The Perry Campaign Gets a Life Line


Rick Perry’s debate gaffe last week will go in the annals of political history as one of the most embarrassing gaffes on a Presidential primary debate stage. His recovery the next day will be studied by future campaigns as the textbook example of damage control. His Saturday night debate performance in South Carolina gets him the complete redemption he needs.

In South Carolina Saturday night the Rick Perry so many people have been hoping would come out to play, came out to win. He gave a sharp answer on dealing with Iran and Pakistan and captured the tea party zeitgeist by saying we should start each year at zero in our foreign aid budgets, including with Israel. He then went on to explain that those countries, like Israel, that are shown to be our friends would get money in the foreign aid budget.

This then descended into a lecture on zero based budgeting, nearly getting him an amen from Newt Gingrich.

The star moment for Perry, however, came when he took after Ron Paul over enhanced interrogation techniques. Everyone knows Ron Paul’s foreign policy is nuttier than a pecan grove at harvest, but no one until Rick Perry Saturday night has had the nerve to say so.

On the opposite end of alternatives to Romney we want to do well, Herman Cain showed his foreign policy views are not yet ready for prime time. He fell back again and again on either not knowing the answer or wanting help from others. His campaign’s theme of drawing on the experts regardless of the candidate’s background is becoming more and more hollow considering the experts running his campaign were picked by Herman Cain.

But there is good news for both Perry and Cain in the latest polling.
52% want Rick Perry to stay in the race and only 37% of Republicans think the recent allegations about Herman Cain should disqualify him from running. Mitt Romney remains frozen with only about a quarter of the Republican electorate wanting him.

This race is still anybody’s to win or lose.


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Good article and analysis, Erick.

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 4:56AM EDT (link)

What everyone saw Saturday night was vintage Perry. He was on point, appeared to not be in as much discomfort and came out with both guns blazing.

My very favorite moment was when discussing the techniques to gain information, he evolved into fury toward the end regarding the loss of our “boys and girls” in the military! That was in no way a rehearsed or staged snippet, that was pure Perry reading the riot act to anyone who would disagree with that statement. At that, I jumped up, clapping my hands and whooping – and I was the only one here. Don’t know if the neighbors heard me, but I really could care less.

The Perry I know and have voted for all these years is back, he’s on game and spot on! Didn’t disagree with a word he said, and on occasion I do, but not this time, He’s in the race for good!

 

I wish it were so...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 5:09AM EDT (link)

that “His Saturday night debate performance in South Carolina gets him the complete redemption he needs.”

As explored on prior RS-postings, he failed to use “recovery-Thursday” to pivot into WHY he would choose these departments for extinction and HOW he would accomplish what RR had failed to achieve.

I also was thrilled with his performance Saturday-p.m., but it hardly constituted “complete” reversal of his free-fall into single-digits.

Although EJ-Dionne is a D, he quoted data on “Meet the Press” that suggested that the GOP-electorate is STILL hopeful for a new candidate. The cameo-visit of DeMint @ the debate came as a pleasant surprise and, despite a deluge of critique on RS overnight-Wednesday, I STILL hope that prudent individuals who can study the “internals” will ponder whether it is NECESSARY for him to mop-up the TEA Party Movement irregulars.

That said, otherwise, Rick’s “Fed Up!” should be REQUIRED READING if anyone doubts Perry’s knowledge/experience/capacities for he is, truly, a limited-government constitutional-conservative.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Dilemma, redux:

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:01AM EDT (link)

This is from Politco [after it corroborated my instant response, decrying Mitt's claim that he'd take China to the WTO]

http://www.politico.com/morningscore/

PERRY FADES –DROPS TO 4% IN NBC/WSJ POLL: “After his flub at a Republican debate on Wednesday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has seen his support plummet among GOP primary voters, according to a re-contact of Republicans surveyed in this month’s NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll,” per First Read. “From Nov. 10-12, Hart Research Associates contacted 102 out of the 248 Republican primary voters who were surveyed in this month’s past NBC/WSJ poll [after Perry’s gaffe in the debate and Sharon Bialek coming forward last Monday]…Romney’s support jumped up to 32 percent, Cain’s dropped to 27 percent and Gingrich’s increased to 22 percent. And Perry fell to just 4 percent.” http://on.msnbc.com/ujWJ1g

COMEBACK KID— FIVE REASONS PERRY COULD BOUNCE BACK: Time’s Jay Newton-Small writes a column on why Perry should not be written off. “Despite the defection of some bundlers, Perry remains a fundraising powerhouse who will be able to afford investments other candidates can’t…Epic gaffe aside, Perry’s debate performances both on Wednesday and on Saturday night at the CBS/National Journal Commander-in-Chief debate in Spartanburg, South Carolina, were actually quite decent… Perry still has more endorsements than anyone else but Romney, including some in key states like South Carolina… Folks are just now starting to pay attention to the race. Traditionally, voters start to tune in and pick their horses after Thanksgiving.” http://ti.me/twO1Fh

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

that NBC/WSJ poll

tdawg89 Monday, November 14th at 10:33AM EDT (link)

is a load of crap. I’m not sure why they would even bother publishing the poll because there was ONLY 102 respondents. And a few weren’t even republicans. I’m waiting for a couple more reliable polls to see if Perry is regaining momentum.

 
 

Hasn't the filing deadline passed?

porkandcheese Monday, November 14th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

The field is set, or correct me if I’m wrong. I really wanted Thune to run, because he would unite the tea party and establishment factions. With his South Dakota agricultural roots, he could have won Iowa and performed in the top three in NH — if he had run. He had $7.5 million in the bank, but I think that deterred him. Many potential candidates were squeamish at the prospect of Romney kneecapping them before facing the Obama machine.

That the field is open is welcome news, because I just read a Politico piece that Cain predictably is plummeting and throwing his support to Romney. One by one, these challengers are endorsing the man most Republicans find unpalatable. In the end, it doesn’t look like a coronation, though none of them ever really had a chance and were just running for administration positions.

Perry is the only one who confronted Romney over his record. He did it before he even had his campaign together, and he got skewered not just by Romney, but from Romney’s so-called opponents and his media flacks. It’s a good thing Perry has turned this race around, at least enough to stay in it. I’m praying for a miracle, because I think Romney as the nominee would be the nail in the coffin of the conservative movement.

It could be that the rest are running

writescribe Monday, November 14th at 7:49PM EDT (link)

to become the “next in line” for 2016. I don’t agree that Republicans always nominate the one “next in line,” but the characterization has gotten a lot of press so perhaps that’s what the candidates are thinking?

Anyway, I hope I’m wrong as nothing would be better to nominate someone other than Romney.

Running for next in line is the establishment strategy

porkandcheese Monday, November 14th at 10:02PM EDT (link)

Aside from Huntsman, none of them can really make that case.

 
 
 
 

Indeed...

nathanalbright (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 5:23AM EDT (link)

…the race is still in flux, but Perry definitely established himself as a leader rather than a follower in the foreign policy discussion. He’ll have a few more debates to show consistent improvement as well.

Hope Springs Eternal!

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:40AM EDT (link)

He also remains the only jobs-oriented discussant who can cite “deliverables.”

In this regard, the article [in USA-Today, if I heard correctly] suggesting that Food Stamps in Texas are burgeoning is a typical hit-piece that won’t dwarf his talents.

The Donald just endorsed Rick’s stance [zero-based budgeting] regarding foreign policy…and this was received well by the FNC crew. He reinforced this posture unambiguously, again encouraging.

BUT, as people start paying-attention in-earnest, the BHO’s channeling of “Jimme” must be highlighted, as Trump has been doing incessantly.

Perhaps Perry will capture this mood and invoke “Fed Up!”-based quotations throughout.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

It helps in this case...

nathanalbright (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:49AM EDT (link)

…that others (including in here) are pointing out Obama’s inner Jimmy. The tactical engagements in the primary cannot obscure the larger goal. I would think that having Perry drop quotations, different ones (so that it doesn’t become Cainesque with the whole 9-9-9 bit), will encourage supporters, give a narrative that he has a definite plan and a consistent worldview, and allows him to write his own narrative of competence as opposed to the incompetence in the White House today. He at least has the opportunity to do so.

If anyone can do it he can.

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

Perry is a snatching victory from the jaws of defeat kind of guy.

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Erik, I agree, this should be seen

center77 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 5:26AM EDT (link)

as the I don’t want to be who they tell me to be moment for Perry. I found it very interesting how the establishment looked shook to the core after that debate, being it was the commander and chief debate. Lucky for them, the news that came out was about Bachmann whining, and Paula 83 seconds. Perry did put the establishment on notice, they should understand this Perry is very dangerous to their blue blooded cause. I was thinking the whole gagged should give people confidence in how good Perrys team really is, no panic, just make the best of it, plus when the product has as much character as Perry, it’s no wonder I came on looking like it woke Perry up to the fact he had nothing else to lose, the establishment shakes email to collective boots, good stuff.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

this is what happens when you use Droid to

center77 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 5:42AM EDT (link)

comment on Red State, sorry about the odd post, hope it makes since even with Droid spellcheck going nuts.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

don't worry; we got your message...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 6:33AM EDT (link)

…and what I gleaned therefrom is that you concur that Perry should simply flame-out.

I’m now listening to Jim Vandehei [Politico] on PMSNBC, who is pragmatically stating that BHO’s approval is ~40% in swing-states. Joe flipped by stating “despite he’s weak, the GOP can’t touch him” [ya gotta give it to him,, for he knows how to please - or rather, not displease - his core-audience].

This nomination is valuable, and Rick is wise in using his $ to disseminate his unique message both nationally and within swing-states….

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

I know....

evilleramsfan Monday, November 14th at 9:00AM EDT (link)

I hate my auto-correct, but love my Droid X otherwise…

“First make sure you’re right, then go ahead.” – Davy Crockett

My Droid EVO sometimes has a mind of its own

center77 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:43PM EDT (link)

now if only Mitt Romney did. That guy really says what we want to hear, then his team back tracks it on Twitter. We can’t nominate him and win.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

 
 
 
 

It's about time we start calling-out faulty commentators...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 5:51AM EDT (link)

…based upon what WE know of this debate; we must start NAMING NAMES.

I just heard “Campaign Carl” Cameron on FNC claim there were no game-changers regarding Mitt, despite the fact that he. indeed, gaffed.

This is what I wrote on another RS-site: “he asserts he is highly critical of BHO because he’d be out of Afghanistan by election-day…as opposed to Mitt’s target-date of only THREE MONTHS LATER! This is akin to a “distinction without a difference” and allows for the same violation of common-sense that most R’s have decried, namely, announcing a troop withdrawal deadline. It deviates from the advice of the military and, candidly, it reinforces the rationale for maintaining [if not lowering] the glass-ceiling that Romney has noted in his polling.”

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/14/the-bachmann-santorum-rule-we-can-be-extorted/

{I’m told a mini-glitch in the RS-software will be fixed today, allowing people to establish Diaries; I’d been reluctant to do so…but I have been asked to aggregate my comments elsewhere. If this be so, others who find themselves blogging regularly may also wish to explore this opportunity; apparently, even if you harbor a self-image of being an intermittent-blogger, RS wants you to establish a “regular” site.}

I will theme my new Diary on the theme of take-no-prisoner analysis of the guys/gals on “our side”…including icons such as Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin…and RUSH!

Again, I know I may be treading on sacred-territory–inviting the type of reaction I received overnight-Wednesday when exploring the staying-power of Rick’s super-gaffe, but time-is-tight!

If a true-conservative is to receive the “nod,” we need to explore how OUR electorate is being “guided” by those who–until now–had built “cred” within our Internet-community!

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Dr., I applaud all efforts to call out conservative talkers/journalists that are failing

circlegranch Monday, November 14th at 6:38AM EDT (link)

to be objective about the most conservative candidate with proven experience. If you’ve followed any of my humble offerings here, I’ve been fairly searing in my posts, as well. We, the People, must not be timid in speaking up whether we are critical of the bomb-throwers on MSNBC or pointing a finger of guilt at those supposedly on our side.

Yesterday I recommended here that we begin a conversation with Fox News at all levels–beginning with management and down to specific hosts about their bias against Rick Perry. (Bachmann, Santorum and Paul camps all have similar complaints; they are on their own to make their case.) There is power in public opinion (and opposition). When the Left launched a campaign against Glenn Beck’s TV program on Fox, they didn’t stop with complaining to Fox; they went after his advertisers and we all remember the email blasts about “Don’t shop at Walmart anymore! They’ve pulled their advertising from Beck’s show!” Walmart appears unscathed by the refusal of some to no longer shop, yet they did not restart their ad’s with that particular program, to the best of my knowledge.

There is a uniformity in Fox reporting of the candidates with respect to Rick Perry. From the beginning of the programming day till the end, its the same message across the board. There is on exception–a man that is on The Five, can’t remember his name–that has been a Perry supporter but is usually drowned out in his commentary about the Gov. This morning, Gretchen Carlson is citing latest CBS polls BEFORE the Sat. night debate and trying to act woeful that Perry dropped to 4%. No mention of wide acclaim across the internet for his performance and substance at the CBS/National Journal debate. No mention of the new Reuters poll saying 52% of Republicans yesterday said Perry should stay in. No mention that Cain’s wife finally breaks her silence yesterday and makes a statement of defense on behalf of her husband. Why? Because Herman didn’t deliver on Sat. night and they are watching his numbers among women begin to plummet. The crew on the Curvy Couch this morning DID report, however, with unabashed enthusiasm, that Romney has finally broken out of the 20′s in polling and that the aforementioned CBS poll has his at 32%. (To those highly interested in following polls, I’d recommend you make your life easier and simply visit RealClearPolitics and access their average polling data. They take the major polls and average them and its historically as accurate as anything out there.)

Conservatives typically are not lemmings. We don’t have to live and die by what Fox News puts up. I am not listening to Hannity’s radio show at all and I’ve been very comfortable in the last few weeks to shut Rush off, as well. Right now, on Morning Joke, they have a frozen byline on the screen: “Perry slips after debate gaffe” or something to that effect. All the while, Major Garrett, a moderator from National Journal on Sat. night, is on live talking about the answers. They refuse to acknowledge the success of Rick Perry on Sat. night–just as Fox is refusing to do. Contrary to EE’s post, MSNBC thinks Santorum was the only brain engaged on Pakistan (Perry and Gingrich were absolutely wrong). MSNBC is so tickled w/ Santorum’s answer, he gets to be on the show coming up.

Ah, and Speaker Gingrich…..just an FYI: MSNBC is shapening their swords for you, Brother. They are already talking about any and all past errors in your background (hits and runs conveniently excluded, of course). Just as they are not going to allow Perry a moment of earned success, they are coming for you, as well.

We expect this from MSNBC. We expect a certain level of this from CNN, but to their credit, they must be tired of running a distant 3rd in cable ratings and they are at least making an effort to cover conservative candidates and certainly, they are far more tolerant, if not accommodating, toward hosting them as guests.

My bottom line is simple with respect to Fox and the conservative talkers. The public is responsible for your successes. We have been faithful, we have bought your books and shown up at your speeches and paid performances. We’ve spent hard earned money to be members of your websites. In the case of Fox, their pandering that hops from candidate to candidate but ultimately is all designed to get Romney the nomination is not appealing in a broad sense. They are only catering to about 25% of their viewing audience. We can and should get their attention.

Congrats, Dr., on your promotion from being a commenter to actually receiving an invitation to become much more. I have tried the steps to be granted the privilege of being a diariest and am locked out. I am grateful, however, to be kept on as replyist and that I haven’t been banned. God’s speed in your new venture!

two points:

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 6:50AM EDT (link)

First, the thrust of my message is that NO ONE need feel “banned” from creating a Diary [I'm told]; the problem is in the software [which is to have been repaired today].

Second, the pro-Perry commentator on “The Five” is…

http://www.foxbusiness.com/watch/anchors-reporters/eric-bolling-bio/

ALSO, noted now is “hope” about FNC, as Rep./Col. Allen West is truth-telling about Enhanced Interrogation. He has now noted my worriment about those who voted for the Super-Committee, for it ultimately allows BHO’s anti-war supporters to emerge victorious [both short-/long-term].

I’m undecided about FNC; let’s hope that the data will kill-off Cain’s campaign and revisiting The Newt will remind our base of his statist/elitist shifting-postures. THEN, we can help others conclude that the optimal anti-Mitt has always been Perry.

But time-ticks….

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

the issues

bobguzzardi Monday, November 14th at 6:55AM EDT (link)

If the conversation can be refocused to actual issues: Jobs, Energy, the real threat of Islamism, Federalism, Obamacare then Rick Perry wins. Not only does Rick Perry have the best ideas, he has the ability and proven experience to govern.

As usual...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:12AM EDT (link)

…Guzzardi said it all.

PMSNBC is now spinning the recent debate as focused upon issues that The American People don’t care about [from Russert's son]. Fortunately, Steels is joining-in while Cain’s evasions are being discussed.

Sam Stein is “killing with faint praise” while noting diversity withn the POTUS-GOP field; there was unified in praising them for being increasingly anti-war [focusing on Afghanistan]. AGAIN, they praise Huntsman for his forthright stance, Joe claiming this is a mainstream-GOP posture. Steele reminded people that he had also opposed the neo-Cons in this realm ["blow it up and ask questions later" allegedly quoting William Kristol]. THEY do NOT discuss the SEQUELLAE of a precipitous withdrawal. Russert is recalling the cost of war, and ["rich man's war, poor man's fight" a la Vietnam] praising anti-war Manchin [of W. Va.]. Ultimately, they are reinforcing those within the GOP who are wanting to manifest fiscal-conservatives [predictably attacking Graham/McCain in this regard].

Dana Perino seems sensible on FNC; let’s hope she helps FNC evade Romney.

Regardless, Guzzardi recalls the need to discuss JOBS/JOBS/JOBS!

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

I like how in the debate...

nathanalbright (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:17AM EDT (link)

…the whole zero-based foreign aid also was tied by Perry to jobs, by looking at having foreign aid be tied to buying American military equipment (as it already is to Israel, for example). Making it clear that domestic bankruptcy means a decline in national security is also a good way to discuss foreign policy in such a way that it relates to the vitally important domestic issues that (should) decide this election.

concur...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 8:07AM EDT (link)

…and a flashback to McCain’s brain-freeze is of-interest…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oWzaioeTT0
…to illustrate how [except for this gaffe] Perry has been great during the past 2 debates.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

brilliant observation 5! nt.

Justin Spagnolo (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:00AM EDT (link)

n.t.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 
 
 
 
 

Major Garrett is now on PMSBC...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 6:20AM EDT (link)

…and his first comment was anti-Cain. EE was quoted by Joe as an “absolute disaster for Cain” positively. Thus, it is hoped he will “go away” because of substance. Thus, thus-far, MG retains his FNC-roots [and he appeared "responsible" as a moderator].

MG also discussed Pakistan, and how he encouraged myriad reactions. He was surprised by Perry’s “Zero-Based” Budgeting, and he joined Joe as mischaracterizing this as “Zeroing-OUT” Foreign Aid…and then segueing into a praise of Santorum/Bachmann for ongoing support of Pakistan. THIS IS NOT what transpired, with this particular example, and they concluded into a praise of The Newt [not surprising]. They then found the anti-Iran bellicosity “surprising” and “news-worthy” prior to playing a video thereof [of Mitt, representing the field]. Joe found this “laughable” because this “line in the sand was going to be crossed” [even among Bush-ites] and another Lib [Katy Kay, assuming I didn't misspell her very-British name] piled onto this argument [without providing an alternative].

Wisely, Joe pivoted into attacking Mitt [as Huntsman had done] for claiming he’d bring China to the WTO [which is both uncertain and off-putting] properly…thereby avoiding the necessity to discuss what would be done to stop Iran form nuking-up. KK then said Paul reflected the anti-war sentiments she sensed in the audience. Remember, BHO pledged they wouldn’t get the bomb, a minor-point that no one chose to recall.

The Newt was then praised for having supported Clinton on multiple foreign-policy events of the 1990′s…and then attacked for having “said whatever it takes to get an applause-line”…even as he was then attacked for supporting Perry’s $-approach to foreign policy.

That MG was SILENT when no one called-out those who have been vacuous regarding Iran is telling; he needs to be REMINDED of what one hopes he would recall from what he should have absorbed in his prior position.

Steele is also supportive of The Newt WITHOUT critique of his statism/elitism, again reflecting how he has been chosen as a commentator for PMSNBC. MG also praised The Newt…and then segued into state-by-state discussion of primaries and the electoral-college.

Ultimately, Romney was viewed as the victor [by defaul], again conveniently forgetting that he “enjoys” that infamous glass-ceiling…

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE of what we must now tackle: We must scrutinize those who are “processing” the ongoing GOP-POTUS primary-campaign!

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

The buzz about Perry in Iowa....

circlegranch Monday, November 14th at 7:14AM EDT (link)

I have the Des Moines Register on my list of must-check websites at least twice daily. This morning, there’s an article (and photos) of a campaign flyer that’s been mailed out from Team Perry.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/10/what-is-this-boy-thinking-new-perry-mailer-in-Iowa-says/?odessey=obinsite

The mailer is compelling and very appealing to small town/rural voters. Entitled, “What is this boy THINKING?”, it shows a photo of Perry as a boy standing with a pony. Other photos include a wedding picture of he and Anita, a photo of Perry as an AF pilot and it explains his background in farming, the military and his commitment to family values.

Political journalist for the Des Moines Register, Kathie Obradovich, in summarizing the Sat. night debate, writes this morning that Perry “got his head above water” with his performance, while Cain “never got out of the shallow end” and displayed only “an inch deep” understanding of foreign policy.

The Register has also reported in the last few days that the Evangelical vote is still up for grabs in Iowa. It should be noted that Dr. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family in Colorado Springs, has spoken highly of Gov. Perry.

Following the Debaucle Debate, interviews were conducted and results were mixed in Iowa but not all was lost for Gov. Perry. Several folks quoted in the newspaper said Perry’s brain freeze didn’t change their minds negatively toward him or that some were simply going to have to reconsider him based on upcoming events.

Onward we tread.

 

Agree, Dr. S -

cbartlett Monday, November 14th at 12:08PM EDT (link)

I am very worried about how the MSM is Perry-bashing. And it is so obvious to those of us who spend the time studying this that the Bushes, GOP establishment and even Fox News seem to all be out to get him to drop out of the running. My husband left HLN on this morning and only saw 5 minutes of it before walking out the door and they were harping on a SNL segment making fun of Perry’s Wed. night debate moment. I know that they will repeat that video clip at least once an hour all day long today – that’s what they do. I occasionally work in a public, PR-type job related to political issues and the one thing I’ve learned over the years is that a very large percentage of voters are highly uninformed and get their information from MSM sound bytes, relatives or co-workers (who are possibly even more uninformed, or worse, mis-informed, than they are), shows like SNL or websites and email chains that put out one person’s biased opinions with no facts to back them up. How on earth do we counteract that huge volume of mis-information with that much money and airtime supporting it? I wish someone would design a simple chart showing all of the candidates down one side, major issues across the top and fill in the squares with each one’s positions. It would be so obvious that Perry is the only true conservative if the information was laid out that way. Might even wake up a few Fox News people!

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln

 
 

Zero Based Budgeting Foreign Aid

bobguzzardi Monday, November 14th at 6:56AM EDT (link)

A very good idea. Rep. Ted Poe of Texas makes the point very well.

 

The Best Of Perry in the Debate

bzip Monday, November 14th at 6:59AM EDT (link)

For those who missed the debate and are joining us now I wanted to show some of the highlights from the debate on Saturday. Perry was excellent, he drove the conversation in Saturday debate.

Perry Vows To Start Foreign Aid Budgets At Zero
http://youtu.be/m2UbCo7I43Y

Perry Jokes About Debate Gaffe
http://youtu.be/FJh205O-8a4

Perry: Politicians Don’t Run Pakistan, Secret Service Does
http://youtu.be/2SZemeZhPlY

South Carolina Republican 2012 Presidential Debate pt.6 (Perry at 11:07 where he slam Ron Paul)
http://youtu.be/siJlfSNCe7M

South Carolina Republican 2012 Presidential Debate pt.7 (Perry at 13:20)
http://youtu.be/zArgIK5gnkw

 

Cain and Newt are not serious candidates

NickDeringer (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:30AM EDT (link)

Perry has more substance than any of the others. Putting the “gaffe” aside he has actually thought about what he would do as president. Given his military experience I’m not surprised that he actually gets foreign policy.

Cain is fading fast the more he speaks.
Newt’s baggage has yet to th hit the fan and when it does he will collapse. Who’s left after that? Bachmann? Santorum? Huntsman?

Perry/Rubio 2012 because nobody does America like Texas.

Rubio has been as definitive as had been Sherman...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:44AM EDT (link)

…with regard to BOTH positions on the ticket, repeatedly, for months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

Nick, can I ask you a question?

lineholder (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:52AM EDT (link)

Perry has already been criticized for putting too much emphasis on Texas and not enough emphasis on the USA. It is a bit offensive to the rest of us who live in the other 49 states, Nick. Whoever the next President may be, we don’t want it to be someone who supports only a limited sector of the people in this nation like Obama does, okay? Public perception matters a lot on this point.

I’ve seen comments coming very heavily from Perry supporters glorifying Texas during the last week or so. If you know that there has been a criticism addressed towards the candidate you support on this issue, why do Perry supporters keep doing it? I don’t understand it in the least, seriously, because it isn’t exactly helpful to Perry at this point. So why do it?

Three reasons...

porkandcheese Monday, November 14th at 10:13PM EDT (link)

1. Texas has produced 40% of the jobs in the US during the past couple of years, and people have been moving there in droves.

2. Rick Perry has been the governor there for a decade, and his record is up for discussion as a presidential candidate.

3. Wait a minute. It will come to me.

 

Clearly, lineholder, I am not Nick.

acat (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:31PM EDT (link)

I am also not a Texan, nor on the payroll of anyone running for any office.

porkandcheese brings up the main two points below – Perry is running on his record as the top dog in Texas, so naturally Texas is going to come up…

What I’m not clear on, lineholder, is what you’d like Perry to run on instead of his record. I’m not trying to take a shot at you here, I’d really like to know.

Let me try restating some of the high points below without mentioning Texas…

Perry’s record of government-executive executive experience is the best of those still in the race, he’s run a State longer than Gary Johnson, who ran New Mexico twice as long as Romney ran the Peoples’ Republic of Massachusetts.

Further Perry ran a State with significantly more people than both New Mexico and Massachusetts combined.

Finally, Perry’s State grew jobs faster than the other 49 States combined, so he and his republican-led legislature can safely be assumed to be onto something, right?

Mew

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acat, I'm not disputing his record

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 12:02AM EDT (link)

Truly, I’m not. I’m genuinely baffled, because this makes no sense to me.

There’s a huge gap in mentality between the kind of outlook that I personally have on a lot of things and what I’ve seen displayed repeatedly in some of comments made by the more fervent Perry supporters. I’m not dissing them, okay? They seem to be determined to follow a specific narrative, and the same types of comments get repeated over and over again. This just seems to be the status quo of “how things are done in politics” and they’re content with that. During the course of the past week to ten days, they’ve made comments galore glorifying Texas. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen someone under the moniker of NickDeringer posting the same kinds of comments at HA. I don’t know if it’s the same person, but awful coincidental if it isn’t, ehh?

On my side of it, I’m not much of one for “narratives”, acat. They come across as being pretentious and disingenuous, to the point of being dishonest, not to mention being totally lacking in sincerity. With the kind of mood the general electorate is in, people are just weary of that kind of thing and it isn’t effective. Plus, I’m just more inclined to think we have a better chance of succeeding if we shoot straight with people in a genuine and sincere way about why we believe Conservatism is our country’s best option. So I guess you could say I’m a non-conformer of the first degree on the entire buying into the narrative/supporting the narrative stuff.

All of that being considered, if a supporter of a candidate knows that a candidate has been criticized on a certain point, does it accomplish anything positive to make comments repeatedly that draw attention to that criticism?
Even if it is just for the sake of sticking to some sort of “narrative”, does it accomplish anything positive? If it does, can you explain to me how and why that is true?

I genuinely don’t get it, acat. If it was me, I’d be doing some independent thinking and if I saw evidence to indicate that it was becoming an obstacle that was reducing my chances of genuinely connecting with other voters, I’d chunk the narrative in a heartbeat.

Sorry to interrupt here, but, lineholder, may I ask you

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 12:18AM EDT (link)

a couple of questions? First, maybe it is just me, but I don’t understand what you are saying here. Could you elaborate on what it is you don’t like in a way that even I might understand? Second, what is it about Texas that is so disgusting to you?

No one from Texas wishes to offend you or anyone else. We are a teasing, fun-loving crowd who, generally speaking, welcome one and all. It is not an exclusive club, it is a mindset that anyone can have all around the world. That mindset includes love of God, country and flag, conservative values and, by george, we will fight to defend those things against all comers. Not for the state of Texas per se, but for this great nation of ours and for all it once stood, which just happens to include Texas.

pttx333, first of all

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 12:45AM EDT (link)

the whole “narrative” thing has bothered me from the get-go. That’s nothing personal directed at you or anyone else, per se. It just isn’t my “style”. Even as far back as freentn, it bugged the dickens out of me. That was back in my more naive days, before I learned that this kind of thing is just considered “normal” during the course of politics. The belittling and ridiculing of people…yeah, that ticked me off, because I’m very staunch in my beliefs about wanting to see Conservatism win first and foremost, and I don’t see belittling and ridiculing people for differences in opinions as being conducive to success. That’s just me.

Secondly, there’s nothing about Texas that disgusts me. I lived there for a short period of time about ten years ago. But my heart and lifeblood are here on the East coast, much in the same way that the heart and lifeblood of a Texan is in Texas.

When I say “glorifying” Texas, I’m basically talking about the comments that have been made putting Texas high on a pedestal, as if it is the ONLY personification of what it TRULY American. People from Texas may feel that way, and given that I have some of the exact same loyalty to my home state of SC, I can relate to it. It isn’t accurate, though, pttx. Even if it is what we feel, there are 50 states in this nation, and they each have a part of play.

But seeing the same kinds of comments made over and over again after weeks on end of seeing much the same in so many other ways…yeah, it comes across as “narrative”, pttx. Sorry, but it does.

Even if it is legit (and if it is, I apologize), under the circumstances, I’d still wonder about it. What I mean is suppose that Nikki Haley was running for President, and suppose there were plenty of things that she could brag about during her time as Gov., and suppose she made some comments along these lines at different times while running for President that made it sound like she wasn’t really thinking about the nation as a whole…just SC. And suppose the response of the general public was negative.

Well, at that point, if I’m a supporter of Nikki Haley’s, I’m going to be cautious about how much emphasis I put on this, because there’s been evidence that it may have offended some people, it didn’t help her any, and I’d see no need to draw attention to that, okay? Even if I was working for a campaign, and they said “we want you to use this narrative about how great SC is and just keep saying it over and over”, if during the course of conversations with people I thought it was more of a hindrance than a help, I’d be chunking the narrative. Seriously. If it does more harm than good, why do it?

I don’t get it. But like I told acat, I’m a non conformer on such things anyway.

So, what should Texans talk about if not Perry's record in Texas?

avagreen Tuesday, November 15th at 12:51AM EDT (link)

If anyone else was talking about their candidate who is the Governor of their state for the past 10 years, Lt. Gov before that, and Agriculture Commissioner (all in Texas), what else would there be to talk about?

It’s been mentioned that he was a commissioned pilot in the AF for two years……..”not in Texas” for the record.

Give me a hint. What else?

I’d expect the same thing from any citizen of any state where their Governor was running for President. On what else info could remarks be made?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

avagreen, I've no objection to his record

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 1:24AM EDT (link)

I’ve already stated that very plainly. I’ve on objections to people talking about the record of any candidate, good or bad. In fact, I think it should be that way.

What I do object to is the constant narrative. Political junkies may be hunky-dory die-hards for it, sold to the very end of what a wonderful thing it is.

But there are those of us who aren’t. I was totally naive to it eight weeks ago. I honestly did not know that this is just the way things are in politics, and I genuinely wasn’t expecting to see it unfold the way that it did. It isn’t working well in this kind of environment, simply because people are sick of hearing narratives all the time…they’ve gotten plenty of it from the left during the past three years, so I can understand why they don’t appreciate it very much.

I’m not a political junky, avagreen. That’s just how it is. I’m just an everyday ordinary citizen.

What is a narrative?

avagreen Tuesday, November 15th at 3:36AM EDT (link)

^^

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

What I've been seeing which is a "constant" is the reporting of facts to correct the flat outright lies and smears of Perry.....

avagreen Tuesday, November 15th at 3:41AM EDT (link)

and it does get tiresome to read “them” over and over and over ad nauseum.

Do you get tired of that? I sure do.
I also tire of having to constantly refute the same lying garbage about him over and over……the lies, myths, and smears.

So, how do you feel about the SAME inaccuracies of his record that have to be answered? Over and over?

Any complaints there?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 
 
 

No, lineholder, you don't get it and completely

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 12:55AM EDT (link)

misread what I wrote. I’m sorry that you did. I will say nothing more along any of those lines, you are who you are and I am who I am. I wish no foul to anyone on this planet until and unless they wish to harm me or mine. But, in this instance, you be who you are and I’ll be me.

No one would ever give a minute’s thought to Haley running on her record in SC – and that applies to any other governor in the nation. What else are they to run on that can be proven? And I do foresee great things for Haley, BTW.

Sorry for my earlier post.

That's fine, pttx333

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 1:27AM EDT (link)

I was being genuinely honest with you in my response. I know that a lot of people see it as being taboo to talk about some of these things.

Good luck in what you choose.

lineholder, thank you for the response. Now, in what

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 1:41AM EDT (link)

way are you are referring to our writing as being “narratives.” Speaking for myself, I too am your normal, salt-of-the-earth senior citizen and my words come through my fingers as I type, and from nowhere else or no one else. Just my thoughts, period. I like to think of RS as a place to come to discuss, debate, have fun and to meet all sorts of wonderful people – a support group of sorts, if you will.

Given that you probably will not wish to read anything I may be saying at the time, it would probably be best to just scroll on past my posts, because I am not going to stop posting. The only ones who have the role here are the powers-that-be.

So that is fine – no harm, no foul.

I've no objection to reading what you posts, pttx333

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 2:24AM EDT (link)

I used to think the same way you do about RS. Lately, I’ve just been more tentative about some things. Most of the people I’d established relationships with over three years have either moved on or don’t post very much anymore. The site has changed quite a bit during that time.

A narrative is something that is used to try to dictate the outcome, pttx333. It’s a means of trying to influence public opinion. It isn’t genuine and sincere. There’s been enough of it during the past two months that it casts something of a shadow on what could be genuine and sincere, I guess. I’ll have to think about that one a bit. The right uses them, just like the left does, just not as much and in a different way…most of the time.

What I do want you to know is that I’ve got nothing against Gov. Perry personally. If he can succeed in engaging Independents, then he has a chance to win this. Some people seem to think that if all Conservatives back him at once, Independents will join in. I’m a bit too much of realist to believe that. There aren’t enough Conservatives to have that much influence. I think he’ll have to win Independents over somehow. It still remains to be seen if he can do this.

The "All conservatives" thing...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 9:14AM EDT (link)

worked precisely twice – George W. Bush – and I’m convinced it’s why we’re seeing the kind of dirt now that’d normally get saved for the general.

My hypothesis is that the smarter folk on the Left know Obama’s finished, and would prefer Romney to everyone else on the GOP side, so we’re seeing innuendo and mud now that would usually be the “October Surprise” of 2012.

Perry needs to reach out to the center. IMO, his Letterman (etc) exposure helps him quite a lot here – he’s shown himself to be a real person, and able to laugh at himself. That’s going to count for more with the middle – whose decisions are NOT driven by ideology – than if he’d gone with anything more appealing to conservatives.

As for Red State, I expect the signal-to-noise ratio to get worse before it gets better, but .. by next June it may get better. It depends on whether Red State is going to become the latest victim of its’ own success – the more people there are in a room, the harder it is to engage each one individually in a meaningful conversation, and Red State has grown quite a lot. Time (and good moderators) will tell.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

Just tell the mods to buy a few recipe books...

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 9:18AM EDT (link)

…and pass out chill pills to the more heated among us (myself included), and we should be alright, so long as the trolls get whacked.

 

Nodding in agreement with you, cat. Perry, if elected,

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 9:35AM EDT (link)

will be the President of Ameria, not just conservatives. Now, as much as everyone would like their choice to govern in 100% in line with their beliefs, that isn’t going to happen (nor should it) with anyone.

For instance, given the sorry state we have come to under the leadership of a man who rules as anti-American and contrarian to who we are, this election must be concentrated on the strongest leader in two areas – foreign policy and economic. If we are not secure and are under constant threat with no viable plan to secure our borders and our safety (as much as it can be done), and if we have a large segment of the populace who is starving, it seems to me that not much else matters until those two issues are corrected. We can go about dealing with the others issues at a later date. Because, IMO, if we are blown to smithereens or overtaken by another power, nothing else matters as to the remainder of our principles/beliefs – we will never be allowed to consider them anyway after such an occurrence.

But that is just me and my opinion and applies to this time in history as I know it.

Look deeper, pttx333.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 9:44AM EDT (link)

What we’re seeing is the failure of big government to do big things..

This isn’t just the failure of Obama, this is the failure of the “Blue State” (i.e. liberal/nanny) model. To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, we’ve run out of other peoples’ money.

Perry, I think, gets this. He may not speak to it directly, but his experiences with the EPA and other federal agencies sure give the impression that he understands we need to wind down D.C.

This may initially appear as hyperbole but .. and this is where you have the advantage, think about how the role of the Federal Government has changed in your lifetime.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

You better bet the farm on that, cat. I fully agree with

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 9:55AM EDT (link)

your statement. We have morphed into a PC, liberal, “Nanny Bloomy” style country that I abhor – and which has taken away many of our freedoms. D.C. is truly an unwieldly, bumbling-along, incompetent creation of such things and were rubber stamped into such by both Dems and Repubs of the RINO bent. I know who Perry is, and he is in no way blowing smoke at anyone – he has said he will dismantle DC as it now stands, and you can take that to the bank.

Bottom line, ye Wise One, you are correct, and it is so noted and agreed to by me. Bingo.

Additionally, cat, there are so many things that have

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 10:22AM EDT (link)

brought us to this point in time and go back many decades, more than a century actually. Yes, I am blessed that I am among the few who has pretty much “seen it all – been there, done that, didn’t even get a T-shirt for my efforts.” This has been allowed/condoned by both sides and has been accomplished by beating down our freedoms (one by one), our values (feminism, for one), our mores, (you get the drift) in nibbless, it is just that now, with the election of b.o. and his minions/puppeteer(s), it has been put into overdrive and hopped up with steroids. We are falling fast.

Going back, cat, when I was a kid, we ran the “streets” (neighborhood) with total and complete freedom from being kidnapped or accosted. I climbed the tallest trees playing Tarzan (yep, a tomboy was I) and, gasp, never wore a helmet or had special special equipment while swinging through the trees on nothing more than a rope with sawhorses to land on. You bet I fell out of a tree more than once, but there would be my beloved German Shepherd, Major, to comfort me while I was gasping to get back my breath. Rode bicycles (no helmet, kneepads, elbow pads) wherever we wished, went rabbit hunting with the other neighborhood kids with (oh, no!) bb guns! We played “Annie Over” by throwing a ball over the house to each other – yep, got bonked a few times, but somehow we all made it through. Believe it or not, we all survived. I have maybe a few scars that I wouldn’t have gotten in today’s world, but I wouldn’t have had the blissful, carefree childhood that I did either – and all of it completely innocent.

My Papa could not wait for me to get a driver’s license so I could be the family chauffeur, so he began teaching me to drive when I was 11 years old – had to sit on a pillow since I was a tiny little peanut. Got a ticket that same year going to piano lessons about 8 blocks away – Mom couldn’t take me because she was sick. Papa went to the judge, explained the story and not another word was said. Got my license on my 14th birthday and am one helluva driver – never had another ticket or an accident.

I busted my son’s butt once in the middle of JC Penney when he was about 3-1/2. He got away from me and was running under and around all of the clothes racks. Boy, did he catch it when I caught up with him – also had my tiny baby daughter with me. Nobody was horrified, no one called the cops, he was not beaten – but do you know what, he NEVER did it again.

I’ve got a million of these ordinary, common-folk, common-sense stories, cat – so compare the glory of the life I once had to the pitiful world we all live in today given our PC crowd, the raving greenies, PETA crowd, and on and on ad nauseum.

Sorry for yet another rant, dear, but when I get on a roll, I’m on a roll. ;-)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Ken Blackwell: "Perry Can Win if Leadership Trumps Debates"

circlegranch Monday, November 14th at 7:42AM EDT (link)

In an article appearing today at www.dailycaller.com, Ken Blackwell (he was a contender against Michael Steele for the Chair of the GOP position) co-authors an EXCELLENT, MUST-READ article with Ken Klukowski, in which they write, “…media is deliberately ignoring his (Perry) record and charisma”.

The article also highlights the fact that Thomas Jefferson was horrible at public speaking, so much so that he did not deliver the Constitutionally-mandated State of the Union address and instead, sent a letter to Congress.

Blackwell/Klukowski maintain that Perry’s “proposals on tax reform, energy, healthcare and re-empowering the states through federalism could make him a transformational president”. Now THAT’S the fundamental transformation of America I can get behind!

Blackwell/Klukowski are co-authors of “The Blueprint”. Excellent reading.

Please put this article on your list today as a must-read. Again, its excellent and should be shared at Facebook pages and sent around via email.

Also, Blackwell has often appeared on Fox and has been a guest on Hannity’s different programs. Let’s contact our friends at Fox and Mr. Hannity and ask that they invite Mr. Blackwell on for HIS analysis of candidate potential!

reinforcing this view...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:51AM EDT (link)

…is Krauthammer’s conclusion:

“For Republicans, this means there is no coasting to victory, 9 percent unemployment or not. They need substance. They need an articulate candidate with an agenda and command of the issues who is light on slogans and lighter still on baggage.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/inquirer/20111114_Charles_Krauthammer__GOP_s_edge_has_vanished.html

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

Blackwell has a number of great-columns...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:58AM EDT (link)

…so emphasizing his input constitutes a welcome opportunity.

http://dailycaller.com/buzz/ken-blackwell/

Note his most-recent 14 columns; the headlines alone cry for “attention to be paid” [apologies to Willy Loman, "Death of a Salesman"].

Perry can win if leadership trumps debates
November 12th, 2011
Gov. Rick Perry stated at the outset of his presidential campaign that he is running for president based on his principles and leadership accomplishments, not his oratorical skills. By focusing on Perry’s debate missteps, the media is deliberately ignoring his record and charisma. (more)

Ken Blackwell on Herman Cain: ‘Foolish’ for campaign to play the race card [VIDEO]
November 7th, 2011
On Sunday night’s “Geraldo at Large” on the Fox News Channel, Ken Blackwell — a black conservative politician, activist and Rick Perry supporter — questioned the willingness of Cain and his supporters to raise the race card in the middle of the controversy. (more)

The possibility of an Israeli strike on Iran should be taken seriously
November 4th, 2011
The headlines are stark indeed: “Israel Readies a Pre-Emptive Strike.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is said to be working to persuade reluctant members of his coalition cabinet to go along with such a military option against Islamist Iran. The Huffington Post’s British edition reports Netanyahu saying this: (more)

The Arab Spring has turned into an Islamist fall
October 30th, 2011
Reuters’s Paul Chapman has filed a report from Tunis. There have been elections there, less than one year after an uprising ousted dictator Zine al Abidine Ben Ali. The former Tunisian strongman is said to be enjoying his retirement in Saudi Arabia. There, Ben Ali doubtless has seen news coverage of the bloody end of his neighboring desert despot, Moammar Gadhafi. Ben Ali is probably offering prayers of thanks that he got out of Dodge in time. (more)

Let the (drone) thing be pressed
October 4th, 2011
The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki last week has sparked spirited discussions in the prestige press and on the Web. Awlaki was an American-born Muslim cleric who once headed a mosque in Falls Church, Virginia. But he traveled to Yemen, where he became a leader of al Qaida on the Arabian Peninsula. He urged fellow jihadists to take up arms and to engage in terror attacks on the United States, the country of his birth and citizenship. (more)

Will Obama destroy Franciscan University of Steubenville?
October 2nd, 2011
Daniel Webster was the most famous lawyer of his day. In 1819, the “Godlike Daniel” stood before the U.S. Supreme Court and argued passionately for the right of Dartmouth College to govern itself, and not to be brought under the rule of the New Hampshire legislature. Webster appealed to the Constitution, arguing that New Hampshire’s actions would violate the provision that forbade states to “impair the obligations of contract.” But the emotional power of his argument caught the attention of Chief Justice John Marshall and Justice Joseph Story — and, in truth, captured the hearts of the country. (more)

Hillary: Counting Jews in Jerusalem
September 12th, 2011
The normally sensible Forbes magazine recently named Hillary Clinton the second-most-powerful woman in the world. That’s absurd. She’s clearly not even the second-most-powerful woman in the Obama administration. For influence on this president, she clearly walks behind Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett and Kathleen Sebelius. (more)

Electing Barack Obama didn’t make the world love us
September 10th, 2011
In liberals’ frenzy to elect Barack Obama in 2008, no one was quite as far out to sea as Andrew Sullivan, a respected columnist for The Atlantic. He served up his “Daily Dish” by the plateful. Here’s perhaps the hottest example of his rhetoric — quoted endlessly around the blogosphere — back then: (more)

President Obama’s comity central
September 8th, 2011
His appeal to comity — defined as a friendly social atmosphere, social harmony — was undoubtedly Barack Obama’s greatest attribute as a candidate. He promised a new politics, a new cordiality. No more red-state/blue-state divisions. He touted his Senate friendship with Oklahoma’s Tom Coburn. It was genuine. On the campaign trail in 2008, Sen. Obama offered his sitting down with Tom Coburn as an example of how he could reach out to opponents and bring disparate groups together. (more)

Obama’s imperial presidency
September 6th, 2011
President Barack Obama’s National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) is on a job-killing rampage. It’s claiming unprecedented powers far beyond what federal law allows. In the context of Obama’s other agencies’ decisions, these executive actions paint a picture of what has become an imperial presidency. (more)

Is Hillary Clinton really the world’s second-most-powerful woman?
August 31st, 2011
Forbes magazine, which is a respected resource for business leaders, recently came out with a list of the world’s most powerful women. Not surprisingly, Forbes chose German Chancellor Angela Merkel as No. 1. This is doubtless because the conservative Merkel has been trying to get the European Union to shape up. Putting out economic fires in Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal, Germany’s financial strength has been put to the test. Just how much longer can the E.U. rely on Germany’s productivity to subsidize European sloth? Merkel is like the old E.F. Hutton ads on TV: When Angela talks, Europeans listen. (more)

Aborting the Monroe Doctrine
August 6th, 2011
For almost two hundred years, the Monroe Doctrine has been a cornerstone of American foreign policy. First proclaimed in December 1823, the message from President James Monroe to the imperialist ruling houses of Europe was bold and unmistakable: The Western Hemisphere, including the Latin American colonies that were throwing off European rule, was not open to further colonization, and the U.S. would view any attempts by Europeans to extend their existing colonies into independent American states or to interfere with those states’ attempts to achieve independence as hostile acts against us, the United States of America. (more)

Avoiding the danger of a ‘clean’ BBA
July 31st, 2011
Liberals are trying to kill the prospect of a balanced-budget amendment (BBA) in the ongoing battle over the debt ceiling. Some on the right respond that they might settle for a “clean” BBA. But there are two types of clean BBAs, one of which would be worse than no BBA at all. (more)

A clear and present danger: The national popular vote plan
July 29th, 2011
“Revenge is a dish best served cold” is an old French expression. Maybe American politicos ought to pay attention to the wisdom of our overseas friends. We’ve had almost 11 years to contemplate the 2000 election. The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Bush v. Gore resolved that election some 43 days after Election Day. It was a wrenching experience for millions. Still, we can take pardonable pride in the fact that the mail went out every day, no tanks rumbled through our nation’s capital and we didn’t have any fistfights in Congress over the result. (more)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/buzz/ken-blackwell/#ixzz1dgTB4pPC

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Blackwell would have been better than Steele

porkandcheese Monday, November 14th at 10:17PM EDT (link)

Let’s hope Republicans don’t mess up this badly again when choosing a nominee.

 
 

I just read the article you suggested

paladin1 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 12:17PM EDT (link)

and it is on point. Your suggestion regarding an appearance on Fox by Blackwell is a good one.

“I will work every day to make Washington, DC as inconsequential in your life as I can.”

Governor Rick Perry, Texas

And now he brings the fight back home to Texas. What a man of class! 01/19/12

 

Circle, the liars are out in force over there, posting their smut.

avagreen Monday, November 14th at 1:41PM EDT (link)

I’ve added a few rebuttals.
Some more would help.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

Yes and No again

gator_hoo (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 8:05AM EDT (link)

I agree on the one hand that he did very well, and was at the very least the best non-Newt, and arguably the best period. It SHOULD be enough for redemption. But Perry’s strong performance was largely either ignored or tucked away at a number of the “conservativish, but more establishment” outlets, who focused on Gingrinch’s rule of law moment and Paul and Bachmann’s lack of questions and the email. Fox News Sunday said Mitt and Gingrinch has good debates, not mentioning Perry. Hot Air had an article saying Perry won the debate, but if you only looked at their headlines you wouldn’t know that Perry was even there.

Perry has almost always been the most legitimate threat to Romney, and has been treated as such by the MSM, ELM (establishment leaning media), and the other candidates.

 

"Perry forcefully reasserted himself in debate",

circlegranch Monday, November 14th at 8:14AM EDT (link)

writes Erin McPike today at Real Clear Politics in the column, “In S.C. Debate, Perry Breaks New Ground on Foreign Aid”.

I hesitate to always include the actual link to articles, going back to a much earlier comment I made here. I appreciate the convenience myself of being able to click and read. I do, however, maintain that doing ones’ own research provides ownership of the information one collects. Also, by referring only to the website where a specific article is found, allows the reader to read other articles that may well be of interest also.

Last night I referenced the fact that George Will’s wife has joined the Perry team as a debate/messaging advisor. Will was the subject of some attack on yesterday’s Sunday shows because of it. He reminded his critics that Candidate Obama had said he’d visited 57 states and he ended up in the White House.

 

circlegranch,

texasroots Monday, November 14th at 8:24AM EDT (link)

I am glad that Will’s wife is on Perry’s team, it’s a big help. Have you noticed that as soon as Perry brought on his national team, Nelson Warfield , Tony Fabrizio and Curt Anderson, (to name a few) all hell broke loose.

 

And

gunslingr45 Monday, November 14th at 8:32AM EDT (link)

we are right back to the Perry channel here at RS.

“For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a taste the protected will never know”
IN GOD WE TRUST

what's wrong with spewing-forth truths...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:45AM EDT (link)

…that aren’t aggregated elsewhere?

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

gunslingr: I might suggest that if you don't like RS,

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 3:17PM EDT (link)

there are hundreds of other websites with which you might feel more comfortable.

Thank you.

 
 

The problem with those poll numbers is that

ihateliberals Monday, November 14th at 8:35AM EDT (link)

no body to amount to anything saw the debates. I quit watching them because they aren’t showing me the candidates. They are being run by liberals and the format is horrible.It’s the WWE of Candidates. It seems that the best response at these debates is to just keep your mouth shut. the media is pushing the poll numbers the way they want to see and the real people the real voters aren’t being consulted yet. I hope and pray that the real voters show up for the primaries and blow the three stooges out of the running. They being Romney (Moe), Perry (Larry) and Cain (Curly). It is time tht the real conservatives and the people that really care about our well being were allowed to come to the forefront. We need to start hearing about what they are gong to do about Obamacare? How are they going to stimulate the economy and throw out all of the Obama crap he put into motion. so far all I have heard in the debates is he said she said and nothing to do with the real world. No real Republican could possibly be for Mitt Romney. Romney is a Mass. Liberal that runs on the Republican ticket. There has never been a conservative in Mass and why would we think tht Romney could be? For God’s sake he designed Obamacare!!!! As far as I am concerned anyone that is against Obama and Romney can get my vote.

as a "political reality show"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:46AM EDT (link)

…they are mandatory viewing, much as one might find some sequellae distasteful.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

the debates are somewhat like coming up on an auto accident;

circlegranch Monday, November 14th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

we want to look away, but somehow we find ourselves gawking anyway and then being horrified by what we see.

I don’t think this past debate on Sat. night was the usual debaucle. Perhaps we’re too used to seeing some other candidates getting all the media buzz afterward.

As expected, Rush dismissed the debate almost entirely today, saying it wasn’t worth watching. Hannity’s up next. Please let me know how it goes; I can’t bear to listen to the man anymore.

 
 
 

Good news for Perry

celador2 Monday, November 14th at 8:55AM EDT (link)

At last Perry showed he is smart and can talk on his feet. I like what he says. I like teh zero foreign aid and hope he keeps it there.

I like his plans to exit UN. His apology to voters for calling them heartless on in state tuition was appreciated but his promise on Fox news to seal the border in a year was a home run for supporters. And his tax plan is the best I have seen.

Perry has much experience and presides over a state where jobs grow. I like him and pray he has the courage to stay in the race and shine.

My choice for VP at this point is Bob McDonnell gov VA.

he doesn't want to "exit the UN"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:48AM EDT (link)

…but he would force people to reconsider assumptions…adopting an attitude that isn’t dissimilar with his zero-based budgeting of foreign policy.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Perry zeroo based foreign aid

celador2 Monday, November 14th at 2:07PM EDT (link)

There are voters like myself who admire Perry for not rubber stamping foreign aid. He would make all who want aid start at zero and explain.

I oppose the sugar daddy of the world model US has adopted so that position of starting from zero is a refreshing change.
He may start at zero but end up who knows where.

The status quo and its special interests are pretty powerful in DC, more so than even campaign promises. Still, Perry is refreshing so far.

What other policies trouble you?

 

Making policy react to reality is always a plus, eh Doctor?

acat (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:11PM EDT (link)

After all, should we continue paying Egypt now that the regime we had a bargain with has fallen out of power?

If the new boss is willing to make the same deal as the old boss, then .. yes. Otherwise, not so much.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 

@celador: Don't doubt Perry's courage. He has that

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:30PM EDT (link)

in spades, and then some. He is not a three-term governor for nothing – he is a true winner in all ways!

 
 

Perry Campaign UP DOWN

arthurmanger17 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:09AM EDT (link)

Perry was up way up when he entered the race. he started to slip and kept slipping. The Gaffe did not cause the slip. Slippage in the polls stared way before two debates ago.
It has been noted that Cain didn’t do well this debate on “foreign policy” criticizing the choice of campaign staff. Yet that criticism is not new yet he is at or near the top in the polls. Since he is running a campaign and not a country seems he’s done pretty well in his choices so far.
Now their are suggestions of a Perry/Rubio ticket, a bright idea to float out there that will hopefully link Rubio with Perry to help Perry in the primaries. The chances of a Perry/Rubio ticket as everybody should know is very little, at best.
The Washington insiders see the possibility of being pushed out in the cold looking in. A lot of the post above are a testament to that fact.

 

Perry's performance

okiejim Monday, November 14th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

I disagree that Perry redeemed himself. I didn’t hear him answer one question directly. His response to a question was “well first I would like to go back and respond to another question/response” asked of another candidate.
Newt and Bachman were straight forward with their responses, and in my opinion they did best of all. Romney is the consummate politician, although most of his responses pretty much resonated with me.

turn up your hearing aid?

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 9:54AM EDT (link)

even the msm/lsm recognized he not only was on-point, but he also led the narrative. was he not the only person who called for boycotting the iranian bank? What’s wrong with using his time productively, if he has a point to make about a prior query?

The Newt and Michele may be straight-forward, but then you are obligated to examine what they say. Did you agree with Newt agreeing with Cain when the latter ruled-out use of military force when confronting iran?

Did you agree with romney that we should pull-out of afghanistan by the end of 2012? THIS is why RS is such a vital organ, for it serves as an educational conduit.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

I don't know if a life line will do much at this point..

TSquared Monday, November 14th at 9:25AM EDT (link)

For starters – let me just say – I like Perry. He seems like an alright guy and for the most part seems to come down right on most issues. I really felt bad for him during – and after – the now infamous 53 seconds. However, I just don’t see any viability left in his campaign at the moment.

From here on out there will be no confidence in Perry from one debate to the next. Even time Perry responds everybody will be cringing – not knowing if they are about to witness another train wreck. How do you expect anybody to get behind him if he can’t execute with confidence one of the most important functions of the the position he seeks? If he can’t be counted on to be and effective communicator/champion to conservative ideas and his own policies – both during the election cycle and after he gets into office – the it’s fool-hardy to think he’s going to pull this out some how.

Debate skills aren't governing philosophy

curtmilr Monday, November 14th at 9:52AM EDT (link)

T-squared,
You are equating debate talking points to actual reasoned positions and expositions of same. If you have not seen the more in depth interviews and set speeches that Gov. Perry has made, you are simply minimally informed about his candidacy.
Perry excels on the stump and though a seasoned professional, has never had the occasion to excel in these debate type events. He is learning this game, and the growth curve to anyone observant is quite obvious. The last two debates were worlds apart from his prior performances. Sure, he had the brain cramp on Wednesday, but owned up to it, used humor to defuse it, and hit it out of the park on Saturday. Having watched him for over a decade, I expect that trend to continue.
He IS the true conservative candidate, still not perfect of course, but possessing sincere core principles and not flip-flopping or shallow on any position.

Fine and dandy...

TSquared Monday, November 14th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

I’m well informed about Perry’s candidacy and after having had initial high hopes for it have had to watch it painfully crater.

The guy can score well on conservative issues and have some decent policy ideas. None of that matters if you can’t sell and defend them. Perry has provided plenty of evidence that he’s not up to the task. You have to set the bar lower to say Perry does well in a debate. That’s not something you should be looking for when we get to the general and the opponent on the stage will be Obama. No matter what he says – he says it with a slow thick tongue and it’s clear that he still struggles to maintain a coherent thought. Every time he speaks, folks will be wincing and hoping that he can make it through his statement without damage being done. Not good. Not confidence inspiring.

So no matter how good he is on the issues… It’s not likely to matter much at this point… Doesn’t matter how good it is, if you can’t sell your product, it isn’t worth spit.

any problem with the "sale" on Saturday?

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:23AM EDT (link)

[and anything good about the salesmanship of his competitors?]

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 
 

be reminded of the brain-freeze demonstrated by mccain...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

…and know that it’s problematic, albeit not fatal to his campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oWzaioeTT0

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

I'm in the 52%

tailfins1959 Monday, November 14th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

Sure, I want him to stay in but have serious doubts how he would handle a crisis requiring him to think on his feet (the 3AM call as it were). I just don’t see Perry as very adaptable.

You have the right to quit Toxic People. (They’re contagious.) ~Dr. SunWolf

he handled crisis-management...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

…as was amply demonstrated in “Fed Up!” [regarding Katrina].

Thus, the key isn’t whether he’s competent; the key is how the issue will be portrayed to the GOP-electorate.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

52%

curtmilr Monday, November 14th at 10:06AM EDT (link)

tailfins,
Since when is the 3 AM call a 30 second decision under klieg lights without advisors and in depth prior intelligence breifings???

 

He can stay or go...

conservativeparrothead Monday, November 14th at 10:41AM EDT (link)

Doesnt really matter to me, but I still dont see a candidate who I believe can articulate the conservative agenda, both internationally and domestically.

So he had a good debate, and this is what I meant a while back with “surface articulation”. So the answer he gave, the zero-line starting for all countries is a good answer and one he explained well, but its also the one that requires the least amount of knowledge.

I would have been more impressed if he said, we are going to have a zero line for these specific countries and here is why, listing specific knowledge about the region, leaders, governments movements within the governments, etc. Do I believe he could of pulled that off? NO.

And as Ive mentioned before, his answer on the China cyber theft was way off topic and just dropping buzzwords, it was painfully obvious he was not “prepped” on this topic.

I believe there are three candidates in this race who have the ability to articulate viewpoints in a head to head with Obama: Gingrich, Santorum and Huntsman. Romney is close and gives some in depth answers, but it always sounds like he just studied harder and is giving exam questions in front of a college review panel for his doctrate. Bachman, Perry and Cain I believe lack that ability, which is why I wouldnt want to see them as the nominee. Would love them to be my governor, senator, rep or any other local office, just dont see them as having the skillset necessary to take the conservative agenda to the national stage in the way it needs to be done. Of course Ron Paul is articulate, but not exactly the message Im looking for.

So was Rick Perry better than “forgot the 3rd one”? Yes absolutely. Did he do anything to show people who want to see depth and articulation skills from the candidate? No.

you're omitting a key-criterion...

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:49AM EDT (link)

…namely, the message being conveyed.

Rick can’t squish into a minute the type of indepth analysis you apparently crave that he [and only he] provide you.

And the others have problems with content, as has been parsed-out here [and elsewhere].

Rick CAN go head-to-head, as he is increasingly demonstrating [absent the "absence" attack].

The key-question remains whether he can get the chance.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

He can answer the question

conservativeparrothead Monday, November 14th at 12:40PM EDT (link)

Tell me in his answer about cyber theft from China, did he mention cyber theft one time in his answer? one time?

 
 

I second that motion...

TSquared Monday, November 14th at 10:55AM EDT (link)

here here

 

I second that motion...

TSquared Monday, November 14th at 10:55AM EDT (link)

here here

 

moreover....

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:01AM EDT (link)

…regarding your big-three [Gingrich, Santorum and Huntsman], do you agree with–

Huntsman’s overtly neoisolationist foreign policy?
Santorum’s overt capitulation to Pakistani extortion?
Gingrich’s overt vacillations regarding Libya?

-and, if you don’t, compare/contrast with Rick’s forthrightness!

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

You are missing my point..

conservativeparrothead Monday, November 14th at 12:45PM EDT (link)

Those are the three that I believe can articulate the message, not saying that I agree with them on every issue.

Pakistan is a delicate issue, we know this, it takes articulation to deal with that issue: You have a country which has nukes, is unstable in the sense that you have a contingent, capable of taking power, who would instantly be a major security threat to the US. You can make the case, they already are, but again, its a case which needs to be articulated.

well put.

1spark Monday, November 14th at 1:45PM EDT (link)
 

Thank you, Dr., for spreading the word! Your comments

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:06PM EDT (link)

are illuminating and expertly explained for those with open minds

Kudos and thanks again.

 
 
 

Mr. Erickson:

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:47AM EDT (link)

In what way did the Perry campaign “get a lifeline?” Maybe I am quibbling, but getting a lifeline implies that someone rescued them. No one did.

Of course they have stumbled badly, but no one has been there to give them a hand up. Many that supported them at first were all too ready to abandon ship and join in the attack at the first sign of weakness.

Rick Perry and his team are striving valiantly and admirably to right their ship. They are making good progress so far. Should they meet with the ultimate success, it will be all to their own credit.

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I am disagreeing with the title of the thread

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:06AM EDT (link)

Not with anything you said in the diary part, Sir.

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@cheetah222

 
 

Nothing I found I could disagree with, Erick!

redmymind (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 10:50AM EDT (link)

Very concise, very impartial, and VERY CORRECT!!!

 

Till the day I die?

sethellis Monday, November 14th at 11:02AM EDT (link)

Perry had a great moment with the stay at zero, but saying his standout moment was on waterboarding is completely wrong. Regardless of whether we agree with him on the issue, we must acknowledge that this issue is a liability in the general. At one point the polls had opposition to waterboarding at 70%. He was way too strong on an issue that the public vehemently disagrees with us on. I’m not even sure the majority of Republicans would stand behind that that strong of a stance on the issue.

In fact I am shocked that the Dems haven’t already released an ad twisting Perry’s words into saying “I will defend torture until the day I die”.

He did qualify his statement

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:09AM EDT (link)

by saying that he supports enhanced interrogation, NOT torture. He didn’t say which category he thought water boarding would come under.

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cheetah2- I noticed your sig line

Scope (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:29AM EDT (link)

and love it. When Pence was considering a run for the presidency, he had some very strong supporters here if he decided to get in the race. I think it’s pretty safe to say that those supporters are mostly on the Perry support side now.

If Pence hadn’t decided to run for Gov. of IN, can you imagine a Perry/Pence ticket? One can dream!

As far as waterboarding, I believe Paul was the only one on the stage that considered it torture. If that was the case, which I don’t believe it is, then we are torturing some of our own military members, as waterboarding is part of military training for some.

I seriously doubt that the waterboarding issue will be a factor in the 2012 elections.

TY scope.

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:35AM EDT (link)

I looked for a good conservative quote on line, and this is my favorite. I am not that familiar with Mike Pence, but I like a politician who would say this!

I am certain that Perry would not call water boarding torture. And I absolutely agree that anything done to our own troops as part of their training is A-ok to use on our enemies!

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Mike Pence

changeforrickperry Monday, November 14th at 1:05PM EDT (link)

is a representative from Indiana, and he is pretty awesome. Lots of people were calling for him to run for president earlier in the year, but he said no. Maybe he’ll run for Indiana governor sometime, when Mitch Daniels finishes his term. Here’s part of a speech Pence gave last year:

“As Americans, we inherit what Lincoln in his First Inaugural called “the mystic chords of memory stretching from every patriot grave.” They bind us to the great and humbled, the known and unknowns of Americans past–and if I hear them clearly, what they say is that although we may have strayed, we have not strayed too far to return, for we are their descendants.

We can still astound the world with justice, reason, and strength. I know this is true, but even if it was not we could not in decency stand down, if only for our debt to history. We owe a debt to those who came before, who did great things, and suffered more than we suffer, and gave more than we give, and pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor for us, whom they did not know. For we “drink from wells we did not dig” and are “warmed by fires we did not build,” and so we must be faithful in our time as they were in theirs.

Many great generations are gone, but by the character and memory of their existence they forbid us to despair of the republic. I see them crossing the prairies in the sun and wind. I see their faces looking out from steel mills and coal mines, and immigrant ships crawling into the harbors at dawn. I see them at war, at work and at peace. I see them, long departed, looking into the camera, with hopeful and sad eyes. And I see them embracing their children, who became us.

They are our family and our blood, and we cannot desert them.
In spirit, all of them come down to all of us, in a connection that, out of love, we cannot betray.

They are silent now and forever, but from the eternal silence of every patriot grave there is yet an echo that says, “It is not too late; keep faith with us, keep faith with God, and do not, do not ever despair of the republic.”
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it is heartening to see

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 1:27PM EDT (link)

that we have some great leaders out there.

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Waterboarding

conservativeparrothead Monday, November 14th at 6:33PM EDT (link)

To me, my answer would be this. “Waterboarding” has become exactly what is wrong with our political system. Most people who are for or against it, have no clue what it actually is. You can just substitute “Waterboarding” for “Dick Cheney” or “Bush” or “GTMO”.

Waterboarding or “enhanced interrogation” have become too many buzzwords.

 

The media just trotted out McCain to counter the waterboarding candidates.

Common_Cents (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 6:40PM EDT (link)

Why would McCain flap his mouth now? Because he’s McCain.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Good Lordamercy! Get the hook! Drag McCain off the stage!

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 6:59PM EDT (link)

He, of all people! Isn’t there a nursing home somewhere missing its clown?

pttx, McCain is already in a nursing home,Congress

texasroots Monday, November 14th at 7:47PM EDT (link)

Now we know why he did not win!

LOL roots. But be careful there,

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 8:06PM EDT (link)

I’m a great-grandmother of 71! ;-) However, he IS older than me. LOL Kidding aside, he did not win because he is not a conservative, he is wishy-washy and all too often sides with the libs. Plain and simple. He has sided with the dems/libs on numerous issues, and I’ve never understood how AZ could still elect him time and again. Name recognition is all I can figure.

 
 
 
 
 

Another revealing aspect of Perry's policy positions

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:08AM EDT (link)

is he reminds everyone that the money being flung around the world vis-a-vis our foreign aid, belongs to the taxpayers. This is why he captures the zeitgeist of the Tea Party–he makes clear that “all that money” is the taxpayers money–something you would never hear from liberals who think our money belongs to them and we must ask them politely how much of it we can keep.

Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3

bringing it all back to the economy.

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:38AM EDT (link)

it was a great move on his part. I love how he thinks of things the others should have but didn’t. And then they all have to agree with him.

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and then they are just copy cats.

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:40AM EDT (link)

:)

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I prefer the term "knock-offs".

acat (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 11:55AM EDT (link)

Cute puppy, by the way.

Mew

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oops- reply to you is below.

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 12:11PM EDT (link)

I am new at this.

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
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Your are new, was able to access your profile, but I still can't. WTH?

avagreen Monday, November 14th at 1:47PM EDT (link)

I’ve written email after email.

Nada.
Pizzes me off.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

This is still what I'm getting when I try to access my profile.

avagreen Monday, November 14th at 1:48PM EDT (link)

You attempted to access the “RedState” dashboard, but you do not currently have privileges on this site. If you believe you should be able to access the “RedState” dashboard, please contact your network administrator.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

avagreen, read this....

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 1:56PM EDT (link)

Read this post from Neil, the site tech admin.

Your issue is a known issue.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Thanks. Neil.

avagreen Monday, November 14th at 2:22PM EDT (link)

But, this issue has been going on longer than just a few weeks. And, I’ve written email after email on the issue with no response.

It’s not just about creating a diary……I would like to access my profile…….such as the newest poster has obviously just done.
WTH?
It’s not for lack of trying, but a new poster can?
WTH?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

I have no clue

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:47PM EDT (link)

how to access my profile from Red State. I saved the e-mail they sent me when I signed up. When I click on the link that lets me log in, it goes to a dashboard. On the left side of the dashboard I click on “profile” That goes to the place where I can change my profile information. If you didn’t save that e-mail, I wonder if maybe you can get it back by changing your password.

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@cheetah222

 
 
 

I get that same message too, avagreen

changeforrickperry Monday, November 14th at 2:54PM EDT (link)

and I’m new. Don’t feel too bad.
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“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

TY, acat!

cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 12:10PM EDT (link)

Kittehs and goggies!

This is a picture of my viszla, Ruby.

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@cheetah222

 

Kudos to Perry, but...

inwarresolution (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 12:54PM EDT (link)

Kudos to Perry. His handling of it was about as good as it gets. He showed confidence by being willing to joke with himself, and he turned it into publicity. He made lemonade. Don’t get me wrong, he only had lemons to work with, but he handled it well. And his humor and passion tonight at the debate was very appealing.

Nevertheless, it was too late. There are only 3 candidates remaining. http://bit.ly/vPQ2XJ

ReasonableViews.com

“In War: Resolution
In Defeat: Defiance
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will”
- Winston S. Churchill

I would not consider that a Reasonable View

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 1:22PM EDT (link)

Cain is not a contender.

In the end it will be between Perry & Romney.

I like Newt but his baggage will weigh him down.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 
 

Rick Perry and Other Candidates

carolynr Monday, November 14th at 1:07PM EDT (link)

Read all the posts. I think I should get busy on the major blogs…I’m on all of them. I think I will start with a letter to Fox News…in that Politico, The Hill and the WaPo will print it in a heartbeat.

Every morning, my husband and I go over the Drudge Report. I get to read all the news about the candidates. Some reports state that Conservatives are coming around to Romney. Republican Party…better stop with that crap. Romney is not a Conservative. Every issue that we hold dear on our previous platforms have been ignored or NOT implemented by Romney while in public office. The man is an oxymoron to Conservative principles. End of story. His unbalanced approach concerning China needs to be explained to the sheeples that listen to the MSM rhetoric and assume the talking head is telling the truth…ha…ha. They told us about Obama…and look what we got.

Gingrich – well they are starting on Newt and Newt has nobody to blame but himself. Besides his supposed “taking money from Fannie”, he was pro-cap and trade (remember him sitting with Pelosi with a joint pro C&T message). He has backed an extremely liberal Republican in NYS…DeDe S. He was asked to resign as speaker…AND if that is not enough HE BACKED ROMNEYCARE!!! Hear that…because he will keep it in tact if he can. You all are aware that Obama has punted on the XL pipeline and Canada is thinking, as they should, that perhaps China is a better customer. I know one candidate that will back the pipeline – Perry.

Cain is slowly fizzling…because he is inconsistent with answers, his 999 has been thought out by people and he is not ready for prime time. It has nothing to do with his color…if Hannity people are reading this. That is a red herring and should never have been used by Fox or any other conservative entity… Is Fox still Conservative???

Santorum – no likeability there. Besides…HE IS NOT A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE.

Bachmann – states past factual information to wow the crowd…but has no vision. Besides….she lacks the guts to by CIC along with being a hypocrite for voting for the Gardasil vaccine in her own state.

Paul – We live in the world. Can you imagine him trying to do anything with anybody? If the Congress is split today…it will be splintered when he gets dome.

Huntsman – although very liberal is consistent and continually points to Mitty’s lack of vision wherein people are listening to Huntsman arguments – they will never vote for him…put the guy presents in a way people can understand…unlike Romney.

About Perry – I know this is a long post. Thank you doc for returning to the forum. Rick Perry has shown more character after his poor debate performance than any other candidate on that stage…that is what cemented it for me with Perry. Yes…he was very good and steered the debate…however…everyone has been where Perry is and was. His ACTIONS speak volumes on how he would government. One minutes debate are dumb. Yes..polls have a lag time..Perry is in it. If we are ever going to turn this country around…there is but one candidate – Perry. Many of his ideas will resonate with Indies because they are sick and tired of being taken also. No UN…Zero foreign aid until you prove to be an ally, Energy independence, THE ONLY PLAN OUT THERE that has a JOB AND A TAX PLAN, Believes in the free market system, strong on Conservative values. On and on I could go…but I am preaching to the choir.

[you're welcome!]

rsklaroff (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:03PM EDT (link)

I never “left” Perry, but I felt compelled to introduce a “differential diagnosis” based on the need to think-outside-the-box [DeMint]. Otherwise, I share your sentiments. Pivotal is the need to AVOID being led by the MSM/LSM/ELM [coined elsewhere, "Establishment-Leaning Media"*].

{h/t: gator_hoo (Diary)}

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God bless you and the Red Sox

tailfins1959 Monday, November 14th at 2:03PM EDT (link)

Perry is sitting on an inside straight, to use a poker analogy. I hope he does demonstrate an ability to recover, but I’m not holding my breath. Perry appears to have professionally maxed out as a Governor. We run the risk of another Katrina response under GW Bush with Perry as President. Rick Perry seems too prone to being blindsided. The process will work and whomever wins will have proven worthy of the nomination. This brings a Bible verse to mind:

Proverbs 27:12
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.

Perry didn’t foresee failing in the debates and is now being punished.

You have the right to quit Toxic People. (They’re contagious.) ~Dr. SunWolf

i think what he didn't see coming

center77 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 4:17PM EDT (link)

was the media on the right being so willing to slam him using innuendos and straight up bias. I think all things considering, he has done well with the problems he has faced. The establishment is still worried, and that’s a good sign.

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Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

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tailfins: Are you aware of Perry's response to Rita and to

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 4:35PM EDT (link)

the Katrina victims? Are you? Texas is left with a lot of the victims of Katrina who reside here to this day, sucking up benefits and with a good percentage of them causing mayhem, murder, rape, etc. If you think Perry is weak, that is a completely false perception.

 

READ "Fed Up!"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 3:53AM EDT (link)

…and you will learn BOTH how effective Rick’s response to Katrina was AND how he places it within the larger context of federalism.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 
 

Media set stage for ranking and ratings

celador2 Monday, November 14th at 1:56PM EDT (link)

This election cycles the media ,all out for rating and most all of dedicated to the destruction of a conservative and faith based nominee have taken over as the sole stage for voters to judge a nominee in Republican party. How ironic.
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Naturally, we have seen a long time competent governor fall in polls by a few minutes of underperforming on camera while better speakers have soared.

Perry has the stay power to go the distance and provides a role model that all can look up to. His faith, life style and success story from the farm the skies to the governorship, show he is a man who walks among us still and consults us

His policies reflect a US interest first policy re Un, foreign aid, border security and Fed Res bailouts of Eurozone and foreign banks. Perry has perspective and he can create jobs!

He scored a few soundbites in Sc that got laughs and thumbs up, voters.Do not count this man out despite NBC polls. His policies and abilty to see them though should guide a vote.

celador- It's not so bad

Scope (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:32PM EDT (link)

From what I’m hearing today, with new polls being released, Perry’s oops moment is not affecting him as badly as the steady slide and errosion of support for Cain. I don’t know if Cain’s slide is directly because of the allegations of harassment, or if it is because of his, and his campaign folks way of handling it. I doubt Cain has hit bottom yet. After the Sat. debate, with Perry being seen by many as the winner, and Cain barely holding his own, I suspect that the next set of polls will have Cain back down into single digits.

With some of the newly released polls, Perry is still in double digits in some. I read an article that analyzed the polling firms, and PPP was seen to be the most inaccurate throughout their history. Of course today they have Perry down to 6% I believe. I think that the PPP poll also has the Grinch at the top. Oh brother, the Grinch is about to get his colonoscopy, and I suspect there are going to be many problems found.

By the time everyone is reminded of the Grinch baggage, he will be ready to slide back down, right before the first votes are going to be cast. No one is going to take a second look at Bachmann, Huntsman or Santorum.

I promise, Anita Perry won’t be wearing grandma’s drapes at the inaugural ball.

Or even the curtain rods, Scope, ala Carol Burnett! LOL

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 2:49PM EDT (link)

Check your email after a while, I’m sending something you will like.

 

Scope, the reason PPP is so unreliable is that its' a Democratic poll ...

avagreen Monday, November 14th at 6:47PM EDT (link)

and they hold these polls in every state, which then allows them to say that “national polls” show yada,yada, yada, without honestly stating that the national polls they were quoting were their own polling data.

…Not everyone finds these questions funny. Bill O’Reilly for one, who recently accused PPP of helping Democrats “marginalize” Republican voters as “nuts.” But it’s not only conservatives: polling guru Nate Silver, who has rated PPP highly for their unbiased horse race numbers, told TPM he found their penchant for wacky polls was somewhat grating. “I’m not saying polling always has to be deadly serious, but some of the questions seem to reflect a lack of respect for the people they’re getting on the phone,” he said, adding that it was hard to gauge their reliability given that many respondents probably didn’t even take the questions seriously…
In 2010, PPP raised its profile further by teaming up with Daily Kos, which sponsors many of PPP’s horse race polls and is now its largest client.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/just-a-few-short-years.php

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

Thanks for that ava

Scope (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:14PM EDT (link)

I’ve always known that PPP was a Democrat polling outfit, and their polls have always had very different results than many of the other so-called national pollsters.

I go back again to the PPP poll on the VA 5th district race in 2010. If I am not mistaken, they had D Tom Perriello up by a whole lot shortly before the election. He losy by a whole lot. The race wasn’t even close.

Didn’t know that PPP was so married, or close to the Daily Kos. Good info.

I go back again to Neil’s post today with him saying that 3 different polling outfits, all had different leaders at the top. Polls right now are just not to be trusted. Many of the state polls, by some unknown polling outfits are also not to be trusted. We are being scammed and shammed by the pollsters.

 

Not true. Yes they are a "Dem" polling company and yes,

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 7:33PM EDT (link)

they do polling for Kos. However, their polls, overall, are pretty good. Especially their Fav/Unf polling that they do on a routine basis. You’ve got to take a look at the internals, but you should be doing that with any poll, and while PPP occasionally goes off the rails they’re far better than most out there.

Change

Agreed I've Pointed This Out Before As Well

wonkish1 (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

A lot of analysis gets done on polling outfits to test accuracy after an election. PPP over the last 3-4 election cycles(I believe prior to that they were just a D internal outfit) has them being consistently in the top 5 on accuracy.

I would be the last person to trust a D outfit, but after they were independently verified as accurate I had to start taking them seriously.

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http://rightnetwork.com/ –New conservative TV network
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http://connect.freedomworks.org/ — Connecting Tea Partiers around the country
http://procinct.net/ –GOTV walk/call lists
http://www.citizensunited.org/ –Their documentary arm

 
 
 
 
 

World War 2

devereaux Monday, November 14th at 4:34PM EDT (link)

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors.[117] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified “Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I’d get my breath, then they’d start over again… I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death. The United States hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners of war!

http://tinyurl.com/7xxsot8

Reagan’s Convention Against Torture

“The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called ‘universal jurisdiction.’ Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.”—–Ronald Reagan.

Governor Rick needs to bone up on his history. We hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American POWs.

There are a few "disconnects" in your citations...

rsklaroff (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 4:02AM EDT (link)

…because, first, you don’t address “enhanced interrogation” and, second, you assume RR was condemning water-boarding when he condemned torture.

Examine, for example, the ‘graph that precedes the wiki-quote supra:

“During World War II both Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, and the officers of the Gestapo,[112] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture.[113] During the Japanese occupation of Singapore the Double Tenth Incident occurred. This included waterboarding, by the method of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach.[114][115][116]”

The “Torture” component included the follow-up behavior; it was sub-human and not tethered to interrogation; this contrasts with the “ticking time-bomb” concern, and that this approach helped ID the locale of OBL.

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“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Reagan's Justice Department

devereaux Tuesday, November 15th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

Reagan’s DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff for Waterboarding Prisoners

http://tinyurl.com/d7hyne

And the facts remain the same. After World War 2 in the Tokyo war crimes trial the United States put on trial Japanese soldiers for waterboarding POWs and we hanged them.

 
 
 

Cain blows it again on foreign policy

lastgopinillinois (Diary) Monday, November 14th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

In an interview with Milwaukee Journal sentinels editorial board, Cain was asked if he agreed to 0bamas Libya policy.

Cain, mainly stated that he would have focused more upon who the opposition was and the final outcome prior to getting into the conflict.

Thats a legitimate answer, but I was hoping for something more like:
No sir I do not agree with president 0bamas handling of the libya conflict. Congress should not be ignored if the country is going to devote our military in a war. But 0bama doesnt care about the Constitution. Consulting with the UN, and further eroding our national sovereignty fits right in with 0bamas “new world” vision. The American people should be very worried about that.

Thats the answer I was hoping for !

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To this very principal, the Founding Fathers of our nation decreed that freedom is a God-given in-alienable right of all the people.

 

Politico surprised that NH Union Leader editors

lizzie Monday, November 14th at 10:50PM EDT (link)

did not join the Wednesday oops pile-on.
How did anyone miss Perry’s excellent 71 minute video interview with NH U-L editorial board on Oct 28? Because it was so good?

Perry really has to add these interview video links at his website. I give up trying every way to tell them that.

follow Perry’s schedule this week, adding town halls in Iowa and NH since Saturday nite.

Perry HAS to clarify if he thinks waterboarding is torture or enhanced interrogation – so far, he is being put in the not torture wing, which I do not think he meant on Saturday night.

ok, I admit that shoving the perp’s head in the toilet in an emergency can work, but, as policy, America does not torture, not since The Philippines under TR when iwaterboarding became a national scandal.
USA sets the moral example.

Whoa nelly....

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 15th at 4:03AM EDT (link)

This has been commented on elsewhere. Some reporters went through waterboarding themselves and found out it wasn’t torture. It’s also apparently something that every single member of America’s special forces has to go through too as part of their training. Do you know what waterboarding is?

Waterboarding didn’t become a national scandal during the Philippine War. We were too busy massacring Moros in the Southern Philippines then to care about something as polite as waterboarding for enhanced interrogation. We’ve come along way since then, haven’t we? Some might say too far.