Mitt Romney Bleeds. I Star in the Film

bzip

Perry did really good. Those that are looking for a anti-Romney candidate you better start thanking Perry for doing the dirty work on Romney.

sunshinek67

was creepy and surreal. The still shot is a contest joke on Politico for best caption. Telling~

jjhlh1

last night for the first time. Also Romney said that he never hired illegal aliens in his life. Then after Perry pressed him on it Romney admitted that, yes, in fact he did have illegal aliens working for him but they were let go a year or so later. So this is just another example of Romney not being trustworthy. Either you did hire illegal aliens or you didn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

SoFiMil

I have my caption already in mind, but will save it for the proper diary.

izoneguy

This article refutes Romney’s argument –
The Texas Model: Who Really Gets Texas Jobs

goat

He hired a company that then hired a an Illegal. You really think Perry has never been to a restaurant or hotel or gas station, etc that has employed an illegal? You are lying to yourself if you think he hasn’t.

jjhlh1

when put his hands on Governor Perry’s shoulder. That was rude and demeaning and should never occur in a debate. It was the low point of Romney’s campaign.

SoFiMil

You and Britt Hume were clearly not talking about the debate last night. Anything meriting a legal challenge of libel?

SoFiMil

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Doc Holliday

inoculate their boy against immigration attacks. It is a very disingenuous and risky scheme. I am sure the left already has their ialien eruptions planned for each GOP candidate.

gekster

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jjhlh1

If Romney knew illegals were working on his property and failed to take action for a year, then he has no leg to stand on. He should have changed lawn services the moment he found out. It is clear that Romney got rattled onstage last night, which is one of the reasons he had to touch his opponent. That is a serious breach of etiquette. This is the first chink I have seen in Romney’s armor. More to come.

powertothepeople

nor are you being honest about the extent of the situation. Either be honest about the whole thing, learn what happened so you can be honest about it, or admit you plan on being full of BS.

Flagstaff

Is that what “works”? Is that what we want?

jjhlh1

You can try and spin this all you want but it won’t work. It’s not that Romney should have known he was contracting with a landscaping service that used illegal labor. He did, in fact, know. He had actual notice.

The Boston Globe published a story about it in 2006. He was contacted for comment at the time. The paper revisted the story a year later and Romney still employed the same service with the same illegal workforce.

Romney has no defense. None. He knowingly employed illegals and yet he wants to portray himself as serious about our illegal immigration problem. That makes him a hypocrit and tells us a lot about his character.

Tbone

RiNO. Maybe he would have better luck primarying Obama?

powertothepeople

I agree and stated as much. In fact, went very deep into Romney’s responsibility in the matter earlier today.

porkandcheese

That’s why they waited until after Perry’s ads came out. Ding dong the witch is dead! Bachmann still won’t. Romney’s her only shot at Iowa, her homestate. But this ad was good for Perry. If that’s the worst they could find, he did alright. I’d love to see the Miss South Carolina ads the Romney campaign sent out to his beltway buddies after one of the debates… aired in South Carolina

eddiethegeek

A week later I am finding him nearly as reprehensible as I find Obama. He is a condescending, arrogant, jerk.

Even if this video about Perry were truthful, and it’s not, all it shows is that Perry is not the slick-talking used car salesman that Romney is.

I don’t think I could vote for Romney in a general election. Not that I’m crazy about Perry either. Cain and Gingrich are the only two credible candidates in the field, unless somebody else decides to rescue the GOP (heck with experience, MARCO RUBIO WHERE ARE YOU?)

porkandcheese

Bad optics.

AndrewHyman

It always creeps me out when politicians presume to put a hand on other people. But Romney is certainly not the first; lots of presidents have done it, and done it a lot more often. Clinton did it every day. It’s obnoxious, but not anything to decide a vote.

As for Romney’s “for Pete’s sake” remark, what the heck is wrong with empasizing to the idiot contractor how much harm he could do to Romney? It takes a humongous leap of inference to view Romney’s comment as some sort of admission that he only cares about following the law when it might hurt him to do otherwise. Romney didn’t break any law here, he fired the contractor, and he’s proposing new policies that would prevent thus kind of thing from happening.

williamjameson

read the CATO Institute report on RomneyCare or should we call it ORomneyCare!

SoCons follow the money and the failed analysis that the Romneybots pushed on MA citizens. We want a Fiscal candidate, not a big spender, big pretender who wants to be president because its sounds like a cool job. Romney isn’t presidential by fiscal standards. Romney could go down much like Bush and the Republican party can’t take 2 major disappointments in a row.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0915report_romneycare_a_killer_study_finds_bay_state_lost_thousands_of_jobs/srvc=home&position=0

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html
It?s important to note that the subsidies in Massachusetts are extensive and reach well into the middle class-available on a sliding scale to those with incomes up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level. That means subsidies would be available for those with incomes ranging from $30,480 for a single individual to as much as $130,389 for a married couple with seven children. A typical married couple with two children would qualify for a subsidy if their income were below $63,000.

The Massachusetts plan might not have achieved universal coverage, but it has cost taxpayers a great deal of money. Originally, the plan was projected to cost $1.8 billion this year. Now it is expected to exceed those estimates by $150 million. Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted. And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers could be even higher because new federal rules could deprive the state of $100 million per year in Medicaid money that the state planned to use to help finance the program.

williamjameson

Romney has been rude as hell to voters shouting them down time and again. Its one thing to argue like a child trying to be the TimerNanny which is the moderators job but this man has attacked voters with shout downs and rude remarks. Voters deserve to be heard even when they may or may not know the facts.

williamjameson

Thought the same thing about Huntsman!

porkandcheese

Rick James: See, I never just did things just to do them, c’mon I mean, what I’m gonna do just all of the sudden just jump up and grind my feet in somebody’s couch like it’s something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense than that. …Yeah, I remember grinding my feet into Eddie’s couch.

willy506

Got all red faced during last night’s exchange and for a second, I though he was going to take a swing.

He comes across as an egomaniac, much like obama.

wonkish1

I would never guess that folks here at Redstate would see it as anything other than a dirty smear, but outside of Redstate…

That ad can really dig into a large bloc of voters minds.That of course is just my opinion though.

The good news is that it came right after Perry’s best debate so maybe some people will say, “Yeah, no!” to it.

God I hate what politics have become. I wish there was a way for Redstate to collectively scream “stop this $hit” at the candidates because it only seems to be getting worse.

jjhlh1

I think I got confused with the course of the thread

williamjameson

a 3rd party hired the worker. Every politician knows he must vet people who are close to him or work for him in any way. Former CNN Lou Dobbs went through the same thing recently, but he’s not running for office.

Romney is ultimately responsible. I question how long he knew before acting because it takes more than a day for a reporter to get a story in print. And politicians often delay action trying to find ways of stopping the story as well as planning the spin game.

powertothepeople

we have all done it and it gets harder to follow those blue lines once you start getting a few inches of them.

bzip

If you want Romney, sure then not attacking Romney will sure get you Romney in the end.

All you conservatives who don’t want to see Romney at all cost but yet seem so bent on throwing Perry under the bus really amaze me.

You honestly think you are going to get anywhere without denting, hitting and toppling over Romney… Somebody has to do it and it sure ain’t anyone else.

uncmike

of losing his 25% lead in the polls. Mitts newly released video starring EE among others, shows he knows he’s staring at the precipice. This is especially true because Romney is really worried that if Cain falters, as seems increasingly likely given his problems with 9-9-9, then Cain’s supporters may return to Perry from whence most of them came. Frankly, I really can’t understand why, since 75% of conservatives want someone other than Romney, they keep scattering their support among Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum and the rest of the rest whom they must know will not be the Republican nominee as much as they might wish it. You also have to factor in the possibility that Perry will decide to say to hell with this and pull out. Then it would be Romney in a cake walk, and there would be no conservative Republican candiate in 2012, thus drastically increasinig the chance that Obama will make it over the top again. After all, what kind of voter intensity will Romney be able to generate if 75% of his base wanted someone else?

center77

Dick Morris say on Bill O’Reilly that what the candidates say does not matter, the only thing that matters is what they say, as in Him and the rest of Fox News. He just admitted that he thinks he and Fox news is the one who picks the winner. Some one tell me this is not happening. I’m watching CNN from now on.

AceInTX

If he is editing clips from the 2 and 3 debates ago to make it appear Perry flubbed in this debate…that would mean he’s being a dishonest and honor-less political creep wouldn’t it?

Surely you wouldn’t accuse the establishment’s golden boy of anything such as blind ambition and political opportunism and lying?

/sarc

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

The conservative vote is always split, while the establishment republicans usually just have the one candidate.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

and please, if you dont like a lot of right wingers who think that they can pick your candidate for you, then go to CNN and you can watch all the left wingers who think they can pick your candidate for you.

clintonformccain

…want Donna Brazille to tell me who to vote for.

jjhlh1

come out with their own ad in reply to Romney’s. It could feature an up close shot of Mitt Romney’s crimson face during the debate last night when he was flustered trying to respond to Perry’s attack that he knowingly hired illegal immigrants to do his lawn work. If they could film it in Technicolor it would be even more effective!

sethellis

But I thought it might be worthwhile to post something other than worn talking points.

This does not look like something that was spliced up in the few hours since the debate. The Romney campaign has probably been sitting on this ad for a while. Hence why there isn’t any recent footage.

I do not believe the story here is “Romney Bleeds”. Rather the storyline is Perry isn’t dead yet. We know Romney bleeds all to well from his experience in 2007. He’s had his moments in this campaign too.

However, the narrative that Perry bested Romney with a mortal blow on the immigration issue is only something you’re hearing on RedState. The more common analysis is that Romney still got the best of Perry in the exchange, but eventually hurt himself with the freudian slip.

Ultimately though the attack its self isn’t what matters. It’s an attack that the public has already discounted once before. What matters is that Perry isn’t going down without a fight. We are now looking at a battle that could last well past Iowa. We are now going to see the fight that we all expected. Perry will become extremely aggressive in an attempt to attract the conservative base.

Just don’t make the false assumption that this is a guaranteed hit for Perry. You shouldn’t throw stones from glass houses. Perry is still vulnerable on the issue of immigration, and they haven’t really exposed the crony side of Perry either. Next you have Perry’s positions that will never fly in the general election like his views on social security and a flat tax. Top that all off with angry bully, and you can see how Perry’s pathway to the nomination isn’t a smooth one.

Flagstaff

for the general election.

It’s still so far away that what happens today is more about creating an appetite than about presenting a meal.

SoFiMil

to what he would/wouldn’t do if he wasn’t a public figure. The transcript version of what he said doesn’t translate into what he meant. Usually, things are a straight literal translation, but not in this case. That being said, this out-of-context commercial is a travesty in false advertising.

Wubbies World

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gekster

And for those who watched, notice the subtle background changes.

http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

Well then.

drfredc

Sorry folks, but I’m one of the many who have tuned out or never tuned in. Outside of the 999 plan, these debates seem pretty much all about exposing weaknesses in fellow GOP candidates, hosted by Liberal Media icons.

I’m not sure who’s of the LOSERship is putting these ‘debates’ together but why can’t they find some conservative talk show or think tank folks to host these events so these events are more constructive than destructive. But then, this is the sort of clear minded direction we have come to expect of the GOP LOSERship.

Then there’s the candidates. Don’t they get it that for every vote they hope to gain by trashing a fellow GOP candidate, they are losing at least that many votes from themselves AND the party in general. All this sniping at each other promotes the general idea that the GOP (and conservatives) stand for nothing coherent, which is just fine by the GOP LOSERship… After all, if the GOP manages to take the White House and Congress, who’s in charge AGAIN? It’s likely to be pretty much same GOP LOSERship witout any coherent goal or message that led the GOP out of Congress and the White House in 2006 and 2008!

http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

This goes along with his hardback to paperback editing, does it not? For all the whiny attacks, Sen. Santorum brings to the debate, he got under Gov. Romney’s skin when he was challenged on the the convenient edit job. **Note, it took Sen. Santorum questioning Gov. Romney twice — seems like Romney is only able to dodge the first bullet fired but gets easily flustered as soon as he’s challenged… hmmmm.

conservativemusician

n/t

http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

No doubt, but I’d use all the times he “I-I-I-I-I” stammers and looks like a flustered pissed-off Daffy Duck. Sen. Santorum got Gov. Romney good in last night’s debate. Romney has been flustered several times in previous debates, but no one seems to notice — at least not the establishment media talking-heads.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

I started out for Perry, but this is getting ridiculous. The illegal lawnmower guy is not a scandal. Perry continues to prove that he cant debate worth a hill of beans. Obama would mop the floor with him.

Mitt didn’t bleed. He made a further fool of Perry after Perry started the job for him

texabama

I have a problem with Romney’s hypocrisy when it comes to illegals. He continually slams Perry on the issue even though Perry has shown many actions proving attempts at securing the border (which happens to be a federal issue). Texas is a border state and has had a large Hispanic population for decades…not just during Perry’s tenure as Governor. I’m originally from El Paso and can tell you that even 40 years ago my high school was 50% Hispanic. You can’t assume they are all illegal and treat them accordingly. Meanwhile states like Massachusetts show that they have illegal immigrants, too. They just might not all be from Central America. And guess what…they get state benefits as well. Maybe not in-state tuition, but federal housing and social services. Just ask Obama’s aunt and uncle from Kenya. Did e-verify pick up on them or did they even attempt to find a job?

JSobieski

Candidates should be a bit better at navigating a media that wants a food fight. I am not sure what kind of advice these folks are getting in terms of the debates, but those paid advisors should be fired.

Nothing in these debates are converting voters to vote R in November 2012.

Priority #1: Articulate a path for improving the country
Priority #2: Contrast with Obama
Priority #3: Contrast with other candidates (primarily through future plans, secondarily through record, and whenever possible, implicitly rather than explicitly)

It seems to me that most of the candidates have their priorities upside down. The primary reason that Cain (and Bachmann before him) both did surprisingly well is because of what they focused on. The same analysis explains why Newt has been moving up in the polls.

The only winner in last night’s debate was Obama. The only loser was the country. I am leaning Perry at the moment, but for Perry to make a big splash about Mitt’s landscaping service is political tone deafness at its worst.

I think a lot of people praising Cain are doing so not so much as a specific endorsement of Cain or 999, but simply want candidates to show some leadership on something important.

politicalgal1

that his team is going to be so busy on defense that Romney won’t be able to concentrate on offense.

It is amazing what you can find in a google search. I found the following, all corroborated with source references:

As recently as 2007, Mitt Romney was a member of the Republican Main Street Partnership, a liberal Republican group. They opposed the nomination of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito and set up a 527 campaign committee that received funding from far left funder George Soros. While campaigning for Governor Romney said, ?I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I?m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.?

As recently as 1994 Romney was bashing Republicans by attacking the ?Contract with America? statement as ?a mistake? and considered it too partisan, even though its most ideological plank was to call for a balanced budget. Wonder why Newt hasn’t called him out on this?

There may be more to the LDS and immigration issue than Mitt wants to have people know about: http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/2011/10/19/the-immigration-report-romney-and-fox-news-dont-talk-about.html?mid=509357

Stay tuned for the air waves war! I may actually have to turn on FoxNews again just to see the ads.

uncmike

As you say, the Republican establisment, and I now include Fox News in that circle, has their man–Mitt Romney–and they’re doing all they can to push him over the line. It seems Dole and McCain taught the establishment nothing. Honestly, they’re more interested in keeping their power than in who, exactly, sits in the White House. After all, their jobs are secure.

http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

The immigration line of attack was only a blow inasmuch as Romney didn’t simply own up and say something like, “I hired a landscaping company. It was discovered that they hired (illegal aliens). I talked to the owner and told him to (knock it off). It happened again, so I fired the company. Period.”

Now when is someone going to challenge him beyond Sen. Santorum and ask Mittens what he thought about when he found out about his RomneyCare advisers were helping craft ObamaCare.

ombd

First rule of politics: first, do no harm. This adds to the argument of why we need to focus on this Administration and stop fiddling with ourselves … http://www.ombudizen.com/2011/10/19/mass-debate/

1stRichard

Who the [deleted] is giving Perry this garbage, this is really atrocious. You want some real dirt to throw at Mitt Romney start by asking here http://masslpa.org/ Perry really needs to get rid of whom ever is giving him this garbage, there is so much more factual information and to pick the worse lines?.. There is a much better way to get under Romney’s skin?.

Tbone

did you, liar?

haners

Perry aimed the gun at Romney, but somehow managed to shoot himself in the face instead.

How many times did Perry simply not answer a direct question to him only to go on a tangent that is completely unrelated? He was trying hard to channel Bachmann last night.

uncmike

and other skeletons in the closet. I expect their book of Romney oppo-research is already bulging, and we saw in the last debate just how weak Romney is when he’s really under pressure. He’s a cool cat when he’s just sitting there while the liberal media and Republican establishment work over his opponents. But if/when Romney is the candiate, then the liberal media will turn its withering fire on him. I suspect that wouldn’t be a pretty sight.

BTW, Thank you for your informative post–I always learn from you research.

willy506

I want a debate hosted and moderated by conservatives.

IMO, the resources are there. To start, Rush has the ditto cam and a massive radio network. Why not link up with Hannity, Levin, Erickson, and Boortz. Run it live. Or air it on Hannity’s America.

What kind of draw would it bring?

acat

That’s not a small thing.

Romney’s strategy has been to be the obvious front runner, the inevitable candidate. If that’s no longer the case, then Conservatives who are willing to “settle” for Romney will take a closer look .. and those of us who remember 2008 know Romney doesn’t stand up to Conservative scrutiny.

Is it a fatal blow? No. It’s not Bachmann’s immunopsychosis. It’s not Luap Nor wishing Iran had the bomb. It’s not Howard Dean’s scream. It is, however, a major problem for a candidate whose entire strategy so far is to not get hit.

Mew

Tbone

From your blogsite Sparky, YOUR post in response to Perry leading YOUR poll. Note the date. Just when did you “start out supporting Perry”, August 19th?

“Bytor said…

No no no. Huntsman-Gingrich is the ticket.
August 20, 2011 5:04 PM ”

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/2011/08/rick-perry-runs-away-with-3bp-gop.html

AceInTX

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander I say

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

Name calling off the bat. Why?

I’m much closer to Perry, politically. And I started out strong in his corner. But he is destroying himself up there. He did not do well last night at all. Very unpresidential.

But keep calling names. That’s pure brilliance.

gekster

And it wouldn’t be softball questions.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

You picked out an OBVIOUS sarcastic comment on my blog?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

jmimac351

I don’t trust Romney because he is a liberal at heart. However, even with that said, he is (was) likeable to me.

That has changed.

I am forming a VERY strong dislike for Mitt Romney. I think he is willing to say and do ANYTHING to win. I do not trust him and now, I do not like him. I used to think Romney was just a RINO who was essentially a nice guy at heart. I don’t believe that now. I think he is supremely superficial. I think being Mitt Romney being President is the goal for Mitt Romney, not what is best for the country. I think Romney has a propensity to lie, to anyone, for any reason.

I do not trust Mitt Romney. Even if he is the nominee, I will not campaign for Mitt Romney, I will not donate to Mitt Romney and he may end up being the reason a 3rd party candidate runs.

If Mitt Romney is the GOP Nominee, it will be a disaster.

reggie182

I think a lot of people got excited because Perry became angry and energized in the exchange. That doesn’t mean he won it.

Perry charged that Mitt Romney lost all standing in the immigration debate because he hired a contractor who had illegal laborers working for him.

Ridiculous.

Mitt’s lawn is not a national issue.

Romney responded by bringing up actual relevant issues of in-state tuition rates for illegals, compared Perry’s record on immigration vs. CA & FL, and brought up E-Verify (which Perry opposes) as something that would help prevent the hiring of illegal workers.

Perry doubled down on Lawncaregate. Romney attempted to explain that he hired a CONTRACTOR who had illegals under him, but Perry repeatedly tried to shout him down.

Romney won the exchange.

AceInTX

or am I just imagining it?

publiussteve

on the illegal immigration exchange — as any objective observer will admit and many commentators have said.

The question is, which dumb advisor is telling Perry to bring this issue up when Perry is so weak on this.

Overall, another win for Romney. Santorum was OK and Perry’s interruptions were rude and childish.

publiussteve

I agree with your points. See below.

retire05

You are comparing going to a restaurant where the help in the kitchen in the back are illegals to hiring a fellow church member as a contractor who is using illegal help to be on your own property?

If you are going to make excuses for Romney, try not to make lame ones.

politicalfireball

It’s interesting to note that this video is no longer available on YouTube. Looks as if the message got out that this ad was better for Rick Perry than it was for Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney has made some devastating failings in his race for president and it is showing. His past actions speak louder than his recent words; it is something he cannot escape and will, in all probability, take him down.

gekster

who supports his baseball team, until they lose a couple of games,
and then ditches them.
If you don’t have the backbone for your candidate,
then you are one of the squishes.
You probably also let the polls tell you who to vote for too, don’t you.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

As much as I hate to say it…Romney outclassed Perry last night.

Perry can’t take a punch. And cant seem to land one either. Its too bad. I’m back to being totally undecided.

onemovoter

Because all I kept hearing yesterday was the wine and cheese act.

reggie182

Romney was attempting to explain what happened with the landscaping company. This proved challenging with someone shouting at him.

And understandably so.

gekster

Do you have a clue.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

And if that’s what Perry plans to bring onstage against him, he will get creamed. If you think Perry can bring that kinda weak stuff on stage, you’re crazy. If Romney could school him like that, so would Obama.

You guys are reminding me why I stopped reading here. Post an opinion which attacks no users here, which is what the board is about, and get attacked and called names.

Kos would be proud.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

What is the issue/question that begs for rooster crowings, assumes crickets due to dumbfoundedness…and what was the wine and cheese act?

PS – I’m not big on clicking on diary videos btw. I’m a transcript guy for many reasons, especially in the daytime due to ubiquitous talk radio and tonight, the World Series.

gekster

I am sure he is not ignoreing me, and I think he will not like it either.
But since the vid has ben puuled, because the Romney camp knew we figures it to be a falshood, I don’t know if he saw it.
Like I said, he is a busy man.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

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reggie182

Good point publiusteve.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

Get rid of Paul, Bachmann, Huntsman, Gingrich and Santorum, too. Too many people up there who have no shot.

jjhlh1

what thin skin Romney has prior to last night’s debate. That doesn’t bode well for him. If he loses control like this again I seriously think he will have a hard time winning the nomination.

By the way, I love Daffy Duck! The early zany character as well as the latter version who had such a misplaced sense of his own importance. I think there is a little bit of that in all of us so we can relate to it. The first Looney Tunes blu ray is coming out next month. The first Tom and Jerry blu ray comes out this Tuesday. I can’t wait!

gekster

The vids been pulled anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

carolina

If the talking heads on conservative shows say Romney won …… well, I am dismayed. I think Kudlow had one person who thought Perry did well with his attack on Romney. I’m beginning to think the GOP establishment is as diabolical, pervasive, and influential as I feared. The statists aren’t going to let go of their power easily.
I sure hope we elect a lot of conservative Senators in 2012!

conservativemusician

In fact, the other candidates were echoing Perry’s position on how to secure the border. Romney was red faced and agitated and it was obvious that Perry really landed some hard body blows on Romney’s own glaring weaknesses on immigration.

I think Perry’s advisors were smart to let Perry go and be himself for once instead of this milquetoast type of shrinking violent in the other debates. Perry also served notice last night that he is no longer going to be defined by the media talking heads and the other candidates who make false claims against his record.

gekster

Prety thin skinned there.
I can see why you think Perry flubbed, and want to abandon him.
You want the perfect candidate, and he ain’t out there.

jmimac351

Is that he has been running for President for 4 years and people in his own party still don’t trust him. After 4 years, that is not going to change. People have formed opinions of him over a period of years and that is going to be difficult to overcome.

People think that Romney will be able to handle Obama in a debate. We all saw that Romney has very thin skin, almost as thin as Obama’s. When he starts laughing, he really telling you he is very upset with you and you should prepare for some condescending remarks.

gekster

we know who Mitt Romney is.

jrhode2873

Cain and Gingrich are gonna benefit from this Perry and Romney brawl. This is gonna drive up their unfavorables. Cain will continue to rise while Gingrich makes a little noise in the polls. I just hope Romney collapses, that would be nice.

jmimac351

means a RINO campaign putting together a personal attack on a competitor, throw it up on the internet, realize how unseemly it is, then pull it down a few hours later?

That’s “Leadership”?

No, those are the thin-skinned, paranoid actions reminiscent of the Obama reaction team. Maybe Romney worked a trade deal for his advisers helping with ObamaCare?

jjhlh1

which is why Romney can’t best Obama. Current polls in this regard mean nothing since the media hadn’t even started to rev up their attacks on Romney. He has a ton of vulnerabilities they will exploit; flip-flops, Romneycare, animal cruelty ect. It won’t be pretty.

conservativemusician

n/t

nativetexan41

arrogrant and angry. I think Perry had a better debate last night
The ad was untruthful and it hurts Romney . He will not win any conservative votes with this kind of ads.
I think Perry will benefit from it.
I am voting for Perry!!

Tbone

for this Country as Democrats, if not worse.

explodinghead

La Raza is telling democrat Hispanics in Houston to cross over and register for the Republican primary to vote against Perry, beacuse he is too tough on enforcing the immigration laws on the books already.

Romney said he wouldn’t hire illegals because “he was running for office?” What kind of Freudian slip is that? Wake up, Romney has never had to deal with the number of illegals Perry has, unless you count the “illegals” flooding into Massachusetts to escape the Peoples Republic of Vermont.
Romney got red faced and angry and told the truth ….he only didn’t want to hire illegals because it would hurt his election campaign.

gekster

It was found out that it was from previous debates, spliced together.
Egg on face, pull it down before thinking Americans saw it for what it was.
Too late.

Tbone

You are still a liar. But perhaps you can link us to a post endorsing Perry early on? No? I didn’t think so, Moby boy.

explodinghead

It’s just a good job that the fireworks let Cain slide under the radar. He is getting wealker and weaker every time he gets a foreign policy question, “negotitiate with terrorists? Oops, I missipoke!” Also, 9-9-9 was getting slammed pretty heavily from many people on the stage.

explodinghead

It’s just a good job that the fireworks let Cain slide under the radar. He is getting wealker and weaker every time he gets a foreign policy question, “negotitiate with terrorists? Oops, I misspoke!” Also, 9-9-9 was getting slammed pretty heavily from many people on the stage.

jjhlh1

to Al Gore’s sighs during the 2000 debates. Damaging.

Tbone

just stating a fact.

txpat

O’Reilly cut the part of the debate that showed where Mitty true concern was over his campaign and how it would make it look bad on him.
Morris thinks Romney won, and Perry injured himself.
Miller said some weird comment that Perry should laid out on a table.
Hannity said Perry brought up small thing and was to rough.
Not verbatim but close.
Luntz had the focus group out of Nevada all Republicans,
They basically said the same thing.
Man Fox can spin as good as MSNBC
After hearing all this bull I must be in the minority, because I think he cleaned Mitty clock.

jmimac351

if he is the GOP Nominee and Obama points out that Romney’s advisers were consulted for developing ObamaCare? Are we talking about a cackling sort of laugh? Is Romney going to put hands on both of Obama’s shoulders and beg him not to bring the issue up again?

This is Bovine Scatology. We did not put up with this BS last November and I’ll be damned if I am going to vote for a RINO clown like that in Florida. ZERO CHANCE.

explodinghead

Have you ever seen Romney looking red-faced before, stuttering and asking the moderator for help? Like it or not, it showed a completely unseen side of Romney. I thought he was going to throw a full on tantrum. He was nowhere near the cool persona he had tried to put out there before. If he gets rattled by a question about his gardener, what happens when Obama really attacks him?

jrhode2873

As long as his favorability numbers stay high, he’s not going anywhere. He emerged from last night still very likable. Plus, his supporters are more permanently locked in than any of the other frontrunners and its not even close.

explodinghead

nt

txindependent

Took up for Perry last night. She also said he’s not a racist after the rock incident.

txpat

That the Media are pushing for Romney because if a worse case situation and Obama were to lose.
Romney is as close to be an Obama backup for them verses a true conservative.

txindependent

They thought Perry helped himself by the debate.

jjhlh1

That’s been obvious for a while. Not sure why they are doing it but their bias is pretty clear to those who have been watching.

rightwingmom52

Have you read anything about Cain’s statement on the negotiating in context or just the one comment/headline?

Here’s another point of view from a front pager here. If you’re not familiar with Jeff, you might click on his name to read about his most interesting background.

If you still feel the same way, that’s your prerogative. Just wanted to make sure you knew the context.

californiagold

One trait that many find unappealing about liberal democrats is their propensity to talk down to conservatives. We see it every day with Obama, Pelosi, and many liberals in the media.

The more I see of Romney in these debates, the more he looks and sounds like an arrogant elitist. And while Romney might not be as far to the left as Obama or Pelosi, they have nothing on Romney in the arrogance department.

Unless Romney gets an attitude adjustment real soon, Cain or Perry will be the republican nominee.

rightwingmom52

Try this: here

or the cut and paste version

http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2011/10/18/herman-cain-gilad-shalit-and-emptying-gitmo-in-exchange-for-one-captive-soldier/

supergirl2911

Perry should get extra credit for not punching Romney or something else. I am not advocating violence in any way, but when it’s hot, you don’t patronizingly pat someone and NOT expect a reaction. But then, I guess that was the point.

supergirl2911

really when you look at all the spin, exaggeration, and misleading crap coming at Perry from Bachman (Gardasil anyone?) and Romney, it is fair game. It is like a candidate’s job description is to take one part of something and totally spin it and blow it out of proportion. Perry has received more than his fair share, and if anything you could argue that he did not play that way for a few debates.

sunshinek67

The usually unflappable scripted Romney finally took off the mask and revealed one of his true identities last night. While in the midst of stress and duress, he turns purple and flustered. The most extraordinary line of the night was the infamous “I am running for office, for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals”. This will come back during primary season in television ads 24/7. This guy will say anything to get elected, a proven theory after last night’s Vegas show. I also thought his screaming “Anderson” was remarkably funny. He could not gain control of the situation and he lost it.

Most incredible is the metamorphosed pit bull in the fight that drew the blood and instigated this rare gaffe of the well rehearsed Romney, who was clearly knocked down off of his game. Perry has been hammered in these debates for his record, instate tuition, in particular and has been criticized for not responding. It is appropriate that the illegal story be dissected anew, as Perry is making the argument that Romney, with his magnetic “sanctuary mansion”, really has zero credibility on tough illegal immigration policies. Folks going after Perry for responding after a month of being the debate target is ridiculous. It’s a debate, that’s what they are supposed to do.

I think the two Rick’s were right to go after Mitt & his spin machine, it destroys a lot of air time and tends to control the room. Glad they cut him off. Equally glad that Romney exhibited some anger management issues and broke debate protocol with the creepy surreal hand on the shoulder thing. This weakens his potency as a disciplined principled leader.

Say whatever about Perry, he is going through a painful vetting process, jumped into a national stage late. He will grow into the process, folks like him in the meet and greets. He is extremely charismatic and personable. But time is running short.

I will argue that Romney supporters are not going to change their minds after these first series of debates, but the 75% anti-Romney vote is going nowhere either. As the Perry camp has stated, they understand that this is going to take some time. They also stated that by the end of this thing they will have Romney debating himself. After last night’s performance, I do not doubt this. I think the Romney ad is a waste of time, along side the “blank” jobs book that Romney supporters passed out at Perry’s NH campaign stop. Evidently he is not spending his money wisely, has a reported high burn rate. I suspect that he would do the same in a Romney Administration. Scary stuff.

Those silly stacked focus groups of Frank Luntz on Fox are getting to me, why this is even allowed on cable t.v. is beyond rationale. O’Reilly, can’t watch him anymore either, he conveniently omitted that “illegals” comment from his program tonite, however it has been all over cable news and internet today.

gekster

That fact that others can not see the obvious makes me wonder how they
can walk upright.

sunshinek67

the Romney “Ready to Lead” video on Perry is still available on Politico~

californiagold

Even Obama has pointed that out….

There are many potential reasons why Fox is in the tank for Romney, none of which are good for America or the conservative movement.

I don’t believe it’s just because of the Bush/Rove infighting with Perry. I think it’s much deeper than that, and goes to the core of Fox’s political philosophy. At a time when the tea party has created a resurgence in limited government conservatism, the neoconservative establishment that Fox represents is fighting back. They don’t want Perry because Perry actually might reduce the size of government, and Perry might not be on board with the neoconservative foreign policy agenda of endless wars.

explodinghead

I saw the earlier interview and I watched the debate last night. It came across that Cain was trying to support Netanyahu’s decision to release over 1000 palestinian detainees for the one Israeli soldier. In doing so , he qualified his answer with “I don’t know all the details”, but time and time again, he qualifies with “I don’t know” or “I’d ask my advisors”. if he had thought deep down he would have realized that swapping hostages is negotiating with terrorists. I think in the interview he really didn’t realize the underlying question. In his haste to support israel he goofed on foreign policy again. He is top tier now and if he wants to be President of the US, he needs to have thought out these things before and have his OWN answer, not say “I’d ask my advisors” or “I mis-spoke”. He gives the knee-jerk emotional response, or the response he thinks will play well in the base, and details of foreign policy seem to elude him. If he is the nominee I will vote for him, but he needs to study up on foreign policy fast

rightwingmom52

I’ve seen a lot of comments about Cain being weak on foreign policy. So far I haven’t seen a lot of comment about any of the others being any better. I think it’s safe to say Newt is the strongest, but what experience do the others have?

I certainly hope to learn more, but perhaps we shouldn’t let this go into a threadjack on foreign policy here. I’m sure there will be an opportunity to discuss at some point.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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redmymind

Strange bedfellow, yes, I know, but I’d say quite accurate as far as his read on Romney. In fact, he took the words right out of my mouth as far as pointing out the serious flaws in this “all but coronated” establishment favorite. What gives?

rickperryreport

and I am sick of Mitt Romney’s ivory league, know-it-all parental prodding of all other participants in these debates. Does he think he is the GOP field’s mother?

The video of the Romney ad that’s the subject of this thread has been re-posted on YouTube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT76BIvGsTc

I’m all in for Perry, and believe he’s getting much better, and will be acing his campaign in short order. I don’t want to break the rules around here, but I will anyway. I found the darn video for ya’ll, after all.

Come and visit me sometime. I cover the Rick Perry campaign at http://rickperryreport.com/

Joe

domingos

GBTV said Romney delivered another beatdown on Perry. That is was a bloodbath and Perry was the victim.

Seems like a lot of spin here.

http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=19920521

lucasblack

Given that Rick Perry put his hands on Ron Paul in a previous debate, it seems a funny thing to get upset about if you are a Perry supporter.

lucasblack

So does Ron Paul get credit for not punching Rick Perry in the other debate?

jjhlh1

is exactly what you point out. He should have just owned up to the fact that at one time he had illegals working for him. Instead he responded initially with a fake belly laugh and denial. When Perry continued to press him on it Mitt knew he was in trouble, which is why Romney got so flustered and crimson-faced.

SoFiMil

..

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…the text has been preserved:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-campaign-pulls-latest-anti-rick-perry-ad-drawing-more-attention-to-it/

This raises a new controversy for Mitt; why produce and then suppress?

bzip

Yes, I would be very curious what the polls look like after Perry releases his Flat Tax Plan on Oct 25;

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66384.html

It would be interesting to see if Cain drops after the GITMO hostage and the attacks on his 999 plan. It will also be interesting to see if Perry regains. Time will tell

izoneguy

Because he is desperate – Romney expected everyone to fold their tent and go home by now. That is how Obama won his elections. He got rid of the competition before the voters had a chance to decide.

Scope

is already starting to crack. While he has been on the rise in polls, and has not been seriously challenged in the debates, he has been viewed by EE among others, as the only one bringing a posotive message, and has had the ability to tell/take a joke. Now that his 999 plan has come under close scrutiny, and some negative points were made about 999 in the debate, he told a CNN host that his Republican opponents are “getting on his last nerve.”

If you watched his facial expressions during the debate, when other candidates were criticizing 999, there is no mistake that he looks very angry. When Romney started asking him questions about 999, he looked shocked that his buddy Romney would do that to him. He even stumbled over his opening words in reply to Romney.

It is my guess that now that Cain has overtaken Romney in some polls, Romney is now going to go after Cain also, all to Cain’s surprise. After all, he has talked so highly and respectfully about Romney. He apparently thought that the favors would be reciprocated. Cain is politically naive.

paco12348

I watched the debate. I’m not a supporter of either man and here’s my take on the ugly episode. Perry needed to be slapped down. He attacked and then talked over Romney trying to defend himself. That’s what the Dems do and it’s ugly and rude. When Romney put his hand on Perry’s shoulder it looked to me like an attempt to calm him down. Invasion of space? Perhaps so but wasn’t a gesture lots of people use when they want to discuss instead of fight?
Perry did himself no good with his rooster stance and dragging up a newspaper article 5 years old reminded me what what happened to Meg Whitman in CA. If that’s all Perry could find he should have stuck to the issues and campaigned again Obama instead of Romney.
Frankly, I absolutely detest people that that attack and then talk over the other person. Look at the Dems on tv that do that. It’s ugly and no one learns anything because you can’t hear anything. It’s butt ugly behavior. Santorum does it too.

tjms

I would hope that you would do what I have. I finally got sooo sick of Fox news and their Romney Cain constantly that I have turned them off. I also sent emails to Oreilly and Hannity(both at fox and radio) telling them that since the polls are showing more than 1/2 of republican voters were not ready to crown Mitt or Cain that their fair and balanced between the 2 was going to cost them viewers. I would hope all that agree will do the same. I have cancelled my subscription to GBTV for the same reason. I also asked Hannity what his problem that he states with Gov.Perry’s so called problem with the border was? Of course I got no reply but have noticed he doesn’t not keep referring to Herman Cain as his old friend as often. And as far as people saying then let Cnn tell you who to vote for, at least they don’t pretend to be fair and balanced. And Dick Morris as far as when I still watched fox has never admitted to advising M. Bachman.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

that you are so incredibly hostile towards a fellow conservative, simply because I said that Perry is losing these debates.

I don’t have to prove anything to you, Tbone. You called me a liar. The burden of proof is yours.

Its incredibly sad that a conservative can’t make an honest comment here without being instantly attacked. No wonder most people hate politics.

I hope you have a good day.

tjms

seen the other debates where Perry tired to answer and was constantly interrupted by the others? Did you also have the same understanding as to why he would not be able to?

tjms

is why I cancelled my GBTV yesterday. i will not be supporting Glenn or fox news anymore.

tjms

hope you felt the same way when all the others were attacking Gov. Perry in the previous debates? And talking over him as he tried to answer. Everyone was saying that Gov. Perry had to learn to fight, well he did and now it is inappropriate all of a sudden.

eheassler

Great comparison. I was watching that so called debate and I’m convinced that that particular stunt by Lazio cost him any chance that he had at beating Hillary. He came off as sophomoric, shallow, and inexperienced while she maintained her poise and did what Democrats do best – playing the party victimized by the evil Republicans. Perry was ill advised to stake his gambit on old innacurate information. He should shoot his researchers and whoever else advised him to do this. Romney is such a squish that there is a myriad of substantive issues that he can be criticized for flopping around on without resorting to an ad hominum attack. He came off as looking “small time” rather than a person commanding national stature and respect as a legitimate candidate for the presidency of our United States of America.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

See, facts are proveable things. And you can’t prove it.

Again, why are you being so nasty?

powertothepeople

“I did not do it. You did not see me. You can not prove it was me.”

And if he gets too “nasty” for your sensitive feelings, feel free to ask for some tissues and I will be more than happy to provide you with an adequate supply.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

that you guys are calling me the one with thin skin.

When obviously simply stating that a certain person is flailing in these debates has you all so outraged that you have to get all defensive and nasty and attack someone on your own side just for stating it.

And you still miss the point. I don’t need a defense for anything. He made an accusation. Let him back it up.

http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

Ron Paul’s explanation of that. It was not during the debate, but before and occurred in the context of a friendly handshake.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

clicking a bunch of links to know what the point is. I am from the old (competent) journalism school of letting the reader know what its about and not burying the lede,which having to watch a video is. I am a word guy. Speed reader. And I generally hate to listen to politicians, truly. I have to work 24/7 to make a living and talk radio is my background. Can’t listen to talk radio and videos on the computer at the same time, and don’t want to.

You know that i practice law and write columns for the AJC, Charlotte Observer and several websites, right? I limit video watching to sports and movies at night and have for over 15 years. I’m not a visual guy. I’m into ideas and love radio. Plus, all the quick camera changes make me dizzy! truly, I kind of hate TV and video.

No dodge. If you have a question, please type it out.

But given Cain’s gaffe-a-day and pro-choice revelation, I will probably soon lean to Perry? Happy? smile

And I will go on political campaign op-ed Sabbatical and return to issues given the pathetic GOP field. Why can’t the conservative movement produce just one candidate like Reagan in 31 years? sad

But am looking forward to Perry’s flat tax and hope he can be the conservative alternative to Mitt.

unclefred

You need to thank Santorum and Gingrich for it.

The one – two on RomneyCare, and Newt’s successful characterization of Romney’s comment to him about the source of the mandate as a lie really hurt Romney. Really hurt,. That is the image that people with no dog in that fight took away from that debate. Romney the liar…

Makes no sense for Romney to go after them as no one believes either have a shot, but he has make sure that Perry isn’t able to use the opening.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

I don’t need to provide proof, but I’ll do it just because you are such a nice fellow. Here are a few tweets I put out in support of Perry.

Here you can see I RTed a link to Perry’s new ad.
http://twitter.com/#!/pinkelephantpun/status/116509516169883648

Here I criticized Romney for misrepresenting Perry’s social security stance.
http://twitter.com/#!/Bytor3BP/status/113279115821449216

Here I refer to Perry as President Perry.
http://twitter.com/Bytor3BP/status/101835819093995521
http://twitter.com/Bytor3BP/status/101848547019853825

All this nastiness because I said that Perry is blowing it, which is a true statement?

If you’re this insecure and nasty towards someone who is on your side, simply because they stated the truth, how do you expect to convince people who aren’t?

Have a nice day, TBone.

unclefred

I despise Romeny, but accuracy matters in cases like this.

He hired the contractor to perform a service. The contractor provided a service for a fee. Neither the contractor nor his employees were employed by Romney. In this case the illegal was using false papers. Romney assertion that he never hired illegals was correct.

Perry’s allegation, as stated, was false and he knew it. A proper charge would have been, “You used a contractor that employed illegals”. Of course Romney would have acknowledged that and then hit Perry with the E-verify charge (which he did anyway).

gekster

the question has become mute.
I withdraw both the question and comment.
I do understand how busy you are.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

I never saw it, but I’m sure I would not have found it edifying for Romney. I don’t like these back and forth attacks. They don’t edify the candidate that runs them to ask for votes based on some character flaw in the opponent.

My problem with Perry was based on what he did. Not my former leanings to Cain when i thought he was pro-life and wasn’t a gaffe-a-day, nor due to any admiration for Mitt.

They all stink in my book.

domingos

Lot of false speculation last night. Romney and CNN confirm that the ad was pulled because of the use of Erick Erickson.

All the wild accusations look so silly now.

unclefred

The simple fact is that the vast majority of primary voters do better under 9-9-9 than the current system regardless of the presence of a state sales tax. They like the simplicity of the tax and the fact that it would end favor selling in DC.

The more that the others on that stage try to fear monger and obscure the relationship between a federal sales tax and a state sales tax, the more they appear to be disingenuous and make Cain look more authentic in comparison.

How many of you know exactly what your take home is, your tax bite, and how your take home matches up against your week/monthly expenses? I’ll bet pretty close to 100%. The primary voter is no different. If you can figure out the impact of 9-9-9 so can they. Unlike you they may not be willing to assume that passing 9-9-9 is impossible.

Cain is a long shot because of his sort money and small organization, but so far he’s done fine in every debate.

Tbone

And, a Romneybutt.

unclefred

nt

gekster

Perry flubbing up the last debate, with clips from previous debates.
Like Erick said, some of the clips had Erick commenting, and he did not comment on the last debate.
It has since been pulled.

izoneguy

are like keystone cops.

Problem is – once Romney gets knocked out of the race – I doubt
the Perry team will hire them. I guess they will have to go to work for Obama.

http://www.BTWsociety.org racvt

… was his attempt to “play” Mr. Cain with his (Romney’s) “I don’t understand” between state and federal taxes.

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/ bytor3bp

By quoting a comment I made on my own blog that was an obvious joke? Boy, you’ll say anything to save face for acting like Kos kid, won’t you?

Your “proof” is my joke about Newt/Huntsman. But you call me a Romneybutt. Get your story straight, TBone. It doesnt add up.

Also, how convenient that you didn’t respond to my comment above where I clearly disapprove about Mitt, and what he said about Perry in an earlier debate, in a tweet weeks ago. Also listed are tweets where I clearly supported Perry. You asked for proof. There it is. Its telling that you responded under this comment and not THAT one. Very telling.

Too bad you can’t go back and erase those comments, huh?

You jumped to conclusions, attacked someone on your own side, and made a fool of yourself with your big mouth. Now you’re trying to save face. It aint working.

Have a great day, TBone.

davesinsanantonio

the voters enter the booth, sound bites can be more important than accuracy, especially when the average voter won’t really “get”, or care at all about, the minute nuances.

rowdydfw

….at Perry’s ‘talk to the hand’ gesture while Romney placed his condescending hand on his houlder. C’mon Rick, let the slugfest begin! Mitt Romney is a democrat hiding behind an ‘R’. And don’t think for a moment that Mitt Romney won’t back off ObamaCare’s mandate because he’s a big government democrat. If he get’s elected how can he repeal the bill that was a copy of his signature plan in Massachusetts and say a mandate is unconstitutional? He won’t because he’ll be discrediting himself.

Mitt Romney has flip flopped on every stance. He will do just what Obama does, tell you whatever you want to hear, and then instigate big government programs he wants and convince you that it’s the right thing to do ‘for the children.’

mtbrimstone

Romney and his camp must feel threatened if they are having to put together ads as demeaning as this one. Anyone can roll through the footage from these debates, pick out a series of sporadic mishaps throughout from a single candidate, and put together a cut-and-paste ad that makes them appear incompetent. It was behooved the Romney campaign to pull it off the internet as fast as possible. Ultimately these types of ads will damage initiator?s campaign more than they will the recipient’s campaign, since they make the initiator’s campaign appear spiteful and degrading.

celador2

Newt made a great point on Greta after the debate. The personal fights between Perry adn Romney were a discredit to the debate and the party.. Perry did stay alive and improved but Romney held his own. If Romney wins the WH he will be head of the party and if he is conservatives become an endangered species inside GOP. Romney will runRNC and other funding agencies, his policies and people will rule. I dread a Romney nomination.

ammy

Perry is attacking him over nothing. Alleging things that have been proven to be not true. Refusing to allow Romney to finish a sentence and for him to put his hand on his should is rude and demeaning. Shill for Perry much?

lobovnvmc

is a “RINO”

sunshinek67

“I’m running for office, for Petes sake, I can’t have illegals”. The gaffe heard around the world. Fail~

olds88er

You people are very busy beating up on each other. A couple of points: Cain’s proposed 9-9-9 plan is NOT Constitutinal Read Amendmen tXVI. Congress can only levy a tax on INCOME. They have no power to levy sales taxes. And even IF they had the power, can you see them passing a national sales tax? Obviously not. So 9-9-9 is a stupid non-starter. I’m amazed Cain and his advisors ever brought this up. And the other candidates don’t know their Constitution. I am a 100% Latino and have been to every state in our Union. There are illegals EVERYWHERE. And not just from Mexico. In Miami I met one from France and twu from France and Swuitzerland by way of Brazil. Many of the illegals come here legally and stay. And many here in San Diego acquire fake documents in Tijuana. So Romney’s landscape cxontractor may not even have known he was hiring illegals. So quit beating on Romney on this non-issue.

supergirl2911

I have not seen all of each debate. But if the positions were reversed, I WOULD give Ron Paul extra credit for not reacting to a patronizing pat… in the middle of a debate.
I originally didn’t see it in the debate buy yahoo did and posted it as a lead picture.
I think it was Romney saying, there, there, I am better than you. blah blah blah blah

supergirl2911

HERE is one happy supergirl and I am sure many frustrated conservatives happy to see someone with a little fight. I like a smooth debater, don’t get me wrong, but Romney has not been challenged. To be frank, I was for Perry and was happy to see a little back and forth. I do not think, if Romney were the nominee that his FALSE smile and laugh and touching OBAMA would win him the presidency. I think he is ready with smooth practiced answers and in general his fakeness is as much as a weaknesses as Perry’s stumbles.
Many people see Romney as a good debater, but he does not come across true or authentic. I do not think he would beat Obama. I do not think he is the most qualified or the most talented.

supergirl2911

I would like to know exactly how much time and money was spent solving the immigration problem in Massachusetts. How many illegal immigrants are in the school system? How many employers use everify? How much money did Massachusetts spend defending its border while Romney was governor… for 4 years, right?

Flagstaff

but there is a reason to follow Reagan’s 11th commandment.

Maybe some details are in order.

It’s fine to find fault with another Republican’s policies and ideas for the future, even with his history. After all, that’s what gets flawed policies and ideas corrected and improved. It’s not fine to misrepresent those items, even slightly, for a perceived political advantage.

Name calling serves no productive purpose, unless you think helping Dems is productive.

redster

The last sentence says Romney’s polling average has never been above 25%. Well, yesterday I went to RealClear and Romney’s average was over 25%. I guess in the few days since this post, that has changed.

porkandcheese

The reason that debate killed Lazio is because he was physically intimidating a woman — bad optics, especially in New York. This won’t be Romney’s undoing, but it illustrates why he was seen as finally coming unglued. You have lost the debate when you have to get physical. Putting his hand on Perry made Romney look like he had lost control. It destroyed his inevitability narrative. That is why Perry was seen as having gained his footing in this debate, even if he didn’t win. He has won enough elections to be able to accurately size up his opponent. He knows the flip flopper reputation is Romney’s Achilles heel. It was such an old issue that, like most, Romney thought it had been put to rest. Perry even got him to admit that he lied about it. Romney admitted to being more worried about his campaign than about border security. You read this situation entirely incorrectly.

porkandcheese

Rick Perry would probably let him punch him and have to fight not to pee himself laughing at the old moonbat.

bzip

Ron Paul: born August 20, 1935

porkandcheese

Instead of slaving away on his lawn. Romney’s just exploiting the little guy.

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