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The Horserace for September 15, 2011

Rick Perry has locked in his front runner lead and in a novel twist of things, some Democrats are starting to panic. Why? Because the way Perry talks about immigration works to his advantage with hispanic immigrants and hispanic immigrants want someone other than Obama.

At the same time, Michele Bachmann seems to have hit the self-destruct button on her campaign. Even Ed Rollins is less than “all in” for her it seems.

Mitt Romney has a problem and it is bigger than Rick Perry’s problem — he’s boxing himself in on entitlement reform in a way that hurts him both with tea party activists and non-tea party activists.

Then there’s Cain, Gingrich, Huntsman, Paul, and Santorum. They continue to struggle. A brouhaha has hit the Herman Cain campaign. Huntsman has no sense of humor. Santorum continues to be this year’s Admiral Stockdale, and Gingrich’s posturing at Monday’s debate suggests a man reconciled to his fate.

We’ll get into it all in today’s horserace.

Michele Bachmann

Chris Matthews asked Ed Rollins the other night about supporting Michele Bachmann. On the surface he seemed to give the right answers. But it struck a lot of people as Ed sticking to a line and refusing to go further with support. Matthews needled him about it. It seemed clear Ed Rollins left the Bachmann campaign because of candidate relations.

Then there is Bachmann herself. She scored a clean, clear shot on Rick Perry in Monday’s debate. Had she stopped there she’d have been the comeback queen of campaign 2012. Instead, she started telling the story about the mother she met who claims her daughter developed “mental retardation” after getting the HPV vaccine. There’s just a problem. It is scientifically impossible to develop retardation from the HPV vaccine. That’s not to say mental retardation cannot happen from some vaccines. It can. It just cannot from HPV.

But on she went with her attacks. The net result? On Monday night she raised the Merck campaign contribution issue about Rick Perry. By Tuesday, the media would have been in full pursuit of the crony capitalism story on Perry and his relationship to people who worked for Merck. Instead? Everyone focused on Bachmann’s use of that unsubstantiated story and how it showed poor judgment on her part.

She’s fallen below Newt Gingrich in some polls. That latest might have been fatal.

Herman Cain

Herman Cain’s Iowa staff seems intent on finishing off his campaign. In an unemployment hearing, Cain’s straw poll coordinator Kevin Hall, alleges a campaign cover up over a Cain staffer. The allegation is that the staffer is gay, was ousted from a gay pride group in Wisconsin after financial irregularities, and knowing all this the Cain campaign kept him on, lying about his role.

The story seems to be a non-starter to me. There are no allegations that the staffer engaged in financial irregularities on the Cain campaign. However, the story is salacious enough and the former Iowa staffers are bitter enough about what they feel was a lack of time by Cain in the state that this story might have legs. Also, the issue came up in an unemployment hearing. The guy was under oath. And the Cain campaign lawyer did not object. That’s pretty standard for stuff like this, but it gives a stronger air of authenticity to it and there being a problem.

Nonetheless, this story isn’t what has done in the Cain campaign. The campaign has not gotten traction. Complain all you want about a lack of media attention. But with this story now out there, a lack of media attention is a good thing.

Newt Gingrich

I saw it with my own eyes on Monday night live at the CNN-Tea Party debate. Newt Gingrich did not engage.

First, I just thought it was impressive that Wolf Blizter became the only debate moderator this cycle to not get attacked by Newt. Then I saw something happening that you couldn’t really see if you weren’t in the debate hall. While the candidates were debating, you’d frequently see some of the other candidates trying to get a word in — trying to engage.

Newt did not. He did not engage except when questioned himself. And so it seems he did not get asked a lot of questions, but in fact the direct questions posed by Blitzer were balanced out. Gingrich just didn’t try to get extra time like the other candidates. At least, not until the end when they were out of time and, I think, the issue was Afghanistan.

I wasn’t the only person there struck by this. He did great when he answered his questions, but he also seemed less engaged and off his game. At both this and the NBC Debate he seemed resigned to being the elder statesman herding the cats to the finish line — Moses who does not cross into the promised land, but gets everyone there. I think Newt is resigned to defeat, but wants to make sure the GOP wins.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman flamed out in the GOP debate. He was the most engaged he had been and gave the best answers he’s given, but his Kurt Cobain and “treason” remarks are all anyone remembers. He’s got staffers lamenting tea party activists on Facebook. His campaign seems aimless and accidental. He himself seems a bit out of it.

I feel better about him than I did. The last two debates he has seemed more on the team than off the team. But he is such a smart guy I cannot believe, like with Gingrich, that he looks at what is happening and sees an opportunity to win. There is no path to victory for the media’s old flame who increasingly has even flamed out with the media.

Ron Paul

The Ron Paul campaign continues to do exceedingly well in the polls. He has tapped into something the other candidates aren’t, and I’m not just talking about crazy. But he won’t be the nominee. Right now he seems only intent on destroying Rick Perry. Interestingly enough, some polls show his supporters are more likely to vote for Mitt Romney than Rick Perry. I find that surprising due to Romneycare, etc. But then polls also show he gets a lot of support from people who don’t vote.

He will not be the nominee.

Rick Perry

Rick Perry won the debate on Monday if only by default. But Rick Perry is not a good debater. While the crowd was with him, Perry was great. When the crowd turned on him on the HPV issue, Perry went down hill and did so fast. He is not a good debater.

He has three more debates. But I think Perry has locked in his lead with Mitt Romney’s help. The two big issues in Campaign 2012 are Obamacare and fiscal issues. Romney sticks with Romneycare and goes at Perry from the left with entitlement reform. Those two things help Rick Perry in a way Perry is not helping himself.

HPV can be overcome. Thanks to Bachmann’s overreach it is largely not an issue any longer. Immigration won’t play well with the tea party movement, but Perry can salve some of the disagreement with a better explanation of what Texas did and it also helps him with non-tea party Republicans who are now taking him seriously.

Suddenly this race is his to lose. And barring any major stumbles from this point forward, Perry is the nominee.

Mitt Romney

The most important, but ignored, polling number in CNN’s poll this week is the one that explains the entire race. “Which candidate is most likely to fight for what they believe?” Rick Perry scored 29%. Mitt Romney scored 11%.

The prior flip-flops in Romney’s record are weighing him down as an opportunist. Voters want a fighter. They also want to know what they are getting. Voters may not agree with Perry, but they think they know what they are getting with him and not with Romney. Voters don’t want to wind up with another conservative who turns out to be a “big government” conservative.

That poll number hurts Romney. Likewise, the air of inevitability hurts Romney. Until Perry got in the race, Romney was the consistent winner of the question “regardless of whether you support the candidate or not, which candidate do you think will win?” Consistently Romney won. And that number is a huge psychological plus because undecided voters want to support the winner. So if they think he’ll win, the undecideds will move to that person toward the end.

That person is no longer Mitt Romney. Compound that with people’s lack of faith in Romney really telling them what he believes in and you have a tough, though not insurmountable, hill for Romney to climb over.

I’ve said for a long time that as the field consolidated, Romney would poll worse and worse. It is happening.

Rick Santorum

Admiral Stockdale began his famous 1992 debate against Dan Quayle and Al Gore with “Who am I? Why am I here?” Everyone laughed.

Rick Santorum is Admiral Stockdale. He will not be the nominee.

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  • michigan

    Perry?s a bit wobbly now and then. Mitt?s being Mitt. And now that Bachman has faded and doesn?t look like the contender she did a month ago, a window opens for a strong breeze from the north?. we?ll see.

  • silentcal2012

    Brand new poll shows Obama beating Perry in Virginia, but Romney beating Obama in Virginia. I think that may have something to do with Perry’s stance on SS and immigration.

    Obama is swooning, the GOP is ascendent, yet a southern candidate still trails Obama in Virginia. You know what that portends for swing states like PA, NH and CO. General election DOOM.

  • streiff

    Romney 44 Obama 42
    Obama 44 Perry 42

  • jkines

    If you want to be absolutely certain that Barack Obama gets reelected, there is no better way than to nominate Sarah Palin.

  • jkines

    The polling difference between Perry and Romney vs Obama is negligible at this point, also Perry has closed the gap considerably since gaining more voter ID. Romney is the “safe” pick the same way McCain was, and has no more chance of getting elected. I’m not even certain Romney knows what Romney stands for, other than a desire to get elected President. We’ve already suffered 4 years of such vacuity. . .

  • mboyle1988

    It’s a 4 point difference. Obama is at 44% against Perry. You can’t assume the lead is because of SS etc. It very well may be that VA voters don’t know very much about Perry. Dukakis was leading HW Bush by 10+ points with two months until election day. He lost in a landslide. W was crushing Kerry at this time in 04. It ended up being rather close. Gore was leading at this point in 00. He lost. Giuliani was leading Clinton and Obama at this point in 08. McCain was beating Obama with two months until the electoin. he lost handily.

    If there’s a 20 point spread between candidates (Romney vs. Palin, for example), then that spread matters. A 2-4 point spread isn’t significant.

  • Scope

    In the first released poll of VA for GOP pres., Perry is leading Romney by a wide margin. Obama is falling like a rock in VA, and that includes in NoVa which is heavily liberal. And yes, please see comment by streiff to correct you on your misinformation as to who is doing better against Obama.

  • silentcal2012

    Perry leads Romney by 5 in a southern state, something he needs badly. 5 when he is peaking is not good.

  • silentcal2012

    If a 4 point swing in the VA race is negligible and within the MOE.

    Then the new Bloomberg Poll showing Perry leading Romney by 4 points is also negligible and within the MOE.

    Actually the new Bloomber Poll says a lot more about momentum. What were all those pre-debate polls saying about Perry’s lead.

    I think they were double digits.

    From double digits to MOE, as you note, pretty precipitous decline.

  • wennejunk

    Unless Sarah Palin comes on board in full campaign mode with all the energy and clarity she can bring and drops all the rest of the things that have driven most of the center-right voters away.

    She would have to suddenly go out of character, but it could conceivably be done.

  • mboyle1988

    That’s news to me. Virginia is also not very southern. True southern states have no white liberals (SC, GA, TN, AL, MS, TX, AR, TX etc). North Carolina and Virginia are only somewhat more southern than Maryland and Delaware.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Maybe hysterical would be a better name for you.

  • Scope

    that has been done is the one in Florida, done after the Mon. night debate.

    Perry-29
    Romney-20
    Gingrich-9
    Bachmann-8
    Cain-6
    Paul-5
    Santorum-2
    Huntsman-1

    So even after the time Romney has been spending there recently, and despite the flyer his campaign sent out saying that Perry wants to “kill” SS, he still comes in behind the SS killer. Ha.

    I’ve begun to wonder if they just take the leftover fractions from the other candidates, make a whole percent out of it, and throw them over to Huntsman. LOL

  • silentcal2012

    Unknowns always start out with star power. How many countless people are learning about Perry’s warts. So many are just learning about him immigration positions and his poor debate skills.

    In NH a new video of him criticizing its first in the nation primary is circulating. Romney’s warts are well known. Perry will never be as popular as he was when he announced.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    I don’t travel in political circles although I love following current events and blogging about them. www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com I am so frustrated with the portrayal of this year’s debates I’ve practically given up hope the Republican party can be saved. Not because we don’t have good candidates, but because we believe the folly only the moderates can win.

    You are apparently a lot closer to things than I am. If your viewpoints are correct, there is little hope left. I fear the liberal media is once again choosing our candidate for us. Heads they win, tails we lose. Why are we viewing these debates through the eyes of what the liberal media is going to bash candidates for? President Obama won and look at his associations and lack of experience.

    I’m tired of hearing our candidates positions must appeal to independents. How the heck did Ronald Reagan ever win 49 states then? He won by being in a very similar situation to where we are right now. The country is ripe for Tea Party economic principles. There is no greater contrast then right now. All of us out here in middle America know it. It is the elephant in the room.

    And yet, here we sit with Rick Perry and Mitt Romney as the candidates. You’ve put the nail in the coffin through all the true conservatives in the race and we are left with another GB/GWB. So what if Michele Bachmann went too far with her comment. Newt’s no longer engaged because Republican operatives have told him he has no chance. The operatives heard it on CNN. Rick Santorum is a sound choice. Herman Cain has no legislative experience but how has legislative genius worked out for us lately?

    I always wanted the Republican party to be saved, but I no longer believe it can be. Our next Republican president may talk a good game for a while, but when push comes to shove every path they choose will be through the prism of how precious independents (suppossedly the truly fair minded people) will vote on every issue. What a shame.

  • RichmondG30

    The explosive growth of the Federal government has added tens of thousands of Liberal Northern Virginia Bureaucrats who, for self-preservation reasons, are not too keen on spending cuts.

    The People’s Republic of Arlington (Virginia) is right up there with SF and Cambridge, Mass in terms of politics.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And Perry will never have an issue as openly toxic as RomneyCare, especially given the damage it’s doing to the Massachusetts economy. Couple that with the fact that Mitt is still defending it and the fact that he’s never met an issue that he hasn’t taken opposing positions on and you’ve got more than enough reasons to demand just about anybody but Mitt.

    Unless you’re being paid or you’re stupid. Or a Troll.

  • mikeymike143

    but once the real voting starts ron paul will end up finishing with single digit support. dont forget he also polled well in 2008 but only ended up with 5% of the vote. thats means 19 out of 20 republican primary voters rejected this nutjob.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You won’t be missed and your absence will raise the average IQ of the site.

  • gekster

    Just what are you going to gain.
    Pay attention to other news outlets besides the LSM.
    There are plenty of news scources besides print an tv.

  • Locked and Loaded

    but when he says he wants Bachmann to win the GOP nomination, then plays word games with Tingles to avoid saying he wants her to be President, I’ve heard from him all I need to hear.

    On the subject of Newt’s engagement, I’m sure you are right about his attitude of resignation, but it makes me hearken back to the good ol’ days of “debate” when respect and constraint were required. Somebody at Newt’s age and stage can get pretty tired of all the incessant butting in and talking over one another. It is so unproductive and has a great deal to do with the degradation of our national dialogue.

    Which brings up the point that the non-verbal can be quite effective. I was impressed when Perry was attacked, and rather than blurting out, he instinctively made a face that, to me, conveyed everything he needed to say, as he silently raised his hand to alert Blitzer he needed to respond. Disbelief and mild shock, but with respect, constraint, and authority – all demonstrated without a word.

  • RichmondG30

    The big lumpy one in the middle of his forehead is called:
    R-O-M-N-E-Y-C-A-R-E

    If we are going to select our nominee to go up against the biggest threat to our liberty in the last 40 years (OBAMACARE) and we pick Mitt Romney, then I am afraid we are not serious about slaying the Federal beast.

    (Does using the word “slaying” qualify me for AttackWatch?)

  • Tbone

    voted for Ross Perot.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    joining the Republican Party? That is, becoming a voting member of it? See the links below. Becoming a precinct committeeman in Ohio is fairly easy. I have a link at my blog for “how it works” in Ohio — you only have to get 5 signatures to get on the ballot and your local Republican Party committee should help you with that.

    I hope you will seek out your local committee. On average, across the country, over half of the precinct-level Party officer slots are vacant. The reason the Republican Party is not “conservative enough” is because not enough conservatives are in these precinct-level officer positions.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • Tbone

    That would be all the folks standing at those lecterns not named Romney or Perry.

    Bachmann proved she would make a pretty good Congresswoman.

    Paul would be a good spokesman for over the counter hallucinogenics.

    Santorum needs to find a department store window to stand in.

    Cain may as well go back to running pizza joints.

    And Huntsman needs a good butt kicking.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    Shows some real class.

  • gawken

    just as the fight with McCain helped get Bush ready for Gore.

  • gawken

    just as the fight with McCain helped get Bush ready for Gore.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    I know what they say and I don’t agree. My point is what they say is still defining our own candidates and many in our party allow it to. For that I am considered stupid by some.

    I’m not whining, I’m stating my opinion. I have been getting involved. Don’t assume just because I express dissatisfaction at what I’m seeing that I’m some kind of bozo folding up his tent and going home.

    If the Republican party power brokers continue to define our chances based on how moderates view us, we will never make headway.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    I did not vote for Ross Perot. I do not want a third party. I want conservative principles to flourish. However, when media elites define our candidates (which is what is happening again this year)based on fear of what they will say about us, we will never gain traction. That is my only point. If that makes me dumb to ponder such things, then I embrace the label.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    Thanks ColdWarrior.

    I recently took in some YouTube footage on the same precinct committeemen you suggested. Excellent idea to be involved at the grass roots level instead of lashing out at people.

  • Darin_H

    Huntsman’s jokes remind me of the scene in Wedding Crashers where Rachel McAdams is giving the toast and trying to be funny but bombing massively – except Huntsman doesn’t redeem himself by following Owen Wilson’s advice.

  • APA Guy

    Third party for either Dems or Republicans means the opposition wins…you know it…I know it…and yellowdog knows it.

  • satchman3

    Gingrich should go hold hands with the Mudders and Fodders and sing kum baya

    He really wants to be a peacemaker rather than compete for the nomination. If he doesn’t want to compete he should quit.

  • Darin_H

    Fav/Unfav are more useful. Additionally, the more important factor is that Obama is polling in the low to mid 40s there, that’s a big sign the incumbent is in trouble.

    *not actually meaningless, but darn close

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    in the context of John Boehner’s district that you might find informative.

    Go here: http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/03/20/want-to-change-john-boehner-its-up-to-the-conservatives-in-his-district/cold-warrior

    I hope you will seek out your local Republican Party committee and attend their meetings and consider becoming a voting member of the Party. We need more conservatives “in” the Party as PCs. PCs, and only PCs, elect the “leaders” of the Party.

    We conservatives could change the Republican Party if we’d just all get inside it. One is not really “in” the Party unless one has the right to vote for the Party leadership.

    Thank you.

    CW

  • snowshooze

    And I believe Carville is absolutely correct.
    He suggests a mass firing, indictments and housecleaning.
    The only foreseeable strategy for Obama to regain any credibility whatever is to blame the team and hang them out to dry, then install a new one and come up with some fresh material. Anything.
    Here is the Politico link:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63573.html

  • clintonformccain

    [quote]Because the way Perry talks about immigration works to his advantage with hispanic immigrants and hispanic immigrants want someone other than Obama.[/quote]

    Yep. If the immigration issue does’t derail his nomination effort, it works to his favor in a general election. Independents and Democrats disgusted with Obama will be inclined to vote for an alternative. But, the Republican nominee needs to give them something to hang their hat on. Some issue or position that lets them convince themselves that this Republican is not quite as “bat-*&^% crazy as all those other Republicans”. The nominee will have to create the potential for these Democrat-leaning voters to hold their nose and vote the other way.

    Bill Clinton used Sistah Souljah to create at least the plausible perception that he wasn’t as crazy as all those other Democrats. Immigration could be an equally effective issue for Perry to go along with his experience and jobs-creating stories. Not to mention that it could put some Latino/a votes in play.

  • evilleramsfan

    The Bloomberg poll covers the same dates as do the other more recent polls, just different results. Bloomberg was an outlier at 4% just as Politico is an outlier at 19%. I don’t put much faith in the vs. Obama polling at this point because many still have a preferred candidate in it. You likely have Perry supporters saying they would vote for Obama over Romney and vice-versa whereas it is much more likely that all (except maybe Paul supporters) will come together and vote for the one left standing.

  • APA Guy

    Labor Secretary…Chief Economic Advisor…Fed Chairman…I could see him in any of those positions.

  • APA Guy

    Labor Secretary…Chief Economic Advisor…Fed Chairman…I could see him in any of those positions.

  • barleycorn

    “North Carolina and Virginia are only somewhat more southern than Maryland and Delaware.”

    Sorry but this Virginian is going to take considerable issue with that statement. Virginia and North Carolina are WAY more “southern” than Maryland or Delaware.

    Both states have become more purple over the past few cycles but they are well to the right of Delaware and Maryland politically, and culturally Va and NC are far more conservative than the other two.

  • clintonformccain

    It is way too early to be putting any stock in those hypothetical matchups. Think about it. The average American adult has barely even heard of Rick Perry at this early stage. Probably half of them have heart of Barack Obama.

  • Scope

    I agree with you, and with most of the other posts above in answer to his third party support. He blames the MSM for picking our candidates, when most people already know that not many believe what they say, and know they have an agenda. And, imagine that, this guy is being invited and encouraged to get inside the party. Sure every vote counts, but, you first have to be willing to support the nominee, whoever it is, in order to have a seat at the table.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …due to her full-throated attack on Perry regarding Gardisil [per her interview with Greta].

    She supported Michele, who postured herself as the anti-scientist [for multiple reasons well-established on the blogosphere].

    So, let’s just note how Rick has no problem speaking “truth to power.”

    I love it when he arches his back, stands on his toes, and truth-tells.

  • acat

    “the average voting american” or “the average voter”.

    The average american doesn’t vote and doesn’t know who their Senators and Reps are, y’see.

    Mew

  • gekster

    When you talk to folks, tell them the truth and what you know.
    It is that easy.

  • miconservative

    Checkmate for Governor Perry. That is powerful stuff. It wasn’t about getting a $5k check from Merck. It was about protecting and saving lives from a horrible death. Michele Bachmann should be ashamed of herself.

  • notpropagandized

    You’re so correct. Mitt really does not know what he stands for and does not care so long as he can manipulate getting elected. This is the game that has victimized taxpayers for so long. As a matter of fact, the emergence of the TeaParty has taken the “politicos” by surprise and changed the rules of the game.

    Historically, the electorate is really mostly at fault for not paying attention and holding its public servants accountable. The TeaParty is a simple manifestation of people stirred from their political slumber by Obama’s blunt, fundamental transformation of the United States of America. The change in itself is evidence of a fickle electorate that can’t decide what it wants.

    To be sure, MittRomney is an impressive and quality person, but too influenced by voter fickleness. But he should not be rewarded for his chameleon strategy. We should exhort every person we know to be properly informed and avoid gullibility and vulnerability to slick politicians (eg, Obama’s contrived Truman strategy).

    Alas, our culture has cast off all its dependable standards of reference and adopted confusion and indecisiveness. No reason to perpetuate it by electing such capriciousness to the US presidency.

  • onemovoter

    He said that Bachmann got her second wind after that last debate, that she was great and energetic. My guess is that he didn’t see all of her next day interviews where she destroyed any chance of a come back.

    Luckily Erick Erickson has us Redstaters to keep him up to date on all that’s happening while he was busy with CNN that night. Erick has pretty much nailed exactly the way I see it from here too.

    There was the news story posted on RS that showed the behind the scenes of the HPV story, which will drive the nail into Bachmann’s argument.

    My guess is that another story will come out where some girl who grew up thinking she was legal, graduated high school, parents having a home here paying taxes, and finding out she isn’t legal but wants to go to college to be a doctor or something noble. This would be another story like the one on HPV where it diffuses the issue for a majority. Perry’s way is to let his friends tell the story.

    Dick Morris seems to be letting his personal preferences get in the way of public perception. Erick has been consistent about the reality on the ground and that is refreshing.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …one could easily envision Perry benefitting from a consensus-development process, as the R’s unify.

    The spate of social issues that have hogged the media will recede when jobs/jobs/jobs hits center-stage.

  • Scope

    and because Texas has such a high population number of hispanics, Perry got 38% of the hispanic vote against a Democrat in his last race.

    If Tom Tancredo, and those wanting every illegal rounded up and driven back across the border don’t shout from the rooftops against the illegals, he could have a huge landslide victory in the general.

    Something most voters don’t seem to understand is the fact that whatever a president Perry may desire with respect to immigration reform, he can’t do anything without the support of Congress, who would be writing the legislation, and voting on it. Ask Bush if he got what his heart desired on immigration.

  • APA Guy

    She’s just waiting in the tall grass for any opening should Perry falter…which reeks of self-indulgence and narcissism.

    Problem is, if she runs, Obama wins…period. We would lose too many swing states with her at the top of the ticket that we need to put Obama away.

    Perry is a good, strong conservative candidate. Unless something comes out that he can’t recover from, he’s in the driver’s seat.

  • pttx333

    stands on his toes, and truth-tells” – because he is a true man. I’ve always thought of him as being somewhat like Gus, played by Robert Duval, in “Lonesome Dove.” That is probably the magnetism that many people feel when they see him. But, that is just me.

  • Christian

    Let’s not get too carried away here…

  • msjallen

    don’t waste your vote. Please don’t give your vote to 0 by voting 3rd party or a write in. The Nation needs your vote against 0. Thank you.

  • donrsherwood

    Mr. Erickson, one of these candidates WILL be the Republican nominee for President. With “objective” observations, like yours, they may all be wounded ducks.

    if you can’t say good things, say NOTHING. The biased mainstream media doesn’t need any help destroying our candidates.

    STOP your criticism!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …what’s problematic with Perry.

    Appreciated are your dialogues that follow your initial posting.

    I’m a GOP Committeeman from PA and constantly agitate against some party “leaders,” so know that becoming involved could [transiently] enhance frustration.

    But, know that you have a support-group here on RedState; we’ll be more than happy to help you problem-solve!

  • supergirl2911

    of even the suggestion that immigration is a big concern in VA. Are there a lot of border crossings there?

  • Scope

    except maybe the twice a day like a broken clock always is. I heard Morris’s take on the debate also, and when he was all smiles because he thought Bachmann did so well in the debate, he seemed to be talking from Mars.

    I have never been able to trust someone who got kicked to the curb by Bill, at Hillary’s insistence, and then decided to turn state’s witness so to speak. If Morris is a Republican at all, it is a liberal one, and a Perry presidency scares the beejeepers out of them.

  • APA Guy

    He brings interesting perspective based on decades of experience, but I think in many cases he projects too much without basis to do so. That having been said, I’m pretty glad he’s on our side instead of helping Obama get re-elected :)

  • APA Guy

    He brings interesting perspective based on decades of experience, but I think in many cases he projects too much without basis to do so. That having been said, I’m pretty glad he’s on our side instead of helping Obama get re-elected :)

  • pttx333

    if she does run, I don’t believe she would be our nominee. She has pretty much burned herself with a lot of voters, even some of those who were firmly in the tank for her initially. People just do not like game players, and she is that – oh, yes indeed, that she is.

    I’m really hoping that Perry is our pick and agree with your description of him. However, I don’t believe he would choose Palin as a running mate – do you? LOL

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Without histrionics, and with deference, Rick communicated with the moderator.

    The Newt is hanging-on to try to remain “relevant,” despite his ability to speak stridently on multiple sides of issues; for documentation, note how he adopted diametrically opposed stances [over time] regarding Libya.

    Perry is filled with personality, and the electorate is getting an opportunity to be exposed to his affability.

    Remem ber that, in 2004, the narrative was that joe-voter would prefer having a beer with “W” [noting he's a teetotaler] than with stiff-Brahmin Kerry.

    [I watched the Matthews-Interview; they've known each other for decades, apparently, and Chris later-on commented that Rollins was probably not happy with her stridency.]

  • notpropagandized

    White liberals are plentiful almost everywhere, including TheSouth.

    Northern Virginia (DC commuter hordes),
    NCarolina ResearchTriangle (UNC, immigrants fr UrbanNorth),
    Houston/AustinTx
    Florida

    Urban and academic venues breed liberals like feral pigs (3 litters/yr, 8-12 each). It’s a matter of time for these places to mestastasize in TheSouth. Combining white-libs with large majority of similarly socialist-propagandized minorities will eventually catch up with the Obama Fundamental Transformation Of The United States Agenda. We’ll see a HugoChavez in US, sooner or later.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because he previously had NOT supported a Fed-Audit.

    He belongs ANYWHERE while sporting a dunce-cap [particularly noting his foreign policy knowledge-base].

    He can maintain his sense-of-humor, notwithstanding the profundity of the challenge BHO presents [particularly if he can appoint another SCOTUS-Justice].

  • streiff

    Romney by 2 over Obama is MOE
    Obama by 2 over Perry is MOE

    If Romney wins the nomination he has my support and I think he’ll win. However Bob McDonnell is going to endorse Perry in the near future and that will make a dfference.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …particularly as he has local-chats with both voters and media.

  • rtx1

    don’t mean she will run. Palin just likes to use the media to grow her celebrity, and when the media starts to turn its attention elsewhere (Perry, Bachmann, debates, etc.), she gets jealous and goes on the attack, just to drive media attention and speculation back to her.

  • APA Guy

    …than Perry choosing Palin as VP.

    I think Perry chooses someone like Mitch Daniels (term-limited, with last term over after 2012 anyway) once he locks up the nomination.

    Perry/Daniels…both economically successful governors of one large state and another shining star amidst a sea of unemployment and budget deficits (IN).

  • streiff

    having been in the race about a month, does that mean Romney is in a steep decline? Or is Romney just saving his strength for the primaries?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is recognizing the deep religiosity that many Hispanics harbor, associated with close family-values.

    He may be stressing some single-issue electorates within the GOP, but he is captivating most everyone in the process.

  • streiff

    but since you’re leaving I won’t bother.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and a lit-review failed to reveal mental-retardation.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …regardless of the venue in which he is speaking.

    Saw him in Philly-suburbs a year ago, and he was great-fun.

    But pivotal is how he analyzes, not what he concludes, because he often draws upon inside-info.

  • Finrod

    I do think that we need more positive criticism and less negative criticism of our candidates. Also, consider that this time four years ago, John McCain’s campaign was cratering even harder than Bachmann’s is now– so it’s way too soon to be writing off anyone other than say Paul and Huntsman.

  • jiminga

    My numbers aren’t precise but it seems Perry has received about $28K from Big Pharma while running for Lt. Governor and Governor and Bachmann has received about $146K during her tenure in Congress.

    Poof!

  • pttx333

    Daniels would be fine, though. I do feel that if Perry is our guy, he will choose wisely and well. He is no dummy though some love to portray him as such. Reminds me of an old rancher I knew years ago in West Texas. He was a Texas Aggie graduate but never would you have dreamed it. His style was to just sort of play the part of “dumb rancher” and then nail you to the wall when necessary. Maybe it is a Texas thing. LOL

  • websmith

    Ron Paul is obviously the only candidate who wants to do things for his country. The rest are just career politicians who want a job and will say anything to get elected, but Ron doesn’t have the empty headed cheerleader smile of a Palin which is what the public wants to give their vote to so, once again, things are going to get worse before they get better.

  • westcoastpatriette

    as a truly courageous man. I think he has the perfect profile for what this nation needs right now.

    Let’s face it. Running for the prez of the U.S. is a completely surreal experience. Compound that with the fact that our nation seems to be at a precipice on every issue conservatives care about and we desperately need someone with the old-fashion courage of his convictions

    From his positions on social issues to his unapologetic mockery of SS, he has the moxie it will take to win back our nation from its slide into amoral socialism. I also think when all is said and done, the way he handles the illegal immigration issue will win admiration from hispanics without alienating everyone else. Tall order–but that’s what I see.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I’m not a fan, but I think the trend you will see in the next couple of weeks will be Gingrich rising.

    There was a bump for him in the Florida only polling that went out today (he was third) and I think that will continue.

    He is an answer man during a time when people have lots of questions.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Regardless of Virginia’s position as a net recipient of Federal largess, given the northern counties’ proximity to the black hole that sucks the fruits of our labor, Virginia is still very much a Southern state, as the election of Bob McDonnell proves, and a Republican majority in the House underscores. We’ll pick up the VA Senate in the next go around, and thankfully, most of the GOP RINO’s have retired or aren’t running again.

    It will be the most conservative Virginia legislature since 1860. And yes, that date is deliberate. Like Texas, this state is done with the Big Government mandates that, aside from their objective of reducing state power and influence, run the risk of ruining Virginia’s stellar business climate and credit rating…we (including the libtards in Arlington and Alexandria) won’t tolerate it, unlike our kindred mid-Atlantic citizens in Maryland, who are looking to emulate California in their race to the bottom.

    Virginia will go GOP in 2012 — 53 to 47, at a minimum.

    And it’s the fact that the 47 is still that much (rather than 27), that concerns me the most. That nearly half this population wants this nightmare to continue is the most deeply disturbing aspect of everything I read.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because, unlike Sarah’s attack on Rick, his commentary does not preclude a subsequent endorsement of any of them [except Paul].

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …as illustrated,for example, when he warned last week that a fence between America and Mexico could be used to keep us penned-in.

    Huh?

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Gingrich is third.

    I wonder if that is just noise or if it will amount to anything

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    he will be able to “settle” controversies in a principled fashion, healing false-divides created by demagogues.

    He will do what he did in Texas: find common-ground without compromising principles.

  • eburkedisciple

    You have done a great job of objectivity but things seem to be tipping in Perry’s favor. We have a pretty good field in general. What a change!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …he likes to pontificate but, quite often, even when speaking personally [as I did during the PA Leadership Conference a few years ago], he is as slippery as any politician could be.

    Note how his books are long on depicting problems, medium on raising possible solutions, and terribly short on determining definitive action-plans.

    Note “American Solutions, RIP”!

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62161.html

    He’s just another elitist, who agrees with us but who ultimately feels he knows better than we do.

    Perry is a true-populist, running for reasons that would resonate with true-populist voters.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    stupidity shown in pursuit of a third party. Just ask Former President Al Gore.

  • acat

    Whether he likes Perry enough to endorse, personally, or whether enough of The Directors feel Red State should endorse remain open questions.

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …wins PA,

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …wins PA.

  • ora09

    we know you are in the tank for Perry but get ready for Sarah. “we” the people are coming.

  • streiff

    how long has he been in Congress?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …Sarah should control herself.

    I have not begrudged her, as she has eyed the field and said that she would have to make her decision by the end of this month [for operational/filing purposes].

    But she should be more careful because, otherwise, she may compromise her vital ongoing independent plain-speaking ethical role.

    I’ve been a strong supporter but, for now, I’m feeling eclipsed.

  • acat

    After that, I’ll expect a wailing, gnashing of teeth, and third party chatter.

    Mew

  • pttx333

    He has been in Congress around 20 years. Having lived in his conservative district in Texas for a very long time, I would wonder how on earth he kept being elected. Though he is a loony Libertarian, he runs on the Republican ticket for a good reason. By doing so, he kept being swept back into office by those who innocently would vote a straight Republican ticket. The good thing is that I read not very long ago that he was going to retire and fully concentrate on being our resident. Lord help us all!

  • pttx333

    in the last line, change “being our resident” to “being our president.”

  • onemovoter

    And starts to tune it up…

    Because that’s what I’ll be playing once several of us here at RS are proved right about Palin not running.

    The question I have is, what will her rabid supporters do once she throws her support behind someone like Perry?

  • Whacker77

    I’ll probably have gasoline poured on me and then be lit on fire for saying this, but I’m just not impressed with the field at all. On paper, Romney’s got everything going for him, except he’s a flip-flopping dud who has healthcare tied around his neck. Honestly, are there any strong supporters of Romney on RedState?

    As for Perry, I just don’t know, He’s my pick right now, but he sure has a lot of work to do. His debate performances haven’t wowed me and there’s a lot about his Texas record conservatives just aren’t going to like. Still, I’m supporting him right now, but with reservations.

    I’m glad Erick mentioned Rick Santorum. Quite frankly, I’m worn out with his sanctimonious attitude. He always struck me as boorish and the debates have confirmed that. Only in the current state of affairs could a guy who lost to a dud by 18 points then run for president. He’s the new Alan Keyes.

    It’s not going to happen, but I sure wish Rubio, Jeb, or Christie would reconsider. I’ve long been a supporter of Jeb, despite his views on immigration. Actually, he seems to be much like Perry on that issue. Regardless, Jeb would crush this light weight field and he would swamp Obama in the general. Not only that, he would have coat tails that could bring us a huge majority in the Senate.

    Unfortunately, we’re stuck with the field we’ve got. I hope Perry can ease my concerns, but he’s got a lot of work to do. I’ll also vote for Romney, but I have no idea what he stands for. I just hate to see such a great opportunity wasted with lesser candidates.

  • acat

    Same thing the paulistines did in 2008.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    somewhat tacky, but true, comment about your second sentence, and the Shrine in your basement.

  • carolynr

    What is the matter with you? Are you ready to give Obama another 4 years and take away our country?

  • ora09

    boy… Are you Perry’s preacher? We all have to rally behind our final candidate. And let’s not do as Backmann did in going so hard after Perry. Sarah Palin, Perry, Romney whoever is the finalist is OUR candidate. The important thing is to remain united. That’s why a harsh attack against one is an attack on all. I did not get to hear Palin on Perry but I would reject it as well.

  • forlinianslip

    Week after week, I see a strong and inexplicable bias against Santorum by Erickson–an intentional attempt to sabotage his campaign. Erickson says very little to substantiate his sandbagging of the Santorum campaign–just a bunch of taglines to undermine Santorum’s candidacy.

    Debate after debate, Santorum does admirably well, a point underscored by other commentators. Few conservatives ever denigrate his positions or his campaign. At most, it is said that Santorum’s loss in 2006 makes his success in 2012 difficult–but this is insufficient to justify Erickson’s attempt to sandbag him..

    Erickson even prematurely dumped Santorum from his Horse Race column, but to his own embarrassment, had to return him after Santorum’s impressive showing at the Iowa straw poll–in which he ranked a de facto 2nd place finish (with Pawlenty withdrawing, and with Paul having no chance), having spent only $1 for every $10,0000 that other candidates spent.

    One should note that if Bachmann’s campaign were to fizzle (a goal which Erickson seems to be pushing), her supporters would be a natural fit for Santorum..

    Erickson comes across as if he is using this column to play king maker, and this decreases its credibility.

  • aleks

    M. Bachmann is still the best of the Rinos or whatever else you could call them like a bull -artist.

  • snowshooze

    You are correct.
    There are only Palin, Paul and Bachmann seperating Newt from third at this point.
    Palin..if she decides to enter will be shredded in debate.
    Bachmann has already melted down with her rant which made her look psychologically unstable.
    Paul… well..he is Paul.
    This almost puts Newt in play. Very interesting, because in 3rd, you have a 50/50 chance that one of the leaders will do something really dumb.
    And I believe Romney has the best potential of doing so.
    Perry is not the best at debate.
    Newt is absolutely excellent in full body contact debate.
    And Newt plays to win.
    I hadn’t considered this previously, but I think you hit it on the nose.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …a 60′s-era folk singer of whom you may not heard…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Hx_X84LC0

    …you may appreciate a moment of persiflage.

  • msjallen

    and her body posture and looking the other direction when she talked or when Perry was answering her gave her the appearance of a petty child. That wasn’t a high school debate.
    Even though I like many things she stands for I have lost respect for her.

  • jkines

    If Palin does get in, I guess it helps Bachmann, she is eloquent by comparison.

  • msjallen

    listen to Dick Morris. He is too confusing on the issues.

  • onemovoter

    with Gretta, and it left a really bad taste in my mouth.

    I finally saw this person that has turned into a media attention hog. She claimed that her talking about crony capitalism in Iowa has the media and people talking about it with Bachmann picking it up against Perry.

    That was bad enough, when she went further and insinuated that something was there between Perry and Merck, when she had no proof. Now that is as low as the media stories about her that were not true, but she went there.

    That did it for me, but she nailed the final nail when she still went coy with Gretta on if she is in or out. As many others have said, you can only do that act for so long before people move on. It confirms to me she isn’t serious.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Rubio won’t run [and even discounted accepting a nod to be Veep].

    Jeb knows his last name would be poison, but he’s still quite young.

    CC just signed-off on a yearlong moratorium on fracking; he’s shown a liberal-streak occasionally, so it’s just fine that he’s populist but NOT running for POTUS.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …created a track-record in PA for being a profligate spender.

    His policies are well-articulated, although he’s attacking Perry from a “holier than thou” posture.

    Basically, he’s the classic attention-seeker who would want to be chosen for Veep.

  • msjallen

    I appreciate Mr. Erickson’s comments. They are very helpful. He saw things I did not but needed to see and hear.
    If I don’t like someone’s comments, I no longer tune them in.

  • jkines

    Perry has a solid ground game in FL, and Romney will have to catch up. There a lot more voter intensity for Perry as well. Bachmann, as this poll reflects, is history.

  • onemovoter

    Has been reviewed by many and never recorded any mental-retardation as a result of the HPV shot?

    Just making sure of what you said is all.

  • carolynr

    I’ve read Erick’s analysis. I’ve read most of the posts. The ticket will be Perry/Rubio…Rudy will be AG and I believe there will be a spot for Herman Cain. I also predict that Perry & company has a plan for SS. Here’s what I look at.: After 3 years of Obama…I need to feel, know..believe that whoever will be nominated has given us evidence.
    This is why I like Perry. So…he’s not the GREAT DEBATER…HE HAS THE EVIDENCE. He also knows the solutions. The evidence…JOBS. Does Romney have that…Nope. He might have helped “some” companies back on their feet…BUT IT WAS NOT IN GOVERNMENT. The POTUS is a “government job”. So, how well did Romney fair…not good at all. Besides, someone needs to look into his record with the Big Dig…SPEND…SPEND…SPEND. Then I look for more evidence (because BHO provided NOTHING). Besides JOBS…what else..well, doctors are flocking into Texas because of Tort Reform. What would that mean to us in the rest of the states…LOWER PREMIUMS ON JUST ABOUT EVERTHING. Tough on crime. Do you think that Mexican gangbangers are going to come into Texas AND skate scott free…I don’t. They kill someone…they’re as good as dead. His educational record has continued to go up from 2009..some counties up 23%…others over 125% from the previous year. Then we have businesses coming into Texas…LOTS OF THEM. So…how is TAXACHUSETTS DOING WITH BUSINESS? This is evidence…after Obama…I need evidence.

    Romney will not back off his healthcare plan…he won’t say he was wrong…he defends it. Besides…Romney is an “insider”…the preferred candidate of the GOP. Perry…well, here’s his remark: I will make Washington DC as inconsequential as possible in your life”. Hey…I like that idea…REAL WELL. Romney is a BIG CAP AND TRADE GUY. BS…No more of this stuff. Another Nobel Scientist just said this stuff is BUNK. (See Drudge 9/15)

    This election is the MOST important of our time. Let’s let the evidence tell us what way to go…NOT WHETHER someone went to Yale or whether they drop their “g’s”. We want A DOER…NOT A TALKER.

  • jkines

    3rd parties don’t work. I’m fairly close to a doctrinaire libertarian (which for the record Ron Paul is NOT) philosphically. However, I’m registered and vote Republican due to pragmatic concerns (such as 4 more years of Obama for example). There will never be a perfect candidate, and within any political party there is bound to be dissent on a given set of issues. But, it is incumbent upon liberty minded of all stripes to find common ground against the neo-left statists that have subsumed the opposition. The alternative is 2008-2009 ad infinitum.

  • carolynr

    What are is issues? The guy is toast.

  • pttx333

    Other than the Camp Granada son you linked, I seem to recall him recording a number of other cute songs. Thanks for the fun flashback.

  • snowshooze

    And he already has every one of them.
    I don’t think they are making any more.
    He won’t lose any though, they are dedicated.
    Yes, he has some great ideas.
    He has a lot more that are really bad.

  • Scope

    thought Gingrich was one of the better ones in the Fla. debate. I liked many of his answers. He’s done well in past debates also. I just don’t see him gaining enough ground to move up any higher, and I’m not sure that his 3rd place finish in this poll wasn’t only because of his performance in that debate. Do you really think Gingrich really wants the nom? I’m not sure that he does. I don’t know if he even has much of a campaign staff at this point. I believe many left and went with Perry before Perry even announced.

  • pttx333

    It took me a while to figure out why I just couldn’t warm up to him enough to listen to a thing he had to say. Remember when we were in high school, there was always at least one guy who thought he was oh-so-cool yet always fell flat? We girls used to refer to them as “icky” – a really juvenile word, but, hey, we were juveniles. At any rate, that is my take on Santorum. Whether it is fair or not on my part, I don’t know. And at this juncture, I don’t care.

  • jkines

    represent mainstream libertarians in any way shape or form. Matt Welch, Nick Gillespie, John Stossel would be far more indicative. Basing all libertarians off Paul is like saying all conservatives are like Palin.

  • jkines

    a veritable theocrat in the vein of Ayatollah Khomeini. No thanks.

  • jkines

    Perry needs to work on. He doesn’t need to be Churchill, he just needs to be solid. It’s a skillset that is easily learned for one of his presence, the biggest issue I see with his debate performance is that his talking points are not sufficiently delineated. He’s great on concepts, but needs to cite more supporting examples, anecdotes, statistics etc.

  • pttx333

    I was by no means inferring that Liberatarians are loony – I meant that Paul is really way-out-there loony. I know what you mean by Libertarian, I also have a little bit of Liberatarian in me. It is the part of me that I refer to as the “get out of my house” streak. Does that qualify? LOL I’m not really sure that Paul qualifies as a Libertarian as I understand it. There isn’t really a category he would fit into comfortably.

    I’m so sorry that I really blew my description of Paul – when I re-read a minute ago what I had written, I totally concur with the impression you got from what I wrote.

  • wmcs

    I have great reservations if Perry has a true conservative heart. The exective order was not a core conservative decision. It was based more on emotion which is a liberal way of making decisions. Exective order destroys the representive form of government at least in the very important issues. IF Perry is conservative to the core he would never have ordered such an important decisions. He seems to distrust the representive form of government, one that overwhelming overturned his decision. This exective order smacks of big government mentality and big brotherism. NOT conservativism!

    If we are not careful we can destroy all the TEA party has done by picking the wrong person.

    People we can not just overlook this AND the imagration issue AND the tuition for ILLEGALS.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    excerpt from report:

    “…32 million Gardasil dosages have been given [Reference #14], it was concluded, ?there are only two cases of ITP.” [Idiopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpura]

  • Scope

    Like allow Iran to get nukes to take out the great satan, the US.

    To allow your corner convenience store to sell pot over the counter, and heronie under the counter.

    To bring back goldbuggery.

    To promote and encourage those who want to earn a living in prostitution.

    To bring all the troops home, sell our real estate assets around the world, and use that money to buy a few good submarines to protect the US and all her people.

    To let the anti-semites (which he is one) to wipe Israel off the map.

    To have free and friendly trade deals with all of our enemies.

    To take the country off the awful elite written Constitution, that was only written to grow the government, and put us back on the Articles of Confederation.

    To bring back deadly diseases through a policy of no government mandated vaccinations, including polio, small pox, measels, rubella, mumps, leprocy (sp).

    That’s just off the top of my head. I can come up with many more things Paul would like to do to, ooops, for the country.

    Paul has sat his butt in Washington for so long, his chair is permanently affixed to his buttocks, but he isn’t a career politician?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Pawlenty or Daniels then. They are the only people around with a record of conservative accomplishment as Governors.

    Short of them, Perry is likely to be the best you’re going to find. And, there is no such thing as a “true conservative”, unless they’ve never held an executive post.

  • Finrod

    Sorry, just being pedantic about the name. (-:

    He was the undisputed king of parodies in the 1960s; even President Kennedy was heard singing his parody Sarah Jackman (of the old French nursery rhyme) at one point. He was the direct inspiration of “Weird Al” Yankovic; you can see one of Allan’s albums depicted on the cover of Al’s first (eponymous) album. He started off as a tv producer, lived next door to Harpo Marx, who along with George Burns got him his first record contract, and the rest is history from there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sherman

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and today is no exception.

    I was somewhat dismayed by the Body Lingo analysis on O’Reilly last night, however, because they detected a smirk [comparable to that of Bush-'43, which I remember that i also didn't like] where I only noted a wry smile.

    So the following point by jkines is probably apt; Rick needs to polish his debating approach a bit, but he should continue not to worry about audience response…because everything he says now will be replayed by BHO.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    How about we focus on the literacy education in your neck of the woods?

  • Aaron Gardner

    Get along now.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …must be spiced-up by reality.

    The proximity of Mexico has modified Rick’s approach to illegals VERY slightly.

    And his pro-life emotions probably triggered the Gardisil-event…which was NEVER implemented.

    So let not the search for perfection hinder achieving the good, ok?

  • mikeymike143

    and all the major tea party groups have publicly come out against a ”third party” of any type. we encourage people to get involved in whatever political party they belong to and steer them in the correct direction. i am a republican so i want to help get the republican party to embrace more conservatism and less government regulation.

    FYI – i blog on a couple of the big tea party sites and it is usually the ”bitter republican haters” and the ”paulbot conspiracy wackos” that are advocates of a third party on those sites.

  • Scope

    Even in the face of the attacks coming from all sides, including many on our own side, he still brings a sense of optimism that we can in fact make this country great again. He hasn’t been sour at all, and if he made a few angry faces at the debates, only a robot could stand there stone faced, or smiling when Bachmann just refused to let anything go, even after he just got done saying yet again that the Guardasil issue was a mistake, and that he learned from it. Notice Bachmann couldn’t look him in the face as she was saying what she did? She looked in the opposite direction while making her attacks. That is cowardly. When you are ripping into someone, at least have the courtesy to look them in the face if you are really being honest with your accusations.

    An important thing for me also is that Perry exudes a confidence in his leadership, and abilities to steer the ship back in the right direction. He’s had lots of practice.

  • paco12348

    Perry needs to explain his full stand on immigration before he gets my vote and the vote of many others. He didn’t support Arizona. He gives instate tuition to illegals. He sounds like Obama and the Dream Act to me. I like him on all other issues but immigration will kill him for many, many voters. I want the rule of law returned to this Nation and means secured borders and the exit of all illegals. Give the illegals a certain amount of time to exit, give employers a certain amount of time to get rid of illegal employees, and the same for housing. After that time is up, illegals remaining are forcefully ousted or imprisoned, employers are fined and their business confiscated, housing is the same way. States giving support lose all Federal funding for a year. The same goes for people outstaying their Visas. Get rid of birthright citizenship and make it retroactive.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Ahhh, unconstitutional.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Rick_Perry.htm

    Secure the Mexican border against drug cartels. (Feb 2011)
    Illegal immigration cost TX $928M in one year. (Nov 2010)
    End the notion of sanctuary cities. (Jan 2009)
    $100 million investment in a more secure border. (Feb 2007)
    Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
    Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Rick_Perry_Immigration.htm
    [full-quotes]

  • mikeymike143

    and the reason he is unelectable is because of his moronic polices.

  • Jim Tomasik

    ‘Worked.

  • jjhlh1

    Yes, I noticed that Bachmann looked away from Perry when he answered her charge. That came across as very childish. Then again, she was behaving like a hysterical child at that point.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    he likes his freedom, and his right to leave the country…

    ….and clearly as POTUS he has no problem with people wanting to denounce their citizenship, and escape to other countries in the event that economic armageddon when the Build-A-Burger restaraunt chain steals the value of Gold away from the Leprechaun investors…

    At least I think that’s the only reason he’s running for POTUS…

    At any rate I think his position is pretty clear there… why keep people out…when clearly we’ll all just want to eventually leave anyway…

    /Sarcasm

  • jjhlh1

    O’Reilly followed that up by saying Bachmann has run a great campaign. Obviously they aren’t paying close attention. Both need to tighten their game.

  • Whacker77

    I disagree with you about Jeb and his last name. He would start with the McCain 2008 states as his base. He would also win back IN, VA, and NC. He would lock down FL as well. That would put him at 248 EVs. Add in OH and he’s at 266. All he would need is one other state. That could be PA, MI, WI, IO, CO, NM, NV, or NH. Jeb would have Obama on total defense.

    As for the age question, I believe he’s 58. If an R wins this time around, Jeb would be close to 67 or so in 2020. He’ll be too old, he’ll have been out of office 14 years, and other people will be more interesting than him. He either runs now, or he never gets another chance. Rubio and Christie will be much bigger names than him in 2016.

  • westcoastpatriette

    and it definitely revealed a side of her that I had never seen. I would almost describe it as a pouting look of desperation trying to get the audience to see things her way. It was over the top for sure.

    I do hope she can recover enough to continue her involvement in politics as I think she has a lot to bring to the table. That’s the problem with running for president with so little experience. The pressure that comes from all angles requires a lot of strength and skill to deal with effectively and Bachmann just hasn’t acquired enough of both to be successful, yet.

  • swami7774

    …will not be the nominee.

  • red_oakster

    Rubio would. The bigger news for PA is the effort to replace winner take all in electoral votes for allocation by district.

  • Scope

    that Newt’s bump in the polls just may be because of his debate performance on Mon. night. I thought he was great, and most importantly he didn’t get into knocking the others on the stage, he didn’t participate in the Perry attacks, but just gave some really good answers. I though he honorably stayed above the fray. By that latest Fla. poll, taken shortly after the Fla. debate, you can see that Bachmann didn’t fare so well, and Perry the Pinata stayed in first place. Do you think it will hold?

  • red_oakster

    Rudy will be a cabinet member if Perry wins. I’m betting State or Defense, though I’d prefer him at Defense (with Bolton at State).

  • Tbone

    sing all the lyrics.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    disagree with you stupid? To me stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Moderate Repubs. are not going to fix our mess. Yes, they may be the lesser of two evils, but ultimately they take us to the same place just at a slower pace.

  • Scope

    but there is still alot of BDS going on within this party. Why do you think many are trying tie Perry with W, and saying that he would just be another Bush? The Bush name is truly still quite toxic.

  • Tbone

    so he can tell both of them smart things to say.

  • pttx333

    There were a lot of songs back then that everyone went around singing at one point or another – not so much in today’s world. One song in particular that got a lot of air play was “Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor On the Bedpost Overnight.” That was a lot of fun when playing charades.

    George Burns brings back a lot of memories, too. Now I’ve got to get on youtube and look up a lot of goodies – particularly the old Johnny Carson clips, then there’s Carol Burnett – I could go on and on. Lots of good, clean laughter way back when.

    Thanks for the history lesson, Fin. Enjoyed it a lot.

  • Common_Cents

    he’ll get more debate time if his campaign hangs on.

  • snowshooze

    I think Perry will hold just fine.
    He has been in the game long enough that every skeleton has already been drug out into broad daylight, I don’t see that as a problem.
    Perry hasn’t shown a propensity to go on personal attack against others. And where he is not the gifted war horse in debate that Newt is, he is straight forward in his own defenses.

    Maybe that is a very good thing. He doesn’t overdo it.
    He seems to make his point without dwelling on it.

    Unless he makes some major unforced error, he is going home with the nomination.
    I think he is pretty good. All around. Believable.

    And if Romney pulls a Bachmann, and Newt is head to head with Perry, it changes things a bit.

    Newt, God Bless him…well…around here we all know Newt.
    But out there in the rest of the world…
    Newt is absolute awesome. Brilliant. He can burn down the house.
    Will they bite? I have to wonder, because we have Obama.
    We would have to see how well he can stand up to his history. If anyone could defend Newt, it would be Newt.
    A real seasoned street fighter. A real Bull-dog.

    But, as things stand we aren’t there.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    *My IQ is not Mensa but it is very respectable.
    *I am not pimping.
    *I am not a bitter republican hater.
    *I am not a paulbot conspiracy wacko.
    *I’ve voted conservative all my life.
    *I am not going to vote for Obama.
    *There is nothing the matter with me.

    If you folks really want to have influence with those who disagree with you, you will not treat them like they are complete morons for their opinions. You will help Redstate.com have far more influence when dissenters are treated with respect even if you think they are nut jobs. Articluate reasonable argments don’t attack the person. It may make you feel better but it won’t win people over to your side.

    I totally understand the “don’t hand the election to Obama” rhetoric. I’ve been using it myself. I simply am tired of establishment republicans picking my candidate for me.

  • silentcal2012

    Back to reality. Here’s a day’s worth of news you wont get in the Rick Perry blog bubble:

    Brand new poll shows Romney leading Perry by 8 in CA (psst, its bigger than TX)

    National Bloomberg poll shows Perry’s former double digit lead is now within the margin of error.

    Another poll shows Romney the only republican beating Obama in Virginia, Perry trails.

    Saul Anuzis joins the Romney Team.

    Business Insider once proclaimed Perry the frontrunner, now says he isn’t after debates. Released article headlined “Perry Failing First Tests”.

    A video of Perry complaining about NH first of the nation primary is damaging him in a state that he is already trailing badly.

  • tyman

    Mark asked him directly if he would do anything like in-state tuition on the Federal level and he very quickly told Mark that he would not. What I take from that is that they have had to be very creative in handling an issue that the Feds have totally flubbed.

    I do understand about his criticism of AZ’s law that it would take lawmen away from other jobs to take care of the illegals. The AZ law, as I see it, is only something to do until the Feds get their act together, and I don’t know that the illegals can all be sent back (I used to think that, but now I’m not so sure). Texas has a problem that other states can only imagine, so I’m sure it has had to be handled delicately and creatively. I’m not giving Perry a pass, I’m just saying that he’s had to deal with things that other states have not.

    I believe I’ve also heard that, while the Fed doesn’t enforce the borders, the state is responsible for putting them on wellfare. So, as Perry said the other night, they can either be on the dole, or they can go to college as an incentive (also, remember that since Texas does NOT have an income tax, the illegals pay taxes through sales tax so they are helping to pay for the state supported schools). Honestly, I’d be glad to know how many actually participate in the in-state tuition.

    Perry may want to keep his tongue on this issue because he knows how important the Latino vote is (the Insider Advantage poll released today in Florida shows Perry with 48% of the Hispanic vote…no other candidate comes close).

    In terms of the border fence or wall, it would be terribly, terribly expensive and that is the Fed’s role anyway. Aside from this, how do you build a fence in the middle of the river, which is where the border is? Further, how do you provide a border that doesn’t restrict water to farmers on the Texas border? I read that the other day, and can honestly say I’ve never thought about that one.

    I’m as conservative as anyone, and have had to rethink this myself. I do hope that Perry can articulate this, but without upsetting the Latino voters (if I were Latino and came here legally, I would be upset at the illegals, but that’s just me). I’m sure it’s a delicate balance.

    I think the Texas immigration problem also contributed somewhat to Perry’s HPV decision in terms of the illegals and other poor. I believe I read somewhere that Texas has one of the largest, if not largest, HPV epidemics, and it’s predicted to get worse. They certainly have a very high teen pregnancy rate.

    I don’t like the term Texas Dream Act either, but this wasn’t Perry’s idea it was a Houston area Democrat’s idea to call it that.

    I know Perry has some clarifying to do, but I’m not sure he could do it in the time allotted in a debate…and soundbytes would be too easy to take out of context. Besides, Perry and his team may be waiting to trip someone else up and play a waiting game.

  • eburkedisciple

    Got to differ on Santorum. He gets stronger in the debates and reminds us that he has been long on the right side. And how can you discard Cain with the kind of experience we need. Heave-Ho to all the politicians in general, like in NY-9, get me a business man who understands.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    there are ignorant kooks who promote the concept of third parties.

    There is no reasonable argument to be made in favor of a third party and people who attempt to make the argument are, in fact, morons.

  • eburkedisciple

    Santorum is a contender as far as ability and experience and conservative stand – cannot figure why y’all act like he smells bad.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    stupid. Some are very intelligent and very thoughtful. People who promote the idea of a third party are neither. In spades.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …but one should not be ruled by polling data; it should be used to strategize.

  • eburkedisciple

    If we are looking to vision a better America Bolton is solid but Rudy is not.

  • eburkedisciple

    So why do you discard Cain?

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Both of these guys have similar social con values (as does Bachmann), but Santorium doesn’t have as much momentum as Cain.

    What is there to say about Santorium?

    Is he in it (like Newt appears to be) to direct the dialogue? Then fine.

    Is he still trying to win?

    Does he just not have any advisers willing to tell him that he’s wasting his time?

  • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

    If you really are tired of establishment picking, then follow ColdWarrior’s advice!

    Voting third party will only exacerbate the problem and hand 0 4 more years, giving the establishment ammunition as why conservatives are icky . We cannot afford to sit by the sidelines.

    It is frustrating for people such as yourself to spout off about not supporting the eventual nominee and then attempt a guilt trip when our frustration overflows! Respect is a 2-way street there!

    Vote for the Republican nominee, become a PC, and change it from the ground up. Or don’t come complaining to us when doing nothing changes nothing!

  • tyman

    I think it will be more clear about Perry leading Romney. I think the conservative supporters of other candidates will go to Perry; seriously, Romney couldn’t beat McCain in 2008. McCain didn’t win in ’08 because I don’t think he rallied the evangelicals.

    Perry may be behind in CA, but he’s 2nd in a state where he has campaigned very little.

    Romney led Perry in FL, too, but now Insider Advantage shows Perry up by 9.

    I’m suspect of any poll showing Obama beating Bozo the Clown at this point.

    Saul Anuzis is from Michigan, that hardly seems fair.

    I read that from Business Insider, too, but the early debates don’t seem to have generated that much attention based on TV ratings and how early it is. I don’t think his point about Perry going to Liberty College holds water either: Perry isn’t going there because he has to, I think he was just consolidating trips since he was in that area of the country.

    The video is from 1992. I read that Perry is polling 2nd in NH. I think other candidates will drop out by then, and their supporters will back Perry. Besides, no one expects Perry to win NH anyway. Look at who has won in NH and gone down in flames (hello, Pat Buchanan).

    For me, Romney just seems like the kid in high school that has the smirk on his face because he thinks he’s the smartest. If Romney had used his answer about mandates on Bill O’Reilly the other night during a debate, Perry’s boofest would have looked like a whisper by comparison. Besides this, for someone to supposedly have so much business experience, his answer about The Fair Tax showed how little he understands (that’s why I didn’t support him in ’08); and, how an investment guy could call a system that provides its beneficiaries with a 1-2% rate of return a success makes me question that even further (actually SS provides a negative return when you take into account taxes and inflation). Perry ought to ask Romney if he thinks he’d have any takers starting a mutual fund like that. I’d love to see Romney’s face at that.

  • jkines

    to reality. No one cares what GOP candidate leads in CA, Obama will win it regardless. It means about as much as which GOP candidate leads in D.C.

    Perry leads Romney in Iowa, South Carolina, Florida, and Nevada. Of the early primaries Romney only leads in NH. If Romney loses to Perry in IA, SC, FL, and Nevada, the race will be effectively over.

    We’ve done the Romney dance before if you hadn’t noticed–McCain and Dole–and those worked out about as well as Romney will in a general election campaign. He’s more vulnerable on immigration then Perry, has no hope of the Hispanic vote, his economic plan is so tepid it makes Gerald Ford look like Hayek, and his history of waffling will insure that Plouffe and Axelrod utilize the same playback that destroyed Kerry in ’04 to perfection.

  • Scope

    You have obviously done your research on the issue. Probably more than many. I remembered reading somewhere that Texas does in fact have a higher rate of HPV, and yes, I do believe that Hospitals are required to treat those visiting emergency rooms, whether they can pay for it or not. I couldn’t imagine someone not being treated with a serious, or life threatening illness, legal or not. A headache or a wart removal is a different story.

    I know I will get denigrated for this, but, it seems the Republicans have almost been taught to reflexively be against anything illegal as to hispanic. Do you often hear anyone complaining about the French, German, Irish, Canadian, or any other ethnicity that are also here illegally. They really do exist, just maybe not in the numbers of Mexicans. For years we’ve almost made a song out of “build the fence, build the fence”, and, as the years have gone by with that tune, and no real fence or border security, the young children that have come, or that have been born as anchor babies, are now teenagers, or even older. Do we round them all up and send them back home to their birth country? I agree with you that we have long passed that possibility.

    How many here know, and maybe even have friends that are hispanic? How many are willing to admit that? I actually have some acquaintences that are most likely illegal mexicans. I can say without a doubt that they are the hardest workers for the least amount of money, and, are truly doing a job that many many Americans are not willing to do. And, not a one of them have ever been arrested, or gotten into any kind of trouble.

    OTOH, it is a fact that they have increased local budgets with schools, emergency room costs, and welfare costs. Whose fault is that. I would have to put that on the heads of the bureaucrats that insist that we don’t make them assimilate, just as we don’t require that Muslims, or any other ethnic group to assimilate. Everyone in America must be required to honor the American flag, and the American culture as their first obligation.

    Somewhere around here I remember reading a comment- Celebrate diversity, or else.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because of that CNN poll that shows that the depth of support for Perry dwarfs that which has been generated for Romney.

  • texasmom2012

    Used to use my exaggerated accent when dealing with people in the Northeast. Letting them think I was not intelligent allowed me to take advantage in negotiating prices. Not exactly sure why they seem to think up there that talking like a Texan signifies a lack of brainpower but I never minded that belief, hey I made $$$$ because of it!

    Think I am going to enjoy watching libs heads explode whenever Perry speaks. I am sure they will assume he is unintelligent as well. Plus I love a good Aggie! Married one… That campus is one really proud of it’s military cadets and their traditions…

  • dbass

    I am not talking about Rick Perry either. . .
    I have to disagree with you on your analysis of RP. . .
    He is ethical and constitutional
    Rick Perry takes money from big pharma and kills young girls.

  • Common_Cents

    Maybe even favored to win if he hangs on to take on perry and romney. I like all 3′s chances against Obama.

    I was suprised he didn’t engage more in the last debate as well. I’m glad he didn’t partake in the Perry attacks. he comes across as more presidential.

    He would shred Obama to pieces. He would just need a strong new conservative/tea party type VP. i’d think he’d work hard to get some type of Palinesque, Rubio, Jindalesque endorsement. That would give him additional momentum. Maybe support from DeMint?

    the “baggage” line gets real old. Everyone is amazed by the guy then its oh, “baggage”. Only among the political junkies, the rest of America might know he was a Speaker of the House(but doubt it) and know him as a FNC analyst and thats it.

    He just needs to get out front of any past baggage (affair, pelosi), apologize and shut up and not rationalize it. The mistake Perry made after apologizing for the Gardasil thing is he went on to rationalize his decision. He should know better. Apologize, admit mistake and then…….shut up. Perry deserved his lumps. If Perry can’t take a little heat from Bachmann he won’t survive the obama media machine.

  • tyman

    I’m not trying to make Perry fit my mold of the perfect candidate. The Lord knows there isn’t a perfect candidate.

    I’m just trying to be objective about things. Someone that thinks the Federal government should have less authority doesn’t sound like someone who would usurp authority in other areas. You can say I’m trying to have cake and eat it, too, but I’m certainly not trying to do that.

    I, too, think there is a much better way than to just send them back. I know there are some who come as “conquistadors del norte” or something like that (sorry, I took Latin and French), but I think most are simply trying to get away from Mexico and their problems.

    If we can get the economy going, I MEAN REALLY GOING, there may be a place for the “migrant workers” (I think The Fair Tax would go a long way to make this happen, and the illegals would pay the taxes on consumption, too!). However, if an illegal alien commits a crime, drives drunk, etc., etc. it needs to be made very plain that they will suffer the stiffest penalties possible.

    My brain is a blob at the end of the day, so I’m having trouble getting my thoughts together. Who knows, if conservatives play it right, we could gain a whole new voting bloc, at the same time creating another generation of Americans who work hard to fulfill their dreams.

  • snowshooze

    He made his statement, stood by his apology…
    And then he pretty much stood there and took it.
    And Michele …
    And Newt, well, the baggage is not great, but the history will take some explaining.
    Again, if anybody could defend Newt…. it is Newt.

  • Lesstressrx

    Sarah still works for Fox. She has never resigned. She is also going to be real busy defending herself, once again, when the 2 new books come out in the next few weeks about her. I am very sorry for this, but it will happen. I doubt much of it will be true, but for Sarah she already has too much baggage. Remember that is why she said she quit her job as Governor. Too much baggage and it was hurting her state. That would be the same story if she were running for President. It is very doubtful that she is considering the job.

  • http://www.pointofdebate.blogspot.com psu145

    Then somebody bent on denigrating people they don’t agree with. Next time I’ll look up your views before I speak so I know what to say that is so brilliant as to be defied by no one.

  • tyman

    I take the side that Perry did nothing wrong regarding HPV, once you look at all the reasons why he did what he did; all of them honorable intentions, IMHO.

    Rick Perry may not be the best debater, but I think he held his own against a woman feels like she has been scorned, politically of course. Logic has a difficult time against emotion anyway, and that’s all Michele Bachmann was. Maybe Perry is so good that he foresaw the train wreck coming, and just got out of the way.

    I’m wondering if Perry is so good that this is the reason he has not lamblasted Obomneycare yet: he’s waiting for the right time and place.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Please stop.

    Not a request.

  • Scope

    however I part ways with your support of the Fair Tax. I would much more prefer the Flat Tax, with no exceptions that those below a certain income threshold get to not pay any taxes. Everyone has to have skin in the game so to speak. To penalize everyone else with the Fair Tax, in order to catch up those not paying taxes, makes it unfair for the rest of the taxpayers, who should be paying taxes on their earnings, rather than on every single thing they buy. From what I understand, the way the Fair Tax works, the lower income workers get all kinds of credits and advance credits anyway. So, where does it catch up everyone to insure that everyone has skin in the game? A Flat Tax, with no exceptions, catches up everyone.

  • onemovoter

    something that most people don’t know or haven’t looked into.

    Here is a quote from someone in Texas who is familiar with Perry’s abilities and the way he does things.

    “Texans who follow politics know that the Social Security move was VINTAGE Perry.

    1. Stake a (very) strong position.
    2. Suck all the oxygen from the room (and away from other politicians)
    3. Play rope-a-dope with them while they hyperventilate
    4. Back off if the margins go negative, or double-down if they continue to go well.”

    I’ve been reading books about Perry written by others who show a person who is extremely smart when it comes to retail politics. He also tends to run his political operations like a business expecting results from those who work for him. He knows he doesn’t have to know every single detail as long as he gets the reasons and theories behind everything. This is the same way Reagan ran things.

  • clintonformccain

    for us to afford to imprison all of the illegal aliens in the United States right now.

    That makes a nice soundbyte, but start doing the math on how many buses you would have to charter to send 12 million people to Mexico next week.

    The issue will always be getting control of the in-flow.

  • momenomics

    Rick Perry is the best man for the job period! No one else is even coming close in the polls and main objective in 2012 is to win!! Anyone even Ron Paul or Huntsman would be better than Nobama!

  • onemovoter

    There was a post by Allapundit that basically shredded Bachmann.

    Bachmann is refusing to retract her statement recounting the woman’s claim of her daughters mental retardation from Gardasil.

    Bachmann refuses to apologize

  • iidvbii

    Using false attacks like those above reflect not only on your personal integrity and character but lead intellectually honest people to doubt the viability of your candidate. Whose going to take Dr. Paul seriously when his supporters are crackpot liars?

  • Bill S

    There should be a u and an m in between the d and the b.

  • Caleb Howe

    Buh-bye now.

  • Common_Cents

    Geez, so she overstepped when going after Perry over the issue, big deal!

    Gawd, it’s almost as if she assaulted the guy.

    Hey, i like Perry and think he can defend himself quite well. I can’t believe the pile-on on Bachmann. It’s a freakin dead horse, quit kickin.

    Bachmann should have been challenged on her comments and then done. Why damage Bachmann? She is a big asset to conservatives.

    Any more backlash and we are only hurting ourselves.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have Bachmann have some contender credibility back in congress? or perhaps knocking out Kloubachar in a senate race?

    Enough is enough.

    And I’m not even a Bachmann for Prez supporter.

    Let’s keep an eye on the big picture people. Bachmann is our friend.

  • gekster

    then she has earned all that she gets.
    I was a Bachmann supporter also, but not so much now.
    She should just go back to her old job and try to keep it.
    Presidential material, not any more.

  • jayjayson

    In ’92, when the Elder Bush was against Clinton and even if every “Little General Ross” vote went to Bush instead, Clinton would still have win handle in the Electoral College and barely in the popular vote. I did a paper on it for a college course with detail down to prcince levels. It was very interesting to see that in ’92 nothing that was done could help Bush win.
    Now if you want to look at the election of ’96, the answer would be differnt. Dole lost just enough to Peior that he lost 9 key states, Ohio/Iowa and such. Those states would have thrown the election to Dole. It could have been close like 2000 was.

  • Jack_Savage

    It is multiple choice, and the answer is one of two words.

    If indeed you have voted conservative all your life and can’t stand Obama as President, let me ask you this – if Hillary Clinton ran as a third party candidate, would that make you:

    1) Happy
    2) Sad

    Thanks in advance.

  • jayjayson

    Ron Paul does have warts. I would be the first to say that. I would love to support him. However as I say to all my Libertarian friends, you have to grow up some day. If we were living in the 1870′s, yes what he says makes sense. But we live in a world where the US has been enforcing peace for 60 years. We are stuck with that role now. If we fall, well it would be a nice group of wars, followed with a growth of empires. Not the best thing but normal.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    But there’s nothing wrong with making it unattractive or unprofitable to stay.

  • JSobieski

    We definitely don’t have to give anyone advantages over lawful US citizens and residents.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    A string of early losses tends to decimate any candidate’s fundraising and GOTV mojo, no matter whether there are states with bigger delegate totals off in the horizon.

    I think it will be over before California, one way or teh other.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    There will really be howls if she does not endorse someone else early.

  • jayjayson

    I’ve read that Gardasil is safer then the flu vac.
    If you read some of news around Perry’s EO on Gardasil, from Texas not national, the reasons seem right. The CDC made a recomdation that Gardasil be given to Girls between 11 and 14. I also think that they recomended that boys of the same age the shot also. In Texas, Perry had one of three choices:
    1) Do nothing – the Leg was out on reccess and have parents pay $200 to $500 per shot to get it.
    2) Call a special sesion of the Leg to pass a bill – this would have cost many hundred of thousand to a million dollars.
    3) Make an EO – then insurance companies woudl cover the expense of the shots.

    Seems to me that he was trying to do the best cost and health choice.

  • porkandcheese

    Have fun with that. Your label is like wearing a big Kick Me sign.

  • jayjayson

    Newt could defend Newt very well. However he would be hard pressed in some areas to get those independent voters. He seems to be moving towards the better fit for him, senior advisor to POTS, or even reg Czar. Could you see him cutting out regulations left and right? It could be fun. I would say keep him away from the EPA. Don’t know why but I wouldn’t trust him near the EPA.

  • porkandcheese

    Meaning donors, volunteers and activists. In other words, the actual party. If you want to change the party, join the party. The more you do for it, the more sway you’ll wield. Or you can pout. But don’t get mad when people make fun of you.

  • porkandcheese

    When did Newt say something smart besides the ovation he got for reminding everyone that Obama is no friend to SS? Everyone else was too busy piling on Perry. Back when Pawlenty was in the race, Bachmann scored points for doing the same. We saw how long that lasted.

  • porkandcheese

    How long has that former vagina doctor been fossilizing in the House doing jack squat but promoting crank theories about Jews?

  • pttx333

    but use it only when absolutely necessary. With numerous accents in Texas, it is simple to latch on to a couple of them and sort of blend the two to come up with something unique. Being reared out in West Texas left me with a pretty strong West Texas accent, and it is so much fun to exaggerate it when need be. My late husband was from upstate NY, and his family loved to tease me – of course I loved to lay it on really thick too. It was fun.

    The libs started bashing Perry for being “not smart enough” to be a candidate, yada yada, even before he announced he was in the running. Oh, and his “pointed-toe boots” just weren’t going to work anywhere outside of Texas. Another good one that I read: “Perry went to a small college in Texas” dismissing Aggies as no big deal. I have a good answer for them all: “How much do ya wanna bet?”

  • porkandcheese

    Unfortunately, there is no immunity for stupidity, but you can beat it to death.

  • tyman

    …but just a few points. I’ve been a fan of a national retail sales tax for decades. A flat tax keeps the IRS in place and it becomes too easy for politicians to manipulate the rates. In theory, a flat tax will do fine until the politicians start monkeying around with it.

    The Fair Tax eliminates the IRS and it eliminates the possibility that the rates will change for a certain group of individuals. I feel that it is immoral, anyway, to tax someone on what they earn. Our tax code does not encourage savings and investment, so to tax people on what they buy seems much more in line with encouraging that, to me.

    Everyone receives those credits in the form of a rebate for the basic necessities of life (up to the poverty level), and the Fair Tax insures that illegals, drug dealers, prostitutes and other tax avoiders will pay taxes for what they buy at the retail level.

    Another thing I’m not sure about the flat tax is what it will do with the corporate tax. Now, everything that we buy at the retail level has an embedded @ 23% tax (and libs love for folks to believe that we need to stick it to the greedy corporations). With the Fair Tax, the laws of supply and demand should cause this 23% to be eliminated when the corporate taxes go away. This does several big things that a flat tax won’t do: it allows American corporations to be much more competitive here and abroad (since they won’t pay taxes and they won’t have to plan around taxes), and it will cause foreign corporations to come here and set up headquarters here to do business. Another big thing that it will do is make America the largest tax haven in the world (read: our stock and bond markets will go up!), and anyone who comes here to purchase items at the retail level will pay taxes (these taxes include social security, so it helps to fund SS as well).

    If we get to keep our whole paycheck, and the cost of goods stays about the same as it is now, after the Fair Tax, and we get the rebate on the necessities of life (up to the poverty level), I don’t see how that isn’t a win-win for everyone. Imagine getting to keep your whole paycheck!

    And for all the enviro wackos, think of all the trees that will be saved by not having all of the IRS forms and regulations!

  • unclefred

    many of the basic tenets of libertarianism resonate with me. So I have a fondness for many things that Ron Paul has to say. However, we do not live in a fantasy land.

    He tells us that “Iran has no air force to attack us”. while they are working to build missile sites in south america that can reach our southern states. Missile which they would like to put nuclear warheads on if they can build them

    He might be right that eventually free trade and open boarders will produce freedom for all. The downside is how many people will die at the hand of despots, or crazies with WMD. In the modern world, you can’t wait to be attacked, or ignore madmen. He was formed in a simpler time, a time before a dozen weapons could devastate a nation. While I would love for him to be given a role to restore a strong monetary policy, he is utterly unequipped for the presidency.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Without regard to it’s merit (or lack thereof), it won’t be happening. A minimum of two Constitutional Amendments, a dramatic rework of the tax system – and any rework this dramatic will have incredible unintended consequences, the “prebate” is just another license to steal for the Left. In addition, the guys who came up with the initial numbers for the “embedded tax” have since done more work and indicated that they’re nowhere near close.

    Bad, bad, bad idea. Fortunately it won’t be dead-on-arrival, it will never arrive.

  • unclefred

    I will probably die of old age before a Republican wins California. Virginia is with in the margin of error, which means the difference is meaningless. I realize that Perry has issues. I realize that Romney has issues. However, I have seen Romney snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and he loves to tell anyone what they want to hear.

    Perry may not be my first choice, but I’ll take someone who isn’t afraid to take on the tough issues before a squish any day

  • silentcal2012

    Its a national primary, not a redstate primary. CA possesses 1/5 of the delegates needed to win the nomination. And Romney isnt even from the West Coast. He still has his NE base, MI and Mormon Belt.

  • silentcal2012

    Like I stated upthread. Its not a redstate primary. CA is the most important state. I sure hope Perry fans dont care about it. CA represents 1/5 of the nomination delegates.

  • iidvbii

    Texas is a pretty big state too bub…and guess whose leading that poll??

  • silentcal2012

    Big Whoop. New England nearly has as many delegates as TX. California is neutral.

  • minister_of_war

    … Let Rubio first prove his worth in the US Senate, then maybe we should talk to him. I still prefer Governors for Presidents & VPs. Jindal would be a good choice. He said before that he wouldn’t do it, but he endorsed Perry early & if Perry wins & comes a knockin….

  • minister_of_war

    … I’ve never seen such a pro-illegal alien answer from a Republican ever. George W. & Jeb Bush should finally be proud of Perry.

    I like Perry. I don’t mind Romney. I can’t stand Ron Paul or Hunstman. But Perry’s position on illegal immigration is almost a deal breaker for me.

    Here in Arizona, we led the way with SB 1070. Perry badmouthed it & I let it go. Perry opposed the border fence & I let it go. But Perry sounded almost like he didn’t think that a person could even be an illegal alien during his horrid answers to immigration questions this past Monday night. That’s why everybody in the debate auditorium audience was booing so loudly & everybody at home probably was too.

    I agree with Erick that illegal immigration is Perry’s Achilles’ heel, but Perry was worse than I even imagined he could possibly be regarding illegal immigration on Monday night. Perry’s only redeeming factor on this issue Monday was that Jon Huntsman was also so pathetic on this issue.

  • minister_of_war

    nt.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    We get a new troll wandering in here making a complete ass of himself and effectively promoting the reelection of Obama and you’re worried about his feelings. Heh.

    If you think pointing out the reality of life in the world is bullying, oh well.

  • minister_of_war

    … After hearing about how Rollins equivocated on supporting Bachmann, I was very interested in seeing the interview. I was personally let down because out of a morbid sense of enjoyment, it’s kind of interesting to see people turn on their masters. I really don’t think that happened in this interview. Other that generating more hot air & spit than usual from Matthews, this interview really didn’t amount to anything groundbreaking. So, I’d tell anyone who hasn’t seen it to move right along.

  • minister_of_war

    n/t

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    The 2010 election demonstrated that with “moderates” Meg Whitman and “Carly Fiorina” going down to inglorious defeats – against Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer no less!

    In fact, a preference by CA voters for Romney over Perry is about as helpful to Romney as Jimmy Carter’s expressed preference yesterday for Romney.

  • onemovoter

    while it’s tied up in the courts? I actually agree with the concept of the law at first but then started looking into the levels of law between state and federal. There are some murky areas there, however states are actually limited and that’s why SB1070 was born.

    I have also posted a lot of the info I have found on the illegal student tuition issue at RS. Reading what you posted shows me you haven’t done the research quite a few of us here at RS have done.

    One point – Perry didn’t badmouth SB1070, he just said that it wasn’t something that Texas would take up, that Arizona had it’s own way of handling the issue and was fine with that. That is his signature 10th amendment states right issue and what the federal government should be doing.

    Second, I’d like to see you try to build a fence all the way down the Rio Grande. along private lands. You are in fantasy land saying it could be done. Boots on the ground with drones work much better.

    The problem that a majority of those in the audience is that they are just as ignorant of the truth of the situation in Texas or any border state and the federal government. I’m sure they don’t know that the border states can’t even deport illegals, can’t even jail them for extended periods if they haven’t committed a crime in the state. Many others here will say the same thing as me.

    Perry is right though, you can’t fix the other problems of illegal immigration until you secure the border, and he knows how to do that quickly and effectively. I back him on how he would too.

  • iidvbii

    Do you think Romney will? Honestly now, not a defensive answer but an honest one. Can Romney win it in the primary and turn it red in the general??
    I’ll bet you don’t ….

  • jkines

    By the time the California primary comes to pass, the issue of the nomination will already have been decided. If Perry holds his lead in early primary states, momentum from those will propel him the nomination. Don’t even take my word for it, do a little research on candidates with delegate leads on or after Super Tuesday who proceeded to be overtaken in the delegate count. Can you name even one candidate who did so? An honest answer to that question will end this debate once and for all.

  • jkines

    that he has to be trolling. There is simply neither theoretical nor factual basis for a Republican carrying California in 2012

  • powertothepeople

    such language. Will the peanut gallery not come to some kids rescue?

    Thanks for shooting straight MBecker. Not only is it refreshing to see the truth told to idiots who are intent on giving Obama another 4 years, your posts have been quite entertaining over these last few years.

    Now, sitting back with “burning ears” in order to watch the self appointed word police and wanna be site mods rush in to tell you how bad your language is. Oh wait, they only come at me………..lucky me.

    By the way Mbecker, do you not love how people make their crybaby comments all in the topic line in hopes a real mod will rush in and “put you in your place?”

  • audax

    Once upon a time?I was a big supporter of Rick Santorum primarily because he was a stalwart warrior in the fight against abortion and Planned Parenthood aka Margaret Sanger?s ?Negro Project?. Then in 2004 something happened that allowed me to see into the future of Rick Santorum and his adherence to ?Conservative Principles? and that was his abandonment of the true Conservative-noun in the PA primary for US Senate in favor of a known RINO, Snarlin? Arlen Specter! This opinion was confirmed in 2010 when on Bill Bennets radio show Santorum threw Joe Miller under the bus and said he didn?t have a chance in his quest to defeat another known RINO, in the Alaska Senate race.

    Conservative-nouns should not be satisfied with candidates who will throw over their alleged Conservative Principles at the first sign of Statist or RINO pushback against real Conservative-noun candidates! We have much better choices than Rick Santorum. Choices who have NOT made politically expediant decisions that effect elections for true Conservatives.

    Then there is Santorums support for the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill. On the 06/06 Mark Levin Show starting at 1:39:27:

    Mark Levin: ?Now is there anything that you voted for, or maybe one or two things that you voted for that you think your opponents will attack, or the left will attack, or that you regret??

    Rick Santorum:??uhhh..well..the left will attack I don?t know?but I as..I..as far as what..what..my political opponents on the right will attack is that I voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill and..you know I said at the time..I gave speeches at the time this was the hardest vote I have ever had to cast because..you know there its..uhhh..one of those things..were you know there are a couple of things in this bill that are really bad??

  • audax

    To be eligible for a “Winner Take All” primary, election must be later than 1 April. This year CA has a February 7th Primary. So those 1/5 of all the delegates will be split in Tampa. Also, highly doubt CA has 1/5 the delegates to the GOP Nominating Convention. Delegates are apportioned by how strong the GOP is and did in the last Presidential Election vis-svis the GOP Nominee. CA wasn’t carried by McCain but Texas was. Your “worries” are unfounded, especially this early in the nominating process.

  • gekster

    I see you’r trying to be funny now.

  • The_Gadfly

    Bing!

    Romney is the quintessential modern businessman: he’s all about the deal that increases his income/street cred, The art of the deal. And the quintessential modern businessman does that by a combination of hiding his true beliefs and shifting his public perceptions so as to never seem to be out of step with the “common perception.” Not the kind of person we need in office at all.

    Granted there are some business leaders who don’t fall into that category, but they are rather more rare than they ought to be.

  • The_Gadfly

    safely add DC telecommuter hordes. The inside the beltway outfit I use to work for (which is technically just outside the beltway) has a satellite office there.

  • The_Gadfly

    and so are most Republican primary voters. Not a chance in Hades I pick Romney over him. Given an either/or choice between Romney and Nor Luap, I’d reach for a glass of strychnine while I thought it over.

  • The_Gadfly

    particularly in the northern VA area (which you can read as DC in Virginia). It’s not so much the border crossing as that once they tend to accumulate here after the border has been crossed. The rich need their off the books housekeepers and day laborers cheap to keep their money. Also, in those same very tony neighborhoods they pride themselves on their superior public schools and they don’t want the illegals pulling them down. Not that they’ll admit to their racism mind you, that’s strictly reserved for us Republicans who think a nation should control its borders, set the rules for acquiring citizenship, and that you ought to be able to differentiate between citizens and guests for welfare purposes.

  • The_Gadfly

    I would say the problem for VA is similar to PA: if you count by land mass the state is overwhelmingly red, but when you count by population, the limited land mass blue areas have such a heavy population concentration that the state is empirically purple. What may be different for VA this year is that even in the blue chunk, there are enough people who are sufficiently concerned with their long term well being that they may vote Republican: you can’t get money from your federal job if there aren’t enough working people left to pay the taxes.

  • The_Gadfly

    It seems even the NYT has written off the McGinniss book as a petty, vindictive hack job that wasn’t worth the money they spent reviewing it.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    He interrupts everyone, all of the time. He is the rudest a-hole on TV.

    Even if he was not a brain dead ultra left winger, I would not want to watch any of his interviews for that reason. If I were talking to him I would not be able to resist reaching over the table and slapping him after the fifth or sixth interruption.

  • silentcal2012

    Romeney will never be as popular as he was when he announced in 2008. Everyone knows RomneyCare. Yawn.

    How many people know about the Golden Boy’s admiration of HillaryCare, Gardisal, and his crazy support for a bi-national welfare program that would send taxpayer money to Mexican in Mexico.

    …. in due time.

  • silentcal2012

    Its a primary. Why do you think TX will vote Obama if Romney is the nominee. Romney is leading Perry in the CA primary. Its a huge deal. Why doe you keep jumping to the general.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Good. The more anti-vaccination whack-a-doos like you attack Perry, the more that Americans not suffering from mental illness will support him.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I find it interesting that you have an animosity to Mexicans, not just to illegal aliens from Mexico.

  • Scope

    or ignored a fact post entered by porkandcheese over at the Perry pro-life diary. Would you care to comment on this post by him-

    ?Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents ? including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found. Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats.?
    - Boston Globe 7/25/2005

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    John McCain, who I would note, conservatives of all stripes had NO use for. Certainly Perry has some warts. Gardisal isn’t one of them and neither is the cross border health care plan he’s promoted. You’re obviously ignorant about – among a litany of things – illegal immigration and the issues that face the various states in the southwest.

    Let me just point out that Perry was savvy enough to kill the Gardisal program prior to it’s implementation, no girls were vaccinated and the cost to Texas taxpayers was zero. He’s also admitted it was a mistake.

    Romney is still hacking for RomneyCare. It has cost the people of MA billions and is widely recognized as a disaster. Even so, Romney still thinks it’s a great program.

    Perry’s far from the candidate I’d like to see us nominate, but that candidate doesn’t exist in real life either. Romney is nothing more than a big government Republican. He’ll work hard to make existing government more efficient but he won’t put a dent in any existing program and government will continue to grow both in it’s cost and in it’s regulatory reach.

  • Scope

    It’s one thing to post facts and details and then disagree with them, but, for minister of war to just throw lies and innuendo out there hoping it would stick is very Bachmannish. We all know how that is working out for her.

    I’ve also noticed that the minister is a passive/aggressive poster where Perry is concerned.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    wrong headed. The parts of the law that have been tied up in court since it was passed are nothing more than a list of the standard operating procedures that most police agencies were using under the radar. SB1070 effectively added a lawyer into the backseat of every police car in the state.

    It has worked to “scare” about 30%+ of the illegals out of Arizona to more “friendly” climes and that’s a good thing, but it’s still bad law and doesn’t really address the most effective way to attack the problem.

    I’ve written on this at length and I’m not going to rehash all of it, but the two things that need to be done to make any state (or the country) a really hostile place for illegals without having to deal with the “racism” element are simple, relatively easy to enforce and very effective.

    1. Every employer is required to have an eVerify form in the personnel file of every employee. Simply an extension of the current I9 form. If an employee is found to be an illegal and there is no eV, the employer is hit with a $10,000 (minimum) fine and a class 6 felony that cannot be pled down to a misdemeanor. An eV form is a positive defense for an illegal employee.

    2. Same rules for rental housing.

    It’s important that the fines are very large and the felony stays a felony. I don’t particularly care if the employer spends a day in jail. In Arizona, a felony will bar you from holding a business license, a liquor license and a contractors license.

    Go after the employers and the property managers. I don’t much care if the illegals get arrested or ever spend a day in jail. They’ll be gone on the second day of the law.

  • carolynr

    Again…we are back to my previous post…EVIDENCE. Where is Giuliani’s strong suit…TOUGH ON CRIME…cleaned up NYC. He’s a good match with Perry and also could possibly pick up NY…especially after the 9th district upset.

  • carolynr

    The MSM has been extremely unkind to Herman Cain. Herman was the head of the Kansas City Federal Reserve…the press would rather refer to him as the Pizza King. Does anyone on this board have a doubt that Herman would be FAR BETTER THAN TAX CHEAT GEITHNER??????????????

  • silentcal2012

    Oh, that’s likely voters

    Double oh, Romney leads Obama by 3 in same poll.

    That’s a 10 point difference.

    Romney wipes Obama out. Perry loses.

  • gekster

    And on a side note, Jimmy Carter just endorsed Romney.
    I wonder why that is.
    Is Romney that liberal that the second liberalist President in history endorses him.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Romney doesn’t lead Obama by 3 in the same poll.

    Romney leads Obama by 3 in the poll taken Sept 10-11. Rasmussen hasn’t polled Romney against Obama since the debate on the 12th.

    Those dates on the far right side in the chart are there for a reason.

  • Kyle-MI

    The only meaningful numbers in those polls are Obama’s. He is under 50% matched up to either Romney or Perry. Any incumbent under 50% is in trouble. The rest of the poll is about name recognition and familiarity with the candidates. People know Obama and he had less than half support. People know Romney more than they know Perry.

    Finally, there is the Buckley rule, vote for the most conservative candidate that can win. Even if Perry only wins by 1%, he is more conservative. (Assume undecided break against the incumbent, especially is he is under 50%.)

  • Aaron Gardner

    I suppose I will have to make an informed guess at some point.

  • snowshooze

    Really? Got a link?
    That is too much.
    Romney needs to take that endorsement and run…away

  • gekster

    He does stretch things to,
    uh,
    let me see,
    change the narative to his liking.
    I think he should waste his bandwidth to build up Romney,
    insted of dissing Perry.

  • eburkedisciple

    I’m sure he is pandering to Hispanics with he current evasive talk but more than pandering he has demonstrated his is not the leadership we need on immigration. This is a critical issue! And Perry gets a D- on it.

  • gekster

    And as the Govemor of Texas, exactly what could Perry do w/r to illegles.

    And the Texas Dream Act was proposed and passed by the Texas legislature
    with out any no votes.
    Perry went with the legislature and signed the bill.

  • westcoastpatriette

    in her race for governor in Cali was she totally waffled on her stance on illegal immigration and infuriated a lot of the base that had been supporting her. If Perry could come close to winning Cali, he would have to toughen up his positions on that one issue.

    Californians consistently poll 60-65% in favor of tough enforcement against illegals.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Bad calcuation on her part. She thought she needed the Hispanic vote more than she needed the (massive) anti-illegal immigration vote.

    I knew she was toast when she dissed at SB1070 and started putting up campiagn signs in Spanish which said completely different things about her immigration stance than she was saying in English.

  • iidvbii

    I never claimed Texas would vote for obama under any circumstances… I could run my wifes Yorkie and it is guaranteed to carry Texas. I asked if you believed switch pitch Mitt would carry his home state? That was the question. I pointed out Perry will carry his in both, the primary and the general. I asked if you honestly beleived the same with your boy, thats all. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I have said it before and I will say it again. My pick is Perry, I truly beleive he is the best person in the race. As a Texan I have had the opportunity to witness Perry over a number of years and I am completely comfortable with him as my CEO.
    Come election day (General) I will, let me repeat. I WILL support the GOP candidate even if it isnt my first pick.

  • pttx333

    Larry Bailey writing for American Thinker, dated 9/17/11, gives some in-depth information regardng Ron Paul’s supporters – it isn’t pretty. The man really, really needs to just go away.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ron_pauls_poisonous_partisans.html

  • forlinianslip

    Perry can deliver Texas, but maybe not the midwest.
    Romney can’t deliver Massachusetts or the northeast.

    Santorum can deliver both Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan, and perhaps the rest of the midwest.

    Santorum just won the PA Straw Poll with 36% compared with Romney’s 25% and Perry’s abysmal 18%., with no one else breaking double digits. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63730.html

    Note also that it’s not about national polling, but about winning Iowa, NH, and SC where Santorum will doing reasonably well. Key support and endorsements continue to come in from these states: http://lancastercountyscgop.com/2011/09/17/rep-deborah-long-sc-house-45-endorses-rick-santorum/

    So, let’s treat Santorum