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The Horserace for November 3, 2011

I had several talks with a number of highly regarded political analysts, pollsters, and others this past week. There was a common thread in all the conversations that surprised me. They said this was not a race between Romney vs. Perry or Romney vs. Cain. They said this is a race between Rick Perry and Herman Cain, with Newt Gingrich as a wild card.

Now, all this was before the Cain story really got going. That certainly changes things a bit. I think some more settling is going to happen in Mitt Romney’s favor and he may finally break through the 25% ceiling in national polls.

Herman Cain’s attack on Rick Perry is going to turn off people toward Perry. Cain’s campaign seems to have decided that if Cain goes down, he’s going to take out everybody not named Romney as well.

This is an ugly, sordid mess. I’ll get into the implications and who could benefit in today’s horserace.

Michele Bachmann

Ed Rollins, Bachmann’s former campaign manager, says the congresswoman is out of money and out of ideas. I agree. She has not changed her message or rebranded herself. Her time is up.

Herman Cain

Herman Cain will not be the nominee now. His campaign has so bungled this disaster I find it hard to see him recovering. If he is somehow able to, he’ll be a much stronger nominee.

But given his campaign’s ridiculous attack on Rick Perry and Mark Block saying definitely the campaign would not support letting the women speak, the campaign has done nothing but let this wound fester. The campaign is going to get gangrene from it.

And the women will eventually speak one way or another. When that happens we’ll have moved from blame to merit. Cain, already behind with women, is doing himself no favors.

Newt Gingrich

Newt was already going after Herman’s 999 plan pretty aggressively. They’ll do their Lincoln-Douglas debate in Texas. Everyone will take a second look at Newt. In fact, in my mind Newt Gingrich stands the best chance of benefiting from Herman’s implosion.

There’s a bit of irony here in that the man on his third wife could benefit from the guy who taken out by a sexual harassment scandal, but hey, this is America!

The big question though is if Newt has the capital to survive. Money will be a problem.

Jon Huntsman

Who?

Ron Paul

Ron Paul will not be the nominee.

Rick Perry

Herman Cain purposefully decided to engage in a murder-suicide with the Perry campaign. I have no doubt Cain really believes Curt Anderson is to blame, but that doesn’t mean Anderson really is to blame.

Cain burned up a lot of good will in blaming Perry, but it still hurts Perry. There will now be Cain supporters who, when Cain’s campaign collapses, will not go to Perry. They’ll go Gingrich or Romney.

Is it fatal to Perry? He has too much money, as do the Super PAC’s helping him, for it to be fatal. But — and this is a big but — Perry only has a limited window to reassure voters of both his drive and, more importantly, his competence. He’ll need to pull off some good debate performances.

At this point, we’ve gone from Perry just not having to lose a debate to Perry really needing a solid debate win, even if graded on a curve.

As to the opening statement that this is a Cain v. Perry race, consider that only Cain and Perry right now have the money to compete with Romney. Newt may. He is a wild card right now. But cash on hand goes to Cain and Perry. With Cain going after Perry with this scandal chasing Cain, it hurts them both. If the Perry camp can get their collective mind around what’s happening quickly, they can right the ship and gain some momentum headed into tho holidays. But, they’re going to have to start spending some big money, which they are already doing.

Mitt Romney

Contrast Herman Cain’s handling of this business with Mitt Romney’s. Silence. No reason to do anything when Herman Cain is busy killing himself and taking out Rick Perry with him.

75% of the Republican Primary wants someone other than Romney and at this rate Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. That makes him a weaker general election candidate going into it and combined with all his flip-flops kind of defeats the idea that this is the Republicans’ race to lose.

Cain cannot now be the nominee. But the genius of Cain staying in the race bleeding from a sexual harassment scandal is that, given the Cain camp’s actions, it keeps consolidation from happening behind a strong anti-Romney candidate.

The odds of Romney being the nominee grow daily. If, however, this Cain business resolves itself quickly, Romney might see the race consolidate against him.

Rick Santorum

Santorum will not be the nominee.

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  • redmymind

    I can see how this is not particularly “favorable” coverage for Perry at this time, but the truth will come out and when it does, people will see this desperate attempt for what it really is.

  • kaheo

    I think Cain lost a lot of credibility and any blame he tries to heap on Perry will mostly backfire on him. Am sure a few Cain supporters will side with Cain and not swing to Perry but I doubt significant to hurt Perry.

    I think the race is still between Romney and “Anyone but Romney” with Rick Perry being the strongest person to come out leading in this group. Yes he is at 10% but this will change by end of November. Cain will definitely take a huge hit in the polling, and at least half of his support will settle on Perry.

    Newt has too much baggage. I don’t see him getting the nod, but he could divide the anti-Romney vote and thus help Romney.

  • supergirl2911

    Am I first?
    Perry will recover and be the nominee it Romney. Romney will lose the general election or win and ruin the conservative message for 5-10 years. As a Perry fan or any strong conservative this is disappointing. I never thought this was the Republicans race to lose, but I hoped we would have a strong leader to rally behind.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    he is polling so low now that I have a hard time believing people go back to him.

  • tailfins1959

    The risk of Obama’s re-election and long term high unemployment grows by the day. This is like smoke in the eyes.

  • clintonformccain

    Cain hangs around doing as much damage as he can and then takes his remaining Ron Paul-like supporters with him in a third party run siphoning off Republican votes.

    Romney is the nominee.

    Perry recovers to make a little run at Romney, fall short, but is first in line for the nomination when Obama’s Presidency is up in 2016.

  • beach91

    might hurt a little initially but in the end it could end up helping him. Cain has ruined his credibility by blaming Perry with no evidence to support such an accusation. This is truly working right into the hand of Romney which Cain has said he would support..even over Perry which really boggles the mind.

    On the upside for Perry, the only line of attack against him so far is his debate performance. GEEESH, it is as though we conservatives have been watching a little too much American Idol. Perry’s energy plan, spending plan, flat tax plan, curb the regulations plan will generate excitement with the base. And to all you naysayers who say he cannot articulate or speak or sounds dumb or (insert your own left wing media bite here) please stop ripping to shreds a strong fiscal conservative person who actually has a conservative record. Let’s move on!

  • nativetexan41

    Perry will overcome this and will come up in the polls. It will be Perry and Romney. I don’t want Romney, can’t trust him. I am voting for Perry.

  • snowshooze

    I can’t see how it should hurt the Perry camp, but Cain followers may have a very different view. I’m not so sure though…there is nothing in this mess that clearly points at Perry, and Cain is shooting in all directions whilst avoiding the core issue.
    It stinks. How one could dismiss the possibility of harassment just based on the Cain reaction alone.. that is a stretch.
    Cain supporters will quickly jump off this ship…
    Where will they split? Well,I would bet that Romney s dirty on this. Unfortunately, I may be in the minority on that opinion.
    I believe that at this point, Romney will reap the rewards unless more comes out on this mess.

  • jackdaniels11

    In 2008, the main event was Romney v. Giuliani with McCain and Huckabee as wildcards. As the St. Louis Cardinals proved again this year, sometimes the wild cards have their day.

    This year, the main event is the Yankee Gipper v. “Anyone but the Yankee Gipper”. Cain is doing a great job of keeping Perry out of the top tier and if it is true that Perry’s fingerprints are on the Cain-gate allegations, then Perry is doing a great job of pulling down Cain (although no polls show any downward movement on Cain yet).

    Keep up the great work, Cain and Perry! I want Obama to retire early and you two are doing the Lord’s work by pulling each other down like two crabs trying to escape a fishing bucket.

  • mach5

    The nomination is now yours to lose Governer Perry. So please, be bold. Social Security is a ponzy scheme, and it definately is NOT a contract. Your flat tax plan isn’t bold either. Be Bold Governor, it is now yours to lose.

  • mach5

    The nomination is now yours to lose Governer Perry. So please, be bold. Social Security is a ponzy scheme, and it definately is NOT a contract. Your flat tax plan isn’t bold either. Be Bold Governor, it is now yours to lose.

  • younggop

    If Huntsman were our nominee, he would be an absolute shoe in. What we need right now is a proven fiscal conservative in office. You’re willing to let civil unions and science beliefs get in the way of that? Sigh…

  • swamphermit

    Nikki Haley comes to mind here. Also, poor Perry…first his wife cries for him, and now this.

    Cain comes out fine in this mainly Republican attempt to “Nikki Haley” him…

  • gawken

    As you said, Mitt has yet to break his 25% ceiling in the national polls. Given that he’s all but a favorite son in NH, doesn’t he need an outright WIN to show that he’s viable. I mean, claiming victory, a mandate to go forward, with a 40% or so plurality in NH ain’t much for Mitt to write home about.

  • gawken

    As you said, Mitt has yet to break his 25% ceiling in the national polls. Given that he’s all but a favorite son in NH, doesn’t he need an outright WIN to show that he’s viable. I mean, claiming victory, a mandate to go forward, with a 40% or so plurality in NH ain’t much for Mitt to write home about.

  • veritaseequitas

    ’nuff said

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Like an old Russian satellite, he is in a slow downward trajectory head for a big burnout in the atmosphere.

    Cain has been the Howard Dean of the GOP. Skyrocket to the top only to fall back down like a boat anchor.

    I still believe this will be a race between Perry and Romney if only for the fact that nobody else has the money to go the distance.

    Perry has slipped up, but I think he would be the best guy to go against One-bama.

    Perry/Rubio 2012 Viva!! Everybody Rumba!!

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Just keep the hell away from the White House.

  • circlegranch

    The Cain Train rolls another day.

  • Tbone

    nt

  • notpropagandized

    Not sure anyone could be more enthusiastic about Cain than I WAS for nearly a year. But now that Cain is very likely seen as Romney’s stalking horse, it’s probable that the fix has been in for a long time. I feel betrayed in the most profound sense. HermanCain represented real, positive traditional American reform for me. How can he not be viewed now as anything but a shill for MittRomney.

    All that is left for a truly independent conservative is Perry. I hope he can repair the dishonest damage that Romney and Bachmann wrought on his record and reputation. This is a very dirty business and anyone who looks at ANY of these candidates as “clean” should recalibrate their relativistic defintion that has been corrupted by Obama.

  • veritaseequitas

    Herman’s campaign manager against the Perry campaign is going to make Perry look bad. If anything, it makes Herman look bad. It also makes Herman’s campaign manager look like a total ass. Maybe all those cigs he has been huffing on have cut off the oxygen to his brain.
    Also, how is Herman not winning the nomination going to automatically give Romney his supporters? Romeny is a flip flopping liar, are more supporters supposed to make him more palatable to the voters? I don’t think so. Romney is Little Barry lite.
    This is Rick Perry’s chance to step up and show what he shows he is made of like he does in the one on one interviews he is so good at.

  • red_oakster

    He still seems to be the frontrunner in Iowa. Could Cain win early contests and then implode? That’s also a possibility and one that also eliminates Romney in the bargain. People underestimate the possibility that the convention will decide this.

  • tyman

    what is really going on. Cain is engaged in a scorched earth policy now to damage Perry. Cain is more than damaged goods…if he’s really a conservative, he’ll get out and prevent further damage. I think that will prove whether he’s a true conservative or not.

    I really, really hope that Cain’s attack on Perry backfires: Perry’s the only one with the funds and organization to go after Romney.

    It has nothing to do with the harassment at all, not that it ever did.

    If it turns out that a Romney supporter or two at the NRA did this, I think it will hurt Romney as well.

    Perry’s got his second chance now, and I hope that he and Newt are able to gang up on Romney.

    What does all this do to the Cain-Gingrich debate for Saturday night?

  • clintonformccain

    Eric described it well — a murder/suicide deal by the Cain camp. At the end of the day, that leaves Romney as the only man standing and the GOP prospects in tatters. What we really needed to see was Romney prevail or not in a serious primary battle against serious candidates focused on serious issues. What we have ended up with looks remarkably like something involving a bunch of monkeys and a football.

  • eabjr

    Sadly, too many ?redstaters? are proving the point: ?Herman, if you were just as good as Bill Clinton on handling the media right, no matter if the story is true or not, we would feel much better about you being a president. We will stick with our professional liars, thank you?! You are out of your league; Washington is not for you…a normal guy, who doesn’t sound polished, doesn’t say things quite right sometime, but can solve problems and has a history of it…beat it! We want staus quo, and then we can pretend things have changed! Yeah, Man…power to the…uh…er…real politician !

  • red_oakster

    Real facts may bring down Cain, but innuendo won’t. I say this as a Perry supporter. The politics of scandal has evolved and many conservative voters in Iowa couldn’t care less about the MSM has to say. Cain has the potential to benefit from this.

  • clintonformccain

    How do you guys see the Cain end-game playing out from this point forward? I’m having a very hard time imagining anything graceful….

  • sunshinek67

    How come he didn’t go after Romney then, they have mutual ties too. Also, thought it great that Curt Anderson going on the air today to refute this alleged conversation between himself and Cain inre opp-research years ago. The pollster guy, Wilson, didn’t make a strong enough case, but yet he did suggest that “everyone” saw these “behaviors” going on, so if true, then anyone and “everyone” could be the culprit that went to Politico. Why didn’t Cain go after Romney? Looks like a set up to me. Perry is an easy target, establishment doesn’t like him, the media & Fox News Romney Network does not like him. Makes perfect sense to say Perry. Maybe Rahm Emmanuel tipped off the media, maybe he tipped off Romney camp and the media writes the rest of the narrative.

    Who cares who tipped of who, bottom line, the buck stops with Cain, he exhibits predatory behaviors and is unfit to run as a Republican with conservative values. He sat on the story for 10 days. TEN DAYS. He should have figured out how to get in front of the story instead of letting it trickle out with differing recounts of what happened. Demanding for an apology from Rick Perry is absolutely laughable if the charges weren’t so serious.

  • tailfins1959

    I would like to give Huntsman a SHOE in the butt next time he appears on the debate stage. At the moment, none of the candidates are a SHOO-IN!

  • tngal

    but remember Nikki was a female. As such, she benefitted from the shields thrown up by the hard right to ward off the slings and arrows. Same goes with Rubio. Cain is a no nonsense guy man. Nothing sweet or darling about him. He calls em as he sees him. No need to pretect him because they don’t like him and they’re afraid of him. They’re too busy using their shields to prop up Perry.

    If cain makes a gaffe, its full on photon torpedo mode.
    If Perry slips in a pile of birfer mess or is portrayed poorly in a badly spliced drunk/vid well then its…

    SHIELDS UP !! Shields holding captain.

  • onemovoter

    Rush is talking about the Cain issue through what others are saying. And that what they are saying isn’t good.

    Rush is using group think to debate the whole issue and it will get those listening to him to question what all is going on. It’s the beginning of the end of support for Cain. It’s the same thing that has taken down other campaigns that I’ve seen. It’s not pretty by the time it’s over either.

    One thing I do look for, is that the source to Politico be revealed, and it’s not anyone in the Perry camp, then Perry is cleared and he gets sympathy while Cain gets the scorn. If that happens, look for Perry to consolidate the voters. There are more and more calling for Politico to reveal it’s source. We’ll see.

  • lucasblack

    I have read that Newt has pulled in a lot of money over the last couple of days. I think people are sensing that the Newt Boom is about to take off and want to get on board. Perry’s negatives are so high and what Cain (rather unfairly) is doing will only drive them higher. This Cain Wreck is going to suck up all the air and get in the way of Perry’s relaunch. Newt was much better positioned to capitalize and Cain apparently quite likes Newt as well.
    Even though I’m a Newtbot, I think Romney is more electable in the general, but I’m prepared to risk it because I like Newt better, I still think he can win and I would LOVE to see the liberals’ heads explode if The One is replaced by Newt!

  • jonerik

    There are mostly likely many more old shoes to drop on these candidates before we’re done. By the time we get to actual votes the complexion may have changed to a degree we can hardly recognize our current thoughts. These sex scandal things always seem to take a similar pattern. If there is one event in a candidates past that is slightly suspect and it is localized and explained immediately by the campaign then it tends to slide off the radar. But when there are multiple incidences and more than one person making accusations they tend to go on longer, and uglier. When a candidate tries to ‘wing it’, a la Anthony Wiener and quite a few others, thinking they can sweet talk the press into their chosen narrative, things start to blow up. If it is found that a ‘there is there’ (like with Wiener) then it explodes and the candidate becomes known by the scandal and nothing else.

    The worst things for Cain in this particular scandal are not necessarily the original ‘sins’ but how he would react to crisis (of any kind) as POTUS. So far he has dissembled, changed his stories, looked wholly unprepared and (like Wiener and the ‘hacker defense’) is actively trying to blame somebody else without facts or evidence to support the blaming. In this way he’s acting a lot like Obama, who tends to blame EVERYBODY or THING but himself for both original sins and crisis management.

    Something else will come out about Cain. There’s a lot of video of him at various private company functions…singing and the like. Right now there’s a lot of smoke but its not been contained by the campaign. All its going to take to really set Cain on his heels is that one video clip or a tearful woman speaking publicly and that will counter all his protestations. You have to know that people hold these things back until they think they can get maximum effect. So I’m sure other shoes will drop.

    As for blaming Perry…I think that will pass with time. In the first place, its unseemly of Cain to make the accusation and it looks unfair on the face of it. Perry, if he maintains his calm demeanor as he has so far, will probably gain from the exchange…by showing leadership and grace under fire.

  • Scope

    being interviewed by Gloria Borger. He could not have been more complimentary to Cain, and despite Cain accusing him of being the leaker, he said he still thinks highly of Cain. He refused to say anything bad about Cain. He said that Cain never had that conversation with him in 03 about the sexual harassment charges. When pushed by Borger to answer if Cain was lying, he refused to call names. The guy was very believable, credible and likable. Read Matt Lewis’s article about Curt Anderson today. It also speaks of an honest guy with integrity, even though he is swimming in the pool with the political mudslinging sharks. He does appear to be that oddity in the political world. He can only help Perry, not hurt him.

  • clintonformccain

    …is probably the only thing that could actually make this even worse for the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich is probably the only pol in America who would draw more negative reaction from independent female voters than Sarah Pailin. A Newt boom is not a good thing for the Republican Party. I don’t know if you go back to the 90s, but his picture was in the dictionary next to the phrase, “unbridled arrogance”.

  • cldonley

    I read some posts on this subject in which people said “there’s no way I can support Perry now.” What in the world are they thinking? Then they start believing the Rahm Emanuel link to Perry. We believe Rahm more than Rick Perry? Really? Unfortunately, not all of our conservative brothers and sisters are thinking clearly on this.

  • Scope

    with Cain being rude to the reporters, and his staff pushing and shoving the reporters and innocent bystanders is any indication of an imminent implosion, I agree that it won’t be pretty. Before he exists the stage, he will try to inflict the most damage to the Perry campaign that he can. In my opinion, that was his main job all along, to take Perry down no matter what. The harder he pushes that meme, the more it will tend to backfire on him. The backfiring is already beginning.

    He rose because of his likability, honesty, integrity and all around pleasantness. That is disappearing right in front of everyone’s eyes. No one can keep up an act indefinitely, the real person always eventually shows through.

  • tyman

    nt

  • jonerik

    Just as I was posting this, Streiff was posting another shoe dropping. And this one is bad because it brings to bear a lot of problematic mis-steps (and PERHAPS) real misdeeds by Cain.

    As I wrote, these shoes will continue to drop squarely on Cain’s head.

  • nepanyrush

    Love your analogy of two crabs trying to escape a fishing bucket.

    If Perry or Romney or even Obama and the liberals are the source of the allegations, it is not a problem for me. It is good that any garbage comes out now rather than as an October surprise. We saw how Clinton’s issues came up in the primary and they were old news by the general election. And we saw how W’s DUI came up the weekend before the 2000 election and almost cost him the election.

    On the hand, this fingerpointing of Cain toward Perry’s camp as the source of the allegations, and Perry’s communication director, Sullivan, suggesting to the media that it was Romney’s camp, is reprehensible. If they have no evidence — and apparently they have no evidence — then they should not be casting asperions on other candidates for political gain. That is well below the belt. I have trouble supporting anyone spreading innuendo without any substantial evidence.

  • retire05

    no, wait, it was Rahm Emanual, no wait, wait, it was BOTH Perry and Emanuel who leaked the story is that the leak is NOT the story. Cain’s behavior is the story and is what is up for scrutiny.

    What Cain is trying to do is [perhaps] kill the messenger. Does Cain think that if he won the nomination, Obama’s hachet man, David Alexrod, would not have used the story? Surely, Cain is not that big an amateur.

    But blaming Perry is going to work for just so long. Yeah, those who are supporting Cain, in spite of his ever changing story, are going to continue to support Cain as he personally bashes another candidate. But for independents, that has a certain shelf life, and it won’t take long for the sympathy to switch from Cain, who is now claiming victimhood, to Perry who is being, in the eyes of independents, victimized by Cain with no proof of wrong doing.

    The voter is fickle, and has the attention span of a gnat. Cain is treading on dangerous ground here, and would be wise to heed Newt’s advise.

    Now the Cain problem has become a snowball rolling down hill. With each revelation, a new one certainly follows. It takes only so long before fence sitters decide there is a fire causing all that smoke. Now, I don’t know that Cain did what he is being accused of, but neither does anyone else. I do think it suspect that Mark Block said Cain will not ask NRA to release the documents on the accusations. Hell, the NRA could black out the women’s names and still release the documents, as one woman’s lawyer has requested. That would protect their identity and sill back up Cain claims of the accustions being found “baseless.”

    I suspect somewhere in the future, someone will write a book entitled “How To Murder Your Own Campaign or The Politics of Self Implosion.”

  • themamabear

    I have been supporting both Cain and Newt. I have wished that Cain would be the guy but all along I’ve been doubtful that he’d end up as the nominee. I wasn’t anticipating a scandal; I just believe that these are perilous times and our President needs more experience. A Gingrich/Cain ticket was my “dream” ticket.

    I don’t know if this will knock out Cain. However, I do hope that this incident will cause people will take another look at Newt. Everyone says he’s got too much baggage and I just don’t understand this. To me that shows that we – the country and the Republican party – are still not serious about getting our country back on track. Newt is the most qualified one on the stage to deal with the impending decline of our country. I know he sat on Nancy’s couch, but all of the candidates have made mistakes. I don’t see Newt as a flip-flopper or a mush, and that is how I see Romney.

    I don’t care that Newt is on his 3rd marriage. I would have cared if he presented divorce papers to a wife in a hospital with cancer, but that story was false.

    Newt is the right guy for these times!

  • tyman

    Oooh…Rush just admitted he didn’t know whether Cain did it or not.

    She said what some of us have been saying about Ann Coulter, and Rush said that caused him to doubt her lifelong conservatism.

    He finally wound up cutting her off.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    this charge even if true due to how it could de-rail his unique reason for being competitive, but at some point if you know that another campaign is fomenting attacks, it is arguable that this strategy is necessary. It seems that the Perry pollster that now claims to have witnessed boorish behavior by Cain towards a female, that Cain’s charges have credibility. Moreover, Perry’s first reaction was to blame Romney, rather than simply deny.

    I’m going to stick to Cain, barely for now, simply to highlight some issues and let the he said/she saids play out for a bit. I fully expect Cain’s gaffes to continue, thus exhibiting incompetence and that i will then lean to someone not named Mitt until the media is through with us and we have to settle for Mitt…or write in Jim Webb’s name in a Dem Primary? smile

  • tyman

    She told Rush that when Clinton was accused, Rush took up for the women.

    Now, it appears that Rush has taken up for Cain and that the women are “bimbo eruptions”.

    He for sure didn’t like that.

  • uncmike

    “Washington is not for you?a normal guy, who doesn?t sound polished, doesn?t say things quite right sometime, but can solve problems and has a history of it.”

    But, one of the biggest knock’s I hear from other conservatives about Perry is that he’s not articulate and can’t debate. Why is it we should give Cain a pass for not being able to handle this crisis, but we say to heck with Perry because he’s not as polished as Romney in speaking? And Perry, too, has a positive record as governor of one of the most prosperous states in the Union.

    In fact, the evidence suggests Washington is not for normal people, it’s mostly for power-grabbing, politicians who want to stay there forever.

  • cldonley

    are what? There are lots of references to Perry’s negatives, but no real substance. If the only thing you look at is debate performance, maybe. But otherwise, what negatives? eVerify? Please. In state tuition? Hispanics come here because they’re hungry, not because they have the opportunity for in state tuition. The fence? A non-issue. A fence will be in-effective unless it’s guarded- why not just guard the border and save the cash? And Guardasil. I live in Texas, and was never compelled to give my daughters these injections. His economic proposal is great, taxes, great, energy policy awesome. (Look at Horowitz’s piece on Perry’s tax plan). The last thing we need is to settle for a flip-flopping, global warming, universal health care RINO to help Boehner and McConnell take the country over the cliff under the leadership of the GOP.

  • texabama

    is to lower the boom. I absolutely agree that he has too many negatives. What’s with this fever for choosing the “best debater”. Anyone who knows anything about debating knows that a really good debater learns to debate BOTH sides. Because they can do that they often have a difficult time making the right decision.

    People are complaining about Congress and we want to nominate a former Speaker of the House? And not just a former Speaker of the House, but one ousted after numerous ethics allegations? And we’re going to throw our support on a known philanderer after taking down a suspected one?

    No thanks.

  • Common_Cents

    Geez, Perry came in with the lead and punted, now he is getting a 2nd look and comes out w/ more excuses on his poor debates. I want to like this guy and think he’d do well as CIC, but he has got to show that he can win. Debates are critically important. They already took him down once, can we trust the guy to hold up to obama and his lame stream media?

    Perry, you are running for CIC. Don’t give us excuses, put on your big boy pants.

    “We had, I think, four debates during that period of time and frankly I didn?t have time to prepare for those debates ? obviously it showed.?

    ?I hate debates,? he said. ?I hate debates worse than I did spinning when I was a pilot in the United States Air Force. But you know what, I practiced enough that I got pretty good at it ? so there?ll be plenty of debates, but here?s what people are interested in: we?ve got a great debater in the White House, slick politician, and our country is really paying a great price for that.?

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/perry-poor-debate-performances-due-to-fundraising-pressure/#ixzz1cfHbZrWf

  • notpropagandized

    Maybe Cain’s murder/suicide becomes a wounding/suicide instead in case Cain and Block don’t make sure they’ve actually killed Perry before they’ve succumbed to their own suicide. The suicide appears to have been planned anyway as their organization looks like a secret extension of the Romney campaign.

    If anyone is to survive this, Perry is the one to do it. Such a shame that Cain has turned out to be an imposter. How cool it would have been if he’d thrown off the shackles and cloak as Romney’s stalking horse and done the right thing and led this nation back to its freedom roots. That would have been REAL hope and change.

  • notpropagandized

    Having a hard time seeing voters imagine Calista being a FirstLady. She looks like something out of the late ’50s. Goodness gracious, God bless her and Newt.

  • snowshooze

    And this is a common problem he does have… when he should keep his mouth shut…it’s too late. It already went off.
    Even if totally exonorated, Cain has been reacting horribly, and just based on what his mouth has shot out thus far…yikes.

  • retire05

    Do you not know the difference between an “excuse” and an “admission?”

    Or haven’t you gotten that far is basic English?

  • notpropagandized

    Very well stated. Perry’s so-called “negatives” are figments of The Imagination Gone Wild. The “negatives” only exist because of highly DISHONEST debate hit-jobs by Romney and Bachmann plus some followup jabs by Santorum, Paul and Cain – all of whom knew they HAD to destroy Perry to have a chance.

    Then FrankLuntz and his focus groups, well-intentioned and surface-observant, naively piled on and lapped it all up without once questioning the debaters motives OR veracity. No question, Perry was NOT at all skillful in hitting back at Romney, but it did no good for him to sit by and let the dishonesty go unchallenged.

    We should all hope that voters will hit the RESET button and start over. Romney-nyet. Cain-nyet. Newt-nyet. …

  • PubliusII

    Honestly, none of the current Republican candidates create much enthusiasm, at least in me. I am truly sorry that the two governors (Pawlenty and Daniels) exited the race. While neither was flashy, both were sufficiently conservative and solidly competent enough to be a nominee for whom I, at least, could happily vote.

    Now all of our choices are sub-optimal. We can choose between the Romney the chameleon, Perry the inarticulate, Newt the thrice married organizational disaster, Cain the cad, etc. Sheesh! What an unappealing selection.

    Is it too late, in terms of organizing a campaign and raising $$$, for somebody new? I can’t imagine any of the current choices inspiring us a Reagan did, and what a disaster for our country if Obama wins next year.

  • RichmondG30

    is that it is completely overshadowing his “speech” the other day in which he was clearly anebriated (in my opinion).

    As I watched it, the only thought that kept going through my head was “Holy cow! This is unreal!”. I have rarely felt so uncomfortable watching a candidate give a speech as I did watchinng Perry. It was bizarre and I thought with enough national coverage of that spectacle he’d be finished.

    But alas, Herman Cain and his scandal ride to the rescue and Perry lives to fight another day.

  • notpropagandized

    My uninformed and very disappointed conclusion is that Cain is supposed to murder his own campaign because it’s really Romney’s subsidiary campaign and he no longer needs it. Or if it continues, then its obvious connection to Romney will be too easily identified.

    FredThompson was McCains stalking horse. Cain is Romney’s stalking horse. It’s all now very common in politics and the average voter should become aware of it and wise up for future shennanigans.

  • kestrel

    Nikki Haley is implementing legal reform in SC.
    “Either You Vote for the Trial Lawyers or You Vote for Business” — Gov. Haley.

    http://www.instituteforlegalreform.com/blog/commentary/south-carolina-governor-nikki-haley-either-you-vote-for-the-trial-lawyers-or-you-vot

    Gee, she reminds me of a guy named Rick… Rick Somebody.

  • notpropagandized

    How crass it would be to call you an idiot, it would be wrong b/c you’re probably far from being an idiot. But giving life to such an outright lie and hit job is purely idiotic. Go do your research and strive for some honesty in your conclusions.

  • rightyb07

    The election is going to be about the economy, so why not Huntsman? He was a great governor in Utah and his economic plan was supported by the WSJ. His health care policy is a great free market based idea. And he was the ambassador to China (China is a big foreign policy issue for the US)

  • septembergurl

    Thank you, younggop.

    Be warned that any mention of Huntsman — a successful conservative governor with proven job creation, tax reform and regulatory reform skills, successful CEO of a huge corporation, successful diplomat and trade representative — will unleash a Two-Minutes’ Hate such as you see here.

    Many here who like to think they are independent thinkers take their opinions from Erick and other influential conservatives without ever checking the premises.

    For those who retain the ability to make up their own minds, or those who wonder how I, whose ideal President is Calvin Coolidge, can support a so-called “RINO” or liberal, please check out the following:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/hey-republicans-theres-one-real-conservative-left-to-vote-for-and-its-jon-huntsman-2011-10?op=1

    then get back to me.

  • lucasblack

    The deadline for filing in the NH primary has already passed, for one thing. The only one I could see pulling it off at this stage is Jeb Bush, and that’s just not going to happen.

  • lucasblack

    I don’t think Lazy Fred Thompson was McCain’s (or anyone else’s) stalking horse. I think he got seduced into it by people who wanted a ‘great right hope’ and he didn’t realize just how much work it would be to run for president when he’d rather be home with his hot wife. Cain, I think, got into this to raise his profile and speaking fees and doesn’t want to piss of Romney because he’s betting he’ll be prez and will repay any help he gets from Cain.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    .no.text.

  • Scope

    Thanks for the report. I can’t listen to Rush anymore.

    Good for Sadie. There really are valid cases of sexual harassment against women, and with Rush sticking up for Cain without knowing the details, he hurts all of those women who have truly been harassed. Calling it “bimbo eruptions” is an insult against all women. I hope more call in to let him know how they feel about his undying support of someone who he knows nothing about.

  • acat

    Lots of people fleeing the wreck of the Cain Train.

    Who’s to say Huntsman can’t pick up a few stragglers?

    Mew

  • lucasblack

    Are you saying Newt is a RINO? That’s ridiculous, especially coming from a person rooting for a candidate who wasn’t a Republican even IN name. I do remember the 1990 and we’d be in a very different place if it were not for Newt. He was the one who brought the GOP back after decades of of being in the minority and helped get the budget balance. Big Government Texas Republicans like Tom Delay and George W Bush screwed up the GOP brand, not Newt Gingrich. I’ll agree that he’s a flawed candidate and women won’t love him, but I would think the gender gap with Perry would be just as bad or worse! Have you seen how fast his negatives rose?
    Newt Gingrich is no RINO and I think it’s quite offensive for that suggestion to be made.

  • celador2

    Even if the unfounded and detiailess charges by unseen murky Democrats against Cain are true, do they meet a standard tha tCain is unfit to be president? I point to all that Bill Clinton did with or to Jones. Wiley , Brodderick and finally Monica. he isa iconof the Demcorats and media. Iwonder if the accusers woud vate for Bill again if they could.

    There was evidence o n Bill, Newsweek spiked a story on the blue dress but Drudge ran with it and broke the dam.

    With Cain it is, he said she said ,with the she in shadows ccolored by a partisan D.
    .
    Non existing standards drove the forgiving public and Senate to support a sitting president1999 ; perhaps they can give Cain a chance on a he said she said charge made years ago.

    if Bill C can move on in full glory the withchunted Cain tied only by inuendo and imagination to scandal can too.

    The non specific charges should not be news.

  • Flagstaff

    Both you and Mike.

  • Scope

    and if Cain got the nom and was going up against Obama, you can rest assured there will be another deep throat that would leak the accusers names, and probably all the documents themselves. Didn’t Obama get sealed divorce info released in order to win his Senate seat?

    This is the first time I’m hearing that Block said they don’t want the accusers to speak. Gezz, that right there looks like he is as guilty as sin. Only his die hard’s would not see that he has something to hide.

    Cain will never recover from this. Never.

    Just heard that the Restaurant Assoc. spoke with the accusers lawyer today, and that they will be making a statement tomorrow. I wonder if Cain is the one holding them up.

  • msjallen

    I can say is PLEASE NOT ROMNEY for president.

  • celador2

    Honesty and familly values and monogamy are not for Newt!

    Newt was not chosen for Speaker 1999 so he resigned for Hastert.. We would learn the year the GOP inHouse impeacehed pres Clinton over lying about Monica thet Newt had an affair with an Agriculture staff worker. He would later marry her as wife number three. He found salvation by coverting to herfaith Catholicism and appently was set to run for President.

    He had been criticized in his career for telling wife one he was leaaving her when he saw her after a cancer surgery. Wife two MAureen kept silent but gave one teling interview on the big speech maker on familly valuses. he ahd affiars and made such speeches becaue no one else was capable. he told Maureen to live with it.

    Now he has Calista who once sang in the choir, They made a film on a Pope. Newt is reformed, voters.But Demorats and press can use his own actions, words and facts to show he is less than a standard family man.

    Can we trust a double life leader? Has Newt reformed?

  • rightyb07

    is Huntsman not better than flip flopping Romney or inarticulate Perry

  • celador2

    Whatever the filing date timelines or deadlines for most primaries there is time but mayb enot in first five. Had Pawlenty stayed he’d be in top three today.Mike Pence we need YOU now.

  • retire05

    that I think Cain thinks by keeping this in the news, he is accomplishing two things:

    he is getting funded purely out of the sympathy voter and

    he is knocking Perry off the front page with both high-value interviews Perry has had this week. As I said, if it happens again, it’s deliberate.

    To begin with, when Cain was advised by Politico that the story was going to break in 10 days, he should have been in full damage control and that included having NRA contact the women and ask to release the documents as long as their names were redacted. And as long as we are talking about women, we are not discussing the fact that Cain seems to think the way to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons is to drill on U.S. soil. I guess he thinks that if we are drilling here, China will stop buying from Iran. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    It makes me sad. I really thought Cain brought something to the table and contributed to the debate of where we should go as a nation. Now I think he is just a train wreck looking for a place to happen.

  • limbchicken

    Normally I agree in general with Mr. Erickson, but in this case I do not agree that Cain is finished or even close to finished.
    The people of this country are taking a different view of this campaign and you on the Washington scene are incapable of understanding that. You are not the USPS, you cannot take a campaign and fit it in a pre-sized box and if it does not fit, it won’t ship? Well guess again guys, come Nov. 2012 when BHO gets royally kicked out of office by the American Public, you will be to busy scratching your head and posteriors to understand what the Devil happened and why.
    So get a grip. Hold on tight. Your in for a wild ride with the rest of us. If some how it does not happen, be wearing your parachute, cause we are going over the cliff either on a run or a walk, it won’t matter. The country will be dead either way.

  • phelbin

    the minority around here) mainly because of his business background and his success as a turnaround specialist. Perry is not a slimy politician in the Romneycare flip-flopper style, but he is a career politician. And IMO our country needs a business leader, not another attorney/politician. So I absolutely agree with what Rush is saying.

    The reason Perry’s debate skills are an issue for me, is that I cringe at the thought of him debating head-to-head with Obama. He’s a good governor and a good leader, but he doesn’t have the charisma to capture the attention of an increasingly celebrity-driven American public. He won’t inspire people. Cain is demonstrating that he’s a political novice, but he has the charisma and ability to articulate common sense plans that would grab people’s attention in the general election. I’d love to see him take on Obama in a debate.

    Cain’s staff has botched the situation, and he has definitely messed up a few interviews, but I don’t doubt his intelligence for one minute. Remember that until a month ago he was seriously short on cash. As he advances, he’ll have the resources to hire people who know what they’re doing. He’d be a different candidate going forward.

  • mikeymike143

    is there a polling category for ”has less than 5 supporters?” LOL

  • PubliusII

    only the FIRST primary. Is the race over once New Hampshire votes? Admittedly the world has changed since 1968, but Robert Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey didn’t enter the Democratic race until after McCarthy wounded Johnson in New Hampshire, and Johnson withdrew. And that was in March or so, 1968.

    If the race is truly over once New Hampshire votes, let’s just agree that whoever they vote for will be our nominee, and save the money we spend holding primaries all around the country.

  • deVere

    ” I would have cared if he presented divorce papers to a wife in a hospital with cancer, but that story was false.”

    Dig deeply with a search engine as I did and you may deduce the truth. The press accounts from the time of the first divorce suggest only one conclusion to me.

    It’s impressive that Newt’s daughter is willing to fib for him, but perhaps she’s a GOP consultant whose career is tied to Newt’s success.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is the best way to characterize what has been happening.

    I have been blogging on a pro-Cain site all-day…
    http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/open-letter-to-herman-cain-from-a-fellow-black-conservative?xg_source=msg_com_blogpost&id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A1601349&page=1#first_comment
    …accepting all slings/arrows, while referencing postings here on Red State.

    What I have learned is that there are many Cainiacs who are totally unacquainted with the facts; everyone else who cares, however, knows what’s happening, for it’s “As the World Turns” in the minds of the punditry.

    My point is that there are only four people now truly in the running, and Perry will grow to attack Romney effectively in Iowa, attracting the adherents to Cain and, ultimately, to The Newt…my opinion, but based on how quickly matters appear to be evolving.

    Of course, this assumes Rick is now in his comfort-zone relative to the debates and that the sneering-class doesn’t poison the atmosphere for the people who truly care about the outcome.

  • clintonformccain

    Bill Clinton, notwithstanding his inabilty to keep his zipper zipped, had a track record as three terms as a governor and two terms as President of the United States.

    Herman Cain is a nobody. He has never been elected to anything. He has no track record. To equate the two in terms of ability to ride out a scandal is just naive.

  • acat

    At least we know where Huntsman stands…

    I’ll take the inarticulate Texan over the coreless hairdo and the obama fan. Last inarticulate Texan worked out pretty well, after all.

    Mew

  • circlegranch

    such as they don’t know he tried to keep this situation under wraps during his Senate race. They aren’t buying the latest releases about his inappropriate comments to the radio show staff, etc.

    This will be a defining moment for the tea party voters. Many claim to be values voters and Cain actually won the poll at the Values Voter convention. Will this situation be excused? Will they refuse to face some factual information and at least say that there’s enough question to cause concern?

    Cain’s Smoking Gun did back down from his attack on Perry’s team yesterday. Again, not really consistent with people of high values.

    We’ll see. Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and Fox basically can sink or swim his candidancy. Its risky business to be in their hands, but I’m sure he’ll take what he can get. I can’t bear to listen to Hannity anymore on the radio so don’t know what all he’s spouting today but Rush refuses to acknowledge that Cain changed stories over and over, he doesn’t seem a bit bothered by the attack on Perry as being the leaker. He basically stand by his man; probably because he himself has been the object of alot of personal controversy. He probably feels duty bound to stand by another guy in the crosshairs.

  • davesinsanantonio

    will be unable to rally the party for the hard decisions, so they will be pushed down the road. Thus, the economy will not really improve or not much. So, the Dems will campaign on “see, we told you so”. and will get back in full power and continue their damaging ways, all the while blaming the Republicans. The more things change the more they stay the same, unless the changes are profound. Especially if those changes are in the direction of things that actually work!!!

  • Flagstaff

    Both are important.

    Grades

    Herman Cain

    Substance: B-. Excellent credentials in business and government (Fed Reserve) Wrong about 9-9-9. Has whiffed on enough questions that it’s becoming a problem that can’t be overlooked.

    Demeanor: B-. Adult. Stand-up guy. Has shown clumsy articulation under pressure, and judgmental weakness in current flap. Accusation against Anderson was just dumb. Noticeable “dry mouth” during difficult questioning. Straightforward, generally.

    Newt Gingrich

    Substance: A-. Solid conservative credentials. Has solid answers to questions about real issues.

    Demeanor: A. So far, unflappable. Consistently adult. Serious. Unfortunate tendency to accept liberal overtures at face value, to answer questions literally and in too much detail instead of getting at the underlying meaning behind the question, resulting in unnecessary confusion about his positions. Straightforward, period.

    Rick Perry

    Substance: B-. Seems to be conservative, but it’s still unclear to me. How much of the Texas “miracle in the recession” is due to his leadership, and how much to a confluence of oil and a favorable tax environment? Right about the border. Right about Gardasil. Right about in-state tuition.

    Demeanor: C-. Looks good, or this would be a D+. Usually adult. Appears obsessed with petty issues. Inarticulate (as bad as GWB). Unconvincing, even when right about something. Looks uncomfortable in a group setting (debates), yet seems fine one-on-one. At times strays from subject rather than address it.

    Mitt Romney

    Substance: C+. Seems to be on the right side of most issues. May not always know what the right side is. Probably excellent on economic issues when divorced from unfortunate tendency to use statist approach to solve some problems. Surprisingly, may be more solid on SoCon issues than with FisCons.

    Demeanor: B+. Adult. Smooth. Unflappable. Seems up on all issues. Got petty with Perry, but recovered first. Can appear devious, even when he isn’t.

    Advantage: Gingrich

    Finally,

    Barack Obama

    Substance: F. Empty coat hanger. Not enough there to be called an empty suit.

    Demeanor: A-. Precocious adolescent. Under controlled circumstances, perfect. Outside those controls, not perfect, but those occasions are almost never allowed to take place.

    Advantage: We will know next November, or the following January if Al Gore gets involved.

  • evilleramsfan

    …so anything is possible between now and then….

  • acat

    didn’t consolidate around not-McCain soon enough.

    We are repeating this.

    Mew

  • horizonscanner

    Alinsky.

    “Darkness at Noon”

    Robespierre.

    RadLib Cartoon Villains in “Atlas Shrugged” whom Ayn Rand identified for the first time in U.S. history.

    ZeroKing’s Mobs working with the Toffs at Politico.

    Maddow-Matthews Schizophrenic Syndicate.

    Bob Beckel.

    And over it all: George “Goldfinger” Soros who said that, “I really didn’t anticipate becoming God. When I sold Jews down the river I did it to survive and make a little money, admittedly, the frisson of betrayel fed my soul with unexpected benefits. But, now, seeing my domino theory in the Near East succeeding according to my expectations, I have to admit it, I must be God, or pretty close. I handle the role pretty well. I watch all the James Bond movies aboard my Airbus Whale, so I stay ahead of events. This kid I put into the White House was a real Godsend. Okay, I didn’t “create” him. But, you who doubt or hate me must admit that “God” played into my hands, hands that control futures markets. Not bad, not bad at all, I say to myself on edge of sleep.”

  • RichmondG30

    First of all I clearly said “in my opinion”. That differentiates it from fact. Last time I checked this is a forum for opinions.

    Did you actually take the time to watch the whole thing? Once again, in my opinion, he went from borderline incoherent to manic to at times slurring his words.

    It is absolutely not a hit job. I am actively looking for a candidate to support so we can remove His Highness from the White House. I have not settled on any candidate.

    I don’t want Romney. Although he would be an improvement over Obama, it would only be a marginal improvement.

    When Perry entered the race I was thrilled because I wanted him to be the anti-Romney. His debate performances were brutal. FOR ME, that “speech” was the final nail in the coffin. We cannot afford to put someone up on that stage against Obama who could be shredded in a debate.

    In my opinion, Perry would be much weaker than Cain, Romney, Bachmann, Gingrich, Paul, or Santorum in a head-to-head with Obama. I am looking for him to convince me otherwise and that speech sure as heck didn’t do that.

  • evilleramsfan

    what was advertised as debates up until now was anything but a debate. It was a competition for 30 second sound bites….

  • Flagstaff

    nt

  • streiff

    in the world who has said that after… allegedly…. viewing the whole performance. For a good reason. It isn’t true.

    The manic view comes from the “best of” cuts spliced together. Even then there are no slurred words. As the speech was given in front of a evangelical audience it is pretty unlikely that any drinking took place beforehand.

    So, just knock this stuff off. I makes you look dishonest.

  • Flagstaff

    Cain is far from a nobody. He’s had four successful careers, and he’s worked his way up from the bottom.

    All experience in government gives you is a better awareness of who is trying to outflank you, and how to get legislation passed. If it’s the wrong legislation, that’s a minus, not a plus.

    And NONE of the candidates has any foreign affairs experience (unless you count Huntsman’s job as ambassador). And that includes the incumbent. So it really isn’t a job requirement.

    The best “experience” the first Obama campaign could come up with is that he was “running a successful campaign.” Go figure that one out.

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt

  • davesinsanantonio

    He thinks he can just order something done and people will jump to do it. Not in the world of American politics! In politics you have to respect the power of the opposition, because they have money and votes, and research staff, to back them up.
    On the other hand, having a ten day lead time and failing to come up with a workable solution demonstrates too much ivory tower life in the corporate high rise. Thinking that a gag order or a non-disclosure agreement are made in steel and cannot be broken shows an unrealistic belief in the illusory. Much like his foreign policy fantasies.

  • clintonformccain

    He never crossed the Commander in Chief threshold for me, i.e. somebody with sufficient exerience to warrant handing him the codes to the nuclear arsenal. Being the CEO of a mid-tier pizza chain doesn’t meet the Commander in Chief threshold either, especially when the dude doesn’t even know that China has had nuclear weapons for over half a century. It’s a bad joke to think someone that unqualified could be seriously considered.

  • RichmondG30

    If he had a couple of drinks before the speech, it would at least explain it. If not, I am even more puzzled.

  • tyman

    where Perry is getting more money from women over $200 than any other candidate.

    Rick Santorum is next. My guess is because Rick Santorum is so pro-family.

    Like it or not, looks matter in politics.

    Newt may not be a “RINO”, but he has sided with some left wingers and he’s had problems with his message.

    As much as I like Newt, I think the Dems would dig up a bunch of stuff on Newt from his days as speaker. Remember how easily they took the Medicare withering on the vine comment?

    I have no doubt that they will do that to any of our candidates, but I’d rather not just hand it to them.

    Newt Gingrich faced some very tough elections in Georgia, and I don’t know if he truly has the energy for an exhaustive national campaign.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    his pollster says he witnessed an alleged act of sexual harassment. But won’t reveal what he witnessed? Newt beginning to look better every day…

  • ihavehadit

    To support a man like Cain who can’t open his mouth without inserting his foot? He believes China is trying to develop Nukes for goodness sakes. He can say he misspoke or we misunderstood but he said it twice on two different programs so that DOG WON’T HUNT HERB, you screwed up. But after two days and the comics started making fun of him he finally addressed the China issue at a scheduled meeting yesterday talking about China’s military power and their nuclear program pretending he never screwed up two days before in two different interviews. And the Cainbotts will believe he just misspoke. With this much ignorance about the world Newt will bury him in the debates. It will be like a second grader debating a college graduate. It should be painful to watch.

  • davesinsanantonio

    If Romney wins Iowa and the first three primaries it is over. If Perry wins Iowa and the first three primaries it is over. Same for Cain, or even Bachmann.
    But, if each of the first four contests is won by a different person but one candidate comes in second in all four, then you will have some interesting politics.
    By not even showing in NH, you cripple the rest of your campaign. Not impossible to overcome, but tougher than Granny’s toenails!!!

  • ihavehadit

    that Cain is not finished because of the lack of intelligence of the conservative voter out there supporting Cain. If these are mostly Tea Party voters, then I am very disappointed with them and have to agree with the establishment that they are a danger to the party and the country. Herman Cain has not been vetted at all. Most thought he was just a funny friendly guy that was going nowhere but now that the tea party has got behind this guy they won’t back off or consider he may not be the man they thought he was. It’s like cutting off their nose to spite their face. Ace said it best. they will vote for him no matter what the facts are just to prove they can. Who does that help? Certainly not the country. My God we are in trouble and need a strong INTELLIGENT KNOWLEDGEABLE LEADER, not a pizza motivational speaker. Did we not learn nothing about electing Obama????

  • onemovoter

    Against Cain for again claiming something he has no proof of and Anderson has denied outright.

    Cain is on Hannity radio show and did it again, after Block walked back earlier assertions.

    This is really getting me aggravated.

  • septembergurl

    The past week has not taken Herb out (that will take a while) but it has stopped his momentum in the polls both statewide and national. Latest rasmussen has GOP LV’s: Cain 26, Mittens 23, Gingrich 14, Perry 8, Paul 7, Bachmann & Huntsman 2, Santorum 1.

    My take:

    Bachmann: Hard to see her coming back. She and Santorum have taken a few gingerly whacks at Cain in hopes of picking up his Iowa vote.

    Cain: He enjoys the support of influential talkers like Levin and Limbaugh. Though he has taken positions that are not conservative (support TARP, regressive tax reform, abortion) he is, as a consequence, the candidate of those who consider themselves most conservative. These dead-enders will keep him in the race, but (my guess) at the Ron Paul level.

    Gingrich: the poll above demonstrates that Gingrich has picked up some of Herb’s voters but he is also enjoying a slow, unspectacular climb. Next to Huntsman he is the most substantive candidate in the race. He will be one of the finalists, as EE indicates, but it is hard to see how he overcomes the high negatives he has with general election voters.

    Huntsman: Huntsman starting to look pretty good now, eh?
    1. Not Romney
    2. Substantive. Take time out from throwing your shoes at the telescreen and check out his energy plan, jobs plan, foreign policy.
    3. Zero scandals.

    Ron Paul: I’m actually surprised he isn’t doing better than last time.

    Perry: Huntsman and Perry made the same mistake entering the race — not cultivating the very influential conservative media, old and new alike. I’m guessing they figured that as conservative governors of conservative states who governed conservatively, they didn’t need to prove their bona fides. Big mistake. Hunts got pre-emptively kneecapped as a liberal lefty Obama-loving backstabbing faux Mormon pretty-boy, while Perry took a possibly fatal hit on the illegal immigration issue (which any conservative pundit would have told him to play down). Perry has worked hard to make up the deficit and seems to be positioning himself better. He seems to be mired in the low-middle single digits, behind Gingrich and sometimes Paul. Hard to discern the strategy, but he can’t be counted out.

    Romney: His calculation is that he will eventually be able to put together a win through attrition and mistakes by the other candidates. So far it’s not a bad strategy.

    Santorum: He could pull something off in Iowa if Herb craters and Bachmann and Perry fail to recover. Lot of ifs.

    My three finalists: Perry, Huntsman and Gingrich

  • davesinsanantonio

    presidents of Mexico, trade delegations, consuls, etc. Romney also has some dealing with the IOC and probably some delegations to the Olympics and as governor of Taxachussets.
    Granted these are not always high level, official goings-on, but they are foreign affairs.

  • bzip

    Just pathetic.

    We have the two stooges: Cain and Block We sure have learned how Cain makes decisions and judgments, real comforting isn’t it.

    Doesn’t Cain realize that Anderson future and career are based on confidentiality.

    Is it any wonder why many of the Perry supporters are upset and down right peeved.

    Cain has ensured that no Perry supporter will ever support him by his constant blaming. Excuse me Cain but this whole mess started with you Cain and your actions with these women.

  • politicalgal1

    is going to undergo serious scrutiny also.

    There is a blogger who has been doing extensive research on Cain’s business resume, as well as his thoughts on Cain’s appointment to the Federal Reserve. It is worth a read: http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/10/

  • davesinsanantonio

    n. t.

  • cldonley

    to very graciously deny. And Mr. Anderson even more graciously denied, while being over-the-top kind to Mr. Cain. And I just heard Cain on Hannity, where he basically said that either Mr. Anderson is lying or he wasn’t doing his job because he should have asked me about it way back then. Really? No props for that.

  • http://www.editedforbias.com editedforbias

    We want a candidate that does not react to claims either way. That let’s the media smear him without reaction. Like Clinton.. oh wait that was true. Or like Edwards… oh wait that was true too.

    Maybe just maybe, those that do not react are guilty and those that get upset by continued obsession about false claims are simply being honest. Until I hear more, I will assume false claim and severance on departure.

    Would appreciate any HR professional or lawyer letting us know how often this happens. I had a small company and will each layoff at least one employee threatened a lawsuit. Never heard if any moved forward or were paid. But none had merit.

  • tyman

    There was an interview she gave (I think w/ Greta) and she kept calling him Herb and Herbcain over and over. I thought it was hilarious.

    For me, it’s kinda stuck.

  • onemovoter

    It came out a few weeks ago by Cain saying that those who don’t really like him usually end up calling him Herb. Cain doesn’t like that.

  • gekster

    First he played the race card, saying the attacks were from the left because he is a black conservative.
    Then he blamed the Perry camp.
    I didn’t know that Perry was a lefty who doesn’t like black conservatives.
    (I’m sure Jack would agree with that one)
    That realy cleared things up for me.

  • notpropagandized

    The speech organizer has been interviewed on Fox and said he’s not decided on whom to back and said the only thing he saw Perry drink at the event was water at dinner. He said Perry’s speech was very well received and applauded by those in attendance. It was a late evening affair and entertainment was likely in order so Perry could have been inclined toward a sanguine, expressive delivery. But to tag inebriation on that is just not honest. An honest observer would accept the comprehensive analysis that has been presented since the bogus claim was made.

  • rightwingmom52

    About the foreign policy experience, that is.

  • cldonley

    and I have no idea how you got that from my post. It seems very easy to me to understand that a flip-flopping, global warming, universal health-care candidate would be Mr. Romney. I remember the 90s very well, and am thankful for Newt and what he did as a statesman. I am also quite sure that Perry is not the like Bush and certainly not like Delay. So, I’d say try not to be so thin skinned about your candidate.

  • sunshinek67

    The problem is that if he should ever get into the top of the polls, all of the same tired old stories will resurface and he will be forced to carry that heavy baggage with him wherever he goes. I will vote for him if it comes down to it, but I cannot see him generating much of a buzz in mass numbers needed to offset Obama’s 80%+ Democratic base, plus some independents.

    His poll numbers are currently rising by default because presently vetted candidates Cain & Perry’s numbers are fluid. Yeah, he sounds smart on stage, perhaps wiser now by his past mistakes, but I fail to see Gingrich appealing to a broad base of Republicans, in particular with women and college kids. I could be wrong, sure, but that is my take~

  • notpropagandized

    If you can prove Cain is NOT a shill for Romney and that his little campaign finance scandal that popped up recently, then I’ll go back to Cain, from whence I began. Until that time, bets/hopes are that Perry gets back on track. He’d be a great president, but no promises that media and establishment wonks won’t totally rake him over the coals.

    There used to be an intelligent partisan that went by the name of AnnCoulter and is no where to be found these days. She rightly said that if you nominate a true conservative then voters will emerge from the woodwork to vote for him/her. After repeating this wisdom, one day her spine went wobbly and the clever message was no more.

    DearVoters: Please name one person outside of Federal government who has spent more money, technology, law enforcement and other resources to interdict illegal immigration than RickPerry.

    DearVoters: Please advise of your plan to build a physical fence down the middle of the RioGrandeRiver, across Amistad and other lakes on the border. If you compromise and build a physical fence on Texas land, then please explain how very important commerce won’t be disrupted and that US territory won’t be constructively ceded to Mexico and its drug cartels.

  • sunshinek67

    He says he recalled the “settlement” meant legalities, not monetary. Whatever dude. He has an iq probably worthy of MENSA and he plays word games on the side for fun. I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his hellbent rhetoric against Rick Perry is getting under my skin.

  • notpropagandized

    OK, Cain’s picked up SOOO much baggage with the harrassment deal plus campaign law violation issue and appearance of being a set up man by the Romney campaign (perhaps Bachmann, too). He’s not at the lead of my ranking anymore:

    Now ranking is:
    Perry Gingrich(NO!) Huntsman Santorum Romney Others
    AND open for late entrants: Ryan Daniels Jeb, in any ranking order.

    Anybody else have a new ranking now?

  • onemovoter

    That talks about the speech in NH.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/03/nh-republicans-to-rick-perrys-teasers-sober-up-and-stop-giggling-about-his-animated-speech/

    It isn’t hard to do a little reading around the web to find out what really happened at certain events.

    Perry was up in NH in the first few weeks of his campaign having a local gathering. It was reported by one person who claimed to be there that the “crowd” booed Perry after a response to a question about the Gardasil issue. It was picked up by the national media and reported as truth.

    A person who WAS there in the crowd during the entire time said she never heard one boo from the crowd of about 150 people. She also found out that the reporter who posted the original story had tweeted that they were somewhere else during the time of the Perry event.

    So it’s best to read what people WHO WERE THERE said including the before hand accounts. Once you do read it, you should find that Streiff was right after all in your dishonesty.

  • misplaced texan

    and he’s still blaming Rick Perry’s campaign. Perry was on Erick Erickson’s show last night and flatly denied that anyone in his campaign was involved in this. Cain is talking out against the false accusations leveled at him because there is no proof, but where is his proof against Rick Perry? There is none. His credibility is gone as far as I’m concerned.

  • notpropagandized

    Streiff said you were dishonest. Learn to read. Get streiff to set me straight if I’m not reading right. No problem here admitting error.

  • avagreen

    I can’t believe that I ever supported this sleezebag.

  • avagreen

    From me and my husband.

  • sunshinek67

  • bzip

    .. from me and my significant other.

    Perry has proven to us he is the consistent true conservative capable and ready to lead us and our country out of harms way. I just don;t get that feeling from anyone else.

  • robertyates

    In looking at the polls over the last three months, there is clear relationship between Cain’s rise and Perry’s fall. Cain attracts a good portion of the conservative/tea party/evangelical voters who have problems with Romney. It is in Romney’s best interest to keep Cain in the race as long as it takes to have Perry fade.

    At this point in time, Cain is below average among the other candidates when it comes to addressing issues and responding to the media. In addition, Cain’s organization and money is vastly inferior to Perry’s. I just cannot see the motivation for Romney’s camp bringing down Cain and giving Perry another chance. If I were a Romney advisor and knew about the Cain allegations, I would be motivated to remain silent.

    Who had the best motive to shoot Cain? Perry benefits the most. I just think it is too much of a stretch that Romney could hope to shoot Cain and then have that same bullet ricochet and hit Perry too.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    seriously

  • dalehogue

    I’ve searched the whole world over and I haven’t found the perfect man or the perfect women or the perfect candidate for president.

    I’ve come to this conclusion: “Nobody’s perfect in this world of ours, even sweet milk gets old and sours. Nobody knows why it works that way, but it does, so don’t wrinkle your nose when a flower dies and its petals close. It’s just doing its thing and that is why nobody should sniffle, snuffle and cry, for nothing is perfect in this life we choose, some days we win, other days we lose.

    Perfection? It’s not for you, not even for me. Try opening your eyes and you will see in life, nothing is perfect we mortals find that seeking perfection is a state of mind.”

    From the poetry collection of Dale Hogue.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    marry the Mistress and all is well…or be a Democrat that defends the right to abortion no matter what.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Why is that so hard to understand?

  • dalehogue

    The Obama Kid will create this scenario before he is finished with us:

    Angry winds screaming as they smash against old brownstown buildings in every city in America.

    Newspapers will scramble about looking for refuge, touching first one thing then another before becoming impaled on the wrought iron fence that protects these imposing structures.

    A roar as declarative as a mob gone mad with hate will surge through these building shaking them to their very foundation.

    Closed doors will be torn open by the force of the wind and smashed beyond recognitiion.

    Furniture will be turned over and desecrated; sacred portraits of important ancestors will be ripped from their exalted positions and will be sent crashing unceremoniously to the floor.

    With the wind will come the rain, caustically permeating everything that the wind has denuded.

    The rain will be like nothing ever seen before; shafts of mercury hurled through the night stabbing the darkness with uncanny and deadly accuracy.

    Nothing will escape its chill, its wetness.

    The rain will fall on the just and the unjust.

    From the poetry collection of Dale Hogue

  • Flagstaff

    But his accomplishments, although they may not meet your needs, are significant enough to invalidate the slur “a nobody.” Not just that he held the jobs, but that he was successful at it and has private-economy experience, experience the the so-called experts from the public sector don’t have.

    We don’t have a co-presidency. We don’t have one president for domestic affairs and another one for foreign affairs (OK, I give in, Bill Clinton would be glad to have either kind), so we’ll almost always have candidates who are more experienced in one than the other, and it’s no big deal, but in fact Cain does have experience “in government” as a governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. which is more pertinent to possible Presidential dealings with foreign governments (G20, anyone?) than is the governorship of Massachusetts, or working with trade delegations of oilmen from Mexico, or the fact that your father is from Africa.

    As for handling “the codes to the nuclear arsenal,” that doesn’t require foreign policy experience or federal government experience, but it is improved by both negotiating experience and good sense, and some recognition of what the real world is like. That knowledge is available more readily in the “real” world than working in government.

    There are reasons to reject candidate Cain, but a lack of “government experience” isn’t one of them. It’s an excuse, not a reason. If, for you, it really is a reason, then the only choice you have is between Barack and Newt.

  • haumea

    “What?s with this fever for choosing the ?best debater?.”

    It’s foolishness – unless you think beating Obama in a debate and reassuring the independent voter that your candidate isn’t a dumbass is unnecessary.

  • haumea

    The MSM would paint Rick Perry as a Bush II-sized moron in a millisecond.

    And it would stick too.

  • Flagstaff

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  • haumea

    The perfect candidate does not exist.

    So one makes the hard adult decision and selects the least objectionable candidate.

    Which is Newt, IMO.

  • Flagstaff

    that this is a Shills-for-Cain site.

  • haumea

    Cain is the Republican Obama – unvetted, cult-of-personality figure enchanting crowds with his speech cadences.

    His gaffes reveal a candidate not ready for prime time.

  • izoneguy
  • dalehogue

    “In the city of Angels, a brick smashes a skull and a thug does a dance of joy over an innocent man who is left broken and bleeding!
    A jury decides that this is less than it seems.”

    (Kevin Starr: Los Angeles Times October 24, 1993)

    Some people believe this is no aberration,
    It’s how things should be done in this nation.
    When justice appears this way in their mind,
    They only feel they’re repaying in kind.

    It’s a perverse system that works for some
    Whose sense of justice has only become
    Concerned with nothing but color of skin,
    Not by actions or character within.

    This despicable game takes its toll
    As perfidious thinking gains control
    Of those misfits who deal in hate and fear
    And cause good citizens to shed a tear.

    Television will earn the devil’s pay
    Reporting the carnage of the day.
    Wild horrific scenes will appear the same
    As ruthless gangsters play this deadly game.

    Cowardly twisted minds may never learn
    That the civilized world will always turn
    On degenerate hoodlums small and large
    When Law and Order have taken charge.

    It’s a stupid game they play!
    Take the Devil away!

    From the collection of poetry by Dale Hogue

  • cbartlett

    What is the Republican “party line” on immigration and how does Perry violate it? I thought the conservative view was that we round all of the illegals up and send them home and liberals just want to give them all amnesty. The truth is neither of those options will ever work and we’ll end up with some kind of compromise. Perry has always supported border enforcement – to the tune of spending lots and lots of our Texas tax dollars because the stupid feds won’t do their job. He knows, like anyone with half a brain who knows what the Texas border looks like, that building a fence is a fruitless effort. There will never be a wall tall enough that someone can’t build a ladder taller to get over it. And building fences in a river is just not practical – duh! We need trained people and helicopters to support a fence. Perry definitely supports sending the illegals back when they commit crimes – it’s just hard to actually do it without feds “approving” it (how did we EVER set that process up?!?) Is it just the in-state tuition thing that gets Perry such a bad rap? If that is the main problem – he needs to be much more up front and talk about it so that people understand the real story. Is there something else he’s done with immigration that I don’t know about? This sure seems like a major problem to some people when, on all other issues, he seems to be the only real conservative.

  • californiagold

    There is no frontrunner….

    Anyone, including Ron Paul or Rick Perry, could outperform current polling in Iowa. In fact, the most under reported story is the amount of money Ron Paul has raised so far. He will be a thorn in the side of Perry, Cain, and Romney throughout the race.

    Finally, anyone who goes on CNN, Fox, or MSNBC and claims to know who will win the nomination is just blowing smoke out their behind. It’s far too early to know who will win Iowa, South Carolina, of Florida.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …what should be the penalty, Cainiacs?

    If Cain won’t reveal his “inside sources,” is he not invoking a double-standard?

    Now, what’s he gonna do about accuser #4?

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-pjm-sources-report-details-of-alleged-cain-incident/

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67581.html

    Sources reveal new details about Cain allegation

    By: Kenneth P. Vogel and Maggie Haberman and Alexander Burns
    November 3, 2011 05:28 PM EDT

    Herman Cain flatly denies the most serious allegation facing him ? that he made an unwanted sexual advance toward a female employee at a work event ? but POLITICO has learned new details making clear there were urgent discussions of the woman?s accusations at top levels of the National Restaurant Association within hours of when the incident was alleged to have occurred.

    The new details?which come from multiple sources independently familiar with the incident at a hotel during a restaurant association event in the late 1990s?put the woman?s account even more sharply at odds with Cain?s emphatic insistence in news media interviews this week that nothing inappropriate happened between the two.

    In recent days sources?including associates of the woman and people familiar with operations of the restaurant association?have offered new details of the incident.

    The woman in question, roughly 30 years old at the time and working in the National Restaurant Association?s government affairs division, told two people directly at the time that Cain made a sexual overture to her at one of the group?s events, according to the sources familiar with the incident. She was livid and lodged a verbal complaint with an NRA board member that same night, these sources said.

    The woman told one of the sources Cain made a suggestion that she felt was overtly sexual in nature and that ?she perceived that her job was at risk if she didn?t do it.?

    ?She is a pretty confident individual, and she was pretty upset,? the source, an acquaintance of the woman, said of her demeanor after the encounter with Cain. ?Not crying, but angry.?

    She described it as an ?unwanted sexual advance? to the other source. The woman took the matter immediately and directly to the board member because ?she wanted this fixed,? the source said.

    POLITICO has learned the accusation was also later brought to the attention of another board member as well as the restaurant association?s general counsel Peter Kilgore, both of whom are said to have looked into the matter. The woman, who now works in New Jersey, left the NRA in May 1998, shortly after the incident ? under an agreement that paid her one-year?s salary, in the mid-$30,000s, sources said. The amount of the settlement was first reported by the New York Times.

    She said at the time that she left because ?she was not getting along with her bosses,? said another source, a former NRA employee who knew her.

    POLITICO has spoken to more than six sources familiar with aspects of the woman?s story. Cain?s campaign this week did not respond to repeated calls and emails seeking comment on the new details related to the woman?s claim. Kilgore also has declined to comment, saying he cannot discuss personnel matters.

    POLITICO first reported the existence of the woman?s allegations on Sunday, and that she received a financial payout when she left the organization in 1998. POLITICO shared her name with Cain several days before publication, but, along with other news organizations that have learned her identity, has not publicly identified her for privacy reasons.

    In that story, POLITICO described a second woman who left the NRA after making sexual harassment allegations against Cain. That woman received about $45,000 as part of her settlement.

    Cain, in public comments over the past few days, has said he is unaware of any formal complaints beyond the one he has discussed in public ? which relates to the second woman who received a $45,000 settlement. That woman?s lawyer is now negotiating with the National Restaurant Association over possibly releasing a statement from the woman.

    In an interview with Greta van Susteren on Fox News Monday, Cain described the first woman, who is the subject of this story, as ?a longer-term employee? who ?worked in our governmental affairs department and she worked in the function that managed our political action committee.?

    Cain said he didn?t see her much, beyond ?casually running into her, like I would run into everybody? in the association?s Washington office. And he asserted: ?I have no knowledge that she made a formal complaint or accusation or anything like that.?

    Cain also said Tuesday on Fox News that he is ?absolutely sure? he didn?t ask the women that were the subject of the POLITICO story to come to his hotel room.

    But the sources describe how the woman recounted her allegations against Cain to two members of the restaurant association?s board ? sources who include an acquaintance of the woman?s and a person who attended the restaurant association meeting at which the woman lodged her complaint.

    The sources say the woman told them Cain invited her to his hotel room at the event, and that both the context and the way Cain phrased the invitation made her feel extremely uncomfortable, even incensed.

    After her complaint, Kilgore ? who is still serving as the association?s legal counsel today ? found out about it and looked into it, according to someone familiar with the association.

    Yet, about 10 association board members serving at the time said they were never told of any investigation ? or even complaints against Cain.

    He resigned as president of the NRA effective June 30, 1999, before his three-year term was up, yet these board members say they were never fully informed as to why. None said they believed his departure had anything to do with the allegations made by the women.

    ?My understanding is that he decided that he did not want to [be CEO] anymore ? whether it was for some kind of personal issue, I did not know what they were,? said Ron Magruder, who chaired the association?s board at the time of Cain?s departure. Magruder told POLITICO he never heard complaints about Cain?s treatment of female employees, adding ?I have no reason to question his ethics or integrity in that.?

    Cain told van Susteren he never had an inappropriate conversation with any female workers in his hotel room, but he also said of the woman, ?I don?t recall having a private conversation with her. But all of the conversations that I had, it could have been. But I don?t recollect.?

    The woman recently told her new employer that an embarrassing story might soon break involving her and a GOP presidential candidate. POLITICO initially reached the woman on the phone about two weeks ago, when she declined to comment, and has not been able to reach her since then.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-pjm-sources-report-details-of-alleged-cain-incident/

    PJM Sources Report Details of Alleged Cain Incident
    Posted By Richard Pollock On November 3, 2011 @ 8:09 am In Uncategorized | 523 Comments

    Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged ?he had taken advantage of me.?

    Both sources claim to be politically conservative.

    One source, a male, told PJ Media:

    Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.

    Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source also said:

    Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.

    The name of the woman ? who was in her early twenties at the time of the alleged incident ? has been confirmed by PJ Media. We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.

    Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time ? mid-1990s ? for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.

    According to the female source, Mr. Cain and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Ciao Baby Cucina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters in downtown Washington, D.C. This was a normal routine, as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry. Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.

    The female source told PJ Media that she witnessed the woman and Herman Cain break away from the large group as part of a smaller group.

    Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain?s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace ?distraught.? ?She was very upset.?

    One source told PJ Media: ?Some people didn?t believe [the accuser]? at the time she made the allegation. The female source recalls the woman continued working at the NRA for several weeks after the encounter; the male source recalls the woman continued working there for a few months.

    Both sources claim that during this period following the incident while the woman was still employed, the NRA?s human resources office held many ?closed door meetings? that included her. The woman?s parents retained legal counsel and arranged an undisclosed financial settlement.

    Today, the NRA is expected to meet [1] with attorney Joel P. Bennett, who represents one of the women who have made claims against Mr. Cain. Bennett has stated he wants the NRA to terminate a confidentiality [2] provision which bars his client from revealing the grounds for the settlement:

    [The NRA] ought to waive the confidentiality and non-disparagement provisions and let the two women, if they choose to do so, come forward and tell their stories so that it can get a complete public airing.

    Mr. Cain has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees at the National Restaurant Association when he was president. He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are ?totally baseless and totally false.? [3]

    (CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.

    The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain?s bed ? the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain?s apartment.

    The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and will necessarily rebound,, as people increasingly pay attention.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is encapsulated by the candidate himself; proud, apparently, of not knowing of “the right of return” and the name of the president of uzbecky-becky-becky-becky-becky-stan-stan,” he blithely ignores the major responsibility of the POTUS [national security].

  • jrmax13

    Doc, let us reverse that and suppose there is an even further drop in Perry’s poll numbers, as people increasingly pay attention.

  • wbf

    http://johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=207

    This links to the article by Ziegler ” Cain 2012 Looks Like Obama 2008, Except With Very Different Outcome”.

    He makes some cynical and incendiary assertions but I can’t help but believe there must be some truth to it.

    How exciting would a Herman Cain Barack Obama match-up be?
    Very. The press would eat it up. It would be good for conservative media too. He maintains that if the election is about Barack Obama, then Obama loses BUT if it is about the other candidate..Herman Cain Obama crushes him.

    I wonder what those of you at Red State think.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Grades

    Herman Cain

    Substance: D. Flip-flopped on auditing the Fed. Wrong about 9-9-9. Has whiffed on enough questions that it?s becoming a problem that can?t be overlooked.

    Demeanor: D. Dismissive. Clumsy articulation and self-contradiction under pressure, and judgmental weakness in current flap. Accusation against Anderson was just dumb, and perseveration [on Hannity, a few hours ago] foolish-flailing. Noticeable ?dry mouth? during difficult questioning.

    Newt Gingrich

    Substance: C. Supports Individual Mandate, thus elitist/statist.

    Demeanor: C. Hides behind “Serious” demeanor, while actually sniping and stridently arguing opposite viewpoints [noted over time, such as stance on Libya invasion]. Unfortunate tendency to accept liberal overtures at face value, to answer questions literally and in too much detail instead of getting at the underlying meaning behind the question, resulting in unnecessary confusion about his positions. Unable/unwilling to discuss personal values-issues [marriages, daubles, etc.]

    Rick Perry

    Substance: A+. Constitutional conservative, as per consistent comments/performance and documented in “Fed Up!” It is irrelevant to wonder “How much of the Texas ?miracle in the recession? is due to his leadership, and how much to a confluence of oil and a favorable tax environment?” because you forget to cite his anti-regulatory/anti-litigation actions. Right about the border. Right about Gardasil. Right about in-state tuition.

    Demeanor: A+. Looks good, usually adult, irreverence will grow on people [e.g., anticipated beer-party with Jon Stewart]. Unobsessed with petty issues, because [as per FNC with Chris Wallace] eager to talk jobs/jobs/jobs. Inarticulate transiently during early debates (but not as bad as GWB and improved during last debate…because he has a well-engrained philosophy, vide supra). Convincing, particularly when right about something. Looks increasingly comfortable in a group setting (debates), and certainly seems fine one-on-one. To some observers at times strays from subject rather than address it; to other observers, eager to discuss facets of a subject that others may have overlooked.

    Mitt Romney

    Substance: D. Still supports Individual Mandate, and pretends [often, even when given chance for revision] to be on the right side of most issues. May not always know what the right side is. Probably excellent on economic issues when divorced from unfortunate tendency to use statist approach to solve some problems. Unknown whether he is be more solid on SoCon issues than with FisCons, and unknown whether he’d be a muscular CiC [noting desire for quick-withdrawal from Afghanistan].

    Demeanor: B. Adult. Smooth. Unflappable, except when confronted with personal foibles [hired illegals, then documented neither retroactive claim that this never recur, nor monitoring of situation after discovery]. Seems up on all issues, inasmuch as he’s been running for 6+ years. Got petty with Perry, and violated protocol by aloofly invading personal-space. Can appear devious, even when he isn?t.

    Advantage: Perry

    Finally,

    Barack Obama

    Substance: F. Empty coat hanger. Not enough there to be called an empty suit. Dangerous.

    Demeanor: A-. Precocious adolescent. Under controlled circumstances, perfect. Outside those controls, not perfect, but those occasions are almost never allowed to take place.

    Advantage: Perry.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …either that, or MM is focusing on OWS-topic in California to segue from prior quotes [until more of the databse emerges].

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …in two ways, First, he notes it’s preferable to enhancing the welfare-rolls and, second, he notes that the major magnet is jobs.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    he is a statist/elitist.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and no one else.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because of the probable coda.

  • wbf

    Ziegler’s article just gave me another perspective on the race from the viewpoint of conservative media, their business and their ratings.

  • onenationundrgod

    should ask this question.
    here is an example:

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/03/iowa-congressman-says-look-at-herman-cains-past-at-whirlpool/boswell/

  • paco12348

    If I could meld 3 candidates together it would be Gingrich, Paul and Cain. Gingrich for knowledge on all points, Paul for the love of America and the Constitution, Cain for personality and business sense. Since we can’t do that I intend to go for Gingrich and I don’t care if he’s been married 20 times. It always makes me angry to hear about his “baggage” but Clinton, as President, who defiled the Oval Office with a cigar and a young, ignorant woman, along with lies, is still revered as a “Statesman”. Bull crap! Clinton has always been a randy billy goat and if he still can, he still is.
    Gingrich can make mince meat of smooth tongued Obama. Gingrich can turn this country around. He know how to work with people, does not talk them down like Obama and won’t whine when he doesn’t get his way, like Obama.
    Don’t dismiss Paul. I hate that one line sentence you always put in about Paul. It’s disrespectful, and we need more people like Paul in Congress. He’s honest. I don’t agree with his military stand but do agree with many other things he says. Frankly, I would wipe the Far East off the map with every bomb in the arsenal and then I’d clean out all the traitors and America haters squatting on American soil.

  • cbfisher64

    sidebar convo …

    RUNNINGMAN:
    each day that goes by, i’m nervous that we’re going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. this election should be a slam dunk

    and we just might blow it by not being able to nominate a compelling and/or electable candidate

    CBFISHER64:
    and u know why?

    RUNNINGMAN:
    hit me

    CBFISHER64:
    because NONE of them is that compelling … and because consolidation isn’t occurring. there is too much dead weight clouding things up. the “other five” just need to sit down. these stupid straw polls giving Paul reason to stick around are just absurd. RS, MB, Paul, JH, and now … HC, need to just sit down. i added HC bec/ i believe the damage is unrecoverable.

    RUNNINGMAN:
    agree agree agree agree

    CBFISHER64:
    i noted with interest that MR is just being “silent” and letting the carnage ensue. we have another McCain situation brewing and we all know how that turned out. there will be some “rush” to pair him with a true conservative and we’ll all have to back that PoS ticket … just to flame BHO

    RUNNINGMAN:
    yep

  • notpropagandized

    Clearly, this is the BEST path. Do it and be done with it.

  • Flagstaff

    I see you’ve picked your favorite.

    I think I’m still more realistic, that is, tuned into reality as it is perceived by an uncommitted observer.

    Maybe I just liked Perry too much in the first place and am therefore too critical of the shortcomings I’ve observed in his behavior.

    What does “scale” mean?

  • sunshinek67

    from your perspective why is there such a scandal amongst some conservatives with Perry and instate tuition, a state issue that was overwhelmingly popular with Texans? How would say, a resident in Iowa hundreds of miles away from a 1,200 mile border, have a clue what we Texans have had to deal with? Tuition is not a magnet, gainful employment is.

  • timkellogg

    I don’t think Cain has handled this well, myself, but I’ve seen every single other candidate look at LEAST as ridiculous on a REAL issue or two, and this is NOT a real issue. I don’t like him blaming Perry’s bunch, but it makes sense to go after Perry, because Perry and Cain split the anti-Romney vote, for the most part…as for Gingrich, I’m sorry, but I can’t understand how ANYONE considers him a viable candidate. The libs and many others have hated him for years, and he’s showed what he really is to conservatives each time he’s pooh-poohed dramatic spending and tax reform in-favor of “modernizing”. He has NO interest in doing anything more serious than “tinkering”, like MOST politicians. That’s why folks like Cain. He doesn’t listen to “it can’t be done”.

    If I believed that more than a tiny percentage of sexual-harassment claims had any legitimate value, which I don’t, I’d still think the story is a total NON-story until there are actual accusations and people making them, which there are not, so far. There are unidentified women making unspecified charges, and the more the media hammers away about it, the more reasonable folks won’t care. Normal folks never care about this stuff. People on opposite sides PRETEND to care when it suits their purpose, but hardly anyone really does care. Even when the charges are REAL and SPECIFIC, and even when they involve perjury, obstruction of justice, etc., folks generally react as they did during Clinton’s impeachment debacle. If anyone here thinks we won in the court of public opinion over THAT incident, I think that person wasn’t paying attention back then. The Republican Party came out of that looking petty and obsessed with sex, and Clinton gained even more popularity out of it.

    Those folks here pronouncing Cain “done” have been doing so all-along, for the most part, and most repeat themselves as-if they think the rest of us will be convinced by constant repetition of “Cain’s a gaffe-machine”, “Cain’s tax-plan will raise taxes on 84% of the people(gotta love ‘em using that Tax Policy Center crap as-if that weren’t a liberal bunch with a liberal agenda…)”, “Cain’s just a shill for Romney”, “Cain said he wouldn’t support Perry (so what?), so I can’t support him”, and on, and on, and on…everything Cain says is “the last straw”, blah-blah-blah…

    As far as Rush vs. Eric on reading the situation and making predictions, I think I just have to lean toward Rush for a lot of reasons, experience being the first and most important. Eric’s been wrong about Cain over and over and over. How many times has Cain been counted-out on here, now? That’s what I thought…

  • sunshinek67

    Rick Perry, take heart ? 4 years ago, the polls were picking Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton for president
    Published on November 5th, 2011
    Written by: Al Weaver

    http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11/rick-perry-take-heart-4-years-ago-the-polls-were-picking-rudy-giuliani-and-hillary-clinton-for-president/

  • wearethevigilant

    Paco12348: I agree with you that there is a lack of respect for Ron Paul amongst some on this sight. Ron Paul could very well amaze us all and win the nomination. My question for more mainline conservatives is would you support Ron Paul if he is the GOP nominee or would some establishment GOPP’rs make a deal with the devil (Obama) to destroy him and quite possibly the conservative movement for years to come? As I have said many times here and other places. If Mitt is the GOP nominee, I leave the party for this race.

  • clintonformccain

    The old geezer is crazier than a hoot owl.

  • Xasteius

    no text.

  • jrmax13

    All Republican supporters deserve to be heard from. Your views on Paul are now less or no more than the next posters. Don’t fall into the trap of leaving a site just because bullies abound.

  • tngal

    On Fox News Sunday, he told Chris Wallace that if they didn’t adhere to his stance on a bunch of stuff he wouldn’t support them. So, your question should be flipped to Dr. Paul. Why won’t you support the winner of the GOP primary whomever that may be. Don’t be upset if the other camps don’t support Paul if he wins. A bunch of Perry people won’t support Cain if he wins. It’s got real nasty this year.

    ______
    “But Paul said that if he’s not the nominee, he’s not certain that he would support the GOP nominee.

    “Probably not unless I get to talk to them and find out what they believe in. But if they believe on expanding the wars, if they don’t believe in looking at the Federal Reserve; if they don’t believe in real cuts, if they don’t believe in deregulation and better tax system, it would defy everything I believe in,” Paul said.
    ______

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/06/paul-dont-want-to-run-as-independent/

  • jrmax13

    even the PerrrPhiles. It will be a hard pill for them to swallow, but I have no doubt that once La Mesias goes back to running Texas – they would do the right thing in the end and vote for the GOP candidate against Obumble.

  • pttx333

    many years and rejected him from the get-go. He hasn’t changed and neither have I. He does have a couple of good ideas, but the rest is like something out of a far-out Star Trek episode.

    My concern is his son, Rand. I have observed lo these many years that not too many acorns fall far from the tree. He can’t be that far off the same track as his father yet was elected in KY. And why Kentucky? Sounds like a family dynasty in the making. I hope that Rand is different, but, at this point, he certainly brings up dings in my radar.

  • jrmax13

    I suppose Ron named his son after Ayn. I have not followed his KY U.S. Senator son much. I believe he was only elected in 2010 ? Help me out here folks if that is incorrect. I do not always have my facts and figures exactly correct exactly every time like the paid political operatives.

  • wearethevigilant

    I was part of one of Jackie Walorski’s grassroots teams last year. We have tremendous depth of conservatives here in Indiana. Both candidates for governor on the GOP side have impressed me so far. Though I think Rep. Mike Pence will likely become governor, Mr Wallace would do just as well. David Mcintosh, of Federalist Society fame, is another individual that could make some difference. If you are looking for some future young guns Indiana has a lot of them. Men and women like Marlin Stutzman, Kristi Risk, and many more are waiting for the right time to step into the fray.

  • sunshinek67

    nt

  • sunshinek67

    finally~

  • tngal

    This is cute:

    Bill Clinton told USA ToOday’s On Poltiics:

    _____________________________

    “It makes my skin crawl when they attack Rick Perry for one of the best things he did,” Clinton says, that is, his support of a Texas law that grants in-state college tuition to illegal immigrants brought to the state as children. ”

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/bill-clinton-rick-perry-presidential-election-/1
    ______________________________

    The good news is we made Clinton’s skin crawl. Wow, Perry’s numbers are sure to shoot up now. Not sure from which side of the aisle but they should skyrocket.

  • gekster

    Broke clocks are right twice a day.
    Even blind squirrels find nuts.
    etc. etc. etc.

  • gekster

    ?What would they like?? Clinton said. ?Would they like the kid to stand on a corner and sell dope or something??
    from:
    http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/bill-clinton-praises-rick-perry-on-immigration-reform-stance/#ixzz1d3tGDVvB

  • sunshinek67

    Just a matter of time before those fickle emotional conservatives looking for Mr. Right to come around. Perry is
    1. more likable and consistent
    2. not laden with lengthy records of ethics violations and personal baggage
    3. not delusional with conspiracies of “retardation” & other campaign “attacks”
    4. no angry conservative white man from a blue state
    5. not a radical politician with unrealistic propositions
    6. sexgate is closed.

    And then there’s the asterisk polling candidate from Utah.

    Team Perry 2012~

  • texasroots

    Nothing wrong with having a heart. Hey, you gotta have heart, all you really need is heart.

  • tngal

    You should really re-think strategy. I think Perry still has a little of the dem blood left in him. That transfusion didn’t take. Aw well, we take ringing endorsements wherever we can find them, eh.

  • gekster

    when a Dem actally comes out and says we should cut the budget,
    cut spending, lower taxes,
    then we should be all in to raising the budget, raise spending, and raise taxes.
    You really don’t think things through, do you.

  • bzip

    Could you please remind me why we should support Cain?

    Even you must realize Cain’s problems:
    Abortion Flap,
    China Weapon Flap,
    GITMO Flap,
    Gun Control Flap,
    Sex Flaps,
    Lying Flaps,
    TARP support
    Fed Audit flap
    No prior record or experience.
    Race Card flap.

    So do please remind me tngal why we should go out and support Cain?

  • tngal

    a tree frog for all I care. I just know who I am supporting.

  • bzip

    You should be able to sell your candidate, try and think about the general election and how you are going to sell your candidate to people.

    Why support Cain? Just give me your reasons if you can? Is that too much to ask, tngal?

  • tngal

    n/t

  • bzip

    Always a good reason – cuz I like him.
    Good thing we aren’t counting on you to sell the republican nominee to the independents :-) , next year.

  • llorta

    nt

  • Scope

    That is supposed to give you any kind of credibility? And then we get again “I like him” for a reason to support Cain? I am seeing a pattern of not only allowing your posts, but encouraging your posts, because you have helped to make Cain look as dumb as his supporters.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I doubled-down on stupid when Cain spoke of banning mosques in Tennessee and yet I still supported him.

    I doubled-down again when 9-9-9 became 9-9-9 + big government picking winners and losers (empowerment zones).

    I couldn’t swallow the abortion flip-floppery, but Cain’s supporters doubled-down on this yet again.

    Then they doubled-down on the sales tax flip-flopping.

    Then they doubled-down about three times on these sex scandals.

    Thats 7 doublings-down, or about 128x down on stupid.

    It’s safe to say a bunch of his supporters are all-in at this point,

  • tngal

    A judge has ruled islam is a religion, and the Islamic Center of murfreesboro owns the land. There’s still some question of whether or not there was enough public notice given before approving the constructino permit. A hearing will be held in April. There are still hard feelings here in TN. Cain received support here because of his view.

    I like 999. My taxes may go up a little, But I’m seeing a lot of people who receive money “under the table”. Be nice if they start contributing for a change. So I’m good with it.

    And this abortion thing you speak of was not a flip flop to me. I’m comfortable with his stance. Obviously you aren’t We disagree. I do see numerous flip flops from Perry. One minute he’s for southern heritage, and the next he’s against the confederate flag on Texas license plates, subsidies for nuclear energy, again flip, one minute he’s for gay marraige the next he isn’t. I don’t care how he feels..just take a stand. And that’s not including no more debates…then maybe 5 more and ….oh yeah Mr. “I’m for less govrnment intrusion” so I think I’ll go along with forcing guardisil stuff on people. And those are only the ones that I remember off the top of my head. I can google up a bunch more if you like. See I know a little something about Perry and what I know I don’t like. To me those are flip flops.. Now, do I need to run down my list of flips that I know about Romney.

    I’m not asking you to vote for Cain. So, please quit asking me to vote for your candidate. I know who my second is if my candidate’s numbers fall down into the low singe digits. Cain may drop some, hard to tell. Right now he’s tops of everyone else or tied with MItt. So he could still lose five points or so in the national’s . Heck even 10 in some of the states and still be in good shape. Iowas still almost two months away.

  • notthenews

    we can only hope that Perry and Romney go DOWN in flames early so we don’t have to deal with them.