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Get Ready: Conservatives Are About to Support the Federal Takeover of Schools

After Mitt Romney attacked Rick Perry for joining Milton Friedman in calling social security a “ponzi scheme”, conservative intellectuals in the DC-NY corridor suddenly began treating Friedman as John Maynard Keynes’ bastard love child with Karl Marx and rejecting all calls to reform social security because Rick Perry dared to call it a ponzi scheme.

Considering the behavior of conservative intellectuals in Washington and New York on that issue, get ready for them to support a federal take over of elementary and secondary schools because Mitt Romney today came out in favor of Barack Obama’s Race to the Top and Arne Duncan’s education reforms.

This is more than a subtle dig at Rick Perry.

Perry rejected Race to the Top (“RTTT”) funding claiming it would amount to a federal incursion into education standards in Texas and possibly lead to a federal take over of schools that underperform on RTTT standards, which had not actually even been set at the time Perry rejected funding.

Considering Texas is among the nation’s leaders in standards, I imagine whatever federal standards are eventually agreed upon will be weaker than the ones we have now.

Adding injury to insult, the price tag to change all our text books and instructional materials to comply with Washington’s vision for public education would be about $3 billion.

In return, Texas could expect to get back from Race To The Top as little as $75 a student, barely enough to fund our state’s educational system for two days.

So turning down the strings-attached stimulus money was an easy call — in terms of ensuring our children get the best education possible and in simple matters of dollars and cents.

A few days after I made that announcement, the president said he wanted another $1.35 billion in borrowed dollars to expand RTTT so he could sidestep states and appeal directly to individual school districts that might be willing to sign away their authority in return for a quick infusion of some federal cash.

In recent days, that led Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, who Romney says “has done some good things,” to attack Perry and Texas’s education record. That led to a rebuke of Duncan by Robert Scott, head of the Texas Education Agency. Rodger Jones at the Dallas Morning News says the rebuke of Duncan is justified. Duncan, in a politically motivated attack on Perry, said Texas schools have “really struggled” under Perry. But the Dallas Morning News went so far as to call Duncan’s statement “a lie.”

TEA Commissioner Robert Scott emailed Duncan a sharp response last night (keep reading for text), and I’m glad he did.

The tipoff that Duncan doesn’t care about facts was his statement about “massive increases in class size in Texas” during Rick Perry’s time in the governor’s office.

Does that sound right to you — considering the fact that the 22-1 class-size cap has been in place that whole time for primary grades?

I checked TEA records on statewide class size averages. Primary grades held steady, of course, while most secondary class averages went down during the Perry years.

Examples: Secondary math classes averaged 20.3 students in 2000-01 and dropped to 18.5 by last year. Average size of secondary English/language arts classes fell from 20.2 students in 2000-01 to 17.8 by last year.

Anybody could look this stuff up. It’s right there on the TEA website. Duncan surely has a few thousand employees who could help him find it.

Even Time Magazine had to issue a corrective on Arne Duncan’s statement. As Time’s Andrew J. Rotherham pointed out, Texas schools outpace the Chicago schools Arne Duncan had once overseen.

Ross Douthat at the New York Times pointed out that “When a 2009 McKinsey study contrasted Perry’s home state to the similarly sized and situated California, it found that Texas students were ‘one to two years of learning ahead of California students of the same age, even though Texas has less income per capita and spends less per pupil than California.’”

But Romney is cool with RTTT and Arne Duncan. And I find it impossible to believe his mentioning Duncan this week is not tied to Duncan’s lies about Texas.

Romney’s own record on education doesn’t leave one with a good feeling. He supported No Child Left Behind. According to an August 31, 2006, Associated Press report,

Massachusetts has not been impacted by the federal No Child Left Behind law because it was testing public school students before it was enacted, Gov. Mitt Romney said Thursday, but he supports it because such measurement is necessary to improve schools.

Then there’s his 2002 gubernatorial bid in which Romney came out opposed to school vouchers after aggressively supporting them in his 1994 campaign against Teddy Kennedy. In fact, though Romney supported No Child Left Behind and now seemingly supports Race to the Top, in 2002 he said vouchers “are not a good idea for Massachusetts.”

By 2007, Romney had moved on to supporting Charer Schools.

“On education, Romney boasted of student performance on federal testing on English and math, growth of charter schools, state funded college scholarships and approval of a ballot initiative that ended bilingual education.” (Todd Dvorak, “Romney Touts Conservative Views In Waterloo,” The Associated Press, 1/26/07)

But there was a hitch. As Governor of Massachusetts he refused to ever meet with the head of the Massachusetts Charter School Association.

. “Even his local supporters are cringing. Few issues are as important as school choice but Marc Kenen, head of the Massachusetts Charter School Association, wasn’t able to get a single meeting with the governor in four years. ‘We never had an opportunity to sit down with him, we never had a one-on-one conversation,’ Kenen said. ‘He wasn’t the most accessible guy.’” (Brett Arends, Op-Ed, “Mitt Shoots Holes In His Credibility,” The Boston Herald, 4/11/07)

In other words, Mitt Romney is on the record supporting No Child Left Behind and Arne Duncan’s reforms geared toward discrediting Texas, but he would not support school choice and while he said he’d support charter schools he’d never meet with charter schools leaders.

What the hell does Mitt Romney believe in other than saying or doing anything right now to hurt Team Perry, including tacking to the left? But hey! At least in 1994 Mitt Romney supported the elimination of the U.S. Department of Education. Like Obama though, I suspect this statement of his comes with an expiration date tied to what he now considers electability as a moderate.

COMMENTS

  • swami7774

    We’re going to end up with a nominee who is fiscally conservative but moderate on health care(Romney) or fiscally conservative who’s moderate(to say the least) on immigration (Perry).

    Either way we’ll have a nominee we can all find fault with.

  • Ausonius

    And Mitt Romney is proving more and more that he is a typical East Coast Republican, that he is NOT a Conservative, but is the RINO that many have feared him to be.

    What has happened to gutting the Department of Edumbcation?

  • Spartan4Life

    I absolutely,100%, I’ll eay my hat if I’m wrong guarantee you that an expanded role by the Federal Government into K-12 Education is a political loser. If Romney wants to run on that I say, let him.

    Just like if Barack Obama thinks running on tax increases is a winner he is crazy. I have two words for him. Walter Mondale.

  • swami7774

    As much as you, I and most conservatives would like it, the Dept. of Ed. is not going to be gutted.
    The most we can hope for is to see it die slowly of a thousand (budget) cuts. Wither on the vine, if you will.
    Too many people think that a “department of education” is automatically a good thing, and would recoil at the thought of eliminating it.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I think both of these men, or for that matter Bachmann as well, would be sufficiently fiscally conservative. But would they FIGHT the left.

    Would they really fight and fight hard for repeal of Obamacare for instance?

    I have severe doubts about Romney in that respect, but only a few doubts about Perry. Perry has been very combative of the federal government as a state governor, and fought hard against liberals here in Texas.

    Of course that is no guarantee that he would still have the same instincts as a president.

    Romney had to deal with liberals in his own state to be sure, but my impression is that he fought them by mostly going along and compromising with them.

    That is logical if you have a weak hand to play, but not logical if you are President and have at least one house in your favor.

  • http://www.WILLisms.com WILLisms

    Romney is horrible. I am done with pretending this joker is possibly acceptable. Calling Perry “Governor Sub-Zero” today was a total joke. Texas has added more jobs in the past two months than Massachusetts added in four years under Romney: http://www.rickperry.org/news/rick-perry-texas-added-more-private-sector-jobs-in-two-months-than-mitt-romney-massachusetts-in-four-years/

    And in Suskind’s new book, confirmation that Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare. Horrible. Just horrible. O’Romneycare. isn’t fiscal conservatism.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    If we get a good leader as president, and control of both houses, but this time with a strong tea party contingent. Then there might be all sorts of real change happening.

    That, and the fact that we are bankrupt might cause quite a bit of things previously unthinkable to become thinkable.

    Did I mention that we are broke?

  • earlgrey

    school choice plays well everywhere (except maybe WI ;) )

    If I were Perry I would jump all over this. Even libs in CA are not happy with their school system.

  • wonkish1

    Promise.

    Walker’s going after teacher Tenure next.

  • earlgrey

    face (figuratively). Taking the Obama position in a Republican debate seems like a really bad idea, but then I am not in politics.

  • irishgirl

    Kyle above put it. Who would really fight? The answer is becoming more and more clear. Romney seems to go along to get along, but Perry has been railing back against the feds pretty consistently. Check out his record per the EPA (sorry, don’t have a link).

  • earlgrey

    Of course I wish he didn’t love me back with fundraising letters.

    In 4-5 years we are going to have some great conservative leaders, but right now — bumpkis.

  • gator_hoo

    Seriously, what indications are there that Romney is anything better than a moderate on immigration? His record as governor wasn’t strong on the issue.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/was-mitt-romney-honest-about-his-immigration-record/

  • beach91

    I cannot support his liberal-lite policies at all. I do not think he would have any backbone as others have previously posted. Romney care is an absolute mess and now this! I did not like Romney n 2008 and now even more so. Perry has some kinks but I think he has what it takes and will be the nominee. After the last 2 debates and even with Bachman going after him with a knife, he is still the one to beat as of now. I hope it stays that way!

  • miconservative

    If Arne Duncan and Obama are so great then why do we need Romney? Perry just needs to lambaste this guy in the debate. Romney tacking to the left to win the Republican nomination? That is a first. Time for Perry to unleash. Will be interesting to see if any of the supposed conservatives on the stage join him.

  • Ausonius

    Courage among so-called conservative Republicans has been lacking.

    Actual Conservatives have not been in a position to bleed leftism into the grave.

    IF…IF America sends a clear message that it no longer wants a nanny state, that it can – and wants to – live without being rock-a-byed every day by government, perhaps the Wobblies will firm up and start to pare down, gut, and eliminate as much of the past 80 years as possible.

    Without a clear message, it will be business as usual: the nanny state will grow, and if leftists continue to be a force, expect some drastic solution to be offered when national bankruptcy hits, like repudiation of all debt and nationalization of corporations.

    And we know how a RINO will “compromise” with such a “solution”!

  • spinoneone

    is a good thing only if you are looking for Federal funding of local education. Do not forget that one always has to pay the piper, in this case, the “giver”, with control of your child’s education, because that is the way of things.

    Do you think it is a good idea to [fill in the blank]? Most of those “good ideas” are the same “it makes me feel good to know we can do these things because they make the town/planet/galaxy a better place” that have worked to slowly destroy this nation with debt and PC nonsense.

  • runner12

    primaries. What is he thinking? Doesn’t he know that the hatred for NCLB runs deep not only among conservatives, but among teachers as well?
    Yet Mittens wants to add another federal boondoggle to the public school system.

    Just wait, once he finds out how deeply unpopular this is he will flip-flop on it.

  • spinoneone

    doesn’t exist because one simply can’t be all things to all people. I wand a smaller government, fiscal conservative willing to stand up the the liberal nonsense. I want a strong, pro-American and not pro-Arab/socialist/totalitarian foreign policy. Social issues are a far distant fourth or fifth. Mitt Romney is light years from that template.

  • septembergurl

    cannot be trusted on a range of issues because of his opportunism and dishonesty..

    More generally, the question I have is:

    Why is it that when Democraps take over the Presidency they immediately step up their long-term project of gutting our military? They all do it — Carter, Clinton, Obama — no matter how many wars they start or CIC photo ops they enjoy. They are constantly pursuing a real hollowing out of our military, cutting funding, terminating programs, closing bases, ruining morale, eg DADT repeal and trying to bring back the draft,. Now we will have huge defense cuts when the deficit reduction committee weighs in. They know they will eventually lose the WH but they try to do as much damage as they can while in power.

    And why, by contrast, do conservatives/Republicans absolutely fail to do anything on our project of diminishing the power of the Federal Government
    by gutting, hollowing out, agencies and departments?

    From day one of being sworn in, the Cabinet Secretaries and department heads should be working to decrease their funding, to fire people, to terminate programs, sell off assets, turn responsibilities and funding back to the states. Does that happen? Of course not. They spend their time empire-building, expanding their responsibilities and funding, hiring more people and on and no.

    Dept of Education is a prime example. What is the difference between Margaret Spellings and Arne Duncan? Both educrats, neither interested in devolution to the states.

    In my opinion the Dept of Education should have as its only responsibility collecting and disseminating statistics on education at all levels in the US, period. If we can’t get rid of it then it should be downgraded to a bureau or agency and staffed and funded accordingly.

    There are at least a few candidates in the current field who would be willing to look at this and related issues (not Mittens of course). I hope the question is asked.

  • Ausonius

    Let’s face it: Dis-education, especially in History, has produced at least 2 generations of political illiterates.

    When leftists and/or morons control the schools, we can expect nothing other than continual voting for a leftist status quo…even when empirical evidence stares the voter in the face. People ignorant of History and unable to deduce simple solutions will continue to vote illogically (e.g. if you have no more money, then can you keep on spending? Answers: Yes, No, What do you mean I have no more money?)

    e.g. California in the last election returned nearly every incumbent responsible for its ongoing run off the cliff. Why? As “Spinoneone” wrote above, the urge to feel good about making society safe and satisfied overcomes the logic that freedom is lost, when one desires Life to be fair and safe… IN EVERY ASPECT!

    In some cases a person will realize that his ignorance needs to be corrected, and will self-educate himself, and perhaps become a real Conservative. Or they can continue to collect the welfare check and keep surfing the web for hamster videos.

    Which group is larger?

  • carolina

    Romney is just another ESTABLISHMENT pick. He’s BIG govt political elite all the way.
    I pray Perry crushes him (and BO).

  • carolina

    Romney is just another ESTABLISHMENT pick. He’s BIG govt political elite all the way.
    I pray Perry crushes him (and BO).

  • squeek71

    I actually do not support Romney or Perry, though I will vote for the republican candidate. Herman Cain is conservative across the board, and he is definitely willing to fight the dems on big govt. I wish people would understand that just because the media has decided that there are only two candidates in the race, that doesn’t make it true. Rudy and Fred were the top two at this time in the 2008 election. Neither of them ended up being our candidate. I really hope people will support the candidate they like instead of buying into the media’s electability scam. I will also say that Herman doesn’t match up too badly against Obama according the most recent Rasmussen and Zogby match-up polls (down 7 in Rasmussen and down 2 in Zogby)… And Herman only has a 50% name ID at this point.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    there seems to be something unseemly about a man who wants to be president so bad. It is hard to put your finger on it but I just get the feeling that he is driven more by the ambition than any real accomplishments he wants to make.

    It is the difference between a real mandate or platform for change and a laundry list of popular issues.

  • Tbone

    I’m thinking he started life as a wart on John McCain’s butt.

  • Scope

    some interesting info about Romney’s positions on immigration at on the issues

    I’m not sure how many know just how much he has flipped and flopped depending on the direction of the wind, and on so many issues.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    But I think that’s a coin toss.

    The unions already wasted tens of millions on state senate recalls and wound up kissing their sister. I can’t believe OFA and its ilk will wizz away more time and money with Walker recall if Barack Hoover Obama continues to need every dollar they can raise.

  • Scope

    Perry’s new ad calling Obama President Zero? So now Romney is attacking Perry for going after Obama? Every time you think this creep can’t go any lower, he manages to prove you wrong.

  • Scope

    other Republicans on the debate stage very any real gusto because he is trying to have a positive campaign, and stay above the attack dogs. I hope tomorrow night he brings his cowboy hat and cattle.

  • dajeeps

    I didn’t know there were such, at least along the coast. At any rate I didn’t see them identified in the OP. I suppose I don’t have much to fear anyway because I’m a classical liberal, and I certainly wouldn’t be endorsing Federal take over of anything.

    At any rate, Friedman has gotten a real bad rap lately, they’ve even tossed monetarism under the bus as well.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There are conservatives in New York. most importantly all of the neoconservatives originally come from there. The Buckley-elite/catholic/intellectual conservatives were also mostly based from there.

    Of course they had little influence actually in NY but a lot of influence nationaly.

    As for poor Milton. yes he is taking it on the chin, but that’s ok. these bozo’s don’t have the intellect to win an argument with a computer programed to respond with Milton Friedman quotes.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    someone ought to program a computer with quotes from conservative intellectuals and let it respond to certain key words.

    Then enter a liberal into debate with the computer and let people here it without knowing which was the computer.

    I wager the computer would win almost all of the time.

  • windwaker24

    Something conservatives need to consider. If the Supreme Court does indeed take up Obamacare next term and rule in 2012, who do you trust to handle the aftermath, whatever it may be: Perry or Romney.
    I have a feeling they are not going to strike down the WHOLE law if they find the mandate unconstitutional. Who do you trust to fix the vacuum it’s going to create: “Tort Reform, States Rights” Perry or “Obamacare-inspiring, Reach-across-the-aisle” Romney. Think about it…

  • windwaker24

    That’s one helpful link! Thanks!

  • izoneguy

    Romney is just a “righter” form of Obama

  • windwaker24

    because he feels that conservatives will vote for him no matter what, based on the notion that he alone can beat Obama. He has nothing to fear from them. I wish consevatives would fight this fool and stop with this electability nonsense. If he wins the nomination, Obama is going to tear…him…up! The guy has no conservative foundation whatsoever. He’ll fold like a cheap suit.

  • earlgrey

    nt.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    (read more Ayn Rand and Thomas Sowell). What we need are individuals with wisdom and real-world experience. Intellectuals are the ones who got us in this mess, and Milton Friedman was a wise and educated man, not an intellectual.

    Think of it this way:
    Intellect is what tells you that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is what tells you not to put it in fruit salad.

  • AceInTX

    those who would support the Federal takeover of schools are not “conservative”. Mitt Romney is not “conservative”, (unless he needs to act conservative to get votes, money or support) and every time he drops trow and exposes his leftists tendencies I have to wonder if those who would support him despite all of the above are “conservative”

  • windwaker24

    On Hannity, Perry just hinted at Romney being Obama-lite! Made me chuckle!

  • lastgopinillinois

    You get less $$$ out of every federal beurocracy than what you put into it because it costs $$$ to run a federal agency, who in turn burdens you with red tape, restrictions and requirements. It makes more sense for the States and local communities to keep their own money to run their own programs. You get more bang for your buck and get to choose your own path. The States are each a laboratory of experimentation. As a bonus, the State governors and local govt’s talk to each other and compare notes, allowing for even more innovation. No two States are exactly alike, so a one-size-fits-all approach is inherently inefficient.
    It takes about 40 seconds to say all that. Could be refined and turned into a 30 second answer to a question about any federal agency.
    Maybe it could be a 30 second TV campaign ad.

  • aesthete

    Some months ago, you mentioned that you liked Rick Perry based on his record, and on how he operated as Lt Gov. From what I understand, the Lt Gov has more control over and input in the budget than the Gov, including appointing half of the committee which gets to write the budget. Would you consider writing a diary on how that works, on Perry’s record in office, and what you generally found to be the high points and the low points? You seemed pretty informed on TX politics, and I’d like to see where I can expect to find Perry’s weak/strong points. Thanks in advance.

  • Michael Dugas

    How Can Anyone Consider Romney a Fiscal Conservative is beyond me.
    Would a fiscal conservative create, CREATE, Romneycare? Would a fiscal conservative toss school choice under the bus after claiming to support it? Would a fiscal conservative support No Child Left a Dime?
    And finally, how is it possible that while Democrats have engaged in systematically dumbing down and destroying any semblance of quality in the American Education system, a Republican can verbally support Democrat education policy and still have the gall to use the word conservative any where close to his name?
    Some one Please show me where Mitt Romney has consistently made fiscally conservative choices? He SPEAKS a fiscally conservative mantra but he ACTS like a fiscal liberal.

  • KBDay

    One thing conservatives can do is remind people the country came a very long way without a federal education dept. The dept. was basically a gift to a SC governor. I know that for a fact.

    Another is to gauge what that federal dept. costs local school districts. In one Utah district, the feds mandated the hiring of hundreds more ESL teachers at great cost to the district, and that’s a small example of the millions we spend to satisfy bureaucratic edicts. The dept. is a money pit–one example is the $30 million earmark Obama gave to the dept. for a writing program. Insane–isn’t school supposed to teach kids to write?

    Rubio touched on this during his well-fought campaign. The dept. can be downsized in a noninvasive way with graduated overall budget cuts and attrition–an employee retires, he is not replaced. Management can be consolidated, reducing human resource costs which are a significant driver of our future debt. That’s the crisis no one talks about–how we will cover all the benefits promised to federal workers.

    Perry makes me think of Rubio in more ways than one, but a major connection is the fact Rubio had to battle the status quo Republicans–those too afraid to rock anyone’s boat. I witnessed that firsthand.

    I still have anger towards some of these people because they nearly tanked the party that comes closest to my views on most issues. Perry isn’t just competing with his fellow candidates; he is competing with the old guard GOP.

    I will get mean email for this I am sure, but I am going to say it. I do not believe Romney can beat Obama. I do not believe there is a sharp enough contrast between the two. I also believe Romney will not fight those Sen. DeMint calls the “appropriators” in the US Senate and it is critical to address that challenge.

    On the social security issue, only a fool would complain at being told the truth and Perry’s warnings are a truth that can be verified in reports posted at the General Accountability Office and the Social Security Administration. Few are aware of the controversy surrounding the enactment of social security; fewer still realize there is no guarantee you will get back what you put in.

    The SSA no longer mails out statements, allegedly because they couldn’t afford to. The reality: the government is not about to guarantee benefits they know they can’t deliver for younger workers.

    On immigration, I don’t see Perry as a moderate. I see him as a realist. The Texas tuition discount does not compare to the federal DREAM act–I know because I researched that extensively when I was directly pressured by select Republicans to help get support for its passage. I refused and some are still angry with me over that.

    Perry dealt with a state issue in the best way he could for Texas and the Legislature’s ‘ayes’ were nearly a unanimous vote.

    Furthermore, Perry has advocated boots on the ground and he got the feds to pay for National Guard troops on the border. In my opinion he is correct about “strategic fencing” and the use of technology as well. Perry’s score on border protection from the very conservative Numbers USA is ‘excellent.’ He did not score as well on some aspects (nor did quite a few other candidates) because he has not clearly defined policy (on some issues like ending the visa lottery). As president he would have a different set of criteria than he would as governor.

    Aside from all that, Perry in my opinion energizes people more than any other GOP candidate.

  • wonkish1

    Is they have nobody to run against him if they did try to recall him.

    The super liberal Tammy Baldwin is tied up in the Senate race and wont win. If Kind runs for anything its going to be the Senate.

    The Dems have nobody left with any name recognition to challenge Walker with.

  • AceInTX

    I know the Lt Gov plays a bigger role when it comes to the legislature and implimenting policy, and as such weilds a lot of power….but it is the Gov who sets the ttone, it is his policies that are generally forwarded.

    I have my issues with Perry and have always said the HPV was an issue for me as well as the Trans Texas Corridor. And I definitely don’t like his stance on Immigration in a lot of ways…but where he get’s my support is in his unapologetic stand on issues…

    the man has sand…you will never have to guess what he really believes…he’s going to take his positions…tell you why he is taking them…and then he’s going to tell you if you don’t like it…tough.

    That’s more than can be said of the pretender from Mass….He changes skins so easily it gives me the creeps. It would be easier to name the few issues Mitt Romney has stood firm on than to list all the issues he’s taken first one side and then the other….and the list isn’t much shorter if one pairs that list down to where he has ended up re-stating his first position again after flip flopping the first time.

    Romney isn’t a leader, he’s a weather vein

  • wonkish1

    But I can tell you for sure that his personal views would be defined as a fiscal conservative. They are actually quite typical of a right leaning Econ professor or a typical Wall Streeter. They are technically to the right of W. though not by much.

    **The real problem though is whether or not he is willing to through away his personal economic views in the name of political expediency.** He’s done it before in Massachusetts, the question is whether he would do it again in the oval office. I don’t have an answer for you on that.

  • davesinsanantonio

    candidate will allow it to die, and which will try to find ways to CPR it?

    Just askin’!

  • davesinsanantonio

    the actual race and taking the “attack dog” role on principles of conservatism and constitutionality. Then the viable candidates can articulate their positive positions on actual issues. Perry trying to stay above the fray is the right tack in many cases. But, there needs to be those attack dogs to get down and dirty with those who would destroy this country if they could. Also, Newt can be good at explaining who economics and limited government really work, when he stops trying to blow his own horn.
    Let’s hear it for the attack dogs!!! But, don’t make them the candidate, because most voters are tired of the mud.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Sometimes even proofreading doesn’t catch everything.

  • davesinsanantonio

    really is that is when he proposed a “civilian” corps that was just as big, and “just as well trained and equipped” as the military. They would become his Gestapo to make sure the rest of us were kept in line, and then he would gradually de-fund and shrink the real military.
    If what you propose is all the DoE would be doing, they should be folded into the Dept. of Commerce, saving a whole lot of upper echelon salaries. Other departments could/should be treated the same way. The government would shrink a lot with realignment as elimination of duplication. Then we could shrink it a lot more by eliminating the unnecessary!

    P.S. The only truthful thing Obummer ever said? “I would not make a very good commander-in-chief”!

  • davesinsanantonio

    for too long is that we will end up with Mittens. We should support him if he is the nominee, but I will have to hold my nose to do it. We have had way too many of that kind of nominee in the past. So, we should support whomever until close to actual caucuses and primaries, but then vote for the most conservative person still in the running. Splitting the conservative vote will give us a nose-holder, and no guarantee of Obummer’s ouster. The Indys will not vote for the Dimocrat lite. In order to win, we must run a conservative who will stand on principle and fight for principle. Mittens does not seem to fit the bill. Nobody is perfect, but we have to insure that the most reliably conservative person is our nominee and then turn the attack dogs loose on the lies and mistakes and criminal usurpations of the Lefties.

  • davesinsanantonio

    of that word, But, he was not “just” an intellectual.

    In addition, many of those who claim to be, or who others claim they are, intellectuals are not really, because they seldom use their “intellect” instead of their talking points book.

    Spiro Agnew had it pegged when he referred to them as “effete snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals”. Unfortunately, the press insisted in shortening it, and thereby screwing it up, to “effete intellectual snobs”, because they were not “intellectuals” but merely characterized themselves as such. Kinda like Obummer???

  • ohiohistorian

    and then tell me again that both Perry and Romney are fiscal conservatives. Romney is George W. Bush on steroids. At least Perry hasn’t spent his state into a hole with PerryCare. Can Romney say the same?

    Anybody who calls Romney a fiscal conservative should order a dictionary and look up both words. Romney is many things, but conservative is NOT what he has EVER been.

    As far as immigration goes, I am willing to listen to Perry, but will put a conservative Representative in there (and I hope a Senator) to block this nonsense on amnesty.

  • ag8tor

    naming more than 5 true conservative Republicans. Can anyone help me? If you look at the stage during the debates who of that group is truly a Conservative? I say no more than 2-3 of these so-called candidates. I am tired of going to the polls and holding my nose to vote for the lesser of two evils. I am in need of a candidate I can truly support. That would be an actual conservative. This is why I consider myself an independant because the Republicans will not fight. One would think after the McCain “Reach across the aisle” debacle that they would learn that these “O” Dems are not interested in compromise. To that point I say “Screw’em”! We need a president and a congress that is more concerned about doing the job they were elected to instead of getting re-elected.

  • ag8tor

    need to be the first to go after a Republican win. We have had these Departments now for 30-40 years and look at what we’ve gotten. our level of Eduacation has declined and we are up to our ears in EPA regulations that have effectively brought our energy production to a halt. These two agencies need to be the first ones in the crosshairs.

  • ihateliberals

    I have been a Conservative Republican all my life and i know many conservatives and i don’t know any that would approve of this. Perry and Romney are the absolute worse choices for a GOP nominee since John McCain. these early debates and the media have apparently chosen our candidates for the Primaries.

    I have not missed a vote in 45 years but this might be the first time i sit one out. With these choices it won’t make very much difference who wins the election. It’s like do you want to shoot yourself in the left foot or the right foot, either way it is going to hurt. So far the Elitist Republican Establishment and the media are choosing our candidates for us. We the American people haven’t had a chance to go to the polls yet. i don’t like these early debates. The polls as published by the media don’t seem to be entirely accurate. Even where the polls indicate that two front runners others are actually winning the straw polls. I hope that the real conservatives won’t drop out of the race yet. I hope that the Iowa primaries throw the front runners out to pasture and a real conservative wins. If not then we are doomed.

  • supergirl2911

    but there are some differences between 2008 and now. First the republican will run against Obama rather than Bush’s record and popularity. Second, the msm And fox talked about guiliani not campaigning or competing in iowa and thompson not having staff or organization. This is from memory, but it seems like those were the talking points. I may have started paying attention later that year, but for the record supported Thompson, and in the end got on board to support McCain.

  • superrooter

    that we can look over before the debate tonight? I couldn’t find a list as extensive as Romney’s. Romney is in most conservative circles considered an “Establishment Conservative” code name: (RINO) but he still doesn’t smell as bad as the socialist in DC now. thanks for LMK

  • carolynr

    When Perry came out last night and said that Romney was Obama Lite…because he was not talking about the other candidates…he was right. I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE PERRY ANNOUNCED…GET ROMNEY OUT OF THIS…LOOK AT THE DOW TODAY. ROMNEY IS SPEND…SPEND…SPEND…SPEND…TAKE AWAY FREEDOMS…WE’RE IN THE GOP SOCIALISM CLUB.

    I for one, will not go to the polls and hold my nose for Romney…we will have the same old crap with Romney as Obama…so it does not matter…this time I will stand on principle NOT FOR THE GOP.

  • powertothepeople

    with the constant annoying use of caps lock, is that you are willing to screw the country by taking your ball home if your guy does not win, right? I mean of course we all know Romney would be as bad of a president as Obama who has made it his daily goal to destroy this country.

    Do you realize how stupid you sound?

  • teacher35

    Perry supported IB and that’s even worse — that’s the UN takeover of the schools. Anyone who thinks Perry is a ‘good conservative’ just hasn’t read his extensive record.

    Bad on immigration, (bi-national health ins with Mexico, open borders VFox, and tuition for illegals) bad on economy, bad on education, bad on TSA abuse, bad bad bad man backed by the same people who gave us Clinton, Bush, Obama.

    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/

    http://www.insideriowa.com/index.cfm?nodeID=17818&audienceID=1&action=display&newsID=14393

    http://liberalrickperry.wordpress.com/

    http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2011/06/23/rick-perry/

    This guy has a rap sheet long as my arm and FOX news is covering up for him as badly as MSNBC covered up for Obama.

    Please people WAKE UP. Romney = bad, Perry = WORSE.

  • teacher35

    He can’t really attack because he has such a bad record himself… it does NOT match his current rhetoric.

  • teacher35

    Perry is indeed ‘Obama light’.

    Just look at the way he hesitates when answering — he’s a lightweight — and I wonder how many conservatives can be so fooled. Are they just watching FOX who anointed him?

    Obama is going down thats why Perry was put in by the same elitists who control Obama. Perry was vetted in 2007 but wasn’t needed then. He has so much personal baggage they can control him and he may end up being a HUGE EMBARRASSMENT to the GOP.

    Perry has done so much damage to Texas, just ask the Texas tea party!

    I agree that So far the Elitist Republican Establishment and the media are choosing our candidates for us.

    IF Perry or Romney is the nominee I am not voting.

  • teacher35

    Perry would be the John Edwards of the right… and the death of the Republican party for years.

  • Michael

    http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

  • superrooter

    did actually help to temporarily block Bohener and other Rino’s on the budget vote yesterday. Guess Establishment GOP’ers are slowly finding out what real backbone and real conservative values are…, hope they wake up and understand that even there fake conservative views have a shelf life.

  • superrooter

    Perry doesn’t go around sticking his dick into everything that moves or has (D) in front of there name. He is fiscally conservative and to this point you are starting too sound like any other TROLL

  • superrooter

    We have all seen this one already posted here back on 8-17-11. Please help find and post a link that shows any & all accomplishments or failures as a whole list of Perry’s political past.

  • hmmathis

    trying to be Obama-light, flip-flopping his way thorough the campaign.

  • superrooter

    I already printed this link when it was post after (The Gathering) loved it , but I am trying too find more on Perry’s long term positions for our next Tea Party SHHHH>meeting, thanks

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    One part of the “Elitist Republican Establishment” that we can change is the Republican Party itself. In the end, each of us only has our own vote to cast, but by getting inside the Party itself, as a member of it (as opposed to just being a registered Republican), you can then “force multiply” your impact.

    First, by becoming a voting member of the Party (called precinct committeeman in most states — each state has its own laws and terminology and each party has its own bylaws and rules) you are eligible to vote for the party leadership. For example, here in Arizona, as an elected Republican precinct committeeman, one can vote for one’s local legislative district party officers and county officers.

    Also, by becoming an elected precinct committeeman, now one can also run for these party officer positions.

    And the requirements for becoming a “voting member” of the Party are not difficult. For example, here in Arizona, by statute, each precinct elects their precinct committeemen, and each precinct gets one precinct committeeman for every 125 registered voters of the party residing in the precinct, or majority thereof. My precinct, for example, has 8 precinct committeeman slots. All 8 slots are filled. To get on the Republican precinct committeeman ballot in the primary election, one needs to get no more than 10 signatures of registered Republicans or “Party Not Declared” (independents) and fill out an affidavit that one lives in the precinct. That’s it. Those who get the most votes in the primary election become the precinct committeemen.

    Here’s the “good” news, at least in terms of getting involved: on average, all across the country, in every locale, about half of these slots are empty. Here in AZ, for example, about half of the PC slots are still vacant (over two-thirds were vacant in 2008, when I first got elected) and over a third of the precincts have NO precinct committeeman.

    Do the math: if, currently, the Party seems to be split about 50-50 between conservatives and “moderates,” and half of the slots are vacant, if conservatives were to rush into the Party and fill up all the vacant PC slots, that ratio would go to about 75-25 in favor of conservatives.

    Once you become a voting member of the Party, you then also have a shot to become a delegate to your state Party committee. That provides you with a vote on the three RNC delegates: your state Party chairman and your state’s two other RNC delegates.

    In AZ, each legislative district gets to be represented by one state delegate for every three elected precinct committeemen in the district. That’s an incentive to get more elected precinct committeemen in one’s district. My legislative district had about 37 state committeeman slots to fill. We conservative PCs were able to get 24 of those slots filled with confirmed conservatives. Another LD, No. 6 in Deer Valley, had 69 state committeeman slots to fill and filled all of them with conservatives. Similar things happened in other districts because most of the new PCs across the state are conservatives from the grass roots conservative organizations — a fertile recruiting ground. And the result has been that we’ve got far more conservatives now in leadership positions at the legislative district, county and state levels, including a new, conservative state chairman.

    Here’s a short summary of what I call The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy.

    To the extent we have sat on the sidelines of the real ball game of politics, party politics, we have ceded the ball field to the “Elitist Republican Establishment.” “We the people” can change it.

    In addition to electing the Party leaders, voting members of the Party can also, assuming the committee’s bylaws allow for it, also vote to endorse candidates in the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. I’ve seen the power of this first-hand. In 2010, the Maricopa County Republican Committee voted to endorse Bill Montgomery in the primary race for county attorney (what we call the district attorney) over a well-known RINO who had been appointed by the County Board when the county attorney left the position to run for the Attorney General position. To endorse, the county committee, per its bylaws, had to have 60 per cent of the members approve the endorsement. That happened. From then on, every time Bill spoke to a crowd of Republicans, and in every written communication, he could tout himself as having the endorsement of the County’s Republican Committee. In the primary, he ended up cruising to victory with over 60 per cent of the vote.

    Simply put, the Republican Party is not “conservative enough” for some conservatives because not enough conservatives are “in” the Party; that is, inside it in the precinct-level voting slots — the precinct committeeman slots. Fill up all the vacancies with conservatives, and we have a “more conservative” Party and greater chances of electing conservatives to all the officer positions, all the way up to the RNC levels.

    Party politics is a pure numbers game. Certainly we have enough conservatives in this country to fill up the approximately 200,000 currently vacant voting member slots of the Republican Party. Will that happen? I hope and pray so.

    Staying home is what the “Elitist Republican Establishment” wants you to do. They like the Party just fine the way it is. As do the incumbents. If the status quo remains, they enjoy an historical 97% reelection rate in the primary. Change the make up of the Party at the precinct level, and you can change the outcome of the primary election vote. As Bob Bennett learned in Utah in 2010, as I wrote about here.

    The “Elistis Republican Establishment” and the incumbents will not advertise these vacancies. The Party will not, in most cases, seek you out. You have to seek it out. I suggest just finding when and where your local Party committee meets and then attend a meeting. You’ll probably be surprised by what you find.

    If you are not already involved inside the Party, I hope you’ll consider doing so. Plus, it’s fun!

    As one conservative has said, we conservative Americans need to unite by getting involved in electoral politics where we live. By that, I think she was trying to say to Republicans: get involved in your local Party committee to the maximum extent possible.

    Thank you,

    ColdWarrior

  • superrooter

    I read the whole post and I can attest to the fact that; you are absolutely right and every time I talk too anyone who has already decided their vote before election day, I will explain it just as you posted. thanks

  • http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme

    For those who cannot tell, I am sarcastic!

    Even if I have to hold my nose, I’m still voting!

  • powertothepeople

    Please for the sake of your own pride and to keep anyone who knows you from being embarrassed to admit they know you, stop posting such moronic nonsense.

    The reality of this election is very simple. We have to beat Obama and other than Ron Paul, any of the men and women on the republican ticket would he many times better than Obama.

    But from reading your idiotic comment, I must assume you are either a Paultard or a Palin Shriner. Only two groups of people who would make such a stupid comment.

  • glolar

    of the ObamaCare bill? I thought I remember hearing that because the Dims rushed to get it rammed thru (had to settle for the Senate version), that there was not yet a severability clause, meaning that if part of the bill was deemed unconstitutional or void, that the whole bill had to be void.

    Hope someone can explain this better than me.

  • rightwingmom52

    Please remember that many of us encourage young people to read redstate, and while I appreciate the sentiment, I can do without the colorful language.

    Just speaking as a mom.

  • JSobieski

    The absence of a severability clause doesn’t mean that a court won’t imply one.

    Severability is a long standing doctrine of constitutional interpretation based on a conservative judifical philosophy—laws duly enacted should only be declared unconstitutional to the extent that is is necessary to do so.

    The resulting logical incoherence may result in Obamacare falling together, but that will have to do with logical incoherence, NOT the absence of severability clause.

  • windwaker24

    I noticed I forgot the “r” in “conservatives” in the 3rd sentence of my post and I’m a proofreader for a living! Embarrassing… :)

  • windwaker24

    I’m so stealing that line! May I?

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    how effective it can be.

    I wrote up an account, along with some video, about how, in AZ, we were able to achieve great conservative results inside the Party:

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/01/24/mission-accomplished-new-conservative-precinct-committeemen-elect-conservative-republican-leaders-including-the-state-chairman/

    Thereafter, with Ron Robinson’s great help, RightOnline invited five of us Redstaters, from five different states, to present a break-out session at the RightOnline conference in Mpls. on June 17 about our experiences with The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy, which I captured on video and Ron then posted here at Redstate.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • edintexas

    Since Romney is Dear Leader lite and Perry is abhorrent to you, whom are you supporting? Let’s have more of the positives of your candidate and fewer “factual” allegations like “…bad, bad, bad man…” or “Perry = Elmer Gantry”.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    who rails against intellectuals. His point is that if all someone has ever produced is ideas, stay away from him/her. People with callouses on their hands are the problem solvers of our society, and not a one of them considers himself an “intellectual.”

  • AceInTX

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