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The Horserace for September 2, 2011

IA Caucus: Feb. 6, 2012
NH Primary: Feb. 14, 2012
NV Caucus: Feb. 18, 2012
SC Primary: Feb. 28, 2012

It’s time to step back a bit and expand the horserace out. Why? There are five debates coming up in rapid succession. A lot of people think if someone unexpected has a knockout performance the person could be revitalized and get back in the game.

I actually think the more likely scenario is to take people out via debates, not put people back in. But Newt Gingrich did get a bump in some places after his last polling. It won’t help, but he got to call himself the come back kid. Michele Bachmann is trending down right now. Rick Perry looks to be the front runner, but I don’t think he is.

Let’s go through all the candidates today. All of them. No man out or listed as “former.” Where do I see them all? Here we go.


Michele Bachmann

Interestingly, the first attack ad out against Rick Perry is from Michele Bachmann, not Mitt Romney. It did not come directly from the Bachmann campaign, but from a Super PAC supporting Bachmann. It does suggest some worry there. But there is more for Bachmann to be worried about. She has lost traction in Iowa.

I’ve spent a lot of time talking to people on the ground in Iowa and South Carolina in the past week and there is a sense among activists on the ground that Bachmann is starting to fade. It is not that they do not like her. In fact, they love her. But there is a creeping sense that she cannot beat Obama and they want someone who can beat Obama.

Right now that is working to Rick Perry’s favor, but there is no guarantee he can keep it up. Bachmann needs to avoid gaffes in the coming debates. That has worked against her with this growing sense, though fostered by the media, setting into people’s minds that Bachmann’s mouth gets her in trouble.

Given her past debate performances, she is going to shine. The question is whether she shines enough to overcome the perception that she cannot win. It’s a nebulous feeling and nebulous how to fix something like it. But the sense is there among the grassroots now and it is dragging her down in the polls.


Herman Cain

When the other candidates were in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Florida this past week, Herman Cain went to Israel. I interviewed him this week about it and two things struck me. First, Herman sold it as a fact finding mission and attending the Glenn Beck rally. But Herman did not speak at the Beck rally. Second, while a fact finding mission and the ability to talk about who he saw and what he learned is really awesome, most candidates do that before actually getting into the race.

Spending resources to go to Israel during the middle of a campaign is not a good use of time, talent, or treasure. Compounding that is going to the Beck rally and getting minimal media exposure out of it. There is a general sense in the media, frustrating to the Cain camp, that his time is over.

There are five debates and Cain is a great debater. The PPP poll shows him in fourth place in South Carolina. If he hits it out of the park, he’s going to get a bounce. But with the media and public (reflected in Herman’s declining poll numbers) of the opinion he never made it into the top tier, he’s going to be fighting for attention.


Newt Gingrich

Newt is calling himself the come back kid. Ironic considering that’s what the media called Bill Clinton in 1992.

Newt calls himself this because after the Iowa debate, Newt bumped up in Louisiana and Missouri, among other places. First of all, those state polls are irrelevant this far out. He has to do well in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. He is not.

Gingrich is also out of money. My guess is he wants to hang on as long as possible, hope these five debates get him elevated enough in the polls that when the primaries come around he can get some matching funds to pay off campaign debt. That seems to be the only rationale left for the Gingrich campaign, i.e. he cannot afford to get out of the race now.

As I’ve said repeatedly, expect Gingrich to shine in the debates. He does well in debates. Debating and speaking are not his problems. Everything else is. And everything outside the debates has kept and will keep Newt Gingrich from being the nominee.


Jon Huntsman

I still can’t figure out Jon Huntsman. His economic plan is deeply conservative and pro-growth. But everything else about him is a nothing burger. He has positioned himself as the guy to go to if you don’t like Romney or Perry, but there are not enough people outside the press and D.C. establishment to go to him. He barely has a pulse in Iowa, South Carolina, or New Hampshire.

The slow and steady approach did Tim Pawlenty in, but Pawlenty at least had some incremental increases in the polls. Huntsman is the opposite. The longer he stays in, the further down he goes. He is now polling less than Gary Johnson.

His economic plan puts me more at ease with him, but his rhetoric against his own base is appalling and I don’t see him shining in the debates. The first debate he was in he made the “prayer” crack about Perry and did not come across well in exchanges. He may have the pretty image on the trail, but that worked out well for John Edwards too.


Gary Johnson

Johnson is not worth spending time on. He has gone no where and his polling higher than Huntsman by a point is largely a matter of the margin of error. He will not be the nominee.


Thad McCotter

Thad McCotter is a good man, but he is not going to be the nominee. He has done nothing substantive to crack into the race, make a name for himself, or poll high enough to really even get into the debates. Given his musical background, he could perhaps use the Gibson guitar story to make a name for himself, but nothing suggests it would be more than a flash then fade.


Sarah Palin

I absolutely do not think Sarah Palin is running.

This past week suggests to me that if she runs her staff relationship will be her own worst enemy. She has some great, great staffers, which is why I cannot fathom how the hullabaloo over the Iowa speech got out of control. First, her staff gave reporters the impression the speech was cancelled. Then it was just on hold. Then it was back on again. Then on hold. Then back on again.

It was not a media hit job. It was a major miscommunication. Compounding it was the Palin echo chamber of supposed Palin prophets trying to divine her every move who were reduced to babbling about “unless you hear it from Palin herself, don’t believe it.”

Governor Palin is either running for President or she is not. Either way, if we cannot hear things from her staff and take it on face value, there is a serious micro-management problem that is going to trip her up. Governor Palin first needs to decide whether or not she is running and let us all know. Right now, the biggest problems Sarah Palin has on the way to the White House, if she were to go, is a perception that there are internal managerial problems such as what led to this past week’s issues and then, even more so, the most aggressive Palin fans who have become worse than a lot of Ron Paul fans. They have made it about Palin the person, not the policies. At least Ron Paul supporters have the gold standard and, at least a good portion of them, a shared hatred of Israel.

Sarah Palin is a great asset to the Republican Party. Running for President would disrupt her position and, while it might emboldened a core group of supporters increasingly detected from reality the more they’ve made it about Palin the person instead of the policies, every poll from the Fox poll to the CNN poll to the Gallup poll and more show the long perceived tease of “will she or won’t she” has hurt her chances and the public — the Republican base — would now prefer she not get in.

That adds another hurtle to the already high hurtles she’d face if she did get in.


Ron Paul

Ron Paul will not be the nominee.


Rick Perry

Rick Perry is not the front runner. I know his campaign is cool with you saying he is. And I know the media says he is. There are signs he is becoming the front runner. Typically, the front runner is the guy who beats Obama in the polling and polling is starting to show Perry not at parity with Obama, but ahead of Obama.

Here’s why he is not the front runner though — he has not been on the debate stage yet. And when he gets there, a lot of fire will be trained on him. If Perry can withstand the fire and hold his own, he is the front runner. In fact, if Perry makes it through September relatively unscathed, he is the nominee. But he has to survive September. People are starting to pay attention to the field and attacks will start to resonate more than they have.

Perry does have one unique advantage in the field — the Goldilocks effect on spending. Huh?

Well, the left has given up trying to say Perry had a budget deficit because they can’t. He signed a balanced budget for a two year period and for the first time scaled back the size and scope of government in Texas. So the left’s approach is to attack Perry now for substantial cuts hurting the poor.

Contrast that with the Bachmann Super PAC attacking Perry for “doubling spending in ten years.” So which is it? Has he blown up spending or cut it back to hurt the poor? He’s Goldilocks on this issue.


Mitt Romney

Here is Mitt’s problem — people want to support someone else. In head to head matches within the GOP, Romney loses to both Bachmann and Perry. He is perceived as the establishment candidate in a year when the GOP wants nothing to do with the establishment. He is seen as the centrist candidate and voters remember him as the conservative alternative in 2008. So the base is having a collective “WTF” moment on who MItt Romney is. That makes them less willing to support him.

Compounding this is that outside of lobbyists and hired guns, Romney has no natural constituency this year.

He is left to use the Obama attack on Perry that Perry had nothing to do with job creation in Texas. The problem for Romney and Obama is two fold — first, for Romney, to make this line of attack, he is going to have to ignore his record in Massachusetts and run as “Bain Capital” in a year when folks on the left and right both hate Wall Street. Second, for Obama, if Perry had nothing to do with job creation in Texas then Bill Clinton had nothing to do with job creation in the U.S. back in the 90′s. Notice how the old Clinton hands are not taking up this argument.

It puts Romney in an awkward position.

The better position for Romney is to go after Perry as the career politician — a line that I think will resonate more. The problem for Romney here too is that he would be a career politician except he kept losing elections. Still, it is a better approach than trying to tell the world Perry, as Governor for a decade, can’t take credit for being Chief Executive of Texas.

The other Romney problem is his well known stiffness on the campaign trail. He’s now forced to compete with another tier one candidate — the first real match for Romney in tier one — and the competitor is routinely referred to by Democrats as the “Republican Bill Clinton,” not for his personal life, but because of his ability to connect with people on the campaign trail. Romney is not a retail politician. He is an executive.

This just seems less and less to be Romney’s year. If he gets it, it won’t be because people are excited about MItt Romney. It’ll be because the GOP had to settle for Romney, partly through attacks Romney leveled at the voters’ preferred alternatives. Not exactly a way to win friends and influence people.

For all the talk about this election being about “beating Obama,” the base still would rather have someone they love, not what would amount to an arranged marriage.


Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum will not be the nominee. He’s great on social issues. He has a terrible fiscal record in the Senate. Fiscal records are key right now. Rick Santorum cannot win.

Listing of Presidential candidates
I consider “former” candidates

(in order of being dropped)

Gary Johnson
Rick Santorum
Thad McCotter
Newt Gingrich
Tim Pawlenty
Herman Cain

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  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Erick, I love you to death, but this whole “Perry’s not the front runner” meme is getting a little old.

    Clearly he’s the frontrunner. Just as Reagan was not polling as well as others in 1980, Perry is the guy EVERYONE thinks is too conservative.

    The man is a fundraising machine. He’s never lost an election. Has he been tried in a debate? No, but given his talents, is there really any doubt a man who has mastered the art of the campaign, as opposed to mastering the art of the policy wonkishness a al Paul Ryan, is going to do well in a debate?

    Seriously…enough. Mitt will make a good Treasury Secretary, with Perry and Rubio at the head of the ticket.

    This game is already called…you heard it hear first.

  • Whacker77

    The new Fox poll is crushing for Palin. Around 74% of Republicans do not want her to run for president. More amazingly, 66% of Tea Party members don’t want her to run for president. Women, by 77%, say she should not run either.

    I’m sure those numbers might move in Palin’s direction slightly if she decided to run, but it certainly seems that any run by her would be a kamakazi mission. No matter where you look, she doesn’t have much support. At this point, she only hurts the Republican nominee by running.

    What’s also interesting about the poll is there is near uniformity in the number of people who don’t want her to run. Regardless of the breakdown, around 75% of respondants don’t want her to run. That is just terrible for her.

    As Erick noted, this dust up Palin had this week about the Iowa speech is just more confirmation of her diva status. She created O’Donnell, but she demanded O’Donnell not get near her. She also strings along her loyal supporters only to her own gain. Each day seems to confirm shes as much about improving herself as the cause.

  • romeg

    It has been relatively easy for Perry to win in TX and his 10 year tenure (Is there an echo in here) as governor gives him the executive experience that most American voters crave (Which is why I believe that the GOP ticket was upside in ’08 but that’s a debate for another day). His track record on jobs, whether he can be shown to be directly responsible or not, is a tremendous plus in his favor.

    But even with his Hollywood good looks and Presidential bearing, if he can’t carry the day in the debates or if he is gaffe prone, it won’t get him across the goal line.

    Whether he is in the cross hairs (has that metaphor been banned) during the debates may well tell the story. Mitt had managed to dodge the bullets while holding onto the lead prior to Perry’s entry while not saying very much beyond defending Romneycare in MA. Perry is not likely to have Mitt’s luck in that regard.

    My sense is that just as McCain was the Media’s choice for the GOP nominee in ’08, Romney and/or Huntsman are their choice/s for ’12. I believe there is a media bias against Perry and they will attempt to diminish his stature going forward while attempting to elevate Romney and Huntsman.

    The debates will, ultimately, tell the story.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    But an untested one. Kind of a meaningless moniker.

    Perry is now going to be tested. He will have to have swift feet and swifter answers for many of his old statements. That is where the real challenge occurs. Just like we saw with Trump and Bachmann, time helps show weaknesses.

    Perry has a good chance. Romney is the nominee only if everyone else fails to meet the ‘electability’ test. Everyone else is running behind right now.

  • sharp

    Since you go alphabetically, I’ll use Bachmann as an example.
    “In fact, they love her. But there is a creeping sense that she cannot beat Obama and they want someone who can beat Obama.”

    I have to believe that Obama will lose to the Republican nominee. So, from that perspective, does it change your assessment of her status?

    The question is: can she beat Romney, or Perry, or whoever else surges into the lead – not can she beat Obama?

    Does that change your assessment (of each candidate)?

    ONE other request: If Romney wins the nomination, Trump will probably get in as an independent. You might want to include him in the horserace.

  • acat

    I don’t see the moniker as meaningless, exactly .. more like a bullseye. “The one to hit”. Pawlenty, for instance, is out of the race in part because he didn’t hit Romney when he had a clear shot.

    Mew

  • NeoKong

    It will be interesting to see how he can handle some direct fire next week.
    He needs to do better than adequate.
    He needs to impress and stand out.

    Nobody except the media and Washington want Romney. I don’t think he could even carry Massachusetts. He left us hanging.
    I honestly do not understand how he has managed to do so well in the polls.

    As much as I love Gov. Palin she has been stringing us along long enough.
    In or out sweetheart….?
    Let’s go. Chop chop.
    This Secret Squirrel stuff is getting old.

    I love Bachmann too but she ain’t heavy enough to pull it off.
    She is more like future cabinet material.

    I think Huntsman is a secret spoiler.
    Don’t trust him.

    Newt..I would say “Sorry big fella’ but your time has come and gone.”
    Can’t get past the couch thing or the Scozzafava thing even though I think he is super smart.
    Plus the media despises him down to their soul.
    They would rip him to shreds.

    Everybody else is a nice guy and everything bluh blah blah but let’s face it, they have as about as much a chance as Al Sharpton. They are just some extra faces on stage with no shot at all.

    Thank you for playing and here are some lovely parting gifts.

  • rightwingmom52

    would you rather your team be ranked #1 or #2 in the pre-season polls? I’ve always preferred #2 because it motivates the team, not to mention if you’re #1 and falter, then everybody says you’re not as good as they thought you were. It’s a better strategy to be #2 until you win the championship, which in this case, is scheduled for November, 2012.

    And in honor of the start of college football, “Go Big Orange!” and “Roll Tide!” Yes, I live in a mixed household.

  • Tbone

    why would anyone think he can beat a race horse like Perry?

  • barleycorn

    This race is Rick Perry’s to lose. I don’t care if you call him “front runner” or not, he is in the lead and will win the nomination absent a horrific debate performance or some sort of October Surprise.

  • septembergurl

    in the areas that are non-negotiable for me — and those are taxes and economic policy, abortion and gun rights — is the reason he is my preferred candidate and has been from the beginning.

    Other issues are important – immigration, for example – but not as key as the above three.

    The economic plan is out and it is very conservative, very pro-growth, and the kind of bold action we need.

    Abortion: In a field that contains Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul and possibly Sarah Palin, Huntsman may be the most pro-life of the field.

    “Huntsman may be the pro-life cause?s most accomplished executive. He signed bills banning second-trimester abortions, reclassifying third-trimester abortions as a third-degree felony, and requiring abortion providers to explain the pain unborn children can experience during abortion. He signed a trigger law that would ban abortion outright if Roe is overturned. He opposes embryonic stem-cell research. And by establishing a state legal fund to defend these laws, he showed willingness to uphold state prerogatives.”

    Huntsman and his wife have seven children, including daughters adopted from India and China, societies where girls are routinely murdered in the womb or left to die. He walks the walk.

    Gun rights:
    “And Huntsman expanded the rights of Utah gun-owners, abolishing some concealed-carry restrictions and allowing for more transport of firearms on Utah?s roads. He even signed a bill that would grant small-game hunting licenses to children under 12.”

    (Quotes from an article in American Conservative, well worth reading btw, which points out that JH is a conservative, but not an ideologue.)

    I am pleased that JH has finally made a contribution to the Republican primary — possibly too late to make him the nominee, but worthwhile.

  • septembergurl

    in the areas that are non-negotiable for me — and those are taxes and economic policy, abortion and gun rights — is the reason he is my preferred candidate and has been from the beginning.

    Other issues are important – immigration, for example – but not as key as the above three.

    The economic plan is out and it is very conservative, very pro-growth, and the kind of bold action we need.

    Abortion: In a field that contains Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul and possibly Sarah Palin, Huntsman may be the most pro-life of the field.

    “Huntsman may be the pro-life cause?s most accomplished executive. He signed bills banning second-trimester abortions, reclassifying third-trimester abortions as a third-degree felony, and requiring abortion providers to explain the pain unborn children can experience during abortion. He signed a trigger law that would ban abortion outright if Roe is overturned. He opposes embryonic stem-cell research. And by establishing a state legal fund to defend these laws, he showed willingness to uphold state prerogatives.”

    Huntsman and his wife have seven children, including daughters adopted from India and China, societies where girls are routinely murdered in the womb or left to die. He walks the walk.

    Gun rights:
    “And Huntsman expanded the rights of Utah gun-owners, abolishing some concealed-carry restrictions and allowing for more transport of firearms on Utah?s roads. He even signed a bill that would grant small-game hunting licenses to children under 12.”

    (Quotes from an article in American Conservative, well worth reading btw, which points out that JH is a conservative, but not an ideologue.)

    I am pleased that JH has finally made a contribution to the Republican primary — possibly too late to make him the nominee, but worthwhile.

    I can support any of the current field, except Romney. Yes even Ron Paul!

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Let’s call this like it is. In a perfect world, Sarah Palin would be our nominee and would win in a landslide.

    I love the woman. But she is objectively unelectable. And moreover, I’m not even certain she should be elected. A Wasilla mayor, and a half term as governor of a state that at least 48 others (I’m excluding Hawaii for the same reasons) see as not much more than outlying “colonies” does not qualify one for high office.

    Would she do a phenomenal job? Absolutely. She knows how to work both internal GOP politics as well as interparty relationships to achieve mutual ends. But if someone came after me personally for 4 years, and my children, and my spouse, and questioned the motives of so much as my very bowel movements, I can’t help but think that after such an extended assault, I might think it worthy to run for president just to piss off the very people who’ve made it their career to destroy me and my family, if for no other reason than to mess with them.

    The revenge would taste sweet, but the damage to the GOP and conservative movement would be vast. I know there are those that will support Sarah to her dying breath, knowing she has been wronged by a media and Chicago-based political machine that saw her as enemy number One, as she is the living embodiment of their hypocrisy and failed ideology. All of which is true.

    No one in the history of this nation has been so unfairly maligned by a concerted effort of the opposition than Sarah Palin.

    In in this sense, her greatest attribute to the cause of liberty, freedom, and smaller, limited government, will be that of Martyr. For she is the target upon which the Left cannot cease but to take aim, as it ignores everything else around it. She is the object of media attention that pop diva’s can only hope to aspire to. She is the “red cape” in the bullring of political discourse that no other candidate can hope to be…but which allows other candidates to be subjected to fewer lies, false accusations, and innuendo than they might otherwise be.

    In other words, she is our lightening rod. And just as lightening rods protect the trees and structures on which they are placed, they suffer grievously in so doing.

    If the GOP is successful in 2012, we will owe it to Sarah Palin, who deflected so much of the media’s attention to whatever she was doing that they were preoccupied with creating lies and distortions about whoever the GOP nominee is.

    In her speaking roles, she excels. In her media persona, she is without peer. And in her unwavering support for conservative causes, she is second to none.

    But she will be, and cannot be our nominee. Why? Because she is as supremely unqualified for that office as the current resident, to whom we figured “on the job training” was good enough., and which turned out (to the great “unwashed” masses in flyover country that only start paying attention to elections the day before voting) to be a huge mistake.

    We can and will do better in 2012. Rick Perry so far has my vote, but thousand things can change over the next year. But one thing that cannot change is Sarah Palin’s political reputation and future. She is our martyr…our “Joan of Arc” if you will.

    But she will never be President.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    As an alum of the University of Virgina, I’ve never been able to relate to football analogies. When I started, we were ranked only behind Northwest as the worst team in the country. Then George Welch started and we became competitive. But rankings never held anything for me…disappointment was always the Victor in the end anyway…LOL!

  • Locked and Loaded

    I like Alabama pretty well too.

    But I want it all – Crimson and Cream.

    BOOMER SOONER!

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    n/t

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    sigh…

  • westcoastpatriette

    her run is premature mainly due to her lack of executive experience and there is too much at stake for people to feel comfortable with giving her a chance. It will be interesting to watch how she handles herself in the debates, though, and I think she will come out of the race relatively unscathed leaving her well-positioned for future races.

    I already see a win for Perry. Romney reminds me of Meg Whitman who, in spite of spending around $100,000,000.00 of her own money in her campaign for Governor here in California, was unable to connect with people and lost in spite of running against a terrible opponent

    Perry does have that Bill Clinton-type charisma and his boldness is something the GOP is longing for. In spite of some big blunders and questionable stances he has taken in Texas, I think he has the ability to win people over and instill the confidence people will need to vote for him.

    That’s my view, for what it’s worth.

  • pantera

    Sarah lit a fire under the TEA organizers and they got their event in order very quickly. I like her because she is the true conservative reformer. She would stand on Reagan’s shoulders and restore the American Spirit. Constitutional Conservatism is the answer. No doubt that 3 yrs of liberal media bashing has taken it’s toll but what else can the say that they haven’t already said.Plus she would run a positive,uplifting campaign.If she doesn’t run I’ll be pissed and feel manipulated.

    Perry is the front runner and will do fine in debates. That’s what he does. If Palin doesn’t get in he’ll be the nominee the day after super Tuesday. If she does, it’s going to be a long summer for Perry,Sarah,Mitt.

    Romney is this cycles mccain. The establishment guy.His numbers have topped and as other candidates drop out they won’t be going to Mitt.

    Bachman I like and would be my 3rd choice.

  • bobojake

    I hope and pray that most of them end up in Cabinet postions for the next Republican President who take Office in Janurary 2013.

  • acat

    “If she doesn?t run I?ll be pissed and feel manipulated.” means?

    My reasoning has been that if Palin runs and loses, many of her supporters would stay home, rather than support Romney. Some would stay home rather than support Perry or Bachmann.

    If she decides not to run but instead backs someone – let’s suppose Perry since they seem most ideologically similar – does your sentiment above keep you home on election day?

    Mew

  • westcoastpatriette

    Didn’t factor her in as I don’t think she will run. But if she does I’ll have to reassess the race.

    At least this is not a boring primary and for that I am glad.

  • Bill S

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  • acat

    She can turn around and spend her POTUS campaign war chest and elevated media profile to defeat the Dem incumbent, and be another strong Conservative voice in the Senate.

    There are, in fact, a lot of opportunities like this going into 2012. Santorum’s another candidate who can do exactly the same thing – use the POTUS money to win back “his” senate seat in PA. (or try, anyway)

    It helps that there are a lot more Dem incumbents running in purple states in 2012, of course.

    Mew

  • streiff

    we have three announced candidates that I’d feel good about voting for, and maybe even sending money to, rather than just voting against someone like 2008

  • westcoastpatriette

    nt

  • Whacker77

    This has been my thought all along on Romney. McCain beat. He’s just not a good campaigner and there’s no real energy behind him. He’s the ultimate backup date.

  • Whacker77

    To compare Palin in any governing sense to Reagan is a joke. Let’s not forget who Ronald Reagan was.

    First, he was the head of the SAG and fought hard to root out communism in that group.

    After that he became politically active and led the charge against socialized health care.

    He then fully entered the political sphere when he gave his “Time for Choosing” speech on behalf of Goldwater.

    Next he became one of the most successful two term governors in California history.

    After that, he became a prolific writer and speaker on behalf of the conservative movement. On Youtube, you can watch him debate the Panama Canal Treaty.

    Finally, he became a successful president of the United States.

    On the other hand Palin quit her job as governor half way through her term, did a TLC reality show, issues policy pronouncements on Facebook, and runs around the country giving speeches full of platitudes.

  • azaeroprof

    In our household, it’s a mixed bag as well:

    Boiler Up!
    Hokie Hokie Hokie Hi! Tech Tech VPI!
    War D*mn Eagle!

  • jaykitsap

    I was so thrilled when McCain picked Palin, but his handlers botched the entire thing. By the end of the campaign, a majority thought she was a liability.

    Sarah is clearly more qualified than BHO, but neither are qualified to be president. However, Sarah has some wonderful qualities that make her an excellent campaigner and will be a huge asset for the GOP if she positions herself properly. Running for President is not her calling this year.

    If she wants to return to politics, run for the Senate.

  • onemovoter

    I do think Bachmann could flip to the senate race and win there, that would be an awesome addition to the US Senate.

    Santorum though doesn’t have much money at all, He was at $400k-ish during the Iowa straw poll. If he could switch to the Senate race that would be good although his record in the senate is not that great. IIRC he followed the establishment line more often than not.

    We need 13 US Senate wins to get the 60, or 4 to get a slight majority, but we seriously need much more so the RINO’s don’t end up flipping back and forth. I’d really love to see Rubio as VP, but that takes away from the Senate. There would have to be a Rubio clone appointed before I could get behind a Rubio VP.

  • edintexas

    Anyone who believes in Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) can not be Conservative. Period. Huntsman believes in AGW, though in his favor I think he might believe in it less than Algore – but then again Algore is making money out of his belief, Huntsman is not. Who’s the dummy there?

  • edintexas

    We understand you detest Palin, but she did more than just quit the Governorship halfway through her term. And I doubt you would have stayed that long given the attacks she, and her family, were undergoing.

    And no, if she entered the race, I would probably not vote for her in the primary.

  • septembergurl

    Mitt was for it before he was against it — I don’t even know what his latest position is. Newt sat on the couch with Nancy and lectured us. Pawlenty introduced his own crap and tax bill as governor. Even the divine Sarah talked about it. If that’s your litmus test you’re going to disqualify half the candidates.

    It’s a dead issue, no candidate is going to push it.

    Sorry for the double post.

  • acat

    …and 400k is nothing to sneeze at……

    I think we easily get to 4. The question is how close to 13 … and every strong conservative we put in helps more than every RINO.

    That said, it takes a minimum of 3 cycles to flip the Senate .. more to flip it ideologically. That’s one of the key reasons I like Perry – he’s vetoed the GOP-majority Texas legislature, and .. since we’re very likely to have majority leader McConnell (R-CheapSuit) we need a White House that’ll say “Ummm, no.”…

    Perry fits this. Romney does not. Bachmann is too unknown. Paul would more likely be saying “Let’s all sing kumbaya and close our bases in Europe”…

    Mew

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    a much much stronger field than in 2008. Even some of those who I don’t think are quite ready for prime time, like Herman Cain, might have a great future if they run or serve in some other offices.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    Hey Folks,

    Can we go easy on Romney for a bit here? The term “RINO” is thrown around here way too casually. At the end of the day – politics is about addition not subtraction. RINO should really be reserved for the Lincoln Chafees and Charlie Crists not for folks who have actually fought the good fight in states that aren’t in the Deep South.

    It would be interesting to take a look at some of the old threads back when Chris Christie was running in a GOP primary against some guy named Steve Lonegan. Many of you here also bashed Christie as a “RINO” and urged support for Lonegan – another guy who has run a lot and have never won anything – I guess that’s a great way to not become part of the “establishment” – just keep losing. Luckily the “RINO” in the race, Christie, did win as Lonegan would have lost to Corzine, and Christie’s brashness and plain spoken, confrontational style as Governor was really what enabled the Scott Walker’s and John Kasich’s to move the needle even farther in confronting the public employee unions.

    The simple moral of the story is that all anti-establishment candidates are NOT created equal. Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, and Rand Paul are/were non-establishment candidates that were also electable, didn’t scare middle of the road voters in their states and could articulate their positions to both the electorate and through the media.

    The non-establishment Sharon Angle beat a couple of “establishment” folks in the primary, and then proved to be an absolutely horrible candidate that pissed away many millions and a great opportunity to beat the most odious man in America, Harry Reid. There was also Ken Buck in the very key state of Colorado. Again – on the pages of Red State – former LG Jane Norton was trashed as a RINO (and looking back, why?), and Ken Buck proved that a couple of dumb comments in the last few weeks of a campaign really can cause a candidate to totally blow a very winnable race to an ineffectual, inarticulate boob like Michael Benett. BTW – I donated to both Buck and Angle because I wanted to win those seats.

    And don’t even get me started on Christine O’Donnell, a jobless, yet perennial gadfly candidate who was so bad – that she probably hurt Pat Toomey’s numbers in the Philadelphia area. And then there is Sarah Palin – if Palin were a serious person, she would have gone back to Alaska, put her head down, and worked hard to have some key accomplishments – much like people named Jindal, Haley, Kasich, Walker, Christie, Sandoval, Martinez, Snyder, McDonnell et al are doing now. So maybe its time to forget about Palin and focus on the next wave of our bench mentioned above.

    To circle back, Mitt Romney is more moderate than a lot of folks here on RedState, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a conservative. However, please cut him some slack – as calling him a RINO and also comparing him to John McCain just isn’t right – as I would like to see someone here show me where in his past, has Romney ever used conservatives as foil the way McCain did back in 1999 – 2004 to ingratiate himself with the liberal media. I support Romney because at the end of the day he did work in the private sector for most of his life, demonstrated real executive leadership and turnaround skills with his stewardship of the Salt Lake City Games (additional challenge of being just months after 9/11 as well) and governed mainly as a conservative in Massachusetts (with some imperfections of course – Perry has them too). Most importantly, Romney is smart and articulate and will cream Obama in the debates. The election will be won or lost in the suburbs outside Milwaukee, Denver, Philadelphia, Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland and Orlando – and I think we need a candidate that can appeal to fiscally conservative, yet socially moderate folks that reside there – I think that guy is Romney. Of course, I will wholeheartedly support Perry if he is our nominee – but lets just remember what our goal is here, and thats to beat Obama. Have a nice long weekend.

  • Raven

    And no one else that matters (not that anyone else matters, anyway…)

  • renny

    But at the moment, she is doing fine driving the media nuts.

  • florida772

    america needs a pragmatic leader, not a career politician like perry

  • rightwingmom52

    Penn State is a fave. Joe P. is a class act.

  • BigRedConservative

    Perry is a more palatable, less gaffe-prone conservative. Huntsman is coming up with the good ideas. Mitt Romney is the “pragmatic moderate”. Bachmann has no “niche” to fill. Currently, she attempts to portray herself as a social conservative, but keeps on saying stupid things (comparing herself to John Wayne Gacy, being “submissive” to her husband…). As a friend aptly said “she only takes her foot out of her mouth to put the other one in”

    Right now she is stagnating, running on momentum. If I want to vote for a social conservative (and this year fiscal comes first) then I’d much rather vote Santorum. I expect to see her bow out (gracefully or not) sooner rather than later.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Are you aware…that as governor of California, in 1968… before Roe v.Wade,… Ronald Reagan supported a law which allowed women to abort fetuses in whatever trimester? I can spell out the particulars, but would such a candidate today pass muster?

    The answer is emphatically no.

    That Ronald Reagan is no longer “good enough” means this party is leaving me.

  • pineros

    Erick says of Palin “staffers gave reporters impression”… blah blah blah.
    What is this? Is this a guess? Is this fact? How does Erick know this… from reading Politico, RCP, CNN, FOX… where does this bit of information come from?

    I never saw any article stating that a named person said anything. This is just the same as those “anonymous” trashes from last week. Its easy to say things when you don’t give any names for attribution and it is all someone close to someone says.

    Erick… your establishment candidate is just that. A regular, establishment candidate. If you don’t understand Sarah Palin, then too bad. But lets just see where we are at in 6 months.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Her residence claim in AZ is brilliant, and I will support her 1000%….give me 12 years of productive senatorial experience (a mere 2 terms) and I will send you money by the bucketloads,

    But ask me for a single dollar for President? No…Not now, not yet…Sarah Palin may be our future, But we are a generation away from that happening.,

    When her daughter is Mayor of Wasilla, then and only then do we have a viable nominee,,,,

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Palin may endorse him, and her faithful will be milked for fundraising, but the national GOP will put an unmistakable firewall between the two, don’tcha know.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Shazam.

  • runner12

    You articulated very well my sentiments regarding Palin.

    I think she would make a great Senator.

  • carolina

    I hope he does extremely well in the debate(s).

  • carolina

    I hope he does extremely well in the debate(s).

  • azaeroprof

    Though I must admit that every time I see him coaching, I think of the movie “Weekend at Bernie’s” and wonder if he’s really still alive! ;)

    I do hope he retires soon, though, so that Frank Beamer can take over the title as the coach with the longest tenure at this current school.

  • azaeroprof

    I would definitely support her. But I wonder if the “carpetbagger” thing would hurt her much here.

    But I would seriously pay to see a senate campaign of Palin vs Giffords, though I suspect it wouldn’t work out the way I’d want. If Giffords is well enough and wants that seat, we’ll have a hard time stopping her.

  • acat

    given the number of residents who weren’t born there, the response to “Carpetbagger!” is “No, snowbird!”.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It would be interesting to see her against Flake. I doubt Giffords will be up to running and even if she is, I think the key will be how bad Obama’s numbers are and who’s running against him. I think we’ve got the possibility of the biggest coattail election in history if TheWon continues to suck more wind.

  • cwilson

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  • bk

    From Romney: that Perry is a career politician.

    That’s a lie, plain and simple. He didn’t get into politics at all until age 34 and wasn’t a full-time politician until age 40. Texas legislators are part-timers.

    From Perry: that Romneycare disqualifies Romney.

    After all his arguments over states rights, Perry needs to tread carefully here. He can argue it makes it appear that Romney is a bit too comfortable with big government solutions, but he can’t say he knows better than Romney what was right for Massachusetts.

  • bk

    He spent a LOT of time and effort helping Republicans across the country in 2010 and probably before that. Of course it wasn’t 100% altruistic – he’s hoping for the favor to be returned now – but he certainly should get credit for all the work he did for candidates of the party. While we’ve often rightfully b*tched about the NRSC/RNC/etc., Mitt was out there out of the national limelight doing lots of good.

  • izoneguy

    I don’t know what the pay was when Perry was in the Texas Legislature.

    State legislators in Texas make $600 per month, or $7,200 per year, plus a per diem of $150 for every day the Legislature is in session (also including any special sessions). That adds up to $28,200 a year for a regular session (140 days).

    I hope Romney does bring that up.
    Rick can say “Mitt, do you know how long the Texas Legislature session is?
    Do you know how much they get paid?”

    By contrast the Massachusetts Legislature gets paid $58,237.15/year + per diem.

  • acat

    during 2010 for Romney to be doing something…and never saw a peep. Not a blip. Nada.

    Mew

  • acat

    for one who’s lost quite a few, but who happens to have done some work on Wall Street?

    You’ll pardon me for questioning your logic.

    Waffling ain’t pragmatic, it’s weak. We’ve got enough cheap suits in the gutless D.C. wing of the GOP, we don’t need another one.

    Mew

  • bk

    This example gives a bit of a summary.

    This one covers the money angle.

  • florida772

    what about hpv vaccinations, immigration, Cameron Todd Willingham , etc
    Romney is a much stronger candidate than rick “pay to play” perry

  • rightwingmom52

    These issues have been covered extensively in other redstate diaries. Here’s a great place to start. Perry or just search Rick Perry in the google box at the top of this page and read the diaries in the results.

  • hweila

    If that were an accurate portrayal of what Reagan had done, he wouldn’t have been acceptable to conservative voters in 1980.

    In 1967 Reagan signed a law that allowed for abortions only in cases where the “well-being” of the mother threatened. Reagan, at the time a completely inexperienced legislator in his first months of public office, believed the law would apply to only those instances where the mother’s life was in jeopardy and the like and didn’t realize how that language could be abused to justify almost any abortion. Reagan was horrified by the consequences of the law and expressed that as soon as he saw how the law was actually being used.

    Reagan was always pro-life, and this never became an issue during his Presidential runs because there was no doubt in the public’s mind that he was Pro-Life because of long and how consistently he had held to the view.

    The closest paralell to this during the present cycle would Perry’s time as a Democrat, and similarly because he’s made his positions so clear and held to them consistently, that’s been a non-issue during this cycle as well.

    Palin on the other hand has no such long-term resume consistency. Had Palin served out her term as governor of Alaska and won re-election, she could’ve gradually built a reputation as credible executive and made a very serious run for the Presidency, if not in 2012, then in 2016 or 2020. (Even in 2020 she’d only be in her late 50′s) Instead, she quit and decided to play talking head and reality tv star, destroying her image as a serious candidate.

    It’s an understandable decision. It’s likely what was best for her family, and I can completely understand that. It does however mean, at least at the present time, she isn’t anywhere close to being ready to be President.

  • A_Ready_Repub

    Finally someone has articulated how I feel. I am fiscally conservative but a little bit socially moderate (no abortions). The shameful idea of sitting home if your candidate isnt the nominee just infuriates me. Mitt is smart and without personal baggage. When you govern or serve in a blue state you cannot win as a total conservative. You must be moderate to win. If you do not win you cannot attempt to change anything. Mitt did pretty well in a blue state being a conservative Republican. So lighten up people; life is a compromise and sometimes that involves some, I say some, of our ideas and preferences. The big point is whomever wins the nomination, we get behind and push….hard. The reason we have trouble winning is that we eat our own. Lets move on and win!!!!

  • acat

    Thank you, rwm52. That’s somewhat more polite than I would have been, but did get the point across.

    Mew

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY. I’m grateful to you for expressing so well my own opinions on this matter!

    One minor correction. In the fourth-to-the-last paragraph, I think you meant to say that Sarah deflected so much of the media’s attention… that they were distracted from creating lies and distortions about whoever the GOP nominee is.

    One rather larger correction: The “unwashed” uninformed idiots who only start paying attention to elections the day before voting are just as likely (if not more likely) to be located on the coasts and in big cities as in “flyover country.”

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …that Palin supporters would rather stay home than vote for some other Republican candidate. If they are that willing to let Obama have another 4 years — which will destroy the United States of America once and for all — then they are traitors and my mortal enemies.

    Honestly, if I found out that someone I knew sat out the 2012 election, I really don’t think I could ever have friendly relations with that person again. Barack Obama is purposely, deliberately wrecking the United States to turn it into a Communist country. He has even said as much. Anyone who would let their own ego get in the way of voting this one-man demolition crew out of office is no friend of mine!

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    but mostly it was because she and her staff were spending approximately 90% of their time (her estimate) doing nothing but fighting off the false/frivolous ethics complaints. The whole ethics complaints campaign was organized by Obama operatives, with the specific goal of making it impossible for Palin to get anything done. It worked! She couldn’t get anything done. She was incredibly frustrated because she was prevented from being able to do the work she’d been elected to do. Plus, she felt that the taxpayers of Alaska were being ripped off, because they were paying her a salary to govern, not to go round and round fighting groundless ethics complaints.

  • acat

    Considering that Palin’s supporters are very emotionally connected to their candidate, it makes sense to me that voting for someone else might be a problem for some of them.

    I’ve been trying for some time to quantify “some of them”… but so far, no dice.

    Mew

  • Scope

    the Fred Thompson supporters in 08, of which I was one. When he dropped out, and it was looking like McCain was going to be the nominee, I went through a true mourning period for a few weeks. I was angry that I was most likely going to have to support someone I despised. By the time the elections rolled around, I would guess that most of those who were as sick as me, help their nose, as McCain’s mother had suggested was going to happen, and voted against Obama. I suspect that the same will happen with the Palin supporters.

    If at some point Palin does endorse Perry, and I can’t see her endorsing any of the others, where will her supporters go? I truly think Bachmann will be pretty much out by the first caucuses and primaries, and Rollins didn’t do Bachmann any favors by coming out strong against Palin early on in his role as her campaign manager. I highly doubt that many would go with Paul, who has enough money to stay in for the long haul, despite a lack of interest among the majorities. I guess some will go with Romney, though he isn’t even close to Palin’s political ideologies. Where would they go?

    I agree that if many just stay home, I want no parts of them, but, I don’t think that will happen. Palin has been, if nothing else, a strong voice against the cancer that is currently occupying the WH. If Palin is honest, and on the up and up about caring about the country, she will sway her most ardent supporters into the direction she wants them to go in, and that will be rabidly against Obama.

  • florida772

    so acat and rightwingmom criticisms leveled against perry don’t count but they do against romney, seems like a double standard eh? furthermore, from december 2007 to june 2011 private sector jobs have decreased by 0.6% while public sector employment has increased 6.4% according to the bureau of labor statistics. Contrasting with this romney actually created private sector jobs in companies like staples. Romney is the only choice for the GOP going into 2012.

  • acat

    Perry has created jobs during the Obama recession, in which a blind pig would become bacon.

    Mew

  • onemovoter

    Ok well Perry helped make sure that there was at least one state that had the environment for job creating businesses could flourish.

    Even Obama has had to concede recently that government doesn’t create jobs, it provides the environment. At the moment the Obama environment completely sucks.

    I have an immediate job creation plan that Obama could lay out in his speech in front of congress. He and Biden will put in their resignations the next day and let John Boehner become president. I know this would have businesses hiring in short order.

  • florida772

    i guess your for big government republicanism then which is why you are supporting Perry?

  • onemovoter

    My mother who is 70 years old and has never missed a vote in her life and is very conservative, said to me about the GOP race. She wants to see a “real man” up there in the White House who can actually lead for once. She has no negatives about Palin or Bachmann other than she just doesn’t see them man enough to sit in the Presidents chair.

    I have to agree with her, even though I do like Palin’s stances on the issues. I just need more than someone who talks with run on sentences, or someone who’s be “fighting” all the way except for when she has a migraine. I want someone who’s actually had results, and for a long period of time. Ten years is much longer than two. It’s also much longer than 6 in a congress of 435. At least Carter was a governor of a state, and he still screwed things up royally. Now he’s only the 2nd worse president we’ve had.

  • Jack_Savage

    Not a chance in hell I don’t vote for and vigorously support the Republican nominee. We don’t have the luxury of being cute this election. Period.

    Sarah Palin is a transformational and transitional figure in American politics and the GOP. I would venture to say that most of those who attended rallies and got involved in politics in 2008 and 2010 would not have done so if not for her. She was a woman who stood up to the establishment on both sides of the aisle and did not blink. I appreciate the courage that she embodies, and despise the cowardice that those who stood by and let her get savaged – or participated in the savagery – wallow in. If not for Palin, things would be much, much different right now, and far more hopeless.

    Having said all that, this country needs different people at different times. We needed, and need Sarah Palin, but not as our Presidential nominee right now. Romney is nowhere close to the backstabbing jackass McCain was, and a strong case can be made for him as leader of this country. Likewise with Perry – anyone who calls him “big-government” is a fool who is looking for someone who does not exist. I would have supported Pawlenty, Daniels or Bachmann, but they will not be the nominee.

    We are in grave, grave danger as a nation. Any minor flaws that a candidate has or my personal feelings are a poor second to that fact. Palin as nominee in 2012 would be bad for the GOP, and almost as important, BAD FOR SARAH. There will be a time, but the time is not now.

    Now, for the tenor of the questions I am seeing – “Is the cult of Palin dependable? Will they stay home? Will they have PMS until the election and be mopey? What marching orders will Palin give her robot followers?”

    The only answer I can think of without being personal or profane is that Palin followers have been on the front lines. They have manned the precincts, they have held the signs, they have talked to their neighbors and voted and marched and rallied. They have gotten involved, and have made a huge, huge difference. Our loyalty to conservatism, unlike many who have run and many on this board, is beyond question.

    You figure it out.

  • gracie

    Therefore noone gets rick being a legislator but instead must have a second job or spousal income to survive. This was structured to keep them from being career politicians; to keep government limited.

    In the Perry’s case, Anita Perry was worked as a nurse for 17 years after graduation in 1974. Since they married in 1982, she worked after she had children until 1991, which coincides with his move form the Texas House to Texas Agriculture Commissioner.

    I bring this up not to just emphasize the paltry income but also to show that the Perry’s are regular people. By now we know Perry experienced humble beginnings but it also appears important that they have lived the life of “regular” people. This makes Governor Perry uniquely qualified to know what it is like to pull one’s self up, plus the challenge of managing a family with a working spouse. It provides a window into how he came about his conservative views about spending and that he is sincere when he says, “Don’t spend all the money!”

    Hey, he lived it.

  • gracie

    Obviously I meant to say, “noone gets Rich.”

  • wilgolden

    That all these election thingies come in the middle of football season . . .

    ;-)

  • oudbob

    If she isn’t, then we will have to get used to the creeping socialism, because that’s all that’s being offered by the other candidates, including Perry.

  • acat

    and that’s why you’ve been reduced to beclowning yourself.

    I am a small-government libertarian-leaning conservative. My posting history, which you can find by plugging “acat site:redstate.com” into Google (or Bing, if you prefer) should make this crystal clear.

    I do not agree with Perry on many issues, starting with the existence of god. That said, I think he will run a more small-government White House than any of the other top four candidates.

    I’ve been all over the issues with Romney; he folds like a cheap suit when pushed, he waffles, and last time around, he couldn’t even bother to root out a known crooked pol – instead, he named Kjellander as head of his Illinois campaign! Mitt has the right hair, the right smile, the right bank account balance .. but he’s the wrong man where it counts.

    Perry is flawed, definitely agree, but .. he’s not going to be big-government.

    Mew

  • oudbob

    will support whomever Palin asks us to, even though we know we will have to hold their feet to the fire.

  • acat

    And please do “hold feet to fire”. That’s a good practice no matter who the nominee is. (even Palin)

    Mew

  • acat

    from Perry.

    He’s reduced the size of the Texas governent. (don’t believe the Bachmann / superPAC hit)

    He’s held the line on taxes, against a legislature that’s *from his own party*.

    I have heard the “creeping socialism” statement targetting Perry twice now and .. because I’ve heard it twice, I have to ask… where did you hear it?

    Mew

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    He was a master at using the best media tools of his time to get his message out, and sidestepping the MSM whenever he could.

    His policy remarks *were* largely considered superficial and plattidinous.

  • pttx333

    As a 71 year-old great-grandmother and proud conservative my entire life, I absolutely agree with your mother and have said the exact words “real man.” In fact, I believe I posted those very words on this site. We grew up in a time when girlie-men were not highly rated by women (and still aren’t) – and I carry those thoughts to this very day. I also do not dislike Bachmann, Palin, et al., it is just that I prefer them to be in the background with a real man with a backbone of solid steel to lead us through the darkness. For me, that man is Rick Perry. Romney has never made the cut on my list of possibles – there is just something about him that makes me squeamish. Put him somewhere perhaps, but never in the White House. Paul is out-and-out certifiable and should never be in office in any capacity; Huntsman is a huge joke; Cain is a good man with some good ideas but not ready for prime time; and so on.

    Tell your Mom that there is another “little old lady” in her corner. Beware us seasoned gals, though – we are pretty much on the mark as it usually turns out.

  • Scope

    A few things that struck me while listening. She went hard and heavy about the years and years of crony capitalism going on in Washington, apparently meaning long before Obama was elected. Whose campaign did she agree to run as the VP candidate for. Yes, that’s right John “crony” McCain.

    She warned that we must keep a close eye on our GOP candidates that are running, and pay close attention to their “donors,” and to figure out just who they will be beholding to if they win the election. Who does she think funds campaigns? Who does she think funded McCain’s campaign that she was a part of? Don’t forget, she also came out in support of his re-election campaign in 2010. Was that that awful payback for putting her on his ticket that she denigrated in today’s speech?

    She gave “her plan” for what should happen in Washington. I’m hard pressed to find one agenda item that Perry hasn’t already backed or supported in one way or another.

    No question, Palin would be going after the same group of supporters that Perry will be trying to attract. Thing is, Perry at least hasn’t strung his supporters along with the long tease like a high school teenager. He threw his name into the rat race, and is taking as many bullets as Palin has taken. Granted Palin has taken the hits for alot longer, as she has kept her celebrity status alive since 08, while Perry was busy governing his state, while she walked the red carpet on Dancing with the starz.

    Why do both Palin and Bachmann feel they need to screech and shout into their microphones? For me personally it sounds like finger nails on a chalk board.

    After today, the string just gets stretched out that much farther, and at some point it is going to break and snap back with a vengence. That is is anyone is still paying any attention at that point.

  • Scope

    You falsely throw out there that Perry is a big government Republican, when surely you are more than aware that Romney is a job killing Global Warming believer. Romney wrote the job, economy, and business killing prototype to Obamacare, when he signed Romneycare into law. Romney is for big government subsidies for ethanol. And you have the nerve to say that Perry is a big government Republican. I wonder how much the Romney campaign is paying you to make a fool of yourself.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    “Tease.” “Screech.” “Fingernails.”

    p.s. Perry was the last one to declare. By a long time.

  • Scope

    If my personal opinion is considered misogynist so be it. As a female, I see no reason why any female feels the need to shout and screech when she speaks. Many many on our side said the exact same thing when Hillary was doing the same thing in the 08 campaign. Yes, to me it is like fingernails on a blackboard, I did qualify my statement with it being my personal opinion.

    I am not the only one calling Palin’s long “tease” with her supporters just that. I actually saw that very term written by some of her supporters who have walked away, and have gone with other candidates. There are a slew of them that have posted over at the DC.

    I’ve wondered what Palin’s supporters would do if she doesn’t run, and in an article over at RCP today, there is a hint from one of them. They are planning to write her name in. They claim it will be the biggest write in campaign ever.

  • rightwingmom52

    Don’t put words in my mouth. I think criticism is fair for all candidates. You leveled criticisms against Perry, and I pointed you to where they had already been addressed. I can’t help it if you don’t like the research.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Can’t speak for the rest of them. If the GOP primary can’t weather her candidacy, no matter when (or if) she decides to get in, then it’s not worth a damn, and it’s not her fault.

    I had no clue whether you were male or female (nor do you know my gender), but being female doesn’t give you a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to characterizing Palin or Bachmann as screeches or teases. If you did not like Hilary being called a screecher, don’t throw red meat back to the other side.

    Perry let it ride a *long* time, missed a debate or two, But I’m not taking my eye off the ball, which is to drive the Marxist out of the White House in 2012. When I hear about “conservatives” sitting this one out if Palin gets the nomination, I’m not sure it cuts both ways. Maybe my gratuitious anecdote is no better than RCP’s, but maybe it is.

  • Scope

    I care about your opinions of me, or my posts. I clearly stated that I was posting my personal opinions, and if you don’t like or agree with my opinions, you can post your opinions until the cows come home, and it still will make no difference to me. So far, from what I’ve read, that you have posted, saying that Gingrich would be happy to manage socialism doesn’t warrant much of my attention. Again, that is just my personal opinion.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    I just happen to believe Newt, Romney, and Huntsman are the least likely to tear the head off this thing as fast and as far as they can and would be amenable to merely swapping out theirown brand of government for them.

    Again, I like Perry. But I would be inclined to believe he’s not really down for the struggle if he entertained the notion of tapping any of those fools for VP.

  • Scope

    It’s not about me, and, I never said the first thing that indicated that it was about me.

    You came back at my post, saying that I was a misogynist because I posted my personal opinion of the Bachmann and Palin method of delivering their speeches, and that I believe that Palin is teasing her supporters. Yet, you never addressed the meat of my comment in talking about Palin’s McCain attachments. You never addressed the fact that Palin warned those listening today to watch who the GOP candidates donors were, as that is who they will owe payback to, when Palin participated in payback to McCain for putting her on his Crony ticket in 08. You never addressed her attacks on the “crony capitalists”, which many have interpreted as an attack on Perry, when she freakin ran with one of the biggest long term politicians crony filled campaign. Does Palin think she can run away from that record, and now claim to be for something else, and against what she choose to participate in herself?

    I don’t have any clue as to why you seem to be so hung up on who any of the candidates would choose for their VP pick if they win the nom. The only thing I’ve heard from any of them is that Bachmann said she would choose a Marco Rubio type of VP, and, Perry said his VP pick would have to be pro-life. I can’t imagine many of the candidates choosing Romney, Huntsman or Gingrich as their choice, especially not Perry who has a completely different ideology and record than any of those three. It is not a hard and fast rule that whoever wins the nomination must choose another candidate as their VP pick. The field is largely considered weak, until Perry got in. Why would he choose a weak candidate, rather than going out into the forrest and choosing someone entirely different, such as a Rubio, who does seem to be his logical ideological choice. I never did buy into the regional choice meme. If the best candidates happen to be from the same state, I’d support that ticket rather than trying to attract support from another region of the country, with a less attractive candidate.

    It is extremely early to even think about the VP candidate when we still have no idea who will be doing the choosing. We don’t get to make the choice of running mates.

  • acat

    Let me put you in some knowledge. They get away with it because, at the local level, *we let them*.

    Go forth and look at Cold Warrior’s Precinct Project. Read what he’s had to say. Get all your pro-Palin friends to read it. Take your local GOP by storm.

    Repeat often enough and, sooner or later, it’ll be the grass roots building the firewalls.

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    Right now, the Democrat Party is incredibly disjointed. Just take a look at the front-page article. Congressmen in their own party are predicting doom for the president – and there are warring factions within that party that seem, in my estimation, to be split beyond repair.

    …unless, of course, the most hated Republican since Nixon with a history of foot-in-mouth disease and incoherence where publicly discussing policy solutions is concerned decides to try to snag the GOP nomination.

    No one…and I mean NO ONE…will galvanize the Democrat Party and unite them behind Obama faster than Sarah Palin…and given the fact that she doesn’t exactly wow Independents, that spells disaster electorally.

    Sarah Palin has become a caricature…a professional celebrity…nothing more. There was a time when she could have been a viable candidate for president. That time has passed and then some.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    But, obviously, he isn’t a movement conservative either. From my vantage point, his tastes run toward the axis of Big Government and Big Bigness a bit too lugubriously. But, he certainly is no Lowell Weicker. His is articulate, he is very intelligent and thoughtful. And, he is solutions oriented.

    I will also remind many that he was the anti-McCain in the twilight struggle of the run-up to the nomination in 2008. So, in that sense, he’s much better than a McCain would have been.

    But, I disagree that O’Donnell was a horrid candidate, or that Angle was, too. Let’s imagine for a moment how those women would have done if we had a media that had a modicum of integrity, or if they weren’t openly advocating for statism: They would have been a bit more skeptical of Coons, and more investigative of Reid. So, it wasn’t the candidates flaws in totality: It’s also the reportage and the pop-culture templates these reporters and media celebrities follow.

    The mythology that must be dispelled is the tenuous political fiction that “socially” conservative candidates “scare off” “moderates”. Many “moderates” are thoroughbred conservatives that yearn for strong defense of thier views (but don’t hold to a party line), and many others are smart folks that will follow a strong, passionate, articulate, no-nonsense conservative –if one emerges. I hate to keep hauling out the Reagan Tropes from 1978 and 79, but the analogy fits quite well. Your argument about the ring-cities of our metropolises is quite true: And these people will follow a strong –not squishy– leader.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    whatever else you think of him.

    Is the GOP so frail right now it could not deal with her candidacy, whether she wins or loses?

    Are we afraid of ourselves?

  • florida772

    as john adams said, “facts are stubborn things” In the last few years under Perry, there were an additional 39,000 government jobs created. now onto romney care lets compare perry vs romney, in Massachusetts under romney the state legislature was 85% democrat romney was backed by the heritage foundation and here is what they said,

    Heritage On Romney?s Individual Mandate: ?Not an unreasonable position, and one that is clearly consistent with conservative values.? [Heritage, 1/28/06]

    Heritage On Romney?s Insurance Exchange: An ?innovative mechanism to promote real consumer choice.? [Heritage, 4/20/06]

    Heritage On Romney?s Medicaid Expansion: Reduced ?the total cost to taxpayers? by taking people out of the ?uncompensated care pool.? [Heritage, 1/28/06]

    yes romney is not a perfect candidate but neither is perry, all i’m trying to point out is Perry has his faults to that need to be addressed.
    you don’t need to debase your argument by name calling acat.

    btw debt in texas under perry has doubled from 13.7 billion to 30 billion dollars.

    And scope i’m not being paid by romney, but i feel he is the best choice for our country.

    romney worked with a overwhelming democratic majority and got things done, the same can’t be said of Perry. this my way or the highway form of republicanism isn’t going to work.

  • acat

    I indicated that your foolishness is obvious in your statements. Wiktionary beclowned and see for yourself.

    Further, the Texas debt issue has been turned over before as well. I found that in about 30 seconds by plugging “texas debt site:redstate.com” into google.com.

    Blaming Perry for various Texas municipalities that are choosing to grow debt rather than cut service is a little like blaming Obama for California and Illinois being on the brink of insolvency. Sure, you can cast the blame, but .. I guess I’d expect it from Team Obama (or Team Clinton… Team Gore was never sharp enough at it…) but not from Team Romney.

    Tell you what. Here’s a list of 18 things that are being said about Perry, as well as the truth. Go read it. I don’t expect you to change your mind, but .. I do expect you to be able to argue on substance.

    I’m not being “my way or the highway”. I’m just bored with going over the same stupidity over and over.

    Oh, and one more thing. If you really are pro-Romney, write a diary about why we should like him. Be sure to explain his relationship to Kjellander in Illinois.

    Mew

  • florida772

    i’m just tired of this site’s bashing of governor Romney, and kjellander is a legitimate concern which i will adress in a diary, however will you be explaining Sanderson Farms, Convergen LifeSciences, Inc. ThromboVision, Inc. etc and other benefactors of the Emerging Technology Fund whose bosses donated generously to Mr. Perry’s political campaigns

  • gekster

    You keep bringing up these items as if they are new to us.
    If acats’ link is what I think it is, please do read it.
    You are not saying nothing new, and it has all been handled, and 99.9% is just leftist talking points.
    You ain’t a leftist, are you.
    Well, we will wait on that one.
    Or maybe you are just an ignorant tribble.

    As far as Romney bashing, whats not to bash.
    If he couldn’t get past McLooser in 2008, just how is he going to get past Perry in 2012.

  • californiagold

    I’ve always respected Erick’s posts because he says what he feels without tap dancing around like most politicians. But with respect to Rick Perry, Erick is doing the two step…

    For many months Mitt Romney was the front runner because he was ahead in the polls and was raising big money. Romney deserved the label of front runner because the label was accurate. But over the course of the last few weeks the race has taken a dramatic turn with Rick Perry’s entrance. Currently, Rick Perry is well ahead in all the polls, is raising big money, and has considerable momentum. Perry is the clear front runner, no need to deny that fact.

    If Perry makes a dumb mistake during the campaign, then he could fall, just as any other front runner might fall under similar circumstances. But for now, Perry is the top dog, no need to be coy about it Erick.

  • acat

    If you’re pro-Romney, then explain away Kjellander.

    While you’re at it, explain how all the independent voters Mitt needs to get to win against Obama, who went for Obama last time, and whose vague memories of a high school civics class will react to “Romneycare is okay but Obamacare isn’t”.

    Seriously. I want to know.

    Mew

  • acat

    seats in the Senate. Not to mention the House. Or the White House.

    Total reversal of 2008.

    It’s only possible if we get a very polar-opposite pair of candidates, though. It works for Obama vs. Perry, less so for Obama vs. Romney,and it doesn’t work at all for Hillary vs. Mitt. At that point, they’ll bore the independents to sleep and the election will go to whoevers’ get out the vote team is better.

    Mew

  • florida772

    i guess with that logic you wouldn’t have voted for reagan in 80 since he lost to ford in 1976? btw those 18 talking points didn’t bring up pay to play

  • gekster

    Perry makes the business climate in Texas good for businesses to do business.
    These business’ do good in Texas, and want to keep the State Government that is business friendly, so donate to the politicians who have made Texas business friendly, so as to help get them elected again, to mantain that friendly business climate.
    Ain’t rocket science.

    No need to use that logic in this election.
    Comparing Ford to Reagan is no where near comparing McLooser to Romney.
    In 76 I voted For Ford in the primary and general election.
    In 80 I voted for Ford in the primary and Reagan in the general.
    If Romney wins the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for him.
    But with Perry in the race, I will not have to do that.

    Like acat said, why not post a pro Romney diary, and quit playing tribble.

  • APA Guy

    …nor is Sarah Palin as experienced or capable politically as Nixon was. You seem to forget that he was a congressman, senator, VP…and he had already run a presidential campaign in 1960 before he won the presidency in 1968. Sarah Palin didn’t even serve a full term as governor of Alaska.

    I really don’t know why we insist upon snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The 2012 election is there for the taking – and there won’t be a Thomas Eagleton to bail us out if we choose the wrong candidate. There is no one the opposition is dedicated to defeating more than Sarah Palin. Why would we choose a severely flawed candidate with the ability to pull Democrats together rather than a proven one that makes them wet their pants?

  • acat

    and correct me if I go astray, please….

    We are speaking of two highly polarizing individuals, Barak Obama and Sarah Palin.

    Right now, the election is a referendum on Obama.

    Even if Obama retires and the Dems nominate, say, Hillary or Richardson… the election is a referendum on Obama’s policies.

    If Palin gets in and wins the nomination, the election becomes a referendum on Palin.

    That is not a Good Thing for the GOP because she is so polarizing, and the attacks – whether justified or not – have provably been effective.

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    Obama and his record as the issue and conservative platform = GOP victory

    Sarah Palin as the issue and 6 months of the media re-playing every single stupid thing she has said and done…combined with the galvanizing effect her presence at the top of the ticket would have on Democrats = 4 more years of Obama.

    Too much at stake to sacrifice for the greater glory of Sarah Palin’s celebrity. She would be destroyed in a general election.

  • aesthete

    if her getting in means that Flake won’t get that Senate seat, though… Flake has a great record, and would probably vote better than she would.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with her running for McCain’s seat if Shadegg doesn’t want it, though.

  • ag8tor

    more qualified than BHO. but he has decided not to run!
    BTW there are two types of fans- GATORS and those who wish they were !

  • davesinsanantonio

    Perry got in tells me that Romney is not the “favorite”, but just the “we’ll take him if we have to” candidate. People were obviously looking for someone else, or they wouldn’t have jumped to Perry so quickly. This is not to say that Perry is a shoo-in, but seems like, for some reason, people like him better than Romney. The word “stiffness” comes to mind. Romney seems like a guy you can admire, but not “like”.

  • JHSinHouston

    I am sick and tired of the ‘all knowing’ media (EE included) telling me who can be my president and who can’t. IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU ERICK. Just report the facts and with the grace of God, I’ll come to my own conclusions. See, I don’t demand that I be ‘right on the issues’ with the talking heads’ press. I just have to be true to myself. Believe me, I’ll do that in spite of you.

    John Bitter Clinger
    La Vergne, TN

  • gekster

    all opinions are in.

  • Scope

    is that EE isn’t telling you who to vote for, he is simply writing his opinions on the various candidates, which you can easily ignore. If you allow the media (including EE)to tell you who you can or should be your president, that is your own downfalling, rather than anyone else’s. EE has his right to post his opinions, just as you have taken the right to post your opinions balking at something that doesn’t exist. I wasn’t aware that EE has a gun to anyone’s head.

  • APA Guy

    It goes so well with a chapped arse…

    Newsflash:

    No one is telling you who to support, John. Erick is simply providing his assessment of the candidates/potential candidates as of the date of publication. The ultimate decision is the party’s, as it always has been.

    Sheesh…take a breath and have some coffee…and while you’re at it, please inform the class which favorite candidate of yours mentioned above was not propped up sufficiently. Typically, a comment like yours is published because someone didn’t give Ron Paul or Sarah Palin the proper worship, so my bet is on one of those two.

  • Voldemort

    is the ONLY republican candidate to poll within statistical range of beating Obama in head to head match-ups. You’re such an arrogant hack to say he can’t win, especially since his supporters at the caucus level always outnumber all other constituencies in most states.. Ron Paul has a chance, like it or not. That’s 3 weeks in a row I’ve seen this author talk about the Huntsman and Cain campaigns for longer than Ron Paul. At least talk about how much you hate him, but you are certainly NO JOURNALIST if you dismiss him.

  • Scope

    with the most recent polling. Perry actually beats Obama in one of the head to head polls by about 3%. You’re such an ignorant Paulbot to think he can win, especially because his supporters at the caucus level have been known to be some of the most rude and ignorant cling-ons to show up at any event Paul is attending. Most other candidates supporters stay as far away from them as possible to avoid their rath of cultist hate for anyone other than Grandpa. Paul has no chance, like it or not. Ron Paul is not discussed in many conservative circles, and on many conservative websites solely because he is an inconsequential non-candidate. EE is not a journalist, he is a blogger on RedState, and, NO JOURNALIST with any credibility will bother wasting the ink on someone who will be leaving Washington in Jan. 2013, thankfully for the last time.

    So now Paulbot, how do you like being talked to the way you talk to those that don’t support or talk up Ron Loony Paul?

  • Voldemort

    Like it or not this Red State crowd is a dying breed. Enjoy your final moments at the top of the crap heap. Ill be here laughing.

  • runner12

    that:

    A. It is one of the top Conservative websites in the country and most likely the
    number one Conservative blog

    B. Rick Perry ( probably the next President of the US) announced at the RS
    gathering.

    Seems like we are gaining momentum, not losing it.

    I might also add that your infantile response to Scope does not reflect well upon the candidate whom you support. Why not list the reasons you support him instead of attacking an honest analysis?

  • powertothepeople

    and I am willing to bet you actually think that A) RedState is what holds us together and that without RedState we would just fall apart and swing to the moron Ron Paul’s side, B) that RedState is actually dying and C) that Ron Paul stands a chance at ever winning anything other than the seat he currently has. You have got to be kidding.

    I know it takes a very low IQ to be on the Paultard Bandwagon, but you have taken it to a new low. Ron Paul is the biggest joke to ever set foot in the halls of congress and that is saying a ton considering Obama was once there. But thank God when he retires, that is if he is a man of his word which is doubtful going on past behavior, after a few months most of you rejects of humanity will slide back under the rocks you come out of every four years for good.

  • Scope

    that you will be here laughing when you watch your candidate join crap heap of has been, perennial candidate,and is sitting on the top of crap heap he belongs on. Oh, and I doubt you will be sitting here, on RedState even long enough to watch that happen.

  • acat

    See, you muttering “avada kedavra” every time one of us posts something doesn’t seem to be cutting it…

    Repello Paulistine!

    Mew

  • luvnthebigsites

    Is when they get nuked here, They take the Redstate hate show on the road… I’ve seen it with my own eyes, at some “friendly” conservative blogs: “moderator approved only” comments sneak through allowing the commenter to trash Redstate (while my populist rhetoric posts are denied..heheheh)

    I know its the silly season, But this problem will probably have to be addressed at some point…. ;)

  • acat

    at certain of the far left feverish sites…

    I’m not sure what could be done about it, though.

    Mew

  • Scope

    How dare you knock this bio of voldermort-

    “One of those pesky educated, successful, Ron Paul lovers. booo!”

    It would appear that Voldermort needs to ask his higher education source to give him a refund. As to his “success” that is highly questionable, I would guess him to be a shrimper, or a paid staff member of Paul’s campaign. Jesse Benton is that you, maybe Lew Rockwell, maybe the ghost of Rothbard? Boooo!

  • Bill S

    “Dying breeds” are where front-running candidates announce their candidacies and draw hundreds of attendees.

    Paulbots, on the other hand, are the comic relief of the Right. We enjoy watching you beclown yourselves in your worship of a lunatic.

    Ron Paul is a kook who won’t win a single electoral vote. He’s the Pat Paulsen of the 21st century.

  • Jack_Savage

    I had completely forgotten about Pat Paulson. 5′s for reminding me, and for the perfect description of Paul. Maybe “Ron Paulson” would be more accurate than Ron Paul.

  • luvnthebigsites

    Influential members of the new media (such as EE) have there own version of “journolist”… Its called…. the TELEPHONE. ;) Shhhh don’t tell anyone!

    Get on the red phone with all the friendly’s and keep the friendly fire to a minimum as a matter of policy… Its not that hard.

    Just a suggestion.

  • acat

    Ron Paul is just a joke…

    Mew

  • pttx333

    Why do his supporters feel that they are doing him any favors by continually slamming other people? No one is telling you who to vote for, but you delight in telling those with opposing opinions that we are liars, haters, in addition to some pretty vile adjectives. If you truly believe you will ever win anyone over to your side with such vitriol, guess again. You are tuned out and turned down in short order. That is just the way it goes, regardless of who you would be supporting other than Paul.

  • hweila

    Managing those sort of distractions is part of being a high-profile politician. I have no doubt it was exceptionally wearying and difficult, but so is the Presidency. If the White House was her ultimate goal, she needed to dig in, work her way through it and prevail.

    Walking away from the governorship means she hasn’t yet proven herself ready to be President and after the damage wrought during the past four years, we need someone who we are absolutely sure is going to be ready to deal with everything the job entails from day one. And that includes the distractions created by a rabid left that will doing everything in their power to destroy them.