he cn debate good and look presidential.

My papa said that no matter how well you shine a TURD , it still a turd… Take abite, whats it taste like….

than Romney. Romney would be among the weakest GOP candidates anyway, but even if he managed to win, he would destroy the credibility of the Republican Party for a generation. With Romney in the White House, we lose Congress in 2014 and don’t recover it until God knows when.

If the doofuses in the country see fit to make this Obama vs. Romney, then I’ll go fishing on election day as will millions of conservatives.

And speaking of flip-flops…

Obama is the king of flip-floppery, he taught Romney how it is done. Voting present 95% of the time as a senator was not making your voice be heard it was speaking out of the side of your mouth both ways.

Whenever a politician or a lawyer makes it to the pearly gates, the gatekeeper always responds, “You finally saw the light and flip-flopped on your old position I see.”

I’d rather have someone as President that blinks every once in a while to rethink a bad position before certain doom falls upon us because of it. Steady and Stupid are two words with only 4 letters of difference.

“Republicans are happy to support him”– where on God’s green Earth did you, Erickson, get this? When did you and your ego become the spokesmen for republicans? (I mean the people who vote, not the rotten republican establishment). I imagine your pragmatist instinct does not like the fact that I will NOT vote for Romney– no matter what. Even if it means four more years of hell under Obama. I will NEVER vote for someone who has no character, like Romney. In fact Obama at least has the fortitude to stand by his socialist beliefs, whereas Romney would gladly become a Marxist if he thought it would land him in the White House. Erickson, you are way out of line if you think (most) republicans will support Romney, let alone “happily.” That statement is absurd. Romney winning the republican nomination is the only route to Obama’s reelection.

Remember when George H.W. Bush was deemed “more electable” than Ronald Reagan? Polls had Carter leading Reagan 60%-40%?

Reagan only went on to win 44 states in 1980 and 49 in 1988!

What part of Mitt Romney will lose do the party elite not understand?

If there’s one consistent theme among 3/4 of GOP voters, it’s that they don’t want Mitt Romney. Even if Romney secures the nomination, at best his support will be so tepid that his campaign slogan will be “Vote for Romney, because anybody is better than Obama”. That’s not a winning formula.

A signifcant percentage of the GOP base (tea party, etc…) just won’t be able to pull the lever for John McCain 2.0. They just won’t.

Maybe that’s only 10% or even just 5%, but it’s a real number. And given how close this race will probably be, that will be more than enough to tip the election to Obama.

Maybe George Will has finally awakened to reality. Romney won’t lead the party to triumph. He’ll fracture the party.

The 2010 elections should be a reminder that tea partiers are madder at the GOP than they are at the Democrats. When the other team (Democrats) beat you, you work harder to win next time. When your own teammates (GOP establishment) stabs you in the back, you get mad as hell, then you get even.

A Romney nomination would be viewed as theGOP establishment stabbing the tea party in the back.

I like Rick Perry’s record on jobs, taxes, and deregulation. I don’t believe that he can beat Obama. Nor can Herman Cain beat Obama.

Perry’s new strategy of ducking debates is going to cost him. Cain hasn’t held any political position for longer than a month. When it comes to flip-flopping, Cain is like Romney on steroids.

But will you be there with me to vote for him if, God help us, he’s nominated? I know you will be. But what about all those people who see Romney as insubstantially different from ObamaPelosiReid?

“But the biggest problem with Mitt is that despite his personal convictions, he stands only for getting elected.”

If you mean that his only core conviction is getting elected so this century will be an American century, where do I sign up?

Corporal Cueball knows that Obama is weak and that Romney will not fire up the conservative base, just like McCain failed to do.

We all know what team Carville is on, so he would NOT be pushing the strongest candidate.

We have at least four candidates who stand an excellent chance against Obama. I don’t care what any unnamed off-the-record insider sources think, Romney is not our last and only hope. I’m not beholden to the inner-circle GOP groupthink, and neither is the electorate.

With Perry a distant third.

Huntsman is the most Democrat of the GOP candidates, which suggests the Democrats are projecting onto the GOP candidates (or showing wishful thinking). That makes me like Romney even less, because its clear that the Democrat Insiders (TM) think he’s beatable or likeable, ergo, not conservative, ergo not representative of conservative GOP.

“My biggest concern is not that Republicans will show up at primaries to vote against Romney, it is that Democrats and outright leftists will show up at Republican primaries and caucuses to vote for Rick Perry.”

Clearly you’re confusing him with Ron Paul. Romney is supported by the same people that ELECTED Obama. In states with primary systems like NH, that’s a real possibility, but it won’t be Perry they vote for, it will be Mitt.

Dems will vote for Romney in primaries because they know that is the most effective way to suppress the conservative vote. Romney has not standing to show the contrast between Obama and the conservative positions. He can talk the talk, but beyond that….???

This debate will go on and on, and who can be certain. But history has proven that when it comes down to the brass tacks, you’d better have a real conservative in there to actually win in the general.

“My biggest concern … is that Democrats and outright leftists will show up at Republican primaries and caucuses to vote for Rick Perry.”

So what? This sort of “Operation Chaos” sounds like fun for the perpetrators — it certainly was for our side back in 2008 — but just as then, it has great potential to backfire on them: some of “us” crossed over and voted for Zero in the primaries, because he’d be easier to beat in the general — or the prolonged, bloody battle would weaken whoever won — making $republican-candidate’s job easier. And, indeed, the battle went all the way to the Dem convention, where rumors of superdelegates switching sides in smoke-filled rooms abounded.

That worked out well, didn’t it?

Same thing here: I don’t think Perry is as weak as you seem to believe. (And “Romney is the only electable Republican” — good God, man, that must be some really GOOD stash you’re smoking).

It’s obvious you are a Romney shill, whereas I despise the flip floppin’ “What will it take to get you into this car today?” smarmy salesman. However, in the immortal words of Instapundit, I’ll vote “for a syphilitic camel over Barack Obama” — so I’ll get out the heavy duty nose plugs and RUN to the polls to vote for Mittens. If it comes to that. Why? Because I love my country, and four more years of Chairman Mao will destroy it.

Can you say the same, if Perry is the nominee? I think that says more about YOU than it does about the candidates.

Ads have a short shelf life, and are only really affective when the electorate knows little about the candidate. Romney cannot be defined by ads in this way because the electorate already knows a lot about him. If his current flip flopping persona hasn’t done him in by that point I doubt ads will make much of a difference.

Remember Bill Clinton promised a middle class tax cut during the campaign and then, once elected, went on this “I’ve worked harder than I ever have in my life and I just can’t do it” kick.

To me, that’s Romney. First, with his waivers, which will expire before the next inauguration anyway. Then, once inaugurated, I think Romney will pull a Bill Clinton and say: “Instead of repealing Obamacare, I think we can fix the things that are objectionable to the American people”.

And a very strong reason to oppose Romney vigorously.
Obama et.al. have taken us too far down to trust wimps like Boehner’s bozo’s and McConnell’s misfits at all!
With Romney in the WH and those two running Congress – too horrible to contemplate.
Can’t say I’m a big G.Will fan overall – but on this anti-Romney stand I’m with him.
Romney really is slightly better than Obama – but throw the other 2 ‘leaders’ in the mix and we lose a huge opportunity to use the anti-obama energy to get our country back.
If guys like Demint, Rubio, etc. ran the republican congress they could hold Romney to the right- but as it stands now? Not good.IMO

Thanks to all who replied to my post about the damage the collective of Romney/McConnell/Boehner would do. You greatly amplified the point I was trying to make. Should Obama win again while we take the Senate and Hold the House, I think conservatism would live to fight another day. However, if Romney were to win while we hold the House and take the Senate, I fear that they would continue Washington’s liberal, tax-and-spend ways since Romney, McConnell and Boehner clearly disdain conservatives who constitute the tea party movement. Romney would fit right in to the Republican establishment.

ObamaCare pushed me into being politically engaged. And Romney is not on my list of 4 either.

I live in NJ, where everyone says there is no way Perry could ever be supported. Of my conservative friends (I’m in a somewhat conservative county compared to the rest of the state), I only know one person who wants Romney. Everyone else makes a face if you mention his name (and not in a good way).

The others are not yet unified behind one guy. They seem to be evenly considering the same 3 I’m OK with (Perry, Gingrich, Cain), but I know quite a few who still like Perry, and like me, they are hoping he shows his stuff soon, but certainly have not given up on him in any way.

I totally agree, zollistar, that Romney is just not a consideration. I keep wondering who these 25% are that steadily support him, because I sure never run into any of them! For me and my friends, he’s the “hold your nose and vote” candidate, and who wants to do THAT again?

“There is passion and fervor among tea partiers, If Romney is “anointed”, we’ll support him…”

Don’t you understand that all these promises to support Romney are exactly why the moderates don’t take the Tea Party seriously? They take our support for granted and why not when we’ve already pledged to support their anointed candidate. Every time we make these pre-endorsements we are getting walked all over.

And those same moderates won’t even extend us the same courtesy, they keep shouting out the same stupid arguments about “electability” every time someone like Perry or Bachmann is fixing to win which is just code for “we won’t support them because they’ll shut us out of power”. If O’Bumbling wins again the RINO types at least get to keep their cushy jobs as lobbyists.

I’m new to activism as well, for basically the same reason – and Romney spells apathy for me. McCain, Dole, Gulliani, NO NO NO!
Great job w/ special election BTW. Was a real morale booster!

I don’t think that is correct. Perry will be on Fox News Sunday with Chris for the entire hour (this Sunday).

I think you will be seeing a lot more interviews with Perry. In fact Perry has had a few interviews but I think getting the race late caused a a slow down in the interview free press time.

I also think it is wise to be selective in where and when you do these interviews.

I’d have no problem supporting Newt Gingrich. I keep thinking he’s the dark horse candidate that will surprise everyone. It keeps dawning on people that after every debate, he’s the one who handles himself the best, stays above the fray, is knowledgeable and articulate. And no one can say he is not connecting with the audience. I believe he consistently gets the most applause than anyone else.

It’s not such a bad thing to really like TWO of our candidates. Rick Perry is still very much in the game, but if Gingrich surprises us and rises to the top, I think he’d give anyone who is anti-Obama someone they could feel very confident in.

All the candidates will beat Obama except for RonPaul for whom we should all show unbounded appreciation.

My ranking at the moment is:
Cain Perry Newt Bachmann Santorum Huntsman Romney Others

What’s yours?/

Newt has just a ton of baggage that is going to leave a bad taste in voters mouth’s.
Hypocrisy
Personal relationships
Personality
Financial mis steps
I don’t personally subscribe to most of this but that is the perception.

Rick Perry on the other hand:
Decade of conservative success
Reformed regulations
Tort reform
Managed one of the largest most complex economies in the world through the worst economic downturn in 80yrs relatively unscathed.
Governor of the state with one of the best economic stories out there (over half the jobs created in Texas/ Number one destination for business escaping poor business environments)
Strong consistent conservative record spanning decades in public office
You can pick one his debate performances (all but the last) attack him as a dumb hick if you like. But that dumb debate fumbling hick has the absolute best record of anyone on or off the stage for that matter. That my friends is FACT, no one in the field can match him in executive success. Not Cain and certainly not switch hit Mitt.Imagine Obama next year facing Rick Perry’s personal story and career record. What’s his attack line? He is dumb? Ok, he is dumb enough to be successful. Perhaps we should stop electing super geniuses and give a dumb good ole boy a shot. Just basing that on the results.

By the time we’re done with this Romney will have milked cows for a living.

Well, we already know that he hunted wabbits….

Right before the world series started. They said that Romney changed his mind and said the St. Louis Rangers would win tonight, instead of the Texas Cardinals.

Yes that’s right that’s how they put it. Just so Romney could be right on both counts even though the names and teams were mixed.

This flip will flop Romney’s campaign, especially since ‘goformitt’ is even having a problem with the flip-flop on here.

but I think if we didn’t have a few good choices, we’d be behind one guy/gal right now.

In other words, you can look at it as they’re all weak, or you can see that there are 3 of 4 strong ones, each with their own “negatives” or weaknesses if you will, which is causing people to weigh the pros and cons of each before deciding on their “one.”

I see the glass half full in all of this. And I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that the democrats have absolutely no idea who it’s going to be. It’s hard to start tearing down a candidate when you don’t even know who the candidate is. They’re running around like chickens without heads right now, and the longer that goes on, the better.

The field is just fine, even if it does include Romney and Paul.

The Media loves to portray conservatives as Neanderthals and both Gingrich and Perry are correct to point out media-ratings-motives and media-denigration-of-conservatives-motives. Unfortunately, there’s been some ugliness that only Newt has avoided and called out.

Conservatives must end their tendency toward embarrassment for candidates’ seeming lack of sophistication or whatever the shortcoming. I plead guilty to it myself, but refuse to be humiliated into another 4 years for Obama.

Go real conservative and let’s see if we can shift our problems away from our tyrannical Federal Government to our respective State Governments. Please note that WashDC is the one geographic location in the US with the greatest wealth and lowest unemployment. It’s a parasite on every other American.

look at the other side. They have the weakest candidate in decades. While the media tries to portray the GOP debaters as a survivor cast, the end match is already set. We know the opponent. The country does too.

Our primary contest allows us to pick the best candidate to oppose what is being presented. Anyone of them can “speak” in opposition to Obama’s proposals. It would help if that candidate’s past positions/actions do not support Obama’s proposals. Furthermore, the candidate with a positive message will prove worthy against the anti-profit, anti-success, anti-positive message being presented. America doesn’t want to keep blaming someone; they want the chance to succeed. We need to nominate the candidate who wants it to succeed; not just the one who wants to be president.

That is why we don’t settle for whomever “seems” inevitable. We do not chase inevitability or else we cease to matter. I agree with anxious that the media is scared because they don’t know who will be picked; they fear that it will not be Romney.

Excerpt from Neil Munro 10/28/11 Daily Caller article:

“Overall, Obama’s strategy is to use his war chest to paint his eventual GOP opponent as untrustworthy, out of touch and unacceptable, and to win a man-to-man, knock-down, drag-out mud fight in a few critical swing states. The election, say Democrats, will be a choice, not a referendum on Obama’s record.”

Romney scores 100% on all three points. He’s not trustworthy, is out-of-touch and most unacceptable.

btw, I’m beginning to really like Newt. He could — and would — really take on Obama. Newt doesn’t need a teleprompter for his debates. Not too sure about Obama….

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/experts-begin-to-doubt-obamas-re-electability/#ixzz1c6mpbYQo

No insult to our conservative members from NH, but I can’t put to much faith in a state that I am now reading wants to allow civil unions between “sibilings.” It appears that those that are supporting that measure are already the product of some of those sibiling unions.

Romney 34%
Guiliani 16%
McCain 16%
Huckabee 6%
Thompson 5%

In the primary, McCain defeated Romney by 6%, 37% to 31%

In the general election, NH voted Obama.

Maybe he is. LOL!

He surely needs someone to speak for him: why not himself?

NayNay. Happily vote for Mitt and it will mobilize TeaParty folks even more to get a properly polished conservative in later. Obama is racing to irretrievably Chicago-Institutionalize Democrats and Unions into government the way unrepealable funding was built into Obamacare.

You’re dealing with dangerous people in ObamaPelosiReid and the armies of autocratic socialists and cronies. There is a purge in USGovt underway right now cleaning out bureaucrats and replace with committed leftists. I want you to know this is serious ssht going on and definitely not to be trifled with. Obama MUST be defeated.

He’s in a race THIS TERM to lock in his nanny state systems. He see’s that there’s a good chance he won’t have 8 years to do it. THE WORST thing to happen is to give Obama and his minions 4 years of LAME DUCK tyranny.

NT

There are Establishment types out there who like Romney ideologically because they think he’s a Moderate but who can’t get over the Mormonism. That is why they were pushing Christie to get in, he was ideologically a RINO like Romney but not a Mormon. These are people want to drink wine at their state dinner invitations like that couple who crashed the State Dinner with the Indian president a few years ago.

At some point you just don’t matter. And the idea that Iowa picks the nominee is la ughable given its poor track record.

or do you just spew.
All of your asertions are wrong.