It is ridiculous that I’m even having to write about this, but I am.
In the past 72 hours, I have gotten lots of emails from lots of people who should know better asking me if I’ve heard about Barack Obama sending American troops to Africa to go after the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA). The people hearing the name assume it is a Christian group fighting radical Islamists in the Sudan or some such.
It is no such thing.
We can debate whether sending military advisers — the numbers range from a few dozen to a hundred — to Uganda to help track down and capture LRA members, but let us not claim the LRA is something it is not.
A new movie will be out soon called Machine Gun Preacher documenting an American missionary’s struggles against the LRA.
The group claims to be an emissary from God capable of channeling the Holy Spirit. The group has notoriously gone through Uganda capturing children and turning them into soldiers and, when not successful, murdering them. The group engages in sex trafficking, slavery, murder, mutilation, and the list goes on and on.
LRA members have been hunted by George W. Bush and now by Barack Obama. They are an evil group and while we can debate the policy implications of the President sending troops off to Africa, we should not make victims or political points off the group the President will hopefully eradicate.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Eh
Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 10:07PM EDT (link)I don’t care about the LRA one way or another, but I just like pointing out to my liberal acquaintances that now Barack Obama has started just as many wars as George W Halibushitler.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Wrong.
govreaganfan Sunday, October 16th at 10:32PM EDT (link)Then you would be telling them wrong information.
These troops are armed Green Berets on a training mission. They do however have the freedom to wipe out anyone crazy enough to shoot at them.
Lighten up Francis
Darin_H (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 8:09AM EDT (link)Serious poster is Serious.
-frown face
-finger point
-tsk tsk
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Retired lieutenant colonel here...
kinnison Monday, October 17th at 9:32AM EDT (link)Does BHO even own a map? Sending American troops to central Africa—Uganda, CAR and South Sudan—is just stupid. Why did we not intervene in Rwanda during the genocide there? For the same reasons we should not be sending SF troops to Uganda and the surrounding countries… There is no compelling U.S. national interest, and as land-locked countries with few roads or railroads to the coast it is almost impossible to either supply or reinforce U.S. troops there. Our air transport assets are overextended already supporting Iraq and Afghanistan and it is impossible to support any significant size unit on the ground by air. Food, ammo and fuel weigh too much. “Only a few hundred…, out in weeks”… it never works out that way. “Mission creep” killed hundreds of Americans in Mogadishu, Somalia. There was no way to reinforce them with U.S. units. Let’s not do that again.
Do you believe
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 9:50AM EDT (link)that informing us you are a “retired lieutenant colonel” is going to make us accept your side of the argument as being more correct? Stop the chickenhawking and just state your case.
And we already have special forces in the area, not that difficult to utilize what is already there.
I don't see any chicken hawking here.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:01AM EDT (link)He makes very valid points.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
agree on the chickenhawking claim
streiff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:12AM EDT (link)as I said below, I don’t know what his rank has to do with anything. If anyone on this thread was going to throw that around with legitimacy it would be Ed54 who is a retired Special Forces officer.
I don’t agree with any of his points, other than Uganda being landlocked, but I don’t see the chickenhawking.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
don't know what your rank has to do with this
streiff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:02AM EDT (link)we didn’t intervene in Rwanda for a lot of reasons. Fecklessness among them.
To this point, as you well know, what is being sent to Uganda is a Mobile Training Team. We send these of countries all the time.
The host nation provides a lot of support via contract services.
This really isn’t a huge deal.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
No reason to assume
harling Monday, October 17th at 10:10AM EDT (link)that the administration isn’t trying to overextend our military–just as it has encouraged the Occupy movement, facilitated arming Mexican drug cartels, etc.
The only two options are that the President, and his advisers and administration at large, are incompetent, or are causing these crises deliberately. Maybe some mixture of the two.
I'm not convinced that going after the LRA
bonnman Sunday, October 16th at 11:59PM EDT (link)is the best idea but your false equivalence here is ridiculous.
Goes for you too
Darin_H (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 8:10AM EDT (link)see above.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Really, people
Paula (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 10:08PM EDT (link)LMGTFY
We need to stop wasting time on conspiracy theories. It takes 3 seconds to debunk something like this.
Paula
My blog: Bold Colors
Follow me on Twitter: pbolyard
Yes, but does he think they're Christians?
reggie1 Monday, October 17th at 12:27PM EDT (link)“The President is Not Going to Africa to Kill Christians” says the RedState headline.
But can RedState prove the President knew the LRA is not Christian?
My intel was that upon inauguration he wanted to bomb the White House, until informed that was just its name.
OK, so who has the info on why it is in our National interest
Tbone (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 10:10PM EDT (link)to send troops to Central Africa? Anyone?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
555
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 11:31PM EDT (link)A landlocked country in Africa with few natural resources? What could possibly be less relevant to American interests?
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
That region is a potential haven for Al Qaeda
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:08AM EDT (link)who already moves freely through Somalia and parts of Kenya and Tanzania. We are trying to prevent Uganda, Rwanda, CAR, and South Sudan from becoming failed states, which would enable further freedom of movement for AQ. The LRA destabilizes those states by targeting their civilian populations. While it is not in our vital interest, therefore direct combat operations are not justified, it is certainly an important enough interest to justify a low risk advisory operation, just as we do in dozens of other countries around the world.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Under that rubric...
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:24AM EDT (link)Anywhere is a “potential haven for Al Qaeda”. Mexico is a “potential haven for Al Qaeda”. The whole Middle East is a “potential haven for Al Qaeda”. Exactly how many countries are we going to invade or “advise” under that rubric?
Filling sub-Saharan Africa with social democracies based on the specter of Al-Qaeda is impractical — and yes, that’s what it will take to make these regions stable. If we’re going to commit acts of warfare in any country that is unstable, and hope that they get better, then you better get used to lots of losses and stalemates. People are overvaluing the extent to which Al-Qaeda can mobilize and perpetuate themselves in “unstable” countries; I haven’t seen any experts state (credibly or otherwise) that Al Qaeda has the capacity to mobilize in Central African countries which are largely traditionalist or Christian in their beliefs.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
We will advise anyone who needs it
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:10AM EDT (link)and accepts our help. We have put advisors in dozens of countries since 911, most of which you are only vaguely aware of. Special Forces teams routinely travel to many African countries to work with their militaries. This differs only in scope and focus. By advising them now, we avoid having to invade them later.
If you haven’t seen any reports on Al Qaeda’s capacity to mobilize in Africa, then you are simply not looking. Google “Al Qaeda in Uganda”.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Then Nuke it but...
drifter Monday, October 17th at 10:16PM EDT (link)don’t send troops!
Peace and freedom are in our national interest
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:41AM EDT (link)I’m with Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater on that.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
How does this truism *not*
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:36AM EDT (link)justify intervention anywhere and always?
Morally, I’d agree with you.
Pragmatically, relying on that axiom to provide guidance in foreign policy is a terrible idea.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
It does justify intervention
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:53AM EDT (link)That’s the point.
And we’re talking about sending a few advisers here. Why don’t y’all isolationists tell us what’s so wrong about that?
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
I think the burden of proof
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:02AM EDT (link)is on those who contend that it’s a good idea, given that it is they who insist on the use of my taxes and the use of the volunteer military’s resources.
Not a *just* idea. A *good* one. I can write sonnets on the good intentions behind liberal policy; I don’t need more material to write a similar one on the justness of the US and the evil of its adversaries.
PS: Tsk, tsk, Neil — I’d think that you’d know by now the difference between an isolationist and a realist.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Don't really care what you call yourself
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:05AM EDT (link)And really if you’re trying to persuade us that the Goldwater/Reagan tradition is wrong, yeah, the burden of proof is 100% on you.
So let’s hear it. Why is bad sending a few advisers to Africa to fight terrorists who kill, kidnap, torture, and even practice slavery of woman and girls?
Come on. Make your case why America’s interests are held by watching and shrugging.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Well since you asked so nicely...
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:16AM EDT (link)This commits the US’ prestige once more to a conflict where it does not have forces adequate to guarantee its preferred end-states (such as they are).
This requires us modernizing, training and equipping the forces of one-party states, as well as potentially providing them intel about their countries and neighbors (and probably increasing foreign aid to the region). In a region which was host to one of the world’s bloodiest conflicts (Second Congo War), perpetrated by these very states, that may not be a novel idea.
There is little, if any, benefit to the US regardless of outcome.
There is little, if any, guarantee of increased freedoms for the people caught between the horrific LRA and the one-party states they’re fighting based on the strategy I’ve heard.
There are opportunity costs to intervening in this area — both the political costs of increasing American resistance to future endeavors, and the actual costs of depriving either US or allied governments of the expertise of these advisers.
The US will be on the hook for whatever goes wrong in the region from a humanitarian perspective from here on out.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I might have been interested in this response...
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:18AM EDT (link)… until the mask slipped and you got in your shot against Bush.
But now I see you for what you are.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Yeah.
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:21AM EDT (link)Clearly, I’m Ron Paul’s second coming. I’m just tucking away the anti-American and anti-Semitic stuff for later…
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
At this point I'd believe it from a libertine (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:26AM EDT (link).
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
So why is it that you support Bush?
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 6:51AM EDT (link)He was a pretty bad president by most people’s accounts.
His administration got us involved in conflicts, one which was necessary, the other is questionable. But then he dallied for three years while our troops got killed until firing Rumsfeld and finally going in with enough power to finish the war.
That caused him to lose public support. He instituted a lot of questionable things with the Patriot act, but while trying to bend the constitution in order to protect us, he refused to do even a cursory enforcement of our borders. In fact the Obama administration is ten times better than the Bush administration on border enforcement.
He had NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER to the principle of federalism. He stepped all over states rights with no child left behind and even if you disagree with those states who allowed medicinal marijuana, he had no right under the constitution to force them to comply with contradictory federal laws.
He also had NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to reign in government spending, in fact he created a vast new entitlement with medicare,
And it is directly because of his maladministration and the rinos in congress that we now have the odious Obama.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
"Neighborhood Bullies"
eddie74 Monday, October 17th at 9:29AM EDT (link)The World Countries must now be considered a small neighborhood in which the “Bullies” of one country can now quickly affect the Peace & Tranquility of all neighboring countries.. Centuries ago all countries were mostly isolated from one-another due to poor or no transportation mediums.. With such isolation, who cared what they did behind their “closed door.”
Now-days, neighborhood “Bullies” must be dealt with if there is to be Peace in the World Neighborhood..
See, when you have a messed-up world
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:07AM EDT (link)and limited funds, ability to mobilize, and when there are opportunity costs to backing one side in a conflict over another, you have to think about when and where to commit on the world stage. Then there’s the potential of escalation — from “days, not weeks” to “mission accomplished”, it’s clear that we’ve been wildly optimistic regarding how good our forces are at effecting change in countries with no prior tradition of liberal democracy.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
You're a fool, aesthete
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:12AM EDT (link)You just tried to equate Bush and Obama. It’s clear you have a deep, emotional resentment for the war on terror here. It’s clouding your judgement that you’re just spouting total nonsense here.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
What do you anticipate, Neil?
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:19AM EDT (link)I don’t mean this as a gotcha — I mean, realistically, what do you expect from this move?
The best case scenario — we kick the LRA’s ass, the crowd goes wild — is pretty awesome stuff, but unlikely without committing more resources. It’s also an outcome that really does nothing for us but give us the warm fuzzies. Let’s talk outcomes, here: what is the payoff for us, and how do 100 advisers get it for us?
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Mission Accomplished
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:24AM EDT (link)When you bring up the left’s favorite smear, complete with the completely ignorant misunderstanding of what it meant, I can only shake my head and wonder about your education son.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
IIRC, "Mission Accomplished"
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:41AM EDT (link)was a reference to the Bush administration’s wildly optimistic beliefs regarding post-occupation Iraq’s stability as a representative democracy. I don’t think that the inaccuracy of these predictions is up for dispute.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Mission Accomplished referred to the literal mission of the USS Abraham Lincoln
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:44AM EDT (link)They were celebrating coming home.
So take your tired lefty talking points and shove them.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Well... OK
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:04AM EDT (link)If that’s your takeaway from that phrase when it’s used, then all power to you. I’d say that most people, left and right, remember it for Bush’s speech on the hangar deck addressing his fellow Americans hailing an end of major combat operations in Iraq — a prediction which proved to be false and representative of a lot of what went wrong with Iraq. Me, personally? I’m not particularly upset about that part of what went wrong in Iraq (I certainly don’t think Bush is some sort of all-powerful genie who intended Iraq to go wrong), but it’s nonetheless a good example of how wrong administrations often are when calculating how much time and effort a conflict will take — and why I’m taking the “100 advisors” with a grain of salt at present.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Kowalski
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:05AM EDT (link)At any rate, I’ve had my say. G’night, y’all.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
It's documented fact
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:07AM EDT (link)But please, keep reading from the script Howard Dean gave you.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
I stand with Neil, RonReagan, BarryGoldwater
eddie74 Monday, October 17th at 9:47AM EDT (link)There is an Old Muslim saying, “You can beat on the Body forever, but if you cut off the Head of the Snake, the Body will wiggle & squirm for only a short time.
aesthete, – your small bag of marbles lacks a few good “Shooters.” Read the Views of others on the NET and maybe you’ll learn more about the falicies of your own view.. Small Minds can Grow with good Nutritional Information..
Man
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 9:55AM EDT (link)One of those names is not like the other. One of those is not the same.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Let me clarify this for little "aesthete"
eddie74 Monday, October 17th at 10:24AM EDT (link)America has finally learned that Huge Armies in Battle only beat on the Body, – while small, Special Squads, (or remote Drones) carefully inserted behind the enemy lines can take out the Head of the Snake.
Ask any Arab Muslim how successful these small assasination Squads have been for them over the Centuries in taking out & conquering another enemy tribe.. Without the coniving, evil Head, – the Body wiggles & squirms and finally goes back to it’s agrarian task of raising sheep & looking for their next meal..
Ps: The Ancient Assinians were good at the practice of sneaking into & killing the tribal Head of the Enemy Snake and would hire themselves out to the various Nomadic Arab Tribes, – hence the name “Assasin” was dirived from the Ancient Assinians method of specific targeted killing..
Little Aesthete, let’s hope you learned something useful today.. Add ONE marble to your sack, – properly used, it can become your best “Shooter.”
"what is the payoff for us,
rattlerjake Monday, October 17th at 12:18PM EDT (link)and how do 100 advisers get it for us?” Obviously you haven’t a clue about the workings of Special Forces, I suggest you read up on the background and abilities of “Green Berets”. These are not Rangers, Force Recon Marines, or Navy Seals. They are trained for all of those jobs plus considerably more. As advisers, an SF team or split team can train and mentor thousands of troops, who will then do the fighting for themselves, with minimal help. It’s like teaching the kid being picked on by the ‘bully’ how to defend himself. The payoff is that later we likely will not need to throw massive amounts of aid at the problem , just maintain a minimal advisory group involved.
No He** NO it doesn't
rcastonjr Monday, October 17th at 10:49AM EDT (link)justify intervention in yet ANOTHER country. We can’t afford the messes we are in already. We can’t afford the hundreds of bases with the hundreds of thousands of troops scattered around the world yet we just keep sending em. We will just let Bernanke print up some more money to pay for all this I suppose. Our founders are rolling over in their graves. They would have NEVER approved of the constant meddling in the affairs of other countries. How many more of our sons and daughters will have to die before we “win”? Our military is not the worlds policemen and we should stop using them as such. Enough is enough.
And let me reply
rcastonjr Monday, October 17th at 11:11AM EDT (link)to myself in anticipation of the next rebuttal which will undoubtedly call me an isolationist. I have noticed a trend that today’s conservatives, and I am one, love to throw down the ISOLATIONISTS card whenever someone like me throws up the BS Flag when we get into other nation’s business, invited or otherwise, and I say we don’t belong there. Well, go study some history will you. Our Founders were NOT isolationists were they? Well, come on history majors, were they? No, they were not. Yet they said we had no business interfering in the affairs of others did they not? So, according to many of you they were ISOLATIONISTS then! Well you would be wrong. VERY wrong. They were NOT isolationists but were NON-INTERVENTIONISTS. No, they are no the same so don’t go there. Nice try though. Our Founders wanted us to say neutral and stay out of the affairs of other nations as each one was sovereign just as they wanted other nations to stay out of OUR affairs. Yet, we had an open trade policy with any nation willing to trade with us whether we liked them or they liked us. Hence, non-INTERVENTIONISTS. But our Founders also believed we should build and maintain the strongest DEFENSE forces the world had ever known. You attack us at your peril. There is you history lesson for the day. Many of you guys thrown around the isolationist crap which is just not true. Your favorite whipping boy, Ron Paul, is a non-interventionist just as our founders were. Many of us conservatives still believe in those principles.
Why does it justify intervention
thirstyboots Monday, October 17th at 10:55AM EDT (link)I’ve seen that asserted multiple times in this thread but not once explained.
Interventions under Reagan tended to be brief, decisive and with the rationale of defending concrete and tangible American interests (and not abstract concepts like “humanitarism”).
Not In Our National Interest, You Say?
MikeG (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:12AM EDT (link)It is in our national interest to build goodwill and establish allies in as many countries and regions of the world as possible. One never knows what America’s strategic needs might be 10, 30, or 50 years down the road. Certainly 15 years ago no one would have anticipated that America would soon need to establish air bases and logistical networks across Central Asia. Then 9/11 happened.
This current deployment serves the above purpose at relatively little cost, and is in line with US foreign policy stretching back for several administrations. Sending advisors to work with the military and security forces of these nations means that rapport will be established, respect will be earned, and relationships formed, not just with the current political and military leadership of these nations, but also with the junior officers working in the field with our people. This younger generation will most likely be comprised of the up-and-comers in their military (who else would receive the honor and responsibility of representing their nation’s military in the field to the famed US Green Berets), and the (hopefully positive) experience of working and training alongside US service members to secure their nation against a barbaric foe will leave a lasting impression on them. Twenty years from now, when these junior officers are running the general staffs and the defense ministries of their nations, and we come to them with a request for air space rights in support of a more-pressing strategic need, they will remember their friends the Americans who helped them in their time of need, and be more inclined return the favor.
This is, by the way, the same reason we invite thousands of officers from around the world to come train at various DOD schools alongside our officers: it is one of the most effective ways we have at building long-term relationships with these nation’s militaries. We may or may not ever have need to call upon them, but when we do, they pay off in spades.
I recommend Robert Kaplan’s book “American Grunts” for a more in-depth treatment on the kinds of operations like this that the US military conducts around the world, mostly out of the public eye, but always in support of our long-term national security interests.
kowalski
MikeG (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:15AM EDT (link)There is also the fact that the Lord’s Resistance Army needs to have every square inch of their collective asses kicked, and if we can help facilitate that while doing all of the above, so much the better.
LRA
neoavatara (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 10:16PM EDT (link)Is basically committing genocide. They are evil, and should be eradicated.
Whether we, the U.S., should be doing it is another issue all together.
www.neoavatara.com/blog
We are not doing it
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:10AM EDT (link)We are providing advisory assistance to those who are doing it.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Shining city on a hill
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:06AM EDT (link)I’m with Reagan. Americans are the force to do this.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Questions
altexas Sunday, October 16th at 10:29PM EDT (link)Some horrific crimes are attributed to members of this group. What religion does the whole belong to?
Is Obama sending troops in to target this group?
Did he talk to Congress before taking this action?
If not Christians, who will he be killing?
If this believer in ‘black liberation theology’ is going to kill Christians, why not say so?
I had 10th comment in my pool.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 10:34PM EDT (link)Looks like I lost…
“Baseball fits America well because it expresses our longing for the rule of law while licensing our resentment of law givers.” ― Major League Commissioner of Baseball A. Bartlett Giamatti
Christians in the same sense
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 11:33PM EDT (link)that Adolf Hitler was a Christian, maybe.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Not even in that sense, really
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:01AM EDT (link)The LRA does not practice any known religion, unless Crazy is now a denomination. The presence of “Lord” in their name does not indicate an affinity for Christianity or anything else, and appears mainly to be a manifestation of the ego of their leader, Joseph Kony.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Neither did Hitler
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:10AM EDT (link)He was far off the Catholic reservation when it came right down to it.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Remember Rev.Jim Jones of Gianna,Africa
eddie74 Monday, October 17th at 11:03AM EDT (link)Do Not drink the tainted Cool Aid of just any fly-by-night Pastor preaching some strange Religion claiming a direct “Channel to God Almighty.” (Obama take NOTE) You drank the Poisin of Rev.Wright for 20 years and see what this has done to your Mind..!! But Wait, – You may have been terminally Blinded by this Poisin.. There is None so Blind as He who will not See…!!
eddie, you don't know that Guyana is in South America,
gekster (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 11:28AM EDT (link)not Africa.
Did you go on assumptions because of the way the name sounded.
If you have this one geograpical error a 5th grader would know,
it leaves me to question what else you are misinformed on.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
One word in error
eddie74 Monday, October 17th at 11:06PM EDT (link)Typical of a small mind is to completely miss the Main Points in an otherwise very informative Message.. Find just ONE word off target and you go Biszerk. Small Minds do that you know, but overall, – your own simple statements of rebuke would embarrass a 5th grader, but if you will credit them to a 3rd grade level, they are more appropriete.. Continue to read the better comments on this Blog to up-grade your simple thoughts.. Even Small Minds can Grow with good Nutritional Information.. Now go outside and Play Nice with the neighbor kids.
Oh Sweet, Mother of Jesus!
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 11:51AM EDT (link)I heard this Internet rumor that Pres Obama was sending Special Forces guys to Gahenna, Africa. Any truth?
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Public education is a failure!
rattlerjake Monday, October 17th at 12:33PM EDT (link)eddie74 and Repair_Man_Jack are proof that our public schools are not working. Gianna, Africa and Gahenna, Africa? Do you morons not know how to research or at least use GOOGLE to check your facts?
Do You Typically Irony Your Shirts, Rattler?
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:37PM EDT (link)Gahenna is an old, Jewish epithet for Hell.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
win
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:32PM EDT (link)nt
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Typical.....
govreaganfan Sunday, October 16th at 10:29PM EDT (link)Typical, no independent confirmation, although its only a few key strokes away.
They just hear Obama is doing “X” and like Pavlov’s dogs start relaying bogus trash.
If there is one thing i dislike about my party is letting our crazies out of the cellar to mix amongst us normal Repubs.
Go away birthers, truthers and crazies….you making us all look bad.
The LRA actually fight AGAINST Christians
Ed54 (Diary) Sunday, October 16th at 11:52PM EDT (link)in that they operate partly within the Republic of South Sudan, the world’s newest country and most recent UN member (July 2011). South Sudan is a majority Christian country that split off from the rest of Sudan during the Sudanese Civil War. The LRA targets the population of South Sudan, weakening the newly formed government.
Someone asked what US national interests in fighting the LRA are. The LRA destabilizes several countries in the region which have been moving towards democracy after long years as military dictatorships and/or failed states. It is in the US interest to bring stability to this region, because failed states create an environment that Al Qaeda thrives in. There have been Al Qaeda terrorist attacks in Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda in the last 10 years.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Why wasn't it important
tobytucker Monday, October 17th at 12:21AM EDT (link)to intervene in the all the fighting that took place beforehand? Hundreds, if not thousands were killed. Tens of thousands became homeless refugees. Certainly some lives will be saved now, but a lot more bloodshed and hardship could have been avoided if he had acted during the wider conflict. Then again, that would have called for way more than a hundred “Advisers”. Sounds like Obama is playing “small ball” to me.
[Citation needed]
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:31AM EDT (link)“failed states create an environment that Al Qaeda thrives in.”
Saudi Arabia is far from a failed state, and Al Qaeda thrived there for some time.
North Korea is by any definition a failed state, yet Al Qaeda is not thriving there.
Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are all failed states to varying degrees, and all of Latin America has a history of hosting failed states.
Failed states are failed states; nothing more. They are neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for an environment wherein Al Qaeda thrives. (I’d say that some level of Muslim population would be a more significant value in that regard.) Moreover, there is very little evidence that we are capable of creating stable states without a prior history of stability.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I'm not stating my opinions
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:23AM EDT (link)I’m describing official US policy as established in the National Security Strategy since 2003:
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2003/02terrorism_rice.aspx
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Many holes in your facts and logic
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:39AM EDT (link)First, North Korea is not a failed state by the standard definition, the first tenet of which is “loss of control of its territory”. While they clearly have some economic problems, from an internal security standpoint North Korea is the exact opposite of a failed state. They have the most robust population control of any state on earth.
Second, geography and ethnicity matters. Failed states in central Africa are different from failed states in Latin America because they are 1) physically adjacent to existing Al Qaeda operational areas and groups such as Al Shabab in Somalia, Kenya, and Tanzania, and 2) are racially and ethnically similar. If you look at any FBI “most wanted” poster of AQ leadership, you will see that a significant portion ofthem are black Africans. Those terrorists can move freely through porous borders and overpopulated cities in Africa without calling attention to themselves, and they have a support network of Islamists. By contrast, Al Qaeda has very few hispanic leaders, and to get to Latin America they would have to take an international flight, which is not so easy for them these days.
Third, we are not trying to create a stable sate from a failed state. We are trying to assist an already stable state to remain stable. Plenty of evidence that we can do that.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
An additional note...
rattlerjake Monday, October 17th at 12:39PM EDT (link)Central and South American countries also have very strong drug cartels which would not be very accommodating of AL Qaeda mooching in on their territory.
One has to wonder
tobytucker Monday, October 17th at 12:06AM EDT (link)With all the cases of Africans doing horrific things to other Africans, oft-times on a massive scale, why has this seemingly insignificant group been singled out for intervention? Not that these people don’t need to be dealt with, but why them and why now?
Two reasons
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:13AM EDT (link)1. Because that particular region represents a potential safe haven and transit point for Al Qaeda to link their operational areas on the east coast of Africa with their operational areas in the Sahara and Pan Sahel.
2. Because we can. Many of the other situations in Africa were unsolvable, or solvable only at a much greater cost than we were willing to pay in resources and lives. In this situation, we can take effective action with minimal risk, and zero complaints from our our allies or anyone else.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Soros's Internation Crisis Group recommended it.
bs61 Monday, October 17th at 12:36AM EDT (link)And Soros has oil interests in Uganda… per the WND article.
Anything to take the focus
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:29AM EDT (link)off of Obama and what a colossal failure his liberal policies are. Same thing with OWS. Why, three years after the bail-outs, are they just now getting around to protesting? See my first sentence.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
The OWS protests have been planned for awhile...
bs61 Monday, October 17th at 12:33AM EDT (link)Big Government has two stories of emails from the occupy group they infiltrated. Big huge dem party connections.
Exactly my point.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:01AM EDT (link)The timing was orchestrated to take the focus off of Obama. Otherwise, they would have sprung up right after the bail-outs.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
I have to agree with you RWM.
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:08PM EDT (link)Why is Obama doing this now? Mass murder and genocide has been going on in Africa prior to this point and nothing was done by him. Why the urgency now?
It is very suspect and there are almost certiainly some ulterior motives here.
Our ignorance is just peachy
florajo Monday, October 17th at 12:38AM EDT (link)This post is a little bit of evidence that our party could accidentally collapse under a rubble pile of ignorance. And the GOP would be fine with taking whatever side we imagined was the good side, no matter how incoherent.
Posted earlier on the subject
Wayne (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 12:42AM EDT (link)But, didn’t get any response, so I presumed it wasn’t a topic of interest, though it is certainly one of the most significant actions by this administration this week.
Wayne
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson -
It's worth noting, however
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:13AM EDT (link)that even though the LRA is pretty abominable, inserting ourselves in this situation will not necessarily help matters.
The countries that we are helping are not representative, pluralistic and (most importantly) free democracies, and they definitely do not protect minority rights. Uganda is in the throes of a one-party junta which has ruled since the 80s; there is no real semblance of political or other rights. The Democratic Republic of Congo’s army is routinely cited for its horrible treatment of both its host population and those it is “pacifying”, and has received criticism for both institutionalized torture and rape. We are, when it comes down to it, talking about training the armies of these despots and consolidating their control over their countries. These are states that perpetrated what is, quite literally, the bloodiest conflict since WWII (Second Congo War). So tell me: how is consolidating power in these regions under one-party states going to help matters, assuming that adding a small foreign element can effectively end or reduce the power of the LRA and other non-state actors.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
So we're back to nation-building neo-conservatism?
BigRedConservative (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:33AM EDT (link)Because that worked so well back in Iraq, didn’t it? Kony and the LRA are tyrannic criminals who deserve to be punished. But at a time when Afghanistan is turning into a mire from which it is more and more likely we will not escape, putting a few hundred troops into Central Africa is just foolhardy. Because a few hundred turn into a few thousand, and a few thousand turn into a few tens of thousands, and then…
And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now
Radiohead
It did work in Iraq
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 3:51AM EDT (link)Psst. Ask the Democrats for a new set of talking points. The old Howard Dean anti-Bush ones are obsolete.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Perhaps Iraq was a bad example
BigRedConservative (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 5:10AM EDT (link)Vietnam might be more apt. Vietnam started with “military advisers — the numbers range from a few dozen to a hundred” going into a foreign country to fight tyranny. Vietnam ended with about 60 000 Americans dead and the mission failing badly. Does America have enough money to go fighting more Vietnams? Perhaps we should just focus for now on cleaning up against Al-Qaeda and the like.
And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now
Radiohead
We won in Vietnam
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 5:37AM EDT (link)We secured a treaty protecting our South Vietnamese allies. The only problem was that we had a bunch of people *afterward* snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by claiming America had no interests in Vietnam, so we stood aside and watched the slaughter.
So again, bad example.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
more examples?
streiff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 9:19AM EDT (link)Germany? France? Italy? Greece (well that is up for grabs)? Republic of Korea?
Nation building works every freakin’ time it is actually tried.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:59AM EDT (link)Is a logical fallacy. The presence of advisors did not “cause” us to later commit combat troops to Vietnam.. Both were a reflection of our assessment of our national interests there, rather than one causing the other. There is nothing to indicate we would ever escalate to sending substantial combat troops to Uganda.
A better example would be El Salvador. We aggressively deployed Special Forces combat advisors for 20 years without ever being drawn into the conflict, which our client eventually won.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Slippery slope is a logical fallacy
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 11:06AM EDT (link)There is nothing in this situation to suggest escalation is a possible outcome. For every example you give of advisors escalating into large combat deployments, I can give 5 examples where it did not. For starters: El Salvador, Colombia, Honduras, and the Phillippines.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
The obvious question...
rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 5:26AM EDT (link)…which Chris Wallace posed to Dianne Feinstein yesterday, is:
“Why not apply these principles [cited elsewhere] regarding Syria?”
And how can BHO still support Egypt’s condoning the killing of the Copts?
And are we not engaging in mission-creep with regard to Libya?
Color me “skeptical” as to how anyone could articulate a “BHO Doctriine”!
Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net
[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]
“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”
Obama and the Lord's Army
paco12348 Monday, October 17th at 6:49AM EDT (link)I had to laugh when I read this article. All the emails Erickson received prove what I’ve been saying all along. America’s educational system has turned this country into an unthinking, uneducated mass of empty vessels. What are they being taught? Nothing. Do they know how to read and research for the truth? They can barely read and research is a word they’ve never heard. Do they know global warming and Unions? Yes, down to the dotted i. Do they know Capitalism? Yes, and it’s bad.
Do school systems teach people to use their God Given Intelligence? No. They “shape”, they “mold” and end up with a glob of nothing. Do they teach people to look at both sides and finally look for the source before making up their mind? Nope. Waste of time. Believe what you read and hear and let the master pull your strings. Oh, gee, sounds like I’m also talking about the OWL’s doesn’t it!
That's a bit of an overstatement
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 11:10AM EDT (link)The reality is that idiots exist in every country. You can reliably count on 10%-20% of people to believe even the most preposterious theories. How else to explain 911 truthers? The difference is that in other cultures they sit around the village and swap crazy stories while they tend the goats, while in America they get polled monthly and write letters to the editor weekly. The internet magnifies their presence and feeds them to some extent, but they have always been around and always will be, regardless of how great our schools become.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Both right to an extent...
rattlerjake Monday, October 17th at 12:59PM EDT (link)But Paco12348 is very correct. Our public schools propagandize our children with mostly liberal information. They are inundated with gay/lesbianism, racism towards whites, that illegals need to be accepted, that it’s OK to be fat, all men are cheaters, free school lunches, free pell grants for college, you deserve a high paying job, etc., etc. These children are taught to pass a specific test not given an education. They are not taught to think for themselves, but it’s also the parents that continue the same path at home. Parents fail to teach responsibility and skills needed to survive on their own. Sorry Ed54, but 10-20% is low balling it, it’s closer to 50%, considering nearly every liberal in this country fits the profile, just look at the OWS crowd.
Why would he send our troops?
gunsrus Monday, October 17th at 6:57AM EDT (link)when he can fund the local Marxist warlords to do it for him?
using our tax dollars and confederate currency?
They are his support base anyways, it could be counted as part of his jobs program. The man isn’t stupid, just evil.
Didn't Vietnam start out with "advisers"?
boonerdan (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 7:10AM EDT (link)Seems like every time we send military “advisers”, we eventually end up in the middle of the fighting. Didn’t “candidate” Obama run against Bush (oops, meant McAmnesty) for foreign wars and conflicts?
Let me see if can put this on simple terms for everyone to understand: WE ARE FREAKIN’ BROKE! Stop spending money we don’t have!
555
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 7:19AM EDT (link)Every single conflict since the Korean war has either ended badly for us or worse yet, has never ended. Nothing good can come of this, and as you point out, we are broke.
Not only just broke, but our armed forces are spread very very thin,
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
And it was the right thing to do
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 7:27AM EDT (link)Vietnam was the right war, and we won it. It’s unfortunately President Johnson, as rightly pointed out by Senator Goldwater, was too timid to win it as quickly as he should have, but it was a war and we needed to fight it.
RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
this is quite silly
streiff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 9:29AM EDT (link)what exactly do you think SF A and B Teams spend their time doing? Drinking beer and chasing poon in Fayetteville, NC?
This is a training mission. We’ve done those in sub-Saharan Africa for decades. We have a combatant command, AFRICOM (http://www.africom.mil/), focused on the region and a SF Group (3d Group) with a sub-Saharan Africa focus.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
5x5
Ed54 (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 11:12AM EDT (link)3rd Group is in and out of Africa all the time. This is just a little bigger and more visible.
“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus
Not true
welder4 Monday, October 17th at 7:21AM EDT (link)We need to check out everything for our selves because both republican and democrat will use things such as this to further their cause, over zealous ones that do not check out the validity only the sledge hammer effect. seems they are in a contest to sling the most mud not run for office. I still will vote for any one but Obama and it will be the republican nominee because if I stay at home or vote for a third party it will help elect Obama, what a cruel joke that would be.
Church
welder4 Monday, October 17th at 7:28AM EDT (link)To call the group Christians is about like grouping us together with the Westboro church, only much worse at least Westboro does not go about cutting up their enemy . Make no mistake no one in the Baptist church likes or goes along with Westboro.
I'm sorry but this seems like a lot to do about nothing.
ihateliberals Monday, October 17th at 8:22AM EDT (link)I am a hardcore conservative and i think tht this story would have hardly even be mentioned had it not been for the fact that a Black President that is embroiled in many controversies did this. A non-black President doing this would not have even raised and eyebrow. I am not an Obama supporter by any stretch of the imagination and I never thought i would be saying this but give the guy a break.
critique has nothing to do with race...
rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:35PM EDT (link)…and it has everything to do with how he invokes American resources.
His choices are problematic, inconsistent, and self-destructive.
Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net
[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]
“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”
If Obama wants to reduce black on black violence,
Tbone (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 10:15AM EDT (link)he should send Special Forces to Chicago.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Did Congress approve this action?
gaudium Monday, October 17th at 10:37AM EDT (link)Did Congress approve this action or is it another Obummer I’m the president and I will do as I wish! Besides the United Nations thinks it’s a good idea, screw the American taxpayer.
yes
rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 2:40PM EDT (link)http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1067/show
S.1067 – Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009
A bill to support stabilization and lasting peace in northern Uganda and areas affected by the Lord’s Resistance Army through development of a regional strategy to support multilateral efforts to successfully protect civilians and eliminate the threat posed by the Lord’s Resistance Army and to authorize funds for humanitarian relief and reconstruction, reconciliation, and transitional justice, and for other purposes.
Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net
[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]
“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”
American Nat Interests, UN InterNat Interests
horizonscanner Monday, October 17th at 1:11PM EDT (link)This is a matter for the UN and the Organization of African States. China as the manpower and the money to occupy the area and eradicate the menace.
erratum
horizonscanner Monday, October 17th at 1:13PM EDT (link)“has” China has the manpower and the money to eradicate this menace.
China's Manpower Is Occupied Internally.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, October 17th at 1:15PM EDT (link)They use their military to do a lot of work that various law enforcement agencies do internally in the US. That’s part of why tanks were involved in putting down the Chinese Democracy Movement in Tiennamen Square.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Let's Spend More Money
carolynr Monday, October 17th at 2:21PM EDT (link)We are now fighting in seven countries and have military in 130 more. How about we bring them back and protect our border. Sound isolationist…perhaps…but, quite frankly…we never go to win anything…just run up a bill. Want to get rid of this group…send the Air Force and get rid of them…otherwise…get your hands out of my pocket…I’m broke
No, he's not going to Africa to kill Christians
jnolan33 Monday, October 17th at 7:47PM EDT (link)What Obama is doing in Africa is setting the stage to acquire Kenya as the 51st state of the union, retroactive to 1950. That way he will not have to deal with any birther issues during the 2012 election.