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Right Now It’s The Message

I got emailed from a few people tonight that I was rather harsh toward Governor Perry’s campaign on CNN tonight. I was.

When Rick Perry unveiled his economic plan, he spent the better part of two days talking about Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

Now, instead of moving back to the economic plan, we’ve moved on to talking about Rick Perry and debates.

Byron York makes a very persuasive case that Rick Perry is actually right on the debates. According to John King tonight on CNN, by the time we get to Iowa, there’ll have been 21 debates — more than either 2004 for the Democrats or 2008 for both the Democrats and Republicans.

Remember as well that the calendar is more compressed now than when those debates were set up.

But the Perry team should not have raised the issue right now. It makes him look weak. We know he sucks in the debates. We know he wants out of the debates. That is precisely why he should not have raised it himself or had his communications director, Ray Sullivan, raise it.

It makes us focus on Perry’s bad debate performances instead of finally, finally focusing on his economic plan and jobs plan.

The Perry campaign has a problem. It has nothing to do with bad debate performances. It has everything to do with a lack of message discipline. If they want to turn things around, they need to get on and stay on jobs.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    Perry could have avoided debates…in September and October.

    Now that he has performed historically poor in the previous debates, he can’t avoid all but a few of the future ones and have any hope of winning the nomination.

    I agree with Erick…strategically, the Perry campaign appears rudderless. They put out a good economic plan, and have ignored it for most of the week.

  • retire05

    Perry, when interviewed by the Parade reporter was just as dismissive as he should have been about the b.c.

    Perry was right. Obama is president. End of story. But YOU, and a number of talking heads wanted to make more out of a non-story to give you something to talk about. Perry also made quick mincemeat out of a reporter who tried to go there.

    And the only time that Perry even addressed the b.c. after he revealed his tax plan was to dismiss a stupid reporter who was attempting to lob a “gotcha” question.

    Can we have a little honesty here, please?

  • lastgopinillinois

    is going to be the one who wins in 2012.

    Immigration and foriegn policy, though intertwined with the economy and jobs will still take a backseat to JOBS in the minds of most Americans.

    Certainly all these other little issues like how to specifically handle border security, guardasil and 0′s birth certificate are really nothing but distractions.

    The candidates only damage themselves with the smaller issues as we have seen in the debates already, and they give the liberals more ammunition to create propaganda against them as well.

    JOBS should be the main message. That guy will win.

  • deniser55

    Of debates are just being used by the media for ratings and for those networks like MSNBC, the answers to the liberal questions are going to be used for Obama campaign ads. Chris Matthews is already discussing the answers given at their debate. He used the issues of homosexual soldier being booed at, People without health insurance dying on hospital room tables and a few others. Why do the republican’s have to constantly have to prove themselves as qualified to be president, but Barack Obama lied his way through the 2008 primaries and then stole it from Hillary by cheating in the caucuses, then lying through his teeth during the general election.

  • avagreen

    Great point, retire 05. ;)

    Why are so many wanting to make a “non-story” made in passing………. into something important.

    “geez” or something like that……..
    **losing patience**

  • texabama

    I was amazed that the take-away for the media was Obama’s birth certificate. There was so much other information in that interview, but of course, it put Perry in a favorable light so let’s turn this one statement 180 degrees to have a “concern”.

  • texabama

    The reality is that very view voters actually watch these debates. What they watch are the pundits analyzing a few “gotcha” moments in the week following the debate. These debates are used much like a sheepdog is used to herd the sheep.

  • Crash71234

    Perry has a great organization and a lot of money.
    Great.

  • westbrook348

    nt

  • politicalgal1

    he needs to sell the whole recipe for economic prosperity for this country. His Cut, Cap, and Grow plan got great reviews this week by respected conservative leaders and think tanks.

    Now, he needs to combine the power of his energy and jobs plan with his cut, cap and grow plan in all of his TV interviews and public appearances.

    Bruce Walker, in an article at The American Thinker, is the only one that really got into a substantative analysis of Perry’s energy and jobs plan. A few of his observations:
    * Vast federal oil and gas royalties, over time, equal $18 trillion–enough money to pay off the entire national debt without raising taxes.
    * Aggressive energy extraction policies create a lot of good-paying jobs.
    * Energy production, one of the most elemental forms of wealth-creation, enriches everyone involved.
    * Abundant national energy supplies would invigorate our nation’s industrial base by driving down a fundamental cost of production.
    * Lower gas prices and utility bills would put more money in the hands of ordinary Americans.
    * Driving down the global cost of energy would reduce the power of hostile foreign governments like Iran, Russia, and Venezuela.
    * Increased royalty revenue for cash-starved state governments.

    By the way, in a conference call with Team Perry tonight, they indicated they will be doing debates. They will be doing the Heritage/AEI one.

  • clintonformccain

    Need to figure out that the media and the blogosphere is full of insanity who will twist every breath he takes into a circus sideshow. There was absolutely nothing to be gained by Ray Sullivan speculating about debates. There is nothing to be gained by volunteering anything to the media or to bloggers. And, there is no requirement that the campaign answer whatever stupid questions the media comes up with. If it’s not that day’s message, don’t say it.

  • josephinevitale

    First, I was on a conference call with Perry’s campaign tonight, and he IS doing ALL the debates, so let’s get over it. It had nothing to do with him being “scared” but there are 18 more debates, and we all know that less people watch the debates than we think. And, that Perry’s likes to be on the ground and actually CAMPAIGN and meet people.

    Perry has never lost an election in his life, and he won’t lose this one, despite all the lies and smears. I have never been more sad, sick and disgusted in my life than the bizarro obsession people have with smearing Perry. I told his campaign people today that I hope he is flattered because every single person involved in this race from the left, the right, the media, froth at the mouth over him.

    Perry just unleashed a beautiful plan. Every single big conservative has praised it and left the silly $9.99 Pizza Deal in the dust. Not only that, but Perry is the ONLY one to come up with a brilliant energy plan? Why don’t all of the deranged nuts start focusing on what is GOOD FOR AMERICA? If people actually sat down, compared track records, experience, knowledge, plans, etc, then Perry would be the guy for EVERYONE. Hands down, he is the best we have. Texas is my home state, and I can tell you that I waited for this moment because we elected him three times and the next stop is the White House.

    For all of you Perry bashers, you are America’s biggest threat and enemy. The silly lies about Perry and illegals, Perry and the border, Perry and Islam…you have us Texas just dying about how ignorant these comments are. Keep it up…you are only getting us Romney, because that’s all Cain is…Romney’s stalking horse and best friend.

    I am sort of ashamed at Erick for posting this nonsense. Perry did NOT spend two days talking about birther nonsense. He was getting hounded by reporters and answered. Period. The rest of the time all of us were watching people like Forbes, Rush, Levin, Club For Growth, The Tax Center, Norquist, Rep. Ryan, you name it, praise Perry’s tax plan. At the end of the day, all of this pettiness is just going to destroy America. I will say it again for the impaired…Perry is the best we have, which is WHY Michael Reagan said he is the most “Reaganesque” of all the candidates, which he is. Please, Red State, stop this silliness with Perry. Do you not want your country to succeed and prosper, or is this about writing nonsense that gets a lot of hits? I don’t understand what you are doing to Perry. But at least we should tell the truth, shouldn’t we? Let’s retract the birther comments.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Actually, as of right now, there haven’t been any debates. I don’t know what these “nine people on a stage being asked many silly questions and questions designed to produce sound bites for the sponsoring networks’ talking head moderaters” are called, but they ought not be called debates.

    So far, only one true debate, in the classic sense, has been scheduled: the one sponsored by the Texas tea party group on Nov. 5 between Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich. And kudos to Herman and Newt for agreeing to a one-on-one, classic, true debate.

    I hope we will see several of the candidates challenging the others to step forward and take them on in one-on-one debates where the candidates themselves choose what questions to ask one another with the moderator acting merely as the emcee, time keeper and referee.

    Cain has the “star power” right now to challenge the others to classic debates — the others would turn him down at their peril. Indeed, I think we’d see them elbowing each other to get to the front of the line. Stream the debates over the net. Let the networks have the opportunity to bid on carrying them live.

    But let the candidates control the questions that get asked — what questions they believe are worthy of asking each particular adversary, and the answers they give to each adversary’s questions, will tell us more about the candidates than these silly “debates” we’ve had thus far, with “moderators” vying to turn themselves into media stars with some clever question or remark.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • claydog83

    I think this whole election cycle has gotten sad.. I believe Perry has gotten slammed by the media, including Fox news who’s leaning forward for Romney, and even this website is being wrapped in

    The debates have all but been a joke. Most folks get that, so Perry’s remarks are dead on with common sense. It offends media folks apparently, including Erickson.

    Hate to side with Palin fans, but what can you say.. Obama and his lefties have tainted the whole process. Why would anyone with any real sense enter this insanity??

  • center77

    Perry knew that the establishment would not cover him at all, and when they did they would do it in a negative light, this is going to happen regardless of what he does. Leading up to the last debate all I read was that Perry looked like he was sleeping, that he could not land a clean punch of Romney. He did both of these things in the last debate, and he did it well, to the point of rattling Romney. But after words, the same people who made them claims said Perry was to hostile, and was out of line. Its funny, because they will hit him no matter what. Cain got a rise out of saying stupid things, and getting attacked for it. Perry can just claim that the media has targeted him for a long time, and that everything they have said was because they are afraid he will really harm the establishment control over Washington. Thats what his plan does, but not for one second was the media going to give his plan a fair shake. By doing the things he did, the establishment did not attack his plan as heavy as they would have.

    There is a war going on in the Republican party, and the establishments best weapons happens to be Cain, because he is dividing the conservative vote, while at the same time doing everything he can to make sure it does not translate into votes in the primary. Conservatives are in the drivers seat, but they will lose again if they do not wake up and start paying attention to what the establishment is doing. They built Cain, they are trying to keep all others in the game as long as they can. They have the power, but we can take it from them, and shove our disdain down their collective throats, but we have to start pretty soon, or Cain will be our anti-Romney, and that guy will lose on purpose. Thats why we do not see his wife, that is why he is everywhere except where he needs to be.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    He has no business running for President. One of the purposes of the primary is to pick a candidate who has the political skills to prevail in the general election. If there is one thing we know about the general election, it will be nasty. They always are. The primary season is just a light workout by comparison to the bashing the nominees will get. So stop whining about criticism, and for goodness sakes stop saying stupid things like “you are America’s biggest threat.” Many of the people you are referring to are veterans, and most of the rest are devoted patriots. Do you really think we are a bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda? Do you really thing that overheated rhetoric like this helps your candidate?

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    That Perry is not a competent national campaigner. How is this Obama’s fault?

  • packeryman

    How can we put Rick Perry in a favorable light when the guy preforms so poorly in the debates, it a disgrace for Texas.He sure is not bringing any Independents to his side which he would need to beat Obama. He comes out with a horrible tax plan that would let those who wanted to drop out do so and stay in the existing tax system. Who ever heard of such insanity? The wealthy and corporations who have access to tax lawyers would opt out, revenues would go down and the middle class would be left holding the bag, Now the guy says he going to opt out of the debates(we really need a whiner who can’t get a second thought out after preforming poorly on the first question in the debates, go up against Obama). He looked like a deer in headlights on stage with a class act like Romney. Who are you kidding, yourself? The news media and people across the country are asking why doesn’t just get out now, he will never win a national election in 2012. He has way too much negative baggage in Texas that is yet to be vetted. The only real hope the GOP has is Romney, he can carry the Independents , some Dem’s who don’t like Obama, moderate Republicans, and some far right Republicans who can’t stand to let Obama win. Cain may be on top today but he is a one dog and pony show with his flawed 9-9-9 plan. Everyone under a $100,000 yr would pay more taxes, besides any plan to totally revise the tax system would require removing the income tax amendment and that would be no easy task. No candidate but Romney can carry the Independent vote because they want vote for bible thumpers or tea baggers or a candidate that is supported by the same.The GOP does have a choice if they want to beat Obama, ROMNEY.

  • gekster

    Why has he won every election he’s been in.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Thank you for posting this! 5555!
    As far as I am concerned, if there was anything bad about Perry, Karl Rove would have thrown it at Gov Perry last year when the Bushes supported KBH for TX Gov.
    I don’t think there is anything to smear him with. I don’t blame him for wanting to avoid the debates, they are boring and stupd and I can hardly watch them.

  • d_lamar

    Maybe you think that he can win over these voters:

    1. Those who believe in mandated health care, but only for Massachusetts.

    2. Those who believe that mandated health care should be mandated for the whole country.

    3. Those who are for gun control.

    4. Those who are against gun control.

    5. Those who believe in a woman’s right to an abortion.

    6. Those who are against abortions.

    7. Those who believe in man-made global warming.

    8. Those who don’t believe that humans are causing global warming.

    9. And most recently, those that don’t have an opinion about Ohio Gov. Kasich’s public employee union reforms.

    10. And those are in favor of the governor’s union reforms.

    Romney will get lots of votes, I’m sure.

  • gekster

    Go back to HuffPo, maroon.

  • omegamale

    Perry was handed this nomination on a silver platter, and yet he’s blown it. Repeatedly. Every single time. And he has no one to blame but himself. The field he’s competing in is incredibly weak, yet even second and third tier candidates are beating the snot out of him.

    If you’re striking out in TeeBall, what on Earth makes you think you’re ready for the Major Leagues?

    Despite all the fawning conservative media, PLENTY of money, and being Governor of the second largest state for over a decade, he’s falling flat on his face.

    At what point do you simply say this guy doesn’t have the political skills to beat Obama? Because I’m already there, and no amount of negative ads can change the fact that Perry is an awful candidate to run for President.

  • onemovoter

    Is it just by signing up for their emails and registering with Perry’s site?

  • wacowboy

    that this is not his doing.

    he was asked the birther question — he answered it and had a little fun, in the end said it was irrelevant and a non-issue.

    He asnwered a question from O’Reilly, which was taken out of context by the media (again). perhaps his spokesman should have said nothing.

    Perhaps he should just be like Herman Cain and answer every question by telling people to go to his website and see his jobs plan. It would keep him out of trouble. :)

  • aesthete

    Did all of the candidate ‘bots get together and vote this in as the word of the week?

    Anyways, it’s abject nonsense to suggest that “Perry bashers” are “America’s biggest threat and enemy”. Perry is a politician with flaws, and therefore aspects that are worthy of criticism. His comments on birtherism are a distraction and never should have been made. Erick shouldn’t apologize for pointing this out, or for giving Perry some pretty darned good advice for how to improve his thus-far terrible campaign. RedState is very sympathetic to Perry, and has many Perry supporters among its readership and board of editors. They don’t need to retract a single thing that they’ve put up about Perry on the front page.

  • Tbone

    Run along and worry about your boy Obama getting thrown out on his wimpy rear next November.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …noting that I haven’t viewed EE’s commentary via CNN.

    1. There is no question that everyone descended upon Rick…each for definable reasons related to self-interest…a phenomenon he facilitated by his hesitations during #2/#3 debates.

    2. There is no question that the key-issues [jobs/economy] are “made” for Rick, and his staff has apparently gone about the business of preparing position papers regarding his POTUS-Platform….enhanced by new national veterans.

    3. The only counseling Rick needs is to know when to complete his comment and not go a bit further. I learned this when a close friend was in Congress [Jon David Fox, 1994-1998 R-13, PA]; I had learned how to debate the Tobacoc Institute when in NYC @ Sloan-Kettering as a Medical Oncology Fellow [1977-1979]. I was taught to answer the question within 10 seconds DIRECTLY, then segue to what I wanted to discuss regardless of the query, and then end with a zinger that would be intended to confound the poison-purveyors.

    4. I posted extensively, elsewhere, so that my elaborative points need not be repeated.

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/27/the-horserace-for-october-27-2011/

    5. Here, Rick said this was “distractive,” but made the mistake of elaborating…and those who would capitalize on this process [notwithstanding support from The Donald] had a field-day. They WANTED to find something that could be invoked to upstage his tax-plan and, as noted supra, they found only this issue in the “Parade” piece [although some saved time to spoof the cover-photo].

    6. This is c/w the process of skewering Sarah with a “stupid” narrative…which is infesting all of the MSNBC shows [from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m.], and it must be ended ASAP.

    7. Here is how to do it:

    (a)–The discipline that must be placed upon Rick will liberate him to discuss all facets of “Fed Up!”… which has been thoroughly vetted.

    (b)–He can still be his forthright/smiling/authentic “self” in the process of skewering Mitt [and ignoring Herman]; if he continues to score against BHO in the process, he will be demonstrating he can go one-on-one with anyone.

    (c)****–The TEA ["Taxed Enough Already"] Party Movement must reactivate ASAP, lest all the 2010-gains be dashed via nomination of a POTUS-candidate who is flawed in MAJOR ways [chief among them "statism"].

    7. Memo to EE: Don’t let yourself be sucked-into participation with those who would destroy you/us/Rick. When queried about what transpired regarding Birther-ism, just note that Rick claims it’s a non-issue and REMAIN RESOLUTE, as we all know you can be!

    *

    {Addendum to EE: @ the RedState Gathering, I watched you being live-fed for a CNN interview, after which I dutifully reported to you my son’s rationalization for a Romney-monimation, namely, that he would be forced to sign Congressional legislation that would predictably be conservative, and that he would be best positioned to attract the Independents.}

    {I can answer my own question, simply by noting that he would not promise to DISMANTLE D.C. as would Rick [and as Reagan tried to do]. We need to nominate the best man for the job, and then hope that unifying behind him will help remind fly-over-USA that there is NO reason to reinforce BHO’s multiple blunders, philosophical and operational.}

    {Nominations to the SCOTUS would be more apt to be along the lines of a Souter than a Scalia, etc. We must, therefore, assume that he can “grow” on an electorate with which he directly communicates his ideas/ethics.}

    *

    The MSM/LSM has gotten what it has desired; eyes/ears are rapt, as people who have adopted favorites are predictably reacting to day-by-day events. Cain’s rise is “explained,” even as his fall is now predicted by the identical pundits; Newt is next in line. That’s why Rick must build upon his base; once accomplished, key-endorsements can supervene as the race narrows. Let’s get through January, and then staying-power should have allowed sufficient time for drop-outs to yield the anticipated 2-man race.

    No one else has the ability to mesh track-record and deep-philosophy. [For elaboration, note Guzzardi's comment on the "Horserace" site @ 6:38 p.m.]

    Time is Tight. Rick is The Man. We must remain resolute!

    http://www.saveardmorecoalition.org/node/5848/rick-perry-hes-guy

  • don12345

    Perry can’t even stay on message for 60 seconds. He completely ruined his moment when releasing an economic plan. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.
    Cain released the smoking ad and shows how serious he is. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.

    If we continue supporting these bad candidates it will make the Tea Party and Conservatives look like idiots. Where is Ronald Reagan when you need him.

  • don12345

    Perry can’t even stay on message for 60 seconds. He completely ruined his moment when releasing an economic plan. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.
    Cain released the smoking ad and shows how serious he is. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.

    If we continue supporting these bad candidates it will make the Tea Party and Conservatives look like idiots. Where is Ronald Reagan when you need him.

  • don12345

    Perry can’t even stay on message for 60 seconds. He completely ruined his moment when releasing an economic plan. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.
    Cain released the smoking ad and shows how serious he is. At this point, it’s obvious it’s not the campaign it’s the candidate.

    If we continue supporting these bad candidates it will make the Tea Party and Conservatives look like idiots. Where is Ronald Reagan when you need him.

  • davesinsanantonio

    It is time to stop this wishing for a resurrection of Reagan and elect a president who has solid conservative principles and will fight to turn this country around both politically and economically.
    Reagan is not that person, because American are not fond of zombies. So, stop looking backwards and start looking to the future!

  • davesinsanantonio

    Perry’s jobs record, his tax plan, his energy plan are hardly “striking out”.

    What “conservative media” is exactly “fawning” over him?

    Have a seat, take a deep breath, realize that the first caucus and primaries are still two months away. Let Perry actually campaign, meet and greet, give some speeches, etc. and see how he actually does in Iowa and the early primary state. He may surprise even you.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is how the MSM/LSM denigrated Perry for the recent discussion of attending future debates.

    NEVER did he or his campaign say he would not attend any debate, but the idea was morphed into the headline [on multiple platforms] that he was [simple declarative sentence] going to skip them..

    THEREFORE….

    FROM NOW ON, he must know that everything he says will be morphed accordingly. No jokes, no concurrence with sly queries, no assumptions.

    Potentially-incriminating sound-bites must be eschewed; everything must be distilled to essence.

    The L-D debate-format could allow for free-wheeling discussion [and, assuredly, quotable-quotes will be lifted from the Cain/Gingrich event of next week...after both are praised for their participation therein], but anything with which Rick participates MUST allow him to cite freely from his experience [and from "Fed Up!] when abiding with a relatively loose format.

  • bobguzzardi

    It is a mistake, I think, to react to complaints by MSM or to amplify petty horserace issues.

    Focus on the issues, Jobs, Energy, Flat Tax.

    MSM looks at serious discussion of issues as campaign ploys. They are not.

  • tricianc

    I admire you greatly Erick but it was you and other bloggers that kept up the birther distraction. Perry dismissed it quite early but you and others kept it up. Great job falling into the hands of the MSM.

    Now, you’re doing it with the debates. All because his team said he may miss some debates. You have no idea if he will miss any and if he does which ones and yet you persist. With the enormous number of debates until Iowa schedule, it wouldn’t be unrealistic to miss some of them. For every debate, it takes you off the campaign trail for at least a day or more and the clock is ticking. There are very few weeks until the primaries Determining priorities and managing time is actually an asset.

    One last thing that you may not have considered. Perhaps missing some debates are also a great campaign strategy for this fact:

    Who would benefit from the debate? I’m not speaking of performance. I’m talking about money and organization. Cain, Newt, Bachmann, Santorum have no money and no organization. So they HAVE to debate to get in the public eye. The problem is that it’s limited. While they are up there debating, Perry can be out where you should be. Talking to the voters.

    Erick, I met you at an American Majority session and this is exactly what was discussed at a breakout session. The most important thing is personal contact. Period.You can do all the debates and interviews you want but if you don’t reach out to the people personally and ask for their votes several times, you’ve most likely lost them.

    Also, perhaps you should mention and even update your article with that Team Rick Perry on their last conference call said they would be attending debates including the Heritage/AEI one.

    They may not attend all as there’s at least one a week and some weeks even more (taking them off the campaign trail) but they are not stupid enough to miss the crucial ones.

  • bobguzzardi

    well said. We can talk about what is wrong with Rick Perry or we can talk about what is right and there is much more that is right.

    There are no saints in Washington and Rick Perry will not be the first.

    Fed Up sets a good base line and the Flat Tax is a policy we can, actually, see being passed by Congress. Pure policy positions fail. Particularly, when they are novel and radical shifts.

    Governor Perry has more experience at campaigning and governing than all the commentators critiquing his every move.

  • bzip

    I agree with Erick on this one. All candidates seem to be getting off of message and Perry is no exception. I don’t understand why Perry didn’t stay on message but the media sure like to drive the conversations.

    As far as I am concern there are way too many debates and these candidates should start bowing out of them “selectively” and attend the ones the are best for them.

    And for the Cain folks, between his silly smoking ad and now he still trying to clarify the abortion flap – more that a week later;

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/28/cain-wades-into-abortion-controversy-again/

  • beach91

    I always appreciate your insightful comments. Perry will be fine and I am resolute in supporting him to my family and friends.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    i try not to be repetitive/predictable, but i also try to type what may not yet have been typed by others

    once an issue has been thought-through [e.g., having read/indexed "Fed Up!" and having then argued its contents with anyone who would dare to claim to be up to the challenge], it’s relatively easy to react to introduction of subsequent data

    this is true in medicine, politics…and life

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Rick needs to get up on TV in two places.

    1) National Ads on Fox News — his jobs plan in one Ad, his econ plan in another Ad.

    2) Same two Ads in Iowa, New Hampshire, SC, Florida, NV.

    Use some of that money now to boost yourself up in the polls.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because this is a vital concern NOW and we must fend-off all distractions

    RedState provides the venue and the critical audience [and, I hope, the eyeballs of the Perry Campaign]

    Believe it or not, i type selectively when compared with the out-takes!

    [AND, finally, if I type ANYTHING problematic, I INVITE a counter-attack.]

  • bzip

    The one thought I had about staying on message though – Isn’t the media just as guilt in this?

    Stop and think about it. Take any candidate, it doesn’t matter why do the pundits have to use the entire air time talking about something not relevant – aren’t they the ones ensure the candidate isn’t staying on message or at least partially guilty?

    Take a pundits airtime of lets say 30 minutes. Could they not devote 5 minutes to criticize the candidate and not being on message then move on to the message itself? It seems to me this is s two way street here and the media controls the message for the most part.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because …

    he was correct regarding the need to maintain focus on message, but…

    he should have explicitly noted that Rick had explicitly articulated all the “distractive” lingo.

  • celador2

    These debates have become the sole standard to rate and pick a nominee this year. Perry wants to seize back control of the campaign to win trust and support of voters. Instead he gets zapped and called weak by RS and other blogs or media over not worshipping at the alter of TV debates.

    Erik has undermined the fresh and independent plan to skip debates that do Perry and voters no good and attack Perry for not being on the debate- is- all bandwagon.

    With a group think as powerful as the media debate culture as all important a strong candidate’s policies and contact with voters is moved to background not only as unimporant but irrelavant.

    Perry needs more supporters to downplay the importance of TV appearances. Perry should make speepches and hold panels and invite CNN and all media to cover the events on Perry’s terms.

    Erik has a bias of course for more appearances as the most valid arena. But, it risky for any Republican to appear on TV debates as most hosts are dedicated to their defeat. Hosts call the shots.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and, because it isn’t, Rick must focus like a laser-beam on jobs/jobs/jobs by discussing constitutionally-justified and Texas-verified actions that are inevitably destined to uplift the economy/America/optimism.

    BHO won’t be able to match this topic/methodology/lingo, and it befits all of the authenticity he has consistently exuded…and Mitt won’t be able to mirror the content/delivery/consistency inherent in his messaging.

    Cain should best be ignored, for others will apply appropriate levels of reality-testing, and the others [each in his/her own way] can be invited to join the anti-Mitt fray [and then to endorse Rick after dropping-out].

  • jlsankot

    Without jobs and a stable economy, what does the rest matter?

  • celador2

    To make it today in politics one need flip flop and hope no one notices or cares beyond the moment one makes a statement.

    Personal principles are only held in passing and in relationship to calculating a vote here or there.

    And this man Flip flop Romney leads the field of Republican nominees in the year of a revived conservative base?

    Rudy Guiliani also was in top tier of polls until the voteing began 2008.

  • gunsrus

    not someone who can pander to liberals and still sleep at night.

  • Vaughn Harold

    Sorry, but until he proves he can stand in the arena amoungst his peers there is no way, no how, that he can win the nomination.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    What should Rick do, in response to this announcement?

    http://www.politico.com/morningscore/

    ROMNEY TO BLAST PERRY ON IMMIGRATION?PREVIEW: The Romney camp knows that continuing to hit Perry?s Texas immigration record is a real winner for them. So as Perry returns, they plan to ratchet up criticisms. A release going out later highlights Boston?s favorite 60% statistic: ?Over the past decade, the number of illegal immigrants in Texas is estimated to have grown by 60%,? spokesman Ryan Williams says in a forthcoming release, shared exclusively with Score. ?Governor Perry should explain to the people of New Hampshire why he thinks their opposition to his liberal immigration policies means they ?don?t have a heart.??

    *

    “Romney is the flip-flopper [play tape of his "amnesty" advocacy]. And, with regard to sheer numbers, has anyone looked at a map of the United States lately? Generally, to get to Massachusetts, people need to drive through Texas. I have tremendous real-life experience dealing aggressively with this issue, addressed in ways that fellow-Texans like. Throughout, I also have discussed how the Federal Government has failed to secure the 1225-mile Texas-Mexico border. Because Mitt knows I discounted the “heartless” quote, his constant reference to it only impugns the credibility and ethics of his campaign.”

    That’s the long-version, consuming approximately a minute to articulate.

    The short-version simply repeats the positive/assertive comments and moves on to Rick’s discussion of this issue in “Fed Up!” [pp. 116-125].

    {am i hired?}

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The rebooted campaign will roll-out tonight in Manchester, NH and become manifest during the half-hour he spends with Chris Wallace in Texas [on Sunday].

    Hope springs eternal.

  • gekster

    and it is still dead.

  • avagreen

    The lies being put out by Romney (and his supporters) and Cain (and his supporters) must be exposed.

    If a person can’t fight with truth on their side and have to use smears/lies to win, why would anyone want them in the WH?

    We’ve already got one like that in the WH.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Rick must NOT deviate from the specificity/generality of the above script!

    *

    “Governor, you are accusing Mr. Romney of not being credible or ethical; is that c/w Reagan’s 11th Amendment?”

    “I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I document everything I assert with facts. Read my book and my website for further information.”

    “Governor, aren’t you attacking a fellow-Republican?”

    “Let the information I provided you speak for itself.”

    “Governor, please, answer the question, aren’t you being divisive?”

    “I stick with the truth. Go ask Mitt to explain-away his support for amnesty…and how he has flip-flopped on this position [and others, despite the fact that he's been doing this only during the past few years].”

    “Governor,I’m not asking about Mitt, I’m asking about you.”

    “Go ask Mitt to explain why he hasn’t documented what he said he did the first time he hired an illegal; he released a letter when he fired the company a year hence, but where is the memo that shows he warned them, as he repeatedly asserts he did?”

    “Governor, you are diverting attention from your own policies.”

    “No, I’m not. I’m providing you a homework assignment that, sadly, you haven’t pursued yourself. And, furthermore, if he indeed warned the company after the first infraction, what did he do to monitor their compliance with his alleged-admonition?”

    “Governor, this is a side-show.”

    “No, it isn’t, because it directly impacts how he would govern. Remember, Reagan said “Trust, but Verify!” What did Mitt do to show he had warned the wrongdoers under his administrative control, and what did he do to ensure they complied with what he claims they promised? These are legitimate concerns when choosing a POTUS.”

    “Governor, please answer the question. Why don’t you support a physical fence?”

    “Because it is unworkable, knowing what I know about the border. We need to apply smart technology and enforce it with boots on the ground. This is how I would attack all national security concerns. One does not simply toss money at problems. One strategizes to ensure the most cost-effective approach is applied definitively.”

  • libdestroyer

    and perry blows his chance every time he gets one…

  • tommyzax

    (1) Perry DOES suck at debating on the national stage. Talk about having to put out disinformation to fight information!

    (2) His plan is OK, but it’s late to the game, as was he. He came in with a nice suit and a pleasant smile, and his is now a diaper and a frightening scowl. Spin it however you like, the guy scares me.

    (3) I don’t think he’s a liar, but he sure does appear to be searching for ways to weasel while still telling the truth. The fact that he does it openly is charming. The fact that he does it at all is off-putting.

    (4) The tax plan itself does nothing to remove the IRS. Get a clue. The train is already left the station.

    (5) The border is a mess. Threats to secede have not progressed to any next level. Rhetoric notwithstanding, I can’t tell if Perry is inept on this or just a blowhard.

    (6) Gardisil. That is the back-breaker, and will be used incessantly against him. AD: “He FORCED young girls to be vaccinated against their will just so they might have unprotected sex without risk of getting cancer. Nice…” And that’s just the DEMOCRAT side!

  • libdestroyer

    “For all of you Perry bashers, you are America?s biggest threat and enemy.”

    The biggest threat to America is people who choose to remain ignorant of a politician. That’s you my friend.

  • bzip

    Excuse me but you are so wrong you need to be wack over the head: 6) “FORCED” – please explain to be how anyone could be “forced” when there was a “opt-out”? Nobody could be forced, period. In addition, Perry himself signed and rescinded his own orders nobody was forced! Stop listen to the hate filled Bachmann and MM types.

    I can tell you have fallen for all the non-sense spewed out but the left wing nuts

  • gekster

    How many girls got the vacination.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …but reference to “Fed Up!” is hardly idle; it is replete with details that have yet to be widely disseminated…and which Rick undoubtedly could rattle-off!

    Bullet-point topics include [reshuffling content, a bit]:

    Emphasize repeatedly support for LEGAL immigration [administered by D.C.]
    Texans uniquely aware of need to address comprehensive issue [experientially]
    Above-all, compliance with current law must be ensured [including employers]
    Sub-points need clarity/validation [e-verify, Arizona-approach, etc.]
    Need for Feds to control drug-cartel violence [attack BHO on "F&F"]
    Need for Feds to uphold law [SCAAP-$, a "most basic constitutional duty"]
    Need for Feds to deputize locals [and to defund sanctuary-cities]
    Need for Feds to deport already-ID’ed 600K lawbreakers [even if they have not committed felonies]
    Implications regarding national security [al qaeda, etc., recently in-the-news]
    Reagan in ’86 didn’t solve problem because of lax enforcement and job-magnet for illegals/undocumenteds [can't make same mistake twice]
    Problem’s profundity illustrated by facts such as “10% of Mexican-born people live in America” [ref: Pew]
    Texan-budget stretched by SCOTUS-mandated provision of state-services [which FAR outweigh any potential contribution to economy, for example, by SS-withholding, noting that $ is routinely trans-shipped back-home]
    {*This last point is reminiscent of how Krauthammer nailed Paul on FNC”}

    These dozen-points were easily gleaned from his succinct text…and could easily be amplified by awareness of day-to-day gubernatorial activities.

  • gekster

    or are you just going to go around and bash Perry and his supporters.
    Tribbles are cute and fury, but have no brains.

  • bzip

    I agree with you. Its the media, the pundits that drive the story and message.

    The media should stop spending some much time on the non-issue problems (really a BC is a big issue problem) and more time on the actually issues. It’s really silly just blaming the candidate, the media holds the control button for how much time they spend on what.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    1. Perry needs to improve, and demonstrated that he can; debate with a strict time-clock is difficult but do-able [as per multiple prior postings]. Let’s try to clean-up our lingo, eh?

    2. Perry entered late, but he’s methodically catching-up [releasing policies, delivering speeches, now appearing more on FNC]. No one else has proffered the “I’m scared” line, suggesting an individual misperception [real or fanciful] is afoot.

    3. Perry doesn’t know how to lie; the “truthometer” folk often apply personal bias, such as when they incompletely dissected his attack on Mitt’s having hired illegals [as eludicated elsewhere on this page]. It is gratifying that you find anything he has done to be “charming.”

    4. Perry’s tax-plan provides an incremental and definitive approach to simplifying the IRS-code; people can become inured with the flat-tax concept and then the process can be reformulated.

    5. Perry never threatened to secede, and your repetition of this fiction undermines your past/present/future credibility [as does your blithe and disrespectful word-choice]. Everything he argues is rooted in Federalism,, as manifest in the 10th Amendment [and, to a lesser degree, in the 9th].

    6. Perry acknowledged over-reach, and no pattern of executive orders [of this ilk] has been unearthed during subsequent months. [I filed a report as a medical expert on this issue, last month, and Michele's "mental retardation" accusation has no support in the medical literature.] Get over it, will ya?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …if we are to prevail.

    Rick can do it, for he has done it and has the support system [particularly his wife] to stay-the course.

    When I advocate, it is routinely based on a binary decision [liking a candidate AND disliking the others]; for reasons aforementioned, Rick fits-the-bill.

  • avagreen

    I’m amazed that these same false talking points are still considered valid, considering how many times they’ve been refuted.

    Again………lies & smears don’t speak highly of the person and the candidate they are pushing.

  • Vaughn Harold

    No need to waste our time and money on someone that can’t hold their own in a debate.

  • Vaughn Harold

    n/t

  • bzip

    I am most likely beating a dead horse, I am just hoping that critics and pundits in the media may get some drift of this:

    The candidates should take responsibility of letting out potential distractions, straying away from their message.

    The media should take full responsibility for how much time they spend on these distractions. Do they spend a entire day or week on foolish non-sense instead of talking about the issues and message or do they spend 5 minutes?

    Isn’t it clear the media drives the message and controls it.

    If the distraction is something that seriously questions the candidates position, character yes but to spend day(s) on silly non-sense I totally blame the media.

  • gekster

    and it appears it’s the only thing you’ve got.

    Instead of beating this dead horse, why don’t you sing the praises of the slick talking rino you prefer.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Rick can recognize this dynamic [from experience, remote and refreshed] and pivot accordingly; he wins on the key-issues and can easily explain-away the others.

  • tommyfrisco

    why are we having to give advice to Rick Perry? He’s been in politics for 25 years. I guess it’s because it’s hard to tell from his debate performances and the mistakes he has made that he is not as new to politics as Herman Cain. As for the bashing, he should have expected to get the same treatment that Palin has been receiving because he is a similar threat. He should have been better prepared to deal with it. That is not our fault.

    I think in this case we can blame the messenger, not the critics of the message.

    Our best hope is that no one, except us political junkies, has been paying much attention these last couple of months and they missed Perry’s introduction to the national stage. I do think he will perform better, I hope it’s not too late.

  • Vaughn Harold

    because I want Perry to succeed.

  • 4suramcan

    you are so right. And Erik E. Have you been bought off?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    1. To state explicitly a consensus perspective, drawing upon all quotes on RedState as a priority [and rectifying pseudo-conflict when necessary].

    2. To subject these views/articulations to quality-critique, all in the public-eye, to ensure that Rick’s advocates have viewed [and have had an opportunity to assess] these observations/suggestions.

  • 4suramcan

    YES, YES, YES

  • Vaughn Harold

    that doesn’t support Perry the greatest threst to America. This kind of post didn’t used to be tolerated at Redstate.

    No, the greatest threat to America is 4 more years of Obama, and currently Perry hasn’t convinced voters that he’s the guy to bit him.

    Welcome to the facts and to reality, Perry Sniper.

  • donrsherwood

    Erick,

    Your tendency to tear down our candidates is simply aiding the enemy!

    We don’t need to do the Democrat’s job for them – and you are.

    STOP IT!!!!!

  • gunslingr45

    your a liberal en? thats ALL Mitt is. And you may call me a “Teabagger” I am very proud of that name. May I call you a liberal booger?

    “For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a taste the protected will never know” IN GOD WE TRUST

  • geoph

    From zero to sixty in 3 days, or rather – it’s the other way around.

    Perry had it all for the taking.
    Conservative Texan; History on jobs; Political machine in place; willing donors….
    When you are given a gift, you should be grateful, respectful and thankful for the gesture. You should NOT act as if it is your due.
    We already have a narcissistic President who believes he is his god’s gift to the world, we don’t need another.

    All Perry managed to do in his first week of the race was to undo two campaigns that had momentum: his own and Bachmann’s. I don’t mind his so much, but I would have liked to have heard more about hers.

  • acat

    Even if it’s, you know, Perry.

    Mew

  • paulplantowin

    Several of you are rapidly approaching a point where this forum becomes the All Perry, All Day – No Dissent Allowed Zone!
    If you succeed in your ‘apparent’ goal of making this a Perry fan club and call people who have legit concerns names like ‘the real enemies’ you will be left with no one to talk to but each other.
    I can see that some attack Perry because they prefer another, but I can also see that some of you more extreme Perry supporters attack others with similar motives (or so it looks).
    All I’m saying is if you want to keep non-Perry people around – people who like me are still trying to decide on a candidate, you might want to tone it back some.
    Truly, no disrespect meant, but go back and skim these comments from the perspective of an honest lurker – and ask if this is likely to help or hurt.

  • 4suramcan

    Me Perry has given us a plan that will work for America and get us away from establishment, sold out republicans who care nothing for the American people. He seems to be a “good” man with a common sense approach. Something sadly missing in politics these days.

  • acat

    (happy halloween)

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is reflected in such postings as this:

    GEORGE WILL SLAMS MITT – Sunday’s column : “Romney, supposedly the Republican most electable next November, is a recidivist reviser of his principles who is not only becoming less electable, he might damage GOP chances of capturing the Senate: Republican successes down the ticket will depend on the energies of the tea party and other conservatives, who will be deflated by a nominee whose blurry profile in caution communicates only calculated trimming. Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis, a technocratic Massachusetts governor who takes his bearings from ‘data’ … Has conservatism come so far, surmounting so many obstacles, to settle, at a moment of economic crisis, for THIS?”

    http://www.politico.com/playbook/

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    i sat 10 feet away from George when Mitt announced @ the Red State Gathering

  • acat

    and I do see that you reference the difference between attacks and honest questions, I gotta say that it’s been a while since I’ve seen any of the latter.

    Mew

  • Vaughn Harold

    I’m not going to waste it like I did on Fred.

  • Vaughn Harold

    no text

  • avagreen

    Nothing wrong with posting facts, including the good and bad, but it must be facts.

    I’ve seen the same things that you’re talking about being done by the other candidates’ proponents.

    So, are you just making your comments to Perry supporters?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    “No Dissent Allowed Zone!” is mischaracterization.

    I daresay critique is aggressively invited.

    [we'll chew-it-up and spit-it-out, be forewarned!]

  • 4suramcan

    right again, Doc. Keep up the good work, Mr Sklaroff. You’re needed.

  • edintexas

    Posting twice is bad enough. Not being willing to wait a while for the post to show up, so you post the same message 3 times, is really over the top.

  • acat

    When a leading light of the establishment like bluejean-mistrusting George Will says Romney stinks as a candidate…

    Just the prescription for this cat, Doc. Thanks!

    Mew

  • lucasblack

    Perry only wants less debates because he sucks at them.

  • edintexas

    There have been debates?

  • gekster

    If you try to post the same thing in the same thread, it comes back as an error.
    I seen one comment that posted about 15 times once.
    For some reason it happens now and then.
    I’m sure you have seen it before, as you have been here awhile.
    Now if you change so much as a punctuation mark, it will not see it as a duplicat.
    Look for something like that first.
    (just posting info, and nothing is to be inferred)

  • tommyfrisco

    Have you already established a method or procedure for achieving these objectives? In the existing environment, most posts and articles raise a number of questions and issues which result in a vast array of comments.

    It would be more effective to create an area on Red State where we could go to provide our input on specific issues. It would be exciting to think that we might truly be able to help Perry’s campaign.

    The problem would be in how do you keep the trolls from making this effort successful. Maybe the moderators could review previous posts to determine who the true Perry supporters are and send them a special login password.

  • paulplantowin

    I tried hard to word my comment carefully.
    I watched the debates, follow blogs like this one, watch interviews etc.
    I noted Newt in an early debate give a pretty good object lesson on handling ‘gotcha’ questions. He stays calm, and on point IMO
    I’ve seen Herman get in trouble for being too quick to try to answer questions with hidden traps.
    I have one comment, and one question re: Perry.

    Comment – from what I’ve seen he has some good ideas that would go a long way toward helping America turn some things around
    point – I’m open to his ideas, I like him, Cain, and Newt better than the others.

    Question – Doesn’t Perry have another job after he comes up with a plan, namely the job of selling both himself and the plan to the voters?

    The plan is good – the selling job? Not so much.
    That is a real concern for me – not just beating dead animals.
    With all respect for you more experienced people, he just ain’t succeeding in selling me – so far.
    I’m not done hoping he’ll improve – but he needs to tighten up IMO

  • lucasblack

    Actually, the ratings for the GOP debates have been quite high. Rick Perry has just not been able to take advantage of the free media the way candidates like Gingrich and Cain have to rise n the polls. Mostly because he’s a crappy debater.

  • lucasblack

    Yea his ‘great’ organization is sure doing a great job for him, aren’t they? In hindsight, Newt was lucky those people bailed on him.

  • lucasblack

    I agree, but how did they not know this in the first place. People have described modern campaigns as ‘the freak show’ for a reason. If you talk about Obama’s birth certificate, it’s going to get picked up. So you simply don’t talk about it. Ken Buck understood that last year, which is why he complained about people asking him about the birth certificate in public. How undisciplined is Perry that he doesn’t understand this? And then doubled down on it?

  • lucasblack

    Perry is famous for playing hardball, so why complain now that people are playing hardball with him? Do you think Obama and his crew are going to be nice to him? Take a breath, really. You sound like that ‘Leave Brittany Alone!’ guy on Youtube.

  • izoneguy

    My Dad got involved in politics in the 70′s. He was a precinct chair for a few years. I think he had higher aspirations, but it was not to be.
    You see, when he spoke one on one he was brilliant.
    He could even talk to small groups, but when he spoke in front of larger
    crowds it was very painful to watch. I use to go to some of his meetings as
    a high school student.

    My Dad would get up in front of a crowd and become a bumbling idiot.
    He did not look nervous but his throat would go dry and he would have to
    take a drink of water every other sentence. Eventually he would start coughing to the point where he could not go on. I saw this happen about 3 or 4 times.
    After that he became less interested in going to meetings or being in the political scene. But he was brilliant. I urged him to find other people to work with and use his talents behind the scenes but he was not interested in that either. He went into other lines of work and became a workalcoholic loner.
    Kinda sad.

    I think Perry will find his footing. But it would be sad to elect another President because they talk a good talk.

  • gekster

    Just what does that mean.
    Put it into context.

  • paulplantowin

    No – I am sincerely seeking the best candidate, and do not like any cheap shots by any fans. They do not help me try to figure this thing out.
    PS – I’m retired but energetic and will work hard for whoever ends up with the nod.
    I’m close to hating Obama and the Democrats, and am pretty disgusted with non-leaders like Boehner, professional politicians are a huge problem IMO
    The last is probably why I like Cain – but my main concern is defeating Obama’s agenda – and Romney seems too liberal to me.
    But if Perry, Cain, or Newt could get the nomination I’d feel better IF THEY CAN THEN BEAT OBAMA.
    I want as conservative an Obama beater as we can get. My concern is NOT to attack – but to pick the one I think is most able to beat Obama, perferably not Romney.

  • acat

    See, this here’s a conversation.

    I have a couple about Gingrich. First, he’s shown himself, in the past, to be too clever for his own good… or for the good of “main street conservatives”. I don’t dislike the guy, but I don’t trust him.

    Second, there’s his “baggage”. True, a lot of it has been shown to be junk, but .. the image lingers.

    Third, as streiff has brought up, Newt isn’t great at working a room. There’s perhaps too much of Herr Professor Gingrich to his mien and not enough charm to make it appealing. He’s great at debate and does okay in round table discussions, but to this cat his appeal is a further symptom of the overvaluation of the “debates”.

    As you can see, this directly leads to the reason I don’t count Perry out yet. Perry is not nearly as good in debates as Gingrich, but his record is far superior, and if there were dirt the Bushies in Texas would have used it by now so I’m reasonably certain he’s “clean”.

    I won’t deny that I lean Perry at this point.

    Perry’s performances in the first couple debates were atrociously bad (although I will point out that back surgery is no picnic) but he’s steadily improved, and his performance at CNN, getting under Romney’s skin, gives me hope that the Dems don’t try to bait-and-switch, meaning Perry would get to debate Obama.

    His campaign messaging has likewise been all over the place, but I’m not sure whether that’s a distraction or a deliberate scattergun approach. In one week, he’s successfully stolen the thunder of Cain’s 9-9-9, zinged Obama on the birth certificate issue without going IMO too far, and pointed out the overvaluation of “debates”.

    This is clearly not the clean, one-thought-at-a-time messaging we’re used to, but I don’t see it as problematic this early. I suspect that it’s going to look just fine in the rear-view, even though it seems messy right now.

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    for you are carrying-on his legacy here

  • acat

    This puts it in perspective?

    Mew

  • carolynr

    Stop…Erick…you are putting someone down before they have chance to say anything. Go see my post on Letterman…do you want to be part of this crowd. As far as Byron York is concerned…did he like Perry before he announced. NO. So, of course his advice is to stay out of the debates. Perry will debate. However, Erick…better start reporting on gotcha questions and hidden agendas by the press and how they are so biased when it comes to candidates.

    If Romney is the candidate…I will not go to the polls…I will not contribute to the GOP, state and local and I’m done. I’ve never done this in my life…but I won’t elect Obama Lite and I won’t elect someone that is not ready for prime time, i.e., Cain.

  • gekster

    I had to clean my monitor and keyboard anyway.
    Good thing I ws drinking coffee and wasn’t eating breakfast with white wine.
    That would be stickier.
    LOL

  • acat

    These Westminster Candidate Club candidate shows have been highly overvalued by the media, who profit from them.

    Kudos indeed to Herman and Newt for deciding to do real debates.

    Mew

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    He was unapproachable in Charleston, but the fact he’d even attended was pivotal.

    EE said, I believe, that there were 100+ media-types present; he sat in the middle-section whereas the rest of us lined the sides [and the walls].

    Let’s read the entire column on Sunday [and listen to the discussion on ABC], however, before we allow ourselves to get too excited…

  • westcoastpatriette

    If we could create an award for The Most Faithful Defender of Perry & Debunker of Lies About Perry, you would win it hands down.

    Thanks.

  • papabear

    Well Said!!!!

  • gekster

    You are too kind.
    I did the same with Palin, Bachmann,
    and anyone else who gets unrightfully dissed.
    The only one I have problem with is Romney, because most of it is true.
    But I did debunk someone who wrongfully claimed that he would let his religeon get in the way of his politics. He doesn’t.
    I just want the truth, good or bad.

  • satchman3

    Romney’s snide comment about Rick having a tough couple of debates has really steered the narrative against Perry in my opinion. It really was a pretty clever tactic by Romney and Perry didn’t even bother to challenge it – big mistake.

  • carolynr

    During that interchange…the moderator..satchman did not allow it….bias…bias…bias.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    nt

  • bzip

    Interesting, it is clear tha5t Team Perry reads Redstate (I didn’t doubt it though):

    From Team Perry’s e-mail this morning:
    “Red State ? ?Why Governor Perry is still likely to be nominated.?: Numerous preemptive obituaries are being written for Governor Rick Perry?s campaign. These efforts are premature because they fail to understand and appreciate the fickle winds of political fortune. (Full Article)”

    Which points to;
    http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2011/10/27/why-governor-perry-is-still-likely-to-be-nominated/?utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsOctober28

  • retire05

    I guess you think that Romney’s anger at being outed for hiring illegals was a stellar moment for him?

    Yeah, Perry is not good at debates. But I am not looking for a captain for my debate team. I am looking for a person who can lead us out of these dark days that Obama has made worse. Romney ain’t that guy. He’s just another John Kerry but with an (R) behind his name.

  • acat

    The value of a thing is proportional to its’ scarcity.

    When dog shows masquerading as debates become commonplace, they reduce the usefulness of word, but increase the value of the actual event. (reiterates kudos to Herman and Newt.

    Mew

  • Scope

    It sounds like the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. I appreciate all that you are doing, sharing good information, and making the case for the best candidate, by our standards anyway.

    Thing of it is with Perry, he can give some really great speeches, in front of large crowds, with all the press in attendance. He is great in townhalls. He has been terrific with the TV interviews he has done. It’s not that he can’t speak in front of a crowd. As Governor for 10 years Perry has given tons of speeches, and has had to deal with the press in Texas. The prayer rally he spoke at was in front of 30,000 people. He is not afraid of crowds, he is not afraid of the press. He is not off message in the slightest when speaking about particular policy, such as his foreign policy speech at a Veterans affair. He was not off message when he talked about his tax plan in PA. He was not off message when he spoke in front of the Values Voters summit. There are many many examples of his speaking abilities, and staying on message, everywhere he has spoken, except on the debate stage.

    How do you even prepare for something like Bachmann’s charges and accusations screeched at him, even after he stood on that stage and said he was wrong in the way he handled the Gardasil issue. She was not about to let that go until she ended up making herself look like a fool. How do you prepare for a frontal attack from Santorum showing every bit of anger, and not allowing him to even answer the question, with Santorum running his mouth off, and no one stopping him for his rude interruptions.

    I am in full agreement with Perry skipping some of the debates. He, and his spokesperson never said that he was not doing any more debates. The media has turned it into the big story that he is backing away from all the debates, just to slam him yet again. How much has that same media even covered his tax plan, yet all you hear almost 24/7 is 999, 999, 999. By the latest polling Perry’s flat tax plan is much more popular than Cain’s Fair Tax plan, or whatever it is, and by wide margins. On Fox, Cavuto who is supposed to be the financial host had freaking Ron Paul on the day of Perry’s tax roll out. Cavuto has had Ron Paul on so many times it is sickening. Why? The leftist networks sure aren’t giving him face time, video time, or aren’t covering his speeches or townhalls. This morning CNN covered a portion of Cain’s townhall speech, but with Perry, crickets. Then some have the nerve to blame Perry because he hasn’t been on TV, being interviewed enough.

    Perry has not been perfect by any means, but the media is once again successfully creating the persona and impression of Perry that they want projected. He’s just a dumb cowboy from Texas. Sickening to see EE join in with the leftist media creation of how they want Perry to be viewed. And then we scream about eating our own, and allowing the media to pick our candidate. I would advise EE to stay on his message, and not get sucked into the leftists tactics, such as he did last night on CNN, for all the nation to see.

  • bzip

    To me that made Romney look petty, Romney attacking Perry on a personal issue rather than a policy issue – sorry but I don’t see how that makes Romney look good.

  • satchman3

    Perry may be a little subpar at debating but I think for some reason it’s really driving the discussion and in some ways eclipsing his agenda. He’s a tough guy and can and does make some good points.

    I think it’s a mistake for his supporters (I’ll admit I think his tax plan is a big DOA panderbear so he’s not my fave) to accept the notion that he doesn’t debate well–he’s made some strong points. Look at how Ryan Larsen does apologetics for Romney.

    And yes, I do think Romney made the right move in aggressively denying hiring illegals.

    I’m being a litlte jaded in discussing strategy in the absence of substance but I think the strategy is poor. Perry is definitely someone I could get behind if he would improve his game.

  • Scope

    So now we have a voter giving kudos to someone for throwing the best barb. That is exactly why the networks want more of these media created side shows at the circus. It apparently is working with satchman. And this is the kind of person that is going to help to choose our next president.

  • paulplantowin

    your ‘illustrations’ are extremely inventive – I’m glad you have a sense of humor.
    I accept your superior experience in these things –
    I do hope Perry can regain some of his lost momentum – if you folks say it’s still early (nearly all pros seems to agree) I’m content to watch it plat out.
    I must admit I get concerned when (to my eyes) I see Perry flame out.
    He came out strong – and I’m new to following this closely this early (never been this worried about my country since Clinton) – so when he nose dived I started looking elsewhere.
    I know Newt’s failings – I only include him because I know he put a lot of work into a lot of issues. I really don’t think he can win it all.
    Cain is still attracting many non-pros – like me.
    Bottom line – I accept your assessment that it is still early – and that Perry can still pull this out.
    I’ll put one thought out there for you Perry hardliners – if he makes a comeback it will be a HUGE point in his favor for me, and go a long way toward persuading me he is for real.

  • bzip
  • joayn

    and rely on the talking points sent by the candidates or groups that support their candidate.

    I received an email from Townhall Spotlight featuring a group called Americans for Herman Cain, a Project of the 9-9-9 fund, headed by campaign director Jordan Gehrke of Americans for Cain. Below is the section about Perry:

    “We were told Rick Perry was the “Tea Party” alternative to Mitt Romney, until we found out he mandated 12-year-old girls receive a vaccine for HPV without their parents’ permission, opposed building a fence along America’s southern border, and supported free college tuition for illegal aliens.”

    This kind of distortion of the truth hurts no one but Herman Cain. Since I couldn’t find any contact source for the group (which I thought was weird), I did send an email to Townhall regarding the blatent dishonesty of the above statements, and that I would no longer subscribe to Townhall.

    These groups depend on lazy people like tommyzax to perpetuate twisted facts and outright lies.

  • circlegranch

    It’s interesting to close out the week and recap the differing attacks. Whether its been the media-created ‘birther’ issue, the suggestion that Gov. Perry may not attend all the remaining debates or his poll numbers, the fact remains, he’s still the lead story on just about every GOP primary race story. As much as Fox and some others want to count him out, they sure spend alot of time talking about him.

    I’ve done some research and want to remind readers here that on the immigration issue, the attacks on Huckabee in ’08 (Arkansas offers instate tuition also) backfired.f In spite of Romney trying to paint Huck as an amnesty-loving liberal, he won Iowa and as Romney intensified his false attacks, he lost big-time on Super Tuesday.

    The birther thing is stupidity on the part of the media. Without it as a wedge issue to try and help their candidate, they have little else. It’s not worth our time and if ever asked about it again, the Gov. should simply respond by saying, “Next question.” and keep repeating that till these idiots drop it.

    With respect to debates, as I recall, the actual comment released from a Perry aide was that he MAY not attend all debates. I don’t remember it being stated with any certainty that would not go. I think the Heritage debate is essential. They all are going to be tough but as its being pointed out, he must polish his skills in order to take on Obama next fall. Attendance then won’t be optional.

    The results of Frank Luntz’ focus group on Perry’s ad in Iowa clearly showed high approval each time he said “America”. If he follows that in debates and continues to talk about American exceptionalism, what Americans can do, he’ll do fine. When attacked, reframe the subject into something that is positive. Attackers look petty on debate stages. Someone wearing the coat of armour of his faith, can stand boldly and simply deflect those arrows and talk about the positive. For example, if instate tuition comes up, tick off a 3 or 4 point plan to secure and defend the border. Perry may well come under attack for the Jesus Diaz case; the border agent jailed for 2 yrs for being accused of roughing up a drug runner that happened to be a 15 yr old kid. His wife says she’s contacted Perry and got a form email response. He needs to get out in front of that now and say that as president he will not do what Bush did which is ignore these border agents accused and instead, will direct his Atty Gen to act immediately in investigating and reviewing these cases. As gov. under the heavy hand of the fed’s he couldn’t do much but he needs to come out and reject Holder and these actions and STAND UP FOR justice.

    Worry and fear look backward. Faith looks upward. There is a very large element in this entire process we fail to remember but would do well to remind ourselves of often: God is in charge here and His will is always done.

    Live free or die.

  • tyman

    Carolyn,

    I haven’t made up my mind about voting if Romney is the nominee. That’s the 10% I’m not sure about.

    Looking back, I’ve said this and I’ve heard others say this, too, but if McCain were elected THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE 2010 ELECTION LANDSLIDE HAPPENED. Every time a moderate Republican is elected, it sets real conservatism back. It happened with Nixon/Ford, Bush 41 & 43. As I said the other day, it happened in Britain with John Major.

    If Romney is nominated, I’m not sure the base will be fired up enough…even to beat Obama. If Romney wins, how will he REALLY govern, and how far will he set conservatism back?

    However, even with Congress in Republican hands (and even that’s no guarantee next year), Obama can still devastate the country for 4 more years with EO, and not having to worry about getting re-elected.

    There is still a lot to consider, but I’m with you regarding Erick. I was really disappointed that he chose to take that route: it truly was the media that was fixated on the BO BC (I expect it from them: NOT FROM A CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST!). It has been that way for the whole campaign with Perry having to explain some issue (Gardasil and in-state tuition) that either he’s apologized for or said that he would NEVER propose to the nation.
    I’ve studied both issues, and from a conservative standpoint, they’re not what the casual observer sees or what the media wants you to think.

    I happened to catch Hannity and Rove last night about 12:15 and Rove had his “white board” out and he was showing the polls as of this time in 2007. Giuliani Thompson and McCain were the top three, with McCain at 11%. Hannity asked Rove if Perry had a chance and, to my astonishment, Rove said that it wasn’t too late. Of course, he also said that there’s no way to tell what will happen.

    James Carville said that Cain has 0% chance and that Perry should go ahead and go home. We know who he’s cheering for, in the end with Romney as the nominee…that would be Obama. Carville knows Obama is weak and he needs to face the weakest candidate. This was ABC, BTW. That should tell people something.

  • satchman3

    If you think people make hiring and firing decisions based on who has the best vita you’re mistaken. Interpersonal skills are very important when making an evaluation of people for really any position.

  • joayn

    covers it for me.

  • retire05

    When the 2008 elections rolled around, I was looking for someone who would take this nation in the direction I felt the Founders had designed. John McCain was not that person. For one, his adoption of the term “maverick” bothered me. Anyone who has raised cattle knows that a maverick steer/cow will disrupt the entire herd. You have to eliminate that maverick for the good of the herd. So I decided to take a look at Mitt Romney.

    Romney’s entire record bothered me. He was a Republican, but governed as a liberal. He drove his state into massive per capita debt. His positions on almost everything I hold dear were an antithesis to what I believe. That left Romney out then, as now, for me.

    So who was left? I didn’t like Huckabee, Guiliani was out of the question, so I supported Fred Thompson when I learned that it was Thompson who had coached John Roberts for the Congressional hearings. Anyone who was that smart about the Constitution could not be all wrong. And Thompson was a solid conservative. But Thompson, like Perry today, was portrayed in the press as being slow, not very smart, and of course, the worst accusation of all, Southern. Thompson’s laid back easy ways got him labeled dumb. So he was destroyed by the media, just as the media is now trying to destroy Rick Perry and Marco Rubio.

    I don’t care about these stupid debates. They are designed for one thing only; create a food fight among the GOP candidates and give fodder to Obama for future ads. What I care about is a record on how that person has governed in the past.

    Ask any Cain supporter (and I have on this very website) what in Cain’s record that tells them how he will govern. You will not get an answer. Oh, you will get what I got; he was CEO of Godfathers, he’s a Christian, minister and sings well, he is unorthodox in his campaign, he shoots from the hip (lip, actually), he gives pretty speeches when he is not sticking his foot in his mouth.

    But one has to ask also: if Cain is so great, and is breathing down Mitt Romney’s neck, why is Romney still going after Perry? Why has Romney devoted an entire website to attacking Perry, and not Cain who is is neck and neck with Romney?

    It’s because Romney, like Charlie Cook, knows that the last two men standing are going to be Romney and Perry. And Romney cannot defeat Obama as all Obama has to do is point out that he has used Romney’s own team for Obamacare and Cap and Trade. With Romney, we don’t get egg rolls, we just get four more years of Obama.

  • cbartlett

    Unlike all of the other candidates, he does have a rather large state to manage. Maybe he could just say that he needs to be selective about the number of debates he does because he has other responsibilities? That way he can legitimately be more picky about the city/state, the venue, the interviewers, the format, the crass liberals involved or whatever else makes these so difficult. Just a thought.

  • avagreen

    Please check out this comment which I posted……it pretty much put the nail in Cain’s coffin as far as I’m concerned.

    Like retire05, I supported this for the most of this year until the last few months. Before that I supported/defended Palin until I could see that the media had damaged her way beyond her being able to do anything nationally. Then, I went to Cain….until I researched him further. I’m now supporting Perry just as fervently as I did the other two.

    Things happening such as listed in this article put my teeth on edge. I can’t stand arrogance, nor pomposity, both of which I’m seeing displayed. My mother always told me to “be nice to those beneath you. You may meet them on the way down.”

    I can’t stand someone treating those in service to them in this manner.
    This might change your mind.

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/27/the-horserace-for-october-27-2011/#comment-137828

  • avagreen

    That and putting his hand on Perry’s shoulder…….I felt like leaping through the screen for his to be so patronizing to another human, as if HE owned the stage.

    It was like my husband telling to “calm down” when I mad. It just makes me madder. I give Perry credit for decking the fool.

  • avagreen

    “He has way too much negative baggage in Texas that is yet to be vetted. “

    Tell.

  • cbartlett

    Is it just the Texas version of the Dream Act? Or is there something else? I just wrote this response to an article written by a Texas conservative college organization that condemned the Dream Act legislation signed by Perry. Perhaps Perry’s staff should tell him to start defending this a little stronger…..

    I am a Texas A& M Former Student, as well as a daughter, spouse and parent of former students. I am also a very pro-active conservative and I don’t believe in amnesty – BUT I disagree with your “battle” in this article. The parents of those “illegal” immigrant students have been living in this state for a minimum of three years (because those kids are required to have attended a Texas public school for at least three years and graduated to qualify), which means they have most likely paid sales taxes and some form of property taxes in their rent during that time. Those taxes help “fund” those in-state tuition rates. These kids were drug here by their parents – sure, technically, they are “breaking the law”, but did they get any choice in that decision? Until our federal government gets their act together and no longer allows their families to get across that border, Texas is REQUIRED by federal law to deal with this problem. We must educate them, as well as provide healthcare and other public assistance from taxpayer dollars. Many of these kids do not even remember life in Mexico. They have been educated in our public school system and most likely speak English better than their parents. In order to qualify for the in-state tuition rates, they must have decent grades (if not excellent), good SAT scores, at least some attempt at a resume’ of activities and/or community involvement, apply to and be accepted at a Texas college or university. They have to really want to go to college to accomplish all of that. There are an awful lot of Texas natives who can’t manage to do all of those things! Oh yeah – they also have to apply for legal citizenship in the process. The goal here is that they WILL be legally eligible to work in this country by the time they graduate. Is that such a bad thing? I think the most compelling thing to think about is – what is the alternative for these kids? How many of them will drop out of high school and have an “anchor baby” so their chance of deportation is minimized? Yeah – contrary to popular opinion, our great federal government would rather keep those “illegal” parents here taking care of that “legal” baby instead of putting it into the already overloaded foster system. So what have we accomplished? We have now continued the cycle of yet one more generation of uneducated, untrained, unemployable people sucking on our STATE welfare system. Would you rather spend our tax dollars to break this cycle and get a few of them becoming productive members of our society and paying taxes instead of living off our taxes? I agree with the previous comment about the supposed “disproportionate financial aid” – students qualify for assistance by need and, yeah, obviously a higher percentage of illegal immigrants are probably going to be poor. Duh – their parents don’t have education, training or jobs – it’s a vicious circle. The fact that 181 out of 185 of our state legislators – INCLUDING many conservatives – voted for this law makes me think that they also see the value of turning tax “takers” into tax-payers. I don’t expect other states to adopt this if it isn’t a priority for them but, for once, I think Texas actually got something right in trying to improve the futures of these young people and our communities in general.

    Our government, in general, is pretty screwed up right now but I think there are a multitude of liberal policies that are affecting our everyday lives that are infinitely more important to spend our time and efforts fighting than this one. I’m not sure yet that Rick Perry is the best person to replace our current disaster president, but he certainly seems to be more conservative than most of the ones on the list right now. The fallacies in your arguments sure don’t help in fighting his critics on this particular issue, particularly non-Texans who are less familiar with all of the background. I respect a group of college conservatives – I know how difficult it is to get young people engaged in political issues. Please, please concentrate your efforts in educating your fellow students on the dangers of big federal government, the far-reaching, rouge federal agencies, Obamacare, and the socialistic entitlement tax system we have morphed into. These are WAY more important issues to fight than merely giving a few youngsters a possibility of a better future.

  • avagreen

    No, wait……
    I bet it can.

  • gekster

    ..nt..

  • 1bunny

    I see shades of Sarah Palin. Did she not say to not let the MSM or as she calls it the LSM be the one to “help” get the message out to the people. I believe she said the MSM are not out to help Republicans and will spin things to the candidates disadvantage. So she decided to “go rogue” and as Palin said on Fox. “I think that it would be a mistake for me to become some kind of conventional politician and doing things the way it?s always been done with the media, in terms of relationships with them.? So I can see Perry would not want to continue doing all of the debates to give the MSM a chance to define/bash him, he needs to pick the ones that will best serve him, then let him do what he does best and do the retail politics. Keep in mind that the Perry campaing is at a time disadvantage. He got in late so has had less time to do the retail politicing than all the others and then to just keep doing all the debates cuts into what time he has before the primaries to connect personally with the voters. I say it is smart to pick and choose.

  • avagreen

    I’m supposing that means Erik?

  • Scope

    Perry hasn’t talked about the birther issue, or the debate issue, non-stop like the media has. Perry has no control over what the leftist media, or the Fox Romney media says, but it’s his fault for not staying on message. Gee, thanks for letting us know that Perry controls everything the media says and reports.

    Then I go over to the Hill, and low and behold, there is an article saying that Cain is going to slow his campaign pace in order to avoid making gaffes. His spokesperson said he made all those gaffes like on abortion etc. because he was tired, and not focused. Hmmm. Seems to me that any question on abortion, to any conservative, can be answered if you are a walking zombie from no sleep for days. He didn’t look tired to me when he was doing the townhalls where he was preachin’ it about the electrified fence.

    Cain has already not spent much if any time in Iowa, but, now he’s going to spend less time on the trail, so he doesn’t make any more gaffes? Perry crew says that he may skip some of the debates, so he can spend more time on the trial meeting the voters and shaking their hands. But, that dumb Perry, who can’t communicate anything, or sell his way out of a paper bag gets pilloried.

    Ace has a great article up currently where he expresses his sentiments about Cain’s message, and a very flowery description of the things Cain says. I agree. So Cain is going to go into hiding more, so he doesn’t make any more gaffes on the campaign trail. We’ll just sit back and wait for him to make them from the Oval Office. Ducky.

  • lucasblack

    I don’t hate Rick Perry, I’m just not impressed by him. And I think the whining – which included his wife – is kind of pathetic. He’s supposed to be the guy who shoots coyotes but so far all I have seen him shoot is his own foot – repeatedly.

  • Scope

    In 08 I was a total Fredhead. When he backed out after SC, I truly went into a period of mourning, as though a beloved had died. I remember Fred saying back then that the media loves to build you up, just to tear you down. The higher they take you up, the farther they have to take you down. In my opinion, that is exactly what they are doing with Cain in this cycle, and Cain hasn’t had the intelligence or judgment to see he is being used. Fox has already begun his media decent to the bottom of the pile again, especially with Hume. He is yet another candidate that the leftist networks would love to see running against Obama, and before Fox crowned him, he was/is no threat to their man Romney. Doesn’t it make you wonder why he is so high in the polls, but the money just isn’t there to support a top tier race. The money is still going to Romney and Perry, because most know that Cain cannot maintain the media onslaught he will get from all directions. Until now, he has been treated with kid gloves, and has become the teflon man. The media has made it that way, and his supporters have fallen for the whole ruse lock, stock, and barrel.

    Reading the segments of the Will article coming out on Sunday, and seeing more and more websites willing to print unflattering stories about the flupper, it will be interesting to see what Rove et al still have up their sleeves to keep him at the top.

    Who will be the next “flavor of the month”? We are running out of time to try to elevate all of the candidates, one at a time. Who’s next, Newt? I don’t think so. Santorum?, not hardly. Bachmann is done. Paul or Huntsman? Burrrr.

    If there was anything else hiding in Perry’s closet, I believe that the Bush/Rove machine would have already brought it to the forefront during the Perry/KBH race. The only way they can damage or destroy him now is by either slamming him in the media with false accusations like the rock story, the birth certificate non-story, saying he won’t be doing any more debates when he never said that? I don’t know if he has denied interviews with the networks, including Fox, or if they just refuse to give him a microphone, and have blacklisted him. I’m not looking forward to the Wallace interview, but, Perry could and should have at it with Wallace, up to and including paying him back for his pre-planned debate strategizing to make him look bad. If Perry can take Wallace down a notch or two on Sunday, that is worth more than any flub Perry may have ever made. I don’t want to see the nice Perry on Sunday, I want to see the Perry that knows how to take a machine gun to a Wallace knife fight.

  • Scope

    currently on my cable package was so that I could get the debates. I only recently started watching it in protest against Fox. It just happened to be on last night when I caught EE (Erick Erickson). I wished I hadn’t seen that. It made me sick. I’ve also gotten pretty sick of hearing Rush going on and on about the wonders of Cain this week also. I turned him off today. I’m running out of places to get the news. That’s probably a good thing.

  • tyman

    nt

  • cbartlett

    nt

  • retire05

    The Rove machine was in full blown activity during the last gubernatorial race when not only Rove backed KBH, but Karen Hughes and Mommie and Daddy Bush. GW stayed out of it.

    There was nothing for them to slam Perry over. No illegals doing his lawn work, no family scandals, nada. Now, it is true that Tony Sanchez tried to float the “gay” meme, but that landed flat. And believe me, Tony Sanches spent millions trying to dig through Perry’s trash to find something, anything to use against Perry. He outspent Perry 3 to 1 just to lose.

    Cain was being pumped up by Fox to take down Perry. It was just that simple. But Fox has nothing to talk about with Cain except his unorthodox way of campaigning. And according to the NYSlimes, in their article titled “As Cain Promotes Management Skills, Ex-Aides Tell of Chaos” his unorthodox method of campaigning just may cost him the nomination as he distances himself from the actual voters who are in a position to help him.

    I have never believed that Cain was anything more than a spoiler. He is the Ross Perot of 2011/12. What he can do is serve to split the conservative vote. But if Cain can manage to take Perry out (while Romney continues to slam Perry) then that leaves Cain to be put under the microscope, and under it he will go, believe me. Whol-la! Mitt is the nominee out of simple attrition.

    Cain can claim to have been pulling in $1 million/wk in October, but he is spending it as fast as he gets his hands on it, even buying copies of his own book to hand out during his book tour (figure that one out if you will. You go on a book tour to sell books then give them away) You hit Tennessee and Georgia when the first primary is in Iowa. There are unorthodox campaigns and then there are stupid campaigns where the candidate thinks they can violate all the time-tested rules and get by with it. Perot tried that and it did not work for him in the long run. But Perot did give us Clinton, just as Cain will give us Romney if people don’t get behind Perry.

    And yes, all the radio/tv shows I have traditionally listened to/watch are now off my list. Andrew Wilkow is in the tank for Cain, Hannity for Romney (using Cain to destroy Perry), Fox as a whole appears more and more like a Romney rally.

    So much for fair and balanced.

  • tyman

    what is happening with Cain. Cain would support Romney but not Perry?

    I just don’t believe the polls especially in SC. That Romney and Cain are so far ahead of Perry in the Palmetto State is unthinkable.

  • bzip

    http://youtu.be/bpib11gryh4

  • gracie

    That is what I imagine he is taking time to rest up for. It is beyond me that people in Iowa would want fed sales tax+income tax, such a lack of good instincts that he would negotiate with terrorists, someone who cannot express a pro-life point of view, not to mention “opportunity zones.”

    WHAT can people be thinking? I think it is just ignorance.

    If Newt “encourages” Cain to show his fiscal expertise or lack thereof perhaps people will realize his enormous lack of experience thus causing him to implode.

    A second look will show Perry to be the obvious candidate!

    Pray that this event is televised!

  • cbartlett

    He is STILL the governor of a big state that needs managing. Maybe somebody in the LSM could give him a little credit for getting off the campaign trail and debate circuit every once in a while to take care of business. Maybe even get a camera shot of him in his governor’s office actually WORKING? Except for Bachmann, the rest of those candidates are able to campaign 24/7. Perry is most definitely at a disadvantage and it probably should be pointed out more often.

  • Scope

    No one can beat Newt at debating. If he didn’t have all the baggage that he does, just on his debate performances alone, he would be the frontrunner. There is no possible way that Cain won’t come away from that debate holding his teeth in his hands. There is simply no way that Cain can out debate the Newt. If Cain doesn’t look the fool in that debate, I suspect he will surely do himself in in the foreign policy debate. I doubt that reading the writings of Bolton and Kissinger will help him much. He can’t learn foreign policy in a month or two. And, he can’t just simply say he would let it up to the experts.

  • Scope

    that Bachmann has missed most of the votes in Congress since she hit the campaign trail. And yes, Perry does still have another job to do while running. He had just come off of days of taking care of the wildfire problems in his state, and onto the debate stage, with no prep. for the first debate. We know that Perry can walk and chew gum at the same time, it’s the media that wants to deny that.

  • acat

    Just a long-term amateur.

    I wouldn’t count Perry out. Not yet. It’s still a race to see if Cain or Perry steps on their {tongue} first. Cain’s come closer, IMO, and is working without the $afety net of a large bankroll..

    Time will tell, I suppose.

    Mew

  • acat

    Not so much for the candidates.

    Being a great debater is a useful skill in a Senate seat or maybe in a court of law, it’s not a great metric of success in an executive position.

    Mew

  • Scope

    when Rush went on and on for almost a two week period talking almost exclusively about how great Palin was/is. I would turn the radio on to see if he had gotten off his Palin kick yet, and when he started in again, I turned him off. I remember him opening one day with saying that he was getting tons of emails begging him to stop talking about Palin already, and then he would roll right into the Palin stuff again. At first, I was getting ready for him to divulge her bra size, and what color underpants she had on that day. It was obnoxious.

    Now, lately, he seems to be doing the same thing with Cain. Yesterday he went on and on about the damn dumb cigarette ad, and how Cain was taking it to the leftist media blah blah blah. I personally think the ad is in poor taste, doesn’t provide any clear message about much that I can glean from it, and it really doesn’t send any great message to the kids and young adults. I’m sorry but Mark Block looks seedy in the ad. Today he was also going on about how the media is trying to destroy Cain. Does he watch Fox? Does he not see Cain in interviews with every network constantly? I’d be great if he acknowledged the real destruction the media is doing to Perry. He’ll throw out a bone about him once and a while, but otherwise it’s crickets on Perry.

  • gracie

    Newt should make mincemeat of Cain; I look forward to seeing it.. I just want people to see the truth about Cain, that’s all! It will be fascinating to see if someone picks it up for national TV; that will say something in itself won’t it?

    Scope I am behind everything you are saying on here about Perry and cannot help but think there are any more like me. Like I said on another thread I am Tea Party and we are not in the tank for anyone. My group is split to every candidate except Romney. So there are thousands? of us that are not showing up in any poll.

    And cbartlett, I live about 30 miles from the uncontrollable fire in Magnolia and a couple of hundred from Bastrop but it was so bad we could smell the smoke from that one too. Having had 100-109 degrees for the marjority of five months, there were dozens (scores?) of fires all over Texas!! TRULY frightening!

    Perry left S Carolina to come home that Sunday Bastrop started and took control! He was in the air on Monday, ordered that huge plane from DC that saved our lives plus BOOTS on the ground and then took a plane out on Wed to debate! We WAS exhausted. Nobody EVER ever cuts him any slack!

  • gracie

    n/t

  • paco12348

    How in the devil does anyone expect Perry to debate Obama when he can’t debate people in his own party? Obama is a smooth tongue snake, and Perry would be dead within the first 5 minutes. If Perry gets the nod Obama will be second term.
    Gingrich is the only one that can stand up to Obama in a debate and as much as I like and cheer for Cain, Gingrich is the only one with enough knowledge and political savvy to clear up the mess we are in. If we want America back we better select the one that is a sure bet, and that’s Newt Gingrich.

  • tyman

    I repeatedly turned it off when he’d bring up Palin.

    I’ve never seen the political attraction to her, and I’m not saying that because she hasn’t been kind to Perry (personally, I think she felt scorned that Perry did get in and made such a splash).

    I think the ad is terrible, too. Rush took a call from a lady today who said that she didn’t smoke but it was a freedom and blah, blah, blah. Sorry, of all the things that I count as a freedom, cigarette smoking isn’t one of them, especially in a restaurant. And, yes, Walter Williams, it is my air if it goes in my lungs.

    I, too, think it sends a TERRIBLE message. And he does look seedy in the ad, almost to the point…well, never mind.

    Maybe if Perry took out ads on EIB, he’d get some mileage as well. Although Herb’s radio ad is terrible…almost to the point of annoying.

  • supergirl2911

    I am glad someone put that out.

  • cbartlett

    Great picture!!

  • supergirl2911

    so far I have not heard Perry say he was skipping debates. I heard that he said (secondhand of course) that the excessive debates were unnecessary. I didn’t hear that he was going to skip them. But then I have not looked for it. What I have heard is people ALL over EVERY channel talk about how it is bad for him to skip debates. Sigh. It is like the post I read (can’t remember the author) about it brings up something in fact that is not a fact. Again, I have not looked for the source of it, BUT I have listened to many people talk about it and mostly just talking to take up time. No sources referenced.

    I feel even more strongly about the birth certificate thing. I watched one clip where he was specifically dismissive of it. What he didn’t do was say “Oh hell yes Obama has a valid birth certificate. I hired a special commission to research in Hawaii and other places and I can say with CERTITUDE that Obama is a US citizen. Please. EVEN HERE I see EE talk bout him as if he brought up the BC. It creates a non story.
    Again, I have not specifically researched, but I would hypothesize that I am paying more attention than most people. The message the media gives is wrong and intentionally wrong, in my opinion.

  • supergirl2911

    it’s a set up and a good one. You can’t say no without looking like a wuss. If a candidate states the obvious it is hysterical to me that Santorum is quoted as saying I love the debates and I want to spend as much time sharing my visions and anyone who doesnt debate….yada yada yada…

  • circlegranch

    Rush said today its about $200 for the pay for view and in person tickets are $1000. It’ll end up on YouTube and plenty of excerpts will come out eventually. Newt will win it hands down. Maybe he’s the only one that can open people’s eyes to where they’ll slow down and see that Mr. Cain has an outdated resume, a fundamental lack of understanding of how govt. works (sorry–he’s applying for a govt. job–he has to be able to function and not just keep saying he’ll hire experts’ being anti-big govt doesn’t mean you can be president and ignore all standing rules and protocols) and he may well end up like Obama in that he loves to campaign. He loves to make speeches and wow people with inspiring rhetoric about how things can be good again in America as a way of covering up the thin resume of applicable experience. It’s also not enough that he has a compelling personal story and humble background. There’s several in this that can say the same.

    Gingrich may just propose these Lincoln/Douglas debates for the other 2 also—Romney and Perry. A debate like that with Romney would be priceless. Again, Newt wins and Mitt can’t cry for help from Anderson Cooper when things get rough. Of course, Rick wouldn’t do well either, but maybe he’d relax and do better than we think.

    With Cain’s weird smoking ad, no yard signs or bumper stickers, failure to call back influential people that want to host fundraisers for him, to Perry considering going rogue and not doing any more debates, to Newt being a real stateman and challenging all comers to Lincoln-Douglas style debates, this IS a very unusual primary. Only thing constant is Romney’s flip flops.

  • supergirl2911

    and it makes sense that you should not count on your “own side” to actually be on his side.
    However, if something is false, I appreciate people calling it for what it is, not exaggerating it for no purpose than to have something to talk about, drive traffic, etc. If it is not a story and NOT an issue, why talk about it for three days? If you are in the media and you drive a story that is clearly a nonissue, I agree with the post that said you are doing our country a disservice.

  • supergirl2911

    if it were just that Erick (and every other person with a website, raidio show, or news position) said that was unnecessary, that I could accept. But that is not the issue, They harp on it for no reason but their own. It is not informing the public at all.

  • tyman

    Paco,

    I love to see Newt go at it as well, but I just can’t see Newt on the campaign trail with the energy needed to go national.

    Perry has more political savvy than most give him credit for.

    Obama isn’t a great debater…uh, uh, uh.
    Remember when he was on Leno a couple of years ago and he said his bowling was like “Special Olympics”. We’re actually worried about going up against that???

    One on one, I think Perry will do just fine. Besides, Perry’s got a real bone to pick with Obama, especially where the EPA is concerned.

  • supergirl2911

    nt

  • supergirl2911

    telling everyone America needs to get a sense of humor. I don’t think it will fly.

  • supergirl2911

    that a majority of people I think will only hear the talking points. So,I agree with the need to improve, but I don’t think that will be enough. It has been demonstrated that he gets attacked for (not attacking) poor debate performance and (attacking) debate performance. At times, I do not see how he wins with so much negative media.However, I think the media are kind of like the ESPN football announcers. They say whatever appears to be true, as my brother once said, Captain Obvious, because they don’t want to be wrong. They wrap it in words to make it sound as if they have analyzed and issues and candidates, but they have not. They just want to pretend. That is different from the football announcers. They don’t pretend to have analyzed the team much.

  • supergirl2911

    Newt got a good beating over a comment of the Ryan plan. Man, he could not get away from that no matter how hard he tried. The media’s narrative became the truth. And I would say he spook poorly there. And paid a price.

  • supergirl2911

    I feel the same way.

  • supergirl2911

    he would not have finished the other attack and gotten off message. I guess you would have criticized that as well.

  • gracie

    When I checked prices it was $200 each peanut gallery, 500 meet and greet, and 1000 for front row/cocktail party. A pay per view event could at least be shared among friends. I just googled and could not find out but maybe it’s not generally known.

    Not only am I dying to see the whole thing (and not just on U-Tube) but dying for all of America to see it!

    Think Cain’s advisors can start coming to debates with him?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and/or that someone @ RedState would be forwarding them to the “right” people.

    I have expended a LOT of time preparing my input, for I do not perceive this as merely a blogging site @ which people can ventilate attitudes.

    Rather, it is a virtual “gathering” site @ which we can hone ideas for export to others [web-sites, people, etc.].

  • supergirl2911

    that there were 21 debates, he may get to be a good debater before they are all over. Loved it.

  • sunshinek67

    are getting very worried now by sending their surrogates to plead their case on redstate, today in very large numbers. When George Will uses CAPS, it is going downhill from there.

    Stay positive Team Perry 2012!

  • tyman

    He did speak poorly. Happens to the best of us!

  • Scope

    It was great. It was when he was in NH entering his name on the ballot. This is the Perry you gotta love, and the one I saw in interviews before he even got into the race. He is very engaging on the stump.

  • Scope

    for a while, like Ryan Larsen, and a few others.

  • Scope

    I knew you wouldn’t be far behind with a great Perry post after the unfair trashing he has been getting. It’s like I said, thank you God for some balance here at RS.

  • gunsrus

    by enforcement of our immigration laws and upgrading the Border security???.

  • sunshinek67

    Always fun to see them try, crash and burn right here on redstate, kamikaze Romneybots~

  • ihateliberals

    really conservtives. Reagan was the Conservatives conservative. If we had someone that was Reagan strong we wouldn’t be where we are now floundering around with 9 candidates that aren’t going to cut the grade. Two of those candidates should not have even been considered front runners by any true conservative person and those tow are Perry and Romney. These guys are Liberal Republicans.

    You guys that are bitter about us wanting Reagan back from the grave are what I consider quitters. My opinion right now is that Reagan could do a better job from the grave than any of the current candidates or president. His patriotism has been made fun of by the democrats and the Liberal republicans. you have to remember the Elite Republicans back in 1979 did not want Reagan and had a crap fit when the public over ruled them. They forced George Bush a liberal Republican on him telling him he had to be there in order to carry Texas and win. That may or maynot have been the truth. Then as soon as Reagan left office the Elite Republicans and George Bush started to dismantle the Reagan Era policies. We have not had a successful conservative since Reagan. yes Reagan is dead but that doesn’t mean we don’t need another one and we should bot be so ready to concede defeat in trying to find him. Reagan was the Tea party candidate of the 80′s and we need another Tea party candidate now and I pray that when it comes time for the public to get their two cents in at the polls that perry, Romney and Cain all die and fade away and a conservative candidate surfaces like Gingrich, Paul or Bachman. The press and the republican party have demonized these candidates far too long and we conservatives have allowed them to do it. It is time we spoke up and put our vote where our mouth is and actually ignore the press the democrats and the Elite Republicans and stuck with what we believe in. Reaganism is not dead but just without a leader for the moment. I’m guessing you are a elite Republican and not a true conservative. if not so you would not be down on those of us that still believe that a true patriotic conservative is out there somewhere. If Reganism truly is dead with the man then we truly are lost because anyone less that a Reagan conservative can not and will not succeed in turning this country around. Putting another Liberal republican in office like George W Bush will only slow our demise not stop it. we might s well stick with Obama and give the knife the final twist and be done with it and return to the dark ages. When America finally fails the World wil die as well. there is no other shinning beacon on the hill.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Rereading and pondering the evolution of events [and the levity provided by some], a few observations are in-order.

    An underlying thread running through the anti-Romney world is illustrated by how Lt. Colombo [Peter Falk] solved mysteries. “The audience observes the criminal’s reaction to the ongoing investigation, and to the increasingly intrusive presence of Columbo….” [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbo] I remember, when Peter Falk died, that this was amplified as the major method of problem-solving that constituted his modus-operandi. Specifically, he observed CHANGES in behavior, and then drew appropriate conclusions regarding the guilt that had prompted them.

    Apply this to Romney. There is a definable component of the GOP that he has almost totally ignored – the TPM; indeed, when he attended one TPM event recently, he actually was picketed for not having promoted its values. Thus, there is no question that he has generally shunned this driving-force when strategizing, and has made no bones about it. Inasmuch as the TPM has many components ["leaderless, but not rudderless"],it is therefore a shock that none of them have warmed to his front-runner candidacy.

    What is the take-home-message, here? Does this not animate much of the disdain for his candidacy manifest on RedState? What would be the customary reaction of political campaign strategists to this volatile mix of unabashed-passion and perceived-neglect?

    “Attention must be paid” to the Willy Lomans of the world, but moreso to those who indubitably enjoy political clout. That is, perhaps, why I advised earlier that the TPM must become activated ASAP.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Meanwhile, a stalwart cabal of pro-Perry supporters has unabashedly emerged [Sunshinek67, Scope, acat, Supergirl2911, tyman, bzip, gracie, cbartlett, circlegranch, retire05, carolyngr, gekster, avagreen, onemovoter] and we seem to have staved-off most Perry-bashers with FACTS. This is not to assert that a sincere set of doubts exist in others, but it is to claim that the “reasonableness” of Perry must be appreciated [as opposed to the emerging portrayal he is being provided by the MSM/LSM, predictably fueled by his competitors].

    The accusation is occasionally leveled [@ RS-bloggers, albeit less frequently this week @ EE] that this site serves as a repository for all-things-Rick. Of course, noting the vehemence of advocates for others [Nerds4Cain] and nonspecific critics felt to be either Mittsters or D-Trolls, it is not difficult to conclude that the thread of intellectual honesty runs through these postings which–at least in my case–are oriented towards helping Perry [and helping people who want to help Perry]. We are hardly sycophants and, indeed, were we tempted to slip into that mode…we would be firmly jerked back into reality by the aforementioned “usual suspects.”

    What emerges is a consensus view that both elevates Rick and devastates everyone else. Were that sufficient in a politicized environment to prompt further postings thereat, the effect would become transient; people can “talk to themselves” for only limited time-periods before they need to go to work.
    But this is an exceptional year, an impetus that is palpable among those who are carrying Rick’s “flame” [today, into New Hampshire]. We may be nationall-neophytes, but it ain’t for lack of (a)–training in our locales, and (b)–trying.

    What we see is BOTH the unique contribution Rick can make to America AND the absence of any comparable promise inherent in the other candidacies. Wonks we aren’t, thinkers/feelers we are. That is why it is so easy to rebuff ill-conceived attacks on Rick; that is why we reduce facile arguments to mincemeat…almost impatient for some jab to occasionally escape our first-line defenses. Were the election held on RedState, Rick wouldn’t even have to debate/dialogue/speechify/advertise.

    But it isn’t, and he does. And that is why we all wish him well; even some skeptics claim they are bestowing “tough-love” by hurling a red-meat critique @ this pool of tigers lying in-wait [sorry about the doubly-mixed metaphors!]. But we must be purposeful beyond RS-postings/musings. We must muster recognition that this is no ordinary campaign year. The sheer destruction of American values/achievements being experienced @ warp-speed is dizzying, even to those who feel “we’ve seen everything!” In short, what sometimes escapes attention is that each of us is issuing, in our own ways, a CALL-TO-ACTION.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The prior incremental-observations may appear not to be worth 5-’graph prodromes ["activate the TPM" ... "ASAP"] but there is another dimension to the timing that must be appreciated. Today, I attended an event @ which I held “chats” with Zionists who are seemingly unaware of Rick’s unique commitment to the prioritized preservation of Eretz Yisrael.

    [Rather than recapitulate my references/hyperlinks, they are aggregated inter alia @ http://www.saveardmorecoalition.org/node/5848/rick-perry-hes-guy. Perhaps a repository of such data is needed, for only belatedly have I tried to double-post @ that site...to provide ready-reference. Indeed, others who would want a particular citation not to be buried in the ethernet, you are encouraged to employ this locale.]

    One, a long-time Romney-supporter, was touting his upcoming visit to Philly [next week, if memory serves] and brushed-off the customary flip-flop attacks [including endorsement of the Individual Mandate] that were tossed his way. The rejoinder was, however, annoying: Rick is “arrogant and stupid.” The former was manifest when he attacked Rick on Mitt’s Illegals and the latter was said to have been aggregated from conversations with those in-the-know. The cherry-on-top was that Rick is an Aggie [a comment delivered with a knowing-wink that wasn't returned].

    The other, who lionized but one politician [Elizabeth Warren] even when he was reminded of her cooky-quotes of a few weeks ago [people owe success to their country, in-essence, due to provision of infrastructure, etc.], is a radiologist. When pressed about why he rejects all POTUS-GOP candidates, he reverted to attacking generically [the party is inflexible on social issues]. When pressed further, it turns out he had volunteered @ 19-years-old @ Planned Parenthood. Any suggestion that anyone else could provide primary care of comparable quality was kabashed; any suggestion that $ from the D’s for PP would be justly dwarfed by BHO’s $$$ for the Islamists [the theme of the lecture we were hearing @ the Middle East Forum] was sidestepped.

    Thus, the challenge is framed [both intra-party and when Indies are to be approached] as follows: We are thoroughly thought-through, but we contend with those who harbor the view that they are thoroughly felt-through. How to penetrate the latter [which serves as the culmination of passions that have accumulated over lifetimes] is unclear. Already discarded are both BHO and Rick’s competitors; essentially, they cannot match the classic characteristics of the expert-witness [knowledge, training, experience...and;achievement]. Rick must re-educate people about the Constitution and how it should be applied [as discussed supra, in myriad lingos]…and we must aggressively spread that message far-and-wide.

  • bzip

    What is Cain’s message today:
    According to Newt – Cain lacks experience (of course we all new that, right):

    Gingrich touts experience over Cain?s:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/29/gingrich-touts-experience-over-cain%e2%80%99s/

    According to the LA Times:
    Herman Cain losing some steam
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cain-20111029,0,5983412.story

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry’s record and proposed policies are substantive.

    Rick Perry has more real world campaigning and governing experience than all the pundits and professors on this board.

    Rick Perry GETS IT DONE.

    Let us focus on the many things Rick Perry gets right rather than the few he gets wrong.

  • bobguzzardi

    only pundits and wonks care about debates. real people care about policies that grow jobs and raise our standard of living and about a candidate who cares and shares their values.

    Policies are not enough. Like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, you know Rick Perry cares.

    There is a business adage: “Before they care what you know, they have to know you care.” Rick Perry cares. He speaks to the heart of the person who works, saves and invests, who is productive and is a Tax Maker, not a Tax Taker.

    Rick Perry is The Guy

  • bobguzzardi

    Exactly and focus is distracted from real policy issues. like Jobs…

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry has a realistic, workable plan to grow the economy, raise our standard of living and reverse the slide backward.

  • geoph

    It seems we are arguing the same point.
    Yes we need candidates and representatives who will push a Conservative agenda, but saying if only we had Reagan is not helpful. Ronald Reagan is dead, and he suffered a horrible disease that prevented him from carrying on the Conservative torch past his administration.

    The ideals are still there, as is the structure Dutch himself had to fight and contend with in the GOP. Some things have changed though. We no longer need a charismatic point man for conservatism. We have means of communicating and unifying that only Al Gore was dreaming of in the 80′s. We have half a century of data as to how the Great Liberal Experament has worked. We have a Nation so far in debt that continuing with the status quo is not really an option. If one must insist on clamoring for “Reagan”, understand that all Conservatives are the “Reagan” being yearned for.
    For Heaven’s sake, Mr. Reagan showed us to be confident and responsible, and to call what is wrong, wrong. WE are the face of Conservatism. If we are truly against a powerful Big Government – why on earth would we want to give our voices to one politician?

  • bobguzzardi

    If Rick Perry is so incompetent, how did he defeat the Bush Texas Establishment? How has he successfully governed a major state, an energy state, grown more jobs than all other states combined.

    Luck? maybe America needs a Good Luck Charm. Incumbent seems to attract a lot of bad luck. It could not be the ideas, could it?

  • bobguzzardi

    thanks gekster

    As a Liberal once said to me: “What’s so important about the truth? It doesn’t win elections.”

  • bobguzzardi

    great pic

  • acat

    bad debate sure seems like it moved Perry’s poll numbers….

    Curious regarding your thoughts.

    Mine are that Perry had goodwill but was not well known, when his polling first spiked .. so he’s now fallen back to earth, Icarus-fashion. However. While he was up, he raised quite a bit of cash, and he’s learned who his enemies are.

    Since there isn’t a better candidate on the list – Cain has too short a jacket, Gingrich has too long a jacket, Santorum is too angry and narrowly focused, Bachman has blown herself up, Ron Paul is still bat-{guano} crazy – eventually the GOP will take another look at Perry .. and this time he won’t have wax wings.

    Mew

  • bobguzzardi

    Washington-Wall Street Northeast Network do not like Rick Perry because he is not one of them and because his style is Texas, ( real America) and not pseudo intellectual, faux sophisticates with slick, fashionable ideas…. and wrecking the country’s economy, weakening our defense.

    Sarah Palin Rush Limbaugh Rick Perry…. the voices of freedom and prosperity. and we all know it.

  • acat

    not the family directly, but a number of their supporters including Rove – went after Perry, hammer and tongs … right?

    One of the first things I liked about Perry was that Rove seems to hate him.

    Mew

  • bobguzzardi

    to the point … well said

  • acat

    Meant to point out, Vaughn, that you need to read the articles from the race between Perry and KBH, another Texas Republican.

    Mew

  • bobguzzardi

    dr. bob and I are very familiar with Pennsylvania politics, it is out opinion that Rick Perry can take Pennsylvania in much the same way Ronald Reagan did.

    Rick Perry is Ronald Reagan with cowboy boots.

  • bzip

    I sure hope you are right and hopefully in a enough time.

    You laid it out very well what and where things are at, in my opinion.

    Lets hope the conservative base wakes up and comes back home to Perry in enough time.

  • bobguzzardi

    If the worst you can criticize Rick Perry for is bad debating skills, then he has to be “The Guy”.

    We have a slick debater as President. and what happened?.

  • bobguzzardi

    thanks for posting at Save Ardmore Coalition blog site. www.saveardmore.org

    I live in Ardmore, Lower Merion Township, adjacent to Philadelphia. Lower Merion is home of Arlen Specter which should tell you all you need to know.

    dr. bob lives in Abington on other side of Schuylkill river, also adjacent to Philadelphia.

    We are surrounded by Liberals, Republican and Democrat, Smerconish is a local icon.

    I hope gekster and and others of our ilk will post the facts about Rick Perry.

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry did NOT sign Texas version of Dream Act.

    As I understand it, many Texans support this legislation for the reasons you so eloquently explicate. As someone from Texas, you added a dimension to this discussion that is appreciated.

    Immigration is also NOT the primary vote moving issue.

  • bobguzzardi

    This makes no sense. There is plenty of dissent and no comments are censored, and certainly no comments critical of Rick Perry or even Erik himself.

    EE runs a very open shop, all ideas and comments welcome. Old fashioned, perhaps, but some of us like our First Amendment rights.

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry in person is most engaging and attractive person. Hard to dislike this guy.Charm is counts and, more importantly, one gets a sense of innate decency.

    The video of Anita Perry speaking to Evangelical groups is moving and tells us a lot about Rick’s heart. Rick Perry cares. and one can feel him.

  • bobguzzardi

    eloquently simplicity, izoneguy.

  • bobguzzardi

    ditto

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    ARE debates… in the same sense that Sue Grafton books are literature. Sadly, some folks don’t have much time to devote to politics, having to work three jobs, pay their taxes and child support, and so on and on and on. Seeing two minutes of a candidate is better than nothing at all, in my view.

    BUT: I LOVE what Newt and Cain are proposing. THAT is a “debate”, in the classic Linconln/Douglas style; it would be more so if all the candidates did them, and did them frequently around the country, rather than have photographers swarm them while they are flipping flapjacks, or holdin’ a gun while thar gettin’ themselves a huntin’ license.

    Imagine these sorts of debates happening every weekend from now until the General Election (including with President Obama). Talk about an informed choice!

  • bobguzzardi

    I am liking you more and more,avagreen.

    Frankly, I skip the debates, lot of pettiness.

    I spent my time reading Fed Up and Sen. Pat Toomey’s Path to Prosperity. Both are present realistic plans that can be enacted.

  • bobguzzardi

    expecting fairness from Liberals is not realistic.

    good points, though. The Gov. has a day job.

  • justvisiting

    Not only is Reagan dead. But he wasn’t as wonderful as all you Tea Party people think he was.
    Don’t you people claim to care about deficits?
    Well, when Reagan left office, he left a huge deficit. HUGE. 4.2% of GDP.
    And you’ve somehow attributed the economic recovery in the 1980′s to Reagan’s tax policies instead of attributing it to the drop in the price of oil.
    (In the 1970′s, we had the oil shocks, the rise of OPEC, and gas llines The price of oil was $35 in 1980 when Reagan took office. Due to oversupply and OPEC not holding together, the price fell to $10 in the 1986.)
    And interestingly, oil also factored into the break-up of the USSR. Again, related to lower demand/oil glut in the 1980′s. Russia exported 30% of its oil to the Eastern European countries (then part of the USSR).

  • Scope

    On Cain’s ad that is running on Rush’s show, he claims that his 999 plan will create 6 million jobs. Does anyone know where he got that number? or is it just made up?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    #3 Perry vs the heartless

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    I was wondering what those millions of folks lining his funeral route were doing, or visiting the Capitol were doing back in 2006.. I thought they were giving away free government cheese, or something.

    And why, exactly, was there an oil glut, smartypants? Especially during a time of enormous economic growth in the early 1980′s? Hmm? Anyone? Anybody? Buhler?

    One of Reagan’s first acts was to deregulate the domestic oil and gas industry, which unleashed our own production and distillation capacities, which had an almost immediate impact on world supply. OPEC most certainly DID “stay together” (wouldn’t YOU if you could make billions by bullying the world economy), and it remains a pain in the ass to this day.

    As for the “Reagan Deficits”. House Speaker Tip O’Neil (the sainted Christopher Matthew’s boss at the time) pronounced every budget Reagan submitted as “dead on arrival”. Reagan cut spending dramatically on everything but defense, and slashed entire departments in his budget proposals, but the Democrats wouldn’t hear of it.

    And finally, it is a fact that Cap Wienberger (and former Aramco CEO George Schultz) put the shoulder to the House of Saud to increase oil production after the Solidarity crack-down as a way to impoverish the Soviets, which depended on expensive oil to hold it’s ramshackle empire together. Fahd capitulated when we pointed out that Revolutionary Iran was cozying up to the USSR, and would be a client state with nukes ready to drop them on their heads. Iran and Saudi Arabia remain implacable foes to this day.

    Sorry. Reagan was without question one of our greatest Presidents, and even thirty years of liberal protestations and propaganda will not alter that fact.

  • 1bunny

    and the media narrative (so quickly embraced by the D.C. GOP establishment) that always emphasizes and values process, false promises of bipartisanship, and style over substance (i.e. Barack Obama) should not blind Republicans to their obligation to pick a candidate whose record demonstrates conviction and leadership on the most pressing policy issues. Rick Perry is that candidate and doc is right we need to help get the message out to others. This fight is too important, we must save this country. Previously I have given money to candidates but have not taken the time to volunteer my time (too busy you know) but now I am inspired to do ALL I can to help my candidates local and presidential. We should never be too busy if we believe strongly in America.