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BREAKING NEWS: PALIN SUPPORTERS CLAIM SHE NEVER SAID IT OR MEANT IT OR SOMETHING

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  September 30th, 2011 at 03:00 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

There is movement within the cult. They are mad as hell at us for pointing out Governor Palin set this as her own drop dead date.

Palin supporters want us to know that despite Sarah Palin saying that she’d decide by the end of September and despite Sarah Palin fan sites at the beginning of the month saying she’d announce by the end of the month, it wasn’t actually Palin talking in “voice of God” talk, but rather a non-binding advisory opinion. On the same day she said September was a “drop dead date” she told David Brody it could be October.

This must be like when the Pope says something, but doesn’t require that all Catholics go along with it and the Pope himself can change his mind.

Nonetheless, we’ll still keep chronicling P-Day.

Today is the day according to her, not according to her fans. And yes, she has said the “media” is not going to set a “drop date” for her, but she set this one. In fact, you can hear Sarah Palin on tape talking about the deadline here. Go to 2:42 on this

Palin says, “”I have said that that August to September time line is important for a number of reasons.”

I believe it is Jake Tapper in the blue shirt who then asks her “So by next month?” which would be September.

Her response?

“I think that practically speaking that would have to be it, that drop dead date. Also, in fairness to supporters who are standing on the sidelines, this is what I’ve told Todd over and over again, I don’t want to be perceived as stringing people along.”

“Drop dead date” was her turn of phrase.

Hasn’t happened yet. Suck it up people.

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  • Darin_H

    My comment is that I’m still debating on whether to comment more.

  • gekster

    Alex, I’ll take media savaged political personalities who bring it on themseves for 400.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Aside from appearing somewhat juvenile, this “Palin-watch” meme today is becoming tiresome.

    Is no one paying attention? Yes, Mrs. Palin said that today, “practically speaking” is the deadline. But look at the actions — her Facebook and Twitter posts have gone cold. She’s made numerous positive comments about both Perry and Cain. She’s made no travel arrangements and made no “leaks” to the press about an impending announcement.

    Get over it — she’s not running, and she’s made that pretty clear for the past month. I had more money on Christie getting in than I did Sarah Palin, so why is this is a shock?

    And if it’s not a shock (and it shouldn’t be to anyone), why the Palin-baiting? Are we trying to marginalize Sarah Palin and her supporters as we’ve done with Ron Paul devotees? Do we not need ALL of them in the tent at the end of the day?

    Does Sarah look silly for all this? Yes, but only if you’ve ignored everything she’s said — and NOT done — in the past 30 to 60 days.

    Enough Erick. This is not helpful. If she doesn’t get in, it’s wasted energy. If she does get it, it’s fodder for the left (as if they needed more).

    Move on.

  • MikeG (Icythus)

    Do you know where your candidate is?

  • znelson32

    I am so sick and tired of her. She’s an idiot – she’s as stupid as the liberals paint her to be. I’m sick of seeing her stupid face on every commentary show sitting up there spouting nonsense like she knows what she’s talking about. And this whole game she’s playing about announcing is rediculous – PISS OFF SARAH PALIN – YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

  • In The Hook

    I guess that’s the rationale. I’m all for marginalizing Palin provided that we don’t also marginalize her supporters to the point where they stay home next November. I doubt that happens and if it does then they’re not really passionate conservatives, they’re just devotees to a cult of personality.

  • tjpeco

    …but nobody is there to hear it….????

  • http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

    This is now longer a candidate trying to make a big splash at the last minute.This has now become now different than any other woman that has kept me in the dark on a decision and just teased me that she might do what I am hoping.

    So, I will do what I normally do until she makes a decision:

    Drink daily until she decides !

    (sarcasm intended.)

  • gohogs

    I got it from a good source.

  • NeoKong

    For what reason I do not know.
    It was sort of amusing the first seven times but now it’s just getting weird.
    Apparently Palin has made a time line statement that EE has chosen to flog her supporters with unmercifully.
    The man seems a little angry.
    The guy is spamming his own site.

    It’s a good thing that EE is infallable or some people could bring up some of the things he has said in the past.

    What is EE going to do when we have a candidate to go against Obama who is not Palin….?

    “Oh…ah…sorry I called you guys losers and ridiculed you relentlessly but could you now contribute some money to this guy or that guy and please support our RedState gathering…?”

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Palin was one of the few national GOP political figures not bowing and scraping toward some doomed compromise with Obama after the election.

    Can’t name too many in the Republican leadership who would be overheard saying Obama should should fail, can you?

    Sarah Palin set the table for November, 2010.

    The GOP would have been satisfied with Crist and Mike Castle, and Mitch McConnell backed Rand Paul’s opponent in the primary and could not get his pal Lisa Murkowski elected as a Republican.

    I can’t wait for the GOP tastemakers to whine about Mrs. Wasilla Non Grata not endorsing the correct candidate, or not endorsing them soon enough.

  • In The Hook

    Palin has exactly zero chance of ever winning the GOP nomination. Ever.

  • azaeroprof

    Maybe this will help keep Erick’ mind off Palin for the day…

  • rightwingmom52

    Not supporting Palin or not agreeing with her on issues is one thing, but this kind of comment adds no value of any kind.

  • JSobieski

    is contrary to the goals of RedState and the otherwise impeccable record of Erick. In the future he will look back on today and regret the childishness of these hourly updates. I totally understand why he is doing it, but that is precisely why I don’t run a website.

    We need Palin’s supporters to stay on board. One frequent criticism of her die hard supporters is the over reliance on emotion over reason. Well, retorts like these updates are going to do nothing except hurt people’s feelings.

    Totally unnecessary and unwise. I predict that Erick will apologize within the week. This kind of behavior is beneath him

  • gekster

    Elabotate, please.

  • In The Hook

    But calling Erick’s record “impeccable” is pretty laughable too. As I wrote on another thread, do we all forget how Romney was the real conservative and we needed to not let the establishment pick McCain for us and rally around the former Mass. guv? And in recent weeks Erick has just POUNDED Romney over and over again with either direct attacks or Perry shills.

  • waxmanlaw

    Palin said it in enough of a hypothetical way to have an expiration date. I think she miscalculated the timing of Florida’s decision. The date of the Florida Primary can throw the whole nomination process into disarray. My guess is she thoght Florida would not wait to the last minute and then be non controversial.

    I think it is wise for her to wait until the Florida issue is clear. Although she may wait unitl she misses those early primaries, including Florida, and she comes in very late to show the injustice of the current system. The Iowa Caucus is almost meanignless because the delegates are chosen at the Iowa State Convention which is in mid June. By that time the nomination is a wrap and the Iowa delegates goes to the national winner not the caucus winner.

  • porkandcheese

    What was McCain thinking when he picked her?

  • ruexperienced

    Was that before or after she called him a Crony Capitalist?

    And why did she have to call Cain the “flavor of the week”?

    Doesn’t she have manners?

    Is she ignorant of the impact of one Republican saying nasty things about another Republican?

    Other examples:

    Palin: Barbara Bush and the Bush family are a bunch of Blue Bloods

    Palin: Rick Santorum is a knuckle dragging Neanderthal

    Palin: Republican Congressman (AK) Ramras is a “big nose” who “I need to keep away from my teen age daughters”

    Palin: Newt Gingrich is “an egotistical, narrowminded machine goon.”

  • azaeroprof

    I guess Erick wants to trade those “irrational Palin fans” for more comments like that!

  • Bill S

    (No sarcasm intended… ;-) )

  • ruexperienced

    ,

  • tyman

    McLame probably chose someone that he didn’t think would upstage him, and that wouldn’t add any negatives.

    Little did he know!

    I know that the last 2 1/2 years have been tough…Lord knows I know that…but conservatives are really on the cusp of something HUGE! If we can capitalize on it with a real conservative.

    So much to say, so little time.

    How do I apply to be a speechwriter for Rick Perry?

  • freentn

    .

  • In The Hook

    To wonder how the heck you react. Did the electorate tack left? Do we need to follow suit lest we be relegated to a rump party? That’s what people were thinking about in the wake of Obama’s big win in 2008. After some soul searching we decided that what we needed was A) a recommitment to true conservatism and B) time, quite frankly. Bush and the economy had destroyed our chances to be relevant in any way in 2008 and 2009. But time heals all in the political world, especially when the party that gets a huge win fumbles everything away. So I can’t blame people for questioning the party’s direction after ’08 just as Obama allegedly did some soul searching after his “shellacking” in ’10 but then decided to say “screw it, I’ll go further left.”

    As for Crist, he was going down no matter what as Rubio is really just that talented. He didn’t get any help from Palin. And Castle? Dude I’d take him in a heartbeat over Coons. Same with Norton over Bennet in Colorado, Lowden over Reid in Nevada. And this time around I’ll gladly take Shays over anybody the left throws out there in CT just like I want Brown and not Warren in Mass.

  • gohogs

    I heard it from a friend ,who heard it from a friend, who heard it from another that she is runninzg. She has a secret strategy.

  • NeoKong

    Because she has some die hard fans who are not ready to give up the ghost on her that it is OK to tease them and mock them in the most insulting way possible…?

    If Palin does not run then so what?
    Do we really want to discuss some of the losers we have seen promoted on theses pages that were ah….a little shaky… to be polite ?

    The person who is selected is going to need her support and the support of her fans to win.
    They will need all of our support.
    That is of course if you think or EE thinks they are not needed because Obama will be such a pushover ?

    I do not see how driving people away or making them angry helps the GOP or our cause.
    It is divisive.

    So oooohh…..Sarah Palin has drawn out a campaign decision to the end of our patience.
    Gee….never seen that happen before.

    Beating a dead horse is one thing.
    Turning it into a mushy paste and flinging it is quite another.

  • gekster

    I didn’t see where in the Bible the mention of any code, let alone DeVincis’.
    If you believe that, then you are delusional.
    Oh, wait.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    who supported Crist and Castle and Trey Grayson and Lisa Murkowski.

    None of those people deserved to get elected only to sabotage conservatives.

    If left to them, there would be nothing like there was in 2010.

  • keven

    For someone who is supposed to like Sarah Palin, these multiple posts are bewildering. Especially since she said yesterday that she wasn’t going to announce in the next 24 hours. Why are you doing this?

    Was it wrong of her to say September if it wasn’t September? Yes. Would it be as wrong as promising your constituents that you would not run for President and then you change your mind? No.

    If she doesn’t run, then she is a teasing, attention hound, who strung her supporters along. Until she says no, she is a person planning to run for President who is kind of running already, who just hasn’t officially said yes yet, who made a small mistake mentioning September.

    Get over it.

  • acat

    I’m chalking znelson above up to part of the grieving process. I’m hoping it ends before election day, but .. so far, znelson seems stuck on angry.

    Not helpful, but .. understandable.

    IMO, Palin doesn’t need to announce who she’s endorsing, but she does need to cut loose the last of the faithful so they can work their own way through the process.

    Mew

  • acat

    Serious reply. Unless the friend you heard it from is named Todd, Bristol, Track, or Scout, and the friend they heard it from is named Sarah, I’m not buying it.

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    This is my last day for a while (see my comment on the 2:00 thread). I only jumped in to comment on these hourly “updates.” I may come back in a few months if the environment changes.

    As someone who detests felines, it’s safe to say that you’re my favorite “cat”! :)

  • aesthete

    I’m no great fan of Palin’s, but there’s something to be said for taking the high road. These posts are somewhat amusing, but do nothing to advance either conservative or Republican goals.

  • acat

    The point, and I believe EE has one, is that Palin’s supporters have an emotional relationship with her, not just an intellectual one. There’s some elements of a personality cult involved.

    That’s true of every candidate, I’m sure there are Daniels supporters who are still “in the tank” for him, but .. with Palin, it’s different. It’s going to take some time for them to work through the stages of grief, and by providing this service, EE is bashing them hard enough that they cannot choose to both remain at Red State and remain in a state of denial. “She’ll announce after {Iowa or New Hampshire or South Carolina}” will not play here.

    That’s a good thing, even though it’s painful to watch.

    Mew

  • lineholder

    so yeah, given gohogs repetitive use of “heard it from a friend”, they left themselves wide open.

    You and gekster need to get synchronized…gekster has an hourly Jeopardy song/trivia event happening today!

  • mort

    for more info. Iowa’s delegates are chosen in June.
    Are they required to vote for someone specific at the convention or are they free to cast a ballot for whoever they think will beat OB?
    Pennsylvania’s are elected by the rank and file in April (some might be appointed by the Gov as he is Republican I am not sure) and they are free to vote for whoever they wish at the convention.
    How do the other states do it?

  • keven

    So his point is to have anyone who still believes she is running to leave Red State? Is that what the point is?

  • gekster

    I was going to post the vid underneath that one, the one that is live.
    At the last minute, my wife called me to supper, and I blew it off.

    I would say great minds think alike,
    but I would have to get a mind first. ;)

  • acat

    You know this place gets silly this time of the election cycle, it’ll be just as bad – although about House, Senate and State-level elections – next year. ‘s a reason it’s called Silly Season.

    See ya after.

    Mew

  • acat

    I’ll just leave these to you.

    BTW, lunchtime for this cat. Smoked beef brisket from the BBQ place around the corner. The owner says it takes at least 16 hours to get the beef just right. He’s been making ‘cue longer than I’ve been breathing. Amazingly good stuff.

    Mew

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    n.t.

  • easyb

    I just shot Cherry Coke out my nose…in a good way.

    Thanks for the laugh!

  • gekster

    If it wasn’t meant for you to post, my wife wouldn’t have called when she did.
    I had just clicked on the vid I wanted, and was waiting for it to load.

    And my wife has a saying, if you don’t come when called, then you can starve.
    I believe her.

  • lineholder

    Now my stomach hurts from busting a gut laughing AND I’ve got that really ridiculous Jeopardy song streaming through my mind!!!

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    Acat, see my post above. Keven is exactly right. Why? Was it a slow news day? Did Erick wake up today and say “Today is the day I’ll piss off all the Palin supporters?”

    The rationale for this whole post, and thread is not one of “vetting” or helping the Palinistas (of which we were all a member not too long ago) get over themselves. It’s simply more Palin bashing that serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

    This whole process has been about trashing the other guy rather than beating Obama. That’s politics, I guess, and the “heat” of the kitchen will temper the sword — to completely mix and mangle metaphors Even Cain yesterday descended into the bashing of fellow Republicans, and who he could and couldn’t support (“today”).

    But now we’re trashing someone who isn’t even running? And poking a stick in the eye of all her followers, many of whom became involved in the political process and the conservative cause because of her?

    I have only one criteria for any candidate, commentator, or blogger, Erick included. I call it “The Ruler”, by which I will measure everything.

    “How does what you’re saying or doing, help defeat Barack Obama in the next election?”

    Bashing Palin fails that test. Bashing fellow Republicans fails that test. And if there’s dissatisfaction among the base with the current crop of candidates, it’s because they are ALL failing that test, since it’s been more about eating our own, than feasting on the banquet of mistakes, failures, statements, and polices of the Left.

  • waxmanlaw

    McCain came in fourth at the Caucus. In June at the state convention he won all the delegates to the national convention. They were not free to vote for whoever but were committed to McCain.

  • waxmanlaw

    I was kinda surprised that she gave Tapper the response she did. As way back in May I thought that October 21st is the real drop dead date. But as I mentioned before it all depends on the RNC and Florida

  • gohogs

    she can’t lose using the strategy that I heard she was going to unleash.

  • freentn

    >

  • gohogs

    It’s a two part strategy that will rob the one of some of his key voters.

  • acat

    have only one criteria for any candidate, commentator, or blogger, Erick included. I call it ?The Ruler?, by which I will measure everything.

    ?How does what you?re saying or doing, help defeat Barack Obama in the next election??

    Once again…

    1) If the remaining Palin supporters do not get from denial to acceptance by Christmas, they will be either writing her in or staying home during the primaries.

    a) The former increases the risk of Waffles Romney winning the nomination, and Waffles greatly reduces the attempts to roll back Obamacare.

    b) The latter affects down-ticket races. There’s a bit of overlap between Palin supporters and Tea Partiers, so I have to conclude that this also benefits non-Conservatives.

    2) If the remaining Palin supporters do not get from denial to acceptance by Halloween 2012, they will either be writing her in or staying home during the general election.

    a) The former leads to an increase of the likelyhood of four more years of a Dem in charge. Worse, if Obama retires as a one-termer, we could get a *competent* Dem.

    b) The latter wrecks the down-ticket races, blowing any chance of a repeat of the 2010 tidal wave, reducing Conservative representation in the House and in the States, and jeopardizes the GOP (and conservative) shot for control of the Senate.

    We need every conservative voter we can get. We need for the Palin supporters to move on* and be available to help support other Conservatives, not to be tilting after windmills.

    Mew

    * So far, I’ve liked Barbour, Daniels, and Pawlenty .. I’ve gotten over their departures and am now watching Cain and Perry.

  • mort

    and why and how?

  • mort

    McCain got the vote at the state convention and that bound the delegates. Is that right?

  • Jack_Savage

    There is a big difference between pointing out that today was her drop-dead date, and being a flaming a-hole about it. No wonder no one wants to run as a Republican – with friends like this, who in the hell needs enemies? Weak field? Really? Gee, I wonder why?

    There is no doubt in my mind that there are really good reasons Democrats win as many election as they do, despite being against every single thing that is dear to the heart of any normal, red-blooded American. Childish garbage like this, no matter who the candidate is, would be one of the main reasons.

    I really think I am going to vote for Obama in 2012 so I can make use of all my canned food, liquor for barter and ammunition. It’ll be a hoot – sort of like camping out. Until 2016.

    And to answer your question before I get called a treasonous Palinbot, if she had run or will run, I would not vote for her in the primary, even though I admire her greatly. I just think we need someone else at this particular time, and I would consider voting for her in the future – just not now.

  • westcoastpatriette

    that’s part of the problem. Until Palin makes clear what she is up to, they can’t start or complete the grieving process. Ya know?

  • gohogs

    She OS going to announce in a couple of weeks.then she will employ the first part of the strategy.She will announce that all the rumors are true.she will come out and admit that she is a transvestite that has never had an abortion. This will get her enough votes from the moderate squish crowd and the glbt/lgbt/tlbg/tblg crowd ito win the nomination.I know what your thinking,her followers wouln’t stand for it,lest you forgot her followers are cultists.They arnt going anywhere.Then comes the second part of the strategy.She secretly gets pregnant,not with todds baby,with tracks.She then waits for the middle of October.OCTOBER SURPRISE.She goes on geraldos show and has a partial birth abortion on live tv. This strategy robs Obama of the pro abortion/femanazi vote.It will put California into play,and make Nancy polosis seat winnable. Sarc/

  • azaeroprof

    If Erick’s intent here is to help Palin fans “get over” the fact that she didn’t announce today, then he couldn’t have picked a worse way to do it.

    If his goal was to purge RedState of Palin fans and send them scampering to other sites, then he’s a genius.

  • acat

    Read it again. I didn’t say it was to help them “get over” it, I said it’s to get them out of denial.

    Keep in mind, you are a statistical anomaly in the Palin camp, you’re willing to discuss her merits and warts rationally. Some of her supporters I’ve met just .. can’t. Palin comes up, logic gets jettisoned. It’s all emotion.

    How do you get through to that? Well.. this is one way. If they get mad enough…

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    But insulting Palin supporters and calling them “mental degenerates” (yes, see the 10PM post) only increases the likelihood of the 2 options you present in your post above.

    As far as getting through the emotion, I’m an engineer. I may not be the right person to ask. But I’m pretty emotional about Palin, and Reagan, and Goldwater, and my grandpa who is my political hero. The only suggestion I have, given that I am married to a very emotional person, is “you catch more flies with honey”.

    One thing I do know after 24 years of marriage, if my wife is very emotional about something, the LAST thing I want to do is to insult her!

  • acat

    The flies with honey thing, I mean.

    http://xkcd.com/357/

    As an engineer, I hope you don’t mind the correction.

    I agree that we’re going to lose some potential voters with this. I’m curious, though, what the alternative is.

    If Red State is openly hostile to Palin fanatics, we won’t hear the periodic “Palin’s going to announce after the primary in {State}” or “Palin’s going to be coronated at the convention”. I could *maybe* see getting in just before Florida .. if she had an organization ready to do GOTV *now*.

    If that were the case, though .. why wait?

    She’s done, ‘prof. I respect her dedication and the stands she’s taken. She’s got a gift for cutting to the bone on any issue, and she tried to rescue John McCain’s butt. At this point, I think what she’s doing to her supporters is cruel.

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    Now I can disregard the honey bit when I’m talking to my wife (ha!).

    She’s definitely not in a great position now, but we disagree on just how “done” she is. That’s fine, we don’t have to agree.

    I do wish she had announced one way or the other already….or soon. But speaking as a big supporter, I don’t feel the least bit mistreated by her. I assume she is not running unless she announces otherwise. And I really don’t care when that announcement comes. I am in no hurry to prematurely jump on anyone’s bandwagon. (That worked out real well for Erick & co on the Perry bandwagon, eh?) I’m perfectly content to see how things shake out, and see who else gets in (I think it’s very possible that 1 or more non-Palins jump into the fray soon). Arizona doesn’t vote until February anyway.

    And if Sarah doesn’t run, there will be no grieving process for me. She’s young and has plenty of time to rebuild her image and position herself for the future. (I only wish that she would hire me to help with that. If she’d of hired me right after she lost in ’08, she’d be in much better shape today! ;) ).

  • acat

    force the remaining campaigns to pursue her eventual endorsement, which would be front page news.

    As it is, I don’t see a value in letting it linger, and I see a lot of bitter divisive that could otherwise have been or still be avoided.

    As for Perry, I’m waiting and seeing if he rebounds. He’s iffy in debates, and if debates were all that, then we’d be voting for President McCain anyway, no?

    Mew

  • azaeroprof

    From Juan Williams. This is one of the more cogent arguments I’ve seen that explains her conduct vis-a-vis the September “deadline”. She may well be engaged in a giant game of chicken with Chris Christie.

    I don’t know if Juan is on the mark with this or not. But I will say that if Palin and Christie were to both jump in at this point, the entire narrative of the GOP nomination race changes and everything that’s happened to date is pretty much irrelevant (unless your name is Pawlenty!).

  • acat

    are not going to have a significant effect.

    Christie has long-term potential, but .. he’s ironically in the same spot Palin was in prior to the McCain campaign catapulting her into the spotlight.

    I don’t see either of ‘em doing anything but losing New Jersey.

    Mew

  • gekster

    I’m sure you’ll like it.

  • onemovoter

    at the 6pm eastern hour. I could only listen as I was off in the next room from the TV, but listening to the interview, Perry was on his A game again like he was on CNBC.

    Now if FNC would go back to being fair and balanced again, instead of being like PMSNBC, the candidates can have a fair hearing.

  • acat

    … which makes me think they don’t have all the kinks out of his spine yet.

    Still, it’s evidence that he *has* a spine, unlike Mitt “Waffles” Romney.

    Mew

  • acat

    Cat’s on Chicago time .. and has to work in the morning.

    Yes, I know tomorrow’s Saturday.

    Mew