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The Horserace for December 8, 2011

We are less than a month from the Iowa Caucuses. As we wind the clock down I think it is important to note that the 2012 campaign season might present the most damning indictment yet of the ineptness of political reporting about the Republican campaign season.

Since November of 2010, political reporters in this nation have been telling us Mitt Romney would be the nominee. And while I completely agree and have said I expect it, the political reporters in this nation have routinely, and I am beginning to think intentionally, failed to report on what I think is and remains the biggest story this campaign season.

The man who should be the front runner and who should be walking away with the nomination has had since March of 2008 to lock down his lead as the Republican nominee and less than one month from the start of Campaign 2012, 80% of Republican voters want nothing to do with him and a third would rather go to the fight with a retread from the Clinton era than Mitt Romney.

For months and months the media establishment in Washington and New York has avoided this story even though since August of 2012 Mitt Romney has never been the front runner for more than a few days between the implosions and rises of the various alternatives to him.

Only now the media is beginning to tell the story and even now the media focus is more on what Mitt Romney needs to do than what Mitt Romney did wrong. Even more humorously, when the media does go for “what went wrong,” they cannot help themselves but fixate on Mormonism when poll after poll shows Mitt Romney’s faith will be more a weight on him with independent voters than Republican primary voters.

There is another story too as we get to the Horserace this week. It is on the failure of the professional political class in Washington, D.C. The professional political class has failed Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Jon Huntsman, and the list goes on. Sure, when God serves up a lemon of a candidate, there is only so much a consultant can do. But very few have successfully made lemonade with any of the candidates. Even with Gingrich, his rise has more to do with his debate performances than his consultants.

These two stories — the failure of the political press to get the stories right and the failure of the political consultant class to get the candidates right — are not written about enough. And both impact the horserace for 2012. And the muddied stories of both these problems may interweave directly to a brokered convention. I think it is time to move beyond wishful thinking and take seriously the idea of having a brokered convention with someone other than the current crop of candidates becoming the nominee. And that, for the first time, adds a new candidate to this week’s horserace, Mr. None of the Above.

 

Michele Bachmann

Michele Bachmann’s campaign has a shot at a bounce in Iowa. But I think it will be more a dead cat bounce. Her campaign is over. She does not have the funds to carry on nor does she have the message to carry on. Her campaign is overshadowed. While the people of Iowa love her and could give her a life line, it would amount more to not pulling the plug than going on and letting the campaign die gracefully.

Newt Gingrich

For all intents and purposes Newt Gingrich is the nominee. His lead in the early states and late states is so dominant that he could run the boards. And yet no one is prepared to call him the nominee and not just because the voting hasn’t started. The voters backing Newt and every other candidate out there are still rather lukewarm to them all. Support is shallow.

Newt now has to withstand four weeks of nonstop attacks from the other candidates and the press. We’ll hear about the women, we’ll hear about the back room deals, and we’ll hear about his betrayal of conservatives.

Anyone who reads Tom Coburn’s book Breach of Trust will probably decide Newt can’t be there guy. What keeps this interesting is that if Newt isn’t their guy, a lot of others not named Romney could be.

Jon Huntsman

The most remarkable thing about me saying nice things about Jon Huntsman has been the speed with which the political press has seized on those words. More so than any other candidate in America for any office, if I write that I’m reconsidering Jon Huntsman, the media flies into an orgasmic fit of self-congratulations and races to pronounce Jon Huntsman recovered and rising.

I see it as another sign of just how manufactured Jon Huntsman’s campaign is by the media. In truth, right now Jon Huntsman is not even a margin of error within the margin of errors of most polls.

This says little about the man himself other than an entire class could be given on how badly served Huntsman has been by his advisors who he allows to continue advising him. Only now is he beginning to make the shift to let conservatives know he really is one of them.

I have concluded I was too hasty in my judgment of Jon Huntsman. I have concluded that not only is his record better than MItt Romney’s, I actually would probably vote for him before I would vote for Mitt Romney. But I think Jon Huntsman, like Herman Cain, has shown poor judgment by keeping a staff that started off his campaign so badly and kept him a margin of error outside the margin of error.

But I’m pretty sure the media will ignore all that and instead focus on the fact that I, a guy who said I’d never vote for Huntsman, am now saying I’d probably vote for him over Romney.

Ron Paul

Ron Paul will not be the nominee. But he just might take out Newt Gingrich. He might also take out Mitt Romney. And I’m really thinking the longer Ron Paul stays in, the more useful his constancy is to getting to a brokered convention.

Rick Perry

The longest serving Governor of Texas is about out of time. His campaign is in disarray. There is a shadow campaign within the campaign, seemingly no strong pro-active communications plan at the communications level (I’m not talking ads, I’m talking day to day messaging and narrative construction), and infighting. It seems that while the Governor is active and fully engaged, the campaign staff is divided. And we all know just how well divided houses do.

There is a path to victory for Rick Perry, but it involves events all outside his control right now. I like the guy. I have many friends working on his staff. I hope they are all deeply embarrassed or very, very sad at how this thing fell apart.

The one saving grace for Rick Perry and the one thing that might turn it around for him is that few people now think he can win, so it frees him up to actually campaign to win. Perry can still do this. It just depends on Romney, Gingrich, and Paul destroying each other while Perry rebuilds and reboots behind the scenes with minimal gaffes and a strong message on jobs.

One thing he has working for him? A big ground staff in Iowa. Making the top three there buys him a life line into South Carolina.

Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney has had since 2008 to sew this up. He has not. It is a failure of his political opportunism and of his political staff. Most interesting to me, in talking to a lot of conservatives who opposed Romney in 2008, many of them tell the same story this go round. Instead of trying to get them on board, the Romney campaign tried to marginalize them. Instead of trying to repair bridges, the Romney campaign has sought to burn them down. There is a lot of bad blood in the conservative movement now for Romney and his staff. What should have been an easy win for him will now, at best, be a bloodbath on the way to the nomination with a lot of time and money spent.

If you want a good idea of just how badly Mitt Romney has been served by his political consultants, consider this transcript showing Mitt Romney is actually clueless about his waiver proposal and it actually won’t even work.

PHILIP KLEIN: You’ve said that on day one of your presidency, you would grant Obamacare waivers to all 50 states, as you pursue full repeal. But under the language of the health care law, waivers are subject to a number of restrictions, and wouldn’t apply until the year 2017. So what immediate and specific relief would your executive order provide for individuals and businesses, assuming it’s issued on January 20, 2013?

ROMNEY: Well, I will certainly pursue repeal, and that’s something which will occur if we have a Republican House and a Republican Senate, my guess is it could be done pretty close to day one. If that’s not the case, and I have to go through the waiver process, we will do our best.

Our lawyers think that providing a state a waiver that we will be able to conform with the law and that the state would be able to opt out of the system, but if a lawsuit ensues, and it takes months to sort it out, well during that time hopefully we will have the bill repealed. I think people recognize that if I’m elected President of the United States, that we are not going to have Obamacare with its full panoply of benefits and costs. The American people don’t want it. I don’t want it. And we’ll repeal it. And if the waiver process is able to successfully stop it in its tracks, as we think it will, great. It doesn’t stop everything of course. Some elements go on. The tax being collected and so forth, that you can’t get out of that by waiver – it requires the ultimate repeal.

KLEIN: But what do your lawyers think as to why these waivers could take place, because I have the law here, and it says that it applies on January 1, 2017 – under the “waiver for state innovation.”

ROMNEY: When you say “it” — “it applies”?

KLEIN: The “waiver for state innovation” — under section 1332.

ROMNEY: The waiver for state innovation?

KLEIN: Yes, that’s the waiver that I believe that you’re talking about when you talk about state waivers. That’s what your campaign has said.

ROMNEY: Oh, they say it’s that in particular?

KLEIN: Yeah.

ROMNEY: Then I’d have to have Ben Ginsberg, our lawyer, sit down. If you really want to go into that and tell you what — if that’s important to you, we’ll have Ben Ginsberg give you a call and talk about what provision of the law we would seek to employ.

Rick Santorum

I keep being told not to underestimate Rick Santorum in Iowa. He could still surprise us, but he won’t be the nominee.

None of the above

For the first time I am giving serious though to none of the above. I am moving beyond wishful thinking to actually thinking we might need a brokered convention. The candidates in this race are good people, but none of them are proving to be of a caliber of conservative leader we should be putting on the field to take on the socialist in the White House.

The odds of a brokered convention are slim to none now. But I think we might need to have a conversation about it. The soft support so many primary voters have for their candidates and the number of undecided voters out there suggests there is room for a better person.

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COMMENTS

  • http://theconservativehand.com Brookhaven

    While I’m not overly entused about Newt, I am thrilled at the idea that (for once) the GOP establishment didn’t push their guy down our throats.

    2008 – McCain
    2000 – Bush
    1996 – Dole
    1988 – Bush
    1976 – Ford

    A small victory is still a victory, and a move in the right direction.

  • lucasblack

    The reason I feel that most of the attacks on Newt will fall flat is because his simply has a better record at getting things done. For all the moaning from people like Tom Coburn, what happened when they dumped Newt? The results were a whole lot less conservative than when Newt was leading. And he didn’t even have a Republican president to work with.
    So along comes Sununu Sr. complaining that Newt broke his word back in 1990 when Bush Sr. was putting together a budget deal. Only the reason Newt ‘broke his word’ to Bush was because Bush broke his word to the American people! Who looks better in that exchange?
    Look, I get it – the man is undisciplined and an egomaniac. I don’t care. At the end of the day, for all his problems, he got more done than anybody else. I’m not at all convinced that Romney is more electable and I feel quite sure that Rick Perry is less so. So what is Newt screwed around – FDR died in the arms of his longtime mistress and he’s considered one of the best presidents ever by historians. John Kennedy was practically a man whore and everyone still likes him.

  • ralphdaily

    Sounds good to me. Better than where we are now.

  • falgore

    what is the likelihood of a nominee outside of those who have been running?

  • myoda176

    1) He is not Romney. I don’t know why the establishment cannot get their minds around the fact that conservatives don’t want Romney because we don’t want a squish to go against Obama. That’s what we all got stuck with in 08 with McCain. We need someone completely different than the other side. And we don’t need to concede the battle about Obamacare just by who we choose.
    2) He is willing to debate well and strongly on conservative principles. Romney flip flops too much and therefore cannot be trusted to hold the line in office. At least with Newt, you know where he stands and he can back it up with debate. Even if you don’t agree with him on a particular stance, you will still know why he is where he is.

    Of course, being able to watch Nancy Pelosi twist in the wind is just a side benefit. I can’t wait to see him twist up Obama on stage.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    That’s what I’ve been waiting to hear from somebody… RIGHT on Noot!

    I think I’ve reached the same conclusion as many others, Gingrich is a fighter and outstanding communicator that is the most conservative electable Republican still standing in the race

    And I’m endorsing him

  • federalfarmer1

    The house gop has not done one good thing since Newt left.

  • jaykali

    Seems like it’s Newt vs Mitt. I will leave the door open that maybe a candidate could pick up steam after the early states and ‘stick around’ long enough to maybe make a run at it but I am betting on Newt vs Mitt.

    My thoughts on electability:
    1. Are conservatives so turned off by Mitt that they are willing to elect someone who many pundits & polls say cannot win in a general election? I think this is a possibility.

    2. Are pundits overestimating the desire of the electorate to get Obama out of office. Similar to 2008 could this be a year where just about any Republican could win. When I hear A.B. Stoddard talk ab how Newt turns independents off bc of X/Y/Z my reaction is well how to they way his X/Y/Z weaknesses against Obama’s? They already might be so fed up with Obama that the Republican’s weaknesses will not be enough to supersede their dissatisfaction with Obama and the Democrats. I think this too is a possibility.

    I am very concerned ab both of these Republican candidates. I tend to feel like Romney is the safer albeit more boring and probably less conservative choice. I haven’t really changed my mind that he is still probably the more electable candidate.

  • thisisme7

    not enough Indians. If there are people who are declaring one person the candidate, or other candidacies over, you’re doing it wrong. So many people going around acting like experts when they ignore history. Go ahead though, it really doesn’t matter. All the talk of who is in and who is out will amount to just that, talk.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    Gingrich is the nominee if he can survive the next four weeks.

    If not…I think I will go hide in m y bunker for the rest of 2012.

  • bzip

    I refuse to settle for either the flip-flopping Romney or Newt the big gov’t global warming mandate candidate that has ethic violations and can’t even keep his wedding vows.

    Nope, I will stay with principles and for a true proven consistent candidate like Rick Perry.

    As Erick pointed if Perry can get into the top three in Iowa it could buy him the life line he needs. I also feel Perry can clearly pull it off being in the top three and has a good chance at the nomination but he will be hard for him. I won’t settle for less – why should you,.

  • APA Guy

    …the attacks on Newt are galvanizing support behind him. The voters here seem genuinely enthused about the possibility of electing ANYONE who was in a lawmaking/policymaking position the last time we sniffed balanced budgets.

    …and according to a Quinnipiac poll released today, he is also sweeping across the Buckeye State as well:

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/12/08/newt-gingrich-leading-in-ohio.html

    I think we may have finally found our candidate…not perfect, but dammit he knows how to fight and articulate conservative positions. I’ll take that in lieu of Romney…in a heartbeat.

  • johninohio

    if you don’t live in Iowa or New Hampshire. That is where the Republican nominee will be chosen. The last time around, it was essentially all settled before we in Ohio ever had a chance to vote. The present system of two main caucus states is archaic and unfair in this day of instant, nationwide communication. There is no longer a need to “sample” the voting public by focusing on states that supposedly represents us all.

    It’s simply another way in which the political class can manipulate statistics and bend America to it’s will.

  • colonelflagg

    “I think it is time to move beyond wishful thinking and take seriously the idea of having a brokered convention with someone other than the current crop of candidates becoming the nominee. And that, for the first time, adds a new candidate to this week?s horserace, Mr. None of the Above.”

    Best thing I’ve seen you write, Mr. Erickson. Gingrich doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in a hot place of beating 0bama. Paul Ryan, to choose just one example, could crush 0bama in a debate just as easily as Gingrich could — and he’s an actual conservative as opposed to Newt and Romney.

    Bring on a brokered convention.

  • texabama

    They are the two most pro-big government of the lot and it pains me to see them representing conservatives. I know I’m going to be told that Gingrich defines conservatism ad nauseum and he can certainly articulate it. I’m just not sure he knows what it means after he’s said it.

  • http://bobnew.com robertnew

    Has anyone considered that even most conservatives have either been through a divorce or knows a friend or family memeber who has? At some point in history these things people are beating Newt up for was bound to become a non-issue. Perhaps we have reached that point.

    I also believe we are at a point where people are so focused on someone who can turn things around they are willing to overlook the personal mistakes of Newt. They want a candidate who can take Obama and the Chicago machine head on. Romney, Santorum, Pawlenty, or Huntsman did not show that willingness to take the gloves the off and fight for our future.

    This campaign may change the value of the consultants and pundits who have been the go to guys of the past and a new crop may emerge.

  • texabama

    I’ll be muting the TV (like I do with Obama) if he is. Too much diarrhea of the mouth. I hate being lectured to by “the professor”.

  • tomatin

    No thanks.

  • exitsfunnel

    It’s always strange to me when people talk about Mitt Romney as the ‘establishment’ guy. He’s not. The GOP establishment HATES Mitt Romney; that’s why they kept trying to recruit other candidates (Daniels, Christie, etc). The weird thing about this cycle is that there isn’t an establishment candidate.

    -exits

  • texabama

    And to make matters worse, the two states chosen are miniscule in terms of population and the population they do have tends to be much more homogenous that the national population. Hardly representative.

  • APA Guy

    “. Gingrich doesn?t have a snowball?s chance in a hot place of beating 0bama.”

    Name for us which of the following 2008 states he won before that Obama will win against Newt and why:

    IN – 11 (EV)
    NC – 15
    FL – 29
    OH – 18
    VA – 13
    PA – 20

    …and that’s just the short list…I doubt he wins WI, IA or MN either.

  • tomatin

    But I do agree Newt knows how to get things done. So what if he breaks a few eggs to do it.

  • windwaker24

    It’s the cheating. My mother is divorced. She didn’t cheat on my father, though. It just didn’t work out. He was a jerk to her verbally and broke a lot of promises. If she were to run for president, I would vote for her. If my father did, I wouldn’t. Both are conservative.

  • texabama

    but other ethics issues will be important. I think he’s going to be hit long and hard on the Fannie/Freddie consulting and the 37 million his entities took in, especially as they relate to health care. Newt is going to come off as a shady opportunist who skates just this side of the law. That little smile on his face looks too much like Boss Hogg (sp?) from the Dukes of Hazzard.

  • naraht

    I certainly agree that there are more men than women would are likely to come out of a Brokered convention, but I think there is at least one woman who isn’t from Alaska or Minnesota who I think could be selected by a brokered convention: Arizona Governor Jan Brewer.

  • WY_Cowboy

    should investigate the actual functionality of a brokered convention. I know there are states that statutorily bind delegates to vote for the winner of their primaries. I don’t know how many states do that, which ones they are, how long those delegates are statutorily bound, or what, if any, enforcement mechanism there is in those states.

    The winner-take-all provisions of states also complicates the eventuality of a brokered convention. How severe are the complications? I don’t know.

    Is there someone at Red State that can take a serious look into all of this and report back? It seems state statutes, RNC rules, and state party rules have all been established to try to avoid brokered conventions.

  • passinthru

    For the sake of us newbies and at the risk of sounding ignorant, I need to ask a question. When someone refers to ‘Republican establishment’, exactly who are we speaking of? John Boehner? Karl Rove? All Congressional Republicans?
    Just trying to educate myself. Thanks guys : )

  • snowshooze

    Would this be the GOP selecting and backing a Candidate?
    Would this remain in the standard format?
    Or would it be a second Republican ticket, a stand alone completely aside of the Nominee?

  • Scope

    is that he has 2 divorces and has had three wives. He cheated on the first wife with wife number two, and then cheated on wife number two with wife number three. Newt has also treated some of his positions and ideas as he has his wives. Before he gives his first idea a chance to be implemented, he has already moved onto idea number two, abandons that idea and moves onto idea number three. Newt reminds me of some kids with their Christmas toys. A week after Christmas they are already bored with the new toys and are ready to move onto something else.

  • APA Guy

    This is 1980 again…and we need a candidate who can clearly and consistently present conservative alternatives to Obama’s useless economic policies. Newt fits the bill perfectly, regardless of h is personal life.

  • http://wingright.org bnuckols

    We have an opportunity to vote our principles in Rick Perry. Gingrich or Romney would just be the latest version of “it’s his turn.” We need the consistency and the radical DC outsider that is Rick Perry.

    The Newt is everything that we have been fighting since McCain was nominated. He has been selling himself as the next in line, ever since Obama’s inauguration, according to the report in the Real Clear Politics’ Election 2012: the Battle Begins.

    Worse, we won’t have the family values argument in Newt. I’m not sure his history of serial adultery can stand up to same sex marriage. He can’t even stay on point on when life begins, telling us one thing on Friday and begging Catholics to tell us he meant something else on Sunday.

  • nativetexan41

    in my opinion. I wonder if those in Perry’s campaign are the old Newt workers or T-Paw’s workers, who ever they are , they need to be fired they are not doing Perry any good by talking.
    I am going to vote for Perry!

  • gawken

    There, EE..allow me to say it for you…

    Many of us knew it long ago, and said so…

    Perry does have a chance as you say. Where I would disagree with you is that he still has control of events that could resurrect his campaign. Cain is gone, Bachman and Santorum will be all but gone after Iowa. They’ve both bee telling us that they’ll do well in the caucus..and they won’t.

    All three, Cain, Bachman, Santorum, appeal strongly to the evangelical wing of the GOP. Their COMBINED level of support are probably between 25-35%..depending of which state you’re polling. Perry’s just released ads in Iowa appeal strongly to that demographic.

    If you take Perry’s current support at between 5-10%, and posit that he can, and should, garner the majority of the CBS vote ( Cain/Bachmann/Santorum) then Perry can head into South Carolina and Florida with a solid 30-35% support level…and a good chance to add some of the undecided to that.

    Mitt will be done, finished, after NH…at best he eeks out a small win, though now it’s probably even money that he loses. And if he does get a small “victory” why should he get any credit for a small PLURALITY in a state where he’s all but a favorite son?

    Absent a late entry at the convention..this will soon be a two man race..between Newt and Perry. Perry definitely has the opportunity to win the prize.

  • Common_Cents

    Just providing a little perspective.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    I am with Governor Perry 100%, come what may. I think he has a much better chance than people are giving him credit for, and here’s why:

    1) Newt has baggage. A lot of it. Eventually it will all come out and kill him politically, just as it did to Cain.

    2) Nobody likes Willard.

    3) Everyone’s scared of Paul.

    4) Perry still has money

    NEVERTHELESS, I will support Governor Perry to the bitter end. Back in August I was an extraordinarily naive political newbie and thought this would be easy. Boy, was I wrong. But the best things NEVER come easy. If we want true change in this country then we’ll have to fight for it; we’ll have to fall on our knees and then get on our feet.

    Perry foot soldiers, as circlegranch described you this morning–DO NOT GIVE UP. Just because Puddleglum political pundits on both sides of the aisle are writing Perry’s obituary does NOT mean we have to accept it. Stranger things have happened in political history–after all, even Barack Obama was a long shot. It takes dedication, a gritting of the teeth, and clenching of the fists, and walking straight into the fury of the storm, to catapult our candidate into the Oval Office. And we can do it. Perry supporters are getting organized and making a lot of noise, whether on Twitter, RS, HotAir (now that some new blood was able to get in yesterday), and other websites. Perry was on Fox this morning and gave a great interview, from what I heard, and his speech yesterday got several standing ovations.

    It’s not over. “Success IS NOT FINAL, failure IS NOT FATAL; it is the COURAGE TO CONTINUE that counts.”

  • APA Guy

    Thank you…Americans could give a rip who he legally did what with in his private life. They want someone who will fix this country and its economy…PERIOD.

  • APA Guy

    Thank you…Americans could give a rip who he legally did what with in his private life. They want someone who will fix this country and its economy…PERIOD.

  • snowshooze

    And I know there will be a third party Candidate, I just don’t know who it will be. I hope it is a Democrat, and I think it well could be because their party is fracturing.
    Our party is in panic. This is ok for the moment, but could be very detrimental if it extends into the Primary elections to the point where people are voting in terms of marketability rather than policy.
    I sorta went through a cycle considering these things myself.. and wound up right where I started.
    Figure out who the best guy is and dismiss everything else.
    Vote for him.
    After that… deal with it.

  • westcoastpatriette

    with the current state of affairs, the term “Republican establishment” is referring to the old school Repubs who resist change and are generally more liberal than they are conservative. It may include anyone with clout within the Party–not necessarily just elected officials. Another term used for them is RINO–Republicans IN Name Only as they have so departed from conservative principles that they do not represent true Republicans. We also refer to them as “elites” as they operate in a bubble in Washington and assume a role of a privileged class.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Excellent points all.

  • easyb

    Obama or Gingrich?

    Mute him if you will, but don’t stay home. One of those professors is way way better than the other.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    re Wyoming at the Green Papers web site.

    For example, here’s the link to what they have compiled for Arizona:

    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/AZ-R

    As you can see, it’s a complicated subject. How, or whether, state delegates are “bound” is a complicated question unique to each state and can be impacted by state statutes, the Rules of the Republican Party, the state party’s rules, any perhaps the consciences of each delegate. As I hope to be a delegate at the convention, I already have had discussions with one of the AZ GOP old-timers who really knows this stuff and it is a complicated subject.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • easyb

    To watch all this happen from California. Nothing I can do but root from the sidelines. I have a job, so I can’t go to Iowa & help out. It’s aggravating.

  • texabama

    I have to have faith that we can and will do better than Gingrich. Maybe he’ll dazzle me with a really good vice-presidential candidate like our last nominee.

  • http://wingright.org bnuckols

    Even if I’m disappointed in the lack of loyalty (much less ability to stick to your principles) you showed, Erick, you gave me fodder for my WingRight.org.
    http://wp.me/p1FiCk-ov

  • windwaker24

    I wasn’t born in 1980, so I don’t know anything about that race. Some people like to equate Reagan’s divorce to Newt’s divorces. That are not the same. That the point I was trying to make. But I agree it’s the economy, and Obama will probably not bring up the personal baggage. He will bring up the political baggage in which the media will tie it into his personal baggage to create distrust. I will probably vote for him if he is the nominee, but I will never trust him based on what I’ve seen and heard already.

  • tailfins1959

    Are these that same GOP officials that gave us Dede Scozzafava?

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    Nt.

  • Locked and Loaded

    and Americans have never been – and never will be – as forgiving as He who wrote it.

  • snowshooze

    And the current block granting is dispensed with, defaulting to a system of a majority vote?

  • wennejunk

    Regardless of their differences and internal problems, they place winning above ideology.

    Except for the Greens, Nadarites, etc who are not really humans, after all, but rather a virus on Gaia – they will always have a third party.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    It starts out as a deadlocked convention. Each party requires a candidate to garner at least xxxx votes from nominating delegations. If nobody has that many after the first ballot, the negotiations then commence to get people to release their delegates.

    A brokered convention results if several of the candidates agree on one main candidate and pool their delegates to get a number greater than the xxxx that are needed.

    If brokering fails and the convention appears too deadlocked to get a deal cut, than what you described will be tried as a mathod to get at least a ticket together so that Barack Obama does not run unopposed.

  • AceInTX

    You should put down the crack pipe and step away before someone get’s hurt man!!

    Who is Romney’s endorsement list reads like a who’s who of the northeastern establishment of the Republican Party. From Karl Rove to Dan Quale to Jerry Lewis to RMSP type Republicrats across the nation…

    This is a joke…right?

  • APA Guy

    …and divorces won’t matter in 2012. It’s the economic circumstances preceding the elections that are eerily similar.

    People are frustrated…hurt…angry with the way the country has been run these past four years. Gingrich has the skills and strength to grind Obama into dust…and to do so for the entire world to see. That not only increases the chances of victory, but will be a hell of a lot of fun to witness!

  • hls87

    until they don’t anymore. It was the same with Cain. His bubble kept inflating for several weeks after he had definitively demonstrated that he wasn’t a serious candidate for President. His supporters dug in to defend him. They got emotionally invested in doing so. In the end, however, it didn’t matter. You can’t make a pig fly, at least not for long.

    Like Cain, Gingrich is a ludicrous candidate. His supporters can dig in all they like, but when the truth is that your candidate is a nonstarter, there is no defending him. He won’t win Iowa or even make the top two there. In a month we will be discussing his candidacy in the past tense.

  • ericksontales

    A brokered convention is the WORST outcome we could possibly hope for. There is a reason why candidates need to go through this process. Remember when Perry was perfect? Remember when Cain could do no wrong? All a brokered convention will do is give us a mediocre candidate that never had the backbone to go through the process. As an American citizen the thought of a brokered convention is completely unacceptable. Since its not going to happen I don’t have to lay in bed worrying about it.

    Next up… Erick for months you keep peddling this idea, “80% of Republican voters want nothing to do with him and a third would rather go to the fight with a retread from the Clinton era than Mitt Romney.” This is pure speculation on your part. 20%+ want him as their first choice. That doesn’t mean that 80% don’t want him at all. You aren’t fooling anyone with this line of attack. You keep pandering to an anti-Romney crowd with these statements and some even in the elite media are buying this. This statement that 80% want nothing to do with him is an out right fallacious claim.. How do you think you can even get away with making such an outrageous claim? This shows that you will stop at nothing to make sure that Romney is NOT the nominee.

  • valrobex

    One of the hits I?ve heard against Romney is that he cut a deal in 2008 to avoid a prolonged bloody primary with McCain and in return would receive the backing of the Republican establishment next time around. Don?t know if it?s true, but I tend to think it is. That thought sullies his candidacy in my mind and in the minds of some I?ve talked with.

  • exitsfunnel

    It’s true that he has more or less become the guy that the establishment is supporting but only by default and because the options are so horrible. The vast majority of them hate him personally and did everything in their power to pull someone else into the race.

    -exits

  • valrobex

    Though in all fairness the current House GOP’ers have passed some bills that I approve of. Unfortunately, the Senate GOP’ers have no balls to take on H. Reid & Co.

  • valrobex

    to see Princess Pelosi twist in the wind and back off on her ill-fated attack on the Newtmeister.

  • exitsfunnel

    (1) He *hadn’t* received the backing of the establishment until recently when they had to finally reconcile themselves to the fact that they weren’t going to be able to strong arm anyone else into the race.

    (2) For all of the talk of ‘The Establishment’ there really is no single organized body with which one could even cut that kind of deal or that would ever have the power to enforce it.

    (3) Continuing on really wasn’t in Mitt Romney’s best interests. The writing was on the wall; there was no path to victory for him and it would have required that he spend a large chunk of his personal wealth. Fighting on just didn’t make any sense.

    (4) There is no real evidence (or it’s mixed at best) that long primaries hurt the nominee. The long, bloody primary certainly didn’t hurt Obama. So even if there were some official Establishment with the power to cut that deal, it’s not clear why they would have any particular interest.

    -exits

  • naraht

    I’ve looked at both Conservapedia and Wikipedia. In either case, this is nowhere near the situation with Gingrich.

    Wikipedia
    Following arguments about Reagan’s political ambitions, Wyman filed for divorce in 1948,[43] citing a distraction due to her husband’s Screen Actors Guild union duties; the divorce was finalized in 1949.[26] He is the only US president to have been divorced.[44]

    Ronald and Nancy Reagan aboard a boat in California in 1964
    Reagan met actress Nancy Davis (born 1921)[45] in 1949 after she contacted him in his capacity as president of the Screen Actors Guild to help her with issues regarding her name appearing on a communist blacklist in Hollywood.

    Conservapedia indicates the death of a child in 1947 at age one day also affected their marriage.

  • MF

    Only by those who actually like the welfare state! He was a terrible president, no question about it. Look at his strong-arming the Supreme Court, with the threat to add six more seats to pack it with liberals, for another great example of his “greatness”.

  • Scope

    are all in the anyone but Romney column. EE is correct, 80% of those polled don’t want anything to do with Romney either.

  • earlgrey

    Cheney just to see liberals go nuts.

  • windwaker24

    Yes, the economy is terrible so some people will look past Newt failings. But don’t lump people who get divorces in with people who commit adultery that leads to a divorce. There is a big difference. Newt is not Reagan in that respect.

  • valrobex

    It’s a concept. A “straw man” established by political advisers of the competing candidates directed toward waffling or undecided voters into thinking that this candidate of that candidate is weaker.

    Define for me what is meant by “electability?” Is it an animal, a vegetable, is it a mineral? All it is, is manipulated group think by those who are masters at manipulation.

    The reason for a campaign is for the candidates to convince you, the voter, that they can do the job. You job is to vette the candidates, chose the one who will best serve our nation IYHO, and support them.

    It is the candidate’s job to convince others of the same.

    Don’t fall for the straw man argument..

  • Lesstressrx

    We may have a candidate and I doubt that, but if we do, then Washington will be same ole same ole. Newt is BIG GOVERNMENT, make no mistake. Yes I would rather have him than Romney.

  • rickperryreport

    Newt understands the audience and what their pain point is. Or, his talents displayed during the debates aligned perfectly with that.

    GOP voters want desperately to defeat Obama. To do that, they are willing to overlook the detractors of a candidate if that candidate can enunciate an ability to seriously challenge Obama. The debates have showcased Newt’s finely-honed public speaking abilities from his speaking tours and Fox News appearance over the last 7-8 years. My hat if off to him for that.

    Newt has done a great job of self-managing his brand and personal sales pitches.

    What we’ll get if we buy the Newt package is an open question.

    So I remain a Rick Perry man, because he has a record of executive leadership, not glam TV appearances and pontification (-;

  • Lesstressrx

    So we just settle because someone is better than Obama. A moderate democrat is better than Obama. Do we want that?
    The press and Washington can’t wait for the Republicans to settle.

  • jaykali

    I get what you’re saying but I think some candidates have a better shot against Obama than others.

    It’s not a straw man argument because you have different votes in the primary than you do in the general. In the primary it’s all conservative voters. In the general you have to win a lot of independent votes.

    Therefore personally I would rather have a candidate that appeals more broadly to independents this year. The conservative base is already extremely motivated to vote for Obama, I don’t think it makes really any difference who the candidate is.

    As for the independents, some might be scared off of the Republican candidate in theory. Obama’s numbers for independents are terrible but if he faces a Republican candidate with similarly terrible numbers then somethings got to give. And it remains to be seen what that will be.

    I am really nervous ab somehow Obama winning re-election. I think I will be dumbfounded if he does. It will mean is that we have stand-still for 4 years and potentially a shift to the left by the Supreme Court which would be bad.

  • unclefred

    Further NH is a primary state not a caucus state. With FL and SC moved up so far the impact of Iowa and NH is greatly diminished.

    As for instant nationwide communication making retail politics unneeded, you should consider the value of it being necessary for politicians to actually take unscripted questions from regular people face to face in public forums. You may not like the size of Iowa and NH but they make it impossible to win solely based on TV ads and farcical “debates” like the ones we’ve seen this year.

    Realistically, other possibly tripping up a candidate with an unexpected question, the only reason that Iowa and NH have the impact you give them is because the MSM uses the result to proclaim a winner.

  • AceInTX

    I can also point out that it appears…(though there is no proof)…that there was a deal cut by people from the McCain Camp to support Romney in 2012 id he would drop out in 08 to make room for Romney

    If you look at Romney’s campaign team they are a whose who of the McCain Campaign and I would argue Romney has gotten support from the same cadre who said McCain was our only hope of stopping Hillary/Obama in 08…I’ve been at this since 1992…and I’ve heard the same drivel about the same candidates frtom the same people every four years since then and I can tell when the fix is in…

    I’ll point you to the compressed primary schedule as another example of the way the establishment has front loaded and compressed the primary schedule to favor Romney who has better name recognition and deep pockets and who should have been able to sweep past anyone else…yet he hasn’t been able to close the deal…

    hmm…maybe the establishment backed a lame horse this time out of the shoot…but to say they hate Mitt Romney is a joke of ther highest order!

  • onemovoter

    And not Newt on foreign policy. That is why Perry has been ahead of the news out there on foreign policy.

    Granted I’m sure Bolton would serve if asked to. He knows there is an urgency to correct or foreign policy after this disastrous Obama presidency. Just depends on who ends up getting there to hire him.

  • APA Guy

    Sanctimonious preaching is far less useful in the midst of a nation in ruin. Nothing can be done to erase Newt’s past, but plenty can be done to damage our future if we nominate the wrong person to beat Obama.

    Gingrich has a real chance to wipe him out and restore this country’s greatness. The nation’s voters will ultimately see that, and I think the Lord would not have put such an opportunity within his grasp if he hadn’t forgiven him for his past sins.

  • rickperryreport

    I post this here not as an endorsement of the delivery, but something to think about:

    Kim Kardashian of the GOP

    s Newt Gingrich trustworthy? Do you know much about his family life? Molotov Mitchell illuminates and eviscerates in this hilarious expose of the GOP’s heir-apparent.

    If the embed works, here’s the video:

  • Lesstressrx

    Rick Perry is going against the Washington crowd like no other. Newt is the Washington crowd.
    You don’t hear Newt saying Congress should go home and live under the laws they create. You don’t hear him saying that Congresses pay should be slashed to 1/2 along with the time they spend there. Perry is going after the regulations that are strangling the private sector.
    Perry has moral standards. Be real sure the media doesn?t want Perry. Washington will fight like crazy to make him look bad and keep him from changing their playpen. He believes in small limited government. If the media and Washington are against him, it is a good bet that he would be a great President for real change. If Perry wins this race you can be sure it will be God’s hands at work.

  • center77

    Newt will likely be over before voting starts. If not then we are all in trouble. Newts a bad joke played on the public by the gullible GOP voters.

  • federalfarmer1

    And whine about newtmentum there.

  • APA Guy

    Who exactly are you trying to convince with your diatribe? It appears as though the voting GOP electorate is throwing its support behind Gingrich from where I sit. Perhaps the sky is purple in your world…who knows…

  • Lesstressrx

    I won’t settle for less for less either. My husband and I are all the way with Perry. I hope Eric is right and while the media is having a slobbering love affair with Newt, Perry can work behind the scenes and get back on top. Eric don’t give up on Perry.

  • rickperryreport

    … Perry would be a shoo-in. The landscape is definitely different than it was in 1984. Everyone talks about the “Reagan Democrats” circa 1980 and 1984, but I fear they have all died of natural causes. Those were our grandparents…

  • APA Guy

    Divorce…cheating…it’s different..GREAT…NO ONE CARES.

    What this country and its electorate cares about is who is going to put them back to work and the nation on the path to prosperity.

    You keep harping on personal semantics – when in reality, personal lives don’t matter in 2012. People like you will be in a far better position to hold someone’s personal flaws against him when the economy isn’t in ruin.

  • APA Guy

    Divorce…cheating…it’s different..GREAT…NO ONE CARES.

    What this country and its electorate cares about is who is going to put them back to work and the nation on the path to prosperity.

    You keep harping on personal semantics – when in reality, personal lives don’t matter in 2012. People like you will be in a far better position to hold someone’s personal flaws against him when the economy isn’t in ruin.

  • snowshooze

    But they just allows them to Nominate as individuals rather than awarding the entire State?
    The current Field of Candidates being unaffected, the sole difference being the departure of the block granting?
    It seems to me we had a conversation going about adopting this method a while back and the general consensus being that it was generally a wash.

  • tankertodd

    To see Cheney run, I’d be tempted to loan him my heart to watch that.

    Don’t mess with Cheney or he’ll shoot you in your damn face! :-)

  • bzip

    You want a President with good moral character.
    Someone who has never cheated on the wife.
    You want a principled candidate.
    A proven conservative based on a record,
    you want someone that can beat Obama.

    The answer is very clear, the answer is Rick Perry.
    Why turn your back on principles and character?

    Perry makes play for military voters
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/08/perry-makes-play-for-military-voters/

  • snowshooze

    nt

  • center77

    the Reagan Democrats are conservative independents now, and they WLAN follow the candidate that has the best record along with the most compelling plan. I imagine Perry would be very formidable if the whole center right was behind him.

  • texas214

    I know, I know, there will those here at RS who come to Newt’s defense on this , BUT there is a gender problem with women voters he has to deal with. Not only have I seen it around me with women who range from moderate to uber-conservative, but even Dr. Richard Land has penned an open letter to Newt on the subject.

    If this doesn’t change, the issue of electibility will be a real. The middle America soccer moms, who are not paying attention to the primaries much like many of us here, don’t appear to be enthused or even much like Newt. For him to win that has to change.

  • federalfarmer1

    I might get beat up for saying this, but Erickson and redstate are part of the establishment. I think they deserve some blame for building the support for Perry to get in the race, as it should have been obvious he doesn’t travel well outside of Texas and would not be a good candidate. Pawlenty was sort of a weiner, but had at least as conservative a record as Perry, in a northern purple state, and could articulate conservative ideas fairly well. But for Perrys poorly considered run, the ridiculous attacks on pawlenty for not attacking enough, and bachmanns insane run, he’d be in the race and looking very good, and wed all be mocking huntsman and promoting Newt for press secretary instead of trying to justify their campaigns.

  • onemovoter

    Gives details about Newt’s campaign and the chaos he’s dealing with. Seems that Newt has now failed to either qualify for or field a full delegation for 3 states.

    Gingrich’s Organization Deficit Disorder

    In New Hampshire, Newt was unable to field a full delegation of representatives which means he won’t receive the number of delegates related to the percentage he wins in NH.

    He also failed to file in time for the Missouri primary. That is a winner take all state. He also just failed to file in time to make the Ohio primary which is another winner take all state.

    candidates fail to field full slate of delegates in NH < this article tells the details. Bachmann and Santorum are also in the same boat in NH.

    All of this along with Newt's complete lack of organization in the early states I think will show him to be like the 2008 Dem race, where he has the polls but flames out early on.

    My guess is that we really won't know how this will shake out until Super Tuesday hits in March. After then we'll probably have a better idea of who will be leading.

  • bzip

    I personally care and anyone with respect towards their wedding vows and oath should care. It also can easily show what kind of character the person is.

    That is ridiculous and I am willing to bet many Americans will care, care enough that Newt will hand the general over to Obama.

  • Common_Cents

    Wouldn’t that bias be showing up?

  • texas214

    Romney isn’t my favorite either, but I don’t have the same animosity towards him as many here do. On many of the issues he is clearly to the right of Gingrich, fits the electibility requirement, is well organized and has the support of many of the governors in the states we need to win.

    Please tell me it is something other than the Morman issue, because I hope that isn’t the case.

    There are others I would have liked to see run other than this crowd, but they aren’t, so we are left to pick from them.

  • center77

    because Newt is the epidemic that is Washington corruption. If we give Democrats this argument by running the very thing we railed against for three years we look like it was never about changing Washington, it will seem like it was all Obama hate and power. I can say that’s what it will look like, because that’s what it is looking like to me, and I’m conservative. I did not back this movement to have it given to those who we fought.

  • texas214

    I have many women around me who range from run of the mill conservative to what some would call ultra-conservative, and none of them can stand Newt.

    As I mentioned it is also something Dr. Land picked up on.

  • federalfarmer1

    While rush, hannity, etc survive from their advertisers, a lot of conservative media can’t make it on advertising and relies on big money donors to stay in business. This is why you see nro endorsing romney, and other conservative outlets take the positions they do. It’s always follow the money.

    This is a good thing by the way, we like big donors to fund conservative media. This is how its always been done. Conservatives shouldn’t close their eyes to how the world works, however.

  • center77

    it will be about how the Goo nominee has a wife 30 years younger who was his intern and was cheating with him while he was braking ethics rules and leading impeachment hearing one of the most popular presidents in recent history. The Democrats are praying for Newt, because they know he is an easy distraction.

  • mrmises

    nt

  • ericksontales

    I haven’t seen ONE poll that has indicated that 80% of Republicans do not want anything to do with Romney. To my knowledge there has been no such poll completed. If there was you would have to ask that specific question to come to such a brazen conclusion.

    EE is NOT correct on this. Prove it. Please somebody prove that this theory is correct. There are many that have Romney as their second choice and at least 20% that have him as their first choice.

    While it is true there are some anti-Romney people that number is far smaller than EE or mainstream media wants to admit.

    All it is is baseless claims that have no place in a professional journalist column. It’s quite pathetic really.

  • onemovoter

    Windwaker is right, folks in Iowa are very religious, more so than I think in any other state. It is why Perry is running such commercials there that show Perry has always been someone who’s been fighting the culture wars. Soon he’ll switch to economic and job commercials the week leading up to Christmas. That will get people talking over the holiday week after that.

    That message along with Perry’s ground crew in Iowa I think will surprise quite a few people and will probably come in second to Ron Paul. Romney and Newt will probably tie for 3rd. Then Bachmann and Santorum.

    That’s right I do think Ron Paul will surprise a lot of people in the Iowa caucus. His supporters are more rabid than everyone else is.

  • omegamale

    92% of Republicans “don’t want anything to do” with Perry either, since he’s pulling around 8% support right now. It’s a dumb way to look at the electorate.

    They’ve done polls on “who would you find to be an acceptable GOP nominee” and Romney actually scored far higher than Perry did.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/151325/Republicans-Gingrich-Romney-Acceptable-Nominees.aspx

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    move into the West Wing with eleven wives and a gay paramour. The issue isn’t Newt’s cheating. The issue is Obama’s incompetence and his Marxist philosopy.

    Get over it.

  • texas214

    I promise you conservative women don’t have the some theory of relativism on this subject as you do.

  • johninohio

    because to Middle America (Tea Partiers) Romney’s business experience would be an asset in the battle for the economy.

    But to everyone else, Obama can make Romney the epitomy of the “Wall Streeters who brought the economy down”. Romney will be the heartless capitalist who wants every American to go out into the cold world and fend for themselves, while squeezing their last dollar out of them. Look at the thousands of people who lost their jobs because of him restructuring the companies they worked for, while he and his partners got rich.

    Oh yeah. That’ll be Obama’s and the media’s line of attack. How many people do you know who won’t resonate with that argument?

    Newt may have his own baggage, but none of it can be used against him in an argument over the economy and the welfare state.

  • Common_Cents

    And talked they did, they talked about how Gingrich is inspiring confidence and his polls strengthened since then.

    Will someone tell me how all the women who will not vote for Newt are magically left out of every single poll?

    I don’t get that one.

  • bzip

    What happen to Cain will happen to Newt in the general election – Newt will lose the women’s vote.

    In then primaries I doubt the fellow candidates will hit Newt below the belt with his cheating on his wife BUT in the general the dem’s will hit Newt hard for cheating on his wife and it will be ugly.

    The guy is damaged and ensures Obama will win. Even if you discount the women issue, we have ethic violations and who knows what dirt will subtly show up from those past investigations.

  • origami

    who isn’t also a snake? If Romney or Gingrich is the nominee I’m going to seriously consider not voting in the President section of the ballot. Instead I’ll give my money to some PACs I like and vote with my congressman.

    But damn would I hate to see it come to that. Bring on the brokered convention.

  • Common_Cents

    Is there any data that you have seen?

    If women are that strongly opposed I’d think it’d show up. Or are the polls only getting men? I’d think that’d be a glaring stat that would pop out.

  • Locked and Loaded

    The Demedia complex won’t go to work for Newt like they did for Clinton.

    Sanctimonious? You’re more the hypocrite. Your conjecture about the Lord’s blessing over a leader of a people who do not care about their leader’s morality? Sounds like Democrat rationalization to me.

  • onemovoter

    And as most here know, HotAir polling has pretty much been following the herd mentality and is gives indications of where the conservatives are headed.

    HotAir Snap Survey Results after Cain

    If you look at the graph that has the candidates and where they placed in this poll, you’ll see Newt has dropped some from his top and came down a bit, while Perry has popped up into second. All others are dropping including Romney. Looks like if Newt fails to do as well as people think (which I’m guessing he’ll fail to live up to polling expectations) Perry will be the default person to go to in the end.

    Surprising is that Ron Paul supporters don’t flood this online survey more than they do with other sites.

  • lineholder

    Does the recent Gallup poll showing a marked decrease in enthusiasm amongst Republicans reflect this “none of the above” sentiment? Maybe?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/151403/Republicans-Less-Enthusiastic-Voting-2012.aspx

    Almost back down even with the Dems regarding enthusiasm. I hope this changes soon.

  • Common_Cents

    the left will attack ANY candidate we put up. they will use their whole $1billion war chest and then about $3billion in free attacks from the media.

    We could run Jesus himself and they’d smear him. Dan Rather would find an original document made in Microsoft Word saying Jesus did hard time or something.

    So, the real point is, what candidate is best to fight back and counter the media?

    This is the question folks.

    we are falling into the left’s trap playing our “who’s more pure, game” comparing our candidates to perfection, rather than comparing them to beat obama.

  • brucealexy

    For one, or many reasons, each of the current candidates is, to be polite, not the best we have to offer.

    My hope and prayer is that we do have a brokered convention and that we nominate the best candidate we could possibly have- MARCO RUBIO!

    Does anyone else feel this way?

  • mrmises

    I interpret Mr. Perry?s poll numbers as follows. People recognized that Texas was an economic outlier since 2008. Mr. Perry was governor, and they attributed some of that success to him. He enthusiastically expressed disdain for the Fat Cats in D.C. and NYC. That captured the zeitgeist of Republican voters anticipating a weak primary field including the boring Pawlenty, the Trump-birtherism garbage, and retread Romney. He entered the race at the perfect time and shot to the top of the polls. He continued lobbing rhetorical bombs. He offered his solutions in the form of a flat tax and his support fell off a cliff. His debate performances didn?t help. His reform plans did not capture voter imagination. He sits at the bottom of the polls. He will remain there. His empty promises do not bode well for any second looks he might get.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Maybe.

    The “GOP officials” in the case of the selection of Dede Scozzafava were the precinct committeemen and the county chairmen in the NY counties within NY-23. In New York, me recollection is that the precinct committeemen are elected every even year in the primary elections. Any registered Republican can run for the precinct committeeman office. The problem in NY-23 (and I verified this by calling several of the Republican Party county committee chairmen) was the same as it is, on average, in every county in America: about half of the precinct committeeman slots are vacant. According to the Rules of the Republican Party of New York State, when a vacancy in a congressional seat happens, the party of that former incumbent gets to select the nominee for the special election — not the registered voters of that party. And they can do it according to whatever rules they choose. The NY Republican Party rules state that the county chairmen were to take advice from their precinct committeemen, but, ultimately, the county chairmen vote on who will be the nominee. That’s how Scozzafava got the nod — not enough of the precinct committeemen and county chairmen were conservatives. Did more conservatives step up to the plate in 2010 to become precinct committeemen in NY-23. Will they in 2012? I hope so.

    In a nut shell, the the Republican Party is not “conservative enough” for some conservative Republicans simply because not enough conservatives are “inside” the Republican Party — as voting members of it: precinct committeemen. The requirements vary from state to state, but becoming one is not onerous. Again, about half of the slots are vacant, on average, in every state. Here in AZ, about half of our PC slots are still vacant, but that’s a vast improvement since 2008, when over two-thirds of the slots were empty. The vast majority of the new PCs are conservatives from the “tea partier” ranks and, thus, many more conservatives have been elected to the officer positions and will be elected to our national convention delegate slots.

    Every state has its own rules for how precinct committeemen (called different things in different states, too) are elected and how the delegates to the national convention are selected. A great compilation of the rules for selecting convention delegates is here: www.thegreenpapers.com.

    Bottom line: any registered Republican has the right to participate inside the Party. The sad part is that not enough conservative Republicans do it.

    And don’t expect the RNC, the NRSC, the NRCC or your state or county or local committees to urge you to get involved or actively seek you out. Most of the “establishment Republicans” like the status quo just fine. They like running unopposed election cycle after election cycle for their officer and delegate posts inside the Party.

    If we conservative Republicans want to change “the Republican Party” we have to get inside it. As PCs.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • lineholder

    I’m a female, and what I’ll say is that while I don’t like Newt’s past history with females and what it reveals about his moral standards pertaining to sexual activity and faithfulness within marriage, four more years of Obama are likely to send this country into a major tailspin that we’ll be lucky to ever recover from.. It’s the policies…and the fact that Obama doesn’t even like this country, much less love her, and doesn’t have an ounce of respect for the vision of our founding fathers.

    Faithful to his wives Newt may not have been, but I’ll put his love for our nation and his trustworthiness pertaining to at least appreciating and respecting the underlying principles on which this nation was established above Obama’s mindset and outlook of “transformation” every day of the week and a thousand times over on Sundays.

    In that context, what I don’t like about Newt is secondary to my concern about this nation’s future.

  • easyb

    I don’t care if he’s a Mormon…it’s a non-issue for me. He seems very malleable. I think he’s playing the part of conservative for the primary audience. I think he played the part of liberal in Massachusetts. I am unsure of his core convictions. I think if you don’t like Mitt’s position on something, wait 5 minutes.

    I think that’s the main thing that many have against Romney.

  • naraht

    By him marrying the gay paramour. DC has gay marriage. :)

  • getitright4achange

    Since Obama gets to have a teleprompter so he can articulate his message without stuttering (or the message of whoever prompts the teleprompter), how about if we nominate Ron Paul and have him whisper in Newt’s ear, who can then relay the well-articulated version of how to restore our Constitutional Republic?

  • Scope

    When Mitch Daniels called for a truce on social issues, look at the backlash that it caused him. He said his wife didn’t want him to run, no doubt because their personal lives, with the divorce and then remarriage, would be an open book. That was earlier this year.

    When you say that divorce was not an issue in 08, if you are referring to McCain’s divorce that was a whole different ball of wax. McCain was married before be became a POW, and was away from his wife for many years. When he came back home after all that time, the two no doubt had become very different people, particularly McCain. I don’t know that McCain cheated on his first wife before divorcing her.

    I doubt that many would have a problem with a candidate that was in a marriage that just couldn’t work out, and it ends in divorce. Many people do have a problem with testing out the next wife before you’ve divorced the first one, and in Gingrich’s case, the second one also. As I said elsewhere, Gingrich seems to treat his ideas as he did his wives.

  • woode

    was the same argument given to support Bush 41 over Reagan. We were told over and over again in 1979-80 that Reagan was too conservative to win. Voting electability over substance cheapens the value of your most valued possession of freedom.

  • APA Guy

    Can’t take much more…

  • naraht

    I guarantee if Newt is the nominee that the Democrats will have Obama campaign commercials consisting of a warm &fuzzy “How Barack and Michelle met and fell in love”. While it may be avoiding talking about the issues, I really don’t think Newt has an answer to it.

    (Yes, I know that there is a Lawyer’s office involved in the how Barack and Michelle met. It is *still* less cold prickly)

  • APA Guy

    And no, I don’t believe it will be an issue in 2012 either. The country is in crisis and could care less about someone’s personal life 20 years ago.

  • eddiethegeek

    I would love Marco Rubio, but he won’t run. Mike actually might be persuadable. MIKE PENCE!

  • Change Jar Conservative

    If things were pretty spread out then we might get an outsider like Daniels or Ryan

    If someone is 80% of the way to the nomination then all bets are off.

    If Paul gets his 10% and Mitt gets his 20% and Perry and Newt split the other 70% then we could get sideways pretty quickly.

    Toss in a few percentage points for Huntsman out of NH and a few percentage points out of Bachmann and you might be surprised.

    If no one is over 40% then you could get a compromise candidate with Newt getting a VP slot and maybe Paul Ryan being on the top of the ticket.

  • rickperryreport

    They were the WWII generation. Regardless of politics, I feel this to be true. The remaining of that generation are resting in nursing homes, too tired to do anything about it.

    Now, today’s “center right” is probably me. And I was never a Democrat. I’m a Reagan baby!

  • proud2btexasmom

    Could you explain the “name delegates” issue? How does this help/hurt the candidate?

  • pj2012

    thanks… ;-)

  • APA Guy

    VERY well done!

  • Scope

    n/t

  • Scope

    and insert Reagan’s divorce.

  • APA Guy

    …as they eat their next can of pork and beans after being promised steak by Obama in 2008.

    I really think Newt’s personal life will be somewhere around 87th most important in the list of issues the American voter cares about.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Is that the latest CNN poll took Herman Cain voters and used their second choice instead of Cain and most went to Gingrich. So those people would, at best, have Romney as their third choice, but in fact most of those people seemingly do not.

    And if we’re on to Romney as people’s third pick, that’s pretty damning in and of itself.

  • snowshooze

    I still see Perry as the guy with all the correct answers.
    I see the bluster, but when you check the math…
    It doesn’t matter who can deliver a speech. Or who dresses best.

  • pj2012

    Your so young… lol… my 2 son’s were born in the 80′s.

    My dad was a Reagan Dem (loved him dearly) and has since past away… 1993, at age 73 WWII Vet. served under “Ike” Eisenhower in Europe. I’m an “Ike” era (1955) baby Independent/Conservative.

  • Wiseman

    If Newt is the nominee then the Tea Party has struck again! Taking away an almost certain victory for the Republican party and giving it away because of an unelectable nominee. Newt will go down hard to Obama, mostly because the female voting block will run away from Newt. All the polls still show that Romney has the best chance in the general election. To think otherwise is nonsense! Sorry Eric but you are way wrong on Romney. We got six more years of Harry Reid, and with Newt you will get four more years of Obama! Wake up radicals!

  • red_oakster

    As people declined to run and Pawlenty disappeared, virtually the entire establishment migrated to Romney.

    What’s remarkable is how little influence they’ve been able to exert. The last time a Republican candidate for the nomination had this much establishment report was probably Nixon in 1968. And Romney can’t seem to make progress.

  • romansdaughter

    That is exactly why I will not vote for Newt in the primaries. Thanks RickPerryReport…so true!

  • cbartlett

    VERY disappointing to have two states with so few electoral votes making the decidion for the entire country. There is no way our founding fathers saw this coming when this process was designed.

  • snowshooze

    And each Delegate cast a ballot for anyone they wish even outside the current Candidates?
    That sounds like a wild ride. And fairly complicated… are we talking Conscripts too?
    Look Jindall… we have a bit of a surprise for you..?

  • pj2012

    Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday linked his own long marriage to his faith in God and said that the American people will “work their way through” issues of marital infidelity in the presidential race.

    “I didn’t make an oath just to my wife,” he said when asked about GOP frontrunner Newt Gingrich’s three marriages. “I made an oath to God when I married my wife. I think it’s an important issue. But the American people will figure out these issues and work their way through them.”

    Perry, who is polling a distant third in the state, said he would allow his rivals to duke out their differences on their own.

    “I’ll let those two get in the ring and go at it,” he said of Gingrich and Mitt Romney. “I’ll be out campaigning and shaking hands and asking people to support me.”

    Nicely done.

  • irishgirl

    Agree with everything you stated. Perry all the way.

  • pj2012

    Andrew Klavan… sorta… but without the energy and high spirited background music.

  • romansdaughter

    cause I sure care. I don’t trust Newt as far as I could throw him, which wouldn’t be very far. The guy has an ego that is going to be his downfall.

  • APA Guy

    But I’ll revise…

    Very few care…and the poll surge by Newt seems to reinforce that point. How’s that?

  • pj2012

    Good ad… Perry’s Ad Teams is very busy…

  • valrobex

    A brokered candidate is one who is selected by the convention delegates usually based upon deals and political arrangements, favors, etc. It basically is: “I’m willing to sell my delegate vote…Who’s the highest bidder?

    The primary format was an attempt to minimize the back room deals, graft, and corruption that was endemic to the original system where delegates were selected by state party bosses or voted upon (depending on state) who then attended the convention to select the party?s nominee in the general election.

    In the Primary format, the delegates are bound in how they must initially vote, based upon various state laws and state party regulations. If no clear candidate is nominated after a given number of ballots, then the delegates are free to ?broker? their votes for any given candidate, even one not in the primary.

  • cbartlett

    “GOP Establishment” are generally invested in keeping the big Washington status quo to protect their own job(s). Instituting some form of federal term limits is the only way to ever change the way things are run there – hence the reason they fight anything remotely resembling term limits.

  • ericksontales

    EE – Look… I totally respect your intellect you are a smart guy. However, this is a perfect example of how you are trying to manipulate the views of others. Saying that 80% of Republican voters want nothing to do with Romney is factually inaccurate. It’s a far cry from your last post of toning down your remarks to “most went to Gingrich”.

    Some of these voters did indeed go to Romney in the CNN poll. By your own admission you are misrepresenting the facts. Secondly if Romney is their 3rd choice that is a far cry from wanting nothing to do with him. Now maybe you are making a generalization to emphasize a point. I’d give you that credit ‘if” you hadn’t spent the last several months bad mouthing Romney.

    Romney is not the perfect candidate but he will soon be the Republican nominee and someone that you will need to support. If you choose not to support him then it proves that you really don’t care if Obama stays in office. If you really care about the republican party then you will give Romney some credit and step up and be an active voice of support. I realize that Romney doesn’t represent the Republican party of your dreams but he is much closer to your dream than Obama.

    Your comments and anti-Romney bias make people wonder if this is more personal with Romney and less about politics.

  • valrobex

    There is only one nominee.

    If the convention goes to a brokered format, who ever wins the convention vote is the one and only party nominee for the Presidency.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    “Newt hit buzz saw in meeting with Right leaders”
    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/newt-hit-buzz-saw-meeting-right-leaders/244926

    A flattering account of a meeting earlier this week in which former House Speaker Newt Gingrich met with a group of 63 conservative leaders is prompting angry reactions among at least some of the attendees.

    The account appears today on Richard Viguerie’s Conservative HQ web site and is headlined with a claim that Gingrich received a “standing ovation” at the end of the gathering.

    “That wasn’t a standing ovation, we were all getting up to leave,” said an attendee who requested anonymity. “It was a very skeptical audience, there were at least three very tense exchanges. It was anything but an endorsement meeting.” . . . .

    The attendees said things became particularly heated when Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, challenged Gingrich on climate change and other environmental issues, calling him “an unapologetic defender of big-government conservativism.”

    Gingrich pointed out that he “was in Congress when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire,” and thus supports strong government programs to protect the environment.

    Ebell confirmed in an email the contentious nature of his exchange with Gingrich during the meeting, saying it was “the longest back and forth” of the meeting.

    Ebell said that during his exchange he argued that Gingrich’s 2007 book, A Contract With Earth,” illustrates what he sees as the main problem with the former House Speaker because it was “goofy, fuzzy, slightly dim, low on content, lots of bold new vision blather, and talk of transcending the political debate through technological fantasy.”

    Read the article. Very insightful, ESPECIALLY since it may prove that the LSM is skewing the Newt surge. Ken Cuccinelli was there as well and had a confrontation with Newt. The original LSM story described the interaction between Newt and Cuccinelli as amiable. The people who were actually at the meeting say different:

    “Cuccinelli had five followup questions and it was like a prosecutor cross-examining a defendant. Newt kept trying to change the subject, but Cuccinelli wouldn’t back down.”

  • pj2012

    Rand Paul on Hannity (radio) told Hannity he is publishing an anti-Newt article in the Iowa paper tomorrow. He is saying that Newt is anti-tea party.

  • valrobex

    that they left Newt and joined Perry.

    Newt’s campaign was floundering even before they went to Perry. After they left, Newt’s campaign has taken off.

    Perry’s campaign was flying high and has nose dived since he hired them from Newt.

    I wonder if there is a connection?….

  • romansdaughter

    in motivating us. I agree with you and let me tell you that I think a lot of people are going to be surprised. From what I read Rick Perry is always underestimated. Thanks for your post!

  • notpropagandized

    Huntsman has been ahead of Romney on my daily ranking list for over 2 months. Today:
    Perry
    NoneOfTheAbove
    Gingrich
    Huntsman
    Romney
    Bachmann
    Santorum
    Paul
    Others

  • WY_Cowboy

    I am really wondering how all of the different rules play out at the convention. How long are delegates bound and which candidate would benefit the most from a brokered convention? It is complicated and someone who gets paid to blog might step up on this because all of the angles are mind boggling.

  • pj2012

    that nasty…

    ?That wasn?t a standing ovation, we were all getting up to leave,? It was anything but an endorsement meeting.? . . . .

    Cuccinelli hit him pretty good on Huck’s RPF as well… he’s NOT a fan of Newt at all.

  • ripusa32110

    Good ad. Unfortunately, it seems there is a spirit of delusion over those voters supporting Newt Gingrich. They deny the truth. Newt Gingrich is a radical futurist. I am firmly convinced Newt Gingrich’s life philosophy is the third wave, the Constitution is obsolete model of Alvin and Heidi Toffler. Read Creating a New Civilization, the foreward is by NEWT GINGRICH, and you’ll know the real Newt Gingrich. God have mercy and save us from madmen like Obama and Gingrich.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    It summed it up fast and Perry was downright cool and heroic-looking. OK, maybe I’m just biased (I think he looks cool all the time anyway), but I think he hit it out of the ballpark with this one. He’s coming out with so many good ones lately, I can’t decide which is my favorite.

    I’m still hoping for another trailer-like ad, though, similar to his very first one. Baby Sis loves that one and hums the background music.

  • pj2012

    Not sure what you’re talking about here, please explain.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Tweet the link, share it with people on Facebook, print it out for people you know–whatever it takes to get the info out to voters. This article strengthened my fear that the media is lying about Newt’s surge, the polls are skewed, and people, not just Ken Cuccinelli, are fighting back.

    We can’t let the media fool people blind like they did in 2008. We can’t afford it this time.

  • cbartlett

    I really, really want him to get this nomination BUT it is going to be a uphill fight all the way. He has almost all of the media, even FOX, and most of the establishment GOP against him. The Bush people (in Texas, at least) don’t like him because of the battle he fought against Hutchison for Governor last time. And the Bush group – which includes Karl Rove and others – has a lot of money and influence throughout the country that I suspect is going someplace else – probably Romney? We, the people, are going to have to fight much, much harder than ever before to overcome these obstacles. Perry MUST quit giving the media sound bytes that make him look like he can’t handle Obama. The media is selling controversy and will only promote the things that generate viewers. I have watched Perry in Texas for years and, despite the fact that he has performed poorly in these circus-like debates, he will do just fine in a one-on-one with Obama. The rest of the country just doesn’t know him yet because we are getting no help to get the message out. Keep on with the fight!

  • pj2012

    people think he’s changed, but I don’t believe you can change your basic nature… I don’t trust Newt at all.

  • pj2012

    you had me laughing there… he did look pretty good… I like that turn around part at the end… so cool. lol…

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Not afraid of people fighting back against Newt! (Like a good Perry supporter, there’s my “oops” moment for the day.) Read:

    “This article strengthened my fear that the media is lying about Newt surge, the polls are skewed–but on the other hand, people (not just Ken Cuccinelli) are fighting back!”

  • pj2012

    ; – )

  • irishgirl

    Cuccinelli, the more I like him. Just one more lesson on how the media is going to screw with us the entire election.

  • valrobex

    speak for yourself. I’m “people” and I don’t wonder if EE’s anti-Romney bias is personal or not.

    I don’t care for Romney much either, though I’ll vote for him if he is the nominee.

    Appreciate what EE brings to the table. He get’s you fired up, don’t he? I’d say that’s a good thing.

  • wacowboy

    and were in 06 also, I believe. Newt let them go to Perry when he decided to run.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    [Samuel Johnson]
    http://thinkexist.com/quotation/nothing-focuses-the-mind-like-a-hanging/761668.html

    Attention: Iowans who are Evangelicals and/or involved with the TEA [Taxed Enough Already] Party Movement

    Re: GOP-POTUS Caucus

    You all must unify around Perry.

    We love having Bachmann/Santorum around, but they are overshadowed by the capacity of Rick to convey a deliverable, [jobs/jobs/jobs].

    If you don’t, and Rick doesn’t come-in at least 3rd [recognizing the presence of Perry], then the 1-2 punch [Mitt & The Newt] could crowd-out the True Conservatives and, in the process, the Constitution will become eclipsed by RINO’s.

    Only Perry has the resources to sustain dissemination of the message you all share; the other voices have served a quality-purpose but–recognizing how urgent it is to educate the electorate with clarify and focus–it is mandatory that coalescence occur ASAP.

    It’s crunch-time.

  • pttx333

    But our little Change is quite a superstar, and a sweetie to boot!

    Yes, our Perry has always been underestimated and shrugged off by the libs, statists, elitists and those who are protecting their little fiefdoms and feather-bedded nests in which they reside! However, I do believe, as I will always, that he is going to show them all who has the creds in the final analysis. There are few ever born who seem to have a special quality that allows them to arise from ashes – regardless. Woe be to those who sell him short!

    Thanks for your post, hon!!

  • bzip

    That will go over real well. I have to wonder how all those Tea Party folks will react to this since most Tea Party people really admire Rand Paul (even if they don’t like his father Ron). Though I realize Rand Paul is his son and it isn’t too surprising he would come out for hios father but to hit Newt ought to be good.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    In the picture on the dustcover of “Fed Up!” he wears it, so I’m pretty familiar with that jacket, it’s very MANLY looking. Perry is always manly-looking anyway, compared to . . . well, I won’t say because that wouldn’t be charitable ;)

  • bzip

    I really do believe strong that Perry is the next in line should Newt fall for what ever reason. Hopefully it is because voters see Perry as the better and Newt as the more establishment type.

    This is why we should never give up in addition to not giving up on our principles. It is sad when so many say Perry has so little chance – that is being destructive to the one person that should win and enables the support of the candidates that shouldn’t be winning.

    Because you are giving the impression there is no hope and that simply isn’t true.

  • bzip

    Wonderful ad, good hit on both Mitt and Newt. Oh how I hope people will wake up and see the light and difference between in true conservatives Perry and the others

    Thanks so much for alerting us. I missed it.

  • turkeyotooley

    Let’s think about who the Establishment is trying to convince us is the most electable candidate: Mitt Romney.

    Just look at Romney’s political career to see how ridiculous the “electability” argument is. He was a one-term governor of a blue state that stepped down because he knew he was going to take a beating from Deval Patrick. Mitt got clobbered by Ted Kennedy when he ran for the Senate. He was clobbered by John McCain in 2008. He has been positioning himself for this run for years now and conservative voters want nothing to do with him. They are now turning in droves to Newt Gingrich because they can’t stomach Romney.

    Do Romney’s acolytes really think that three-quarters of conservative voters are just going to finally throw up their hands and blindly support Romney at the end of the primary season? It’s crazy. There will be some Republican voters who will “hold their nose” for Romney, but there will be legions of conservative voters who will turn away.

    “Electability,” as used in this primary season particularly, plays upon citizens’ fear. Romney and his minions have to convince a significant portion of the conservative voting class that: 1) Obama will destroy the county in the next four years if he isn’t stopped, 2) he needs to be removed at ALL costs, 3) the only way to stop Obama is to capture the “middle” or persuade the independent voter, and 4) Romney has the temperament and “flexibility” to bring the independents into the fold.

    This is a pathetic argument, but it is trotted out routinely by the Establishment because fear is a great motivator. Because it is relatively easy to whip up panic among a frightened population, “electability” becomes a very useful rhetorical tool to manipulate the sheeple into making choices that the Establishment approve of.

    Let’s dismantle this sucker piece by piece:

    1. Obama will destroy the country, if not stopped — There is some truth to this, but only some. Keep in mind that Obama’s policies are in many ways an extension of Bush’s governance. It is true that Obama has accelerated the damage of the Bush years, but Obama is not the only enemy or even the most lethal. The Establishment (Republican / Democrat) are the enemy. The Establishment is entrenched power. Don’t be fooled by rhetoric (“conservative” language v. “liberal” language); it’s all being used to accomplish the Hegelian dialectic to move the entire population to statism. Focusing on Obama exclusively prevents us from seeing the greater danger creeping behind us.

    2. Obama must be removed at ALL costs — All costs? Really? Think of the control that the Establishment has if it can convince you that you have to remove a leader at ALL costs. A candidate as despicable as Mitt Romney becomes a lot more palatable to the electorate, if they are convinced he is the only hope against the Great Boogeyman, Barak Obama. But what if Romney would be far worse? What if he would continue Obama’s policies, but under a “conservative” banner? What would that do to widespread acceptance of conservatism as an ideology? Too far-fetched . . . don’t kid yourself. What is an effective way for the power-hungry statists to permanently solidify a massive increase of the state in the form of Obamacare? Why, just run as Obama’s opponent the man who laid the foundation in Romneycare. Now the Establishment statists have effectively hedged their bets helped in part by believing the lie that no cost is too steep to remove Obama.

    3. The elusive independent voter — Here is a nice chicken / egg – type paradox. As a politician, do you dilute your ideology to make it more palatable for undecided (independent) voters, or do you maintain a strong ideology in the hopes that strength of conviction will convince the undecided voter? There are scores of political consultants and pundits (*ahem, Michael Medved) that foolishly believe conservative ideology should be toned down “so as not to offend” and be thus more inviting to the squishy middle. As has been pointed out in numerous places like here on Redstate and by pundits like Thomas Sowell, this type of argument profoundly misunderstands the nature of the independent voter. Many independents are not squishy at all. Many are conservative and have little to no faith in the two-party system. Many independents will hitch their wagon to a leader who leads with conviction. This type of political “counsel” has neutered our political leaders. But it seems that we can still be cowed by fear into accepting it.

    4. Romney has the “flexibility” to capture the independent voter — He really doesn’t. He is absolutely one of the worst choices that Republicans can make. Romneycare. 1%-er. TARP. Flip-flopper extraordinaire. Neocon ties. Thin-skinned. Technocrat. If he is selected, scores of conservatives will abandon him. He is one of the handful of candidates that could trigger a third-party candidate to emerge. Why? Think about how three-quarters of the conservative electorate will feel betrayed and bullied by the pundit class to accept Romney. Do you think these people are going to go to bat for Romney? Make phone calls? Persuade family members? Knock on doors? Donate money? Heck no. Some will, but many won’t.

    Yep, “electability” is a fraud perpetrated every four years by those who want to hold onto their power. It is used to protect candidates that will do as little as possible to disrupt the status quo in Washington D.C.

  • duramater

    …The Pantywaste President!
    There. I said it.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Just trying to do my best. Like circlegranch said this morning, we’re all little foot soldiers. Did y’all see his new “Repeal” ad? Perry is SO cool. You’ll like it a ton. He’s sharp and exceptionally heroic-looking :D :D

  • valrobex

    ?ethics? charge (84 in total) was dropped and the one that he was fined for was for reporting to the investigating committee that a course he taught was tax exempt which they concluded was for political purposes and that he had misrepresented his report to the committee.

    No law was broken, and the IRS cleared Gingrich of any tax violation. In other words, the committee was wrong in recommending censure.

    My reading of this “ethics” crap has led me to believe it was all politically motivated and of no substance.

  • easyb

    you have fellow conservatives nearby to commiserate with…

    Me? Not so much. Precious few around these days in CA

  • ericksontales

    valrobex – I appreciate EE voice as a citizen and respect it as a citizen. As a journalist he’s suppose to report the facts even if he has a bias. The problem is that Erick leads with his own personal agenda and then finds facts to support it. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

    He’s no doubt an intelligent and successful man. However, he is creating a ceiling on his own success by telegraphing his bias in his journalism. Now, I personally don’t care about his success. I do care about my country and about my party. I do care about winning the 2012 election. I’d like to see Erick care just as much and stop his attacks at Romney. If he isn’t going to be an act voice for Romney the least he could do is tone down his attacks on the one candidate that can actually beat Obama and start to turn things back around.

    Maybe Romney isn’t a Ronald Reagan or an Abraham Lincoln but he is a good first step at paving the way for future Republicans that can replace him in 2020 after Romney finishes his second term. Presumptuous of me? Yes, but I believe that Romney is the right guy for our times to get the country back on the right path. Perhaps in 8 years guys like Rubio will be ready to replace him in the white house.

  • pttx333

    please take it elsewhere! Furthermore, you might learn how to spell.

    There is no place on RS for this type of bilge. Got it?

  • bzip

    Just a quick follow up. I found lots of references in the media about Perry’s ad:

    Perry ad ties Gingrich and Romney to Obama health law
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/perry-ad-ties-gingrich-and-romney-to-obama-health-law/

    Rick Perry Swings at Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney for Individual Mandate
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/perry-swings-at-gingrich-and-romney-for-individual-mandate/

    Perry: I?m an outsider who will repeal ObamaCare
    http://www.therightscoop.com/perry-im-an-outsider-who-will-repeal-obamacare/

  • snowshooze

    But so far as my opinion of such a thing…
    YIKES!!!

  • duramater

    for another Perry supporter? Greetings everyone. This is my maiden posting here at RedState. I’ve been lurking here for weeks with greater and greater frequency primarily because I have seen several excellent & informative postings re Gov. Perry.

    He captured my attention a year or two ago with his bold and articulate stance on the 10th amendment. I was one of the many hopeful citizens watching and praying he would enter this Presidential race. He remains my preeminent favorite despite polling because his record (compared to other candidates) shows his principles are in best alignment with my own.

    Since his campaign began, the factors which have garnered the most negative attention: instate tuition, Guardicil and….(can’t remember the third, no joke, I really can’t at the moment) have worked to be positive revelations; because you see, in performing my duty of due diligence, I was interested enough to research more fully the background and details surrounding each issue for myself. Reading comments here from bzip and others has only reaffirmed my determination that Gov Perry is truly the best of the best for our country. I am now at peace and can even lay my deep concerns re immigration policy and border control to rest.

    I live by the adage, “By their fruits ye shall know them”. Gov. Perry’s tenure over the past 10 years seems to me to have borne much good fruit and I recognize the sincerity of his efforts even when not all his plans came to fruition.

    I especially want to thank bzip and all the other Perry supporters here who have enlightened me to additional strengths of RP that I would have surely overlooked otherwise. Please keep up the good fight. ….lets smother the boards and blogs with straight facts re Perry’s strengths.

    Thank you to Redstate, too for allowing me to join in.
    BTW, I have been a registered Indy all my long voting life. The popular notion that Indys lean liberal, I just do not understand. Surely there are many many more like me out there.

  • Common_Cents

    Because the whacko left said he stole his 2nd term. He’d still have one term in which to be elected.

  • reggie182

    I think it’s rather refreshing and energizing to hear someone with Newt’s skills of articulation, depth of policy knowledge, and understanding of history speak. It’s a lot more enjoyable than the malapropisms and brain freezes the GOP has been subjected to for years from their nominees.

  • turkeyotooley

    Barak Obama is bad news for this county. No doubt about it. But if the political class can get you and others to think he is the boogeyman who must be removed at all costs, you are forfeiting a tremendous amount of your power as a citizen.

    Barak Obama is A problem, not THE problem. We have numerous RINO politicians walking arm-in-arm with socialists who are marching this country to oblivion. The Establishment is happy to paint Obama as the Boogeyman for you to submit to a worse oppressor. We are in this mess because a host of political leaders need to be booted out of office.

    Our unprincipled, pragmatic ways has done nothing but yield unprincipled, pragmatic politicians.

    The cognitive dissonance toward a serial philanderer and statist like Gingrich is absolutely shocking. He’s better than Romney, but not by much. And being better than Romney is not really much of an accomplishment.

    Appeal for divine guidance may be the only way we can make a wise choice, because it seems our ability to know what is right and good is being successfully subverted.

  • westcoastpatriette

    And I hope there are many more like you lurking around convinced that Perry is the real deal.

    Like you, it took me a while to get over the instate tuition issue and accept that Perry is someone that I can trust to deal with it, but the more I researched him the better I felt about him.

    To keep peace and foster cohesion, please let pttx know you were not referring to Perry in your Pantywaste comment above. You must have been referring to Obama, right?

  • Whacker77

    I’ve got a few thoughts on some of the dominant themes in this thread. First, Rick Perry supporters remind me of the Fred! supporters in 2008. I should know, I was one of them. Despite every piece of evidence that said Fred! wouldn’t win, we kept saying he would win. That’s what is taking place with Perry supporters right now.

    Second, a brokered convention would be a fabulous TV event for all Americans. The coverage and viewership would be out of this world. Still, unless a big name announced heading into the conevtion and had a ready made staff prepared, I think it would probably lead to a defeat. Conventions used to take place in early July. Now, they happen in the first week of September.

    As for None of the Above, that’s where I am right now. I had to choose, I would go with Huntsman. He’s not perfect and I’m not trying to make the case he is. I just feel he is the least compromised candidate. Still, I don’t care for any of these jokers and I hope a dark horse jumps in soon and makes the choice easy for us.

  • duramater

    I respectfully suggest that you re-read my post. I believe your have misinterpreted same. I am a staunch Perry supporter and my words were not in reference to Gov. Perry.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

  • tyman

    Pttx, so glad you’re back!

    I think Duramater said what LAPatrette didn’t want to say about the Marxist in chief.

    I like that…The Pantywaste President.

    I know the left will make a job for Obama once he’s voted out of office, but if he had to, what does anybody think he could really do for a living?

  • turkeyotooley

    Republican Establishment = Entrenched Power + Conservative Rhetoric

    Liberal Establishment = Entrenched Power + Liberal Rhetoric

    The true Establishment is the moneyed and powerful interests that are behind-the-scenes. Many politicians are mere puppets. The Establishment is the pyramidic structure of authoritarian rule. The most sophisticated forms of authoritarianism are those which the population willingly accepts or those forms of oppression with which the population is completely unaware of.

  • texasroots

    I have been reading your tweets, my go to after all the Perry’s blogs. I try to only read the positive things about Perry. I do not let discouragement nor fear (fear is not trusting God) enter into my spirit. On Tuesday, 12/6/11, I participated online live in The Response in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. It was from 7-9:30 pm. very uplifting music and prayer. And, of course, this gave me an opportunity to lift Perry up in prayer. It is patterned after the Response Perry requested in Houston in August. There is one coming up in South Carolina.

  • pttx333

    been to another site today, unfortunately, where they were saying the most vile things about Perry – things that would make you sick to your stomach. I thought you were one of those who had come here to do the same. My sincerest apologies!

    Thank you for correcting me, and welcome to RS! What a blessed relief this is!

  • tyman

    Perry’s been my pick, too. And I prayed for his decision…yes or no…before he entered.

    Somebody else made a point today that I made yesterday: Romney’s fall started when Perry knocked him off his game during the debate, and he’s been gathering speed like a snowball going downhill.

    Some may not like Rick Perry, but I find it odd that Cain didn’t rise to meteoric heights until Rick Perry “collapsed”. Same with Newt.

    I think Perry is going to surprise a lot of people when it’s time to vote.

  • pttx333

    If that statement is directed at b.o. – GREAT! I’ve always said that I believe wholeheartedly that he has lace sewn on his drawers. I did apologize to duramater, though – poor thing. I’m sorry I jumped all over him/her. Had been over to one of the other sites today trying to do a little Perry work and read the most vile things that were said about my guy – just made me sick to my stomach and I had to get out of there!

    Get a job? Who? b.o.? He hasn’t lifted a finger to do any work in his entire life! And I would include school work in that statement – for all we know he paid someone to sit in his classes and take tests for him. He is not a genius – that is for sure. Besides, that dude has enough stashed away in foreign accounts to last for many, many generations – that is, if Mitchell Antoinette doesn’t spend it all in the first year they’re gone. In that case, GOOD – let them go live in a mud hut somewhere for all I care!

  • bzip

    You are more then welcome and there is lots of room for more Perry supporters. Thank you, thanks for joining the force that will propel Rick Perry to the white house.

    I would like to thank everyone for putting in so much – to keep the optimism and path open for Rick Perry.

    It is with our best interest as a individuals and as a whole for our country to elect the most consistent conservative with the experience to get our country back on track again.

  • turkeyotooley

    The Romney Koolaid? Nah, he’s gonna get beat in the primaries like a rented mule.

    The Newt Koolaid? Ah, yes — the “cult of the week.” It is unreal how easily people can be snake charmed by a clever speaker. Newt has some conservative bona fides, but he has glaring flaws and poor organization. Fear motivates a lot of people to do crazy things. Nah, I think I’ll pass on the Newt-aid.

    Now if you have some Perry-aid or Paul-aid, I could be interested. My throat is a little parched.

  • bzip

    This is what I can’t figure out. You do realize Huntsman is pooling the worse out of the entire pack, he has no money he has no path.

    Yet it appears you are willing to walk away from Perry (or other candidates) that are more viable, have a great path to victory.

    I don’t want to slam you but I understand the logic behind supporting Hunstman. Hunstman surely has had his gaffes and I am sure if he got in the top tier he would most likely prove to be even far more flawed, if I had to guess.

  • ripusa32110

    Gingrich’s campaign staff left in part because Callista wouldn’t let Newt stay overnight in Iowa. Hey, I just heard that on either CNN or MSNBC. They also said Callista reads every e-mail and is up to her eyeballs in the campaign. Maybe old Callista doesn’t trust Newt any farther than she can throw him. That makes two of us. I don’t trust Newt either.

  • acat

    mean anything to you?

    Mew

  • pttx333

    You are going to get an education like you’ve never had before, just like I have done these past few months. There are wonderful folks here to inform you, to answer questions and who post wonderful articles/videos for us to devour.

    Welcome!

  • romansdaughter

    The turn around part was great! He looks good for an older man. Of course I am like LouPat a bit biased.

  • texasroots

    Greatly appreciated. Keep it up.

  • carolynr

    This is a very dangerous bill. It will kill America. It is not healthcare…I won’t go on and on…you’ve heard it all from me. However, Newt never says anything about Obamacare and the press never asks him. I heard him say that he wanted a bond posted….so what is so different than the mandate?

    I’m Perry all the way….but this really bothers me. I think he (Gingrich) will not only allow Obamacare (if it is not knocked out in the courts) but that he will “make our electricity/energy bills skyrocket. I’m really getting frightened about this now. Why hasn’t anyone asked him?

  • duramater

    I caught sight of pttx’s comment after my 5:45 post and did respond. You are correct. I was indeed referring to Mr. Obama. I believe it was a London journalist who first coined that term for Obama a couple of years ago and in my mind it has always seemed so apt. Seemed to me that that was who lousianapat was referencing in the post to which I was responding.

    I commend pttx re spell check notice (waste vs waist). Must have been a subconsciously generated pun. Either way, I think the label fits.

    I am aware that some in the RNC have admonished,”Hands off Obama” in 2012 campaign. Please advise if members here are to subscribe to this edict. That has not been my impressions of this group previously. Within limits of constraints in polite society, I am not inclined to hold back on my criticisms of Mr. Obama. However, do not wish to offend established members.

    Again, to all the Perry supporters here at Redstate, thanks for the excellent background info, vids and solid support for the man I think is our best hope for repair of our country. Do keep up the good fight.
    Adieu

  • c16rocksteady

    Why are no reasons given that Santorum wont be the nominee?

  • romansdaughter

    What do you mean by least compromised?? I don’t get that at all. Could you explain?

  • circlegranch

    than most care to admit. As we all come together here, most of us daily, we lift each other up, we lift Rick Perry up and we try our best to fight back the negatives, the attacks, the personal smears.

    To those** that believe Rick Perry’s polling numbers right now, ask yourself this simple question: If he’s such a bad candidate, if nobody in Texas likes him, if, if, if…..how did the man amass $15 million dollars in a matter of a few weeks? How did www.makeamericagreatagain.com gather upwards of $55 million primarily to benefit Rick Perry?

    **The naysayers here and especially in the media seem to forget that there’s been an enormous amount of monetary support for this one man in a very short period of time. Yes, maybe everybody’s got a big crush on Newt right now, but how much money does he have? He doesn’t even have a staff to speak of in Iowa so who is the amateur and joke? I direct this question squarely at Hannity and his ilk. To show Hannity’s bias and objective to always pump up his buddies and to heck with everybody else, he’s having Herman Cain on his show tonight. Why? Herman Cain is last week’s news. We have a presidency to win. Herman had an unfortunate experience in the arena. Move on.

    These donations to Perry came in $5 and $10 dollar increments, or at least a big share of it. At the time the tally was reported, Perry and Romney had essentially the same money on hand. Romney had been fundraising for himself for basically 5 years. Perry’s effort amounted to about 5 weeks. So, who is the most electable? Who touches the hearts of the average American? Who is the people’s choice amongst grassroots voters?

    In politics they say, “follow the money”. If that be true, follow Perry’s money and then take a serious look at your existing opinion and whether or not you need to revise. In Romney’s case, follow the money back to his PAC, Free and Strong America and then go to www.maplight.org and using Romney’s PAC to search Congressional members and U.S. Senators, you’ll find that Mr. Romney has been sowing seeds for his nomination for some time. As supporters such as Lisa Murkowski and Jason Chavez endorse Romney, do a little homework and see if perhaps their last campaign wasn’t assisted by Free and Strong America. Follow the money on Newt? Well, that’s not too hard; just watch the evening news. There’s no big secrets there.

    In closing for this evening, I’ll leave you with another little homework assignment which will provoke thought and I think you’ll draw some very interesting comparisons. Rich Lowry of NRO, wrote an article over the weekend, “America Should Embrace Tebow’s Total Lack of Possible Scandal”. I’m sure you can find it at www.nationalreview.com If you found some very compelling similarities to what is happening now to Tim Tebow and Rick Perry, post here tomorrow. Either way, Lowry acknowledges the fine character and ability to reject criticism with a smile that is Tim Tebow.

  • acat

    He’s running as a balanced (three-legged) conservative, but his record and his speeches in the Senate emphasized only the social leg .. and where’s the executive experience?

    This cat continues to suggest that the best approach for Santorum would be to take his war chest and go get his Senate seat back. This could be a good year for the GOP in Pennsylvania … he’s not getting traction nationwide.

    Mew

  • pttx333

    should be “off limits” to negative posts. For heaven’s sake, he is the one we are trying to oust … a pathetic, sniveling, anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semite of the first order that should be gone already!

    Please note my sincerest apologies upthread for totally misreading your earlier comment!

  • texasroots

    I have been believing that people will see for themselves the sincerity Perry has in all his efforts. For being on the national scene campaigning just a few months is remarkable in what he has accomplished. Thanks for being a Rick Perry supporter.

  • bzip

    Thank you so much, texasroots. We all work very hard and I thank everyone for trying so hard to keep the path going for Perry.

    Again as much as I dislike Ron Paul I think its important that people aware of his direction. This ought to be interesting, Paul knows Newt from the old days:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/08/paul-i-have-to-expose-gingrich/

    2 hours ago
    Paul: ‘I have to expose’ Gingrich
    Posted by
    By CNN’s Ashley Killough and Shannon Travis

    (CNN) – Pressed about his aggressive campaign against Newt Gingrich, Texas Rep. Ron Paul said he feels responsible to show a different side of the former House speaker to the American public.

    “I have to expose him for what he’s been doing over the years. That’s all we’re doing. Trying to present the facts,” Paul said to reporters at a town hall event in Des Moines, Iowa.

    …..

  • pj2012

    the more the merrier ;-)

  • pttx333

    I offer my feminine opinion:

    What I see in Santorum is a whiny, snarky, smug, wanna-be macho man who falls far short of his goal in trying to be “one of the guys.” That is the unlikeability factor that I see. Nor do I see that he has that much going for him in experience or any other creds. But that is just me – certainly not Presidential material for me.

  • westcoastpatriette

    We are a pretty tolerant bunch with respect to expressing our opinions about the current state of affairs and we are not shy about ventilating our disgust for Obama.

    If you haven’t done so already, it would help you feel more grounded in RS culture if you take the time to read the posting rules.

    Again, good to have you and hope you find this site as hospitable as I have. When I first came here I was so relieved. Felt like I finally found my political home.

  • bzip

    Can you be sure of that, that is the question.

    Can you be sure that after all the investigating that took place that there isn’t something else that maybe couldn’t be proved but non the less damaging?

    Can you be sure that planting the seed of serious doubts in the minds of voters won’t have a serious negative impact in the general?

    Take that and couple it to his cheating on his wives and you got yourself one damaged candidate painted by the dem’s in the general

    That doesn’t even include all the other nonsense, his support for the mandate, global warming support, etc.

  • c16rocksteady

    Until the conservative movement realizes that debt,deficit and big government are social and moral issues, then we deserve to loose every election from now until the end of time.

    As far as only the social leg of the stool, who else has been as vocal about the problem that we are going to have very soon with Iran? If i remember right Santorum fought this fight 6 or 7 years ago and was proven right.

  • kowalski

    “duramater” is one of the more inventive usernames I’ve seen on RS recently.

    Pretty soon we’ll have “piamater” and “arachnoidmater” maybe…

    The name “dura mater” is derived from the Latin “hard mother” or “tough mother”,[1] (translation of Arabic umm al-dimagh as-safiqa[2]) and is also referred to by the term “pachymeninx” (plural “pachymeninges”).[3] The dura has been described as “tough and inflexible” and “leather-like”.[3]

    I have nothing to say about the debate in this thread, but I lurrrrved the username – the etymology was so clear and yet so obscure! :)

  • kowalski

    To some newfangled indestructible metric system measuring device “The Durameter” soon to be sold by Vince Shlomi.

    We know so much in life is hard to measure, that’s why we’ve got the Durameter. Look at it – you can wind this thing up and whap the dog with it, heat it up in the microwave, run over it with your car, and it still bounces back and reads accurately. Life is tough enough, at least make sure your measuring sticks read right. It sells itself.”

    ;)

  • ghostship

    So really the person who should be praying for a brokered convention is Mitt Romney.

  • lineholder

    nor in the comments of anyone else whose primary focus is preserving this nation future’s against the current onslaught of the left.

    Just because there are things about Gingrich’s past that I don’t necessarily like or agree with doesn’t mean that I’m going to look a gift horse in the mouth if the man finds a way to connect with voters to the extent that it maximizes our potential of beating Obama.

    Voting on the basis of principle and principle alone in the context of the crisis that our nation is currently facing, particularly if it means casting my vote for a candidate who hasn’t managed to connect with voters in a way that would yield victory over Obama in 2012…sorry, IMO, that would be remarkably self-centered and self-indulgent on my part, not to mention ill-advised and lacking in prudence, to do so.

  • 1bunny

    this article ‘Veterans for Perry Coalition’ had things in it that I did not know he did for our vets. It made me all weepy that he truly gets it about people in our military making sacrifices for all of us here at home. IMO I feel our vets need to be honored in every way possible and I am proud of all that this article mentions Perry has done for our vets. I wish I knew these things when I lived in TX and he was my governor I would have been an even stronger supporter. Now I may live in another state but will be very happy to call him my president and I am working hard to make that happen

    “Gov. Perry truly understands the honor of volunteering to serve our great nation,? said Major General James Everett Livingston, Medal of Honor recipient and one of the national co-chairs of the Veterans for Perry Coalition. ?He has advocated on behalf of veterans and their families as governor of Texas, and I know he will proudly represent me and veterans across the nation when he is president.?

    read the full article to see all that he has done for our veterans:
    http://www.rickperry.org/news/gov-rick-perry-announces-veterans-for-perry-coalition/

  • center77

    he does not have the tools to be president. I liked Rick until he made the attacks on Rick Perry personal, and one could see the contempt he felt in his heart for Perry. I cannot support someone will to go as far to lie and tell half truths about some ones record, and at the same time judge the voters by sating people cannot take a governor of Texas serious. Perry as a great record and Santorum came of looking like a big baby for the way he was acting. It?s always “I?m the only one” with Rick, it?s never I feel I am best prepared, it?s always about how great he is. Well to be honest his record is sporadic at best, but in no way is he a better choice than Perry. Perry’s new add proves he is not afraid to take on the liberal forces directly on their hypocrisy. Plus Rick is about states? rights until it is something he does not like. He views are often backwards.

  • ghostship

    The GOP isn’t really a small government party. The small government wing of the party is one of the smallest fractions of the party.

    The GOP is dominated by the Establishment, the Neo-Cons, and the Social Conservatives of whom none have the principles of smaller government being part of their ideological foundation.

  • texasroots

    on CNN live this evening like 9 pm at some college (it’s no longer showing the event) Paul was going to expose Newt. He also had a town hall earlier. Appears he has legit info on Newt. I was at grocery store today and while waiting at the checkout counter, there is the National Enquirer and Newt is on the cover about his mistress(es), and that more is coming out. Not what we need. Don’t worry, I will never give up on Perry.

  • windwaker24

    nt

  • David123

    while Newt was also lying about sex.

    Might not matter in the primary, but it will matter in the general. Will Newt lose? I don’t know. But if Newt wins it means that Romney, Perry, or Santorum would also have won, had any of them been the nominee.

    However, if Romney, Perry, and Santorum can beat Obama, that doesn’t mean Newt can beat Obama. If a voter wants to vote for a good family man he will not vote for Newt.

  • windwaker24

    made it on time in Ohio. Did something go wrong for Newt?

  • bzip

    If we were suppose to be looking for and finding the anti-Romney candidate – I have always felt Newt was too close to Romney. Newt just suggested Romney is on the short list for VP. Seems to me that we have the two mandate big gov’t types teaming up.

    Gingrich admits Romney would be on his short list for VP
    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/08/gingrich-admits-romney-would-be-on-his-short-list-for-vp/comment-page-1/#comment-5148280

  • tyman

    When they went after Perry, that ended any support I would have given them.

    You can call Perry a lot of things, but he hasn’t made personal attacks on the other candidates. He’s defended himself against attacks made by others.

    I wonder if anyone has campaign ads etc. from when Santorum lost his senate seat. I’m wondering if this isn’t Santorum’s M.O.

    Anyway, Perry’s stances on these issues have really impressed me.

    BTW, Newt’s tax plan may look better than Perry’s on Newt’s website, but I think Perry’s is far more able to be legislated. Newt might be right about taking the corporate tax to zero on principle, but I don’t think it would ever pass.

  • texasroots

    giving hi-fives to Perry and laughing before the debate. At least he was not screaming at Perry like on one of the other debates. I recall in Iowa straw vote C-Span covered the event and Santorum got a lot of coverage. I prefer he run for his old seat again.

  • cbartlett

    They seem to be few and far between elsewhere – somewhat discouraging….

    I really think that the fight we need to make to voters in this country is that we need fundamental change to the federal government. Mitt and Newt are big government, GOP establishment-types who will only do a slightly more conservative-version of what has been happening in DC for decades. Perry is the ONLY candidate who will work to dismantle that structure. The only way to cut spending is cut the number of federal government workers. Federal agencies, for the most part, are directed by the Executive branch and many of them need to go away! The average person on the street has no idea what effect some of these agencies are actually having on their life. Our business deals with rules made by the EPA and Dept of Energy all the time. My daughter is a teacher and I see the effects of Dept of Education and we all know what HHS is going to do with Obamacare. These agencies are rogue and subjecting this country to ridiculous rules and regulations – and there is no place to go to get things changed! You would be absolutely appalled at some of the absolutely stupid stuff out there. Congress would actually have to pass a law that says an agency CAN’T do something to stop it. And we can all see how well (and fast!) the legislative process works these days….

    Perry probably won’t be able to abolish every agency or all of the stupid federal entitlements that need serious reforming, but he will certainly make a dent in it – and possibly at least get some of this stuff back to the states where we, the people, might actually have a chance to talk to, or vote for, someone who will change things. I really think all of the other candidates have too much invested in big Washington government to do more than nip around the edges. We need REAL change! (and NOT the Obama kind!!) Appreciate all of the good posts about Perry ads and speeches. I really hope he is the tortoise in this race – slow and steady wins….

  • pj2012

    Is that 9pm ET? On CNN Piers Morgan? Newt has more mistress(es)?

    Sorry for all the questions… but what’s happening?

  • texasroots

    in my opinion, military service should be a requirement for president. As a vet, Perry identifies with other vets. He would make a terrific Commander in Chief.

  • bzip

    Yep, I totally agree with you David123.

    There is a huge amount in all f this. From cheating on his wives (a serious character issue, a trust issue – broke an oath wedding vows, draws concerns about the women’s vote too).

    To the ethic violation – when coupled to the cheating on wives part it is damaging. Then you could couple it to Newt’s own colleagues from that time frame who have come out now and slammed Newt for poor leadership.

    Take this all into account in a general election with dem’s and you have one heck of a mess. You might as well just give Obama another 4 years, it will be ugly in the general

  • texasroots

    the Newt stuff on mistress(es) was on the National Enquirer I saw at the grocery store today.

    On CNN.com live events for the day, breaking news, the day’s top stores, is no longer showing the Ron Paul event at 9 pm. If you check daily, it will have the live events for the day. If I want to watch live events for Perry I go to his website.

  • carolina

    because Romney does not have a tax reform plan. He pointed out that one of Newt’s greatest strengths is his supply-side economic growth plan (including a 15% flat tax)
    I think Kudlow has it exactly right.
    All those political elite Romney advisors are lost inside their beltway 59 point plan. They are out of touch with the electorate. (smirk)

  • bzip

    It is time for the pop corn and time to see the next flavor come into the top tier -It Better be Perry.

    Lets hope for the Perry Rebound that is about to take place :-) .

  • pj2012

    good news… http://www.rickperry.org/news/gov-rick-perry-announces-veterans-for-perry-coalition/

    Finally they got some good stuff up, Buttons, Rally Sign…T-shirts, Hats… ah… Mugs, Media stuff… Take peek… http://store.rickperry.org/

    Cool Media Center… it does freaky things… it’s making me dizzy… stop moving… lol… http://www.rickperry.org/media-center/

  • windwaker24

    The economy may be bad, but I have to TRUST that the candidate will do what he says to fix it. Newt is certainly better than Obama, but I will never TRUST him because of his character issues (like his adultery and flip-flopping). Character may not matter to you, but it matters greatly to me, yes even more than this bad economy because a person with good character will always do what best for the country in a good or bad economy. People with good character MAKE good economies and great countries!

  • Common_Cents

    Newt has gone out of his way the entire campaign to not take on opponents. This was just a dodge while Blitz was trying to start a fight.

    Let’s at least post some real stuff like Newt cheated on his wives. Nobody heard that yet.

  • carolynr

    http://c-spanvideo.org/program/PerryRema?utm_source=The+Perry+Almanac&utm_campaign=9ec382580a-Email_19_15_2011&utm_medium=email

    Now…who should be our president? I say…Rick Perry.

  • bzip

    Thanks for joining in and welcome aboard.

    I agree with you. We need to change the way Washington is being run and it is clear Mitt and Newt aren’t the ones to change it. They both have big gov’t ideas and big gov’t past with them.

    It should be clear by Perry’s record, his book, his plans/policies that he has announced – that Perry is truly the guy who wants to change Washington. I think Perry needs to sell that point and highlight it.

    Thanks for sharing and welcome.

  • pj2012

    Very magnanimous of the former Speaker, especially given Mitt Romney?s recent stepped-up attacks against him: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/08/gingrich-admits-romney-would-be-on-his-short-list-for-vp/

  • pj2012

  • David123

    49% of voters strongly oppose Obama,
    and 2% of voters mildly dislike Obama, but intensely hate cheating.

    In this situation Perry, Romney, or Santorum will win the general election while Gingrich will lose it.

    Why go with the candidate who antagonizes voters who believe that character and adultery are extremely important issues?

  • gunslingr45

    you talking about the cheating, gun bill and golbal warming lover Newt? No Thanks!

    “For those who have fought for it freedom has a sweet taste the protected will never know”

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You write in a candidate and you’re contributing to the reelection of Obama. I suspect you’ll be able to sleep well with that because you’ll retreat to the excuse of fools: “I did the right thing!”

    And, the “turkey” part of your screen name is very appropriate.

    There’s a good reason why the mantra at RS is “conservative in primary, Republican in the general”.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    They are simply character traits of a specific individual.

    Issues are the size and scope of the federal government. And unfortunately, there are probably more than 2% of the electorate who don’t understand that and don’t care. And, are stupid enough to not understand that even including his adultry Newt’s character is far superior to Obama’s.

    Forrest Gump was right: You can’t fix stupid.

  • windwaker24

    We’re pitiful! :)

  • Common_Cents

    any questions?

  • Kyle-MI

    If people are willing to throw the country away because the only alternative is someone who cheated on his wife, then we deserve the loss of rights, the loss of freedom, and the loss of our very country.

    Cheating on your spouse is one factor in the decision process of who to elect. It is one weight on the scale. On the other side of the scale are such things as unfettered support for abortion, promotion of homosexuality, and judicial activism that undermines our very system of government.

    There are no perfect people. There are no philosopher kings. Everyone has their flaws. If we wait around for the perfect person to run on our side, then the other side will continue to elect their imperfect people to implement their policies because there will be no body running on our side.

    We need to pick the best we can in our primary, but, almost no matter what the outcome, we need to get the current occupant out of this seat of power. Weighing almost any of our candidates against the choice of Obama, nothing outweighs his flaws.

  • tyman

    The first thing that I thought of when I heard that is that it would set Romney up to be president in 20??. If Newt kicks the bucket…stranger things have happened, you’ve got President Romney.

    This goes a long way to showing me what Newt is about. Even to put Romney on the short list.

    Picking a George H.W. Bush as his running mate was one of the worst mistakes that Reagan ever made. I think Reagan would have won both elections with Bush. After Reagan, Bush was a disaster that gave us Clinton and, in some ways, it led us to where we are now.

    It’s disappointing, but not surprising. If Newt is really rising in the polls, why would he want (need) Romney as his VP? To get the Northeast vote? Romney didn’t run for re-election in Massachusetts because (as I recall) he would have been beaten badly; so I don’t think he’s terribly popular.

    It makes Perry’s comments about the VP and a warm bucket of spit really have some perspective. If Perry was Newt’s VP, for instance, and say the administration bungled some things, that would NOT be a stepping stone to the presidency for Perry, and it would probably be better for him to stay in Texas in that case.

    Some of the folks in the “draft Cheney”m ovement are probably in the “Perry’s unelectable because he’s from Texas and he reminds people of W” camp. Cheney’s electability would be about zero, and I’m very fond of Dick Cheney!

    One other thing about Perry. Perry is trying to rally the folks that McCain couldn’t in ’08: the evangelicals. That’s why McCain lost in a nutshell…he didn’t fire up the base.

    In my opinion, a Gingrich/Romney ticket would do the same thing. Regardless of Obama’s ratings. Even if they won the White House, I don’t think it would fire up the base in the Congressional elections.

  • tyman

    nt

  • Common_Cents

    .

  • septembergurl

    means:
    no personal/sexual scandals
    consistent conservative record
    able to articulate his positions

    ie, he can talk about foreign policy and name check foreign leaders without stammering.

    He could probably list three items he is supposed to care about without forgetting one.

    You know?

  • jaykali

    Does Karl Rove get a check in the mail if he helps convince people to elect Romney? I am ALSO tired of the straw-man “establishment” that is the source of all evils such as electing evil RINOs. There is no question goal #1 is to unseat Obama who is the worst f-ing president in modern history. If you want to persuade me that Gingrich is so much better than Romney I just don’t buy it, I think Gingrich has just as many flaws. I don’t want to hear ab Romney continuing Obama’s policies. Who the hell thinks that is really going to happen?!?! I don’t want to hear ab Republicans being closet liberals, it is a stupid argument. Alot of these people are the same morons that support Donald Trump.

    I guess it doesn’t really matter in the end. I will be voting Republican if they nominate a water cooler to represent the Republicans in the next election (if Karl Rove tells me to that is).

  • Common_Cents


  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Do you have a Twitter handle so I can follow you back?

    I heard about the Iowa Response. Sounds like it was wonderful and a true blessing. I would’ve loved to go to the one in Texas this August; we did participate in spirit, though. I think a lot of people are lifting Perry up in prayer, and we know that the prayer of a righteous man (or men) availeth much!

  • valrobex

    To remember and vote in that election. Thanks, I had forgotten hearing that spin during that primary. Thanks for prompting the memories.

  • aesthete

    Good post.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    but Obama will do just as well!

    Welcome to RedState, durameter, glad to have you on board. We can never have enough Perry supporters, so long as we keep it on an intellectual level! (Most of the time, anyway…as you saw above, the feminine members of the Perry Posse sometimes reveal a bit of a crush/fangirlism but we do our best to keep it to a minimum and be very sophisticated the rest of the time ;) )

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    is that Perry is working fast and furious. FRED! was a lazy campaigner, or so I’ve heard from numerous supporters here on RS, including Scope. FRED! didn’t have the personality, either. Perry is charismatic and has a great message, and he can get a crowd fired up. Ever seen the video of him at Sean Hannity’s Freedom Concert?

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Everyone counted out Secretariat. He was a racehorse who always ALWAYS started in the back, way behind all the other horses. Then at the very end he’d shoot ahead, and everyone would be watching, dumbfounded, as he reached the finish line way before everyone else. (When he died they discovered that his heart was twice as big as that of a normal horse, which accounted for his ability to reach such speeds.)

    Perry is like Secretariat. He always has been. But he’s a fighter. He’ll be in Iowa most of December on a bus tour with Anita, doing what he does best: retail politics. While Newt and Willard claw each other’s eyes out, Perry will be shooting ahead.

    Just like Secretariat.

  • Common_Cents

  • valrobex

    nothing really happened.

    The charges were politically motivated to weaken Gingrich. 83 out of 84 charges were dismissed. The one he got censured for was later dismissed by the IRS because Gingrich was evidently right that the course he taught was tax exempt.

    He broke no laws and the congressional “ethic” he violated was subsequently dismissed as invalid as well.

  • onemovoter

    But you also might like it as I have some related information on the Veteran side.

    The Private Life of Governor Rick Perry

    PTTX333 gave warning to make sure to have a Kleenex box handy.

  • onemovoter

    Popular a month out but no depth in the field.

    Will crash and burn.

  • bzip

    So now we can put Newt down as another flip-flopper in addition to cheating on his wives (dishonest).

    Mandate:
    Is Newt Gingrich a Conservative? You decide
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-newt-gingrich-a-conservative-you-decide/

    Gingrich Backs Obamacare’s Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426

    Newt Gingrich Was For The Individual Mandate Before He Was Against It
    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/newt-gingrich-was-for-the-individual-mandate-before-he-was-against-it/

    Gingrich (in 2007): Congress Must Impose an Individual Mandate
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/gingrich-individual-mandate-health-care-Congress-2007

    Gingrich Supports ‘Variation’ on Obamacare-Type Health Insurance Mandate
    http://youtu.be/ThwVp0cwOMA

  • Common_Cents

    and wants his analysis back ;)

  • valrobex

    consider the source of the information.

    I trust Gingrich to tell the truth a whole hell of a lot more than I trust CNN or MSNBC to do so.

    Gingrich himself says Callista is extremely active in his campaign so for anyone attributing motive as to “why” she’s involved is walking on thin ice.

    Until we actually hear from the Newtmeister or Callista herself we simply don’t know why she’s so actively involved.

    It makes a whole lot of sense that she got very active in the campaign because initially money was tight. I wouldn’t insist that this was the case, but it is logical.

    It behooves us to deal first with facts and then form our opinions — not form an opinion based upon someone else’s opinion,

    Now, if you’re being humorous and pulling our chain… :>)

  • origami

    Think 25 years down the line when I’m talking to my grandkids and I have to say “Yes, in 2012 I voted for a guy I knew was a philandering, thrice married, flip-flopper, who traded his conscience for corporate bribes. But you should have seen the other guy!”

    I’m tired of voting against people. I want to vote for someone I actually trust. I don’t demand a perfect candidate that agrees with me on everything. I just demand a candidate who isn’t a liar. You can’t tell me a guy on his 3rd wife isn’t comfortable lying. You can’t tell me that Mitt Romney honestly believes half the things he says he believes. I won’t give men like that my vote.

  • origami

    That RON PAUL could decide the nomination if we get a brokered convention. He doesn’t have to win any states to play king maker.

  • lineholder

    I’m not saying that it isn’t. My impression is that you’re placing first priority on making a choice of candidate based on character and principle. That’s fine. My first priority is beating Obama and stopping the left’s progress in their “fundamental transformation” of our nation. So we’re approaching this from different angles.

    Let me put this another way. We have candidate A who has been faithful to his/her spouse and candidate B who has been unfaithful to his/her spouse. If candidate A connects with voters to the extent that it maximizes the potential to beat Obama, then I definitely will go with candidate A.

    But if candidate A doesn’t succeed in making that connection and candidate B does succeed, then I’m not going to throw caution to the wind and vote for candidate A just out of principle. I’ll go with candidate B, because my first priority is to beat Obama and stop the onslaught of the left.

    My nation’s future, including my future, my children’s future and their children’s futures and so forth, depends on getting Obama out of office in 2012. We’re not in a position where this nation can endure four more years of the “fundamental transformation” process.

  • pttx333

    hankies, Pufs or Kleenex needed! I love this story so much – be sure to go to every single link and read every single word. I’ve done it over and over and have it bookmarked! Voter, you need to get some sort of medal for this one!

    My granddaughter who went into the Army on Sep. 8 was just home for a few days. Her maternal grandfather (I’m on the paternal side) died so she came for the funeral. We are so proud of her, and she has already made so many friends. This tiny little green-eyed blonde was tough enough to go through boot camp when there were 17 in her outfit who couldn’t make the cut. That little thing did it! I’ve always loved our military, always will, but now I have added a few more buttons to pop over my granddaughter.

    Read the diary without crying – if you can. I still can’t – it is so sweet and means the world to me. Thanks again, Voter! You’re a winner!

  • 1bunny

    and really liked it. I knew he did a lot for veterans but today just seeing it all layed out in this article just really moved me. As I said he was my governor (lived in TX 6 yrs- only moved to follow hubby) and I just did not know ALL that he has done, just some of it. Houston is liberal and the papers were liberal so just got out of listening to the news and reading the paper. Wasn’t so much into internet news back then. Now that I am not working I have a lot more time to spend surfing the web and finding out all kinds of things. Really glad I stumbled upon RS and all the Perry supporters. I was getting discouraged reading all the negative. Don’t get me wrong I will never give up on Perry but it was disheartening to think I was the only Perry supporter in the US : ) Well on some days it seemed that way. I firmly believe he is the best choice to lead this nation and I pray every day it will happen. I am totally devoted to working for his election. I wish I had someone to go to Iowa with as I don’t feel comfortable going alone. But even if I can’t travel there I can do other things. As I said I am commited to doing all that I possibly can.
    Thanks to you and all the others who post such wonderful insighful stories, videos, and info on Perry. It is always a pleasure to come here and read them.

  • David123

    Having a character flaw decreases electability. I can see the left having a field day exploiting Newt’s flaws.

  • turkeyotooley

    I’m a lifelong Republican voter.

    And when did I say I would write in a candidate?

    I understand the importance of pulling the lever with the “R” next to it. I’m not the one needing persuading.

    What you seem to fail to understand is that there are MANY voters who are immune to fear-mongering and the typical “hold your nose”-appeals to vote Republican. I’m surrounded by them. They are tired of the same political ploys. These are voters that think that Repubs are as tone deaf as Democrats. Having Romney or Gingrich only enhances the probability of that outrage surfacing.

    You don’t beat a clown like Romney by advancing the Anybody but Obama argument. And for the health of the Republican party, you better believe Romney must be defeated in the primary. You beat RINOs like Romney by communicating to him and his acolytes that you take your vote seriously — meaning you don’t throw up your hands in fear of “Obama” and march like a lemming to vote for any warm body who calls himself or herself a Republican.

    I don’t need to be a lemming yet. Right now, I want the most conservative candidate.

    And the candidate who wins will earn my vote.

  • sunshinek67

    nooooo text darnit!

  • sunshinek67

    I liked Axelrod’s assessment earlier today, I think he was talking to a Times reporter, something to the effect of “we thought we left Gingrich for dead @the Tiffany’s counter”. Google it, it’s there.

    Gingrich/Romney (vice versa) 2012 slogan “We May Have An R, But We Govern Like A D”

  • lineholder

    then again, it may not. It depends on whether the voter makes a conscious choice to support a candidate IN SPITE OF those flaws. If this is the case, the left could propagandize it forever and a day, and because voters have already taken those flaws into consideration when they made their choice to support the candidate, the left’s chatter may not have an impact on those voters to speak of.

    If the response on the part of the voters that has been indicated in the polls reflecting Newt’s standing is just some random restlessness, then yeah, the left’s chatter may have an impact on them.

  • snowshooze

    It doesn’t look promising.

  • valrobex

    we cast our ballots on clay tablets that we had to deliver by hand walking 10 miles in the snow, uphill, both ways in our bare feet…

    I still remember Truman and Eisenhower as a young boy.

  • snowshooze

    Psychotic is what I think they called it.

  • conservativeparrothead

    One of the reasons, is that he has ideas on how to solve issues that quite frankly hurt America. Having people who are capable of buying some sort of health insurance, and they dont is bad for everyone when something happens to them. Even if its just some high deductible catastrophy insurance.

    As for the field, Im not too optomistic that Newt will hold on. I think it will probaby end up being Romney, but I feel like starting an anti-Romne website.

  • lineholder

    I’d say serial killer definitely qualifies as a form of psychoses.

    Question: Was this meant to be a comparison between Newt’s character and Dahmer’s character? Just asking, sincerely, because I’m not sure.

  • pttx333

    sitting at the movies with my Mom and grandparents in 1946, I guess it was, with the votes counted being shown on a screen to the side of the big screen. My family were all big dems, very conservative, so were rooting for Truman. I remember that plain as day. I guess I was barely six years old.

    You got it about the clay tablets and walking up and down the uphill roads in the snow, bare feet, just rags on our bodies, icicles hanging from my nose and eyelashes. Actually, I thought it was 10 miles each way uphill, but maybe I’m wrong. But, by golly, I voted!! LOL

  • snowshooze

    I am certain that some Professor types could draw some paralells…

  • lineholder

    Thanks for answering my question, because I was just wondering where you were going with this. That’s all.

  • snowshooze

    If he were only killing and eating DNC members…

  • onemovoter

    And they have huge oppo info on them that I’ve read and watched full videos of. It is why so many conservatives still aren’t comfortable with Romney.

    As far as Newt, sorry but a mandate from the federal gov is unconstitutional and an affront to freedom in this country. That is why people should discard Newt for the faux conservative that he is.

    The market place was actually moving towards a better system of high deductible Health savings accounts that work to push people to shop around for the best price. That is what we need, instead of pushing people to use insurance as their credit card to buy health care. Once OCare was pushed through the market place is adjusting in the wrong way and will cost us dearly.

  • snowshooze

    How woukld you know?

  • lineholder

    Oh, you meant that figuratively, huh?

    I’d love to see Repubs take more initiative in standing up to the Dems, too. It wouldn’t bother me one bit to see them display some Neanderthal-type behavior once in a while.

  • snowshooze

    Figuratively. If you can work that in.

  • valrobex

    who pushed me down in the snow afterwords?!!!

    And I slid ten miles home that evening, uphill, in the snow with my bare feet and came home with a bloody nose…

    To be expected from a snotty little Democrat….LOL

  • turkeyotooley

    The Establishment is trying to maintain its power.

    Rove and the other political consultants have gained quite a foothold in D.C. They are not about to let a reformer get into the presidency.

    Romney is a fraud. He will get destroyed by Obama.

    Oh, and by the way, there are plenty of RINOs out there; they savaged conservatism so badly that the electorate turned to a sophist like Obama. So yeah, I could care less if you think that rants about the Establishment are nothing but a “straw man.”

  • pttx333

    you know what? When I could first legally vote in Texas at age 21, I voted for Goldwater! How’s that? My family thought I had grown 3 heads! HAHA It was the conservative upbringing, except I went Republican while my folks stayed Dems – they never did understand that the dems had left them a long time ago!

    Dang, it is really hard to slide uphill, huh? I did that a few times myself – then there was all the barbed wire fencing that we’d get tangled up in as we went sliding by. That was fun. Not. LOL

    Glad to see I’m not the only old critter on here, but I’ll bet I’m still older than you! I’m 71 and counting, and dang proud of it! Earned every grey hair and wrinkle, too!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because the multiplicity of candidates is already set.

    The PA-Society meetings/receptions in NYC this upcoming weekend will yield initial judgments regarding which might be endorsed next month by the State Committee.

  • wingnut43

    The 2012 GOP rules require proportional allocation of delegates until April 1. The vast majority of States vote before that date. In a multi candidate field, proportional allocation favors a brokered convention, especially because the GOP does not have superdelegates the way the Democrats do. Remember, the only reasons the Democrats did not have a brokered convention in 2008 was that the Superdelegates sided with Obama, and because the race was a 2-person contest. We currently have an 8 person contest that might get whittled down to 3-5 contenders, but not to 2. Ron Paul isn’t going anywhere, no matter what else happens.

    The more interesting question is who will a brokered convention pick? There really aren’t any good contenders just waiting in the wings to ride in on a white horse. They might pick someone from the current field, or impose a ticket of 2 contenders that have been running against each other. They could pick Ryan, Christie, Barbour, etc…, but they would be picking someone who didn’t want to run. At least the current contenders are getting a lot of practice debating that will come in useful if one of them must face Obama.

    What all of this tells me is that Obama will be incredibly hard to beat in 2012, and the fundamental reason for this is obvious but usually unsaid. The GOP doesn’t have any answers for our problems any more than Obama does. Yes we can roll back Obama’s imposition of the despicable ObamaCare and his other outrages, but then what? All the objective evidence says we are in for a very very long Depression driven by consumer deleveraging coincident with terminal decline of fossil fuel resources. There is no way to return the USA to robust growth for decades. Only time and technological change will solve these problems. Lots and lots of time.

  • wingnut43

    Newt may have baggage, but he was the Republican leader once before, he is a good debater, quick on his feet, and he is capable of rapidly adapting to changing conditions. I think Obama will beat Romney like a drum, and we might as well go with someone who is not likely to overly disappoint us once in office, and who is able to debate well. Perry doesn’t debate well enough, and Obama would make mincemeat of him.

    Obama will be incredibly hard to beat for any Republican. He will have a billion dollars (or more), and he has the media totally on his side. Obama has the power of incumbency and he isn’t afraid to use it. Do not be surprised if Obama gets us into a nuclear war with Iran 2 months before the election. Do incumbent presidents lose in the middle of new wars that are just getting into maximum intensity? Not usually.

  • wingnut43

    IA and NH are small, and delegate allocation is proportional until April 1 under the new rules. The normal mechanism of ejection from the race is running out of cash. A race that is heavy on free debates allows a candidate to run credibly with little cash. You need some money to get petitions collected to get on all the state ballots, but if you can meet the filing deadlines and maintain some popular support, you can keep going all the way to the convention. Especially in a multicandidate field.

    What was in the RNC’s heads when they decided to copy the Democrats and adopt a proportional delegate system? This is what I do not understand.

    A race like this will probably not be repeated in future cycles. For one thing, debate airtime is unlikely to remain free in 2016.

  • center77

    because the whole race will come down to whether the country can trust Newt, and its been clear for years he is not the one to hand the car keys to if you want to get home save, yes he craves power, and when he gets it he becomes very Obama like, better than everybody else. I understand we want Obama out, but its not a win if we give power to the guy who used his last power position to set himself up to make millions. Newt, can’t see it.

    We lose the argument right off that bat because the only way to beat Obama is to tie him to the Washington way of helping friends, solindras, f & f. We have to prove conservatism works much better than liberalism, like say Texas. Newt can make the I’m the real change you seek argument, because he is not, Newt is the very thing wrong with the power centered nations capital. We lost already the first day Newt can say he is the nominee, which he is already saying , why he is hanging his hat around trump, who threatens to run third party and blow everything up if he does not het his way. It’s just not what we should tell the rest of the country we are, its the small gov conservatives who loath the insiders who use power to enrich themselves, that’s who we should want to defeat, not join.

  • wingnut43

    In 1980 we were near the peak of the interest rate cycle. Now we are near the bottom. We have depressionary conditions, not inflationary ones. Actually, 2012 could end up being more like 2008, and if lots of EU banks vaporize next year it could even be a worse shock than 2008. With all the off-the-books re-hypothecation of collateral (as MF Global did), it is now possible for the entire global banking system to vanish in the wink of an eye. Kind of like 1932-1933.

    Obama is kind of like Herbert Hoover, but one year out of phase, and this difference could produce a different outcome than took place in the 1932 election.

  • wingnut43

    At least Callista Gingrich is an elegant woman who wears very expensive diamonds, and would fit perfectly into the role of First Lady.

  • wingnut43

    Congressmen don’t control prevailing opinion. It is the big money people. The ones who write $2000 checks to candidates and parties without batting an eyelash. Romney has those people locked up, primarily because he is one of them.

  • wingnut43

    How do you know if Romney is to the right or the left of Gingrich on any issue? Romney flip flops so much that he probably doesn’t know himself where he will stand tomorrow. At least Gingrich will explain his thinking. Romney just puts wet finger in wind and gets his answer.

  • lucasblack

    He was right on the war, though. The GOP was isolationist and as far as I am concerned, they were wrong about that. But I wasn’t saying I considered him one of the best presidents, just that historians do so clearly you can screw around and not have it hurt your rating in history.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …on two other sites:

    http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2011/12/08/gingrich-is-his-rise-sustainable/#comment-19356

    and

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/08/my-endorsement-for-president/#comment-148731

    *

    The former addresses why Perry can benefit from a predictable fall-from-grace that no one in the MSM/LSM/ELM is predicting; the latter captures how I had boxed-in JSobieski regarding his defense of The Newt with regard to the Individual Mandate.

  • rmiddle

    ericksontales.

    EE has never claimed to be unbiased, unlike the liberal journalist who calm to be unbiased but lean so far to the left that even liberal see it. EE has always said he doesn’t like Romney but he has also said the Romney had a good shot at winning the nod. He might see the writing on the walls and not like it but he isn’t writing puff pieces on Perry and slamming Romey left and right. If you don’t believe me about so called reports being unbiased go read some news paper reports of Bush wining election in 04 and tell me how many of the reports you would call unbiased.

    Also EE 80% remark is clear. 80% of the primary want anyone but Romney. Does that mean if Romney gets the nod that the 80% wont vote for him. No. Just like many of us held out noise and Voted for McCain because we though he was better then Obama. However with that said there were many Conservatives that just didn’t vote in 2008. That killed us in the Senate and the House.

    This begs the question would a true Conservative made a difference against Obama in 2008? Not likely there were just too many people who were born after or were too young to remember the Carter years. Many American’s just didn’t understand what having someone like Obama in office would mean. But how many House or Senate seats would have been saved? If we had Saved just one Senate Seat or a dozen or so House seats that might have been enough to stop Obama Care. How much better off would we be right now?

    Thanks
    Robert

    With that being said I am in the anyone but Romney crowed. I will vote for him. Not likely support him outside of that. With that said I am not crazy about Newt but since Maryland Primary is at the end of the cycle my vote wont count for much. I will be either making a symbolic vote or will be stuck with a choice between 2 people. If the current polls hold up I am not a fan of either.

    Thanks
    Robert

  • avagreen

    switched parties to Republican around 1989, about the same time as Perry. There are lot of us still around and as center said we are the conservative independents now.. Or, conservative Republicans.

    Not in a nursing home, either. ;)

  • pttx333

    trying to make up for lost time and am about to give up and go to bed shortly. ;-)

    Yep, you got it right about the conservative dems in Texas, even though I’ve always voted for pubs, beginning with Goldwater. My parents, though very conservative, voted dem until they passed.

    Nope, I’m not in a nursing home or even assisted living. ;-) Hope I never have to go there either!

  • avagreen

    I probs won’t go back to sleep tonight.

    BTW, Not even close to a nursing home. :)

  • pttx333

    nn

  • pttx333

    nn

  • romansdaughter

    But a month ago it was Herman Cain leading everywhere so I wouldn’t get too excited about Newt leading everywhere. There is a lot of baggage and those that actually think that Newt is a changed man…I sure don”t see any evidence of that..big ego and always thinks he is smarter than everyone else and lots of times just spews out a wealth of words that actually if you pay attention doesn’t really answer the question. Ken Ciccineli (can’t remember how his name is spelled?) is right.

  • romansdaughter

    Rick Perry all the way since he is the only candidate to have a record of 10 years of working on fixing and strengthening the economy and doing a fine job in Texas. Besides I don’t see either Newt or Mitt doing that!

  • romansdaughter

    Welcome back and I missed you even though I have only been on RS for a short time…I have loved your optimism and encouragement. Thanks much!

  • bzip

    BIG BARNSTORM: Rick Perry to hit 44 Iowa cities on two-week bus tour
    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/08/big-barnstorm-rick-perry-to-hit-44-iowa-cities-on-two-week-bus-tour/

    Rick Perry on Newt Gingrich: My vow was to God, not just my wife
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70117.html

  • romansdaughter

    I am a big fan of Tim Tebow just cause he stands up to his convictions. That is why I like Rick Perry the best cause he stands up to his convictions. Circle, I enjoyed your take from the money angle I had never really thought about that. Good points!

  • pttx333

    I enjoy your posts as well and read them whenever I see one posted. I’ve only been here since maybe late August or somewhere around there, but I love RS and the folks here. Not to mention – I’ve learned a LOT even though I’ve been a political junkie for most of my adult life.

    Yeah, I’m basically an optimist at heart and a cheerleader by nature, so I love to pump up everyone. Just hope I don’t offend anyone – that is never my intention. But for those who think like me, and I know that you do, I will come around and ring your bell if you’re sounding a little down or to cheer you on in what you are saying. If I’m a pest, just say so – won’t hurt my feelings. We’ve got to stick together to see our guy Perry cross that finish line! He’s the only one for me ….

  • romansdaughter

    Thanks for answering my question. I guess I don’t have the same views on what makes you compromised. Lots of folks according to my Dad thought Reagan was compromised by your definition and look what happened. So I will go with the candidate that best relates to my convictions in the primaries.

  • sunshinek67

    not hearing it tho’ in the msm no surprise, he has been sidelined.

    Saw you yesterday somewhere on HotGas giving it to straight to someone. Too funny.

  • jimmyg

    “The Perry campaign also struggled to woo small donors in the third quarter, with just under $700,000 coming from donors giving under $200, as reported by the New York Times and confirmed by Perry?s campaign. That?s about 4 percent of the campaign?s total haul.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/07/rick-perry-on-cnn-im-second-in-the-hot-gas-reader-poll-you-know/

  • Common_Cents

    Stay away from sharp instruments, wouldn’t want you to cut off your nose ;)

  • texasroots

    The CNN.web live events today (12/9) is now showing that at 2 pm Ron Paul is holding a town hall meeting in Mason City, Iowa. It also shows Santorum to receive a big endorsement in his Johnston, Iowa campaign appearance at 7 pm. Go check it out. I will try to watch the 2 pm Ron Paul meeting if CNN in fact covers it.

  • bzip

    I wish I could watch it. I am at work now but hopefully I can catch it on the news later or get filled in over here. Thanks much.

  • bzip

    Yep, it looks like the MSM like to focus on the stupid things (like HotGas) rather then the more important issues.

    Yep, I have been busy at HotGas and even Tea Party Nation blasting away but I really do have to work at some point :-) .

  • texasroots

    Keep the faith. I keep my intercessory prayer going for Perry, of course.

  • Locked and Loaded

    one that produces late into the season and keeps quite well.

  • Locked and Loaded

    one that produces late into the season and keeps quite well.

  • lizzie

    Great post and thread – only just read it all this morning, and need to sign off now.

    Here is what I researched to post when a Paulbot dissed Perry because Ron Paul gets so many donations from military veterans,
    so I figure the other Perry supporters here can use it because I am worn out from being online (and that has been mostly to defend Perry’s Carhartt jacket in the last 36 hours!)

    “Dr. Ron Paul, after his medical residency at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, was drafted into the US Air Force in 1963 because the Selective Service Act of 1948 “…required all men, ages 18 to 26, to register. It also created the system for the “Doctor Draft” aimed at inducting health professionals into military service. Unless otherwise exempted or deferred, these men could be called for up to 21 months of active duty and five years of reserve duty service. …” from wiki on Conscription in the United States.

    Dr. Ron Paul admits he was drafted, and I assume he completed all of his active duty and reserve service with honor.

    However, that does not give anyone the right to conflate the military service of Dr. Ron Paul, who had no intention of voluntary service, with the men and women who VOLUNTEERED to serve.”

    Stop Ron Paul’s grip on our Veterans!

    I was so gratified to read Gov. Perry’s Veteran statement, etc yesterday.
    I wanted to sign up as an endorser in memory of my father, may he rest in peace at Arlington National Cemetery, who gave up his exemption as a highly skilled machinist, to volunteer on December 8, 1941, and serve in the United States Navy for the entire war.
    He then re-enlisted for the Korean War.

    One of my father’s uncles, who was only ten years older – was the most distinguished physicist to serve the US Air Force during WW2, and in the Eisenhower administration. (He was the youngest of 12 who my grandfather, the oldest of 12, may he rest in peace, brought over from Hungary before WW1)

    I am certain both of them would be voting for Rick Perry if they were alive today.

    Half the voters alive today have some memory of when service for America meant something.

  • rwgrammy

    …is still the best choice for Conservatives. Why have people deserted her? Her message is still the same as the day her campaign started, her life is still the same (marriage, children, career) and she still stands for God and country and the Constitution. What is wrong with us that we’re afraid to just stand up and stick with someone of principle. If we say “she can’t win” then obviously we’ll be right. How about some positive thinking here. If we start now to support her and encourage others to do the same, there’s no reason not to believe she can and will win the primaries and beat Obama in the general election in November. Stop changing loyalities with the changes of the tides. Support MICHELE BACHMANN, THE BEST CHANCE WE HAVE!

  • arthurmanger17

    It was this retread as minority whip that fought the Democrat controlled house. It was this retread along with the tea party, that captured control of the house during the Clinton era in the 1994 midterms. It was this retread along with the tea party, that fought Clinton on the budget, taxes welfare reform. It was this retread that along with the tea party that got all these things and turned a deficit into a surplus. Oh wait! Their was no tea party, it was this Clinton era retread that fought the fight, led the fight and succeeded. Can you imagine what this retread could have accomplished if their was a teat party at that time that this Clinton era retread was speaker. There are a lot that do. This is why they need to stop this Clinton era retread.

  • supergirl2911

    As the leader if his party

  • supergirl2911

    Don’t discount Perry- the only differences between Newt and Romney other than the marriages is Romney has executive experience and newt is a better debater.

  • supergirl2911

    Over a month ago in an interview. I will post a link if I can find it.

  • jrfromdallas

    If you are like me and hate Obamacare you should not support ANY candidate that supported individual mandates like Romney/Gingrich. It is that simple for me. That is a major overreach in my book and I don’t want any President that tells me how to spend my money because they think they know what’s best for me.

  • jaykali

    How is Gingrich all of a sudden this ‘outsider’!? Gingrich is a career-politician. I dont hate Gingrich but I think whenever someone like Cain falls every jumps on the new front-runner and try to persuade everyone else that he/she is the greatest thing ever and I dont buy it. I just think ppl hate Romney and will take anything over Romney.

    I don’t believe in the establishment boogeyman. If you want to say that lobbyists are going to own anyone who wins an argument can be made for that but I dont believe Gingrich is somehow ‘immune’ to the lobbyists and power brokers in DC. HE WAS ONE.

    Personally baggage, etc I dont care ab. I want a winner. And I have yet to be convinced that Romney cant beat Obama. The polls are in his favor.

  • Common_Cents

    Gingrich is rapidly becoming viewed more as an outsider. He gets the most tea party support and will continue to do so with these attacks.

    Look at all these current establishment people coming out against Gingrich. Prob romney surrogates.

    They are calling gingrich mean. LOL Keep it up you morons and you’ll be crying about the mean President Gingrich.

  • valrobex

    as you which only makes your offense all the greater.! You were a bully!!! Pickin’ on a little kid half your age. You should be ashamed of yourself!

    I might have earned every grey hair like you, but they didn’t stick around long enough to get counted.

    It sounds like you do what I do. I refuse to get old!

    Age is a state of mind and even though I’m half a bubble off level — I’m in the prime of my dotage! ( Thank you, B. Franklin.)

    I was six or seven when I read in Ripley’s “Believe It or Not” about a guy who first learned to snow ski at 104. At that time I decided I was going to learn to snow ski when I’m a 105. I tell my wife she can be my snow bunny.

    She just quietly shakes her head sadly and sighs…

  • audax

    …at least they were when I was a national Delegate….

  • jaykali

    I just feel like it’s going to be alot tougher to unseat this president than I thought it would be a few months ago. He will run a really cynical campaign where he is for the poor and Republicans are morons for the rich and maybe that will be enough.

  • turkeyotooley

    Perry is the best candidate. His gaffes are given all the attention. It’s sad because he has the best record and can draw the sharpest contrast with Obama.

    I’m not a Newt supporter, but he is a better choice than Romney.

  • conservative_dan

    I don’t agree that we are in for a long “Depression”. If all a Republican President does is remove the jackboot of regulation from the throat of our free market system, I believe things will improve dramatically quickly. Getting rid of Bernanke and Geithner, et al. will also rock. Now is not the time to be discouraged by Obama’s destruction of our fine country. It would be just like succumbing to Carter’s malaise back in 1980. Confidence is what is needed. I agree with Newt that the economy will begin to noticably improve the day after the Republican candidate wins next November. Obama is terrible and can be beaten. We can’t back off and must try to get the most conservative candidate we can. The people running now can ALL beat the messiah, so let’s pick the most conservative one we can get.

  • Locke

    that those who have elected to spend their money on other things and go without health insurance and who cannot now pay for health care not receive it can oppose all individual mandates and all governmental alternatives, while recognizing that there is a vast difference between the Obama/Romney mandate, which is part of a total takeover of health care and the sort of minimalist mandate flirted with by Heritage and Gingrich, which merely sought to ensure that individuals not become burdens on society.

  • Locke

    to reduce their debt levels? And as to the alleged “terminal decline of fossil fuel resources”, see Steve Maley’s post. http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2011/12/09/north-americas-energy-bounty-by-the-numbers/.

  • JSobieski

    Moreover, the context of private accounts and entitlement reform should’t be ignored

  • aesthete

    Perfect (free market) > Good (private accounts/HSAs) > Bad (ObamaCare)

  • superpatriot

    Hi guys

    Anyone out there know how Perry is doing in Iowa??

    I’ve heard he’s been improving.

  • trevorb

    also reminds me of what Reagan said when he switched parties: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. They left me.”

  • travis690

    I for one will be satisfied if the Washington press corps becomes the Washington press corpse. They are the most useless of people for the nation. They are almost as low as…

    The Washington political consultants, who continue to do more harm than is believable, by always selecting the wrong people to support for President. Get ye to the unemployment line…quick!

    The party bosses need thrown out unless they will universally agree not to promote any candidates until AFTER the convention. Their early talk is always in support of weenies (moderates), who do not support the real principles of the party. Just remember how much a disaster John McCain was as presidential candidate, and that tells you all you need to know about listening to the party leaders before the convention.

    And I still challenge any of those boobs to explain why Romney is a better choice for President this year than he was in 2008, when all of those losers supported McCain. Let’s get off this bandwagon of always wanting to choose “the next (candidate) in line.” We are not running a competition for Student Council President; we are talking about the future of our republic!