Let’s Not Persecute Gays, But Christians? Meh.

cheetah2

He always turns out to be right.

irishgirl

putting it out there, showing the world the person he is. Which is a good thing. I like how he’s not afraid to show his beliefs. Go Perry.

center77

that he wants to cut their pay in half. All the conservatives who claim to be tea party your champion has been here all along. And to you social conservatives, Perry has been fighting our battle for awhile. He fought to allow I.D. to be taught along side evolution and to let the children decide. He went to the rally when people said it would doom him in the mind of the media elite.

Is there any more proof you need that Perry is our champion. It’s time to wake up, because I’m sorry but Newt is a Washington insider, money maker of of power hungry, sometimes socialistic, hubris filled, God complexing former speaker who is transforming into what you want him to be. In the end he will tell you what conservatism is. I promise you this, there will be one huge collective cheer by Democrats if we nominate the ultimate scandal generating former speaker. This is bet money on.

wacowboy

of saying what a lot of people think.

Agree with his ad. People are people, regardless of their religion, race, creed and all deserve to be treated the same.

kipling

World Magazine has posted a story that InterVarsity Christian Fellowship has been suspended from campus for their belief that homosexuality is immoral.

Officially the group is suspended because they require their leadership to support the beliefs of the group and are therefore exclusionary.

Not sure if the Muslim groups is required to have Christians in their leadership.

beee

Perry is again showing he is the TRUE conservative in the race! His message aligns with that of the tea party..BUT he was tossed aside way too premature..Please take another look..his passion is real….so what if he had a rocky first couple of debates…Now the media is magnifying any lilttle gaffe..but because of this..WE ARE NOT GETTING HIS MESSAGE OF CONSERVATISM…

Yes, I am a Perry supporter all the way!

Perry 2012

mrmises

According to the Washington Post, Sen. Majority Whip Richard Durbin put a hold on the authorizing legislation. They report that Sen. Durbin is holding out for the feds to buy a prison in his state. This is pork at its worst.

Politics over protection of freedoms. The Democratic Senate fails us again.

aesthete

that gays in the military has jack-all to do with libertarianism, and kids being allowed to pray in schools is pretty much as ironclad a libertarian issue as it gets, as it broaches on freedom of speech, expression and worship issues. Both issues are good for identifying “left libertarians” who are either ignorant on what both issues entail, or not nearly as libertarian as they’d like for you to think.

To any left-libertarians reading this and objecting: yes, that means that you have to agree with those icky Bible-bleevers on something. Get over it.

texasref

If Obama rightly wants to work toward human rights for LGBT folks, he should also rightly want to continue to work toward human rights for folks to follow the religion of their conviction.

No one deserves to be imprisoned or worse because they worship the “wrong” deity or because they happen to be gay.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

co-sponsored a school prayer Constitutional amendment and has been on both sides of DADT.

Just off the top of my head, since Obama has been in office:

1. The Justice Dept. put Christians/abortion opponents on the terrorist watch list.

2. Proposed a tax on Christmas trees.

3. Spouted off the whole clinging to their guns and religion crap.

4. Is trying force Catholic medical providers to perform abortions.

5. Is forcing us all to pay for abortions through Obamacare

6. Is refusing to enforce DOMA

I’m sure there are others.

federalfarmer1

And vice versa. Does anybody here think gays should only get human rights if Christians do? That is not a Christian position. We don’t love sinners only if they love us first.

Perry has been treading into bachmann like territory with the red meat demagoging. Open school prayer is expressly permitted by the supreme court. See you at the pole is pretty open and public, no? And what the heck does gays in the military have to do with our religious heritagei? That ad was just embarrassing pandering. Obama does have a war against religion going, but he or his handlers don’t have enough nuance to make it. Talk about Obama passing intrusive regulations with no religious exceptions, or taking the position before the supreme court that churches should be entirely subject to discrimination laws.

tnguy

…as an overblown phenomenon, not much different than the OWS people, just on an opposite side of the political and philosphical spectrum.

Largely, they’re no more informed and cognizant of our nation’s problems than the filthy hippies and lazy socialists that polluted various downtown and business districts this fall. Not to say that many TPers weren’t good people,and that they were all as I’m describing them,but the reality is,if they were what they were purported to be, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney couldn’t even sniff the republican nomination, much less make it to the final 2.

federalfarmer1

Meant to say Perry or his handlers don’t have enough nuance to explain obamas war on religion and resorted to tired cliched arguments that aren’t on point. Gays in the military is not a religious issue. It’s a military preparedness issue. The military is not a church, and the bible does not say, thou must exclude gays from your military.

It makes it hard for churches to reach out to gays and preach the gospel when politicians use the church and faith as red meat on controversial issues that have nothing to do with the church .

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Interesting how many untruths can be packed into one comment.

federalfarmer1

And they have different priorities, but generally agree on cutting the budget eliminating regulations as the path to prosperity.

Newt has a solid record of budget cutting and ended the worst entitlement program in the country. Why wouldn’t he appeal to the tea party?

acat

I have to conclude you meant to type Liberal.

Mew

cheetah2

They won’t be satisfied until they had not only the rights but the validation, which they can’t get from Christians without trampling over our freedom of religion. They will never be happy as long as people are allowed to believe that what they are doing is morally wrong.

BTW, Perry is standing up for freedom of religion, which includes our right and freedom to bring our religious beliefs with us when we enter the public arena. There is a movement afoot to restrict us to freedom of worship, which means religious expression only within the walls of church buildings.

Obama and members of his administration have shifted from using the phrase “religious freedom” to “freedom of worship.” So Perry is correct in talking of Obama’s war on religion. It is a serious and real threat.

hal2715

Mentioning gays in the military was unneeded and uncalled for. Perry’s better than that. Can’t we get beyond the “war on religion” thing? This was an ill-advised attempt to pander to social conservatives, but as a supporter of LGBT rights, really left me with a bd taste in my mouth.

federalfarmer1

Otherwise we would have civil union laws in a lot more states.

There is no chance that this country will limit religious expression in our lifetime. I bet you could not find a single federal judge who would say that could be constitutional.

The game is to make it very expensive to be religious by eliminating every exception for religious groups and organizations,whether it be gender discrimination, homosexuality discrimination, exceptions for abortion or contraceptives, etc.

hal2715

Kids being allowed to pray in schools is as ironclad a constitutional issue as it gets. Thomas Jefferson and the Supreme Court established the principle of separation of church and state for a reason.

center77

the point is not so much to make gays out to be bad but to highlight that Obama has attacked the Christian faith saying it is not fair to have people see other Christians worship, but then it is ok to make sure everyone knows someone is gay in the military. The whole idea is to highlight the fact that Christmas is being attacked by liberal secularist.

Scope

that Paula clearly meant Libertarian. You, as a libertarian, and a few others don’t consider Paul a libertarian, by your definition of libertarianism. We’ve talked about this before. Paul considers himsself a libertarian, and many many many many view Paul as a libertarian. I am unaware of anyone from the libertarian party to try to diffuse Paul’s claim as a libertarian. If the party won’t difuse Paul, and come out with a statement that he has hijacked, or changed the definition of the libertarian party, he is considered a libertarian. You may have other ideas of what a libertarian is, but, your definitions are no different than what the conservatives want to define as a true conservative. All of the parties definitions have been so diluted to the point that there are no longer any accurate definitions. It has become a free-for-all with trying to describe what each of the ideologies really represent. That absolutely has been a part of strategic planning to make no party definition to stick or hold. Why ever would the progressive liberals ever allow a clear party line or divide.

serpounce

But I don’t care for this culture warrior stuff at all. Claiming that Obama is waging a “war on religion” is just so unhelpful

I was disappointed that Perry fell in the polls, but now that he’s pulling out this nonsense to get back up I could care less about him..

After we balance the budget and get government under control we can start arguing about gays and god again, but until then it’s a sign of non-seriousness in my book.

hal2715

I am a proud conservative. I am not a christian. I am tired of hearing about a war on religion. The ad was a cheap scare tactic. Perry’s better than that.

Common_Cents

That is what is on peoples minds.

Why doesn’t he do an ad on North Dakota oil production? Under 3% unemployment, not enough housing for everyone(building oppty). This is right in Perry’s energy plan wheel house.

Please, if not Perry, somebody pick up on this.

America needs success stories.

bzip

Personally I loved the ad and it spoke volumes as to what is happening to America. I am sick of it. My mother is also sick of it, the way religion is being sweep under the rug by the liberals.

It was a good ad, for a specific reason and audience and I am happy Perry did it.

center77

and the whole think is cataloged here

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/08/rick-perry-president-obama-and-war-on-christianity/

Perry?s correct in saying Obama is attacking faith, and yes no one is saying gays get rights only if Christians get rights – that is not the message, it?s that how can Obama say one gets the help and protecting but the other has to stay out of the public sphere but in case you do not want to read it.

The evidence of his White House attacking the Christian faith, however, is plentiful.

It was President Obama who declared in an e-mail to CBN News that ?whatever we once were, we?re no longer just a Christian nation.?

This is the same administration that invited Lady Gaga into the White House for an anti-bullying conference but banned Franklin Graham from the Pentagon?s National Day of Prayer observances.

It was during the Obama administration that Christian school children were ordered to stop praying outside the Supreme Court building because they were violating the law. Instead, those American boys and girls were forced to pray for the elected officials while standing in a gutter.

It was President Obama who dropped the words ?by their Creator? when reciting a key excerpt from the Declaration of Independence to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus ? not once, but twice.

It was the Obama administration that opposed the commemoration of a prayer by Franklin Roosevelt at the site of the World War II Memorial on the Washington Mall, arguing that it would ?dilute? the memorial?s central message.

And it was the Obama White House that asked Georgetown University to cover up all religious signs and symbols prior to a presidential address.

The Obama administration has used our military as a social engineering petri dish ? pulling gay and lesbian soldiers out of the closet while pushing Christians back inside.

In recent days, we?ve learned that the Navy adopted and later rescinded a policy that would have banned parents from giving their wounded soldier-children Bibles at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

A Christian cross was removed from outside an Army chapel because it violated regulations. The Air Force Academy was forced to apologize for promoting Operation Christmas Child because it had ties to a Christian organization.

Critics, including many lawmakers, believe the Obama administration is trying scrub Christianity from the military.

I?m glad that Gov. Perry raised the issue of religion. It?s a topic worthy of exploring merely for the fact that a leader?s conduct and decision-making will always be influenced by what he or she believes at the core. A nation deserves to know what they can expect.

?Bringing America back starts with faith,? Gov. Perry declared during a speech Wednesday to the Republican Jewish Coalition. ?Faith in the Almighty, who created. Faith in our friends and allies, in a time of trouble, faith in each other to not give up hope.?

The governor is absolutely correct.

This is one of the very first reasons I look towards Perry because I am sick of the attack on my faith. Look Christians are not the ones asking for only our ways to be taught in schools, we just feel we should have a voice to give our version along with evolution. We think there is no reason we cannot pray in school or at the court house. The MTV way is forced on us and the children every day, but they want to take faith out of everything because it offends a few people, well I am offended by most of rap music, are you banning that from schools and football games.

texabama

My take on the gays in the military and the war against religion was more along the lines that it is incongruent to have gays serve openly in the military, but then balk at displaying a cross at the military chapel.

center77

we defend the faith when its attacked, not when we can feel its political expedient.

tnguy

I’ve never been anything but upfront about my beliefs. My point stands and there’s nothing party hacks can say to dispute it.

Go sit on a parkbench with Newt, his public mandate, and Nancy Pelosi.

Enjoy Newt’s upcoming book on global warming.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gingrich-climate-book-20111208,0,7420605.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fpolitics+%28L.A.+Times+-+Politics%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

cheetah2

“In August, 2008, in a 7-0 decision, the California Supreme Court asserted that a Christian physician does not have a constitutional right to refuse to perform an elective medical procedure on religious grounds.”

Two Christian physicians were found guilty of discriminating against a lesbian woman because of her sexual orientation when they refused to artificially inseminate her. (Their policy is to refuse this elective procedure to any unmarried woman because of their religious beliefs.)

They offered to refer her to another clinic for the procedure.

Just bringing a law suit like this is punishing a person for their religious beliefs, because even if they won the case, just fighting the lawsuit is extremely burdensome and expensive.

http://www.faith-freedom.com/pledgeofhope/workplace

Many businesses are vulnerable to this kind of attack. If gay marriage is legal, then any wedding related business will be forced to cater to gay couples even if the owners have a religious objection to it.

In 2008, E-Harmony the dating service lost a lengthy and expensive court battle because of their religious objection to serving gay clients. Not only were they forced to offer services, they were punished by having to provide a 2 million dollar settlement fund for the benefit of gays who were “harmed” by their former policy.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-01-27/bay-area/17836024_1_eharmony-lesbian-sexual-orientation

So there is already no freedom of religious expression for business owners when it comes to restricting their clientele based on their religious beliefs.

center77

and it is not the issue we can wait, its like the debt, ever inch that we give up is going to take years to get back. Its part of the reason this country is in decline. Character matters as well.

texabama

I think we are at the tipping point. The majority is getting mighty tired of having to kowtow to any and every minority viewpoint at the expense of theirs.

texasref

to both of your comments.

It’s looking more and more like Gingrich is going to be our president, like him or not.

bri283

… that is a good dose of misinformation. And “Libertarian”???

Thanks for helping make the right look ignorant. It helps us win in 2012. Oh wait…..

Bri

federalfarmer1

Or broadcasting prayers at football games. I’ll defend both, but faith is only the former

Scope

the latest entitlement legislation that unfortunately came out of a Republican administration, Medicare Part D. Newt voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education in the Carter years, but apologized for that vote with Blitzer. He then recently went on an Obama “Race to the Top” tour with Al Sharpton. The Sharpton tour was very recent, even if you want to excuse his past mistakes. How many mistakes does someone have to have, and to require apology after apology, when you say this guys got some real problems.

kipling

Thomas Jefferson established nothing. The phrase was contained in a letter. It has no inherent legal standing but expresses an opinion.

The Supreme Court used to interpret the phrase as placing a restriction on government. In the 1940s the Supreme Court switch and began to place the restrictions upon religion.

If we have a wall of separation then how come the government is the only one that can reach over that wall.

znjs

This move reeks of desperation. Clearly Perry has realized that if he doesn’t do well in Iowa he’s done. Problem is this going after gays in the military is a good way to make sure that even if he somehow wins the nomination he’s got no shot in the general election.

Common_Cents

It’s a good way to win money, hehe. That is a good example of how our education system has failed. (actually it has succeeded for liberals).

aesthete

a boorish and naive one, but a libertarian nonetheless. Boorish and silly people find a presence in all political parties and camps. Perhaps this is fitting: after all, most of what goes on in politics is boorish and silly, heh.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

But false anti-TEA party talking points are lies no matter who tells them.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

“Libertarian” -like it or not, that’s his image and he’s not exactly going around disavowing the label. If he did, his base would dry up and he’d just be some old guy telling everyone to stay off his lawn.

Plus, that whole 1988 Libertarian Party presidential run.

Leon H. Wolf

Blam.

sunshinek67

no–text

aesthete

of Santa Fe Independent to initiate non-sectarian prayers for their football teams (Santa Fe Independent v Doe)? What grand inquisition required that a rabbi pray at a school prior to a graduation ceremony (Lee v Weismann)? What dark cabal of church ministers compelled school officials to, of their own accord, read the Bible out loud when they thought it appropriate (Abington School v Schnepp)?

I think that separation of church and state is a wonderful idea. I don’t see how a child wanting to pray, or even a member of faculty wanting to do the same, has any bearing on the issue. I *do* see how preventing same would be a gross violation of that person’s Constitutional rights to speech, expression, and worship — the issue in these cases was not competence of the teacher (or student), or relevance to general concepts of education. Rather, it was an attempt at censorship of private parties in order to further some ostensible state interest — something that libertarians have always stood against.

runner12

Listen, to say there is not a war being raged by Leftists against religion is pure blindness. This is especially true if you are Christian or Jewish. Look at all of the anti-semetic rhetoric at the OWS rallies. Also, why is is it every Christmas one group sues because a cross is displayed or a Christmas tree is put up. My goodness, people are offended if you say Merry Christmas!

This is not tolerance, it is bigotry and forced group think. I am not offended if someone displays a symbol of their faith at all because I believe in their freedom to do so. The Left does not.

kipling

I will have to try that the next time I get a chance.

In the classes I teach, I actually have them read the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Some of them have made it through college without having read the actual documents.

They are often surprised by what is in there and what is not in there.

nativetexan41

it’s already happening, everyone needs to wake up to this fact. We need Gov.Perry to stand up for our right to worship and to express our Christian views.
The evangelical Christians in Iowa should support him our future depends on it.
I like what he said about some kind of values will be guiding this country, what do we want that to be.(not his exact words but close). I want a man with Christain values guiding this country.
I am whole hearted for Perry.

pcscipio

Erickson’s dead wrong! The Obama Administration isn’t blocking funding for USCIRF. A bill to reauthorize the USCIRF for an additional 2 years passed the House 3 months ago, but Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin (D-Ill) put a ?hold? on the bill because he wants the federal government to buy an unused maximum-security prison in Illinois and turn it into a federal facility.

Get your Democratic scum right!

texabama

if they aren’t rendered until he’s criticized. If you are sincere in the belief that you are wrong, then you apologize right away. He apologized to Blitzer a couple of weeks ago when he voted for the Dept of Ed almost 30 years ago. He’s suddenly sorry now that he’s running for President.

nativetexan41

Perry is not ashamed of his faith. I think this ad speaks to the Christian and non
Christian alike. We all should see things are not right in this country. I am a 70 year old woman and it grieves me to see the decay of morals in this great country.
I pray that the Iowans will come out in support of him.
I am voting for him!!

Rhampton

Are you willing to extend a Muslim doctor, hypothetically, to legally refuse treatment to a Jew for religious reasons? If so, then I can respect your principled argument. However, I’m too trouble by the long history of discrimination to accept religious exemptions in practice.

lizzie

last time I checked.
I agree with bzip “It was a good ad, for a specific reason and audience”, plus it got Perry back into the 24/7 news cycle, which is obsessing over Gingrich v Romney.

I hope Iowa responds.

I also agree with those, like center77, who understand Perry was using a contrast, not attacking end of DADT, althoughhe does that in different venues, hence the conflation by the media.

This ad Really brought out the adolescent snark from what I consider the rational liberals at The Atlantic and The New Republic. (as opposed to the lunatics at HuffPo and to the left). Both magazines survive on their legacy of journalistic integrity that is now making Vanity Fair look serious.
I post comments at both under other names. Lizzie is an avatar. really need to change it here if I can figure out how.

Erick’s point is excellent – there IS a real disconnect when America’s foreign policy totally ignores the persecution of Christians in Islamic nations, but suddenly makes foreign aid conditional on the rights of LGBT. Both are human rights issues. Not sure whether either should be the basis for any American foreign aid. I am kind of on the side of major disaster relief and basic development assistance where it is not stolen.

Obama is losing so much support that he only has the LGBT and lawfare-enviros base. and abortion.

As always, Rick Perry leads, even when it seems controversial at first.

pcscipio

If we could only get religion waaaay out of politics.

My parents taught me it was inappropriate to discuss politics and religion, particularly together. My parents were smart, how about yours?

bzip

Just amazing. The man of faith ad has hit 747,000 hits and it was recently released. It must have really peeved the lib’s off big time .

What is also amazing, I hadn’t realized it but the President Zero ad that Perry did a long time ago now has over 2,000,000 hits

Strong

President Zero:
Rick Perry – Proven Leadership

tnguy

If Perry and his campaign were working half as hard as you have on his behalf, the nomination would already be his.

tnguy

A Christian is not supposed to talk about the defining principles of his/her life? They’re supposed to pretend that they’re not who they are? Christianity is not just an aspect of a Christian’s life, it is supposed to be their life.

bzip

Perhaps they might hire me someday.

Now its time to say hello to the pillow for me.

bonnman

Mainly because of California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act passed in 1959 which outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation. My point is that this is nothing new and the physicians, operating their businesses in California, should be well aware of this law and know their practice is discriminatory.

aesthete

by the strength of protections for gun and property rights, and the limited nature of the federal government.

Conservatives tend to be shocked by the concern for the rights of the accused.

And everyone forgets the 3rd Amendment

At least, that has been my finding.

aesthete

I’d bet any sum of money that regardless of what Obama signs into law or mandates as an EO during his administration regarding gay rights *or* religious rights, we’re going to keep funneling money and support into Iraq and Afghanistan — both countries that have horrible track records on either issue, even in their current “democratic” iterations.

Obama’s just reshufling chairs, that’s all.

pcscipio

Obama’s not doing this!!!!!!!

pcscipio

Get more hits. Don’t be i-net illiterate.

snowshooze

Man, ya got work.

cheetah2

or get out of business…something wrong there.

lineholder

I agree. I wholeheartedly agree.

I read a comment earlier today posted by someone who stated that one of the things Reagan managed to succeed in doing was to display an understanding of the American spirit. We need a bit of that right now…the American spirit, the American way, how it is and always has been different from the mindset and approach seen in any other country on the face of this earth, how it has succeeded in propelling growth and development of this nation over the years, why it matters, why it needs to be preserved….all of it.

We the people need some of that kind of inspiration. “Shining city on the hill” as Erick calls it.

kipling

The video appears to be standard fare for social conservatives. It is not a desperation play but simply the continuation of how Perry presented himself at the beginning of the campaign.

If gays in the military is so popular an issue, then why did the Democrats push it through in the midst of a lame duck session. Why did they ignore or misrepresent readiness studies? Why did they not make it a campaign issue?

serpounce

If “faith” was really under attack sure, but this prayer in school stuff has been an ongoing gray-area issue for decades, it’s not some scary new move against Christianity.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

Care to expound on your drive-by comment?

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

Can you share the quote in the ad where he is “going after” them?

znjs

“something’s wrong when gays can serve openly in the military”.

Not that hard. And no, claiming that that quote is out of context isn’t right. Imagine any other group there

“something’s wrong when blacks can serve openly in the military”.

Would saying that not be considered going after African Americans? He’s saying it’s wrong for gays to be allowed to serve unless he also gets what he wants, prayer in school for instance. But that’s not true. Gays shouldn’t have to wait behind for Rick Perry to get his way before they’re allowed to serve openly. You can argue that both should be allowed (and I would), but you can’t argue that Perry must get what he wants before gays should be allowed to openly serve, not without saying gay right have to come after Christian rights. Both should be equal, not giving preference to one or the other as Perry seems to believe should be the case. By claiming that Perry is going after gays in the military – their rights mean less then his.

ffc99

znjs. Perry should be ashamed of this ad. I just saw it for the first time a few minutes ago and it caused my jaw to hit the floor. This post (and the subsequent comments) did not prepare me for how offensive it actually was.

bonnman

The State has a right to regulate commerce that takes place within its borders and has decided that discriminatory business practices are not welcomed. How is this different than a restaurant refusing to serve food to a lesbian couple? or an interracial couple?

gekster

and take it out of context, to make an asinighn point.

The full text of his add.

I’m not ashamed to admit I’m a Christian, but you don’t need to be in the pew every Sunday to know that there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly on the military, but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmass or pray in school.As President, I’ll end Obamas’ war on religeon, and I’ll fight against liberal atacks on our religeous heritage.
Faith made America strong,

If you add the rest, which you conveniently left out so you can distort the true meaning of his words,
“there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly on the military, but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmass or pray in school.”.

When put into context, he is saying if gays can openly serve, then why can’t kids in school celebrate religeous holidays or pray in school.

He is not saying, or implying, nothing against gays.
You are seeing things not there, just like most liberal jerks.
You are the definition of a donkeys rear..
And a liberal one at that.

pttx333

what Perry was saying. Don’t know why folks pick out a few words and twist them around!

Mom

znjs

I explained the context – he’s putting one groups rights before another.

But let’s try this, let’s switch it around. Let’s put the show on the other foot. If during the debate about DADT Obama said

“There’s something wrong when people can pray publicly but gays can’t openly serve in the military”

would that also be ok? Seriously,can you honestly listen to that statement, imagine Obama saying it, and say you would be ok with it? Would that also be saying that if people can pray publicly then why can’t gays talk honestly about their sexual orientation while serve in the military? Or would that be an attack on religion then?

center77

you know better than to take one line from a whole paragraph and say that that person is attacking gays, I really care little about what you are sick off, because I’m sick of being told that I can’t pray at schools, or outside a court house. You secular folks want god out of everything but say its not ok to ask someone to keep their sexuality to themselves. What is Christmas without the Christ. If you guys don’t want Christians having rights, then so be it, but don’t get all hurt over it when we fight back. Because it only shame you when you clearly take a ad out of context.

center77

and so what if we have been losing ground for years, its time we stand up and say enough.

pttx333

to “talk honestly about their sexual orientation” while in the military or anywhere else? I’ve never seen or heard heteros go around talking about their persuasion. What is the big deal, and why make a big deal out of it at all? I don’t get it and never will. Just like I believe with the gender or racial stuff – true non-discrimination is where it isn’t even mentioned at all. I would never vote for or against a black or white or otherwise simply based on skin; never vote for a man or woman simply because of gender; and the same goes for anything else that is currently PC – which I don’t practice. Sheez …

Common_Cents

gekster

He said it exactly the way he ment it.
But you have to twist it around so you can slam Perry.
And it is so true, we must allow and promote a lifestyle that is repugnant to most, but the Smallest mention of God is forbidden.
You can take your liberal thinking to the DK where you would be appreciated
for the brainles maroon you are.

pttx333

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lineholder

If you are, then I’d say that perhaps you’re a bit on the defensive about Perry’s ad, maybe more than need be. At the same time, as a Christian, you better believe that I have my moments when I can be defensive about things as well, such as having the freedom to pray to a God that I believe in without having everyone and their brother tell me that I have to consider someone else’s rights first.

So there’s two sides of this, obviously, and if you’re gay, we’re coming at it from totally different perspectives that we’ll have to find a way to respect whether we want to or not.

pttx333

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znjs

I’m a Christian too, so you can get off your high horse. You don’t need the full context to understand he didn’t just list a random right off the top of his head – he purposely choose to talk about gays serving in the military. There’s a reason behind what he choose to use. He didn’t say

“when women have the right to vote” or
“when blacks are allowed to own property” or
“when people of different races are allowed to marry”

or anything of the like. He didn’t pick a random right to compare prayer in schools to. He picked openly serving the country while have the audacity to be gay. That was on purpose. Pretending that it wasn’t is just silly. I’ll go back to my earlier reply – if Obama had said

“There?s something wrong when people can pray publicly but gays can?t openly serve in the military”

then would you still ignore what is obviously being conveyed? Or once your group is the one in the first part of the sentence does it become a problem?

trevorb

I must admit, out of the ads I’ve seen, I couldn’t help but enjoy “President Zero”. Has a nice ring to it.

znjs

I don’t have to be a member of a group to be able to empathize with them.

pttx333

is telling you to not be gay, if indeed you are. That is your business. But I am saying that I don’t go around beating others over the head telling them to be Christians or not, to pray or not, to be gay or straight, or any other such thing. Neither has Perry said that. No one on RS has said such, and I believe that most here would back me up on this matter. Let sleeping dogs lie where they may – just don’t keep banging drums and beating up others. Okay?

znjs

Just like it would be wrong to tell Christians in the military they can’t talk about their faith because it might make some uncomfortable, and it is wrong that people in the military can’t talk to people in the country they’re fighting in about God, it’s not right to tell people they can’t talk about themselves to their fellow solder. Freedom of speech is a very big issue to me, and I don’t apologize for feeling that way.

lineholder

Help us understand where you’re coming from in the comments you’ve made. Then we might be able to actually communicate.

trevorb

can see whatever you want to in it. If you like Perry, you’ll think he’s talking about religion. If they don’t, they think he’s attacking homosexuals. I honestly think this is also a jab at Gingrich and his personal life.

znjs

“There?s something wrong when people can pray publicly but ”

That statement wouldn’t bother you coming out of Obama’s mouth?

znjs

It’s a freedom of speech issue. The second one groups rights are discriminated against, the sooner you know they’ll come after your group.

lineholder

Understood. Do you have any members of your family or close friends in the military?

center77

because recently the Obama administration had allowed gays to openly serve in the military, but to profess faith seems to be a sin to the left, and Obama. You hate Perry, I get it, but Im betting when Newt talks about this same issue, you have no problem, I do not know for sure.

center77

and I love her a lot, she also understands the point Perry is making. Perry once said he was no expert on nature vrs nuture debate, but that he believed that gays have a right to be who they are, but they have to respect that we are who we are. Thats the Perry Ive watched for 5 years. Perry is the one who said what new york does is their right, and that what Texas does is their. ZNJS has no clue what Perry believes, or he/she would not be taking one sentence and saying someone is telling gays they cannot serve

znjs

No family right now.

But yes, this is a big freedom of speech issue. Imagine Obama coming down and saying people in the military can’t talk about their faith with their team member. No prayers, no mention – all has to be hidden. No Bibles along, and if you bring a Bible you have to hide it so that no one can see that you have it. It might make some people uncomfortable. I have a very big problem with this scenario. So I have a very big problem with the idea that gays have to hide their loved ones back home because otherwise it might make someone uncomfortable. That’s the person who is uncomfortable’s problem. We don’t demand that people who serve our country be perfectly bland to avoid making someone uncomfortable.

center77

which is important in the sense character says a lot about who a person is. If they do not act like they say they are going to in their personal life, why should anybody think they will while governing. Newt would be one gift to the Democrats. The thing that cracks me up, I do not even think Newt thinks he has the best chance, the man is just hubris enough to do it anyways. If he is as smart as everyone says he is, then he would know that the independents are going to have a trust facter with him, and they like Obama a lot. They will leave Obama if the other person has a plan to go after the insider crap in Washington, has a record of getting good things done, and has shown character to be who they says they are. Newt falls short here.

znjs

Obama has professed his faith numerous times. He’s not trying to stop people from doing so, the whole prayer in school thing was decided a long time before he even had a plan to run for the presidency.

I am curious how you got that I was a Newt fan? And I promise you, I will have a problem with it no matter who says it.

trevorb

for myself, I didn’t think it was one of his better ads, but I’m not willing to accuse him of hating homosexuals. Admittedly, I’m not what you’d call religious, but when you can’t say “Merry Christmas” to someone, we’ve got a few problems.

pttx333

of them discuss their orientation – we just speak about all sorts of things. The vast majority of folks do not go around discussing their sex lives, period, and, actually, no one really gives a big rip either way.

I have to concur regarding Perry … I’ve voted for him and watched him lo these many, many years and know that he would never slam someone for being gay or anything else. That just isn’t in him, just as it isn’t in me or anyone else that I know. I have no need to know or even care what other folks do with their lives – it is their life to live, just as my life is mine.

Yep, I think znjs just doesn’t like Perry. That’s fine … he has other candidates to choose from.

center77

and it is a matter of not being two sided on the issue. Obama has taken faith out of certain things , here is a list I found on Fox News of all places

President Obama declared early in his campaign for the White House that he is a Christian. We were led to believe that he was a supporter of the Purpose Driven teachings of California pastor Rick Warren. But it didn?t take long to discover that the only Sunday morning activity President Obama did on purpose was drive golf balls.