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EDITOR OF REDSTATE

Enough

[A]t some point, Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for her supporters as Ron Paul must for his. Palin’s dragging out the tease on her decision has compounded the problem and we’ve reached a breaking point.

On Fox News, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham had the best discussion on Sarah Palin I have seen. And Ann said something I have said. But I have not said it nearly as well as Ann did.

To paraphrase Ann, a lot of us fell in love with Sarah Palin because of her enemies and a lot of us have fallen out of love with Sarah Palin because of her fans.

For the past year, Palin fans have become an online fixture with more venom and insanity than the most rabid Ron Paul fan. They have not evangelized on behalf of Sarah Palin trying to lead people to Sarah Palin, they have freaked a lot of us out.

I am at the point of fearing that should Palin not get in the race we’re going to have a Hale Bopp moment with many of her most ardent supporters. These people have become too emotionally invested in one person to discuss that person rationally or even to address serious policy concerns.

For the longest time I wanted Sarah Palin to run.

At some point, I decided Sarah Palin could not defeat Barack Obama, but I’d rather go down fighting on Team Sarah than side with any of the guys who will just take us down the “big government conservative” path of creeping socialism.

Finally, I decided Sarah Palin was not going to run and I moved on. Ultimately, 2012 really is about beating Barack Obama, not what Sarah Palin will or will not do.

Unfortunately, as I found out and as others are starting to find out, moving on from Sarah Palin is like leaving Scientology.

To not bow at the throne of Sarah you get disowned. You get attacked. You have people drum up stories attacking your credibility. “Oh, Perry announced at his event, he must be bought and paid for,” etc. Ironically, some of the very people going after this site’s and my credibility — claiming we’re pressured to do things by higher ups at Eagle Publishing — are people who were on payrolls advocating for clients while refusing to disclose potential conflicts among other things. To add comedy to irony, it seems more and more apparent that some of those who attacked this site and me for holding editorial positions based on what our corporate parent dictates (a lie designed to undermine our lack of sufficiently pro Palin bona fides among other things) are themselves engaging in projection because it is they, not RedState nor me, who must tread carefully in who they attack because their livelihoods depend on it. It’s always the kooks who project their sins on others.

Logic, reason, and being nominally on the same side in a fight against Obama has no logic for people in the cult. In the past month RedState and I personally have been attacked for being in Romney’s camp, Perry’s camp, Bachmann’s camp, Herman Cain’s camp, and most laughably in Jon Huntsman’s camp — all by Palin fans who clearly are not paying attention.

For the past several months, I have posted a weekly horserace. Inevitably, should Palin not get mentioned the angry horde of cultists come out of the wood work offended that Sarah Palin did not get included. If I included her and dared suggest either she might not run or it might not be a sure thing, the attacks were even more unhinged.

There are many, many good people who support Sarah Palin and feel like they owe it to her to support her given what she has been through — from her shoddy treatment at the hands of Team McCain to an unrelenting press. But these people who have sat and continue to sit patiently and quietly waiting for Sarah Palin to finally make up her mind are starting to get frustrated. And some of them are getting aggravated by and drowned out by The Palin Fan Cult. The cult is full of people with little prominence outside a twitter stream, a few nominal soapboxes imagined to be bigger they they are, and possessing a lot of bile and little grace inside an echo chamber of indecision 2012 dementia. About the only thing this cult lacks are thetans.

Sarah Palin is a great person. She’s a great fighter. She draws in awesome attention and rallies a crowd. She has some terrific and loyal supporters I don’t want to lump in with the loud voices largely now disconnected from political reality. Ron Paul is the same way. But at some point, Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for her supporters as Ron Paul must for his. Palin’s dragging out the tease on her decision has compounded the problem and we’ve reached a breaking point.

The comparisons to a late Reagan entry in 1980 and late Clinton entry in 1992 are frivolous and false comparisons. While both waited to make it official until November for Reagan and October for Clinton, it was abundantly clear to people even outside their most ardent supporters that they were running. Few outside Palin’s most ardent fans think she is running and, at this point, a sizable majority no longer care.

As Ann Coulter said, “Fish or cut bait.” Governor Palin has teased us long enough. Most of us are tired of it. She has harmed her own entry into the race and now, even if she got in, would only see a modest rise in polling.

There are many still who are ready to get involved, are sitting on the sidelines, and are growing impatient for Sarah Palin to tell us what she’s doing. There are others who are going to have to be deprogrammed.

I’m tired of the tease. But I’m even more tired of the angry cranks and Palin prophets who swear to know her every move and have shown neither ideological nor political moorings in anything other than their hopes and wishes poured into the vessel of their ambition named L. Ron Hubbard Sarah Palin. That’s exactly what many lefties did with Barack Obama. Like Barack Obama, Sarah Palin is just a mortal politician, just a human of the same sinful flesh as the rest of us passing through this place on her way to eternity just like you and me.

We should not set Palin on a pedestal so high she shatters if she falls off, but that’s what her most ardent fans have done. Thanks to Palin’s own conduct, if she does shatter by either not running or running and losing the nomination, the Palin Fan Cult gives me and many others the strong impression they’d rather shatter all the other candidates than have anyone but Palin herself win.

In the process, these people have overshadowed the efforts and desires of many reasonable Palin supporters who are just ready to either vote for Palin or be told of her decision not to run so they can go support someone else.

Enough is enough.

COMMENTS

  • bk

    She can help raise a lot of money and be a great help to conservative House and Senate candidates.

    She can cause the press to waste lots of resources stalking her and at the same time helping get a conservative message out.

    She can launch all sorts of attacks against Obama that a candidate might tend to tone down a bit.

    But as far as I’m concerned, she adds very little as a candidate to what Rick Perry brings to the race. Perhaps she spent the past year or two thinking 2012 would be her big chance to be president – there are about a dozen guys and one other woman who seem to feel that way – but it doesn’t seem to be in the cards. If she enters now, the only person it helps is Mitt Romney.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Palin decides to not run and endorses someone else, those nut job Palinistas will fight against that candidate she endorsed. I believe most of them would then sit out the actual election or vote for Obummer in order to show the rest of us how much we need Palin, or just to spite those who were not as fanatical as they are. I believe they would rather have Obummer to continue his destruction of this country than any non-Palin who could save it. They don’t want America saved if it is not Palin who does the saving.

  • ChattDawg

    Well-said, Erick! Ace of Spades has great stuff on this too. This month could define the race with 3 debates. It may be early, but we need to get focused. This election cycle is unlike any other we’ve had in our lifetimes.

  • desertwanderer

    I’m tired of the tease as well. She should not run and she should make it clear now that she is not running. Then she can carry on bugging the daylights out of her political opponents and she won’t continue to be an unnecessary distraction to the picking of our candidate to beat Obummer in 2012.

  • bk

    is that Palin would whole-heartedly endorse the Republican, while Paul might just offer some half-hearted token support at best.

    But you are probably right to some extent that there will be a few nutcases in the “Sarah or Nobody” camp. Let’s hope they are few in number.

  • wennejunk

    The rest will sulk (we all would after our preferred candidates dropped) and then get on board with the best alternative. Anyone but Obama is at the heart of most non-liberals.

  • trutexan

    nt

  • norbleahy

    Palin will push the recovery plan she outlined in Iowa on September 3rd. She would push congress to cut their way to compliance with the 10th Amendment. Palin is totally open and blunt. All other candidates should be questioned to respond to each point she made. If they hedge, they’re out. If they agree and add other good reforms, they will be contenders. Gingrich is often the first to know what needs to be done. Ron Paul was the first to suggest we follow the Constitution. He would actually refuse to sign Bills that don’t restore our freedom. and would encourage congress to shrink spending and repeal unconstitutional laws. Bachman is contender. All others need to give the Palin speech. We want 10th Amendment compliance now.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

  • skponggol

    After using Sarah Palin’s fame and especially the movie “The Undefeated” to promote and sell your site, you finally have enough of Palin.

    This is so typical of the Establishment crony GOP villians as depicted in “The Undefeated”.

    They are all trying to use Palin to rally grassroot Republicans to get elected and sneak into the Congress. After they have been squeezed and milked dry, Palin and her supporters would then be thrown into the dustbin.

  • vindex60

    Comparisons between rabid Palin and rapid Paul fans are completely bogus. Paul fans are rapid about Paul’s ideas about liberty. Palin fans are rabid about Palin’s personality and martyr complex. Paul has a philosphy that people are attracted to without speak in in folksy slogans and tired cliches like “comon sense conservatism.” (As opposed to what? “Unreasonable conservatism’?) They say there are no ex-Ron Paul supporters. Once you understand the philosphy of true liberty, you don’t go back. Ever. When it comes to Palin, Ann Coulter is right; Palin is the Right’s version of Obama. A cult of personality. The most famous phrase she has ever uttered is the puerile “How’s that hopey changey thing working out?” Wow, carve that on granite.

    Palin’s political positions are all garden variety social and neo-conservative. Easily replaceable with people like Perry and Santorum. She has fans because she’s feisty and has a nice smile. If she wasn’t attractive she’d be as popular as Lisa Murkowski. If Paul died tomorrow, the movement would continue without him. The cult is in the philosphy not the individual. That’s why Conservatives like Limbaugh and Levin are so panicked by him.. Ron Paul threatens the current big government Conservative/Keynesian movement begun under Richard Nixon. These Conservatives talk about liberty, and non interventionism , but love to meddle in people’s business here and in endless military adventures overseas. They’ve never seen a weapons system they didnt want to fund or a new law they didn’t want to pass to expand the police state, stop two people from getting married or put someone in jail for smoking weed.

  • Right Reason

    “Google power” has a very Orwellian ring to it. I’m a Bing guy myself.

  • http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/ tomtflorida

    Reading this piece and the resulting comments instantly reminds me of the Left and it’s continuous, ongoing attack of the tea party. Peppering off handed compliments peppered throughout the piece, all the while vilifying the subject fools no one…

    And to say I don’t want to lump the many in with the actions of the few, then do precisely that is reminicent of what the media does on a daily basis toward the tea party.

    Erick has made it clear more than once that he has moved on from Team Sarah. Great, so be it. Yet he never misses the opportunity to remind us one more time.

    I get the feeling that someone’s overtures just may have been rejected and this is now influencing opinion… or that he may be revealing a man-crush on one of the other candidates. Or maybe it’s just the latest sign of the slow establishment-creep that’s been underway for some time.

  • smitch61

    What anybody think of Perry, Palin, Paul, Bachman, or the whole lot of them. Ann loves Christie, great for her, I don’t care for her opinion on that either. I have never heard Ann say “fish or cut bait” on Mr. Christie, in fact she would wait until the day before the election. I will hold my nose and support whoever wins the primary…. because besides Reagan, I have always had to hold my nose. Get off the Sarah Palin subject already, it is getting quite old. If she announces that she is running, we can go from there.

  • kervick

    The Paul vs. Palin comparison is inaccurate. People like Palin in part for her folksy charm, her looks, her charisma and because she is a woman who shares their beliefs. If there is a cult of personality for Palin these factors are part of it.

    Ron Paul has no looks, no charm, no folksiness, and no frills. The guy is just smart and honest and has been saying the same things forever, and he’s right. His adherents are rabid because they see integrity and he provides a “faith” in an enduring America. I”m a middle aged rational guy, not easily persuaded by any flavor of the month. But this guy Paul has drawn me in. He’s a refreshing statesman at a time our country really needs truth and humility.

  • smitch61

    I have had enough of the blog period. Something has happened here, the comments read like something out of hufpo. Too much concentration on what Palin is doing is not healthy for you…. talk about a cult of personality.

  • rogerallan70

    Whenever Erick writes a column like this, we can always count on one or two comments proving his point with perfection. THIS is one of those comments.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    For their own protection against the imperialist Great Satan.

    Ron Paul’s problem is that he wants to tell a story more than he wants a job he’s applying for.

    And he holds a counter-factual view of foreign relations.

  • rogerallan70

    He is not running, Palin has made it clear, she has not decided or if she has, won’t tell us. There is no comparison between the two.

  • popster

    Ann Coulter has always had a keen sense of the obvious, and a way for it to make sense to those who don’t.
    It is time for Sarah Palin to throw her influence behind a good conservative leader, that is, if she has one in mind yet.

  • pcisbs

    I agree with your line of reasoning. We must work hard, to avoid being forced to support Romney in 2012.

  • curtmilr

    Why? Palin has always said she would announce her electoral intentions before the end of September. Erick decided long ago that she had to operate on another (his) schedule. Why should she? 13 months is ample time to campaign. She’s well known publicly, even if errantly. She will not run a traditional campaign if she does enter, so a lot of the normal trappings are extraneous to her effort. She would never earn full support of the GOP establishment, yet moreso than Paul. But, frankly, neither of them want it!
    I have no idea if she will run. Meanwhile she’s keeping her viability alive by commenting on current events and making position statements. These are largely ignored by Erick with snippish non-candidate putdowns. But, unlike Paul, she is a team player, and will work to influence the discussion, and help all conservative candidates. But its not the my way or the highway tone that Paulinstas are famous for. I expect him to attempt to go third party after his GOP nomination run inevitably flames out, and perhaps reelect BHO. THAT is a cult of personality! And this comes from one who actually contributed to, and voted for Paul as a Libertarian candidate for President. The rule about ex-Paul supporters is a blatant falsehood. I’m proof!
    Sarah is now the one standing up and taking more combative positions than the announced candidates. Bold strokes, not pastel colors! She is one who can mobilize the TEA parties, for herself or others. She’s done it! She is influencing the debate whether she’s a candidate or not. Paul is not, and has no future, other than among the Ronulans.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    someone else’s opinion, but I suggest everyone step back, take a deep breath, and let the future unfold as it will.

    Reality will instruct Sarah and her fans, myself included, about her future.

    If she runs and does better than expected, or runs and gets trounced, we’ll know.

    If she doesn’t run, we’ll all be instructed by that, as well.

    Which pattern of behavior may be precisely why I don’t generate a lot of blog hits.

  • kywrite

    She was a point guard in high school, and a darn good one.

    “A true point guard’s job is to create scoring opportunities for his team.”

    http://www.answers.com/topic/point-guard#ixzz1XGeVBap1

    If you read what the point guard’s role is, it looks to me as if she’s recapping it on the political ball court. She’s drawing press fire, saying things that need saying, and most importantly, creating opportunities – for the Republican/Tea Party/conservative team to score. I don’t think she ever intended to get into the race. At least not this year. She’s still quite young.

  • atillathehun

    I think that I totally agree with the bogus eval on Paul and Palin. But having said that Erik deals with the politics being the art of the “possible.”
    If one accepts the reality of my personal heroine being unelectable then it is logical to support the electable candidate. Yes even it if it is a choice between creeping Republican socialism and a Marxist Democrat. The third part alternative lurks and could become a reality.
    Perry’s position on immigration is unacceptable but assuming that he. as all of us can have a changeof mind,as I did when I rejected the Democratic party platform.

  • Jack_Savage

    With any of the other GOP candidates – you know, wholehearted support followed by abject depression when the candidate slipped to irrelevance in the polls. It was also good that we all rallied around John McCain without reservation when he won the nomination. Thank God he survived nominating Palin as VP and made a decent showing in the general.

    For the record, I’m being sarcastic.

    There is a reason to go easy on rabid Palin fans. Most are new to the scene, and mistake passion for a person as passion for a principle. Instead of a dessicated old hag as representative of women, we have a beautiful Mom who also happens to be a conservative fighter. I love her, but won’t lose a minute’s sleep if she doesn’t run, and think there is a good case to be made on why she shouldn’t.. There is plenty of time. I think this whole thing is more talk and frustration among the chatterers than a real issue.

    Without Palin and the spirit she brought to the GOP, there is no Tea Party. Without the Tea Party, there is no 2010, and without 2010, there wouldn’t be a prayer in 2012.

  • http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

    We’re 14 months out. Sarah supporters as far as I can tell are vigorously advocating that she is a viable candidate and defending her as such. Ms. Palin has been shrewd in her double role as a lightning rod for the Left, similarly as a thorn in their side. All without spending a dime of taxpayer money. Her supporters, however rabid, know the score and will support the most conservative candidate at the end of the day, and will vote for anyone that goes up against Obama, to a person.

    None of this is true for Ron Paul supporters, a far more vocal, and diminutive group that people are willing to believe. The media wants him in the ring to cock things up as badly as he can. At the end of the day, when their man goes down, either because of his unacceptible stances on foreign policy, or his backhanded voting record, or his unwillingness to act on behalf of his convictions in Congress all these years, his followers will either advocate for an independant run, or, failing that, stay home on election day.

    Twice a day on Facebook, for a month before Rick Perry even threw his hat in the ring, my Texas friends who are supporters of Ron Paul have been carpet bombing their lists with hit pieces, specifically aimed at the fallibilty of Mr. Perry and ONLY Mr. Perry. These are hit pieces, not principled narratives. Each time, the article was a different article from an obscure author, and the work was unsubstantial at best, and flat-out slanderous at worst.

    I do not fear this behavior from Sarah Palin fans. Sarah will do the right thing in the end, and disappointed as they are, her fans will accept it. Nothing could be further from the truth with Ron Paul fans. They will aim to be spoilers and could even cause the re-election of Obama, which would be the cardinal sin, in my book.

    Any comparison between the two camps is grossly inaccurate.

  • http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

    n/t

  • bk

    I’ve seen almost no “bashing” of her in Erick’s piece or in the comments.

  • pdawk

    I thought she hurt the ticket in 2008 with her numerous missteps and gaffes. Don’t get me wrong, McCain sucked, but the voting block that decides elections did not think she was anywhere near qualified to become President of the United States.

    She then goes back to Alaska and realizes that the real gold rush is in middle America. She quits her job halfway through her term, signs a book deal and starts barnstorming every Barnes and Noble she can find.

    She only goes on very friendly radio or TV programs for interviews, and now makes her name by posting zingers on Facebook. She has zero chance at the nomination and even if all the big players got struck by lightning and she won the primary by default she would lose by double digits to Obama.

    The replies to Erick’s original post by the Palinistas are demonstrative of his original point. The only 2 groups of people that chant “Run Sarah Run!” are the Palinistas and the Democrats.

  • Kitty_Myers

    Where do you find these Palin supporters who are “an online fixture with more venom and insanity than the most rabid Ron Paul fan”? Can you provide a link to some of their comments? Because I’ve not encountered these people. I’ve heard/read some of the sickest comments lobbed at Palin and her family, for three years now, but I’m not aware of the lunatics you describe.

    For the record:
    1) I am not a Palin “fan”; I am a Palin supporter.
    2) I am not “frustrated” because she hasn’t announced her decision yet because she’s said she’ll decide this month. (Personally, I think she’s been running all along. She just hasn’t announced yet.)
    3) I’ve known about Sarah Palin, and her fight to clean up corruption in her own party in Alaska, since BEFORE McCain chose her as his veep.
    4) I support her plan; I’m not a cultist who has placed her on some pedestal.
    5) My world will not shatter, my life will not end, if Sarah Palin is not the nominee — for whatever reason. I will support whoever is the nominee.

  • streiff

    I was going to post something just like this but you beat me to it.

  • streiff

    great job

  • streiff

    that is another comparison you missed.

  • streiff

    Gold is good, Jews are bad. Other than that he’s as empty a suit as ever stalked the national stage.

  • Finrod

    Erick, are you going to take responsibility for everything said by everyone here on RedState?

    If not, then why do you have the unmitigated gall to demand that Sarah Palin take responsibility for everything her fans say?

    Put up or STFU.

  • gawken

    I have no idea if she intends ot run or not, or if she ever intended to run. However:

    1. Until Perry entered the race a short while ago, it wasa obvious ( indeed, you’d written about it often) that the majority of the GOP base was not happy with the candidates so far. Thus, there was a real opportunity for her, if she ran. Now that Perry’s, what’s the lady to do..immediately endorse someone else? Give her some time to reassess and decide.

    2. Obama, the Dems, AND the MSM have a vested interest in the GOP picking the nominee as soon as possible. The election should be a referendum on Obama, and he will lose that vote. The ONLY chance he has, is to demonize and destroy the GOP candidate…With $100 million, and enough time…he might do it…so why shoudl we be so eager to help themj out?

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Thanks for proving Erick’s point so vividly.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Thanks for proving Erick’s point so vividly.

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    among conservatives at this point. The hale bopp comment is very true, part of my anti-palin stance has been because there where enough of the palinistsas out there that we would all have to end up getting behind her and drinking our poison koolaid at midnight.

    The goal in 2012 is to beat Obama, not to make our emotions feel good, and therefore Palin can’t be that person to lead us.

  • azaeroprof

    including the original post.

  • azaeroprof

    How quickly we forget.

  • azaeroprof

    Erick must get lots of “hate” mail from some Palin supporters. Because on RedState, for every one irrational Palin “fan”, I’ve seen 5-10 snide comments about “Ste Sarah”, shriners, and one-handed typing.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    I also didn’t think she could win. But putting that aside, at this point I think the most valuable service she could provide is as a lightning rod and attack dog.
    I haven’t seen anybody with her ability to turn the press upside down in a while. Probably since Reagan.
    I think she could provide many years of service to conservatives doing mostly what she has done.
    Baffling the press and the left. She has generally been able to make them look childish, foolish or both.
    We get all of the advantages of her charm and media agility without the downside of her now considerable negatives.

  • garythompson

    in 2004 the far left was so confident in Bush’s defeat they nominated a very liberal candidate in Kerry. Bush beat him because the dems lost the middle. let’s not do the same thing in 2012. Taking back the White House is critical to reversing the slide in America and all the candidates in the race now are saying the right things – repeal obamacare, reduce regulations, lower corporate taxes, etc. We don’t need to nominate a candidate that is so far right, we gift wrap another four years of obama for the progressives. Palin has her role and is filling it wonderfully.

  • annas

    You are absolutely right! I was a huge Sarah fan when we first started talking about a nominee. I took on everybody who dissed her or said she could not win. She has drawn this thing out and teased about a run to the point that I have moved on. I am now supporting Perry. All the “I can’t possibly support Perry based on the ________(fill in the blank)” comments are coming from the Palinbots you mention in your posting. I was a huge fan, so will never diss Palin, but I have now moved on to support a candidate who can win.

    Thanks,

  • NeoKong

    How many other candidates has he told us all would make a good president and then just a few months later he is tossing them overboard ?
    Mitch Daniels…Tim Pawlenty…Herman Cain….etc.

    It is getting to be that an early endorsement from Erick is like the kiss of death for a candidate.
    How long before we read Enough!!!! about Rick Perry ?
    How long before he is calling his supporters crazy like so many other times?

  • rattlerjake

    Abbreviations that are not recognized by everyone don’t get your point across.

  • 2warabnvet

    is more fanatic than Ron Paul fans. Nobody is more clueless than Obama fans.

  • gunslingr45

    Palin fans have become an online fixture with more venom and insanity than the most rabid Ron Paul fan.

    While I am a Michele “rabid fan” I have to say good way to skip around this rule, be the writer. I know some of them Paul fans have been downright mean, but I have never been attacked by a “rabid Palin” supporter. I have been attacked here at redstate for saying I wouldn’t vote for Mitt if he were the last RINO on earth and I still won’t.
    So attack away, this is as respectful as I can be when poking someone with a stick.

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

    It’s old RedState jargon.

  • JSobieski

    The one person who brought about the existence of the tea party is Obama and his policies.

    Palin did a good job of amplifying what was there, but I recall a certain CNBC reporter as being the person who first got the tea party movement rolling.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

    Sarah Palin has the right to run if, when, and how she chooses.

    If it doesn’t meet your designs on how a candidate should run then don’t vote for her.

    If she can muster the resources to get herself into the mix then that is her prerogative, same as each other American citizen is entitled to.

    Even if she doesn’t run, the other candidates will need her support, and that is what really has the elites up in arms… the fact she has some definitive control over what happens in the coming election, regardless of what they say.

  • westcoastpatriette

    nt

  • gekster

    Sarah Palin has control of Sarah Palin, and alot of people do not like that.

  • bs61

    If you would have been a long time reader of RedState, you would see they are not the GOP establishment – but they are very practical – when the poll numbers say!

  • gunslingr45

    if she doesn?t run, the other candidates will need her support, and that is what really has the elites up in arms?

    As well as the liberals. Now talk about hate. I would love to see them if she throws her weight behind whom ever gets it. They will be even more RABID. And as we all know they can be a LOT of fun to watch.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Before St. Neil disabled it, you could put “nt” or a variant at the end of the comment title and leave the comment field blank and WordPress would allow the comment to be posted. Can’t do that anymore, text is required in the field.

    I hope that everyone realizes that Neil is the King NeoCon and RS is nothing but a NeoCon front and that by doing this they have taken away one of our most cherished freedoms. I have it on good authority that if SteSarah is elected, she’ll require RS to give us “nt” back.

  • dmacleo

    I’m personally a Cain fan but recognize the strengths palin brings to the table.
    have said before I hope she stays out and as an outsider fires up the people.

  • dmacleo

    obama may have been the straw that broke the camels back but this was a long time coming.

  • acat

    I think she’s acting as a lightning rod for Perry. If he does well, she can slide into a supporting role. If Perry flames out, she’s got time to get in.

    Mew

  • mattwaters

    I’m amazed at my weekly Human Events and daily RedState–and Week-knee Standard and monthly National Review (said with hand firmly planted on chin, in thick nasty British accent), and minute by minute Fox news–that all regularly trash–and I mean TRASH Ron Paul. This guy has done more for the conservative movement than any of you + Limbaugh have ever accomplished during your best decade.

    I have to wonder if it is not flat out envy? It reminds me of what Saul attempted to do to the soon to be king David–kill him. Why? Saul slew hundreds, David tens of thousands.

    He writes best selling conservative books wherein he uses his brain (not his body or blonde hair, lame story, opportunity or big mouth) he has built the most formidable conservative grass roots movement in this country (tea party) around ideas, he blew dust off of the Constitution, and he is totally crapped on and made fun of by “conservatives” — many of whom claim Christ.

    What is doubly amazing is the liberal press sees the obvious–from Time Magazine this week to Jon Stewart to Juan Williams arguing on NPR (http://read.bi/mtbjmi) that Paul is the guy. Am I the only one who sees this?

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Because of ballot access provisions for the primary candidates, if she doesn’t make her mind up by the end of the month, she’s going to not appear on the ballots in any of the early primary states.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

    Instead of ‘Palin bashing’, it would have been more accurate to say, “Karl Rove worshiping” though they are pretty much the same thing.

  • steebo77

    Shut up, Palin. And shut up, Palin supporters. I am a VICTIM here. You have victimized ME. You have victimized Ann Coulter. WE are the victims here! How dare you support your candidate from our half-baked criticisms, outright disdain and condescension, and not infrequent misogyny [remember the whole MILFistan episode, Erick?]. In closing, you are all CULTISTS!!!11!!11! And any and all discussion of Gov. Palin’s record, her accomplishments, or her policy positions will not be tolerated. Did I mention you are all a bunch of CULTIST FREAK ZOMBIE ROBOTS!!!111!1

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  • buddha1556

    NT

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

    And that plan may not require the traditional ‘early’ states. I think she’s been pretty involved in spite of not being in the mix, yet.

  • skorrent1

    Has two opposing meanings. We all agree that, in this context, those actively “fishing” for support and votes are the ones contributing to the effort to overthrow the Obama regime. To “cut bait” can mean that you’ve dangled your bait out there and no one’s biting, or it’s gotten snagged on something, so you “cut the line holding the bait” and give up and go home. Or it can mean that, to make the fisherman more effective, you can “chop the bait into useful pieces” to help him fish better. I hope, and I firmly believe, that when Sarah decides to “cut bait” she and her loyal followers will continue to slice and dice the liberal Democrat opposition as effectively as she has done for three years now. I can foresee many of the other current candidates (especially Paul and the Ronbots) packing up their gear and going home if they are rejected.

  • steebo77

    Because support for Palin is purely based in emotion and nothing else, right? It has nothing to do with her supporters having examined her record, her accomplishments, and her policy positions and stacked them up against the other potential and declared candidates. Because they are all a bunch of mind-numbed ZOMBIE CULTIST FREAK ROBOT FREAK ZOMBIE CULTISTS!!!11!1

    Mass suicide jokes appear to be all the rage around these parts.

  • lineholder

    I happen to like Ms. Palin. I’ve had my share of questions about whether or not she is the candidate who can provide what this nation needs right now. Still have them for that matter.

    But the biggest complaint I have at this point, which is just a personal idiosyncrasy on my part, has to do with commitment. If someone doesn’t stand up and say very plainly “Yes, I’m willing to make the commitment to lead” as a candidate for President, why should I give them the time of day in evaluating whether or not I will support them? Why should I be the one to make the commitment to someone who hasn’t made a commitment?

    Like I said, just a personality quirk on my part.

  • acat

    and she’s not going to win N.H. in any event so .. doing a write-in campaign for Iowa and South Carolina, and then being on the ballot later on wouldn’t cost her too much…. and she might get more press out of the heterodox play than out of trying to win by being orthodox.

    Note – I’m just filling in for the devil here. I’m not saying Palin *should* do this, it appears patently insane, but .. it also appeared insane when Kennedy campaigned in Iowa for the nomination instead of visiting the Dem powers-that-be and clinching it in smoke-filled rooms so .. there’s a case that she *could*.

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    “No, I don’t want to lead.” Then 6 months later when it looks like you have a chance to win, saying “Oh, I changed my mind. I do want to lead.” A smart, humble servant SHOULD have some reluctance to subject themselves to this race. The ones that scare me are the Newt Gingrich’s who want the job so badly that they campaign for 10 years to get it.

  • acat

    The 5 refers to a long-abandoned comment rating system, 5 was the best score someone could give a comment so .. naturally, some folks still “give a 5″.

    Mew

  • Scope

    At last count, there are 191 comments, mostly by the Palin cultists, acting as bad as, if not worse that the Paulbot cultists.

    EE please, please do us all a favor, and stop writing about Palin, good, bad, or indifferent. I wish that any and all reporters would stop following her around, and writers, bloggers, and everyone else would ignore Palin, until she actually announces, or says she is not running. Palin decides to pop up, in interesting venues, just to keep her cult of following running after her and her every word.

    This site is all but unreadable today. The shrine of Palin has been breached by EE, and the hordes are out in full force. Ann Coulter is correct, most conservatives don’t dare criticize her in the least, or you are given the same treatment that the Palin supporters defend Palin for receiving. The double standard there is rich.

  • JSobieski

    Nobody is denying Palin’s RIGHT to do anything. What they are saying is that certain things are good/beneficial and other things are bad/harmful. If a political site like RS isn’t supposed to do that, there isn’t much of a reason for anyone to be here.

    P.S. The elites/establishment meme is tired. Perry is no more an elite than Palin is.

  • Whacker77

    I don’t get Sarah Palin or the love for her. As I’ve written before, I think her nomination was a much needed shot in the arm in 2008. McCain was always going to lose, but his choice of her was a much needed shot of enthusiasm for the conservative base.

    Sadly, it’s been all downhill for Palin since her convention speech. She flopped in her interview with Charles Gibson. A few weeks later she couldn’t even answer what papers she read when asked by Couric. Certainly, the media was out to get her, but she gave them plenty of ammunition.

    I don’t know with Palin will do, but I tend to agree with the Hale Bopp comment. I’ve been saying for months just her entry into the race will be very harmful to Republicans. Why? First, if she wins the nomination, she’ll lose BIG TIME to Obama. What’s gained by that?

    Second and more troubling is this. She’ll very likely lose the nomination fight, but will she and her loyalists accept defeat? They’ll probably feel the establishment sabotaged her and they may sit on their hands in the general election. Who’s to say she won’t fight all the way to the convention saying the party needs a strong debate?

    More than likely, her entry will produce a shattered Mitt Romney as nominee. If she’s really out for conservative goals, why would she get in and dilute the conservative vote? Given that fact, I believe any run by her is just about her own vanity.

  • skorrent1

    n/t

  • JSobieski

    “Without Palin and the spirit she brought to the GOP, there is no Tea Party. Without the Tea Party, there is no 2010, and without 2010, there wouldn?t be a prayer in 2012.”–quote from above

  • Scope

    to many of the die hard supporters. I’ve read many many times comments that they will write her in, if she decides not to run.

  • ihateliberals

    she can’t run for President and win the nomination. If she should win the nomination she will ultimately lose because the independents wold not vote for her. As Chairwoman of the RNC she might be able to pump some life into that filed organization. Micheal Steele almost destroyed all credibility with his throwing conservatives under the bus. This guy, I can never renumber his name, doesn’t do anything for the party. While Micheal was always in the news no one has ever heard from this guy. Like I said i can’t ever remember his name.

  • azaeroprof

    The conservative movement was demoralized and without energy. The McCain campaign was moribund. Had he nominated a boring candidate (e.g.Pawlenty) or a squish (e.g. Romney) or a bigger squish (e.g.Lieberman), he loses by 15+, the millions of volunteers don’t get energized to come out of the woodwork to work for McCain/Palin, and the battery is dead when Rick Santelli tries to start the engine. And much to ColdWarrior’s chagrin, our 40% of filled PC positions in my county would be more like 20% without Palin’s nomination.

  • lineholder

    of the behavior of Palin’s supporters do you not understand?

    Do you think comments such as the one you have made will win voters over?

    Or are you just expressing your resentment that you feel towards Erick or towards others who may not support Ms. Palin in the same way that you do?

  • Goldwater_Conservative

    she quit, there isnt much to examine. If she had stuck it out and governed at least her full term then I would agree with you.

  • buddha1556

    This is at least the 3rd time I’ve seen you crying about that “typing with one hand” comment from several weeks ago, and I’m a causal reader of this site.

    First of all, the “one hand typing” comment was both accurate and hilarious. If you’re that offended by it, I suggest you call AOL and cancel your dialup connection. That’s life on the internet, and sarcasm is the universal language of the internet.

    Secondly, what EE is talking about is not “behind the scenes.” As a casual reader, I’m very much turned off by many of the Palin supporters who have not learned the nuances of discussion. They are biased by their passion, and demonstrate pronounced intolerance to even modest dissent. What EE speaks of is very real, and it’s right in front of your face.

  • gekster

    then that maybe that candidate is not as conservative as you may think.

    Since you do appear to support RP, can you tell me why he rails against pork spending on the one hand, and all the while taking pork with the other.

    And the ‘money is going to get spent anyway’ won’t fly.

    Thats like getting a $10,000 loan for a car, buying one for $5.000, and then spending the other $5,000 insted of giving it back to the bank, because you were going to spend it anyway.

  • conservativemusician

    I blame Palin because she refuses to declare one way or the other. She is the one who is fueling the speculation on both sides of the political spectrum – as well as the division she is causing within the conservative base.

    I have no idea why she is prolonging this process, but I agree with Erick that it is time for her to make a decision and get on with it. If she is really serious about running for president, then she should have declared by now and stop teasing everyone by saying she is still considering a run. At this point, even if she were to get in, I would personally support a more electable candidate, such as Perry.

  • buddha1556

    Have not adopted it to date as I’m more apt to verbalize my thoughts. Will keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    I don’t think it holds up.
    I know the C4L leader in Massachusetts and they heavily supported Brown even though he hardly fits the conservative mold. They didn’t stay home and they didn’t endorse Kennedy the third party libertarian in the race.
    There clearly are some Paul supporters who will stay home but Romney supporters for example are just as likely to stay home if a RINO isn’t selected.
    Seems like one thing we should be doing is not attack people we mostly agree with so they don’t get alienated and stay home.

    Just let Paul have his run. He won’t win the primary. He may force a broader discussion of fiscal conservatism. Most of his supporters will vote Republican in the general if we don’t send them home.
    Let the site admins clear up anybody obnoxiously pushing Paul.

  • azaeroprof

    Don’t see how “cleverly” accusing someone of masturbating because they support a female candidate fits under the guise of “Be respectful, or be banned.”

    (BTW, I’ve never had AOL, I have a 50M high-speed connection, and haven’t had dialup in many years.)

  • steebo77

    Try reading this. You might learn something.

    Gov. Palin?s Record by the Numbers
    http://pa4palin.blogspot.com/p/gov-palins-record.html

  • steebo77

    to Palin supporters is to be disingenuous. For proof of this, try reading the comment sections on Hot Air or even this website whenever Rick Perry’s record is questioned. However, in those instances, it is a candidate’s actual record being discussed, not the behavior of his supporters. It is becoming increasingly acceptable to criticize Palin for her supporters daring to support her, but any time someone seeks to inject facts into the discussion regarding Perry’s record the “cultist” meme is trotted out.

    I don’t resent that others may not support Palin, or that they may support other candidates. That is perfectly fine and to be expected. What irks me is the shallowness of the “her supporters are all a bunch of mind-numbed robots.” What also irks me is that Erick and others who have written or said similar things never bother to discuss Palin’s merits as a candidate in the same way they would discuss other candidates. The focus is never on her record, her accomplishments, or her policy positions. If the supposed lunacy of her supporters is always being highlighted, then no one need ever discuss the substance.

  • lineholder

    is that both Palin and Perry had implied that they weren’t proactively seeking candidacy for the Presidency at the time that the comments were made, but it was a “wait and see how things go” context by both parties.

    No offense to you, because you’ve been a very rational Palin supporter, ‘prof, but some of them aren’t. They take it very personally that anyone might not support Ms. Palin and act as if there is some sort of deep conspiracy against her when there are just people like me out here who have our reasons for responding in the way that we do that aren’t in the least bit associated with EE or RS or any other political pundit. It’s almost as if they can’t wrap their minds around that kind of reality, you know?

    Newt Gingrich is by far one of the most historically and politically informed candidates in the race. I greatly appreciated his comments about American exceptionalism that he made at the forum in SC. It’s Newt’s tendency to compromise on principle, both in his personal and professional life, that bothers me.

    Believe it or not, even though he may not a viable candidate at this point, the person I find most inspiring is Cain. But then again,I have a free-market streak a mile wide and a fathom deep. Still, I don’t go about bashing anyone and everyone that isn’t a Cain supporter.

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    and on that basis I can respect them.

    If she had made a solid commitment to the race, Erick would be discussing her candidacy as valid. I have no doubt that. But she hasn’t made that commitment, steebo77. That’s just how it is.

    IMO, and that’s all it is, this particular electoral season has everyone on edge, far more so than we might normally see, because there is so much at stake. The left is trying to get geared up financially. The base is dispirited right now, and there’s no knowing what kind of tricks the left may have up their sleeves to try to pull of Obama’s re-election. I think there’s just this sense of wanting some sense of stability on candidates, even though it is earlier in the season than normal. That’s just my opinion on the situation.

  • JSobieski

    What do you consider Palin’s most significant accomplishment (as governor) to be?

  • kestrel

    I have thought that Palin herself hasn’t known, and may still not be sure, whether she would/will run. (In other words, I believe her when she says she’s undecided. I know, what a novel approach.) She hasn’t been intentionally teasing people, but in order to keep the option open for running, she has to do certain things, including scheduling speeches that she could use to announce, should the time become right.

    At present, I think she is mainly waiting to see if Perry waxes or wanes. Broadly speaking, if his support keeps increasing, she’ll endorse him. If something goes seriously wrong for him, she’ll get in. But she will not turn back from her decision, so I am content to let her to decide in her own good time and by her own judgment. Let us break out the harmonicas in Camp “What’s the Rush?”

  • westcoastpatriette

    It is hard to give Sarah the benefit of the doubt at this stage of the game with respect to her reasons for dragging out her decision. It seems no matter how you look at her reasoning for doing so, it leaves one feeling used in order to abide her unquestionable wisdom for doing so.

    Everything about this election is magnified and compounded by the near depression-like condition of the economy coupled with the agony we all feel as we helplessly watch the closest thing to a full-blown Marxist we have ever had in the White House systematically destroy our country. So, everybody’s nerves are a little on edge, wouldn’t you say?

  • steebo77

    Perry made an explicit promise in the January 2010 Belo Debate that, if re-elected to another term, he would serve the full four years. He said something to the effect that, if there’s another job better than being the governor of Texas, it “hadn’t been made yet.”

  • azaeroprof

    I don’t have time to go back and dig up the links, but I do recall Perry saying multiple times that he was not interested in running for POTUS. And Palin has said all along that she is considering it and weighing the decision.

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t fault Perry for that. It seems to be the way most politicians operate. But to criticize Palin for “dragging it out” when we are still over 3 weeks away from her stated decision time strikes me as at least unfair given her consistency in this regard.

  • JSobieski

    than we would like to believe. People latch onto a candidate, and use dismissive terms to characterize everyone else. Of course, Palin supporters never through out terms like “elitist” or “establishment” in sloppy ways? I don’t use those words or the word “cult” because the terms are so emotionally loaded at this point that they serve no informational purpose.

    I also agree that Palin’s record is rarely discussed. However, that is in part because Palin supporters on the whole tend to gush more about her political impact than about any particular policy result she has ever contributed to.

    I enjoy a Palin speech far more than I enjoy Palin supporters talking about Palin. The same is true for most of the other candidates.

    People are going to reap what they sow, and that goes for Palin supporters as well as everyone else.

  • steebo77

    During her governorship:

    ? Alaska ranked second in the nation for job growth.
    ? Alaska ranked 3rd in the nation for change in the unemployment rate relative to the national average.
    ? Alaska ranked 4th in the nation in GDP growth.
    ? Alaska ranked 4th in the nation in per capita GDP growth.
    ? Per capita GDP grew $5,251 ($2,100 per year) more in Alaska than in the nation.
    ? Alaska?s economy grew 2.79% faster per year than the U.S. economy.
    ? The State’s General Fund averaged an annual surplus of more than $2.6 billion (up from her predecessor’s average of $1.0 billion), amounting to 24.4% of average revenues over the same period.
    ? At the close of Gov. Palin?s final fiscal year, Alaska?s General Fund had grown to $15.5 billion, equal to 158% of yearly revenues.
    ? Total State liabilities decreased 34.6%, or 11.5% per year
    ? Total State liabilities per capita decreased 37.7%, or 12.6% per year

    Not to mention her hard-nosed negotiations with the Big Three oil companies, opening up the Alaska gasline project to free market competition and correcting the corrupt system of taxation that had been put in place during the closed-door dealings of the previous administration.

  • JSobieski

    Perry for example didn’t go to Iowa and New Hampshire as a non-candidate to give national speeches.

    Perry’s non-candidancy time was far different than Palin’s non-candidacy time.

  • steebo77

    Requests for federal earmarks declined dramatically in each of the fiscal years for which Sarah Palin exercised budgetary authority for the State of Alaska. In FY2007, Gov. Frank Murkowski requested $350 million in federal appropriations, which Gov. Palin reduced to $256 million in FY2008, $198 million in FY2009, and $69 million in FY2010. Overall, Palin cut earmark requests by more than 80% during her tenure as Governor.

  • kestrel

    The Internet Acronyms Dictionary. It answers most of my questions of this type. One of my kids told me about it.
    http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/

  • azaeroprof

    This whole thread, and the ill will that it will leave in its wake, is simply the construction of impatience (Erick’s in this case, since it’s his post).

    I sense that, now that we have a non-Romney leading in the polls, there is a rush to get this primary thingy over with so we can start the Perry vs Obama campaign. I like Perry, don’t get me wrong, but the guy has yet to appear in a national debate, has only a few weeks of the national MSM colonoscopy so far, and has a few things in his background that I’d like to know more about.

    And hey, the Iowa caucuses are still 5 months away. This race is just starting.

  • steebo77

    Palin served in many other important executive capacities:

    * Mayor/City Manager, City of Wasilla (1996 ? 2002)
    * Board Member, Alaska Municipal League (199? ? 1999)
    * President, Alaska Conference of Mayors (1999 ? 2002)
    * Chairperson, Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (2003 ? 2004)
    * Chairperson, Interstate Oil & Gas Compact Commission (2008 ? 2009)
    * Chairperson, National Governors Association Natural Resources Committee (2008 ? 2009)

  • lineholder

    I’ll echo a statement I made above. I think this particular electoral season has everyone on edge, far more than we normally see. There just a lot at stake.

    There’s just been so much uncertainty already, ‘prof. It casts a dark cloud over just about everything that it touches these days. I’m going to make an observation about the political environment, and it just opinion on my part. I think that in this particular race, voters are looking for something to look forward to, something that lets them be hopeful, something that represents stability…and they’re looking towards the candidates in the race to provide these things. I know that it isn’t typical, but I think that’s how it is this time. Even this early out, I think that’s how it is.

    If that is true, then Ms. Palin is justing reading the environment incorrectly by waiting, okay?

  • azaeroprof

    After Perry’s announcement that he was considering a run, I believe he did go to Iowa, NH, or both and give speeches.

    You can argue that Perry was smarter to claim he didn’t want to run, then have a shorter “maybe” period. He avoided the “political tease” criticism that way.

  • JSobieski

    The conservative movement was just (if not more so) demoralized after Obama’s election and swearing in as it was when Palin got the VP nomination.

    Conservatives were very quite at the beginning of the Obama administration, which suggests that it wasn’t Palin’s nomination or Palin that go things rolling.

    What got things rolling was the stimulus and the push for Obamacare. The Tea Party movement happened for the same reason why most recessions are followed by dramatic growth, there is a springing effect when you hit rock bottom.

    The tea party arose when we were at an all time low in morale.

    Most tea party people were never involved in politics before the tea party, so they weren’t mobilized by Palin’s running in 2008 because by definition—they were never involved in prior activities.

  • After Seven

    Let her! What’s the big deal? She’s on record saying that she has to be in or out by the end of the month….so what’s another 3 weeks.

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    Why does someone have to conform to “your” time table on a run for President? Just because you and Ann Coulter are “tired” of waiting is not a valid point. Who cares if you are tired of waiting. Today’s society is all about instant gratification on a personal level and this is the same thing. So because you wanted an announcement months ago you have “had enough”. Not the right way to think.
    I actually don’t see a reason for Palin to run with a strong Rick Perry but at the same time she has every right to get in or not get in when she wants to. This lack of patience by people is part of the problem with our society.
    I think the campaigns start WAY to soon these days. And it is because the media has “required” it just so they have something to talk about. As soon as Obama was elected the media starting talking about who would run against him next time around.
    Stating your intentions in the month of September is actually a good place to do it in my view. Instead of calling for an earlier and earlier start to the Presidential race we should be calling for it to start later so the country can worry about more important things than politics…like the economy.
    The media gives us a never ending barrage of President Obama. All day, on the hour, every day. It never ends. Like the President is God and everything in our lives revolves around him and what he says and does. As if we can’t go a day without hearing what Obama is saying or doing. We need to stop this obsession with the President and go back to a day where our country is what mattered most.

  • azaeroprof

    I think you’re right about the environment.

    I think Palin’s strategy and timetable were fine until Perry vaulted to the top of the polls. Now there is a sense that we’ve found our “savior” and it’s time to close the door. I think that’s a very risky strategy given Perry’s short time as a national candidate so far.

  • JSobieski

    The resulting copy and paste is indicative of how it is hard to have a real conversation with gungho Palin supporters.

    I am sincerely curious as to what you find to be her greatest accomplishment?

    For example, I think for Perry his greatest accomplishment is probably job creation in Texas during the recession.

  • skorrent1

    Into the convention after McCain had it sewed up is not an indication of willingness to support the GOP candidate wholeheartedly vs the Dem. More like “My way or the highway”.

  • JSobieski

    let them. What’s the big deal?

    Why can’t voters decide that a candidate’s pre-candidacy waiting time is too long?

    Palin can do what she wants.

    Commentators can do what they want.

    Voters will vote how they want.

    We all have to live with the consequences of our own decisions.

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    I’m not one of them.

    He represents the old establishment mentality a bit too much for my taste. This is a whole new era we’re going into, with challenges we probably didn’t expect to be facing in our lifetimes. And I don’t see the old-guards are being open-minded or free-spirited enough to take that one on.

    I wish they did, because their realm of experience could prove to be invaluable.

  • buddha1556

    “Female” had nothing to do with that comment. The implication was that the reasoning was emotional (bordering on hormonal) and not factual. The same could be (and has been) said of overly fervent supporters of any candidate.

    People have varying opinions of what constitutes respect. I think there is a wide gap between “a bit juvenile” and “disrespectful.” If memory serves, it was mod that made that comment anyway. At very least, it was a long-time poster. As with any group, there is a hierarchy, so maybe that person was given a longer leash than you or I.

    Either way, it was a throw-away line. I’ve seen enough of your comments to know you’re not a troll. It undermines your other comments to dwell on it. I doubt I’m the only one to notice the fixation.

  • http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

    I am not a Sarah Palin supporter and never have been. I am also not a Ron Paul supporter. I see the dedication that both candidates’ supporters have to their candidate, however. The dedication is pretty much where the similarity ends in my experience.

    Otherwise, my experience is pretty much the same as Chemical Sam’s. When I say I do not support Ms Palin the supporter may say one or two more things and that is the end of the conversation. However, my experience with Paul supporters is that no degree of reason has any effect on them. They really do come across not simply as zealots, but as cult followers.

    Ron Paul can do no wrong in the minds of his supporters. It does not matter how many inconsistencies one points out in his past; the only inconsistencies that matter (this cycle) are those of Rick Perry. It really is becoming more of an anti-Perry candidacy than it is anti-Obama.

    For my part, I have a dog in the hunt right now. But if he ends up not being the candidate I will support and work for (not just hold my nose and vote for) whoever is the Republican candidate. That is the way the system works. Now folks might not like the system, but that does not change the system. There are two parties in this country for a reason. We do not have proportional representation, but geographical representation. That means every election is a winner take all election.

    Sadly, I do not believe the Paul supporters will be on board with our two party system come 2012. For so many of them it is Paul or nothing. They may not sit out the race or vote for Obama. But neither will they work diligently in the precincts for the ultimate candidate of the Republican Party.

    Paul bailed out of the Republican Party in 1987 to join the LPs. He gave as his reason(s) at the time that Reagan had moved the party in the wrong direction. So if Reagan is not good enough for Paul, I would suggest that there is not a candidate anywhere EXCEPT for Paul who would be acceptable to his supporters.

    If I was not plain above, I would support Palin in 2012 if she were the candidate. I do not believe she will be and I will work for another until it is clear that Palin is the candidate. That’s the way the system works.

  • conservativemusician

    Every time I see Palin at various events, I am left with the feeling that she is waging an internal battle. I think she probably knows in her heart that she cannot get elected, but the competitive fire within her just can’t stay away from the fray. Also, I think she is nursing a grudge against the left-wing media for the way she and her family have been treated, and so is taking great joy at every opportunity to rub their noses in it as long as she has the ability to do so. She’ll string them along as long as she can, but in the process, she runs the risk of angering the conservative base that she will need if she wants to win the nomination. Hence, this post by Erick.

    Palin is unconventional, but if she becomes a true candidate, she is going to have to get more specific on what her policy positions are going to be. She can’t just rely on the populist rhetoric and her charisma that served her well on the stump in 2008. The country fell for that schtick with Obama, so now we are demanding real substance, not platitudes. My fear is that when she does so, she will expose once and for all just how unqualified she really is at this point in her political maturation.

    I think Palin would have been much better off if she had not run with McCain and instead finished out her term as governor and then built her case for future elections by serving in Congress or in a cabinet position. I believe she is conservative, but she still needs more seasoning. However, at this point, the damage has been done to her to the point where she may never again be considered a viable presidential candidate. Perhaps this is the main reason why she is hanging around and eyeing 2012 as her only chance.

    I don’t dislike Palin and I mean no offense to the die hard Palin supporters here, but I think for the good of the party, she needs to step aside and work behind the scenes to get a more electable GOP candidate into office.

  • steebo77

    is her capable fiscal management of the State of Alaska, which blows the records of Perry, Romney, and Huntsman out of the water.

    She showed fiscal restraint through good economic times and bad. She actually oversaw a reduction in her State’s liabilities while other governors presided over debt explosions. She used surpluses to begin tackling the State’s pension problem, to forward-fund education, and to grow the Constitutional Budget Reserve and the Statutory Budget Reserve.

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    Reagan says in his book that he believes that a good candidate should be reluctantly talked into running. He resisted many times and said he was not running but finally was talked into it. I don’t view Palin’s waiting as someone not being willing to commit. She is just going by a more traditional time table based on how the campaigns used to be. And it is unfair to bash her because of this.

  • azaeroprof

    My “say so” is based on my own observations. The mad dash of volunteers and new PC’s starting on 8/29/08 (myself included, I had been “meaning” to sign up as a PC for several years). The fact that many of them are still PC’s and about half of the Tea Partiers I see at our rallies are from the Palin-awakened crowd. To be sure, the other half are folks that showed up new as of 4/15/09. I just don’t see the Tea Party having nearly the same impact without that first burst of energy that was just waiting for a way to express itself after Obama’s election.

  • kestrel

    When I read this piece, I thought, “…what?” It doesn’t seem to follow from what I’ve seen here, at least not in its vehemence.

  • acat

    She’s said she’ll back a “true conservative”, whatever that means, if one gets in…. and all her alleged anti-Perry shots could just as easily be anti-Obama…

    The problem, in part, is that some – not all – Palin supporters have gotten to a point where they’re “interpreting” what she says – and yet, at the same time, demanding that those of us who do not support a Palin run accept her words at her resignation at face value.

    It’s reminding me a little of watching people try to pull predictions from the writings of Nostradamus….

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    Did you miss the part of Erick’s post that was complimentary of her in many ways? If you did, allow me to re-post here:

    “Sarah Palin is a great person. She?s a great fighter. She draws in awesome attention and rallies a crowd. She has some terrific and loyal supporters I don?t want to lump in with the loud voices largely now disconnected from political reality.”

    Everything Erick has posted here is 100% FACT with regards to Sarah Palin and many of her supporters…EVERYTHING. Anyone who doesn’t bow to the altar of Palin is attacked by these people. The problem, is, 2012 ISN’T ABOUT SARAH PALIN. It’s about unseating this monstrocity of a president before the entire country crumbles under the weight of his terrible public policies…period. With or without Sarah Palin, the future of this republic depends on this.

  • ArchTriumph

    Hers.

    I think she’s known for years that she wants to run. The question is can she raise the money and get the broad support she needs. Her main weapon is this attraction to her every move. The old and new media respond and react to her every move. She’s continued to gain name recognition and stay in the headlines simply by showing up and slamming Obama.

    I agree with most of EE’s points. I’ve like her willingness to stand on principle and think she presents the most stark contrast to Obama, in both content and tenor. She has the greatest ability to do damage to Obama – pulling no punches and to the main stream media – demonstrating their vile bias. And she would do the most damage to the Leviathan.

    But, we are getting to the point where she needs to make a decision.

    The 24-hour news cycle is not based in reality. She knows this.

    The time is near and I think she knows it too. Let’s hear what she says.

    If she won’t run, many of us will back Perry without reservation.

  • lineholder

    but in this electoral season, I think it’s a risk we’d be facing, regardless of who the nominee turns out to be.

  • APA Guy

    n/t

  • lineholder

    is “how campaigns used to be”. That is how they used to be, but this isn’t just any campaign. This electoral season is unusual to say the least, and the political environment isn’t “typical” or “normal” by any stretch of the imagination.

  • oldphart

    makes a decision to run/not run good or bad? Is it the timing or the end result? If Palin were to announce today and go on to sweep the primaries and the general election we (RS included) would hail her sensible timing. If she waits until the end of September and does the same thing we’d still congratulate her. If she were to lose then there’d be a lot of ‘I told you so’s’ floating around the net.

    Let’s face it, she doesn’t run a ‘Romney-style’ campaign. She doesn’t solicit money from her backers and then throw it at the media networks. Nor does she pander to those same networks as do all the other candidates. Instead, she goes to the people, often with no bodyguards other than Todd or Piper. Get used to it! She doesn’t run a conventional campaign. She never has… and she has a record of winning.

    So when I see pieces by “pundits” saying she can’t win because she’s waited too long to declare I have to wonder what most (not all) of those pundits have to gain or lose by her timing. Book contracts perhaps? Speaking engagements? Maybe just a favored place at the trough.

    For the record: I want her to run and win. I think she IS running; she just hasn’t declared yet. I don’t know if she can win but then neither does anybody else. There’s just too many variables in that equation to attempt anything more than a semi-intelligent guess.

    Which is all Karl Rove or Ann Coulter or Erick can do until the votes are counted.

  • http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

    with the powers that be in both those states.

    But the operative aspect of your comment, IMO, is when you stated AFTER Perry’s announcement.

    What we are seeing from Ms Palin is taking place either BEFORE or APART FROM her candidacy.

    Is that a reason to fault her? Possibly not — and that is not the reason for my reply. I simply point out that the parallel is not really there.

  • oldphart

    I understand why he brings the bacon home to his constituents. He fights against nearly every tax proposal and loses. So the next best thing he can do for his district is to find a way to return some of that lost revenue in the form of “pork.” So, in actuality he’s being a good representative for his district.

  • gekster

    could have when you said about RP:

    This guy has done more for the conservative movement than any of you + Limbaugh have ever accomplished during your best decade.

    and this one:
    What is doubly amazing is the liberal press sees the obvious?from Time Magazine this week to Jon Stewart to Juan Williams arguing on NPR (http://read.bi/mtbjmi) that Paul is the guy. Am I the only one who sees this?

    Yep, you had me fooled.

  • lineholder

    (interesting moniker, BTW), you can justify Paul’s actions as “being a good representative for his district” if you want to, but unfortunately, with our economy being what it is, the rest of us across the country who end up paying via our taxes for these “pork” projects that politicians go so ga-ga over aren’t up to paying for it any more.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Her budgets went up every year.

    ACES is nothing more than a business tax and won’t likely survive the next legislative session. The pipeline was a boon to Canada, she paid a Canadian company about $300MM and we’ve got zip to show for it.

    And, finally, when the going got tough and all she had to do to avoid ANY liability for the “ethics” flap was call her AG and get certification that her actions were consistent with her responsibilities as Governor, she cut and ran out the back door whining about being picked on.

  • victrola

    Can we all agree that if Palin decides not to run, that she’s basically “punk’d” everyone in a publicity stunt to sell books and promote herself as a celebrity?

    What other case can be made? That she still can’t make up her mind? Is that the sort of decisive leadership you want in the White House?

    If Palin were truly interested in becoming President, she could have had the nomination on a silver platter after 2008 by finishing at least one term as Governor, hitting the books, and giving substantive policy speeches. Instead, she got a taste of the celebrity life and wanted an easy paycheck as opposed to the grueling duties of being a serious leader. She quit in the middle of her first term for dubious reasons, got book deals, did Reality TV, a show on Fox, etc. I went from being a genuine fan in 2008 to feeling like an idiot for being such a sucker.

    You can tell she’s figuring out her star is fading, and the absolute only way she can get attention any more attention is by pretending to run for President.

    Conservatives need to be more aggressive about weeding out the con artists in our Party that are pretending to be serious about public office when they’re really just trying to make money off suckers. If Palin decided she just wanted to be the conservative Oprah you wouldn’t hear the same criticism (and she would also be universally ignored). Instead she has to trot out this con that she’s serious about being President.

  • robobbob

    there will be plenty of woulda, coulda, shoulda to go around.
    But I don’t think Palin has reached the “get off the pot” moment yet.

    There are some well financed campaigns with the backing of the establishment that would be formidable for Palin to overcome. The more they fling their cash at each other, as well as having to go on record with their positions increases Palins ability to outflank them.

    Romney has never been a choice for me. And as far as Perry? He’s the establishment trojan horse to make sure no real conservative changes take place and make people feel good about having a choice. His border fence comments a few days ago should be proof enough of what’s really behind his facade. He’s nothing but the insiders idea of what they think consrvatives want to hear. A vote for Perry is a vote for status quo. More statism wrapped in a red flag instead of blue.

  • kestrel

    I usually just let you speak for me on the subject of Palin :)

  • runner12

    I was thrilled when she joined the McCain camp in 2008. She made his candidacy a little more palatable. She was smart, bold, and unafraid. Unfortunately, Team McCain allowed the Left to tear her to pieces. They all but ruined the woman’s chance at future office.

    This left Gov. Palin two options. She could stay on as Governor and hope that the media moved on from her or quit and become a kingmaker and spokesperson for the resurgent Conservative movement. She chose the latter option. It is not for me to say whether or not this was a good choice or not. It is undeniable that she has been a net plus for our side in the role that she chose, although it gave little time to focus on undoing the false impression given by the media. In a sense, I think she did place country over personal gain.

    But because she was and is so polarizing she was never my first choice for President in 2012. I simply did not think she could win and I preferred her in her chosen role as kingmaker at this time.

    There may be a future role for her in a higher office, I hope there is. But if I were her, I would start in the Senate. Then she can rebuild her image through action and thus silencing her critics ( at least the sane ones).

    As to her fans, it has disturbed me lately at the level of emotion surrounding Gov. Palin. Some of them have moved beyond enthusiatic support to almost a worship-like mentality. This is not her fault, but her constant waffling is increasing the cult of personality for some and not decreasing it. I hope that she makes a decision soon.

  • funwithknives

    Two patriot-minded capitalists from Ohio attempt to set up and sell *Gadsden* Merchandise and various flags,at Michigan stops. They were advised to approach Palin’s handlers and request permission to sell. Said sellers were advised that a down payment of 40% of All Inventory was REQUIRED prior to starting. (in cash, mind you) No matter how the sales turned out, this was The DEAL. No Refunds if there were leftovers. This was for every stop, each time.
    So if anyone wants to play “Je’ Accuse’ “, with Erick,R S or Eagle Publishing, look behind/under a few more rocks first. Saint Sarah is what many perceive, as are most politicians, no more or less. A smidge more Cynicism never hurt anyone, least of all when conservatives need unity of purpose, and real leaders, now more than ever.
    Palin has played America long enough. Which is it? Thumbs up or down, Ms. Palin?
    “We’re looking through you,
    where did you go?
    We thought we knew you,
    what did We know?…..
    You don’t sound different,
    But You have changed….” {Apologies to Beatles fans, everywhere}

  • Alberta

    I hope I have enough goodwill in the bank to get away with that.

  • rightwingmom52

    and no doubt most regulars here would agree that you are respectful, thoughtful, rational commenter, especially for a Palin supporter, LOL. I’m serious about that first part and “teasing” about the last.

    For the record, I like Sarah and appreciate the energy she has brought to the party. I haven’t made my mind up re which candidate to support, and have no intention of doing so until I see more debates, so her getting in or not makes no difference to me at this point. With few exceptions, I’m going to support the GOP nominee, but at this point, my mantra is Anybody But Obama. I hope and pray our nominee will be somebody that I want to work for because he or she is a full-fledged partisan, principled conservative who will not compromise with those across the aisle or yield to the temptation of wanting to be popular once on the national stage.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    And in particular, just what have you had “enough” of.

    Are you calling for civility (and more reasoned argument) by supporters of Sarah Palin towards other Republicans/conservatives who don’t share their level of enthusiasm or support for Sarah?

    If so, that’s a reasonable plea and one that needs to be stated, given the over-the-top behavior by a fair percentage of Palin supporter at RedState over the past few months to year, assuming this sample is representative of her supporters as a whole.

    However, this call could have been posted here in fewer paragraphs without all your disclaimers and elaboration of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortunes that you have had to endure in your exalted role. Such special pleading blurs your focus and weakens the effectiveness of your argument.

    Or are you saying that Sarah has waiting too long to announce and it’s time for her supporters to “face reality” and move on to someone else…along with the implications that those who don’t move along are deluded or otherwise irrational in their support?

    If so, I can’t go along with that. Although the September 3rd date does seem to have turned out to be a dud (perhaps she changed her mind?), my understanding is that she has consistently stated that she will make a decision by the end of September. So in the larger picture, with the election still 14 months away, what’s a few more weeks?

    At that point, if she doesn’t announce her decision, it’s a different story and she has abdicated her standing. And at that point, her supporters will sort themselves out between cultists and enthusiasts.

    We will need the latter on board with whoever our candidate turns out to be. And that means respecting their current loyalty.

    So until then, those outside the Sarah Palin camp just need to hang in these few more weeks.

    And my position regarding Sarah, which I have stated on a number of occasions over the past year of longer, has not changed.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    I wish I’d written that.

  • JSobieski

    don’t “need” to do anything. The candidate has to attract voters, not vice versa.

    I am fairly certain Palin is not going to run, because if she is—-her strategy for running is self-defeating.

  • Finrod

    Well said, Loren.

  • steebo77

    of more than $2.6 billion (up from her predecessor’s average of $1.0 billion), which amounted to 24.4% of average revenues over the same period.

    Revenues increased more than expenditures, and actual spending did not actually increase every year. And included in the spending was her efforts to start tackling the State’s previously unfunded liabilities for pensions and education. She also set aside record amounts from the surplus into the Constitutional Budget Reserve and the Statutory Budget Reserve.

    ACES replaced PPT, which was a corrupt give-away to the Big Three to the detriment of the State, the citizens, and other oil and gas firms that were shut out by Murkowski’s closed-door dealings. And the gasline contract with TransCanada was a good contract. TransCanada isn’t the one holding up the process.

    And your characterization of the frivolous ethics complaints is flat-out incorrect.

  • steebo77

    and what do you think of his/her fiscal record, if he/she has one?

  • aesthete

    That’s why RS is a moderated site. Of course Palin should not have to be tied to each and every thing that her supporters say — that’s of course absurd. However, in the case of staffer comments and the commentary from owners of the most well-known Palin advocacy sites (C4P, for example), it might not hurt to have some coordination and attempt to shepherd such persons away from making destructive comments.

  • easyb

    urbandictionary.com

    There’s a lot of acronyms in there, as well as other words & phrases. If you ever need to know what the heck your kids are saying to each other, you probably will find it there…. just be aware, there’s no filter. You will find a lot of unvarnished NSFW lingo there.

    NSFW… look it up. :)

  • aesthete

    when we talked about Palin’s record on this site (and that was a lot of what site commentators from 09-10 fixated on), no one on the pro-Palin side besides azaero and gop2010 was willing to have a good-faith discussion concerning a record which was in truth much more moderate and unsuccessful than Palin’s rhetoric would have led us to believe.

  • aesthete

    Winning what? Clearly, not a Presidential election (2008).

  • aesthete

    Such as…?

  • Aaron Gardner

    ;)

  • ruexperienced

    1- They are very angry at the way Palin was treated by the media and are determined to make it right with a Palin presidency.

    2- And they also feel a chivalrous need to “rescue to damsel in distress.” So the more she is attacked, the more they support her. And even when she is slightly criticized, they rush in again to save her.

    IMO, Palin and the media cannot live without each other.

    Palin says controversial, and often hyperbolic, statements. She gets criticized by the media. Her fan base rushes out to ‘save’ her and she popularizes her brand while energizing her base. Then she responds by sticking her finger in somebody’s eye. And she gets bashed again by the media. And all of her people come running again. It may never end.

  • gt80

    Rick Perry announced at the Redstate convention. Palin hasn’t felt the need to bow to Erick’s, I mean Eagle’s, “influential blog”.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Minds? Not so much.

  • aesthete

    such that in boom times, a legislature can spend like drunken sailors and still see surpluses. That is exactly what happened during Palin’s tenure: there was a boom, revenues *and* government spending skyrocketed, and all those other indicators that you note went up. This has nothing to do with Palin: the same exact thing happened to the Dem governor of AK who preceded Murkowski. It’s worth noting that Palin had to be dragged by Republicans in the legislature to drastically cutting the budget in an emergency session, because revenues weren’t sufficient by that time to cover everything on Palin and the legislature’s wishlists. (Conveniently enough, she packed her bags just as oil revenues were souring, and as it was clear that they wouldn’t pick up for quite a while.)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    But I do know that Palin isn’t who you think she is.

    You really need to get the laptop back to your mom, and make sure you zip up before you go upstairs.

  • gt80

    The people who run these political blogs are in their own bubble. They don’t realize how few people are paying attention right now. Palin has been consistent on her timeline.

  • gt80

    the establishment enough attention.

  • steebo77

    The price of oil plummeted in late 2008/early 2009. The budgetary and economic numbers I cite run from June 2007 to June 2010, meaning that more than half of the data comes after the collapse of oil prices. The first half of Palin’s tenure was during the boom and the second half was after the bust.

    Tony Knowles consistently ran deficits and the Alaskan economy wasn’t anywhere near as strong in the 1990s. I don’t know what your talking about when you say “the same exact thing happened to the Dem governor of AK who preceded Murkowski.”

    Judging by Palin’s vetoes, she was the one reining in the legislature, not the other way around.

    Are you saying Palin’s resignation was due to oil prices collapsing in 2008/2009? That’s a new one.

  • rightwingmom52

    I know a lot of Palin supporters who are neither shriners nor idiots. Just because you don’t know them doesn’t mean they’re not out there.

  • snowshooze

    Fiscal restraint is her worst attribute.

  • steebo77

    those highlighting her record are accused of being free-loading basement dwellers who pleasure themselves to thoughts of Gov. Palin (that’s how I take the laptop/zip up line). Yet Erick Erickson feels the need to excoriate Palin’s supporters and Palin herself.

  • steebo77

    You can read all about them here:

    http://doa.alaska.gov/dof/reports/cafr.html

  • JSobieski

    If not, what was year on year spending growth?

    Alaska is an unusual state in that it practices socialism over oil rights. The fact that Palin was governor for such a short period also complicates an evaluation of her record. The CATO institute never graded her as a result.

  • Jack_Savage

    For every Palin fan that goes over the line, there are two Palin haters who are at least, if not more, hateful, vengeful and nutty. And that is just on our side.

    Behold.

  • aesthete

    Palin was complicit in the increased spending; vetoing was very region- and project- specific and was intended to punish those politicians who opposed her politically. (That’s SOP in politics that’s certainly not unique to Palin, btw, but not one that makes her a particularly transformative figure.) Look at those budget numbers again: each budget that was produced by the administration was significantly larger than the last — except for the very last one, which was revised to be significantly smaller in an emergency session which was pushed by some Republicans in the legislature. There’s always some period after the boom where the leftover money from booms can sustain the increased spending that the legislature and Governor demands.

    Question: if Palin did so swimmingly in AK, then why is it in a deficit, now? Was Parnell not her pick as successor — and could he really have screwed the pooch that much in little more than a year? I think not: rather, I think he was just left holding the bag for short-sighted policies on Palin’s part. Now, there’s nothing particularly horrible or unique about what I just said: many politicians have done just as badly if not worse. It’s the nature of the game, after all. Nevertheless, it flies directly in the face of the idea that Palin is some transformational political leader.

  • aesthete

    I do think that not having that money to play with made governing significantly less fun, and thus contributed to the decision.

  • steebo77

    Surpluses/deficits give a better picture than revenues or expenditures of the overall fiscal situation.

    Year-over-year spending growth averaged 2.2%, correcting for inflation and population growth, during Palin’s tenure.

    For comparison, average YoY spending growth was 5.5% under Romney and 6.0% under Perry (also correcting for inflation and population growth).

    Palin exercised budgetary authority for three fiscal years, which, in my opinion is more than enough to grade her, especially if Romney can be graded on just one more.

  • steebo77

    Correcting for inflation and population growth,

    * Palin averaged a 1.5% annual reduction in Alaska’s debt
    * Romney averaged a 7.7% annual increase
    * Perry averaged a 10.6% annual increase

    * Palin averaged a 23.1% annual increase in Alaska’s General Fund balance
    * Perry averaged a 12.3% annual increase
    * Romney averaged a 4.1% annual increase

  • conservativemusician

    In spite of the posts otherwise here and on other posts, Palin is going to have to decide soon. Many in the conservative base are getting more frustrated with her by the day and the base is not going to put up with this for much longer. If she continues to throw gas on the fire with her indecision, things will heat up even more on our side, and this is unnecessary in my view.

    As others have noted, being President requires decisiveness, so if she is dithering about making the decision whether or not to run, this doesn’t bode well for her when the really tough decisions come as President. Whatever her reasons for doing so, for her to stretch this out for as long as she has communicates indecisiveness.

    I’m also not convinced now with all her negatives that she can play the “kingmaker” role any longer. In fact, as others have posted, an endorsement from Palin may not be as coveted now as it might have been had she just announced earlier on that she was not running. However, even at this late date, if she were to announce she were not running, she can still go around stumping like she has been and take it to Obama. I think most conservatives would be OK with her doing that. I know I would and I would have more respect for her in this role.

    I do admire her and wish her the best, but I really don’t believe this is her time now. Hopefully, as you mention here, she will be able to serve in Congress in some capacity in order to rehab her image and get on record in support of bold policy decisions that will help turn our country around.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    A rational person – azaeroprof – is quite able to make a case for her. You, on the other hand, are an ignorant fool.

  • aesthete

    which is that when you remove the emergency budget brought about because of the obvious inability of the AK gov to pay for what it originally intended, growth was 20% over 2 years (or 10%/yr): significantly worse than Perry and Romney. A couple of other things I’d like to point out:

    1) The stat that you’re citing is “state and local”, rather than “state”. I know because I took a look at the numbers myself when I researched the candidates a while back. The governor of most states (Texas and other large states in particular) has no say over municipal or city spending: I assure you, there are lots of things being funded in Austin that the state legislature would love to get rid of! Texas’ state spending is lower as a percent than MA’s; MA’s went down at the very beginning of Romney’s term, but ballooned as a result of RomneyCare later on.

    2) You’re not correcting for population and demographics shifts. Not much changed in AK one way or the other, and in MA the “snowbird effect” caused plenty of elderly to leave (which all else being equal should reduce government expenditures), but Texas has had growth in almost every demographic category over the past 10 years (including illegals, the elderly, children and young professionals). You must control for these factors if you want to do an honest analysis. Obviously, I don’t have the raw data or the time to do that, but those considerations should be applied in all cases.

  • http://www.rightreality.wordpress.com andysmith

    I love Sarah Palin to death, but she’s not my first choice in the primary. Personally, I also think she doesn’t intend to run.
    With that being said, she doesn’t HAVE to make a decision now. If she’s planning to run, why be conventional about it? She’s shown that she’s not afraid to think or go outside of the box, so I don’t have a problem with the “tease.”
    If she can bring substance to the debate, let her run. If she forces Romney and Perry out of flip flop mode, let her run. If she can drive the craziness out of Paul, let her run. The point is I don’t care when she makes her decision.
    While Obama is an idiot when it comes to governing, the man has quite possibly the most organized political machine in the business. Going unconventional might not be such a bad idea.

  • azaeroprof

    with only minimal reservations at this point. Though I must admit that having a Perry fan liken me to a Scientologist and seeing Palin slammed as a “tease” despite the fact that she is over 3 weeks out yet from her self-stated deadline gives me pause.

  • vindex60

    Ron Paul says what every other fear mongering politican is too phony to say about Iran The other candidates all act tough on Iran, but back down when challenged on just what they would do to stop their nuclear program. Any system of sanctions would leak like a sieve. Military stikes would have very limited and temporary effects while unleashing terrorist bombings in Iraq and the states. The only true way would be a full-scale military invasion and long-term occupation. I’m waiting for Santorum, Perry, Bachmann and Romney to man up and tell the American people another trillion dollars and thousand of American lives are going to be spent on a catastrophic and unwinnable war in the MIddle East.

  • aesthete

    most of Palin’s spending was discretionary and one-time, as tends to be the case in these splurges: i.e., building a road to nowhere or funding some study or research grant. Certainly, such spending (while not ideal) is preferable to a long-term commitment to spending on an expanded government program or agency, and is easier to stop.

  • aesthete

    He’s no azaero, but at least he’s lifting from the talking points sheet that concerns Palin’s record, which is certainly better than nothing.

  • azaeroprof

    Can you provide links to the source of this data?

  • http://www.rightreality.wordpress.com andysmith

    There are enough Perry cheerleaders that will blast you almost as bad as what Palin supporters are accused of doing.

  • http://www.serr8d.blogspot.com Serr8d

    …might not include the Presidency. At this junct-ure.

    I for one enjoy her feints within feints, her major punches at LeftLibProggs and her jabs at ‘our’ ‘losing more slowly’ Beltway Brunch Bunch. These feints and jabs keep her enemies on guard and annoyed, especially the Republican ones. From whom she sucks the oxygen right out of the room whenever she’s around, as demonstrated just last weekend.

    These second-class professional beltway ‘candidates’ don’t like being treated like fugly stepsisters. Which they are, unfortunately. I’m unimpressed with the lot of them, especially Romney and Huntsman; and Perry isn’t easily digestible. Don’t even mention Paul, he’s not even a Republican.

    I’m not a ‘cultist’ for Sarah Palin by any stretch, or for anyone. But I do enjoy the theater and the whining from the ones she’s dissed.

  • http://www.rightreality.wordpress.com andysmith

    but I’d take her over some of the career flip floppers currently in the race any day of the week. And yes, I’m talking about Perry and Romney.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Goldberg?

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    What if I were not a citizen of the USA, what if my culture and religion were somewhat in disagreement with US culture?

    If I then looked at the USA on one side and Iraq on the other side, which one would make me more fearful? Which nation has gone around in the last thirty years invading other nations, destabilizing them and occupying them and killing their leaders?

    Just something to think about, and you don’t have to be anti-American to notice it.

  • steebo77

    I’m working on a new blog post which covers this material. I’ll provide a link when its ready.

  • steebo77

    The “emergency budget” is factored in. All of my figures reflect actual spending, not budgeted spending, and come from after-the-fact financial reporting.

    1) All data comes from each respective state’s Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports, which only cover state-level data. The budgets, etc., of municipalities do not factor into the numbers provided in state CAFRs.

    2) As I said in my post, I have corrected for population growth and inflation. I do have the raw data and the time to make the corrections, which are reflected in the numbers above.

  • aesthete

    Here we had a brutal dictator who nonetheless complied with what we wanted from dictators (stopped funding terror attacks and dismantled his nuclear weapons program). Yet, we supported a random group of rebels to dismantle his government first chance we got. On the other hand, N Korea, which has a much more brutal dictator, has been left alone largely because they might be a threat to an ally, because they have nukes, and because of the potential humanitarian crises that would result. If I were an evil dictator, I know what lessons *I’d* draw from that comparison.

  • azaeroprof

    steebo77 cannot be “what’s wrong with Palin’s campaign” since he/she is not part of the campaign. Neither am I. So please don’t judge Palin’s campaign on either of us!

  • steebo77

    Answer: as the final FY 2011 numbers aren’t in yet, any analysis of Parnell’s first fiscal year is premature.

  • steebo77

    I’ve taken the time and effort to gather the financial data on the governorships of Palin, Romney, Perry, Huntsman, and Pawlenty and to crunch the numbers myself. This was actually part of the process by which I came around to being a (reluctant, at first) Palin supporter.

  • steebo77

    And yet I’m the one whose taken the time to carefully analyze the fiscal record of each potential or declared candidate with state-level governing experience. Mmm-kay.

  • aesthete

    That’s the problem.

    In a hypothetical scenario where Obama finally caves due to external pressure and we get a balanced budget deal, do you think he should get the credit? No? Well, I agree: Obama would have been doing so because his hand was forced, not because of some intentional gesture on his part. Likewise, the fact that the Palin administration and those in the leg couldn’t spend what they wanted is no boon for them: raw data does not tell the whole story, and it’s clear that the Palin administration was not out front on that issue.

    I do look forward to reading your blog when you put it up, but would appreciate if you keep what I’ve written above, as well as the unique status of AK’s revenue situation, in mind when writing your post. IMO, much-needed context is lost without it.

    PS: Are you correcting for demographics? Population growth and demos are not the same thing, you know: adding 100,000 elderly folk to a state will put pressure on it in a way that isn’t true if, say, one adds 100,000 professional workers at the prime of life.

  • aesthete

    Sorry for jumping the gun; we’ve had several people in the past post verbatim a “factsheet” from Conservatives 4 Palin — one which was shoddily assembled and subsequently torn apart by the commentators, and which had “facts” similar to the ones that you noted. I’ll reserve my judgement until after I see your post.

  • aesthete

    We’ll see what happens, but I’ll be surprised if we see a surplus, given how discussions are going.

    About those actual numbers, you wouldn’t mind pointing out that the standard deviation is pretty high, yes? I’m thinking of one fiscal year in particular that would skew the mean…

  • aesthete

    Though my opinion of said campaign staff would certainly improve if you and gop2010 were on it.

  • azaeroprof

    Feel free to pass aesthete’s recommendation on to her! ;)

  • lineholder

    and this is aesthete, so take it as a compliment of the highest order.

    You do credit to your candidate, which is more than can be said for all of people, regardless of who their candidate might be.

  • aesthete

    so I might just have to drive over there and tell her myself, heh.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And since Palin has no campaign, I certainly wouldn’t judge it based on him. They should be so lucky as to be judged based on you.

    Oh, that said, the guy is still an ignorant fool.

  • snowshooze

    It was generated by tax hikes.
    Palin spends money. Gobs of it.
    And she taxed the oil industry to the brink of driving them out.
    Yep, there was a surplus… but they are spending it as fast as they can.

  • izoneguy

    for the 2020 election….

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ve been very careful to separate thoughtful Palin supporters like asaeroprof from the bulk of the idiots who’ve been posting here today.

  • williamjameson

    Most of the demonetization was orchestrated by evil liberals who operate with the Soviet Bloc mentality, think East Berlin media. If you disagree then you are one of them. The media have turned on the people and they became unhinged so much that Palin’s church was blown up and barely covered. Do you think the media would ignore it if Obama’s church were bombed? We have a media that have chosen fiction over fact and a media that choose more debt over honest debate about entitlement reform.

    I’ve also grown tired of the Palin trolldom that demands compliance that members don’t deserve. This site should never fall prey to people who rant in favor of an unfavorable presidential candidate that 71% of republican agree shouldn’t run for potus. Why because those who rant are simply trying to bully members or chase them off the site.

    Palin needs to reestablish herself by running for the Senate or House and prove to the people that the Palin we grew to admire on the campaign trail can retrain herself to speak and act like a president all the time and earn he way back into the politics. As well the Facebook comments on foreign policy and the economy show Palin needs to rethink her positions or learn from the GOP leadership.

  • snowshooze

    nt

  • traversecityconservative

    Are you serious? I’m a Herman Cain supporter but I will say this about Sarah – she can do what she wants. I like her because she’s like me. You diss her, you diss me. I don’t think you anti-Palin people get that. I like her because she doesn’t do what’s “expected”. You (and others) bitch all the time about the establishment and the elites- but you end up sounding just like them in the end. Palin’s not smart enough, Palin’s an embarrassment, Palin’s taking too long to declare, blah, blah, blah…

    I could care less when she gets in. Maybe she has personal issues she’s trying to clear up – or monetary issues – or staff issues?I really don’t care. What’s she missing? Arguing with the other 22 people on the Republican debate stage? Vetting by the media? Give me a break. There’s nothing left to vet. She does things at her own pace.

    My independent husband says if any of them truly cared about the future of our country, they’d get together in a meeting and decide who has the best shot at the job – and run one person right now. They can decide who’s Prez, VP, secretary of state, etc. and make a joint statement. I tend to agree with him. Wouldn’t THAT be a unified way to take over the country in 2012 and save us all? But no, it’s all about their own power trips.

  • powertothepeople

    Are you two separated conjoined twins or something? Pretty sad you identity is so enjoined with another who you have most likely never even met. They used to call that obsessive love and considered the condition worthy of treatment.

    And by the way, you husband is dead wrong.

  • powertothepeople

    You would think after this long on the site I would know reply to me is my friend.

  • powertothepeople

    nt

  • Scope

    The media, even before her speech, took her attacks on crony capitalism, and long term politicians, to be an attack on Perry. The thing that bothers me about her attack seemingly on all Republicans , is that even with the media frenzy, trying to intrerpret her speech, she never denied that that is who she went after. She had another speech in NH a day or so later, and, she still didn’t deny the allegations. She had every chance to dispel those false statements, if they were, and she didn’t.

    You know what acat, I woke up this morning in a fine mood. After coming to RedState, that was a goner. After going to my other daily sites, and seeing all the bots out in force, I almost decided that this game is not for me. Then I decided that the best path forward for me is to just ignore the bots, and just keep working for the candidate I support. The bots will do themselves in sooner rather than later.

    The rabid supporters of both Paul and Palin have made me despise both those candidates. I don’t think I am alone in those sentiments. The posts today have cemented my belief that if it came up between Palin, Paul and Huntsman, I’d vote for Huntsman.

  • http://www.libertygirlusa.com libertygirlusa

    I think it is impossible to compare them. He is my experience. If I criticize Paul, I am called every name in the book – an idiot neo-con who is really just working for the establishment. I go to events with them where they shout down speakers they don’t agree with (at CPAC no less).

    Palin supporters are also very enthusiastic about their support of Palin. They have found their candidate and there are no others in their book. They do get a little impatient with those of us who remain undecided. They are also quick to jump to her defense.

    Bottom line – in my experience Palin supporters generally conduct themselves with class and dignity. They are more concerned about bringing people into the fold rather than calling them names and degrading them.

    I disagree with Erick on this part of the article. Palin has her problems in this race. Her fans are not one of those problems.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’m pretty sure you’re every bit as qualified to be President of the US as Palin is.

    As far as vetting is concerned, Palin has not been vetted. She’s been personally attacked, but her pathetic record as Governor of AK, her views on policy and her ability to actually get something done have never been addressed.

  • azaeroprof

    But the fact of the matter is that she’s been attacked on so many things that don’t matter, that anyone who goes after her on just about anything now, even important things like you mentioned, will largely just generate more sympathy for her. Or at least a “ho-hum” from most folks.
    The email flap pretty much cinched that.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    While, had she been an employee of a regulated firm she would have been fired outright for using private email, the email flap ended just like I thought it would – no smoking gun. So, why was it that she steadfastly refused to ask her AG for certification that what she did was part of her job? And then she used it as an excuse to quit?

    Rhetorical question.

  • APA Guy

    “You diss (Sarah Palin), you diss me”?

    Palinistas of the world, unite! And while you’re at it, tell us what your REAL motivations are. Shouldn’t this be about electing the best conservative Republican to unseat Obama in 2012?

    Comical comment, but not unexpected.

  • traversecityconservative

    She’s more than qualified. And so am I. I’ve read the Constitution. I know what the qualifications area. If you haven’t read her book and know what she did while governor, you really have no place to comment on her qualifications.

  • traversecityconservative

    She’s more than qualified. And so am I. I’ve read the Constitution. I know what the qualifications are. If you haven’t read her book and know what she did while governor, you really have no place to comment on her qualifications.

  • traversecityconservative

    Palin-haters are usually one or the other. Just curious.

  • traversecityconservative

    decision making or ideology might be similar to me. God forbid I compare her to myself in any way to an elitist.

  • jerry39

    I already had an appreciation for her resume, but was looking for something a little more in the book. It wasn’t bad. It gave me confidence in her conservatism..The pictures of Alaska were cool.

    But having read the book, I can safely say that those who haven’t read the book are now cleared to comment on her qualifications.

    BTW, you may not comment on my comment until you have read my book. I’ll let you know when its completed.

  • streiff

    any questions?

  • jerry39

    nt

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    what the definition of “competent” is when discussing executives.

    I know exactly what she did and it isn’t reflected by her “ain’t I pretty” book. She’s arguably incompetent as an executive. She’s good at feeding fresh meat to the uninformed, but beyond that, no much there.

  • JSobieski

    (2) 35 years old (3) natural born citizen

    Mentioning the reading of the Constitution in the context of knowing what the qualifications are is kind of suspect.

    Consttitutionally speaking, millions of people are qualified to be President.

    What do you think her top achievements were as governor?

  • powertothepeople

    sad response to your pathetic post. And you should really get your own identity sometime in your adult life so that you do not obsess over someones opinion of a woman other than yourself and associate your existence with hers. Or at least go see a mind doctor and get some pills.

  • dannamay

    In fact, at this point, I would also rather that she not run, but be used as an attack specialist. I have read both of her books and I adore her, but she needs to get a little more experience under her belt. Perhaps in a Republican administration, she would make an excellent Energy Secretary. She knows energy inside and out.