I told you people she was not running

Doc Holliday

negatives way to high and her ground swell receded long ago. But I think the Palin bots have some serious competition with some of the Perry nuts we have here. This Californiagold chump takes the cake. So much anger, for so little reason.

http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

I’ve never seen the front page of Redstate used in this way, with repeated short posts bereft of any new comment or information.

Wouldn’t one post marking the passing of Palin’s self-imposed deadline have been sufficient and/or preferable? I mean, I know it’s your site Erick, but it’s an important site. I think what you’ve done here is unworthy and unnecessary.

Just my opinion.

kabane52

(I’m posting this on multiple posts because it needs to be said)

I?m quite tired of some of the whining about these posts. Let?s be very clear. Sarah Palin has ruined her image. She ruined it. I say this as a former Palin fan. A big Palin fan. I mean, Palin for President 2012 fan. I was with the 64% of Republicans who supported her for 2012 (the first Rasmussen poll on the 2012 nomination).

But let?s go back a bit. Let?s remember what exactly happened. When McCain picked Palin, we loved her. The blogosphere loved her. Rush loved her. The base all around loved her. The convention came, and she became very popular. Many people forget this now, but there were a couple weeks when America, as a whole, loved the woman. It was just the liberals who hated her.

Then came the Couric interview. We all knew she stumbled, but she?d come back. We had faith in her, her intelligence, and her conservative values. And she did, in part, in the vice presidential debate. We were very happy about that, and we loved her.

McCain then lost the election. Speculation about Palin soared. Rasmussen conducted a poll for the 2012 Republican nomination. Palin had 64% of Republicans behind her. Let?s not forget this. She was not always on the fringe, like she is now. Conservatives across the board loved her.

Then she resigned as Alaska Governor. This is when many of us began to have our first doubts. We loved her as a person, but we weren?t quite sure that she was our candidate for 2012 anymore. A political activist, definitely. A candidate? Maybe. We hoped she?d challenge Murkowski for Senate. But nope, Palin was content writing books and starring in a reality TV show. Nothing wrong with this, except that she quit being governor of Alaska to do this.

Now, her excuse for quitting may have been valid. Maybe she was so bogged down with legal challenges that she was unable to fulfill her duty. Fine. Then she should have run for Senate against Lisa Murkowski, who is a true RINO. But nope, she left that for Joe Miller to lose. Thanks. Then she endorsed Christine ?I?m not a witch? O?Donnell, who was a fringe perennial candidate and NOT an articulate leader in the conservative movement. This was the first time I thought something she did was unacceptable. She lost us that seat. Thanks, Sarah.

But I still had faith. Perhaps she could continue being politically relevant. Maybe not the presidency, but at least a star political commentator. A true conservative who represents the conservative, Tea Party movement. A leader in the movement. That was my hope.

But, as we discovered, Mrs. Palin chose to lead not the movement, but her own personality cult. She was ?considering? a run. Okay, good. I hoped that if she ran, she would have solid policies to run on, and be able to mount a serious presidential campaign based on issues. She was unpopular in general, but still popular with the base. If she won the nomination, she could overcome her unpopularity. So, I still had faith.

But time kept going by. People were announcing left and right. The campaign was progressing. Palin became less and less relevant as a political figure. And she saw it. This is where she began to seriously hemorrhage support within the movement. I was one of the supporters that she lost. Instead of buiilding up leaders within the movement, she chose to tear them down. A couple of examples from recent weeks- the bogus charge that Rick Perry engaged in ?crony capitalism.? and the stupid remark that Herman Cain was the ?flavor of the month.? These are two recent examples, but go back, and you?ll find these starting a few months ago.

Sorry, Mrs. Palin. You aren?t a candidate. It?s time for you to either help the movemnent forward or shut up. But she doesn?t want to. She got used to the popularity that she once had, and the personality cult that was built around her. Look, when she was first catapulted into national politics, I believe she was a humble lady who was truly honored to be granted this privilege. But now? Now she?s more like Obama, in thinking that this is her moment. This is her right. And anybody who challenges her is taking something from her.

She?s been stringing her supporters along this whole time. She needs to tell them to go support another candidate. Endorse Herman Cain or Rick Perry. Those are the two conservative candidates (Ronald Reagan supported freaking amnesty, so no nonsense about Perry her, please) in this race. If she wants to remain relevant, graciously endorse one of those and stop playing games with everybody in order to try to maintain your own cult. I?m tired of it. The movement is tired of it.

Mrs. Palin, you had a tremendous amount of political goodwill in this movement and in the Republican Party. You spoiled it. It?s your own fault, and Erick Erickson is absolutely justified in mocking you and pointing this out.

californiagold

Now you’ve dragged me into a thread that I wasn’t even interested in.

Anger ? Not me…you’re the guy who hates Rick Perry.

Adjoran

I think she is a bright, fresh, and eloquent Republican voice and would be a viable contender in the Presidential race – IF she had got in earlier.

It’s too late now for a serious challenge. Perry was only able to do it because of his huge existing national fundraising network. Even so, his missteps in Florida may be partially due to the fact he had to hire several old Crist hands for his state operation – there were no more experienced people left. This would be the killer for Palin now – she could get all the volunteers she needed, but the people to manage and direct them and raise the money to fund a national campaign just don’t grow on trees.

If it were only about Palin, though, I’d be angry about Friday’s demonstration. It is disrespectful. I also have been saying she would not run this cycle, and her Fox gig was evidence – they made Santorum and Newt get off the air as soon as they were serious and forced Huckabee into an early decision. They knew something about her plans we did not. But I always suspected she was just teasing the media who have so relentlessly tortured her and her family to serve their leftist goals, and the effect on her fans wasn’t considered.

But so many of her supporters have let their enthusiasm get the better of them on many conservative sites. Any hint that you don’t believe Sarah Palin could whip Chuck Norris with just one foot and her left pinky finger made you their sworn enemy. They became almost as annoying as Paulbots – although the Palin folks did at least observe good hygiene.

So I am thinking your Friday sequence was mainly to annoy those people back, rub it in their faces what many of them had been claiming all along. And if that indeed was its purpose, I have no problem with that.

But

Adjoran

He is interested in posts that taste good.

Sorry, Charlie.

trickamsterdam

many Palin supporters are unbelievably obnoxious and delusional…truly cult-like in their devotion (against all logic).

I mean, whatever you think about Romney, his supporters have a right to say he’s the most electable, because he keeps finishing the best in the polls. Palin people would just dismiss polls against all rational logic, and insist Palin was the most electable (even though 65% of people say they won’t vote for her under any circumstances, and 70% of Republicans don’t want her to get in the race).

Honestly, to me her fans are so much worse than her, and I think the author was making fun of them more than her. It’s so clear to most of us that she doesn’t have the slightest intention of running. They are like the husband that is the last to know his wife is/was cheating.

They also trash other candidates mercilessly, then cry like puppies when theirs is.

Btw – One thing you said, though…I know Delaware politics pretty well, and the common belief that Mike Castle was a shoe in, is wrong (IMO).

Delaware is a very, very blue state. I believe it has the third highest (by percentage) in African Americans, so Obama’s endorsement would have meant a lot, and it’s Biden’s seat so he could have campaigned for the D…it’s also so close to DC, the Pres and VP could have spent a lot of time there. That Democrat also ran an excellent campaign.

Castle had a better chance than O’ Donnell, obviously, but I think he had a better than 50% chance of losing. He also refused to endorse her, which tells me he could not be trusted…all that Delaware voters had given him, and he couldn’t respect their decision?

toothpick

…I’d suggest not doing this again. Speaking only for myself – I go to redstate’s front page for insightful commentary on the issues of the day. I scan every headline to learn what’s been posted. Today I found it cluttered with what seems to be evidence of your fixation with Sarah Palin. It seems like a variant of Palin Derangement Syndrome exhibited on both sides. One, maybe two posts would have been plenty. Hour by hour was overkill. Maybe it was done as satire, but I found the joke tiresome.

As I said, it’s your site, do whatever you like with it. Folks like me will go elsewhere for our conservative commentary if the quality of the postings stays the way it was today.

desertwanderer

You’ve teased this out as far as you can. Now bring it to an end. Stay in Alaska. Run for the Senate. Pass some good legislation. Rebuild your record and your credibility. Try for the POTUS in about 2020. I liked you in 2008 but your tease has become stale and tiring.

anjinconsulting

I had hoped she would jump in and shake things up. It could have been a great opportunity for her to re-engage her foes in the MSM simultaneously score some points for the conservative agenda.

Now its time for her to sit back and work for the team. And now is the time for Erick to let sleeping dogs lie.

babykaboomer

Not the best face I’ve seen put forward at this site.

keysconservative

What if Sarah Palin WAS going to announce on Saturday but turned to Red State beforehand? Upon reading the posts on the front page she decided to string you along like a puppet on a string. Maybe you got played by the greatest media puppeteer of our lifetime. Or maybe she doesn’t give a rat’s behind what anyone thinks and she’ll do what she wants when she wants. Sort of like a “Rogue”,

boonerdan

. . . the posts have been accurate. Sarah brought this on herself. I too was a huge Palin fan. That was until it became clear to me that she was more into the “celebrity” of being Sarah Palin rather than the substance that we all thought we saw in her. I have no issue with her making all of the money she can during her glimpse of fame. BUT, I have moved on, as have many others.

As for the Palin cult, try mentioning her on Twitter and see what happens. The best way to shut it down is to ask them, “is she a candidate yet?”

http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

She called Herman Cain the flavor of the week. He may be, but she was the flavor of 2010.

She hasn’t just been taken off of the line-up of offerings, she’s put herself into the deep freezer.

Maybe the fame and celebrity really did go a bit too much to her head. I don’t know.

I liked her. I still like her, but I’ve got less respect for her than I had, and this year heavily hurt her in my eyes.

I’m not a supporter of any of the Republican candidates yet. And being the contrarian I am, I may still vote third party – yes, yes, I know the whole schpeel about third parties. If Gingrich, Romney or Paul gets the nomination, I’m voting third party.

If Palin still wants to jump in, good for her, but she’s going to have a wounded foot, having shot herself.

bakedflounder

But may I point out…..that I really don’t think she has gotten full of herself like Obama. And I really don’t think she is intentionally stringing people along. I think she is seriously conflicted about running and how that would affect her family, honestly. But that said, the answer should be “no, I’m not running.” If she hasn’t felt the inspiration to run by now because of family doubts, it’s time to own the answer of NO and announce that so her supporters can get behind a viable candidate.

diamondplayer

This Palin time line is something you would expect from a scorned, petty teenager angry at his 1st girlfriend. It looks like the Palin syndrome has metastasized from the bow tie site (DC) to RedState.

SunDogII

Oh, now I remember why I stopped coming here.

gekster

I kinda think it is obviuos that you have not stopped coming here.

Marcus_Traianus

Ya know since he is usurping the role of “savior” from Obama for 2012 and all.

gillis7

now she can fade into a Jeopardy item…..

“I’ll take obscure references to celebrity has-beens for 400 Alex”

waitaminute

Her best option now to eventually be President is to serve a couple terms in the Senate or schmooze it up with the eventual nominee in hopes of getting a Cabinet posting. Then she’d have a good chance in 2020 or 2024 maybe… Far enough in the future that people think of her as Senator Palin or Secretary of State Palin rather than Failed VP Candidate Palin and Half-term Governor Palin.

highlander1754

She’s not had a job in two years and he’s not had one since his four years as governor of Mass. For the last four years he has counted his money and ran for president.

http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

She said she resigned to save Alaska further harm. If she runs 3rd party to give the election to Obama she’ll be violating her own moral standard. I do not believe she is that kind of person much less politician.

Look for her and SarahPAC to work to bring about a 60-seat GOP senate in 2013.

lastdaysofpompeii

Let me know when you are done with your Palin rant and I’ll be back for something interesting.

Bill S

Your absence hasn’t been noticed.

Green_Lantern

That’s true. He’s doing the same thing.

conservativemusician

I mean look at what her family has already been through the last 3 + years and the abuse they have taken. As others have noted, if she were really concerned about that, then why did she drag them all over the country at every campaign stop in 2008? No, this is about Sarah and her need to be noticed and EE like many of us have had enough of her self-centered attitude.

Many have criticized EE on this site over the last 24 hours for calling her out so publicly, but I’m not one of them because she brought this on herself. If she has engendered this kind of reaction from the conservative base, just imagine what the libs will do in the run up to the general election.

The longer this drags on, the more foolish both she and her rabid supporters appear to the rest of us who are looking at each candidate objectively and not buying into the personality hype. EE is justified in calling her out because he is calling attention to the obvious: Palin is unelectable…pure and simple, and she knows it.

Kentucky Scott

Whether one supports Sarah Palin or not does not excuse the juvenile approach of the last 24 hours. For some reason Redstate.com has stopped being the “go to ” site for conservative thought and ideas. This used to be my first stop of the day but less so now that it seems to be descending into a parody of it’s original mission.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

We won’t miss you.

gekster

Alex is no more.

Darin_H

That’s what I was thinking too.

gas238

You are wasting ink, time, and effort. The country is being destroyed, cover something that matters! Get over it!

electroncollector

While I am a Palin supporter I am not a fanatic. But this site has turned into a disgusting Palin hater.

Like I did with Little Green Footballs some time ago I have removed your bookmark and must bid you farewell.

gekster

Those must be negative electrons.

Bill S

Are you serious?

Bill S

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gekster

….

Jack_Savage

And your street cred in the CNN Green Room is now impeccable. Congrats.

I have been watching politics for a few decades now, and I don’t think I have ever seen a more juvenile, pointless, frat-boy, day-of-rage stunt within a political party in my entire life. I have no idea what you are trying to prove, I have no idea what the unifying purpose is, and I have no idea what the eventual net positive is. This is so bizarre I can’t even speculate. Or maybe the first sentence in this post pretty well sums it up.

On top of that, it seems that the front pagers and directors were behind you and signed off on this. That no one even mentioned the possible effects of this little jihad makes it all the more disturbing.

All my life I have seen Republicans cannibalize each other. All my life I have wondered why on earth anyone would bother running as a Republican, because at the first sign of trouble, every coward in the party either piles on or runs for the tall grass. Your effort here is a perfect example of why the GOP presidential field is so weak; who on earth would put themselves on the line – for this?

This is not about Sarah Palin. This is about a bullying, playground, childish effort that, no matter who the candidate, is beneath a site – a “community” – that purports to be the online face of conservatism.

Now that I think about it, it used to be beneath this site, but not what this place has become. Not a place to recruit, and encourage and educate, but a place to hector and bully and separate those who are on your own team. Not long ago I begged you to disable my account, and you didn’t because of some kindness or busyness or something. It turned out not to be a kindness at all, because I sincerely wish I had not hung around to see this.

Sarah Palin is one of us. Sarah Palin has endured more than you, or I, or anyone who has ever posted here combined ever will, and all for the GOP and the cause of conservatism. She didn’t deserve this – no one deserved this – and it reflects far, far more on you than any announcement, non-announcement or late announcement ever will on her.

This episode makes me sick, in the physical sense, and tired, in the not enthused sense, and tells me what I knew already – the GOP, and conservatives, simply aren’t up to the task before us. We are facing the destruction of America as we know it, and this is what a leader of our movement comes up with – saving their rage for one of our own. Utterly, completely, totally uncalled for and pathetic. But entirely expected and in line with our history as a party.

Perfect.

conservativemusician

She’d better care what we think because without us, she will never get elected. We are the base of the party and she’s pissing a lot of us off. Seems to me and many of us here that she is more interested in stringing this thing out for selfish reasons. Not the best way to start a campaign off, don’t you think?

She prides herself on not wanting to be defined or “handled” as a candidate, but because she is not willing to submit to the rigors of the vetting process like all the other candidates, she is being defined nonetheless in a very negative way to the base as well as all the “precious” independents and libs. She enjoys the image of playing the rebel, but if she thinks she’s going to thumb her nose at us by “going rogue” (barf, BTW), then she is in for a rude awakening. If “…she doesn’t give a rat’s behind what anyone thinks…” (apparently including the conservative base), then she is not worthy of any consideration at all.

acat

Who knows, maybe gas238 likes the Amazon beta browser…

Mew

billyd

I always though that EE was bigger than this. To dedicate the site for an entire day to wether or not Palin had made an announcement seems pretty childish and petty.
Now, i’m not a palin follower so i’m not exactly sure how here media arm works, but the link to her statements in one of the other posts goes to US for Palin. On the top of that site, it says that it is not an official Palin site and has no ties to her.
If i recall, everything Palin has done in the past was announced either on her facebook page, twitter account, or through her PAC. I didn’t see a single link to any posts on any of those sites that said she would be making an announcement by Sept 30th.
The post with her statement from Hannity’s show only gives her answer. What was the question? If the question was… “When do you think a candidate would need to announce by”, i would say that her answer would be her opinion. If the question was “When will YOU make YOUR announcement” than her timeline has passed.
But again… An entire day of front page posts? Really? It seems like EE may have caught himself a case of PDS. Probably spent too much time in that CNN news room. You know… That same newsroom that follows her around the country to every stop she makes, sent reporters to Wasilla as soon as the e-mails were published, and i’m sure has people that want to know what she’s doing every second of every day.

Bottom line…. She hasn’t entered the race, so why focus on her?

gekster

Holding a potential candidate to her word.
Expecting her to mean what she said when she said, “my drop dead date is September 30th”.
Don’t we want politicians to keep to the words they tell us.
She earned what she got, and her stringing along all of her supporters for so long is the real problem.
Like hey say, if you love me let me know, if you don’t then let me go.
Just what does it say about her to give a self imposed deadline, and then ignore it.

Besides, it turned into alot of fun for some, not so much for others.
Thats’s life.
Get over yourself.

runner12

out some of the frustration and irritation among Conservatives who used to be supporters of Palin regarding her antics of late. I know that I have lost a lot of respect for Palin in the last two years.

As one poster stated above, right after the 2008 elections I actually thought that she might have a shot at the WH in 2012 and make a good President. But things began to change when she left office, which I guess she had her reasons. I still felt favorably towards her, even if supporting her for the Presidency was out of the picture for me at this point.

So I thought that she would be the kingmaker and be a great voice for Conservatism and/or run for Senate. I despised the attacks made on her by the Leftist media (still do). To a certain extent, she was helpful in 2010.

Where she has plummeted for me is with this whole I will run/I won’t behavior. It is not helpful for the GOP effort to defeat Obama. Period. End of Story.
These actions coupled with her snarky comments about Cain and Perry have just left a bad taste in my mouth.

When you think about it, it is actually quite sad. She had a lot of potential, but somewhere along the way she lost her bearings and just derailed.

Jack_Savage

Complete with a line from an Olivia Newton-John song posing as a bit of philosophical wisdom, fragments of thoughts masquerading as sentences to the point where Meghan McCain would pause, get out her red pen and begin editing.

You know – you’re right – this IS fun! Mutual Assured Destruction!

runner12

Another thing that hurt Palin for me is seeing her in contrast to Bachmann. Sure, Bachmann derailed herself with the Gardasil issue (she should have just come out an apologized for relating a rather silly sob story), but I have never questioned her commitment to her job or to this country.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bachmann truly cares about this country and that it is not the “Michelle Bachmann Show” 24/7. I would enthusiastically support her for Speaker of the House someday.

Palin comes off poorly in comparison, IMHO.

Whacker77

He is. I thought he didn’t start to reconsider until last week. So he;s been at this for about ten days. On the other hand, Governor Dingbat has been teasing her supporters for a year. Which is worse? 10 days or 365 days?

westcoastpatriette

with all your vids…thanks.

Aaron Gardner

If you are so filled with rage that it causes you to go all jihad on Erick and RedState then maybe you should just walk away.

gekster

addressing the issue of Palin giving a drop dead date and the not adhearing to it.

And yes, I am illiterate.
I have a hard time reading bull.

drivlikejehu

The Palin show has been tiresome for a while now. She’s supposedly the straight shooter yet she doesn’t stand by her own words.

At the end of the day, who is she? Someone who became famous because McCain was desperate. Someone who served part of one term as governor. Someone who does reality TV, supports her daughter doing reality TV, and gives a political speech every few months. Someone who frankly is not extraordinarily intelligent.

The conservative movement is about preserving a country of over 300 million people. There are plenty of conservatives out there- many of whom are far less interested in their own celebrity than in doing what’s right.

johnt

n/t

kabane52

These posts have done nothing but prove to me that RedState is capable of keeping touch with reality and having fun with it. Still my first stop. Later.

acat

Silly gekster.

Mew

kabane52

The people on this site are pretty universally former Palin supporters, and we’re pissed at her for stringing everyone along and glorifying herself rather than helping the movement.

mustango

Even at this point I’m willing to forgive and forget if Sarah says no, she’s not running, she was never running, she just wanted to tweak the media as hard as possible, and she’s sorry if it got out of hand.

IMO there is still very much a place for her in the forefront of the conservative movement, but we have to get over this hump.

gekster

Do you know that little guy.
I know all you cats hang with each other.

drivlikejehu

How would it be tweaking the media? They get paid to cover her. It’s only her supporters who are really being ‘tweaked.’

Marcus_Traianus

I may not be Governor Palin’s biggest fan, but if you want to promote fallacious liberal caricatures of her why don’t you back them up with some examples? My guess is her accomplishments and political contributions far outweigh that ridiculous ad hominem.

Now, on the matter of Mr. Christie he could certainly put an end to all the speculation. Yes, I know he has “unequivocally” denied he is running. But I find it funny that people such as Karl Rove and John Catsimatidis are running around saying the opposite. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but Christie and his people can put an end to all their trial balloons by telling them, without question, he is not running.

acat

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gekster

1:00 AM, acat.

Scope

can ever imagine. The pity Palin argument. One of the things Palin herself has done for the last two years is to keep herself out there, asking for more and more. If Palin ever did have the notion of running for the presidency, as she herself has indicated, she would have used some class in doing so. She constantly put herself out there, and almost asked for what she got. How many movies has Palin stared in, with no other cast than herself, talking about herself, and about how mean and cruel the media world is? Even after leaving her Gov. role, Palin has had plenty of time to get together a great team of the brightest, and come up with some concrete plans as to what her policies would be to lead the country out of the disaster we are currently in. Palin preferred to keep herself in the public’s eye with her bumper sticker comments, and tweets about this or that. Palin has shown no seriousness in developing any plans or policies. You can fit “death panels” onto a bumper sticker, but it says nothing of what you would do to insure that it doesn’t happen.

I’m so tired of the poor Palin syndrome that has pervaded her supporters. Sure she was treated badly, first by the liberals, and then by many in her own party. Palin didn’t do anything to help herself, she only seemed to keep taunting everyone. It makes me sick to see her now abusing her supporters who should have expected much more from someone who has had more time than any candidate in the race to prepare for what she seemed to be promising. Nope. Her PAC sends out a fundraising letter a week ago, asking for the biggest donation one can give, which can’t be used for a presidential run. And her team did this while the announced candidates are all trying to scramble to get every dollar to run their already announced valid campaigns.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for Palin.

Jack_Savage

It isn’t rage.

Maybe you guys think this is some super-smart way of arranging things to defeat Obama. If it is, I wish you would let me in on it, because I can’t see it.

I like coming here to catch up on news, see what Labor Union Report is posting, and read things I wouldn’t normally see in the MSM. I understand that RedState doesn’t need anyone, especially me – I get that. But this little episode is nothing but sorry, for the reasons I stated above.

Read what I wrote, and show me where I am wrong.

Jack_Savage

I am sure you have suffered for the cause, and know exactly what Sarah Palin is thinking and feeling. I am glad you have been on the inside and can speak authoritatively about her sinister intentions and lack of policy formation.

“Asked for what she got”, huh? Nice. I am sure women who wear halter tops are “asking for what they get” too.

This isn’t about Palin. I would be writing this if it were any other conservative on the end of Erick’s pointy stick. No one can see that, I guess, which shouldn’t be surprising.

Aaron Gardner

Seems you have a very flexible definition of rage.

As for me, I am just sick of the perpetual pity party.

Palin set a timetable for herself which she failed to meet.

Erick and RedState have been ridiculed by Palin fans for about 6 months. All the while they told us that about Palin being a point guard and that we just didn’t understand her super secret strategy that would totally prove them right.

Yet Palin never produced.

Time to get over the personality cult and get back into politics.

If you can’t do that, then walk away. No sense in making a big deal out of it.

Ryan Larsen

In fairness to Palin, things have shaken up unexpectedly over the last few weeks. So maybe that’s why she needs more time. She may have been leaning against a run two weeks ago, and now with Herman Cain surging and all the other things happening, she might be leaning towards a run.

Even if she did decide yesterday to run, she might need more time to decide how to announce.

Aaron Gardner

blah

Jack_Savage

You know something? I feel exactly the same way about Palin, and my money and vote would have reflected that. A great many of her supporters feel that she will be very helpful, just not as the nominee. I think she is smart enough to know that.

Elections are the great marketplace. They sort things out. If Palin runs, or doesn’t run, it will all be sorted out.

Erick’s posts could have easily appeared on the MSNBC website. THAT is my problem with this whole thing.

gekster

You and Miss Cleo.

So what do you think about Sarah giving her drop dead date of wether she will run or not, and then reneging on it.

Jack_Savage

And you know it.

Maybe the comment “asking for what she gets” makes me a little sensitive, since we have seen comments that she would be gang-raped by “the brothas” if she ever came to New York, and that her underage daughter was “knocked up by A-Rod” in Yankee Stadium make national news.

But hey, it’s only Sarah Palin – right?

Have the last word, since you seem to be on duty here. I have yard work to do and a voter registration form to change.

Aaron Gardner

But thanks for conflating us at RedState with a convicted rapist.

Way to keep your senses about you.

Jack_Savage

Seriously – why do you care so much? Why does Erick care so much? I consider myself a supporter, and don’t give a crap. If she is in, I will evaluate the situation and act accordingly, and if she isn’t I will do the same.

We’ve got a front-runner whose model for health care was the basis for Obamacare, and Sarah Palin’s announcement is our biggest problem? Really?

Aaron Gardner

Have fun in your cult.

gekster

Better get busy on that voter registration thing, the Dems need you.

Jack_Savage

I compared RedState to convicted rapists – nice one. Is that right beside the “right to privacy” in the Constitution? Is that where I can read those words?

You stand by what Erick did. I take issue with it. Fine. If this is what you think it will take to beat Obama, have at it.

All the best.

Jack_Savage

If this is what the GOP does to its own, NO MATTER WHO IT IS (emphasis by author since Aaron has reading issues) – which is exactly what I have seen since you were crapping in your diapers, then it is time to become a much sought-after independent.

It is ridiculous. Thanks for proving MY point.

fightnright

I believe that Christie HAD made uo his mind about running prior to the early debates and the Republican bases’s negative reception of the current field. In a recent RS post I said (in part):

‘It?s hard to imagine that Christie and his handlers did not agree to the Reagan Library speech as a national audition to increase interest in his candidacy and his public following. Now the scientific polling can begin, as a larger sample of Republicans in southern, western, and so-called flyover states may give more informed responses to poll questions about Christie, with a better taste of his positions, personal style, and off-the cuff aptitude….It may have been a shrewd move on Governor Christie?s part to skip the earliest debates for a broader and more auspicious stage introduction…I?d like to watch the polls for a couple weeks (as Christie, top Republican organizers and major donors who have offered to support him are no doubt doing) and see what his chances are.’

I’m guessing that combined, the failure of electable candidates to catch fire after several debates, plus the extensive, serious offers of funding and organization by Republican power players has caught the Gov by surprise. I don’t think his family loves the idea (as Palin’s did, being a clan of divas and spotlight lovers as rarely seen in political families); his wife Mary Pat is now leaving to him the final decision.

In the case of Christie, – whose support in the primary I’ve not personally decided on yet, btw – I’m hoping he’ll use this ten days or so before the next debate to make that final decision. Finally, I do not think this does, as with Palin, reduce to an entirely ego driven question. Christie is struggling over whether he can help the country and his party with a run that will impact his kids and wife in long term and significant ways.

"I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress or two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover," she said. "I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. … You want people who don’t worry about the next election." Beverly Perdue, NC Governor

If you don’t believe that Democrats will do what they say, then don’t
vote. But be warned: your 2016 vote may not come at all. Vote Republican
in 2012!

Aaron Gardner

As far as the rest of your comment, I don’t even know what it even means.

Have fun leaving the party because your savior isn’t running.

Aaron Gardner

Can’t wait to see the huge difference it makes in electoral politics.

Whacker77

Her bizarre actions, her empty use of conservative catch phrases, her desire for celebrity, her desire to get wealthy on the backs of her supporters, her decision to quit the governorship after two years, her phoney bus tour, her dismissiveness of “Herb” Cain, and her major faux speech announcement last month all add up to her being a self absorbed dingbat. When asked what papers she reads, she could offer no answer. Dingbat. And don’t forget, she also endorsed a dingbat in O’Donnell.

Jack_Savage

If Sarah runs, I will not vote for her, FYI, for reasons that are too nuanced for you to understand. My problem is with the broader issue here, which you are unable to comprehend, since calling people “Palinbots” or members of a “cult” suits your intellect and debating skills much better. Are you in fifth grade? If you were, I would feel much better about what you write. If you are an adult, not so much.

It is not about Palin. It is what we do to our own, which you are demonstrating in spades.

I will always treasure the times when we agreed with each other.

Jack_Savage

I hope this strategy yields the sea change in public opinion you are seeking.

Jack_Savage

It was lunchtime. I’m going out now, so feel free.

Sorry I screwed up the timing of the announcement of letting you have the last word – can I expect posts from Erick every hour now?

gekster

I am sure women who wear halter tops are ?asking for what they get? too.

conservativecurmudgeon

Why is it so difficult for some folks to wrap their heads and minds around this concept? She may run for the presidency, she may not. She will be judged accordingly, Her timing is her own. Her decisions are her own. Her life is her own, and nothing some blogger says, or some talking head says, or some media pundit says will ultimately change this fact.

Sarah Palin puts her pants on one leg at a time. When she’s cut, she bleeds red blood, just like everyone else. That we are running count-down clocks about her decisions (or lack thereof) tells us more about us than about her.

And finally, would it matter if Mrs. Palin had announced her candidacy yesterday? Those who oppose her would continue to oppose her, those that support her would still support her. I sense, though, the longer she stays in the candidacy shadows, the more time the long knives have to rust.

We hunger for leadership, that’s for sure. That’s what this entire thread is really about.

lineholder

whether or not Ms. Palin does or does not intend to make a firm commitment as a candidate in this electoral race, I do agree with the sentiment that it would be better for everyone if she simply said “yes” or “no”. In the context of factors that unify or divide Republicans, her decision not to make that commitment as of yet is more divisive than unifying.

Erick undoubtedly has his reasons for taking the approach that he has, and the moderators have agreed with him. for the most part. People are different, and I don’t know that I would have considered taking this approach because of the potential for it to come back to haunt me. That’s just me.

But folks like you and I are on this side of the screen, Jack. All we have is how things seem to be and a perception of reality based on circumstantial evidence. There could be behind the scenes factors involved in the situation necessitating that this be addressed now that those of us on the outside know nothing about.

eabjr

This stuff w/ Palin over the last 24 hrs. has seemed so odd for Red State (comments included). We are in real trouble and the GOP field and commentators are falling into the same old empty talk, illusory solutions, and political excitement that generates….nothing! What will change in DC if any of the current field and thinking gets in? It will just be another swap of big talk, with subsequent bowing to the behemoth and we the people will continue to be choked off. Our lack of character is the result of decades of deterioration…but I guess we can’t see it—for we think we really have something this year; so much that we can act like children w/ this Palin stuff and think we really “sayin’ something”…Wake up folks~

ruexperienced

… but Palin’s right hand person, Rebecca Mansour, called Erick a “greasy douchebag.”

Palin supporters have called all of use even worse names.

Somebody has to stick a fork in this woman and declare her dead.

eabjr

This stuff w/ Palin over the last 24 hrs. has seemed so odd for Red State (comments included). We are in real trouble and the GOP field and commentators are falling into the same old empty talk, illusory solutions, and political excitement that generates?.nothing! What will change in DC if any of the current field and thinking gets in? It will just be another swap of big talk, with subsequent bowing to the behemoth and we the people will continue to be choked off. Our lack of character is the result of decades of deterioration?but I guess we can?t see it?for we think we really have something this year; so much that we can act like children w/ this Palin stuff and think we really ?sayin? something??Wake up folks~

NeoKong

Why don’t we stick around and call you guys out on your crap and if you don’t like well then you can take a walk.
Who the hell are you to tell people to get lost….?

acat

Palin’s got a brackish lagoon at best.

She could do what she’s said she’ll do and support the strongest conservative in the race – and even if she witheld her endorsement for POTUS until it was obvious who won the nom, it’d still have value.

As it is, she’s stagnating, she’s taking a percentage of the voters with her, and you think it’s a “sea”.

Mew

acat

Yes, if Mitt “Waffles” Romney gets in, I can’t see much movement away from liberalism, but .. he’s the only one in the top 4 for whom that’s true.

Love him or hate him (and I am on the side of hate) Ron Paul would shake D.C. to its’ foundations.

Cain’s outsider cred, his business accumen, and his pragmatic turn-around know-how would strip away decades of D.C. insider-cronyism and graft. Much of his success or failure would ride on how good a judge of character he is, and how fast he learns to work in a truly toxic environment, but .. give the man credit, his presence at the top of the ticket would guarantee change.

Perry’s likewise not a “business as usual” guy. His changes would likely be different from Cain’s, and certainly more centered on reality than Ron Paul’s, but .. there would be changes. I don’t see how you can interpret his calling Social Security a ponzi scheme or expressing a desire to thump Bernanke (who, you’ll note, has screwed the pooch with “the twist” maneuver) indicate a “status quo”.

Seriously, calling *any* of these guys (except Waffles Romney) “status quo” is just ridiculous.

Mew

freentn

to continue to string this “wil she or won’t she” bit out while criticizing Conservatives who are in the race. If she really wanted to see the best conservative nominated that she would be attacking Romney not taking pot shots at Perry. I liked Sarah. She is one of the main reasons, I worked my butt off for McCain/Palin but I am beginning to question her motives.

Marcus_Traianus

Boy you have certainly assigned plenty of motives to her actions. But Palin never said she would run. It was a consideration. Period. The rest was divined or the result of speculation gone wild.

As mentioned before, I am not the Governors biggest fan. But she still has a pretty substantial following from key party groups. That requires at least some consideration and has helped add to the dynamics of this race.

And since we are engaging in divination and motive forensics, I personally don’t think Palin ever intended to run. After all the abuse, attacks on her family, mindless rhetoric, names calling and liberal nut jobs moving in next door? Oh please, that would be an indication to me she was nuts.

She has used her influence in a very smart way without really hurting her following. I say, touche’.

fightnright

but Sarah has herself to blame for this satire; she has for years used the incredibly valuable media real estate she has been granted as a lure for gawkers, rather than a podium to educate a broad spectrum of voters about the principles of conservativism.

Count me amongst the many Republicans who started out with a positive opinion of SP after her first speeches – I was initially fooled, as many indie and crossover Obama voters were, by the enchantment of a silver tongue, which is never an indicator of the intelligence of its owner.

Then the lack of depth in her post-election interviews, her reliance on a kind of celebrity glamour that never failed to outshine even her charisma, and a general failure to give priority to party venues in which she might have addressed politics seriously (i.e., outside the O Reilly/Hannity/reality show circuit), cost me any hope of her value as a conservative candidate.

Locked and Loaded

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eabjr

I never said some of these candidates didn’t have some qualities to admire and be hopeful with. My emphasis was the inevitable lack of will that will ensue once in….character and true conviction of the principle’s of our country would prevent this. This is what has been missing for so long; and would be seen more readily at this stage. Thus, your comments only proved my point concerning the lenses you see thru; you would do well to research the history of these candidates and how they voted and governed—quips and statements that seem strong or “right on” carry no weight…except fro those who actually believe what they say against reality, both historically and currently.

Locked and Loaded

But I disagree with your assessment of and response to this situation. Are you really going to let Erick’s posts drive you out of the Republican Party? If not, then what else has contributed to your decision?

jaegermeister

She who can, runs.
She who cannot, tweets.

acat

How about this. Since you’re accusing me of missing something, how about doing some actual *research* and posting one positive and one negative about the following five individuals:

Herman Cain
Sarah Palin
Ron Paul
Rick Perry
Mitt Romney

What do you see that qualifies each, what do you see that disqualifies them?

Mew

dock3511

Just say’n.
I am no big Sarah fan. But I do appreciate her role in flogging the Left. A childish, in yer face series of posts, felt my twitter feed was being spammed. Palin is very crystalizing, love her or hate her. This series of posts got old quickly. Yeah, I got it the first time.

papabear

Hit you in the Donkey

kabane52

RedState isn’t a political hub for candidates and independent voters. It is a place where conservatives gather to discuss these issues, with a bit of humor added in. And, when one of our own behaves like a celebrity, we have every right to mock her just as we mocked Obama when he did (and does) the same.

Palin’s done. Some people need a serious slap in the face to realize this. I appreciate Erick providing that needed slap. And I say this as a former staunch Palin supporter.

papabear

EE did a 1 day version of Sarah Palin’s stringing us along. I am thankful to EE for giving us a sweetenedcondensed mockumentry.

billyd

Where is the link to that? Her comments about her making an announcement on one of her outlets? Or is it that you bought into the media hype that she has to run, and that she was going to run because of the places she’s been to. The same type of speculation that the Media is trying to pin on Christie. Say no, and they just look for another reason why saying no doesn’t really mean no.

And why would Palin run? So she can get her points out there? She already has the ability to do that. Or do you really think she could win? If you do, you’ve got other issues to deal with.

pantera

The flavor/week was like a 2 minute conversation where the media picks a flavor/week. This week its cain before the media hops back on the moderate perry/mitt train.

Yes Sarah’s brought some of this on herself.
If she gets in,after the 1st debate she’ll be the ”pole leader”.
The money will flow in except from the wall street,union kickback crews.

If a republican wins POTUS and the congress goes conservative the 1st order will have to be a executive order declaring martial law in the cities to stop the revolution spring.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

are perfect for a prospective “candidate” bereft of qualifications and experience.

eabjr

Please don’t read my comments as if I think I “see” and others don’t. I am only trying to be objectively and intellectually honest. I say what I say w/ no ill will at all; I appreciate your feedback, and am not trying to be accusatory but observatory…all the while trying to keep in focus that any who desire limited gov, constitutional principles, etc. are on the same team—remember the founders and their spirited debates.
So then, here is my opinion about your posted candidates, with one more added—positives first, negative’s second—keeping in mind the challenge of short answers when there is so much to say:
HC: Great man, leader, and quintessential American story (its who I currently lean towards). Concerned that he doesn’t see the big picture threat progressives are at this dire moment evidenced by his responses when the light shines brighter on him.
SP: Demonstrated a desire for clean government in all her posts thru the years against the political class of both left/right. Major mistakes after the election of being overexposed in a variety of ways lending to the perception of its all about her.
RPaul: Probably the most consistent & principled over the years w/ a good grip on the founders thinking concerning individual liberty. Concerned w/ some of his foreign policy as it relates to seriousness of Islamic threats.
RPerry & M Romney: This is the show the establishment wants us to watch and this speaks volumes: I don’t see much difference between these two: major progressive tendencies in their governing records (lived in TX twice & Romney is all too obvious). Perhaps they have had some Damascus road changes as they have said, but nothing at the moment indicates this. They will keep business as usual well established.
Newt: I bring up Newt for illustration’s sake about what we all may up against more than we know: Newt’s forward’s and praise of Alvin Toffler’s works (“Third Wave”/ Future Shock”/ Creating a New Civilization” etc.) back in his leadership days are alarming. These are major, major progressive works, only from a “conservative futurist” approach. I have never heard him renounce such views, his recent works notwithstanding.

Nothing ever really changes…it keeps going the same direction…
All I am saying is we must keep our eyes wide open and resist the tendency to get drawn into the desired show that distracts from the enormity and seriousness of the situation we are in. We can’t afford “political as usual” here… peace to you “cat”…

weyland

What, like quitting the governorship halfway through?

Sir, you owe me a new irony meter.

ChicaGOP

…and pretty much everyone knew it. What she HAS been doing, and you ought to be a bit more respectful of, is running interference with the media, taking a lot of barbs that would have otherwise gone into Perry’s (and maybe even Romney’s) back. And the longer she can keep it up, the better our nominee will survive the media thrashing they always get.

But belaboring the point in such an interminable and, dare I say, amateurish manner does no honor to the causes or candidates forwarded by this site. It looks petty and small – venom never reads well.

I’m sure Erick was following Rush’s example in illustrating absurdity by being absurd, but I gotta tell you – it works on radio much better than it does on the Web. On the Web, it looks like every other monomaniacal Palin or Paul groupie. Add me to the list of people disappointed in this little exercise.

Just sayin’.

republitarian

rather than refresh my annoyance every hour. The content is good on any other day so I can give EE a pass on this one.

republitarian

It’s a good opportunity to go read some of the recommended diaries.

weyland

…well, I don’t think I need to spell it out, do I?

weyland

She hasn’t been ‘running interference’ to benefit other candidates. She has been keeping herself in the limelight to quench her all-consuming thirst for attention, adoration, and — most importantly — cash. She’s nothing but a two-bit organ grinder, and folks like you have been the monkeys that dance to the tune.

Jack_Savage

So I will answer it. I am sorry if it is long. And it has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin.

Do you remember who forced Nixon to resign? It wasn’t Democrats – it was Republicans. Do you remember when Republicans took over the House in 1994, and every magazine cover had Newt Gingrich on it with some headline about how mean Republicans were? (My copy of the New Republic, to which I actually subscribed, had Newt as the “Gingrinch Who Stole Christmas”.) Do you remember when Trent Lott paid an old man a compliment at his birthday party, got accused of being a racist, then was run out of the Senate? Do remember how many elected Republicans came to George Allen’s defense when he said one word – maccaca? The answer – none. How about the Republicans who stood firm with George Bush – none – when his popularity plunged – and every Republican that remains silent today when he is blamed for everything from the housing crisis to burned toast?

Those are just a few examples, but the main point is that when a Republican gets in trouble, other Republicans either pile on or run for the tall grass. The GOP is so used to eating their own that I am sure there are several cookbooks on Amazon that can be purchased to make it easier.

You know what the net result of that affinity for cannibalism / cowardice is? Helping Democrats win elections. Whenever, wherever we let outsiders split us and turn us against each other, the net effect is to help Democrats. And when we help Democrats, we hurt this country.

You know what is worse? Piling on without any real reason.Poking someone in the eye when they haven’t done anything – meaning run of the mill Palin supporters, who would have hit the streets for whoever was nominated. Sure, you and I are behind this screen, and maybe someone was mean to Erick, but his words and his posts are going to be used by the left no matter whether Palin runs or not. They are going to be used to convince those who like Palin but who don’t follow internet sites closely to become apathetic or angry, and the GOP will lose support. Maybe a little, maybe a lot, but it is support the GOP needs at a time when we can least afford to lose it.

Cold Warrior wants me to be a precinct chairman in a party with this history? To spend time away from my family to feed into this dysfunction? To risk being raked over the coals publicly, then to look around and find no one stands beside me? Hell no. Not any more. I had attended meetings when I wasn’t out of town or reading to my children, and was seriously thinking about taking the plunge, but this little episode reminded me of why I hesitated in the past.

My family and I have been through campaigns. I have seen first hand what happens when someone in power takes unkindly to a principled stand. It ruins people. It tears apart families. It leaves people destitute. I have witnessed cowardice up close. I have seen bullies, and bullying tactics, and I despise both. Maybe that is why I feel the way I feel about Obama. Maybe that is why I feel admiration for Sarah Palin. Maybe that is why I want to beg Steve Foley not to run.

For some reason I kinda was hoping things had changed, that maybe it was a new day, but this brings back all the memories, all the incidents, all the ways the GOP has hurt this country by helping Democrats. I don’t care to be associated with it. I’ll vote for a dead, bloated, yellow dog before I will vote for a Democrat, but my card will say “Independent”.

Sorry for the length of the post. I appreciate your kind words. I think I probably better go now.

kabane52

Perhaps the fact that she hasn’t had a real job in two years, and has chosen to encourage speculation about a White House run. She’s been perpetually “thinking about it” and then bashing other Republicans for the White House. Time for her to stop “thinking about it” and either pick a candidate or shut up.

billyd

She makes a lot more money in her (i guess you consider it fake) than i do. She a contributor for Fox News (Fox News who said that they would not employ anyone who decided to run for president) and has released her book.
And what would you like her to say? Would it make you feel better if she came out and said no, she’s not running? Because when i look at Christie, that doesn’t seem to be working for him.
I also take it that you would prefer that she just go all kumbaya on the current field of candidates, not point out anything she disagrees with, and let them deal with those issues when Obama and his Billion dollar campaign come calling.
Again, i think any sane person can see that Palin isn’t going to run because….
1. She can’t win.
2. The media already follows her every move so entering a race she couldn’t win wouldn’t change a thing other than enhance the speed at which she will become ignored in the future.
3. She’s got an outlet to express her views on the highest rated cable network on the planet.

aesthete

but you’re deluding yourself if you think this and other attacks on Palin from conservatives came out of nowhere. Conservatives believe in fair play, honesty, and some level of decorum when it comes to seeking higher office. The way that Palin went about, fanning the flames of her supporters and milking her will she/won’t she theatrics like a mid-season finale during sweeps week, can at best be described as too cute by half.

Is this childish, gratuitous, and unnecessary? Well… yeah. The reason it is all of those things has nothing to do with Palin, however: she is not any better or worse than your typical politician, and is certainly no secular saint for the cause of conservatism. It is all of those things because Palin’s *supporters*, obnoxious though they may be at times, are still conservative, are still on our side, and deserve a little better than having their noses rubbed in for having been played. Even if they didn’t deserve it, *we* deserve better than an even more bitter primary where Palin supporters stay home, go third party, or take potshots at the remaining candidates — and these sort of posts encourage that outcome.

avgjo

Ya know, I have supported her in the past, mainly against charges that she is not electable or competent. But I think she’s screwing up the field. You’ll notice that in all these polls that show all of the candidates behind Obama in a hypothetical race, the numbers never add up to 100%; indeed, there is often 8-13% out. I wonder how many of these polls are skewed because certain respondents are holding out for Palin. She needs to clarify so that those who are waiting for her can either join her campaign or support one of the folks who have actually committed to run.

Jack_Savage

And need to ask you an honest question about this first:

“The way that Palin went about, fanning the flames of her supporters and milking her will she/won?t she theatrics like a mid-season finale during sweeps week, can at best be described as too cute by half.”

I hear that as a rationale for rubbing Palin supporters’ noses in the dung, but I swear I missed all of that. I think she said she would decide (and I will assume she said she would decide by yesterday, although I missed that), but as far as I can tell basically went silent, save for a spot or two on Fox, where she is a contributor and can reasonably be expected to show up and talk.

Can you give me some recent examples, or links, or anything that would convince someone that she has been stringing people along? And I truly ask this as someone who must have missed it, which is entirely possible.

aesthete

Probably the first big case of her fanning the flames, as it were, was her appearance at the Iowa Straw Poll as a non-candidate, announcing beforehand that she was going to make a big announcement (many assumed a definitive statement about whether she would pursue the Presidency, given her statements about September). Her PAC encouraged donations based on this “announcement”, saying that it would “help”. Instead, she gave a boilerplate Tea Party speech, in which she said nothing of substance and which was by no stretch of the imagination “big” or an “announcement”. While she constantly says that the decision is a serious one for her, her actions belie this: she is not doing anything serious to show that she is respecting her fans or the process. She is not looking for a good staff (and her current staff is, let’s face it, quite reckless and overly zealous). She’s not shopping around for advice (granted, that’s not the type of thing that would be apparent to a lowly blogger). She’s not using discretion when talking about the other Republicans in the race (I think Cain got in trouble for that one…), and she’s hinting at running as a third party candidate. None of those actions tell me that she’s serious at all, so why should I believe that her statements/non-statements about “the announcement” are anything but frivolous?

Personally, I don’t care about any of this: I was never particularly invested in Sarah Palin, and though I liked her when McCain picked her, I was never anywhere above “pleasantly surprised”. I don’t honestly care about what Palin is doing: it seems like typical politician stuff to me, and I’d expect it of most of the Republican Presidential candidates, were they in Palin’s position. More importantly, I could care less about “respecting” the primary process — it’s a process at least as debased and useless as the Euro, and if Palin wants to put on a clown nose and mock the whole process, then all power to her. I do, however, understand that I’m a good deal more flippant about those things than most Republicans and conservatives are, and that those are the sort of behaviors that bother Republicans who see merit in the process. I can imagine how it would peeve those types to see Palin p*ss all over the process and the candidates without even giving supporters the common courtesy of letting them know if she’s running.

acat

Please try explaining how you *weren’t* saying Red State have slivers in our eyes, or *weren’t* saying we’re looking through coloured lenses again.

Our lack of character is the result of decades of deterioration?but I guess we can?t see it?for we think we really have something this year; so much that we can act like children w/ this Palin stuff and think we really ?sayin? something??Wake up folks~

Thus, your comments only proved my point concerning the lenses you see thru; you would do well to research the history of these candidates and how they voted and governed?quips and statements that seem strong or ?right on? carry no weight?except fro those who actually believe what they say against reality, both historically and currently.

That said, I’ve looked at every candidate and most of the proto-candidates this year. I may be the only one on Red State who’s mentioned som of them – Buddy Roemer – while others – McCotter – I didn’t get to know before they were gone. I do not see the problems with Perry that you are seeing, and Romney seems worse than you make him out to be.

Gingrich is a great debater, and probably the most intelligent – but not most wise! – candidate this cycle, but .. he’s got some serious flaws.

Finally, regarding Ron Paul, please advise how he can be this great man of conservatism and yet still pull so much pork to his district, and oppose earmark reform. One would think a conservative would be willing, eager perhaps, to reduce spending.

Mew

Jack_Savage

I remember the straw poll situation, but I would say that the Iowa Straw Poll (did Ron Paul win it?) means about as much as an Iowa straw field. I’m not sure she was mocking the process there, but I will grant you that it probably didn’t go over well with some people. And as far as her PAC goes, I believe that is far more likely to finance down ticket elections than her own bid for the Presidency. I have been accused of being a Palinbot etc etc, but just don’t feel led along. There’s just no there there.

There are some Palin supporters that hang on to her every word, but I haven’t met any, and have read comments by only a few. There are many, many people who were energized by Palin that are normal, hard working people, whom I have met and who needed to be drawn further into the GOP instead of being pushed away by petulance and score-settling.

These posts by Erick were counterproductive, to say the least.

renl57

This series of posts by Erickson was just sarcastic teasing on his part: “She hasn’t announced yet!….Not yet!….Not yet!….”

That stuff pales by comparison with the attacks I’ve seen on RedState toward Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. Go read them to refresh your memory.

The fact that Palin is “one of us” doesn’t entitle her to a free pass against criticism. She’s done things (and failed at other things) which deserve a lot of criticism.

ChicaGOP

Care to elaborate? I am not, nor have I ever been in favor of Palin as a candidate. So I’m quite curious as to who you believe I am, that you feel justifed labeling me a monkey – even “respectfully” so – for your swaggering strawman of an argument.

runner12

that her stringing people along has been helpful for the country or the GOP? I do not. Palin is irritating to me right now and quite frankly I was not offended at all with Erick’s posts. Believe me, MSNBC would be MUCH more cruel and personal in their attacks.

I think it is a difficult balance between not trashing our own and being intellectually honest when they are doing wrong. We are not liberals and we do not blindly follow people and/or defend them when they go astray. To me, Erick found an interesting way to find that balance through humor.

Because Palin has been admittedly trashed in the Leftist media unfairly, it is easy to view her as a perpetual victim. But what about the other candidates in Iowa who worked hard on the ground only to be upstaged by Palin? What about her supporters who have been strung along? Actions have consequences, for good or for ill and Palin’s actions of late have hurt those on the GOP side.

bassethound

I agree with everything you’ve said, word for word. I once had a lot of respect for Sarah Palin as a VP candidate, and later as a social comentator. I’ve lost that respect as she has turned, basically into a publicity hungry gadfly. Her “pot-shot” at Herman Cain for being the “flavor of the month” cemented my opinion.

cmorrow

Erick, I guess Governor Palin meant it when she responded to the CNN reporter who said “September-October? & she said then said “definitely the fall is the timeline:”— so I think your sophomoric countdown showed us more about your fear of her potentially successful run than any breaking of any promise on her part.

Seriously. You sound so intelligent sometimes on TV; so do yourself and your readers a favor and read everything Sarah has said on Facebook and in her speeches, look at her record – set aside your assumptions and you’ll realize she’s the best candidate we have by far.

desertfox

I believe Palin will run, no matter what you said.
What are you going to do when she makes announcement?
I think the noble way for you to do then is do like samurai do- a seppuku. But I doubt you have the courage for that.

paulnashtn

I like Redstate generally but this Palin nonsense is a crock.
I love Palin and wish she had announced 2 months ago but she obviously LOVES screwing with the MSM and has no intention of running this time.
What I DON?T understand is Redstates stupid posts

weyland

…stupid is as stupid does.

Bill S

Next time try a spellchecker. Oh, and post somewhere where they care what you think.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Half way through her term as Governor she got caught in her own ethics law and rather than put up a fight – which she did not have to pay for – she cut and ran and relied on the most pathetic of excuses. Her record is nothing more than that of a second rate political opportunist and a coward.

floridaveteran

Alaska law only pays for legal bills to defend ethics complaints for the legislature. The Gov. was required to pay her own legal bills against all the ethics complaints from the leftards.
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/230280/sarah-palin-form-new-defense-fund

Jack_Savage

…as an answer to lineholder. I got all screwed up with Reply To This, and kind of replied to you both in one long post. Didn’t want you to think I did not respond to you.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words. And I understand your disagreement.

Best,
Jack

Tanggor

You want to call Erick childish, yet can?t even spell the man?s name correctly? You Palinistas are getting almost as bad as the Ronulans.

And I say that as a guy who genuinely likes Sarah. But Erick has a point, and he has made that point (very pointedly) with this series of posts. If Sarah wants a seat in the big game, she better figure out that one has to do, or not do ? there is no try (my inner Yoda?).

Look, let?s be real ? at this stage, come November 2012, I?ll bloody well vote for a Republican ham sandwich over the absolute putz we?ve got at 1600 right now if the sandwich wins the nomination. Even with stale bread and no mayo.

Add some bacon and I?ll even make a campaign contribution.

But Erick is right on this, and let?s face it ? no one likes a tease. Washington politics is not a kid?s game. It?s brutal, nasty warfare. Sarah should know that already. I understand that after her previous experience it would give her pause. But the pause has lasted too long. Play, or don?t play.

Now, I just checked with the ham sandwich upstairs in my kitchen, and he said he?s on the fence about running. He really thinks he can do the job, but he?s worried America would never elect a sandwich on multi-grain bread. Whole wheat or white bread, sure, but multi-grain? America?s just not ready.

Not sure what to tell him. So I guess I?ll just eat him and solve it that way.

BTW, Erick is still right. Even if you don?t like it.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

All executives are covered, they simply need a statement from the AG that they are acting in conjunction with their job responsibilities. Just like every other state and every major corporation.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Palin was going to announce her run and decided to put off the announcement to stick her thumb in Erick’s eye?

Yeah, I could actually see her doing that. Rack up another reason why she’s done politically.

Great analysis, twit.

desertfox

“Erickson, this is day one she is running.”
“Erickson, this is day two and she is still running.:
- – - – - – - – - — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –
“Erickson, this is day 200, she is not only running, she is winning.”
Mark my words.,

aesthete

The Tibetans and the Kurds have nothing on Palin supporters when it comes to lost causes.

Bill S

Now I think it pretty much describes the Palin cult to a T

nvrepub

Save the vitriol for the Dems next time.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

The thought is *already* boring me to tears.

pantera

Its only stringing people along if she doesn’t run.
If she does run its just unconventional campaigning.

If she wins it rewrites the ”How to campaign” books.

bonnman

With Florida moving up their primary and Iowa and New Hampshire soon to follow (any other states considering?) There is little time left for anyone else to jump in. Which means we’ll have to pick one of the current nominees, none of which seem to really stand out as exceptional.

williamshipley

Her word has always been it’s too early. This is not a novel idea. John McCain almost ruined himself with a big start and blew through his money getting started too early. Newt passed because he said the long campaigns required too much fundraising just to hire the people to raise funds.

So, with virtually 100% name recognition, she saw no need to get in early while everyone else was trying to get above 50%. She said, reapeatedly that it was too early, and did not promise to announce by September 30, she said that decisions had to be made in the “August, September timeframe”. Not exactly a ‘read my lips’ type of promise.

I suspect she has made her decision in the timeframe and we’ll find out the answer shortly.

gekster

was her drop dead date to anounce a run.
What part of that don’t you understand.

deVere

When someone travels in a campaign bus, go to all the early primary states, makes effective speeches, and releases slick well-made campaign videos, any rational person would assume that they are running for President.

Sarah Palin has set a new standard for feckless narcissism that may never be equalled. It seems that the reason she isn’t running is she’s afraid she would be elected, and then she would have to do the difficult job of President.

Sarah is having a worse year than the Boston Red Sox, who at least wanted to win.

fadetobolivia

I’m also confused as to what the point of all of this was.

To stick a thumb in the eye of Palin and her supporters? Is a day of hourly Ron Paul “updates” coming up also? Neither one “will be the nominee.”

Palin could obviously care less what everyone thinks, as long as the spotlight is on her. Ironically, that’s exactly what this day long waste of RedState front page real-estate accomplished.

A single satirical post documenting Erik’s hour-by-hour shock as the deadline came and went would have had the same sarcastic effect. Palin’s faux deadline isn’t worth a day-long dedication. There were far more substantive diaries which could have been getting front page attention instead of the Palin spam.

But as I’m sure will be pointed out to me, this isn’t my site and I don’t have to read it.

wolfplus3

I agree…. enjoy reading the comments generally, but this was a bit much. So now we have “Paulbots”, “Palinistas”, etc. etc…..

Whatever, have fun…. or not

RS

EDITOR OF REDSTATE

I told you people she was not running

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