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called Newt void of leadership this morning and why he could never support Newt.

If he could pull of her endorsement in Florida, could be a big boon to him

I agree. Perry understands the issues. He sees the desperation of our country’s morass. He has a plan for fixing it. Perry has proven he is a leader by running the world’s 13th largest economy with all the diversity of any country for 10 years and succeeded. He is not yet a gifted debater but he is improving. It will be America’s loss if he is not given a second shot. He has done good things for Texas and he will do good things for America. If you want to see the degree as to which Perry understands the issues and the solutions, pick up his book…Fed Up. He puts down in words what he has yet been able to verbalize.

I agree. Perry understands the issues. He sees the desperation of our country’s morass. He has a plan for fixing it. Perry has proven he is a leader by running the world’s 13th largest economy with all the diversity of any country for 10 years and succeeded. He is not yet a gifted debater but he is improving. It will be America’s loss if he is not given a second shot. He has done good things for Texas and he will do good things for America. If you want to see the degree as to which Perry understands the issues and the solutions, pick up his book…Fed Up. He puts down in words what he has yet been able to verbalize.

I don;t whether you support the ideas of the TPM…but I do. So…when I gave up vacation time (not that I have the money I did) or just gasoline to show that I cared about my country…were my “signs” perfect. Of course they weren’t….in fact 99% of the signs carried by the TPM were home made.

This perfection thing has to be exposed for what it is…arrogance…arrogance by those who espouse it and arrogance by those that expect it. If you want a perfect sign to express your feelings…go to SEIU! The point is…who do you trust…who had demonstrated core beliefs in policies…Perry.

If you are backing Gingrich…you will find…that if elected…he not very likeable…you might not even realize what just happened to you. So…tomatin…here’s some info for you…that none of us even knew about. Gingrich could do the same thing…he’s knows the system and how to oil it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

I see the biggest problem for Rick Perry is his high negatives among the GOP voters. A large percentage has just been put off by him. To win them back, he’s going to have to spend all his money just in order to get back to zero. I don’t think he has the time when people have already decided that they don’t like him.
I do see that he has a little bit of movement in Iowa, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to pass Romney, Paul or Gingrich and I don’t think 4th place does him any good and he’ll get killed in NH.
I really don’t think that his campaign is showing much in the way of smarts. Having Sheriff Joe endorse him up in NH is a perfect example. That should have happened in IA, I can’t imagine that he went over all that well up in New England.

the liberal talking points taken right from the MSM. I heard that sorry talking point for a day on CNN, and from some of the most biased and liberals lefty talking heads.

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A thousands “5″ for it is the principles, values and core beliefs that separate Perry from all the others.

You make very ration and reasonable arguments for Perry, as well as rational and reasonable and true points about some of the other candidates. I love reading your posts. I know I’m going to read an honest and intelligent assessment with your posts.

Nobody is going to elect a candidate who is so inarticulate that they can’t even remember there talking points no matter what they stand for because it’s important for a president to be able to communicate to the American people, their staff and supporters, congress, foreign leaders, etc…

It’s just a big part of the job.

You can attack people all you want but that does not make up for the fact that Perry has a major weakness.

And you stop this nonsense that just because you don’t support Perry, your’e not a real conservative or you only like “liars”, “a deciever”or don’t support the TPM.

If you care so much about integrity why are you exhibiting so little yourself?

He called social security a ponzi scheme. That wasn’t a slip-up. He really meant it. What that communicates to many voters is that he would end social security or at least send it over to the states and perhaps send each state a block grant to support it.

That’s not going to win him any support anywhere.

Perry also wants to end three federal departments (he can usually remember 2). While this will earn him praise and appreciation with some primary voters, it makes him a dead man walking in the general election. Cutting these three departments means that there will be more unemployed workers looking for jobs.

He wants a no-fly zone over Syria. That is pointless because Syria has no air force to speak of.

I don’t know what his ideas are to make American workers competitive against our foreign competition. Can you or someone else enlighten me? It would probably require spending money. We can’t just tax cut our way to a more competitive workforce. We need to spend some money changing the way we educate tomorrow’s workers.

I just don’t see Perry “think on his feet”. And yes, speaking English and perhaps another language well is a measure of intelligence. There are McDonald’s employees that can do that. If he can pull himself out of the hole he is in and take first place in the Iowa caucuses, I will be convinced. I will be SHOCKED if he pulls it off.

What good are the right beliefs if he folds like a lawn chair under pressure?

Newt is an “intellectual”. But I don’t find him to be particularly intelligent. He blows a lot of wind around and it impresses people who are not paying attention to some of his more controversial votes and ideas.

I’m dumbfouded to learn that either Gov. Huntsman or Gov. Perry would bolt the GOP for a 3rd party. I have my preferences betweent he two, but had no reason to believe either gentleman intended to bolt the GOP if they weren’t nominated this time out.

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and give the Federal government a MASSIVE, controlling, disruptive influence in education?

First of all, the federal school lunch program is a Dept. of Agriculture program.

Do you know that in my school district the schools get BONUSES for signing up kids for the school lunch program? These kids actually have a bounty on their heads. A family with 4 kids can be making $55,482 and be eligible for a reduced price lunch in this country and I’M PAYING FOR THAT!!! On what Constitutional authority does the federal government get to take money from me to give to another middle class family under the guise of education? It’s one thing to do it for children who are actually in poverty and are at risk of going hungry, but unless you are living WAY above your means or are spending your money on drugs or have a gambling problems or your family has some very unusual circumstances, your children should not be going hungry if you are making $55K/year.

Perry is absolutely correct that education should be left to the states. Along with education not being an enumerated power in the Constitution, most state constitutions declare education to be a responsibility of the state.

As it now stands, the federal government collects money from taxpayers then wastes vast sums of it in the federal bureaucracy. They then impose thousands and thousands of federal mandates upon local districts, so that local control is but a distant memory. Dumbest, Idea. Ever.

if the DOE were abolished the states could spend the money for schools how they want to. Control would be kept at the state level and intervention would occur much sooner at a level close to the parents and students.

He stated that the money should not go to DC and be filtered through another layer of bureaucracy, where winners and loser are picked before the state gets any of the money back.

I don’t see that we are limited to Gingrich and Romney as our choices. Romney is looking weak and Gingrich says something every day to prove he is not a true conservative. There are other options, one of which is Perry. It’s not too late for them.

You don’t think parents know if their school is failing? If a school is failing, I assure you that parents will be calling the Legislature.

But it’s just plain mean to take money from the corn lobby by pulling the plug on federally funded school lunches that have created an epidemic of type 2 diabetes among American children. Just make sure those “farmers” get their dirty money. No wonder you like Gingrich and Romney.

as the Iowa evangelicals are right now. Perry didn’t say he would abolish federally funded school lunches! You should listen to his complete statement about that.

Voters like you are how we ended up with Obama. You listen to a few words and attach yourself to them because you’re too shallow to comprehend a “paragraph”.

WAKE UP or we are going to lose America.

If you believe in limited government, individual freedom and free enterprise we are going to have a strong candidate.

Yes, you’ve micro-analized the Perry movement from an inside perspective but we need to look at the candidates who will in all likelihood win the nomination.

“Perry is a site favorite”, that is an understatement.

We have a strong field. All of these candidates are great alternatives to the radical idealogue in office now.

P.s. In the background, I just heard Axelrod say he doesn’t think the Republicans are gaining from this ‘bizarre dialogue’. Clearly, the dems will try to pain our candidate as an extremist, not a flip flopper.

Who he supported before he converted to get elected.

Hate crimes crap is quinessential liberalism.

I like Gov. Perry, he is better than most of the candidates, but your last sentence is just not true.

for their endangerment finding, for the regulations that are killing and in some cases closing businesses in Texas. Perry has been very clear that he would scrap the EPA in it’s present form, and make it a small and accountable agency.

booner is just a Perry hater, and is here for no other reason than to bash Perry. He doesn’t post anything but Perry hatefest posts.

We did it with slavery, and we did it with internment. Are you suggesting we should forget those lessons and do it again will illegals? If so, I want no part of that.

bzip, do you have evidence that Newt has actively supported an individual mandate on an ongoing basis for 18 years? That’s what your post seems to be claiming.

On what are basing your statement?

Just because Perry’s main problem is that he’s seen as another George Bush doesn’t mean the other candidates don’t have their own baggage.

My post was not an endorsement of Newt or Romney. I actually can’t get enthused about any of the mediocre candidates the Party has running.

There’s no need to be so sensitive just because something negative was pointed out about the candidate you support.

“The guy” as you disrespectfully call him actually CUT government big time as speaker.

Oh Perry had no major campaign contributions from Merck when he made all little girls get the HPV vaccine in TX. TX does not give illegals in-state tuition rates.

That’s right if I bring up Perry’s issue I’m listening to the liberal media but if you bring up Newt’s issues it’s OK.

Should change the way he walks talks and thinks to appeal to voters??? This is crazy!!! Why not just take him the way he is Sincere, Humble, Compassionate, Honorable, Exceptionally effective Govenor! We don’t need to make him over to suit the east coast/west coast he is who he is….that is good enough.

As a native Texan myself I would never try to change myself to be acceptible to the rest of the country. Nor should anyone ask that of a perfectly (Great) Man.

Just because he doesn’t ramble on like Newt with his acient ideas, or talk circles about nothing getting to nothing,like Romney…Texan Men are thoughtful and are not fast talkers, doesn’t make them dumb or unintelligent.

Wow people are so plastic, and unrealistic!! And what is really scary people dont think for themselves to make an honest decision about the future of our country.

says something, it is much more important to listen to what they are saying. Perry’s accent, which really is not as strong as many others I’ve heard talking from Texas, is very mild. I haven’t seen him swagger yet. He actually walks very stiffly because of his back surgery. Romney isn’t from Mass. but implanted himself there. He’s lived elsewhere and had his accent, or lack of one, long before his time in Mass. How ever Romney says what he does, he is always wrong, given the day and the crowd he’s in front of. On the other hand, Perry has stuck by his word and his positions consistently.

Kind of odd to me. Listening to things like this, such petty issues but when it comes to serious issues we seem to look the other way (i.e., candidates that support the mandate, global warming, martial issues, etc).

Are people actually putting these petty issues of speech and acts over the serious issues that not only go against the conservative base but issues that also can cause the election (martial issues, affairs, lobbying ties, etc can all have a serious impact on the election).

saying I can’t vote for Perry because of they way he talks.

Ignoring conservative records calls into question your conservative credentials. So does ignoring liberal records.

Judging someone by the way they talk, when you can see how they behave, is also not conservative.

A lot of con…cern trolls around here.

because Mitt is from Michigan. But if that is who he was, then who cares? Perry is from rural West Texas, raised on a ranch. How else should he act?

Your Quote “Perry ought to try to act in ways that might appeal better to Northern voters.” Having living in the North…at one time…should Perry have given Romney the “finger” when Romney laid his hands on Perry? That seems to be a common gesture in the NE United States. Would that make people more happy with Perry? Oh…he walks wrong. Do you know that I blog on the major papers in the United States? Do you know what a blogger from MA called the people in Maine? The Armpit of New England. So…classy…don’t you know.

Romney is not from MA…he is from Michigan. Yes…he comes from money…and that is evident in his demeanor. Oh…let me touch you Mitty…then I will be more important. Bull! I’d like to hear Romney’s solution to his home state’s bankruptcy problem in Detroit, wherein they (Detroit) are going to buy lottery tickets to keep it afloat. No….no….Mitty likes to stay below the radar…that way…nobody can define him.

So…he is not from Martha’s Vineyard…he’s from Michigan and hence…no NE accent.

However, Perry is proud of his state as are most people from Texas….So…do me a favor…go read up on the Big Dig in MA, while Romney was governor…and let’s discuss again.

is absolutely the most ridiculous concept imaginable. We either have an immigration policy or we don’t. You can’t have a policy that is based on individual community attitudes. Especially not when the price of having those individuals in our country doesn’t necessarily just fall on that community. For instance San Francisco doesn’t bear all the costs of social services given to people it provides sanctuary. US and California taxpayers also pay for those. Immigration policy must be uniform (no sanctuary cities) and must be based on the rule of law and not feelings.

I agree that Perry’s debating problems seem to have more to do with lack of thorough preparedness and proper prioritization. ( though I am less inclined to see is as sad than to think Perry has been lazy and foolish ) and I am glad to see more debates so Governor Perry can rehabilitate his image.

This pre-primary season has confirmed that my personal criteria for choosing a President includes a certain threshold level of experience — and, of the remaining candidates, Speaker Gingrich and Governor Perry alone meet the minimum threshold. So, to some extent, I agree with the view that just because a candidate debates well doesn’t, by itself, mean he or she should be President.

But, I also think it’s reasonable to have a threshold for debate performance and general campaigning competence — and Governor Perry needs to show he takes that seriously.

That isn’t to say I hope he wins, ideally I’d just like to see him perform well and outperform Romney in the primaries, then be Newt’s running mate.

Seems like if Perry were to win the Iowa caucuses, and Newt could somehow win New Hampshire, then we might soon be talking about a 2 man race between Gingrich and Perry with Romney quickly becoming an afterthought.

we used to have a chocolate lab 20 years ago, looked just like yours. I have many fond memories of him, Sam was his name… and he loved the water and hunting.

I though overall Perry did the best of everyone there. Very strong on the 10th amendment issues. Huck’s heavy praise of Perry last night will probably help him with Iowans.

And also this…

Sort of under the radar in Iowa…

In call with Iowans, ‘Sheriff Joe’ endorses Perry for border security, opposition to illegal immigration

“Perry, who asked for Iowans’ support in the Jan. 3 first-in-the-nation precinct caucuses, said he is the “only candidate with a record of addressing border security.”

Arpaio went further, calling Perry “the only one running for president who knows where Mexico is.”

Arpaio, who campaigned with Perry in New Hampshire Tuesday, made his comments in a conference call with what the campaign said were 15,000 “likely Iowa caucusgoers,” both Republicans and independents.

The Arpaio endorsement was Perry’s attempt to capitalize on an opening on the issue of illegal immigration. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s recently suggested the need for a legalization process for immigrants who have been in the country at least 25 years. Local panels would decide who was a good citizen and who should be deported, he said.

Perry, who got into trouble with conservatives for supporting tuition breaks for the children of illegal immigrants, pounced on Gingrich’s comment. Perry said he supports tough state laws that give local law enforcement new powers to combat illegal immigration.

He also drew a sharp contrast with President Obama’s policy on illegal immigration, which Perry characterized as “catch and release,” and promised to detain and deport any illegal immigrant apprehended by law enforcement.” Full story here… http://iowacaucus.com/2011/11/29/in-call-with-iowans-sheriff-joe-endorses-perry-for-border-security-opposition-to-illegal-immigration/

with your 3 points.

Perry would probably win a large portion of the Hispanic Latino vote in 2012…

“Rep. Ros-Lehtinen: Pivotal Hispanic Vote Deserting Obama”

Starts around 9:36 mark

“The Republican party is the party of small government, less government intrusion, small businesses, more economic freedom, and that goes to the heart of what the Hispanic community is all about,” the Florida legislator said.

“The growth in Hispanic small businesses in the United States is phenomenal and it’s because we’re seeing the opportunities exist,” she added. “The party needs to tailor its message, we don’t have to change our principles, but just be unafraid to appeal to the Hispanic voter.

“We tend to think that the Hispanic voter is all about immigration and if you’re not for amnesty, if you’re not for a comprehensive immigration reform, you won’t get the Hispanic vote. That is not true at all.

“Hispanics are pro-business, they’re very much pro-family and pro-community and they’re for safe schools and against drugs – all great American values. We should appeal to those voters all the time.

“Hispanics are a natural for the Republican party.”

Read more on Newsmax.com: Rep. Ros-Lehtinen: Pivotal Hispanic Vote Deserting Obama… http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-hispanic-vote-ros/2011/11/30/id/419590

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No one is giving Romney much credit for last night’s debate. Many are also questioning Newt’s non-answers. I think it is finally sinking in that Newt opens his mouth and it just keeps moving while not really saying much of anything. Cuccinelli said that with the Pelosi couch thing, he never answered the question.

The difference with last night is that the Atty’s Gen couldnt be snowed over, and knew BS when they heard it. As I’ve said before, Newt has a lot to say, he is a wordsmith, but, that doesn’t mean that because he uses intellectual language, and dinosaur age historical references, it doesn’t mean that what he says is meaningful or accurate.

As to the Atty’s Gen being the best questioners for Perry, that’s quite interesting in that the Trial Atty’s in particular, and all Atty’s in General hold his tort reform, and loser pays laws against him, and they have vowed a war against him. They would be in strong competition for business with a President Perry, when he drains that swamp.

EE says that if Perry loses he will go back to Texas a loser, and a fool. If Ron Paul places higher than Perry in the votes, does that mean that Ron Paul will be the Texas winner and a hero in the state? Hey, maybe he can challenge Perry for his Governor’s seat then, after all he is a perenial candidate, and his age doesn’t seem to matter to him. LOL

…it’s just I can’t remember a campaign as savage as this one. Were they always this fierce?

I fail to see how allegations of infidelity and sexual harassment will be exceeded by anything someone’s opposition research team will come up with on Gingrich.

We already see the line of attack both from our side and the left. Gingrich is a Washington insider…do we really want to go back to that? Well, to some people the answer is- yes. But not back, forward.

The simple fact is that people want someone who can strongly articulate their vision. A person that can navigate the endless bureaucracy, shenanigans and foolishness that is Congress. Nobody is smarter on those issues than Gingrich. Not only can he articulate his view (and mistakes), he can tell ordinary folks how he is going to accomplish it in a plain-spoken way. He also regularly challenges Obama on the issues as a matter of practice. He doesn’t spend all his time bomb-throwing at his opponents. People obviously are endeared to that approach. The man stay with facts and the issues…especially against Obama.

So what scares the White House to death? Someone who can stay with the issues, bulldog the propaganda with facts and stay on message. That’s because without the sideshow and distractions, Obama loses. Game over.

Gingrich supported taxpayer funding of abortion.

Gingrich supported the individual mandate for healthcare.

Gingrich supported the expansion of gay rights.

Gingrich caved in to Clinton on the budget.

He’s not a conservative.

In any sense

One thing Newt is NOT, and that is a conservative. He has always been a liberal. If you don’t like his position today, don’t worry, he will change it tomorrow.

He is the chattiest head of the Romney split-the-conservatives hydra, all meant to make Romney acceptable in the end when they endorse him. Bachmann for her so-con credentials, Gingrich for the southern vote, Cain for blacks evangelicals. Romney calculated these factions would have the hardest time supporting him. So he deployed his stalking horses. He probably thought he would face Palin. But Perry must have figured this out after the early debates.

Bachmann said we should close the embassy in Iran, and that Gardisil causes mental retardation.

Romney said he couldn’t have illegals working for him because he was running for office for gosh’s sakes. He told Baier that he never said that the individual mandate would be good for the country despite the fact that he is on video saying it, and it was in the hard copy of his book.

Ron Paul said that the Patriot Act kills our liberties, the terrorists are only against us because we are occupying their lands. He said the 9/11 terrorists were just a bunch of thugs with box cutters. Oh, and 9/11 was an inside job.

Newt said that illegal families shouldn’t be ripped apart, if they are living here a long time. He said that Ryan’s entitlement plan is right wing social engineering. He said that neighbor’s should be required to pick up the medical bills of those that don’t purchase medical insurance. He said that people should be required to buy medical insurance, or post a bond for their medical expenses. He still holds to the belief that there are not enought facts available yet to determine if man is causing Global Warming.

Cain didn’t know that China already has nukes, and didn’t seem to know where Libya is, and that there were problems there.

Huntsman has made some of the dumbest jokes that amused no one.

Santorum wants to participate in racial profiling at the airports.

These are all fairly recent statements by the candidates. So tell me again why Perry’s misspeak is such a tragedy, when they all have misspoken?

Fred was never lazy- it was a media label, started by among others, Carl Cameron of Fox, that got tossed out and it stuck. He never overcame it. One more reason for people to think for themselves, and actually watch the debates, go to speeches and campaign events in your are, and do a bit of research.

Perry is getting Fred’d by the media, and it’s been happening since the first debate where he didn’t blow the room away.

a star here in VA. I predict he will be our next Governor in a landslide. He is very well liked and respected by a majority of Virginians. As soon as Cuccinelli announced that he will run for Governor, our current Gov. McDonald came right out and quickly endorsed Bill Bolling. Bolling doesn’t have many obvious accomplishments here as Lt. Gov. whereas Cuccinelli has had many terrific accomplishments, fighting Obamacare being one of them. Cuccinelli has also brought lawsuits against the EPA for their endangerment finding. He has been battling with UVA to get Michael “Hockeystick’ Mann’s records while at UVA released. He has had some success with that.

Don’t ever forget that.

shows Gingrich at 25% and Perry at 6%.. Looks to me like it’s going the other way…

Based on the latest poll Perry needs a 15% – 20% gain to be viable.

In the end Romney will get the nomination; he is the most consistent in terms of support and campaigning. The other candidate’s campaigns are like most people’s golf game – you never know what you going to get from hole to hole.

I’m just using the same sort of rhetoric that you guys are using against Newt.