Americans For Cain Fires Up in Iowa

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

As clever as it is, it cries for a positive message from its sponsor.

capitalistpig

theyre not too happy with Cain.

Adjoran

with the techno-disco soundtrack.

But they are called “campaigns” because they are like military actions in so many ways, and you must have boots on the ground. Cain doesn’t. There is still no noticeable organization in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Florida. He does seem to have some activity going in Iowa and Nevada, but voting begins in a little over two months, and you have to fit Thanksgiving and Christmas in there somewhere, when people won’t pay attention.

Cain lacks the organization to compete for the nomination. His campaign excused one of his recent “misstatements” to his being tired from a 14-hour day, but his actual campaign schedule is very light compared to the other candidates.

For good reasons, the early states tend to retail politics. Organization and pressing the flesh. People want to see the candidate live, even talk to him. Time is short.

This is why people like Krauthammer and Will don’t believe Cain is serious about winning the nomination.

gturner

With all do respect to Krauthammer and Will what they think really doesn’t matter. They were wrong during Reagan’s run for the White House so I don’t put much of anything on what pundits opinions are.

susanbryg

One of the things that the pundits haven’t grasped about Cain and his supporters is that they love him. He is deeply conservative, very lovable, and his sense of humor is refreshing.

Love is blind, so I can get over this ad, but I think it is a little too negative and it focuses more on his opponents than it does on Cain’s position.

Perry and Romney haven’t taken Cain seriously yet, but he is rewriting the rules for campaigning all the way to the White House!

Scope

I don’t think there were many that didn’t see Cain being used, mainly on Fox, to take down Perry. Once he accomplished that goal, it’s time to go after Cain now. In this article Cain is crying because Rove is trying to hurt his candidacy by calling him not ready for prime time, in other words.

It’s been pretty obvious that Cain doesn’t have good political judgment. In building up his good friend Romney, while trying to tear down Perry, he should have known that eventually he would be on the receiving end of the same treatment that he helped bring about against Perry. He should have know that Romney/Rove would use him, and then abuse him.

http://www.richardnorman.com richardnorman

when independent expenditure campaigns like “Americans for Cain” get involved in the electoral campaign process. It is unfortunate. I personally wish that these unofficial groups would leave the campaign to “Friends of Herman Cain”.

For those who say that Herman Cain has no ground game in Iowa I would point out that the very popular former Iowa GOP Chairman, Steve Grubbs, was just announced as Herman’s Iowa State Chairman. He has brought with him some of the best and the brightest of the Iowa conservative leadership.

In Florida, Herman has a very impressive team assembled with both Tea Party activists as well as conservative and Republican leaders.

Friends of Herman Cain now has the financial resources to compete effectively and convert his popularity in the polls into votes on Caucus Day and Election Day. If others, not affiliated with the campaign would step aside, it would be helpful.

tlhanger

should just be the voice of reason, but he isn’t heard.

politicalgal1

gotten out of his bus on Saturday night at the Iowa Faith and Freedom forum and mingled with the 1000 participants there. Instead, he sat in his bus until his allotted speaking time and then left immediately after.

He has captured the interest of many with his professional speaking skills and his personality. However, now the rubber meets the road. His policy positions lack substance, and his responses indicate a lack of depth and sometimes lack of good judgment.

His greatest strength is his motivational, inspirational speaking abilities. He and Sarah would make a dynamic due being the national spokespersons for the Tea Party movement.

His on-top-of things Iowa State Chairman, Steve Grubbs, should have been at the Forum rather than in California.

Scope

by not getting off the bus and mingling. He had just confused everyone with his abortion gaffes, and probably knew he would be asked questions about it again.

I don’t understand Cain’s unwillingness to spend the necessary time in Iowa. He was there for the Iowa straw poll, and then left immediately. He went on his book tour, and was not supposed to hit Iowa again until the end of the month. He has spent little money in Iowa, which can’t please the Iowa GOP groups. He has few people in Iowa working for his organization. From everything I’ve read, the Iowans expect to meet the candidates, shake their hand, have a cup of coffee and chat etc. By Cain doing none of that, I expect he will be repaid in kind on Caucus day.

From what I understand, reading many articles from Iowa GOP heads, the race is still very fluid, and no one has the upper hand there yet, despite what the polling shows. I don’t believe any polling has been done on Iowa since Cain’s abortion comments.

http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

Cain will not be POTUS. He’s already begining to fade.

Next front runner: Newt Gingrich.

circlegranch

Rick Perry had Negativity meet him at the door when he entered this race, especially at the first debate. He came in ready to talk about his record and his plan to right the Good Ship America. Dogs don’t bark at parked cars.

These negative ad’s will fire up Cain’s base but the Iowa farmer coming in late from combining corn or beans all day will respond much better to the ads Perry rolls out that talk about positives, what can be done and how he plans to do it.

Cain is doing alot of talking but he can’t compete in the realm of current experience. Prime example: he promises to defund Planned Parenthood. Perry’s already signed that into law.

Our times are too trying and the stakes are too high to hire a talk show host that makes blunder after blunder because he simply isn’t qualified to hold the top governmental job in the country. The presidency is not an entry level position.

circlegranch

he wouldn’t serve as Perry’s VP. They were at a hole in the wall tavern having a meeting and others overheard and asked to sit in. One member called Cain un-American for saying he would serve as VP for anybody but Perry. They ended the meeting with new members signed up and had t-shirts made, “Anybody But Cain”: That comment really ticked people off. The country needs every willing patriot to step up and for somebody to hold out as being holier than thou and refusing to work because he doesn’t get it all his way was repulsive.

Cain may be doing well in Ames and Des Moines but out in the sticks, the little farming communities that have a huge fear of Obama, those folks want people to help them. Cain’s a former Independent so maybe that deep in the gut grassroots conservatism that Perry’s record speaks to, is just a little too right wing for him.

On the other hand, Newt Gingrich said he’d serve as VP for anybody. Now THAT’s patriotism in a time of crisis!

jimmyg

Rasmuessen 10/19
Cain 28%
Romney 21
Paul 10%
Gingrich 9%
Bachmann 8%
Perry 7%
Santorum 4%
Huntsman 2%
800 LV

ombd

… are rarely well received. Now in a general …

If you’re going to go this way, stick to pointing out what you believe are flaws in your opponents’ votes, record, etc. A strategy that may well bring down a certain Dem Senator in Virginia in 2014 … http://www.ombudizen.com/2011/10/25/looks-like-tarzan-plays-like-jane/

circlegranch

to the Obama supporters that didn’t care that he had no record or experience. It didn’t matterr; they loved what he said and how he said it. His ideas and solutions sounded so simple–the average guy could figure it out. This is not the time to fall for another Piped Piper.

Before the knives come out here, obviously, Cain is a world apart from Obama and his policies but the blind loyalty he’s earning is not a good idea. We need to examine proven records of accomplishment. We need to consider who can put up solid solutions and not someone that has to walk back basically every big issue he speaks on. What has Mr. Cain done in the last two years to counter the recession? What has he done to defend a border? What has he done for the military and veterans in the last 2 years? Use that as your measuring stick, not promises and not reliance on a record that is 15 years behind us.

Eyes wide open, folks. The country and your posterity are depending on us to get this right.

Crash71234

Perry is a Birther.
Newt and Romney believe in man-made global warming.
Paul and Bachmann are crazy.
Bolton isn’t running.

gekster

What has he said that indicates that to you.

bzip

Cain is a walking Gaffe Machine.

So explain to us with clear cut evidence what makes you state Perry is birther? Care to explain.

acat

every candidate has his or her group of “true believers” who, until the candidate exits the stage, insist that he or she can still come back.

When a candidate is on an upswing, they sort of blend in.. but when a candidate hits a downswing, they stand out as a tad daft.

The good news is, most of ‘em will eventually back the nominee. (yes, over 50% of the Paulistines will both make it to the polls and vote for the GOP nominee.)

The bad news is, unlike Barbour, Christie, Daniels, Palin, and Pawlenty, several of the other no-path-to-the-nomination candidates are stubbornly staying in…so we’re going to keep getting the occasional “Santorum can still win, he just needs {conspiracy theory stuff}” for a bit longer.

Mew

acat

I .. do not see it that way, bzip.

Mew

circlegranch

and its only a matter of time before they pressure him to bow out. Of couse, he has to hang in there, though, to win Iowa and pull the tea party along and once he has captured that vote, he drops out and delivers them to Romney. It’ll be interesting to see how many of the Rove’s, Morris’, and Coulter’s will write books about it. After they write a book on the stunning victory of Mitt Romney and how he reclaimed the Republican Party from the wacked out tea party. Tea Slayer in Chief.

It’s sad to see the hard work, time and effort put forth by the thousands of small liberty groups and tea party organizations across America being played this way. It doesn’t appear enough of them are going to wake up in time. When they were awake and at the top of their game, they were a force to be reckoned with; think back to 2010. Those were the days………….

Cain will go forth from this with a packed speaking engagement schedule and more books in the pipe. He will have earned his place in presidential election history on a number of levels, his ego will be satisfied and he’ll be ever more wealthy.

It was stated here yesterday but for those of you that missed it and think that Herman Cain simply emerged from nowhere in politics because he’s upset with Obama, do your homework. He’s on record way back as far as 1994 saying he may well run for president some day. Long before the image of Barack Hussein Obama was being made into Halloween masks. He has had a hand in Washington lobbying as president of the National Restaurant Assoc. and he was touted as possible VP for Dole. There’s always a bit more (or alot) that meets the eye in these races. If there ever was a time to shut off Hannity or Krauthammer, its now. Do your own research, make good sound decisions and don’t be anybody’s fool. Not this year.

bzip

I keep saying the same thing. The support (worship) Cain is gaining from some people is really concerning.

They don’t care that he has no prior experience and that uin the general election is going to be a big problem. They don’t care he hasn’t been vetted that closely. They don’t care he is a walking gaffe machine. They seem only too inspired by rhetoric speeches. Sounds to messiah like to me.

Does anyone really know what Cain stands for how he will govern and when have no prior record. Doesn’t that sound the least concerning to any of his supporters?

bzip

To me it is coming down to; Anybody but Cain (even Romney is better) because of two reason: 1) A Cain nomination ensures a 2nd term for Obama 2) I have NO interest in going through another 4 years of on the job training.

For Cain to have come out and say the things he has about Perry I find very concerning and surely at the least a non-conservative view point from him. If Cain is suppose to be the anti-Romney candidate explain to me why Cain seems to favor Romney so much.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

president’s name. I suggested over the weekend that he was showing signs of laziness. Now, from Mark Steyn:

Don?t get me wrong, I like Herman Cain. I like ?Imagine There?s No Pizza?: It would be the greatest presidential campaign song since ?Tippecanoe And Tyler, Too.? I like his sunny disposition: Mien can be determinative ? it?s why Rick Santorum is right on almost everything, and going nowhere. I like Cain?s electrified fence gags, on the general principle that no sane person should climb into the straitjackets of the politically correct enforcers.

And yet, and yet. . . . The foreign policy, hostage-trading, abortion stuff is becoming more difficult to ignore. I don?t think Charles Krauthammer?s assertion that Cain?s ?winging it? fully explains it, nor does the Pundette?s that he is ?incoherent.? Cain?s boast that he can?t name the president of Beki-beki-beki-beki-beki-beki-stan gets closer to it. It?s a cute line, notwithstanding that parochial braggadocio is easier to carry off when you?re a soaring hyperpower rather than a multi-trillion-dollar sinkhole whose citizens? future is increasingly mortgaged to foreigners of one degree of unsavoriness or another.

But the ?stan shtick is a glimpse of the greater truth ? that there are whole areas of public policy in which he simply has no interest. None. You ask him a question and from the recesses of his mind swim up half-recalled phrases from some panel discussion he caught once long ago, and he hopes he grabs the conservative line (?I?m proud to stand by Israel,? ?we don?t negotiate with terrorists,? ?life begins at conception,? whatever) but just as often he doesn?t (with Gretchen Carlson this morning: ?No, abortion should not be a part of the political discussion?).

His fans say he?s being set up with ?Gotcha? questions. But these aren?t the Hoogivsastans way out on the fringe of the public policy map. They?re the first stops on the central thruway of American politics, and have been for most of Cain?s adult life. And it?s becoming harder to avoid the obvious truth that he hasn?t given them a moment?s thought.

It would be nice to have a candidate with a sunny demeanor who gets the urgency and understands the way fiscal insolvency, foreign affairs and social policy interact. But maybe from a talent pool of 200 million or so that?s an unreasonable expectation.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281130/when-stan-hits-fan-mark-steyn

Scope

As I’ve said before, the people of Iowa expect every candidate to spend time and money in their state. Cain has not done that. No matter what group tries to fill that void for Cain’s absence, it is not the same as Cain putting forth the effort himself.

Cain’s confusing abortion comments have not yet been reflected in the Iowa polls. As someone else pointed out, when he went to Iowa for the Faith and Freedom event, he stayed on his bus, went in and spoke, came out and left immediately.

Cain still has something like 10 more weeks to open his mouth to exchange feet, and he has a habit of doing that. From what I’m reading, the ads Cain is running in Iowa are negative, which will hurt him. He has portrayed himself as the uplifting, inspirational, motivational speaker that makes everyone feel good. Negative ads will put a serious dent in those who like him because of his positive attitude and campaign.

On the other hand, Perry is starting to run positive ads in Iowa, introducing himself, and his vision for the country. That will go a long way. Coupled with today’s Tax Plan, that is receiving great reviews, I expect him to start going up in polling again. Perry is also spending much time and money in Iowa.

What is Cain doing in Chicago?

tngal

Sorry, that should say congressman Dan Benishek, While the republican “establishment” were deciding amongst themselves which lucky politician would pick up Stupak’s seat in Michigan’s 1st district,– the grassroots made their own decision. And he won.

And I would add, congressman Scott Desjarlais’ support here in TN.

I’m sure there were other long shot winners but the names escape me.

No experience in politics. Solid conservative support thrust them to the forefront. Intelligent mods got them over the hump to the wins because those mods understood what was in Washington wasn’t working and making us bankrupt.

(But they just won house seats. Its not like the presidency. We just can’t have a conservative non-politician in the white house. its totally different. Its not even the same thing. this is a real election. It’s.., well,… no we can’t have that. /s )

Scope

that poll was done before all of Cain’s confusing abortion comments. Cain will suffer from that with no doubt, especially in Iowa.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

And this wasn’t in a debate! His incompetence extends to relaxing interviews with Parade? Competing with Cain for gaffes?

anxious4change

“but what have YOU done about illegal immigration, Mr. Cain?”

I like Cain. After Perry, and then Gingrich, he’d still be a billion times better than Obama (along with the others that are running), but our country has been in the hands of a very inexperienced leader for 3 years. Cain needs to show us that he’s capable of tackling our problems, including immigration. All he did in this ad was tell me he has nothing to offer on the subject but criticism for the other more experienced candidates.

gator_hoo

The Cain camp has decided that the best way to capitalize on people upset about Romney and Perry attacking each other is by attacking both?

gator_hoo

For an ad that is supposed to bemoan other candidates’ negativity, this does come across as awfully negative.

Finrod

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circlegranch

and although DeMint won’t ‘knight’ anybody at this point, its time these two guys have a frank discussion. Perry had to cancel the last one because of the wildfires at home. DeMint has made a public statement to the effect that Cain needs to be more careful with some of his statements, so hopefully he still has an open mind about who should carry the Tea Party banner in this race.

As to ‘what is Cain doing in Chicago?’ Michelle O and Rahm Emanuel are teaming up to talk about what we are supposed to eat. Maybe Cain’s jumping in on that action. Seriously, he’s doing well among Republicans in IL so I suppose he’s going to try and pump that up but as a native of IL, I have news for him. If he wants to drum up votes in IL as a conservative, Chicago/Cook County is the wrong place to go. Plus, Michelle Obama is going to suck up all the media and oxygen from political reporting today.

gekster

Look to who I am replying to.
Then get another cup of coffee.

Change Jar Conservative

(And if you’ve been reading here the last few weeks, you know how much my tongue is planted in my cheek).

I’ll be honest, I’m tired of the drama.

Give me Mitch.

Scope

Perry was a farmer himself, and he was also the Agriculture Commissioner in Texas. In his WSJ article he says that he will do away with the Death tax forever, and that family farms can be passed down through the generations without having to sell the farm to pay the tax burden.

Perry is such a great fit for the Iowa Conservatives, and by the time the caucuses begin, most Iowans will recognize that also.

acat

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profit!

?

(should I grab herbstate.com .. or is that already a hemptopia site?)

Mew

gator_hoo

Cain has taken several positions that conservatives generally don’t like.

1) What he plans to do about abortion is spotty at best. After he released a statement saying he supported making abortion illegal and a constitutional amendment banning abortion, he went on Fox and Friends and said he doesn’t think abortion should be a political issue.

2) The 9-9-9 plan essentially adds two new taxes, a sales tax and a VAT. (His corporate tax rate is on all gross receipts minus capital expenditures, but doesn’t exclude payroll, for example.)

3) His 9-9-9 plan also has protectionist aspects, because it’s only exemptions outside of capital are for exports and to purchase American-made items. Expect retaliation from other countries.

4) The 9-9-9 plan also has empowerment zones, which are in essence federal subsidies to bad local government. He wants to give lower tax rates to “depressed” municipalities but a lot of the reason an area like Detroit is depressed is because of it’s local and state government policies. Empowerment zones help to subsidize those poor decisions.

5) He has consistently stated that Romney is his favorite other candidate. How conservative can you truly be when your favorite candidate is Mittens?

I don’t have any doubt that Cain is a good man. I have plenty of doubt about how capably, and how conservatively, he would govern.

5) The

Change Jar Conservative

Please tell me we’re not going to re-do 1996 and hand a terrible president another term.

circlegranch

of federal refusal to enforce immigration laws. All the fed’s have done is mandate that states take care of their basic needs and shut up about. Cain can whistle a pretty good tune about immigration because he’s never, ever had to deal with it, take flak for it, follow federal regulations regarding it, faced the reality of a SCOTUS decision regarding education. Like the person with no children that knows best how to raise them, he pontificates about what he thinks is wrong. No matter how stringent a plan he may roll out, he would never get a thing done with Congress as long as his plan is build barbed wire fences.

Scope

is a PAC set up to help Cain. According to the FEC, Cain is not allowed to coordinate with the PAC. So even if the PAC puts out negative ads, or speaks for Cain in any manner that he would disagree with, he can’t stop them or control them. If he speaks out against the PAC, he loses their support and volunteers.

The PAC set up to help Bachmann, which had as it’s sole purpose to attack Perry, I’m sure did nothing to help Bachmann. Bachmann herself did nothing to help her campaign with her own attacks on Perry.

There is a CA PAC set up to help Perry. Let’s hope they don’t make the same mistakes as the Cain and Bachmann PAC’s.

tngal

He could be veep. Look at biden. Biden’s using his skills to…ok truthfully, I have no idea what Biden is used for in the white house. But putting romney in as veep and keeping cain healthy would aid in getting the mod vote.

gator_hoo

He was directly asked a question on the birth certificate. Trump is one of the big names in the birth certificate issue, and if he had dinner with him last night, it would have been natural to bring that up.

Perry said he believed Obama was born in America and that it is a distractive issue. The birther accusation is out-of-bounds.

Finrod

From CNN, via The Other McCain:

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) – Herman Cain was the target of a mysterious attack Saturday night when leaflets targeting the Republican presidential frontrunner were left on car windows outside the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition’s fall banquet in Des Moines.

The leaflets, one of which was left on the car of a reporter, accuse Cain of being ?pro-choice? and question his opposition to abortion.

?Herman Cain threw the babies under the bus,? blares the flier, which features a headshot of Cain next to a picture of a tiny aborted fetus.

…

Two groups named at the bottom of the flier take credit for the attack: ?Iowans for Some Semblance of Christian Decency? and ?Iowans For Truth and Honest Government.?

A message to an email address listed for Iowans for Truth and Honest Government was not returned, but both groups have surfaced in recent election cycles to wage shadowy smear campaigns.

If Romney, Perry, and all the rest have any shred of decency in them, they’ll condemn this blatantly false smear campaign. I don’t expect them to, though.

explodinghead

What has Cain done on immigration? And then, why not? Answer….he has never held any political office ever . He has never been in the position of either of these two candidates, who as Governors of their state, actually had to make hard choices regarding illegals. So, Cain can say what he might do, but we have no proof. His supporters will love the ad, once again style over substance.

acat

The issue may be off the front page and “discredited”, but the anger that fueled it is still out there.

Perry references the anger via the Trump statement, without actually saying anything that can be used against him.

I suspect, G.C., that you may be using the wrong set of evidentiary rules….

Mew

libdestroyer

Should be the tagline for Redstate.com.

You Perrybots go right ahead a give your guy a pass on his questionable policies while shedding Cain’s…

Herman Cain will continue to be optimistic. He’ll continue to spout easy-to-understand policies that are pro-business. He’ll also continue to lead Rick Perry in the polls because Perry BLEW HIS CHANCE.

tngal

the full disclosure is he’s met or is meeting with just about all the candidates. Not sure about Huntsman.

acat

there’s not much chance of the Dems retaining 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

That said, they could still put in a ringer and try to hang onto the Senate and maybe pick up some House seats….

I’d like to have a better feel for whether the Tea Parties are going to be as strong in 2012 as in 2010 … that’s going to matter quite a lot.

Mew

gekster

Whats ya got.

Finrod

It’s not Iowa but here is CBS’s latest poll, and deltas from their 10/3 poll:

Cain 25 (+8)
Romney 21 (+4)
Gingrich 10 (+2)
Paul 8 (+1)
Perry 6 (-6)
Bachmann 2 (-2)

acat

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bzip

I don’t what polices are questionable but personally I wouldn’t go there since your Cain guy doesn’t have any prior experience or prior polices to go by. In fact the one he is famous for coming out with (the 999 plan) is merely a new national sales tax (I thought republicans were against new taxes). Not a good sign for Cain.

I don’t have a problem admitting Perry may not be the best debater ( though that can change) but you Cain-Bots need to accept Cain’s faults too – no prior elect experience and a walking gaffe machine.

retire05

Stacy McCain has jumped the shark over Cain. He has been following Cain around like a 6 wk old puppy. The other day he claimed that the Team Perry had developed a “destroy Cain” tactic, but gave no proof of it. Stacy McCain was talking about a Politico article and basically blamed Team Perry for it but then, trying to cover his a$$, McCain said:

“So it would be unfair to jump to the conclusion that Team Perry was responsible for that item, HOWEVER”

Stacy has taken to reponsonding to comments on his website slamming anyone who even questions Cain’s actions. It’s almost like Stacy is suffering from hero worship. It ain’t purdy.

gator_hoo

Why does Cain himself seem to understand so few of them?

gekster

The last debate was 10-18.
Got a poll from after 10-18.
Just asking.
And two weeks in politics can be a lifetime.

retire05

Here are some more for you from the University of Iowa, Oct. 25, 2007

Romney 37.8%
Huckabee 13.%
Guiliani 10.6%
Thompson 9.9%
McCain 4.6%

Cain is making the same mistake Romney made. Romney thought he had Iowa in the bag, and although he dumped tons of money and resources into Iowa, he didn’t really campaign there. Cain is not on the ground in Iowa, and no amount of “friends of Cain” can actually do the retail politicing that Cain needs to be doing.

Oh, yeah, Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, 2008. Romney dropped out one month and 4 days later.

tngal

Perry “announced his candidacy” at a Redstate convention. Of course there’s going to be some bias.

Remember Palin showing her support for McCain running for senator during this last election cycle. She kept going on about how he was a real conservative.

That left some, especially in the tp scratching heads. But what did they expect, he put her on his ticket when he ran for white house so she returned the favor.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

I remember a time not too long ago when a certain candidate was denounced for not attacking another candidate. Oh, how times have changed.

lineholder

was the information included about Cain’s support from TEA Party members. Quoted:

“The poll was conducted Oct 19-24 among 1,650 adults. 1,475 interviews were conducted among registered voters and 455 voters who said they plan to vote in a Republican primary. The margin of error among primary voters is plus or minus four percentage points.

Cain’s support surged among voters who identified with the conservative Tea Party wing of the Republican party, rising to 32 percent in mid-October from 18 percent just a few weeks ago. That’s more than four times the level of support he had from the group in mid-September.”

Gallup usually releases some sort of new polling data on Tuesday afternoons, so it will be interesting to see that as well. They only update ballot support totals once a month, around the first of the month, I think.

I’ve seen a few polls where Cain’s number seem to have decreased, but those who have transferred their support to another candidate seem to be going with Gingrich.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

…which means that we roll three six-sided dice* and consult a list of candidates to determine who we’ll be obviously in the tank for today.

Moe Lane

*Weird to type out the description that way.

uhangtight

Texas Dream Act
Questionable Executive Order (and the lie about it afterwards)

Are the two policies that I can think of, yet this LBJ clone Southern Democrat is considered ‘the only conservative republican candidate’, can hardly tell the difference between Mitt and Petty Perry.

Alas, they cannot see how blind they are towards this LBJ clone.

tailfins1959

Let’s do the math, shall we? If the Dems own 95% of the black vote and 95% of the Latino vote, they have 30% out of the gate. If they get 30% of the women’s vote uncontested, the Dems get to a permanent majority without bothering to campaign 30+(0.3*70) = 51%. Talking about an electric fence and no Muslims in his administration won’t help. The bottom line is this: If the GOP lets the Latino vote go uncontested, they can forget about winning future Presidential elections, and maybe this one as well.

gekster

mybad.
disregard my previous comment.

acat

Red State 10k rules.

Thanks, Moe.

Mew

reggie182

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281122/cain-gingrich-set-spar-robert-costa

This is very interesting, and I have to tip my hat to Herman Cain for having the guts to accept Newt’s challenge on this debate, which is said to be focused strictly on entitlements, an area where Newt’s knowledge is pretty abundant.

If Cain performs well and demonstrates a comprehensive grasp of issues outside his 999 plan, his position as the principal challenger to Romney is going to be further solidified.

If Gingrich performs well…..well of course he’s going to do well…..let me say if CAIN does poorly, then it could open things up a bit. for the rest of the field, but particularly for Newt.

tngal

Remember this is post electric fence, abortion, uzbeki beki,stan, 999 is a killer, blacks don’t like him and everything else up to yesterday.

Yet still he does well in this latest poll.

The experts and armchair pundits are worried. They’ve been swearing up and down his polls were going to plummet after (insert gaffe or attack here). But so far no plunging. Next gaffe for sure… possibly, er, maybe .

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

runner12

It says nothing about Cain and why people should choose him or why he is better on the immigration issue.

There were some heated exchanges Cain had with others regarding the 9-9-9 plan, so is that unacceptable as well? It just seems like a poor argument to me.

A better ad would be just to stick to why people should vote for Cain. So much for a positive campaign for Cain. I guess they just thought going negative was better.

gekster

Do you what the Texas Dream Act is.
What did Perry lie about with the EO thing.

izoneguy

I have never seen a flip flopper like Cain, since Romney….

Newt will wipe the floor with Cain.

I am pretty sure Cain will bow out at the last minute.

gekster

comment below, need more coffee.

Change Jar Conservative

First of all, it gives them an exclusive spotlight.

Secondly, it will show them actually talking about the issues without a moderator.

Thirdly, if Cain can hang with Gingrich, it will boost Cain.

If Gingrich can show that he’s equal to Cain, it gives him a chance for a boost.

retire05

CBS Poll, Oct. 12/16, 2007

Guiliani 29%
Thompson 21%
McCain 18%
Romney 12%
Huckabee 4%

Your polls are useless this far out.

reggie182

Well I believe this debate will give us a pretty good idea whether or not that’s the case.

Something tells me that Cain wouldn’t accept this challenge if he wasn’t confident he could articulate a comprehensive understanding of issues outside of 999.

And no, I seriously doubt Cain will bow out at the last minute. He would be labelled a chicken and people’s confidence in him would be severly undermined.

earlgrey

of course I WILL do if they are the republican nominee (I plan to bring an air sickness bag with me to the polls ).

I don’t like any ads making the GOP look like idiots, which this one does. It might as well have been written by the DNC as far as I am concerned.

p3orion

Biden is Obama’s life insurance policy against an assassination attempt.

p3orion

Cain is being used by the Republican “establishment” to split the conservative wing of the party with Perry, leaving Romney on top. This is just like Mike Huckabee being used to split votes with Romney in 2008, to let McCain win by default.

Meanwhile, I’m starting to get an uneasy “Fred Thompson” vibe from Cain.

tngal

You really need to check his smoking man ad. I liked it better that this one and thought it funny.

the smoking man reminded me of Steve Miller’s “Joker”, because Cain has a wickedly fun sense of humor and some have called him a space cowboy.

He is without a doubt unorthodox when it comes to campaigning.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

If you think a couple of bad debate can sink a candidate, I will tell you it is much worse to have a couple of weeks where you go on television, you can’t answer questions, you say strange things, and you have to walk back some of your previous statements.

He is just no ready for prime time.

lineholder

relating to that debate?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281122/cain-gingrich-set-spar-robert-costa

I had heard that it would be dealing primarily with economic issues, but this provides greater detail of explanation. Quoted:

?This debate is going to be dominated by the candidates going back and forth, in a respectful way,? O?Sullivan says. ?It will be divided into parts, one for each major entitlement ? Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid ? with each candidate detailing their arguments.?

With Cain’s background in economics and Newt’s experience with legislation, it should be a very interesting debate. If none of the major networks pick it up, I hope someone will post it on youtube.

uhangtight

First, the lie: he stated that he met with a cancer survivor and decided then that 12 years old girls should be given government mandated shots to prevent HPV (which is sexually transmitted). After this meeting he was compelled to sign the EO. Nope, not true, he met with her after he signed the EO. Look it up buddy.

The Texas Dream act: paying college tuition for illegals. “Cause, they qualify for education they just can’t pay for it…” Get a loan like the rest of those US Citizens who can’t afford it or gee whiz maybe you just don’t go like the rest of the US Citizens.

I am a California native and am so tired of the carrots given to include illegals while excluding legal citizens. n/t

red_oakster

I prefer Perry, but I’d support Cain if necessary to stop Romney.

gekster

They have to pay thier own way, by themselves.
Look up the Texas Dream act, and actually see what it entails.

onemovoter

Otherwise they would obviously not be spewing the crap they are posting here.

reggie182

I’m surprised C-Span isn’t covering it.

gekster

Did a search on “rick perry meets with cancer patient”.

Only one news scource has the story, ABC, and that one story is picked up by many lefty blogs.
There are no timelines, and the only proof is Perry with the woman in the hospital bed, which was well after the EO.
They don’t give any proof of when Perry met with her in his office.
No dates, nothing.
And if it was true, why arn’t the other candidates running with it, as it would be most damaging.
Seems like a lefty hit, if you ask me.

Common_Cents

I’d think being against it would eliminate a lot of support in IA.

izoneguy

Bill lets minors get HPV vaccine without parents’ OK

acat

(crickets)

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

the Azores. He usually returns here to his Stone Mountain “oracle” roost at years end (every year) and several times from August thru Election Day during presidential years.

izoneguy

Maybe they can move to California and protest Jerry Brown who REALLY will inject girls with HPV.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

with whether one believes or accepts that Obama is natural born or that his long form birth certificate is authentic. If Perry had said all he said and left out his gratuitous mention of Trump and not in a funny way (which is also significant), he would have been fine.

He stepped in ti trying to be too cute by half.

But he would be a great President and is my #2 choice at present, barely behind Cain, to who I lean and who will probably make a gaffe as bad or worse than Perry’s before the sun sets in the east today!

Aaron Gardner

I still think people are making way too much out of this. At least he was going after Obama and not another candidate.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

There are meany ways it could be stupid and if Perry is intentionally tapping into a group of people still angry over the birth certificate that vote on that would only vote for him on that basis, then he is still stupid on many levels, not the least of which is how microscopically small is that universe of voters.

avagreen

**thumbs up**

libdestroyer

maybe Perry should focus on beating Ron Paul in the polls first before worrying about Cain and Romney. LOL!

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

That is the best explanation is that the Trump reference was a joke. I have only read the transcript and would probably get a better feel from audio.

But there are an infinite number of ways to tell jokes and to bring up Trump in this context was stupid and worse than a bad joke. Bad judgment inho.

And Perry is my VERY CLOSE #2.

Cain’s gaffes have also take a toll on me. But I had no problem with his fence joke. Better joke than fraudulent both cert joke imho.

lineholder

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

libdestroyer

how forgiving the electorate can be when it comes to attacks. Cain is being rewarded for simplicity, confidence and optimism. Perry and Romney look like two brothers fighting constantly.

libdestroyer

infested with perrybots. The authors (with the exception of Streiff) have been fair in their analysis and criticism of Cain.

I’m waiting too hear someone break down and tear apart Perry’s or Romney’s economic plans… anyone?

libdestroyer

That’s a vague response. What makes you think Cain doesn’t understand his own plan?

Aaron Gardner

Perry has a sense of humor, a trait that was much praised when the discussion was about Cain.

libdestroyer

both Cain and Gingrich shine when it comes to debates. My theory is that this is not a “debate” as much as it is an exhibition sparring match. I don’t think the goal will be to attack each other.

I think there’s a possibility Newt is aiming for the running mate position if Cain does win…

just a theory…

libdestroyer

I agree completely. Cain needs to stick to being the ONLY one in the field who displays optimism

libdestroyer

some people call him Maurice…

Common_Cents

Talk about going negative. The perry/romney beavis and butthead show was embarrassing for both of them and the GOP. Two school boys arguing on the playground. Hardly Presidential. I wish they’d quit falling for the traps set by the lame stream media. They both are better than that.

libdestroyer

Does that explain why Herman cain is LEADING the field in the latest national poll?

This is AFTER the slip-ups btw.
(for the record, Cain needs to stop going on those lib talk shows that continuously try to trap him.)

Common_Cents

Although Erick’s interview series would be much better than the lame stream media WWE phony debates, 2 candidate head to head debates would be much much better. A series of them where the top 4 candidates get to face each other.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

It was to Parade that he brought up Trump gratuitously and that could arguably be justified if the joke was good, not the damage control with CNBC. But yes, he has a sense of humor on CNBC.

He should not have brought up Trump as some sort of “source” on Obama’s birth certificate authenticity. Dumb and on paper at least, not close to funny.

But Perry is fine. Love the Flat Tax and long record of conservative exec exp in Texas.

gracie

Perhaps after they are sold out someone will stream it.

Don’t think anyone could back out without pain at these prices.

libdestroyer

Gaffes:
——————–
Most of those are 10-second sound bytes twisted by the media. (surely Perry knows about poor media treatment)
If the media would have included the “alligators in the moat” part of his border fence quip, most people would have realized immediately that it was a joke.

Policies:
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You don’t need to be a governor to have a belief system. Herman Cain may not have political experience but he’s made his own way in this country through hard work! That’s all I need to know when I’m looking for an effective president.

Obama has the staff and advisers to do whatever he wants during his term. The issue is his HEART. He absolutely hates this country the way it was founded and his policies reflect that.

bonnman

Anybody but Obama but second to that is just about anyone but Romney. Romney couldn’t convince conservatives in 2008 and seeing his health care plan turn into Obamacare doesn’t help at all.

If you don’t like Obama’s policies then don’t vote for them just because Romney is peddling them.

ihateliberals

Karl rove and Bush did more damage to the Republican party than anyone since it’s creation. Karl Rove should be in jail for the spy deal but he managed to slither out of that one. Rove is the direct reason we still have Harry Reid in the Senate.

tngal

numbers are in from PPP.

surveyed from October 20th to 23rd.

No. Not gonna tell ya. Gonna make you work for it. Here’s the RCP link

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Ok, fine. Just one tease but that’s all! This quote from Public Policy Polling which did the survey.

“This now makes 4 weeks in a row of Herman Cain leading our polling,? said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. ?He?s getting pretty close to being something more than a flavor of the month.?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NVWI_1025.pdf

Enjoy cainiacs. Remember this is without the smoking man and rock em sock em robot ads and before the radio ads have hit.

reggie182

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/10/24/3469575/gingrich-cain-to-square-off-in.html#ixzz1bkC8ZNw6

Apparently the Tea Party would like to sponsor a L-D style debate between Mitt Romney & Rick Perry.

Both should of course accept such an invitation.

Common_Cents

And a Cain ad showing the video of perry and romney going negative on each other, is negative. LOL.

Cmon people, I think Perry would be a great CIC.

However:
This near worship of Perry is turning off outsiders to him, almost a reminder of obama cultism. The rest of the country wants Perry to step up and earn the nomination. We don’t want Texans to tell us to ignore his flaws and nominate him or we’re stupid as I’ve seen numerous times now on RS. This stuff is NOT doing Perry any good.

The early hype on Perry has hurt and hope he comes back. Everyone forgot:

underpromise, overdeliver.

Let’s carry on with equal scrutiny on all candidates.

Common_Cents

I say whisper sweet nothings to Iowans about ethanol, screwem. But Perry has come out strong against ethanol subsidies, have to figure that is a tough sell in IA.

Finrod

I find it amusing how some of the same people that were touting how well Perry was doing a month ago when he was at 30+ percent and leading by double digits are now saying ‘polls are useless this far out’ now that he’s fallen back into single digits.

Finrod

Some nice cherry-picking you’ve got going on there. By your logic, there’s no way Stacy would post something like this (which he did last week):

Ace Rips Herman Cain Pretty Good

It?s pretty brutal, and this is the kind of situation ? a blunder that exposes him to lacerating criticism from conservatives ? that Cain must avoid henceforth if he wants to be taken seriously as a contender.

Your depiction of the comments there are equally bogus. So which id of yours did Wombat ban there for being stupid?

Finrod

.. then it’s not worth explaining it to them.

retire05

When Stacy McCain starts floating “rumors” that are unsubstantiated that Team Perry is now going all “destroy Cain”, I have no use for that kind of pandering for one candidate.

And I have never been banned here. I use the same moniker I have always used. But hey, don’t let facts stand in your way.

Herman Cain needs to be ripped. He is getting ready to be interviewed by Michael Berry in Houston. But Berry just said there were some problems before the interview could be agreed upon. Cain’s people wanted to limit to Berry asking Cain to questions set out by them. Berry refused, and so Cain’s interview will not be as long as agreed to originally.

And if you think Stacy McCain is not in the tank for Cain, you are less intelligent than I originally thought.

gator_hoo

What do you believe about abortion? It should be illegal, but there should be a choice.

What do you believe about negotiating with terrorists? I don’t think we should negotiate with them unless we should.

What would you do about the border? I would put up an electric fence, except that I wouldn’t, but really I would.

Doesn’t 9-9-9 do X? You will have to go to my website to understand my plan, because I can’t explain it even while claiming how simple it is.

That is why he doesn’t seem to understand his own policies.

gator_hoo

That Gretchen Carlson is really out to bring Cain down.

gator_hoo

and somebody asked you a foreign policy question the next day, it wouldn’t even come up in your mind to say, “You know, I was speaking to John Bolton just yesterday.”

If that is not true of you, then you are different from about 99% of people out there.

rightwingmom52

on this one, but I can’t help but point out that Donald Trump is no John Bolton. While I would surely brag about having dinner with Bolton, I wouldn’t even accept the invitation from Trump (not that one is forthcoming). But that’s just me.

libdestroyer

she did it to Hank Williams Jr.

What I’m referring to is Cain appearances on left-leaning Piers Morgan, Ed Shultz, Rachel Maddow etc..

I know Cain wants publicity but that may hurt him in the long run.

rightwingmom52

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libdestroyer

you’re full of it!

Let’s deconstruct this shall we?

1.) “What do you believe about abortion? It should be illegal, but there should be a choice.”

Here he is discussing states’ rights. He states his personal beliefs (consistent to what he’s always believed) but acknowledges that it’s a state issue.

2.) “What do you believe about negotiating with terrorists? I don?t think we should negotiate with them unless we should.”

Here he is discussing the agreement between Israel and Palestine to trade prisoners. He said that he would make a decision based on the INFORMATION given him. He never said “negotiate” either (that was all you). What he said was that he wouldn’t rule out either scenario based on the FACTS of the situation.

2.) “What would you do about the border? I would put up an electric fence, except that I wouldn?t, but really I would.”

Again it was a joke. You left out the part about the moats filled with alligators. You also left out the punchline that if the illegal immigrants managed to get past those obstacles, they would be granted citizenship. HAR HAR HAR. A joke and nothing more.

3.) I’ll admit Cain has had to make constant adjustments to his plan. I don’t see that as a weakness. Whose plan is perfect the first time around?

Give the guy a break. He’s a conservative and you’ll have to choose between him and Obama one day

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

thx ‘mom

gator_hoo

I assumed that you were familiar enough with what Cain actually said and honest enough so that I could paraphrase his positions. I was wrong. Let’s go to what Cain actually said.

1) Abortion:

On John Stossel: “I don?t think Government should make that the decision.”

On Piers Morgan: ?It?s not the government?s role to make that decision.?

?I shouldn?t try to tell [someone considering an abortion] what decision to make.?

?The government shouldn?t be trying to tell people what they should do with respect to social decisions (ie, abortion).?

And then AFTER his “clarification” with the GOTCHA cast of Fox & Friends: “No, abortion should not be a part of the political discussion.”

I have no doubt that Cain, personally is pro-life. I have sincere doubts that he would govern that way. I think he is probably in the mold of a Mitt Daniels “trucer”

But his statements can in no way be interpreted as “it’s the state’s decision.” He has consistently said, “it is the family’s decision.”

2) He said he would be willing to trade all of the detainees in GITMO for an American hostage. There are NO facts that justify that situation. I think it is safe to assume that any trade of that sort would be the result of “negotiations.” Unless he was suggesting that if an American was taken hostage, he would free the GITMO detainees as a good will gesture.

3) He went on to say that he really is for the idea of an electric fence across the border. So he may have been joking about the sign and the moat, but he has reclaimed his idea of an electric fence. “It might be electrified. I’m not walking away from that. I just don’t want to offend anyone.”

4) One of the key attacks against 9-9-9 is that if you have a plan introducing a new tax, that plan darn well better be set in stone. Cain said basically “this plan is set in stone.”

Moreover, for a plan that he touts as simple, at the last debate he was unable to name any specifics of the plan outside of what 9-9-9 means. He kept referring people to his website. That suggests to me that he can’t explain his own plan.

Plus, I am having trouble seeing why it is assumed that Herman Cain is a three-point conservative. He doesn’t have a record to rely on. 9-9-9 with new tax streams, carveouts, and “empowerment zones” isn’t really conservative.

He has raised his own doubts about conservative social issues, as highlighted above.

And on foreign policy, he not only doesn’t know anything, he has shown he doesn’t WANT to know anything. He told David Brody, “I can’t name the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan” and an answer like that shows that that fact doesn’t bother him at all.

gator_hoo

The point would hold if I had used John McCain and Amnesty or Clinton and Stained Dresses

As Gamecock conceded, Trump is associated with the Birth Certificate issue; it would be natural for someone who just had dinner with Trump to mention that when they get a question about the birth certificate. That isn’t an endorsement of the other persons view.

RS

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