The Herman Cain Allegations

Warrior

such nuances as “five figures is go away money” are lost on many voters.

But you are correct that Cain needs to personally get in front of this mess now.

tailfins1959

I’m glad EE has experience in this area. Rather than solve this problem JUST for Herman Cain, a strategy to counter things like this for ALL GOP candidates would be welcome. It could be part a “candidate boot camp” training. The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised by this.

tngal

Look, there are several threads on this fiasco and in every one we’re getting whiff’s of which other candidate in our grand ole party could have leaked.

WE CAN”T DO THIS! And I’m saying this as the most stalwart Cain supporter out there.

We should not be hurling aspersions at our other candidates. When the leaker is found, we’ll deal with it but we can’t just run blindly to every tweet and whisper out there.

Maybe it was someone in a PAC, maybe it was the other side. We don’t have the info yet and we’re eating ourselves and besmirching the credibility of other candidates.

We just can’t behave this way.

(Go Black Walnut!!!!)

Tbone

So, I recall reading dozens of posts here that Basically said “I love/like Palin but the media will rip her to shreds so WE need some to run that the media will not attack as hard.”

I mocked the fools who wrote those sentiments then but I can’t wait to see these hypocrites fail to write the same about Herman Cain. I can guarantee you if you think the MSM fears and hates a conservative woman, that pales in comparison to how they feel about a conservative, successful black man.

NeoKong

There is an allegation about Cain and the whole media is dying to dissect it with fervor.
When there were any sort of allegations against Barack Obama (and there were many) those same media people circled the wagons and told us all it was a non story or if they were forced to cover it they did so only to defuse it.
How many other black politicians are accused of or actually guilty of committing crimes and felonies and they are not even a blip on the radar….?
Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel come to mind. We even had the wife of the Chairman of the House Committee of the Judiciary go to prison for accepting bribes and it just bounces right off him.

This is a clip job plain and simple because all the other attacks against Cain cannot gain traction. This will blow over and when it does I can only imagine what else they have up their sleeves.

http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

The MSM knew for months that John Edwards had fathered a child out of wedlock, yet did not report it. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to report the story.

But, if there’s “a rumor of an allegation by an unnamed source” about a conservative it’s reported as front page news.

This double standard extends to every aspect of reporting. For example, Rick Perry’s college grades have been sifted with a fine tooth comb by the press, but it’s not worth the media’s time to check Obama’s grades.

This report doesn’t make me wonder about Cain, it makes me mad at the MSM. Had this story been leaked about a Democrat candidate (even if leaked by a rival Democrat candidate), they would have checked, verified, double-checked, and re-verified the story before deciding they better hold off on printing the story.

But let the allegation be about a Republican, and they trip all over themselves to see who can be the first to report it in big headlines “GOP candidate accused by unnamed source of…”

As far as I’m concered, this helps Cain, because I’m not going to just sit back and take it any more.

streiff

is what happens when you run for elective office.

http://www.rightreality.wordpress.com andysmith

Perry, Romney, and Obama, not necessarily in that order.
After watching Obama’s senate campaign against Ryan, I put nothing past him whatsoever. That was a race Obama was probably going to lose, and somehow managing to get sealed records unsealed got Ryan out of the race.
Romney benefits as well, because Cain is a perceived bump in the road to the nomination. Having Cain out since Perry has tanked recently gives Romney an easier road with the earlier primary dates.
Perry benefits the most because he’s tanked in the polls and this can get him back on track to be the anti-Romney. He’s pushing a somewhat plagarized economic plan, and a poll came out showing that Texas voters might prefer Cain over him. Perry needs Cain out more than Romney does at this point.
In short, I wouldn’t put it past any of these three professional politicians. But I do find it interesting that a man who supposedly had no chance to win because of the lack of political experience is all of a sudden the target of a nameless, baseless, sourceless allegation.

BA Cyclone

interesting.

When I first heard this all last night, the first thing I thought about was that story you recounted, Erick, about the adminstrative aide in the Georgia legislature that you covered on your radio show. I’m glad you pointed out the same angle here, because I think you’re exactly right.

I hope this becomes a fire-testing of Herman Cain — he has the mettle to handle this directly, but with grace. It’s almost like this could be yet another chance for him to prove “he has what it takes” to be an honest front-runner. IOW, if he bats this all away like a meatball pitch thrown to Albert Pujols, Herman Cain looks that much more stronger.

But he has to hit the pitch.

streiff

as Ben Domenech noted in today’s Transom

One more thing: The timing and nature of this story in interesting. Many staffers were struck throughout the 2008 campaign by how often leaks about certain candidates would come out right before previously scheduled media availabilities or TV appearances, forcing a candidate to immediately answer difficult questions to a horde of rabid journalists or duck the avail and make it seem even worse. Now Cain has this story drop at 8 PM on a Sunday night?whole cloth, with no evidence of investigation beyond calling the people named in the documents?a mere 12 hours before he?s supposed to have a full day of media availability in Washington, DC at the American Enterprise Institute and the National Press Club. I feel like I?ve seen this movie. There are only two candidates running this time who ran then, and I don?t think Ron Paul even has an oppo research arm. Curiouser and curiouser.

lizcarter

NO Candidate deserves ANYTHING, when you run for POTUS, you
address and or refute information and claims that arise during the
vetting process.

Sorry, I?m really sick of the double standard and hypocrisy of some of
the campaigns and supporters. We already have one great speaker with
Teflon.

This allegation needs to be refuted, if not it goes directly to his
ability to lead an organization. If this is true, this will be the
second lawsuit payout that Cain has been involved in. In the business
world, that?s a management bailout for bad behavior that costs the
company and its shareholders.

Did it happen or not? If it did, explain it and move on. But the American People already elected a candidate who felt entitled to not addressing issues, who claimed he deserved better than those silly questions and claimed it was because of x, y or z.

This has nothing to do with left or right.

bjames

This reminds me of the NYT hit piece on McCain after they endorsed him for the GOP nomination. We?re supposed to accept their hearsay as fact, when we didn?t even know who ?they? are? For all we know, he could have been having a conversation about pizza salami (in earnest), and they decided it would be a good opportunity to pull a Jesse Jackson style shakedown.

gator_hoo

Cain did almost as poor as Gordon in his initial response, snapping back with “have YOU ever been accused of sexual harassment?”. The failure of campaign or his staff to deny or explain this story is a bigger problem than the story itself.

tngal

NRO has a bit of a piece on his mtg this morning at the American Enterprise Institute. Apparently a lot of reporters haging around. But it didn’t seem to phase him.
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UPDATE III: In his final remarks this morning at AEI, Cain predicted that his campaign will continue to rise. ?One simple reason: the people,? he said.

?The party may resist,? he chuckled, ?but the flavor of the month still tastes good . . . The people have propelled my candidacy.? He promised, as he left the room, to ?stay Herman.?
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He’s got a big day today and so far he hasn’t smacked anybody.

(He’s got more control than I would have.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281682/past-accusations-surface-cain-focuses-tax-plan-robert-costa

uncmike

right about the double standard–Clinton, Edwards, Kennedy and the list could go on. I accept EE’s analysis that this was nuisance money if anything. This standard that some behavior made a person “feel uncomfortable” is nothing more than tort lawyers drumming up business if you ask me. But it’s the new standard trotted out by the left. They did this to Clarence Thomas and they will try to do it to any black conservative they think they can smear. And the time is, as pointed out, extremely suspicious. If Herman goes down, I hope it’s because of his substantive positions on policy matters, and not because of some hearsay put out by the liberal media using unnamed sources and all that.

daveoconnor

Politico is a left-wing rag. Roger Simon of this rag accuses Rick Perry of being a racist without blinking.
The accusations made against Cain amount to a loaded question.
If the women who were “offended” feel that strongly let them come forward. Oh, they may have been paid off and will have to give the money back? Well, again if they feel that strongly about it what’s money compared to the truth? This is BS pure and simple. No facts whatever. None.

streiff

for not having more info, but it seems from the story that the women involved signed non-disclosure agreements in exchange for the pay outs. If they talk to the press then they would be liable for restitution. Eventually some other member of the board of directors will talk.

To me what is most unsettling about this is that when provided with the name of one of the women involved Cain said, , ?I am not going to comment on that.? Hardly the stuff to build confidence though YMMV.

tailfins1959

It was part of the Missouri Republican Party’s recruitment program many years ago. I just figured all state parties and the national party had such a recruitment and training effort. If this can happen on the Presidential level, think how much more is happens to the local plumber running for state representative. If all states and the national party don’t have a formal recruitment and training program they should.

streiff

Yes, Politico leans left as do their reporters. The Washington Post led the charge on “N*****head Rock” just like they did on “macaca” and just like they did on Bob McDonnell and Confederate History Month.

But in the end theses accusations rise or fall on their own merits. George Allen’s handling of macaca didn’t inspire confidence. On the other hand, no one is really talking about a painted rock or Confederate History Month.

We shouldn’t shoot the messenger, in this case. The stories seem credible and though one questions the timing, the timing of the oppo dump on Cain wasn’t controlled by Politico, it was controlled by someone else and I think most of us have a damned good idea of who that someone was.

2warabnvet

we see the “high-tech lynching” redux.

streiff

They went after Perry on racism because he is a white Southerner. They are playing into a pretty nasty stereotype of black men with this attack on Herman Cain.

On the other hand, simply being outraged should be a secondary reaction. Perry effectively showed that the rock in question had been covered for some while. Cain has to show that as many as five women didn’t leave his association, some with cash payments, because of his actions. If he does this, this allegation, too, will go away.

BTW, the differences between this story and Clarence Thomas are massive.

jackdaniels11

Politico recorded that this was his response.

“[Cain] was then asked, ‘Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?’

He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, ‘Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?’”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cN7b0tUq

I’m no PR professional. But I’d say that’s the best way to put out this type of fire: by asking the reporter if s/he has ever face similar allegations. Doubly so if the reporter is a woman.

tricianc

I gave no credibility to the Politico story on Mr. Cain’s sexual harassment story until this:

When asked if he’d ever been accused of sexual harassment, Cain hesitated for several seconds and said, “Have YOU ever been accused of sexual harassment?” Cain also said he wouldn’t comment as didn’t know the names of the women. Huh? How many where there?

This left his answer as a Yes and gave the story credence. If it had been untrue, he would have said a resounding NO. He left it with a Yes, and no explanation. He could have said, “Yes, but it was a misunderstanding and was settled.” Then when asked why a five-figure payout was made, he could have said “We settled because we didn’t want our reputation damaged
and it could take years in court.” Something of that sort. But Mr. Cain left it open for more uncertainty and scrutiny. He could have stopped it right there dead in it’s tracks. This is the mark of a poor campaign strategy. You stop the story in it’s tracks, you don’t keep giving it legs.

I think it may be true but Mr. Cain is uncertain as to hoaw to handle it. Remember, it’s the cover up, not the crime.

The other incident that concerns me and tells me it’s probably true is Cain’s campaign manager called into the Geraldo show and refused to deny the allegations. Geraldo even told him this will certainly further hurt Mr. Cain, and will hit the next day’s papers but that he could address it right now. He asked him several times if he denied the allegations. Why did Mr. Cain’s manager call in if not to defend or clarify? I think he made it worse.

Also, if what is being reported doesn’t constitute sexual harassment, as this article here at Redstate states, why pay them off? It would have been immediately dismissed immediately in court.

Oh, but don’t worry, he’ll pull an Obama and either give a brief speech or go to a news friendly to give his side, both venues of which will be unchallenged.

bjames

I?m not a lawyer and obviously have not seen the agreement, but if they were paid to shut up and go away, wouldn?t taking this to the press even without disclosing their identity or details still constitute a material breach of contract? If it?s not, I would think the NRA had the worst lawyer in the world draw up this contract, and I?m doubtful of that.

If the contract is ambiguously worded, my guess is Cain is trying to be careful with what he says so as not to be legally liable for clearly breaking the terms. On the other hand, we’re talking a 5-figure payout in the midst of a presidential campaign. Time to set the record straight.

joecollins

A campaign staffer should NEVER, EVER call a media show without all the facts. Be prepared to state a position. Be prepared to answer difficult questions. Do not evade the question or the media host will point out that you are evading the issue.

Cain’s communications staff person came off as evasive and left me wondering why the heck he put himself in that position. He hurt his candidate.

Tbone

As such, he should not have commented on the presentation of a anyone’s name.

More of a concern to me is that given some of the other anecdotal comments regarding Cain displaying an imperious personality, a pattern of inappropriate conduct toward female colleagues or subordinates reinforces that perception.

Last thing we need is another inexperienced narcissist running the Country.

tngal

He knows he’s not allowed to say much given the arrrangement from all parties years ago.

And this morning at the mtg, reporters were hounding him and he stayed quiet because the hosts of the mtg said the rules called for questions only about the economic plan.
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When ABC?s Jon Karl asked Cain about the story, AEI moderator Kevin Hassett jumped in and said that Cain would be answering questions on other topics at the National Press Club in Washington later on Monday.

?I think that question is inconsistent with the ground rules,? Hassett told Karl.

?I?m going by the ground rules ? set by my host,? Cain said, moving on to another question.
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He’s damned if he answers. He’s damned if he doesn’t. But, we can see through that.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/31/cain-refuses-to-answer-question-about-harassment-accusations/#ixzz1cNBXAlVD

streiff

non sequiturs don’t get you out of much. Reagan tried that during Iran-Contra, he was asked by a reporter in a news conference what he was doing on a certain day when it was alleged that a decision to send weapons to Iran had been approved and he said, “what were you doing on (xx day, xx month, 19xx). Cute but not responsive.

The fact is that even if the reporter has been accused AND convicted of sexual harassment, that doesn’t answer the question posed to Cain unless it is followed by a statement of fact that covers the action.

Like, Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment. It is one of the most difficult experiences anyone in public life can face, the difficulty of defending yourself, etc. yadda yadda. Of course I have been accused and these are the facts. OR No, I’ve never been accused.

His response was petulant and juvenile and will only serve as a red cape for the media to fixate on. Sort of like Gary Hart’s challenge to the Miami Herald.

lizcarter

true, very true. He’s deflecting.

streiff

both parties would be bound. I would think, however, the Board could vote to rescind the NDA.

streiff

that someone on the Board, when the NDAs were drawn up, disclosed the identities of one or more of the people to Politico (or more likely to the oppo research team of someone currently mired at 25% in the polls). The people obviously didn’t speak because we don’t have real specific allegations here.

tailfins1959

This is an opportunity to discuss what it’s like to run a business. It looks like Cain has accepted this kind of problem as normal part of running a business. He can simply state that he doesn’t commit sexual harassment, any settlements made were business decisions and any detailed discussions about the topic are a risk for any businessman who had to deal with such accusations.

streiff

which begs the question of why he didn’t do so when given the opportunity.

1776revolutionary

I’ve worked in business accounting/finance for over 25 years. I agree with Erick characterization of the payments as nuisance money paid to someone terminated for other reasons who raised an allegation as a means of getting a payoff. The organization must have investigated, and they must have found no evidence. Failure to investigate leaves the organization open for a subsequent lawsuit. Evidence would have led to a larger payout, especially from a large organization like the Association (based in late ’90′s dollar value).

Tbone

The Board could vote to violate the NDA, if they were complete idiots.

jaykali

If the standard is no stone should be left unturned then it would be nice to see that applied to politicians other than just conservatives. To date Sarah Palin who has never even run for president has had the most scrutiny applied to her life than any other politician including John Edwards who had a fun-baby DURING his presidential campaign.

It irritates me that the liberal press will dig up racist stones or faux-John McCain affairs but can’t seem to figure out how a young Barrack Obama pays for his Ivy league education.

acat

What Non-Disclosure Agreements is Cain covered under, resulting from these allegations and just the normal operation of a business?

The problem with that argument is that, if Cain knew he was covered under NDAs due to past allegations, he should have had an answer ready to go for months now.

Mew

tngal

I tried to get help on this last night, pointing out five figures is a small sum.

6 figures would indicate hundreds of thousands, while the 7 figures pops into the millions. And those arrangements are not that unusual.

Politico has got four seperate writers working on this story, and this is all they can come up with. Gestures and nuance and five figures?

Slow news day or something more sinister? I’m going with the latter.

streiff

I only have a little experience but it is in a case where a Board negotiated the NDA that bound both parties and the NDA made it clear that the Board reserved the right to void the NDA.

wbf

When will this story get more attention. It will.
This is all very demoralizing.

I read it about first here: http://stevedeace.com/news/iowa-politics/hermans-head/

I saw it somewhere else this morning too.

streiff

but he didn’t do it and there was an investigation and any payout was made without his knowledge/approval.

streiff

considering the Armed Forces are now pro-sodomy.

jackdaniels11

was enjoying a nice smoke. He wouldn’t support Cain if he didn’t believe in him (pulls in a drag). Refreshing.

JSobieski

Seems like the ladies involved breached the NDA by going public. Once they did that, Cain and the Board are free to respond.

Unless the agreement is drafted specifically to be stupid, there shouldn ‘t be any legal issues with responding.

Tbone

In fact, a voidable NDA goes against the basic theory of having an NDA in the first place.

I mean, would you sign a document where the other side said “We promise not to tell the secrets shared between/among us unless we determine, at our sole discretion, at some future point that it would be in our best interests to do so.” ?

HaroldHutchison

Obama probably wants Cain out of the picture more than anyone. Even as VP to Romney, Cain would be a huge threat to the Democratic Party’s lock on 90-95% of the African-American vote, a percentage Obama NEEDS to have to ensure his re-election.

Not only that, just out of spite the Dems would want to make someone like Cain pay for leaving the plantation.

Tbone

Got a link?

jackdaniels11

before Super Tuesday, tipping their hand as to which candidate they wanted the Republicans to select. After Super Tuesday, when McCain won crucial states like California and virtually sealed up the nomination, the NY Times released the story.

“All the sandbagging that’s fit to print.”

wbf

However it is demoralizing to me . Especially since he tried to hide it.
Also this person was an activist.

jackdaniels11

Cain is now in what the Lincoln Lawyer (go see it if you haven’t) called a “trick bag”. Cain cannot respond to the allegations, nor can he deny them.

He’s cooked.

I thought that the media did the same thing to Dan Quayle (who I still like) and Sarah Palin (still like her too).

The media allows liberals like Obama to misspeak, contradict themselves, lie, subvert the constitution, take credit for missions they didn’t support (Seal Team’s strike on Bin Ladin), and screw up the world’s economy.

But conservatives must walk a tightrope or their cooked.

Cain is pretty much cooked. He can fight on or he can quit. If he fights on, he goes into Iowa with heavy baggage. If he quits, he lets down all of his supporters, staff, volunteers, and donors.

Trick. Bag.

clowngirl

I was sexually harassed a number of times when I was young and I never got any high six figure settlement or even thought that I could successfully sue.

In one case I was a waitress being harassed by another waiter and when I made clear I wasn’t interested he said he was “close to killing me”. I talked to the police just as to what my options were and one of them said “why don’t you get another waitressing job”

Maybe these women also didn’t have particularly impressive jobs, Maybe Erick’s clients did.

I’m not so inclined to think that just because harassment may have taken place the victims would feel certain they could count on a nearly million dollar settlement. Unless they caught him on tape it would be their word against the head of the National Restaurant Association – and maybe they didn’t have a good lawyer giving them advice. If they were offered a 5 figure settlement right off the bat they might prefer that to extended unpleasantness and, I expect, most women don’t like the idea of publicly suing a prominent person for harassing them.

Most women probably aren’t looking to milk it.
I was always content for the harassment simply to stop, In the case of the waiter all it wound up taking was an formally phrased and type written letter documenting the worst of his harassment and management’s refusal to effectively deal with it. In another case I wrote a letter to the guy in question noting specific behaviors — giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his motives- – but letting him know I felt uncomfortable and to please stop. In both cases it stopped. It never even occured to me to think “gee, I could make some money off this”

streiff

Obama wants everyone in the picture up until the last primary. The last thing he wants is any GOP candidate sewing this up early. Obama would have held this allegation until after Cain was on the ticket.

To imagine otherwise is nonsense. Politico had this story handed to them either by someone who doesn’t like Cain or doesn’t like how well Cain is doing.

streiff

you from generic statements. Cain, in fact, did just that today.

http://www.vote4buzz.com Buzz Brockway

RCP has video of Cain on Fox just a few minutes ago.

He’s pretty clear in his denial. I hope the facts back this up and I have no reason to believe they wont.

Tbone

“”I say falsely because it turned out, after the investigation, to be baseless.”

Wouldn’t he know it was false and baseless before the investigation?

Also, I find it hard to believe that his staff settled without his knowledge. In that size organization the Chief Counsel would be expected to present a litigation report at each Board meeting. Cain expects us to believe he wasn’t privy to that brief? In fact, I think I would have to say Cain was out right lying about that.

pantera

Wow. You mean Cain mat have cursed in front of a woman.

tngal

National Journal:

Herman Cain acknowledged Monday that he had been accused of sexual harassment when he ran the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, but he called the allegations ?totally baseless? and said he was unaware of any settlement made with the women.

?Yes, I was falsely accused while I was at National Restaurant Association,? he said in an interview on Fox News. ?I say falsely. It turned out after investigation, it was baseless.?

The Republican presidential candidate, who has rocketed from the back of the pack to become a top tier candidate, denied he was aware that the women had reached any kind of settlement with the trade group.

?I wasn?t even aware of it, and I hope it wasn?t for much, because nothing happened. So if there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers that worked for me at the association. So the answer is absolutely not.,? he said.”

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There’s more. Check it out. So, is this enough. Or is this kinda of like the abortion thing? Where people try to parse words. Just wondering. If he’s telling the truth. This seems good enough to me. If he’s not, the girls will come screaming and maybe we can get to the bottom of it.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cain-i-have-never-sexually-harassed-anyone–20111031

streiff

1. To the Association: let’s see that investigation and any other investigation you have on the subject.

2. To the woman whose identity is known: Did Cain really harass you or did you just shake down the Association?

jackdaniels11

Jack Ryan was supposed to keep Peter Fitzgerald’s Illinois senate seat in Republican hands.

He was smart, conservative, compassionate, had been married to nerd-fantasy Jeri Ryan, seemingly named after a Tom Clancy hero, in a word: presidential.

All of that came tumbling down when the Chicago Tribune’s lawyers convinced a liberal California judge to unseal records from Jack Ryan’s divorce.

Did Mr. Ryan do anything illegal? No. Did he make unwanted advances against a staffer or employee? No. Did the allegation of weirdness permanently cripple his campaign? Absolutely.

Chalk it up to the light-minded public’s fascination with the sex lives of powerful people. You can’t change that. It’s an uncontrollable human impulse to be curious about these things.

Obama’s left-wing supporters finished off Jack Ryan without forcing their guy to so much as dirty his hands.

The media is about to stick Cain in a pizza oven from which he will emerge charred and bitter.

clowngirl

Sounds like it, frankly. Cain needs to directly answer the question without getting all huffy.

And I would expect there probably are a lot of people who have never been accused of sexual harassment.

clowngirl

Sounds like it, frankly. Cain needs to directly answer the question without getting all huffy.

And I would expect there probably are a lot of people who have never been accused of sexual harassment.

acat

if Cain knew he was covered under NDAs due to past allegations, he should have had an answer ready to go for months now.

This does not look good for Herb.

Mew

jackdaniels11

for the trip?

A frozen pizza would have been great if they had coolers and ice-packs.

I wonder if the phrase “black walnut ice cream” will show up in any leaked court documents.

sunshinek67

campaign received news of this smear story 10 days ago and refused to validate the story with a preemptive strike. Anybody can say whatever at any time and the media writes the narrative to make it fit or make it go away. The story does not reconcile well with his Christian conservative values. Don’t know what to think. Also, I fail to see a mass exodus from his base of support transcending to better numbers for Romney. Romney is not a conservative of conviction, rather one of convenience. Regardless of what happens to Cain, if anything, Romney is still the antithesis of what conservatives are wanting with fervor this next election and crosses the threshold by many into what is acceptable.

Scope

and their response was that they don’t comment on personnel matters. So the Assoc. won’t help or hurt Cain. He was also asked if there are any more sexual harassment claims out there involving him and he said no, and if any come out, they are just made up.

jackdaniels11

James Carville, and Anthony Pellicano to sift through the accuser’s trash cans and ex-boyfriends to try to find some dirt on them.

Hillary Clinton probably still has their numbers in her Blackberry. Careful when you call Pellicano, though. The California Department of Corrections records and monitors those phone calls.

streiff

Cain has said the accusation was baseless. Plus, someone on the Board is quoted in the Politico story. There will be copies of Board minutes out there which show litigation outcomes.

gawken

Most corporation carry liability, E&O coverage for officers, directors. Part of the general package.

Let’s assume that NRA had such coverage. Maybe maximum exposure was $250k per incident, and it would cost the insurance company another $50 to hire ourside counsel.

So if they can settle the claim, especially without any admission of wrongdoing..for less than $100k…they are always going to insist upon it. It’s a cost of doing business, and believe me, is priced into the premium.

And if an individual or a company refused to go along with the settlement, then the coverage is null and void, and they are out there on their own…and stuck for any judgements and costs.

So, they settle…

jackdaniels11

Whenever a conservative woman or a conservative from a non-white ethnic group shows up (Miguel Estrada, Clarence Thomas, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain), the long knives come out.

The media understands that in a free country, they have to allow Republicans to elect SOMEONE as their nominee. But they’ll be damned if that someone contradicts their monomyth that the GOP only speaks for white, male, Christian conservatives.

So Sarah Palin was forced to defend herself against allegations that she was stupid (George W. Bush, Reagan, GHW Bush, Quayle, and Eisenhower had to deal with this allegation as well), that she was a “slut” (really cruel to accuse a woman like Palin of this), that she was a “bad mom” (again, no precedent for this line of attack, the media didn’t accuse Hillary of this), that she was insane, etc.

The media has conservatives in a trick bag. We know that we must expand the base to be relevant in the 21st Century. But the media and hordes of unethical liberals will lie, smear, and act like 3rd graders to stop us from expanding the base.

Our only salvation is that guys like BHO are such horrible managers of the economy that voters with common sense can see through the media smears and pick the right candidate.

I’m just glad that these allegations are coming out now instead of after Super Tuesday. What the media (specifically the NY Times) did to McCain was to wait until after Super Tuesday to report the wild allegations that he was having sex with an attractive lobbyist. It was totally unsubstantiated but it hurt him. Which is why the Times waited until he had the nomination to reveal it.

Tbone

in a redacted manner.

I doubt the woman would be allowed to identify herself based on the NDA but the person named sure has a hell of a lawsuit against somebody.

Marcus_Traianus

NT

jackdaniels11

google “Obama’s mistress”. She is now living in the Caribbean and thus is unavailable to receive subpoenas. Who is paying for her rent and upkeep? The media has never asked.

Has the media reported anything about her? No.

Apparently, Democrats can have extra-marital affairs and be secure that the media will stomp out the fires for them. Republicans can’t even crack-wise with their staffers for fear of what the media will do to them. This is why we always get very stiff, timid candidates who seem uncomfortable speaking.

explodinghead

It is time for Cain to put all the facts out there. Tell exactly what the specific allegations where, what he allegedly said, what he allegedly did. Answer did he do those things and if so, then what his general counsel advised him to do. The American people are smart enough to decide if it rises to the level of inappropriate or sexual harrassment. Republicans are always held to a higher standard than Democrats on this and Cain needs to put the information out there, so the people can judge and move on, otherwise the press will keep this going ad nauseum. Cain needs to control the narrative, the ball is in his court and this is not going away until he makes it go away.

satchman3

If the matter was ongoing when Cain left he wouldn’t necessarily know about the settlement.

Tbone

female companionship too.

jackdaniels11

According to wikipedia, she doesn’t even exist. Yet, the Swiss newspaper, Le Martin, reported on the allegations in 2010. It has evidence that BHO had an extra-marital affair with her.

The media is spiking the story the way it spiked the Rielle Hunter story until child support documents were filed and the media was forced to acknowledge that something happened.

They provided the same service for Bill Clinton: assisting in the harassment of his victims until the Independent Counsel turned up evidence of Bill’s seed on an intern’s dress.

texasroots

What’s next? Illegitimate child, children??

Rove (working for Romney) passes the smell test on thess sexual allegations. The Romney money is directing the attacks, including the polls in Texas, etc. The Romney camp wants the blame on Perry. Yes, blame Perry because of low polls which are falsely created by Romney. They are dirty, dirty. Politico also wants to cast blame on Perry, I am sure at the next debate Romney, Cain, Bachmann, etc., will all go after Perry accusing him of these allegations–Romney creates the attacks every time and the rest pathetically follow so Romney will pay their campaign debts. Romney’s sole target is Perry.

How tragic. All the hate and division Romney and bunch have created, Election is over if Romney is nominee, Congratulations, President Obama in 2012.. Stop campaigning, stop wasting money, etc., Obama wins hands down over Romney. It’s over, get used to it, People who think Romney will win over Obama are in deep denial. I would rather have Obama stay than Romney win. Heck, Romney/Rinos would prefer Obama, too, over Perry, the only true conservative who they love to hate–a rotten shame but true..

HaroldHutchison

He needs to throw the race card out there to keep his base – both African-Americans and the hard left – fired up. Herman Cain on the ticket, either as VP or as the nominee, negates it.

Obama wants the race card, and Cain surviving deep into the primaries would still limit its usefulness.

jackdaniels11

They’re treating her like Jackie Kennedy.

“What is she wearing?” “How does she look so great?”

Blah, blah, blah.

I don’t remember them fawning over Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, or Nancy Reagan like this.

howardcountychairman

Another point to ponder is that if Cain was accused of harrassment, the insurance carrier for his association would have been notified. They may have settled to avoid the cost of litigation. Most liability insurance coverage gives the carrier the right to settle.

jackdaniels11

Are these just gut feelings or do you have any evidence that Romney is behind this. It could be Rick Perry behind this for all we know.

Maybe a journalist got a tip from an unconnected party and decided to do his job by investigating the rumor.

I have a hard time seeing how you can blame Romney with no evidence other than your hunches. Was Romney also behind the stories on Rick Perry at the N-head spot?

Come on.

jackdaniels11

The polls indicate that Cain would be easier for Obama to beat than Romney.

Why would Obama want to help Romney sew up the nomination early? So that Obama can face the more difficult challenge?

That is just absurd.

Obama would sit on this story until after Super Tuesday if he had the names and the facts. He wouldn’t reveal it now.

Tbone

You made the statement.

jackdaniels11

it is against a black conservative.

The left can’t tolerate anyone that proves that conservatives come in all colors and both genders.

They have to maintain Howard Dean’s myth that the Republican Party only speaks for white, male Christians.

This is the new Marxist tack. The left couldn’t sell “tear down the rich” to the masses because of what Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung did. So the new approach is to focus on race, gender, and sexual orientation as a means of building the liberal brand. They don’t need working class white males any more. They can get guys like BHO elected with or without that demographic.

retire05

Was Romney behind the stories on the N-head rock? Probably not personally. But it would have had to be generated by someone who was familiar with the rock and who was anti-Perry.

The rumors in Austin are that Karl Rove is quietly working for Romney, behind the scenes and under the table (which allows his to keep his Fox gig).

Now, put those two together, and what do you get?

As to Perry, he had enough information on Kinky Freidman to probably send the guy to jail. A dope-smoking friend of Willie Nelson, Freidman has been known as a rebel for a long time. But Perry never used that information, and according to Friedman, when he lost the election and everyone had deserted him because of it, Rick Perry called him and gave him a pep speech. Friedman said that he kinda apologized to Perry for the things he said, and Perry told him “No problem, Kinky. It’s politics, not personal.”

libdestroyer

another HILARIOUS pizza joke…

got any jokes on ballistic missile systems? Cain dealt with those too.

jackdaniels11

BHO probably got taxpayers to pay for his education. There must be a reason why he won’t release his school records from Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard.

My guess is that he was a C student who got into the Ivy League with a lot of help from affirmative action.

Did Obama have an extra-marital affair with Vera Baker? Probably. Will the mainstream media investigate this? Only if Obama becomes a Republican.

tnguy

I’ve never been a Herman Cain supporter, but I was glad that he was yet another conservative voice in the fight. I initially thought that he was someone I could eventually support, unlike Romney.

Then came the N*********head rock, and Cain piled on Perry, along with the leftists.

If Perry is asked about Cain’s harrassment, what should he say? “Herman shouldn’t be involved in something like that,”???? As far as I’m concerned, Cain has already done even worse to Perry.

Remember this Herman? ?My reaction is, that?s just very insensitive,? Cain told Fox. ?[There] isn?t a more vile, negative word than the N-word, and for him to leave it there as long as he did, before I hear that they finally painted over it, is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country.?

Herman’s chickens came home to roost…..

acat

Romney faces a very large “excitement gap”. He’s not a compelling campaigner, never was. He did not excite crowds in 2008. He’s wonkish in presentation. He won’t generate the kind of coattails that Cain or Perry would have.

As for why Obama would want to face Romney instead, let me just point out the obvious.

Cain would splinter the black vote a bit, and would definitely reduce the effectiveness of the race card. Cain may not peel off more than 9% of Blacks, but he’d definitely present an alternative to suburbanite whites, who voted for Obama for “historical significance” and white guilt.

If Cain is on the GOP side, why do the Dems need to keep Obama?

Mew

streiff

if I accept, for argument’s sake, that Obama is afraid of Cain pulling black vote (I’m not and I think the claim ludicrous on its face) Obama would benefit from this oppo dump by waiting until Cain was on the ticket.

The only beneficiaries from this are Cain’s primary opponents. As has been noted in other places, this is what Romney did in 2008. Draw your own conclusions.

jackdaniels11

We’ve got to have an Anita Hill-type hearing where witnesses are called, statements are parsed, and receipts from video stores are analyzed.

This is why public office no longer attracts the top-tier of intellectuals and charismatic individuals.

One misunderstood joke and a candidate is suddenly being compared to Clinton.

streiff

1. No evidence doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

2. Often plaintiffs in a small industry take a smallish settlement and move on rather than having their lives terribly altered by engaging in litigation against a major player in that industry.

Cain really should release the investigation… redacted to enable confidentiality of the accuser… and let the voters in the GOP primaries decide for themselves.

libdestroyer

we aren’t electing his staffer

jackdaniels11

Perry held his fire on Kinky Friedman? The guy who consistently polled in third place in 2006? The guy who ended up taking 4th place in the 2006 gubernatorial election behind the inconsequential Carole Strayhorn? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2006

I’m really impressed now. That Perry wouldn’t unload his oppo research to the press to keep a pro-gay marriage liberal from taking votes away from the Democrat candidate. Such message discipline should be lauded, not ridiculed.

acat

Does having Cain on the GOP ticket strengthen the argument that the Dems should not nominate Obama?

Put another way, doesn’t having the race card taken out reduce Obama’s viability?

We can see, through a scanner darkly perhaps, the GOP arguing; the Dems are doing their own right now.

Mew

politicalgal1

and that is his potential breach of campaign finance laws.

As reported in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel yesterday, Cain’s two top campaign aides (Mark Block, the smoker, and Linda Hansen) ran a private Wisconsin-based corporation that helped the GOP presidential candidate get his fledgling campaign off the ground by originally footing the bill for tens of thousands of dollars in expenses for such items as iPads, chartered flights and travel to Iowa and Las Vegas – something that might breach federal tax and campaign law, according to sources and documents.

Add to this the previous reporting that campaign donations were used to buy books from Herman’s corporation.

Herman’s unconventional campaign may collapse simply from the fact that his staff is ignorant on campaign finance laws.

jackdaniels11

But they don’t “pair well” with the Donner Party reference. I can’t have Moe Lane ban me for threadjacking.

I was going to go with some Burger King references as well. But most Cain supporters are still unaware of Mr. Cain’s work for the “you CAIN have it your way” chain.

libdestroyer

aren’t as bitter as you. Cain heard from his supporters when he commented on the n***** story. The issue was promptly dropped.

It’s politics dude.

streiff

unless there is a large number of burly men wearing thongs, buttless chaps, and Greek fisherman’s hats working for Cain I’m not going to worry about it.

porkandcheese

Has it been proved that these women were fired first and then came forward in a cynical bid for a settlement? The Politico story reports that they came forward and complained about Cain, because they found him impossible to work with. Then they were given money to avoid a lawsuit.

jackdaniels11

he’s failing.

Read what Politico said about his response to the ambush:

“He was then asked, ‘Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?’

He breathed audibly, glared at the reporter and stayed silent for several seconds. After the question was repeated three times, he responded by asking the reporter, ‘Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?’?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cN7b0tUq

This is almost as bad as, “Let’s talk about the World Series”. Or “I did not. Have. Sexual relations. With that woman. Miss Lewinsky.” Take your pick.

jackdaniels11

And an incoherent one. You are hung up on this idea that Obama will be swapped out for Hillary Clinton.

This is so improbable that it isn’t worth ink or pixels. Can we go back to focusing on the Cain allegations and what they portend in the real world?

rightwingmom52

1. Accusations do not mean it happened. Ask Justice Thomas.

2. Often plaintiffs take a smallish settlement and move on rather than having their lives terribly altered by engaging in litigation that would expose their accusations as lies and them as trying to gain money by smearing decent folks.

I agree Cain should release a redacted version of the investigation.

bzip

Cain needs Vetting more so if he has never held public office and hasn’t been vetted.

Nonprofit Aid for Cain Camp Reportedly Sparks Legal Concerns
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/31/nonprofit-aid-for-cain-camp-reportedly-sparks-legal-concerns/

State firm’s cash to Herman Cain may breach federal campaign, tax laws
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html

Campaign finance improprieties at Team Cain?
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/31/campaign-finance-improprieties-at-team-cain/

streiff

the Dems will paint Cain as a self-loathing Uncle Tom who doesn’t care about his “own people” but who really wants to be white.

It won’t be the first time they’ve done this. Every time a prominent black conservative raises his head this happens.

Tbone

NT

jackdaniels11

But I have seen lease contracts where one party was allowed to void the lease at any time and for any reason. AT&T used to use them all the time.

streiff

These claims were reported at the time and investigated. We know that in a couple of instances settlement money was paid (fully acknowledging what such a payment may or may not mean). The women did not suddenly appear years after the fact (they actually have yet to appear). They did not follow Cain around from job to job pretending to be his friend.

But we need a more forthcoming explanation from Cain on the facts and circumstances in these cases.

tnguy

Bitter? Nope. I’m selective about candidates I support. Cain disqualified himself from getting my vote by his race-baiting. There are issues (like abortion, with which Cain has further DQ’d himself) which I don’t hand out free passes on when it comes to my vote.

IMO, falsely accusing someone of racism, is just as bad as racism itself. This is – to me – far different than saying someone is lying about their record, plan, whatever. I don’t forget republicans playing politics of personal destruction against the candidate I chose to support. I expect that from the dems, not from other republicans.

The only thing that could’ve rescued Cain from my crap list was a public apology, but it’s too late for that now.

As to the allegations, I mean, who hasn’t paid women off for not harrassing them?

acat

I’ll bet you don’t even know why.

Mew

bjames

I think it?s more likely that this was the work of the drive-by media than Romney oppo researchers. They?d rather kill the baby in the cradle than to have a black conservative successful, non-politician running against Obama. Look at how they dislike the outspoken Scalia but revile the quiet Thomas. The D’s I know the GOP contenders but wouldn’t throw themselves off a bridge facing the prospect of a Romney Administration.

Romney is way ahead in NH and FL and neck and neck with Cain in Iowa. If he were to torpedo Cain, most of his supporters would probably return to Perry, who actually has a pretty sizable campaign war chest. Is that what he really wants? Unless Romney thinks he can disperse the anti-Romney vote and carry Iowa to seal it, but he’s not even campaigning there (though maybe he doesn’t want to lose face by campaigning hard there and losing, like he did last time). If anything, I?d be more inclined to think this is the handiwork of one of the other anti-Romney candidates – maybe the one with a history of dubious charges, such as Gardasil causing mental retardation.

jkines

Unsubstantiated allegations from anonymous sources, simultaneously the only credible conservative with a chance at the nomination and the one candidate who destroys the left’s ability to play the race card. This specious propaganda is as predictable as it is obvious.

Finrod

The ‘Greek fisherman’s hats’ bit totally makes that comment. Well done.

WY_Cowboy

cross-current, but I tend to think the person who benefits the most from this, the one who, if Cain actually ended up on a national ticket – either first or second spot – the one who cannot afford to have as a role model a successful, black, socially conservative, Republican, businessman is Barack Obama.

The risks of a GOP candidate dropping this bomb is huge and there is no guarantee of any upside. If a fellow GOP candidate dropped this stink bomb, Politico will leak it as it will damage them. If there is no leak as to who dropped it, you can bet it was Team Obama. Seems a little similar to the Jack Ryan story.

rightwingmom52

was only to point out that accusations do not mean harassment occurred, not as a direct comparison of one instance to the other with regard to the ~~facts~~ accusations themselves.

We live in a socieity in which feminists have encouragd women to consider every tiny, little misstep made by a man as some kind of threat or violation or creation of a hostile work environment. And how many times is it just some “perceived” misstep that was nothing to begin with. Add that to a litigious society where they are then encouraged to sue, and not only are the men victimized but also the companies they work for because it’s easier to settle rather than fight, and they are then forced to sign non-disclosure agreements to protect the identities and reputations of the women who made baseless accusations in the first place.

acat

That’s kind of a given.

My point is, from a Dem perspective, it only makes sense to keep Obama at the top of the ticket if they’re facing Anybody But Cain.

Mew

runner12

doubts that these accusations are with merit. Women can be just as vindictive as men and it would not surprise me if these accusations where an attempt to extort money. I lean towards the belief that these accusations were groundless.

I might also add that if the leak was from a fellow candidate and these accusations are clearly proven to be baseless, that candidate’s campaign is in serious trouble.

Of course, there is a small chance that the acccusations have merit. The absence of Cain’s wife on the campaign trail is a little odd and with these new allegations there will be plenty of room for speculation.

I hope in the end that the truth will come out and that it will vindicate Cain. If it doesn’t, his campaign is over.

streiff

nt

macbookben

“The Trial”

Starring: Herman Cain as Joseph K.

with: 2 unidentified settlement recipients as Fr?ulein Montag and Fr?ulein B?rstner.

and: the Politio as The Magistrate

uncmike

off the front pages and off the air. Boy, Romney is one luck guy. If this Cain story hadn’t come along, everyone would be talking about how Romney is a total, non-conservative, finger-in-the-wind flipflopper.

WY_Cowboy

Clarence Thomas today. Just sayin’ seems like we’ve watch this movie before. If the left can’t force you to conform to their view of the world, they will take you out by any means necessary.

tngal

his wife. She, from all I’ve read, supports him in his run for the presidency, but does not seek limelight. She is not Anita Perry.
He mentioned they were trying to schedule up an interview with her. Not sure if they’ll fly her in to somewhere or have her sit in a local studio and then beam her or what.

uncmike

Below is what the Politico report who helped write the Cain story. Martin, a Hampden-Sydney college grad (that’s a small school in VA) previously worked at National Review and regularly appers on the lib networks CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN, NPR, ABC and CBS to discuss politics. BTW, people keep using the term “sexual harassment.” This is a legal term and there is no suggestion what Cain did met that definiton–it’s really all about making them fee uncomfortable or whatever.

Politico reporter Jonathan Martin, who co-wrote their article on Herman Cain, told MSNBC this morning that he just isn’t “going to get into the details” of what Cain allegedly said, did or “gestured.” Martin cites an incident that may or may not have happened where Cain may or may not have invited a woman up to his hotel room. Cain’s chief of staff said this morning that these charges are questionable at best. Relevant transcript below:

Politico’s Jonathan Martin: “And also, what actually happened to these women as well, we want to be sensitive to that, too. It includes both verbal and physical gestures.

“These women felt uncomfortable, and they were unhappy about their treatment, and they complained to both colleagues and senior officials. In one case it involved, I think, inviting a woman up to a hotel room of Cain’s on the road ? We’re just not going to get into the details of exactly what happened with these women beside what’s in the story.”

acat

There’s no need to bash Mrs. Perry here. Not sure why you chose to, but .. says quite a bit to this cat about you.

Mew

streiff

that is only good if there are 5 candidates in the race until Super Tuesday, If any of the other candidates drop out their vote, except Huntsman’s, goes to the “anti-Romney” either Cain or Perry or Bachmann or Santorum.. I don’t discuss Ron Paul here because his backers a nitwits and will write him in if he drops out.

What Romney can’t have is one of the anti-Romney’s run away with it. This is calculated to drive some of Cain’s supporters back to other candidates.

In fact, the only beneficiary of this is Romney. The White House would clearly prefer to face Cain in November rather than Romney or Perry.

streiff

were it not for “N*****head” surfacing while Perry was in the lead and the troublesome similarities to 2008.

red_oakster

If there is compelling evidence that he did something awful, he is finished. However, if no one brings forward damning evidence, the reaction is going to be fierce and Cain might very well ride those emotions all the way to the White House.

iidvbii

nt

devereaux

This came out now. I suspect either Perry or Romney operatives are behind it. No way Obama campaign. They would have held their fire until Oct 2012.

tngal

I haven’t seen anyone else’s wife getting pub out there. Anita is out there. Appearing at a lot of different functions. She even spoke as a representative during a talk when the only other speakers were Ron Paul and Santorum. Paul first, then Santorum, then her. That’s it. Yeah, she’s out there front and center. Gloria isn’t. Apparently that’s not in her nature. Not a swipe against Anita, just facts. Google up the spouses and see who gets the most quotes.

(Newt’s exes don’t count, just ot clarify.)

retire05

small. My, my, how you whine when you think you are being disparaged, but don’t mind disparaging someone else.

You have lost any credibity you might have gained. And if you are an example of Herman Cain supporters, I put you in the class with the Paulbots who are all certifiable.

If Mrs. Cain thinks she can stay out of the fray, what the hell is she going to do if he is elected? Hide out in the West Wing for four years?

iidvbii

Unspecified amount of money paid to anonymous woman for unsubstaniated allegations didnt you?
To quote tnguy “Who hasnt paid of woman for not harrassing them?”
I mean what a miscarriage of justice, digging into public records like that to question Cain. Someone, somewhere should be fired.

joayn

smear is a two-fer. It places all the focus of God knows for how long on this trash. Who does it hurt? Cain and Perry.

Cain, for his rising numbers and possilbe candidacy.
Perry, for his interview with Chris Wallace yesterday, to “restart” his campaign, if you will. And it was a great interview.

Who does it help? Romney. Whoever is doing this does not want Cain or Perry as the nominee. And I believe it was the Obama folks. They are scared, really, really scared.

retire05

Ann Romney is front and center. Just because you are unaware of it doesn’t make it not so. Ann Romney even told an audience that “not voting for Mitt is stupip.”

Gloria Cain cannot stay out of the fray. She has got to get in or divorce him and let him live in the White House alone. Like it or not, her disappearance act is not going to help him, and in fact, is raising a lot of questions about their marriage.

Lay off Anita Perry. She is a good woman and anyone who tries to smear her is just a small, biased political hack.

acat

Anita of seeking limelight. That’s a serious swipe.

Just because Anita is comfortable acting as proxy for her husband does not mean she’s seeking limelight. My read is that it’s part and parcel of being a southern politician’s wife. Recall that Laura Bush, Tipper Gore, and Hillary Clinton were all much more active…

Mew

gekster

being behind this, please give proof.
If you have no proof, then you are spreading, if not starting, rumers.
Conservatives don’t do that sort of thing.
We don’t have to, we have principles..

devereaux

Obama does have a good political operation. If they knew about this they would have kept quiet. This is the type of thing you dump during the last month of the campaign. That’s why I suspect it comes from Republicans. If they discovered this then now is the time to get it out. It’s still early and if its bogus then Cain still has time to recover.

Aaron Gardner

If someone wanted to find out who the leak was and if they happen to be with a rival campaign, they might want to check into people who were on the NRA Board of directors in 1999 and cross reference that with prominent backers of one of the rival campaigns and see if they get a match.

I am willing to wager you get a hit on Romney. Also, I don’t make bets I don’t plan to win, so keep that in mind.

devereaux

Dems would want to keep this quiet until crunch time. Republicans would want to get it out now while it’s still early.

gekster

Beats handing out candy tonight.
Hey,
Wait,
I looooove doing that.

I’ll take a look as soon as I can get to it.

Thanks for the tip.

streiff

who gets invited to a poker game and can’t identify “the mark.”

I’m anticipating some delicious single malt at Aaron’s expense.

But in this case I wouldn’t bet against him.

evilleramsfan

That so far, Perry hasn’t run to the media condemning what Cain had done? He at least so far has shown more restraint and respect towards Cain than Cain showed to him……

heraklios

Karl Rove and the Republican Establishment had better be careful about taking down/smearing the rest of the GOP field. There are a bunch of us who aren’t going to vote for Romney no matter what so, unless they really want Obama re-elected, they are essentially cutting their own throats.

joayn

see made this doable for Sunday:

Cain’s rising in the polls
Perry’s “comeback”
George Will’s article on Romney

I am sure Obama’s Illinois machine has been digging, digging and digging on each candidate. Perry got it first with the rock via Washington Post. They held the Cain story until it served them. Instead of everyone talking about how well Perry did in his interview with Chris Wallace and George Will’s column about Romney, everyone will be focusing on this alleged scandal.

It ties up Cain, shuts out Perry, and preserves their preferred candidate.

Aaron Gardner

But our bet is still undecided. I am sure you thought this one would be over already, no?

Finrod

I’d add Gingrich to the anti-Romney vote. I can’t see Bachmann or Santorum making it to Super Tuesday; Santorum with his Catholic pro-life credentials may overperform his national polling in the Iowa caucuses, but other than that I can’t see either of those two staying in the race past South Carolina– in fact, I can’t see more than 3 or 4 candidates (not counting Paul) still in the running after South Carolina.

devereaux

I’m not so sure Obama wants to run against Romney. IMO they want Perry. After watching the debates I bet they think Obama would chew him up.

Anyway it’s still good this came out now.

joayn

candidate had anything to do with this. This was an Obama hit job. There are few things that the Democrats do really, really well. But they excel at cheating and lying.

I also think this was meant to turn us all against each other, which seems to be working to a certain degree.

tngal

She’s out there. Santorum;s may be, but we don’t hear a lot about it. Romney’s may be, again not muc.

And yeah Mrs. Bush, Gore and Clinton were out there. I thought we were discussing this campaign. These current candidates. Some are out there in the public eye a lot. Case in point Anita. Some aren’t, case in point Gloria. That’s not her nature. But she is gong to do one now. As I stated. Its not a slam its just the way some people are hotwired. Why are you guys so defensive you think everything is a slam.

Anita does. gloria doesn’t..soooooo where am I wrong.

texasroots

Anita Perry, as the wife of a presidential candidate, has every right to campaign for her husband. To say she is seeking the limelight is totally outrageous. Please stop the attacks on Anita Perry. If Gloria does not want to campaign with her husband, that’s her choice. Please don’t accuse Anita Perry, an honorable person, of seeking the limelight when she is rightfully campaigning for her husband, Perry. Relax.

retire05

when you tried to drag Anita Perry into a discussion about Herman Cain’s problems. It was a smear against Anita Perry, and everyone knows your motive. Now you are trying to walk it back.

Sorry, you’ve already stepped in it, and that stain is not going away anytime soon.

Finrod

This story is less than 24 hours old right now. Remember that Cain didn’t say anything about it until asked directly, and even then only gave the comparatively mild ‘insensitive’ comment.

Your narrative that Cain ‘ran to the media’ is bogus and lacking any evidence.

kcdude

and totally false it sounds like a denial to me. I do not see that as a fail. Not sure Cain really has any duty to respond to a politico reporter repeating an anonymous allegation.

kcdude

I just saw him interviewed and he stated the allegation was totally baseless and totally false. It looks to me like he chose not to respond to politico and a reporter who was using anonymous sources.

tnguy

?My reaction is, that?s just very insensitive,? Cain told Fox. ?[There] isn?t a more vile, negative word than the N-word, and for him to leave it there as long as he did, before I hear that they finally painted over it, is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country.?

His words, not mine. That’s an indirect accusation of racism by Cain. And you know it’s a vile thing for Cain to do. It’s not a minor faux pas, and it’s not just politics. It’s a personal attack that he thinks will help destroy his primary competition for the conservative vote. In doing so, he lost me forever.

Too bad for him. He’s getting exactly what he gave to Perry, except he’s going to get it in spades. Because as I said in a previous post, haven’t we all paid off women for not harrassing them?

kcdude

nt

bzip

Why NOT ask ALL the candidates? Why single out Perry????

What is your problem, what is your agenda???

Maybe you could get Cain to answer a few questions, not with jokes or denials such as:

Why did his campaign obfuscate the question until today?

Why did Cain know he had sexual harassment charges filed on him ? but NOT know the NRA paid these women a settlement?

Why did the NRA pay these women a settlement ? if, as Cain says ? they did an investigation and found the charges to be balony?

Why did Cain make a run for the Presidency of the United States without digging into this himself ? and coming up with a plan to address it when someone brought it up?

Did Cain believe this wasn?t significant enough to be brought up? Really?

If Herman Cain can?t get out in front of the Liberal Media ? how?s he going to get out in front of the Iranian Nuke Program.

circlegranch

What we need to realize is that this entire process of vetting candidates, running for the nomination is all tainted and cut throat. Cain and a host of others were quick to condemn Perry’s rock issue without giving him any benefit of the doubt or even taking the time to hear Perry’s side of the story.

This is a test for Cain. If he’s president, he’ll face alot worse than this. He has the conservative media all coming out in full force support so in the end, he’ll get loads of money out of this and likely, he’ll seal his lead even further. These things are obviously media hit pieces. Mr. Cain will do just fine as a result especially since he swears he’s innocent, and didn’tknow settlements were paid out.

Instead of wasting time debating and trying to play Inspector Gadget as to who is behind this junk, stay focused on the candidates’s positions and issues. This will be old news in a week and if anybody should feel slighted and wronged, its Perry. He jumpstarted his campaign and its fell flat.

Last week it was the birther thing. Every week for the next year there’s going to be a controversy. Let’s relegate it to the dust bin until such time there’s really something to sweat over. It’s amazing how fast spin occurs! One guy takes a hit and before you know it, all the rest are on the hook as ‘suspects’. Voice your outrage toward the media. We’re getting played again.

evilleramsfan

Cain went running to the media. I said that at least Perry didn’t run to them.. You read something into it that wasn’t there. However, Cain responded the same day before Perry’s response was even released. He never said “Let’s wait to see what Governor Perry says” but instead went into condemnation mode. I stand by what I said and Cain was quick to judge and condemn.

nepanyrush

Having such a prominent conservative black man leading the GOP is very threatening to the narrative that all blacks should be on the Democratic plantation. We saw what happened to Clarence Thomas when he was nominated for the Supreme Court. Virtually the same type of attack, and it was not from conservatives or Republicans.

bzip

Cain Needs to answer a few questions, not with jokes or denials such as:

Why did his campaign obfuscate the question until today?

Why did Cain know he had sexual harassment charges filed on him ? but NOT know the NRA paid these women a settlement?

Why did the NRA pay these women a settlement ? if, as Cain says ? they did an investigation and found the charges to be balony?

Why did Cain make a run for the Presidency of the United States without digging into this himself ? and coming up with a plan to address it when someone brought it up?

Did Cain believe this wasn?t significant enough to be brought up? Really?

If Herman Cain can?t get out in front of the Liberal Media ? how?s he going to get out in front of the Iranian Nuke Program.

avagreen

WASHINGTON ? Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain’s campaign denied allegations Sunday that he was accused of sexual harassment twice while he was the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cain-Harassment/2011/10/30/id/416218?s=al&promo_code=D5EC-1

Which was is it?

He’s digging his own grave is he can’t keep his story straight about this.

circlegranch

and even though he’s likely squeaky clean and innocent, he knew he’d been accused and he should have known that this is the big leagues and nothing is left unturned. He defies his own candidancy now but dealing with it. How many candidates don’t end up with something in their background. He should have stated up front on Day One of his candidancy, along with the disclaimer on having cancer and everything else. Simply say it up front: Hey, I had an inncoent 15 years ago, it’ll come out anyway so let’s put some sunlight on it now and not give the media vultures a feeding frenzy. I was accused, found innocent. End of story. Now he has the appearance of trying to hide it as part of his past.

The truth is always the best answer and always the best first answer. The longer the truth stays hidden, the more the image of impropriety. He’ll be o.k.—no worries, Cain Train ticket holders.

gracie

and help Cain the most. Listening to Rush today the majority of the callers I heard were not only angry and defending Cain, they were asking people to send him money!

Although I am not a Cain supporter I do not want him to be taken down unfairly. Having said that I also resent that in all of the talk today, Will’s comments about Romney and particularly Perry’s excellent interview on Chris Wallace are being completely drowned out by this noise! Thus Cain may be the biggest benieiciary.

lineholder

he’s apparently left members of the National Press Club dumbfounded by singing a rendition of “Amazing Grace” at the end of his speech.

http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-must-watch-vidoe-herman-cain-just-broke-into-song-at-the-national-press-club-2011-10?op=1

circlegranch

and they ran an ad offering to pay women that would come forward and claim to have had a relationship with Perry. This is stupid, folks! Politico admitted they have been on this story for weeks. Long before all the polling started going in different directions. Politico is behind it and they are in the tank for Obama.

Stop giving fuel to the fire! Stop accusing different camps. This is Politico’s baby. Direct your blame and anger at THEM.

avagreen

^^

tnguy

Spot on.

Does it really matter if he runs to the media or responds to a question? Either way, he could’ve dismissed it and said that he didn’t believe that Gov. Perry was in any way responsible. Instead he chose to pile on, and tried to make an issue of it.

Perry has to much character to return the favor.

tngal

Its not Amazing Grace. Its “He looked beyond my faults’

The line mentions amazing grace.

“Amazing grace will always be my song of praise….”

I thought this was a strange choice today. But at least it wasn’t Nearer my god to Thee.

lineholder

Choice of song? I think choosing to see that particular moment as an opportunity to share his faith speaks volumes!

bzip

Oh it most likely will get Cain more supporters and money. Because the Messiah Cult has already started. Cain can do no wrong. Its 2008 all over again only difference is a “D” has been replaced with a “R”.

Why did his campaign obfuscate the question until today? He has a 10 day period to do something about it.

Why did Cain know he had sexual harassment charges filed on him ? but NOT know the NRA paid these women a settlement?

Why did the NRA pay these women a settlement ? if, as Cain says ? they did an investigation and found the charges to be balony?

Why did Cain make a run for the Presidency of the United States without digging into this himself ? and coming up with a plan to address it when someone brought it up?

Did Cain believe this wasn?t significant enough to be brought up? Really?

And I am still wait for my others questions that have gone unanswered by the Cain supporters like why we should support a guy without any elected office experience who is making gaffes after gaffes?

The list goes on and the gaffes go on, never even entering the minds of those who support him – like there is nothing to question, be concerned about but they sure know how to blame everyone else.

streiff

you can’t pay any attention to what he says, you have to pay attention to what his followers believe.

Scope

has been very questionable. He has gone from his campaign people outright denying any allegations, to Cain himself saying there were no allegations, to him admitting today that there were allegations (flip flop), but he says that he never sexually harassed anyone. What is he supposed to say, yes I sexually harassed someone?

I’m just hearing that he was supposed to be in his position as head of the NRA for a three year period, but resigned a few months early for personal reasons. The board members questioned said they were very surprised at his abrupt resignation, and really had no idea why he resigned. Those same board members were also unaware of the settlements that the Assoc. paid to the women.

bzip

And that is what scare me. It is 2008 all over again. God how I wanted a experienced conservative and NOT another messiah again.

I walk away from the dem’s a30 years ago. I thought the republicans had more brains – now I don’t know where to turn.

bzip

I am afraid it is hopeless. It doesn’t matter to the Cain supporters, Cain can’t do any wrong in their eyes. It doesn’t matter how many times he lies, or gaffes away or gets caught flip-flopping – to his supporters Cain can do no wrong.

The Messiah Cain has spoken and his supporters have listen without questioning.

streiff

but I think Rush is misreading what is going to happen if he thinks this helps Cain. Already his story is unraveling and his spokesman should be jailed for malpractice.

bzip

The many lies of Cain continues. First there was no such allegations, then he denies the whole thing. Now he openly admits it and with details. There has been so many lies and flip-flops on this story from Cain I can’t can’t even keep it straight.

Cain details gesture that led to sex accusation
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/cain-details-gesture-led-sex-charge

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

The most important unanswered question is from bzip:

“Why did Cain know he had sexual harassment charges filed on him ? but NOT know the NRA paid these women a settlement?”

The rest of these musings regarding the leaker’s ID are tangential.

That the NRA wishes to remain mute can be overcome, for Cain should simply be asked this question, coupled with a planned follow-up:

“Because you knew of the investigation, who told you what [when, how and why] regarding how the two charges were resolved?”

REMEMBER, he admits only now to having “heard of” the settlement; this dismissive comment doesn’t pass scratch/sniff, eh?

retire05

The WaPo “rock” story came out on a Sunday morning. Cain gave two interviews that day, and in both interviews he was asked about the “rock.” Instead of saying he was not in possession of all the facts, and that he had no comment until he did, he said exactly what tnguy said he did, that it was “insenstive” of Perry to leave it there as long as Perry did. Not one mention did Cain give that the rock was painted over by Perry’s dad, before he shot off his mouth.

Do I feel sorry for Cain now? Nope, he’s learning that the race for POTUS is not beanbag but a contact blood sport.

gracie

So now the one with the R by his name gets a total pass on his background just like the first?

This makes me a bitter clinger. I want a candidate we know as much as possible about. Here we go again! Oh we know his educational and job history and it appears to be in good order. But do we know how he thinks on a myriad of issues? Foreign policy being the most worrisome one that he appears to be learning as he goes along. He did not do his homework on right of return with our most impt ally; he is clueless as to whether we negotiate with terrorists? There are some topics you cannot say, “I do not know the answer to X but I will by the weekend.” I am not seeing good instincts.

Agree bzip it is simply not credible that he does not know whether there was a pay-out or how much. This seems phony and makes him look like he might not be a truth teller.

Lastly, was this whole issue leaked deliberately by who knows who for a million wonderful reasons…to help some, to cover up more important news but mostly I think to buy Cain some sympathy support to put him over the top in Iowa? Hate to be so cynical but this would give Cain a huge head start on the primary process. A man we know almost as little about as Obama.

bzip

To me I am actually thankful for the leaker(s). If Cain got the nomination would we rather this come out after the nomination or before?

The issue of who the leaker(s) are is stupid.

The issue is Cain and his lies, and denials and how he is handling it. To try and drag others into it is yet another stupid argument made by his worshipers.

I have a lot of questions for Cain and his Supporters but they refuse to answer them.

1bunny

the flip flopping they do is a great exercise program they can enjoy together. It’s amazing to me that people don’t like Romney and his flip flops but continually excuse Cain for his flip flops.

Tbone

If you are an attorney, get your money back.

NDAs are to contracts what horses are to cows. Basic similarities but two really different purposes.

BTW, a lease is far different still.

bzip

Currently it appears Cain is getting a free pass on much of what is being discovered, at least by his supporters.

Do we really know about his career. I ave read both good and bad articles. Some of which is not good;
http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/checking-the-fact-checkers-on-herman-cain-and-godfathers-pizzas/

It appears to me there are a lot of questions and lots of concerns but you can’t seem to get his supporters to at the very least acknowledge it. It is mind boggling to me.

I keep asking but haven’t been able to get any takers:

For a guy who has never held elected office, has no governing experience could someone please explain to me why I should vote for Cain over someone that has 10 years of consistent conservative governing experience like Rick Perry?

Could someone explain to me why I should (and all voters) stick their necks out for a guy like Cain?

Why should we possible endanger our country electing a guy that has no experience, no record to look back and see how he would govern?

If words matter (they are the only way to judge Cain since he has no record) I truly wonder how I am supposed to judge Cain based on what I have heard so far.

Cain was pro-choice or is pro-life
Cain supported TARP
Cain was for an electric fence or not
Cain is for exchanging GITMO prisoners or not
Cain is not for auditing the fed or not
Cain and racial baiting
Cain fellow blacks are brainwashed
Cain doesn?t understand the 2nd amendment
Cain does seem to understand foreign policy

Cain?s 999 plan that starts a new national sales tax and VAT.
Cain?s 999 plans that adds empowerment zones (affirmative action).

Not very conservative proposal and surely leads to bigger gov?t.

Help me to understand why you want voters to elect Cain?
If you can’t answer some very basic questions regarding someone who is trying to be the next POTUS then you either need to do more research or forget about that candidate.

bzip

The very sad part about it is his supporters will make excuses and try and blame others. The worst part is they can’t even see the faults of their own candidate. Truly sorry state for the conservative base, what an sorry state of affairs.

center77

it first did not happen, then it may have but he does not remember, then it was it did but he did not handle it, then it was it did but he had no knowledge of a settlement, and now it?s he knows they just gave her a termination package. It is just a big farce.

center77

so the idea that he told staffers not to talk to him, and he tried to show his stick to a couple of young workers does not surprise me at all. The man is so full of hubris its not funny, and I’ve thought since he started going up in the polls. He is toast, he lied to many times at the outset of this problem for it to be brushed under the rug. The only real question is whether or not enough of his supporters will wake up to see Perry is our only hope for beating Romney. Romney could not be more happy about todays events.

runner12

I do not think that she has done anything out of the ordinary or odd. In fact, it is Mrs. Cain’s absence that appears out of place.

Now this may be for various reasons that are perfectly acceptable, but nonetheless it is odd that we have not seen much of her on the campaign trail. I in no way meant it as a dig at Cain or his wife. I just pointed out the facts.

There was no need to attack Mrs. Perry

Scope

to one big question about Cain. He said earlier that there were no sexual allegations against him. At the National Press Club he says, yes, there were sexual allegations against him. Flip Flop. Then he says that he never sexually harassed anyone. What’s he supposed to say, yes I sexually harassed anyone? I am remembering when Bill Clinton got on TV with Hillary, and said “I never had sexual relations with that woman,” until the blue dress showed up.

Cain could have easily cleared this all up very easily, and at the outset. All he needed to do was tell the story, get the truth out there, but, he has been walking around all over the place with the story.

It all comes down to the fact that Cain started denying any allegations, and then today admitted the allegations. That should be enough for any rational thinking voter. Now he is blaming the whole story on just a media lynching of him. Put the blame on the media, and claim not guilty.

tngal

I have said this several times. I am not saying it again. Some people like being out in front of a camera others don’t. Its not that hard no get it right.

Mrs. Cain is not like Mrs. Perry. She doesn’t like to get out there. I have repeatedly said this. Im not addressing you parse-ing people anymore.

Normally, I’d say something like “, I’m sorry you took it that way” . But I notice its pretty much the same bunch as usual with my posts. Feel free to play amongst yourselves.

Scope

She has been over the top in her posts against Perry as long as she’s been here. Swipe low is her motto.

rightwingmom52

I didn’t see your comment as a dig at Cain or his wife, nor did I see tngal’s as a dig against Mrs. Perry. Since you didn’t intend yours as a dig, why would you assume tngal meant hers as one (and I’m asking sincerely with no snark intended)?

They’re different women with different personalities. One engages with the media and one doesn’t. You pointed out that Mrs. Cain doesn’t, and tngal pointed out that Mrs. Perry does. How is either an attack? And for the record, I agree the former situation seems a little odd.

Scope

that you are not allowed to remove your original comments about Anita Perry. Now you try to make those who have reacted as the ones that misunderstood your obvious comment. When Cain is questioned on his comments he claims that he was misunderstood. You’ve learned well from him and his campaign. Yep, I am one of the usual who reads your comments properly before you try to deny what you clearly stated. Ha, now you are running away. Too funny.

acat

There’s a difference between saying someone is in the limelight and saying that someone is seeking the limelight.

The former is, as tngal later walked back, a fact. Mrs. Perry is very engaged. As were Mrs. Bush, Mrs. Gore, and Mrs, Clinton.

The latter – accusing someone of *seeking* the limelight – seems to this cat to be a different thing entirely… as if Mrs. Perry is reduced to trying to get on Star Search. (or American Idol, if you prefer)

Mew

runner12

She is not Anita Perry.” That seems like a swipe. Why not say Ann Romney? Or even “other candidates’ wives?”

It just seemed like a pointed jab. Sorry, but when the majority of my post is spent defending a candidate that I will not even be voting for and yet someone responds to only the most miniscule of questioning of said candidate’s wife, I find that a little odd.

Maybe it wasn’t meant as a dig, often times one can be misunderstood online. But as you can see, I am not the only one who interpreted it that way.

gracie

Truly makes one wonder who and why right now? I am simply unhappy that this is winning Cain sympathy votes or money.

To be acurate, Rush did not say it was going to help Cain; it was the callers…one after another that stirred me up.

seth90212

Cain called it insensitive. Romney’s condemnation was far stronger. Why are some of you outraged over Cain’s response but not Romney’s?

californiagold

I find no comfort in Herman Cain’s responses to these reports so far. Until Cain starts answering with specifics, his candidacy will be in serious trouble.

retire05

First he dodges questions about the article. Then he says that he was “accused” of sexual misconduct, but he didn’t know who the woman was or how it was resolved because he turned it over to the HR department.

Now, today, he tells Greta Van Sustern details of his actions and that the woman was given a settlement that basically constituted a severance package. When asked what that was, he tells Greta that it was ususally three months pay.

In less than 24 hours Cain has gone from not knowing who the woman was, allowed the HR department to settle it and did not know the outcome, to yes, there were charges made but did not know the results of the outcome to now he describes what happened and what the settlement was.

Can he survive this? I am beginning to think not. Not when his story has changed so radically in less than 24 hours.

Doc Holliday

The good part is I don’t know any of these people, they are not respected Red Staters, who knows, they could be part of OWS or Daily Kos trolls. But something rotten IS happening. To many that are in the tank for Perry are willing to believe anything negative about Cain. Cain does not deserve this kind of treatment.

You know, I can’t remember a single non troll on this site who criticized Perry and his pet rock. But how many Perrybots are willing to use anything, even these claims, to hurt Cain’s support. I guess it is a good thing the haters keep failing, as their beloved keeps flailing, but that does not change how nasty it is. I think the constant bickering over candidates at this site is a major turn off. But when RS’ers turn into hacks, willing to use drive by attacks against their own, it is beyond the pale.

If I vote for Perry, it will be in SPITE of every one of you amateurs. You have to political skills, now go away. And of course I am speaking of Finrod, but the types that bashed his post. Just wanted to be extra clear. I am also not talking to any regular RS’ers, although one or two have let me down. A few others have repelled me, but they could never let me down lol.

tyman

I know the conservative movement doesn’t revolve around Rush, but he is certainly a big player.

His show really disappointed me, and I was really surprised at the way he talked to the caller from Cincinnati who had the point that we shouldn’t be allowing Politico to set the dialogue. Granted, only Rush knows what he’ll talk about tomorrow, but for today, this was issue #1, sadly.

Rush didn’t mention George Will’s piece at all that I heard nor did he mention Perry’s interview on FNS.

No one has a crystal ball to say this was or wasn’t something…just supposition, but the story has changed.

I can’t remember if Rush said that it would help Cain but, to me, he wouldn’t have dwelt on it if he thought it would hurt Herb. The sympathy support (not votes, yet, thankfully) does bother me.

Where was the sympathy when Perry was taking the beating unnecessarily?

gracie

I just don’t get it. I have all the questions you do and in fact am appreciative of your re-cap. I had totally forgotten the one about the 2nd amendment…
that he thinks this can be a State’s right issue when it is in the Constitution!

Some of his views and comments make me feel as though he has been living in a vaccuum…..not paying attention to foreign affairs; does not understand the origin of gun rights? We want a man like this for our President?

I don’t care how affable he is, I want our nominee to understand Constitution 101 and to have been present in the world such that he understands the issues of the day! Otherwise what good is his business experience? As I have said in other threads, the problem solver/advisors are not going to be available at 3 am.

bzip

So would you rather have this issue come out during the general election, perhaps a October surprise? Who knows what else may or may not come out regarding Cain.

Is it too much to ask that candidates be vetted?
Is it too much to ask that their supporters stop blaming everyone and put the fault where it belongs at the candidate himself?
Is it too much to ask that people have an open mind and can face when their favorite candidate is caught lying and flip-flopping rather than blaming everyone else?

Scope

in his National Press speech. He says if they paid any money he hoped it’s wasn’t much. Now he is going to be on with Greta Van S tonight talking about being very aware of the settlement, and says that the one woman didn’t get much money, it was about 3 months worth of salary.

Cain. Has. Been. Lying.

Will any of the Cain supporters please explain why he has been on all and every side of the truth on this issue.

retire05

with his total change in answers in less than 24 hours.

You don’t claim to not know the woman who made the charges and that you gave it over to the Human Resource department to handle claiming you didn’t know the out come of the resolution and then, in less than 24 hours, give Greta an interview where you outline what “supposedly” happened and even give details about the out of court settlement.

Cain’s own variations of the story, changing with every interview, is what is going to bury him as a candidate. Not anyone else.

And if you are a regular RSer, do you get a badge and magic code ring to go along with that membership?

bzip

That is exactly the problem…Cain has been caught lying and flip-flopping. He has been caught lying before and flip-flopping but you sure can’t get his supporters to see and understand that. They are too busy blaming everyone else.

Good Grief, have I awaken from a nightmare and found myself back in 2008 with yet another Messiah and his worshipers?

I am sicken to the conservative base fall to nothing more than a idol contest.

californiagold

The Cain campaign has a serious problem. When the Politico story first broke, there were flat denials. Now there are semi denials, with admittance that a settlement was made.

Until Cain gets all the facts out, this story will continue to have legs.

gator_hoo

Though earlier today he denied knowing about any settlements, now he remembers an incident, a settlement, and how much the settlement was for. But for Cain supporters, the latest iteration of the story is Canon, all those other explanations didn’t happen.

We were always at war with Eurasia.

tyman

It’s almost insulting to our intelligence the way this has changed, if it is intended to be believed.

Doc Holliday

you said your goal here is not to make friends in a previous thread, I would say you are way surpassing your goal, congrats.

Doc Holliday

you and many others trouble makers. Then you bash Cain using the allegation, and we are to take your “concerns” seriously why?

gekster

that some here would take glee at another candidates misfortune at an attempted smear, and not in the political discourse this site should be about.
Wether true or not, those jumping on the Cain is dead bandwagon should and do know better.

bzip

Well I too am very bewildered. Bewildered and seriously confused and sicken to see what I thought were conservative looking for someone that could lead. A leader that was consistent, had a history, has governing experience but it seems they are only interested in inspiring speeches and are so blind that they can’t even see the faults of their own candidate.

rightwingmom52

I guess comments are in the eye of the beholder, but I’m willing to take tngal’s word she meant nothing by it. I wonder if she had said “Ann Romney” how many people would have responded, but I guess we’ll never know.

No doubt I’m guilty of having worded things where no agenda or malicious intent was meant and have certainly been accused of doing so. It is indeed easy to misunderstand or jump to the wrong conclusion on the net, and I’m just tired of seeing folks, especially conservatives, think the worst of one another.

Doc Holliday

that is exactly my point. A bunch of people here are acting like the worst of hacks. You guys don’t want Perry to win because he is better, you want him to win no matter what, if one of his opponents gets hit by a bus, then so be it.

Sorry, I want Obama defeated, I don’t placate the drive byes when they try to pick us off.

Doc Holliday

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gator_hoo

Now he remembers not only that a settlement occurred, but that what led to it and what the amount of the settlement was. Not odd at all to you?

retire05

over to HuffingtonPost where those tactics are appreciated.

You will fit right in over there since you have their tactics down pat.

californiagold

How the media plays the Cain responses to the charges will have more effect on his candidacy than the actual charges themselves. So far, Cain has done a rotten job defending himself.

Scope

I see cocktail hour has started early in the Doc Holliday household. Nothing else can explain this rant.

Doc Holliday

and you angry vile personal attacks mean nothing to me.

retire05

I don’t know anyone who wants Cain to sink over this, if, and that is IF, the charges are not true. But giving convoluted explainations that change everytime he opens his mouth is not going to help him, and will, in the end hurt him.

You calling people “hack trolls” doesn’t help you, or Herman Cain.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

He’s toast; NAILED by trying to cover-up!

He already contradicted himself; the FNC all-stars are attacking him for winging-it, particularly because they knew this was brewing ~10 days ago.

He lied when he said he didn’t know of any settlement; the story has legs.

There is no consensus as to who leaked, but who cares?

Now he knows BOTH women…initially he only recalled ONE of them….

californiagold

…and face reality.

Herman Cain now admits there was a settlement. He no longer denies that fact. As long as the terms of the settlement remain a private matter, Cain will continue to be on the defensive. What he should have done was come clean when the story first broke and put it behind him.

And yes, Obama needs to be defeated. But nominating an inexperienced guy with serious baggage isn’t the way to do it.

gator_hoo

We were always at war with Eurasia.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…Cain refused to join him in a national ticket, which was a reflex comment based on limited information.

That’s why there is a feeling among Perry-supporters that this is “just desserts.”

FNC suggests the interview with Greta is chuck-full of quotable-quotes.

rightwingmom52

has been posted numerous times, yet bzip and others continue to ignore it. The link is here.

Doc Holliday

I am calling out atrocious behavior at this site that has been going on throughout the primary. I am not convinced any of these guys is the right man, so I want them fight fair. My comments are about people who are damaging this site with their boring, repetitive, unoriginal hack style attacks on fellow Republicans.

Cain in particular has done little to draw this kind of animosity. I can only guess that he pisses certain people off because he wont go away.

bzip

I don’t ignore anything. We have plain video of Cain and his misstatements:

gracie

if we are talking about the same person who did not want the entire show to be about Cain; instead wanted to talk what Congress is doing as we speak?

I have not seen him act like that in a long time. He totally let the narrative be about Cain and yes! Rick Perry’s success was ignored. Perry has worked extremely hard catching up and has surpassed many with his jobs and tax plan plus a very articulate interview…and not a word. And yes, cannot remember any such support for Perry during his trials.

I am past angry at that Perry’s screw-ups are the only thing getting publicity, never his successes. He has to fight Fox and most of the radio media with only the help of bloggers getting his positive message out…thank you Aaron Gardner!

izoneguy

I thought today he would go into melt down.
I have not seen every response he has done but
he did a good save from last night’s horrible
response by his spokesman.

I think in the end this will make Cain stronger.
I think Romney is now toast.
This will be between Perry and Cain.

seth90212

I’m curious as to why you all are attacking Cain who was asked about the rock and called it “insensitive?” Which is very mild. What did you expect him to say, that he loved the rock? Isn’t he also going to be president of black America if elected? Romney called the rock “offensive.” Much stronger condemnation.

I hope there isn’t a racial component to the reaction of Perry supporters. Because the white guy makes a much stronger statement and you all seem to let him off the hook, while attacking the black guy who made a milder statement.

Regarding the sexual harassment thing, I think it only helps Cain. You’ll see him doing even better in the next round of polling and fundraising will be helped as well.

seth90212

Sorry, no one can spin this into some huge campaign-ending controversy. All the publicity is only going to help Cain.

gekster

with joy at 8 last hight when the news first broke.
Then it was only an acusation.
Then the rumors started flying as to who leaked it, from Obama to Romney to Perry.
Heck, even to Bachmann.
One guy went so stupid he wound up getting the axe.

And all within the first three hours of the news.
Before any facts came out.
I say look at ourselves, what have we become.

txpat

does Cain get a pass and a walk back.
He has done no favors to himself with the changing stories.
It is a mess, and these women will come out and talk.
They will gain more $$ if they come out about it.
I see this thing hanging over him for a while.

seth90212

of some false charges from the 1990′s. I’ve been falsely accused of sexual harassment so I know where he’s coming from.. At my job bosses won’t meet with female employees without the presence of another woman in the room to act as a witness. It’s that bad.

Perry supporters ought to support him positively instead of trying to pile on the witchhunt against Cain. Your motives are so transparent.

Look, Cain is even polling ahead of Perry in Texas. If you feel so pationately about your man maybe you should be out working or making phone calls for him instead of trying to fan the flames on this non-story.

lineholder

I found myself seriously uncomfortable at RS in a way that I never have been before.

I had been surfing around and came across the video of Cain singing at the end of the Press Club meeting. More than anything else, it was a Christian-to-Christian response that I had at the moment. It can take a lot of strength of belief and conviction for a person to share their faith in the way that Cain did today, and I rejoiced in his behalf over it. I know that not everyone here is a Christian, but one of the things we believe is that life doesn’t end when our body’s die, and there will come a moment when we look directly into the face of God and have an opportunity to hear “well done” for something that we succeeded in doing during our time here that was pleasing to Him. And I believe Cain earned a share of that today. I was happy for him.

So, I brought it here to post. I wasn’t paying much attention to the comments list at the time. I posted the video, responded to a comment that someone made, then started looking at the comments list and saw the references to people having a “Messiah” complex over Cain. My heart sank, because I felt that was how the my posting the video would be interpreted, and that wasn’t how it was meant. And I’ve been uncomfortable because of it since then.

The “heat” of politics just seems to be overwhelming everything else right now.

Doc Holliday

I don’t see an excess of interpretation going on around here lately. Well, that is not completely fair, but there is a significant group sucking the wind out of this place, they are not interpreting, they are regurgitating. I think some are just new to primaries and figure it is a blood sport of some kind, I think others have motives only known to themselves, and some people here are just jerks, and they know who they are.

Most here at Red State are serious conservatives who are interested in politics, they get no special enjoyment out of thrashing strangers on the internet. I have noticed many are not posting as often, and I know for a fact that many have tired of the cat fights and moved on.

I saw Cain singing today and I was moved as well. I wonder if he was singing to God as a form of prayer, during one more trial he faces. I don’t think people will misread why you posted the video, it was a powerful moment. Heck, even the Perry supporters will have to admit Cain has a good voice lol.

Don’t worry about what others think, say what you want to say, post what you want to post. If you are true to yourself, the haters can’t hurt you.

tngal

to the diaries section. I have posted a Pro-cain diary. Good news of the day on Mr. Cain that might have got overlooked.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…particularly an unbridled attack on Perry.

There is no racism here, just like attacks on BHO are policy-related.

The attack on Cain’s credibility and lies will persist.

gracie

I have reviewed your videos and the one below.
I did not arrive here with a bias against Herman Cain. Actually I am from Texas and still had to be convinced over many months that Perry was the best alternative. IMO.

We all know we can all look at the same material and come to differing opinions. I have had a number of problems with Cain for weeks… his initial poor debating style, his “ask my advisors foreign policy,” then the really confusing pro-life explanation, Gitmo/terrorists negotiation. I also did not like the way he jumped on the Romney for VP train and negated Rick Perry over a rock that he did not own. Now today….the allegations may prove to not have substance but his denial of the amount of payment seems absurd to me. The changing stories….icing on the cake.

I too have fantasized about him taking on Obama in a debate….that is until the day I decided he would be the loser. Then I became afraid of his ever becoming our Leader.

Thus I stand by my view of how confusing his statements are including the 2nd Amendment, the video bzip provided happens to be one I have seen live. Taking all into account, I simply do not trust him.

Doc Holliday

we should look at ourselves. I know when they tried to trash Perry, it made me like him more. I may take a shot at Perry once in a while, but only the within bounds stuff. When the drive bye’s fire on him again, as they are sure to do, I will have his back. And I say the same for Romney too, if they use their cheap trash and burn techniques.

My goal is Obama as a citizen again, I am not going to lose focus on that goal.

Scope

and it was all over the news, and some diaries here covered that unfair attack, some of the biggest Cain supporters here had absolutely nothing to say. Nothing, no comment, no outrage at an unfair allegation, no comment at all really, crickets. I just went back and looked at the comments on those diaries, in some cases hundreds of comments and crickets from some Cain supporters. There are two names that stand out to me, Rightwingmom and lineholder. Why weren’t you there to defend an implied racist charge against Perry, by Cain? You never came to any defense of Perry, even though Perry has never been a racist, by many accounts. But, you are so ready to come to Cain’s defense even though the story is ongoing, and, Cain actually has been proven to have lied?

JSobieski

In any case, the information that is in the public domain is hardly “confidential” at this point.

The way most NDAs are written you only have to keep the information confidential until the information is no longer confidential.

acat

on retire05.

Walk away.

Mew

JSobieski

(1) legally binding contracts OR
(2) things people say that don’t mean much if there is no follow through.

What makes an NDA binding is the promise by both sides—both sides promise to do something.

acat

Wouldn’t he have to prove he was born here?

kidding!

Mew

nepanyrush

It seems like in the passion to support a particular candidate, some posters have completely gotten away from a discussion of the issues to bashing supporters of another candidate. I have been so turned off by the bashing of Romney and his supporters “(Romneyzombies”, really?) and now Cain that I am growing more passionate for those two. And some posters seems to have a slash-and-burn attitude toward opposing candidates, poisioning people against the candidates not only for the primary but likely the primary, with some now posting that they would never vote for Romney and one even posting that he (or she) would rather Obama win than Romney.

Maybe it is political operatives on the boards poisoning people — I don’t know. But somehow we need to get back to the issues and less time spent on attacking supporters and for time adhering to the policy that whoever gets the GOP nomination will get our support.

Doc Holliday

I was going to call Hinz rule myself but I only speak for myself.

JSobieski

But there are plenty of examples in real life where people react to the breach of another party.

Ever receive a bill that was erroneous? Do you have for goods or services you don’t receive? Did you march to court to get a ruling that you didn’t owe the money, or did you simply not pay?

seth90212

instead of fanning the flames. If you had remained silent or neutral, nobody would accuse you of desperately grasping at straws in order to try to help your candidate.

I still contend that Cain never accused Perry of racism.. He simply said the rock was “insensitive.” You are making the jump from that description to accusations of racism simply because Cain is black. We have evidence that when a white candidate, Romney, described the rock as “offensive,” no one accused him of calling Perry a racist.

acat

quash you, Doc. Certainly not to speak for you.

Just pointing out that it’s happened, in case you’d missed it.

Mew

luvnthebigsites

I share Docs pain and many others… Its the silly season, debate and vetting is over and the long knives have come out. As the Old Media dies and the New media grows… Well I guess its called “Growing pains”.

I look forward to some leadership on this front in the future. (And your participation).

Doc Holliday

I was not criticizing your admonition, I was just saying if I called it, no one would listen lol.

Doc Holliday

I didn’t say a citizen of what

acat

Seriously.

Mew

acat

Well played, sir!

Mew

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…and this is the fate that awaits Herman.

Tbone

Not only are you ignorant of legal matters, you appear to be incapable of understanding even the basic concepts involved. I mean does this make sense?

“Written agreements fall into one of two categories. ”

“(2) things people say that don?t mean much if there is no follow through.”

Look up “oral contract”. I think that’s what you mean, though there really is no telling.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

“settlement” vs. “agreement”

he is shifting, now claiming he didn’t remember details.

“It depends upon what the definition of “is’ is!”

tngal

As much as people keep shrieking over “yes or no herman.” On everything from the abortion thing to this, they don’t like his answer. So now Politico gives a non-answer. They won’t deny its another camp.

_________
“CNN?s Wolf Blitzer on Monday pressed reporter Ken Vogel of Politico on whether the publication relied on opposition research from one of Cain?s rivals.

?Politics are politics as you said, and certainly there are people that are digging up opposition research,? Vogel said. ?I?m just not going to do anything that would identify ? that would point to the identity of our original source.?
_________

See, Vogel could have said. No, it definately WAS NOT a member of another current campaign. All candidates are in the clear. He could have said. I don’t know the identity of the source. He could have said I think it was someone who use to belong but is no longer a member of a campaign. He could have said there was no source we snooped through 15 years worth of garbage at the landfill. There were several avenues. But to say “I’m just not going to do anything that would identify”….hmmm this smells odd. They didn’t have to name a specific candidate as their anonymous source, but they could have at least said – absolutely it was not another candidate.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/31/politico-won%e2%80%99t-say-if-rival-campaign-fed-them-cain-story/#ixzz1cPJhlOHt

lineholder

,

Scope

a few months ago? He even said one day in his opening that he was getting many emails asking him to please get off the Palin bandwagon, he still continued on the Palin bandwagon all day, every day. Noe his latest leg tingle has been Cain. Apparently he doesn’t have any interest in the unfolding Cain story, and has just kept on his Cain is the greatest thing since sliced bread story. When I heared that he was getting on the Cain bandwagon yet again today, I turned his show off, and turned on an MSM channel. Sad when you get more info. from the left than those that supposedly are conservatives. Even after there have been so many instances where Cain has not been a conservative, Rush said he has never been anything than conservative. Rush is losing it. Maybe it is his new wife that is driving his message. Who knows. Rush has changed drastically.

txpat

at least admit that Cain and crew botched this thing.
They changed what they knew of the story several times in less than a 24 hr news cycle.
They knew the story was in the works 10 days prior to it’s release, but didn’t have a planned message to make it go away.
How he handles this will tell the tale for his future.
Yeah it bad deal he was given, better out now than later.

onemovoter

After the story broke about the word on the rock. Cain said that it was offensive and that Perry was insensitive in not removing it, leaving it there as long as they did.

I was flaming mad when he said that. I figured Cain should have known it was a set up story and not taken the bait when asked. But he was wanting to keep taking Perry down with the herd and went full bore with the story. That really turned me off from Cain, as up to that point I would have gone with Cain or Perry.

That and his kissing butt of the Muslim clerics after saying he would not hire any muslims to his administration. It showed me that when it comes to the media, Cain is still weak and caves to them too easily.

Xasteius

At least my gut says so.

clintonformccain

This is what happens when, in their haste to endorse non-politicians, voters support candidates for very high office who have never been publicly vetted. The truth is that we know absolutely nothing about Herman Cain.

Scope

So we have the anti-Perry’s calling out the pro-Perry’s and you call Hintz rule on retire05. There arwe many here that support retires commenys, myself included. What has he done to warrant the Heintz Rule? Is it because he has remained respectful in his comments, but argues his positions? Is it because he doesn’t take crap from the Cainaics? Is it because he stays on message with supporting Perry? What the hell is your problem? Or, are you just coming out in support of your friends. You are wrong, and I would never have ever expected you to come out against an honest poster. Is it because some of your friends here have disparaged him? Good to know how shallow your positions are. My friends lie, and I will swear to it.

seth90212

and Cain later clarified that he did not mean to make it a racial issue, nor was he trying to play the race card.

Later, Romney too was questioned and he went even further, calling the rock “offensive.” To my knowledge none of you Perry backers have leveled similar charges of race-baiting or race-card playing against Romney. I want to know why you’re picking on Cain, who replied to the same question with a much milder answer than Romney.

By the way, do you really expect Cain or any serious presidential contender to say he would not consider any Muslims for his cabinet? I’m glad he clarified his position in that instance.

luvnthebigsites

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Scope

that those that are coming out against you are self-described libertarians. They will gang up against your posts, just as they have done here, and the other night. Ignore them please. You can never out argue a libertarian, never.

acat

I didn’t call it, I’m just pointing out that it’s been called. You can do your own search and find it.

Your attacks at me are well over the line. Step away from the keyboard before you say something I can’t politely ignore as “in the heat of the moment”.

Mew

bzip

Does it really matter where it came from? perhaps you would rather it cae=me out Oct 2012 as a Oct surprise.

It amazes me how much interest there is about where it came rather than the Cain ignored it fo 10 days then was caught in many lies and flip-flopping. That is the worse part but you seem to rather focus on who sent out the story…boy it couldn’t get any better could it/

bzip

The Cain supporters can’t even admit to the botched up job that the Cain camp has done. They are too busy ignoring that and blaming others.

Doc Holliday

if you rubbed it in your own face. What are you doing in a recent post attacking Lineholder and Rightwingmom with a bunch of nonsense? You attack me saying I am drinking, a drunk, etc.

Acat told me to start posting recipes for trolls

let me tell you, whatever recipe I post, add a little thorazine to it.

I thought we had decided not to correspond, you broke that tonight. I still have nothing to say to you and am still amazed that you have lasted so long here. You DO make Retire05 look like Mother Theresa, so in a way I agree with you.

seth90212

probably gained a lot of converts because of the way he handled it. Watch the next round of polling and I believe I will be proven right. And Cain’s campaign coffers are probably bulging from all the new money coming in due to this attempted high-tech lynching.

There is currently a video out of Rick Perry giving a speech while seemingly high or drunk or both. That’s much more damaging in my opinion. If he was a higher profile candidate like Cain or Romney it would’ve gotten much more play. Nevertheless, I don’t believe Perry’s campaign can recover from this episode. He’s done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M4gz97Y9W8&lc=VMKJFvqF-gUNdP4ZsOZZb0brZQ4MkbVMPJEqssBU0gM&feature=inbox

JSobieski

There are two kinds of promises
(1) Promises that are legally binding in court
(2) Promises that people can back out of

An NDA is a binding contract. Even the people writing on wikipedia know that. Frankly, I expected better from you.

streiff

Cain’s response to this, given he had 10 days advance notice that it was going to happen, will become a case study in how not to respond to a crisis.

BTW, watch the whole Perry video, not just the fun stuff. I know it is more than 2 minutes but it would be enlightening.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

Cain for equivocating at first. just my opinion…time will tell

Xasteius

It stayed in the Recommended Diaries for a week.

Cain is simply confirming his lack of character. He is Obama, sans more intelligent, and willing to play GOPers for his power.

JSobieski

http://www.lanternlegal.com/non-disclosure.php

Might want to brush up on Google or take a high school class on business law.

Xasteius

no text

bzip

I didn’t know what to make of the video as far as the politics but I now enjoy Perry far more than what I did before seeing the video .

Looks like he would be lots of fun to have a beer and BBQ with

joayn

up the division between us and keep us fighting.

Why do you expect these people to be reasonable?

bonnman

I do care how he handles the situation and you’re right, did Cain really think this wouldn’t be brought up? And why didn’t he have a prepared way to handle this? Thats the problematic part,

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

And most folks will forgive the first response to the gotcha question on the sex harass matter. imho

but what is this about a pet rock and why is Doc so upset?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

Doc is so upset?

bzip

It is not the sex charges, it is the changing of the story, the flip-flopping, the ly=ies, the why the entire Cain Camp has handled this – that is the worst part of it.

Scope

I don’t care who called any Heintz rule on retire. He has most assuredly PO’d many of the Cain supporters, but, what the hell did he say that is bannable or to be ignored? You come back and present for me what he has ever said that should be called out of bounds? You come back and tell me where he has not been respectful in his posts? You come back and tell me why you think the Heintz Rule should be called on him? What has he said that is offensive to anyone? How many others here have been so very offensive to the candidate they don’t support? Who has he offended? What have you been offended by that warrants calling Heintz rule on him? In your closed jury and trial with your buds, what is he guilty of? What has he said that pisses you off so much? Answer those questions acat, reasonably and rationally, and if you can, I’ll give you kudos. Don’t know where you are coming from but, you have a very strange way of coming out for some, but then come out against others for no reason. That’s a fact.

Xasteius

for rent

Doc Holliday

I think if you read my post it is pretty clear. The “pet rock” was my own nomenclature, I thought it was kind of funny. The point was no one here jumped on Perry when the drive byes tried to smear him, but many are using the smear du jour on Cain as a partisan political point.

Of course my best line was “they keep failing while their candidate keep flailing”. Of course you could switch it around and have the same meaning.

seth90212

a serious presidential candidate doesn’t give a speech seemingly under the influence. It’s much worse for Perry than the harassment claims are for Cain.

bzip

Ah, but it can be clearly turn around. A presidential candidate doesn?t get caught in a lie much less several lies. It’s just not becoming nor trusting of a potential POTUS.

Scope

You have done that as long as I have known you here. You want to be the decider of who posts here, or who doesn’t. Oooh, you’ve been here so long you should owm the place, right? Lately you couldn’t have been more gleeful in bashing every Perry supporter. Geepers, if everyone you asked to be banned here was banned, you’d be having a conservation with yourself. That’s a fact. When some don’t accept your positions, you cry victim. BooFreakinhooo!

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

and I’m too tired to read the whole thread. Read some but still didn’t get it.

I have commented for several weeks at my surprise at the anti-Cain-bots here.

I also think that the American public is on to this whole sexual harassment game and that Cain will benefit from the attacks.

acat

You appear to be letting emotion get the better of you. Calm down.

Mew

Doc Holliday

Can you say the same thing? The mods read this stuff too. You have the most angry bad side of anyone I have encountered at this site. I have not commented on a post of yours until tonight, when you accused me of being drunk. Did I say something about you to cause this? Were you being respectful?

I have called people trolls but I do it very rarely. I did it 20 minutes ago and Streiff banned the guy. He didn’t do it for me, he did it because the person was a troll.

Scope, you were doing a good job of staying out of my business, why not try for a new record? I know I have no desire to chat with you.

btw, Retire first came on my radar when he said twice that the Republican debates made Hispanics believe Republicans hated them. Now maybe that is not disrespectful, but then again, maybe the sun will not come up tomorrow.

seth90212

He must be doing something right.

gator_hoo

I appreciated Cain using the spotlight to talk about faith, which needs to be done more often, such as Perry’s prayer rally.

I don’t dislike Cain the person, but I still don’t think he would make a good president, or even a particularly conservative one.

Doc Holliday

my first post in the thread covers it. Acat is already getting attacked because of me, I don’t want him take anymore on my behalf.

avgjo

First off, let me state: I don’t know if Cain did or did not sexually harass anyone. I do think his comment about the woman’s height was weird, and his comment about not recalling any meetings with women in hotel rooms was too Clintonesque. Those things said, Cain has no credibility with thinking, observant people. Everytime he screws up, he claims he was misrepresented, misquoted, taken out of context, lied on or that he was joking. So why just believe him now? for me, I’ll only do it to extend to him the courtesy that he did not extend Gov. Perry with that stupid rock incident. I do think Xasteius’s comment below is the correct thing. Look for more, folks.

Tbone

Try this. Had you actually read up thread instead of sticking your two cents worth in you would have found that the discussion spoke to the core purpose of an NDA which is a promise(s) not to disclose confidential information, presented outside of the agreement, which may be unilaterally or bilaterally confidential.

Now, when used in a settlement, the confidential information is always bilateral in that a settlement contains valuable consideration where as a typical business NDA does not contain consideration.

The parties agree to keep the terms of the settlement confidential and that would typically include identities of the parties as well. As such, a disclosure of the woman’s name would breach that settlement agreement.

Now, even if Cain were not a signatory to that settlement, provided his employment agreement as CEO was written by a minimally competent attorney, it would include confidentiality clauses that would require him to abide by the confidentiality clauses contained in the settlement entered into by the Corporation either during his tenure or for any corporate acts subsequent to his tenure which would involve his acts as CEO.

The core purpose of a lease is to grant tenancy in exchange for consideration. A lease that doesn’t do this is no lease at all.

In a lease, the ability to cancel the lease without cause is actually a consideration clause. This means that the other party is theoretically getting something in return for granting the other party the right to unilaterally cancel. This is usually a payment or waiver of a fixed amount of rent.

The concept of granting a waiver of the core purpose of securing confidentiality is just as ludicrous as creating a lease without tenancy and consideration.

I assume your practice is limited to family court?

acat

From my point of view, it looks like emotions are running high and getting the better of people who normally are pretty level headed.

My point to Doc was that this might be a good thread to bypass, and a good topic to avoid until tempers cool and facts become clear.

For this, I’m now drawing venom and attacks. Alas.

Mew

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

The MSM/LSM are sympathetic but, cummon….

Scope

but you have asked for some here to be banned outright in your comments. I also agree with retire that some Republicans do in fact hate hispanics. That is a fact. Think Tom Tancredo. I have said over and over that the Republicans have used some of the most hateful rhetoric against hispanics that I have ever seen. How dumb and stupid to disparage and ridicule a whole segment of the population that are conservative at heart, just as Reagan said. “They are Republicans, they just don’t know it.” The Republicans have insured that they never know it with their horrible words.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…but let’s see how he fares during the next week or two.

gekster

What are the numbers,
who did the polling,
who did they ask,
what were the questions.
Is this before or after the Cain flap.
Just what are the particulars.

Doc Holliday

and most ended up being banned. They weren’t banned because of anything I said, they were banned because they were trolls. Anyway, I think people here know I am not going around asking for all kinds of people to be banned.

Retire was not talking about Tancredo, he said the Republican debates made Hispanics think we hate them, he said that three times.

I hope we can agree to disagree and drop this. I really can’t stand the pointless back and forth vitriol. We both got are digs in, let’s leave it at that.

gator_hoo

Perry expresses cogent ideas and doesn’t slur any of his words, so obviously not drunk. Probably trying to connect with the audience, who, if you watch the end, gave him a standing ovation.

The drunk charge is reckless.

rightwingmom52

I’ve negotiated (under the oversight of attorneys) many temporary storage or kiosk leases on behalf of department stores and small tenants. Nine times out of ten, landlords will demand a right to cancel for any reason because it’s always a possibility they can rent the space at a higher rate for a tenant use other than storage. In these instances, the small tenants get nothing in return. If they want the storage, they agree to the cancellation and most everything else because they have no leverage. It was and is standard practice unless you’re talking about a major tenant like a chain of department stores that might have multiple leases with the same landlord. And I’ve negotiated on both sides of this issue.

gator_hoo

Cain ahead by 1%, but the Statesman is a particularly liberal paper, hard to give a lot of credence to it.

seth90212

Cain shouldn’t be anywhere near Perry in TX before or after any “flap.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

To be a Black conservative is to have been called Uncle Tom all your life. And now, knowing that he suffered the PC Lib Corporate sex harassment case that was settled and still ran for office.

This kind of crap is what keeps so many real conservatives from running.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

God bless you brother

Tbone

“If they want the storage, they agree to the cancellation”

That is a consideration is it not?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

Perry-bots are jumping on Cain like liberals usually do?

lineholder

Texas GOP Republican Poll, conducted by Texas Tribune/UT, but technically it’s a dead heat, Cain27/Perry26, and yes, it was prior to this weekend, so that could change

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/10/31/cain-slips-past-perry-in-texas-poll/

seth90212

seemed drunk.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

the media anal exam

kaheo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TtsjT70eME&feature=player_embedded

then decide whether he was drunk. If he really was drunk am sure someone from his campaign will let it out. Lets give him the benefit of doubt for now that he was just trying too hard to be funny/cool/relaxed.

I don’t think it will harm Perry that much, but the Herman story seems to be getting worse. By getting worse, I mean how his campaign has handled it.

I think Cain can still redeem himself but he needs to put this story to rest tomorrow morning.

Doc Holliday

you have to have better things to do. I often post in threads were I have not read the entire thing. I read a lot of this one because I was here when it posted,

You have the general gist of my commentary, I am surprised you don’t feel the same way. I know you seem to have yet to declare a camp, but are trying to be fair to both. I am trying to be fair too. I take my shots at Perry but would never glom onto a drive bye attack. BTW, did you hear Limbaugh today? It is posted at Real Clear Politics.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

nt

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

this will actually help Cain because it shows he had the courage to run despite this faux liberal PC skeleton in his closet and even despite his shock bad answer at first.

imho

gator_hoo

But Doc and Scope, both of you need to take a few minutes away from the computer. I like both of your posts generally, but this has gotten down to nothing but bad blood and name calling. I understand that everyone here is upset about how Obama has run the country, and because the stakes are so high there is a lot of tension.

I know I am going to be attacked for not minding my own business, and taking hard positions toward a candidate is perfectly in bounds, but this is pushing the extreme.

Xasteius

The sample size is 500, making it small, but Obama beats everyone else (i.e. Romney, Cain) by 5 points (4 points in the case of Romney).

acat

for his whole life.

Herman Cain is a remarkable human being. He has many amazing and varied accomplishments to his name thus far in his life, and may reach higher still. Part of that will depend on how he handles this.

As for this event, it’s very sad but very typical of politics. The mores may change but the dirty tricks never do.

My criticism of Cain thus far consists of observing that if he knew this was out there, he should have had an answer in the can, ready to go. As it is, he seems to have been caught flat-footed. Even if it was covered by NDA, the lesson of Jack Ryan applies .. sealed doesn’t mean squat. I hope this really is nothing, not because I’m a Cain supporter but because he’s a good man and deserves justice, not this garbage.

And yes, it’s exactly why so few run; who wants to subject every challenge of their entire lives to the media?

Mew

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

this contract matter

Doc Holliday

I am done with it and I have no ill feelings toward Scope. I said the same thing in a post when I left the site for a month.

gator_hoo

Okay…

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

I think most people that aren’t libs or in the tank for his GOP opponents will give him a pass on it as human being having a BS charge brought up 15 yrs later. He shouldn’t have to be answering this BS.

Cain will survive this.

Next.

gekster

A poll done on a liberal university by a liberal newspaper,
who wants the conservative to look bad.

That is why I asked the questions I did.
Do you want to give me an honest answer, or tell me again I don’t get it.

rightwingmom52

Most of the time notice was 24 hours to 3 days.

seth90212

you’re counting on to go an a Cain witchhunt. Perry supporters are scouring that same MSM for any “hopeful” anti-Cain article as relates to these allegations.

acat

not knowing who breached what, his ability to reply and not make things worse was somewhat murky .. not to mention 15 year old recollections aren’t always sharp.

Cain can survive this. Whether he will depends on two things – first, whether there’s any fire to this smoke; second, whether he can be seen to deal with it with integrity.

Mew

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

this phenomenon for weeks, ie the Perry-bots. But I never call for banning. But I am with you otherwise 100% and Perry is my current 2nd choice after Cain. They all have flaws. Why can’t Perry-bots just admit that and seek votes based on their guy’s positives? This tearing down of Cain is just ugly and counter-productive.

gekster

if they are saying what you want to hear.
That’s what fake conservatives use to push thier points,
even using lefty polling.

acat

Perry is my #1, Cain my # 2, but it’s a narrow space between them.

Mew

Doc Holliday

or did that seep in because someone claimed I do it all the time?

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

God bless

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

a friend almost verbatim what Rush said after the breaks!

Doc Holliday

there are people at this site that contact the mods all the time asking for people to be banned. I actually have never done such a thing, but I have been told by those that do it. Maybe this will be like trying to get pee out of a pool, but I do not go around trying to get people banned. I also know my place here, I have been here a long time…………..and well, that is about it, that as far as I have climbed the ladder lol. No mod is going to ban ANYONE because I say so. And I have been banned.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

that lodge bulls**t charges of this kind. They are not fair. Its much like why I was so upset with Perry for the gardener matter. Conservatives should be above and beyond such violations of the social compact.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

meow

avgjo

Perry and his family removed it as soon as they had the legal right to do so. That was anything but insensitive.

Romney did use race baiting. So there.

I’m curious: what is the assumption behind your rhetorical question re: Muslims. Please be explicit.

Herman Cain lies, and then crawfishes when he gets caught. His supporters are blind to it. He’s sort of the BHO of the right.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

He was a real writer and after Pilgrim, the best friend I ever had online. I never agreed with the Hinz rule! Dave died just two years ago around Thanksgiving? I think.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

page brother

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

work

lineholder

I’m glad for it. It would make sense that after seeing the difference Conservative policies can make, that the people of WI would be more inclined to choose a Conservative over Obama.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

Doc and Gamecock….xxooxx…harassment?

ihavehadit

I understand the lastest woman got her settlement in 1999 and Cain left the organization in June of 99. Does this strike anyone as strange??? Was he asked to step down with a settlement package of his own?? Two women from this organization get settlements for harrassment charges and then he leaves. Sounds to me like they decided to get rid of him before anymore charges came their way. Something a decent reporter needs to ask this man.

lineholder

Thanks for mentioning it. So Rush sees it as being a societal threat to the Dems? That’s what I think, too.

ihavehadit

I no more believe this poll than the man in the moon. Ron Paul would definitely poll higher in Texas than Cain and so would the present Governor unless the poll was taken with liberal university students, mostly democrats. The same with the liberal newspapers. These polls reflect nothing and the candidates all know it.

gator_hoo

but it isn’t me. I have been quick to say that I don’t give the media credence on this.

What I have said, and what most, if not all, of the people who think that there may be something to this have said is not that “Politico said it so it must be true.” but that if you are to believe the undisputed facts and the story as according to Cain, the Cain campaign was made aware of this issue 10 days ago, when it finally broke, the campaign:

1) acknowledged there had been allegations, but said that the issues had been resolved amicably; then
2) denied that any accusations had been made; then
3) acknowledged that the accusations had been made, but denied any knowledge of any settlements; then
4) acknowledged that they were aware of settlements, of the behavior which brought about the settlement, and of the amount of the settlement.

All of these different answers came within a 24 hour period after he had a 10 day window to determine what happened, so it can’t be said that the situation was rapidly evolving.

So, no I am not trusting the media account; what I am pointing out is that taking 4 different positions in 24 hours is not the way to establish yourself as a moral authority on this issue.

Tbone

initiative.

The core concept of a lease is the exchange of tenancy for rent.

If I signed a 200 sq. ft. kiosk lease for 12 months at $2000 per month, my financial obligation would be $24,000 agreed?

However, if the landlord requests/requires the right to cancel my lease prior to the expiration of the term, my consideration for granting that right is the landlord’s waiver of whatever the balance is remaining on the $24,000 at the time of the exercise of the cancellation clause .

As such, the waiver of the balance is my consideration for granting the right to a unilateral decision to cancel.

See how that works?

gator_hoo

Thanks.

rightwingmom52

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iidvbii

Looks like you are making some new friends. Funny all these Cain folks didn’t have anything to say when their beloved leader was piling on Perry but when its cains turn in the middle they all wanna cry foul. Go figure?
Guess the moral of the story is don’t throw a “rock” when you live in glass house eh? Karma sucks….

lineholder

I’m glad they’re emphasizing that. If we (meaning Conservatives as a whole) can just stop rising to the bait in less than 60 seconds flat every time the MSM throws something out there…we might actually win big-time in 2012, in more ways than one.

rkcurtin

Something this serious needed for Cain to sit down and put down as much as he remembered and organize his thoughts/response.

It’s a big, ugly world out there and this does NOT show good management ability….

acat

Unfortunately, it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

Mew

Doc Holliday

are you a sock puppet? I never heard of you. And I defended Perry when the drive by media tried to slime him.

retire05

a wad.

The problem they can’t accept is that Cain’s campaign has handled this problem miserably. The Cain campaign knew this was coming down the pike ten days ago and could have gotten out in front of it. Instead, first we get from Cain denials, then he says he didn’t know the woman then he didn’t know the outcome or how it was resolved. Now he goes on Greta and gives his side of the story, complete with his actions and goes into detail about the settlement. His story has done a complete 180 in less than 24 hours. That is what is going to hurt Cain. He wasn’t upfront right away and the cover up is always worse than the crime.

I don’t support the politics of personal destruction. But perhaps now Mr. Cain understands what it is like to be the clown in the barrel at the rodeo with the bulls slamming you around. He was quick to pass judgement on Perry, thinking he was in the cat birds’ seat, but now I am sure he doesn’t find lamestream media hit pieces quite as funny as he did when it was someone else being called names.

Cain indirectly tried to dump the “racist” label on Rick Perry. Well there are two things people won’t tolerate in a GOP candidate; racism and sexual improprieties. Welcome to the world of politics, Mr. Cain. Maybe you realize now it is a bloody full body contact sport and not just a bunch of rallies with people who are blind to your warts.

Tbone

Princeton and UV grads and they have always done what I have told them and usually how to do it. Personally, I written state and SEC securities registrations, Reg D PPMs for 504s, 505s & 506s, contracts of various types, IP license agreements, royalty agreements, C level employment contracts, RE leases, IC contracts, escrow instructions both specific and general provisions, EB-5 immigration filings and commercial property purchase agreements. Oh, and the odd NDA, settlement and mutual release.

However, I will leave the DUIs, divorce and dog bite complaints to you and JS. I know my limitations.

mich22

He’s clearly not drunk – actually he’s quite cogent. When you take all of the “trying to be humorous” parts of a speech and link them together, and edit out all of the meat, yeah…you’ll get what appears to be nonsense. But, it wasn’t – it was a good campaign speech, not a stump speech, but a campaign speech to activists and donors. No big deal. Nothing to see here, folks.

mich22

He seemed to remember quite well the conversations with his general counsel that dealt with procedure and what-not, but couldn’t remember much regarding the actual allegations. Are we to believe they weren’t shared with him (or that he wouldn’t be infuriated and ask?). No, because he admitted to remembering the weird anecdote about commenting about the lady’s height being the same as his wife’s. But, that was all he could remember? Doesn’t pass the smell test. I still love Herman – I think he probably just crossed the line of inappropriateness and by no means do I believe we have a Clinton on our hands. But, it’s always the issue of trust and whether you are completely truthful. Did he tell Greta everything he remembered? I don’t think so.

rkcurtin

And accurate observations, retire05.

I’m new here and I don’t really know who is for which candidate, but why did Cain come out so early against Perry?

There’s an agenda there to more than winning the nomination.

What did Perry ever do to Cain?

Doc Holliday

Road House.

Tbone

You said:

“Seems like the women involved breached the NDA by going public”

Where is the link? Where? No link, no credibility to your assertion.

retire05

basically I think Cain thought his chances were a long shot and he was angling for the VP slot with Romney. If you notice, Cain NEVER attacks Romney, never. So he went after Perry since Perry is a viable opponent to Romney.

I don’t think anyone is more surprised by Cain’s rocket rise than he is. But now he knows what it is like to be flavor of the week when it comes to the lamestream press. I am sure it is leaving a very bad taste in his mouth, but frankly, Cain had it coming. Yeah, I’ll catch hell for that by the Cainiacs, but it is what it is.

As I have said before, I do not like politics of personal destruction. Cain tried it with the rock story and now he is getting it back. Cain is not ready for prime time. And just ask this question of any of his supporters:

What is there in Herman Cain’s history that tells you how he will govern.

All you will get are crickets. Or directions to Cain’s website from his supporters.

iidvbii

what an interesting choice of insults… I am a nobody. I come here to read and comment on the things that strike my interest. Just who exactly do you think you are? Engaging me in a personal attack when by your own admition “you have never heard of me”?

Doc Holliday

more than I have. You seem to know what a sock puppet is for someone so new. It is not exactly breaking news that a bunch of newbies have descended on this site the last couple of months, and all they talk about is how great Perry is and how terrible Cain is.

Maybe it is just a coincidence, maybe you guys know something we don’t. But like they say in football, “LOOK AT THE SCOREBOARD!!!” You guys can make all the snide remarks you want, you can jump on every Cain attack like the left wing media. You know, I just checked out Daily Kos and didn’t see much of anything about Cain. But here, we have all these people with screen names that look like they were created by a random letter generator, all with the same message, Perry is great, Cain sucks.

I say again, look at the scoreboard. Perry’s campaign is on life support, in many early states he is behind even Bachmann. You guys can revel in the glory days of his first 24 hours after announcing, it has been all down hill since then.

rkcurtin

of Herman Cain which makes me wonder why the adulation. Talk is cheap. He seems like a good, friendly guy, but….

…there are many good actors out there, not all in the movies.

Someone untested (or, unrecorded in voting) at this time to be the candidate to defeat Obama is a bit much. We need a proven leader. Cain has run for other offices and didn’t win, but some think he can win it all, now?

As for Romney, CBS or whoever could do a 3 hour special on Romney soundbites debating Romney soundbites and one would wonder, who is this guy after all, too.

iidvbii

i have been designated a sock puppet for pointing out cains attacks on perry… He said he wouldn’t support his nomination, wouldn’t be his VP and piled on the “Rock” story….. Funny thing is before all of that I was a Cain supporter, just liked Perry’s experience and record better. Though now I can’t say that I see much to support in him, seems to much like an opportunist to me.

rkcurtin

because he is initially a very likeable man.

And I do think he never expected to do this well, and I do see the opportunist streak.

I do miss Sherry Lewis, good puppets there.

Xasteius

http://www.redstate.com/zsmvf6/2011/11/01/questions-that-every-cain-supporter-needs-to-answer-honestly/

Note: I’ve not slandered Cain, I’ve even defended him

Here: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/30/the-oppo-dump-on-herman-cain-begins-in-earnest/#comment-138331

Here: http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/10/30/herman-cain-12-iowa-caucuses-obama-2008-or-dean-2004/#comment-57445

Here: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/30/the-oppo-dump-on-herman-cain-begins-in-earnest/#comment-138286

txpat

If a reporter ask him he would say yea they ask me to step down.
I have a feeling this story is like an onion with many layers to be revealed.
I think Politico released news story one with others to follow.
If I was Cain folks they better be having a talk with Cain to make that is all there is no other shoes to fall.

Doc Holliday

I thought we were agreeing, at least on music. I don’t think I will be copying and pasting all those links tonight, maybe you can try with someone else. I said my piece here.

I guess you are trying to get a rise out of me with the “bring friends” thing. You will have to do better than that. I have been in this game a long time, really nothing makes me truly angry. If it makes you feel good to say it, well, at least someone gets something from it.

jackdaniels11

to gun issues. If he did, he would know that the 2nd Amendment has been incorporated against the states. (See McDonald v. Chicago, 2010.)

Romney could not survive a mistake like this. Only Cain can deny the application/incorporation of the 2nd Amendment against the states and still convince conservative voters that he is the only conservative in the race.

iidvbii

I don’t know that you should be doing that snoopy dance just yet. You must have gotten so much pleasure out of that scoreboard comment but sad news the scoreboard still reads zero for all candidates. It will until the primaries starting counting ballots. You do know how elections work right? You understand that we don’t elect our nominee based on small sample polls right?
Here’s the bad news, Americans of all stripes will walk one at a time into a booth and pick whom they think is best qualified to run the American government. Choice one, a sitting governor of one of the largest states with a decade of success managing one of the largest most complex economies on the planet. Option two, an ex pizza CEO and present radio host/motivational speaker with two failed campaigns and a background as a paid Washington lobbiest as his political experience. In the end, I believe the American people have had enough of amature hour. I suspect this time around people want someone with a proven track record managing an economy, guiding policy and delivering success. Now you know that isn’t Hermain Cain.
Once the marketing schemes and quasi political speeches are done and forgotten. We all have to choose the leader of the free world. I doubt even you believe it will end up being Mr. Cain. The man is a gaffe machine, how many times has the man spent one day walking back the day befores stupid comments. Frankly I think this present situation will become a scandal because he is changing his story by the hour. That is unfortunately but calling me or retire names isn’t going to change that at the end of the day he just isn’t going to be president.

iidvbii

My name is David Brown…. It’s impossible to get a screen name with my initials. In the old days of the internet I could use daveb, then dvb and now its iidvbii. I miss the old days lol.

onemovoter

is probably bunk. Texas Tribune has it out to take Perry down and isn’t holding back in trying to hide that fact.

I’m guessing if we looked at the internals we’d find it really skewed with younger folks and more female then male. It does say that it only polled 18% latino instead of closer to 37% of the general population.

I wouldn’t hold much to this poll out of Texas.

Doc Holliday

I go off once in a while, but in the long term, I have a fair person. That is why people that have been here a while like me (not all of them for sure, but quality counts). I can go off like I did today, but I was serious, I saw what I thought was an issue and commented on it. Everyone else can say what matters to them, my word has no extra special power.

I don’t want to be in the position of attacking newbies, the site needs newbies. I am surprised at the vitriol spewed by so called conservatives at Cain, and I don’t buy the excuse that Cain used the race card on Perry. Cain may have made some errors when asked about the hit piece on Perry, but he is new to this game. I defended Perry when he got attacked by the drive bys.

I think we all should chill a bit and focus on the real goal, defeating Obama. I am quite willing and happy to vote for Perry if he is our nominee. My only hope is that we get back to discussing issues, not piling on the people we consider our political enemies, particularly when they are in the same party.

You might be surprised to know I am Texan and an Aggie. I have no reason to be against Perry, but I like what Cain has brought to the table. Nothing would make me happier than for Perry to bring his game up a few notches and defeat Cain in a fair fight. I want the best we have for the general, because we have got to stop these statist leftists.

clintonformccain

He’s a one-man band. He doesn’t really have a campaign with “folks” and stuff. He’s got Mark Block, who is apparently knee-deep in potentially illegal funding of the “campaign” with his deep-in-debt Wisconsin non-profit.

Doc Holliday

I hope the Perrybots take you as one of their own ClintonforMccain, at some point they will regret it. But the funny this is, these people are acting like their hair is on fire because it really is. Their guy is polling in the dumps among conservatives, Perry is polling 4th or 5th in the upcoming primary states. Hell, the guy that seems to own Texas is losing to Cain in Tejas!!!!!!!!!!!!! And just like these types that love to use the name _inTX, I know a few there, and they are quite miixed on Perry. Some of them tell me they wish they had Kay Bailey, I tell them they are wrong, I have met her, they don’t want her, but they certainly are not Perrybots.

Anyway, I post here because it is a second home, at least on the net. I would be wasting my time if I did not call it like I saw it, so I point out that to me Cain is much more inspiring than Perry to date. I am still open to Perry, but the bots here are doing nothing for the man, is it even about him, really?

But the point is Perry is not even a player at this point, he is a warning story, kind of an example of what can and will go wrong if you are not clear in your objectives and sure how you will explain them.

The thing is, every so called Cain bot here could take the next six months off and it would not really matter. The Perry bots HAVE to do what they are doing, the options are sparse at this point. Sure it would be better to treat people with respect and try to convince them that Perry is our best chance, but the Cain bashing is just a more profane version of the same thing. Perry is in deep trouble, he is polling in the single digits among conservatives, what else is a a Perry bot to do? I don’t hold it against you guys, but I will if you are not in this for the long haul, and if you are not willing to join the team even if your guy does not make it.

bzip

I suspect since Cain is knew deep in trying to regain his creditability after being caught lying on this ever evolving sex scandal that the campaign fund issue may take the back burner till it comes up again at some point;

Nonprofit Aid for Cain Camp Reportedly Sparks Legal Concerns
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/31/nonprofit-aid-for-cain-camp-reportedly-sparks-legal-concerns/

State firm’s cash to Herman Cain may breach federal campaign, tax laws
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html

Campaign finance improprieties at Team Cain?
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/31/campaign-finance-improprieties-at-team-cain/

Xasteius

If I was angry, you would know it.

sowa1

will no longer talk about it. NEXT QUESTION?

jlsankot

“Iowa conservatives appear unready to jump off the Hermain Cain train—unless damning evidence emerges that proves the presidential candidate was less than truthful Monday when he denied allegations of sexual harassment.”

They only polled “20 likely Republican caucusgoers”, but all said they would stand by him.

It’s so obvious this whole thing is a set-up. Something like this happens to the front-runner every time, but then, I’m preaching to the choir.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

Doc, you got it alllllll wrong.

THIS supporter of Rick Perry has consistently supported this TRUE Conservative despite what you would portray [aloofly] as his drop in the polls.

The rationale is BOTH because of his strengths AND because of the weaknesses in the rest of the field.

And the motivation is to avoid being tempted to support a RINO.

So, attempts to “lecture” us during this phase of the campaign [two months prior to the initiation of GOP-voting] won’t dissuade us from our resoluteness.

We ARE indeed in this “for the long haul,” if for no other reason than because we look forward to the unabashed application of Constitutional principles as BHO’s damages are unwound.

We brush-off the MSN/LSM’s slings/arrows [Gardisil, Illegals, Cronies, Texan] and note with dismay the way certain-bloggers have gleefully recycle them.

We like his forthrightness, both when unveiling policy and when discussing it.

We like his personality, his ethics, his consistency.

He is a leader of Texas and, candidly, we look forward to his leadership of America during these troubled times.

GOT IT?

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…until the complete database has been divulged.

jlsankot

It refers to “ground rules”. It sounds to me as if he was restricted from answering any question unless it had to do with the economy.

Doc Holliday

but the wheat will but separated from the chaff. Did you not just yesterday attack Cain over the web video where a Cain guy puffed a smoke? Did you not go on and on about being a life long tobacco hater/anti-tobacco advocate? Did you not try to take advantage saying how Cain is sending a horrible message, and that is it much worse than the fact Obama smokes and Cain does not?

See, I find attacks like this to be desperate and intellectually dishonest. Maybe in your case you are being honest, because you hate legal tobacco so much. But the thing is, I am one of the many here that don’t think people should be taking life lessons from our government. The leader I want will diminish government’s role in our lives, I don’t want government treating us like babies.

My guess is if you had the chance, you might be a bloomberg-bot over Perry.

that is fine with me, jjust be honest about it. I have been very upfront with people here who support Perty. I am not going to attack an avigio or bzip type when they argue their points in an intellectually honest manner. I will still take on those who seem to care about nothing more than eledtng Perry even if that means using MSM talking points.

sorry for any typos, I am not seeing that well right now. I have been posting here for about 12 hours and need a break.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…taking into account the fact that I do not label my titles as precisely as I would now wish [when attempting to unearth the quote that you recalled].

Candidly, I look forward to fact-checking your assertions because you accurately recall my background; the key-question is whether you have properly categorized my critique because–frankly–I do not recall condemning the ad.

MEANWHILE, will hold-off critiquing the rest of your note [and a parallel research project that has been self-imposed regarding Heritage Action] until I’ve checked-out the accuracy of your portrayal.

BTW, I have purposefully chopped-up my comments [believe it or not] to allow for focused-critique…so let’s see what emerges.

While I’m looking, if you can find the offending-quote, please help-out the readership, near and far!

davesinsanantonio

He is a flip-flopper of convenience. He is not a conservative at all! He is, in fact, a politician who is willing to do whatever it takes to get elected. The problem is that if he is elected we have no idea how he will govern, because he has no core political principles upon which he is willing to stand. He is merely a windsock, trying to gauge the direction to swing before the next gust actually arrives.

jiminga

it was soon after laws were passed dealing with sexual harassment. The laws generated a lot of false complaints from employees who were really seeking money. I remember one complaint where a retail sales clerk (male) accused his manager (female) of harassment and the charge turned out to be based on a casual comment made in jest by the manager during a bowling night away from the store. The employee only wanted money to move from Maine to Florida. The company paid nothing, but I had to terminate the manager to demonstrate the company’s dedication to 100% compliance.

Cain was likely a victim of a false claim but the MSM will never mention the “settle and I’ll go away” mentality that was rampant at the time.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…and prospects are limited because only “recent posts” appear under my name.

Therefore, will express surprise that I have been pegged in this fashion because, customarily, I “work against type” when faced with tobacco-related issues; I have consistently differentiated my brand of activism from that of others who are more fervid in their condemnations [e.g., wishing to ban parental smoking in cars].

Candidly, I don’t think I cared about the ad, and I probably raised my advocacy [since the 1970's, when I testified against tobacco ads in bus-stop shelters in Manhattan before its "Board of Estimate"...akin to a Zoning Board] more as a descriptive factor related to another issue than to the Cain-ad.

Will keep Morning Joe on mute until I find it but, if you can provide the killer-quote, it will save us all a lot of time.

Meanwhile, I note that your tag-line [Molon Labe"] refers to a level of principled defiance that I share [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe], albeit recognizing the necessity to inject a certain reality-testing in the process….

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…I really don’t think I typed what you wrote that I typed.

I have performed brief due-diligence by searching key-words in this and other Cain-related blogging-pages, and have come-up dry. I will deal with more retroactive postings after I first perform a “Babe Ruth” point-to-the-bleachers [prior to hitting a home run]. Here, and I apologize for self-referential foci to those who wish these postings to not be “hijacked” into tangential issues, I must defend my honor/consistency.

I simply do not recognize this characterization: “Did you not just yesterday attack Cain over the web video where a Cain guy puffed a smoke? Did you not go on and on about being a life-long tobacco hater/anti-tobacco advocate? Did you not try to take advantage saying how Cain is sending a horrible message, and that is it much worse than the fact Obama smokes and Cain does not?”

Therefore, tentatively, I answer “NO” to each of these rhetorical-queries.

avagreen

IF she’s said the same thing about Romney’s wife, which I doubt in the first place.

I took umbrage at the remark as a putdown.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

I believe I have found the offending-quote, after having searched-backwards all potential posting-sites during the past week.

I have ID’ed the relevant reference, I believe….

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/27/the-horserace-for-october-27-2011/

In reply to:

Have you seen the other Cain “smoking” ad?
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, October 27th at 6:15PM EDT (link)
Have you seen the other Cain ?smoking? ad?

I wrote:

comparable to colbert
rsklaroff Friday, October 28th at 12:59AM EDT (link)
?fun? ? but that?s all!

i?m an anti-tobacco activist since the 1970?s?and i found this to be hysterical.

*

Thus, as anticipated, your retention-skills are askew. I actually typed precisely the unexpected [referenced] reaction to the ad [and the parody] that was anticipated in prior-posts.

Specifically, I correctly reacted negatively to your triad-accusation.

THEREFORE, Doc_Holiday, you may have unmasked yourself as a Troll.

Prove me wrong.

avagreen

I won’t be among the newest now.

I also was a Cain supporter (after supporting Palin until she was obviously destroyed by the media….who gets their trash gone through???)

But, I began having some doubts about him after the first few months as more info came out about his flipflops, being an “insider” not an “outsider” as she claimed, etc. And, then his complete lack of facts on anything until the 999 plan came out, which he’s also changed several times. He just lacks substance, IMHO. And, now this…………
again changing his story.

My cringe factor has gotten louder and larger the more I learn of this man. And, that slyfox smile at the end of the smoking ad shows me who he thinks he is.

Long story, but I join you in your former support of this guy.

Perry is my guy now, who is much more forthright, and he’s my governor which gives me much insight. (Cain’s never been my lobbyist.);)

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

Doc_Holliday, you should take a longer blogging-vacation until/unless you have rescinded this ad-hominem attack.

This actually is inapposite to my customary posture, because I do NOT oppose “legal tobacco” [stories abound as to the circumstances--remote and recent--when I have advised people to smoke].

I am HARDLY a stalking-horse for Bloomberg; in-fact, a year ago, when he appeared in Philly to endorse Sestak, I created a stink @ the Press Conference [covered by the Philly Daily News] when I confronted him for supporting the Ground-Zero Mosque. Where that idea arose in your devious-mind, heaven only knows!

And WHERE have I EVER used MSM/LSM “talking-points”?

As is now de-rigueur when portraying the “two Mitts,” I must inquire whether you have been reading postings by my evil-twin!

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…and, Doc_Holliday, please react candidly to the thrust of my comments [after you have provided your mea-culpa] or recognize the deep commitment that it reflects.

circlegranch

and this suggests he either couldn’t come up with acceptable answers or thought if he ignored it, the story would go away. As president, his manner in which he communicates with people is important. The pattern I observe in him is that any time someone questions anything about him, he gets defensive and short tempered that he has to bother with a better explanation.

One one hand, Mr. Cain has a big problem and on the other, he’s just been handed a gift and what comes out henceforth is going to determine his future. He’s clearly off the hook in terms of being held accountable for inappropriate behavior. Accusations were made, could not be substantiated so no guilt was implied. Money was paid to make it go away because it was cheaper than a lawsuit and lawyers. That part of it is clear. The problem for him (self created) is the way he’s mishandled his comments. Just as he’s done with policy points, he says something, then walks it back when it doesn’t really add up. Abortion, foreign policy, Gitmo, etc. He seems to lack clarity PRIOR to making statements and then only finds it when questioned. He comes back with more indepth info and more details but only after he’s been asked to provide same and then there’s the defensiveness and almost a condescending attitude that its the recipient of his messages that is mixed up and unable to ‘get it’. Clearly, this investigation found him free of guilt but why then not come out as soon as he knew this story was brewing and get in front of it? Why not have your facts memorized and ready to roll out the same story, on the same day, on every single news interview? He changed things slightly several times yesterday. Is he such a novice that he doesn’t realize that is fodder for the mill?

The great news in all this for Cain is the strong show of support from Limbaugh, Hannity, and every major conservative with a big voice. They’ve all lined up behind him and as a result, he’ll raise millions for his campaign and because its felt he’s being unfairly attacked, his standing just skyrocketed. If no further info comes to light, he’s a hero for surviving the onslaught of the biased MSM.

Gaffe after gaffe and silly campaign ad after another all come together to create for Mr. Cain an image of Americana that some are really drawn to. His changes in positions at times rival Romney’s well-established flip flop persona and yet, he’s excused time and again. Objectivity where Cain is concerned is relatively non-existent. In the case of yesterday’s story, without any hesitation to wait and see if this bombshell would end up with legs, the big talkers were in full defense mode. They will not likely come out today in a more reserved, wait and see tone. Their guy has been attacked, unfairly they claim, and the wagons are circled. Sex scandals in politics, no matter how reported, are still viable components of a candidate’s record that the public is entitled to know. We can decide for ourselves if we think the details are serious or insignficant.

As a Perry supporter, this doesn’t sit well for very obvious reasons. Not one ‘big voice’ spoke up on Perry’s behalf when he was unfairly accused of racism. Not one big voice has stood up in his defense against the accusations that he appears drunk in his NH speech. Not one of them attacked Michelle Malkin or Michelle Bachmann for their hateful, vitriolic attacks over Gardasil. If asked, they’d likely say, “That’s his policy position; he’ll have to be held accountable for it.” Yet, when Cain is challenged on a policy issue, he’s being unfairly attacked. When he isn’t clear or decides to change a position, he’s got plenty of cover while he tries to redefine himself.

Mr. Cain lost me when he came out so quickly about the hunting lodge rock issue. He didn’t bother to do his homework and after he sent a shot over Perry’s bow, he was never required to offer a public apology. When he was so blatantly insulting by saying he’d never serve as Perry’s VP even in the face of such dire circumstances in this country, he showed a side of himself that comes across as arrogant. With no political experience to his credit, it was amazing that he took a position of someone with alot of background knowledge of the job. Any American with the country’s best interest at heart, would be humbled and honored to accept the invitation.

Mr. Cain is well known for forthright comments. He’s loved and admired for his inability to mince words. That’s well and good but he’ll have to live by that now in this controversy. He apparently didn’t mince words with some coworkers many years ago and now those words are coming home to roost. He either has to try, once again, to walk them back so they are more palatible or take responsibility for his words and actions. Either way, he appears to have a problem with being critcized.

If he’s going to take the position that every question or concern that is raised is a personal attack, his temperment is such that he is not fit to serve as president.

avagreen

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/01/2740208/poll-perry-cain-in-virtual-tie.html

This isn’t a “non-story”………..despite what you are trying to make it. The guy can’t make up his mind which side to take on this thing……..that’s the story.

avagreen

……..I don’t care how many gospel songs he breaks out in during a press conference.

avagreen

it was left up to his supporters on forums such as this to correct these lies and smears, for which we then get called “Perrybots”.

I still see these false accusations floating around on the net, even here.

Cain has received more than enough support for his poorly-run campaign and winks/nods at his walkbacks.

(He’s being used, IMHO, to kill off Perry with the help of the RINO establishment, and he’s too busy reading his own press clippings to see what’s going on.)

The fact that he’s black has worn off a long time ago with me. He’s a full grown man who needs to handle himself in public.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

to be fair, I will state my reaction to the smoking-ad

it represents an unnecessary diversion, notwithstanding the number of hits it has received on youtube

he should extol 999 [or 909] as a priority…or admit it was a misstep.

lightfootletters

Cain Confronts Claim From ?90s of Sexual Harassment – “The incidents, it said, included ?conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature.? – Jim Rutenberg and Michael D. Shear, NYT. “The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomforta?ble.” Huffington Post. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not. Short of some form of physical violence this seems frivolous in nature in the grand scheme of things. In my years of business experience and based on court proceedings both the EEOC and the ADA have become legal forms of ‘shakedowns’ and ‘blackmail.’ And, these news stories have the same stink written all over them !?
Lightfoot Letters

bzip

The bottom line for me and Cain’s scandal here is: It only confirms an ongoing problem with Cain to handle himself. Cain has changed his story several times through the course of the last couple days, call them gaffes, call them lies but Cain’s story has changed. If you doubt that then start looking at the media headlines. It confirms Cain has problems in communicating and handling such issues..

In the end it boils down to a creditability issue – to some Cain is losing or has lost his creditability.

davesinsanantonio

For quite some time the pattern for many polls, including some with good reputations, to consistently show one set of numbers until a week or two before the actual election, and then show a sharp turn the other way. The election is most often how the last poll or two reports it will be. Why the disparity? I believe that for most of the time running up to the election they are trying to sway opinion. Then for just the last week or two they are trying to get on the record for being “accurate”.
Besides, I think that many voters have come to so hate polling that they intentionally mislead pollsters.

davesinsanantonio

I admire seeing surgery so skillfully performed.

Otherwise known is some circles as “slice and dice”.

davesinsanantonio

circular firing squad with himself as the target, shooter, and the guy yelling “fire!”.

But, maybe that’s just me.

paulplantowin

Remember – it’s not the charge that matters – it’s how you handle it that counts.
Your memory of an earlier post seems as bad as Cain’s on something 10 years ago.
It is instructive of just how human memories work.
Just sayin’

circlegranch

and just as in Watergate, it wasn’t really the crime that was so bad, it was the coverup. Cain told us up front when he decided to run that he was a cancer survivor. He knew that part of his background would give many voters pause. They would wonder about his physical health and ability to serve. He also knew he’d been the victim of the accusations now in the news. Whether friviolous, an unfair attack, an afront to a conservative black man, however you choose to observe this story, it still exists. Sex scandals are always front page news for politicians. He was told 10 days ago this was coming. He seems undisciplined and perhaps arrogant to not address this as a potential downfall just as he’d done with his cancer. And yet, maybe he didn’t jump out 10 days ago and talk to his supporters about this because he knew the Limbaugh’s would carry the water for him and they’d be far more effective.Maybe this was his strategy all along: sit back and take on the appearance of a poor victim of the MSM and let my biggest backers come to my defense. It takes the burden off him to explain himself. Maybe he’s been very crafty here, knowing he couldn’t adequately make a case for himself, so let the story break and then watch the big talkers do the work for him.

He didn’t want anybody having reservations about his bout with cancer; why didn’t he also want to get this unsavory little piece of info out of the way? Fair or not, its there. No matter who uncovered the story is beside the point. The story exists and nobody made it up or created a smear. He was accused, found innocent and a payoff was made. It was silly of him to think it would never surface and now that it has, he’s again taken on the aura of ‘how dare you challenge me on this’.

clintonformccain

What has cooked Cain’s goose is denying that any of this happened, and then admitting that it happened but that he knew anything about these women, or their charges, or cash settlements , and then admitting that he knew the women, was familiar with the charges, and knew of a cash settlement — all chaning stories he offered within 24 hours. The obvious conclusion is that at least some of his stories are lies. There’s no other conclusion that can be drawn, really.

retire05

I remember a case of a young woman who went to work for a cable tv company as a technical supervisor. She was well qualified, and could climb a telephone poll better than any man I had ever seen. But she was the only female in what was called the engineering department (actually the department dealt with all aspects of cable service). She had owned her own construction company but decided to take an “in-house” job so she would not have to travel any longer and would be in one spot since she had kids.

She was never accepted in what was then an all male field. And being single, needless to say, a number of the other supervisors would hit on her. As time went on, and she continued to rebuff them, she was fired after being accused of slapping another supervisor. (She didn’t, but that is beside the point).

She sought legal action against the company via the EEOC for not putting a stop to the harrassment after she had made complaint after complaint, not only verbally, but in writing and for wrongful dismissal. Her case drug on for two years and when it was finally arbitrated, she lost the case because all the other supervisors who had worked with her, and harrassed her, testified she was lying. It was David against an army of Goliaths. This was inspite of the fact that one of the other supervisors admitted that he had told her when she was fired not to worry, that if she didn’t find another job, she could just shack up with her boyfriend.

Sexual harrassment cases in the late ’90′s were hard to prove. The system had been absued by some just looking for a paycheck, and the pendulum had swung the other way. Most sexual harrassment cases were dismissed because it was a he said/she said situation and tough to prove.

To think that most women would go through the embarrassment of filing a grievance over sexual harrassment just to get a pay check and wind up out of a job is plain silly. For the young woman I knew, it was painful, embarrassing and left a spot on her record for being fired. This particular woman got out of the cable business all together and persued another field in the medical industry.

I am not going to say that no woman ever lobbed false charges, but in the late ’90′s, the prospects of losing that kind of case were good. And legal resolutions could take years, not months, and most just wanted to move on with their lives.

I would be more inclinded to believe Cain had there been only one incident. But there were at least two, and that creates a pattern. I remember going to Arkansas during the fall months when Clinton was president. I remember how the people of Arkansas would tell me what a skirt chaser he was. Of course, that was all before anything was really reported about Clinton and his shoddy ways.

It is best that when you see smoke, you check for fire. And there is smoke in the Cain case. Not just one case, but we know of at least two. And now the onus is on Cain to prove he was as innocent as he claims. What bothered me the most about his interview with Greta was he claimed the woman who issued the complaint against him was a bad employee. Her ability to do her job, and how she did it, was not part of the equasion, and that statement was totally unneccessary. Cain was casting aspersions on the woman’s ability to do her job to bolster his reasoning for her being paid a “severence” settlement. The line of defence then became “She made false claims against me. She was a bad employee anyway so we paid her off and she left the organization.” That did not sit well with me.

annplato

You’ve been one and you can’t deny it. You are rejoicing over Cain’s problems with unfounded and non-sequitur allegations, I can clearly see it.

Cain’s answer was NOT petulant or childish but exasperation over something that Politico underhandedly reported to derail Cain’s success. I would not put it past Romney or even Paul the Dull to have dug up this non-story to just slow down Cain. It won’t work!

izoneguy

Change my stories
Change my positions
Change my 999 plan

bzip

To me the most concerning aspect of this is Cain’s creditability is now in question. Call it whatever you want, gaffes, lies, walking back statements but it all centers around Cain’s creditability. Cain’s story changed several times during the course of the day and who know how much more it will change. New articles from today seem to suggest the same concerns;

Cain reveals new details about harassment cases, admits settlement
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/01/cain-campaign-responds-to-alleged-inappropriate-behavior/

The Curious Case Of Herman Cain (The Note)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/the-curious-case-of-herman-cain-the-note/

Herman Cain’s misconduct allegations bring out conflicting accounts
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67293.html

Scope

against Politico for doing a horrendous hit piece on the teflon man Cain. It doesn’t matter that Cain and his staff members started out saying the charges were false, then Cain admits that yes there were charges brought, but I don’t know if there was any settlement, but if there was I hope it wasn’t much, to a few hours later admitting that yes there were payoffs. But hey folks this is nothing but a “witchhunt” against him. And yes, you are correct, the Limbaugh’s of the radio world are giving him cover. Limbaugh is outraged that the media would do this hit job on a conservative candidate. Limbaugh on how Cain has handled the story-crickets. Limbaugh knew by the time he went on air yesterday that Cain had admitted there were charges earlier in the morning. Let’s see what he will say about Cain now admitting that there in fact were settlements, just hours after saying he knew nothing about them. Someone will have to let me know, Limbaugh is now off my radio, and I actually find watching leftist TV less stressful, as I know what they are going to say, and expect it. Beck and his side-kick this morning did the same thing. They took Cain’s story about the height of the woman as gospel, end of story. Nothing to see here just move along. This coming from Beck who swears his allegience to truth, yet ignores Cain’s changing stories.

Cain was on leftist TV this morning, and now says that yes he knew about the one case of sexual harassment, but is not aware of any other charges against him. He says this is nothing but a smear campaign against him.

Now today, Politico is out with yet another hit piece on Perry, bringing up the rock story yet again. They quote that wonderful and delightful character Sarah Silverman, who is taking her comedy show on the road, in Autin, and will be making the case that the MSM glossed over the rock story, and Perry never suffered the consequences of his obvious racism. Anyone coming out in Perry’s defense. Not hardly, and not likely.

So Cain is getting his vetting from the leftists, and everyone is shouting from the rooftops about how unfair the media is being to him. Perry’s been in the media’s crosshairs for months, he’s been pillaried, disparaged, lied about, accused and abused, but, does anyone care about that, NO. But everyone comes out to forgive Cain despite his flip flops, outright denials and then later truth telling. He is the Teflon Man.

Scope

how much the Cain settlement was for. Was it 999.

acat

First, a Paul-bot or Paulistine is a follower of Ron “Luap Nor” Paul. I sincerely doubt streiff fits this description.

Second, Cain’s response did seem odd. In hindsight, it makes more sense, Cain was confronted with a charge fifteen years buried and dead, and is immediately in a quandry – what can he *legally* say about a matter that’s covered by an NDA without getting himself into more trouble?

Mew

bzip

I thought we had that change. Hows that all working out for ya?

Between Cain’s change, inexperience, inspiring speeches and his arrogant manner I am wondering what kind of hope we can expect.

izoneguy

Bill Clinton & Obama rolled into one.

Scope

As most know, there were many more than just Jennifer Flowers, in Clinton’s Arkansas past. From what I’ve read, Hillary ran around paying off all of Bill’s gals so they wouldn’t come out and tell their stories, and ruin his political chances. Even after the Lewinski scandals, when he was proven to have lied, no big deal.

There is an article at AT this morning talking about the fact that what get’s presidents elected, and has for many many years is the “likability” factor. Clinton couldn’t do wrong, because he was so likable. It is becoming more and more obvious that Cain is following the same pattern with the voters. If you qualify for the Mr. Congeniality award, that’s all you need on your resume for the presidency.

Despite the fact that so many on the right, and in particular the talk radio hosts, brought up warning sign after warning sign with Obama, from Rev. Wright, to Bill Ayres, to ACORN community organizing, nothing stuck to him in any negative way with his cult of followers, nothing. It was as though the more that came out, the more people just ignored everything. Now some of those very same people who screamed warnings about Obama, are in fact guilty of doing the same thing with Cain. Only this time it is many people who are trying to warn the radio hosts to hold to the same standards for our GOP candidate, but no dice. Limbaugh and Hannity have been off the rails with their duplicity. We are screwed.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

ANY time Doc_Holliday re-emerges, he will be redirected to this little-exchange….

BA Cyclone

One might say Cain is stumbling slightly by evolving his answer over the day yesterday.

But the example you cite, I have absolutely no issue with. Because I see Cain as taking issue with the mere nature and relevance of the question. “Have you ever been accused….”? In the context of this and the answers he has given, this is not a valid test for a President’s candidacy.

And to your later point, it doesn’t even come close to a Clintonian moment. This isn’t even on the same continent.

My wife said this morning something I agree with. Herman Cain is not “just another politician” and this episode — so far — does not change that. So far he has been forthright and explained everything to the best of his ability with grace, dignity, and without deprecation to the other parties.

Until such time as he says something to the effect of “I never had sex with that woman” and then later has to qualify what “sex” means, he remains nowhere near the smarmy politician stereotype that fits soemone like Bill Clinton, or others.

Rather, he has handled this mostly well, and people that think “sexual harassment claims” alone are some magical test of purity are truly the ones with their head in the clouds.

As long as the claims are baseless and without merit — this all amounts to a political smear. So far, the smear is backfiring.

NEW DONORS are getting ticked off at the coverage and donating to Herman Cain’s campaign.