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The Horserace for November 10, 2011

There is a difference between being dead and being on life support. Rick Perry is not dead. He has $15 million. He is the Governor of Texas. Donors cannot just ignore him.

But he is on life support after last night. It is entirely recoverable. He’s still got something like 2.72 million more debates to suffer through. But wow. How he responds and recovers will tell us more about the man and his potential than his debate performances.

The Jon Huntsman boomlet is over before it starts. His performance last night at the CNBC debate suggests he has no interest in reaching out to conservatives. Herman Cain did not act like and was not treated as the front runner.

Mitt Romney ran as the nominee, which he will probably be. But there is a potential new frontrunner for the anti-Romney faction and one that could give Romney a run for his money in the debating game, if not the actual money game. His name? “Mr. Speaker.”

We’ll get into it all in the Horserace.

Michele Bachmann

With little money and no new ideas, Michele Bachmann’s time has come and gone I’m afraid. I love her. I like her husband. She’s passionate and fiery, but she is no longer catching on. She didn’t have a debate performance last night worthy of a top tier candidate and is constantly overshadowed these days.

Herman Cain

Herman Cain could be the nominee, but he will not be the nominee.

Herman Cain told us all along that even if he did not have the answers, he would surround himself with the smart people who did have the answers. Not only has his staff given off the impression they’re doing a Keystone Kops routine, but Cain has decided to stick with them. Loyalty is all well and good, but loyalty to this?!

Herman Cain says he is a great manager. A great manager would stop the hemorrhaging of the company by either fixing the product or fixing the team. The product, Herman himself, does not need fixing. The team selling the product needs fixing. If he won’t fix it, he might as well go on and endorse Mitt Romney as he no doubt will eventually.

Herman Cain would make a great President. But he’s not willing to do what it takes and shake up his campaign staff.

Newt Gingrich

Newt Gingrich replaces Herman Cain as the most viable alternative to Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney’s team will now throw every ounce of dirt they can at Newt Gingrich. We will rehash his wives, his fall from grace, his alternative history books, etc.

If he can withstand it — and I don’t know that he can — he could be a compelling alternative to Romney. But there is one problem. Newt Gingrich has a long time history of shooting himself in the foot and knocking others over as he falls. Maybe, just maybe he can withstand the tide of historic cycles in his life.

Jon Huntsman

He was rather insulting last night. He wants to be the President of the 99%? Really? Who the hell thought that was a good line. How about being the President of all Americans instead of the crowd taking dumps on police cars?

Ron Paul

No chance.

Rick Perry

If he wants to recover from his 53 seconds of infamy, something he can do, he needs to be humble, humorous, and have a good next debate.

The odds are growing long against him. The money is coming in at a slower rate. But there is time. It’s just every time something like this happens, Perry plays to the image he’s developed as a bumbling campaigner. He needs to work extra hard to overcome the narrative he himself has written.

It’s funny. Perry and Cain are polar opposites. Cain has a great product, but a team incapable of selling that product at a Presidential level. Perry has a great team and a terrible product. It’s harder to fix the product than the team, particularly when you are the product. But he’s never lost an election. We’ll see if he can keep the trend going. A David Letterman appearance, a Daily Show excursion, and some good natured self-poking could rehabilitate him.

The one thing Perry really has going for him right now is that he is no worse without a teleprompter than Obama (h/t to Christina at the Boortz show):

Mitt Romney

Romney will probably be the nominee. Conservatives will be hurt. His debate performance last night was not as strong as his other performances. He gave some great answers, but he wasn’t nearly as consistent as he has been. And he still cannot answer the individual mandate question well. He just can’t. So Obama will get a free pass on Obamacare when they debate.

Rick Santorum

Who?

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COMMENTS

  • constitutional

    To accept Mitt Romney.

  • campbell2016

    I hope Romney is not the nominee..Like Reagan once said about raising a banner of no pale pastels but bold colors and we not not going to have the bold colors with Romney he is the coke to Obama’s pepsi basically the same thing just branded a little differently

  • heraklios

    If you believe what you say is correct then I hope RedState will take the lead in getting a Conservative Party candidate on the ballot in as many states as possible so we will have someone to vote for. We may lose this time but hopefully our loss will be like the GOP’s loss in 1856 and lead us to bigger and better things next time around.

  • heraklios

    If you believe what you say is correct then I hope RedState will take the lead in getting a Conservative Party candidate on the ballot in as many states as possible so we will have someone to vote for. We may lose this time but hopefully our loss will be like the GOP’s loss in 1856 and lead us to bigger and better things next time around.

  • bzip

    I pretty much agree with your assessment. It really comes down to either Newt or Perry as a anti-Romney candidate. If Perry can get his debates up to par he could be the alternative.

    It is sad in some ways, Perry is truly the only consistent proven conservative with the experience to get this country back on track.

    I can only hope Perry can swing and I can only hope that everyone gives him the benefit of the doubt – he deserve it with the record and experience Perry has.

    We have a lot of debates left, in fact one this Saturday lets see how things go. Personally I am with Perry till the end though.

  • ahedlund84

    Huntsman said that he wanted to be the President of the 99% AND the 1%. He was projecting a message of unity, not a message of siding with the anti-capitalist OWS crowd. In fact, he explicitly denounced their anti-capitalist statements.

    I agree with you that Gingrich is likely to take over the anti-Romney position, and I’m comfortable with that. However, I do wish that people would take a deeper look at Huntsman, because from a substance stand point, he has a conservative economic record and a conservative reform agenda that surpasses those of Perry, Romney, and Cain. Remember, Huntsman is advocating for a much flatter tax system with no loop holes or subsidies and he fully embraces Paul Ryan’s reform proposals.

    I don’t know what his campaign is smoking in terms of their strategy and tone toward conservatives, but it looks like Richard Quinn and other supporters in South Carolina are becoming more vocal to the Huntsman campaign to make their *conservative* bona fides more well known to voters. It’s easy just to blast Huntsman as a RINO or a liberal, but on the merits, those claims are just plain false.

  • heraklios

    but there’s just something about a person who accepts a job for somebody then turns around and tries to take that person’s job. I know this is probably considered run of the mill in politics these days, but something about it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  • dmacc799

    Can we please just all corral around one non-Romney candidate and move on. Otherwise, as Erick mentioned (and rightly so), Obama will get a free pass on Obamacare when he and Romney debate.

  • federalfarmer1

    I think when people look at newts constantly cited baggage, most of it, other than two divorces, is just recycled democratic talking points. He’s already said the couch incident wad one of the dumbest things he’s done.

  • angelatoft

    Perry tweeted: “Really glad I wore my boots 2nite because I stepped in it out there. I did still name 2 agencies to eliminate. Obama has never done that!”

    He’s making the media rounds all day today. He does extremely well with these one-on-one interviews.

    Republican strategist Mary Matalin:

    “The press has over-reacted,” she said in an email. “It?s never the action, it?s the aftermath. He cleaned it up fine this morning. In the real world, people are sympathetic to those kinds of embarrassing moments; the only people who haven?t experienced something like that are people who never talk to anyone but themselves. ( Personally , I have at least two brain freezes per week on TV.)”

    I think we should all be more concerned with SUBTANCE rather than style. Perry has a proven JOBS record – and that’s what most Americans are concerned about.

  • Vaughn Harold

    with no chance in hades of consolidation, I am reminded constantly of why Obama is POTUS and will be for another 4 years.

    “I can’t every vote for that candidate” will be the death cry of the greatest republic in the history of the world.

    Romney is to Morman for me
    Romney is to flip flopy for me
    Cain is to inexperienced for me
    Cain is to flappy for me
    Perry is to unprepared for me
    Perry is to heartful for me
    Newt has to many wives for me
    Newt has to many Dem friends for me

    When was this d*n election supposed to be about me, me, me, I thought it was about we, we, we working together to build a coalition that can beat Obama.

  • angelatoft

    nt

  • MF

    You’re advocating supporting someone other than the final R nominee. That doesn’t fly at RS. You have to live with the idea of “support your favorite candidate in the primary, but support the R in the final election.” That’s policy at RS. No exceptions.

  • ragnard_skjold

    because luckily for him the people do not vote for a candidates staff. Some people have “it”, and some people do not have “it”. Herman has that quality that makes people like him.. He has struck a chord with the majority of Americans who hate the current tax code, and is the only candidate that is running on getting rid of the current tax code. Perry could have been bold and pushed out his 20% flat tax, as THE tax code, not an option. So basically what that portrays to me is, “I want to act as if I want things to be simple, and easy, but I will leave in the current tax code so that those companies and individuals that can game the system can still take advantage, and the politicians in DC will still have a way to buy votes, and reward their donors.”

    Love Newt but it is interesting that 2 weeks ago the Herman naysayers were saying how he would not be the nominee because a) he didn’t have a huge staff, b) he had no ground game in IA, NH, and SC, and c) Perry and Romney had him covered in the war-chest department. Yet does anyone make the same claims against Newt? I’m sure it wasn’t an anti-Herman bias but just an oversight.

    I like Perry, Newt, and Cain. Anyone that is actually watching the Cain debacle understands it is a big nothingburger, but there are those that are still butthurt over the one mistake that Herman made during all of this, which is blaming Perry.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    The last two polls show him at 9% and 7% in Iowa and we all know how the media likes to use Iowa to turn the nomination into a horse race. If Perry is going to have a shot, he needs to comeback hard and fast and I just do not see the path to do that after this last debate. At this point he really needs a complete collapse by either Cain or Romney (plus some good performances) to get back in it.

  • mspector

    The GOP establishment has been resisting Cain from the beginning. Now these folks cannot come up fast enough with reasons Cain will not make it.

    Has Cain made mistakes? Certainly. But a simple question: does anyone actually believe that Mitt Romney can defeat Obama? I don’t. He is smooth, processed and “it’s his turn” this time around, but he’s a loser.

    Like it or not, for whatever flaws he has demonstrated (or whatever flaws the pundits think he has demonstrated) Cain remains the one candidate with the chops to defeat Obama. If Romney gets the nomination it’s 4 more years.

  • hidlins

    If Romney wins the nomination we are in deep you know what! PresBO will win for sure. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME…I hate to think our world will end like this.. I’m in my mid 60′s so I’m nearing the end but my Nephew is only 9. What do you think his life will be like when BO gets done destroying our America!

  • ragnard_skjold

    He has the lead, the money, a bold plan, and the ability to win.

  • bzip

    Thanks much for posting that. Perry is working very hard to clean this up and he is doing very well.

    I really enjoyed and agreed with “Republican strategist Mary Matalin” statements.

    Thanks for the encourage notes.

    Come on folks, lets rally around Perry to defeat Romney then on to defeating Obama

  • cldonley

    for his gaffe? In Erick’s early reaction he said that other than the 53 seconds, Perry had a great performance, yet we’re willing to throw a candidate under the bus for a brainlock when we’ve seen so much good from him. Newt still hasn’t decided on global warming for cryin’ out loud! We conservatives are so adept at burying our own candidates. If we wind up with Romney or Newt, I’m afraid it’ll be a repeat of 2008 and we won’t be able to recognize our country by 2012.

  • angelatoft

    Newt is absolutely brilliant. However, everyone needs to research his voting record. He supported a lot of big-government programs (TARP, NAFTA, Wall Street Bailouts, etc.)

  • heraklios

    If Romney is the nominee then Im done with the GOP. I’ll resign my county chairmanship and not give another dime to the party

  • mkozikowski

    I would however like to see him shorten his answers. Answer to the point, clearly and consisely.

    If someone asks, “Do you know the time?”, you do NOT answer “Yes, it’s 10:30 A.M.”.
    You answer yes.

    He has to answer the questions and no more. Take time to think of what he is going to say, and then say only that.

    It saddens me to see such a promising Conservative implode as he is.
    Perry is still my first choice.

  • bzip

    Cain is the least likely candidate to beat Obama. he can’t stop his walking gaffe machine and sex scandal long enough to even think of Obama. Heck even Romney could do a better job at beating Obama

  • reggie182

    Cain will likely see a drop off in support, and that support will go to Newt Gingrich.

    Right now the top tier of candidates are Gingrich, Romney, and Cain. Barring an unforseen and incredible turn of events, the rest of the field are going to be supported by their hardcore fans only. Their shot at the nomination is effectively over.

    Then it will be Gingrich – Romney.

    That would make for interesting debates, and a very interesting contest overall.

  • reggie182

    Cain will likely see a drop off in support, and that support will go to Newt Gingrich.

    Right now the top tier of candidates are Gingrich, Romney, and Cain. Barring an unforseen and incredible turn of events, the rest of the field are going to be supported by their hardcore fans only. Their shot at the nomination is effectively over.

    Then it will be Gingrich – Romney.

    That would make for interesting debates, and a very interesting contest overall.

  • gator_hoo

    Did we suddenly forget how gaffetastic Cain has been? It wasn’t his staff that ousted a question to Newt, it wasn’t his staff that said he would trade all of the terrorists in GITMO for a single American. Yes, Perry is gaffetastic too, I have come to accept that, and even have a diary explaining my acceptance. But I don’t understand why Cain is a great product, and Perry is a lousy one.

  • sethellis

    It seems to me that one of Erick’s biggest grips with Romney is his refusal this cycle to reach out to conservatives. I think the reason for this is simple. Conservatives would rather destroy Romney to prop up their own preferred candidate. It’s ok to criticize and support someone else, but there is a point where it goes too far.

    Romey has successfully reached out to conservatives in the past, and I think he wants to do so again. We should not pull an Obama and relentlessly attack the people that we need to work with to get this country working again. If Romney becomes inevitable, conservatives need to reach out with genuine support to unify the party. We won’t have much time to do that before we have to focus on the general.

    We can find common ground and support Romney where he is conservative. Conservatism dies only if we continue to be so stubborn. Such antagonistic comments toward Romney only pull us further away from our ultimate goal of fixing America.

  • OCBill

    After last night’s debate, I got an email from the Perry team with the following subject line:

    “So, what agency would you most like to forget?”

    I like that.

  • OCBill

    After last night’s debate, I got an email from the Perry team with the following subject line:

    “So, what agency would you most like to forget?”

    I like that.

  • thirstyboots

    I think that the team is the least of his problems and that a different team wouldn’t change anything.

    But Perry’s team is basically composed of the guys who have always worked with him in Texas. Those guys have never had to go through a competitive election. Texas hasn’t voted for a democrat statewide since the early 90s. Perry didn’t even had to run for an open governor seat. The only time he faced a competitive primary, he was losing to some amateur till the moment she revealed herself as a Truther. It’s not the first time I see Perry’s team being praised here. I have no idea why.

    Plus, don’t people remember many of these guys were the ones who started the campaign with Gingrich? See what happened to Gingrich’s campaign since those guys quit and joined the Perry campaign.

    Perry is a nightmare to work with for a campaign manager except for the fundraising (that will quickly dry up anyway), but I don’t understand what exactly make these guys starts. Lots of unforced errors, like the Social Security debacle, were mostly their fault and they were never able to control the narrative.

  • GR

    Let me remind everyone that the goal is to get rid of Obama! I don’t care if the ultimate nominee is Romney, Perry, Cain, we need to all come together and insure that Obama is not re-elected. Romney is much better even with all of his faults than Obama would be for another 4 years. I hope we can eventually agree to support whomever the “R” nominee is regardless of who it is!

  • congressworksforus

    What you say is mainly correct, but the fact that over 40% of people are still saying they’ll vote for the person who is without a doubt the biggest catastrophic disaster for a President that we’ve ever had, I am not sure any politician can fix this mess.

    We well may need riots in the streets to fix this. Because only then will the rest of the producers, those that are still full of apathy, actually wake the hell up and realize what’s going on.

    And this is why Cain has gotten the traction he has — he’s different and many of us are just seeing all the politicians put forward the same ideas, same solutions, same people, same punditry, same nonsense, same “lecturing” they always do.

    If it actually worked, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in! We need something different, even if the candidate is flawed (aren’t they all???).

    Still not sold on Cain though, although I think both the press conference earlier in the week and his performance last night finally showed an ability to take control of an ugly situation. But that’s why we have this process.

    Why we all expect someone to rise to the top immediately and stay there just boggles the mind sometimes. I suspect we’ll see some changes once more candidates fall off.

    A question though to the “I’ll never vote for Romney” folks.

    If the only one left standing next to Romney at the end is Ron Paul… who you voting for?

    Heh.

  • thirstyboots

    Sorry heraklios.

  • Bill S

    You might want to read this:

    http://www.redstate.com/posting-rules/

    Read the first bullet in the bullet list at the top. This is a conservative AND Republican web site. We don’t do third parties. Active shilling for third parties (which I don’t see you doing – yet) is forbidden.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Elsewhere on RS…
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/09/rick-perry-on-federalism-immigration/#comment-141538
    I discussed the rationale for Rick to hang-it-up.

    I’ll watch him tonight, twice, and I’ll keep trying to see why people are telling me that Cain has “it”; nevertheless, I’ll also remain angry that Mitt is eschewing the TEA Party Movement.

    THEREFORE, it is CLEAR that EE has PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS with three of the candidates: Cain, Perry…and DeMint.

    I would suggest, therefore, that a meeting be convened ASAP to review the events of the past half-year soberly.

    The entire database [including assessment of the behavior of the bloggers/commentators] must be probed.

    These four people should then decide THEN AND THERE that, for the future of AMERICA, they must coalesce behind DeMint.

    The others [Santorum, Bachmann, Johnson, Rohmer] could easily follow, although some [Paul, Gingrich, Huntsman] may choose to resist.

    The MSM/LSM would attack this action as a cabal, particularly if “deals” were leaked regarding any Veep-decision.

    Once people work-backwards from the need to retire BHO, then to avoid BHO-light, and then to settle-upon a true-conservative who could run THIS gauntlet, is there anyone else who could be recruited @ such short-notice?

  • bzip

    You are joking right?

    Cain doesn’t have substance and seems to think that 999 is the answer to everything.

    Besides, between Cain’s gaffes and his sex scandals and lack of any elected office experience he doesn’t stand a chance.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    I will not vote for Mitt if he gets the nomination.

    How many others here say that they refuse to support or vote for Mitt will still do so next November? I bet pretty much all of you.

  • Bruce_A_Frank

    If Romney is selected as the Republican candidate, Conservative Republicans and right leaning independence will not vote for Obama, they will just not vote. . .again! And we will be destroyed by 4 more years of the the true life “Manchurian” candidate who has taken us more than half way to his vision of the Marxist State .

  • bzip

    I think the Cainantics are in a trance again. Just in case they forget;

    Abortion Flap,
    China Weapon Flap,
    GITMO Flap,
    Gun Control Flap,
    Sex Flaps,
    Lying Flaps,
    TARP support
    Fed Audit flap
    New Taxes morphed VAT new national sales tax.
    ?opportunity zones? a form of affirmative action
    No prior record or experience.
    Cain wouldn?t fully support Perry as the nominee
    Race Card flap.
    Foreign policy flaps

    Here is a funny one for you:
    November 5, 2011
    Cain, Block have different explanations for China gaffe
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/04/cain-block-have-different-explanations-for-china-gaffe/

    Cain?s unfunny ?jokes? make it easy to imagine harassment
    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/03/humors-like-crack-for-politicians-addictive-and-dangerous/?odyssey=obinsite

    Herman Cain Screams at Reporter at Right Online
    http://youtu.be/bFa6bz9jpEo

  • proud2btexasmom

    please stop prophecying Romney as our nominee. Not to be preachy here but words do have power.

    Perry 2012!

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    Perry? I’ve always had the feeling that Perry seriously underestimated what it was going to take to run for President; it’s notTexas x 2. Perry needs to do some heavy duty soul-searching and ask himself, Do I Really WANT This? And if the answer is yes, then he needs to retool his brain, his presence, hit the books, and be more forceful and convincing in his answers.

    Cain? I understand his popular appeal and he’s got some great one-liners. No need to apologize for the “Princess Nancy” comment. But he reminds me of the Ross Perot retort when he heard one too many of Clinton’s “I was Governor of Arkansas” boasts, to paraphrase “just because you can run the corner drugstore, doesn’t mean you can run Walmart.” I listened to Cain’s answer yesterday about the European financial crisis. He hasn’t a clue. He’s not the man for the job. Sorry.

    Newt? He’s been around a long time, and if he can keep his eyes on the prize, and give answers to personal and national/global issues the way he responded on Center Seat, he’s got a decent shot. He’s a historian who remembers that people who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Mr. Speaker is the strongest alternative to Romney, but given his quixotic nature, can he close the deal.

    Finally Mitt. I know he sets off alarm bells for many people on this site. I can live with Mitt, flaws and all, because like Newt, he understands the dangers of China to the US, how the financial chaos in Europe can bring us all down, and domestically, understand how the economy works. Perfect dream candidate? Consider the Democrat alternative. No contest.

  • byejoann

    My daughter is trying to get in state tuition to a college. She is working her but off! I told her to go to Texas and say she is not a citizen. No work needed. That is enough to ditch Perry. The rest are career politicians also. Herman Cain is our only hope. Run this country like a business and we can get out of this mess. The Fair Tax will save this great nation!

  • wbf

    I just read on a website that I subscribe to that the trail for who leaked the information on Cain leads back to Newt Gingrich!!

    I have no proof only that person’s word!!!

    That would be surprising!!

  • texasroots

    I. too, have what I call my “senior moments”. Ha! ha!

  • juumanistra

    Seriously. It’s a trilateral trade accord. It’s the type of diplomatic agreement that everyone agrees is within the power of the federal government to conclude, and trade deals of its ilk have been negotiated and ratified for at least two centuries.

    I’m also curious how researching Newt’s voting record would provide perspective on his thoughts on the necessity of TARP and other systemic stabilization outlays to Wall Street in the fall of 2008, given that by then he had been out of Congress for almost a decade.

  • ragnard_skjold

    He’s 25 points in front of your candidate. So when you are talking about “chances”, I like my guys.

    Sex scandals? Bogus.

    and 9-9-9 is the answer to a lot of things. Corrupt politicians for one. Perry could have won me over if his 20% flat tax wasn’t optional. Leaving in the loopholes and the ability for politicians to award and penalize businesses and individuals is a loser.

  • notpropagandized

    If Herman Cain endorses Romney, then he will have justified his loss of support. He’s better off not endorsing anyone and keeping his mouth shut about his Romney preference.

  • Bruce_A_Frank

    “But I don?t understand why Cain is a great product, and Perry is a lousy one.”

    Then you have not been paying attention to their position statements of such things as illegal immigration and global warming, two corner stones in the active destruction of the US of A.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    You’re scattering all your thoughts on mulitple thread, and people can’t follow.

    If you put them together, then people can properly evaluate and critique your positions.

    It will also give you a chance to step back and take some deep breaths, and perhaps let the rubble settle more from last night.

    A diary is the RedState Way.

  • snowshooze

    Romney…consistant???
    It is in egregious error that Romney and Consistent might ever be printed on the same page without the flipflop qualifier…
    Romney, consistently flip-flopping…

  • notpropagandized

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html

  • thirstyboots

    Isn’t she part of the “establishment political consultancy class in DC” that we should hate? To me she epitomizes that. A national talking head, a political consultant, a very establishment type. A harcore Bushie too, she worked for both of them.

  • snowshooze

    Romney…you could never be sure.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    but I don’t do parties period – even if I do typically vote Republican.

    I talk about third parties often, and though I’m partial to one, I don’t shill for any, because, I don’t “do” parties.

    Every election is supposedly “Teh most important election of our lives!” In a sense, yes, and sure, elections matter and have consequences.

    But at the end of the day, my principles, convictions and values are far more important to me than loyalty to a party, as if a particular party or politician from such a party is going to make everything better.

    It seems that people place pragmatism before principle when it comes to their elected officials, and that makes me wonder…

    If you shelve your principles in favor of pragmatism, does that still make you a principled conservative, and more importantly, if you consider yourself a Christian, where’s the consistency of your supposed principles which should flow from your faith, not the other way around.

    Saying stuff like this gets me in hot water. I realize full well what this site is about, but I do think people here should also hear some rational discussion about walking your talk.

    I cannot bring myself to knowingly vote for a “lesser of two evils”. I did that in 08 and felt sick to my stomach. I will not do that again.

    Pragmatism does have its place. If anyone other than Romney won the nomination, I’d vote for them. But at some point you have to draw a line in the sand.

    Your principles have to stand for something, otherwise you’re really just a pragmatist.

  • notpropagandized

    We have become a celebrity and public-performance oriented culure and that has multiplied the importance and impression made by debates. So Perry is thus disadvantaged since Cain can speak on on his feet in front of lights cameras and big audience. His gaffes in the retail campaigning don’t matter as much. Flip side for Perry, however…

  • federalfarmer1

    Stating refusal to support Cain or romney in the general? Those are the same as votes for third parties. I believe even a moderator here said Cain wouldn’t get his vote in the general. Come on people. Is even vote buddy roemer if he was the gop nominee. None of these guys are worse than Obama.

  • OCBill

    Your daughter would need to prove residency. The “not a citizen” thing wouldn’t do the trick.

    For what it’s worth, this policy was not imposed by Executive Order, it was implemented after near-unanimous support in the Texas legislature (all but five of the Texas’ 181 legislators voted for the tuition legislation).

  • msjallen

    Mr. Speaker gives Mitt a run for his money. I also hope Rick Perry recovers as well as Cain. They are my three hopefuls. They all have something I like about their politics and beliefs. Only God knows the outcome. Pray.

  • Menlo

    I’d say that was quite large.

  • tailfins1959

    With Obama we stand in a dung heap. I would prefer a chance at our nation gets off the dung heap. ANY of the candidates on that stage gives us a chance.

  • federalfarmer1

    The effect is exactly the same. Both should be out of bounds.

  • windwaker24

    You are correct about a Romney nomination. He is a non-starter for me, but I will go out and vote, even if that means writing in someone.

  • ragnard_skjold

    I looked under the help section and it says How do I add a diary?
    You must log in to create a user diary. Once logged in, click the ?Create New
    Diary Entry? link under the masthead.

    I’m logged in, but I dont see the “create New Diary Entry” anywhere.

    Also when I try to “edit” my profile. I get a You attempted to access the “RedState” dashboard, but you do not currently have privileges on this site. If you believe you should be able to access the “RedState” dashboard, please contact your network administrator.

    ANy idea?

  • jakeofalltrades

    With Barack Obama, yeah, we know where we stand, which happens to be 6 feet past the cliff’s edge and accelerating toward the ground at 20MPH/second.

    Pitted against the Chance card, I’ll take Chance card. And I despise Flip-Flop McRomneycare.

  • Scope

    with Meghan Kelly on FOX. She was very fair, and Perry showed that he is human. He came on laughing at his own bad mistake, and said that everyone of us has forgotten something at an important time. He was very humble and very “likable.” Then he got right back on his tax and jobs message. He’ll recover. Those that are predicting his demise were on someone else’s bandwagon already anyway. Larry Sabato is a Democrat, and I don’t expect much from him. Sabato did get a new rug though.

  • windwaker24

    My mom told me that last night when I went in her room crying about Perry. She told me to just support him wholeheartedly or not at all. You moms… :)

  • federalfarmer1

    He took ten percent of his time trying to remember which federal agency he wanted to cut. You can’t sugarcoat it. The guy is a lightweight.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The two viable arguments for not voting for Romney in the general are:

    1. Romney’s election would destroy conservatism, and without conservatism the country cannot be saved.

    OR

    2. I am a pro-life voter and will never vote for anyone who has been pro-choice, because life trumps all other considerations.

    I will vote for Romney if he is nominated, but I have nothing but deep respect for people who won’t vote for him because of the above two reasons.

  • msjallen

    to vote for Mitt. I don’t trust him nor do I like him. How can We the People get through to the GOP that we DO NOT want Mitt as the nominee?
    PLEASE do not waste your vote by giving it to 0.
    Pray for your country and its leaders…
    I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because the thrust of your comment is that Romney has been spurned.

    The Candidate should REACH-OUT. He certainly shouldn’t refuse to attend a debate sponsored by Tea Party Patriots [11/28/2011]. No, he has decided that it’s “politic” to remain @ arm’s length, pending blowback that could occur in the fall.

    He sacrifices the energy and forthrightness of the base, in the process; we will need a veritable ARMY to ID/GOTV our voters, and too many people could take a pass [despite the tremendous implications that RS-readers appreciate].

    You advise capitulation to a person who supports ethanol, the individual-mandate, Afghanistan-withdrawal, etc. [And, don't forget that he didn't MONITOR his lawnscaper to ensure no Illegals would be re-hired "because I'm running for office!"]

    Even if the POTUS-candidates are all egocentric [nature of beast, etc.], the crass aloofness demonstrated by the Mitt-ster is off-putting, and this is why I have argued aggressively for a draft-DeMint effort to be initiated ASAP.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    If so, the headings should read

    Recent Posts My Profile My Diary Create New Diary Entry Log out

    If you can’t log in or still can’t figure get access, then e-mail Neil Stevens

    neil@redstate.com

  • retire05

    instead of us Texas taxpayers.

    Or, as an alternative, you could move to Texas for 12 contiguous months and your daughter would be eligible for in-state tuition in Texas, no 3 year residence required, no graduation from a Texas high school requirement. But she will have to have graduated in the top 10% of her class.

  • federalfarmer1

    Or space aliens!

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Conservative in he primary.
    Republican in the general.

  • paulplantowin

    My main consolation is how often EE is wrong. I guess not all words have equal power :-)
    I’m new to activism – and have listened to EE’s horseraces on WSB and read them here.
    He is very knowledgeable and experienced. That seems to be a bit of a handicap in this primary race.
    People w/most experience seem least able to GET the anti-politician energy out here.
    PS – I wonder what a poll of likely Black voters would show re: the Cain roast attempt by the usual suspects.
    I guess no-one cares all that much – but I bet they sympathize w/ Cain.
    Not Romney please.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Agreed.

    We need to get over ourselves or America will never get over Obama.

    I’d prefer Newt right now, but will gladly vote for any of the 8 to 10 current GOP candidates over Obama.

  • wbf

    The post I read was Nov. 4th. I only saw it today. It was written by a Perry supporter.
    They had a team trying to trace the leaker and they thought it was Gingrich.

    Whoever did leak it…did opposition research. The sexual harassment
    settlements were on record.

    We may never know.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Whether he wins the nomination or not. He will get much less turnout than the war hero we ran last time.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Maybe this is progress.

  • wbf

    It may have been!!

  • hermas42

    can’t win against Obama, and neither can Cain and Newt.

    Newt is the smartest one in the bunch, however he has way too much personal baggage and history.

    Romney does not have a core. Who knows what the man stands for. No one knows. Conservatives won’t vote for him. Hispanics won’t either.

    Cain who I used to support (temporary insanity on my part) turned out to be a smooth talking, empty suit, sleazeball motivational speaker. On second thought he really is one. Hispanics won’t vote for him. As a matter of fact, the only ones who probably will vote for him are crazed Republican Kool-Aid drinkers. K, you can start yelling at me now. It’s OK, but you know I’m right.

    Perry, who I will support to the end, is not going to win the Republican nomination. Too many mountains to climb, and I am not talking about debate performance. Yeah, I know he is an atrocious debater, always has been. So what? That is merely a convenient excuse. It does not matter what the man does or what he has accomplished, the left wing media, the right wing media (FOX), the right wing elitists pundits, Karl Rove and the Bush machine, the trial lawyers, the unions will all try to stop him. They all go out of their way to present every little and big misstep in the worst possible light to make him look incompetent. From day one they have called him unelectable. However, he is only one who has a successful record on job creation, fiscal responsibility and border security. He is the only one who can get the Hispanic vote. He could have beaten Obama. But he will not be the nominee.

    The nominee will be Romney or Cain, and neither one will beat Obama.

    How depressing.

  • romansdaughter

    Can someone please explain to me how a supposedly conservative candidate that Tea Party is pushing would be endorsing Mitt?? There is something not right there?? Who said that Cain was helping Romney out?? There might be something there.

  • unclefred

    He is more viable than Perry. It is also easier to reboot your staff (to quote Eric’s earlier post) that to reboot an image that you have cemented in the minds of millions of voters.

    In my view Cain’s confrontation of what ever more seem false accusation has demonstrated the toughness required to succeed. Now he must demonstrate the executive competence that we would expect and fix his staffing issues. If he fails to do this, then he will not and should not be the nominee. I expect and hope he will do so.

    If Perry had made his latest blunder at 25%, he’d be almost immediately recoverable. He is at single digits, the not Romney not Cain vote is moving to Gingrich. It’s worth noting that when Cain hit heavy water, none of the support he lost went to Perry. Despite his war chest Perry has little time to stem the bleeding, before people start locking in on other candidates.

    It is almost amusing that all the efforts to make Iowa less important through primary jockeying, have only served to make it more so this time around.

  • jakeofalltrades

    He’s trying to tick off conservatives so that we will support the defeat of Romney. It’s not a self-fulfilling prophecy; it’s reverse psychology.

    I would do the same thing.

    We need to consolidate. It has always been Perry, whose sole blemish is providing in-state tuition to long-time Texas taxpayers and residents in accordance with the terms of the Declaration of Independence, and for having about a half-dozen gaffes in as many debates.

  • avagreen

    What rock have you been living under?

    And, what flavor of kool-aide have you been sipping?

  • mizzoumark

    …..you’ve already told us that Mitt Romney WILL win the nomination because there’s no one really to challenge him, and furthermore, that Obama will defeat Romney, and conservatism will be dead.

    So, honestly, why do you continue to write these “horserace” blogs, if the primary (and general, apparently) are already decided and over?? And if conservatism will really be dead, then why even blog at all?

    Just wondering.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …but i’ll explore your idea.

    Candidly, i don’t perceive myself as having “legs” to pursue this consistently but, noting that i’ve been reading/typing for 12-hours straight, perhaps this is indicated.

  • avagreen

    that Adams’ apple.

    What a dope!

  • ThePoliticalHat

    I wonder how common this problem is.

  • MF

    so I can’t ban. And we all certainly understand your frustration with the direction things seem to be turning. I don’t like Romney at all either. All I’m saying is RS policy is that one cannot advocate support for a third party in the general election.

    BTW, might I suggest that you still retain your chairmanship? Even if you didn’t vote for the R in the general, you can still have great influence on your local elections, and also to try to prevent debacles like Romney from happening in the future.

  • Finrod

    Bet you won’t see this story leading any MSM newscasts:

    ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -

    Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

    CBS Atlanta’s Mike Paluska played Cain’s speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain’s every word.

    “If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here,” said Ward. “He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of.”

    The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read “low risk.” According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

    During the section of Bialek’s news conference where she says, “He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch.”

    During the analysis of that section the software said “high risk statement.” Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

    “I don’t think she is fabricating her meetings,” said Ward. “But, she is fabricating what transpired.”

  • proud2btexasmom

    why didn’t I see that?! Geez, I use it on my kids all the time. Ok Erick, we will keep your secret. SHHHHHH.

  • tyman

    And he singled Perry out – a conservative, yet – as the only one he couldn’t support.

    And Romney has said that if you vote for him or Herman the country would be okay.

  • izoneguy
  • MF

    and you can see that Ross Perot had a very positive effect on the elections – cost GHWB the 1992 election and gave it to Slick Willy, yet absolutely nothing gained going forward. Third parties may work locally, but they don’t fly nationally and simply aren’t going to in the future. Far too much money tied into national politics for them to allow it to work.

  • unclefred

    The economy does a 180 and starts growing at about 6%
    or we nominate Ron Paul (sorry pualbots)
    or once we have a nominee we refuse to unite behind him.

    Obama’s mismanagement ensures that the economy can’t recover, and Paul has no shot at the nomination, so it is the last one that we need to worry about. As has been said elsewhere, it is fine to support your candidate to the bitter end in the primary. Once we get a nominee we must set hard feelings aside and work to elect him.

    Yes Yes I know all the objections. I’ve read all the statements that there is no difference between x and Obama. Look back at the last 3 years and do a reality check. Anyone on last night’s debate stage would be far better than Obama. More importantly we cannot give him another four years to lock in the damage he has already done.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because he wants to share his insights.

    His turns-of-phrase are delicious, even if the message is discomfiting.

    BUT, recalling what I wrote earlier, he may be able to play a larger role, here.

    He knows Rick, Herman and Jim.

    DeMint would predictably act as the true-conservative, contemplative and forthright, courageous and resourceful.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    But I do not see it as a waste or “giving” to him if I don’t vote for the Republican candidate.

    I vote for the individual candidate, not the party – at least that’s what I’ve always tried to do.

    I do tend to vote Republican, but there have been times from the national to local level that I’ve voted for third parties or even, gasp, Democrats.

    I refuse to accept the A/B paradigm, even though it’s still “the way things are.” I refuse to vote for a lesser of two evils again – if I can help it.

    This race is no longer in the hands of the GOP. This race is in the hands of the candidates and the people who will be going to the polls next year.

  • Michael_Handley

    He keeps gaining in the polls due to his grasp of the issues and the fact that he is the best debater on the stage. I for one would love to watch him debate Obama on the big stage. Don’t be so quick to count him out. We have a way to go and he is positioning himself well…. As the others crash and burn he looks better all the time…

  • avagreen

    his insiders have said the leak came from one off the former board members of Cain who did not want the board to back Cain.

    I’ve posted this before, even giving a link that would back this up……right chere:

    Information about the incidents was apparently closely held, even among association board members. But one woman?s complaint apparently did make its way to at least some figures on the governing board when, at an association event, one board member got word that a female employee had complained about Cain?s advances, according to a source who was at the event.

    The source said the board member asked the woman directly about the episode and was told that Cain had invited her up to his suite at a prior association event.

    hamptonroads.com/2011/10/politico-two-women-accused-cain-inappropriate-behaviorhttp://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html

    I THINK I’M BLUE IN THE FACE. :/

    Don’t any of you guys listen to EE?

  • snowshooze

    After that, there will be so much pent up pressure… he would probably explode in a flip-flopping fit.

  • tyman

    I’m going to support Perry until the end!

    I think Perry is the only one who can rally the evangelical vote. I’ve said it time and time again: it’s why McCain didn’t win…because he couldn’t inspire them.

    Perry had a good debate except for that one moment.

    I believe he’s going to really inspire people at campaign rallies, etc. as it gets closer to voting time.

  • pttx333

    Tell your Mom that a lady on Red States says she is very wise to counsel her child and to guide that child in the absolutely correct way to go! GOOD, VERY! Translated in Texas talk it boils down to “whole hog or nothing.” LOL And I’m sure you feel much better, particularly after coming back on here. Hon, we are all rallying around the flag pole, Perry is out all over the airwaves going great guns, the sun is shining and we’re gonna do it! It is going to be a tough, tough year for all of us, but we can make – lots of bumps along the way, but stay steady on the course and KEEP THE FAITH!

    You’ve chosen a mighty fine man to be out next President! I’m a personal witness to what he is as a person, a Governor with a fantastic record who will not lead us astray, and when he is wrong, he will man-up and say so! How’s that? Feel better?

  • anxious4change

    And I won’t be holding my nose, either. I will GLADLY vote for any of our candidates over Obama. Last night they all showed they are much better equipped to lead this country than Obama could ever be.

  • davesinsanantonio

    is that we still have to live “in the world”. Obummer can do more damage in 4 more years than a Conservative Party could fix if they controlled all branches of government for twenty. Just look at the damage he has already accomplished. Then look at all the potential, some of it hidden, damage that he has quietly put into place. Things such as his secret executive orders. His promoting of leftist bureaucrats (yes, I know he doesn’t do the promoting of bureaucrats directly, but his political appointees do, and that is what I mean by “hidden” damage). His appointment of leftist federal judges at all levels (who cannot be gotten rid of except for “high crimes and misdemeanors”–no matter how truly terrible their rulings from the bench are). And you want to give him four more years!!!??? Just to spite the rest of the Republicans who didn’t nominate someone “worthy” of your selfish vote???

    Here is the bottom line– if any of us go third party, or just stay home, or–Heaven forbid!–vote for Obummer for spite, then it is WE who are actually destroying this country, because we are using our franchise to do just that. NO MATTER how bad our nominee is, he/she will be miles better than the current criminal marxist hater of America we have now!!! So, get over yourselves and support whoever the nominee is. Don’t just hold your nose and vote, although that is vitally important, but get others to hold their noses and vote too!!! Otherwise, the destruction of America will be YOUR fault, no matter how pure your ideology is!

  • tyman

    I don’t think it was a Democrat. It’s WAY too early.

    I think if Axelrod had this, he would have saved it until Cain became the nominee.

    And I don’t like Ann Coulter either. I think she’s played a conservative to sell books.

    Would it be Andrew Coulter?

  • windwaker24

    What I don’t understand is why doesn’t the GOP see it? The Democrats are itching in their seats for Romney or Cain to get the nomination. My family, with the exception of me and my mother, are Democrats. Mention the Romney or Cain, you get ease and laughter. Mention Perry, they go into Linda Blair territory.

  • anxious4change

    Perry’s response today to his “stepping in it” last night to be totally endearing. He is handling this with ease. The more the MSM wants to make an issue of it, the more petty and small they look. Perry stands miles above them.

    Last night after watching the debate I felt totally confident that no matter who ends up being our nominee, I am going to breath a huge sigh of relief when he/she becomes our next president.

  • jgge

    I support the man with the best record and that is Perry who has the best record by far. I am not going to leave him because of bad debate performances. Presidents do not do 30 seconds sound bites and 3 seconds zingers when they govern.
    I will only vote for President if Perry or Gingrich is the nominee. Everyone else is not qualified to be President and I will not vote for them.

  • notpropagandized

    If reading your questions accurately:

    Cain was a big supporter of Romney in 2008. This time around, Cain has made VERY clear in his negative statements about and regard for Perry that he could and would support Romney and could be his VP. This was in the wake of the insensitive, hunting-lease, painted rock issue. It started a support loss for Herman even while his support was building.

    Here’s first example found in quickie web search:
    http://griffinelection.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/herman-cain-is-running-with-romney-for-his-vp-spot/
    “Recently, in attacking Rick Perry, Cain stated that Perry was someone that Cain could not ?100% support?, but that Romney was someone to be supported.”

    The TeaParty support for HermanCain should be taking this relationship seriously. Many are tired of my repeated “stalking house” and “shill” posts about Herman in relation to Romney. As a Cain supporter, it has only been hope that it ain’t so.

    My gaze shifted back to Perry and reluctantly to Newt as our last ditch saviour. Even Huntsman would be preferable to Romney, but as Erick is saying, we’ll likely be voting for Romney next Nov.

  • pttx333

    somewhere! I heard James Carville, yes THAT guy that I never agree with – but he said one thing that I could be agree with 150% – he called Romney a “serial windsock” and I was dying from laughing so hard when another yoyo on the show said “What’s a windsock?” and that set me off even more! Hate to give the buzzard any credit for that, but he actually said it.

    Thanks for my LOL of the afternoon!

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    So you’re not going to vote for Mitt Romney if he’s the nominee? Lovely. “What do you think his life will be like when BO gets done destroying America!” I may not like Mitt Romney, I may not fully trust Mitt Romney, but I’ll be damned if I’ll let Obama win without putting up a fight for every last vote out there for the alternative, even if that is Romney.

  • snowshooze

    To think I would ever consider supporting him.
    If they get the chance, they will nominate him.
    Again, I point out the self-interest of the establishment bureaucracy… they want to keep all their money for new buildings, shiney cars, prettier secretaries, and Romney has a good pile of his own money to burn. So he is a cheaper candidate to support.
    Remember McPalin.
    So I say DO NOT encourage them to do it again.
    If it come to it.. I would throw up and vote for the dog on the roof guy. But his dog would probably bite me for it. And his dog is probably better qualified.

  • esquip17

    I am increasingly dismayed at the lack of vitality of this site’s commentary. It should be our goal to promote conservative thought and not a partisan defense of governer Rick Perry. Mitt Romney is not only an articulate and dynamic defender of market forces and individual liberty, he is the single best hope to defeat Obama. I think it is shameful the degree to which so many voices in this forum are aiding the MSM in undermining the guy who is the most likely to be our candidate. I am tired of hearing how Romney is not a conservative. Has no one been listening to the debates? Romney is exactly the kind of candidate we need. Perry is not my favorite candidate but I would never participate in the kind of divisive attacks I have read here lately. He’s a hero of individual liberty but for many reasons, he is a weak candidate. If he wins the nomination, I will do everything to get him elected. Enough of this nonsense about Massachusetts health care! The individual mandate is a market based mitigation on universal health care that serves the purposes of that state. It is nothing like Obamacare. You say he has flipped flopped on abortion? Good for him, it’s not that simple. Who among us has not undergone evolution on our views? Enough of the attacks on Republicans!

  • davesinsanantonio

    four more years of Obummer and company will “wake up America”. We don’t have four more years left if we don’t get them out of office now. The damage will be irreparable!!! Don’t kid yourself that this election is just like any other. It is not! The destroyers are in place. Look how they support the occupiers of our cites. Look how they refuse to prosecute voter fraud or voter intimidation. Look how they are throwing away our Defense assets, and working to dismantle it through the Super Committee. Look how they have crippled our energy industry, and are trying to make it worse. Look what they have done to our economy, and our dollar. We have to get rid of then NOW!!! We can’t wait for America to wake up! We are the ones who are awake. It is OUR responsibility to save this country NOW, not when the rest of America finally wakes up. It will be too late by then!

  • notpropagandized

    Lord, forgive us, have mercy upon us. Show us how our wisdom is foolishness compared to your plan and your will be done… amen.

  • mizzoumark

    Where is DeMint coming from in all of this? He isn’t running, although I wish he would.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …I still would LOVE to watch Rick @ Press Conferences, conducting a muscular foreign policy, etc.

    I just fear he would be squashed by BHO among Indies.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because one of the RS-rules is that we ultimately support the GOP-nominee.

  • clarkeusmc

    I do not understand why so many media and blog pundits don’t get it. Romney ain’t going anywhere. We will pick a conservative not a squish, a RINO or a Bush and certainly NOT a ROCKEFELLAR check pants Republican.

  • snowshooze

    He is 20 times smarter than Obama, has some guts and isn’t afraid to speak his mind.
    Quite recently in the gulf spill he came out kicking Barry’s tail.
    If I were a Democrat.. I’d vote Carville.
    Yeah, he can be really funny and right on point.
    When he isn’t foaming.

  • esquip17

    You folks who refuse to support Romney or whoever is the GOP nominee is disappointing. I hope you are ready for more of this wrong-headed Socialism.. If this is the case, Red State is doing more harm than good for conservatism.

  • arcangel

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are ignorant to the facts, and not intentionally misleading.

    For your daughter to receive in-state tuition in Texas as an illegal, she needs to live there for 3years and graduate from a Texas high school.

    As a U.S. citizen she only needs to live there for a year.

    I would recommend the second option.

  • notpropagandized

    Check this out in case you haven’t seen yet:
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html

  • snowshooze

    100% agreement.
    Keep working on that list…don’t forget the dog.

  • jakeofalltrades

    n/sequitur

  • septembergurl

    me by surprise. I was sure he was moving to Gingrich.

    So:

    Bachmann: Sadly Erick’s take is correct. She had a good debate last night and showed her strengths, but it will not move the needle.

    Cain: Though he retains support among Republicans and still does well in state polls of primary voters, he is losing nationally. By that I mean that two weeks ago Herb was the only Rep besides Romney who led Obama in Rasmussen’s head-to-head poll of LVs. Today? Obama 48, Cain 37. He trails by 11, meaning he is officially no longer in my top tier. The internals show he is losing women badly, where previously he had no gender gap. Worse, his support among independents has dropped by 25 points.

    He is getting more scrutiny now and his debate performance was mediocre. He completely failed to answer the question on Italy, and is showing himself (now that the showmanship is getting tattered and the genial mask is slipping) to be a one issue candidate. He is a talented salesman, and as Erick points out the product he is selling is himself. At some point people start to look at the quality of the product, which in this case, like the fast food and tax plan he peddles,is mediocre at best.

    mark Block is not the problem. He is a symptom of the problem.

    Gingrich: I have seen a poll (PPP) for Ohio where Newt is running second to Cain, one point ahead of Romney. It would not surprise me if he were in the top three by the time the voting starts. Still, he has his problems: the baggage. His inability raise money. His very mixed record. I’m not at all convinced he has the required managerial and executive skills to be President. He basically runs Newt, Inc, a one man band. Still I am looking forward to his campaign, now he is in the top tier.

    Huntsman: So, Erick, I’m guessing the anathema against Huntsman is back on? That was quick. In these debates, as in interviews and speeches, Huntsman is portraying himself as more moderate than his record shows he is. That’s his strategy. So he does not reach out to conservatives much. Or at all, really. The question is, is it a good strategy and is he executing it well? I would say yes and maybe. He pulled a Pawlenty in the debate, calling out Romney but then taking it back when he was asked to be specific. I assume he will step up the attacks when the time seems right.

    Shorter Huntsman: I’m all that stands between you and Romney!

    Paul: I thought he had his best debate. Some of his observations are just stunning in their clarity and force — on debt and student loans, for example. Then he goes back to being crazy old Uncle Ron.

    Perry: Damage control: Perry:”Hey I’m like a lot of Americans! I’m stupid”. Might work…I guess.

    Romney: Continues to move the ball imperceptibly down the field while keeping unforced errors to a minimum. Is that a winning campaign? I am skeptical.

    Santorum: manages to be annoying while also failing to register in any serious way.

    There’s another debate this week, and the foreign policy debate next week. Should be interesting.

  • iddavis

    as conservatives, we will never recover. It’s a vicious cycle….we knew McCain was a RINO, yet we “had no choice”…guess what?? He lost as we predicted! Are you folks telling me that we are ready to do that all over again!!?? Hell NO! We must be true to the conservative principles if we ever want to turn this country around. We need to support all the conservatives running for congress….we can take over the house and senate if we focus on that primarily…and if we are fortunate not to have the RINO as our candidate, we will do our best, whatever it takes, to get the conservative GOP candidate elected…and I do believe ANYONE OTHER THAN Romney will get it done. I’m a Rick Perry supporter…..there’s no one else I would even consider backing. However, I will vote for any of the other candidates (other than the RINO/flip-flopper loser) and be happy to do so. PERRY IS A WINNER…………and I don’t think he’ll let these turkeys get him down………..cream always rises, and I’m confident his best days are in front of him and he won’t disappoint! PERRY 2012!

  • macphisto96

    Because if Romney is the nominee then it’s one or the other. Abstaining to vote for Romney is just as good as an Obama vote.

    I can tell a lot of the bloggers here are not Romney supporters, but I guarantee you that even Erickson will pull the lever for Romney if he’s the nominee.

    If you don’t like Romney and he is the nominee, I would recommend working on filling up Congress with good conservative GOPers that can hold him in check (not that I think he needs to be held in check).

    But any conservative that thinks four more years of Obama is better than four years of Romney is off his rocker and too much of an ideologue in my opinion.

    You vote for who’s running and between Romney and Obama, the choice would be clear.

    And if Romney proves to not be to your liking as President, you work to find a competent candidate and try to primary him in four years.

  • davesinsanantonio

    was a lightweight. If you look at his record of running the second biggest state for ten years, you will know he is not a lightweight.

    But, you seem like a person who won’t let facts get in the way of his prejudices. So, go ahead and hate if if you must.

  • pttx333

    were conservative Democrats, which most of Texas was at the time, but Democrats were very different back then. However, it was my first time to vote (age 21 at the time) and there was no way I was going to vote for Lyndon Baines Johnson, very liberal and sleazy Democrat, so I made my announcement that I was going to vote for Goldwater, a conservative Republican and good man. They were shocked and didn’t understand, but I had the good fortune to not be belittled or laughed at. My parents died still believing Dems were the good guys for the little man even though they were conservative. I never could figure that out. Anyway, we just didn’t really discuss politics so everything was fine. I have remained a conservative first and foremost and in today’s world that translates to Republican.

    You are on a very good website to do your research and talk to others. It is wonderful! You will make the right decision in the end. Just read and think about it.

  • davesinsanantonio

    An old Air Force descriptor of some officers I served with.

  • macphisto96

    A Conservative Party is not winning national elections, not with a Republican on the ticket.

    And if you think Romney and Obama are the same then you know very little about Romney.

    I think so many conservatives would rather be martyrs than win. You couldn’t get anyone competent to run this cycle. Palin didn’t want to jump in. Christie didn’t (and he’s very similar to Romney, IMHO). Jeb Bush is staying away. And those who are running are flaming out.

    Everyone championed Romney as the real conservative alternative to McCain back in 2008 and now all the conservatives are fleeing and flip flopping on him.

  • jgge

    He is by far the least qualified to be President among all the candidates. The man has zero record in governing, has never enacted a single public policy, has never voted on a single issue. He touts his experience as an ex-CEO of a mediocre Pizza company. Pizza company, are you serious? What is the most difficult decision a Pizza CEO takes? close or open a Pizza store here and there? increase or decrease the price of Pizza? Fire or hire minimum wage employees? How the hell this qualifies him to become the most powerful man in the world whose decision will not only affect all Americans but in many cases the entire world.
    Stop your joke folks, the Cain joke.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I will vote for the nominee, and, other than for Romney, I will vote with a very wide smile and a deep breath to savor the fragrance.

    All non-Romney candidates are almost impeccably conservative. We probably haven’t ever had a field this good.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …to my anxiety.

    Whenever my preferred-candidate provokes this response ["Perry: Damage control: Perry:?Hey I?m like a lot of Americans! I?m stupid?. Might work?I guess."], all i want to do is run in the other direction. This is the type of argument that has been used in the past for people such as Cain, and it smacks of “reaching for straws.”

  • davesinsanantonio

    was uncomfortable in a crowd, and very stiff. Jefferson often appeared haughty and sometimes “talked down” to people. Madison was short and just rubbed people the wrong way. Lincoln was homely and had a high squeaky voice.

    None of them could survive in today’s political arena. And yet, we would never have survived as a nation without them.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Talk about reaching.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    My faith and my principles mean far more to me than this nation or the Republican party.

    I sometimes wonder if we don’t get the presidents we deserve. Clinton and Obama come to mind. I do not think we have reached rock bottom yet as a nation, and I do not think we will be able to properly climb up again until we have reached that bottom.

    I stand on my faith and my convictions, not some party or pragmatism or the belief that Obama or any Democrat must be stopped at all costs, even to the equivocation of personal principles.

    God, Family, Country, in that order. Too many people are putting country first in line because they’re scared of the boogeymen Democrats, Obama, or socialism.

    Have faith.

    Fear not.

    Take the high road, even if it leads to your own demise. There are far more pressing and important matters.

  • snowshooze

    Just when I think we are outta the woods… here we go again.
    Worst Case Scenario… he wins ( Ok… other than Obama )
    I think if we had both houses we could lead him around by the nose.
    It would be a tactical defeat. But at least we would live to regret it.
    For many years.

  • gunslingr45

    than Obumber and WAY better!

  • gunslingr45

    because some thought he was less liberal than McCain. they found out they were WRONG!

  • jgge

    or as Governor of the second most populous state in the Union, one of the most prosperous states in the Union, the state that has created almost 40% of all the news jobs in the nation since 2009 and the largest conservative state in the country.

    If you want a smooth talker and 30 second sound bites thrower than Perry is not your candidate. If you want successful actions then Perry is. If you want your President to govern with 30 seconds sound bites and 3 second zingers which is not going to happen because President cannot govern and must not govern as such, if you want this then Perry is not your candidate. If you a President who take us out of this horrible mess on many levels and who has very successful record of governing then Perry is the one.

    It is that simple.

  • paulplantowin

    but Cain is a conservative Black man who has potential to split Black vote.
    This is less about primary strategy – more about the Democratic lock on Black voters.
    Not the race card – the voter block card.

    Same for Palin and possible appeal to women to see through liberalism, though the Black vote is bedrock for so much of the Democrat power.
    Seriously, what happens to Dems if Blacks vote 35% Republican?

  • thescreaminghead

    You just flip flopped on Huntsman! Didn’t Joe S. just give you props for turning the guns on Romney and saying you would give Huntsman a second chance?Well, at least now you know how hard it is to maintain a position.

    I wrote an article about how Huntsman could save us all if those retard CNBC hosts had given him half a chance.

    Huntsman could also do quite well if he would put his daughters up front more. They’re hot.

    Read this before you take all support away from Huntsman. He should be in the Cabinet, at least.

    http://tinyurl.com/7eaf936

  • federalfarmer1

    Perry is a loser against Obama.

  • jakeofalltrades

    and so had and exercised my California Republican right to not vote for McCain, since voting in California – except on ballot issues – is merely a formality.

    I live in a swing state now, so I pretty much am duty-bound as a patriotic American to vote to get Obama out and to GOTV against him. But I may not have the motivation to GOTV if it’s Romney. It takes bold colors to motivate.

  • gunslingr45

    love how you Perry people think you have it locked.
    Yes we CAIN!!

  • pttx333

    new rug? Is it as bad as the other one? He’s always so transparent with his “fair and balanced” reports and opinions. I watched the Meghan/Perry segment and it was GREAT! Our guy is so good at recovering … the main reason is because he is honest and a straight shooter. He just tells it like it is then goes on with other business. He’s gonna pull it off, hide and watch!

    Poor guy, though, I can’t imagine how he is doing what he is doing – his back surgery has not had time to complete heal. That is serious stuff. Did you notice him sitting very straight and not leaning back? He may have been wearing a back brace for support – I’m sure he needs it with his schedule.

  • gunslingr45

    can only think of Newt sitting on the couch with Pigloski.
    Newt and Nancy sitting on a couch……
    EEEEEWWWWWWWWW

  • snowshooze

    I can’t trust anyone who spends that much time on his hair.
    I really have no idea how I could get my hair that perfect.
    And I have much better things to do with my time… doing nothing would be better that working on my image… that is a sign of a sickness.. ( Mememeeee )
    And don’t forget the dog incident. Defend that. Good luck.
    You want some guy so lacking in common sense or judgement that he straps his dog to the roof of the car for a cross country trip.. and it poos all over everything…scared half to death..
    Really… doesn’t that say anything to you at all?
    Those are both real-world basic examples that don’t require intellectual consideration.
    I am sure the head shrinkers could go on about the ‘doo…

  • jakeofalltrades

    The GOP Senate should never confirm a family of babes for Herman’s fingers to fondle.

  • gunslingr45

    everyone behind Herman and PUSH!

  • pttx333

    want Romney to win the nomination because Obama will defeat him. They are all in the tank for b.o. – never a Republican. My personal pick is Rick Perry – hope you’ll check him out – he is great!

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    It happens all the time in the real world, the only anomaly here is that this would be happening in government.

    In the real, the bosses boss fires the boss and replaces him, often with someone underneath him.

    One of the reasons Obama sent him to China in the first place was hamper his chances in the election.

  • jakeofalltrades

    You can flip-flop on candidates because you get new information about them all the time. Principles are quite another matter. To flip on candidates says that you are not clairvoyant. Egregious flip-flopping on principles says you are a soul-less liar.

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    outside of economic news.

  • iidvbii

    While we must defeat Obama to save our country, the mere act of defeating Obama does not in itself save our country. We need a strong conservative for that and switch hi Mitt is not that conservative.

    I WILL NOTE SUPPORT HIM OR OTHERS IN THAT ENDEAVOR.

    I am not alone in this, his constant attacks on the people of Texas have left my friends and neighbors very angry with him. We have decided that should he get the nomination we will vote GOP in the congress and senate races and support a third party or write in for president. I am interested in defeating Obama’s agenda and this can be accomplished with a conservative senate and house without tying ourselves to Mitt for 2016.
    That’s the view from North Texas this bright fall day anyway.

  • windwaker24

    I’m just frustrated with this primary. It seems to be about style over substance. To me Perry’s flub was nothing. I played the piano at my 8th grade graduation and I forgot the whole middle section to the “Blue Danube”! I sat on the bench for 2 whole minutes, trying to remember, but I drew blanks every time. I just made up something and ended the song. He handled the whole thing better than I did. He’s out laughing and making jokes. I cried and wouldn’t talk to anyone for weeks because I felt so stupid. But the thing is I was the valerdictorian of my 8th grade class, so my record proved I wasn’t dumb. Perry is the Governor of Texas with a solid conservative record. He was also a captain the Air Force, so he’s not dumb. Why can’t people see this?! It makes me want to pull out my hair…

  • pttx333

    nominee then defeats b.o., the media and others know that Romney will bend whichever way the wind blows and do what they want him to do. Either way, it is a win-win for them. Isn’t that just too special? NOT!

  • ag8tor

    but if Romney gets the nod I will hold my nose and vote for him. So far at least Romney hasn’t aligned himself with unions, socialists, communists or terrorists so it would be beneficial from that standpoint to vote for him.WE CANNOT STAND ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF BHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Many seem to be down on Newt because of his so-called baggage but when compared to BHO he is a prince. At least he knows and would abide by the Constitution. He doesn’t seem to fancy himself as King and you must agree that watching him debate BHO would be priceless. Even with the dolts that CNBC had running last nights debate. I say a Gingrich/Cain ticket in 2012!

  • gunslingr45

    well maybe we need to hit rock bottom with these scum sucking bloated people (DC and elsewhere) before we can crawl back out of this deep deep hole.
    Our forefathers had to do it, so can we.
    Herman Perry Newt yes
    McCain (Mitt) McCain ( Huntsman) Never happen.

  • septembergurl

    mediocre as a candidate, not as a person.

  • mich22

    I myself went to sleep praying for Perry, and praying that he’d gather the strength to overcome what probably seemed to be a disaster (even though, upon reflection, I think it’s far less of a deal than the media is trying to make it). It’s interesting when someone reveals their humanness, it’s human nature that we want to cheer them on. Perry will benefit from this…I suspect his support from conservative women especially will really intensify.

  • esquip17

    I am generally a ‘pro-gridlock’ libertarian. Grid-lock works. Three separate branches of government was not designed to be a system where radical change happens overnight, and that is a good thing. Several factors converged with the current administration, and he had an unusual opportunity to ram through unpopular legislation. Obamacare normally would not have gone through except that the country was march stepping behind banal cliche’s to a disingenuous charlatan. I may not like ‘McCain- like’ politicians but I sure wish I had voted for him last election. I made the mistake that if that was the Republican candidate, then I might as well not vote. I know better now.

  • ag8tor

    “I?m not at all convinced he has the required managerial and executive skills to be President. He basically runs Newt, Inc, a one man band. Still I am looking forward to his campaign, now he is in the top tier.”
    Tell me about BHOs management & executive skills. You’re right of course, Newt was only Speaker of the House but has never been a community organizer. What was I thinking?

  • acat

    and trying to generate inverse coat-tails.

    Mew

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    in the general election. His record won’t be enough. The American people will want to hear him articulate his plans for the future, and they will want to hear him defend those ideas under pressure from his opponent. If he comes across as a bumbling fool against Obama, they will not toss him the keys for 4 years.

  • pttx333

    I’m glad you’re feeling better today. Yes, the shallow folks get all tied up in knots about “style” “looks” and all that garbage, but so what? I just keep marching forward because I KNOW that I’m right and wear that like comfy houseshoes. Feels good, too.

    You are really smart to have figured out the difference with Perry, especially at your age. All of the know-it-alls are slamming him the hardest only because he is who they fear the most simply because they know he can beat them! They are very transparent in what they believe is making things go their way – just watch for the evil and wicked things they will say about the one they fear the most, then vote for him. Doesn’t matter after the primary who gets the nomination, they’re just going to go after him tong and hammer. But when it is the primary, look for the one they fear – as long as that one has all of the requirements you need.

    Your recital story is cute. There isn’t a person on this planet who hasn’t done silly, stupid things that made them feel like and idiot. And especially in 8th grade! Everything is either perfect or you want to commit suicide – there is no in between. In the 7th grade I wanted straight bangs because everyone was wearing them. Mom said I could wear them because I have a cowlick in the front. What did I do? Sneaked to the bathroom, cut me some bangs and you know what happened? They stood straight out and wouldn’t lay down flat. I wanted to die, was hysterical, wanted to move away so I’d never be seen again, etc. I don’t know how they stood me!! LOL All kids go through that stuff.

    We survive, though, we really do. And so will you.

  • izoneguy
  • esquip17

    Look, I’m not that critical of Perry’s performance last night. He seems to at least know that he want’s to shrink the federal government. Does it really matter if it’s the EPA or Education? We need to remember that we need to win the general election and Obama will not run an anti- flip flop campaign, he will try to scare the indipendants that the “Tea Party” is draconian and scary to main streamers. It’s not easy to unseat an incumbent, even one as unpopular as Obama. We will need to get our guy elected. And to do that, he will need to be perceived to not be a shill of the tea party. Of course we have our principles, but the contributers to this forum are not typically the kind of people who determine elections. We are important in order to provide the enthusiasm.. We all love the swash-buckling state of Texas, but I think Perry will have a harder time winning the general election.

  • pttx333

    has no other choice other than Perry. There isn’t the first thing that appeals to me about the others – not as President. I like some of the others, but in different areas as support somewhere in the administration.

    Yes, it is the home-grown humanness that makes them so appealing. I don’t want some slick guy up there with his nose stuck up in the air like a lot of them do. Nope, not for me.

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    I was raised with this principle: God Helps Those who Help Themselves

    And while you’re praying, I’m going to be out there ringing doorbells, and manning the phone bank, and doing everything I can to see Obama defeated, because of the insane, wrong path that he’s taking this country.

    I believe God blessed us with this country and the Constitution. And God blessed me with common sense and the belief that freedom and liberty come at a price. The difference between you and I is that I’m willing to pay for it.

  • BigRedConservative

    Huntsman could also do quite well if he would put his daughters up front more. They?re hot..

    This is an election, not a beauty pageant. Get back to the politics.

  • bonnman

    Real Conservatives want to take back the country not turn it over to Obama-lite. Its just as bad. I don’t for a second think a President’s policies can single handedly destroy America so all the talk about four more years of Obama will ruin the Country is ridiculous but a Romney victory will most definitely destroy the Conservative movement.

  • hermas42

    I really hope you are right.

    I also will stick with him to the end, no matter what.

  • iddavis

    true conservatives won’t give him the time of day….it’s a no brainer! As RUSH has stated time and again, we don’t want the middle of the road types running as the GOP candidate because it will totally destroy the conservative party. Newt talked about the possibility of a 3rd party movement back in 2008 when we were stuck w/McCain. Everyone w/half a brain is not in favor of forming a 3rd party. However, if we continue to allow the media and the GOP establishment to choose the GOP candidate for President, we will continue to get the same….the RINOS!! It reminds me of the old expression…”Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is pure INSANITY!” We must not allow Romney to be the GOP candidate………..that’s the bottom line!!! How we do that is by doing everything in our power to promote the only true “common sense” conservative who has NO BAGGAGE……who can win over the true conservatives, Evangelicals, Hispanics, and the Jewish communities…and that’s RICK PERRY. He has the experience and record to prove he’s the best possible choice for this country at this time………….he’s tough, aggressive, a Federalist who pushes for states’ rights, fiscally conservative, and he’s not afraid to tell it like it is………he’s straingt talking, honest, sincere, and relentless in getting things done the right way. Read his book, “Fed Up!” and learn what Rick Perry is all about…………..it’s impressive!

  • bzip

    Can Rick Perry play ‘oops’ for laughs?
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-rick-perry-recover-20111110,0,4624398.story

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1268747585001/

    Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

  • acat

    Can you explain, by the way, whether you’re pro-gridlock because gridlock is better than growing government?

    Seems to me that, as a libertarian, you should be more interested in shrinking government than putting it in stasis.

    Mew

  • iidvbii

    It’s that they are not better, would be hypocrisy to vote for Romney when he provided the blue print for most of the things we hate about Obama.

    Mean that much to you if the person destroying the country and infringing on your liberties has a (D) behind their name?

  • Scope

    Paul Begala just said that it was OK when Obama said 57 states in the 08 debate, he said we all laughed and went on, but Perry just proved that he is really really dumb. He said he has been saying since before Perry got in the race that he was really dumb and has no business running for the presidency.

    Me thinks the liberals are still not convinced that Perry is not a threat to Obama.

    To Blitzer’s credit he has a segment coming up with the anatomy of a “brain freeze” in psychological terms. Hopefully it won’t be a mockery.

  • carolynr

    Ok…I calmed down a little. I’ve had time to reflect. I’ve thought about what Perry demonstrated on Meghan Kelly’s show and I would imagine the others, i.e., Greta and of all places, Letterman…God help him…it was COURAGE.

    So, I compared Perry’s response to what I believe would be the other’s if they had the same experience and also what I would do.

    My first reaction was flight….I would roll it up and get out. I guess that would show I didn’t have the perseverance to follow through…not to mention the courage to sit while the interviewer played my debate performance three of four times for me to see. I don’t know whether I would have it in me, but I have seen this type of behavior demonstrated in some of my heros. I believe to have someone take shots at you over and over again and to reply with dignity shows me that Perry has the character I believe he has. Again…here is the evidence…look at it.

    Really guys…and I would like answers – how many people would have the perseverance, discipline, humility and courage to do what he is doing today. Not too many…but I sure do admire him for what he has done.

    Now for the candidates. What would Romney do? I believe that the man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He cannot identify with the everyday person. He believes that he is more intelligent than most of us, i.e., his book No Apology and I doubt that his ego would allow him to do what Perry did. We will go the way of Europe with Romney.

    Cain – I already know what he would do…blame it on something else other than what actually happened. This is his pattern.

    Bachmann – like she did when Perry entered the race, hide in her trailer and come out later. No guts.

    Santorum – I don’t really see him as a courageous person. I see him trying to side step the question and answer with one of his own if he lost his thought.

    Gingrich – I don’t think the man has the humility to get before the public and admit a mistake. I don’t see him with that courage.

    Paul – I believe there is a slight possibility but doubt he would make the rounds on TV shows, especially those that hate his ideas, i.e., Letterman.
    Huntsman – He I think would make an attempt at trying to explain what happened and stating the obvious. Huntsman will not be the candidate…but he is more consistent than Romney by a long shot.

    Mr. Acat…before the cock crows three times…Romney will be in bed with the OWS crowd for votes…take that to the bank.

  • angryguy77

    I won’t vote for him if he’s the nominee.

    he will destroy the brand of conservatism and give it a bad name. He will be a GW 2 and we won’t be able to field a good conservative for years if he wins.

    I’d honestly rather see a BO presidency checked by a GOP congress, that a Mitt administration.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    can any of the detractors of Mitt Romney at least cite an example or two from last night’s debate where Romney argued a liberal position, or a pro-Obama position? For crying out loud – the man basically said “let there be more foreclosures” and let the private market solve housing (something he’ll take tremendous heat for), and yet a lot of you can’t give the man zero credit. Its as if some of you are impervious to the facts, and just don’t like Romney. I am sure we can quibble with his China position – but does anything think that we shouldn’t get tougher with China? So again, please – from all of you above saying Mitt is “not conservative” and “I won’t vote for him” (that is ridiculous when you do look at all the damage caused over the last couple of years – Obamacare, Stimulus, NLRB appts, Sotomayor/Kagan). We have a conservative Congress now, and yet all of that still stands. Seriouysly, instead of name-calling, please get the transcript of last night’s debate and highlight some sentences/answers for me where Mitt advocated the liberal position.

    Also – lets also get one thing straight for those comparing Romney to McCain. Tell me where and when Romney has ever used the GOP as foil to advance himself, like John McCain did in that 1999 – 2003 period? Romney has always been a loyal party guy, and has never been one to court the media by bad-mouthing Jesse Helms or George Bush or his own party the way McCain did – and that’s from a guy running in Massachusetts.

    Sorry folks, its time to suck it up and get on the team – instead of saying you won’t vote. As we have painfully learned, even with huge victories, its been been near impossible to roll back the spending set in the stimulus and unless the SCOTUS saves us, Obamacare will ruin us before we repeal it. And again, if Kennedy retires or someone tragically dies, you want Obama replacing that justice with another Sotomayor type?

  • avagreen

    Takes great humility and courage to do what he’s doing now and has done in the past.

    You are sure right on your characterizations of the others….especially Cain “You havtuh unduhstand……(lick lips)…….my mike wasn’t werkin’ right and neituh were my eer plugs and I miunderstooooooood the question.

    Thatz all it wuz (waving hands in the air)……May I now sing a song fer ya to DeMonStrate what I mean? (licking lips again and breaking into a gospel song)…….”

  • windwaker24

    My mother just saw the debate for herself an hour ago (she always watches it late) and she said his flub wasn’t that big of a deal. He regrouped and he did fine, in her opinion. She’s not sold on Perry yet, but she is beginning to like him. She wants to know more about his faith and his character. That’s a big deal for her.

  • carolynr

    I like a lot about what you post. However, I saw something in Perry this afternoon that I have not seen in any of the candidates…courage.

    He is the one. The rest aren’t. We have to help him recover.

  • avagreen

    still remembering his hollering at the reporter the other day. And, the other one when he was saying “EXCUUUSE ME! EXCUUUUSE ME! EXXXXXXCUSE ME” while he and his army were elbowing their way through the throngs of reporters.

    Have either of these gone viral, or has he been interviewed for his answers on these. I really don’t know.????

  • angryguy77

    Ive seen people wonder about Newt’s managerial skills before. HELLO Mcfly, he was the speaker of the house that drove the republicans back to power.

    I’m beginning to lose faith in my fellow conservatives.

  • pttx333

    And Romney is still out there defending it! I’ve read that Romneycare and provided “advisors” so b.o. could implement his b.o.Care – that is true, isn’t it? Well, I have more than a passing interest in it since, as a senior, they want to pat me on the head, hand me a nice little pill to keep me comfy, cuz all the doctors are unavailable, they can’t afford me, and I’m a nobody and unimportant! Isn’t that just too special? And it will then be this baby is imperfect so why don’t we just give it this nice little shot “to keep it comfy” and it won’t have to suffer any more. Murderers! The lot of ‘em! They think partial birth abortions are just fine. My God, Hitler all over again. Abortions day in and day in, no problem.

    Thanks so much for this, izoneguy. It has me madder’n hell again, but I need to stay that way – so do we all. We MUST get it right! There is no other choice.

  • retire05

    on what he has said since January, 2007 when he entered the presidential primary against John McCain. I suggest you look at how he actually governed, and the results of his governance. There are many, many websites out in internet land that will compare the two for you.

    Romney tacked right to try to defeat McCain. He governed left wing, even nominating two gay lawyers who supported same-sex marriage to the MA counts. That is NOT a conservative, by anyone’s stretch of imagination.

    It is also easy for Romney to say “let there be foreclosures” when he knows that laws have already been passed to prevent them. That’s not policy, that’s wordsmithing. To understand where a candidate stands, you must judge them on the sum of the whole, not just right turns they have taken in the last four years.

  • angryguy77

    Likes to hear himself talk sometimes, or at least has a bad case of knee-jerk reaction syndrome

  • pttx333

    beating up on b.o. That must have been a hoot and a half! Suppose now that Carville is on b.o. private list. That list is probably long enough by now to wrap around the entire world!

  • texasroots

    While the negative press means it for bad, this has given Perry the opportunity to talk about his tax and jobs plans. Fox and Friends gave Perry a lot of time, and told him they felt sorry for him, and that he was doing great up to that point. They were not gloating.

  • septembergurl

    experience or displayed any aptitude for it, or even seemed to understand what the job was (prioritizing, making decisions and executing them,, delegating power, etc). That’s why I didn’t vote for him. (Well, that and the twenty year career in the radical socialist workers movement.)

    Newt’s career in gummint was as a legislator. A very influential one. But legislating is a whole different skill set.

    There is a piece by Jay Cost that was at RCP this week. He wrote about Americans’ historic preference for big-state governors as their Presidential nominees, along with, less frequently, generals, senators, cabinet officers. One Congressman, Garfield (he was also Speaker, I believe), a businessman, Willkie, I believe Dewey was a DA or AG in NY in 1944, later Gov in 1948. My point, there’s a predictive quality in somebody’s career and if they sought out executive positions and performed well, that’s a plus.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    before the gaffe, I was thinking – he is doing much better, but lets be honest, after the gaffe the wheels came off. I thought his answer on federal loans was meandering at best. Mr Fed Up – didn’t want to end the student loan program, and mentioned some 10K cap – and then he mentioned something about “forcing these universities to be efficient”. That is all fine and good for public universities – but what about private schools? Is Perry going to force Rice, Baylor, SMU, TCU, Southwestern, Concordia and many, many others – especially many religious schools to “be efficient”? Or does he let the private market work? Then the answer ended with something on long-distance learning. Compare and contrast that with Newt’s answer on higher education.

    I just don’t think Perry has the “it” to outdebate Obama, especially with 100 million people tuned in, and after last night, I fear for another gaffe heard round the world . . . so instead of contrasting a jobs or spending plan with Obama, we have Perry apologizing for “stepping in it”.

  • windwaker24

    I know I wouldn’t have. Just like I told pttx333, I flubbed my piano piece at my 8th grade graduation. I didn’t handle it well. I cried and wouldn’t speak to anyone for weeks. For Perry to joke about himself and take all of this with stride, he has my highest respect. I love that man! I am confident he will make a good President!

  • westcoastpatriette

    Peoples’ reactions of horror are more a reflection of who they are rather than who Perry is

    This is truly no big deal to him because he knows who he is and what really matters. Only people who are secure in who they are can laugh at themselves in jest like he does. Even last night at the debate he said “oops.”

    In the end, even though it was a little embarrassing at the moment, it shows his humanity and the way he ignores the many people who mock him is a huge strength. Means he is down to earth and just like us–all huge, huge pluses in my book.

  • tyman

    The libs are quaking in their boots about Perry.

    They WANT you to think that he isn’t a threat, and that’s why they try to discredit him by calling him “dumb”.

    I did listen to Rush today and he recalled some of Obama’s comments that I thought about that really make him look like a complete dufus (which he is).

    Rush talked a lot about the Cain mess, too…

    If they thought that Perry was no threat to Obama, do you think they’d want him to run? If they honestly thought he was that dumb, they’d WANT him to be the nominee for Obama. But they don’t!

  • romansdaughter

    must not be as conservative as he would like us all to think. Maybe that is the reason he can’t seem to articulate where he stands on abortion and some of his other hinky stances. Man this is messed up.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    I know a lot about how Romney campaigned and governed. People always attack him in that he “ran to the left of Ted Kennedy” in 1994. That’s a stretch even though it usually means the social issues. No one will ever forget when Romney kicked off his campaign in a boarded up neighborhood in Dorchester and called it “Kennedy Country”.

    And again – actually look at his record in Massachusetts. Yes, Romneycare has some clear objections for conservatives, but again, the exchanges and mandate were developed with Heritage. And, its funny, because the mandate was designed to combat “free-riders” and get them to pay something. Romney gets killed for that, yet, Perry gives children of illegals a leg up on citizens, but we hear all sorts of excuses.

    As Governor, Romney didn’t raise taxes, cut spending, was pro-business, tried to reform and cut bloated government, was a strong supporter of Bush, was anti-Union, fought the Cape Wind project tooth and nail, was the only NE Gov that didn’t sign the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative etc., tried to reform permitting to allow for development.

    The problem with some of you folks now is that you are just reflexively against something without really thinking about it. Just because liberals now like infrastructure – doesn’t mean that building more and better roads and bridges is bad thing. Just because liberals like bikes and public transportation doesn’t make those bad either – I took the train from NYC to DC yesterday and besides a slow internet connection it was fine. I also like the DC Metro system – and while the MBTA sucks, the commuter rail in and out of Boston is pretty decent, so you can get in to downtown from 20+ miles away without pulling your hair out in trafffic. So Romney looked at things like air policy, smart growth and sustainable development – well, I hate to tell you but those are things of interest to folks in Massachusetts – but there was no heavy hand in regulation.

  • acat

    I think izoneguy captured the essence of the problem with this…

    Mitt is who and what he is… although I doubt the guys and gals of #OWS are bright enough to object, I think Mitt will have a very difficult time making inroads.

    Mew

  • dajeeps

    “Obummer can do more damage in 4 more years than a Conservative Party could fix if they controlled all branches of government for twenty. Just look at the damage he has already accomplished.”

    What are the differences between Romney and Obama? They are both huge statists/elitists with chips on their shoulder, they just do it with a different spin. The recourse rule change that helped fuel the housing crisis was done under the watch of GWB along with medicare part D, three rounds of fiscal stimulus, TARP, etc… Of course GWB is more conservative than Romney ever thought of being. With 8 years of Clinton, 8 of GWB and 4 of Obama, we’re really racking up some damage – although I suppose you can tell, and it doesn’t seem like at least 4 years of Romney is going to make much difference other than maybe slow down the decay by a couple of months or weeks, if we’re lucky.

    No, I think we need shut it about voting one way or the other in the general, because even if Romney is nominated, he cannot be president without us. And so we need to pin is rear to the wall and make it clear we will not be putting up with RINO garbage. If he wants to be President, fine, but not without some serious pledges – and if he thinks can just say whatever, and then do what he fancies, he’ll be humiliated in 2016.

  • retire05

    All those schools you mentioned are private schools. They are not supported by taxpayer funding, except by the federal student loans that wind up being defaulted on by the graduates. I am sorry you can’t grasp that Perry was talking about state universities.

    And do you not know what “long distance” learning is? It is the very process that allows certain universities to keep costs down by letting students take course on-line. There is absolutely no reason that a student has to sit in a class to take English Lit or Sociology. A number of accredited junior colleges are doing this already, quite successfully. If a student is having trouble with a course, they can contact the course professor either on-line, or set up a meeting with the professor when they are both on campus. Most professors who have on-line courses also have chat rooms where their students can interact with them either on a one-on-one basis or as a class. On-line course are designed to allow the professors to teach more students, therefore reducing the cost to the school, and the student.

    There is no reason that a university education should cost, especially at a state funded school, as much as it does. And going into debt for that education is folly.

    One other thing that Perry supports, as do I, is that professors actually have to put in the hours they are being paid for. I know a number of University of Texas professors that teach only one class and earn additional money by doing research papers that only four people ever read. And he also believes that tenure should not be taken into consideration when appraising a professors effectiveness. Frankly, I would be absolutely thrilled to see Robert Jensen given the boot. But tenure prevents that now.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    it was a question about “student loans” – and yet Perry is talking about “forcing” universities to keep tuition down. I agree with him for public universities, as I stated above. Should I state it again? BTW – how has tuition tracked at Texas (Austin) compared to other state’s flagship university? I am being serious – I don’t know, but would be interested to know if Perry’s UT system has seen less increases than Berkely, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida etc.

    However, Perry’s solution doesn’t solve the problem when you consider all of the private colleges and universities out there . . . that is why I specifically mentioned TCU, Rice, SMU etc. that could continue to raise tuition rates by 8% per year with plenty of students continuing to get student loans to fund their education’s at these schools.

    And, fundamentally – Perry’s answer was a state solution to a state problem. How as President is he going to force the University of Texas under Governor Dewhurst to hold down tuition?

    That is why Perry’s answer was inadequate at best.

  • snowshooze

    Beyond that, we will do whatever it takes to unseat B.H.O.

  • bzip

    I find this very impressive and speak volumes to Perry character. Okay Perry had a big gaffe last night. Did Perry try to blame someone, did Perry try and state he did understand the question ? NO Perry took full responsibility of his gaffe. In addition Perry has been hitting all the TV spots since early this morning and will continue till late tonight. He has shown a great deal of character.

    Debates are not the only thing that decides how elections are won or lost, not by a long shot. If anyone doubts that Perry can speak to the America people I think you need to watch Perry?s interviews and how he is handling this campaign crisis. Perry can handle himself very well; he can speak to the American people very honestly and openly as he has been doing in his interviews.

    All the candidates have flaws; there isn?t a perfect candidate out there. Perry has the most experience, the most consistent proven conservative record with over 10 years of governing experience. Perry basically carries no baggage and his only flaw is his debate performances. Debate skills can be improved and surely are not the only component that can win or lose elections. Baggage, inexperience can play a vital role in determining elections so anyone that makes the argument that Perry would lose to Obama because he can?t debate better think twice about all the other candidates and their baggage. In fact Obama without a teleprompter is far worse than anything you could think of in a debate.

    Perry clearly can articulate his message, can clearly communicate very well in his interviews and in a debate forum in which the format is given to substance i.e. watch the Iowa debate forum in which candidates are given time to answer with substance and you will clearly see Perry can articulate his message very well.

    The bottom line though, every candidate has flaws. Anyone claiming the Perry flaws are worse and would cost the election is being very biased and isn?t taking into accounts the flaws and baggage of all the other candidates.

    The question you must ask yourself is: Who is the most conservative candidate that is the least flawed and has a greatest chance of beating Obama. I think if you are being honest and look at the record your answer will be Rick Perry.

    We must unite to defeat Romney and then Obama. We also must unite to give strength to the candidate, Perry in the continued campaign battle.

  • bzip

    Very insightful post carolynr. Thank you very much. You did a very nice job summarizing the filed and breaking it down. I like your assessment. Thanks.

  • tjms

    a morning of thinking all things over. I am going with substance over style. I sent in my donation along with my choices of which depts. to cut.

  • retire05

    private universities will lower their costs when they can no longer compete with the state universities. It is simple market principals. Those schools, all of them, are in the business to make money, especially the private universities.

    State universities are a state purview. But Perry can lead the move to get states to become more reasonable with tuitions. The University of Texas, Arlington, has just announced a freeze on tuitions. Sorry, I don’t know for how long. Texas A & M’s tuition rates have not increased all that much.

    Are you even aware of how much is paid to UT professors? Do you really think Mack Brown is worth $2.5 million a year? Those salaries, of state employees, need to get more in line with where they should be. No professor is worth 1/2 million $$’s a year. None of them.

    If students, and their parents, want to cover the cost of a private university, that is their choice, but frankly, it has been reported time and time again, paying the cost of a private university is not all that beneficial when the student actually graduates and enters the work force. A couple of months ago I read an article that the graduate from the University of Texas Law School actually earns more in the first five years of practice than the Harvard Law graduate.

    So how do you justify the cost of Harvard?

  • streetwise

    To paraphrase the great Rumpole of the Bailey, an advocate NEVER should offer up the answer to a question if he’s not confident in the answer.

    Two other impressions: 1) why do 4 candidates without a prayer in the world continue to waste air time? 2) it was sweet to see Maria the Money Honey get visibly peeved.

  • emiarmstrong

    Romney looks presidential, but I’m sick of voting based on that. I want someone who is presidential and I put Newt in that category. It is time Americans woke up and voted for the individual who really has the smarts and ability to straighten this country out. I put my money on Newt and not the impressive looking, looks presidential, individual.

    Told Newt has too much baggage. How many of us would want people to judge us by our past andNewt seems to have shown complete contrition for that. Besides that didn’t the Democrats scream “It’s all about sex” when it came to Bill Clinton. We have good values, but none of us are perfect and I trust Newt’s judgment on all things pertaining to the Office of the President.

  • emiarmstrong

    How can that be when this is the first time I have left one. It dan only mean that someone else thinks as I do .

    Please re-evaluate my comment becuase you are incorrect

  • 1bunny

    n/t

  • carolynr

    That has nothing to do with the Federal Government. As far as the loans are concerned…Obama..through Obamacare made it mandatory to go through the Federal Government. You do remember Fannie and Freddie…and where that led..well meet their little sister Sallie.

    If private colleges want to raise their tuitions and people don’t have the money…well, I guess that is the end of that…isn’t it. It is not the place of the Federal Government to get involved. Further…should the Federal Government fund the Catholic Church because they can’t make it in the collection basket?

    Oh..for your information, the reason people don’t like Romney is because they don’t trust him. The reason for that is that he changes his position according to his audience. The man does not have stability and if we are going to get back on track…we need it.

    He won’t do a darn thing about Obamacare other than have it insured by private companies…but the Federal agencies will still run the thing..salaries and all. Layers and layers of crap.

  • westcoastpatriette

    And Maria turned my stomach. I wanted to slap her she was such a condescending, hostile witch.

  • acat

    You just know SNL would love to take a whack at this. They’ve hit at the debates before…. “Pizza delivers”…?

    Imagine Perry doing a walk-on as himself, coaching the guy playing him on how to go blank…

    “Look, it’s all an act. Just .. blank.”

    Mew

  • sallyb

    Like you, I will only vote in the presidential election if Perry or Gingrich is the nominee.

  • bzip

    I made a donation “again” today. I have really been donating and I felt he needed a boost today. I really feel we need to unite and offer strength to in any way we can, whether it be volunteer work, donations even if a small amount, blogging in support what ever we can and I am going to do my best. I really feel very strong about Perry and being the very best most qualified.

  • tjms

    am with you all the way. It will be hard for me as he is the only one I can back 100%.

  • retire05

    That is beside playing the race card, campaigning on a cult of personality and his “likeability”, and blaming everyone else for his problems, I now give you:

    http://www.caintruth.com

    paid for by the Friends of Herman, his own campaign organization.

    P.S. Remember stopthesmears.com put out by Obama?

    Yeah, tell me again what a conservative this clown is.

  • easyb

    I wish I could remember where I read it…

    The other day Newt said that the “couch moment” with Pelosi was one of the dumbest things he’s ever done.

    Now that it looks like the spotlight will be on him very soon, we’ll see if he’s going to continue with the mea culpa’s. If he does, I think it will help his stature in the primaries, especially Iowa.

  • acat

    Should I be blaming Mittens for the likes of Ryan and Phil Larsen?

    Mew

  • federalfarmer1

    If you refuse to voter the gop nominee.

    I’m calling out streiff for saying he won’t support Cain or romney if nominated and the other mods tolerating the same garbage from other whiners complaining that their favorite candidate isn’t doing well.

    Ban me if you want but its true. This is out of hand. You always support the republican over the democrat. Sitting out the election is a vote for Obama, another kagan or sotamayor on the supreme court and the permanent damage to the country another lib would do, and abandonment of our troops and he world to this feckless administration. It’s not a serious question whether romney Cain huntsman or whoever will be more liberal than Obama.

    Grow up. Be serious.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    but the principle you state has zero theological grounding. Rather, it has its roots in ancient Greece – Aesop’s Fables – and Benjamin Franklin.

    I don’t disregard works, but I’m not beholden to it either.

  • pttx333

    this article with her about Perry’s parents who still live in Paint Creek? You will both enjoy it so much – makes me cry it is so sweet.Once you read it you will know who Perry is, how he was raised, what he believes in, and so on. There is one thing the author speaks of as “the Perry family hunting lodge” which is stupid! That is the snooty liberal Dallas paper for you. Anyway, the so-called hunting lodge is really nothing more than a deer lease – period. They never ever had a hunting lodge. They are just common, every day folks and I grew up exactly the same way with traditional values, faith, and all of the good things in life,

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111105-rick-perrys-parents-say-their-son-is-strong-medicine-needed-by-a-sickly-nation.ece?ssimg=368982#

  • evilleramsfan

    n/t

  • retire05

    Obama’s stopthesmears.com run duing the last campaign to dispel the truth about Obama.

  • daemonocracy

    You insult this sites commentary yet you lie about Romney’s conservatives. Name me one key Conservative issue Romney has not played both sides with and has been a strong advocate for throughout his career. Do it.

    As for market forces, he has not pushed for tax code reform which would level the playing field for all, he passed carbon caps while Governor and is open to Cap and Trade on a Global Scale. Concerning individual liberty, one of the few bits of his record which he has not flip flopped on are the individual mandates he forced upon his constituents.

    He is not a conservative. If I am wrong, then name me one key Conservative issue Romney has not played both sides with and has been a strong advocate for throughout his career

  • pttx333

    just like they are supposed to do. The libs have yet to figure out that all of their games always fail in the end, and I think it is so funny.

    I’m proud of Fox & Friends for being kind to Perry today. I’ve been very angry at Fox for a long time now because I saw them change from something good that I watched all of the time to something unfamiliar that I didn’t want to watch anymore. I did catch Meghan interviewing Perry this afternoon and it was great and it was fair. But that is the first time I’ve had Fox on in a long time. Sure am happy nobody gloated, though. They’re smart, though, they knew full well that there was nothing to gloat about, and that Perry would turn it around on everyone with him right back in the spotlight again. That is just Perry and I LOVE to watch him do that! LOL

  • David123

    in the general election, if he is the Republican nominee.

    If Obama is re-elected it is virtually certain he will appoint activist pro-abortion judges to the Supreme Court. If Roe-v-Wade is upheld or expanded, abortion will continue to be a constitutional right, as a practical matter.

    I think Roe v Wade was wrongly decided but it doesn’t matter what I think – it matters what a majority of the Supreme Court thinks.

    Romney has Bork as a legal advisor – that makes me hopeful that Romney would nominate originalist judges like Thomas, Scalia, and Alito. No chance Obama nominates a judge like that.

    There is a real simple comparison between Romney and Obama=>
    A flip-flop is better than a TOTAL FLOP.

    Not saying Romney has to be your guy in the primary – but remember “conservative in the primary Republican in the general.”

    Any of the Republicans running would be far better than Obama.

  • avagreen

    What a great idea.

    Yowzah!

  • daemonocracy

    I plan to vote for Romney if he is the nominee. An opportunist with no convictions will still prove useful in the White House if the Republicans control both houses.

  • streiff

    First, if you’re going to “call” me out, do me the freakin courtesy of actually reading what I’ve written.

    I’ve never ever said I won’t support Romney for president. I think the man is an insincere, opportunistic, empty suit who will do much more damage to the GOP than Obama has and he will open the government to the army of psychotic fellatistos which constitute his supporters. But I’ve never said I won’t vote for him. Besides, he’s as pro-choice as Obama so the life argument is wildly inappropriate in his case.

    Cain, on the other hand, is unqualified for the position. His only electoral experience resulted in losing a GOP primary and his business experience is really underwhelming. It isn’t like Godfather’s was or is a huge business. 80% of the stores are owned by franchisees. When you look at the number of people he actually managed it was fewer than an Army colonel. His lies and evasions when confronted with the current scandal speak to a guilty conscience. We’ve had one serial sexual abuser in the White House. I won’t vote for another.

    No you don’t always support the Republican. Not if they are a terribly flawed person and candidate.

    A word of advice. You don’t like my opinions, fine. I could give a rat’s patootie. You make this personal again and you are gone. Period. So you aren’t calling out me or any other mod because as far as we’re concerned you’ve said nothing of value since registration and there is no hint of that changing in the near future.

  • Knightbrigade

    WE conservatives have to look at the BIG picture. After reading all the comments above saying I won’t vote for this or that Republican in the General. I understand the frustration, and OK fine we can get away with it in the PRIMARY season. BUT as a hard core conservative on ALL issues, I will vote for a pile of dog crap instead of having President Prompterbinky being re-elected.

    Let’s not focus just on the POTUS! WE have a Senate to take back and a House to retain.!!! If we do these things with strong conservative candidates, they will help remind any Republican President we elect to fly right.
    Just my 2 cents…BIG picture and work together EVERYWHERE!!!!

  • windwaker24

    You’re right, it was a beautiful article. He looks just like his mother! :)

  • Common_Cents

    for Pelosi couch moment.

    He also apologized to Paul Ryan awhile back.

  • heraklios

    By 2016 this country will be on its collective knees and begging for a conservative alternative. With Romney next year we lose Congress in 2014 and have another liberal Democrat in 2016.

  • heraklios

    but I am definitely uncomfortable with this and some of his positions on social issues.

  • littletboca

    Newt will move right past everyone else – he’s methodical has learned from his many mistakes and ready to take on Obama. No doubt Romney has that Presidential look (Whatever that is), but it’s getting old listening to his canned speeches. He’s playing his run way to careful at this time and if he wants to win, then he needs to show us what he’s got….

  • carolynr

    Sounds good…goes with the Constitution…but what has Obama been doing…RULING by Executive fiat…and NOBODY IS DOING A DARN THING ABOUT IT. We aren’t even being represented any longer…does anyone realize that.

    Won’t pass his jobs bill…he’ll do it by Executive Order. By his own words..he will bypass Congress. So…this is why we need a TRUE Conservative. Romney will get along great with the Democrats…the Republican..well inside the Beltway…but TPM people…he’ll diss them.

  • tricianc

    In the “event” field I put: For the courage, humility and humbleness Governor Perry showed today.

    I’d like a President that admits his mistakes, faces the controversy and one who can laugh at himself than one who thinks they are perfect and has all the answers.

  • tricianc

    In the “event” field I put: For the courage, humility and humbleness Governor Perry showed today.

    I’d like a President that admits his mistakes, faces the controversy and one who can laugh at himself than one who thinks they are perfect and has all the answers.

  • heraklios

    Hope you earmarked your contribution for a debate coach!

  • federalfarmer1

    You said in the mail bag thread romney would be at least as bad for conservatives as four more years of Obama. I apologize if I read into that that you would not vote for him, and you did not intend that, but that is the logical implication.

    And you cannot tell me Cain is less qualified or competent than Obama. In politics, you use the influence you have to work for the good. It would be disastrous for the country to have Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas replaced by another Obama pick. It’s unimaginable. And for folks to spout nonsense about romney or Cain being as bad or worse than Obama, or sitting home on election day would be good for conservatism, is infuriating.

    If redstate wants to be a community to advance conservatism, id like to participate, as Ive tried to do respectfully, though like anybody, sometimes my temper gets the best of me. If its going to be a soapbox for a few folks to post their opinions without being criticized, ill leave on my own.

  • gator_hoo

    Since I don’t know the positions of the candidates: tell me, do you think Cain would support a path to citizenship?

    And I don’t even know what you are talking about on global warming, Perry has probably been the number one fighter against the EPA among governors.

  • gator_hoo

    I hope you understand that your advice would cause your daughter to wait two more years to get instate tuition.

    I think there is a lot of misunderstanding on this issue. This isn’t a scholarship, this isn’t free school, this is paying in-state tuition rather than out-of-state tuition

  • Scope

    those few hairs hanging down on his forehead last night, that never moved as his head did. Someone told him that the Breck Girl look was not cutting it.

    As far as the dog goes, I have always believed in the old saying that a person’s real character is told by how they treat the elderly, the young and animals. I don’t honestly remember Romney being any kind of child advocate, or promoting or backing any type of child advocacy positions, and I’m not including the leftist “it’s all for the children” garbage they do. He obviously had no caring or feelings about the family dog to strap it to the roof. He has only pandered to the elderly to take Perry out with his SS ponzi scheme comment.

  • gator_hoo

    Cain is not a conservative. He’s at best a moderate. He MIGHT be more conservative than Romney.

  • septembergurl

    Huntsman are on Hannity’s Fox TV show tonite. these young women, seriously, are very cute and wholesome. Huntsman himself is not too hard on the eyes. I speak as a woman. YMMV.

  • streiff

    Did you read this
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/08/mitt-romney-as-the-nominee-conservatism-dies-and-barack-obama-wins/

    Cain is much less competent and qualified than Obama. Obama has been president for 4 years. That may be bad experience as from my perspective but it is one helluva lot more experience of any type than Cain has.The man ran 100 freakin company-owned pizza stores and had a max of about 400 franchisees. That is not credible experience. Look at how he has run his campaign if you want to see rampant incompetence.

    As to judicial picks, we can say with great certitude that Romney will pick justices who can be easily confirmed as he doesn’t believe in anything enough to fight for it. We can look at his Mass nominees and get a good idea of what his SCOTUS ones will be like.

    I think Cain would be better on judges but Cain’s character makes supporting him impossible from my standpoint. YMMV. If Cain was nominated I would not vote for president.

    I said in the mailbag thread that Romney would be at least as bad for conservatives as Obama. I stand by that. Your inference from that is illogical. So I can’t help you on that front. But I think every conservative should think about the difficulties of keeping the Vichy instincts of Mitch McConnell under control if he has a NE liberal in the White House. The only saving grace of a President Romney is controlling the regulatory agencies… assuming he wants to do that.

    As to the other stuff.

    1. We were enhancing activism before you got here. If you woujld pay attention to what we do you might, just maybe, learn something. Unlike you, we have credibility.

    2. We “few folks” who you don’t like have earned our way onto the front page. We did it by working hard. Over 7 years I’ve averaged about 30 articles per month for RedState. When you hit that number you’ve earned the right to call me out. Until then, don’t.

  • Scope

    we all need to start concentrating on getting the biggest majorities we can in the House and Senate. That way if we get Obama or Romney, if we have veto override majorities, we can and will stop both of them. It’s the only solution at this point.

  • Scope

    that if Romney is the nominee they will vote for him because he is better than Obama are a part of the problem. If all those saying that would back off and say nothing, Romney wouldn’t already be seen as inevitable because as much as you despise him, you will vote for him anyway, which exacerbates the inevitable meme.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

    the stated principle is grounded in the Jewish notion that if a person starts to do something “for” God, God helps that person complete what was started. The pagans and B. Franklin may have taken up the banner afterward, I’ll have to take your say so.

  • Scope

    on getting as many R’s voted into the Senate and House to obliterate any possible Obama or Romney presidency. If we get a conservative in the WH, it will only help most everything they want to push forward.

  • goformitt

    I don’t want anybody to fall off their chair, but I’ll happily vote for Romney. There are things about him I don’t like, but this is politiocs, not dating.

    Why do I support him? Well for one, he’s bright, articulate and understands the world we live in. Thats a pretty good start.

  • acat

    They’re not as funny as the Smothers Brothers, but they do try.

    This is simple to me. Cain is not perfect, but he’s got experience in running a nationwide trade association, and in turning around businesses.

    Is Herman Cain perfect? No. Is he better than Romney? Yes – in one significant way. Cain’s record doesn’t have nearly as many waffles.

    Mew

  • cbartlett

    to get into a school in Texas – AND, yeah, like gator said PAY for it – it isn’t FREE! She still has to have good grades and good SAT scores and a decent list of community/school activities to be accepted. What is it with everyone wanting to go to school here anyway? We Texans love our universities but it sure does seem like everyone from the other 49 makes fun of us for it… Just saying….

  • williamjameson

    being a conservative means to conservatives. Romney is no conservative, he’s an empty suit, a tabula rasa at best and he could care less about conservative values. He’ll say anything to get elected and flip flop to the next audience.

    MittMilqueToast is was and always shall be a wannabe who wants to push the party left………exactly what Obama, Pelosi and Reid have called for for over 5 years. We lose if Romney wins, you simply don’t get it. It is shameful to see people like you pretending to have a clue whom MittMilqueToast is.

    RomneyCare is more like Obamacare than you know, its been discussed here and everywhere online. the RomneyZombies lie for him and produce fake documents produced by his campaign.

  • macphisto96

    “Most definitely destroy the Conservative movement.”

    Come on. What do you even know about Romney and what might be his policies? Calling him Obama light. Have you looked at his proposals for Social Security and Medicare, proposals that PAUL RYAN commented positively on?

    I personally feel that Romney is the BEST hope for conservatives because he understands you cannot just promise big changes or force big changes quickly. So his idea for Medicare to try to move it to more market based solutions offers the safety net of people choosing to keep current coverage. Instead of forcing people to change, Romney wants to prove that the conservative idea is the better idea first and then win them over.

    That’s why he doesn’t scare the general electorate so much. People think it’s because he’s not conservative. That’s not true. He just knows when to pick fights and when to gradually move in a direction to provide comfort.

    The conservative ideologues, though, live in fantasyland because they think that conservative ideas and policies can just be forced through quickly.

    Take Ohio. I live in Florida now, but I’m from Ohio. Kasich attacked the unions in the wrong way for a state like Ohio. He actually should have pushed a Right To Work law first and allowed union membership to decline, even in the public sector, before attacking across the board collective bargaining.

    Romney is a businessman first. Businessman have a good sense for what can be accomplished and what cannot. This is what made Reagan so great as well. He never bit off more than he could chew and he knew not to be too strict in who he called conservative and who he didn’t.

    Reagan would be very disappointed in those that attack Romney or want to say he’s not a conservative. People could have attacked Reagan for the same thing – and I do think RedState would have come out and said that Reagan would be the end of conservatism as we know it if he were elected. After all, Reagan made abortion legal in California while growing government and entitlements at pretty high rates.

    Yet is Reagan a RINO? Or was Reagan governing in a way he needed to for the state he was governor or, just like Romney?

    Romney will surround himself with the best and brightest. He will identify problems and find real solutions. He will reach across the aisle when he can, just like Reagan did, and stand firm when he needs to.

    I believe that Romney will make the conservative movement stronger by adding more accomplishment to it. The problem is the ideologues won’t like that he’ll do it with civility and logical arguments.

    He is light years better than Obama, that’s for sure.

  • streiff

    he’ll use the same set of disgusting sycophants in his administration that he’s used in his two presidential campaigns.

    Anyone who uses Reagan and Romney together in a non-ironic fashion should be horsewhipped.

  • williamjameson

    have better alternatives. With Perry, Gingrich and Cain as alternatives we have better choices each of whom have flaws but they don;t have a lousy track record like MittMilqueToast.

    When people have to lie for a candidate as we’ve seen we have to question whether such people care for MittMilqueToast’s poor performance and MittMilqueToast’s desire to run for potus after ony 2 years as governor. he basically ran away from a state he lost control of.

    Does anyone really think a man who saw dozens of vetoed bills passed a second time around by a Statist Dem state party will actually garner power over national dems. The far left are in control of dems and they actually think they know what they are doing. Romney will be impotent in no time.

    Remember dems and the corrupt liberal media want to move the party further left and they are moving the goal posts to move the GOP further left…………the failures of Bush prove moving left ain’t right! And we have more to lose if Romney wins.

  • goformitt

    If you don’t mind saying, would you support Ron Paul as an Independent if Romney was the GOP candidate?

  • lightspeed

    You won’t vote for Cain because of his character, but would vote for Romney, a man with no core beliefs to speak of? You keep accusing Cain of lying, but what do you have to back it up? Romney’s lies are the basis for his entire campaign.

  • gekster

    What do you even know about Romney and what might be his policies?

    Heck, even Romney doesn’t know what his policies are, or might be.

    I don’t care who you are, that right there is funny.

  • pttx333

    at the end of the segment on the accuser where there is a small paragraph with questions about who is paying the legal fees, how did Allred come to be her attorney, etc. That is red meat thrown out for the fans of Cain to say “yeah, duh, who’s giving her money to pay for a big lawyer” and on down the line. I am sure there is someone within in campaign organization who answer them all in about two seconds. Boy, they going to the depths, aren’t they? He’s a goner – I thank God and Greyhound for that!

  • goformitt

    Given this weeks elections in Miss., Ohio – even here in Iowa, I’m beginning to wonder if Dems might be gaining seats in the house and/or senate?

    I’m not anywhere near the political geeks many of you are, so I don’t have a strong opinion on this, but a casual look indicated to me there was a shift against some GOP ideals – I know we had some wins, but the Union win in a swing state like Ohio doesn’t bode well for us.

    Not trying to be scary here, but how many seats are “in play” this go-round? And what is the likelihood that Dems will regain seats in Congress?

    I think this is important because the general feelings about the candidate will have an influence on downstream races.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    I do not support Mitt Romney. I have worked for and given money to other candidates who represent what I feel are Goldwater /Reagan /Buckley conservative ideals. That includes Gingrich, Perry, and Cain.

    Yet anyone here who feels four more years of this administration is preferable to even a moderate Republican is an abject traitor. We can survive 4 years of Romney. We cannot survive 4 years of Obama. Therefore I will work my butt off to remove the Chief Offender in the White House. Unlike my purist conservative colleagues here that would rather see the country die than vote for anyone other than their “flavor of the month” (insulting as that is), I will vote for the nominee.
    Period.

    Those who publically state here they will not support whoever, should that person be nominated, need to be banned, and can go off and join Ron Paul on some Quoxotic independent run at higher office

    There is no compromise. Support the nominee or leave

  • Common_Cents

    If you’re gonna gaffe, go all the way!

  • pttx333

    am high on coffee and cokes, going from OH NO last night to giggling half the night last night to reeeeeally heehawing today. This has been the wildest ride I’ve ever been on in my entire life, and I have loved every single minute of it.

    Now I can’t stop laughing over the Larsen Bros, the late resident idjits, and thinking retire05 doesn’t have the foggiest what you are talking about. And I don’t even drink! Wait a minute, yes I do – about two years ago I had a glass of White Zinfandel – so I lied didn’t I?

    And now Kitty is blinking … so I think it is time for me to crash and burn and go straight into a coma! Thanks for the fun stuff everyone! G’night to all!

  • snowshooze

    Buy the business..fire everyone and part it out.
    Isn’t that what he was doing?

  • nathanalbright

    …then you let others know you don’t take yourself too seriously, and you make it hard for anyone to ruffle you by laughing at you.

  • Kyle-MI

    Another four years of Obama would guarantee Obamacare would stay in place. It would guarantee the need of a veto proof majority to repeal Obamacare.

    Another four years of Obama could well cement the liberal majority on the Supreme Court. It would mean, at least, five Supreme Court members selected by Obama. And that is the best case. It could well be he replaces a couple of the conservative members.

    While Romney is not great, he is not that bad. He, at least, gives us a chance. There is NO chance with Obama. By the time we are done with a second Obama term, we will not have a country left.

  • David123

    NT

    :-)

  • Knightbrigade

    but Obama is using Executive fiat because REPUBLICANS can block him. ANY Republican will NOT go that far against their own party. Look how GWB backed off with Harriet Miers. Having both chambers will be great for SCOTUS among other battles.

  • jakeofalltrades

    “You said in the mail bag thread romney would be at least as bad for conservatives as four more years of Obama. I apologize if I read into that that you would not vote for him, and you did not intend that, but that is the logical implication. ”

    It’s neither the logical implication, nor is it the logical implication. It’s just a wild guess. You can’t go attacking someone based on a wild guess as to what he thinks,

    This is a political site with very intelligent writers and some decent intellects among the commentariat. Positions are nuanced. When people go flying off the handle at you because of something you never said, it makes the aggressor seem lazy, dumb, or crazy – take your pick.

    You have to actually read what people say and stop assuming. There’s a rash of failing to do so among the commentators on this site.

  • acat

    McCain wasn’t afraid to go along with the jokes at his expense on SNL….

    That’s one of the hallmarks of main street conservatives, in this cat’s opinion .. unlike the leftists (and some of the bluebloods) we have a sense of humor.

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    Obama actually believes in communism and will fight tooth-and-nail to destroy this nation.

    Romney believes in nothing and will fight for nothing.

    I’d rather have a neutral in office than a traitor to the Constitution.

  • anitasays

    Wow, I’ve read your blogs before and I find you offensive, but this puts the icing on the cake. I’ve never commented before and I believe this will be my first and last time to do so. I’m done with Redstate, and it’s you streiff, with your bombastic attitude and arrogance that , after two years of coming here for conservative ideas, has caused it. And maybe you don’t give a rat’s patootie what anybody else thinks, I do give a rat’s patootie what Redstate thinks, and if your an example, I’m finished.

  • daveoconnor

    These are the correct adjectives for Romney’s 20-something per cent?
    Cain is a serial sexual abuser?
    Hey, nothing personal. I am quoting you.These comments, not you mind you, are immature, without evidence and wildly hyperbolic.
    I doubt anyone visiting RS for the first time would be favorably impressed.

  • gator_hoo

    Fine, I get that Herman Cain is a likeable guy, but please know his positions when you are defending him. Thanks.

  • Tbone

    bye.

  • nathanalbright

    …I imagine you did too. Of course, I’m not on their mailing list (though I am on the mailing list for Newt, which I don’t entirely understand), but once the e-mail address was posted I sent them my suggestions anyway.

  • nathanalbright

    I will admit that I was a huge McCain backer in 2008 (before the Florida primary I was an active volunteer in the Tampa office), which I initially found by accident because some friends lived in the condos above. Despite his hostility to Bush (and his willingness to bridge the gap with Senate Democrats), he was still a main street conservative. He didn’t take himself too seriously–he was proud to like ABBA. There aren’t any perfect politicians out there, but if we can appreciate and respect the man (or woman), flaws and all, we have something worth fighting for as a country. We can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the very good, and having a sense of humor reminds us of what we can laugh about and not take so seriously. There are enough things in life we have to take seriously–we can’t afford to take ourselves too seriously as well.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I have to give him a pat on the back if he managed to get you out of here. If you disagree, you could have made an effort to outline your disagreement in a comment, that’s how it’s done. Stomping your feet and pissing on yourself as you just did simply gets you laughed at.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

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  • greyeagle

    Perry beat Kay Bailey Hutchinson in this last election. She as no amateur. You are thinking about Medina and he beat her too. He has hired some personnel from GW’s team and some from another team. It is taking a little while to get going. Why the comment about Perry being a nightmare to work with? How would you know? I will be voting for him in the Primary anyway, since I know his capabilities. The so called debates run by liberals are hardly a good venue to choose Republican candidates.

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    Go look for that phrase in your Poor Richard’s Almanac.

  • greyeagle

    I think his back was causing him a lot of trouble in the first 3 debates. He looked like he was in pain. You can not stand in place for 2 hours for many months after back surgery. He was only about a month post op, when he entered the campaign. I know he has been wearing a back brace, but may not be now. It is not unusual to have severe muscle spasms for awhile after back surgery.

  • greyeagle

    Perry I believe can bring in the Evangelicals, conservative Hispanics, Jews (he has a relationship there) and a lot of conservatives. He may also bring in a number of conservative African Americans. He has a great working relationship with minorities. If he does get the nomination, I suspect he will have a minority as a running mate. Col. Allen West of Florida would be a good one. Both are straight spoken and true patriots.

  • msjallen

    where you are coming from and can agree with you to some degree. But lets face it, we have a two party system (sadly) so you know where the majority of the votes are going. So if you vote outside of those two parties you are giving your vote away and it is not counted as to who will be the next president. I wish this method could change and maybe in the future We the People can get it changed. But in the meantime, please vote against 0 and unfortunately that means we have to vote for the Repulican nominee. Our responsibility is to get through to the GOP that we don’t want Mitt. I emphasis him since he is one of the front runners at this time. I like Perry and would like to see him win but I also like the way Newt thinks and respect his knowledge of our government.

  • msjallen

    everytime I hear that statement about helping yourself before God helps. It is so against the Word of God. There is nothing in the Bible that supports that blasphemous saying. It is God who helps the helpless and we ARE helpless — we are nothing without God.

    Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him; And He will make your paths straight.
    Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
    Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the LORD, ?Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD
    Ephesians 6:10 -Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me
    Ps 86:7 In the day of my trouble I will call upon You, For You will answer me.
    Psalm 31:3 For You are my rock and my fortress; for Your name?s sake You will lead me and guide me.

  • jgge

    They can ban me from this site but I still would not vote for President if Perry or Gingrich is not the nominee.

  • nathanalbright

    …in that you assume that Southerners (and that is a large core of the conservative Republicans) would like New England Yankee culture better if they knew it. I suspect that is not the case (though I am a “border Southerner” from a “border Northern” state being German and Scot-Irish, and a lot of other things from the piedmont area of Appalachian Western Pennsylvania. The South doesn’t really like public transportation (see Houston’s danger train), and isn’t likely to feel very nicely about Beltway and New England types who like a little socialism mixed with their moderate conservatism.

  • avagreen

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+TRUTH+IS+OUT+THERE%3b+SOFTWARE+PROGRAM+CLAIMS+TO+DETECT+LIES.+BUT…-a083834720

    The prospect of Truster or similar programs installed on thousands of home and business PCs, however, worries traditional polygraph specialists. They argue that even if the technology is sound – which many of them question – untrained individuals convinced they can divine another’s honesty is a recipe for disaster.

    “If it were being marketed as a novelty, that would be one thing,” said Frank Horvath, a criminology professor at Michigan State University’s School of Criminal Justice. “But people will use this for making real-life serious decisions, believing it really works.”

    Truster’s developers insist it does work – by analyzing the stress in a person’s voice…

    “Computer voice stress analyzers attempt to report voice stress modulation. And simply put, the statistics clearly suggest they lack reliability,” said Joseph Buckley, president of John E. Reid and Associates Inc., a Chicago-based firm that specializes in investigative interviewing and interrogation techniques.

    Even VE’s own tests seem inconclusive. An analysis of Clinton’s statements on the Monica Lewinsky affair found the president to be highly excited but truthful when he denied sexual relations with the intern, the company said before Monday’s televised confessional.

    “You have to understand, (Truster’s) response was based on what Clinton determines a sexual relationship is,” Mauro said. “He probably didn’t have one in his own mind.”

    A follow-up test on Clinton’s confession found the president to be highly stressed throughout but mostly honest, Mauro said. Truster raised a red flag at Clinton’s statement that the Whitewater issue was behind him, and it said the president was unsure on the assertion that setting things straight with his family and God was his top priority.

    While traditional polygraph tests record and analyze a variety of vital signs, including pulse, respiration and blood pressure, Truster relies on a single signal. And its critics say that makes it an inherently less reliable source of data.

    “There’s some evidence to suggest there may be something in vocal signals that could be extracted that’s useful, but there’s no evidence Truster or any other program has any value or is able to do this,” Horvath said.

    But that doesn’t mean Truster won’t be a hit with consumers, he said.

    “I actually think people are going to gobble it up,” Horvath said. “People want to believe.”

    Should Truster flourish, legal experts say its use will almost certainly be challenged in court.

  • nathanalbright

    Oh yeah, he made himself look really good on that one. No thanks. Clinton played him like a tin whistle making a run against an obstructionist do-nothing Congress.

  • trickamsterdam

    how about this on Romney:

    “But I?ve never said I won?t vote for him. Besides, he?s as pro-choice as Obama so the life argument is wildly inappropriate in his case.” – streiff

    He’s as pro-choice as Obama? That’s simply provably untrue. He’ll appoint pro-life appointees to AG, Fed Judges, sign any pro life legislation that gets to his desk, even trying to repeal Obamacare can be considered pro life. Granted, he may do most of this out of political self-survival (as many Ds vote pro choice when many times they’d probably rather not), but there’s little reason to think that if a man as smart as even his enemies acknowledge he is, WANTS A SECOND TERM,, he would be “as pro choice as Obama”.

    I can’t tell who the mods are here, but apparently you are one. Whatever, you provably make no sense (at least on this thread).

    PS – You can’t prove a negative, so I won’t even get into your arguments on Cain’s character. But they are utterly ridiculous, and basically allow the MSM to select our nominees for us (IMO).

  • sterling2

    Macphisto96 :

    You are RIGHT about Mitt Romney ! He’s the best choice , and Obama, that gutless boy-wonder isn’t even a man compared to him.

    Why all the negativity about Romney I just can’t understand.

    I wish every person here would just stop and realize : whether a candidate is pro-life or pro-choice isn’t going to matter when it comes to leading this country well. How he feels about those things isn’t going to solve the economic crisis, creat jobs, protect us from the enemy, or get back respect for America.

    It’s a stupid, stupid thing to pick a president by how religious or pro-life he is. We need someone we can count on to understand how to get things done and who is strong.

    What’s really so wrong about Romney ? If your biggest gripe is that he’s a “flip-flopper ” then you are being foolish because his good qualities far make up for his perceived flaws. If you want a Republican you are missing your chances if you count him out.

    I see him as a very good choice :

    Romney is a very intelligent person,has great experience as both a businessman and a governor, knows how to make things happen, has great faith in God ( Christian ) ,is an elequant speaker,,is a devoted family man, having 5 children and 16 grandchildren, loves and believes in America ; he’s a sincere patriot and THAT is wonderful, he looks presidential and IS PRO-LIFE !!

    What are you looking for -absolute perfection ? It seems people want to find everything wrong with him WHY ?? He seems like the very best choice to me. Newt Gingrich 2nd choice .

    You’d better have a little faith and start concerntrating on Mitt’s good qualities, because he just may be your nominee. Those qualities ARE there. And don’t believe the ditto-head writers and pesimists. GIVE HIM A CHANCE .

  • sterling2

    ESQUP17 : Amen , brother–Romney is a really dynamic man and is a true patriot. The people who are so full of vitrial and spite against him probably haven’t really bothered to find out just what he’s really about. These assembly-line talkers are just picking up on some notion they have read or heard and that’s what they believe–they dont actually know what he’s like–they just enjoy thinking the worst.

    I say to all you saintly religious sticklers–get your head out of your behind and WAKE UP ! Mitt Romney is a decent conservative, so quit your ignorant whining .

    And what the heck does his hair have to do with anything ? Make up your mind–are you going to appreciate nice hair or try to find something wrong with it ? His hair is no big deal–he parts it and combs it–just like every other man. Maybe you’d rather have a president who MUST keep his hair super-short like Obama , because if he grew it it would look like what they used to call an “afro”.

    Lets see-what else can you hate Romney for ? Hmm-oh-he has money ! Nowadays that’s a sin so you must belittle him for that.

    I’d like to make a new law : KEEP RELIGION AND ABORTION OUT OF GOVERNMENT . If you want to talk about those things go to church or something . BE REALISTIC. If you don’t stop using those measuring sticks to pick a candidate the Reblican party will NEVER get a good president .

  • esquip17

    Some of you guys are forgetting we have a lot of indipendents to get throught. How do you think some of these comments would play in the Washington Post. People are already saying that the tea party is creating a third party and exerts undue influence in the GOP. Some of these posts are too extreme to have the necessary influence. Good luck with the Perry campaign, but I think the guy has a drug problem.

  • btpull

    Everyone else is fighting for 3rd place. If you cannot stand Romney, rally around Cain.

  • politicalqrm

    I can’t and won’t vote for him. I’ll sit out that one vote.

    This time, the GOP establishment can go jump in the lake. There will be no “coming together” on my part.

    I voted for Dole, I voted for McCain…no more..

  • heraklios

    I hear Daily Kos and Huffington Post and also TPM are looking for bloggers

  • denoff51

    After reading the article and every single response, I see that I can expect four more years of Obama. I guess I can live without electricity, Doctors, Energy and Food until 2016. Actually, none of the canidates in 2016 will be good enough so we will end up with VP Bite Me. Great…….

  • bzip

    You lost your marbles, Cain is going down slowly and is a disaster, a walking inexperienced scandal and gaffe machine.

    I suggest that people who want a experienced, consistent conservative with over 10 years of governing experience and has the proven leadership to get this country back on its feet – support and vote for Rick Perry

  • circlegranch

    Well, sterling2, welcome to my world, and the worlds of supporters of all the candidates, for that matter. Your post is a plea to voters to just give Mitt a chance; he’s good and decent, loves America, etc. The fact is, we HAVE given Mitt Romney a good long look and we’ve done our homework on him, and thusly, 75% of us selected other candidates. For all the great qualities he possesses–and granted, a solid marriage and devoted father rank very high–those qualities have kept Obama’s personal popularity ratings high, Mr. Romney has a political hill to climb. As president, will he adhere to the conservative values he is now espousing once elected? For all the goodness we know about him, pointed political questions about governance remain unanswered based on his record of not sticking to one side of an issue.

    As a Perry supporter, I’ve tried here (as many have) to compel all readers to LOOK AT THE MAN’S RECORD. Results matter. He’s been compared to Mitt in terms of debate expertise but go back and find some old footage of Mitt even in ’08 and its clear why he’s devoted the past 5 years to practicing and fine tuning his camera image. Rick Perry’s a little busy these days, not just running for president from a standing start, but as the working governor of Texas; a state with a booming economy, jobs growth and a host of new legislation that benefits vets. Some distractions he’d had going into debates have included having thousands of acres of his state on fire, and on another occasion, the FBI had just made a big terrorist bust. We don’t know what else may have been in play at the time the curtains rose on debate nights. MSNBC is reporting this morning that the horror of the story out of Penn State ‘may reach to Texas’. Without details, I don’t know what that means but perhaps there is something to it and that might have played a role in Perry’s loss for words the other night. I realize none of that matters. Being president requires a focused and sharp mind and human error is seldom forgiven.

    Your emotional post here is admirable in its declaration of devotion, and I’ll spare you the laundry list of reasons why Rick Perry should be the nominee because you’ve made your choice and clearly won’t change. I will tell you in all sincerity that prior to supporting Gov. Perry, I felt it necessary as one that clings to my religion, family, patriotism and guns in that order, that I had a responsibility to look at each potential candidate with a very discerning and open mind. I vowed not to let emotional catch phrases such as ‘most electable’ or ‘looks presidential’ overshadow sense and reason. I seached for the person with a proven, current track record. Admittedly, early on I was attracted to the leadership qualities and proven experiece of true grassroots persons, none of which entered the race. Last summer when speculation continued to rise as to whether or not Rick Perry would run (and hacks like Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter were stealthily engraving his name on their swords), I believed him when he sounded reluctant. I’d followed his career and observed it extensively and when he said ‘no’, I felt he meant ‘no’. Something happened, first his wife encouraged him to run and then Newt’s team walked off the job and went to Texas and said it was time for Gov. Perry to serve the nation. Several Republican governors chimed in and so it was.

    I wish I knew why it is that God hasn’t intervened and blessed Gov. Perry with the ability to speak to the nation in these debates in a way that would have inspired. If you watch any of his ads or his sit-down interviews, you’ll see an entirely different man. Something is at play here in this primary that’s bigger than all of us and that’s Divine Intervention. On a lower level, there’s also a powerful political game being played which some of us here have predicted for a goodly long while and that is, it’s Romney’s turn according to the Establishment ruling class of the GOP and many other potentially remarkable candidates we’d also hoped to see run, declined. We do not know at this point whom will prevail on the Republican side but because of your commitment to it being Gov. Romney, let me respectively leave you with two closing thoughts, both of which will be beneficial to your goal:

    First, your efforts to recruit voters for Mitt should begin with direct contact to his high profile supporters such as Ann Coulter. She was a guest on Hannity’s radio show yesterday and her tone is so condescending toward others in the race and she made some remarkably stupid, non-conservative statements. She noted that Gov. Perry could ‘be a hero’ if he’d withdraw now and send all his money to Romney. Talk about the audacity of hope! That money is intended to elect Rick Perry. If we’d wanted to line Romney’s coffers, that’s where the checks would have gone. Without even one vote being cast, she assumes nobody can touch her guy and with the blessing of her endorsement, its over. It may well be, but her arrogance and elitism is frankly despicable. Next, she goes on to implore us with the statement that Romney can only be as bad as G.W.Bush and after all, America, which would you rather have, 4 more of Obama or a repeat of Bush? 5 trillion dollars ago, we all would have screamed for more Bush in unison, but Bush overspent ALOT. This time, we didn’t have to settle for another moderate Republican, Ann! Have you been so busy drinking martini’s a trendy NYC clubs and pedaling your latest book to notice that something called the Tea Party has happened since Bush? The election in ’12 is a referendum on Obama and the Bush era of spending! Where’ve you been? America is running into a brick wall and while your guy claimed at the Bloomberg debate that the collapse of the EU was ‘hypothetical’, there is a grave emergency going on in the world economy. Bush’s spending wouldn’t fly now, either, so why insult us by saying Romney won’t be any worse! Again, with all due respect, sterling2, if you want to promote Mitt’s candidancy and sing his praises, tell people like Ms. Coulter to put a sock in it because she is not resonating with the average conservative voter. She was dismissive of Newt yesterday because she knows he could give Romney a horse race. She also fears Cain so she’s quick to add him to the Romney ticket as VP which quickly solves that problem. There’s still a few of us left that are sick and tired of people like Coulter and Hannity and others in high profile positions of influence, telling us what we should and shouldn’t think. That cat got out of the bag yesterday also when Frank Luntz told Hannity that people in his focus groups want to hear Hannity’s opinions because it helps them shape their own. I guess if you live your life running with the herd and accepting its mentality on all things, you’re comfortable with allowing these types to essentially run the country. Yesterday I posted there that I believe the media, both Right and Left, is becoming nothing more than a branch of the federal govt based on their overreach, power and influence. We are a media-driven society and just as our young folks believe everything they hear and see coming from TV and their music, their parents take the rhetoric of the cable networks and celebrity talk show hosts and guests hook, line and sinker, as well.

    The final point I want to make here, sterling2, is that if Mitt Romney wins the nomination and ultimately becomes the president, you and his supporters will owe a tiny debt of thanks to Rick Perry for this reason: Gov. Perry signed law this past summer that ensures Texas active duty deployed military personnel get ballots on time and that their votes will be counted.

    May God bless your day.

  • Vaughn Harold

    on Perry until HE, not you, proves that he has a vision for this country that HE can articulate in a debate. HE admitted it himself.

  • Bill S

    We’ll really miss all the value you’ve added over the last month.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The front-pagers are green. We plebeians are black.

  • jakeofalltrades

    One wonders what we did to be created in the first place.

  • pttx333

    Perry said. I heard it myself, so I know that he said: If you want a President who is a good debater, then I’m not your guy. PERIOD,

    That is hardly what you said, nor does it mean that he hasn’t and doesn’t articulate clearly his vision for this country. Either you aren’t looking and listening, or you prefer to hear only every other word, maybe.

  • Vaughn Harold

    need him to know his own vision for this country, and when he can’t articulate that in a live debate, even poorly, it draws all kinds of uncertainty as to whether he’s just another mouthpiece puppet like Romney.

    This is not an unfair interpretation.

    Just to make it clear, currently my support for the candidates is at:

    Cain 40%
    Perry 30%
    Newt 15%
    Romney15%

    These numbers change as I listen and watch, but I can find great things about each one to support. I’ll never be 100% anyone because each one is not perfect.

  • texasroots

    I do not watch Letterman. Thanks.

  • pttx333

    debater, then why harp on it ad infinitum? You’re only throwing spaghetti on the ceiling to see how much will stick. Well, news flash – it ain’t stickin’ anywhere that I see.

    You’re free to vote for your candidate of choice, that is your right and your privilege. I do firmly request that you quit trying to nail MY choice to the proverbial cross – NOW. You are not gaining anything by doing so – nada, zip.

  • Vaughn Harold

    that is set at 100% on one candidate.

    I’m not harping on anything. I’m simply stating the obvious thought process that most undecided’s are going through.

    I don’t think this has done Perry in, mainly because he has shown considerable improvement in this area. Why do you think I still have him at 30%. I’m wanting him to get it together.

  • dcacklam

    Of the serious candidates:
    Herman Cain is ‘BJ Bill in a Republican Suit’
    Mitt Romney is ‘John Waffle-House Kerry in a Republican Suit’
    Newt is, well, Newt… And Newt won’t sell well with the middle, due to his association with the most universally despised branch of govt (US Congress).

    Of the ‘rest’:

    Ron Paul genuinely wants to see the downfall of America, in the name of ‘freedom’
    Michelle Bachman is just nuts (anti-vac, anti-census, etc)
    John Huntsman is more liberal than Romney
    And Rick Santorum? Sorry, he just can’t win.

    Perry has more of the ‘right’ policy positions than Romney, has NO association with Congress, and has actual executive experience.

    He also seems to be essentially scandal-free (Sorry, but adding Guardasil to the list of required shots, and wanting to build more freeways do NOT count as scandals… A/O Cain’s sexual problems, for example…) …

    The only problem? The guy doesn’t do well with debates… And how many debates does the President have to engage in, while in office? Last I checked, none…

    We have a track-record as a multi-term governor to use as a ‘measuring stick’ of Perry’s executive skills…

    We have his policies – he’s been up front about those – and generally spot-on (save from the ‘keep the current progressive tax’ part of his tax plan, and the ‘hard money’ stuff)…

    And we can be pretty sure that he’ll appoint conservatives to the cabinet & courts…

    That’s what we need from him…

    All his ‘debate performances’ tell us, is that he’ll be more like W Bush in terms of media relations (Press Conferences only when absolutely needed, the media can go pier-walking the rest of the time) than BJ or Obama (the President’s dog got a haircut – call a press conference)….

  • bzip

    It still seems you favor style over substance. Can you honestly tell me that Cain is really good at articulating his message, he maybe a good speaker but not good at articulating his message and vision.

    Cain still can’t explain his 999 plan without a major disaster and seems to needs to change it all the time. What is worse though is Cain’s answer to everything is: 999 he has no other vision, no other message other than 999. There is no substance in Cain and 999.

    Though Perry may fumble he can clearly articulate his message, his vision very well in any and all interviews (if you hadn’t watch a Perry interview I suggest you better before jumping to conclusions). Perry has a huge message, a beautiful vsion with lost of substance from reform tax with flat tax plan to a balance the budge plan to a energy plan and can clearly articulate his message via interviews and in debates that have different formats like the Iowa forum (I suggest you watch the Iowa forum):

    Perry?s Iowa Debate Forum:
    http://youtu.be/FeKKY-sVLgU

  • Vaughn Harold

    Other than that I agree with what you’ve said.

  • bzip

    Good for you, your assessment is very nice. Anyone that doubts Perry is the only logical choice needs to step back and look at the overall situation, do research watch Perry’s interviews and look at his record – there is only one choice, only one conclusion that Perry should be the next President.

  • retire05

    when have you seen Obama have to deal with substance live and in person since he was elected POTUS?

    I must have missed all those debates since Obama took office. Perhaps you can give me a link to the Obama/Netanyahu debate? We have a clown in office that takes three teleprompters to give a speech to 5th graders.

    So I guess you are not a fan of Thomas Jefferson?

  • pttx333

    Being a Perry supporter is nothing new for me. I have voted for him each and every time he has run for office, disagree with him very little, and am popping my buttons over his accomplishments. I have personally watched him, seen his accomplishments build through the years, know WHO he is and WHAT he is about – all of these things I KNOW for a fact because I’ve lived it. Now, given that, why on earth would I vote for another? I’ve never said that I didn’t like anyone else, it is just that my pick is and always has been Perry – and that is written in stone just like the Ten Commandments. Ain’t changin’ either. Because a bird in the hand is better than a bird in the bush – I’ve had a bird in the hand lo these many years so why would jump off into the wilderness to grab a bird in the bush?

  • charleyo

    Perry for Presiden of Mexico!

  • Vaughn Harold

    getting elected either.

    I’m a substance guy, but I don’t underestimate my opponents.

  • charleyo

    According to polls at Real Clear Politics, illegal aliens support Perry by margins of 99% to 1%.
    The solution is for Texas to secede, which Perry has already publicly advocated.
    Then the twenty million illegal aliens in America could all move to Texas. Consider the upsides. Every Texan would have a maid, a gardener and a short order cook. A chicken in every pot and a brain freezer in every home!

  • charleyo

    Karl Rove was W’s brain. Who is willing to take credit for Perry’s brain?

  • retire05

    Herman Cain’s whole campaign is built around 9-9-9, right? And while 9-9-9 sounds more like a pizza company slogan, it seems Cain can’t articulate his own plan. Why is that? Why are you not holding his feet to the fire over his lack of being able to articulate his own plan or the fact that he seems clueless as to how the sausage is made in D.C. but wants us to let him run the sausage factory?

    This is the problem I have with those who support Cain. Yes, I can admit that Perry made a horrible gaffe at the debate. One that we have all made. But the difference between Perry and Cain is that Perry is admitting he “stepped in it” while Cain blames everyone but the Devil himself for Cain’s problems.

    If Cain can’t even articulate his own tax plan, why should Perry be held to a higher standard than Cain?

  • pttx333

    to death. You’ve lost the argument going in, so put on your jammies and take a nap now.

  • annplato

    I don’t know how intelligent is to promote a Rick Perry? All the regulars keep on saying, ?wait for the next debate”, Perry will get it together and make a comeback. That is SO asinine! He GOT IN riding high and he blew it all. Not because he wanted to but because he is INEPT!!!

    I have no fear of him being a good president; he most certainly would be, but to GET there he HAS to outdebate OBAMA!!! THAT he seems incapable of doing.

    Everyone wants to make excuses for him, EVEN the liberal psychoanalysts, but fact remains FACT: he can’t think quickly enough so when he loses his train of thought to be able at least to cover it up. He would be a laughing stock if he would get to face with Obama in a debate monitored by the MSM! Why can’t you Perry fanatics just humbly accept that we CANNOT afford to take a chance on Perry!

  • pttx333

    when you get some facts together, maybe you can have a successful debate with someone. Until that time, I reiterate – get over yourself!

  • Ann_W

    Give me a break, you are arguing against him with a point that you have no idea about. He spent probably hundreds of hours helping less fortunate people in his unpaid clerical position. The NYT ran an article detailing some people’s memories of how he sat by the bed of a dying son, etc. What, is he supposed to go around telling people about good deeds he’s done?

    Also, ridiculous is criticizing him about the dog thing. Dogs favorite place in a car is to have their head out the window, so on a SUMMER vacation to have their cage strapped to the roof of the car hardly seems like a hardship. When I was growing up the most common place to see a dog was in the back of a truck with his head hanging to the side. Now I live in the snooty NEast so people don’t have pick up trucks, not sure if people still do that.

    The non-charitable argument is not accurate against Romney.

  • nnisey

    Michele Bachman is the only true consertative,She does not flipflop on issues. Bachman has demonstrated courage and leadership by putting principle first, speaking out, not following the party line. Independence is not tolerated.
    Women are put down, called stupid,nuts,dumb,not qualitified while men are automatically exhalted and praised. Eventually even women start to believe the lies.
    Men do not really want a woman to be president.
    During the debates most of the attention has been focused on Romney and Perry,Now Cain is getting attention.Unless people do their own research,these debates fall far short of educating the public and revealing the candidates records and exprience..

  • bzip

    I don’t think you have ever seen Obama without a teleprompter and I don’t think you have read what I wrote yesterday;

    Debates are not the only thing that decides how elections are won or lost, not by a long shot. If anyone doubts that Perry can speak to the America people I think you need to watch Perry?s interviews and how he is handling this campaign crisis. Perry can handle himself very well; he can speak to the American people very honestly and openly as he has been doing in his interviews.

    All the candidates have flaws; there isn?t a perfect candidate out there. Perry has the most experience, the most consistent proven conservative record with over 10 years of governing experience. Perry basically carries no baggage and his only flaw is his debate performances. Debate skills can be improved and surely are not the only component that can win or leose elections. Baggage, inexperience can play a vital role in determining elections so anyone that makes the argument that Perry would lose to Obama because he can?t debate better think twice about all the other candidates and their baggage. In fact Obama without a teleprompter is far worse than anything you could think of in a debate.

    Perry clearly can articulate his message, can clearly communicate very well in his interviews and in a debate forum in which the format is given to substance i.e. watch the Iowa debate forum in which candidates are given time to answer with substance and you will clealrly see Perry can articulate his message very well.

    The bottom line though, every candidate has flaws. Anyone claiming the Perry flaws are worse and would cost the election is being very biased and isn?t taking into accounts the flaws and baggage of all the other candidates.

    The question you must ask yourself is: Who is the most conservative candidate that is the least flawed and has a greatest chance of beating Obama. I think if you are being honest and look at the record your answer will be Rick Perry.

    We must unite to defeat Romney and then Obama. We also must unite to give strength to the candidate, Perry in the continued campaign battle.

    Obama lost without a teleprompter

  • acat

    My take is that he hit the right notes, not necessarily for conservatives, but for Letterman’s audience.

    Seems to this cat Perry’s got a sense of humor that he needs to let out more. Quirky, maybe.. but that’ll beat wooden. (just ask President Dole …)

    Mew

  • texasroots

    Hispanics will elect the next president. Perry did not advocate to secede. A person in the crowd posed the question to secede, and Perry said he could understand the frustration this individual felt. Perry never called for nor advocated to secede, he rejected that notion.

    Ay caramba!

  • Vaughn Harold

    I with EE on this, Cain needs a new communication director and he also needs to learn to keep his mouth closed, but Cain seems to like handling all his unforced mistakes, I’m not going to change that.

  • pttx333

    and get ready for a very long and extended one coming right up. Regardless of who you vote for, which is your absolute right, you’re so dead wrong and your desperation is very revealing. Thanks for all of the clues you spiel as to who you are, and ones that we all know so very well.

  • texasroots

    I loved it, still LOL.

  • notpropagandized

    There’s no question that he is conservative. Mitt is probably conservative, but he hurt his own brand governing as a liberal in a liberal state and now flip-flops in the majors. Comparatively, Herman has no record of governance. The biggest fear with Cain is that if he garners the political following and then falters late, he would defer to Romney instead of the anti-Romney next in line. Or that he is simply the stalking horse or shill for Romney.

    With Perry, Texans plus a few others know what they’ll get. We all know what we’ll get with Gingrich. The problem with Romney and more recently with Cain, it’s like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’ll get.

  • izoneguy

    Funny,

    Texas would probably do better by joining up with Mexico and leaving the blue states to rot in the United Socialist States of Amerika….

  • 1bunny

    asked about his lobbying days? Here is Jack Abramoff (the convicted lobbyist) just out of prison and with a book he’s making the rounds promoting about the scandal of payoffs etc in DC and not one question to Cain about his days as a lobbyist and did he know J.A. The medias bias is unbelievable. If you had somone with a possible connection to a BIG scandal wouldn’t you ask them about it? Especially if it’s your job to do so? No questions on Cain’s lobbying days. Why not? Is it to help sell him as an outsider then when convenient to help Romney or BO will it get emphasized to no end? When Cain mentions the NRA it never sounds like a lobbying firm. It just sounds like a group that you belong to if you have a restaurant so you can get great discounts on ordering supplies or something. I admit when I first heard of the NRA I didn’t know it was a lobbying firm (call me naive but I bet a lot of people think that way). It was only as I looked into Cain to make an informed decision that I found out he was a lobbyist and the head one at that. Cain took the NRA from a not so great orginization to one of the more powerful lobbying firms in DC. In my opinion that makes him a Washington insider and calling himself an outsider is a lie.

  • pttx333

    Letterman last night since I was in that coma I sorely needed and have been wondering how it went. Well, thanks to you, now I know. WOW! Perry knocked it out of the park. What you see is p.e.r.s.o.n.a.l.i.t.y oozing from every pore. That is why he was a yell leader at A&M, that is why he works crowds so well, and why everyone loves him. Did you hear the crowd? They loved it, and so did I.

    Did you know that he has played the drums with ZZ Top? Well, he is and pretty good at it, too. He also plays the piano, Beethoven no less. You can’t be a dunce sitting in the corner to accomplish all of the things he has accomplished.

    Forgive my wild-eyed postings last night! I was so exhausted and wired at the same time, but am back to old self today – haven’t figured out yet whether that is good or bad. ;-)

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    My grandmother was one of 8 daughters born into a Roman Catholic family in Poland. She came to this country alone at age 17. She started her own business, family, and achieved her American dream.

    My father started his own business at age 55 when most people plan for retirement. He prospered and built a factory. When one of his employees became flooded out from a storm, he put me in the car, with blankets, food and clothing, and we went to help her family.

    This is the stock I came from. And my family lived with faith in God and faith in the principle, God Helps Those who Help Themselves. If this makes me and the generations of my family blasphemers, it’s a label I’ll proudly wear.

    I believe Barack Obama’s policies are disastrous for this country, and he’s pitting American against American, tearing apart our social fabric.

    So I repeat, while you’re busy praying for divine intervention, I’m going to be out there working to convince my neighbors, friends and strangers to vote for the Republican alternative, whether Mitt, Newt, Rick or Herman. Period.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    Hey, I said I wasn’t trying to make much of it!!!

  • bzip

    My guess, if Cain actually gets the nomination (god help us if he does) the real vetting will start by the liberal media on Cain.

    There are many questionable areas in Cain past, some of which has been very lightly mentioned in the media without much attention and some with no mention BUT in the general the poop will hit the fan and Cain will be down the gutter giving way to Obama’s 2nd term

  • pttx333

    for you. Prayers, you better bet, yes, but you must get off up your own fanny and DO something to help yourself. God never intends that we sit on our butts with our hands out waiting for someone to drop a handout in it. Have you ever heard of (paraphrasing here): “Give a man a fish and he will eat today; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.” Your analogies don’t fit in this mind of mine with the subject at hand – maybe I’m dense. But we work, we pray and provide for ourselves the best we can. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. Sometimes we choose correctly, sometimes we don’t. Lesson learned, hopefully. That is life in the fast lane. Make sense?

  • pttx333

    You come from wonderful stock, just as do I. And your take is the same as mine. Thank you for the story!

  • pttx333

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  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    . . . it seems you just want to argue with me because I support Romney. But if you read my posts – you’ll realize we agree on some things.

    To your first point – my point is that Rick Perry was asked whether he would end the federal loan program. What he said though, was that we should “force” institutions to hold down the cost of tuition. Now I agree with Perry, that Governors should do that with state funded schools under their control. My next point was (agreeing with you based on your subject and first paragraph) that doesn’t neccessarily help us with all of the private institutions out there, nor is it a federal issue for the President of the USA to inteject themselves with state-funded universities or private institutions; however Perry didn’t make that distinction in the debate and answered the question about what he would do/should do as the person ultimately with control of the UT system, so I believe it was a poor answer by him that wasn’t germane to “what will you do as President about the cost of college”.

    As for your point about Sallie Mae, I am not sure what your point is? Sallie Mae is actually a fully private company, and has been since the 90s – yes it started as a GSE like Fannie and Freddie, but is different now. Now what was done in Obamacare was to not allow Sallie or other private student lenders like Nelnet to “originate” federally backed loans. This was a good example of why the “public option” was so dangerous, because the “public option” for student loans (Direct Loan Program) was created in the 90s, and of course became the “only option” b/c of Obamacare,

    As for your second paragraph – re-read what I wrote above and you’ll see, you agree with me. The student loan programs have basically enabled all institutions (public and private) to endlessly raise tuition.

    Of course, I recognize that Romney has some trust issues – that is evident in his polling, as well as evident if one reads this board. Yet – he is still polling on average 15 pts higher than Rick Perry – with the reason Perry being so low, is because we have had a string of inarticulate candidates (from Dole to W to McCain) that couldn’t articulate a positive agenda, nor deconstruct the arguments of the other side. Perry has shown, like Bush, that he is not able to articulate a compelling vision either, not effectively deconstruct the policies of his rivals.

    Now – my plea to this board, is that at the end of the day, you do have to look at the total picture. I think one of the biggest mistakes we made in the 2010 election cycle was simply jumping on the band wagon of whomever claimed to be the “most conservative” candidate – and that was regardless of their past history, their life/working experiences, the things they may have said, and their ability to make a compelling argument and not scare people. Example #1 is Christine O’Donnell – who may have had positions more conservative than Michael Castle, but was she actually a good candidate, with experiences relevant to being a US Senator? The answer was an unequivocal no – she was an embarrassment that actually became a huge distraction and probably cost Pat Toomey votes around the Philly area. Example #2 was Sharon Angle. Harry Reid is the most odius man in America. And we had a great opportunity to remove him. Yet, instead of making the safer choice with Lowden or Tarkanian, we went with the ideologically pure Sharon Angle. From making a gaffe a day, to running and hiding from the press, to having said things in the past that were ripe from attack – we chose poorly, and the result was Harry Reid was reelected for another 6 years. And I gave money to Sharon Angle, Ken Buck too – not O’Donnell though. My point has always been – the best candidate is not always the most conservative candidate. The Marco Rubio’s, Rand Paul’s and Pat Toomey’s are in a DIFFERENT class than O’Donnell, Angle, and Buck – and at the end of the day, we didn’t gain anything by losing in those three winnable races. In case of the former 3, they were the best candidates and the most conservative.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I think Cain is done.

    It’s easy to say that these accusations can happen to anyone, but we don’t hear them happening to Mitt or Rick or Newt so I’m not sure I buy that. Okay, Newt marries his mistakes so that’s a bit of a cheat.

    Perry is going to have to move heaven and earth over the next six weeks if he has a chance.

    My bet is that we’ll have a President Gingrich in 2012.

    America (for better or worse) DOES focus on debate performances and it’s a lot easier as a GOP stalwart to point my independents at a debate and say “Watch this” and have Newt on the tube vs Obama instead of Perry.

    If I could pick someone to be President, it would be Mitch Daniels.

    If I could pick someone out of this crowd to be President, it would Rick Perry.

    Unfortunately, I have to get someone ELECTED and I’m not sure we can do that after the brain freeze the other day.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    The issue is that Bachmann is a bit too petty to be president.

    She has two or three issues. That doesn’t make her laser focused, it makes her an inch wide and a mile deep, but that doesn’t work for a President.

  • acat

    I recall Sen. Biden saying that about someone…not the most ringing of endorsements, but Biden got a good job out of it.

    Tell me, candi-bot, what position are you hoping for in the Romney administration?

    Mew

  • Common_Cents

    His top 3 excuses should have been:

    1. Tsunami

    2. Arab Spring

    3. Euro financial contagion.

    Obama should be on Letterman with all his pathetic excuses, ‘cept it wouldn’t be funny, Obama was serious about his excuses.

  • retire05

    He said:

    “I don’t think the federal government should be in the business of paying for programs and building up huge debt out there.”

    This is a solid 10th Amendment stance. There is NO Constitutional authority for the federal government to be taking money from one citizen to lend to another citizen for college tuitions. As a matter of fact, the DoE is unconstitutional on its face. No where in the Constitution does it deal with education and that issue falls to the states alone.

    Part of the reason, and perhaps the most important reason, that university tuition are up is due to the easy money provided by the federal government in the form of student loans. Universities are not being forced to be fiscally responsible, paying professors for classes not taught, students not educated. Allowing professors to rape the system by taking a pay check from not only the taxpayer, but from research groups as well, cheats the student and the taxpaying public. Professorial salaries are absurd. Universities, like Harvard, are holding BILLIONS sponsor accounts (The University of Texas just bought $1 billion in gold that is being stored in New York). Yet with all those funds, just sitting in gold bullion, tuitions continue to increase and students are graduating with more and more debt.

    Get the federal government out of the credit business and see how quickly those private institutions become competitive. When they have to compete with state universities, they will bring their tuition costs down. The prestige of having a degree from Harvard, Yale, Columbia or any of the other tony universities has been proven, time after time, now worth it dollar wise. A graduate of the University of Texas Law School actually earns more in the first five years of practice than a graduate of Harvard Law School (feel free to look it up). How do you then justify the cost?

    Now, you may put a lot of stock into a candidates ability to articulate his positions. Frankly, that is really not of great importance. Record is, and on that, Mitt Romney falls quite short. Romney did not win in the state of John Kerry (who I consider to be a traitor to this nation, as well as a liar) and Ted Kennedy (who should have been prosecuted for neglectful homicide) because he was a solid core conservative. He wasn’t. And his record upholds that. He was elected because he related to the liberal leanings of his state, and because he had name power, much like Ted Kennedy.

    You also point to a president you consider “unarticulate”, George W. Bush. Yet, Bush led this nation in a time of crisis that speaks to his ability to lead. Obama, on the other hand, is articulate (at least with TOTUS) yet has not been a leader, but more a promoter of his Marxist ideals. Obamacare is a prime example of Obama’s failure to lead. He did not write his own plan, instead allowing his Congressional lapdogs to do it for him.

    The use of Christine O’Donnell is a bad example. O’Donnell, while possessing some great policy ideas, never had a chance. She needed seasoning, which she did not have. She was defeated on visuals, her young look that was equated to a lack of experience and therefor a lack of substance. Angle, her history, before she ran, was her problem. And the fact that Harry Reid brings home the bacon. Reid was the devil Nevadans knew, not the one they didn’t know.

  • onemovoter

    For example.. you probably didn’t know that she advocated and voted for a bill in the Minnesota senate that would let illegals pay in-state tuition for college. Sound familiar? It had all the same requirements that was passed down in Texas. Yet she was out there flaming Perry for signing off on the same thing.

    Her real downfall though was the Gardasil issue and repeating a story a lady told her that was nuts. As we all know, when you say idiotic stuff as a candidate, people will drop their support. Perry learned that when he said the “don’t have a heart” in a debate. That is when his support dropped big time. It remains to be seen if either candidate can recover.

    I’ve come across plenty of women that don’t want a woman as President. My mother just happens to be one, and she’s typical of the senior citizen group. I tend to be more thoughtful in my support, looking for someone that is a leader, because in order for a person to be successful as president, they have to be able to lead. Perry, Cain and Newt do have those qualities, although in slightly different ways.

  • d_lamar

    NT

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    for your kind words. Red State is one of my favorite sites because you can always find a thread or comment to get your BP going or your eyes rolling :-) .

  • Common_Cents

    Perry could have done a top 100 based on obama’s excuses.

    There is still time to do a smart funny ad based on obama’s excuses. People would eat it up.

  • Common_Cents

    Perry appears and addresses his mistake at the debate and offers his top 10 excuses.

    Goes on to show clips of Obama blaming arab spring, euro economy, tsunami, congress etc…..

    Then Perry saying, my mistake was in good fun, Obamas mistakes are destroying America.

    Do You want excuses from the CIC ? Or do you want action and solutions to get America back working again?

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    as we descend into absurdity with this thread.

  • celador2

    I do not care one hoot much less two how well Perry does in these media sponsored and efined ‘debates’. I was pleased to see him on TV saying he ould secure the border in a year, that he was sorry for past remarks.

    Perry has a flat tax not sales–GOOD. he would exit UN GOOD and does not care if rich get richer off his tax reform plans. He would balance the budget by 2020. His gut responses are consevative and frankly i wish voters would not be influenced by media and their debate formats. Listen to the man Rick Perry in non’debate’ setings.

    He is a conservative who grows jobs in Texas, and I like that too!

  • 1bunny

    for an ad. Go to rickperry.org or americans4perry or another PAC that supports Perry and send this to them. I would donate money for an ad like this ; ) I bet others would too.

  • bzip

    I like this idea. Wonder if there is away to get it developed for TV or for the Web

  • carolynr

    First … get yourself a real good virus/adware/malware system and get it installed in your computer. Second…when you address your e-mail…address to aa@aa.com and bcc to Undisclosed. Your Undisclosed will be a group, wherein you send your e-mails to a group of people and give them the aforementioned instructions and ask them to pass on. The aa@aa.com allows you to know that it went (it will come back undeliverable) and the Undisclosed will not allow the recipients to know who is on the list. So, when someone receives your e-mail…ask them to delete everything but the message and give them the above instructions. OK…now..here we go.

    I have a little e-mail that goes out with my little opinion piece and then I attach clips…just like the one I just heard on Perry. It never made the MSM…and it wouldn’t..Perry is not there guy. However, We The People…can get his interviews with EE and this Iowa thing and get it out there to the people. You would be surprised where these things find themselves. So…Perry supporters…want to help Perry get his ideas out where he makes a very good impression….start doing what I suggest. His ideas need to get out there and the MSM is interested in negativity…WE’RE INTERESTED IN SOLUTIONS AND CHARACTER. Oh…this little thing works wonders with Romney and his flip flops..

  • pttx333

    than welcome – it is only the truth I speak. Yep, you can always find out anything you want to know here, get into fights (LOL), debate, find friends, laugh a LOT – just super. Oh, forgot, great moderators so no vicious, vile stuff and anyone who lays it out there gets zapped! Neat, huh?

  • tyman

    Perry needs all the help he can get against the uninformed and the LSM.

  • snowshooze

    Well… nice try.
    But put you in a kennel box full of holes and one side a wire cage door… strap you to the roof and take an 8 hour cruise at 60+ MPH and I don’t think you would have held up as good as the dog.
    Sure, the dog loved it, that’s why it pooed all over the car.
    No hardship.
    In my family, if there wasn’t room in the car, my wife would rather strap ME to the roof and the dog would be riding shotgun and eating snacks. Yes, and sticking his nose out the window.

  • Common_Cents

    anyone else can copy/paste this ad idea to whatever perry emails you have.

  • barleycorn

    Beginning in verse 14 is told the parable of the talents.

    Three servants were given talents by their master. One was given 5 talents and made five more. The second was given two and made two more. The third was given one and he buried it. The first two were praised and the third was cursed.

    God hates slothfulness and he does indeed help those who help themselves.

    However, its real important to read the whole chapter so we all understand that “helping yourself” isn’t license to be selfish.

  • bonnman

    nt

  • usanovak

    I cannot accept Mitt Romney. RINO … just another Obama.

  • jakeofalltrades

    is that that axiom tends toward an interpretation that makes man the initiator, and God merely reacts to man’s desires.

    The Christian perspective is that God is the one who causes us to want to do good in the first place – including giving us the desire to pray – and He answers the prayer He caused you to pray in the first place, which He also caused you to act to fulfill.

    Yet another way of putting it is that prayers are only effective when made with faith, and faith always co-exists with actions that live it out. If you pray for something yet do nothing to help bring it about or prepare for its arrival, it could be argued that you did not have any faith your prayer would be answered, and so it won’t be.

    The axiom is therefore empirically true, but it implies completely incorrect mechanics under the hood.

  • jhobbes

    Old hat? How about the Perry/Aga Khan curriculum on Islam for Texas schools, a complete whitewash of Islam and jihad that was initiated and officially sanctioned by Perry himself.

    The Perry campaign obviously realized how damaging the curriculum could have been to their man’s chances, and so deleted it not only from the web but also from the Google cache, while Perry’s attack dogs on the web energetically spread misinformation and disinformation about the curriculum, while smearing those who called attention to the problems with it.

    Others who profess to be anti-Sharia decided that Perry’s sponsoring a whitewashed Islam curriculum was just fine, since his partner in doing so was the Aga Khan, a “moderate.”

    Some conservative bloggers, including erstwhile friends and allies, responded to Perry’s candidacy with cult-like devotion. One anti-jihad writer of some reputation for honesty about the reality of jihadist teachings and tendencies across the various Islamic sects suddenly discovered an obscure historian from the 1930s whose statements supposedly proved that the misleading and politically correct Perry Islamic curriculum for Texas schools was perfectly fine. Websites with a reputation for intellectual and journalistic rigor uncritically repeated to large audiences the falsehoods that were being spread about the curriculum.

    Pttx is right. Perry should not run for president of Mexico.That’s so old hat. He should run for president of the Islamic Republic of Texas. Is that new burqua enough for ya?

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    I am surprised we are still arguing about this. Maybe we should have you as our nominee since you can certainly articulate why college spending has increased, while higher education hasn’t adapted to a 21st century model that prepares students for a global economy. Again – I am in agreement with most of what you say, until you get into your Mitt Romney points – which like many on this board, just aren’t that factual – and basically are juts name-calling as opposed to pointing to specifics which I did above.

    First of all, Romney got into the race when the acting Governor, Republican Jane Swift, got rolled by the state legislature on a big tax hike. Romney was coming off leading the Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, which were in dire straights when he took over – in debt and reeling from scandal. Five months before the games was 9/11/2001, which introduced unprecedented new security challenges as well. As we all know, the games went great and finished in the black.

    Secondly, Romney didn’t win because he had “liberal leanings” he ran as a solid center-right business guy that would help the state become more efficient and better at attracting new businesses. Plus he ran well to the right of liberal Treasurer Shannon O’Brien. And in fact, the turning point in the campaign came in a debate moderated by Tim Russert , when O’Brien said it was okay to allow minors to get abortions – she memorably compared it to getting a tatoo.

    Did Romney govern as a hard right conservative? Umm, no. Because he couldn’t in a legislature that is 85% Democratic, so even his vetoes couldn’t be sustained. However, on balance when it comes to the state budget (no tax hikes/spending cuts), education (anti-union/pro-charter), bloated government (tried to reform many agencies and cabinets), energy/environment (more LNG, pulled out of RGGI, fought Cape Wind), illegal immigration (vetoed in-state tuition), military/nat’l guard (welcome home bill), drunk driving/crime (Melanie’s law) – the guy was a solid conservative. And, although Romneycare gets its share of grief (fairly in some respect I may add), it was more of a conservative response to how do we get the insured coverage, and how do we make sure there are NO freeriders – who could afford coverage, don’t and then show up and get treatment.

    Newt is articluate too – do you doubt he is smart, or that its not important how he can convince people of his position based on his historical (and accurate) anecdotes about Henry Ford and LBJ etc.? Being articulate is important, and is why Bush struggled to a slim victory in 2004, and didn’t do much with his presidency thereafter.

    On Christine O’Donnell. You aren’t serious right? Maybe you don’t but I look to accomplishments and life experience as opposed to just what a candidate says they believe. Mitt Romney was in business for 25 years – started Bain Capital and grew very wealthy, led the Salt Lake Olympics when they were in big trouble, and then became Governor of Massachusetts. Christine O’Donnell did what? Lead a couple of one person non-profist as president? Go on Bill Maher’s show to discuss masturbation, and then run as a gadfly candidate? Seriously – point blank if Christine O’Donnell were running for President right now against Mitt Romney, and she was the only alternative, would you vote for her?

  • changeforrickperry

    Thank you for invoking the Lord in this, circlegranch. It’s God who ultimately chooses our President–in fact, He’s already chosen who will get the nomination. He decided that before the foundation of the world.

    I went through a time of wrestling with God over this very issue. I was angry that God hadn’t allowed Perry to do fantastic in the debates. Finally He showed me that no matter what happens, He’s in control. In the midst of the discipline I MUST cling to God. I cannot let my anxieties rob me of my joy. I cannot despair, because no matter what happens He is still on His throne. Even if Obama gets another 4 years, his place in the Oval Office is NOTHING compared to God?s mere footstool.

    If Perry loses the nomination, life will go on. Even if Obama gets another 4 years, life will go on. It may be the death of America, but I have to love God and be faithful to Him no matter what.

    Be encouraged, though. Did you see the video of Anita Perry in South Carolina, when she talked about the gentleman who shared Scripture with them? The man told Rick Perry, “God is testing you, so that when you’re in the White House you’ll know how you got there.” For all we know, God could be using this to draw the entire Perry family even closer to Him, so that if Perry wins the nomination he’ll be able to do nothing but give God the glory. I’m excited to see what God will do, but I’m learning to rest in His good Will.
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  • tyman

    It’s as if you read my mind.

    I’ve been thinking about those very things and letting God deal with me with the same thoughts.

    If we but trust God, His will is better than ANYTHING we can imagine!

  • dcacklam

    It would be one of these 4:

    DeMint
    Coburn
    Thune
    Gen Petreus.

    Of course, none of them decided to run…

    I don’t like Mitt, I don’t think Gingrich can overcome the negativity that independents associate with Congress and his role in the Clinton-era Congress specifically….

    That, plus the above = we need a Perry comeback…

  • dcacklam

    Cain is unelectable in the general – too many of our voters care too much about morality to vote for a walking talking sex-scandal.

  • bzip

    Here here. We need Perry. We need our country back and We need a Perry come back. Its a deal. We need Perry and Perry needs us.

    Lets do it, Perry 2012

  • bzip

    Cain is truly unelectable in the general. He will lose the women’s vote easily.

    Cain can be portrayed is many negative damaging ways: Cain from the womanizer, sexual harasser to being plain stupid based on his GITMO flap to a lose cannon that can’t hold his temper. Whether any of it is true or not isn’t the point, the point is Cain has serious problems that will make him unelectable in the general.

    His harassment charges to Princess Nancy to Antia Hill to his screaming at the reporters all will be used to portray him very badly and cost us the election:

    Herman Cain Screams at Reporter at Right Online
    http://youtu.be/bFa6bz9jpEo

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/herman-cain-anita-hill-crack-up-caught-video-endorse-article-1.976082?localLinksEnabled=false

    Herman Cain When Asked About Anita Hill: “Is she Going to Endorse Me”
    http://youtu.be/XqaGa1HkMd8

  • changeforrickperry

    You know what’s encouraging? Knowing that there are other Christians who are surrendering to the Lord and still working and praying for Governor Perry. Hopefully God is using this to work in lots of lives, not just Perry’s. Perhaps we’re about to see a miracle above and beyond what we could imagine. Perhaps we’re going to be tried and tested. It’ll be interesting to see what God does.

    “America, we will always endure. We will always come through. We will never give up. We shall endure because we live by that moral strength that we call grace. Because though we?ve often skirted a precipice, a Providential Hand has always guided us to a better future. So, let us seek that Hand once more. Our Ronald Reagan said, ‘If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, we will be a nation gone under.’ Yes, He shed his grace on thee, America! We will not squander what we have been given! We will fight for freedom. We will fight for America. We are at the tipping point. United we must stand. And we shall nobly save, not meanly lose, this last best hope on earth.”–Sarah Palin
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  • changeforrickperry

    I guess that’s the job I’ve given myself today: trying to give everyone a boost. I hope it does some good. We’re in this for the long haul, folks, and we’ll need to hold each other up through the next few months.

    “As Americans, we inherit what Lincoln in his First Inaugural called ?the mystic chords of memory stretching from every patriot grave.? They bind us to the great and humbled, the known and unknowns of Americans past–and if I hear them clearly, what they say is that although we may have strayed, we have not strayed too far to return, for we are their descendants.

    “We can still astound the world with justice, reason, and strength. I know this is true, but even if it was not we could not in decency stand down, if only for our debt to history. We owe a debt to those who came before, who did great things, and suffered more than we suffer, and gave more than we give, and pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor for us, whom they did not know. For we ‘drink from wells we did not dig’ and are ‘warmed by fires we did not build,’ and so we must be faithful in our time as they were in theirs.

    “Many great generations are gone, but by the character and memory of their existence they forbid us to despair of the republic. I see them crossing the prairies in the sun and wind. I see their faces looking out from steel mills and coal mines, and immigrant ships crawling into the harbors at dawn. I see them at war, at work and at peace. I see them, long departed, looking into the camera, with hopeful and sad eyes. And I see them embracing their children, who became us.

    “They are our family and our blood, and we cannot desert them.
    In spirit, all of them come down to all of us, in a connection that, out of love, we cannot betray.

    “They are silent now and forever, but from the eternal silence of every patriot grave there is yet an echo that says, ‘It is not too late; keep faith with us, keep faith with God, and do not, do not ever despair of the republic.’ “–Representative Mike Pence of Indiana
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  • tyman

    The fact that he proclaimed his faith.

    I thought that when they had the prayer in Texas before he announced, his prayer was impressive. I knew right then, and there that he was the candidate that I would support to the end. And I supported Cain in the beginning.

    And that’s why the left detests Perry. They detest anyone with a strong faith. That was the reason why they hated Bush so bad. George W. was a moderate at best, and he gave the libs so much to like about him. But he never compromised his relationship with God, and they DESPISE that!

    The word says that the devils believe and fear also: I think the left truly fears a Godly man that is everything that they never want to be. At least until the light of truth is revealed. Just look at Alec Baldwin’s brother.

  • retire05

    to Romney, there is just no way you can run from his actual record, and the things he said, prior to January, 2007, on issues that are near and dear to conservative.

    You say that Romney did not hike taxes. Well, you pay a tax every year to renew your licence plates. If you call it a “fee” that is paid to the state, is it any less a tax? Changing the name of a dog doesn’t make it any less of a dog. And I find it odd that you don’t mention that two of Romney’s climate change gurus are rabid environmentalists. One, John Holdren, is currently working for Obama, and Douglas Foy is doing what Douglas Foy does best, blocking all drilling. How was it sensible to not allow the Cape wind project? Because Teddy Kennedy complained it would ruin his view? In-state tuition? Romney had the authority to veto that bill because it was not passed by a veto proof majority. Yet, he had no trouble with illegals being put on Romneycare. Where was his provision to avoid that? Now MA is looking at how much illegals are costing Romneycare, and it ain’t purdy.

    Now, you seem to operate on the premise that health care is a right. It is not. It is no more than a service you buy to provide you with a better life. If health care is a right, then so is water and food, and if I decided I don’t want to pay for those products, then you should be forced to buy them for me. Also, Romneycare is based on taxing the rest of the nation to keep it solvent. Patrick asked for over $400 million in federal funding to make Romneycare solvent. He got $764 million in the Stimulus bill. And I strongly object to having to pay taxes to insure people in Massachusetts. Taxing others, and making the decision that others have the responsibility to provide people with health insurance that should be a personal responsibility is not conservative to anyone but liberal northeasterners.

    Military/Nat’l Guard bill: Gee, “Welcome Home?” How nice. Unlike Governor Perry who lobbied for, and got, legislation that abolished ad valorum taxation for veterans who suffer 100% military related disabilities. Give me a choice between a welcome home sign and no taxes? Ummmm? Let me think about that for a minute.

    And have you looked at the results of Romney’s tenure as governor? Checked on the pro capita debt lately? Or the debt to GDP? What is the budget of Massachusetts for slightly over 6,000,000 people? If Romney was such a successful conservative governor, why is he not running on that and only seems to be running on his business acumen? It is because Romney is smarter that his supporters. He knows his gubernatorial record does not stand up to conservative values, so he runs from it like a scalded hound. But business acumen does not a president make. Bill Gates was definately a bigger success than Romney, but I would not have wanted him for president. Or Steve Forbes, or Mark Cuban.

    Actually, I think Newt is the smartest kid on the block. My problems with Newt is that he has a tendancy to wander off the farm not knowing where he is going. Was he an affective speaker? You betcha. But that was then, and this is now. And I don’t know that he won’t wander off the farm again.

    Bush did well in his second term until January, 2007 when the Democrats took over. He was pretty much a lame duck then. The Democrats thwarted everything Bush tried to do, including taking a good hard look at the GSEs as he continually warned they were in deep trouble. But two more northeastern idiots, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, assured us the GSEs were sound. We learned differently, to everyone’s dismay.

  • changeforrickperry

    Sorry, I’m not aware of that story.

    We just recently watched an old DVD about Bush’s faith. (I kept my eyes peeled for any footage of his lieutenant governor…no luck.) For all his faults, for all his unconstitutional executive orders, you had to hand it to him–he was very bold and unashamed in his faith. And for that I admire him. He was the best man to handle 9/11, I’m positive of that. (It was a really good documentary we watched: “George W. Bush: Faith in the White House” was the name, I believe. Highly recommended.)

    I think, too, that this was what Anita Perry was talking about when she said her husband was being brutalized for his faith. I think she recognizes that there’s more to this than just politics; there’s probably spiritual warfare going on. She knows that they will do everything they can to take down a man who is unafraid to call on Jesus Christ. So while the MSM was tearing up Anita for saying that–even Mike Huckabee was criticizing her–I didn’t think it was hard to figure out what she was talking about.

    Talk about a war for our country’s soul!
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  • texasroots

    the debate on foreign policy and no more. Another hostile witch on NBC , Ann Curry, wasted no time and asked Perry if he was dropping out. So rude! Perry told her very politely he was not dropping out, and would be in South Carolina on Saturday.

  • texasroots

    Huckabee is still upset because Perry supported Guiliani in 2007 and not him. That’s why I don’t understand why the Bushes hate Perry, where is their faith in that?. Barbara Bush is Anita Perry’s favorite first lady.. ugh.

  • texasroots

    the illegals? In a few years the hispanics will overtake all the other populations. Oh happy day!

  • tyman

    He’s become an active Christian, with a ministry, based on what I’ve heard and read.

    Comparatively, Alec seems like the typical angry liberal (remember his rant against Henry Hyde and how he would leave the U.S. if Bush got elected?).

  • changeforrickperry

    or do you think Karl Rove hates Perry? Then again, the Bushes did support Kay Bailey Hutchinson, didn’t they? I guess it’s just the fact that Perry and Bush have gone in different directions. Whereas Bush moves somewhat to the left with his compassionate conservatism and his “reaching across the aisle,” Perry has moved to the right, embracing the Tea Party and even criticizing some of Bush’s policies.

    I’m sure that when Perry and Bush talk personal, they have great conversations. (Ever heard about Ann Romney and Anita Perry greeting each other like old friends at the first debate? Wow, Anita shames me…I would have a hard time doing that.) And I’m hope that if Perry starts winning states, Bush will support him. ____________________________________________________________
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  • changeforrickperry

    I didn’t know that about Stephen Baldwin, tyman. Oh yes, I remember Alec Baldwin’s “rants.” We have a wonderful movie, “Nuremberg,” in which Baldwin plays Justice Jackson, the American prosecutor in the first Nuremberg trial. Great movie, and he plays a great character, but it’s hard to watch it without thinking about Baldwin in real life. Yuck.
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  • Common_Cents

    Scott Pelley and Major Garrett are mods.

    Not sure the mods will doing a lot of foreign policy gotcha stuff, maybe Pelley, don’t know him well enough.

    Gingrich will probably benefit from a foreign policy focus debate. Cain and Perry will be under the spotlight and will be pressured to deliver.

  • westcoastpatriette

    about Stephen Baldwin is that after he became a Christian, he was essentially black-balled in Hollywood as they have the same visceral hatred toward conservative/Christians as liberals do toward true Christian politicians.

    I think generally speaking, since I have begun to pay even closer attention to politics, I’m disappointed that many of the Christian politicians seem to forget standards of conduct that are essential to the faith in terms of relating to their brothers and sisters in the Lord who are competing with them in races. They seem to get lax in the slander or speaking against each other cavalierly department.

  • retire05

    The animosity stems from Karl Rove. When Perry was running for Lt. Governor, Rove tried to tell Perry how to run his campaign. Perry understood that there were fundamental differences between him and G.W. (G.W. son of a wealthy northeasterner who had a degree from a tony university vs. farmer’s son with a degree at a state university, fiscal responsibility above all else vs. compassionate conservatism)

    Perry pretty much told Rove to stick it, he would run his campaign his way, not Rove’s way. That started the fued. Even to this day, Rove is bitter. But Perry won out as his way was what was right for him. I think Perry and G.W. pretty much like and respect each other although they have different ways of governing.

    In the last gubernatorial election, Rove, Karen Hughes, Ma and Pa Bush came out for Kay Bailey Hutchison. But G.W. stayed out of the fray, as did Laura Bush. I don’t think G.W. will involve himself in the primaries. Not his way.

    One thing I would like to add: when G.W. was elected POTUS, everyone said that Anita Perry could never fill Laura Bush’s shoes because Ms. Laura was so beloved by everyone who worked for the state. And although Anita Perry is less involved than Laura Bush was with the everyday workers of the state, they love her. She is a kind, gentle woman, as is Laura, and I have never heard one hard thing about her.

  • changeforrickperry

    Good to “talk” to you for the first time. I’ve always enjoyed your comments.

    Don’t be discouraged. I know how you feel. Once on another conservative blog I saw a comment that said, “Tell me again why I picked politics for a hobby. Maybe I should take up knitting.” I’ve thought the same way myself a few times!

    HOWEVER, I think that if anything, this campaign has revealed Governor Perry’s Christian character for everyone to see. Instead of lashing out against Herman Cain’s accusations, he has quietly maintained his innocence. Even when Michele Bachmann went after him back in September, he did not respond in kind. His humility in dealing with his brain snap is…wow, let’s just say that if I had been in his shoes, I would not have dealt with it the way he has. Also, he hasn’t been afraid to talk about his faith. I’ve been very impressed with him, and whether or not he gets the nomination, he has my respect. “You will know them by their fruits!”
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  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    . . . because I need to work to pay the payroll taxes that fund your retirement, so you can post to Red State all day.

    1) you didn’t answer my question on Christine O’Donnell. Its Mitt v Christine to take on Obama, who does Retire vote for?

    2) Where did I say healthcare was a right? I don’t think it is and I never said that, so I am wondering where you got that? I do know that federal law forces hospitals and then the taxpayers to pick up the costs for ANYONE that shows up in an emergency room. Romney was trying to solve that problem – did he accomplish the mission? Not really, but as he said, its a state experiment.

    3) ummm ahhh, I don’t remember what the third thing is, ahhh O’Donnell and healthcare, I can’t, OOOPPS.

    seriously –

    Welcome Home Bill was a series of measures for returning veterans and national guardsmen. Not sure what you mean about a sign. The DOD kept a scorecard on these things, and Massachusetts did very well.

    GDP/Debt – again Romney was but one Republican Governor facing an 85% Democratic legislature. Its too bad, but Massachusetts in many ways is beyond all hope. There are still great universities, smart people, wonderful natural resources (Boston Harbor, Cape Cod) and Boston is a terrific city. Yet its problems are deep and entrenched – Romney or any GOP Governor is literally fighting against 30+ years of bad policies on taxes, permitting, energy, unions, etc. Its why Massachusetts has lost 3 seats in Congress since 1990 – while the Texas, Arizonas, Floridas, and South Carolinas have added seats. So to hang it all on him, is basically ridiculous. That would be like blaming John Kasich in 5 years when Ohio can’t meet its pension obligations or something. He tried, but was unfortunately defeated at the polls on Tuesday. Therefore to get anything done and get a half loaf, you have to make some compromises.

    Finally, if Rick Perry is so popular in a red state like Texas, why did he not even get 55% of the vote in a year that Republicans totally dominated?

  • circlegranch

    I started that post in the wee hours of this morning and kept trying to find the right words. I appreciate your response and agree with you that Rick Perry and the Perry family are folks of deep and abiding Christian faith. If he is being tested, he will prevail because he walks by faith, not by sight. I also believe his stumbles in debates could be one of two messages from God: (1) the political process is corrupt and evil, the intentions of the organizations sponsoring them are not pure; he can’t speak sometimes because he knows he’s participating in something in contrast to the will of God. (2) if he isn’t to become president, that is because God has a greater plan for him and his family. Perhaps he’ll be more prepared in ’16 or maybe there’s another calling not yet known. As for we, his supporters, our pledge to him should be to hold him and his family in our prayers, speak well of him and put the best construction on every situation, no matter how bleak. God’s will shall and is done.

    There’s a saying that was on the sign out front of an old country church that I saw as a kid many years ago. For some reason, it stuck with me and in times such as these, I always recall it and am reminded just Who is in charge:

    If you pray, why worry? If you worry, why pray?

    There are some incredibly moving letters from the Perry family written back and forth during WWII at his website today. On this Veteran’s Day, they will uplift you and give insight to the patriotic heart that resides inside Gov. Rick Perry. Be blessed, one and all.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Yes, the more I get to know the Perry’s, the more I like them and see the fruit. I feel like it’s the Lord who is drawing me to him (Perry) as I have never felt much passion toward any politician until now.

    Thanks for your words of encouragement.

  • Xasteius

    Perry has my respect. And that makes all the difference

  • retire05

    since you seemed to have used it to determine that you are funding my retirement. Better get a new one if it tells you that you can determine something about a person merely using their moniker as imput. And perhaps if the federal government hadn’t spent all the money, you would not be able to accuse people of leeching off your payroll taxes. Thanks for proving it is a Ponzi Scheme.

    Christine O’Donnel holds no interest for me, so I didn’t bother to respond. I don’t think you can hold someone accountable for what they do when they are barely out of their teens. Christine vs. Mitt? Christine. At least she showed possibility. What’s the point in voting Republican if all I am going to get is Democrat Lite?

    You also seem to know little about Texas. Yes, it’s considered a red state, and we finally have a filibuster proof Republican majority in the state house. But that doesn’t mean that we don’t have enclaves that are blue; Houston, Austin, San Antonio, the area we call “the valley”, all pretty blue. Why do you think we still have that crook, Lloyd Doggett? It hasn’t been that many decades since we were a blue state.

    Perry also ran against what some think was a very popular independent. That took votes away from Rick Perry. You see, Texans are not monolithic. They are more independent than anything else. But Perry has done one thing that Mitt could never accomplish; he moved his state farther to the right, the red, side. Mitt couldn’t do that because Mitt was not a true conservative.

  • changeforrickperry

    Something like, “It’s up to God to bless Perry’s campaign, but it doesn’t hurt to have our foot on the gas.” Author Ann Voskamp says “Stress is practical atheism.” Theodore Roosevelt said, ?There has never been a man in our history who led a life of ease whose name is worth mentioning.?

    I mention all those quotes to say this: I’ve seen a change in the Perry supporters today. We’ve adopted a grim defiance. We will fight this to the bitter end. But I’m glad to see as well that we’re not hopeless. We’re trusting God. And we know that good things never come without a struggle. If we want this–if Perry wants it–then we’ll have to fight for it.

    “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die.”–George Washington before the Battle of Long Island, August 1776
    ____________________________________________________________
    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

  • avagreen

    that have drifted over here. The “Islamist connection via Geller” touch/propaganda gives them away.

    Is this Mr. Pinko?

  • avagreen

    ^^

  • avagreen

    because of the Islamist crap Geller pushes. Rather rabid.

  • heraklios

    and have no doubt he would be a strong conservative President, but given what has transpired, you can stick a fork in Perry. Right now, I see Gingrich as the last conservative hope.

  • avagreen

    Via Weigel, Newt Gingrich took a swipe at Rick Perry over Gaffegate in Michigan this morning:

    Later, Gingrich got a question that prompted him to talk about government reform at the cabinet level.

    “I have several departments in mind,” he said. “I’ve forgotten some of them.” Big laughs. “I think the place to start is the Department of Energy.” More laughs.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68098.html

    Apparently, Gingrich’s speech was a “leettllle schlurrred”, according to reports.
    ;)

    Moral issues?

  • msjallen

    You and policewoman and others who reject God’s Word would have NOTHING without God. Yes, we are all to work or we don’t eat as the Bible teaches but we are to put GOD first; not our work, not our families, not our nation! If we put God first we will enjoy life to the fullest no matter what we think we have accomplished for ourselves. Everything we have is from the Lord and if you think for one second it is ALL your doing; you are sadly mistaken!
    I am sad for you that you think you did it all yourself.
    Are any of you sure you know Jesus Christ as your personal savior?
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever BELIEVES in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
    John 3:18 He who BELIEVES in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only uniquely born Son of God.
    John 3:36 He who BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
    Acts 16:31 They said, “BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

  • pttx333

    say that God does not come first!

  • msjallen

    You are putting the cart before the horse. Matthew 25 has nothing to do with helping yourself. God expects us to rely on Him. He want to guide and help US. He is not dependent on US we are dependent on Him. God helps those who rely on Him. We are to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and He will guide us to greater things in life. If one thinks they have acheived so much in life on their own; I wonder how much greater their life and success would have been if they were guided by the Lord through His Word. I believe in hard work but God helps me to do that work.
    Rom 12:3 For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
    Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD, “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

  • pttx333

    To add: Nowhere else did I say that I or anyone else accomplishes things all by our little old lonesomes. You have taken my statements and totally twisted them around!

    Are you from that Westboro group????

  • msjallen

    It sure read differently to me and I can say what I think on this site just as much as you can. And, no, you don’t make sense.
    Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

  • pttx333

    c

  • msjallen

    You are an insulting and hateful old woman. I am sad for you. I hope you find some happiness in your life. This can only be done through believing in Jesus Christ as your savior.

  • gekster

    nowhere was pttx hatefull and insulting.
    And if you are the Christian you claim, then you yourself would not use those words falsly as you have done.
    And for the record, this is a political site, not a religeous one.
    You want to talk religeon, go here:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/

  • pttx333

    Sheesh, ya think she is a tad judgmental? There are Christians, then there are some who are indescribable.

    Bailed me out once again, gek. Thank ya, thank ya, thank ya.

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    I think you have me confused with the reruns you’ve been watching on late night TV. I’m not Angie Dickinson.

  • http://politicalwoman.wordpress.com politicalwoman

    www.ewtn.com. Meanwhile the rest of us will engage in discourse relevant to the subject at hand…The Horse Race aka defeating BHO

  • gekster

    .nt..nt…nt….nt

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    jeez – everyone is so sensitive around here. I make a crack about “retire” and you get annoyed. Its the liberals that aren’t supposed to have any humor!

    I do know plenty about Texas, going there this week for business as a matter of fact. I also have some projects with some folks over at UT-School of Engineering (they do great work – better than some of the Ivies in my opinion), and I used to work for an Austin based software company back in the day. You could say I work in the energy/refinery world, so Houston is the usual destination for me. I hit Rudy’s BBQ every time I am there and I rooted for the Rangers in the World Series (naturally I am a Sox fan).

    However, I am a Romney supporter, and have been very dispaointed in Perry’s performance. You have to admit he has been dismal. When he shot out of the gate at 38% in August, and Mitt looked like he was in trouble, I said, okay – well Perry is a good backup, based on his Texas record. But his performance has been terrible, and calls into question how he would perform in the general, and right now, I see his appeal as a bit limited in that he would basically be the McCain map. But again, it really gets down to the why – is Perry running because his staffers convinced him, that he could win in a weak field, or does he really have a “plan” and a strategy for the country? Based on his performance thus far, seems like the former.

    Retire – you are onbviously a smart person, and can string together a good argument on why Perry v Mitt, and I get that, but come on, you damage your credibility when you would actually vote for Christine O’Donnell over Mitt Romney? If O’Donnell were our nominee it would be the biggest joke in American history. She is a gadfly – and again gets back to my point that it isn’t just what positions one holds, but also about their leadership qualitites and abilities and about their lifetime accomplishments. Frankly, O’Donnell doesn’t have any of those qualities and she was so bad, she was probably costing Pat Toomey votes by the end of the election.

  • retire05

    differences. And I have decided that they are in definition. You think Romney governed as a conservative. I disagee. Romney’s style of governance is not conservative to me and Romneycare is a prime example of that. It doesn’t matter that it is turning out to be a very expensive experiment, it is that I view it as unconstitutional. Had it depended on the tax revenue from Massachusetts citizens only, I would say “yes, he could do that.” But it doesn’t. It relies on tax revenue from all of us, and it a prime example of big government.

    You ignore Romney’s association with John Holdren, and Daniel Foy. They are not exactly small government advocates. Holdren now actually works for Obama. The very advisors that worked for Romney, advised Obama, and the Democrats on Obamacare. And you mention Perry’s performance. Now, I will admit that he has been less than stellar on the debate stage. But if I wanted someone who could perform brilliantly on a debate stage, I would vote for Clint Eastwood or Tom Selleck. At least they are Republicans, and they can perform. Since a man who is elected president is not required to perform, I have to put my faith in what they have done prior to being elected. But if you can give me any example of a debate that any president has been involved in once elected, I will cede that point.

    You seem to think that these debates are a measure of the man. I guess you have forgotten the old adage “It’s not what you say, but what you do.” In the “do” area, Romney falls painfully short. His stance on “global warming” alone is enough to discount him for me. More and more we are learning that the whole “global warming” diatribe has been based on faulty data, or data that was manipulated for a desired outcome. “Hockey Stick” Hansen has been discredited, yet Mitt continues to say that humans contribute to global warmning, he just doesn’t know how much. Not a conservative stance. But we have his record as governor on that issue, don’t we? I truely believe that we will eventually learn the truth about global warming and that the reduction of warmth will prove to not be a science goal, but a massive redistribution of wealth scam that is designed to do nothing more than reduce the influence of the United States globally and to give our wealth to third world nations.

    I believe the federal goverment has turned into a leviathan that would have the authors of the Constitution rolling over in their graves if they knew what a monster it has become. I don’t believe that Mitt Romney would do anything to reduce the federal goverment back to its Constitutional perimeters. He did nothing as governor to lead me to believe he would.

    Fiscal responsibility: When Romney assumed office, the 2003 Massachusetts budget for nominal spending was $23,289,777,000.00, his first year in office. He was not responsible for that budget, but he was for the next four years and that [nominal spending] budget increased, under Romney’s guidance, to $29,913,923,000.00 for an over $6.5 billion increase. The actual spending increased to $34,194,834,000.00. That is for a state of slightly over 6 million people. (feel free to look those figures up. The are on the MA state website.) Those budget increases could only be funded two ways: higher taxes for the citizens of Massachusetts or greater funding from the federal government which requires tax revenue from every citizen in all 50 states. Which was it?

    Now, compare that to say, the Texas budget which just passed for 2011-2012 is $87 billion for over 25 million people. An average of $43.5 billion/per year for over 25 million people compared to $34 billion for 6 million. Other states have similar fiscally responsible budgets compared to Massachusetts. No one who is a fiscal conservative can justify the numbers from Massachusetts. Your debt to GDP is over 25%. The per capita state debt is over $15,000.00 for every man, woman and child in Massachusetts. Compare that to Tennessee.

    The Welcome Home Project: Since I am familiar with any legislation that was passed in MA with that name, perhaps you can provide me with a link. I am familiar with a federal initiative called “Welcome Home”, but not one exclusive to MA. But I am not aware of anything Mitt Romney did while governor to reduce the tax burder of veterans who suffer 100% military related disabilities. Our disabled veterans deal with the stress of their injuries every day. They should not have to deal with the stress of being over taxed on top of it.

    You also referenced Romney’s veto of in-state tuition. Yet, it was in Boston, not Dallas, that Obama’s illegal aunt, ordered to deport, that continued to live in public housing and received a welfare check as well as all other social welfare benefits Massachusetts gives to illegals. Romney had a responsibility, as Massachusetts’ top cop, to turn the Lawn Service With A Heart into ICE for its hiring of illegal Hondurans. He did not do that. Had that been Rick Perry, immigration purists would have become apoplectic. You ignore it.

    How can you claim Romney is a conservative, when we know that his stance on gay marriage, abortion, taxes (which he called “fees”) government control, mandates and other issues were in keeping with a progressive view point and he only adjusted those viewpoints to run to the right of John McCain (which, btw, was not all that hard to do)?
    Again, it all boils down to what how you define “conservative” which seems totally opposite of my definition.

    One last question: if Romney’s tenure as governor is such a great example of conservative governance, why is he not running on that record? Why is he running as a “business man” and his time at Bain, and not his time in the Governor’s office?

  • retire05

    As I quoted, the MA budget was $34 billion/year when Romney left office.

    And I misquoted the Texas budget. It is $78 (not $87) billion for two years, giving an annual budget of $39 billion for over 25 million citizens compared to MA budget of $34 billion for slightly over 6 million.

  • gettingsl

    In your roll at CNN perhaps you just hear the same message over and over again…”Romney will be the candidate.” And you become part of the chanting choir….helping to make it so.

  • goformitt

    According to tonight’s Bloomberg poll, Ron Paul has joined Newt, Herman, and Mitt in a 4-way tie in Iowa!

    Weird.

  • Flagstaff

    But this gem is just plain off the point:

    “[Romney] will do much more damage to the GOP than Obama has”

    It may be true, because his election and behavior brought us the Tea Parties, but it’s not the point. A second Obama term will do far more harm to the country than anything Romney might do, even accepting as true the skewed perspective he gets from streiff. Even with a Republican Congress we aren’t immune to Obama’s mischief. The idea of withholding a vote for the Republican candidate against Obama is repugnant; I don’t care if it’s Lisa Murkowski.

    We’ve been through this before; in fact, we went through it in 2008. We didn’t vote for McCain and we got Obamacare and a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress. We were going to teach the Republicans (us) a lesson by not supporting a candidate (our own) who was picked by US in a process WE devised. Well, I guess we didn’t learn our lesson, because we’re getting ready to do it again if the comments in this thread are representative of anything.

    Gang, this election isn’t about who gets to be committee chairmen. It’s about whether the Marxist-in-chief gets four more years to subvert the Republic, maybe to the point of no return.

    Change your paradigm. Think about Obama’s goal as not to lead the USA to greatness, not to get jobs for everyone, not to fix our problems, not even to get re-elected. Consider that his goal is to ruin our economy, to take us to a point of no return from which all honest efforts to right the ship will fail, to destroy the Republic from within and make it easy to replace capitalism with communism.

    I know you may not want to read those words here, but when has the government taken over two major players in a manufacturing industry before? Tried to take over the health care industry?

    I know that will take a lot of imagination for some people, not so much for others, but if you apply that paradigm it explains everything Obama has done or tried to do since he was elected. His policies are inexplicable if you give him the benefit of the doubt, if you believe he’s both intelligent and is acting in good faith for our benefit; they are perfectly sensible if he is working towards a different goal.

    To name just a few: Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Refusing to allow offshore oil drilling without reason. Refusal to declare certain states disaster areas after floods, fires, and tornadoes. Refusal to secure the border. Suing Arizona, et al, for trying to help the Feds enforce Federal law. Solyndra. Green jobs pushed instead of viable, real, existing energy sources, instead of helping to develop our domestic petroleum industry. Suspension of bankruptcy laws so he could turn GM and Chrysler over to his favored support groups. Campaigning under the guise of “official business.” Naming two far-left, marginally qualified people to the Supreme Court. Pushing Cap and Trade while admitting that it would cause utility prices to “skyrocket.” Pushing through Obamacare based on lies and misinformation about its costs and benefits. Attempting to turn us against one another, 99% against 1%, class warfare. And most recently, refusing to approve the oil pipeline from Canada, putting it off until after the election, when it would have created 20,000 jobs immediately; instead it continues our dependency on middle-eastern oil.

    What have his policies and decisions brought us? Overwhelming debt. Entrenched, new, and increasing spending, leading to more debt. Increasing dependence on the government for more and more “things,” such as 99 weeks of unemployment insurance, and health insurance. Reduction of GDP, leading to more debt. 9% unemployment, leading to more debt. Annual deficits five times the biggest of the Bush deficits while Bush was fighting two “hot” war fronts. Eric Holder. Timmy Geithner.

    Finally, they have brought us not just a poorer nation, but a far weaker nation, both externally and internally. We may not have a fighting revolution, but he has laid the groundwork for takeover by malcontents.

    I don’t care if Bozo is the Republican candidate–VOTE FOR HIM.