Herman Cain Singlehandedly Revives an Old Stereotype

clintonformccain

Joking about eletrocuting Latinos is probably not a great electoral strategy for a Republican Presidential nominee….

waxmanlaw

Screw the country if they can’t take a good joke. If someone can get through all that, I will hire them also.

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

The most Optimistic part about CAIN’s joke…

Is that the person that survives all of that will still want to live and work in the U.S.

bk

because no one watches MSNBC.

avgjo

to walk back all his controversial statements. Before, he would claim that his comments were taken out of context, or he would change/amend what he said, or he’d outright accuse the speaker of lying. Now, it looks to many like he’s just added a new tool to his box: ‘I was joking.’

Do I believe Cain want to electrocute immigrants? No.

BUT, the libs have portrayed republicans as being exactly this for years. To have Cain say this is the best thing they could hope for. Now, all they have to do is play all his backtracks and put those next to this; to many idiots, it’ll just look like another backtrack.

Common_Cents

I’d say, Gregory, let’s watch the video. You really think I was serious? or are you just trying to start controversy? How dumb are you?

Until we start doing this, we’ll get the stupid media attacks, twisting and turning everything.

We need to take these morons on face to face and call them out.

gnorc

more like joking about attempted lawbreakers electrocuting themselves?

throwback59

when I first read it. I’m disappointed because the 20ft high barbed wire electrified wall is exactly what we need.
Too bad.

bzip

It was in bad taste for this tasteless joke by Cain. Say what you will and try to as much as you want but this is far from a laughing matter.

It is NOT presidential to be going around “joking” about such issues. Not to mention it really embarrasses the GOP and creates even a stronger backlash against the GOP as well as driving more and more Hispanics away. Personally I am offended and I am not even Hispanic.

Just another one of Cain’s gaffes or red meat for the fools that want and disire such non-sense.

politicalgal1

This isn’t the first time Cain has made a foolish comment and then tried to brush it off as “It is a joke”. Lack of good judgment not a good presidential quality.

I regret that the Tennessee tea party groups Cain was addressing were applauding and cheering his comments.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Twenty feet high with razor wire five feet down from the top on the inside of both fences and razor wire in the full fifteen foot breach between the fences.

Outside the fences, anti–personnel mines loaded with paint balls in fluorescent colors so anybody who does get through is easy to find.

I also wouldn’t mind a catapult to launch the invaders back over the fence into Mexico.

acat

I hear your state has a gopher problem….

Mew

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Plus, the AP mines going off will provide a nice alert.

tngal

You notice with or without jest, everybody who has heard his statements or read his website know exactly where he stands. He is not apologizing or trying to say it was good for one state but maybe not another, or lets have a bunch of illegals amnestied in and then we’ll secure the border. He is not soft on the issue.

A reporter doesn’t have to go back 16 times to get a definitive answer. You know his stand, go to the next question.

capitalistpig

alot of Latino Republicans are not laughing at his joke,or think its funny.He’s pissed many of them off and not a good thing considering Florida and Nevada are 2 primary states with large hispanic voters.Sharon Angle would be sitting in Reids Seat right now had she not made that crack about latinos all looking Asian .

http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

It’s a joke. Lighten up.

People forget that earlier in the race someone accused Cain of wanting to build a moat. His response: he’d build a moat and put alligators in it.

It’s was a joke, just like this.

Repair_Man_Jack

nt.

tailfins1959

Boots on the ground can provide security after the border has been breached. I would hope those boots on the ground have rapid response capabilities to respond to kidnappings, property invasions, and/or obvious human smuggling activities.

bzip

I am going to say this agauin and to anyone who wishes to “joke” about such things. It is NOT funny, it is NOT a laughing matter.

Those that think it is and can’t see this for what it really is are driving the conversation right home to the lib’s and race.

It is not a laughing joking matter. What is next that can be accepted as laughing, racial jokes, black joke, what is next. My god some of people really need to take a look at yourself.

tailfins1959

Having lived in Tennessee for six months and watching the Sheriff tell my latin wife “You people like to hide fugitives, you better not be hiding the person we show living at this address.” So when you see politicians like Bill Ketron shout “stop illegal immigration” there is a hidden “wink” by the word illegal. We cheered when we saw the sign “Massachusetts Welcomes You.” It’s a miracle I’m still a Republican.

Scope

Yes exactly, how many hispanics will laugh at his joke that he wants to electrify them. It’s the same with calling the blacks that vote democrat “braindead. How many of those blacks is he going to win over from Obama? How many muslims will vote for him when he said he wouldn’t have any muslims in his administration. What in the heck is it with this guy with different races.

Now, look at it another way. What if Perry made any of those statements? Perry hasn’t touched anything racist or religious, yet he is being crucified because of a damn rock, and because a pastor said what he did about Mormons.

Too funny though with the latest WaPo Perry hit piece. The title of their article is something like “Perry uses military style guards on the boarder” and goes about spewing non-existent reports about how unsuccessful his efforts have been. Then, on the other hand, you have everyone against him because he is too weak on immigration.

blooch

Reagan virtually created the stereotype. He smiled alot, too, as I recall.

Keep yankin’ their chain, Herman.

clintonformccain

to see Republican nominations treated as some kind of joking matter. I wish there were a political party somewhere that acted like this stuff is serious business.

Tom Anderson

(h/t to Stripes – the best Bill Murray movie ever)

If you can’t take this joke, I’m glad I wasn’t around to hear your reaction to Reagan saying, “The bombing begins in 5 minutes.”

BTW, this is NOT a racial thing, either. It’s a commentary on the governments inability and unwillingness to protect its own borders from invasion.

Yep, I said it – it’s an invasion, even though it’s not military. It’s the governments job – outlined in the Constitution, no less – to protect the country from invaders. That they haven’t done it for so long is so sad that it IS in fact laughable.

Bill S

I would have clicked it for your comment.

But in lieu of that, I’ll just say:

5.

westcoastpatriette

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boonerdan

What so funny about that? Memo to the brain dead, we are being ILLEGALLY INVADED but foreign people! What moral right do we have to tell other countries how to run their internal business when we cannot even secure our own physical borders?

Either we are serious about border security or we are not. If we are going to be serious, then it is going to take PHYSICAL force to stop the invasion. Yes, I said it.

retire05

And you wonder why the lamestream media portray the Tea Party as racists?

Cain let his mouth write a check his a$$ can’t cover. He has done this before, saying the same thing in July, getting called down on it, and blowing it off in August, in Iowa, saying “America’s got to learn to take a joke.”

Once he knew that those kinds of remarks were met with scorn, and tried to cover up for it, what kind of idiot does it again in front of a bunch of southern (Tennessee) Tea partiers?

Since Cain seemed to single out a certain ethnicity, saying he would put up a sign that says “This will kill you – Warning” in English, and Spanish, I guess Cain is not smart enough to know that it isn’t only Hispanics crossing our borders illegally.

And how funny do you think his remarks are to Francisco Canseco, Bill Flores, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz? I doubt they find much “humor” in those biased remarks.

There is not much to have a sence of humor over in our nation at this point. Unless Cain thinks unemployment is “funny”. And if I wanted to vote for Comedian In Chief, I would vote for Obama as his 2 1/2 year administration has been a joke. Cain’s remarks aren’t.

Scope

Great point that you make that Cain’s “Joke” wasn’t accepted in another speech, but he continues his joke in yet two more speeches in the south.

It makes me disgusted that EE relegates his “joke” to be nothing more than comedy hour.

Obama is losing the hispanic population in droves, but as far as I know, they aren’t jumping to the R party. Cain insured with his comment that they will stay with the D’s. Calling the blacks “braindead” will insure that the blacks stay with the D’s. Saying he won’t have any muslims in his administration insures that they will stay with the D’s.

So EE , what other racial population does Cain have to insult, jokingly of course, or misunderstood at best, does this idiot have to insult?

But hey, we can have a great jokster in the WH, who never learns how to control his mouth against races. Hey, he’s the first real black president who can make fun of all the races, and be the first real real real post racialist. Sad and more than a little disgusting.

Scope

He just told O’Reilly that if Romney isn’t the nominee, and Obama wins in 2012, that it is the fault of the purists.

Who are the purists? I ask that seriously.

tngal

Not as catchy as Save the Whales, but it’ll look good at an OWS rally. Kinda like “eat the rich”. Lord knows they don’t have enough issues to rally against/for.

retire05

I’m a Texan. We have been working diligently to recruit Hispanis to the Republican Party and with some success. In 2008, Hispanics voted R by 30%. In 2010, that number increased to 38%. We are aiming to increase the Hispanic Republican vote to 44% in 2012, repeating the last two year increase.

Now maybe EE has the image in his mind of the illegal Mexican swimming the Rio Grand, yelling “aye, yi, yi”, but almost ever Hispanic in my county GOP is educated, extremely religious, many are university graduates, are VERY pro-life and want less government and lower taxes. We have managed to get a retired career Army colonel, Iraq and Afghanistan veteran, as our first Hispanic county commissioner. He is the best county commissioner we have ever had because he is so frugal.

I wonder if people would find it as funny if Romney or Perry had said “We need to build a 20 foot tall fence, with barbed wire on top, and electrified, around ever black ghetto in America. We need to keep the gangbangers and crack heads in those areas with a sign on the fence saying “This will kill you – Warning.”

People need to study a little history. The same snipes were taken at the Irish and Italians in the 19th and 20th centuries. The Democrats convinced those ethnic groups that the Republicans were all robber barons who just wanted to get richer off their backs and their labor. That gave us huge enclaves of Irish and Italian Democrats in cities like Boston, New York, Chicago and St. Louis. Here we are, over a hundred years later, and that has not changed much.

Any wise Republican today understand that the Hispanic community, becoming more educated, taking a greater part in American politics, is a great untapped source that can be persuaded to vote conservative values by electing Republicans.

Insulting ethnic and racial groups is NOT going to ever convince them to vote for the conservative Republican. And Cain, unfortunately, seems to not know that. I suspect that Cain didn’t realize that he was being insulting and was simply playing to the crowd. That doesn’t say much for Cain, in my view. I am sick of dishonesty in the Oval Office.

jackdaniels11

Cain is now in the media spotlight. He has spent the last 6 years trying to get attention (check out the article “Cain’s Caustic Columns” on weeklystandard.com for an analysis of 6 years of Cain’s weekly columns). Now, the media is ready to pounce on him.

He can argue that this was just a joke. Hey, Howard Dean tried to argue that his post-Iowa “I have a scream” speech was some kind of Vermont “war whoop”. But once you become a media spectacle, the media stereotypes you (as a lunatic) and then demands more of the same so that they can keep their ratings up with their portrayal of you acting according to the script that they wrote for you.

I cannot believe that we’ve gotten so desperate as to look to fringe candidates with no elected experience. We can and must do better than that.

Scope

hispanics are less than human. They are the bottom eaters, the job stealers, the welfare users that have made the country bankrupt, all by themselves. It has nothing to do with liberal economic policies. It’s all those horrible brown skinned people who have destroyed the entire country, and economic system.

I am so disgusted in this diary by EE I could puke. If Perry had ever said the things that Cain has, he would have been impeached as the Texas Gov. yesterday. But hey. the only reason EE agreed that Perry was the frontrunner was because he made the mistake of listening to the MSM. It had nothing to do with the consistent polling at the time.

Scope

He can joke and kid and make funnies. Surely the OWS people need a little humor at this point. Cain can tell them that they are braindead, or maybe he can threaten them with an electrified 20 ft fence around Wall St. Don’t want to allow any of those Romney supporters to escape the zone.

lineholder

The man LOVES to multitask, doesn’t he? I figured Erick would appreciate the humor, even if no one else does. Well, back to books, books, and more books!!

bloggb

oh boy… I almost posted the 2nd most dumbass response I’ve ever made on this site, until I re-read your post again.

Yes, that indeed is a counter-intuitive argument that Goldberg made.

My brain omitted the ‘that if Romney isn’t the nominee, and’.
With that part out of it, it’s a simple answer… same reason McCain lost.

bloggb

Lessee, there’s Domino’s, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Mellow Mushroom, Little Caesars, Howie’s, Godfathers… all the best.

This video is awesome, he also has a great voice!
Now if he could just turn this into a hip-hop jam,

Lol… JUST SAYIN!…

Great Post!

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

all the way to the voting booth…when they pull the lever for Obama.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

I could care less if we had upset the Soviets. I do care if we upset a significant subset of voters.

We need serious candidates with solutions, not amateurs at Comedy Central.

skipsart

You are just a perfect example of the topic of discussion here.
You just don’t get it.

mxmediamom

Unless you guys have all lost your sense of humour too, most
people I know on BOTH sides can, and DO laugh about “inappropriate” and “politically incorrect” jokes! Some of the best dumb Polish jokes I’ve ever heard have come from a Polish friend, and I pass on dumb blonde jokes all the time(I’m a blonde). There should be absolutely no difference what the subject matter is-a joke is a joke. If Mr. Cain can’t lighten up a conversation about an already ridiculous situation( that being our gov’t's stupid inability to guard our borders) then I’m sorry to say that we are living really miserable lives. I think you are picking on Mr Cain on this because you can’t find anything else wrong with him. We need an all-American businessman to get us all on track again. Political correctness be damned. Yes, he was joking about illegals, not Hispanics, or do you think the only illegals coming over the border are Hispanic??? THAT sounds racist to me! Can’t you sourpusses understand that-or are you developing the superficial thinking processes of liberals?

jqcjones

Your too uptight. I know exactly what people can do with the Politically correct mentality.. SHOVE IT Where the SUN DON’T SHINE, BABY!

evas

the difference between” legal “and “illegal”. He’s is not talking about Hispanics. He is talking about IILLEGALS. If you think it’s only Mexicans that are pouring through, you’re are an idiot. Muslim terrorists are POURING through as well. Legal immigrants like Rubio etc. are just as against those illegals as anyone with half a brain should be.

jqcjones

1-800-WAAAAAAMBULAAAANCE is on the way. Herman Rocks! Thank you.. thank you very much…

napensnake

Relax. Cain did not say “Let’s kill all the Mexicans” nor did he say he wanted to deport all the Mexicans. His reference was to secure the border to keep more ILLEGAL immigrants from entering. He did not say that a retired career Army colonel, Iraq and Afghanistan veteran, who is your first Hispanic county commissioner is unacceptable. We, as a country, have been talking about illegal immigration for at least 40 years and have done nothing. Cain was merely using hyperbole to indicate his interest in finally doing something beyond verbalizing. Please don’t tell me that we are becoming humorless Republicans. If we do that, there will be no humor left in the U.S. You may not have liked his wording but this comment does not make him evil.

napensnake

I have heard Arizona law enforcement officials referring to backpacks found along the ingress routes that have books written in Arabic. I think this reinforces your notion that it is not only Mexicans or other Hispanics crossing our border. This is truly a threat to national security. Our “representatives” in DC have been talking about it for years but have done nothing.

rsu65

I am thankful for Cain and his straight forward humor and I am thankful he is beginning to drain the swamp of “establishment” republicans for once outed these folks are finished for me.

daniel22

For one thing there was no mention of an environmental impact statement being filled out. No exception for importing of a non-native species. Whether or not the fence was going to be powered by green energy. Was this project shovel ready? See a total lack of planning.
Liberals do have a sense of humor. Really they do. Can you guess how many plastic surgeries or botox shots Nancy Pelosi has had? Or do you want to guess who Al Sharptons’ stylist is?

vastlyright

Yes they took a lot of guff but worked hard and made it in America. Cain is referring to TRESSPASSERS and it’s not only Mexicans coming over our joke of a border.How many [more] of Osama’s flying monkeys have snuck in with them? They continue to come because of politically correct cultural Marxists insist we be oh so frakking sensitive to these lawbreakers.It’s not about race you dolts.It’s about national security! Progdolts try to make everything about race to silence the voice of common sense because it’s something they sorely lack.

anw111

You’re right. Sorry- guess my ignorance is both broad and deep, but I’ve never understood why we would want to appeal to a demographic that doesn’t like us because we believe in law enforcement and think that people should obey the laws of the territory in which they are trying to establish themselves.

And, is it even true? I’ve seen no polls, but do honest, law-abiding American citizens of Latino descent (you know, the ones who can actually vote legally) really believe we should ignore, or even encourage, illegal immigration? I mean, what part of “illegal” don’t they (or we) understand?

Sounds to me like there’s just a lot of grubbing for votes here. No principles. I suggest we go after the child molester vote next.

It’s not racism (any more than Reagan’s comment was); it’s a respect for the rule of law and those who have chosen to obey it.

Regards,
Allen

texanlady

Perry would help republicans carry Colorado and New Mexico. Cain will drive them permanently to the democrats. Romney is probably a neutral since is like a liberal Papa Bush with no Texas connection. Cain could lose Texas with this statement.

bryankdonnelly

You HAVE to be making some sort of bad taste “joke” are you not? Otherwise your statement would indicate one so pig ignorant and bigoted as to defy reason. Or perhaps you just forgot to take your Thorazine. Get help!

anw111

Truly- I’m not trying to be controversial, nor am I trolling, but I don’t understand this.

I posted an earlier reply regarding my opinion based on the illegality of the act, so won’t repeat myself there, but I don’t understand this opinion.

I was born and raised in Tennessee in the 60s myself, albeit in a fairly “liberal” (in the classical, Adam Smith sense of the word) household, and I abhor racism in any form. If your wife is legally resident here and obeys the laws of our land and is having such problems with local law enforcement, then that is indeed abhorrent.

But that’s a different issue (that should indeed be addressed). The struggle I’m having here is that to oppose illegal immigration is not racism, any more than opposing illegal gambling (or theft or murder) is indicative of some sort of pathological prejudice. If you don’t like the law, then we have the mechanisms in our society to change it, but for now it is the law.

Gross intolerance, bigotry, and/or prejudice is disgusting wherever it is found. So is conscious participation in and support of illegal activity.

Regards,
Allen

rulken

Get off your high horse, and bite me!
Herman Cain is the most down to earth person running. Electrocuting ANYONE, he didn’t say Latinos, you did, funny how people just assume that only Mexicans trying to, “get into” this country illegally would be the victims!? By the way, we ARE sick, of the Latinos coming here illegally, and stinking up our emergency rooms, and using the resources that were put in place by hard working Americans that pay taxes, and do things legally ! Yeah, we are sick of them overflowing our classrooms, and dropping babies like rabbits, to try and create an “anchor baby” to squeeze even more money out of our system.
These people make me sick! The SOB. congress makes me even sicker! On top of all this we have a communist in the WH. who thinks he’s king of America.
Go ahead keep pushing,,, we’re almost in the corner now! Ever see what happens, to anything,(man or beast), that feels they have nothing more to lose, and frightened for the very future that is overwhelming them?
Go ahead,,, keep pushing…

littlemousethatroars

Ahh, spoken like a true liberal. Guess what? Cain will be the next president, so get over yourself. VOTE FOR CAIN 2012!

littlemousethatroars

Couldn’t have said it better, thank goodness there still are rational people out there!

rulken

I agree with ANW111, what part of illegal don’t you get?
At least Herman Cain, is telling it like we want to hear someone tell it!
We are beginning to wonder if there is ANY common sense in all of DC?

littlemousethatroars

You know, I think the main problem is that people have reading comprehension issues and do not understand the profoundness of Cain’s statements. Most of Cain’s critics are brainwashed from the Obama bland ball-less, imagination deprived administration that doesn’t have a real world clue on how to solve problems. The negativity described against Cain is just proof of how people are easily controlled by the media and have forgotten how to standup and think for themselves. Thanks for sticking up for Cain, OUR NEXT PRESIDENT! VOTE FOR CAIN 2012!

obxster

First of all the expanded version was funny. But what don’t you agree with? Building a fence? Putting razor wire on it? Electrifying it? Building a moat with gators in it? Or is it just the sign saying the fence will kill you? OK, let’s take the sign down so it’s not offensive and let people die who try to climb it. I thought it was awful nice to put the sign there as a warning.

obxster

This would also lower cost in that we wouldn’t need border patrol agents on the border. We would just need zoo keepers to feed the gators once in a while.

rulken

Did you hear how the Frenchman broke his leg, raking leaves?
He fell out of the tree!!

uncmike

“The other day, Herman Cain said if he was in charge of defending our borders, he?d build a twenty foot high wall, put barbed wire on the top, electrify it, and put a big sign on it that read ‘if you touch this, you will die!’”

This is one thing I liked about Cain’s political platform. If he’s back off, then he loses my support.

whimsley

Since when do Mexicans vote in American elections? If an immigrant has voting rights in America, then (s)he is an American.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

ours? smile

gaudium

Give it a rest! You too lack humor! If this is not the case and I am in error, you must be really afraid of Herman, shame on you attempting to pass yourself off as a conservative!

Jim Tomasik

I really really want the alligators… in the moat.

atillathehun

Neither am I running. Rather than just an electrified fence with barbed wire, I would do a 20 foot corridor of land mines between 20 foot deep concrete footings with signs indicating that entry over the soverign border is by designated acess only. No joke here.

chefm

Herman Cain may not be the greatest candidate, but seriously, who is? I am not fully on anyone’s wagon at the moment, but when you vet each candidate, who actually has everything in perfect harmony with what everyone wants? The answer is quite simple……….NO ONE!!!

What I do like about Cain, is he is not the establishment, he is not a far out loon, and he is not afraid to speak his mind and the truth, even if it means political points taken away. The question then becomes, who is taking those points away? Do they really matter? If yes, then why?

For too long people have been voting for a letter. (R) or (D). Where has that brought us to as a free nation? Are we still the envy of the worlds people seeking a better life? No, only to those who know we won’t do a thing if they cross the border, and when they do cross, they know they will be given tax payer money to survive.

It’s time we stop allowing the establishment and the talking heads to choose who we are to vote for.

Cain is the most down to earth, real person in this race. Mark my words, Cain will be ganged up on during tonight’s debate by every other candidate and the moderators. Why? Because Cain is beginning to resonate with main stream citizens, who see this country as a country in desperate need of a leader who will not bow down to the establishment.

If Romney or Perry are elected President, it will be politics as usual, if Cain is elected, things will shake. Remember, those who are crying about his 999 plan must realize he can’t do it alone. It takes Congress to help.

There are many prominent people who like his plan, but also realize it may not be perfect as it sits, but it is on the right path, and with some tweaking, it will be a lot better than the current tax codes, or to just reform the current codes.

If 999 is the only thing people can come up with, then the others are in big trouble. You can make a nice list of baggage about Romney, and Perry, the other top two. Well ,I guess Ron Paul is polling well at times, but he is too far gone on foreign policy and the real world dangers, I don’t count him as a top candidate. That, and everyone knows the Ron Paul supporters who cry about voter fraud in one hand, stuff the straw poll ballots with the other. Plus the fact that I have encountered many of his supporters lately, and find myself outraged at some of the hate speech I hear from their own ,mouths. For example, Jews should be put out to pasture, Hitler was a great leader, while supporting the positions of the ME countries that want to wipe Israel out of existence.

If my words don’t scare you, or you think I am following the msm, and their attack against RP, look to the Pat Buchanan column at Human Events in the comment thread. Look at the archived articles, and scroll through the comments. I don’t follow anyone, left or right, but I do follow myself to the research I personally find and vet for accuracy.

We must ask ourselves this very important question……..Do we want to continue down the path we have been on? Or do we really want to bring back our Republic?

Many listened to Barack Hussein Obama when he campaigned with a message of hope and change. They stepped out of the box, and voted for someone they felt was new, not established as so many are. So we might ask ourselves, are we willing to take another chance? I hear the argument that many make, and the end comment is usually on the lines of, “we took a chance, and look where it has brought us to…………but fail to look at the whole picture and the facts that people were actually blind. Not in the usual insult sense of calling someone blind, but in a real sense that everything anyone wanted to know about Obama was out there for everyone to see if they wanted to know. They just chose to stay “blind”.

With Cain, you can be sure the MSM won’t hide anything like they did to protect their chosen one. It’s up to us to find out the truth, as the MSM will most definitely will spin, twist and lie about Cain or any candidate that challenges Obama.

One thing I can say with much confidence, is Cain may have some baggage, but if it were anything of an Obamanation, it would have been uncovered by now. It;s time we take that leap of faith and jump on the wagon the belongs to the non-established candidate who has business experience from the ground up, who has flipped as well as sold burgers.

If you do not like Herman Cain, that is fine. But to take a leap of faith with someone who’s resume’ looks a lot like a hard working American like most of us, to counter the leap made for a community organizer who’s background would give most a hard time getting a volunteer position at the local YMCA, is precisely the k ind of leap we need to get out of the establishment mind set.

The old cliche of “it couldn’t get any worse” probably means more today than is our recent history.

Cain or not Cain, lets get away from the establishment if we are to have any chance of recovering our Republic.

Thanks for reading.

Chef M

PS. My main point is not to support or not support Cain, but to really think this next election year and where we want to take this country. Forward, or backwards? And in this case, backwards is better, as long as we go far enough backwards.

bgintn

Careful, they will twist that to mean you want to fry the Florida Gators.
As you are from TN.

redneckthinker

Cain’s comments didn’t insult any race. He seems to operate with the assumption that when one country is being invaded by a wave of illegal border crossers from another country, their leaders have a duty to their own people to stop it. He didn’t say anything about their race because race has nothing to do with it. I’d think the joke was just as funny if you move the problem a 1000 miles north. None among us would say, “Why, that ain’t funny. That Herman Cain is racist against Anglos. He doesn’t want white Canadians in our country.”
This PC garbage is messing with your minds. I’m not going to go around walking on eggshells all day long so that I can recruit someone of another color into my movement. If that’s what you have to do to get them, you’ll never keep them and you’ll only have wasted your time. Let’s try to convince them that conservativism is better for everyone in the human family. Let’s spend more time articulating and clarifying actual ideas than making sure we toe the PC line.

tngal

go vols. You know, just having one sign that I can carry to a game but that does double duty at an ows rally would save some cardboard.

What to say about the Tide? That’s a whole ‘nother sign.

rwgrammy

Having many Hispanic friends has led me to conclude that most of those here legally, as is Marco Rubio, et al, feel strongly that illegal “immigration” is just that…illegal…and should be stopped. Period.

And how much more “racist” can you get than when Mr. Obama called out the Black Conservative Caucus about shuffling around in their house shoes?

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

I was referring to heritage, not nationality, and I’m quite sure that you know it.

obxster

I don’t read anywhere that Cain mentioned any particular race. I didn’t even think of Mexicans when I heard the JOKE. My first thought was simply illegals of any race entering through our southern border. I have an electric fence around my chicken coop, I guess that makes me a racist?

gunslingr45

Cain and his fence
Obumber’s Fast and Furious, teach the nation Spanish and Farsi and let anyone walk in that wants to.
I’ll take Cain any day.
Oh wait there is a third choice.
Perry and his “reward the children for the parents breaking our laws.”
Nope, I’ll still take Cain.

“For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a taste the protected will never know” IN GOD WE TRUST

chefm

I find Goldberg to be a pompous, self righteous blowhard who thinks his words are made of gold. between him and O’Reilly on the same screen, makes for great comedy relief. Two who think “WE The People” should listen to them because they know best.

We are in the mess we are in today because too many people too often listen to these talking heads rather than to their own minds.

Romney is a nice guy I am sure, but he is also the establishment these talking heads think we need to keep voting for each cycle, but seem to be too ignorant themselves to break away from the establishment.

They feel just because they are the establishment, they are the only ones who could possible win. What they should be doing is vetting, and explaining the differences and stop the nonsense of telling us who is electable and who is not.

I will crawl through broken glass on my knees with shorts on to vote for who ever gets the nomination, but until then, I will do and say anything I can to ask people to just stop and think, before casting that primary ballot.

Do we want what caused the problems to continue, or not?

chefm

Doesn’t really seem like a hard choice does it?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

of course, I have moved way to the left on current illegals that have been here more than 3 years but don’t demonize those that disagree…smile

deuke

was about the Obama Administration, and Congress absolutely shirking their duties to address the problem of ILLEGALS coming across our borders ILLEGALLY. That it implies the majority of illegal?s are Mexicans isn?t a stereotype ? it?s a fact. But by all means let?s attack the man because he made a JOKE about how ridiculous it is, first, to even consider building a wall/fence, and secondly, that the problem can be solved by putting swamp dogs in a moat ? what is needed is to build a larger moat filled with larger swamp dogs.
And please, spare me the statistics of how many ?Hispanics? are being recruited to vote Republican, or further their education ? just after they waded across the Rio Grande. Most of the ILLEGALS coming here at the Texas border are mules for drug cartels.

blooch

by their own governments. Both governments overtly/covertly endorse expansionist policies of encroachment on our territory, undue influence on our systems of government, and threats of violence if we do not acquiesce to their demands.

Just as I appreciated Reagan for poking a stick in the eye of the Soviets and our detente appeasers, I would rather Cain pander to me with a little humor than stroke the delicate sensibilities of illegal aliens and their MALDEF LULAC La Raza Reconquista sympathizers who are legal residents and citizens, just for a fistful of votes.

richp89

Twice you have accused Cain of saying blacks are brain dead. He did not say or imply that. Whay does it always have to be about race? He was asked how he expected to win the black people who voted for Obama. He did not offer to single out black people. He replied that about 1/3 were brain WASHED. Which means that someone is manipulating the way they think. He didn’t say or imply that they were stupid or brain dead. The good thing about being brain WASHED is that that brain WASHING can be undone. If people keep spinning the meaning of his statements like that then it akes it harder. The commentator could just of easily have asked Cain how he intended to win over anyone that voted for Obama and the same reply would have been equally acceptable. But he wasn’t asked about all liberals. He was asked about black liberals. When asked about Muslims everyone overlooks the fact that he said he would get a feel for how that person feels about the US. It is just like any other interview. You have first impressions and then you talk to the person and see how you feel about that person. You already know their qualifications. I think most intelligent Hispanic and Muslim people will understand what he is talking about.

In the end if he ends up winning the nomination he needs to be most concerned about Independant and Conservative voters. Turning voters from the left is secondary. It would be nice to have those voters come to the conservative side but many of those voters have been ingrained on the Democrat side for generations. That is not likely to change. He might as well go try to change Michael Moore, Roseanne Barr, Al Sharpton et. al.

msjallen

at least he came up with an idea and we NEED to have a sense of humor about things these days. Everyone is gloom and doom and I like his attitude. Being from Texas it isn’t viable to build a fence all along the border but I doubt anyone would come across that area anyway.

richp89

I was thinking that maybe it is the other way. Maybe putting the sign in English and Spanish (not sure if it was in both languages but someone else here said it was) maybe he is in favor of protecting the Spanish and English speaking law breakers. Maybe this sign shows that he doesn’t care very much at all about the Farsi speaking law breakers. Hmmm. I wonder. Oh well. Maybe I am just reading too much into what he said. Maybe he was just trying to illustrate how important he thinks it is to SECURE the border.

msjallen

chefm, you hit the nail on the head. I find reading on the internet more informative than talking heads. I like thinking for myself; just give me the facts, please.

tailfins1959

All I’m saying is that SOME people who oppose illegal immigration wink after the word illegal. There is an element who want a hostile culture to all Latinos hoping to stealthily drive them out. I would like to hear Perry say he will vigorously oppose any path to citizenship. “Boots on the ground” is less confrontational because along with preventing illegal border crossings, it protects border residents from violent criminals.

msjallen

blame the children for what the parents did? However, I do believe in a hard stand against illegals walking into our country and thinking they can have anything they want including medical care and SS.

grubby10

I believe Cain is doing something invaluable: He’s going right after PC enforcers who have conferred on themselves the moral authority to shut people up.

Even on this site, retire05 – and others – is all puffed up with self conferred, righteous indignation to determine which group is ‘offended’ by what someone else (Cain) has said. In doing so, the targeted are dissed, denigrated and ridiculed at will – a disgusting paradox and contradiction. Why? Because it is never enforced the other way. Whites, especially men, and particularly conservative white men know all about that. People like Cain, Palin no longer abide by PC rules or live on the PC plantation. That’s why they are fair game for the most outrageous leftist pejoratives with nary an eyebrow being raised.

Where have their rights as INDIVIDUALS to speak disappeared to? Or is it only the ‘offended’ and PC patronized groups that have rights anymore?

PC is the enemy of truth and free speech. And Herman Cain is rendering an invaluable contribution to the public discourse by fearlessly confronting it, humorously.

runner12

On the one hand, I am tired of the MSM jumping on Conservatives for what clearly was not a serious remark by Cain. The double standard they use for Conservatives and their liberal buddies is appalling. There is something very wrong when the MSM largely ignores the fact that a sitting US Congresswoman tells the Tea Party to “Go to h*** ” and then becomes apoplectic when a Conservative makes a perhaps ill-advised joke. At least Cain was joking, Rep. Waters was not.

On the other hand, Cain is running for the Presidency of the United States and this is the most important election in our lifetime. Illegal immigration is an issue demagogued by the Left at every turn. They love to scream racism and ignore the actual issue which is that our laws are being broken.

Unfortunately, Cain’s comments serve as fuel to continue to propagate the “racist” meme. It was an ill-advise statement and could even offend Conservative Latinos and I could hardly blame them.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

by all means, please continue doing so.

kaheo

A Mexican couple comes to the US 20 plus years ago. They give birth to a couple of babies. These babies grow up here (note they’re natural born US citizens now eligible to vote) and listen to Herman Cain’s comment (which didn’t sound like a joke at all – watch the video and judge for yourselves). I wonder how funny they thought Cain was!? I also wonder if they’re now more likely to vote for him!? I urge you to listen in on C-Span whenever they talk about immigration issues. There’s usually 1 or 2 callers calling in saying they’ve spotted numerous illegals in their neighborhoods, or hospitals and are mad as hell that they’re not been deported! I often wonder, how do they manage to spot them!? This is how Hispanics who are legally American may get get offended by such “jokes”!

http://www.gosmllbiz.com byhisgrace

I am Mexican by birth, an American by choice. I am also a child of the King the Lord Most High. And no ‘hispanics’ are not less than human, nor are they bottom feeders. Obviously you are not a Christian so let me share with you look up Matthew 12:36 and take it to heart. One day we will all give an account of ourselves when we stand before God. As our numbers continue to grow, this is just a fact, we will out number you. As a conservative, this worries me, but it does not make me think of ANYONE in the manner that you do. It makes me ponder what we can do to educate, not only hispanics but all the ignorant (lacking knowledge) fools out there. BTW, you do have until your very last breath, the chance to repent and accept Christ as your Savior…don’t like it cause folks like you can be miserable sobs and still get in, but…he is God i am not. Do I wish hell for you? No. It’s a horrible place to spend eternity in…your choice.

eburkedisciple

Thank you obxster for some perspective. Cain has the MOST experience of any candidate, is the most down to earth and is the most respectful of every person’s freedoms. Cain in 2012!

thirstyboots

Plus, people need to quit overrating the importance of immigration. Like most voters, hispanic voters care first about economy, not immigration.

In fact,l I’m just reading a hispanic voters poll that shows that Romney is more popular amongst Spanish voters than Rick Perry – in spite of their perceived positions in immigration.

eburkedisciple

The truth is that an invasion is underway and border security is essential. Potentially fatal deterrents are reasonable if they are well marked. The problem is huge and we are not going to solve it by being soft on the sources! It may be too late but better to fight than capitulate!

DefendUSA

This is PC at it’s best. I laugh when I hear people losing it over the comments that are intended to pack a punch and everyone gets offended. If you cannot tell it like it is- which is what I want, then don’t bother running. I don’t need any more of Obama’s hope and change because every word out of his mouth is a lie. And as I knew from the second he was elected,the PP would use the race card for devisive reasaons and it’s everywhere!!

Let’s see how that works out for the COWboy in 2012 while he’s telling everyone more lies. I cannot wait. The Battered Democrat Syndrome is smoldering and I hope to God it gets smothered.

If Herman Cain is willing to make the best attempt he can possibly muster to bring this Country back to all that is stable and great, and we know he won’t back down and uses his optimism, more power to him.

angelatoft

This is exactly the type of rhetoric that turns Hispanic voters away from the GOP. If you think we can beat Obama in the General Election without the support of Hispanic voters, you are wrong.

Cain’s remarks only hurt the GOP and help Obama.

Common_Cents

and new big piles of dirt.

izoneguy

Hispanic Advocacy Groups Rebuke Cain Over Electric-Fence ‘Joke’

“That’s not a serious plan. No, it’s not,” he said. “That’s a joke. I’ve also said America needs to get a sense of humor. That was a joke, OK.”

On Monday, Cain reversed course again, saying he takes ownership of his idea, which he described earlier as “a combination of a physical fence, technology, and in some terrible areas we might have to put troops there.”

Rep. Charles Gonzalez, D-Texas, chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said he sees “nothing funny” about Cain’s so-called joke.

“Whether or not he made his comments in jest, Mr. Cain’s words show a lack of understanding of the immigration issues our country is facing and a staggering lack of sensitivity. Surely, Mr. Cain understands the duty that candidates have to offer responsible policy proposals,” he said in a statement. “Leave the comic routines to the professional comedians.”

Cue the video – does this look like Cain is joking?

eburkedisciple

I can go to my local hospital any day of the week and run into an overcrowded emergency room where illegal aliens are waiting for routine medical care – and bankrupting the hospital. I don’t care if we offend them as long as we face the facts. They are a problem but not the source of the problem. We are the problem. We allow anyone go to the hospital and not pay, we allow anyone into our schools, we all all kinds of freeloaders onto our welfare systems. We have to start drawing lines that show were we are going to stop this foolishness and the boarder is a good place to start.

gizmo

Lighten up a bit! Is it not OBVIOUS that Cain was “joking”? Can u imagine a 20′ fence on the border?!?!?
By the way, it’s NOT just Latinos that come across that border, so it’s NOT aimed specifically at Latinos..
And, again, are not these guys breaking the laws of a sovereign Nation? so, as such, they are criminals. Many of them ,as has been proven, have no problem with killing OUR law-abiding citizens or law-enforcement officers.. So, just like the Pavlovian training of dogs & apes, After a few of them were nailed by this electric fence, maybe they’ll be smart enough to figure out that they’re not welcome here unless they’re law-abiding….

And, yes, the electric fence comment is “tongue in cheek” …..

thirstyboots

Not Spanish, obviously.

lineholder

the article, called America’s Voice, is a pro-illegal immigration, pro-amnesty organization. Here’s their website

http://americasvoiceonline.org/

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Staying within the status quo of doing nothing at all is hurting us. I’m to the point where I’d rather we go overboard if that is what it takes rather than stay within the status quo.

izoneguy

The democrats will use this against Cain everywhere they can.

You see the issue of immigration is a two way street and not
one with any easy answers. Cain thought he could score some
points at the Tea Party rally – and he probably did.

But that kind of rhetoric can turn off enough people to lose an election.

izoneguy

Perry has a plan and if he is President he is the one best to tackle the problem because he understands it. Romney will continue in the tradition of Obama and Cain will be busy getting Congress to fund his electrified fence.

blooch

to say “Latino voters who are legally and/or became citizens without the help of “amnesty’ and/or have roots here that extend back beyond one generation”, then I think you would find that a significant subset of your significant subset has privately expressed around the dinner table similar sentiments to those in Mr. Cain’s joke.

Scope

in the statement above was in calling Cain “insensitive” for using the electrified fence comment, joke or not. Didn’t Cain himself call Perry “insensitive” for leaving the rock at the campground for all long as he did? Even though Perry’s dad painted over it, and turned it over as soon as they saw it?

It’s funny, and a big joke that now everyone is coming out in Cain’s defense, because he is so tough on illegal immigration, which is nothing more than words and promises. Perry has actually done something about closing the border, and has spent state taxpayer money to do so. Cain has proposed putting states in charge of the illegal problems, because they are the ones closest to the problems, yet when Perry has actually been fighting the problem for years, the guy with the promises of hope and change II gets more credit. Cain has proven that “brainwashing” does indeed work.

tngal

Some of the nastiness that has come out in the grand old party regarding Mr. Cain and his policies are getting silly.

Everything from:

his 999 plan will raise taxes so its unamerican
He’s belittling latinos
he’s not qualified
he can’t get his fundraising act together so he can’t win
greenspan was a twit so cain is lousy
that 999 sure is spooky upside down (no iffense rep B.)
he’s a novice at foreign policy, he besmirched uzbekistan
And of course the racist thing, (but that comes more from the other side)

For pete sake, knock it off already. You’ve thrown everything at him but the kitchen sink or called him a witch. So it was time that was knocked out before it started.

Point out the positives about your own candidate(s).

lineholder

The underlying source included in the article is questionable in this context, izoneguy, because as a pro-illegal immigration, pro-amnesty organization, the opinions expressed by this group will quite naturally be negative against anyone and anything that counteracts the goals and ambitions of their organization. Plus, they get a PR plug by attaching that the notice that Cain is getting.

As Conservatives, in order to provide accurate information, it is important to consider the underlying sources.

In regards to the possibility that this rhetoric could turn people off…under normal circumstances I’d probably agree, but these aren’t normal circumstances. Far from it. Unemployment is high and projected to go up. Americans (and in this context those who are legal) are a bit more protective of their own livelihoods than they might be otherwise. The possibility of amnesty or even staying within the status quo and doing nothing concerns a lot of people, because not only may they find themselves competing for jobs against citizens who aren’t in this nation legally but also they could find themselves taxed more to provide for social programs for people coming into this nation illegally.

It just seems to have brought out a stauncher rule of law element in citizens than we’ve seen in a long time.

texanlady

Cain’s remarks cause Texas GOP leader to leave the party. Perry and Bush enjoyed good relationships with the latino community. Like I said Cain could cause us to lose Texas.

lineholder

They’re actually walking a fine line on this one, izoneguy. The Obama administration had a specific agenda it has been trying to accomplish and achieve, i.e. to move this nation in the direction of becoming a socialistic society.

In the process of doing so, plenty of promises were made to a lot of people. As the implementation of the agenda was put into place, it had a negative impact on our economy, leaving us in a position where unemployment is high.

The ones who will hurt by the most if Dems back up their promises to pro-amnesty groups are inner city blacks and legal Hispanics. Dems could need the votes of the 12 million illegals to win the election and further the agenda. Double-edge sword on that one. And no, at this point, it wouldn’t be wise for Dems to impose on the good will of the Black community…that particular situation is changing a bit. It’s not blatantly obvious to the eye, but it is happening.

Huge opportunity in this for Republicans, though, if we can connect with it. Legal citizens comprise 96% of the population. Illegals comprise only 4% of the population. Presenting a message advantageous to legal citizens has greater potential by far politically.

izoneguy

Cain keeps digging his hole deeper

Halfway through the question about the electric fence, Cain butted in with “it was a joke!”

“Let me first say it was a joke, and some people don’t think that it was a good joke, and it’s probably not a joke that you’re supposed to make if you’re a presidential candidate,” Cain continued. “I apologize if it offended anyone. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.”

Only, it might not be a joke, he later said, before finally saying he just doesn’t want to offend anyone.

“I don’t like to offend anyone…however, I don’t apologize for using a combination of a fence. And it might be electrified — I’m not walking away from that,” Cain backtracked. “I just don’t want to offend anybody. It was a joke to the extent in the context of the views of that speech, but in terms of what we need to do, I fully intend to do so because I’m more sensitive to our citizens being hurt.”

kaheo

Am just curious. I’ve heard people say they see them everywhere in their neighborhoods too. How do you look at someone and determine they are illegal? Or were you joking and I missed the punch line. This is exactly the point I was raising – just because someone is speaking Spanish or looks Hispanic doesn’t mean they’re in the country illegally. And lets say they’re here illegally, I don’t think anyone can go into a hospital and get routine care just because they’re here illegally, this is furthest from the truth! Life threatening emergency care, maybe; routine care, I don’t think so! But even for emergency care, its a stretch to say that they’re the ones bankrupting hospitals – its mainly Americans who don’t have insurance who are bankrupting hospitals when they end up in emergency rooms!

chefm

People like Goldberg are the ones to most ignore in my book. I am not here to defend anyone, but when I really started to see Bernie for the jack democrat that he is, was when Glenn Beck was pissing off many from both sides as he does at times, Bernie was a bit upset with the things he was saying, but for some reason, couldn’t find the words to refute them. Just the nonsense of he is wrong and I am right, and the reasons do not matter because I am Bernie Goldberg and you are not.

lineholder

For you, me or anyone else who might be expecting it of Cain to stay within the PC terminology that the left defines as being “acceptable”…he’s going to fail to meet those expectations in a heartbeat.

Also, go back and look at the last comment in the statement I made above…Cain’s already on the ground with that one, izoneguy. You may not like the way he’s going about it, but the man has definitely done his homework when it comes to looking at demographics.

Appealing to “we the people” in the context of legal vs. illegal in this type of economic environment spans across race, age, territories, political affiliations, etc. It provides the potential to gain greater interaction on a broader scale.

circlegranch

That would be interesting to start seeing polls by specific groups. What, if anything, Mitt Romney has ever done to specifically help a certain sect of the population to where they are leaving the Democrat party (you didn’t say they were Dem’s but that’s how they usually vote) and deciding to support him would be instructive.

chefm

Well said. It’s one of the reasons I like Cain as much as I do. That and he is not the establishment. His 999 may not be perfect, but it’s the right direction we need to head.

The American experiment was a colossal success as much as Socialism is a colossal failure.

The hope and change was a colossal failure and it’s time to take a chance in the other direction. The “right” direction.

funwithknives

and to be sure he will beat it to death no matter what else happens. He always dresses nice though ,does he not?
I find that I watch Billy less and less, due to the simple fact that he really does not know nearly as much, AS HE THINKS HE DOES. Kind of a shame, really. He had so much promise. {joke!}
{GO RANGERS!}

spolson

When people figure out that the prison population is disproportionately Black They do what? 1. Encourage the Black community leaders to discourage their members from committing, thereby creating a safer more homogenous community ? NO. 2. Randomly arrest and convict Non Black citizens to even up the population in prison? They might? 3. Accuse the police and courts of being racist and demand release of Black prisoners? Maybe.

When a politician talks about Illegal aliens crossing our southern border, and mentions Mexicians, What do we do? Call him a racist.

We have become a nation that won’t address it’s problems in simple logical English. Changing names is nothing but deceitful. Someone who is retarded but called mentally impaired isn’t cured. Terrorists are not any different if you call them Man made social events or what ever Obama demands they be called. It confuses the issues and hids them. Clinton wasn’t disingenuous, he lied. The Illegal Aliens on our southern border are primarily Mexicans. Terrorist are primarily Young Arabs. We need to stop being idiots

garbo777

This is not a reply to anyone it is my comment. I am all for electrrified fence on our boarder and better yet a sign that says you will be shot dead if trying to cross here. Plain and simple do not cross into the United States or deadly force will be used. Problem solved. No problem. A proud American.

garbo777

Amen, very sick of political correctness. We are the only stupid country that are hurting ourselves. We need to wake up. We are America, damn it. Stand up and fight for our rights. GOP needs to stand up, speak up, and act up. We cannot let our country be taken over by beggers!

thirstyboots

http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/ld/oct_banners.html

Romney 28/26; Perry 22/39

You are overthinking this – Perry is just very unpopular with pretty much every population group. That’s why Romney is even beating him amongst evangelicals, for example. Hispanics aren’t really that different from the general population.

thirstyboots

You know that, right?

mirac777

Wanting our government to only spend what they take in and obey our damn constitution are extreme radicals too. That kind of PC ignorance is what got the GOP to lean so far left that we now have 15-20 million illegals here today.

As Mom says: Put land mines there on the Southern border, after two or three having their legs blown off the rest will stay in their own country! They are scummy criminals for crawling into America in the first place! They don’t deserve nothing!

chefm

I hear what you are saying, and agree to a point. Well, I guess I agree more so than not only because his comment should not offend anyone who is here legally. In that sense, I don’t agree that they should be offended.

As far as his running for President, I agree whole heartedly. I like his t style, where he does not care what the MSM thinks of him and will tell the truth regardless of PC. People need the truth, But when running for President, you must practice some restraint when commenting. People are just waiting to pick you apart and will be more than happy to lie about it, even blatant lies in order to reach the uninformed who still watch msnbc and the other liberal bed buddies.

jacobite

Blacks have been in the US for 250 years. As of today, they have not adopted white culture, or even language. And your expectation that Hispanics (actually, Amerinds) will behave differently is based on what? How close is Mexican culture to that of Spain? Brazil’s to Portugal? The idea that culture is some independent variable, dispensed among various peoples at random (by space aliens?), is idiotic. Culture is a creation of interactions among all the members of a people over time. Every people has an individual culture, based on the collective character and intelligence of it’s members.

grubby10

Do you think? For your information, the Latin population is far from homogenous and a very sizable portion of them want to see this illegal invasion decisively controlled. They realize the porous border enforcement is being taken advantage of to flood this country with drugs, gangsters and poverty. As such, the legals are being taken advantage of tax-wise, employment/education opportunity-wise and crime victim-wise just as much as the non-Latins.

Let it not be forgotten that Cesar Chavez hated the illegals because they wrecked his every attempt to organize the farm workers.

capeconservative

LEGALLY will agree that others should not be breaking into our country…let them come in through the correct LEGAL channels!!

As for blacks…once again, successful Americans who identify with Herman Cain – those who have worked hard to ensure a good future for themselves – are going to agree that it is time for the ‘brain-dead’ amongst their community to pull their pants up, clean up their acts and make a success of their lives!

Neither of Herman Cain’s comments is racist! It is all about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

And the president of Mexico should keep his mouth shut about the way our country is run. Perhaps if he worked as hard to make HIS country a better place to live and work, his citizens would stay put! As to his ‘horror’ about a fence…that is SMALL POTATOES compared to Mexico’s take on illegals in their country – they just shoot them at the border!!!!!!!!!

Here in Massachusetts, we see justice being meted out in such an UNBALANCED manner that the Mayor of Boston says an illegal who steals a car shouldn’t be deported…the Attorney General says it isn’t illegal to be in Massachusetts illegally…the Mayor says it is okay for the Occupiers to gather without the proper permits and in the process destroy public property – while the LAW-ABIDING citizens are arrested for not acquiring the proper permits for their events. GO FIGURE!

capeconservative

an illegal alien who IGNORED two previous deportation orders, Auntie Zeutuni, is still living in PUBLIC HOUSING and receiving who knows how much $$ from the American TAXPAYERS!!!!

Thanks Mayor Menino!!! Thanks Governor Patrick!!!

But now you had better be sure to fine all those hard-working Massachusetts taxpayers several thousand dollars for not having the right insurance coverage. Thanks, Governor Romney!!! You could have NOT signed that horrible bill, you know.

capeconservative

warning signs at Mexico’s southern border – and they DO shoot trespassers there!

capeconservative

Anderson Cooper tonight and ask him why he chose to call patriotic Americans by a very derogatory term – not once but several times!

CITIZEN CAIN FOR PRESIDENT!

capeconservative

man who understands exactly what it is like to succeed in our great country!!!! Hard work and good personal values and principles – not by ‘organizing’ rabblerousers!!!

Keep on speaking the truth, sir…we are here for YOU!

capeconservative

No warning signs, just armed soldiers to ‘greet’ those who wish to venture into their country illegally!

capeconservative

Imagine that…under President Eisenhower, a man who put HIS countrymen ahead of those here ILLEGALLY, sent everyone back to their country of origin so that AMERICANS could find work!!!

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has run amuk! And will be the end of our society if we don’t stop it NOW!

Herman Cain’s touch of humor on sensitive subjects should be welcomed, not put down!

capeconservative

college students who have been conditioned since day one by the likes of Bill Ayers to be like sheep and NEVER think for themselves or be personally responsible????

capeconservative

no concerns.

And…if she is not in our country legally, you’ve picked the right state to live in. After all, our Attorney General has repeatedly said it is not illegal to be in Massachusetts illegally.

Glad you still believe in the Republican way of life – hope you can still say that a few years from now. It truly is hard to exist in this lopsided political arena. If you are interested in running for office, we are ALWAYS looking for good Republicans to challenge the current legislators. We actually doubled our statehouse representation last election – but we have a long way to go to have a strong voice.

capeconservative

I find that I watch Billy less and less

Like hardly ever

capeconservative

that will NOT go to Romney!

We held our noses to vote in 2008 and it is high time Republicans had an opportunity to vote FOR a qualified candidate rather than against the opponent.

kywrite

First he camped there for years without worries (liberals, of course, spread that one), then they painted over it when they could, then they painted over it AND turned it over.Sometimes it belongs to the Perrys, sometimes it belongs to someone else.

I am not saying Perry was a racist in this instance. In fact, I am pretty thoroughly convinced he is NOT racist in any way. I just wanted to point out how these personal stories that reputedly reflect a candidate’s character morph and twist over time.

Kinda like the stories about Cain. Or Bachman’s headaches, remember those? I’m sure there are dozens of other examples.

Me, I listen to the candidates, check out the platform, and look at who they’ve chosen as friends and allies over the course of time. That tells you way more than any gossipy little story, no matter how fascinating.

johnhandel

Cain has a sense of humor. You may dislike or disagree with his sense of humor. You may be offended by his sense of a joke. Big deal. I guarantee that 99% of those offended by a few of Cain’s jokes would be offended by nearly all my jokes, and I don’t tell racist jokes. At least we can tell the man is joking.

I wonder how many of those here that are quick to criticize Cain for the nature, content, or context of his joke jumped on the public media bandwagon on Bev Perdue’s backpedaling that she was joking when she talked about how we need to suspect the 2012 elections. I heard the recordings, there wasn’t any hint of humor on the speaking or listening side of that statement. Nothing could be recognized in any way as a joke until her office realized the major gaffe she had made and came out with, “It was a joke, people.” In Cain’s situation, especially with the context of past comments, it is clearly intended to inject humor into the situation. Go ahead and complain about his sense of humor. At least he actually has one.

On a related note, I personally (and in all seriousness) don’t believe his joked plan goes nearly far enough. Border security is an absolutely essential part of national security. (Which is one of the few things the Communists got more or less right, but wrong at the same time.) I do not care what color a person’s skin is. The only reason I care what language they speak is that if they have chosen to move here, I expect them to learn the language of success here, which is still English. If I moved to France, I would plan to learn French. If I moved to Japan, I’d plan to learn Japanese. People refusing to learn English are both disrespecting us AND holding themselves back. But I personally don’t care if the person at the next desk over, the janitor, my boss, or the owner of the company are white, black, Latino/Hispanic, Asian, etc. I don’t care if I can’t pronounce the name of the person who reports to me or to whom I report. I care that they came here legally. I care that they are decent, law-abiding people that have the legal right to live and work here. (Simply being here does not give you that legal right.) I care that they, if not born here to citizens or legal residents of our country, took the time to legitimately go through the legal process to be here legally, however tedious and flawed it may be.

So, free of humor (unlike Cain), I will give the comprehensive immigration and border reform that we should have, but politicians are too afraid to suggest.

1. Close the borders completely and absolutely. There are approved crossing points with security checkpoints, as we already have. The ENTIRE rest of our border is a patrolled series of walls, traps, snares, mines, etc. I envision the entire border, except the authorized crossing points, being so horrifyingly deadly that not even a seal team could cross alive. The whole length is marked every 100 yards with signs in English, Spanish, and French (making signs useful for both Mexican AND Canadian borders) that say one simple phrase. “Attempting to cross the border here WILL kill you.” Loudspeakers along the perimeter would broadcast the same message in the same three languages in case the person attempting could not read. The first layer or two of this security would be preventative but decidedly not deadly to keep curious innocents, such as children, from being accidentally killed. The point of such a barrier is simple. It is not to kill people, though that may be the unfortunate side effect. It is to aid in the strong enforcement of laws already on the books that declare that it is illegal for any person of any citizenry and nationality to cross our border for any reason, except at the approved checkpoints. As to the cost of such measures, if you added up the costs on our country in the past 20 years due to illegal aliens entering our country, it would pay for such an effort.

Since that border security only makes it harder for people to enter illegally, but does not deal with the incentives to enter illegally, we need a few more ingredients (comprehensive immigration done right).

2. We need to repeal a Constitutional Amendment that has served its purpose. After slaves were freed, another problem arose about their citizenship status. The Congress and states at the time took steps to resolve this by amending the Constitution to guarantee that they were citizens. Absolutely everyone to whom that amendment applied and to whom it was intended to apply is dead now. Now it is being interpreted differently to protect children of people who deliberately and of their own free will illegally cross our borders. Repealing this amendment is not enough, though. We need to replace the laws to clearly state that any child whose parent(s) are not citizens of the US or whose parents are not permanent legal residents of the US are not citizens. There is a whole tourist industry built around having your child born inside the US. The law needs to clearly state that being born here while your parents are visiting does NOT make you a citizen of the US. (The US is the only developed nation left, possibly the only nation at all, that so confers birthright citizenship, and it needs to stop. It is not a civilized practice. It is a stupid and self-destructive practice.

That only gets rid of one of the two major reasons why otherwise decent and potentially law-abiding people deliberately break our laws to come here, so the reform needs to continue.

3. Mandate e-Verify to all employers in the US, no matter their industry. Not just in it’s current flawed form. Mandate that, as a condition of hiring (and initially for their entire present workforce to remain employed) all employees must pass an e-Verify check. They are easy, quick, and already have rules and procedures in place to prevent abuse, one of which needs to be removed. I know how easy and fast e-Verify is as I presently run a small business required to use it. It is, by far, the least onerous of the government filing requirements for my company.

4. Truly putative fines for violating step 3 either by not verifying all employees and new hires, or for having illegal aliens working for you in spite of this. These fines should be severe and evenly applied no matter who the employer is. Off hand, I’m thinking something to the effect of $10,000 for each illegal employed, no matter the length of their employ, plus 100% of what they were paying illegals, plus 100% of what they would have had to pay legal workers, plus 200% of all taxes that both of those would have raised. More, the fine is cumulative. So if it is determined that the illegal was working there 3 years, the fine is significantly higher than if you had an illegal employee for 1 week. The obvious point of the fine is to make the punishment cost so much more than the savings from breaking the law that no employer would consider it worth the risk. There would be two legal defenses from this. One forcing the burden of proof on prosecution, the other an affirmative defense. First, they must prove that the illegal was working for you. Photos, videos, testimony, etc would make this proof. The affirmative defense is due diligence. If you can show the ID and everything that you did everything right by e-Verify and they had superior documentation, stolen ID, and matching fake photo ID that you ran through e-Verify and it came back approved, then it would be instant acquittal with no fines to the employer.

5. Reform the legal immigration system. While we should limit the numbers coming in, we should make the legal immigration system easier to navigate. Part of the reason that people want to cross illegally IS that our legal immigration system is tedious and extremely time-consuming. Still, I only have respect for those that actually respect our laws in this. Amazingly, this part of the system does work, if poorly. It can be changed to work better without going to fully open immigration, which would be a mistake.

6. So what about the people that are already here? Don’t they deserve a chance? Well, not really. They broke our laws to come here and continue to break our laws EVERY SINGLE DAY that they remain. Any US citizen breaking half the laws the average ‘law abiding illegal’ (I HATE that moronic phrase) breaks regularly might never see the outside of a prison again, and the applicable fines would bankrupt all but the top 2-3% of wage earners, and probably some of them. I will give them this freebie, though. They may freely LEAVE our country, after being checked to make sure the worst crimes they are guilty of is illegally crossing the border, identity theft, illegal employment, and/or tax evasion. Once they have paid any applicable determined fines for such non-violent offenses, then they may, if they wish, get in the BACK of the legal immigration line with no further marks on their record and wait their turn to enter legally. For those discovered to be guilty of even more significant or violent crimes, penalties would be much more severe, and should they ever be allowed to leave our country alive, they will never be allowed back in.

7. But what about the kids born here? They did nothing wrong. Are they going to be punished for their parent’s crime? Well, that is a sticky question, but I won’t back down now when I’ve made many other difficult and some likely unpopular statements. As I am firmly opposed to ex post facto laws and Bills of Attiainder, those children that have already been deemed citizens are citizens. Removing birthright citizenship is to prevent more ‘anchor babies’ from being added to their ranks. But the question remains about the ‘anchor babies’ already here. Well, doing anything else rewards people for breaking our laws instead of punishing them for breaking our laws. The babies need to cease being anchors. I don’t like the notion of the children suffering for their parent’s crimes, but the parents put them in that position by breaking the law. We do not by enforcing those laws. So the child is a citizen, and its parent(s) have broken our laws. We have already determined that the parent(s) ARE leaving our country or going to jail. I would suggest that the parent’s rights here are the same as the rights for any parents leaving the country or going to jail. I will only address the situation of leaving the country, because that gets the most publicity, and people don’t make a huge deal about the fate of the child. There is, after all, as system already in place, if with some flaws. Well, the minor citizen child of deported illegal alien parents leaves the parents with 2 choices. First, take their child with them. The child is a citizen, and can return to the US or stay in whichever country their parents came from upon reaching majority. They are a citizen and can choose that for themselves. The second is to put the child up for adoption. I have not been closely watching the adoption demand over the past 20 years, but what I have seen has shown no slacking in demand. Our problem with adoption is not the demand for children from families that will love and care for them, but rather the supply of children of the best ages (most I know of want to adopt babies) available to those homes.

I’m open to a 3rd option on these kids, but I really see no other option that doesn’t deliberately reward the parents for choosing to break the law, which is something I will not do.

That’s it. ok, that isn’t my whole comprehensive reform, which includes ceasing money going to Mexico until they pay for all the economic damage (including prison overcrowding and bankrupting hospitals, to name 2) they have helped cause by assisting and encouraging their citizens to cross the border illegally. (I say Mexico specifically, as they are a most notable block of illegal aliens causing such damage, and unlike some of the source countries, they actually encourage it. We may have a few illegal Swedish aliens, but I don’t believe Sweden endorses their citizens deliberately violate the laws and sovereignty of other nations, Mexico does. Basically, it creates a special circumstance where I believe every illegal alien should be treated exactly the same, excluding those that can actually prove need for asylum, I believe countries of origin should be handled individually based on their own choices. Mexico has made some choices that would normally be considered warlike and we should stand up to them. I don’t believe we need to actually take up arms against Mexico, unless they involve themselves more in overt hostile actions against us, but we need to stand up to them, defend out border, and be ready to respond to any overt aggression.

Well, I am out of time. There it is. Cain is joking. Dislike his sense of humor all you want, but respect that he is just joking. I, however, am not. (Hence why I will never hold a public office.) Something serious needs to be done about illegal aliens. No solution will work that does not address these four things:

1. Motives (illegal jobs and anchor babies)
2. Means (border like a sieve)
3. Punishment in difficult situations (such as deporting parents of anchor babies.)
4. Absolutely refusing to reward these people for deliberately choosing to break our laws.

Remove the jobs, remove birthright citizenship, and start cracking down on those here illegally, and they will start deporting themselves in droves. It has already started happening at state levels. When states pass stricter laws about enforcement, illegals self-deport from those states. If this was done nationwide, they would self-deport from this country.

Oh, yeah, forgot one critical bit. There is a matter of sanctuary cities and states. They are ALREADY breaking Federal law. Normally, I tend to side on state’s rights, but the Federal government has the authority when it comes to immigration laws. (The only reason I endorse states doing what Arizona did is because they passed a law to add state-level enforcement to the federal law. They made breaking the federal law a state-law violation, too, and allowed state police to help in enforcing, then turning any prisoners over to the federal government.) I am all for states helping the Federal government with enforcement of Federal laws that are the subject of the Federal government actually doing its job. I have problems with states or cities that try to block that. So we have to come to enforcement against our own citizens.

1. Economic pressure. The system is grossly screwed up, but there is no state or even decent-size city that does not stay afloat without receiving some Federal money. Any state that operates as a sanctuary for illegals receives no federal money. Any city that operates as a sanctuary for illegals receives no federal money. Depending on the city, may hit the whole state for that, too.

2. Other penalties. No state or city becomes sanctuary without the active involvement of its congress, governor, council, etc. So the people who chose to make the city/state ‘sanctuary’ in violation of Federal immigration law are also prosecuted for Federal offenses. (This includes every congressperson of California that voted for their version of the Dream Act and the governor of that state.) People who enter our country illegally and refuse to respect our laws and sovereignty do not deserve special benefits and rewards that law-abiding citizens of our country cannot receive. (Actually, I think those laws could also get struck down as Constitutional violations as it violates certain clauses and amendments on equal treatment.) Anyway, if voting to make your city or state an illegal sanctuary (or voting to offer illegal benefits to illegal aliens) will land you in jail, then people will stop doing it.

Normally, I don’t endorse prosecution for congresses trying to do their jobs. We are dealing with, however, a matter of such congresses deliberately choosing to flout Federal law in an area that the Constitution clearly details to be the power of the Federal government and not the states. I’m all with states on issues that are clearly covered by the Tenth Amendment. Federal government oversteps its authority every single day. When it is something that is the Federal government’s job, however, the states have no business passing local laws to contravene it. If they disagree with the way the Federal government is handling it, the system is in place to change it, and that system does NOT include states or cities choosing to just break the law and tell the Federal government to take a flying leap.

This is also a national security issue. As is pointed out above, not everyone entering the country illegally is Hispanic. Without the flood of millions of illegal Hispanics, however (and I’m still against Hispanics breaking these laws as I am against anyone else doing so), the rest would find it harder sneaking into our country.

Get rid of the motives and means, get rd of illegal sanctuaries, and start dealing with the hard questions on immigration instead of calling names and pussy-footing around them, and for ever illegal alien we catch and deport, thousands will self-deport.

blooch

and when La Raza types in the leadership of Democrat Party start resigning in protest, then I will start to consider that they might be acting in good faith for those whose cause they claim to advocate. Until then all of their bleating, posturing and threats are nothing but agenda-driven hypocrisy. Cain has stung them well with his joke.

RS

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