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Herman Cain Clarifies His Abortion Position

Yesterday, Leon Wolf wrote that Herman Cain’s abortion position sounds much like that of the mythical pro-life Democrat, or like those Democrats who try to cast themselves as “personally” pro-life, but who would not do anything to actually change the law.

On Piers Morgan’s show on CNN, Herman Cain seemingly took the position that while he is pro-life and things abortion is wrong, he would not as President do anything to stop women from having abortions.

Later, he clarified his statement:

“Yesterday in an interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, I was asked questions about abortion policy and the role of the President.

I understood the thrust of the question to ask whether that I, as president, would simply “order” people to not seek an abortion.

My answer was focused on the role of the President. The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey.

As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100% pro-life. End of story.

I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution. Judges who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children.

I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life.”

This is the second time in as many days where Herman has walked something back claiming to have misunderstood a reporter’s questions. The problem though, is that it is difficult to claim Piers Morgan was asking if Cain would order people to not have abortions based on how Herman himself answered the question. From the transcript:

MORGAN: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively — you might be president. You can’t hide behind now the mask, if you don’t mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.

CAIN: No they don’t. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.

Herman did not raise the issue of him, as President, doing something. He answered as “the government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do.” This is consistent with an interview Herman gave back in July where there was no wiggle on saying he misunderstood.

Here he is on John Stossel’s show.

Again, it sounds clearly that Herman Cain is personally pro-life, but he does not favor government intervention in the matter. That position is deeply troubling to pro-life advocates who want government to take steps to end abortion.

His statement from late yesterday seems to put this all to rest, but you’ll have to forgive pro-lifers who have been betrayed often by “pro-life” politicians who say they are pro-life only to do nothing about it in office. Herman’s statement in July is consistent with his statement two nights ago and both are clearly premised on him being personally pro-life, but unwilling to push for making abortion illegal.

After all, John Stossel did not ask Herman if he wanted to order people not to have abortions. A clear review of the Stossel conversation leaves no wiggle room for Herman to say he misunderstood.

CAIN: I’m pro-life from conception, yes.

STOSSEL: Any cases where it should be legal?

CAIN: I don’t think government should make that decision.

He wasn’t talking about the President. The question was not premised on Herman Cain trying to make it illegal or legal. It was premised on government in general and Cain’s response was that “government should not make that decision.”

Let me say this — I know Herman Cain. I know Herman Cain is pro-life. Remember this? I don’t doubt his sincerity in the least little bit. I don’t doubt that as President, Herman would be an advocate for life. I believe his clarifying statement from yesterday.

What I do think, however, is that Herman is, as he says he is, not a politician. As much as that is a good thing, I think it also gets him into trouble. If Herman keeps saying he misunderstood reporters, at some point that becomes just another excuse. As I wrote in the Horserace yesterday, “The [media] narrative is that Herman wants it both ways. He says X and then says Y and then, when pressed, says he misunderstood, is not afraid to say he did not know, or tries to reconcile the positions. He’s going to have to be clearer and more decisive to hold on to a lead many think he can’t.”

Pro-lifers who are as yet uncommitted in this race want clarity on the subject above all else.

COMMENTS

  • bk

    is what kind of federal/appellate judges and SC justices they would appoint. Despite all the whining from the left, all we have reached is a balanced supreme court with Kennedy as a swing vote. We don’t need more Kennedys and O’Connors. I’d probably fear that from a President Romney more than from a President Cain. I think any Republican President would end federal funding of abortions.

  • captkirc

    It would seem that other than in the context of his authority as president, Cain through words, deeds, and funding has been unequivocally pro-life. I agree that Cain’s propensity to unintentionally speak in riddles needs to come to an end if he is to be taken seriously as a candidate going forward. There is much to like about him but this string of own goals is going to take its toll eventually.

  • ladydoc

    “Cain’s propensity to unintentionally speak in riddles” – hilariously well put! (I know this is a very serious matter, but your wording just struck my funny bone….Serious comments below…)

  • cwfoster

    at least that’s what I get out of it. Consider that there was NO Federal statute (nor is there to this day, except in certain cases) against murder, that’s why the very short lived case against lee Harvey Oswald was “The State of Texas vs. Lee Harvey Oswald”. The thing that the Federal Govt. DOES have to do, is undo the past 40 years of Federal meddling, such as Roe v Wade. The ggay marriage thing, no business of the Federal Govt. but they need to undo the Federal courts overturning of the popularly elected Prop 8 in California! Family law is not among the enumerated powers!

  • tricianc

    When asked if he’d run for office, Herman Cain decided against as he said he was less clear cut on social issues saying he “was not ready to appease voters by taking stands on those issues.” then said “I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing” (However, about a year later announced run for President)

    http://tinyurl.com/3wefdmc

    Cain added, “I’m not a social issues crusader. I’m a free enterprise crusader.”

    Cain said he had determined that while he has very strong and distinct opinions about business-related matters, he is less clear-cut in his stances on social issues and was not ready to appease voters by taking stands on those issues.

    “Too many people in the electorate are single-issue voters,” he commented,
    “and to try and cater to the single-issue voters and the single-issue pockets out there felt like I was compromising my beliefs. As an example, with the pro-life and pro-abortion debate, the most vocal people are on the ends. I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing.” Nation’s Restaurant News

    In his 2000 Presidential run, after dropping out Cain said he felt Bush was
    too conservative and not only endorsed his more Liberal opponent, but went to work for him against Bush.

    When asked about his loss, Cain stated he was in the race to make political statements, not win the nomination.

    P.S. These are only a couple examples found, there are MANY more on the web.

  • http://torahperspective.com bfkidd

    And emphatic “Ron Paul will not be the nominee?” Do you know something we all suspect? That the corrupt political machine has conspired to keep the only candidate who is committed to the rule of law/constitution out of the White House? Why else is he marginalized when he continues to have such staunch grass roots support? Why do you ignore the most conservative, consistent, truthful record of any of the candidates? Why are most “conservatives” so taken in by the spin that they are willing to settle for just another flavor of the same old poison? Only a staunch return to the rule of the constitution will save this country. Putting a bandaid on things at best is what the others offer, and more honestly, they are part and parcel of the problem. We’re headed at breakneck speed into a nation of anarchy, playing right into the hands of the elite. WAKE UP! Ron Paul 2012.

  • ladydoc

    You’re going to go down in flames if you keep coming across as being sincerely on BOTH sides of the abortion issue. The way to address the “Not even in rape?” question, sometimes delivered with a glowering, accusatory look, is to:
    1) acknowledge the profound difficulty of the situation and how it is one which the woman did NOTHING to get herself into.
    2) note how, likewise, it is a profoundly difficult situation for that unborn child to find him or herself in, and again, how that child DID NOTHING-COULD have done nothing – to get himself into that situation.
    3) then gently share that he’s, over the years, known multiple individuals who were adopted, several of whom eventually sought to learn more about their birth mothers. “Well, come to find out, one of my friends learned that she had, as a matter of fact, been conceived in rape…
    And so do I – if I’m pro-life and I always have been – have to be pro-life for ALL of my friends, no matter what the circumstances of their conception? Or do I support abortion in rape or incest? No, I don’t support abortion in any situation. And I will do everything within my presidential authority, as allowed by the US Constitution, to prevent abortions from happening. Period!”
    4) (optional) mention that

  • bzip

    “In his 2000 Presidential run, after dropping out Cain said he felt Bush wast oo conservative and not only endorsed his more Liberal opponent, but went to work for him against Bush”

    Hmm, we don’t have a voting record to look back on but we do have examples of what he has done, who he has supported. Remember Cain supported TARP has he himself stated,

    It should be clear that Cain would fully back Romney and in his own word couldn’t support Perry.

    We can see where Cain is coming from to a degree….

  • gekster

    because he is a loon.
    Most people see that, except for his loony followers.

  • drskipper

    I also have a problem with answering questions thrown at me with answers that I wish I could have thought through a little more….and made the replies clearer. I’m sure the original reply got a lot of press – if the clarification gets as much press then there should be no problem – unfortunately that ain’t gonna happen because the big dogs in the news field will ignore the clarification for the most part if not totally.

    I like Cain better than the rest of the cast – but I am in a strange situation – I have to try to convince folks I know in other states to vote with me as I live in Alabama and no matter what – Alabama will go with whoever it is that runs against Barry – it is not even necessary for me to vote for that to happen

    skip

  • Bill S

    This rule is still being enforced upon the more rabid Ronulans. Just be warned.

  • tricianc

    In his 2004 Senate race, Christian Conservatives Organization recommended Herman Cain’s opponent as they had many other social issue concerns as well as on abortion about Cain. “He declined to give his position on abortion rights”

    Read their concerns here:
    http://christiancitizens.org/georgia/june_20.phtml

  • tricianc

    In his 2004 Senate race, Christian Conservatives Organization recommended Herman Cain?s opponent as they had many other social issue concerns as well as on abortion about Cain. ?He declined to give his position on abortion rights?

    Read their concerns here:
    http://christiancitizens.org/georgia/june_20.phtml

  • bzip

    Just how many times are we going to acept:
    I was only joking or I didn’t understand the question, etc

    Do you really think this is going to go over well in a general election.

  • beach91

    Wrong Diary! See the Horserace Diary!

  • BA Cyclone

    I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life.

    Herman Cain is pro-life. Herman Cain believes in life at conception. Herman Cain even believes in crusading for such.

    But Herman Cain also believes in the Rule of Law with respect to the Constitution. The President can be a crusader but ultimately the national government has a limited role in social decisions. I have a very complex view on the matter. I think it’s critical that life be protected, but I am also confident that leaving it to government enforcement will only assure undue harm and unforeseen painful consequences.

    Herman Cain leaves it clear that he will appoint justices with a conservative view of the Constitution, and ultimately that is what I am most concerned about — particularly because I don’t see much that is constitutional with the Roe v. Wade “judicial legislation.”

  • BA Cyclone

    That’s what I get for posting in a hurry.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Any candidate we have to explain as often as Herman is not a strong candidate. Cain is demonstrating his lack of political experience every time he opens his mouth. What’s worse is that he is giving the opposition all kinds of ammunition to use against him. Not that they need any help, but why hand them so many bombs to drop on you later??

    Cain has no ground organization. He has no money. He has no experience in office. His worse gaffes are yet to come. Cain is not the one.

  • bzip

    Can I say I agree with you. Honestly, can anyone explain to me what cain has that is so great? He doesn’t have any elected office experience, no record to look back at but what we have seen is his support of TARP, support of Romney but not Perry, his gaffe machine was he for a eletric fence or not, was he for GITMO prisoner release or not, etc , etc

  • streiff

    How about the Orwellian named Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act? How about the way Justice is gong after clinic protesters. Judges are important, but control of US Attorneys and federal law enforcement agencies are just as important. Doing something about the latter takes courage of conviction, not a hands off attitude.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    bk,

    It’s true that the “most important” thing is what judges someone would appoint. But the problem I have, is that I hold a deeply held belief that a person who is pro-choice fundamentally has a character flaw disqualifying them, in my view, from holding public office. My mother is “pro-choice.” Do I hate my mother? Of course not. However, I think it speaks volumes to her inability to logically connect two discrete facts: (a) that a human life is deserving of legal protection; and (b) a woman’s right to make decisions about her health and welfare does not overcome a child’s right to life.

    I want to be clear. I truly was almost ready to commit to supporting Herman Cain until yesterday. Now that I’ve watched all of these videos, it seems clear to me that one of two things is going on: (a) Herman Cain is personally against abortion but isn’t willing to support government action to end the practice; or (b) he truly is “pro-life” but is trying not to say it.

    Either way is a very serious problem for me as a voter. I don’t want a politician who is “abashedly” pro life. Those types of politicians will make calculated decisions to try to appease the pro-choicers.

    Lastly, while I am not a single-issue voter, the life issue is a litmus test for me. I vote considering most other issues, but they first must qualify under the life test.

    So bk, my question to you is this: regardless of which candidate is, from a “utilitarian” perspective, “least dangerous,” do you think that any politician will actually stick to their guns on this issue if we as a pro life community don’t absolutely commit to holding their feet to the fire at all times in all cases? If we let someone like Cain skate on a mealy-mouthed answer like he gave yesterday and back in July, what can we expect of him once he’s elected?

    If Cain believes in the criminalization of abortion, he needs to come out and say it. Or say he isn’t, outright. I’m sick and tired of the CRAP.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Here the Texas RTL director lays out how Perry took charge of many pro-life initiatives. You can read it in the transcript or hear the audio. Very impressive. Skip to 6:48 for the relevant portion.

    http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/771/Listen-Is-Rick-Perry-ProLife

    “In all of his judicial appointments, he has appointed strict constructionists, people who recognize that the constitution was well-written and they don’t interpret or find any right to privacy in a shadow or penumbra of the constitution so we’re very pleased with Governor Perry and if his accomplishments on the Life issues are any prediction of what we’ll see on a national front, I think Pro-Lifers across the nation can rest easy.”
    (snip)
    “In the special session, Senate Bill 7, some language was added about fetal abnormalities and the state paying for abortion for children with fetal abnormalities. Well, we completely flipped out. In the special session time, it’s so abbreviated that people didn’t want to stop, people being members, conservative members, didn’t want to stop and fix this loophole. And Governor Perry’s office called us and said, ‘What’s the problem?’ and we said ?This bill says the state’s going to pay for the abortion of babies with fetal abnormalities. This has got to be fixed,? and they called in the stakeholders and sat through three hours of negotiations to close this loophole. His top aides were in the meeting and I don’t think anyone in the room was pleased at the delay and that we have problems that this provision came up, but everyone in the room was pleased that we finished it, and the bill passed, and the loophole on children with fetal abnormalities was closed.

    The bill was a health care reorganization bill, so people wanted this bill to pass because it had millions and millions of dollars in health care savings, but this provision was slipped in about fetal abnormalities, and so we had to beg for time and Governor Perry was very cooperative in letting us close that loophole.”

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

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  • gator_hoo

    It is weird to me that few, if any, of Cain’s supporters have expressed any concern that Cain consistently says Romney is his favorite other candidate. Because he has no record, we need to pay attention to warning signs, and that has been a big one for me. Now, we are seeing more and more that Cain isn’t the anti-Romney people credited him to be.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    That prohibits crossing state lines for the purpose of aborting a fetus, or relocating to a different state for the purpose of aborting a fetus.

    The federal government absolutely has a role to play here. If a baby is conceived in my home state of Florida, both my state and the United States has a compelling interest in protecting that baby’s life. However, Florida has limited ability to regulate someone’s ability to leave the state. This is within the federal government’s jurisdiction.

    A baby conceived in a pro-life state should be protected by a law that prevents the mother from traveling to a pro-choice state to have an abortion. Only the feds can do that.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Right on, scorpio!

  • Locked and Loaded

    You might not think so if you read more carefully the content of the post to which I was replying. Anyway, I have no intention of going all Perry all over this post.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    Is that a citation to some sort of religious text? Like “2:RonPaul:2012″ or something?

  • circlegranch

    Cain promises to appoint conservative judges; Perry’s already done it.

    Cain promises to defund Planned Parenthood; Perry already signed that into law.

    Perry also signed legislation that requires women have a sonogram before abortion.

    Again and again, there’s one candidate that has a proven track record. On the life issue, there’s no waffling on Perry’s part. There’s no misunderstanding the question or having one answer for a liberal or moderate audience and another for a solidly prolife audience.

    When it comes to life, Rick Perry hasn’t ever had to walk back an answer.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    The president is more than just a constitutional officer. He is a national leader. Not just any national leader — THE national leader, with the most power of any single man in the world.

    I am not willing to vote for someone who refuses to state his opposition to the practice to the murder of millions of children every year.

    And the federal government DOES have a role. See my comment above (prohibiting crossing state lines to abort a fetus)

  • Crash71234

    “The terms “pro-choice” and “pro-life” should be eliminated from any Libertarian’s vocabulary. ”

    “Whatever we believe abortion is, we know one thing: government doesn’t work, and it is as incapable of eliminating abortions as it is of eliminating poverty or drugs.”

    by Harry Browne
    December 21, 1998

  • circlegranch

    so his claim that he’s running a very unorthodox campaign is one statement he won’t have to walk back.

    The Daily Caller reported the story on the paid speeches but Cain did comment that just because he’s a national celebrity now, he’s not charging more than his standard speaking fee of $25k. He acknowledges that times are tough and he has kept his fee consistent because of the economy.

  • Vaughn Harold

    Cain’s biggest asset is his strong desire to transform the fiscal side of government. On fiscal issues, I trust him to do what he says. If he can keep the focus on that he can win, if he continues to allow unnecessary attacks on social issues and foreign policy issues he loses.

    Perry has a great record, his greatest asset, but can’t sale it, doesn’t seem prepared, and is the new name, so it’s hard to trust him.

    Romney flip flops and is a part of the political elite and can’t be trusted.

    Newt has the intellect, but has some bad history and can’t be trusted.

  • cacharlie

    for fun or profit? I see the pronoun post as profitable – reminiscent of Clinton’s “it depends on the definition of ‘is’.” The last thing we need in the White House is a smarty-pants.

    As for Perry, Governor Jindal nails why we should be paying attention to job proof of what a candidate can do in office, not whether words flow trippingly off his tongue! Same goes for Cain.
    I am sick and tired of the old saw, “do as I say, not as I do.”
    Nit-picking is useless. Character is critical to getting this train back on track!

  • AceInTX

    Would he sign legislation banning late term abortions? Will he reissue executive orders banning abortions on over seas military facilities? Will he actively work to end the abortion industry in this nation or will he just pay lip service to the cause and never do anything else about it?

    He shattered my confidence in him with this latest episode. I’m leaning heavily toward Perry with Cain as my fallback…but if he keeps crap like this up…and raising questions in my mind like this…I’ll move Bachman back up to my number 2

  • bzip

    Talk about joke. This is just amazing. Cain has no creditability

  • mikej75

    I wish he would just give a straight answer to two questions: As president, would you sign a law outlawing abortion? Would you sign a law outlawing abortion even if the law had not exceptions, including no exceptions for rape?

    It seems like he’s saying he doesn’t personally like abortion but he also doesn’t think the government should regulate it. If that’s his position, then he’s to the left of where Bill Clinton was when he ran in 1992. Clinton believed in at least some regulation of abortion.

  • AceInTX

    What decision were you referring to that the government, or some bureaucrat should stay out of…..he wasn’t talking about the president…he said:

    Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide.

    It’s hard to square that with he thought the question was about him as president and if he would personally order someone to have an abortion since the President isn’t “Some Bureaucrat”,

  • Scope

    to the tune of $65,000 from his campaign funds that is bothersome. Maybe he plans to give copies of his book away to supporters or something, who knows. His campaign is not exactly flush with money, he doesn’t have a large staff, he doesn’t have much if any of a ground team in the early states, as that would cost money. Yet he spends 65 grand on buying his own book. He said he is being very frugal, and spending his contributions wisely, but spends precious money on his own book. I’ve read that the first group of staff members left his campaign because he refused to committ to any serious ground game in Iowa and NH. I still wonder why Carmichael left. She was a very good and very vocal spokeswoman for Cain. Didn’t she leave just a day or so after his Fla. straw poll win? Wasn’t it shortly thereafter that he did the Wallace interview where the rock story came out? I wonder what she knew was coming.

  • Ausonius

    Of course, who are the delegates? Are they the Tea Party Conservatives, or the typical country-club squishy liberal Republicans?

    I have heard people on local radio wonder if an open convention, with the possibility of nominating somebody not currently on the radar (Fill in the blank whom that implies), is not the answer. Obviously if no clear nominee from the primaries emerges, then the convention becomes more interesting.

    But if the convention is run by or under the influence of the likes of McConnell, East-Coast Republicans, etc. then shake hands with a second-term MAObama.

    Romney is NOT exciting 75% of Republicans, and so how can he excite the general electorate? He is another boring, petulant Dole, a hair-dyed McCain. If he wins the early primaries, MAObama’s Minions will be attacking him for months and months before the official nomination and the election, and they might even catalyze a Third-Party movement, to drain away that crucial 3-5% from the Republicans and guarantee BIG BRObama another 4 years.

    If so, weep for America’s future.

  • JSobieski

    Cain is clearly trying to have it both ways. You could splice half his comments for a pro-life video and other half of his comments for a pro-choice video.

    There are a lot of candidates this year for the “most disappointing campaign” award, but I think I would give it to Cain—specifically for the handling of the abortion issue.

  • conservativemusician

    I’ve listened to the clip several times and it sounds pretty libertarian to me. First he says that he is pro-life from conception and says abortions should be illegal, yet government should not make the decision on it’s legality. Huh? He also says there should be no abortions, but when Stossel pushed him on the rape issue, he then says it is the woman’s choice not government’s choice on whether to abort or not. He’s wants to be on all sides of the issue, but he is all over the map and is at a loss to explain it articulately because 1) he has not fully thought this through and 2) he is pro-choice and trying to sound more conservative than he actually is.

    No Herman, it is not “real clear” what you are saying and this is not going to sit well with the conservative base who is fully pro-life. Cain is not ready to be our president. It really is a gaffe a day now with Cain and how he is still sitting at the top of the polls is a mystery to me.

  • cfoy65

    I need only look at my own family members. They only are exposed to what they see on TV…mainly Fox news. They are not real deep thinkers and don’t feel the need to investigate candidates further than what is presented. They feel they are very informed.
    First, Herman cain gives the appearance of being a fighter that is not willing to compromise with the democrats. Second, he is a businessman, and after the last four years of Barry, that looks enticing.
    I don’t think they are really paying that much attention to what he is saying…just the fact that they perceive him to be a strong communicator.
    If Cain doesn’t pan out, I can see my Mom drift back toward to Mitt because he was also a businessman and from Michigan(where she grew-up). I know this sounds Crazy, but like I said…NOT deep thinkers here. My in-laws are not much better….they actually thought Rick Perry was giving illegals free tuition to go to college. Hair and make-up had more comments during the debate than actual answers to questions!
    If you are not real informed, there is also a herd mentality…you are for whoever is in the lead at the current poll on the news.
    I do my best to inform them, but I suspect there are more people like them voting in the primary…and they do faithfully show up to vote, mind you….than people who actually read up and become informed on the candidates history.

  • clintonformccain

    These are not mistakes. He’s trying to play to both sides of issues and give Rorschach test answers that encourage listeners to hear whatever they want to hear. There really no other explanation for anyone saying, in the same sentence, that they are 100% pro-life end of story AND that government should play no role in a woman’s choice to have an abortion. Those two positions are mutually exclusive that the repeated use of them together can only be cynical calculation,i.e. playing the audience for fools.

    Bottom line here. Herman Cain’s personal views are ultimately irrelevant. The only thing that matters is his public policy views and Herman Cain, while willing to play to the base on funding of abortions (an easy position to take, really), is pro choice in terms of government sitting on its hands. Notice that he wouldn’t even give a straight answer about judge appointments, couching his answer in platitudes about “orginal intent” and the “rule of law”. Well, the current “rule of law” in the United States is that abortion is legal and universally available on a walk-in basis.

  • Xasteius

    And the GOPers (especially the Palinistas who have lost their Messiah) have fallen for it.

  • jeffreywturner

    He is running for President, not Governor, so any question posed to him about “Government” pertains to the Federal Government only, unless specifically stated otherwise.

    Second, the Federal Government has no authority to regulate abortion without a Constitutional Amendment, which the President has no role in.

    Finally, until such Constitutional Amendment has been ratified, the only thing the President can do is appoint conservative judges who will reverse Roe and give the sates the power to regulate abortion, which Cain has clearly stated he will do.

  • clintonformccain

    I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life.

    If he opposes government funding of abortion, why does he only commit to vetoing funding for Planned Parenthood? There is potential federal funding for abortions far beyond Planned Parenthood. How about in military hospitals? Medicade reimbursement?

    If he views the constitutional role of the President to not include telling women what choice to make on abortion (as he has clearly stated), then the second promise here isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. He’s basically promising to do nothing.

    This guy’s slick. I’ve got to hand it to him. He’s also pro-choice.

  • clintonformccain

    way to transfer campaign donations to his personal bank account — to effectively draw a salary from the campaign.

  • HSMom

    Sheesh! Every time I read your daily emails, there is something about Cain, and it isn’t good!

    What if he ends p with the nomination? You all have burned so many bridges here, it’s ridiculous! Quite frankly, since Sarah said she isn’t running, I have no idea who to vote for, but I know who I DON’T WANT! Four more years of the crap that is destroying this country right now and for decades to come!

    Vet candidates, fine, but let us make up our own minds about who to put in there for the primaries. Don’t pick on just one. Let’s hear more on all of them!!!

  • lookingforward

    When questioned about abortion, a pro-life candidate needs to say “One of the central and most important jobs of a government is to protect the lives of its people, especially those who are most vulnerable. This is why as a society we should never tolerate the abuse or killing of the unborn, the disabled, the elderly, or others who cannot defend themselves. I understand that these are challenging issues that raise strong emotions, but my administration will always do everything in its power to protect the lives of our most vulnerable citizens.”

  • bk

    I’d imagine all of them taking a much more traditional approach to funding and enforcement, so I don’t foresee much difference there. Maybe you think Cain would maintain the status quo in some of those regards, but I don’t see it that way.

    Changing DOJ people and attitudes is important, but that changes every few years anyway. Clinton fired every single US Attorney as I recall and any future President could do the same.

    Changing judges has an impact for decades in some cases, and certainly at the appellate and SC levels.

  • bk

    Maybe Cain is trying to make the transition from speaking his mind to measuring his words more carefully and is fumbling a good bit. Or maybe he’s really no different than the free abortion on demand backers, who can always be identified as those who say they want to make abortion “safe, legal, and rare”.

    He definitely needs to make his views clearer than he has so far, but I have a hard time believing he would be a pro-abortion agent.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    If they didn’t, Rudy would’ve been our candidate in 2008.

  • avagreen

    and as a poster said above more or less……many voters just aren’t smart enough to do the research on their own and take whatever they hear on TV as the truth.

  • Xasteius

    The powers that be will endorse the GOP nominee, and most of us here will probably vote for him as president.

  • ArchTriumph

    I am sick and tired of beating this dead horse. We need to stop playing into their template! Eric you should know better. Piers can take a flying leap… off a cliff or a dock… He tried his damndest to pin Cain to the wall. He thinks he did (they always do) and you are inflating his already zeppelin-like ego.

    Cain said the President can not enforce his opinion as an edict. That is refreshing. I agree. He said he is pro-life in all circumstances. He said that if someone had to make the very difficult decision to abort a child conceived in rape it would be their choice. He never said it was an easy decision. He never said that because it is their choice the government or Planned Un-parent-in-the-hood should be able to push them in one direction or another. If abortion was reverted to the states to legislate, and in a state where it is illegal a woman was raped and impregnated she could still choose to break the law and abort the child, or move to a state where it is legal. Cain is accurate to say it is her choice. It’s always a choice. Giving birth would be a choice, Raising the child would be a choice. Offering the child for adoption is a choice.

    Getting off his back is a choice too. I hate this gotcha crap. Support a culture of life matters to me – I will pay attention to the candidates words and actions on this issue. And Cain’s word taken out of context and his response assure me that he is a solid Pro-life man.

    Now, why don’t we ask Joe Biden if rapes go up and abortions go up as well would he oppose wasting our money to increase the number of lives cut off?

  • tailfins1959

    I will concede that Cain is pro-life. Cain is making too many rookie mistakes. We are less then three months away from the first ballots being cast. Giving Cain the nomination is like putting a 16 year old that just got his license in the Indianapolis 500. It’s a bad idea.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Some of us are uncomfortable with a candidate who is indecisive about abortion, while promoting a national sales tax, and who can’t seem to articulate clear policy positions about anything without two or three attempts first.

  • bzip

    Of course it is. Cain has no prior experience and it is showing. Cain has no record to run but a past that so far doesn’t look nto good. With his support of TARP, his support of Romney but not Perry, his non-stop gaffe machine, GITMO prisoners gaffe, brainwashed blacks, electric fences, TARP support, it never ends with Cains gaffes.

    To be honest, as much as I dislike Romney and hate everything he stands for I’ll vote Romney just to ensure Cain doesn’t win because a Cain nomination all but ensures a 2nd term of Obama at least Romney would stand a chance. Keep in mind I do not want Romney but Cain ensures a Obama win,.

    Cain is not ready to hold the highest office in the land and I am not will to take another 4 years of on the job training or another 4 years of Obama.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    -.no.-.text.-

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Instead of defending Cain on abortion, you try to reassure us that it doesn’t actually matter whether Cain is pro-abort or not.

    That doesn’t inspire confidence in Herman Cain.

  • tailfins1959

    You’re complaining about hammers being thrown at Cain while Obama and his cronies are standing there with an anvil.

  • rulken

    It would be like a BB rolling around in a box-car ! Why do people even give this idiot attention is beyond me.
    Cain as always, just gives simple, and honest answers, that they try to twist and distort to their own liking.
    Again Cain has shown, that the majority of us want in a president, with common sense, and good moral values, the same ones that we were taught as children by our parents.

  • avagreen

    and getting a free ride with the MSM and Fox.
    This is the only place to find out about the candidates.
    If Cain’s record weren’t so terrible, he wouldn’t be showing up here IMHO.’
    I used to support the guy until I started vetting him myself and have shared what I’ve found out…….and I’m guessing that’s what others have done on this site, as well.
    No more Cain for me!

    I live in Texas: Perry’s record has been trashed and lied about over and over in the MSM, with Fox being silent and occasionally joining in.

    That’s why Perry is talked about on this site so much………to correct the lies and smears.

    That’s the reason I post and read this site.

    For the truth. On ALL candidates. The media is supposed to be doing this, but they aren’t.

  • avagreen

    I definitely pushed the “reply to this” under HSMom’s comment.

    ??

  • Aaron Gardner

    If we aren’t supposed to pay attention to this because Piers is an obvious moron, then why did Mr. Common Sense even bother going on his show?

  • tyman

    Perry put up with Romney and Cain’s misrepresentations for FAR longer than I would have, and he handled it the way it should have…to expose Romney for his dishonesty.

    It’s amazing how many are simply hoodwinked by what they hear on Fox and other LSM. I don’t watch Fox any more (especially based on their more “moderate” approach. Gag me!).

  • APA Guy

    nt

  • APA Guy

    nt

  • Xasteius

    Cain is trying to get sympathy from the GOPers who hate the media (who do have a ridiculous and bigoted problem with a Republican black candidate).

    Or maybe I’m just cynical, unlike Gamecock the Optimist.

  • redmymind

    with a “Yes” or “No” answer. All this back-tracking and mental gymnastics on the part of Cain is troubling, to say the least. Will he or will he not support government efforts to end abortion? There isn’t a whole lot of wiggle room in that question, and if he attempts to create one–as he appears to be doing–he does so at the risk of losing credibility on the issue.

  • tankrken

    Roe vs Wade decided that women seeking abortions have the right to privacy. The issue of abortion per se has been danced around since. Abortion can’t be determined legal/illegal until a Law is passed by Congress or a Constitutional Amendment be passed by that process. Anything you attribute to a President/Candidate can be reversed when the next guy comes to office with the opposite agenda. So isn’t it time to change the law of the land and decide this issue once and for all?

  • tnguy

    At this point, would you trust his answer? I know I wouldn’t.

    I’ve been suspicious of Cain prior to the last month, and he’s validated those suspicions since.

    He’s just yet another guy I just can’t support for the nomination, nor in the general election. My options are dwindling.

  • gator_hoo

    Is not “threadjacked” by a poster comparing the candidate’s record to another candidate, unless we want to have separate posts for “Herman Cain’s views on abortion, but only Herman Cain” and “Rick Perry’s record on abortion, but not any other candidate’s” and “Mitt Romney on abortion, unhampered by a discussion of any other candidate.”

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    Abortion is a commercial activity (a cruel service that people “pay” for), and only Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce. Congress should enact a prohibition on crossing state borders to abort a fetus. Congress should also enact legislation requiring that the law of the state in which a fetus is conceived should govern the legality of abortion.

    What is unconstitutional about that?

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    I won’t “support” someone who is pro-choice or who professes to be pro-life but who in reality is pro-choice. However, I will vote for whoever the non-Romney is on January 31, and I will also vote for whoever the non-Obama is in November ’12.

  • acat

    States, not the Fed, regulate medical practices, certify doctors and nurses and facilities, etc.

    Bear in mind that the gruesome doctor Gosnell was caught not by the Federales but by Pennsylvania, in their newly found effort to make sure that medical facilities including abortion abattoirs confirm to standards.

    Winning the war on abortion by fighting State by State will take longer, and will take actual work by far more people, as opposed to the “federal silver bullet” .. but it is already bearing fruit in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and the deep south.

    I’m not objecting to your proposal, but I am saying that it’s not the optimal choice of ground upon which to do battle. To analogize further, we the Anti-Abort vastly outnumber our enemy – pro-abort liberals – but we cast away the advantage of our numerical superiority when we choose to fight in the narrow pass that is D.C.

    Make the Libs split their time and money fighting in *every* state capitol.

    Mew

  • AceInTX

    you should know better!

    tsk tsk

    /sark

    HEH!!

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    I never said it shouldn’t be fought state-by-state. In fact, that is where 95% of the battle will be. However, I was replying to some nincompoop that thinks Congress and the President have no role whatsoever in the abortion battle. I was giving an example of one way in which the federal government has an absolutely legitimate constitutional role.

  • txindependent

    A lot of personal questions, and Cain had very genuine answers. Piers didn’t spin it, just asked the questions. And just on this one topic Cain was confusing. The rest of the interview was a net plus for Cain with good visibility to independents.

  • Scope

    by the media to be the anti-Romney. Problem is, he has supported Romney since the beginning. How can Cain be the anti-Romney, when he has proven to be the same flip flopper?

  • redmymind

    didn’t think about that one. How could one really trust either answer after a series of walk-backs.

    scorpio0679, that’s pretty much the pragmatic approach I hear everywhere amongst our conservative faithful. As Mark Levin puts it best, he’d rather “vote for an orange juice can” over Obama.

  • capitalistpig

    wouldve been “there are alternatives to abortion”.

  • redmymind

    Come to think of it, that’s quite true: if Cain is admittedly sympathetic toward Romney, how could he really stand out as a credible “anti-Romney” candidate? It makes no sense. I’m kinda surprised why folks didn’t take this blatant contradiciton and run with it. I think you’ve got your work cut out for you, Scope!

  • Scope

    Today, it seems that many are finally getting into the gaffes, mis-statements, mis-speaks, jokes. As much as the MSM has been trying hard to prop Cain up as the anti_romney, his cracked veneer has proven that he just can’t be their spokesperson. They will move onto another candidate that can garner the conservative vote. I suspect they will go with Newt next. They have to keep the conservatives away from Perry, because Perry is the only one with the money and organization to beat Romney. I suspect that Rove et al are working overtime, and are having some sleepless nights. Hey they did everything they could to take Perry out as Gov. in 2010, with the moderate KBH. They are desperate for a win against the guy that beat them out. My opinion only.

  • redmymind

    Perry’s definitely the candidate they’re trying to torpedo by means of be-littling, caricaturing, stereo-typing, and what not. Also, I don’t happen to accept this unqualified assertion going around that what Perry did on the night of the debate was “ugly” or “unpresidential.”

    Since when have they cared so much about how Perry presents himself, being that they all want him to drop out anyway?

    The truth is, they’re very ticked off that Perry had the guts to go after Anointed-Lite and actually pierce his armor . . . quite thin though it proved to be after all!

    If they REALLY believed what Perry did was dentrimental to his campaign, they would have, in fact, encouraged him to do more of it in future debates. But, deep down inside, they knew it worked and that it got Romney to fall back on his unscripted mess of inconsistencies and contradictions. Apparently, that was not supposed to happen.

    I’d say there is still plenty of time for Governor Perry to zoom back up to where he really belongs. After all that is said and done as far as analysis and meta-analysis, I just have trust in the guy. There is just something about him that inspires trust. I just don’t get that in the other candidates.

    I know I shouldn’t say this, but as awful as BHO is, at least I know where he stands as a liberal ideologue, and what can be expected of him. I can’t even seem to accord the same sense of characterological certainty with regard to Mitt Romney.

    There are times when I try to see him in as positive a light as possible, but all I end up with time and time again is the image of a stand-off-ish, arrogant snob who simply can’t bridge that connection with real people. He’s a fake who is as condescending as he is pathetic in trying to “argue” his way out of his many serious flip-flops on issues that really matter to us. Yet, if this is the set of skin-deep skills people want in a president, I’d say it’s a sad, sad day for this nation.

    Do substance, character, proven leadership, and genuineness not matter anymore?

    Is it really all about how “smoothly” you can talk and slither your way out of a tough rhetorical spot? That’s it?

    If so, we’ve indeed become nothing more than a society of platitudes and appearances.

  • intensity

    …that Perry’s flat tax plan was supported by Steve Forbes???

    And Forbes said that he will be endorsing Perry in a very short time.

    Also, one of the staff of Bachman’s group trasferred to Perry’s staff.
    I think it’s likely several of Bachman supporters will be Perry supporters after she quits.

    All in alll, I think Perry is far from done.

    It should be very interesting to see what happens in the next few months….

  • redmymind

    And I also hear Dick Armey might be coming onboard as well on account of his support of the flat tax! I’ve got a great feeling about all this!

    Those who underestimate Perry do so at their own peril. He is one, sharp and powerful opponent who will win this!

  • intensity

    …redmymind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • conservativemusician

    by Fox and the other networks. Also, although I respect the “mea culpa” post by Leon, I still think Cain has pro-choice leanings and is looking at this more from a CEO perspective rather than as a conservative. It is admirable what Cain has done in the black community to discourage abortions, but I’m really bothered that he has said on multiple occasions that a family should decide on whether or not to abort, not the government. I still say he is trying to have it both ways on the issue. Again, this is a libertarian position – and a liberal one to boot.

    Perry has a stronger record on pro-life issues, yet because many are so enamored by how Cain presents himself as opposed to what he is actually saying, I fear than many on our side will be making the same mistake when picking our nominee that was made in 2008 when people fell all over themselves over Obama because he was so smooth and such a great communicator. They failed to see through the facade and ignored the obvious signs that he was a statist liberal and now we are paying the consequences.

    Cain is more of a moderate to me and I think we can do better than this. There still is time to vet all the candidates and I sincerely hope this will happen sooner and not later. I still believe that Perry is the most conservative electable candidate remaining in the field and I hope he will start gaining some momentum now that his energy and tax plans are out there.

  • Xasteius

    Steve Forbes was endorsed by Herman Cain in 2000? Just ironic, if you ask me.

  • JSobieski

    If you have to provide a narration for your own comments in a public debate, you probably aren’t doing a great job communicating your point of view.

    Asking someone who is campaigning to be the chief law enforcement officer of the land whether government has a role in doing something is relevant. People ask Presidential candidates all the time whether or not they would support a Constitutional Amendment, and Presidends have NO role in the amendment process.

    Neither the states nor the Federal government have much authority to regulate abortion while Roe v. Wade is on the books. So is fair to ask governors about it either? Is a question about abortion just unfair? Is it too much to expect a candidate to answer a philosophical question about the boundaries of government action?

    Unfortunately for us, Romney appears to be the best communicator amongst our top tier candidates.

  • JSobieski

    is that the writer would support the Republican nominee over Obama no matter who the nominee is because the Republican nominee, no matter how flawed, would be superior to Obama.

    Attacking a candidate from the right does not weaken a candidate in a race against Obama because Obama is inevitably further left.

    The only alternative to a public debate is a closed door meeting where a bunch of “DC establishment types” pick the nominee.

  • intensity

    …Perry is scheduled to be on FOX on 10-25-2011.

    I guess Fox is worrying that Perry might get too far ahead and will try and shoot him down or something for the betterment of Romney???

    And when do you guys think Bachman, Santorum, and Gingrich will endorse Perry?

    I can’t wait till this becomes a 2 man race with Perry and Romney and the RINO man and followers will learn how tought it is to beat a real conservative.

  • Scope

    tactic to the O’Reilly show. O’Reilly never lets anyone finish a sentence, or finish a point. I hope Perry is aware of how O’Reilly works, and will just keep talking when O’Reilly interrupts over and over again. No question Perry now knows to watch out for landmines, and turns the interview into his favor. Since that is the day that Perry is releasing his economic plan, it should focus on that instead of rocks and rogue pastors. I wonder if Fox realizes that everyone is on to them with respect to Perry.

  • intensity

    ….in a previous debate, Perry said he consider picking a version of Cain as a VP but then Cain a few weeks later says he will never support Perry.

    Now, billionaire financial genius Forbes is on the verge of endorsing Rick Perry.

    Bye bye Cain!!

  • wsfortenberry

    My analysis of Herman Cain’s confusing comments in regards to his pro-life position is now available on the Personhood Initiative website along with video clips of Mr. Cain’s statements. http://www.personhoodinitiative.com/herman-cain.html

  • Xasteius

    nt

  • bzip

    I would say Forbes is surely advising Perry on the flat tax plan based on the vieo:

    Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com