSKS8

    Yep, scare old folks with the end of Medicare and Social Security if Reagan is elected.

    And even this:

    “LAWNSIDE, N.J., Nov. 2 (AP)–Coretta Scott King, the civil rights activist, said she feared the resurgence of fanatical right wing groups if Ronald Reagan was elected President. ”

    That’s right! She and other black leaders insinuated that Reagan as POTUS would cause a resurgence of the KKK.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The more radical Malthusian left groups like NumbersUSA attack Perry, the better he looks with mainstream Republicans and Americans.

  • acat

    1) Applies to illegals who have lived in Texas for 3 years
    2) Applies to illegals who have graduated from Texas high schools.
    3) Requires those illegals to apply for citizenship. (i.e. “become documented”)
    4) Requires those illegals to pay for their own tuition.
    (at the in-state rate, which is about 1/3 of the out-of-state rate)

    Keep in mind, Texas has no income tax, so .. if they’ve been living and working there for 3 years, they’ve done everything necessary to achieve the in-state rate .. except becoming citizens .. and that’s covered by point 3 above.

    It is unfortunate that the Texas Dream Act shares its’ name with a very different Federal bill.

    Mew

  • acat

    ya gotta include the pic!

    polite hat tip to sweasel

    Mew

  • acat

    I’m sure he’ll be crushed.

    Mew

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Heh.

    In all seriousness, Carter kept up the “radical right-wing” approach until after Labor Day and it wasn’t gaining traction so he shifted to “Reagan sucked as Governor” approach. Follow the link at the bottom of the ad and you can see the approach.

  • Scope

    On another diary rulken stated that the closest thing you will ever come to the perfect presidential candidate is Bachmann. He also showed up here, shortly after the Bachmann support site went up with their targeted attacks against Perry. You know the site that the guy has been spamming here. I think they are just “roving” around trying to do as much damage to Perry as possible. The is the first time I’ve ever seen a candidates support site targeting just one of the other candidates, and not the whole field.

  • DerKrieger

    It’s not statistically meaningful but over on NRO 73% of poll responders don’t want Sarah to run http://www.nationalreview.com/

  • gmscan

    And that answers Eric’s original complaint about Huntsman — that he was disloyal to his boss. No he wasn’t. He is doing exactly what his boss and the other Chicago crooks wanted him to do.

  • radicalrighty

    .

  • superrooter

    Bob Beckel says he is itching for the chance for the Socialists (DEMS) to run against Perry in the general election. He also says he totally agrees with Maxine Waters this morning on Fox. They have determined that the TeaParty is just plain bad-evil-racist-terrorist and now have the nerve to bring into question the FED? Because of these recent revelations Bob and Maxine want to send them to H5LL? Sometimes you get what you wish for, when you allow yourself to remain or become someone elses player (spokes person) in either of the Establishment Party Cronies.

  • johnt

    failed policies of the past, appeals to “our” worst instincts, would turn back the clock, must disavow his extremist followers, is he intelligent?, believes the universe created in seven days, lacks gravitas, would wreck vitally needed federal programs, doesn’t know the Transportation Ministers name in Nigeria, his press secretary drinks too much, oh, and thirty years ago he had a parking violation. Feel free to add on. This from some of the narrowest, ignorant, imitative, follow the pack, low lifes in America, our media. On behalf of a Democrat who may have problems dressing himself.

  • brojohn2

    tells us much, it also says that the dems will do anything in their power to destroy anyone who does not toe their line. It is amazing to me that “minorities” continue to vote against their best interests, because the democrats have done nothing but keep them “in their place” with all their programs. I note that Obama, socialist that he is didn’t go into any black neighborhoods with his big black bus, but he sure kissed a lot of white babies, and other parts of anatomy while on his tour.
    The democrats take the minority vote for granted, and it makes me sick just knowing that jobs will be the focus of Perry’s work because he has worked to improve that picture in Texas while governor. There are things I disagree with him on, but I will guarantee I have a lot more that I disagree with in Romney’s case.
    I have to say, I hope Sarah stays out of this one, I would love to see her as veep. It would be fun to watch a repeat of 4 years ago against Mr. Foot in Mouth.

  • acat

    Of the top four, she’s my second choice… behind Perry, ahead of Romney and (spit) Paul.

    I had hoped shed’ be as principled as Pawlenty and not go on the offensive against other GOP candidates, understanding that Job One is defeating Obama. Unfortunately, it looks like some of her supporters didn’t get the memo.

    Mew

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    I do not watch/listen to polls. I watch what people do and are capable of doing.

    She packs places where she goes. Her speeches resonate with the crowds. She can bring in wheelbarrow-loads of cash. She is a viable candidate and she can win.

    Full disclosure: I have drunk the Koolaid and will support her until she either doesn’t run or is beaten and withdraws.

    I WILL NOT compromise my principals for a moderate. Ever again.

    If Romney is the candidate, or another middle-of-the-road RINO, I will either vote Libertarian, or not at all. I’m tired of being told my conservative values ‘can’t win’ so I’m the one who must compromise. This time the moderates must compromise to the conservatives because we tried their way last time and McCain lost.

    Yes, I understand that mentality will allow Hopey McChange the Healthcare clown to secure another four years. If that’s what it takes to beat down the moderates then so be it.

  • superrooter

    Mr Foot in Massachusetts Hah Hah

  • gekster

    It was just a Perry hit site, done in the name of Bachmann.
    It smelled of lefty all over the place, lies tied to acusations, and not what you would think a Bachmann supporter would do.
    I really don’t know, but I can’t hold this one against to Bachmann.

  • 2warabnvet

    elected in 1964 I might be one of the few Vietnam veterans, and many of my friends might now be alive.

  • pttx333

    I very proudly voted for him the first time I was old enough to vote – 21 at the time – when LBJ (the Texas slimebag) won handily after smearing Goldwater and ignorant folks believing him (not to mention all the LBJ stuffed ballot boxes). I stand by that vote to this day – he was a good conservative and a good man.

  • drshatterhand

    My own thoughts on the a comparison to Goldwater are quite different. There was another dynamic at play in 1964. Now, I’m not old enough to remember that, I was born in 1980, but my father was active in campaigning for Goldwater back in his youth. Having read some on the subject recently, the other dynamic seems to be the demolition of Goldwater by Republicans during the primary campaign, prior to the general election campaign. The Johnson campaign, barely lifted a finger against Goldwater (there are a few ad’s like the infamous “daisy” add, but in general they did not have to campaign negatively against him). No… the dirty work was done by moderate republicans like Rockefeller and Scranton… painting Goldwater as an extremist, and putting that image in the mind of swing voters and centrist republicans and democrats.

    With our large (and maybe growing) field of candidates, it seems more likely that this can happen this year. That our eventual candidate is so bloodied, maybe even after a brokered convention that Obama will sail to re-election, because they will have already been deemed un-electable by swing voters and independents who don’t participate in the GOP primaries. This is my concern, and if Palin, Christie, Ryan, etc. etc. decide to jump in late, I think it’s more likely. Palin and Christie in particular will fight to the political death with Romney and Perry, that we may end up creating our own disaster when the election rolls around. I still don’t think Palin and Christie or Ryan get in, but with all the speculation in the last week or so, who knows…. I really hope we start losing some candidates instead of gaining them over the next few months.

  • runner12

    I was not aware of how much that time period in history parallels to the present. It appears Dem talking points do not change that much from one generation to the next.

  • YnotNOW

    Current elections are short-term, and we have to vote according to what is available at the time – which may not be very good.
    So we also have to work to change the game to have better choices in the future.
    The short game – accountability (work with what you’ve got)
    The medium game – politics (take over the party)
    the long game – culture (change the culture)

    My thoughts outlined here:

    http://www.redstate.com/ynotnow/2011/08/18/what-to-do-about-the-dilemma-of-voting-for-the-less-bad-candidate-vs-the-3rd-party-protest-vote/

  • YnotNOW

    Than continue his Hopey-Changey destruction of our economy.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    was FDR–and the 0 is NOT FDR.

  • emac

    My mom taught me as a young child, “When you point your finger to blame someone else, remember you have three fingers pointing back at you!” It is a lesson I never forgot and have hopefully passed on to my children.

  • rulken

    With a rope, that’s how I would like to support Odumbo

  • rulken

    Hi acat;
    Yes, the problem is, illegal is still illegal, they need to go back out the gate, and get in line for legal entry.