Mitt Romney Leads George Will to Write in All Caps

Crash71234

Mitt has a lot of money, great organization and it’s his turn!/

Money

he’s ELECTABLE, just like John McCain!

http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

Now, before the Romney fans start in on me, I do not have a candidate of my own. I like several. But Mitt is not one of them.

Mitt says he will repeal ObamaCare. But what does that mean? Will he tap his foot impatiently while Congress gets around to it, or will he stake political capital on it?

The next President can say, “I will veto everything, and make Congress’ life difficult in every way I can, until ObamaCare is repealed.” ObamaCare would be repealed.

Mitt is not going to do that. It’s not his style.

Rather, if he did anything at all he would build a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans to repeal and replace ObamaCare with something different — but just as bad.

No one who believes that government on any level is justified in forcing me to buy a product I don’t want is suitable to be an elected official — at any level of government.

But the biggest problem with Mitt is that despite his personal convictions, he stands only for getting elected. He is exactly what is wrong with the Republican Party, and must not be our nominee.

jackdaniels11

My biggest concern is not that Republicans will show up at primaries to vote against Romney, it is that Democrats and outright leftists will show up at Republican primaries and caucuses to vote for Rick Perry.

Hotline reveals what most insiders already know: that Romney is the only electable Republican this year. Don’t like it? Find more articulate conservatives and run them for elected office in states that they can use as a platform for the next presidential election.

For now, Romney is the only Republican who can beat Obama.

Source: http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/10/gop-insiders-ne.php

And here’s the money quote: “Republicans are beginning to realize that this is a choice between Romney and the unelectable.” (from an unnamed GOP insider)

adamd

Once the ad wars begin, it will over for Romney. Right now most voters are not paying close attention. Once the ads start running in Iowa and South Carolina comparing Obamacare to Romneycare, it will be over for Romney. He might still win New Hampshire, but much like in 1988 and 1996 when you had a someone from Mass running, the primary will not have as much impact.

jackdaniels11

I like Rick Perry’s record on jobs, taxes, and deregulation. I don’t believe that he can beat Obama. Nor can Herman Cain beat Obama.

Perry’s new strategy of ducking debates is going to cost him. Cain hasn’t held any political position for longer than a month. When it comes to flip-flopping, Cain is like Romney on steroids.

Wes_W

Please give me a list of all the debates that Rick Perry has “ducked”?

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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tyman

Corporal Cueball knows that Obama is weak and that Romney will not fire up the conservative base, just like McCain failed to do.

We all know what team Carville is on, so he would NOT be pushing the strongest candidate.

http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

It is so nonsensical to say who “can beat” whom. Voters decide, not us.

But saying Herman Cain hasn’t held any position longer than a month is simply false. Cain has been a fiscal and social conservative for his entire life.

And yes, Mitt Romney would need steroids to become Herman Cain.

And with that, I call “schoolyard” on this thread.

adamd

Remember when George H.W. Bush was deemed “more electable” than Ronald Reagan? Polls had Carter leading Reagan 60%-40%?

Reagan only went on to win 44 states in 1980 and 49 in 1988!

Joshua Persons

We have at least four candidates who stand an excellent chance against Obama. I don’t care what any unnamed off-the-record insider sources think, Romney is not our last and only hope. I’m not beholden to the inner-circle GOP groupthink, and neither is the electorate.

uncmike

if left to their establishment, go-along/get-along tendencies. I can’t imagine them attacking the damage Obama and the Democrats have done by trying to roll some of it back.

zollistar

I have never been politically active — until ObamaCare. Many of the most active, committed people in our Tea Party leadership group are likewise new to political advocacy.

Some of us (my hand is raised) worked on the New York District 9 campaign (Anthony Weiner’s old district) and “turned” it away from over 80 years of Democratic control. We were passionate in our effort.

Note well, Republican Establishment opertatives: There is NO passion in our leadership group for Romney. None. Zero. Zilch. We don’t want him.

I see the e-mails from our members. Overwhelmingly they express concern (some of it deep concern) that Romney will be “anointed”.

There is passion and fervor among tea partiers, If Romney is “anointed”, we’ll support him, but it will be challenging to rouse a passionate boots-on-the-ground effort to help him win. We?ll do our best but?.

We. Don’t. Trust. Him.

And we don’t want him.

beach91

he cn debate good and look presidential.

inwarresolution

Cain and Gingrich are running TOWARDS the media, doing extra debates and doing Hannity and Fox Business at least once a day. Romney and Perry are running away from free media, which has to give you pause… Romney maybe doesn’t think he needs it at this point, but what’s Perry thinking? http://bit.ly/tasQw4

beach91

Saying anyone cannot win is just pure lunacy. Conservatism wins when it is fully tried.

Tell me how do you know Perry cannot win? Or Cain for that matter? You don’t know is the right answer.

tyman

Remember Bill Clinton promised a middle class tax cut during the campaign and then, once elected, went on this “I’ve worked harder than I ever have in my life and I just can’t do it” kick.

To me, that’s Romney. First, with his waivers, which will expire before the next inauguration anyway. Then, once inaugurated, I think Romney will pull a Bill Clinton and say: “Instead of repealing Obamacare, I think we can fix the things that are objectionable to the American people”.

bzip

I don’t think that is correct. Perry will be on Fox News Sunday with Chris for the entire hour (this Sunday).

I think you will be seeing a lot more interviews with Perry. In fact Perry has had a few interviews but I think getting the race late caused a a slow down in the interview free press time.

I also think it is wise to be selective in where and when you do these interviews.

cfoy65

and this is the ONLY hope the democrats have… as their base is also not particularily happy and fired-up to re-elect Barry.

reggie182

If George Will’s argument is sound, then there is only one other candidate in this race who conservatives need to line up with….

And it sure as hell ain’t Rick “debates are hard!” Perry.

That man is Newt Gingrich. He is more qualified to be a transformative figure in advancing the dramatic conservative reform.

Unelectible you say? Give me a good argument why the other so-called “un-Romneys” aren’t unelectible either.

anxious4change

ObamaCare pushed me into being politically engaged. And Romney is not on my list of 4 either.

I live in NJ, where everyone says there is no way Perry could ever be supported. Of my conservative friends (I’m in a somewhat conservative county compared to the rest of the state), I only know one person who wants Romney. Everyone else makes a face if you mention his name (and not in a good way).

The others are not yet unified behind one guy. They seem to be evenly considering the same 3 I’m OK with (Perry, Gingrich, Cain), but I know quite a few who still like Perry, and like me, they are hoping he shows his stuff soon, but certainly have not given up on him in any way.

I totally agree, zollistar, that Romney is just not a consideration. I keep wondering who these 25% are that steadily support him, because I sure never run into any of them! For me and my friends, he’s the “hold your nose and vote” candidate, and who wants to do THAT again?

ajshea

With Perry a distant third.

Huntsman is the most Democrat of the GOP candidates, which suggests the Democrats are projecting onto the GOP candidates (or showing wishful thinking). That makes me like Romney even less, because its clear that the Democrat Insiders (TM) think he’s beatable or likeable, ergo, not conservative, ergo not representative of conservative GOP.

perry4prez

“There is passion and fervor among tea partiers, If Romney is ?anointed?, we?ll support him…”

Don’t you understand that all these promises to support Romney are exactly why the moderates don’t take the Tea Party seriously? They take our support for granted and why not when we’ve already pledged to support their anointed candidate. Every time we make these pre-endorsements we are getting walked all over.

And those same moderates won’t even extend us the same courtesy, they keep shouting out the same stupid arguments about “electability” every time someone like Perry or Bachmann is fixing to win which is just code for “we won’t support them because they’ll shut us out of power”. If O’Bumbling wins again the RINO types at least get to keep their cushy jobs as lobbyists.

rec0n

“My biggest concern is not that Republicans will show up at primaries to vote against Romney, it is that Democrats and outright leftists will show up at Republican primaries and caucuses to vote for Rick Perry.”

Clearly you’re confusing him with Ron Paul. Romney is supported by the same people that ELECTED Obama. In states with primary systems like NH, that’s a real possibility, but it won’t be Perry they vote for, it will be Mitt.

notpropagandized

Erick – Thanks. It’s high time that Republican primary voters start getting some whole truth about Romney’s opportunism. He may still win, but those of us that may be called to vote for him Nov2012 should be prepared do so with EYES WIDE OPEN…

http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

Lurch will not be pleased to lose a title to a rino…

Scope

Now he is saying that the cause of Global Warming is unknown. Just a few months ago he said that it was man made. Hhahahahahahahaha.

Romney never has to worry about being called out on anything. He has at one time or other been on both or all sides of every issue.

By the time we’re done with this Romney will have milked cows for a living.

paulplantowin

And a very strong reason to oppose Romney vigorously.
Obama et.al. have taken us too far down to trust wimps like Boehner’s bozo’s and McConnell’s misfits at all!
With Romney in the WH and those two running Congress – too horrible to contemplate.
Can’t say I’m a big G.Will fan overall – but on this anti-Romney stand I’m with him.
Romney really is slightly better than Obama – but throw the other 2 ‘leaders’ in the mix and we lose a huge opportunity to use the anti-obama energy to get our country back.
If guys like Demint, Rubio, etc. ran the republican congress they could hold Romney to the right- but as it stands now? Not good.IMO

anxious4change

I’d have no problem supporting Newt Gingrich. I keep thinking he’s the dark horse candidate that will surprise everyone. It keeps dawning on people that after every debate, he’s the one who handles himself the best, stays above the fray, is knowledgeable and articulate. And no one can say he is not connecting with the audience. I believe he consistently gets the most applause than anyone else.

It’s not such a bad thing to really like TWO of our candidates. Rick Perry is still very much in the game, but if Gingrich surprises us and rises to the top, I think he’d give anyone who is anti-Obama someone they could feel very confident in.

tailfins1959

We risk Obama being elected and seeing this economy become the “new normal”. Even liberals can see this isn’t working. However, you can’t beat somebody with nobody. We are getting dangerously close to the perception that the whole field is weak.

notpropagandized

Remember how many times AnnCoulter insisted that if Republicans would just nominate a real conservative, then the vote would come out in droves to elect them. Well, Ann’s gone wobbly on us and needs a cold drenching to get us back on track with her sheepish default toward Romney. Any of Cain, Perry, Gingrich and even Bachmann and Santorum, despite AMPLE shortcomings would wipe Obama off the face of America.

Ann – Hold your breath and go for it. Romney is barely better than McCain in the final analysis. If you get him past the finish line in first place, I’ll be there voting for you, but we likely won’t have hordes of 2ndAmendment(ers), Evangelical(ers), NationalSecurity(ers), FamilyValues(ers), Etc(ers)…

phelbin

Thank you! Finally some perspective.

The inevitability of Mitt is a media creation. And we all know they’re 98% democrat. Why on earth would we listen to them about who we should nominate?

Marcus_Traianus

How do you overcome a lack of trust in someone, who between now and the election has no opportunity to substantively convince you of their true intentions?

At this juncture, you take someone’s past and use it as a platform for what they can possibly accomplish in the future. Where does that leave us with Mr. Romney…that is other than the choice of establishment Republicans like Rove, Boehner and McConnell who believe he the best chance to beat Obama?

Is that where we are once again…putting our bets on the “safe” candidate, rather than choosing someone who is firmly rooted and proven in conservative principles? Have we not yet learned our lesson that the alleged whispering sages of The Beltway are nothing more than court jesters for the soon-to-be banished ruling class?

We are at one of the most critical junctures in our history and the future of our republic is at stake. Now is not the time for safe party acolytes and fence sitters. It is a time for the bold, persevering and principled leadership. I don’t see how Mr. Romney represents any of those qualities. If he becomes the nominee and eventually President, he will be nothing more than a weak, temporary, one-term fanboy of the “moderates” who have destroyed this country with their lack of courage.

reggie182

I don’t know if he’s unelectible. I’m just looking for evidence that he can be elected.

If his standings in head to head matchups with Obama improve and he appears to be competitive, I believe it will throw the whole race up in the air. It will be between a dogfight between Newt and Cain, in which case it would I believe Newt would come out on top.

Then it will come down to Newt and Romney. If it does, and I really believe that a vote for Newt won’t get us another four years of BHO, then I’ll go with Newt.

paulplantowin

I’m new to activism as well, for basically the same reason – and Romney spells apathy for me. McCain, Dole, Gulliani, NO NO NO!
Great job w/ special election BTW. Was a real morale booster!

notpropagandized

But will you be there with me to vote for him if, God help us, he’s nominated? I know you will be. But what about all those people who see Romney as insubstantially different from ObamaPelosiReid?

sunshinek67

and yet provides no credible substance to support his assertions. I believe Romney needs to run as a moderate Democrat or an independent. If Michele
Bachmann ever said anything right, conservatives don’t have to settle! What was the Tea Party movement all about then, a fleeting notion that made waves in 2010, and then died a very sudden irrelevant death taking up one small paragraph in history textbooks years from now. Maybe even a footnote. It is time for conservatives to get out of comfort zones and MOVE THEIR FEET and MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD! Take the country back.

Common_Cents

Our two best candidates IMHO. Any of the top 4 or the rest of the field for that matter would be head and shoulders above the narcissist in chief. If Perry can’t get things going, Gingrich will be boosted soon as the 2nd tier fades away. Gingrich advantage is every GOP group sees him as the best viable alternative, a good way to unite the party rather than have any bad blood between rival camps going into a general election.

Gingrich would insist on lincoln douglass unscripted debates with Obama and wipe him off the electoral map. Obama would fight for multiple choice answer debates.

notpropagandized

I hear what you’re saying. I believe that the only candidate that could not beat Obama is RonPaul, God bless his well-intentioned, patriotic soul. It is clear to me that Obama’s campaign salivates over running against Romney based upon the success W had against Kerry in 2004. If there were a flip-flopping Olympic event, Mitt would get the gold medal and Kerry would not even show.

All the conservative candidates will be tested and improved for the general. Truly conservative candidates are the best to run against Dems. McCain got wiped out despite his great experience and venerable profile because he was moderate.

If you’re hanging out around people that think Romney is the only one electable because they’re embarrassed about Perry or any of the others, try talking to the people who will only turn out for a real conservative. There are a lot more of them than those who won’t vote for someone who embarrasses their sense of sophistication.

anxious4change

but I think if we didn’t have a few good choices, we’d be behind one guy/gal right now.

In other words, you can look at it as they’re all weak, or you can see that there are 3 of 4 strong ones, each with their own “negatives” or weaknesses if you will, which is causing people to weigh the pros and cons of each before deciding on their “one.”

I see the glass half full in all of this. And I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that the democrats have absolutely no idea who it’s going to be. It’s hard to start tearing down a candidate when you don’t even know who the candidate is. They’re running around like chickens without heads right now, and the longer that goes on, the better.

notpropagandized

Dems will vote for Romney in primaries because they know that is the most effective way to suppress the conservative vote. Romney has not standing to show the contrast between Obama and the conservative positions. He can talk the talk, but beyond that….???

This debate will go on and on, and who can be certain. But history has proven that when it comes down to the brass tacks, you’d better have a real conservative in there to actually win in the general.

reggie182

Then Newt’s campaign could tease him mercilessly about how BHO is a lightweight who is out of his depth on national issues.

sethellis

Ads have a short shelf life, and are only really affective when the electorate knows little about the candidate. Romney cannot be defined by ads in this way because the electorate already knows a lot about him. If his current flip flopping persona hasn’t done him in by that point I doubt ads will make much of a difference.

clintonformccain

By the time we?re done with this Romney will have milked cows for a living.

Well, we already know that he hunted wabbits….

notpropagandized

All the candidates will beat Obama except for RonPaul for whom we should all show unbounded appreciation.

My ranking at the moment is:
Cain Perry Newt Bachmann Santorum Huntsman Romney Others

What’s yours?/

jonerik

That’s a calculation not yet made. And, truth be told, could run the exact same risk as running McCain…that some Conservatives will just stay home and some of the more Liberal Republicans will go for another 4 years of Disaster in Chief.

And then there’s those much vaunted Independents…who ditched McCain the last time out.

I just don’t KNOW that Republicans are happy to support him.

notpropagandized

The field is just fine, even if it does include Romney and Paul.

The Media loves to portray conservatives as Neanderthals and both Gingrich and Perry are correct to point out media-ratings-motives and media-denigration-of-conservatives-motives. Unfortunately, there’s been some ugliness that only Newt has avoided and called out.

Conservatives must end their tendency toward embarrassment for candidates’ seeming lack of sophistication or whatever the shortcoming. I plead guilty to it myself, but refuse to be humiliated into another 4 years for Obama.

Go real conservative and let’s see if we can shift our problems away from our tyrannical Federal Government to our respective State Governments. Please note that WashDC is the one geographic location in the US with the greatest wealth and lowest unemployment. It’s a parasite on every other American.

adamd

Romney has topped out at 25% despite campaigning for 5 years. Ads will convince the Republican electorate to rally behind one candidate to stop Romney. Much like the Democrats rallied behind John Kerry to stop Howard Dean.

The electorate does not know Romney well. In 2008 he really was never considered the front runner. At first Giuliani was, then Huckabee was thrown in the mix and finally in New Hampshire the Republicans rallied behind McCain. Romney never got the harsh media scrutiny.

Romney will fade once his flip flips become common knowledge and that Obamacare is based on Romneycare.

sunshinek67

for weeks now, that NH is a runaway for Mitt Romney, however today those poll numbers in NH were dissected on one of the cable news programs and come to find out there is actually an 80-90% electorate in the Granite State that is undecided. Now, what does that say when NH residents are undecided in mass numbers about one of their own. Telling!

sunshinek67

From the WaPo 10/28/11: “Granite Staters are also very late deciders and our last WMUR Granite State Poll, 89 percent of likely Republican primary voters said they had no idea who they are voting for,? said James Pindell of WMUR-TV, a local New Hampshire television station. ?Candidates like Huntsman or Perry still have time to catch fire and, if they do, things will get very interesting, very quickly.?”

Now, I do realize it is the WaPo, however, cable news picked it up and made an interesting segment out of the information. Interestingly enough, this NH undecided percentage (subliminal ‘anti’ or unsure about Romney) coincides with the national 75% anti-Romney electorate out there, the real frontrunner in this GOP primary race.

Stop the media coronation of Mitt Romney, Rush is right, he is no conservative! Run as a moderate Democrat Mitt Romney, but stop the charade already!

reggie182

Romney
Gingrich
Cain
Perry

The rest are essentially out of the race.

iidvbii

Newt has just a ton of baggage that is going to leave a bad taste in voters mouth’s.
Hypocrisy
Personal relationships
Personality
Financial mis steps
I don’t personally subscribe to most of this but that is the perception.

Rick Perry on the other hand:
Decade of conservative success
Reformed regulations
Tort reform
Managed one of the largest most complex economies in the world through the worst economic downturn in 80yrs relatively unscathed.
Governor of the state with one of the best economic stories out there (over half the jobs created in Texas/ Number one destination for business escaping poor business environments)
Strong consistent conservative record spanning decades in public office
You can pick one his debate performances (all but the last) attack him as a dumb hick if you like. But that dumb debate fumbling hick has the absolute best record of anyone on or off the stage for that matter. That my friends is FACT, no one in the field can match him in executive success. Not Cain and certainly not switch hit Mitt.Imagine Obama next year facing Rick Perry’s personal story and career record. What’s his attack line? He is dumb? Ok, he is dumb enough to be successful. Perhaps we should stop electing super geniuses and give a dumb good ole boy a shot. Just basing that on the results.

runner12

Your flip-floppy past is catching up with you. Even though I would hold my nose and vote for Romney in the general, I have serious doubts as to whether others would follow suit.

People just do not trust him. We would be much better off with someone else as the nominee.

zollistar

Weeks ago I read something that probably explains this.

The 75% are people who are interested in who the candidates are and are paying attention. This explains the shifting numbers among Gingrich, Perry, Bachman and Cain. The number changes come from the 75%.

The 25% are the people who are not really politically active. Because they’re not really paying attention, and they’re Plain Vanilla Republicans, they stick with whom they know.

In my mind, this is another reason we must not allow the Establishment to shove Romney down our throats: Most of us by a large margin don’t want him.

Mark Levin says he’d vote for an orange juice can over Obama. I’d say most of the people I know are in that camp.

But we’re not likely to work hard for an orange juice can. Can someone get that message to the Republican establishment? Please?

the_invisible_hand

By that I mean, in 1964 liberal and moderate Republicans like Rockefeller, Lindsay, *cough* and Romney refused to endorse Barry Goldwater.

I’m not saying it is right, but I sense that it is possible that if Romney wins just because the field is fractured that conservatives will refuse to endorse or work for Romney.

I could see people like Gov. Haley and Sen. Demint not feeling they could politically face their constituents after backing Romney.

The more Romney flips and flops the more it is becoming untenable for the more staunch conservatives to back him and look their constituents in the eye.

Romney is not like McCain. While it is true that most conservatives had major problems with John McCain, he was a war hero and perceived as a man of integrity by most. Romney is not seen as any of those things. He is the ultimate opportunist who has not held one belief that he hasn’t sold out at one time or another for political gain.

itsmeyask

My papa said that no matter how well you shine a TURD , it still a turd… Take abite, whats it taste like….

anxious4change

All my friends know I’ve vowed to work for whatever campaign it ends up being UNLESS it’s Romney. Then, I’ll just go vote, because I have to vote against Obama. But I would not feel enthusiastic enough to volunteer my time for him.

Why aren’t they listening to us????

sethellis

You contradict yourself. On one hand you point out that 75% of the primary electorate does not trust him, but then claim they don’t know much about him.

Fact of the matter is that Romney has the highest familiarity rating of any candidate in the primary. He’s been on the national stage longer and he’s been attacked throughly. He has already been successfully labeled a flip flopper. Of all the candidate nobody has had their narrative more clearly defined by the electorate than Romney. That makes him the least susceptible to attack ads.

Ads can change the narrative, but Romney’s narrative has already been defined in the way his opponents would like. Despite this he sill garners the most support. To defeat him something else has to give because flip flopper alone isn’t doing it. Perhaps field consolidation will be enough, but I believe someone else has to prove to the electorate that they would be a more effective president.

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

Ausonius

I do not interpret his decision – with Gingrich’s – as running toward the media.

Such a style of debate will NOT be the idiotic sound-bite feeding frenzy that the MSM wants, to make everything sound like a schoolyard shouting match and to dumb down everyone and everything.

Cain and Gingrich are to be admired for refusing to continue with such moronism.

The whole charade of “debating” more than 2 people with 30-second time limits tells only how astonishingly stupid Americans and its media have become.

izoneguy

I wonder what George Will would think of the Ryan Larsen dairies….
I am beginning to think that Ryan Larsen is really Mitt’s pen name…..

zollistar

And you might be right. I will say this, however:

Tea Partiers have (already) achieved two things that are important:

1. Helped give “religion” to some Republicans; and
2. Give courage to the Ted Cruzes, Richard Mourdocks, Josh Mandels et al who are willing to run. These people know we have their backs.

An example: Scott Brown got a lot of help and support to wrest Massachusetts’ long-held senate seat away from the Dems. He turned out to be Republican Extra-Lite (which, btw, did not surprise me). I hope Senator Brown was just a tad dismayed to learn that tea partiers were not going to make it a point to work for him in this election cycle. Oh, he might get some help, but he’s not getting broad-based support or many boots-on-the-ground.

I think Congressman Michael Grimm in Staten Island got the same message. We’ll see.

My point: Tea partiers will send this kind of message to a lot of people. Some will vote conservative because they want to hold on to their seats. It’s not a great reason, but I’ll settle. But some among the elected are honest conservatives who will vote right no matter what.

Net result? Soon enough, more men and women will come to realize that it’s safe to be a conservative.

Because it is.

zollistar

Many want a real conservative and will make it a point to turn out for him or her.

btw, I think Gingrich would wipe the floor up with Obama in the debates to come.

Just sayin’

zollistar

I went to the Republican headquarters in Manhattan to watch the returns.

Wowee!!!

btw, I lived barely a block away from the Republican HQ on East 83rd Street.(I live further away now.) Never once did I darken its door.

Didn’t see any reason to. I’m a conservative.

G_Schertz

I have no doubt that Romney would be deft in the politics of the presidency. What I doubt is whether he offers our country any genuine leadership in a moment so many have lost their direction. 3 years of ambiguous Hope and Change have left many of my friends and family depressed about the future.

I don’t want 4 more years of Obama, Obama-Lite, or Not-Obama. It’s not even enough to promise 4 years of Undo-Obama. I want our Republican president to stand up for conservative government: for real and lasting tax, spending, budget and bureaucracy reforms, not just to cut and lower, but to offer more streamlined and accountable alternatives.

Cain, Gingrich, and Perry could be that president. Romney, at least how he stands today, will not.

retire05

a Tea Party organization did and invited Cain and Gingrich.

Why give the man credit for what he didn’t do?

tnguy

I’d rather lose with a conservative than have Romney win. I have no interest in voting for left wing republicans, nor in seeing them soil the party and have someone like Romney be the media’s “conservative” for the next 4 years.

Republicans had both houses and the Presidency a decade ago, and government scope and power (and its budget) increased significantly. It’s not getting a republican, nor is it just getting someone in the WH other than Obama. It’s about getting this country back on the right track, and we can’t possibly do that if we aren’t willing to clean up the mess in our own party. Nominating Romney just reinforces everything that’s already wrong with the Republican party.

conservativeparrothead

To the independent voter. Secession, “dont believe in science” and the inability to really articulate his point to voters via the debate. Of these two, Newt has a much better chance to overcome the labels once people watch and listen to him in the Presidential debates, especially if Obama were to take him up on the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

The question about his jobs plan and quite frankly its one that every candidate needs to answer. How many jobs did he bring back from overseas?

http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

What part of Mitt Romney will lose do the party elite not understand?

If there’s one consistent theme among 3/4 of GOP voters, it’s that they don’t want Mitt Romney. Even if Romney secures the nomination, at best his support will be so tepid that his campaign slogan will be “Vote for Romney, because anybody is better than Obama”. That’s not a winning formula.

A signifcant percentage of the GOP base (tea party, etc…) just won’t be able to pull the lever for John McCain 2.0. They just won’t.

Maybe that’s only 10% or even just 5%, but it’s a real number. And given how close this race will probably be, that will be more than enough to tip the election to Obama.

Maybe George Will has finally awakened to reality. Romney won’t lead the party to triumph. He’ll fracture the party.

The 2010 elections should be a reminder that tea partiers are madder at the GOP than they are at the Democrats. When the other team (Democrats) beat you, you work harder to win next time. When your own teammates (GOP establishment) stabs you in the back, you get mad as hell, then you get even.

A Romney nomination would be viewed as theGOP establishment stabbing the tea party in the back.

johnt

and you’ll know who they want the nomination to go to. The least negatively covered candidate is Romney, case closed. Even if elected he will only be the NY Times water carrier. If nominated I can just see him having a sit down with Times editors, which will be described as “fruitful”.

notpropagandized

NayNay. Happily vote for Mitt and it will mobilize TeaParty folks even more to get a properly polished conservative in later. Obama is racing to irretrievably Chicago-Institutionalize Democrats and Unions into government the way unrepealable funding was built into Obamacare.

You’re dealing with dangerous people in ObamaPelosiReid and the armies of autocratic socialists and cronies. There is a purge in USGovt underway right now cleaning out bureaucrats and replace with committed leftists. I want you to know this is serious ssht going on and definitely not to be trifled with. Obama MUST be defeated.

He’s in a race THIS TERM to lock in his nanny state systems. He see’s that there’s a good chance he won’t have 8 years to do it. THE WORST thing to happen is to give Obama and his minions 4 years of LAME DUCK tyranny.

cwilson

“My biggest concern … is that Democrats and outright leftists will show up at Republican primaries and caucuses to vote for Rick Perry.”

So what? This sort of “Operation Chaos” sounds like fun for the perpetrators — it certainly was for our side back in 2008 — but just as then, it has great potential to backfire on them: some of “us” crossed over and voted for Zero in the primaries, because he’d be easier to beat in the general — or the prolonged, bloody battle would weaken whoever won — making $republican-candidate’s job easier. And, indeed, the battle went all the way to the Dem convention, where rumors of superdelegates switching sides in smoke-filled rooms abounded.

That worked out well, didn’t it?

Same thing here: I don’t think Perry is as weak as you seem to believe. (And “Romney is the only electable Republican” — good God, man, that must be some really GOOD stash you’re smoking).

It’s obvious you are a Romney shill, whereas I despise the flip floppin’ “What will it take to get you into this car today?” smarmy salesman. However, in the immortal words of Instapundit, I’ll vote “for a syphilitic camel over Barack Obama” — so I’ll get out the heavy duty nose plugs and RUN to the polls to vote for Mittens. If it comes to that. Why? Because I love my country, and four more years of Chairman Mao will destroy it.

Can you say the same, if Perry is the nominee? I think that says more about YOU than it does about the candidates.

zollistar

Excerpt from Neil Munro 10/28/11 Daily Caller article:

“Overall, Obama?s strategy is to use his war chest to paint his eventual GOP opponent as untrustworthy, out of touch and unacceptable, and to win a man-to-man, knock-down, drag-out mud fight in a few critical swing states. The election, say Democrats, will be a choice, not a referendum on Obama?s record.”

Romney scores 100% on all three points. He’s not trustworthy, is out-of-touch and most unacceptable.

btw, I’m beginning to really like Newt. He could — and would — really take on Obama. Newt doesn’t need a teleprompter for his debates. Not too sure about Obama….

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/experts-begin-to-doubt-obamas-re-electability/#ixzz1c6mpbYQo

Scope

No insult to our conservative members from NH, but I can’t put to much faith in a state that I am now reading wants to allow civil unions between “sibilings.” It appears that those that are supporting that measure are already the product of some of those sibiling unions.

retire05

Romney 34%
Guiliani 16%
McCain 16%
Huckabee 6%
Thompson 5%

In the primary, McCain defeated Romney by 6%, 37% to 31%

In the general election, NH voted Obama.

acat

Ron Paul?

Don’t make me … too late!

Mew

adamd

At this point in 2008 Giuliani had a huge lead and it evaporated. Why did he have such a big lead? The simple answer is name recognition. Giuliani was ?America?s Mayor? and it was not well known that he was pro-abortion. That is the same reason Romney is doing well, his name is the most recognizable of the candidates. However, despite having the most name recognition he still does not crack 25% in polls. Once there is an onslaught of ads comparing Romneycare to Obamacare and ads showing he has flip flopped on abortion he will be in trouble. He was not labeled a flip flopper in 2008. The candidates did not focus their attacks on him in 2008.

acat

Romney isn’t a conservative.

If such a bluejeans-fearing leading light of the establishment doesn’t like Romney .. take note.

Mew

sunshinek67

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iidvbii

Though I would ask, when did science become a faith based proposition? Isn’t science supposed to be the unblinking search for truth? Do you really believe that non libtards subscribe to the idea that science is somehow a religion that requires non demonstrated belief? I doubt that’s the case. I also believe that once the “he said she said” crap is done. People have to stand in a booth alone and decide who is actually going to be the best for the country? By any reasonable measure that is Perry. Eagle scout, Air Force veteren, two decades of successful leadership and the best record on the true issues the country faces. Jobs and economics. Perry has put in the time, made the milestones. He is the only person in the field that can honestly say he has done the heavy lifting and paid the dues neccessary to actually deserving the job. Perry has earned his shot.
He deserves it, let’s recognize that.

sunshinek67

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carolina

shortly before the NH primary. All of their names were listed. It was an impressive show of power.
They decided to ‘save’ Romney for later. I presume they saw the handwriting on the wall (knew there would be a dem wave in 2008).

carolina

shortly before the NH primary. All of their names were listed. It was an impressive show of power.
They decided to ‘save’ Romney for later. I presume they saw the handwriting on the wall (knew there would be a dem wave in 2008).

sunshinek67

Interesting. My thread should have just read “how” McCain pulled that off. Well, the GOP establishment seems to be coalescing around Mitt Romney this go around.

Aside from state legislators, like Florida, the US Congressional supporters make me wonder what weight they carry, if any at all, with their own collective poll numbers hovering around 9%~

conservativeparrothead

This education may be about jobs, but like I said, I would love to see the amount of jobs that have come from overseas back to Texas? Texas ranked 45th (which is good) is per capita income taxes when he came to office, it still ranks 45th. Sounds like someone else did the heavy lifting?

Education will be a major issue in this campaign and education record while he was Governor has not been good (not his fault necessarily, but again can he articulate in a debate the reasons its not his fault other than too many illegals).

Dont get me wrong, I like Governor Perry, if he is the nominee I’d gladly cast my vote for him in 2012, If you are talking swinging independents I dont think he gets it done, his record across the board is too easy to attack and like I said, he cant defend it.

Health Care? Tort Reform…that is his answer in every debate, even though in Texas they have among the highest health care costs in the nation.

gekster

Romney predicts the St. Louis Rangers will win tonight.

avagreen

Maybe he is. LOL!

He surely needs someone to speak for him: why not himself?

center77

to wills statement. Conservative have a chance to go ubersexual small government with a plan like Perry’s, but we are playing around with inexperienced Candidates or blue bloodshed like Romney. Cain is just now figuring out who he is, but conservative are pulling the same thing as liberals did and pick a inexperienced spewing candidate because his speeches excite, that’s what Obama was about. we can sell Perrys plan, because liberalism is not working, but many are being presumptuous when they say he cannot debate Obama. Two people on stage, he will do fine, all he has to say is Obama is wrong, Texas is proof of that. Conservative are letting Fox play them, and Cain is their tool.

iidvbii

I can certainly see that you have taken the time to educate yourself on the figures and issues. I am happy to see that, only wish more people did. Elections would be much easier.

Education:
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-high-schools/rankings/gold-medal-list
Would it surprise you to learn that 4 of the top 16 high schools in the US are in Texas? That’s right one quarter of them are ours. If you take the time to research school rankings you will find that Texas is actually beating California and the all mighty Wisconsin in minority scores across the board. As well as 3rd through 6th as well as 8th through 10th grade scores over all. I think that is a story that should be told.
Healthcare is directly related to illegal immigration. All people in Texas have access to care, as is required by federal law. What makes us different from say Mitt Romney is that we don’t require tax payers to provide full care for illegals. We don’t have romneys precursor to Obama care in Texas.
I can appreciate that Perry hasn’t done the best job of inspiring you, he certainly hasn’t done the best job explaining the positives of our record. But please take a moment. Do a little research and find out that we are doing very well in these areas against the nation despite our disadvantages of having a federal government that refuses to do its job and secure the border and deport the illegals.
Did you know that Texas spent 420 million dollars of our own money last year fighting the border war? Look it up, I think you my find a little more hope in Perry than you expect.

Just saying.

Ausonius

Greetings!

I had heard on the news that he was involved in organizing it.

IF not, I stand corrected. In any case, I do not believe it shows him “running toward” the MSM.

I see that it is being held in Texas: where is Mr. Perry therefore? I would think that he might actually show himself competent as a debater, if he participated in a forum that made sense, as opposed to the meshuggah 30-second sound-bite nonsense.

carolina

There was no TEA party to shake up the established GOP structure back in 2008. I’m not sure how much that has changed, even now.
Mitt has been groomed by the GOP elite since the 90′s (that I personally know of) No telling when it started (likely before he ever ran for Gov). Remember, his father was a MI gov. Shades of W and Jeb (sameo sameo)

Scope

Your post is very unclear. Who arranged the LD style debates, and were any other candidates invited to participate in those style debates? You ask where is Perry, was he invited? I have no clue how this whle thing came about. Please provide the info.

Scope

Thanks for more anti-Perry spin when you talk about something you don’t know anything about. The debate was only opened to Cain and Romney and according to the Tea Part Patriots, they wanted no other debaters on the stage. Nice try.

swami7774

Old news.

swami7774

Not the column, the Dukakis analogy. Last Sunday.

heraklios

than Romney. Romney would be among the weakest GOP candidates anyway, but even if he managed to win, he would destroy the credibility of the Republican Party for a generation. With Romney in the White House, we lose Congress in 2014 and don’t recover it until God knows when.

If the doofuses in the country see fit to make this Obama vs. Romney, then I’ll go fishing on election day as will millions of conservatives.

rightwingmom52

From National Review here.

?We initially wanted a forum with all of the candidates,? O?Sullivan says. ?But when we heard Gingrich say he wanted a more serious debate, like the Lincoln?Douglas debates, we wanted to do that, especially since watching the recent superficial debates has been frustrating.?

Organizing the event was relatively easy, he adds. ?We had a relationship with Herman Cain. He spoke at our tea-party event six months ago. We contacted him, asking if he was interested in a Lincoln?Douglas debate on entitlements. Then we got in touch with Speaker Gingrich.?

tngal

You’re a good man Charlie Brown. I argued once on this board that Obama getting in was the (almost) greatest thing that could happen to the conservative movement and by extension the republican party.

We were doing such a slow creep to the left it wasn’t funny. Im-measurable to some but noticable to others. Obama gets in and turns the wheels hard left. Country blazes fast forward heading for the nasty “Cliff of Lost Freedoms”. People’s voices started to rise. O in the drivers seat, Nancy riding shotgun.

The O is going for a scorched earth policy now. Sidestepping congress by using executive memos on things he wants. Nancy may be in the backseat taking a breather, but Reid is capable at reading the map. Let him in for 4 more.. I always anticipated the big rallies. The more he does…the more people shift to this side of the highway.

Scope

my bad.

heraklios

I agree with you completely. I’ve talked to people recently who are lifelong hardcore Democrats and even they recognize now that we need a change.

4 more years of Obama will bring mean the dollar is replaced as the world’s reserve currency; inflation making the 1970s look like a picnic; a huge drop in standard of living for the majority of Americans; and possibly civil disorder across the country on a scale we haven’t seen since the 1860s.

But you know what? If we elect Democrat-lite/Obama-lite Romney to go along with wishy-washy moderate centrists John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Mitch McConnell, we will be in the same place anyway. The policies adopted by this crew and Romney won’t be enough to change the trajectory our country is on now.

We can only save America by electing a true conservative who will cut spending (a lot); restore a sense of personal responsibility in the country and get capital working and people working again. I don’t know if Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, or Perry can beat Boehner/McConnell/Cantor/Pelosi/Reid into submission and get conservative policy passed, but I do know with 100% certainty that Romney can’t.

aesthete

Government spending increased by 25% from Bush II’s first term to his second, and doubled in size during his eight years in office. True, Obama has managed to grow government even faster, but Bush was no slouch in that department.

Romney is the worst thing that could happen to conservatives and Republicans, IMO.

tngal

Knuckle bump, hip bump, belly bump (after this is just gets lewd so we better just wave and walk away)

Ausonius

Thanks to “Rightwingmom” for finding the information!

My question about Perry contained no agenda: I was looking for information! And here I learned that a Texas Tea Party group organized it, and so I thought it odd that Governor Perry was not involved!

My question was not “anti-Perry” by any means: please read carefully, Mr. Scope!

Tone is difficult to assess, on the Internet especially.

gekster

You wouldn’t/couldn’t know, but it pays to be acurate.

tngal

helped in the gov’t spending part. I had a couple of other issues with him too. What is it with this last decade and a half.

There are open road courses.even in NASCAR. Not everything has to be a left turn.

Scope

it was to the very same article that rightwingmom linked to. And yes, as gekster pointed out, I am of the female gender.

Ausonius

As you can tell, I am skimming through RedState things right now, and have not had time to follow links yet.

One of the many, many weaknesses of the RedState site is the inability to contact members through a background message system, or the ability to edit mistakes. I am a member of a few other sites, one on classical music, which is most exemplary in its organization and “interactively friendly” nature. It has one-step “buttons” for easily inserting e.g. YouTube videos, or quotes, or links, without “HTML” hassles.

snowshooze

I am pleased he is bringing this out in a big way.

JSobieski

Or at a minimum, shows that labels like “establishment” are of limited value.

Romney is an what many would call an establishment RINO.
George Will is what many would call an establishment RINO.

Over the past two years, many seem convinced that there is some cabal out there known as the “establishment” that is constantly trying to subvert and subdue true conservatism.

So is this just a false denunciation? A sign of a true rift among the establishment types? Or evidence that the GOP “establishment” is fairly useless as a label.

We have seen non-establishment conservative supporters of Cain and Perry shred each other online for months now. It seems that only thing conservatives agree on is that we must unite against the establishment. Well?

redster

Did I read right? George Will is criticising Mitt for examining the data?

Too funny!

perry4prez

“If there were a flip-flopping Olympic event, Mitt would get the gold medal and Kerry would not even show” – funny that everyone critized Kerry for being so pro-France during the Iraq war but Romney LIVED in France when he was a Mormon Missionary!!! Maybe he and Kerry both picked up some French values there.

perry4prez

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perry4prez

There are Establishment types out there who like Romney ideologically because they think he’s a Moderate but who can’t get over the Mormonism. That is why they were pushing Christie to get in, he was ideologically a RINO like Romney but not a Mormon. These are people want to drink wine at their state dinner invitations like that couple who crashed the State Dinner with the Indian president a few years ago.

JSobieski

than the the other improbably explanations.

You are saying that when push comes to shove, the GOP establishment (something George Will is certainly a part of if such a a Cabal exists) would speak out against the only other candidate who is clearly part of the establishment because that candidate is a Mormon?

This is why conspiracy theories are harmful. People start to bend reason itself just to keep up constructs that are of little value at best and are darnright misleading at worst.

If the GOP establishment dislikes Mormonism, shouldn’t the establishment be supporting Non-Romney alterantives who are actually running?

Or is it just George Will, that DC persona so well known for being religion first and reason second, just particularly strong in his anti-Mormonism?

Or maybe its just a bunch of UFO’s using mind control?

don12345

And speaking of flip-flops…

Obama is the king of flip-floppery, he taught Romney how it is done. Voting present 95% of the time as a senator was not making your voice be heard it was speaking out of the side of your mouth both ways.

Whenever a politician or a lawyer makes it to the pearly gates, the gatekeeper always responds, “You finally saw the light and flip-flopped on your old position I see.”

I’d rather have someone as President that blinks every once in a while to rethink a bad position before certain doom falls upon us because of it. Steady and Stupid are two words with only 4 letters of difference.

don12345

“The inevitability of Mitt is a media creation”

Yep, Romney has been acting far and away more Presidential than Obama in debates, stumping, and speaking, and all of that was shown on the Internet and Television which is the media, so therefore, the inevitability of Mitt must have been a media creation.

If only, everyone turned off their TVs and never gotten the Internet, no one would never think Romney was inevitably going to beat Barack Obama.

don12345

“A signifcant percentage of the GOP base (tea party, etc?) just won?t be able to pull the lever for John McCain 2.0. They just won?t.”

Wait a minute… the only difference between Cain and McCain is McCain’s roots were Irish.

don12345

“But the biggest problem with Mitt is that despite his personal convictions, he stands only for getting elected.”

If you mean that his only core conviction is getting elected so this century will be an American century, where do I sign up?

don12345

And speaking of flip-flops…

Obama is the king of flip-floppery, he taught Romney how it is done. Voting present 95% of the time as a senator was not making your voice be heard it was speaking out of the side of your mouth both ways.

defendtherepublic

look at the other side. They have the weakest candidate in decades. While the media tries to portray the GOP debaters as a survivor cast, the end match is already set. We know the opponent. The country does too.

Our primary contest allows us to pick the best candidate to oppose what is being presented. Anyone of them can “speak” in opposition to Obama’s proposals. It would help if that candidate’s past positions/actions do not support Obama’s proposals. Furthermore, the candidate with a positive message will prove worthy against the anti-profit, anti-success, anti-positive message being presented. America doesn’t want to keep blaming someone; they want the chance to succeed. We need to nominate the candidate who wants it to succeed; not just the one who wants to be president.

That is why we don’t settle for whomever “seems” inevitable. We do not chase inevitability or else we cease to matter. I agree with anxious that the media is scared because they don’t know who will be picked; they fear that it will not be Romney.

don12345

former House Speaker Newt Gingrich added his voice to the criticism of Romney?s health care plan.

?Your plan essentially is one more big government bureaucratic high cost system which candidly could not have been done by any other state because no other state had a Medicare program as lavish as yours, and no one got a grant from the Bush administration for this experiment,? Gingrich charged.

?Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you,? Romney replied.

?You did not get that from me,? Gingrich insisted. ?You got it from the Heritage Foundation.?

?And you never supported it?? Romney asked.

?I absolutely did ? with the Heritage Foundation ? against Hillarycare,? Gingrich admitted.

?OK, that?s what I?m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation,? Romney concluded.

Yep, Gingrich is a great debater, when Obama attacks him he’ll tell them Obama was actually right.

don12345

“he would destroy the credibility of the Republican Party”

The Whig Party is dead because over a hundred years ago, no Whig Party candidate could get elected or re-elected and so everyone jumped ship. A political party dies when no candidate can get elected. Lincoln saw the writing on the wall and so even though he once was a Whig, he soon left that party.

don12345

Even though McCain was a career politician and had run once before, he was weak because he couldn’t debate, couldn’t stump, and picked Sarah Palin even before the Tea Party even was thought of yet in hopes of helping his bad polling numbers. Sarah Palin knew he was going to lose so went “Rogue” leaving McCain in the dust. Obama ran circles around McCain at the debates by speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Obama was ahead in the polls so all he had to do was remain on top. So whenever McCain would say something to try to gain new votes, Obama would repeat exactly what McCain would say to steal the votes back. McCain didn’t know what to do against a professional flip-flopper and lost miserably. In 2008 Obama would keep saying how we should stay above all this political fighting, all the while attacking McCain ruthelessly in Campaign attack Ads.

don12345

McCain was so weak in 2008, he had to recruit all of the other Republican presidential candidates to pile on Romney in order to win, and he still almost lost to Romney before he even got to Florida. McCain was taking out credit cards to finance his campaign with millions loaned to his campaign.

don12345

“Corporal Cueball knows that Obama is weak and that Romney will not fire up the conservative base, just like McCain failed to do.”

Hey against Obama 2.0 that we see today, I would take a McCain anyday. McCain got slaughtered against Obama 1.0. McCain against Obama 2.0 would have a fighting chance.

don12345

“Ads will convince the Republican electorate to rally behind one candidate to stop Romney. Much like the Democrats rallied behind John Kerry to stop Howard Dean.”

You do realize that Kerry lost. I don’t think you meant to use that example. It is like saying something in the same way Perry showed that Galileo was proven correct.

don12345

“Then, once inaugurated, I think Romney will pull a Bill Clinton and say: ?Instead of repealing Obamacare, I think we can fix the things that are objectionable to the American people?.”

If Romney can figure out how to make Obamacare free, I’m all ears.

westbrook348

Hear me out on this, and please don’t misunderstand me.

Sure Romney wouldn’t lead us off the cliff the way Obama has been. The policies he would impelement wouldn’t be nearly as bad as what we’ve had to endure over the last 3 years. That’s not my point.

Y’all are right that Romney won’t make the hard decisions to reform entitlements, repeal Obamacare, cut spending. Look at his argument with Perry over Social Security. Using a direct analysis he would be better than Obama, but not by much, and he wouldn’t impelement the change we need to save this country.

And so, in the long run, 5-10 years from now, after the Romney presidency has come and gone, and presided over a mess that he doesn’t understand or know how to fix, including a debt that has ballooned to over $20 trillion, he will have given the conservative cause such a terrible name. We might see a repeat of 2008 (when people were so fed up with Bush that they elected a loser like Obama), but to a more extreme degree. The anti-GOP sentiment will be off the charts. Romney will have given the free market and capitalism such a bad reputation, that he might just usher in an era of true socialism. Nationalized health care, nationalized banks, nationalized energy sector. And a third world living standard with a diminished currency.

That’s how Romney could end up being worse than Obama.

don12345

As it stands right now, I agree that Romney will not listen to the Tea Party and social conservatives when elected, because they aint voting for him. Love is a mutual thing. If this wasn’t so, Obama could count on Republicans to reelect him.

goformitt

The TV ads have started here. I must say, Perry does look good in the ads. Of course some of us know enough to see through them, but for the many who are just tuning in, they make him look pretty good – better than the debates any way (not that that is hard

The Cain ads are just plain odd. They are generating talk, but the response is just curiosity. I think they are ineffective at moving votes. Cain’s flip-flops on abortion will probably be enough to sink him in Iowa. His utter ignorance about the geo-political world will sink him elsewhere.

Ron Paul’s ads are actually most convincing. If he were to flip-flop on his more controversial issues I actually think he would be a real threat. But, alas, a man of character won’t flip-flop. Too bad for him I guess.

Mitt flipped on global warming today – something that is just salt in the wound. I’m still supporting him but its getting harder to do so.

onemovoter

Right before the world series started. They said that Romney changed his mind and said the St. Louis Rangers would win tonight, instead of the Texas Cardinals.

Yes that’s right that’s how they put it. Just so Romney could be right on both counts even though the names and teams were mixed.

This flip will flop Romney’s campaign, especially since ‘goformitt’ is even having a problem with the flip-flop on here.

perry4prez

“If the GOP establishment dislikes Mormonism, shouldn?t the establishment be supporting Non-Romney alterantives who are actually running?”

Only if the Non-Romney alternatives are palatable to the establishment .

Why do you think so many establishment types were pressuring Christie to get into the race even though his views are the same as Romneys and he has less Executive experience?

theagent

“Republicans are happy to support him”– where on God’s green Earth did you, Erickson, get this? When did you and your ego become the spokesmen for republicans? (I mean the people who vote, not the rotten republican establishment). I imagine your pragmatist instinct does not like the fact that I will NOT vote for Romney– no matter what. Even if it means four more years of hell under Obama. I will NEVER vote for someone who has no character, like Romney. In fact Obama at least has the fortitude to stand by his socialist beliefs, whereas Romney would gladly become a Marxist if he thought it would land him in the White House. Erickson, you are way out of line if you think (most) republicans will support Romney, let alone “happily.” That statement is absurd. Romney winning the republican nomination is the only route to Obama’s reelection.

Christine (Trelaina)

I will NOT vote for Romney? no matter what. Even if it means four more years of hell under Obama.

Seriously? I won’t be voting for Romney in the primaries for sure, but if by some chance he gets the nomination, I’ll walk over hot coals to vote for him so we get Obama OUT.

You’d rather have someone in office who will happily ignore Congress and pass his Marxist, America-destroying vision via Executive Order and “The Secretary Shall Determine…”??

I don’t want President Romney. If we get GOP Candidate Romney, I’ll be shouting from the rooftops that there is a major, horrific problem with our primary process that needs a complete revamp. But we can fight Romney if we have to…a re-energized Obama who thinks his mandate has been reaffirmed? I don’t want to live in that world, and I don’t want my children to face that future.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…on global warming.

uncmike

Thanks to all who replied to my post about the damage the collective of Romney/McConnell/Boehner would do. You greatly amplified the point I was trying to make. Should Obama win again while we take the Senate and Hold the House, I think conservatism would live to fight another day. However, if Romney were to win while we hold the House and take the Senate, I fear that they would continue Washington’s liberal, tax-and-spend ways since Romney, McConnell and Boehner clearly disdain conservatives who constitute the tea party movement. Romney would fit right in to the Republican establishment.

miconservative

to find out what he stands for. No freaking way in hades can I support this guy. We conservatives fought too long and too hard after the 2006 and 2008 debacles to re-establish hegemony in the GOP to allow the party to nominate a candidate who stands for nothing, and certainly is not a conservative. The establishment will try and force him down our throats and tell us it will be better than Obama. Slightly maybe, but will lead to the long term destruction of the conservative movement as his moderation will not fix our problems, things will get worse and conservatives will be blamed. Vote NO on Romney and YES to conservatism. Rick Perry is the only candidate putting forward a true conservative vision for the future and has a track record to prove he means it.

http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

It was late deciding independents that put McCain over the top in the 2008 NH GOP Presidential primary. Most registered Republicans supported Romney.

http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

The Manchester Union Leader endorsed John McCain. McCain was elected by late deciding independents.

http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

In the NH Legislature every bill gets a hearing. The Speaker or Committee Chair can’t stop a bill from getting a hearing. That is why some crazy bills end up in the news. They are doubts this bill will pass the NH House.

http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

Michele Bachmann to get out of the race. If Romney wins Iowa it is over.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

At some point you just don’t matter. And the idea that Iowa picks the nominee is la ughable given its poor track record.

theagent

I will never vote for someone like Romney who has no real principles. Of course I understand the need to occasionally compromise, but not to this level. There is basically no difference between Romney and Obama– they are equally void of character. In fact, Obama seems to be more principled by sticking to his chore socialist beliefs through thick and thin. Compromising chore principles is what got us into this mess and we are now in need of fundamental, drastic, “extreme” change. How did we get to the point where our constitution is routinely ignored?– as if we cannot discern the plain language of this founding document? In order to truly save this country we need strong leadership (with Perry). Supporting Romney will get us more of the slow slide into ruin. Just more of the same, and it will be our fault.

I’d rather have four more years of Obama than a “republican” president like Romney. With Obama continuing in office the pain will be greater than ever, and perhaps we will bottom out and go bankrupt. Perhaps it will result in a period of anarchy and revolution. Who knows? It cannot continue, under God, as it is now. Sometimes we need to experience pain to be truly awakened. I do not want it, but I do not want to go in the same direction, only slower, under a so-called republican president. Our founding fathers would not have compromised on many of today’s issues, as do so many republicans today who have not our founder’s morals or character. Our founders were the extremists of their day. I’m done with pragmatism for the sake of holding off, for yet a little longer, the reckoning that’s due.

What if Romney had been elected in 1980 instead of Reagan? We may still be living under the threat of mutually-assured destruction with the Soviet Union, and we would not have experienced the economic rebirth Reagan’s leadership provided. Things may have been only slightly better, and the MSM would have had republicans to blame for the continuing economic problems and Cold War. No thanks. Our country is in a far more dangerous position now than it was in 1980, so either we right the ship or sink. Voting for Romney will only plug some holes and the ship will still sink with a “republican” at the helm.

paulplantowin

At least Obama is a Marxist Democrat – so we can fight him by contrasting his ideas with conservative ideas.
With BigGovSquishRepublicanEstablishmentElites running DC we would be, in many ways, worse off.
True – they aren’t anti-American, but we would be handcuffed to defend against their ways.
This election is CRITICAL in TWO arenas.
It is obviously a referendum on Obama – all R’s see that.
BUT – it is also a referendum on RINO Establishment types- if Romney wins the establishment will think it VALIDATES THEM, and they will conclude that the TEA PARTY is done.
IMO that is as much a concern as Obama Returns.

Christine (Trelaina)

-nt-

Stan

He’s the Republican version of Clinton. And I honestly don’t know if Romney is electable – his main theme would have to be “I suck less than Obama.”, and you know that the fools in the MSM would turn on him after the nomination, pointing out all of the flip-flops.

That being said, a malleable, milquetoast, flip-flopping Romney would be better than Mr. Obama, by a country mile.

Thomas_Alan

Is that really all Will has? Looking for a flimsy excuse to justify that Dukakis comment last Sunday much?

Carol Tarasewicz

In the 2004 election, there was a site, I think it was the GOP website that had entire history of Kerry flip flops. They kept the ammo until it was needed, Kerry looked French so they pulled out a picture of Kerry in a beret, etc. I used to get the Weekly Standard and thought it might be from there but it would have been a writer that passed away in 2008, Dean Barnett. He did not write for TWS then.
I am sure it was the GOP webiste, but it’s seven years later now and they erased that. I was hysterically funny.

BTW- I read comments this week that Fox has become more left, I usually have it on in the background, it has become more left leaning, especially with Perry bashing.

I wonder how Matthews will slam Rick tomorrow on FNS? I’m sure he’s got his attack ready.

packeryman

Romney is the only candidate that can carry the Independent vote needed to win. We Independents will not vote for bible thumping religious fanatics or tea bagging lunatics or candidates supported by the same. They have proven to the American public they cannot govern with the debacle taking place in the House after the GOP take over with the 2010 election. Cain may look good to the far right but he will become history with his one dog and pony show, the flawed 9-9-9 plan. Perry is a bust , just as Fred Thompson was. Now the guy thinks he should not have been in the debates(how was he going to stand up to Obama). His flat tax with the option to opt out is complete insanity. Both are backed by the far right, that Independents can’t support. Romney can carry the Independents, some Republicans that don’t like Obama, moderate Republicans, and some far right that don’t want to stand by and watch Obama be reelected. The far right don’t seem to have the street savvy to understand the Independents or maybe their elevators don’t run to the top when it comes to winning elections. If you are doubtful of the above statements , stand by and watch the GOP go in to chaos if they nominee a religious fanatic or a tea bagging crazie or a candidate supported by the same.Romney is the GOP’s only hope against Obama.

gekster

or do you just spew.
All of your asertions are wrong.

packeryman

How can you say my assertions are wrong? Perry is at 7% and if you lived in TX you would know that Perry has many issues that are negative baggage yet to be vetted. His tax plan is crazy, you can’t let the wealthy and corporate opt out because they can afford tax lawyers. He is a disaster in debates, he has been here in TX also, but he has enough of the far right to carry him here but not the nation. Watch, Cain will go nowhere, he in trouble now with a harassment issue and the flawed 9-9-9 plan.Is your head in the sand? Romney stays consistently up in polls and that leaves out the Independents. The GOP has to have Independents, no matter what Limbaugh says.Polls show he is the only candidate that can beat Obama. The far right is out to lunch.

notpropagandized

Just b/c RonPaul is not electable and he thinks at light speed while only speaking shrilly at incomprehensible human speed does not mean we should ignore his contributions. He’s been right on a number of things for a long time and did not wait until the problems became catastrophic to voice objections. The TeaParty organized long after his messages were summarily disregarded.

Granted, he does not impress as a compelling movement leader. We should give him respect. But that’s still FUNNY.

notpropagandized

EricOdom reminded me this morning how Newt has slept with the enemy way too much. It is disappointing but true. Newt really is a talented intellect and articulator. He should be White House Chief os Staff..

I’m down to deciding between HermanCain and RickPerry. I see Perry making a comeback, but not sure it’ll be big and timely enough to make a difference. Nice to have Newt to turn to if necessary, but that would be a wild ride for however long he would endure.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Does anyone still take that guy seriously?

notpropagandized

OK. Forget EricOdom.

Newt has slept with the enemy way too much. It is disappointing but true. Newt really is a talented intellect and articulator. He should be White House Chief of Staff.

Now deciding between HermanCain and RickPerry. I see Perry making a comeback, but not sure it?ll be big and timely enough to make a difference. Nice to have Newt to turn to if necessary, but that would be a wild ride for however long he would endure.

If Newt could stay focused on his keen problem-solving rather than occasionally diverting toward impressing himself and others with his cute intellectual rabbit trails of provocative thought, then we’d really have something to talk about. If some discipline could be applied to his analysis and execution, many would stop beating their gums about his significant baggage.

Not to be mean, but a simple diet, weight-loss and exercise project could enhance his charisma and appearance. This offered humbly and sincerely.

acat

Seriously.

Regarding Gingrich, he’s still too clever for his own good, but it’s no surprise to see him rising a bit in the polls, given the distortion in weight given to the candidate dog shows. (ahem, debates)

Losing weight won’t let Newt work a room any better. His rise will be short-lived, but he could still play the role of wise elder… Perry/Gingrich, for instance, would be quite fun to live through, just for the Gingrich-vs-a-dead-possum debate. (ahem, Biden)

Mew

notpropagandized

It was clear from early debates that Gingrich played the role of chaperone and gave us some red meat vs ArrogantMediaTypes. Agreed, very unlikely he’ll advance very far. The pile-on that Perry’s getting looks like it’ll be fatal. http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/10/rick-perry-roasted-on-airwaves-internet-for-bizarre-behavior-described-true-or-not-as-drunken-or-drugged/. AnnCoulter is killing him on immigration is dead wrong about him as is about 70% who got him all wrong at the outset. What a waste.
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acat

nottakingyouseriouslyeither.

Mew

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