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I Hate You

Since I managed to make just about every Sarah Palin fan on earth mad on Friday by quoting Palin, I decided I would go on and make everyone else mad too. I keep getting the “you’re Rick Perry’s guy” stuff now, which follows on the “you’re Tim Pawlenty’s guy” and the “you’re MIchele Bachmann’s guy” and the “you’re Herman Cain’s guy”, all of with mix with the healthy ramblings of the out of touch who accuse me of being “Mitt Romney’s guy.”

I actually am no one’s guy because I think none of the above are truly stellar candidates. I was, in fact, in 2008 quite excited about Mitt Romney until I felt like every other day there was another changed position and I couldn’t rationalize in my mind how someone could change so much on so much from 2002 to 2008.

This year, I’ve been excited by Cain and Bachmann and Pawlenty and Perry, if only to be a healthy alternative to Mitt Romney so we can finally have a debate on the consistency of the conservative message before getting to Obama. After all, we just had a pile of Republicans run in 2010 as tea party conservatives only to see them go to Washington and have guys like Allen West vote more with House Republican leaders than against.

So I kind of want to be cautious. And while I’m willing to settle for Mitt Romney, I think even though the GOP typically nominates the guy who has waited in line there are times we need to break out of the habit and this year is one of those times.

But, just so I don’t lose my well earned reputation of hating on everybody, below the fold, I’ll tell you precisely what it is about each of the candidates that I don’t much care for. You can take it or leave it. I speak for no one but myself.

Michele Bachmann

What I don’t like about Michele Bachmann is her lack of substance. I know the Bachmann team and supporters will disagree, but this is my view.

We have, by most accounts, one of the sharpest, quickest studies in the House of Representatives campaigning on an emotionally driven campaign that is selling the repeal of Obamacare and angry at Barack Obama and the GOP establishment. That’s all well and good, but anger only sustains you for a while.

Michele Bachmann is the only tax attorney running for President. Hell, she may be the only tax attorney to ever run for President. That background gives her probably a more substantive background on which to run a campaign on real issues than any of the other candidates and instead she focuses on HPV vaccines and raw emotion about the state of things in Washington.

It all comes back to optimism, and I know she is trying to convey it, but I don’t think it comes through the doom and gloom.

Herman Cain

Everyone knows I know Herman. I took over his radio show when he left to run. I feel obligated to support Herman, though in my capacity here I try my best to call it as I see it.

And what I see from Herman is a campaign with a lot of passion and a lot of optimism, but with a campaign strategy to get attention for the sake of getting attention. Herman says the bold things to get attention. He campaign comes out with the bold plans to get attention. They come out with the catchy “999″ to get attention. The campaign gets outraged at the outrage to get outrageous amounts of attention.

I first started thinking about this back when Herman left his radio show and I did an “exit” interview for him. In 2008, he wrote a column favoring TARP and at one point had come out against auditing the federal reserve. By the time the campaign rolled around, he said if he knew how TARP was going to work out, he’d have opposed it (but it worked out exactly as planned) and nuanced himself on the fed. That suggested he was trying to be the perfect tea party candidate, but I think Herman would have been stronger being Herman instead of the perfect candidate.

For an upstart campaign that is understandable. But it also does not come across (again, it is just me here) as either a well oiled machine or wholly credible. It’s more Great White Hype than Great White Hope, but black of course. And, if I’m really honest with myself, I’m really upset Herman is doing so, so well right now because I really, really, really want him to come home and primary Saxby Chambliss.

Newt Gingrich

What I don’t like about Gingrich is pretty straight forward. He’s always come across as the guy who thought it was his turn. I know way too many people who thought Gingrich should have run years ago, but Gingrich decided this was his time and he’d be greeted as a hero. Except it did not work out that way. And in the past few years, Gingrich has been on the wrong side of just about every single high-profile fight between conservatives and the GOP establishment from Dede Scozzafava to Bob Bennett.

People forget that in the Coup of 1998, House moderates stood with Newt Gingrich against conservatives. That’s all I ever really needed to know. But then beyond that, Newt comes to the field with a ton of personal baggage that I just can’t get passed. He is too deeply flawed to be my choice for nominee.

Jon Huntsman

Forget my problem with Huntsman himself — being the President’s Ambassador while clearly deciding to run for President against his own boss. But it goes to a bigger issue for me — loyalty and ambition.

And that comes across in the campaign. Huntsman has a profoundly conservative economic plan and has had some sharp things to say on foreign policy. But his campaign can be basically summed up as a middle finger to conservatives. He picks issues like global warming and evolution on which to separate himself from the pack. He tells lame jokes that come off as snide during the debates.

Then there is Utah, a state that would pick Romney over Huntsman and, when the former Governor of Utah moved home from China, decided against running a campaign from and moved to Florida. Then there is his faith — he tells reporters he’s more a spiritual person than a Mormon. While Herman Cain has made these tweaks to himself to get the attention as the perfect candidate for the tea party, Huntsman has made his tweaks to be the perfect candidate in the media. And along the way, he’s shown no loyalty for his faith, his home, his base, or much of anything else.

Huntsman could be a great leader except he knows he’s the smart, super ambitious guy. And he wants the rest of us to know it too. That’s a profoundly dumb strategy.

Ron Paul

Ron Paul has a dazzling economic message, has been proven substantively right on plenty of issues, but his foreign policy is insanity. He may be the perfect libertarian, but he scares the crap out of me and many others.

His campaign is much more polished this time and if he’d just keep his talking points to economic matters, he would not have seen his numbers fall so sharply of late. But while Paul’s economic message rallies many libertarian minded supporters, his foreign policy dazzles the worst of the left. It’s intolerable.

But there is more to it than that. Ron Paul will not nuance anything. And that may be awesome to the kids who love him — and I am struck by the profound lack of maturity in many of the people, regardless of age, who support Paul as some sort of messiah. I’m no fan of Michael Gerson, but I think this is pretty spot on:

If Objectivism seems familiar, it is because most people know it under another name: adolescence. Many of us experienced a few unfortunate years of invincible self-involvement, testing moral boundaries and prone to stormy egotism and hero worship. Usually one grows out of it, eventually discovering that the quality of our lives is tied to the benefit of others. Rand’s achievement was to turn a phase into a philosophy, as attractive as an outbreak of acne.

Ron Paul talks truth to power, but it is a cold truth that sees a handful of his supporters cheering on the thought of letting a hypothetical 26 year old with no health insurance die instead of the state paying to bring him back to good health.

Rick Perry

No matter how often I may say Perry is not my guy, I will never dispel the myth since he announced at the RedState Gathering. To be sure, I like Rick Perry a lot. I know him personally. He has been a good friend of this site. And I had hoped Perry could be a good alternative to Romney.

My problem with Perry is pretty straight forward. I’ve been muttering to myself since that third debate, “My God. This guy is undefeated?”

Seriously, his performance has been less than stellar and is reflected in the polls.

My bigger problem with Perry is one many Perry fans and close supporters disagree with me on. I get it, but I still disagree. My problem is that when I hear Perry speak I hear him talking about Texas, not the nation. He sounds too much like a regional candidate — not by accent, but by substance. I don’t like what he did on HPV. I don’t have a problem with his immigration position. But I think it all compounds by what has thus far been an inarticulate vision for the country because he has been so focused on Texas.

Yes, it is true that what he is doing is talking about his record. But I know I’m not alone in hearing it not as his record, but as how awesome Texas is. Okay, I will concede that Texas is awesome despite what we’re hearing from the mainstream media and, more troubling, the conservative commentariat convinced they must disparage Texas to disparage Perry.

Still — Perry is the only candidate on the trail right now that I hear focused on his state, not the nation. Part of that is because Romney does not have the record, he and Perry are the only governors in the race, and that necessitates the other candidates talking about the nation and not what they did for State X. Nonetheless, it bothers me.

He needs a jobs plan now to refocus him on talking about the nation and his vision for the country.

Mitt Romney

I always laugh when people say I am a Mitt Romney guy. Surprisingly, I get that a lot. I was a Mitt Romney guy once. Back in 2007 and early 2008 I fully supported Romney. But my problem now is the same reason I left him then.

He and his family are super people. But Mitt Romney the candidate has been on every side of virtually every issue in modern American politics. That’s the whole reason for my discomfort.

In 2008, Romney ran as a conservative. This year he runs as a centrist. He is one of the least successful politicians to ever run for the Presidency as a top tier candidate, having lost every race but one and then, being unable to win re-election and not wanting that loss to impact his Presidential run, he gave up his re-election bid. Along the way the Romney of today has taken different positions from the Romney of yesterday and from the Romney of the day before and the Romney of the day before that.

That’s my problem. I think Mitt Romney is an opportunist driven by the memory of his father’s failed bid for the Presidency. It impacts both his candor and his positions. And I think it will become a deep, deep vulnerability should he challenge Barack Obama, in the same way John Kerry’s multifaceted positions hurt his run against George W. Bush. To Mitt Romney’s benefit, however, the issue now is our economic situation, not our survival in the face of terrorists.

Rick Santorum

Part of what prompted this post was a phone call on Friday from a Santorum guy wanting to know what my problem is with Santorum. In particular, had Santorum slighted me in some way.

No. My problem with Santorum is straightforward. Like Mitt Romney, Santorum could not win re-election in his home state. Unlike Romney’s state, Pennsylvania is a swing state in which Santorum is polling third. He comes across as too angry on the campaign trail and too desperate. He’s trying to be this year’s Mike Huckabee, but has to fight for it with Bachmann and Cain and he has neither the money nor resume to effectively compete. And despite his rhetoric and occasional name dropping of Jim DeMint’s name, Santorum has a terrible record on fiscal issues in his congressional tenure.

But my biggest problem with Santorum is that given his lack of high polling, his lack of money, and his inability to win re-election in the key swing state of Pennsylvania, I find him a nuisance and distraction whose presence as the seventh or eighth person on stage prevents us from having a more substantive conversation with the six or seven candidates ahead of him who have a better shot at the nomination. And besides, the GOP and Democrats both nominated Senators in 2008 — current Senators no less. Look what happened to them.

COMMENTS

  • tailfins1959

    People get inflamed because they are motivated. It will work itself out. Anger is one of the steps in grieving a loss. They know their candidate won’t be the nominee. Just give them time and space.

  • eabjr

    It is always good when one explains themselves a little better; good move, right move, and well articulated. The “palin thing” …because of its oddity…left a lot of folks scratching the ol’ proverbial noggin, and suspicions naturally arose. We all want Obama gone, and are passionate about it…so, its not surprising the “back and forth” amongst all of us who are concerned about just settling for the “same ol’”.

  • oldphart

    to air your opinions. I read thembut I don’t always share therm. Case in point: Your hourly comments on Sarah’s non-decision. At best, your effort was childish and at worst it was… well, childish.

    You managed to make me (at least) lose some respect for your efforst. My opinions are every bit as good as yours and I have almost NO respect for any of the presently declared Republican candidates. Unless there is a sea-change of some sort I will vote for Sarah WETHER OR NOT SHE IS ON THE BALLOT!

    Have a nice day.

  • rechts

    It’s not a very impressive field. I still haven’t decided on a candidate.

    At this point I’ll probably end up with Romney, as I think only he and Perry are electable, and Perry’s immigration comments are a deal breaker for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hodge.benjamin Benjamin Hodge

    nt

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    with Sarah, we should now draw the conclusion that you’re supporting her.

    I really miss Franz. At six inches tall he was head and shoulders better and smarter than the lot of our candidates. All of whom are better than The Won.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And that?s what Ron Paul is selling.

    You think we had a lot of people falling behind on their mortgages before? Wait until you see the Ron Paul Gold Standard.

  • wkeller

    You post sequence was simply childish. If you want to be taken seriously, then act like a grownup. The hourly updates got old after 2 posts, foolish after 6 an simply fell off the chart by the end of the day.

    I could give a crap who you support, I come here because the posts I read are usually thoughtful, detailed and informative. Once that stops, I’ll move on.

    As for the candidates this year – heavy sigh. I see Perry, Romney and Bachman as the final 3. (of course, I realize my opinion doesn’t mean a damn thing either) Of those, I could support Perry the most and Bachman the least – but all would be far superior to the “man in the chair” today.

    I expect more from you Eric than what was produced by the Palin countdown, and you certainly are capable of much more. So bring your “A” game, leave the rest of the crap in the closet.

  • gekster

    Thought your cat was the political one.

  • fightnright

    my own conundrum during this election

    I’ve been hating *myself* this past month. I’ve begun to morph into an icy blooded, seemingly principle-less poll watcher, not a conservative candidate’s cheerleader; a reflection of this immensely frustrating (heartbreaking) field in such a critical election. I’ve felt I’ve had to justify my lack of zeal for any players on my beloved rightwing team in my posts here, but thank you Erick… for taking all the heat and articulating for me so well all the reasons why – a very important post.

  • acat

    You said it exactly, EE.

    Perry needs to stop talking about his record and start talking about his optimistic vision. Perry also needs to be himself.

    Cain has the optimism and the vision, but needs to be himself, and he needs to let some of these softballs go by… All publicity is not good, at least not in the short term. (Quick.. anyone up to a vacation in Love Canal or Three Mile Island?)

    Both are also devolving into the same over-messaged caricature of themselves, doing SNL’s work for ‘em.

    Mew

    p.s. Romney also needs to be hit on personnel fumbles…

  • annplato

    The poor guy is morbidly obese and he knows that the mainstream media will have a field day with his looks. Christie said it at one time” look at me”, and I do believe that said it all. Maybe in about 4 or 8, years when he will shed a few tens of pounds as Limbaugh did, he might consider it, but not now.

    Erick is only voicing his feelings of this crowd of candidates and opts for the ones that would most likely be able to beat Obama. I am of the same mind-set.

    So far the only candidate that has optimism and makes me hopeful is Herman Cain. Of course he will have to say something regarding that stupid rock on Rick Perry’s hunting ground, but that does not make him less capable to give a run for the money against Obama.

    Sarah Palin would be the one who most likely would be able to unite the Republican Party, but I can understand her reluctance to jump into the “fray”: once you?ve burned your lips with hot porridge, you blow on ice cream too. I think that once the field will become obvious that none are capable to unite the Party of Conservatives, she will get in.

    For now, I see Herman Cain as being closest to become the Republican nominee, if he can get some more money from supporters.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    but The Prince decided against it. He hated cold weather and he saw the Barney Christmas video and spiked the campaign. It’s too bad, I’m sure the white dog would have mopped up the black doofus.

  • westcoastpatriette

    I guess I am a little disappointed that so many of Palin’s supporters were unable to laugh at the satirical nature of your posts on Friday. I’m tiring of everyone reading ulterior motives into every word spoken and thinking the worst of each other. Hopefully, we will reunite after the primaries and work together to defeat the O no matter who wins.

    With respect to who I support, disappointed as I am in Perry–and I share your criticism that he is naively focusing on Texas too much–I still see him as the strongest choice in the race and I think he will get his bearings soon. He simply must address the immigration issue from a federal viewpoint and put to rest peoples’ concerns on that front. He has too many strengths to throw him out at this stage and I think his reputation as a fierce campaigner will begin to be seen soon. We shall see.

  • jeffperren

    You had me until the gratuitous slam against Objectivism from compassionate conservative Gerson, which neither you nor he understands well enough to intelligently criticize.

    Objectivism advocates reason, rational self-interest, and laissez-faire capitalism — all three philosophically unassailable and views you share. It also advocates, by extension, adherence to and respect for the U.S. Constitution, and many traditional American values – individualism, self-reliance, honesty, productiveness, live and let live, and others — all of which you also hold dear.

    If you want to argue against Objectivism, fine. I can do that pretty well, too. But you should know what you’re objecting too, first.

    Now back to discussing the candidates…

  • gekster

    Sometimes he was the smartest person on the page.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Embedded in Erick’s story about him running for city council.

  • wennejunk

    Imagine…if all the Sarah Palin supporters did that in the general election we could elect Obama again…yay!!!

    Nose…face…spite, etc

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Isn’t half of America supposed to be obese?

    Wouldn’t that make him very representative :-)

  • gekster

    What did Franz do with it, if he got it.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I do agree with some that the Palin stuff was, at the very least, boring after a while.

    Can you please hate Chris Christie for me since he’s my favorite today after Cain’s stupid comment.

    My list right now:

    Daniels (obligatroy)
    Christie
    Cain
    Gingrich
    Perry
    Romney
    Bachmann
    The Rest

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Of course, if it was delivered when Mrs908 & I were out, then Franz ate it before we got home. A distinct possibility.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt

  • Change Jar Conservative

    nt

  • freentn

    .

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    in some nefarious way.

  • wacowboy

    I was this close to becoming a Cain guy. Then within one week, he says that he would endorse Romney if he himself was not the nominee. Then he goes on the offensive against the only “conservative” (outside of himself) who has a chance of winning the nomination and beating BHO, even invoking a notorious hit piece written by the left-wing media. He was winning me over with his “I’m not going to attack others, I’ll let my message speak for itself” approach. All it took was one week to throw his gains into the dumpster.

    I can’t blame Perry for talking about his record. He’s the only one of the candidates with an acutal record worth running on. He does need to focus on a positive vision of America — something his latest ad does quite well IMO.

    Perry and Cain are in my mind the two best candidates for President in this field.

  • iidvbii

    If this plan of yours is ment as some sort of protest. Might I suggest you take a page from palin and just not show up. You see this way you can have the double satisfaction of imulating your appearant hero and save the tax payer the cost of providing and counting your wasted ballot.

  • wacowboy

    is why some who bash Perry for Texas policy on college tuition and see that as enough to write him off would then be clamoring for Christie. As I understand his positions, Christie’s positions on many issues fall to the left of Perry, esp on immigration matters.

    And the same with Romney

  • jeffperren

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy is completely at odds with Rand’s views and that implied by Objectivism. Also, she would never have endorsed his views on abortion, Catholicism, race, earmarks, and a dozen other issues.

    Like many libertarians, he adopts some of her economic philosophy while misunderstanding – as you do – her moral philosophy. Not surprising, then, that he gets as much of Rand’s views wrong as you do.

    Her politics, and even more so, her morality, was grounded in her epistemology and her ontology and view of human nature. Agree or disagree, but to argue against the first requires understanding the second.

  • Kyle-MI

    There are definitely some I have written off, but I want to keep my options open. Too many people give their hearts to a candidate only to get it broken. There is still plenty of campaign left and plenty of time to more thoroughly vet the candidates. I don’t want us coalescing around someone only to find out at the last minute about some ugly revelation. Obama is extremely weak and beatable by most of the top candidates. All of the current GOP candidates have their warts but most of them would be stellar presidents compared to the current one.

  • iidvbii

    Perry may not make you happy on a single issue, but my god investigate Romney. As stated above the guy has been on every side of everything, Perry at least has conviction. If it’s a single issue decision which is worse? Providing children the option of being tax paying hard working citizens or providing the government an ideal engine to overtake every aspect of It’s citizens lives? Romney Care whether he and his supporters admit it or not was the blue print used for obamacare. This is undeniable. This despite his objections ties him to both Obama and the underlying liberal ideology Obama represents.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Mostly because they don’t want Mom’s infidelity baggage dragged through the mud.

  • http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

    I’m not sure who is advising Cain to make controversial statements, but they need to realize they’ve entered into another phase of the campaign.

    Herman, you’ve reached the top level. You’re in the spotlight now.

    You’re the candidate everyone likes–they like your ideas; they like your personality; they like your background.

    Now you’ve got to convince everyone you’re they candidate they can trust. The candidate they can trust with the nomination. The one without any baggage; the one that will articulate a vision; the one that can beat Obama;and most of all, the one that won’t blow it by making some gaffe.

    I’m not saying play it safe by any means, but play it like you are the lead dog (because you now are).

  • gekster

    It couldn’t be his statement to enforce the Federal laws on the books, is it.

  • Whacker77

    Sarah Palin would be “most likely” to unite the Republican party? Hah! That’s just crazy. She quit her governorship after two years because she couldn’t take the heat, but we’re supposed to make her president where the heat will be 100 times greater?

    The woman is playing her supporters like a fiddle all the way to the bank.

  • Scope

    Cain accurately I think. He said that now that Cain won the straw poll, and has gained much attention to put him in the top tier, he feels like he has to act differently now with his new found status. He said Cain now believes he has to be against everything like the Perry rock thingy, and the booing at the gay soldiers question at the debate. So, Cain was well liked for his being for something, rather than against things. If he keeps up with his recent comments, he will be as disliked as the rest for becoming the opposite of what gained him attention to begin with. He’s on a slippery slope for sure.

  • http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

    I don’t agree with your reasoning regarding referring to past accomplishments, Erick. Perry has some good ones and some with which I also disagree. But I cannot help agreeing with your conclusion: the Perry team needs a jobs plan that relates to the entire nation and not simply to one state.

    I think that is what one questioner was asking him in NH at the Derry townhall meeting, but he deflected the question. Perry understands that government does not create jobs. He knows we need to decrease taxes and regulations. But he also needs a spiffy plan that can be used as a soundbite. No sarcasm intended – he needs to keep it simple for the media and the public both.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    are among the dumbest people on earth.

    Have a fun time over at c4p and remember to zip up when you leave the basement.

  • freentn

    his poor debate performances create much doubt about his ability to beat Hillary and Trump in a 3 way race.

    I have a hunch that the ultimate winner is going to be a big surprise to most just like 2008.

  • acat

    Cain needs to be the stable one – the “rock”, if you will – because he’s the one with the least government-executive experience.

    Running a nationwide trade association and turning around a pizza chain put Cain miles ahead of Ron Paul, Bachmann, and Santorum, but it doesn’t stand up to Perry and Romney’s governorships. There’s a window here because Romney’s nickname should be waffles, and Perry’s stepped all over his {tongue} .. but it will be closing fast.

    Mew

  • freentn

    to be the Republican Nominee.

  • pantera

    Palin: There is still a lot of contemplation that goes on within a family, deciding whether to engage in such a life-changing venture, putting yourself forward in the name of service, in such a position as President of the United States. So, we?re still thinking about it, and the impact on family.

    Family comes first in my life, and I just don?t want to adversely affect the family. So, we?re still talking about it, thinking about it. And that?s what I want supporters to understand.

    At the same time, I want to be very fair to supporters and not keep them hanging on in perpetuity. It?s fair to them to give them an answer here, in short order, so that they can jump on board with someone else, and/or to decide for themselves what they want to do. So, still haven?t made up my mind, haven?t decided when that announcement would be yet.

    David Brody: Is that short order by the end of September? October?

    Palin: I think that that is a fair timeline for people, because Fall time, they can start getting engaged with different campaigns, but still thinking about it, and really, really desiring to be a participant in the positive change that needs to happen in this country.

    Economy getting back on the right track. Jobs created for Americans. I want to be a part of that, whether it be as a candidate, or as a supporter of the right candidate. I?m still in that decision making phase.

  • gekster

    No stateing facts you can’t back up.

    You’re slipping.

  • acat

    Go to this Unlikey Voter page and play around creating your own Electoral College map for Palin.

    Be aware that the deadlines to get on the ballot in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are coming up very fast, and with Florida moving to late January, it’s almost here as well.

    Yes, the Electoral College doesn’t directly parallel the GOP delegate system, but it’s close enough for our purposes.

    Show me what States Sarah needs to win the nom, then show me how she does it, especially if she – as she appears likely to do – skips the first three.

    Mew

  • freentn

    to being duped by LSM Interviewers and Debate Moderators. You don’t accomplish what Cain has accomplished in life being unprepared and foolishly shooting off the hip.

  • snowshooze

    Either way?
    No, I don’t really care. Sure, if she got in, won the nomination, I would line up.
    I saw that Cain interview, and it was actually quite non-challant sp?
    Something I can overlook, not a Bachmann rant.
    Erick, did you catch that MSNBC Perry interview along with Rick Scott? There were topics touched on including job creation and bporder enforcement that were pure common sense, it was the best interview of Perry I have seen to date. Here it is again…I highly recommend looking at it.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/29/perry-its-the-federal-governments-fault-i-had-to-implement-in-state-tuition/

    I hope Christie gets in, even though they all say he is a moderate, 2nd amendment soft, etc. etc. He is tough. He is reasonable, in the end, he can bring consensus through sound principles, at least I like to think so.
    I am an EOH. Equal opportunity hater. I hate all races, creeds and colors equally and nobody get’s the prize of being first. This presents a nice even field.
    BTW, you are doing just fine. Keep up the good work!
    I been thrown outta here what, two or three times…( For dumb stuff I said that were either not allowed or just mis-understood ) I always come crawling back. And you guys explained my error, and allowed me. This is a great site.
    Some people take themselves so seriously they can’t take a playful jab. We can’t take those people seriously…seriously.

  • stint

    Thank you.

  • runner12

    NT

  • freentn

    outspoken in his criticism of Cain. Rush would not be criticizing Cain like that if he thought he might be the nominee. I was very surprised by the criticism that Rush has leveled at Cain today.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The woman has been dragging her family around on the campaign trail and the reality circuit for three years. It doesn’t take that long to make a decision, and frankly, if it does take her that long to decide it’s simply one more nail in her coffin – we don’t need another dithering President – and that’s exactly what she’d be.

    Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

  • Vegas_Rick

    Until she outed herself as an unprincipled opportunist. Now, I wish she would just go away. Having said that, I think that Erick’s Palin stunt on Friday was annoying and childish. I read Redstate everyday for the type of analysis in his post today.

  • runner12

    the candidates. They are not weak, per se. But they are not perfect, which may turn out to be a good thing. Here is why: Obama was elected out of an emotion and grandiose speeches. He was a messiah-like figure for many, a notion that is not compatible with a republican form of government.

    I do not want someone who is perfect our drummed up as the one who can “save” the country. Because then people will get comfortable again and cease being engaged as they are now. I want someone who can articulate the conservative message well and who is not heck-bent on undermining the greatness of this country and what it is founded upon. If we elect solid conservativses for Senate and the House and a conservative on 90% of the issues, we will be able to roll back the destruction Obama and his ilk have wreaked upon the country.

    Now if Demint would run for President, then all petty squabbles would cease :) . He is a true American hero with a solid dose of humility to boot, which would innoculate him from the hero-worship. But since he is not running, I will settle for him being Senate Majority Leader.

  • runner12

    That would be ” elect a PRESIDENT who is a conservative on 90% of the issues”.

  • pantera

    I guess that settles it. Cancel the debates and elections. I guess the winners are already chosen.

    Now I wont have to waste time,effort,treasure voting :-)

  • Darin_H

    :)

    And I think the reason this primary season has become especially nasty is that we have a great shot at winning the general election no matter who the nominee is (even Ron Paul, nuts as he is on foreign policy).

  • freentn

    were extraordinarily insightful.

    It gives me a new perspective especially of Cain.

    Having said that I don’t follow your assesment of Huntsman and Newt. I sense that you don’t like them but I am not sure why.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    there is no text here. I have to type a unique comment though, or it will return an error that I’ve already entered this comment once.

  • snowshooze

    Just in case you haven’t had enough yet…

    “Ultimately, a decision will be made and we will all be privy to it. Those who?ve mocked and derided her for stringing along her supporters while not planning to run and seeking only publicity and attention will probably be proven wrong, and left to scramble with something somewhat comprehensible in response, while those who?ve had to deal with the scorn and endless name-calling will watch in amusement. For those who laugh last, laugh best.”

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’d love to pop over when she runs away from this one and post a ha ha.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    “…will probably be proven wrong…”

    Heh.

  • Aaron Gardner

    No sense in giving them the traffic.

    http://www.redstate.com/abierubin/2011/10/02/a-palin-victory-doesn%e2%80%99t-depend-on-a-date/

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    The Great Pumpkin will be here before midnight!

  • snowshooze

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/10/what-a-palin-nomination-depends-on.html

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And, FWIW, I asked for the link so I didn’t have to add to their traffic looking for it. :-)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt…

  • snowshooze

    I should have noticed you link, Aaron.

  • dianecee

    I agree with everything Erick stated. But, please, dont’ go Governor Christie on us next week. As a resident of NJ, I can confirm that taxes went up, jobs have disappeared, there are more freebies for the welfare recipients, our elderly are swept under the rug, more and more money for “special interest” education at the risk our brightest and most likely to succeed, wasted monies on gambling and entertainment centers, illegal immigration is at its highest, poltiicans who go home to NYC at the end of the day,,,,,and the wrongs can go on and on and on. Why are we allowing campaign donators to decide who will run this crooked “gubmint”.

  • Finrod

    .

  • acat

    How about showing how she wins?

    Mew

  • larrywelsh

    Ol’ Double E got in to a snit with me for having the temerity to support Gary Johnson, but the truth remains that Governor Johnson is the best candidate the GOP has. His record as Governor is vastly superior to Romney, Perry and Huntsman. Growth rate: Higher, Budget Surplus: Check, Tax Cuts: Check, Popularity in his Home State: Check. He has better business experience than Cain in that he started his own business and grew it to be the largest construction employer in NM, plus unlike Cain he’s actually won elected office, and did so (twice) in a 2-1 Democrat state. He can win the swing states, unlike Santorum. He’s focused on balancing the budget immediately, not in 10, 20 or 30 years like Bachman. His ideology comes from the perspective of Cost/ Benefit not the ramblings of Murray Rothbard like Ron Paul. Oh that’s right he’s pro-choice, but that didn’t stop the NRLC from endorsing him in both Gubernatorial elections, and he’s against late-term abortions and is for parental consent. Yes, he’s a long shot but no more so than Santorum, Bachman, Gingrich, Cain or Huntsman.

  • keepourrepublic

    Erick said, “below the fold, I?ll tell you precisely what it is about each of the candidates that I don?t much care for” and Erick had nothing bad to say about Gary Johnson. Does that mean that Erick is now “Gary Johnson’s Guy”?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Noticed a bunch of links from this post…

    People are clicking.

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt

  • barleycorn

    Perry and Cain, Cain and Perry, please one or both of you get your whole act together.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    When it is your own website. However, as this is not your own website and this is the second thread you’ve co-opted to call me a spammer, I think you are projecting.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I keep forgetting that.

  • freentn

    ?

  • Bill S

    7-10 eastern, m-f

  • septembergurl

    Bachmann is the candidate who has most disappointed me. The problem is the lack of substance in her campaign. Other candidates — Cain, Gingrich, Romney and Huntsman — have released detailed economic plans and are prepared to discuss and debate them. Bachmann actually has a command of policy and procedure that is impressive — in one of the debates she pointed out that repealing Obamacare is not quite as simple as the stroke of a pen — yet she persists in merely repeating slogans and talking points. She is running as if it’s 2010 and she’s the sweetheart of the Tea Party, rousing the populace.

    Santorum is also in a time warp. In his case it’s the 2008 Republican primary, in which all the candidates, except Paul, were strong supporters of the interventionist, international foreign policy of GW Bush (yes even Mittens, sort of). The support for this has waned even (or especially) among Republicans under Obama, partly because the results are less successful than they were in Iraq, and partly because Obama, while continuing and expanding Bush’s policies, has not supported them rhetorically.

    In 2008, many of the candidates in both parties were Senators — reflecting the salience of foreign policy and the high profile of Senators in debates on foreign policy. This is the tradition Santorum is working in. Unfortunately for him, the issues have changed, people have moved on.

    Cain and Gingrich have gained some traction through their skills, but the lack of discipline and the inability to plan and execute a long term strategy dooms their campaigns. Cain is an adept marketer, but marketing is not enough in promoting an economic plan. Simply put, consumption taxes never produce the income they are supposed to, and the shortfall is made up by raising the income tax portion.

    Cain’s support for TARP merely underlines my basic disappointment in both Cain and Gingrich, that while they are adept critics of Obama and excellent communicators, they are both big government conservatives, and hence the opposite of what we need.

    I actually agree with Erick that Huntsman entered the 2012 race because he saw this as his only chance to win the Presidency. The odds are actually good for whoever the nominee is against Obama, while by 2016 a large number of viable candidates will appear, or the 2012 winner will be pursuing a second term. I don’t find this reprehensible, merely shrewd. A similar thinking is motivating Chris Christie, and probably Rick Perry as well.

    lastly, the issues favor Romney and Paul more than last time. The experience of running for the Presidency and losing can be the basis for a successful campaign. Yet for some reason Romney has corrected many of his flaws while Ron Paul is actually doing worse.

  • garywny

    Some of us just want the best candidate. I am not a huge supporter of Palin and would not vote for her – however, I respect what she’s done for the conservative movement in the country. So count me among the “Palin fans” who were annoyed with the fraternity house posts and comments that took place the other day – it was juvenile and did nothing to advance the cause. In fact your final post “I told you she was not going to run” told me a lot – it started with “I” – this is not about you Eric…it’s about finding a candidate to get our country back. I have great respect for you and watch you everytime I can – but you took a huge crediblity hit over the petty posts – and not just with Palin supporters—with conservatives. Having said that, keep up the great work you’ve done educating the masses….you’re one of the best out there and an important cog in getting the conservative message out.

  • freentn

    stop. I usually cut off the radio after Rush goes off but I am glad to here that Hannity has at least criticized WaPo although he did not criticize Wallace or Cain. Cutting off the radio now.

  • MF

    I was a Palin supporter but realize she’s not running. And I probably wouldn’t support her, given how late it is and how little time there is until the early primaries.

    But you need to give up the line about Palin resigning because she wasn’t able to take the heat. The law that allowed her to be sued by Tom, Dick and Harry Democrat (and also all of the RINOs who didn’t like her, either) was going to bleed the state dry.

  • http://www.redstate.com/thesophist TheSophist

    Great post; love the analysis. But for my own understanding, your problems with the candidates are as follows:

    Perry: Regional
    Romney: Flip Flopper
    Cain: Second-Tier Campaign Organization
    Bachmann: No Substance
    Paul: Crazy Foreign Policy
    Huntsman: Unprincipled
    Gingrich: Not Conservative
    Santorum: Angry Guy

    If that’s the more-or-less basic criticism, then it seems to me that we really have only three choices: Perry, Cain, and Bachmann.

    All three have issues that are related to messaging and campaigning, rather than issues related to who they are and what they actually believe.

    Huntsman, Romney, and Gingrich all have issues on principles — we don’t quite know where each gentleman is coming from, whether they really mean what they’re saying this time around, and there are reasons to doubt their sincerity.

    Paul is consistent, but to your point, his foreign policy stance is worrisome. I’d have some real issues with supporting Paul, while granting that the guy has been consistent.

    Santorum is consistent, we know who he is, where he’s coming from, and I don’t think we can say he’s just running on the basis of ambition. But to your point, Erick, he’s too much the Angry Guy and he’s not doing well in his home state. That’s a problem. I suspect he drops out of the race soon.

    So at this early stage of the contest, seems to me the principled conservative’s choices are as above: Perry, Cain, and Bachmann.

    Here’s what I’d like to see from each of them (and this is speaking as a Cain Guy For Now):

    - Perry needs to show me some real communication skills. I’ve been floored by his personal lack of communication ability (something he’s admitted on record with Fox News, saying “Everybody knows I’m not the best debater up there”). For a lifelong politician, I’d have expected something better.

    - Perry also needs to start talking more about what he would do as President of the United States, and less about what he’s done as the Governor of Texas. Yes, run on your record, but really, start telling us what you would DO once in office.

    - Cain needs to upgrade his campaign staff immediately. I saw that his Communications Director resigned, to be replaced by an old hand from the DoD. Maybe we’d see similar shakeups in the campaign now that Cain is no longer a Who Dat candidate and one of the top tier contenders.

    - Cain needs to stop following the MSM script, and dancing to the MSM tune. I hope he’d take a page out of Palin’s effective use of social media and freezing out the MSM to understand that every single time he’s in front of a camera with some “journalist”, he’s being setup to fail, that they’re trying to play a “gotcha” game with him. They’re not interested in his answers or what he really thinks or anything; they’re just trying to find something they can use to bury him and make him unacceptable.

    - Cain needs to start putting some heavyweights together for his advisory boards. Especially on foreign policy; he’d do very well to show us that he has the ability to recruit and retain some real serious men and women who really know their stuff. That’s what I’m banking on with Cain; that he himself may not know, but he has the leadership chops to find and recruit those who do. Show me.

    - Bachmann needs to back off of all the distractions. HPV thing hurt. I’d like to see a plan from Bachmann, leveraging her expertise, that lays out exactly what President Bachmann would do.

    - Bachmann also needs to find a way to be more likable. I’m sorry, but there’s something really chilly and offputting about the woman on TV. Maybe that’s something she can’t fix, maybe that’s just how she comes across on TV, but… sorry, Michele… need to see if you can project that sunny confident image.

  • lab4liberty

    and this is my first Redstate post so please be kind as I attempt to run with the big dogs!

    I’ve tried very hard to be realistic and keep an open mind about every candidate. They’re not making it easy! I’ve been disappointed with all of them at some point.

    I agree with Erick that Perry’s debate performances have been very disappointing. Bachmann was good when she wasn’t hammering away with her numerous kids and titanium spine but then she went off the HPV deep end. I think Romney is a smart business man who has a lot to offer but I don’t trust him to hold the conservative line. Paul is right on many issues but then he goes crazy Uncle Ron on foreign policy. Newt is nothing short of brilliant but he lost me with the Pelosi global warming thing. Santorum seems like a nice enough guy but he’s trying way too hard. Huntsman does absolutely nothing for me.

    I’m so glad Herman is finally getting some attention but I’m afraid he may blow it he keeps playing to the media or whatever he’s doing.

    As for Christie, Palin and now I hear maybe Huckabee again, either get in or go away! Maybe Erick’s Palin posts were a little excessive but I certainly understand his frustration. I am so sick of the will he/she or won’t he/she game I want to scream!

    Bottom line…I do not want another 4 years of Obama. I will strongly support any of the above when they get the nod…..but I hope it’s Herman!

  • Jim Tomasik

    So I could cut you off.

  • onemovoter

    We’ll have to see what Cain says since Hannity is on top of the false story and will probably challenge Cain on it.

    I wish Cain hadn’t jumped at the race bait. He could have said he hadn’t read up on the story and couldn’t comment on it until he looked into it further. He then could have come out later and really nailed the WaPo which then Cain would be getting even more support.

  • bzip

    I am sorry this is some what off the specific topic:

    I am confused by these two different polls, both released after the last debate and not much difference in the time frame that they were conducted on:

    Released on Monday September 26th is the:
    CNN/ORC International Poll during September 23-25th (that would be after the last debate):
    Perry 28%, Romney 21%, Gingrich 10%, Cain 7%
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/09/26/rel16a-1a.pdf

    Then released on Wednesday September 28th out comes the Fox poll taken during September 25-27 time frame:
    Romney 23%, Perry 19%, Cain 17%, Gingrich 7%
    http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/09/28/fox-news-poll-gop-race-top-tier/

    I am having a very difficult time understanding how in a short period of time these numbers could be changed so drastically (keeping in mind that each poll was conducted after the last debate on Thursday September 22).

    Does anyone have any idea why these two polls are so different in there results?

  • freentn

    Nothing he says now after the CNN Wolf Blitzer Interview and the Fox Wallace Interview will change my mind about him now. Not interested in hearing him try to spin his way out of the mess he created. He can’t undo the damage that he has done to the Republican Party.

  • snowshooze

    And I think that poor old Perry has to formulate a response to all the questions… translate from Texan to English ( In his halting manner ) and somehow spit it out.
    It is funny to watch.
    But when he is on-game, he does ok.
    Cain is just the same…he struggles to communicate and it takes patience to just sit back and wait for it to come. In the interviews, they crowd him, he needs to give himself 30 seconds to delay any response to let it congeal. I have personally utilized this method when in rough water…no matter the answer..30 seconds ( or something ) in consideration prior to responding.
    I suspect that it comes out wrong or mis-understood at times.
    We shall all await clarification to the latest.
    I try to look at the big picture, and MSM is concentrating on sound bites.

  • snowshooze

    All thumbs here.
    Ok…time to work.

  • freentn

    of the most recent polls.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

  • Bill S

    That’s why you have a blog with millions of hits a month, a radio show, and are a CNN commentator, right?

    Oh – wait – that’s not you, that’s Erick.

    Sorry, I guess you’re just a legend in your own mind.

  • aesthete

    I feel very out of sorts in this election: while I can’t say that the field is any worse than any given years, I have to wonder how a population many times the size of early America can offer up such truly terrible and/or flawed candidates. “Better than Barack Obama” still holds true for most of them, but is a phrase that is increasingly starting to claw at my throat the more I say it.

  • aesthete

    (With the caveat that free banking, as opposed to the gold standard, might be acceptable. Might.)

  • bzip

    In general I agree with Erick?s summary of the candidates. Not that my opinion much matters but?

    Before Perry got in the race I was closely watching Cain and I was also excited to see Bachmann get in the race. I was inspired by both Bachmann and Cain initially.

    I took a hard look at Cain. Something about him kept coming back to me. Cain?s asset is also his liability, he isn?t a politician. In the end I could not see any path for Cain to win the general. The country already went with the optimistic, the hope the unknown un-experienced candidate in 2008. I really am not fond of someone without any governing experience at this point.

    After Perry entered the race I saw Bachmann?s real faults (as Erick has already mentioned).
    Now I have seen Cain?s faults. Between Cain?s not willing to support Perry if he were the nominee and now the slander fest in which Cain had to step into I have written him off completely.

    I am still with Perry but like so many have already stated: Perry needs to improve his debating skills, his vision and be able to articulate his positions. If Perry could do that, I think he would do very well. We will see.

  • Jim Tomasik

    I tuend in and I’m glad I did.

    Cain just praised the Perry Family for taking action to do something about the offending words on the rock. He said he did not want to have any further issue with this topic.

  • aesthete

    (Let the “trucer” comments commence.)

  • bzip

    Fox’s poll maybe an outliner. If so, I am not sure how Cain comes into the first tier status. Is there any polls other than Fox that is showing Cain a serious first tier candidate?

  • tyman

    he would really be riding a wave, but I think Cain’s comments with Wolf Blitzed and now this are going to hurt him.

    Remember when Newt strongly rebuked the question at the debate by saying I’m not going to fall for your inviting me to attack my fellow candidates.

    C’mon Herb, who’s the really opponent anyway? I thought it was supposed to be Obama.

    Romney would be a career politician if he had won all of those elections, and I think Cain would still be in the Senate if he had beaten Johnny Isakson in the primary (Isakson won in a landslide).

    Just go to Rushlimbaugh.com and see how hard Rush hit Herb today. Rush was really disappointed in him.

    Shame on Herb Cain for falling for such an old trick. It should be obvious that the LSM is trying to fracture the conservatives to open up the door for Romney. Please don’t let this happen!

    When Jimmy (My brain’s in neutral) Carter comes out in favor of Mitt Romney, that should say something: I don’t think Carter’s smart enough to play reverse psychology, and even he knows Obama could pick Romney apart, based on his record.

  • tyman

    Did Sean ask about Herb’s unwillingness to support Perry as the nominee against the Marxist-in-Chief?

  • thirstyboots

    I don’t agree with Paul’s stances on the necessity of a bimetallic standard and his characterization of fractional reserve banking as ?fraud?, but I have no problems with the idea of free-market money.

  • freentn

    Now that Cain has imploded, I guess I am down to Newt unless Perry can make a strong comeback in the next debate.

  • aesthete

    Bachmann’s got a bad case of the crazy eyes. (Sorry, but it’s true.)

  • acat

    What leads you to think that free banking would work significantly differently?

    Mew

  • freentn

    in all the other polls. Don’t be surprised if Cain sinks back down to 5% or lower.

  • bzip

    I hate to say it but if Perry can’t get is act together (and I think he has a little time) I might be headed down the Newt path too.

    I realize nobody is perfect and I don’t expect perfect but it seems like the field is getting smaller and smaller.

    Too bad Rubio doesn’t have a few more years under his belt.

  • ribeye

    I’ve seen this phenomenon quite a bit, with Romney being the ” movement conservative” being endorsed by outlets like National Review, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Erick at RedState, etc., AFTER he signed RomneyCare in 2008.

    Now, in 2012, Romney is suddenly Obama’s evil twin. It’s simply not intellectually honest since the main problem with Romney’s candidacy that we hear over and over is RomneyCare=socialized medicine, yet not a peep about it in 2008 from conservatives when it was already signed into law.

    The stuff about the flip flopping can be said about any candidate. Perry wrote a letter praising Hillary’s work regarding healthcare (which really was socialized medicine). Do I think he’s a closet liberal that secretly supports universal health care? No, and at the end of the day, every GOP candidate will repeal ObamaCare if it gets to his desk.

    I have my toe in Cain’s camp right now, but already I’m seeing some bad stumbles that make me want to buy the “Toyota Camry” of the GOP, Mitt Romney. We simply have a poor field with fatally flawed candidates, so I’m now starting to just look for the guy that I know can close the deal.

  • thirstyboots

    The guy who said that balancing the budget was “right-wing social engineering”? They guy who cant’ even run a campaign? The guy who defended a healthcare individual mandate just a few months ago?

    People are just forgetting why Newt imploded in the first place.

  • bzip

    I forgot about the Newt disaster. Thank you for reminding me. Now I
    don’t know where to go if Perry goes down.

  • freentn

    I was very high on Perry until the last debate but if Perry can’t even beat Mitt in a debate, there is no way he can beat Hillary. Newt would wipe BO or Hillary off the stage regardless of how biased the moderators were.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I think it is sad that a debate (and these are not really true debates) can so color a candidate who has many years of public service in his record to recommend him.

    The same is true in reverse for Newt. He is dazzling in a debate,but his record is of very poor leadership.

  • Scope

    that he praised the Perry family for removing the offending words on the rock, he doesn’t deserve to be forgiven. If he said he didn’t want to address the issue any further that means to me that he barely tried to walk back what he said yesterday in implying that Rick Perry, running for the presidency, left the offensive word for much longer than he should have. Didn’t hear the interview, but, if he was more interested in running away from the issue than addressing the false source that he believed, the WaPo, then he is dodging his complicity in what he said yesterday, and more than once. He also said yesterday that he was sticking with his statement that blacks who vote for Democrats are “brainwashed” shows more than a little stubborness. If Cain can’t admit that he is wrong, or even misinformed, how is that any different than the current president, who always blames someone else first.

    No thanks, no dice.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    by his late entry into the race. The other candidates have been preparing for years in some cases. Perry has only recently begun the process of comprehensively applying his political philosophy to formulate national policy views. Until a few months ago he had a full time job governing Texas.

    Some people may take this as a plus, saying his performance will improve with time as his platform solidifies. I think that is misguided. First, synthesizing a coherent platform for governing the US is not something that can be done quickly. That intellectual process will take a great deal of hard effort over time, with inevitable backtracking on issues. This process will manifest itself as continued bumps and gaffes that will carry over into the general election and will be a signficant headwind if he is the nominee.

    Second, we are essentially being asked to take his national platform on faith. Because he has an appealing philosophy and record at Texas, we are being asked to believe that philosophy and record will produce an appealing national platform and campaign. We are not actually given either, just asked to trust that they will materialize. The burden of proof should be on the candidate.

    Reagan ran unsuccessfully for the party nomination in 1968 and 1976. By the time he won the nomination in 1980, he had 12 full years of preparation for the Presidential Campaign. That was 12 years to think hard about national issues, test his positions with audiences, and articulate them in thousands of forums. It took time to make Reagan into the Reagan he was in 1980. Yet Perry jumps into the race and thinks he can cobble something together in six months.

    And now we have Christie pondering whether he can do it in 3 months?

  • Jim Tomasik

    you ain’t going anywhere with this without hurting Perry just as much.

  • freentn

    interview today. He should have simply apologized to the Perry Family, the Republican Party and the American People and hoped for forgiveness.

    Luke 17:3-4, ?Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There was one of the big burger chains who accepted all of the coupons of the other chains. I remember it because I used a lot of coupons when I was young and unemployed.

    The arguments for free banking are pretty well established, They originate from the Austrian school of economics.

    You can get more information from the writings of any of the George Mason University economists, Walter Williams, Don Boudreaux, Russ Roberts, John Paola.

    The crux of the argument is that competition would insure that the consumer is better off than he is now.

    I don’t claim to be either for or against. My own inclination is that competition and deregulation are almost always the best way to go. But I am unsure that doing away with a central bank would be so beneficial.

  • aesthete

    are problematic. In this country, the several competing banks issued their own scrip, and various stores had their own policy of acceptance. It got very difficult to keep track of what the particular currencies were worth, especially since it was tied to how each bank This made the market in currencies very volatile during that period, and (as far as I can tell) no stable equilibrium ever did result during that 30-40 year period.

    (As a counterpoint, Sweden had a period of free banking that went very well, but then again, most things work pretty well in Scandanavian countries for several reasons.)

    I would definitely be open to seeing more data on free banking, given that I really don’t know much about its practical application in history. (I must also confess that I don’t know much about monetary policy except what I read in Friedman’s books and what we were taught as undergrads for the econ major, which wasn’t much.)

  • http://www.redstate.com/thesophist TheSophist

    might not be a bad strategy for ALL of the candidates.

    Fact is, the GOP primary voter this year is pretty energized. They’ll go to your website to get your positions, if you want to do that.

    I don’t see any reason why the GOP needs CNN or FNC or Google or any of these talking heads to get the message out, to conduct debates, and get the primary voters informed and engaged.

    I mean, if there were a roundtable debate — an actual one — with the major candidates talking and debating with each other instead of answering GOTCHA questions from the MSM, and it wasn’t shown on any TV anywhere, but just streamed live over the Internet… wouldn’t you tune in? I know I would.

    Again, the key thing here to me is that we’re in the GOP PRIMARY, not the General. There’s little reason to get the MSM involved at this stage; even the run of the mill, uninformed and uncaring GOP voter isn’t who these people should be targeting now anyhow. They should be focusing on the engaged, energized, and passionate base — people who post at Redstate and elsewhere for example.

    Hey Erick — organize an online debate/forum wouldja? Just stream the thing live over the Web and you’ll get the right people tuning in.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    What did Cain have to say?

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    about going to a gold standard. I wondered how it would be possible for a nation like the USA to go to a gold standard when we only own a very small percentage of the worlds gold.

    I asked wouldn’t it be deflationary if we tried to peg all of our currency to our limited amount of bouillon?

    None of them had a satisfactory answer. Note that I am a libertarian conservative and I am highly sympathetic to most free market ideas, but this one just does not make a lot of sense.

  • bzip

    I agree, it is sad but any candidate has to be able to get their positions, visions across to people. Not that I think he has to be a great debator but he does have to get his message across.

    Very poor bad debates by anyone will be sounds bites played over and over on the news 7/24.

  • freentn

    Show today, nor did he criticize the WaPo story. He stuck with his defamatory remarks about the Perry Family.

  • onemovoter

    Many of us here try to keep things honest. I really like your take on things and look forward to seeing more.

  • pdawk

    the reality is that his positions as he has stated them since 2008 when I first came to know the guy are pretty much inline with what I believe. I also think he is an incredibly smart guy, articulate on the issues and would blister Obama in a debate. Finally, people need to realize that it is important we have a guy on that ticket that not only wins, but helps to carry independent votes in blue states. Even in areas we will likely lose, to soften the vote where we can steal some additional seats for the House and Senate are just as important as winning back the presidency.

    If you really want to repeal Obama care you need a guy at the head of the ticket that can help you get the type of majorities necessary to pass a bill that would kill the money that is being fed to it. The same thing on reforming Social Security and Medicare. Nothing will happen with those programs if the Dems are still in control of either house of Congress.

  • aesthete

    Never did understand the obsession with the gold standard.

  • bzip

    can easily give him a big break. It’s not like we are going to vote next week anyway.

    That couple to the fact ever since Perry got into the race it has been non-stop hit jobs by everyone, not even allowing a minute to get his balance.

    What peeves me about all the othger candidates is why is everyone giving Mitt a free pass. Pery is the only one really hitting Mitt. Go figure.

  • Scope

    and he sits and retains his frontrunner status as the other’s mercilessly attack Perry.

  • onemovoter

    I listened to the interview. Hannity did the positive intro to Cain and Cain joked back with him which was all nice, and then Hannity brought up the Perry issue.

    First, I have an issue with Hannity. Hannity gave no real details on the issue other than faint indication of what the Perry’s said in return. I have a real problem with this since Hannity is usually pretty specific on details on many of the controversial stories out there. But this time Hannity is not giving his due diligence on the story. This is one of the reasons why I have stopped listening to Hannity on a regular basis.

    Herman Cain on the other hand continued his initial attack on Perry saying that the “N” word is offensive and especially if Perry had kept it around for as long as he did. Hannity piped up and said that in response, Perry’s campaign did say that it had been painted over or something.. blah blah (mumbling). Cain said that if that is true then Perry deserve credit for recognizing it as an offensive word, then went into saying it’s been an offensive word ever since the late 60′s. Herman ended it with “so if it’s true of what Perry did then that’s the end and I’m done with the story.”

    No apology, no feeling of regret, no looking into the story more on Cain’s part. So I’m very disappointed with Cain. No one should expect any real reporting from Hannity either.

  • acat

    lock-in strategeries. I’ll grant that gift cards aren’t a perfect example, but .. even there, the non-portability of cards, which are all backed by a common asset – dollars – makes me wonder what kind of lock-in we’ll see in the future.

    I once worked for a company who told me, during the interview, “Yes, we have direct deposit.” After I got the job they clarified “.. but only if you have an account at X nationwide bank.” Anyone think banks won’t offer companies – especially behemoth payroll specialists like ADP – special discounts for “steering” customers?

    Further, take a look at how the dot-com boom/bust cycle played out. Yes, there were no “private banks” but .. people were paid in stock options, not ca$h. That’s certainly close kin to “bank-specific fiat currency”. Those who were smart enough to trade their fiat money for a more diversified portfolio did well, those who didn’t .. lost quite a lot. Sometimes everything.

    This brings us to my final point. It’ll make for a much more complex relationship between people, their employers, and their banks.

    Company offers to pay in fiat currency, my first question is “would you pay me in something .. harder?”

    When considering a bank, “I have direct deposit, I’m paid in {fiat currency}. Can you automatically convert 60% of that into T-bills every week?”

    There has to be something like an entrepreneurial/day trader mentality for this to really work – and most Americans don’t have it. (thus the low number of entrepreneurs and day traders…)

    I don’t think it’s a bad idea, but .. I don’t know if it’s one that would benefit the average citizen .. I think, though, that it’s one that would certainly benefit those who already have the right mindset.

    Mew

  • Scope

    Cain meets his Bachmann moment. I’m sure that by polling done before yesterday will have Cain up quite a bit, but, by the next round of polling he will be back down to second tier status or less. No Republican likes a race baiter, or a Republican presidential candidate that refuses to say that he would support the eventual nominee whoever it is. I’m safe to say that as Ron Paul will not be the nominee.

  • romeg

    If I don’t agree with you and YOU don’t agree with me all it means is that WE don’t agree.

    After all the years you spent in politics in Macon you’re bound to have a pretty thick hide by now. And after all the time you’ve spent here, you surely have come to expect that you are supposed to be the cheerleader for Everyone’s Favorite Candidate.

  • Adjoran

    Reagan raised taxes and spending in California, never promised to cut federal spending and didn’t, allowed huge domestic increases in a deal with O’Neill to get his defense buildup approved, raised taxes twice after cutting rates, imposed import quotas on Japan, ran huge (for the time) deficits, granted amnesty to illegals, and appointed Sandra Day O’Connor to the SCOTUS. Today he would be mocked as a RINO and wouldn’t have a prayer in the primaries.

    There aren’t any perfect conservative candidates, and if there were they would fare about as well as Goldwater did in the general election.

    Whine all you like about “settling” for a candidate, but that’s your choice – unless you are willing to let Obama win.

  • Scope

    If you have buried your head in the sand, and choose to keep giving Cain passes on whatever he says, but refuse to do the same for Perry, you have no argument. Perry’s people have put out many statements pointing out the inaccuracies, misstatements and unproven allegations in the WaPo piece. Cain uses the race card against Perry, without even acknowledging the fact that he obviously took his position from a bogus article, and you say I am damaging Perry by saying Cain couldn’t even walk back his unfounded statements? Sorry, it’s like I said elsewhere, Cain keeps getting passes for whatever he has said that was inciteful, such as that he would not appoint any muslims in his administration, but that’s ok, that’s not any sort of bias at all. Yet he gets a pass on saying that Perry was wrong to keep a freaking rock, that someone before him painted and put there, which his dad painted over because it was offensive, but hey that’s OK.

    Where in the heck are you even coming from?

  • carolina

    I really, really, really want Perry to run a great campaign. So far I am disappointed.
    I’ll just keep reminding myself that ANY of them is better than BO; much better!

  • carolina

    I really, really, really want Perry to run a great campaign. So far I am disappointed.
    I’ll just keep reminding myself that ANY of them is better than BO; much better!

  • freentn

    merely added insult to injury to the Perry Family.

  • blogforceone

    Can you or anyone post the latest Red State Poll?

  • freentn

    !

  • snowshooze

    Perry has been consumed by running his State.
    Remember when Couric butchered Palin?
    Palin had no international policy views in place…she had a State to run, and who cares about the rest?
    That being only an example.
    I think Perry CAN cobble something in a few short months, especially if he is wise in selection of his advisors.
    Notice our current CIC surrounded himself with cronies, intellectual idiots and Communist’s…and campaign contributors.
    Who could possibly do a worse job? Sarah?
    ( Hey, it’s humor )
    Cain has the ability, and I believe Christie does as well.
    It is what you have to do as a Manager.
    And being a Manager, one can Manage a doughnut shop, or a car company… it is very similar. One does not necessairily need know the first thing about a doughnut, or a car.
    Sure, it isn’t easy. But a certain amount of faith in character is par for the course. I guess.

  • snowshooze

    dang…fingers fast as lightning..
    My apologies.

  • freentn

    or anyone else the dems want to throw at us. Perry has a long way to go to prove that he is that Person.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    N/t

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    In fact, I did the math in 2007. There hasn’t been enough gold mined in the history of the world to back the dollar with gold.

  • wacowboy

    I question how much change he would really effect if elected president. He’s defended Social Security. Questions abound in regard to his desire to repeal Obamacare. he seems weaker on immigration enforcement than Perry, with the luxury of being about as far removed from being a border state as possible.

    I just don’t see him being willing to fight for what he believes in. He strikes me more as a politician who asks — what will get me elected or re-elected rather than who asks “What’s the right thing to do?” I know that this opinion is based more on a “feel” than facts or stats — yet I’m far from the only one who feels that way.

    That said, gaining a republican president means little if we don’t, as you said, keep the house and gain the senate. Perhaps as a party we need to set our sights lower — a veto-proof majority in both houses!

  • wacowboy

    Mitt has recieved a free pass on pretty much everything. Why no one has gone after him on anything is absurd.

  • freentn

    been able to win a debate with Romney and the ankle biters.

  • wacowboy

    did I do that right? (first Kowalski use that is..)

    but the fact that everyone is still going after Perry says that they all are afraid of him and want to kick him when he’s down to try and get him out of the race.

    You know, the ambition and arrogance it takes to run for president, while necessary for the job, is also very sad. There is a stage of 8 candidates, 7 of whom I would take in a heartbeat over BHO. Yet any idea of “you know — you’d be a lot better President than I would” is unheard of. instead it is as cutthroat as can be. Instead of it being about being on the team of “Conservative America” we see that it is all about ME winning. Sad. That’s why politics often irritates me.

  • acat

    This is, as I think I’ve made clear elsewhere, my major reason to like Perry at this point .. he’s the best *campaigner* in the bunch.

    The take-no-prisoners style he demonstrated in Texas would be a match for pretty much anyone the Dems could replace Obama with .. including Team Clinton.

    The problem is, for whatever reason – the back surgery, over-coaching, doesn’t matter – so far, Perry hasn’t been Perry thus far.

    Mew

  • carolina

    He kept getting asked about it – and was openly frustrated after he had said that he was satisfied with the Perry response. According to NBC, Romney was the most negative about the Perry ‘mistake’ ( that was a WAPO hit job, imo)
    Cain’s on the run! Yep, his ‘Bachman moment’.

  • freentn

    Why doesn’t his campaign just admit that and demand a damn chair like President Reagan demanded a microphone in Nashua in 1980? Geez!

    I’m sorry but if you can’t beat Mittens in a debate you can’t beat BO or Hillary in a debate.

    I agree notwithstanding the debates Perry has run the best campaign by far but all you have to do is look at the Kennedy/Nixon, Reagan/Carter, Reagan/Mondale and Bush/Gore debates to know that debates are extremely important. People tune into debates when they get serious about deciding who to vote for. We can not afford to have a nominee who will lose the debates.

    Perry has put himself behind the 8 ball. He has to do a whole lot better in this next debate for people to be comfortable voting for him to be the nominee. If he blows another debate Newt takes the lead as far as I am concerned.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I got a bad back, chronic nosebleeds, family troubles, and a stock portfolio that’s in the crapper. And I manage to teach children.

    take an ibuprofen and suck it up.

  • freentn

    in the Campaign. The democrats were failing in their attempts to make “White Racism” THE ISSUE until you opened your big mouth.

  • virginiahiker

    So far I have had little difficulty separating your commentary from your analysis. Your analytical pieces always seem to be unbiased, well reasoned, supported by facts and generally track with what I would expect from an informed political observer. Your commentary is good but sometimes a little too knee jerk populist. But you have never claimed to be anything other than a populist. All in all I think you play it straight.

  • Scope

    that not just a few have noticed that the so-called debates have been anything but. They have attained the status of nothing more than sound bite commercials, or ready made commercials for the left. Yet, so many have put such a high premium on just the debates to judge the candidates. It’s as though no one’s record has any meaning or credibilty at all. I do believe it will ultimately settle out on record eventually, once we get by the non-issues that seem to be the biggest issues currently.

  • pantera

    By offering a conservative alternative vision in the debates compared to the moderate dreamer team in the current GOP field(bachman exception).

    Double that for obama.

    Enough with the personal remarks. It’s a discussion.

  • acat

    It’s simple.

    It’s obvious.

    Each of these things. (or people)

    Are only important.

    Because of the actions of a group.

    A lazy group.

    A dishonest group.

    (can you tell that I’m dragging this out?)

    If the Main Stream Media ignored any or all of these things, their true importance would become clear .. and none of ‘em have that much true importance.

    No offense to Mr. Bono or Mr. Pawlenty.

    Mew

  • blogforceone

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/total-dominance-red-state-straw-poll-sarah-palin-52-4-herman-cain-21-4-ron-paul-10-2-rick-perry-7-3/

  • acat

    or am I the only one who remembers “Forever Spam”?

    For those not familiar, “Forever Spam” was based on the TV series Forever Knight, in which a vampire sought to redeem himself by helping the cops catch criminals. .. in the case of “Forever Spam”, the criminals were replaced by spammers…

    Mew

  • ihavehadit

    He is an opportunist and he was race baiting on Fox and ABC. We don’t need this in the Republican Party. I keep telling you people we don’t know this man. He is not what he seems but little by little he is letting us know what he really is. Remember he said he wouldn’t support the NOMINEE if it was Perry. He also believes the states should regulate gun control. Directly against the recent Supreme Court Ruling. The man doesn’t have a clue.

  • acat

    I don’t know how you can say “nobody” is going after Romney. Are you speaking of Red State posters, or other candidates?

    Romney’s been hiding behind the cloak of inevitability – very much like Harry Potter’s cloak of invisibility – but .. if Cain or Perry can push him out of the top position, the cloak will disapparate* and Romney will be laid out, all his waffles showing, for anyone to stick a fork in.

    Hmmm. There’s a picture there…

    Mew

    * look, I’m a muggle cat, not an animagus, cut me some slack on the spelling!

  • blogforceone

    Erik, Is this a real Red State straw poll of is this a fake?? Just asking. p://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/total-dominance-red-state-straw-poll-sarah-palin-52-4-herman-cain-21-4-ron-paul-10-2-rick-perry-7-3/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    A RedState diarist held a poll. But RedState did not hold a poll.

  • acat

    See his reply to you here.

    I’ve not seen anyone doing polling on Red State yet this cycle.

    I’m also not clicking on your link to figure out what it actually is.

    Mew

  • ihavehadit

    obviously Cain is not a big man. I expected no less. He is under the same delusion Bachman was. Keep attacking a non issue against Perry and you will move ahead. Bachman did and look what happened to her. Keep it up Cain, conservatives don’t like race baiters and liars. You will be over in a matter of days.

  • freentn

    Perry apologized for fan less egregious remarks.

  • Bill S

    It was done in a member diary and is no more reliable than any Internet poll that allows unlimited votes. Repeat what Erick said: we don’t do polls.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt….

  • Jim Tomasik

    I have given Gov. Perry a pass on EveryThing so far. I was ready to drop support of Cain if he did not clarify his position, which he did.

    In fact, I have not even been bashing Mitt this time around. The only reason I went off on Bachmann was because she kept attacking Perry after she had time to rethink her position. Erick said after the debate that she kicked hiss ass. My initial comment on that blog was to say she would be hurt more than he would.

    I was dead right about that.

    After she kept trying to get somewhere with it, I said she was not worthy of the nomination because her Scortched earth tactics.

    Cain was in a sim. Position and I gave him the same oPportunity to straighten it out, which he did.

    (replying from a cell phone, please pardon spelling and grammar)

  • gekster

    Looks like your fishing for hits.

    Try fishing for carp, you’ll have better luck.

  • jimmyg

    It is easier to find an excuse than to find a reason. Doug Brown

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    in reference to the Palin 52 poll.

  • acat

    Just .. depressing.

    Mew

  • acat

    What “alternative” does she offer?

    More to the point, when does she file to get on the ballots so people can actually *vote* for her? (or is she using the Murkowski strategy?)

    Mew

  • onemovoter

    Herman Cain was on Hannity tonight and was asked again about the Perry story from the WaPo.

    Cain said he did look a little more into, although not thoroughly because he’s short on time. He said he found that the rock was painted over in 1981, but that the rock has probably been there since the 60′s. The term to him is still offensive he said. He then said that his “original” reference wasn’t towards Perry but to the property owners. He said that he doesn’t believe that Perry is racist either.

    He finished up the issue saying to him it’s no longer a story.

    So there you go….

    Cain’s non-apology apology walkback saying what he said wasn’t said on Hannity tonight.

    /sigh

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    No raw numbers, only percents.

    Internet polling is bad enough if a bunch of people – as in thousands – participate. I would bet this one didn’t get 100 responses. Worthless, worthless, worthless.

    I also remember the fool who was putting them up, once a month. An exercise in stupidity.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    I mean, to what other candidate does that rule apply?

  • freentn

    to the Perry Family and now he is insulting our intelligence. Maybe Cain doesn’t remember what he said or how he said it but we do.

  • Scope

    It’s as I said. Now, can’t you just get over it already. He said something.

  • freentn

    out of a tailspin

  • lineholder

    But that’s not the issue. I think we’re to that point where it’s all about strategy. There can only be one valid anti-Romney candidate in the race. FL moved up their primary. Perry is getting in late and he hasn’t done as well as we might have hoped in the debates. Most people haven’t had a chance to become familiar with Perry’s position on issues at this point. Time is growing short.

    If Cain is eliminated, that makes everything a lot of simpler, right? /sarc

    I’ve got my share of questions about this strategy, namely what do we do if Perry flops and he doesn’t manage to connect with people? Where does that leave us?

    I’d like for Perry have an honest chance to actually earn the voter’s confidence by proving that he is best candidate and would be the best choice for President. Right now, Cain is my first choice, but if Perry does well on his own, that could be a mind-changer.

    I just don’t think the strategist are going to let it happen that way.

  • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

    Come on.

  • Scope

    You are happy with Cain’s bunk, I and many others are not. I didn’t respond to anything you said, you had a problem with my opinion piece, or as you call it my screed. You have your own little screed about your opinion right above this comment. Hey, have at it with what you think of what anyone, or everyone said or didn’t. You don’t live in my mind, and I have no desire to live in yours. Post as you will, and I will do the same. This is not a dodge, it is an affirmation that you live in your world, and I live in mine. For me, Cain did not clarify his statements to any acceptable degree.

  • lineholder

    We’ll have to see how things go.

  • flteng8251

    it seems to me that what she started off doing, making money where possible to fend off the BS from the ’08 run, has distracted her from her original agenda. Its a shame really…she could have done a lot more for the cause.

    Never was a Palin fan. Just the way I see it. I grew up in Texas and I currently support Perry. What we Texans see/saw that the rest of the country doesn’t is that he’s a helluva governor and debates are really useless in determining that component of a candidate.

    Unfortunately, he sucks at debates and that may well be his downfall. Much to the detriment of our society I fear.

  • blogforceone

    Then shouldn’t the individual who did this poll be drawn and quartered as well as excommunicated from Red state for being such an infidel by showing strong support for Sarah Palin here? I suspect the poll is somewhat accurate regarding the readership here as her support is also strong in the Hot Air poll soundly beating Rich Perry in a one on one match-up by 2 to 1. Both are not dissimilar conservative sites, no?

  • oldphart

    “A vote for (fill in blank) is a vote for Obama/Kerry/Liberal flavor of the week.” Or “you don’t have a blog/radio show/newspaper column so you don’t know anything.”

    But I have voted in every election since 1956 and in every case — not just most casers, EVERY case — I’ve had to vote for the candidate who was least dirty/conniving/lying/slimy. Sometimes I voted for a winner and other times not but for the entire period picking a candidate to back has been like picking up a dog t*rd by the clean end.

    This will probably be my last election (maybe yours too, but that’s another subject for another time) so I inend to cast what may be my final vote for the person whom I feel is best qualified to lead this nation – and it ain’t Romney or Paul or Perry or Cain or… In my opinion it’s Sarah Palin. If you don’t agree then don’t vote for her but do yourself a favor and stay away from the kennel.

  • snowshooze

    Hot air is another site.
    With another audience.
    Polls are polls. They can easily be skewed by the slighest nuance.

  • blogforceone

    Sarah Palin may well be the only candidate to stop Mitt Romney that is true to real conservative issues. Not just fiscal issues but social and moral issues as well. Should she enter the race, and I am all but certain she will in the next few days, she will be a formidable candidate who CAN beat POTUS Obama in November 2012. No vetting issues here for her. She is seasoned and experienced with the press now. I like Cain the best right now but he will stumble often and that is not a winning strategy.

  • pantera

    Eric’s countdown was based on a lie of Sarah said,”End of September” when clearly she didn’t say that. The reporter said that.
    Do you agree with that?

    Eric’s list of pros/cons,apply that list to Sarah. She has all the pros but none of the cons. Her challenges seem to on a personal level. Much of which appear to be untrue. She was the underdog in all her elections.

    The ”alternatives” are fight political corruption(crony capitalism),she actually did it. Name 1 other. No bailouts,union kickbacks,special tax cutouts etc.

    Flat or fair tax,southern wall,strengthen allies ties (especially Israel),
    school choice for states, close some federal departments.

    She has addressed the legal timelines. Unless there’s voter signatures required then it’s a couple of hours work. Go check her record,its straight up conservatism.

    I’ll support whoever wins GOP nomination,will you? That’s why we count votes not polls.

  • Jim Tomasik

    You are the one who’s whining and crying because your favorite candidate is struggling so. The more folks like you try to blow this up it will only hurt Perry.

    I can’t wait to see how things look after the next debate when Cain gets more time to shine. Hopefully he will get back on the track of fixing America and the other candidates will be forced to follow his lead.

    Sweet dreams! ;)

  • acat

    The so-called “Red State” poll did not require a Red State ID to vote, and no proof was offered regarding how many “ballots” were cast.

    One would imagine Erick’s recent descent into spam would have drawn far, far louder protests if Red State were truly a “secret den of Palinistas”.

    Mew

  • acat

    You should be posting over at C4P, not Red State.

    There’s no “there” there. She’s not running.

    Mew

  • Doc Holliday

    his positions are a problem, but fighters are thin on the ground.

  • snowshooze

    Be like me, let the chips fall where they may.
    If you are married to some candidate, good for you.
    I am still open. I like Cain, he is in the middlle of a mess. Let’s see how he handles it without our help.
    Let it rock.

  • snowshooze

    Christie WILL stand and not blow over.
    He wil be 1/3 of the power, if elected.
    His contradictory views WILL be checked.
    I am OK with that.

  • Doc Holliday

    if it means Obama is gone, I will take it.

  • Jim Tomasik

    Xz

  • acat

    Palin’s list of cons include that her governance in Alaska was no model of conservatism, that she’s got the highest negatives of any candidate currently in the race except *maybe* Obama, and that she’s not managed to change that negative opinion in over 3 years.

    Voter signatures need to be done Real Soon Now, nevermind fundraising started, commercials taped, ad time bought; a presidential campaign cannot be “Hey kids, let’s put on a show!” ala Mickey Rooney.

    Unless her entire campaign has been built with more secrecy than the Manhattan Project, and that begs the question of what the *point* of a secret campaign would be, she’s out of time and doomed to fail by her own choices.

    Still, to your last point, if she should by some miracle win the nomination, I’ll vote for her.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    This particular “poll” was a big deal over at c4p yesterday and you’re simply trolling it here.

    Several points: most important, you’re every bit as stupid as the rest of jerks who post at c4p.

    OK, now then, this WAS NOT a Redstate Poll. It was a surveymonkey poll put up by an infrequent poster and the September offering was annotated by Redstate management.

    With respect to the results, internet polls are notorious for being gamed. These polls were gamed by idiot Palin supporters like you. One really obvious sign of a poll being put up with the intention of it being gamed is the published results.

    Let’s go back to the June version of this piece of crap and take a look at those results. Palin came in first with about 25% and the total number of votes that were cast were a whopping 146.

    In September, the poster reports Palin at 52% and then neglects to note how many votes were cast so we have no idea just how broad the sample is. Let’s be clear, 146 votes is a stupidly low number to even discuss the results. I have no idea how many votes were cast in September but I would guess that it was a whole lot less than 146. In addition, the Palin Shriners have been getting exceedingly desperate over the last month and you could make a really good case that they gathered together to game a small sample poll.

    The HotAir poll, same commentary with slightly larger numbers. Fundamentally, internet polling is absolutely meaningless, especially when it flies in the face of every poll that is taken in a statistically significant manner. That said, it is interesting to note that Palin has been losing big time in the HotAir polls for the past several months. That would indicate that Palin’s support is waning since it’s a fair assumption that the same people participate on a regular basis so if you see a candidate begin to move – and in this case it would be Palin in starkly downward direction for several months in a row – that something may be happening in that candidate’s core support.

    In other words, it’s not a Redstate poll. It’s meaningless. You’re a troll. And a stupid one at that. Tell the idiot gt80 I said hi when you crawl back over to c4p. And make sure nurse Ratchett ups your meds.

  • blogforceone

    I missed that news flash, Sorry! When did she tell you she was not running? Just curious.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    A lot.

  • Bill S

    So a person like the diarist in question is free to create their own poll and post a link to it…and they can call it whatever they want to. The C4P cultists are so desperate for acceptance of the object of their worship that they will latch onto any little trivial bit of data that might confirm their obsession.

    FWIW, we annotated the diary to make it clear that a) it is not sanctioned by Redstate, and b) it’s your run-of-the-mill Internet poll that can be spammed and gamed.

    The diarist who posted it did nothing wrong.

  • blogforceone

    What is a sjriner troll any way?You are. Big on the personal insults but weak on the rebuttal of the points I made. You sound just like the pinkosover at Move on and Daily Los. You are a Republican??? I THINK YOU ARE THE REAL TROLL MY FRIEND.

  • acat

    (sarcasm off)

    Mew

  • lineholder

    You will find a way to draw becker’s attention to it, won’t you?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Feel free to go here and comment on my deconstruction of the “poll”.

    And believe me, I’m not your “friend”.

  • blogforceone

    I will support whomever the Republican nominee is and I sincerely hope you do as well. Even if it is. SARAH PALIN.

  • blogforceone

    Q. Will you support Palin or would you prefer 4 more years of Obama? Yes or no?

  • acat

    Mew

  • jerry39

    stumbling isn’t a winning strategy per your post above? Apparently your not familiar with Chevy Chase. Guy stumbled and fell down all the time on SNL in the 70′s – he was a hit! Practically killed himself he fell so much in those vacation movies – again a hit! Few years later he tried a talk show where he had to sit down all the time. Epic fail!

    You see Chevy Chase could not stumble and fall while seated at a chair, and he became very boring.

  • lineholder

    Where do you come up with these things? Wherever it is, I love it!

    BTW, thanks for the laugh, acat.

  • blogforceone

    It is the primary weapon of the Left.Personal attacks and character assassination is expected of them. Why do you copy their discretited weak tactics?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    No, I won’t support her. I would vote for her if she happened to win the primary, which she won’t.

    Now then. go address the issues I raised about the polling, you can follow the link above.

    When you’re done with that, you can feel free to address the timing issues related to Palin running. Things like she’s at 10% or lower in all of the early primaries – and not registering at all in Iowa, New Hampshire or Florida. She’s got no organization in any of the early states, and please note that jerks like you don’t count as a “political organization”.

    Then you can address the fact that her negatives are at least as high and in many cases higher, than Obama’s. She’s had three years to work on that and she’s done nothing but get worse in F/U polling across the board. Her unfavorables are almost higher than the rest of the GOP field put together. She has consistently snubbed the media for the last three years and while we may not like them, they play a huge role in the message that gets out. How’s she going to turn that one around?

    Now then, let’s take a peek at her record. As in her real record as governor, not her Facebook trivia.

    Her lasting legacy in Alaska is stabbing republicans in the back of “ethics” issues, and please note the result of the legal actions that were taken. Not a good picture. Then there’s her budgets. Those got demonstrably bigger every year. She never met a problem government couldn’t solve and a dollar that she couldn’t spend.

    ACES. It’s nothing but a huge business tax on the largest industry in the state. It likely will not survive the next session of the legislature.

    The ghost pipeline. She gave a Canadian firm $300MM plus and so far, vapor.

    Her approval ratings in Alaska, once in the high 70s, now that her former constituents have had an opportunity to see her in action are in the 20s.

    Then there’s the ethics law she passed and got caught in herself. All she had to do was have the AG issue an opinion that her actions were within the purview of her job and the state would have defended her at no cost to her. And that is a standard agreement for all states and virtually every corporation in the US. Instead she hires a private attorney and then cuts-and-runs in the middle of her term passing off “her family” as the reason. That is simply crap. If she was concerned about her family she’d have called the AG.

    Deal with this stuff or you’ll have demonstrated that you are a pathetic c4p troll, incapable of thought and with no ability to actually make a factual defense for your candidate.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    you’re stupid. Now then, go answer the real questions in my comment.

  • californiagold

    I actually do believe that if she got into the race, she could stop Romney as long as it were a two person race. If the race remains a nine person race through the Florida primary, then all Palin would do is fracture the vote, which would allow Romney to win.

    Having said that, I do not believe Palin would defeat Obama. Nor do I want to see her even try.

  • minister_of_war

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rick-perry-slips-herman-cain-rises-in-bid-for-gop-nomination-poll-finds/2011/10/03/gIQASiJiJL_story.html

  • jerry39

    All the while decrying personal attacks you call me a weal !!! Do you see how hypocritical you are ???

    If I am a weal for making personal attacks – then what are you for calling me a weal? Perhaps a wheelie?

    If I am discredited left wing copier – does that make you an inkjet printer?

    Ok – I’ll try a more direct approach.

    1. No one here for more than 5 minutes would vote for Barack Obama over Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Trig Palin, or probably even Levi if he ever gets around to changing his last name. So to ask the question begs insults, because implicit in the question is not only an insult, but a lack of knowing where you are.

    2. “You sound like a left-winger” is worse than being called a weal – because at least weal is cool made up word. Accusing RS regulars of being KOS Kids is not only not cool and its so cliche, its cliche to even say that’s its cliche.

    Is that more clear?

  • snowshooze

    Romney really is good at playing the game, and Sarah is an opportunafish..

  • californiagold

    This is not the best of news for Romney. What it shows is that some of Perry’s support is going to Cain, but not to Romney. Sooner or later the field will be down to Romney vs. the anti-Romney. Only then will we be able to determine if Romney has enough support to win the nomination.

  • minister_of_war

    nt.

  • californiagold

    why then has he lost so many elections ?

  • snowshooze

    Then consider who is best at it.

  • GregInFla

    If the cards are really simply pre-paid debit cards (which is how they are handled at the register), (16-digit account numbers and all), then what in the system really prevents a Shell station from taking a BP gift (debit) card? Would not the system treat it the same? Any banking folks out there?

  • freentn

    a landslide. Perry & his PACs need to go after Cain, Bachmann and Santorum’s voters.

  • californiagold

    The polling on Romney continue to show that he has a ceiling that he cannot go above. This in spite of the fact that he hasn’t had a glove layed on him yet by his opponents or the media. And while it’s true that Perry has dropped in Iowa and Florida, he’s still ahead in South Carolina and Nevada.

    Having said that, it would be foolish for any of us to take these polls too seriously at this time. The race is very fluid, and the negative ads haven’t really started yet. If Romney is ahead in the polls come next January, that will mean something.

  • californiagold

    ,,,,is get his economic recovery plan announced, and then start selling it to the voters. And he also needs to get on TV more often with interviews where he can sell himself and his ideas. So far in the campaign, for every Perry TV appearance, it seems as if Romney, Cain, and the others have done 10 times more.

  • minister_of_war

    I tried responding to you earlier. But it put my response in a separate comment. Anyway, I would be very cautiously optimistic if I worked for Team Romney.

    One thing that has affected Romney more than any other was the main reason for the failure for his father’s campaign for President. When George Romney explained how the generals in Viet Nam had given him a thorough brainwashing, his ill-advised statement made it look like the elder Romney didn’t have the mind power to withstand others or was anti-military. Neither of these options were acceptable to voters.

    The younger Romney has learned from his father’s mistake & avoids making any major gaffs. Some have argued that Romney plays it too safe, but his composure & Romney’s methodical nature in the debates is what has left Romney unscathed by any of his opponents’ attacks.

    This composure & Romney’s focus on his long-term campaign strategy are what will make Romney tough to beat in the Republican Primary. Obama’s terrible policies & leadership are what will make Romney easily win the General Election.

  • onemovoter

    This is why Romney has a luke warm enthusiasm rating at best. This is the reason why his poll numbers are flat and can’t break out. There is a larger core of voters who aren’t picking Romney than those that are.

    This is the reason why I see Romney losing again, as several people will drop after Iowa and consolidate into the ‘not-Romney’ candidate. This will continue after the first several primaries.

  • minister_of_war

    And from my understanding Romney has only been behind in only one Nevada poll since this whole race started. Romney should do very well in the Nevada caucuses to go with his wide lead in New Hampshire & his lead in Florida polling.

  • minister_of_war

    There is no evidence that everybody who is for a particular candidate who is not Mitt Romney is going unite together to go against Mitt Romney if/when any of their preferred candidate drops from the field. They could just as easily have a personal distaste for or be opposed to the positions of one of the other remaining candidates.

    There is, however, much historical evidence of voters consolidating support behind candidates they believe will win. Momentum is everything in politics. Cain was enjoy quite a bit of it since his Florida straw poll win, but I think that his comments on Perry & the “racist” rock really hurt Cain.

  • http://www.redstate.com/thesophist TheSophist

    I think this whole thing is a non-story cooked up by the MSM to distract us. I’m satisfied with Cain’s walkback. I’m satisfied that Perry ain’t no racist.

    Can we get back to the real issues now? Or do we spend more time and energy on useless crap?

  • lilolady

    makes it so difficult for a candidate to form a thought and express it clearly? I understand W was one heck of a guy. But fell apart speaking publicly. Is there something in the water? Or your way of silently finishing each other’s sentences because you are on the same page and don’t feel the need to waste the words ? Perry, or any candidate for that matter, must communicate well and not leave any space for conjecture. No man needs his advocates to have to explain what they Think he just said. We have had too much of that. Clarity is the name of the game this time around.

  • johnthebaptistmoore

    All of Michele Bachmann’s past to present gaffs, combined, and her ongoing campaign shuffling are hurting her, too. Mitt Romney is too moderate on too many issues, continues to have problems with his Mormon faith from within the Bible Belt states as well as from other Christians who are not Mormons, and Mitt’s partly responsible for all of the past, present, and future problems with RomneyCare in Massachusetts. BTW, why won’t Mitt Romney “fix” all of the problems with RomneyCare, too, if Mitt does become president? Rick Perry is a terrible debater, so far, and he’s too weak on illegal immigration issues. Rick Santorum comes across as being too angry, too often, and he has problems in getting enough support from within his home state of Pennsylvania. Newt Gingrich has way too much personal baggage and way too much political baggage, too, and Newt doesn’t even campaign directly with the voters. Newt appears to be running for President, in order to sell his books, CD’s, DVD’s, and schedule future speech opportunities for Newt. I like Herman Cain a lot, but Herman is running for President for the first time and making “first time running for President” errors, such as trusting the mainstream media too much, so far. Herman, also, originally supported: TARP legislation, affirmative action, and worked for the FED in Kansas City-issues that he, still, needs to, fully, address, now that Herman is being taken much more seriously as a Presidential candidate. Ron Paul is too old, comes across as being a nut, and his foreign affairs positions, Libertarian positions, and military issue positions scare too many people. Gary Johnson’s Libertarian positions scare too many people, too, and Gary’s two debate performances haven’t been spectacular, either. Jon Huntsman is too leftist on too many issues, and he’s a Mormon, too. I want Sarah Palin to run for President, too. Chris Christie is too leftist on too many issues, and Donald Trump is pretending to be a conservative, just in case Chris and Donald start running for president, too. My two cents.

  • lilolady

    India, China and George Soros, Kadaffi (sp), own a
    lot of the gold in the world today. I have heard that Soros personally has at least 3 tons of gold. He could
    at any dump a load on the market ( sell high) and depress the price of gold. Have his valet buy huge
    amounts at the much lower price (buy low) and in this
    way he is able to manipulate just one section of the
    market. Our time to own and hold and base our currency on gold was lost the day we went off the gold standard!

  • lilolady

    with a bad back. Kennedy used a rocking chair to help relieve the pressure along with several drugs that did
    become addicting. Roosevelt was certainly in pain
    much of his time in office, but spent his time under
    the wraps of the media , which kept the American people in the dark about his disability and , near the
    end of his life, Eleanor was making all the decisions on everything that came across the desk.

  • lilolady

    if I read the Ron Paul section of your critique correctly.
    The quotation by Gerson about Paul mentioned Rand
    not Ron Paul. Was that a typo?

  • wonkish1

    They just think it sounds good.

    When you do get answers they seem to be pointing to a return of Bretton Woods(1940s to 1970s) where the gold is held by the central bank. That wouldn’t work for not only the reason Neil points out below, but also an all but impossible procurement issue, effects that would happen on the exchange rates the world relies on, free pricing of Gold, the dichotomy of a central bank who is both quite active in interest rates but also having a backed currency, and the high incentive for the central bank(Fed) to cheat the system like they increasingly did almost the moment Bretton Woods was signed up until its culmination in the 1970s.

    Instead, when classical libertarians refer to a gold standard they aren’t referring to a central bank. And the truth is that today it would likely not be a gold standard and would instead be labeled a private money system which is what it is.

    A private money system is where private banks back their issuance of bank notes(which is currency). Back in the 1800s, it was a note that essentially said “equal to x ounces of gold”. If you were paid in the notes in a bank different than your own then you would go to your own bank and they would make good on the other banks note and deposit it for you and then in the absence of a countervailing note at the other bank(to cancel each others banks liabilities to each other out) your bank would take delivery of the other banks gold equal to the liability.

    Example:
    I work for someone with bank A
    I use bank B

    Someone else works for someone with bank B
    They use Bank A

    I get paid a value of 10 ounces of gold in bank A’s notes
    I go to bank B and deposit it into my account

    Someone else gets paid 5 ounces of gold in Bank B’s notes
    They deposit it into their Bank A

    At the end of the week Bank A and bank B settle up. They give each others notes back to each other, but since bank B has a 10 and A has a 5, Bank A delivers 5 ounces of Gold to bank B.

    That’s what happens except for on a much larger scale. Google “Suffolk System” to find out how an efficient private money system operated just like in New England over a 100 years ago.

    Today under a private money system individual banks would just issue their own currencies backed by whatever they wanted and they would allow the daily currency markets to settle liabilities just like Gold did 150 years ago and international transactions get handled today. So JPM may be backed by Gold, BofA may be backed by a basket of Gold, Silver, and Copper. Wells Fargo may be free floating, etc.

  • dajeeps

    Which is kind of funny that they would want a gold standard, at least in the sense of 1870s brand, because government would fix the price of gold, otherwise the standard would be unstable to extent that it is globalized.

    I don’t really know enough about it to take a definitive position on it, but I know history well enough to know that there are political issues with money no matter what we do; we’ve been arguing about it from time to time for at least 200 years. As long as the government needs money to function, and needs to tax to get that money, it will be jacking around with whatever monetary system we decide we want to use; it does not matter if it’s silver, gold, paper, or sea shells. There is just no way around it. At least the way we are going now, you don’t have to carry a cash balance and fluctuations in the value of the dollar shouldn’t hurt so much.

    My thought is that we really need to get the government out of the rest of the market distortions it creates so that it can’t destroy the value of whatever assets people convert their wealth into as a hedge, like it did with real estate. What that means is, manage the money supply, but remove the conflict of interest by removing the banking interest from it. I think part of the problem is that monetary policy is currently designed with an eye toward stability in the financial sector, and not necessarily broader public interest . We need to get rid of that and tell the bankers it’s time to stand on their own.

  • wonkish1

    Government involvement in money would be pretty low.

    Only a few rules would actually need to be in place.
    1) If a new competing currency wants to enter the market they have to either back it or remove equal value of a competing currency from the market and hold it in reserves

    and

    2) The federal government would have to tax and spend in equal proportion to the private currency in existence. No trading in mass one for another once they procure revenue. It would end up defacto picking winners and losers in the currency market.

    There are likely a couple other issues at play as well, but we just aren’t aware of them today.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    Baggage, yes. But the moderates supporting him against the conservatives in 1998? Please.

    Recall that Republicans took the House for the first time in 44 years back in 1994. Recall that Newt Gingrich, then Speaker of the House, led the House Republicans to pass the only substantive conservative legislation in my lifetime, detailed in the Contract With America. Recall that the gangster Clinton had to completely rearrange his presidency to confront Gingrich’s successful strategy, and focused his slime machine on the task of ruining Newt in the public mind (hence “baggage.”)

    Roll the clock forward to 2001. A supposedly conservative President inherits a supposedly conservative Congress — but no Newt. Newt was gone. And so was the conservative agenda. We got 6 years of Socialist Lite from George Bush and the Hastert-led House. That’s why Republicans lost the 2006 and 2008 elections, remember?

    I don’t give a rat’s a$$ who supported whom in 1998. Newt Gingrich produced the only substantive conservative gains in my lifetime outside of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, and his “baggage” is the wounds he received from the wicked for doing it. Oppose him for his elitism if you like, but he’s the only man in the race — maybe the only man in the COUNTRY — who has a legitimate track record of gaining ground for genuine American virtues.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    NEVER will I cast a vote for that fake.

    Vote for Mitt Romney if you want four years of Socialist Lite. Romney APPROVES Obama’s health care plan, despite what he says. He passed a very similar plan in Massachusetts — and no, he did not have to. He wanted to.

    A vote for Mitt Romney is capitulation to Mordor. A vote for Mitt Romney is agreement that we cannot stop the Progressives from turning America into Stalin’s Soviet Union, we can only slow them down. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for permanent American mediocrity.

    NEVER. NEVER will I cast a vote for that man. NEVER.

  • wonkish1

    Granted there were some moderates that supported Newt in 98. There were also a lot of conservative reformers as well that supported him.. The moderates that were interviewed afterward said they liked Newt because he always treated them respectfully. The conservatives said they loved Newt because he was their smart crusader.

    The ones that led the revolt weren’t conservatives nor were they moderates, they were establishment guys like Delay, Boehner, and Paxon.. The very douche-bags that were willing to sell out the conservative movement to the highest bidder on K-Street.

    Anybody that tells me that the House leadership under Delay or now leadership under Boehner is more conservative than under Newt is full of $hit.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    because you don’t get your way? How many children are you willing to see die because you don’t get your way?

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    of Tom Coburn’s “Breach of Trust”. Hell, read the whole book.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    n/t

  • wonkish1

    In 1998, Newt was involved in secret negotiations with Clinton that would have resulted in both privatized social security and voucherized Medicare(huge conservative victories) because Clinton was desperate for a legacy at the end of his 2nd term.

    Newt was near financially broke and had a girl friend at the time.

    A few weeks before the results of those negotiations were going to come out, Lewinsky broke and killed them right in there tracks. Ahead of the 98 elections Newt went to the head of the NRCC and told him he didn’t want to only run on the Lewinsky scandal and wanted to also run on another reform package.

    He was told to No! Shut up and keep quiet by Davis, Delay, Paxon, etc. They new about his girlfriend and they wanted him to keep his mouth shut and stay out of it because they were going to run on Lewinsky. The house lost seats and those same people came back and said it was Newt’s fault.

    So they led the revolt and then retold the history to say that it was Newt that was behind running on the Lewinsky scandal.

    That is exactly what happened.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You want to talk issues and how important this “poll” is, where’s your answer to my comment?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Issues? You’re so proud of SteSarah’s “record”, any rebuttal to my comment? Or can’t you deal with facts?

  • acat

    What won it for Reagan in 1980 (and 1984.. ) was optimism and vision. An economic plan is a good start.

    Perry seems to be better at interviews than at debate, so .. definitely get him and his optimism and his plan on the Sunday circuit.

    Most importantly, Perry needs to get beyond Texas, he needs to talk about his record, but to start talking about how that applies to his vision thing.

    Mew

  • freentn

    on setting the record straight as a result of their Painted Rock smear campaign.

  • Kyle-MI

    Gringrich was a great conservative from 94 through the shutdown fight. After he lost that fight, though, he was a shadow of his former self. That is also true of the GOP house. From the shutdown fight until they lost the House in 2006 the GOP played defense. They spread earmarks around and relied on pork barrel politics to sustain their majority. They let spending get out of hand. They let the deficit get out of hand. Even though he left before it reached its worst, it started with Gringrich. The only way the budget was balanced during the Clinton years was through a booming economy and the internet bubble as well as slashing the military budget.

  • Matthew Morris

    However comma [ , ] I don’t want to overlook a last good chance to get to know the Real Cain…. before it’s too late!

    - At best, his initial reaction and statements were shoot-from-the-hip misuninformed [credit: Dubya]
    - His non-apologizing non-walkbacking walkback were not much more informed
    - With all this time to one way or another see this issue (and respond to it) as it should be seen… with the aide of advisers, friends, and family…. he still can’t see that he got dangerously close to pulling a Full Bachmann, and that he needs to take decisive action to correct it?
    - Why can’t he (they) see this?
    - Why did they not take away a valuable lesson (hopefully more of a reminder of what he already knows… it is all rather common-sense-ish for anyone but the most politically un-astute ) from the Bachmann incident(s)?

    So many questions…. can’t ignore them. It’s a big letdown. Was so happy with his momentum (which in turn was making me feel better about Perry’s inability to communicate on his feet). Now I am back to hoping Perry is going to debate school every day.

  • freentn

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=351681

    http://thyblackman.com/2011/10/03/herman-cain-the-vice-president-nod/

  • wonkish1

    The hour long book notes transcripts(which I’m actually quite positive I saw that when it first aired) plus tracked down a bunch of quotes, google books blocks page 191 so I wasn’t able to get the whole page.

    Its pretty much what I’ve read elsewhere. During shutdown Dole caved in the senate and it was pretty much over after that. Even Coburn voted to reopen afterwards. But it was still Newt that got Clinton to agree to CBO approved balance budget. So if it wasn’t for Newt’s hard line in the presence of the Senate Majority leader caving like a douche, Clinton would never have caved himself ahead of the vote to reopen.

    In 97, a decent sized group of establishment guys, and a few moderates(Graham), and a few newly elected rebels tried to take him out. But when the rebels found out that they were going to be trading Newt for a PoS like Paxon(a K-Street sell out) the rebels(Coburn) included passed on it. The establishment coup didn’t work.

    Then 98 rolled around and after the losses(caused by the NRCC’s refusal to run on anything but Lewinsky), Coburn and the gang just said they weren’t going to vote for Newt as Speaker. And the coup that had been started under douches like Delay, Paxon, and Boehner was complete.

    You can tell in Coburn’s conversation that he blames those years for removing his illusions about congress, but than he readily admits that he was able to sit around and tolerate far worse in the 2000s because the “system is broken”.

    Sorry, the claim that it was the conservatives vs. the moderates in Newt being removed is wrong. A few moderates joined the coup and many conservatives stayed the he!! out of it.

  • freentn

    of the Dirty Work and says he is done with it. So if Perry calls Cain on it now he will look like the offender. Similar to Football where one player hits a low blow that the Ref doesn’t catch, but when the player who was fouled hits back he gets flagged. If Perry fights backs back against Cain now, he will be called a “Racist.”

    Perry should have watched tapes of President Reagan’s debates, particularly Nashua in 1980.

  • lindaliberty

    Why do you attack fellow conservatives? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and my opinion of Erik Erickson and his follower’s hate filled rants is that they let a little bit of following go to their heads and they think the world spins around them.

    I don’t think so. Palin is intelligent enough to not let the timing of her announcement be dictated by the liberal left or the GOP good old boys establishment and not even Erick Erickson.

    She has a record of working with both sides of the aisle for the good of Alaskans. She was effective and didn’t take part in the crony corporate corruption that other politicians have. Romney’s mandating healthcare that is an economic nightmare and Perry’s Merck connections behind the mandated immunizations show that these politicians can be bought. Sarah Palin is not for sale.

  • wonkish1

    I guess he was a shadow of his former self when he got Welfare reform then. And I guess he was a shadow of his former self when he successfully got Clinton to agree to both privatized social security and voucherized Medicare except those never became a reality because of the Lewinsky scandal. Because all of that sounds like a weak speaker to me.

    And its Gingrich not Gringrich.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Palin’s fans – those who have a Shrine to Ste. Sarah in their basement, and that would be you – are not conservatives. They’re cult members.

    Everybody at Redstate is well aware that the world doesn’t spin around Redstate. Unlike the world class fools at c4p who know the sun rises and sets on Ste. Sarah. We get you fools in here from time to time, more of you recently, and not one of you has bothered to take up the challenge to actually discuss Ste. Sarah’s record in Alaska.

    With respect to your final paragraph:

    1. Sarah does not have a record of “working with both sides of the aisle”. She has a record of being the minority Democrats favorite Republican because she has made her career knifing Republicans in the back. Virtually all of her legislation was passed by Democrat support.

    2. She’s never governed as a conservative. Every budget she offered was significantly bigger than the preceeding budget.

    3. Your slip is showing on your Merck comment. That’s is total BS and has been rebutted a hundred times. Like most of the crap coming from the basements over at c4p, it’s a flat out lie.

    4. Her record in Alaska – which you’ve conveniently left out – is one of executive incompetence and failure. ACES is nothing but a huge business tax on the most productive industry in Alaska and will likely be replaced in the next session. The pipeline… where is that pesky pipeline? I know where $300+MM went to “study” it. And then there’s getting caught in her own ethics legislation for a rank amateur stunt that would have gotten her fired from any regulated company in the US. And then, when she could have mounted an easy defense, she runs out the back door.

    5. Can’t be bought? Yeah sure. She can be bought for a little worship. Why do you think she’s been stringing you fools along all this time. The woman is turning out to be a vampire, she’s simply sucking the life out of ignorant neophytes who have no clue how to vet a politician. And when all is said and done, she’s just another politician. And, she was for sale cheap.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    doesn’t make you smart. Heaven forbid anyone would approach the kennel, especially after you’ve introduced poisoned meat.

  • blogforceone

    Too bad this has happened here at Red State over the Hate of Sarah Palin. I don’t hate any Republican. In fact, I support ALL Republicans in this fight to replace POTUS Obama. Some posters here do not feel the same. As for poster mbecker908, his comments regarding Sarah Palin directly mirror all of the standard far left criticism of her. I have read through many and it is clear he is not a “big tent” Republican at all. Most likely a deep plant paid and instructed to sow discord on this site. Erik Erikson has allowed these haters to be his personal attack dogs against ANYONE who posts favorable comments regarding Sarah Palin. Erik, you are so out of touch with the heart and soul of modern Republicanism that is represented by Sarah Palin and Herman Cain. Erik, please get your MOJO BACK, and wake up! You owe an apology to supporters of Sarah Palin who have faithfully supported your valiant efforts in the past to extol good, sound Republican values that are now clearly missing from your site. The hate here of Sarah Palin reflected by you, your commentators and a few posters here are a disservice to all patriotic Americans.

  • acat

    Fact. She said end of September.
    Fact. The dates to get on the ballots in the early-primary states are .. now.
    Fact. Campaign staff need to have some time to work together to be seasoned.
    Fact. Lots of volunteers does not equal a seasoned campaign staff.
    Fact. Volunteers with no political experience can cause more damage than good by getting off message.

    Conclusion. Unless Palin’s campaign staff has better security than the Manhattan Project, they’ll not have any time working together, they won’t be seasoned, they won’t all be on message, and with the unusually high percentage of volunteers with no political experience, there will likely be competing stories and narratives. It’ll be amateur hour.

    Conclusion. She’s either deeply deluded or she’s not running.

    Mew

  • powertothepeople

    that you had this big pious cry fest? Not going to address all the silliness in this post, only going to say no one here has ever claimed that this site is “big tent.” What they do say is that the site is all about true conservatism and activism. Big BIG difference.

    Now go grab some tissues and whatever else you need to stop the flow so that you are able to post some things in the future that are not an embarrassment to yourself.

  • debbie912oh

    I can’t remember what conservative website I was on yesterday, but well over 50& want this RINO to run. Are they serious? Would like to hear some thoughts on the governor.
    I have to admit, I pretty much agree with Erick on the candidates. We all have our favorites, but we have to pick a person who will BEAT Obama. Most of the candidates cannot (and this includes Sarah Palin).
    So, conservatives, get over your pouting and keep focused on the goal.

  • gekster

    will have a press conference at 1:00PM to announce that he is not running.
    There is no sense in waisting bandwidth on him anymore.

  • freentn

    getting into the race because I agree with Rush that Christie will take votes away from Romney.

  • Scope

    with the Palinbots. Some have already promised to have the biggest write-in campaign in history. They are taking a page out of the Murkowsi playbook. You see that way, Palin doesn’t have to campaign, she doesn’t have to participate in debates, she doesn’t have to fundraise, she can sit on her butt all day long and let her fans do all the work for her. Palin obviously believes that the real next is line is her, not Romney.

  • promise

    I’ve kept track of candidates and I have thoughts on each also. Although I’m no Erick, I was born with a brain & am using it.
    Bachman; is trying too hard!
    Romney; empty cup. when he said “you have to be careful how you say things” mark one against; then since one of Obama biggest supporters is now behind Romney; mark two.
    Perry; like the heck out of him; when he fought the teachers unions to disallow them to use “rainy day” fund to keep their jobs & low & behold he was a winner cause NOW with the wildfires & NO help from feds, TX has that fund to keep them going!! I just wish he’d break that glass bubble he’s in and be who he is “give’em hell”!
    Gingrich; good mind , but not my cup of tea.
    Cain; would LOVE to see him run the fed reserve.
    Paul; I put his emails to me in “spam”!
    Huntsman; pitiful
    Johnson; more pitiful than Paul & Huntsman
    Santorium; Another Bachman trying way too hard!

  • acat

    Will the percentage of Palin supporters who vote for the GOP nom in November be any higher than the percentage of Paulistines?

    Or, put another way, the will-o-the-wisp of Sarah Palin is leading potential GOP/Tea Party voters astray, just as the siren song of Ron Paul leads potential GOP/libertarian voters to their political death.

    Mew

  • acat

    Seriously.

    This is the nature of politics. It’s a result of the human condition.

    You’re welcome to whine about a lifetime of bad choices, I’ll even offer you some sympathy, but .. don’t tell me it justifies voting for Palin.

    Mew

  • dmccracken

    I shake my head when I see comments that “at least he’s a fighter”. It DOES make a difference what the fighter is fighting for, and Christie would not be fighting our side on a whole slew of issues.

  • supergirl2911

    really. Not me, fearless Supergirl, I have made mistakes. Even in my professional like, when I am not a superhero. EE has analyzed the candidates with candor and excellence. I -at the moment- hope Perry wins and EE is press secretary. Everyone has a conservative standard- economy, limited govt, pro life- that they wish to hold their favorite candidate and all others to. This is a good thing. However to cut out least favorite candidate because of it seems silly. I am guilty of feeling this way. However, that does not mean that the field is weak-media talking point- or that so-and-so will be our only savior. It also doesn’t mean that a flawed candidate cannot win and prove to be a great conservative leader. We do not need the next Reagan, we are hungry for the best—— fill in the blank to lead and lead with conservative principles.

  • Scope

    According to what little I heard of Beck this morning, he is saying that some of the Wall Street protesters are in fact Ron Paul supporters. He played one of their speeches about the gold standard and fractional banking etc. They are calling for a r3volution, much like Van Jones is. Oh, and did you hear that Ron Pauul is floating the idea of impeachment against the O for killing an American citizen, al-Awlaki?

  • blogforceone

    Why the leftist handle? In your opinion, is Sarah Palin conservative enough for you? If not, who is? Just asking.

  • blogforceone

    I think everyone is in agreement that Sarah Palin has been one of the most effective Conservative activists as of late. Do you digress?t

  • wonkish1

    I’m just going to say your wrong.

    Taxes have not increased in the state of New Jersey. There has been huge cuts to education at the state level(minus the court order money for 20 districts), and less spending in practically every single category of your government.

    Not to mention the impounded spending Christie did when he took office under his emergency powers. Then there is the cuts to pensions and benefits for public employees and a property tax cap. And he is now going have teacher tenure.

    If you were going to tell me when he got elected that is what to expect I would have told you that your full of it.

    If Christie hasn’t made you happy in New Jersey then I can guarantee you that you are going to be a perpetually pissed off at politics your whole life and you’ll never find any good news.

  • wonkish1
  • acat

    She is one of the best throwers of red meat, she has a gift for finding the root of any issue, distilling it to a sound bite, and then getting people to repeat it.

    The measure of activism, though, is whether she gets *results*.

    So. What are some of her results? What has her “activism” achieved?

    The phrases “Lipstick”, “Death Panels”, “Drill here, drill now”, “Lame Duck President” .. are those enough to judge her by?

    If so .. I find her wanting.

    DeMint and his conservative fund are more effective in that they’ve gotten legislation written.

    Gary Johnson is more effective in that he’s gotten legislation that actually reduced the budget of New Mexico passed.

    Tim Pawlenty is more effective as he used the line item veto to reduce the size of Minnesota’s budget.

    Mew

  • freentn

    but I really liked what I heard. Having worked in that Liberal TBS ocean in Atlanta, I know how hard it is to be a Conservative as a Producer for Turner and Erick does the Conservative Job very well. I look forward to listening again tonight.

    I hope that Erick does not go all political and take a job as Press Secretary because Rush is getting close to retirement age and we are going to need strong conservative replacements.

  • acat

    First, there’s a finite number of 16-digit numbers available. I don’t intend to calculate it because I’m also not a math major and *will* get it wrong, but .. you’ll agree that there’s a bottom and top limit, from 0000-0000-0000-0000 to 9999-9999-9999-9999, right? What do we do when we run out?

    Second, the numbers aren’t pure-random or sequential. Each valid CC # has a pattern to it that computers can use to check whether the number is valid or not. This prevents people from just making up numbers on the spot when ordering online or over the phone.

    Third, the magnetic stripe contains a *lot* more than just the 16-digit number. It definitely contains a “home zip code”, because local gas stations have started requiring customers paying with credit cards to enter their zips to buy gas.

    Conclusion – this cat would imagine that, for a store gift card, one of the details it contains is that it is, in fact, a store card. Possibly stores are using some of the ranges of 16-digits that fail the check I spoke of above. Possibly there’s another approach.

    The point is, I don’t see the “Bank A, Bank B” example that’s commonly given being nearly as clean in practice as it is on Wikipedia….

    Mew

  • blogforceone

    Educate your self. Many sitting members of congress and a few Governors and Senators were greatly helped by her early endorsements. You dispute this fact and selectively negate her efforts? Is what she did for true conservative candidates NOT activism? If not, what is?

  • acat

    She does have a good record of picking winners. Again, is that enough to base a presidential run on?

    Further, blogforceone, how well it worked out for Sen. Miller from Alaska, or Sen. Fiornia from Cali, or Sen. Angel from Nevada.

    Seriously, Sarah Palin did not singlehandedly defeat the forces of the Dem party in 2010, she had a *lot* of help .. and some of those who helped are better suited for the big chair than she is.

    Mew

  • acat

    Let me put it this way.

    If it weren’t for the madness of Ron Paul, it would be much easier to discuss small-government ideas that have their roots in libertarian thought.

    Mew

  • freentn

    will be questioned.

  • cbartlett

    who only lukewarmly supported Perry in Governor races (mostly because the alternatives were a LOT worse): he definitely needs to step up on the performance part of the campaign because the rest of the country is going to judge him from media presentation. Despite my past reservations, I actually think he is one of the most conservative candidates in the field right now. People that really know him, know that he supports small federal government and the 10th Amendment. Many people do not realize how much serious damage rogue federal agencies are causing to our economic system – and he would do his best to dismantle them. He’s been fighting them in Texas for years. He is doing a terrible job of explaining some of his positions that actually have very defensible, understandable answers. He’s getting persecuted for the immigration issue on all sides. If you don’t live in Texas, you don’t know what we have to fight every day. Despite media rhetoric, he’s not “against” building a wall on the border – he’s just against building it everywhere – it won’t work everywhere. And if Arizona or New Mexico want to try it – he’d be fine with that. But he is adamant that the feds have to do their part (that IS one of their few jobs!) and there are other measures – besides walls – that work better in some rural areas. As for the “Dream Act” (I hate that name – the Texas version is NOT the Democratice version at all!), Perry needs to explain the alternatives here. Those illegal teenagers who had no choice whether to come here or not, have parents who have been paying sales taxes and property taxes for at least 3 years – which helps support those kids going to public schools that the federal government REQUIRES Texas to provide for them. The alternative to giving them an opportunity to go to a state college or university at in-state tuition rates is that they drop out of school and have an “anchor baby” so they can start yet another generation of uneducated, unemployable people who suck on the system – government supported healthcare, education, food stamps, etc. We only offer the OPPORTUNTITY to get the education at a reasonable rate – we aren’t PAYING for them to go like California does! 181 out of 185 state legislators voted for this – including a whole lot of conservative Republicans – this law would have happened with or without Perry. It is obviously right for Texas to do it. Perry would be the first to say that it is up to any other state to decide if it’s right for them or not -he would never expect to force that on the entire country! And all of those whiners from other states that claim they couldn’t afford to send their kids to a Texas university – well, boo hoo. Move here and establish residency while they are in high school if that is so important. Or better yet – work to improve the colleges in your own state – we need to improve the rest of the country too. We can’t handle everyone moving here – the traffic is getting bad….. Good news is – Perry does much better in one-on-one interviews and debates and would probably handle Obama very well. Bad news is he’s going to have to do a better job weathering the multi-person primary crap right now if he’s ever going to get there.

  • acat

    If she wants to be the kingmaker, then she needs to withdraw from the race with enough time left for her supporters to get their heads around it.

    The way she’s doing things, she’s not going to leave them enough time to change from supporting her to supporting Brand X ..

    Mew

  • powertothepeople

    or else you will make moronic comments such as this one. And to answer the silliness you try to pose as a question, my answer would be no. Going on her record as a politician, no she is nothing more than a spending moderate. Not that you are smart enough to be able to understand why most people know that, unless of course they belong to the shriner club, but it is still a factual based opinion due to her record.

    And true conservatives in my book are measured on how they stack up to people like Regan, DeMint, and others like them. Palin fails to even come close.

    But then again, not sure what any of this has to do with your moronic “this is not a big tent site” comment.

  • powertothepeople

    and the only ones who are drink a ton of moron kool-aid provided to them by such groups as C4P.

    She was at best an opportunist during the last election, many times simply jumping on the winning dog after it was obvious who was winning and even worse made endorsements of such losers as Fiorna and McCain. Her record was sub par at best. The only thing she has of value to the party is getting on the news with her tiresome one liners, ignorant comments that are factually wrong, and forming a cult to replace the Ron Paul one.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    they could get away with anything.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ve made legitimate comments about the quality and reliability of the “Redstate poll” that you came in here from c4p flacking. You won’t respond to those.

    The comments that you’ve labled “leftist”, are in fact legitimate questions vetting a potential candidate. You just don’t want to discuss her real record. You won’t even make an effort. I would say you’re either ignorant or a complete coward.

    In fact, an argument for Palin can be made, and has been made by several Redstate posters most notably azaeroprof and Finrod. The problem with you idiot fans is that you refuse to understand that your idol has some issues that she must address if she’s going to be a candidate, and to date, she refuses to do that.

    Frankly, her biggest liability is idiots like you.

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    nt

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    for some of her endorsements. That, in no sense of the word, makes her a leader or a qualified Presidential candidate. It just means she can motivate some people in a primary. Her record in general elections is nowhere near as impressive. Just ask Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina for starters. Oh, and you might want to check out her stellar record of endorsing Senate candidates in Alaska. And you might want to know why she didn’t show up for the general.

  • pollywog

    but have very big issues with Perry. I voted for him in the primaries because K-Baby was way too Washington/problem. Perry, however, is a boaster of successes on the shoulders of big Texas problems. The huge jobs numbers he comes up with are from the import of foreign workers, not jobless Texans. This is not only a Texas govmt./corporate issue but a State Department issue. Also, the immigration problem is huge. The anchor babies, some being born here in the US don’t even realize that they are illegal until they are arrested for something are a problem. Problem: the college in-state tuition is an incentive for illegals get (or give birth to) children in order for them to go to school in Texas. For the most part, the illegal residents do not share the full cost for property taxes as they (and this is for the most part) cram up to three times the number of people in one home, which is illegal and which also dilutes the amount of taxes paid on that property. So the in-state bye for illegals is bogus and Texas property tax payers are footing the bill (for the most part). The illegal residents are taking seats from legal residents even though there are good colleges and universities in Mexico. My property taxes are exorbitant and with Perry’s slights-of-hands, I’m not quite sure what they are even paying for. I voted for him but I’m not happy with Perry.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I think Perry, given our problems did a pretty good job, certainly he has moved more rightward over time. He has been willing to take on the federal government in a way that few governors have.

    Not to say I am 100% in his camp. You have brought out some problems.

    As for the illegals and taxes. Ultimately I believe that the only solution will be to do away with all income and property taxes and go straight to 100% sales taxes.

    What this would do is ensure that illegals, criminals, pimps, gangsters etc all paid their share.(I am not saying there would not be some compliance problems, but surely far fewer than with an income tax.)

    In that way it really would not matter if you paid instate or out of state tuition.

  • carolynr

    Tired of all this crap. Perry…get on the Sunday circuit…that is if they will “let you” and explain what is going on…from you mouth to our ears…we are smart enough to figure it out.

  • lilolady

    It does come down to real life experience you can only get by living it! Deeply and thoughtfully assessing the lessons you have come to understand and history has evinced. There is a hell of a lot that not a single candidate running can intelligently and thoughtfully
    bring to the table. Not a single one has learned the life experiences it takes to become a great leader of a great nation in dire need of a great leader.

  • pantera

    Cool acat. Defeating Obamas is the objective.
    I’ve enjoyed our back and forth.
    Well wishes brother and we’ll see who’s correct.

  • acat

    Would you believe self-portrait?

    We will indeed see who’s correct. As long as Ron Paul doesn’t win the nomination, we’ve got a chance.

    Mew

  • ihateliberals

    that is being picked once again by the Republican elite establishment is the absolutely worse of the worse choices. Mitt Romney is a RINO not a Republican. The Republican party use to stand for something and now it stands for nothing much at all. The Tea party was elected to stop the BS in the house and the establishment and the media have beat them down and they are afraid to speak up or in some cases demonized and then trivialized. It is like all the Conservatives have died and left all the dregs behind. Right now Bachman, Pawlenty and Cain are the only true conservatives running. Pawlenty has dropped out. Bachman got drug into a use conversation about HPV and Cain started playing the Race card and besides Obama has done so much damage to the Race that he doesn’t have a chance against Obama.

    They need to take a play from Reagan and not squabble with one another. When Bush attacked Reagan and called his economic plan VooDoo economics Reagan made a little comment and then proceeded to explain why his plan would work. I learned a lesson along time agao and it is one of my favorite sayings “Never wrestle with a Pig…. all that happens is you get dirty and the Pig likes it”.

    The candidates need to start telling me what they are going to do to fix things. Not why they are broke and not why so and so’s plan won’t work but what they will do. this keeps things positive and on track. The media and the Democrats are playing the candidates and all of the Republicans like a fiddle now. with all of the bills that have passed congress you would think tht the Democrats are still in charge. Maybe they are?

  • lilolady

    Yes, let’s drag that smelly old fish down the road and see how many critters it attracts. Pertaining to the issue of timely registering to run for office .. doesn’t that gate swing both ways? Palin “said”, Sept. /Oct.?
    Yet no one seems concerned about the timely sign-up of the opposition party’s candidate. Or the sign-up of the opposing democrat candidate to the Obama run for office. Aren’t they on the same calendar? Sept./ Oct.?

  • californiagold

    Back during the 1990′s term limits were all the rage. Then republicans took power and the issue seemed to die a slow death.

    Tom Coburn is correct. Term limits are part of what’s needed to get the necessary reforms in D.C.

  • steveinfl

    free ponies to every Cain supporter. You’ve earned it- you have absolved yourself of all racist tendencies, and will now be loved and admired from all liberals for changing your evil ways. Mitt REALLY thanks you, too.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    He did have a dynamite financial program.

    I wish Perry would come up with something soon.

  • wonkish1

    Personally I think he’s better than Romney, but convince the people of New Hampshire that.

    Look I’m kind of content whoever the nominee is among the pack. Nobody really makes me all excited, but nobody has me just livid like McCain and Huck would make me in 08.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I think it’s time to sort out my thoughts with a diary.

    Not right this second, but I have think it through a bit.

    But maybe all I want is someone who can win and not suck.

    That seems like a list that includes everyone but Santorum, Paul, Palin, and Bachmann (the first will win, but suck and the other three won’t win).

    So that leaves me any of Cain, Romney, Perry, Huntsman, Johnson, and Gingrich.

    Huh … I guess I didn’t need a whole diary.

  • wonkish1

    The thought of me actually having to become a temporary supporter of McCain, a man I’ve hated for more than a decade just because I hated Huck more just irked me to the bone. Dealing with Romney would still be a walk in the park compared to what I went through in 08.

    You’ve got my exact break down as well. Cain, Romney, Perry, Huntsman, Johnson, and Gingrich all acceptable to me.

    Santorum, Paul, Palin, and Bachmann can all take a hike in my book.

    Again as I mentioned in the other post, “A fisherman always recognizes another fisherman from afar.”

  • jdyer

    I appreciated your critique on the current GOP candidates and was only disappointed in your thoughts (or lack thereof) on Gingrich. In my opinion, you were very shallow and dismissive of the only candidate who:
    1. Has a conservative revolution named after him.
    2. Led the Congress to four budget surpluses in a row.
    3. Orchestrated the most sweeping social program change in history, (welfare) over the objections of a Democrat President.
    4. Left government and succeeded in the private sector.
    He is a “free-range” thinker; but on the fundamentals, he is a true conservative. He honors our Founding Fathers and our Founding Documents. He is a profound historian. I hate the fact that he has been married three times and divorced twice; but I hate the fact that I have been married three times and divorced three times! I hate the fact that the media drove him out of government; but I don’t think they can do it again! I support Gingrich/Cain.

  • http://www.whyromney.com Ryan Larsen

    The idea of using government funds to help people purchase private health insurance was touted by Ronald Reagan, who proposed reforms in 1983: “The plan expands opportunities for Medicare beneficiaries to use their benefits to enroll in private health plans as an alternative to traditional Medicare coverage.”

    Reagan did not tout a federal mandate, but neither did Romney, who did sign into law a state mandate. But Romney has said that if he could change the law he would no longer penalize people who don’t purchase insurance. ie – no mandate. (for more info see the open letter I wrote to RedState at www.intorightfield.com/romney-myths-red-state/)

    Obamacare imposes an unwise and unconstitutional mandate at the federal level, raises taxes and does many other undesirable things in its 2700 pages.

  • iidvbii

    As has been demonstrated countless times on this site. Romney is an opportunistic liar. Obama in republicans clothing. There isn’t a single issue I can think of he hasn’t had multiple positions on. Those positions all timed and selected by polling data.

  • http://www.whyromney.com Ryan Larsen

    Romney has always opposed gay marriage, for instance. In 1994 he opposed it, in 2002, etc. You may heard people claim that after the MA Supreme Judicial Court ruled gay marriage a right, Romney instituted it without the legislature codifying it into law. However, those who choose codification as their standard do not criticize Governor Rick Perry and all the other governors for enabling abortion (issuing licenses for clinics, etc.) in their states even though Texas and many other states have never codified it into law.

  • iidvbii

    To state his positions honestly and stand by them just say so. But don’t come pretending that Romney is in anyway principled. As stated above two minutes of research into his record disproves the “Romney can be taken at his word myth”. As for gay marriage which you brought up, the entirety of the GOP is unified in its opposition. Let that change and Romney will be the biggest tolerance advocate in the GOP.

  • http://www.whyromney.com Ryan Larsen

    is you assume the claims you found in your “research” are in full context and that there isn’t additional relevant info to consider.

    WhyRomney.com refutes many of the smears, but if you still have concerns I’d like to discuss those. Thanks.

  • iidvbii

    Let’s look at some real quick.
    http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2011/10/08/understanding-mitt-romney/
    I think that says it pretty well, running for senator in a blue state pro choice of course. Running for GOP nomination “I have always been pro-life”. Switch hit Mitt forgets it would seem that he has said this on tape.

  • http://www.whyromney.com Ryan Larsen

    He has said he has always been personally pro-life. And he has been.

  • iidvbii

    Unless you contention is that is not Mitt Romney on that video claiming to be pro choice???

  • devereaux

    Kyle, I was going to reply to you earlier but forgot.

    It is a myth that there’s not enough gold. It is a favorite talking point of Keynesian economists. . Ronald Reagan’s favorite economist the late Hans Sennholz of the Austrian School explains.

    http://tinyurl.com/lyko36

    Ralph Benko explains how the classical gold standard operated and also shoots down the not enough gold myth.

    http://tinyurl.com/45y5c6e

    Last week on the Fox Business channel Lewis E. Lehrman talks about Reagan and the gold standard. Under a gold standard it is the people not the politicians or bankers that control money. As a conservative libertarian this should be very important to you.

    http://tinyurl.com/4yu7kf2

  • gekster

    nt

  • PowerToThePeople

    them there is some dammmmn fine products he be a advertising. Why you want to run and make it so where we all can not buy those damn fine products.

    /sarc

  • Bill S

    .