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Judging September 3rd

ABC News has a profile of the upcoming Palin speech and what it may or may not mean. We know for certain that she will not declare her candidacy for the Presidency that day. And despite the wishful thinking of a bunch of others, I really doubt she will endorse anyone else either.

Peter Singleton who I know and respect is one of the volunteers on the ground in Iowa. He’s been there for a while, of his own accord, laying the ground work for a possible Palin bid. He tells ABC News,

he doesn’t think Palin will make an explicit announcement Sept. 3. But he believes it will be “clear” from her “major” and “important” speech that Palin is getting into the race.

Singleton said he thinks the speech will start a “conversation with the American people” and focus on “who we are as a people and what’s at stake in this election and what the primary debate will be on our side.” He said he believes the speech will “lay out her vision for the country, returning to the vision of the founders,” something Palin often speaks about.

Singleton spoke like a soldier waiting to be called into battle.

Unlike Peter, I don’t know that she will. I’m still in the “believe it when I see it” camp. But there are a few things I think need to be focused on.

First of all, take the latest PPP poll out of Iowa.

Without Palin in the race, it is Perry at 22%, Romney at 19%, Bachmann at 18%, and Ron Paul at 16%.

If Sarah Palin gets into the race, it is Perry at 21% (-1), Romney at 18% (-1), Bachmann at 15% (-3), and Ron Paul at 12% (-4). Palin would be at 10%.

In other words, Palin’s entry would not shake up the race terribly at this point and surprisingly would impact Ron Paul the most, though the leader board would remain the same.

Then there is the Gallup poll.

According to Gallup, Palin has 97% name recognition, which is up 2% from the last time I checked. But she still has only 12% ballot support. Likewise, her “positive intensity” is in Romney territory.

This suggests a few things to me.

First, I think we are coming to the end of the line for Sarah Palin’s ability to string the Republican primary voters along. They are trying to settle on a candidate now, they’ve held out hope of her entry, and are now ready for her to put up or shut up. Many of them have already moved on.

Second, I think Palin could get back a number of voters should she get into the race — people who gave up on her running and moved on to someone else. But, I do not think it would put her in a strong enough position to get into first or second place.

All of the above suggests, if Palin got in, it would not be hers for the taking as many of her supporters might think. Instead, she’d struggle for third place and not be guaranteed, even in Iowa, of a strong finish. She’d also have to get into the debates and endure the media pile on — again.

Let’s also not forget that enduring a lengthy primary season on a national campaign trail is a different animal from being on a national general election campaign trail as the Vice Presidential nominee. The debating is different, the attacks are different (though I think we’ve seen everything we’ll ever see), and the candidate interactions are different.

There’s never been a candidate to get a more thorough examination by the media, the left, and the right. Sarah Palin has withstood the slings, barbs, bullets, and arrows that would have fallen a lesser person. But even that is no sure thing, given that she has become so familiar as a person to so many Republican voters that she no longer excites a sufficient number as she once did to enter the race in a strong position. 97% name recognition, 12% support, and positive intensity equivalent to Mitt Romney is not a good thing for Sarah Palin.

I am in the “believe it when I see it” camp. If Sarah Palin gets in, it will make for an even more awesome primary spectacle and will hopefully cause Jon Huntsman’s head to fully explode. What I do know for certain is that if Sarah Palin does not use the September 3rd speech to make clear which way she is headed, I think she will accelerate the number of people holding out hope who decide to go all in for a different candidate. And I don’t think those people, finally frustrated enough to give up, will come back.

It will, however, give the media an extension on its ability to use Fred Thompson’s entry in 2008 as a useful storyline for 2012.

COMMENTS

  • http://BrentTeichman.wordpress.com Brent Teichman

    I agree with everything except that I believe the Palin ship has already sailed. This national strip tease that she’s been engaging in for the last 2 years has grown tiresome for most and downright nauseating for many. I love Sarah Palin. I have loved her since she first broke onto the national scene in 2008. I also believe she has a critical role to play in restoring our nation, but not in the 2012 presidential field. You may all now begin firing at me…

  • Ben Howe

    since you dared to give an objective analysis of her chances in primary season that didn’t include mentioning her as the last best hope for America and the only viable conservative on the stage.

  • johnconradarens

    by which a person must file their paperwork to appear on the ballot in Iowa and New Hampshire?

  • izoneguy

    Do you think she will do a Reagan and wait until November? Or get in at all?
    Or wait until 2016 or 2020 or 2024?

  • carolina

    I also think she has an important role to play in restoring our nation, and I think she is ‘feeling her way’ as to how best to do this. She is able to articulate the voice of many of our citizens – a voice that is often absent from the national political debate. She does not need to be a presidential candidate to do this. Supporting principles does not require her to endorse specific candidates……. it helps keep these principles in the minds of the voters. A more informed electorate is good for our nation.

  • carolina

    to get on the ballot in all 50 states

  • bk

    I don’t see the point of Palin running, given the field. Either it’s going to be Romney or it’s going to be a conservative. Perry brings to the table most of what Bachmann is lacking. What can Palin add, besides creating a three-way split in trying to overcome Romney? Splintering conservatives further just helps Romney in the end it seems to me, regardless of what any current poll says. It will enable Romney to sit back and relax, while Bachmann/Palin/Perry fight each other.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    anymore. She is not a politictian, she just plays on on tv so people will buy her book, or watch her movie, or watch her tv show, or her daughers tv show ect….

    I long for the day when we can move past the side show circuses and focus on what this is really going to boil down to.

  • azaeroprof

    I’m still saying 70% odds she gets in, but it won’t surprise me if I’m wrong. And thanks for the polling data (notwithstanding that its PPP). That confirms my suspicion that a Palin entry would not be a huge boon to Romney as some would claim.

    The one thing that bugs me particularly about this whole race is this whole meme that candidates shouldn’t bother getting in unless they look to vault to the top upon entry. Yes, it has happened to Perry, but I think that puts him in a risk position. While he may continue rising and ultimately secure the nomination, it also makes him a target and raises the possibility of a similarly meteoric fall if any of the mud sticks. As a Palinite, I’m actually not bothered in the least by her apparent (possible) entry in 3rd or 4th place. It lowers expectations for her, and like you said, she may be a target but has withstood a lot so far. Let’s remember that a presidential nominating process is a marathon, not a sprint. The process won’t tolerate a poor candidate or a poor campaign, and will reward a steady, disciplined candidate and campaign.

    And I stand by my comment that a Palin entry will dramatically increase interest in the whole process, which creates an opportunity for all of the major candidates. The worst thing that can happen, IMHO, is an early wrap to the process (regardless of whether it’s Romney, Perry or anyone else).

  • red_oakster

    If Palin runs, she can shake up the race. She will raise money and a meaningful group of dedicated volunteers immediately.

    Iowa is all about grass roots organizing. Only Bachmann has shown that she can do it (Paul just won’t be able to get much higher than his Ames numbers).

    If Palin gets in, it’s a distinct possibility that she could out-organize Perry in Iowa. Again, with activist allegiances still very fluid, polling is less important than organizing.

    Is it impossible to see Perry finish third behind both Palin and Bachmann? It seems at least plausible.

    Remember that if Perry loses Iowa that badly, he’s going to have a tougher time on Mitt’s turf in New Hampshire. Palin has the potential to sidetrack Perry’s locomotive. The Perry would be in a do or die situation in South Carolina with either Bachmann or Palin or both still in the race.

    Palin’s bigger challenge is when the race narrows to two candidates. At that point, if its Palin vs. Romney, it’s hard to see how Palin stops Romney from crushing her in blue and purple states.

    But I think Erick’s assumption that polling shows that Palin is unlikely to shake things up is questionable.

  • acat

    I’ve been practicing my “Mitt Romney is a true conservative, there’s nothing wrong with romneycare” speech in the mirror. I can get through most of it without laughing or crying….

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    for president has had to deal with a “derailment” of their campaign and had to figure out how to put it back on the tracks. Perry will be in a much stronger position if he has to do that during the primary process. I really don’t want him to run away with the nomination too easily or his campaign will not be sufficiently prepared for the Obama death machine that will hit in the general.

  • rubb

    Palin was a wonderful governor, and is a great motivator. She is not a viable candidate for President. I don’t think her shortcoming as a candidate is even her fault. She played along with the disaster that was the McCain campaign in 08, and the media did the job their masters wanted them to do. A large portion of the American electorate will not even consider voting for her in 2012, and it doesn’t matter what she says or does, it probably isn’t fair, it is just the truth. Governor Palin’s image was ruined by a combination of a bad campaign and a press that could care less about the truth. It is not going to change this election cycle. If she decides to go home and run for Senate or something, and does that job well, in 8 years or so, the public might be willing to take another look at her. I wish her the all the best, and hope she finds a away to stay in the fight to advance the conservative cause. Now all the Palin folks can scream at me, but it’s not personal with me, it is just reality

  • pantera

    She’ll officially announce at Alaskan state fair the same week.

    People will tune in because Sarah is in the debates and she will crush them all in intellect and charisma.

    Isn’t this election a divided delegate primary. Sarah will win larger majorities in non northeast states the mitt will in northeast states. ex: Georgia Palin 75% mitt 25%, Vermont Palin 42% mitt 58%.
    (I didn’t include Perry because it doesn’t bolster my point and the rest because they’ll be gone by Super Tuesday).

    Don’t forget the GOD factor. Sarah’s support for Israel is stronger then the others. He also has a way of uncovering those things hidden in darkness. (Who’s been vetted more then Sarah)

  • audax

    …and post it on RS! That would be must see viewing…LOL

  • Vegas_Rick

    if Sarah Palin did things on your time schedule and acted the way you think she should? If she can’t win the nomination, as you all suggest, who cares what she does? If you don’t like being strung along, quit asking the question.

    You would think she was out on a soap box every day shouting, “I might run, I might not.” She responds to questions asked by people looking for a headline aand trying to be noticed in the media. She answers accurately that she hasn’t made up her mind.

    Maybe she hasn’t gotten the memo from you all.

    For the record, I think she runs but does not get the nomination.

  • Vegas_Rick

    Isn’t it funny how we poo-poo the PPP polls until one of them supports our argument?

  • acat

    If she can?t win the nomination, as you all suggest, who cares what she does?

    I don’t care what she does. I do, however, care what percentage of her supporters would be sufficiently hacked off at her loss that they decide to go third-party, or decide to just stay home, as that cuts into the GOP’s ability to win.

    Mew

  • Vegas_Rick

    Not with Perry in the race. I believe he will get her supporters if she loses or doesn’t run. I also think the third party meme is waaaay over played.

  • acat

    against Gore (greens/Nader)
    against Bush 1.0 (reform/Perot)
    no change Reagan (Anderson)
    against Humphrey (American Independent/Wallace)

    and – as Nader and Perot proved, ya don’t even have to win much (or .. any) to have that tipping effect.

    Mew

  • Vegas_Rick

    if there isn’t a suitable small government/less spending candidate. As you know we have two or three viable ones. And, while you are very correct that third parties have impacted races in the past (and could this time) I think the only threat there is the Donald. And I don’t think he’s much of a threat.

  • Scope

    as I see it, is that despite Paul saying he wouldn’t do it, would change his mind and run on a third party ticket. His supporters have been trying to push him to that for awhile anyway, and he is out their claiming that he is surging in the polls. He says people are finally getting his message. It is his last shot at the WH, in his sunset years.

    Yes, I remember well the inauguration of Bill Clinton thanks to Ross Perot. As little as 5-6% of the votes can give Obama another term if our nominee doesn’t gain deep and abiding support from now until the nom. The less damaged our candidate can come out of the process, the stronger he will be against the Chicago thug machine. We don’t need ready made advertisements to hand to the Dems.

  • acat

    once Perry gets a little traction. The numbers section from that Ace of Spades article you read earlier, I think, showed that Perry eats quite a bit of Paul’s support. (yet another thing to like about Rick Perry .. and if it was a different article, you could go visit Ace and see if you see it…)

    If Perry is doing well by October, I don’t see Paul going third-party. Luap Nor’s only hope is to strangle the Perry campaign in its’ infancy… and Luap Nor is no KBH.

    Mew

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    NT

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    Does anyone have an extra trillion or so dollars I could borrow for a few months?

  • lineholder

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/24/quotes-of-the-day-781/

  • snappy101

    Can someone please tell me from where her big money would come knowing Independents would bolt if she was the candidate to face Obama?

  • conservative_dan

    not run in 2012, but should eventually back Perry. She campaigned for him as TX governor last time he ran. She ought to take a cabinet position in a Perry administration (Secretary of Interior???) and get more administrative experience to use in a future Presidential run. In the meantime she can work to cut regulation and put our own natural resources back to work for us.

  • conservative_dan

    She is the most authentic conservative even NEAR the race. I agree she should not run…..this time, but she is nonetheless a powerful political force.

  • http://www.thepurpleheart.com/recipient/RecipientDetails.aspx?wid=7f39cbbe-5213-4983-9702-50132a1c73 rsmith7042

    I am a Palinista. Every time the libtards attack her, I love her more. On the other hand she should have declared some tim e ago. I committed to Herman Cain and will remain committed until he wins or drops out.

  • Old lady

    The people are looking for a real leader not this rag tag bunch. Perry only maintained the status quo Texas . He has made some mistakes ie mandating shots for 9 yr and up girls to immunize against a sexually transmitted condition. Turns out there were problems with these shots. No politician should beleive themselvs above the parents rights to make these decisions. He is just another political hack as are the rest of them.. Iowa straw poll is not scientific and no one should hang their hat on it and it was a long stretch to validate this writers ramblings. GO Palin may liberals contitnue with their ravings as protrayed above.

  • gunslingr45

    is my understanding he did it because insurance was refusing to pay for it, so he sidestepped it. Not the best move but he fixed it.

    http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

  • grazibella

    When did you become a part of the establishment, Erik? You sound positively Rovian. It’s obvious Sarah Palin’s critics are trying to set her up on this Sept. 3 speech. It’s like you all got your talking points on the same day. This woman will not be pressured into announcing before she is ready. So cut the bs, already. We all know that you are not a fan of Gov. Palin’s. You can say you are until you are blue in the face, but your actions speak louder than your words. All the points you make will be taken care of by campaigning. There is no better retail politician than Sarah Palin. I’m not worried about a thing. But you should be.

  • bigbird101

    I agree with you Brent. She is more help bringing awareness to how important this election is for every American. She would only hamper the run for everyone else. Or maybe not???

  • bigbird101

    I too agree with what has already been said. Yes Saral Palin if formable but she is doing what needs to be done and bringing awareness to this historic election for every American.

  • pttx333

    nominee for President. Now is not the time, and I have witnessed no woman who could even begin to bring about the changes that are so desperately needed in this great nation. The next election is fish or cut bait, desperation time, and there should be no coy pussy-footing around, catch-me-if-you-can stunts that IMO seem to be occurring. Though I do like Sarah and Michele and believe they can be of great value elsewhere, I just don’t see them as President, nor do I see any other woman on the horizon who has what it takes to be President. It is going to take an extremely strong man to stop the insanity, and the only man this go-round who fits the bill for me is Perry.

    Thanks, Goldwater_Conservative, ditto here. I voted for him the first time I was old enough to vote in ’64!

  • pttx333

    The main reason I do not want a female President at this time is that I can just envision the good ol’ boy crowd (RINOs/Libs and lib women) in D.C. shouting “she’s just another hysterical female, etc.” and, given the shape we are in, there just isn’t time to allow them to stall with pulling silly stunts. In my view, it would be a distraction that we do not need.

  • flodnar

    I would hope for her to become the Secretary of the Interior. I would love to see Ken Salazar on a corner with his Cowboy hat soliciiting hand outs.

    Drill baby drill and save the Alaska Pipeline.

  • rickindenver

    This is part of the up hill battle that Governor Palin has to deal with, knuckleheads on the right that spread falsehoods spoon fed to them by the media! I for one will no longer stand by while a true conservative is attacked by innuendo, direct attack, idiocy or as in this case, spreading a falsehood to further some unknown agenda!