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The Horserace for September 8, 2011

Mitt Romney won the NBC-Politico debate on points and Newt Gingrich won on rhetoric. But Rick Perry held his own and, consequently, locks in front runner status for now. If, however, Perry can’t improve his debate performances, he may be a short-lived front runner.

Michele Bachmann is fading from view. Newt Gingrich reminds us he is a good debater. Even the folks on MSNBC say Jon Huntsman sounded like a man in a primary with Obama. Today, we take the candidates who appeared on stage at last night’s debate and make the horse race about them.

In all seriousness, after that MSNBC debate last night, I think I need to get all the candidates to come down to Atlanta and let RedState readers ask questions — questions from real conservatives. In any event, on with the horserace.

As we get into this, it is worth noting that at this point in their first terms, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan all polled higher than Barack Obama. Only Carter polled worse.

Michele Bachmann

I don’t know what she can do to resuscitate her campaign. She has done so well, but as Rick Perry’s star has risen, Michele Bachmann has learned more and more what it is like to be Herman Cain. The debate moderators did not give her a lot of time to answer questions, but she answered her questions well. She still gives some of the best answers on Libya and Obamacare and tried her best to pick her fights with Obama instead of the rest of the field. Nonetheless, her campaign manager and deputy manager are gone. People were more interested on Twitter last night on what was up with her hair. I think she peaked too soon and is going to struggle to get back in the game.

Herman Cain

Newt Gingrich, early on, went after the moderators for trying to pick fights between the field. He sternly lectured them on it and suggested all the candidates were above picking fights with each other and instead focusing on Barack Obama.

The moderators then went to Herman Cain and Cain immediately touched on Romneycare and Mitt Romney’s record. It was a missed opportunity. Each time Cain and Gingrich have been on stage together, Gingrich has outshone Cain even on answers set up for Cain. I think Herman Cain has missed a number of opportunities in the campaign season and I don’t see how he gets it back on track.

Newt Gingrich

Arguably, even more so than Romney, Newt Gingrich won the debate. He gave brilliant answers, challenged the presuppositions of questions, and never fell flat. It is a testament to what might have been.

It is also a reminder of Newt Gingrich’s forte being the fight, but his failings being everything else. He seems now positioned as the father figure trying to keep the cats on stage with him herded and picking the fights they won’t have to — a role Sarah Palin seemed to stake out for herself, but not being a candidate it is a role now taken up by Gingrich.

Jon Huntsman

I’ve actually been more favorably impressed with Huntsman since his economics plan came out. What a juxtaposition! He offers up an impressively conservative jobs plan and throws red meat to the MSNBC crowd instead of the people whose votes he is actually courting.

Huntsman had a great, great debate performance, but as one MSNBC commentator noted, it sounded like Hunstman was running in a primary against Obama. Also, note to the Huntsman campaign: the yellow tie caused a camera distortion for a lot of people who now are comparing Huntsman’s skin tone to Charlie Crist’s. That is not a good thing. I blame the tie, which was a sharp looking tie, but that solid yellow does not work on television.

Still, it was Huntsman’s best debate performance, though I do not see how he translates this into momentum. If nothing else, it reassured me he’ll still be on the team when the primaries end.

Ron Paul

Ron Paul ran the only email rapid response last night. It was 100% against Rick Perry. There is some real hate there. Ron Paul now hates Rick Perry, Ronald Reagan, Israel, a strong national defense, and a secure border. He is cool with the Soviets, having denounced Ronald Reagan’s cold war strategy against them. He’s hunky dory with Iran, North Korea, and pretty much everyone else having nukes. And he still loves him some gold and silver.

He’ll hang on. But he will not be the nominee. What the hell with the border fence keeping us in? Hello? We can just go cross over into Canada.

Rick Perry

All eyes were on Perry. He stumbled his way through the debate. He did okay. He held his own. He did not blow himself up as people feared. That, in and of itself, is a win, but between his performance and Romney’s, Romney had a better performance.

Perry gave an epic retort on Karl Rove, which will only help him long term. He could have had a stronger answer on social security and global warming, but his answer was more for the zeitgeist (if you’ll let me use a fancy word) of this campaign season than Romney’s defense of social security. Chris Cilliza puts him in the loser camp at the Washington Post. I’d put him in the winner camp not because he won the debate, but because he didn’t blow the debate. That’s all he had to do in the first debate. Also, he called President Obama a liar on border security, gave good education answers, and hit the nail on the head with states’ rights.

Only the Washington Press Corp was expecting him to dazzle in the first of five debates, particularly after a week of dealing with wildfires in Texas. But he must improve. He needs to give better defenses of his book, be prepared for another global warming ambush, and stay on offense. By the way, the next time a debate moderator asks him about global warming, I think the best reply is to ask the moderator why, with 14 plus million people out of work the media is so fixated on the weather. (hat tip to Professor Hunter Baker’s wife for that)

I have hesitated to call Perry the front runner just because the polls say so and even now would hesitate to call him the front runner given his debate performance except for one thing. The other candidates made the debate about Perry. He dominated the debate just by being at the debate. Whether I thought so or not, everyone else on that stage treated Perry like a front runner who must be taken on. That makes Perry the front runner and he did nothing to hurt his lead last night. He just did not secure that lead, thereby keeping the race open for Romney to make another move.

Mitt Romney

The debate winner was Mitt Romney on style. He has done this before. His experience and comfort with the format shows, particularly in contrast to Perry’s uncomfortable first performance. But that’s not good enough for Romney because the anti-Romney contingent in the GOP right now keeps going up and Rick Perry just showed he was not going to blow himself up in the first debate.

Romney’s play it safe strategy can go on a few more debates. Right now, the Romney camp is gambling Perry, like Bachmann, fades through a series of unforced errors. But if that doesn’t pan out over the next few debates, Romney is going to scramble and the odds go up dramatically that Perry becomes the nominee.

More troubling for Romney, in his play it safe strategy he himself made a terribly unforced error. In his effort to appear a “reasonable” conservative, he defended the status quo in social security, calling the program a success. No conservative can really believe a program that has made millions of people dependent on government for their retirement is a success. These little statements add up and work against Romney with the base. He might have won the battle last night in the debate on social security, but it could cost him the war if Perry plays it right in the two Florida debates where polls suggest even senior citizens in Florida are beginning to think the current system is untenable.

If Perry doesn’t implode, Romney is going to have to stop playing safe or lose. Romney continues to strike me as, to play off the title of the play on Sir Thomas More, as a man for another season. He was right for the (again the fancy word) zeitgeist of 2008, but not for a year when the GOP is as upset with the DC-GOP establishment pushing Romney as they are with the Democrats.

He’d be an awesome nominee, but not an exciting nominee. Right now the base wants Romney to excite them, not just placate them. He hasn’t done that yet, which is why there remains a love affair with Rick Perry that looks more and more like it could turn into something more if Perry can show he has what it takes.

Rick Santorum

John Harris from the Politico asked Rick Santorum about where the poor fit within the GOP. Rick Santorum began talking about himself in the third person and how he did more for the poor than anyone else in the GOP. Former Senator Sam Brownback might be surprised to learn that. Santorum’s candidacy, in this debate, became a joke. There is no rationale at all for him to remain in the race.

By the way, the proper answer the next time any reporter asks the GOP where the poor fit in the party is to say “In the Governor’s Mansion in Florda.” Lest people forget, Governor Rick Scott grew up on welfare in government housing projects.

Now, if I can just figure out how to get these guys to Atlanta so we can all ask them about something other than global warming and individual mandates.

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COMMENTS

  • bk

    I think it was a reader comment at the Corner. Next time that stupid “Would you take $10 in cuts for $1 in tax hikes?” question is asked, the best answer would be “I’d just take $9 in cuts and call it even”.

    To reiterate something you hinted at, the MSNBC-Politico plan was obviously to have them focus on each other and leave Obama out of it. On several occasions, Gingrich and sometimes others turned it back on Obama, but if it was up to the moderators, I don’t think Obama’s name would have ever been mentioned.

  • Carolyn

    Eric, sure wish you could get them for another gathering with a format similar to DeMint’s forum. That was so much better. I hope the republicans wise up and don’t allow this kind of “gotcha” debate format in future.

    We need Freedom Forum parts 2 and 3.

  • http://lazarusreport.blogtownhall.com/ Tom Lesser

    Pretty much agree with your analysis. I do think (unbelievably to me) that MSNBC?s format was much, much better than Fox?s. As Newt said, anyone of them rather than Obama (although Paul as president would scare me). Bachmann seems to only have one set of answers she keeps recycling. Romney seems like a Hollywood casting call for a presidential candidate. Perry was okay, but must be better than okay.

    If you can get them to Atlanta, I?d be there to throw out a question.

  • gekster

    That would be the whip.
    It would be great if you could pull it off.

  • Veronica

    where was foreign policy and can foreign policy be included in the Atlanta forum?

    10 years at war .. how much of a concern is this to Americans?

  • Locked and Loaded

    He was careful, pausing to make sure he said exactly what he wanted to say, but he wasn’t exactly halting or stumbling – or refusing. Did you get that? ;)

    I think many more outside the Washington Press Corps were expecting him to give a stellar performance. And I, for one, am tired of the use of the terms perform and performance in relation to campaigners. The connotation makes me nauseous.

  • Raven

    They aren’t Beginning to think the current situation is untenable. The already Know it is. They don’t know what to do about it and they are scared of losing benefits they have come to depend on, but they know their children and grandchildren will never have it, that their children and grandchildren are being robbed as we speak. And that makes them angry.
    Toss in the fact that there are bills to change the Military retirement system and even eliminate TriCare for Life, but nothing to change Congress’s retirement package, and anyone who defends the status quo is toast. The demand and expect big changes in the entitlements, even if it’s to their own detriment.

    I see this dynamic every day. I am an insurance salesman whose company focuses on seniors and Medicare Supplements.

  • jgs23

    Aside from stammering through the global warming response (where he made the right argument), he struggled a little less in the HPV response (I didn’t like the content of his response. A conservative governor shouldn’t even try to push that mandatory vaccination program through the legislature.)

    Generally, I thought he was composed. Aside from those cases where he needs to tighten up the message, I think he’s going to have to show more depth in the upcoming debates. If Romney continues to appear more comfortable with the issues as the field narrows and topics become more specific, I think he overtakes Perry. I don’t think either of them land a knock out punch in any of the debates and I think the label of “front runner” is still pretty meaningless.

    Nice introduction of Rick Perry overall and he’s going to have to continue to present himself well in these debates going forward.

  • kimberlyhaney

    and would even volunteer to help.

  • kimberlyhaney

    I think he was just getting his “debate footing”. He was also absolutely correct about being the “pinata a the party”. The attack focus was on him, with the intent by the MSNBC moderators to turn the other debaters on him (and away from Obama) and when that strategy fell flat, the moderators went after him with pitchforks.

    I thought he performed admirably, considering the disaster he was dealing with all weekend that are still going on today. Who else up there on that stage has the pressures of a sitting Governor, let alone the 2nd largest state in the union? Not a single one of them besides Rick Perry.

  • oldbird77

    with his inability to really answer with some specificity on the Climate Change question from the Politico guy. I was yelling better answers at the screen. If you are going to stake out a position that you know the media will hound you for, you ought to bone up on the particulars.

  • aeaeren

    Jon Huntsman grated on my nerves period. He sounded like a Politician, he gave answers like one, just something about how he was oddly different when answering the questions. He seemed more worried about not screwing up or not screwing up more. He has to know he is a not going to win and if he doesn’t then it just proves he is out of touch with the People and deserves to be humilitated at the polls. Huntsman is almost causing me do the Obama channel change when I see him. How he kept envoking Ronald Reagan just REALLY turned me off even more. Mitt did some of this also. Those 2 couldn’t tie President Reagan’s shoe laces!

    Perry stuck to his guns and didn’t back down one bit on what he believes. You knew where he stood on the issues. For example Global Warming isn’t SETTLED science. Only those Media/Democratic/RINO fools believe it is. We just had 2 more findings (NASA and CERN) that are blowing holes in their so called science. The only thing that I had issue with Perry on was the answer to Death Penalty. Not that he isn’t right he just seemed to come across a bit to close to a foaming at the mouth head chopper. I really was screaming at the questions more then the answers. How many freakin times do you have to say ranked 50th ect. Brian Williams HACK! If he would do ANY type of research and understand when you got almost a million people legally moving into TX and Lord knows how many illegals the stats are not going to be in your favor. Yes TX unemployment is higher then a lot of other states, but then they didn’t have that many people moving into their States. I thik Perry gets they are coming after him and watching how he handles it is going to either be very helpful or send him to the dustbin of wanna bees.

    Ru Paul – great on Domestics but as usual clueless on foreign affairs. Pulling AC from the troops REALLY? REALLY? Paul might someday learn that certain people within and outside of the USA just flat HATE us. They are the “pick a reason to hate the USA Today” people. AC from the troops REALLY? Unbelievable!!

    Herman Cain – Don’t let Herman stray to far he has great ideas, same with Newt. But I don’t see either making it to far into the ballgame.

    Rick Santorum – Should run for PA Senate again! He is just not going to Wow anyone outside of PA.

    Bachmann – Drilling in Everglades pretty much sealed the deal for her. Next time she should make sure someone on her staff is clued into FL politics before saying something stupid like this! It is going to be VERY hard for her to overcome these types of screw ups and with Rick and Mitt sucking up the oxygen she is left with a small tank for herself. She was good and I like her but she shot herself in the foot with that statement and MSNBC made sure it got repeated.

    Mitt – ventured a tiny bit out of his safe box last night but only with his pinky toe. Had good answers but this isn’t 2008 and McLame is not running. He better step it up or Perry is going to eat him up.

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry’s position on Social Security is substantive. Even thinking that the illusory “Trust Fund” exists, it will run out in 25 years so if you are under 40, “no more money” and the government cannot only reduce benefits or dilute the dollar even further which impoverishes its own citizens and lowers our standard of living to maintain power.

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Santorum uses his social conservative values position, which is sincere, as a cover to his Big Spending. I am from Pennsylvania. I contributed a lot of money to Rick Santorum in 2006 even as he was fading.

    Rick Santorum received huge amounts of union support as a result of his support of Arlen Specter in 2004 against Pat Toomey.
    In 2004, he aggressively campaigned for then Republican Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.

    As part of GWBush Republican leadership,he promoted the Big Spending agenda that set the stage for Obama Expansion.

    Rick Santorum made good use of billions in Earmarks and defended them even out of office.

    Rick Santorum is Not the Guy.

  • http://www.democratsforsale.blogspot.com soonermom

    As everyone knows, Governor Perry has been involved with his responsibilities as Governor with the massive fire that hit Bastrop along with other fires since he returned to Austin on Sunday afternoon to survey the damage.

    Romney has been prepping for debates and running for President since January 2007 when he decided not to run for reelection as Governor of MA. That is over 4 1/2 years of constant running for President yet when watching the debate on my DVR this morning, I didn’t see him as a clear winner but someone who sticks their finger in the wind to see which way conservatives are headed today. We already know he flip flopped on global warming recently. He is way too establishment and supported by Karl Rove all these years for me. The job growth under Romney as Governor was close to zero but he was on the attack against Perry.

    I want a candidate who will go in and shake-up DC not be the status quo for the weak dollar that the Ivy League Presidents seem famous. I want a fighter not an establishment type from the Bush 41 camp which is who Romney is after endorsing Kay Baily against Rick Perry trying to take him out so he couldn’t run against the Bush 41 favorite son Romney.

    Not to mention Romney in 2006 as head of the RGA chose the consultant for the Independent Bush 41 candidate Rylander for his consultant. Imagine the head of the RGA with a consultant from an independent race trying to take out a sitting Governor. Didn’t like her son as press secretary either. :)

    Considering what Governor Perry has been through the last few days, I think he did an excellent job against others who have been through the debates especially Romney and Paul who debated in 2008 as well. Do I want a debater or a leader? I will take Perry who is a leader hands down of a man who calls himself unemployed and running for President for since 2006.

  • bobguzzardi

    Ronald Reagan won Pennsylvania twice ( three times if GHW Bush is counted when, deceptively, he ran as Reagan’s successor.)

    Rick Perry’s positions resonate in Pennsylvania to a greater degree than is first apparent even in southeast.

    School Choice resonates with a small but significant part of the African American voters whose kids are hostage to violent and educationally failing schools. Rick Perry is convincing on this issue. I think he will resonate with the Black parent who wants something better for his or her kid and is willing to work for it.

    “Don’t Go After My Dog” resonates as common sense. Rick Perry is The Guy who will protect us from enemies domestic and foreign.

    Secure the Border. Who, but a Liberal, will disagree? This is common sense.

    Social Security is government Ponzi Scheme as any young person knows. Rick Perry is the first to speak about this convincingly, without apology.

    Loser Pays is big step forward for law suit abuse reform and, again, appeals to common sense, that is, to the average Pennsylvania Voter. Pennsylvania just passed Fair Share Act which is first step.

    Marcellus Shale is the single largest job creator in Pennsylvania and has the potential to turn Pennsylvania around. Rick Perry and Texas lead the way.

    I am hearing no objections to Rick Perry. Unlike Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is too “silver spoon” and button downed and Ethanol subsidies, global warming, obamneycare, noncommital on social security. We don’t need Obama lite.

    Rick Perry is exciting. My colleague Bob Sklaroff and I were in Charleston and were impressed with his authenticity and both have read his book, “Fed Up” Rick Perry has read my mind.!!!!

    We look forward to seeing him in Penna. soon.

  • forlinianslip

    http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/who-won-the-debate-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert-2/

    I didn’t see the debate, but when I compare Dick Morris’ 5 minute analysis with Erick Erickson’s, I am so much more impressed with Morris, even though I suspect that I am closer politically to Erickson.

  • bobguzzardi

    dr. bob and I imagine Sarah Palin as Rick Perry’s Press Secretary. MSNBC heads explode every day.

    Seriously, the Indianola speech hit the theme Main Street v. Wall Street/Washington. Sarah Palin speaks for The Forgotten Taxpayer who earns, saves and invests and wants something and is willing to work for it. She speaks to the Tax Makers v. Tax Takers and understands that Big Business is not Free Market.

    Sarah Palin precedes Rick Perry and keeps him on track.

    Rick Perry is “The Guy” for Pennsylvania.

  • msjallen

    I watched the whole debate very carefully and found Rick Perry very good in his responses especially with the wild fires and drought hurting his State. It shows he can handle pressure.

  • jqcjones

    Cain did spectacular for the whole less than 7 minutes he was given to speak. Newt is superior to ALL OF THEM on the debate circuit. NO ONE can stand up to Newt.. period. ROMNEY is an ESTABLISHMENT RHINO who should kicked to the curb for his left-leaning social record! His business experience be darned with his socialized healthcare NON-SENSE!

    If the GOP loses the election, it’s because those powers that be who finally do choose their candidate will invariably keep dancing that same-ol’-same-ol’ tune and while their stuck in their establisment political abyss! Our country crumbles before their well-intentioned, idiotic belief that the system isn’t broken… By playing “Let’s all be nice to each other” the candidates are not able to focus why they’re the BETTER Candidate… This is imperative… regardless of who’s holding/hosting the darned debate. “I’m the best qualified, because!” Who laid out any plans other than Herman? Who kept spewing the same ol’ talking points as they have been from day one? Everyone else! BAH!

  • msjallen

    of the debators. Enjoyed it.

  • Whacker77

    I’m not sure what I expected from last night’s debate, but I came away from it with a blah feeling. As I watched the eight candidates on the stage, all I could wonder was, “Is this the best we can do?” It just seems the choices, as a whole, don’t in any way match the opportunities available in 2012.

    Right now, I’m supporting Rick Perry, but he’s got some work to do. I didn’t expect him to be a great debater last night, but he must learn to put some meet on the bone when it comes to social security. I agree with the ponzi scheme statement, but he’s got to explain it what he means to those not totally immersed in the campaign.

    As for Mitt Romney, I’m just indifferent on him. His 59 point plan to save the economy proved to me he’s nothing more than a technocrat. His tax plan was a farce and lacked boldness. We don’t need that nor do we need a bunch of GWB recycled economists like Greg Mankiw or Glenn Hubbard.

    I hope Perry is able to kick it up several notches over the next four debates, He shouldn’t fear them because he’s got the inside track for the nomination unless he does something crazy. He needs the debates to toughen him up and improve his ability to speak off the cuff.

    It disgusts me Romney’s whole strategy is not to win people over but rather be the last man standing. I want to vote for someone, not feel as though I have no choice but to vote for someone.

  • msjallen

    my thoughts as well. Perry can work under pressure and it sure takes that as our president.

  • dmacleo

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/07/herman_cain_takes_on_entire_msnbc_roundtable_after_debate.html

    not sure if anyone has seen this.

  • onemovoter

    And disagreed with him on several points. Morris is basically like the others that have been IN the government circles. What I call a “Technocrat” who constantly looks at the “numbers” and recommends what the politicians should do.

    This is where Morris falls flat when it comes to people who are able to lead instead of follow. Palin has that knack to coin a phrase for an issue, like “Death Panels” which put the democrats on defense. Perry is doing the same with Ponzi scheme with SS. When someone is able to lead the discussion with their original terminology, they are winning the issue, not making it a liability. Reagan did the same thing with big government being the problem.

    Morris will be wrong when new polls come out over the weekend that include those that watched the debate. I see a few points bump up for Perry and Newt.

  • Lesstressrx

    I disagree that Rick Perry stumbled his way through the debate.
    His answer to the climate change wasn’t as strong as many of his other answers. Let’s keep in mind the Democrats are going to use social issues as their main topics so we will get off the real issue & that is economics & jobs. We must stay focused on how to get rid of Obama. If we get caught up in climate, abortion, immigration along with many other social issues, we will loose. I don’t think any of us want that. I am not dismissing the importance of the social things, but I am saying we can?t be fragmented. Heal the economy & get rid of Barrack Obama. That will take lots of time and work. This won?t be easy. Any candidate on that stage would be better than Obama and his Regime. Lets not forget that. Rick Perry isn’t always politically correct. That?s refreshing. He was strong and sounded presidential. He sounded like he was a leader unlike what we have now.

  • keysconservative

    His ‘no pledges’ remarks were ridiculous. “Vote for me. I make no promises.”

  • Lesstressrx

    I agree. Wasn’t sure how he thought this remark helped him.
    Made little sense.

  • Jim Tomasik

  • scullymj

    This is our Republican Primary Debate, not the general election debate. Why are our candidates subjecting themselves to the insipid questioning of Brian Williams and his ilk? Regardless of the network carrying our debate, we should insist upon only conservative moderators. Why do we let the “enemy” frame how our candidates are presented to the public? They’ll have plenty of opportunity to do that in the general election campaign. With their snide attitudes and questions. they are “picking” our nominee. Why do we put up with it? Enough of trying to appear conciliatory, this is for the big one, this is our last best chance, this is for nothing less than the restoration of Liberty in what used to be a great country.

  • msjallen

    I appreciate your assessment. I believe Perry can beat 0 because he relates to Americans. He is not a RINO and with Texas having the saying, “Don’t Mess with Texas” I believe Perry will carry over to “Don’t Mess with America”!!!!

  • patriciakelley

    Perry was absolutely dead right when comparing the global warming scientific research, to the research on the part of Galileo. We do not have solid concret evidence that man is the cause of global warming. It is being desputed internationally at this very moment.
    Galileo’.s scientific discoveries where challenged by the Catholic Church. The papacy habitually renounced his findings. He was placed under house arrest where he died. It took centurres to admit that the guy was right.
    October 1992, Pope John Paul II “expressed regret” for how the Galileo affair was handled, and issued a declaration acknowledging the errors committed by the Catholic Church tribunal that judged the scientific positions of Galileo Galilei.
    Imagine, all of the centuries that have passed before a recalcitrant Church admitted that his theories were right. Don’t you think that we could give science a chance to do a little more research before we embrace ? theory that may be as bogus as the condimnation of Galileo’s theories by the Catholic Church. Inconvenient truths are incovenient when they are wrong.

  • msjallen

    We need to stand tall and NOT let the left get the better of us. I don’t believe they did at the debate.

  • dmacleo

    when Al Durp-ton immediately went to the race issue and tried to make Cain part of the race baiting.

  • dmacleo

    Huntsman is the best democrat candidate the republican party has put forward in years.

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    Perry was the man to beat in this debate and no one beat him.. That makes him the winner as far as I can see. What he lacked in style points (Romney’s strong suit) he made up for in raw courage. To me, he has the stones to stand in a fight. Bachman is right…Obamacare repeal is not going to magically appear on the Presidents desk. Its going to take arm twisting and stamina. To borrow a quote…Perry’s ‘muscularity’ in the face of withering assaults is going to be needed.

  • APA Guy

    I think a heaping helping of substance will hit the spot this time around.

  • APA Guy

    I think a heaping helping of substance will hit the spot this time around.

  • americanmale

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    I disagree on Bachmann. I think she played last night totally right. Lets not forget that this was a liberally moderated debate. The only thing they (MSNBC) wanted to do last night was to de-thrown Perry a bit….and I believe they did courtesy of Mitt Romney.

    Representative Bachmann was content in trying to appeal to conservative women (mom of 5, foster parent, etc.) and when given the opportunity, reminded us that it is she who is currently in the trenches in Washington, not the others. (Excluding Paul)

    In addition, because her and Perry both attract the same type of voter, she was glad to let someone else (Romney) do the dirty work against Perry.

    Furthermore, she has the ultimate bullets. With regard to Perry, she can always give the “Sure, you’ve got jobs, but you’ve also got black gold spewing up from the ground, a republican house and senate…it’s the least you can do spiel).

    With regards to Romney and Huntsman…all she needs to do is to get both of them “affirm” their belief in evolutionary science…and then follow up with the ultimate knockout question…So..was Joseph Smith a decendant of Man or Ape? This may seem crass. However, it will play well in the South. Politics is tough.

    I wouldn’t count her out. She’s got bullets.

  • cbartlett

    I’m a lifelong Texan and trying to keep an open, unbiased, mind about Perry’s performance. It most definitely seemed like he was getting picked on and hammered more than the others last night – by both the moderators and the other participants. I have seen him give much better and much stronger answers to climate change, the vaccination fiasco and social security. He is a very strong State’s Right advocate and it affects the way he thinks about issues. He needs to mention the very large number of illegals we have in this state with almost every answer – it explains a lot of the “bad” looking statistics like low wage jobs, education performance and healthcare numbers. We Texans know how he feels but he’s got to do a better job of getting his positions out to the rest of the country. He was (and IS) under a lot of pressure with the wildfires here – they are still not completely under control yet. I imagine this affected his “performance” (I don’t like that word either!) last night. Hope he can get better. Please see this link http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives
    to find out better answers that Perry has had for these controversial issues. This piece has excellent, extensive, mostly unbiased, research about Perry’s background. I’ve voted here more than 30 years and I even learned a lot from this. If you are a Perry supporter – help get the word out. The liberal media (and I’m afraid some elite Republicans) are out to get him and will spare no expense to try to destroy him. Perry is not another Reagan but it may be the closest we can get at this point……

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    talk. He is dead wrong about Perry and the Ponzi Scheme analysis. Just because the Gov’t has the power to Tax, does not mean that SS is not a Ponzi Scheme. All Perry said was that if SS continues ‘status quo’ then it won’t exist when the 25′s get to 65 and that is the absolute truth. Everyone knows it except for the fearful Republicans. We cannot have a real debate about entitlements until we can be “allowed” to have an opinion of them. and express them fearlessly. I am so tired of chicken sh*t political cowardice from the establishment GOP. And BTW…I like Dick…he’s just dead wrong on this.

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    She needs to start using them and fast…

  • http://www.nucre8ion.org nucre8ion

    to idiots when you only have 30 seconds to do it. Everyone intelligent knew what he was saying…and I mean everyone. He has plenty of time to articulate the message.

  • izoneguy

    After 3 years of a Metrosexual as President – the American pubic is ready for real change.

    Gergen and Friedman on Perry

    RUSH: David “Rodham” Gergen last night on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 211. After the debate, Anderson Cooper said, “What do you think of Rick Perry and this debate, Mr. Gergen?”

    GERGEN: Intellectually Mitt Romney got the better of him. He was more articulate on many occasions, but Governor Perry brings a muscularity to the debate that I think will appeal to an awful lot of voters. There’s sort of a decisive quality about him that I don’t think you see so much and he doesn’t back down easily. I can certainly understand why he appeals to a lot of voters and why it’s gonna — it’s gonna be a very, very interesting race. I thought he was calm and confident for a candidate who hasn’t debated in five years.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    The Government lied to you and now we are broke.

  • scottb

    when all participants don’t get equal time on each subject. that didn’t happen. Also why is MSNBC, a LIBERAL NETWORK holding the conservative debate. I don’t trust Brian Williams and the others as far as I could throw them.
    I’ll take Bachmann over the whole bunch. But the liberal media only saw fit press Mitt Romney and Perry. as far as I’m concerned it was an unfair debate any way you look at it.

  • Scope

    today showing all of the negative headlines against Perry today in all of the liberal rags. Oh yeh, the libs heads are exploding. When he wins I hope they make good on their promise to move out of the country as they did when Bush was elected. One of them did declare war on his candidacy.

  • AceInTX

    He’s the one who made the unforced error last night despite all the geniouses predictions that Perry would be making them…

    Perry made it plain for all to see that He’s the big dog on the porch and Romney flinched.

    I wasn’t terribly excited over some of Perry’s answers because they weren’t slick and polished answers and because of the other criticisms I’ve heard….but he rattled Romney’s cage last night and Romney left a puddle on the stage….

  • minncon

    Your analysis of the debate is EXACTLY what I’ve been thinking but haven’t had the time or reason to codify in writing. Bravo!

    I’d like to see Bachman hang on long enough to be offered the VP slot. But I wonder if the nominee will have the gonads to do it, since she’s been fraudulently painted as the right-wing wacko candidate.

  • sbm1

    not $9

    If you spent $10 less, and took in $1 more, you would have $11 more…if you didn’t take in that $1, you would have to save $11.

    just being pedantic

  • bob570

    If you couldn’t see it was the Rino getting the softballs, Perry getting all hard balls, you must not have been watching. So were did you hear about it from, MSNBC, or the Washington Post.

  • Scope

    in the debate on Wednesday is amazing. It goes to both ends of the spectrum. Some call it lackluster, while others are warning that he was too provocative, and to combatative.

    The thing that I find most interesting is in how many people, early in the campaign season were willing to do all they could to draft Christie, mostly because of his combabative, provacative, and at times bullyish language against the teachers unions. Yet when Perry stands up and fights back, he is being denigraded for it, and, probably from some of those same people who loved Christie for the same reason.

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    5

  • Scope

    I read a comment here on the site somewhere where the guy is calling for Perry to tone down the rhetoric, and to be more politically correct, and then goes on to say that his first choice for president would be Christie if he agreed to get in the race. I’m having a problem with trying to square that circle.

  • Locked and Loaded

    or you need to read (and write) more carefully.

  • eburkedisciple

    And don’t forget to say Thank You!

  • eburkedisciple

    I was generally impressed with all but Huntsman. Our elder statesman had some polish (I wish he could jettison some of his baggage) but I think he is best left to the role of teacher – perhaps the RNC chair. Santorum does not deserve your jab as you look at his overall performance. Why does no one identify the Mormon in the room. I have seen hundreds of web-mercials paid for by the Mormon Church aimed at softening up people’s views of Mormons. The nature of the ties the church has on its ‘loyal’ members is scary and should concern everyone. Mitt is way too anxious to get this job. He couldn’t be worse than Obama but that would qualify a rock. Scratch Romney and Huntsman and we have some reasonable choices.

  • eburkedisciple

    It was refreshing to see Perry stand by the truth. Mitt is all over him as being unelectable for telling the truth. Until we tell the truth we will never fix it.

  • carolynr

    Well, well, Erick…you have proclaimed Mitt the Winner. Actually, if it were on style and confidence…it would have been Huntsman…although I could NEVER vote for him.

    First Mitt: Mitt Romney reminds me of a person with Bi-Polor disorder operating mostly out of the “manic” phase of the disorder. The man makes me nervous to listen to him. It’s like he is trying to hard to convince people of his ideas and he is really not so sure they will fix anything…I guess the manic persuasion doesn’t do it for me and I don’t think it will do it for the country.

    Perry…This is really important. While everyone else was preening and getting coached on their debate format, Perry was trying to handle the vast fires out in Texas where over 1,000 families have lost their homes. I am sure that right up until the debate, he was the CEO of Texas…not memorizing lines and facts. So, because of that…I give Perry an A+. But…I will substantiate that further….I learn that the western fleet of airplanes that fight fires have been grounded, given no reason other than a UNION DISPUTE AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION cancelled their contract. It’s bad enough to have this devastation …but to have the president NOT HELP PEOPLE…That had to Pi** Off Any Governor or Any State.
    So…Erick…all things considered..I think Perry came off great.

    I liked his remark about a Ponzi Scheme because it is one. I liked his remark about “human” involvement in climate change not being settled science. I liked his remark about Karl Rove…AND I THINK ROVE SHOULD SHUT UP. I liked the fact that he did not back down. He could have done more with his new “Healthy Texas” healthcare plan and also his recently passed tort reform and how that has affected Texas and the influx of doctors into the state. I also liked how he characterized America’s adverturism rather than nation building, thus showing that he was not a person to enter into war on a whim.

    MY CHOICE FOR PREZ…RICK PERRY/MARCO RUBIO
    RUDY GIULIANI FOR AG. There should be a place in the administration for Herman Cain…he’s too good a guy to lose.

  • aleks

    They are all so called Rinos, except Ron Paul who is right, but to far from the people of now days. That leaves Michele Bachmann not bad she seems to be tough no wimb a mother and her homeland is the USA.

  • gekster

    Exactly what did you mean.

  • bluechild57

    How can you be optimistic about a Dem turned Republican who loves illegal aliens? He can’t be too concerned about the lawbreakers sucking jobs and money from his state. He opposes Arizona’s immigration law and does whatever he can to help illegals. I guess he’s just another politician viewing illegals as potential voters. NO Perry for me!

  • izoneguy

    So who you voting for? Obama or Obama Lite?

  • Right Reason

    After the “Gardisil causes mental retardation” flap, I would erase the fraudulently.