Perry & Bachmann in Iowa


They had to do well in Iowa and they did. Mitt Romney had a better debate performance than this past Saturday. The software upgrade must have worked. Newt Gingrich held his own.

But Michele Bachmann got to Newt. She got the better of him on the issue of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and he treated her so dismissively on the issue of abortion I expect it to really hurt him more with women.

Rick Perry has shown tremendous improvement. He got few questions, but each question he got he took the opportunity to hit a home run. His campaign has to be pleased. There is real momentum on the ground for Rick Perry. His polling has trended up and the buzz in Iowa has been growing more and more positive to him. In this, the last debate before Iowa goes to vote, Perry did everything he needed to do to be a real contender. His answers on the 10th Amendment and attacks on Obama and his call for a part time Congress resonated.

Newt Gingrich continues to be strong in foreign policy. His two major vulnerabilities are Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae and the individual mandate. I continue to be amazed at how poorly he handles those answers.

Mitt Romney performed well. But he continues to have little humor with handling his flip-flops, which will make the Democrats all the more eager to go after him on those. His best line of the night was comparing his corporate restructuring role to what Barack Obama did to General Motors. It was a brilliant comparison.

Oddly enough, I think one of the best answers of the night came from Jon Huntsman. He was asked about not signing the taxpayer pledge and his answer was basically, “I’m not playing your game.” It is refreshing to see a candidate who really just doesn’t seem to give a darn about the way others expect him to play the game. Truth be told, we really do put candidates through a dog and pony show and Huntsman seems to not suffer the fools who want him to go through the dog and pony show. I can respect that. Of course that might also be why he is polling so low.

But I expect him to keep going up in New Hampshire.

Ron Paul proved yet again that while he can hit all the right notes on economics and spending these days, he is too nuts on foreign policy to be trusted with the Presidency.

Rick Santorum was not angry last night. But he also strikes me as finally getting the joke. He’ll do better than some expect in Iowa. But the curtain will come down after that.


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I thought Paul and maybe Newt were the only ones maybe hurt

momac Friday, December 16th at 5:01AM EDT (link)

I was pretty impressed all around really. I like Perry, so there was that. In fact I thought the tebow thing was my least favorite part of his night.

Paul truly was very poor once it went to foreign policy. I think those positions could be staked out and defended much better than he did, he sounded nuts.

Bachmann did get to Newt, but like people said before me, the “I’m a serious candidate…” line was terrible. I think she was static, and took a piece of Newt’s hide. He doesn’t seem to know the difference between private and public money, and I doubt he cares.

My biggest surprise of the night was liking Romney more. The fact that he actually has at least a basic trust in markets and knowledge of economics enough to dismiss picking future trends was very refreshing.

Santorum was so different it was weird. Why was he so grumpy before if he can be like he was tonight? And Huntsman wasn’t awful either.

My problem with Newt continues to be his arrogance, inability to really accept or admit mistakes, and his love of government solutions as the default instead of doing nothing as the default. No way for me to vote Newt.

Newt was not hurt

backgammon Friday, December 16th at 7:28AM EDT (link)

Newt was once again the most informed. They all have something I dislike but anyone of them can and will beat Obama.
I can still be moved but I like the Ricks & Newt.

Newt

josephine (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:22AM EDT (link)

I have to disagree about Bachmann. I never do like her performance. I say performance,because that is what it is. As a woman I am harder on the women. I want to see more sophistication in the soul. She tried and I guess she had some effect but there is no doubt in my mind that the country needs the savvy and the brains of Newt Gingrich. He is realistic and knows the way of the world. He will surround himself with bulldogs that can straighten out this mess we’re in. Niki Haley is wrong to endorse Romney. She dropped in my eyes with that endorsement. He is a yes man and that is the last thing we need.
I thought Ron Paul was senile. I always agree with Santorum.
I believe Newt had a great night. Anytime you spend that much time in Washington in that responsible of a position,you will not please everyone. He can get it done. I wonder about Ron Paul’s supporters.If there are that many Ron Paul supporters in Iowa, I wonder about Iowa. How is Ron Paul going to strike 1 trillion dollars off the budget? He has not given any explanation and he would be to the left of Obama in foreign policy. Romney says nothing. He deflects questions with rhetoric.

In the 2008 campaign, Ron Paul called for

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:30AM EDT (link)

the elimination of the CIA and an 80% cut in the DoD….

So one can guess where his priorities are in terms of budget cutting….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Ron Paul wasted our time.

cbartlett Friday, December 16th at 12:03PM EDT (link)

There is no way he will be the nominee nor could he ever be a serious challenger to Obama. Last night he got too many questions, too many followups and wasted time that could have been better spent on issues from any of the others. His followers are as crazy as he is. Somebody snuck around after dark and has already put campaign signs out for him in our small town. Seriously? The primary in Texas is in March. Never mind that most of the signs were placed in locations that violate the City sign ordinance – they will probably be trashed by city inspectors after the holidays. Pathetic. We dealt with these people at highway department public meetings back in ’08. His supporters would show up with campaign literature for him just because they knew there would be a crowd – they had absolutely nothing of value to contribute to the public meetings. Our consultant team nicknamed them “Ron Paulians” – after the Romulans in Star Trek.

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln

Place the blame accurately, cbartlett. The media wasted our time...

acat (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 10:53AM EDT (link)

The media – including Fox News – decide the minimum level they require to let a candidate on the stage, after all.

Ron Paul has never had a wing nor a prayer of winning the nomination. Letting him in is a way to get his fanboys to tune in, nothing more.

I’ve been referring to them as Paulistines because they’re noisome and aggressive but have little long-term ability to effect change.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

Paulistinians

Dave_A (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 5:21AM EDT (link)

Is a good term for them….

Comparing political insurgents to actual insurgents…

Not to mention the whole destroy-America-as-a-world-power thing… And the Paul supporters love of making excuses for our enemies….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 
 

josephine

scottb Friday, December 16th at 9:43AM EDT (link)

right on. It will be a cold day in h– when Bachmann can get to Newt.
Newt done great as usual. Mitt gain points in my opinion by not going on the attach. Perry also done a good job and he is doing better. Ron Paul was just being Ron Paul if you know what I mean. The rest were just there!

 

Right

gmscan Friday, December 16th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

I like Bachmann a lot when she is positive, but when she attacks she seems brittle and mean. She hurts herself more than the person she is attacking.

 

Newt

forgiven Friday, December 16th at 12:04PM EDT (link)

I just cannot wrap my mind and heart around having our own Charles & Camilla in the castle. The fact that they were commiting adultry for 7 or 8 yrs. while he was married is just so dreadful. She would be our first lady and no matter how “brilliant” he is considered to be, he could have just divorced his 2nd wife and not done this shameful charade for the sake of politics.
He was compromised in his fight with Clinton by these facts being known by Clinton’s henchmen and we do not know that he would not be unfaithful to his conservative principles again if he could so readilly lay them aside before.
I cannot look at them w/o thinking of their shameful past.

 

Rootin' 4 Noot!

Nevile Saturday, December 17th at 5:38AM EDT (link)

I have to agree about Bachmann. She always sounds like she is shouting. As Samuel johnson once said: ” A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.” She is lost in the minutia of details and is not able to see clearly to the big picture.

Ron Paul is well past his sell-by date and needs to be put out to pasture. Obama would rip him to shreds in a debate. He would be a disaster as president.

I like what Gutfeld said about Perry, that he has a great future pitching Viagra on TV.

Romney is competent, but a little too cautious, perhaps, to be as effective as he should be.

Gingrich, on the other hand, has boldness and vision, not to mention an instinctive grasp of the relevant essentials of each issue. I think he would be extremely effective, and put the bolshies running the dem party to rout. The fact that he wants someone like Bolton as his Secretary of State indicates to me that he wont put up with any nonsense from our adversaries abroad.

"Ron Paul is well past his sell-by date"

texasjohn Saturday, December 17th at 10:27AM EDT (link)

LOL, best description I’ve heard yet!

1 Cor. 1:18 “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those of us who are being saved, it is the power of God.” (NIV)

 
 
 

Informed? Only to the ignorant.

citizenkh (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:40AM EDT (link)

Canadian crude to the “Houston Refinery Complex”??????

Oh puhleeze, as only one medium sized refinery in Houston has the ability to very heavy crude, Lyondell. I guess he means the offices of refiners in Houston. The pipeline terminates exactly where it needs to, Nederland, TX where it can the be transferred to pipelines traveling to two (out of 4) of the very heavy crude refining centers, Port Arthur, TX and Lake Charles, LA where it can kick Venezuelan imports to the curb.

Perry had already stated that it replaces Venezuelan crude

Another “Big Idea” like a pile of cow flop on the dining room table.

Puhleeze

dmacc799 Friday, December 16th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

They all say Houston because it is the big city everyone knows. Nederland is only 90 miles from downtown Houston, so no big deal. Not much of a point you made. If you don’t like Perry, just say so. Come on.

 

Puhleeze

dmacc799 Friday, December 16th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

They all say Houston because it is the big city everyone knows. Nederland is only 90 miles from downtown Houston, so no big deal. Not much of a point you made. If you don’t like Perry, just say so. Come on.

To Be Called Houston

notpropagandized Friday, December 16th at 11:18AM EDT (link)

Took the words right out of my keyboard. Despite being very attackable, Gingrich knows his stuff. Everyone knows that energy largely emanates from Houston. But if I lived in Nederland, Port Arthur, etc, it would nick me a little to be called Houston.

It goes to show

citizenkh (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:43AM EDT (link)

how ignorant that the public is regarding Keystone and Canadian Syncrude. Only one candidate has rightfully referred to it as replacing Venezuelan crude. Others have stated repeatedly that it replaces Middle Eastern crude, nothing could be further from the truth.

We're On A Broadbrush Energy Frequency

notpropagandized Friday, December 16th at 1:51PM EDT (link)

No one is really sweating the details from public policy standpoint because of the ourtrageousness of our domestic energy policy. Because of unjustifiable (extremist environmental) opposition to fossil fuels, more specifically, petroleum fuels (vs coal), other critically important issues (foreign energy trade, funding enemies, etc) are being grossly mismanaged.

We have the existing trajectory and responsible means to be energy independent in a matter of years thanks to some residual freedom in the market and the wonders of responsible technology. The goal of untethering ourselves from enemy-energy is so urgent that in contrast to Dem tethers we’re not indulging in the details of managing supplies of heavy vs light crude.

Step back a little and look at Dem rendering CO2 as a pollutant. CO2 is a vital gas to sustain life on earth. The worst of it is that it diverts attention from REAL pollutants that need regulation and infrastructure to keep separated from the natural environment.

A word on the GlobalWarming scam. CO2 is still a trace gas in air. It has elevated from 0.5+ to 0.8 percent roughly. But we also know that greater concentrations of CO2 in air also promote (accelerate) plant growth. More plant growth yields more oxygen that is typically supplied by the plant kingdom to our air. We need to be serious about the environment and that includes ending the inane frivolity of classifying CO2 as a pollutant and resuming our focus on the known and unknown environmental contents that harm and retard wholesome life for humans and the entirety of creation that enrich our existence.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Good analysis

bjames Friday, December 16th at 8:24AM EDT (link)

Perry’s Tebow analogy seemed a little gimmicky, but maybe that will play well in Iowa, who knows. To me, he still just doesn’t seem that comfortable in discussing national issues, which is too bad because he would be our best option as a top tier candidate.

Ron Paul is the only candidate for whom I would probably stay home if he were the nominee. His foreign policy is naive, juvenile and to the way left of Obama’s. At least Obama will often times do the right thing on national security out of political expediency. Paul is too rigid to bend on there and too even rigid to accept good conservative legislation, like Ryan’s Plan, making me wonder how his candidacy would be a measurable upgrade from Obama.

Newt can, at times, say some brilliant things and crystallize an issue perfectly – his answer on Keystone Pipeline was outstanding, but his argument for advising/lobbying for Freddie was incoherent and indefensible. Bachmann left him bloody on that point.

I’ve said this before, if I’m going to take a chance on a conservative lion, I better be getting someone like Jim DeMint. With Newt, you get all of the perception of a fierce conservative without all the benefit, to go along with all his personal baggage.

I thought Romney did look good and is probably my reluctant 1st choice now but might take a look at Huntsman if he surges.

Some Overlooked Newt Positives; Fatal Flaw

notpropagandized Friday, December 16th at 11:30AM EDT (link)

Newt is unquestionably part of Washington Establishment which includes both Dems+Reps. But Newt’s DNA is saturated with rebellion. But it’s also saturated with a drive to know and to be correct. Obviously, he’s not always correct, but he also can listen and observe when the People’s righteous indignation speaks out. He can correct his course despite the impression of arrogance he gives. Where Romney might cave-in, Gingrich will fight until he figures out a way to acheive the principle and the right course.

There is concern about Newt building a devoted team to keep him on the tracks that he won’t estrange and undermine with his view of his correctness. He need relationships with people that are separated from him and that will hold him accountable. It seems he will nearly always lose confidence of those who work with him and get tired of his taking them for granted and being dismissive. This is speculative however, but consistent with what we see from the outside. Maybe this is his fatal flaw.

Loyal opposition

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:55PM EDT (link)

That’s what the quality you’ve described in your last paragraph, i.e. of having someone in a position of authority who has those under their authority who are willing to speak up when the person in authority is in the wrong, going off in the wrong direction, making choices that aren’t wise, letting things like ambition or ego get the better or them, or just generally acting in a manner that is self-centered. Those people fill an important role of providing loyal opposition, and a person in authority who is wise will choose people with strong backbones to make sure he has checks and balances in place.

It’s probably one of the biggest weaknesses that Obama has, because he’s surrounded himself with people who placate to him, perpetual “Yes” people, feeding his ego and kow-towing to him night and day.

 

Why would Newt

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:16PM EDT (link)

build an administration with people “to keep him in check” when Newt has always, and I believe still does, think he is the smartest guy in the room. If you went back to the people who worked with him when he was Speaker, it has been said that Newt would start out with one idea in the morning, and by the end of the day, if not by lunch, he had already changed his mind and decided to go another with that issue. Apparently his mind was always spinning, and with that he had those working for him constantly spinning and going in different directions. Can he have changed that much since then when he still considers himself the guy with all the ideas and solutions. Who could or would Newt have in his administration that he would even listen to? From what I’m reading, Newt doesn’t have any advisers in his campaign, and he is acting as his own adviser. Isn’t that at least partly why he had a mass exodus of staff early in his campaign. I really don’t believe that just because Newt has turned 68 and is a grandfather that the leopard has changed his spots. Newt just knows it all and be danged with anyone else.

your first sentence is right on

bk (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

From the post you replied to: “But Newt’s DNA is … also saturated with a drive to know and to be correct.” In Newt’s world, it’s a given that whatever he does is correct, even if it’s a different thing on one day than the next.

 
 
 
 

I liked Romney last night, also....

Spartan4Life (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:04PM EDT (link)

I thought the exchange where Newt congratulated him on the new Ryan Wyden proposal and Mitt talked about it being a great day for the country was one of the best in any debate ever.

I was proud of our team tonight.

I did decide that if my guy doesn’t make it and it comes down to Newt vs. Mitt, I am going to vote for Romney. I think they would both do well against Obama but Romney’s age and good looks will help him in the general.

Good looks???

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:14PM EDT (link)

Okay, I’ll say that last night was the first time I’d actually seen Romney display any kind of animation to speak of, and I thought that was a good thing.

But good looks? You think good looks will help him in the general? Against the left and Obama? You think that’s what will draw people to him?

I’m a female, and there’s next to nothing about Romney that I find attractive. Then again, I’m the kind of female who doesn’t buy into evaluating people on the basis of superficial elements, like “good looks”. I look more at character, substance, demeanor, how they respond to situation, what their priorities are, how they present themselves, what their goals are, etc.

In the context of character, Romney is a moderate at best and says so himself. He’s got a history of making decisions based on what’s popular at the time rather than what is actually the best option or the wisest course of action to take (Romneycare being a great example). More or less, what that tells me is that man is someone who can be very easily swayed…far more so than we need at this time.

The only way I’d vote for Romney is if my options are Romney or Obama. That’s all, and that’s because I want Obama out of there, not because I would actually CHOOSE Romney.

 

You are pathetic

heraklios Friday, December 16th at 4:19PM EDT (link)

Did you really mean to say this? I think they would both do well against Obama but “Romney’s age and good looks” will help him in the general.

Given the problems our country faces today is the best we can do is nominate someone because we think their physical appearance will help us win the election? I assume you are a woman. I have heard similar comments at times from Republican women that somehow Romney is “good looking”, more “manly” than the other candidates, or somehow the “alpha male leader” This is boirne out in polls where woman far more than men state a preference for Romney.

Let me let you in on a secret, women. This candidate you describe as a “good looking, strong leader” is actually a wuss. He is a people pleaser; will say anything to get what he wants. He has no backbone or convictions whatsoever. Women always get fooled by men like Romney who are slick salesmen. Men evaluating other men, on the other hand, see Romney for what he really is and will vote accordingly. Women, choose the real thing, an authentic, strong, conservative leader, and don’t fall for the player who pretends to be these things but is actually the opposite.

Broad brush, heraklios

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:27PM EDT (link)

I don’t want to sound like a feminazi here, but NO, women do not always get fooled by the slick salesman type. Some of us, like myself, actually look for more in men, and even more than that in a leader, LOL.

Watch the broad brush, please. You make my entire sex sound like mindless nincompoops.

 

Uh, Pathetic? Really?

Spartan4Life (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:44PM EDT (link)

Man, I just made an observation. What are you all sensitive about?

There is no difference on the issues between Newt and Romney on the issues. I am capable of supporting either one.

In case you haven’t noticed, Newt is a portly 68 year old. If you don’t think that matters in the age of television then fill my pipe with some of that.

Chill brother.

I agree

curlygirlconservative Saturday, December 17th at 2:34AM EDT (link)

Romney will look better to the majority of clueless (i.e. not political junky) Americans next to Obama… as opposed to Newt. Newt looks like the old white guy republican. Sorry, call it like I see it. Romney is a good looking guy. That being said many of the candidates are fairly attractive on the surface (not Newt or Paul). Don’t kid yourself for a minute that looks don’t matter – Obama is a PERFECT example.

 
 
 
 
 

Concur...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:22AM EDT (link)

…and this should help the Evangelicals endorse Perry [because they will pragmatically recognize, as did Luntz, that Michele did no more than to have solidified her base].

More specific corroboration is being comprehensively composed….

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

as promised...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:12AM EDT (link)

…note the posting of 7:11 a.m.; it is numbered so that each item can be scrutinized for accuracy.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

To Perry campaign: here's a hot button issue for the Gov to talk about today in IA: Obama attacks farm kids

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 7:21AM EDT (link)

The Dept of Labor wants to make it illegal for kids to work on the family farm. For those of us that grew up hanging off the back of a tractor, bouncing around in the back of a pick up truck with no seat belt, detassling corn in sweltering heat, baling hay, helping Dad castrate livestock, grooming, training and meticulously fitting a barrow or steer for the county fair, this is an outrage.

“The Dept of Labor v. American Farm Kids”, by Josiah Cantrall appears today at www.americanthinker.com Nothing will be more appalling to the farmers in IA as the Perry bus tour rolls across the state as the prospect of Big Brother sticking their nose into the sanctity of the family farm. Farms are where character is built. This is a tradition in America and once again, we have a president that wants to declare war on something that is treasured and revered. Why is the Dept of Labor doing this? So unionized labor can step in. After, of course, this administration has bankrupted family farms, shut down their production with EPA standards.

Dr. S, we await your complete debate analysis. In the interium, Gov Nikki Haley just endorsed Romney. Not good news for all contenders needing to do well in SC, which is all of them.

I don't entirely agree with this

Death_of_the_Donkey (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:02AM EDT (link)

If I am not mistaken (and if I am disregard the rest of this comment), this new application of labor laws ONLY applies to incorporated farms (ie not family ones). And if that is the case, then incorporated farms should be treated no differently under the law than any other corporation. They should not get to say “hey, we want all the benefits of being incorporated, but we don’t want to follow the rules other corporations have to”.

Actually, the government should get out of farming completely

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:34AM EDT (link)

with the exception of food-safety standards for food sold commercially (a/o consumed by the farmer’s family)…

Cut off subsidies, special exemptions, and so on – and let the market determine who farms in America, rather than enacting mounds of legislation to protect the romanticized ‘family farm’ – most of which ends up benefiting commercial operations more than anything else…

Personally, I’d think you’d see a market dominated by industrialized agriculgure – but I also think that would be a good thing, if that’s what the market determined…

Farming is one of the most heavily government-subsidized and ‘protected’ economic activities in the USA…

It’s time for that to change….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Farm subsidies should go; the family farm should not

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 9:16AM EDT (link)

and unless you grew up on the farm as a descendent of generation upon generation of family farmers, of course, you don’t get the argument. My earlier post does not strike a cord with those having no understanding of or empathy for the wholesomeness of the country life or the irreplaceable lessons of life that lifestyle offers. It’s the backbone society of our country and its fading by the day. This encroachment of the federal govt. will help expedite its demise.

I’ve written here at RS a number of times about my total disagreement with ethanol subsidizes and other govt. hand-out’s at a time when farm land values have quadrupled, as have market prices for grain. I wrote just 2 days ago here that corn is for food, not fuel.

The ‘romance’ of corporate farming has been tried and has failed in the past around the world and yet it remains in practice today in societies governed by socialist regimes. There is a wealth of telling research on the topic regarding Russia alone. Whether its subsidies or complete govt take-over, government interference and obstruction into the family farm unit is destructive.

The American Thinker article I referenced today is not the first discussion of this issue. Again, if research is done, you’ll find that most American farms are ‘corporations’ these days so when you comment that this new proposal is applicable only to corporate farms, you still are emcompassing basically 100% of American farms.

This is a values issue about government overreach and the attempt to destroy farming tradition in this country either by labor laws or those imposed by the environmental agencies and lobby groups. The matter can and obviously will be taken lightly, just as our govt. hopes it will. It’s another attack on the American way of life, American exceptionalism and its done under the radar in hopes those truly affected won’t notice. Extend your research beyond labor proposals and take a look at how the govt intends to shut down the small farmer with impossible fuel usage and air quality standards regarding farm implements. Take a look at what they want to do with water that either runs through a farm or standing water such as a pond. Take a look into what’s being done at the present and proposed for the future regarding seed, fertilizers and herbicides. Ask any successful farmer today what his gross income is and whether or not this idea of ‘taxing the rich’ is going to allow him to stay in business.

This is why I strongly recommend that the Perry campaign grasp this issue because when explained on the campaign trail, Iowan farm families will be outraged as the rest of us engaged (or retired) from farming certainly are. This message can come from no better source on the campaign trail than Rick Perry, the son of tenant farmers and a man that learned early in the life the value of growing up making your living from the land, eyes heavenward, depending only on the mercy of God for your sucess or failure.

I'm for Perry too...

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:32AM EDT (link)

I just tend to believe that the market should decide what sort of farming happens in the US – the government should neither be hostile to nor enact measures to support either ‘family’ or ‘industrial’ farming…

When government manipulates the market to score votes (be it by subsidies, mandates, or tariffs) all participants in the market lose.

Now granted, there’s something to be said for clean air and water – but we’ve gone far beyond that, at this point…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

dcacklam, what measure has the govt taken to support the concept of the family farm?

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

You and I are agreeing more than you think. I do not support farm subsidizes; they have created the entitlement mentality and we cannot afford it anymore. Leaving ground lay fallow and getting paid to not produce is anti-capitalist and if I may go further, anti-American.

My point here—I’ll try to make it one more time and then move on–has nothing to do with the idea of subsidizes, govt. encroachment into the farming industry, whether or not we can afford or should morally allow subsidies. My point here is that there is a culture on the American farm. As part of essential financial structuring, those farms are small businesses and thus, they are filed as such with the IRS and they are ‘corporations’. That’s the business that goes on with the farmer and his accountant. I’m talking about the inherent love of the land, the choice a man and his family can make to eek out a living by scratching in the soil.

It’s about the time honored tradition of teaching your kids to respect the land, our resources and natural habitats. It’s about a kid learning to drive a pickup on a back country road before the govt says its legal. It’s about having the horse sense to know that hunting actually helps sustain and preserve deer populations, not decrease them or abuse animals. It’s about growing up with the notion that the best scent doesn’t cost $100 an ounce from Neimann-Marcus, but rather is the fragrance of fresh cut hay once the evening dew hits it. It’s about 4-H, FAA, small town and farm kids beating the heck out of each other under the Friday night lights in high school football and not having any parents filing assault charges. Its feeling good about what your family does for living because you know the labor of your hands is feeding the world and starving people don’t care a wit about bovine flatulence.

I’m writing about the values taught to kids growing up on the farm where the very basics of human existence are stark and there’s little room for gray areas. Farm life is reality, not the Kardashian sisters hopping from one beauty salon to the next. Farm kids are taught to automatically be aware of a neighbor in need and to offer a hand to help finish the harvest when a guy’s hit on some hard luck. It’s about knowing how to survive; how to make it out in the country when there’s been an ice storm and no power for days and no electric pumps to bring water up to the surface for the livestock and being able to figure out what to do. BTW, those types of reactions and answers to problems aren’t taught at Yale or Harvard. The Beltway Boys want their steak done to perfection at their favorite posh NYC spot but they are clueless about what it takes to get that beef to the table. A farm kid knows. It’s about knowing which hardwoods burn best in the stove when its below zero rather than getting a govt. handout if you’ll plant a few pines in a fence row, all in the cause of going green or saving the planet.

This is a part of America that is slipping away. All the fiscal and tax issues and whether or not a farmer has incorporated his operation or not is moot to my point. It’s about a govt. and a current administration that wants the family to break down. What’s the core essence of the family farm? The family. How can they accomplish the demise of the family structure that exists within the family farm? They have to be covert and use govt programs and restrictions and fines and penalties and impede the function so drastically that the For Sale sign goes on the gate and the family moves to town.

We have a govt. that is intent on killing the family and the family farm by a death of a 1000 cuts. By the time we feel the pain and see the blood starting to pool at our feet, we’ve missed the chance to beat it back.

Still didn’t make my point? That’s probably because I’m an old farm kid that learned to read and write in a small rural elementary school. My first grade teacher was educated at the time when 2 years of teacher’s college was sufficient to become licensed. Maybe its because my dad was told he couldn’t go past 8th grade because it was the Depression and the farm needed his strong back alot more than he needed more book learnin’. That same boy with an 8th grade education volunteered on his 18th birthday to take the fight to the Germans so his father’s farm and those of his uncles, grandfathers, and neighbors would be preserved. That uneducated boy worked the land for 50 years after returning from the military and with only that 8th grade education under his belt, became a leader in his county and state in developing practical farming and animal husbandry techniques. He was an early pioneer in terrace farming and no-till in the midwest. He could shoe horses, repair a grain head in the middle of a field with nothing more than pliers and baling wire, he could predict the weather, knew how to mix the right combination of antibiotics for an ailing sow or bull. He was respected, admired and his advice was frequently sought. That’s the kind of people that emerge from the American family farm. For those that don’t get it, my sympathies to you.

I'm not saying that subsidies actually help family farmers...

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

But that sure as hell is what’s pitched when the laws are passed.

And I do tend to believe that it does distort the market – this conclusion being based on the belief that in a ‘level playing field’ the economies of scale behind industrial agriculture would dominate the market. Since this isn’t entirely happening, something must be preventing it – and the only ‘something’ it could be is government.

I don’t single out any one industry – read some of my post on ‘zombie manufacturers’ & in opposition to tariffs & preference to US-made goods for proof of that…

What I want to see, is the market determining the economic activities by which Americans make their living, rather than politicians giving preference to any one activity or group of activities. I think this would result in a significant ‘realignment’ of US employment (less manufacturing, more industrial-scale agriculture, significantly more white-collar/service workers), but I also think we’d be stronger for it…

Granted, we’re from different backgrounds – I grew up in the suburbs of Milwaukee & went from the IT biz (the Feds would probably not have liked the idea of a 15yo starting a computer services business, had anyone told them) to 4 years of college to the Army (I’d rather fight the Taliban than work in an office)… So we see things a bit differently at some levels – but the same in others…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 
 

ditto

bobguzzardi Friday, December 16th at 10:11AM EDT (link)

Farm subsidies and exemptions are Republican Pork and as reprehensible as Democratic Pork.

 
 

Except that many family farms are incorporated

Kyle-MI (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:56AM EDT (link)

For the same reason that many small businesses are incorporated. Anyway, there is no reason for the federal government to get involved. The farm states can handle this just fine. It is not as if kids are crossing state lines to work on corporate farms.

 

USA tax structure forces

aggie91 Friday, December 16th at 9:44AM EDT (link)

Most family farms to incorporate. Not to mention liability concerns. Our family farm in Texas is not held as a personal asset of any family member and has not been for decades.

 

USA tax structure forces

aggie91 Friday, December 16th at 9:44AM EDT (link)

Most family farms to incorporate. Not to mention liability concerns. Our family farm in Texas is not held as a personal asset of any family member and has not been for decades.

 

family farms are incorporated

bobguzzardi Friday, December 16th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

Once the major farms are subject to this unnecessary rule, all farms will soon be.

Is there child abuse on farms? My dad forced me to cut the lawn. Was he violating child labor laws. I got paid,though, 25 cents.

Same here

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:17AM EDT (link)

On our ranch, I had to get up well before school hours to feed cattle, horses, and, in the winter, break ice on the tanks. Abuse!!! Child labor laws violated!!! Help me, Eric Holder!!

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Farms are incorporated....

onemovoter (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:26AM EDT (link)

Our family farm is an LLC and has been since we bought it in ’74. Every farm around us is an LLC. These rules on child labor will not only impact family farms, but 4-H programs, FFA (future farmers of America) and many other farm related programs that work to get the next generation of farmers and ranchers into the business.

This proposed regulation is an affront to the entire US agriculture business. Not to mention more bureaucrats looking into every corner of business where they shouldn’t be. EPA was even going to try and regulate ….. DUST of all things as a pollutant. That would mean complete changes to crops, gravel roads, ect.

Ok going to stop here before I really get ticked off too much this morning. This crap is why we need Perry as President more than ever.

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Endorsements...

conservativeparrothead Friday, December 16th at 12:45PM EDT (link)

Very interesting, in that you start to get Conservative politicians whom many of their enthusiastic supporters are strong conservatives seem to be endorsing the candidate who is having a very difficult time connecting to those types of supporters.

John Thune and Nikki Haley come immediately to mind. Just going to be interesting to see who else comes out.

Just out of curiosity? Who are Newt Gingrich’s major endorsements?

 

Endorsements...

conservativeparrothead Friday, December 16th at 12:45PM EDT (link)

Very interesting, in that you start to get Conservative politicians whom many of their enthusiastic supporters are strong conservatives seem to be endorsing the candidate who is having a very difficult time connecting to those types of supporters.

John Thune and Nikki Haley come immediately to mind. Just going to be interesting to see who else comes out.

Just out of curiosity? Who are Newt Gingrich’s major endorsements?

 
 

Excuse Me???

ggross56 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

I wrote here that Michele got exposed when she fibbed, saying that Newt wasn’t consistently pro-life:

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-minneapolis/gingrich-corrects-michele-bachmann-s-accusations

Newt called her bluff, then embarassed her with facts. TWICE.

Check out my article if you’d like. While Erick paid attention, I factored truth-telling into the debate performances.

 

Perry... sigh

curlygirlconservative Saturday, December 17th at 2:37AM EDT (link)

I wish he would rise. I think I’m going to vote for him anyway.

 
 

My guess is that Perry became the anti Newt tonight

center77 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:42AM EDT (link)

and since it seems Newt is dropping that may help Perry. Bachmann seems to have decided to be the attack dog for everyone, and begging to look like a serious candidate made her look unserious. Huntsman once again decided he likes being a favorite of the left. Mitt Romney may have turned a few heads, but I still can’t stand him. Paul is just Paul.

Now about Newt, I think its out of his hands. His campaign is getting exposed, and the very fact so many liberal commentators are going to bat for him after these debates should tell us something, they want to face Newt, because even though some of the gop have decided his past does not matter, in a likelyhood the middle will not care how good he can debate, that’s why that’s all he talks about. Too me he really thinks people believe he got paid 30,000 an hour to give advice to Freddie MAC, I just to not think that many people have received the gardasil shot. He cannot have gotten paid NBA money for anything less than bringing something to the table Luke conservative votes.

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Perry comeback

votemout2012 Friday, December 16th at 9:47AM EDT (link)

I think Perry is making a comeback which is why Fox gave him little opportunity to answer questions. Fox knows Perry will be the one to really challenge Romney so they are giving him little or no coverage. I have really had my eyes opened w/ their coverage of this election. They have been pathetic.

Uh-greed! They've tried their best to keep him down.....

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 9:57AM EDT (link)

……….ain’t werkin’ .

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

Rick Perry v. Obama Socialism

bobguzzardi Friday, December 16th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

Rick Perry is the Texas Model of job creation which works in the real world. Jobs and Energy are the key to reviving the economy. Rick Perry is mirror of Obama; the individual v. the collective.

Increasing the energy sector nationwide...

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:48AM EDT (link)

is the ONLY free-market solution to the problem of ‘walking dead’ manufacturing firms currently kept alive by tariffs and subsidies…

Conservative orthodoxy requires that these firms be allowed to fail or move overseas, rather than be propped up by government in the name of ‘saving American jobs’ (As if a job actually belongs to this country, rather than to the owner of the company)….

However, moderates & independants demand a ‘solution’ to the unemployment situation – and the present unemployment problem is heavily biased towards those who lack the job skills to move into the modern, post-industrial (read white collar, degree-required) economy…

Freeing the energy sector from onerous regulations & the obstructionisim of the Obama administration provides a free-market solution – an industry that can’t be outsourced for geographic reasons (the work is kind of tied to where the oil & gas are), which has jobs not only for white-collar workers, but for those displaced from the unsustainable, non-competitive union-dominated manufacturing sector as well.

‘Drill Here, Drill Now’ is our economic salvation… It’s a product the whole world needs, that we happen to have large quantities of (by way of fracking, etc)…

Might as well put it on the market, and resurrect the US economy at the same time….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 

They seem to go out of their way to ignore him

texabama Friday, December 16th at 10:01AM EDT (link)

It’s very telling when they list candidates and manage to get the other “lower tier” candidates like Huntsman and Santorum, but somehow forget Perry. They only seem to remember him if they incorporate it as an “oops” moment.

Perry handled Bachmann better than Newt

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:04AM EDT (link)

SO imagine Newt up against Obama….
Will he look flustered and turn red like he did
when Bachmann was going after him on his Fannie Mae money?

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

I will never forget the attacks on Perry.

cheetah2 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:02AM EDT (link)

In the early debates Perry was relentlessly attacked by Bachmann. The debate where she and Santorum ganged up on him about the guardasil EO was beyond anything dished out for Gingrich or anyone else. The way they kept going after him even though he had said he regretted his action was just over the top.

I read somewhere that Perry was not used to being attacked from the right that way. He was unprepared for it, yet he remained calm and he was such a gentleman. He never reciprocated the attacks against either of them. I am certain he would never accuse Bachmann of lying the way Gingrich has done repeatedly.

The best thing about Perry’s situation at this point is that he will likely never face such attacks again. I believe he will survive past Iowa and if he (God willing) does, Bachmann and Santorum will not. His next debate will be in a narrowed down field. He will be the only remaining true conservative. There will be less room for attacks against him.

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I won't forget Bachmann's attacks on Perry either

tyman Friday, December 16th at 12:46PM EDT (link)

She was really mean spirited.

The thing about Bachmann that is still sticking with me is that she looks like she is trying to sound smarter than she is.

I remember her comeback when Perry rebutted her accusation that Merck tried to bribe him: “Well, I feel sorry for all the little girls”. Not ONE child was vaccinated under Perry’s EO, and I’m not sure she knew that. I wish that Perry had said that and would have loved to see her facial expression.

I can’t believe Rush keeps throwing her and Santorum’s name around. They may be conservative on paper and in allegiance, but they simply don’t have a record to run on. And they don’t have funding that will help them get the nomination.

What exactly has Bachmann done as an MOC except to spout off all of the things she tried to unsuccessfully stop?

In my opinion, her run for President / book tour has been an embarrassment, and I’ll be surprised if she even gets re-elected.

She ripped Newt for failing to defund Planned Parenthood, I think. When she attacked Gov. Perry, she failed to mention that for all of her passion, she didn’t try to stop a vaccine bill when she was a Minnesota state legislator.

Her sour attitude that Gov. Perry took her support showed an emotional side that I DO NOT want in The White House.

The sooner her and Santorum drop out, the better.

Bachmann seems to guilty of a lot of the things she attacks others for.

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:02PM EDT (link)

no text.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

kowalski *to be

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:11PM EDT (link)

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Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 
 
 

Bachmann completely lost my respect

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

when she attacked Perry over Gardasil (Santorum lost my respect when he endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey in ’04). I hope Perry kicks butt in Iowa; that should put a nail in the coffins of Bachmann’s and Santorum’s campaigns.

For the last 2 or 3 debates, I started praying as soon as a question was posed to Perry; and I prayed until he stopped talking. I did that for the entirety of the debates. I hope it helped him at least a bit. It sure helped me not to be as stressed out. :)

It's the staffing issues with Bachmann

tailfins1959 Friday, December 16th at 3:49PM EDT (link)

With all the staff turnover, I get the idea that she’s not a very nice person. While we are on the topic, what can you say to convince me Perry is a nice person. I have no idea if he is or isn’t.

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Tailfins1959, there's all kinds of evidence that Perry is a nice person.

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 4:43PM EDT (link)

For me, I always look at how a man treats the women in his life, and women in general. Perry clearly adores his wife and daughter, as evidenced by the way he has talked about them in various interviews and forums that I’ve watched. He also has incredible love and respect for his mother (again, see the various interviews). And at one of the earlier debates–one that was conducted sitting rather than standing–all the male candidates came in and sat down, except for Perry, who didn’t sit down until Bachmann had sat down. This was even after Bachmann had unfairly attacked him over the Gardasil thing. Asked why he remained standing, he replied something like, “That’s how my mama raised me.” What a man.

Remember all the times Herman Cain, God love him, attacked Perry? Cain savaged Perry over the whole “N-word rock at the hunting camp” non-issue. Cain also said he’d support anybody, ANYBODY, who got the Republican nomination (even Paul and Huntsman!)–except Perry. And when the first allegations of sexual misconduct arose, Cain himself was the first person to accuse the Perry campaign of being behind the allegations. Cain and his campaign later sort of retracted the allegation when it became clear that it was based on zero evidence. But did Cain or his campaign ever apoogize for any of these stances or statements? No. And did Perry ever say a harsh word about Cain in response to these things? No. But after all of these affronts by Cain, do you remember the debate (I think it was the one that Frank Luntz moderated) in which Cain was discussing when he was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer? Cain got all choked up and was having trouble continuing. Who was it that reached over, patted Cain on the back, and gave him a little reassuring shoulder squeeze? Rick Perry.

I hope this helps.

Well said, racetraitor.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 5:26PM EDT (link)

Well said.

Don’t forget this wonderful picture of the private Perry.
http://www.redstate.com/onemovoter/2011/11/21/the-private-life-of-governor-rick-perry/#comment-404

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
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Thanks, avagreen. And...

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 8:27PM EDT (link)

Go Perry!

 
 

He is a nice person and he is a good person.

cheetah2 (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 2:04AM EDT (link)

Perry talks about the meaning of a vow.

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Cheetah, that was a great video clip..

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 12:33PM EDT (link)

Thanks for sharing!

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I've prayed, too!

tyman Friday, December 16th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

I had to work late and clean up the house last night, so I couldn’t watch the first half of the debate.

But I prayed for Gov. Perry. I hope it’s him, but whoever the nominee will be, they need our sincerest prayers!

 

Perry

curlygirlconservative Saturday, December 17th at 2:41AM EDT (link)

LOL – it’s not good that you have to pray everytime he speaks…. but it’s good you do :) Let’s keep praying for God to raise up leaders in this country (in families, schools, cities, businesses, states and federal level) who truly love Him and serve Him. I personally believe Perry is one of those leaders.

If anything, this election has taught me to trust the Lord

louisianapatriette (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 8:37AM EDT (link)

far more than I ever had in my young life as a Christian. I know He’s used Perry’s trials in MY life; I’m sure He’s used them in HUGE ways for Perry himself! The sight of thousands praying fervently for a candidate blesses my heart and I have no doubt it will have an amazing effect on this race.

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Agree with you

greyeagle Friday, December 16th at 9:56PM EDT (link)

Chris Wallace at FOX news was responsible for those attacks by Bachman and Santorium. He has been responsible for hostile interview of Perry, and I just read an article on the Blaze, when Wallace called Perry a weak candidate. Unfair media coverage, or none at all, regardless on how excellent Perry did in a debate.

 
 
 

texabana, their disregard for Perry

annie54 Friday, December 16th at 11:33AM EDT (link)

has become blatant. I have had my eyes opened by all of them at FOX. I thought there might be some hope for Krauthammer, but he did the same thing in his analysis of the debate last night. Don’t they realize that we see that as the absence of honor?

Another thing: Nikki Haley describes Romney as Reagan-like.

The ONE CANDIDATE who is the most like Ronald Reagan doesn’t “use his name” in an effort to project himself. That’s Rick Perry.

Perry has referred to Ronald Reagan only to state that he switched parties (from Democrat to Republican) at an earlier age than Reagan did.

Perry is his own original and doesn’t have to compare himself to Reagan to become a creditable candidate. He’s not trying to copy anyone. He scares “them” beyond description.

Rick Perry is Rick Perry Period

I agree with this thought....

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:41AM EDT (link)

In sports, for example, people will often say things like, “I wonder who will be the next Michael Jordan or the next Tiger Woods or the next [insert name of athlete here].” And I think all of that is foolish. After all, if someone is going to reach the pinnacle of greatness like a Reagan as president, they are going to be themselves and have a name and a reputation for themselves and not need to wrap themselves in the mantle of greatness of others. I’m glad Perry gets this–not a lot of people in competitive endeavors do, it seems.

'Know what, nathanalbright?

annie54 Friday, December 16th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

I think, if anything, Perry is in competition with Reagan, thus his statement about becoming a Republican at an earlier age than Reagan.

Perry isn’t going to copy anyone. He’s just Rick Perry (and that is a big “JUST”.)

Indeed, that was my point...

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:45PM EDT (link)

….a great person doesn’t wrap themselves in the mantle of great people–but rather sees other greats as motoivation/competition. And in my not-so-humble opinion that’s not a bad thing.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Good show...less so for Newty

michaelbowler Friday, December 16th at 5:52AM EDT (link)

As has been pointed out, Newt’s ideals about government influence in the markets, including GSEs, makes him an excellent progressive candiate…and a really poor conservative candidate.

Newt is a consummate debater, he makes his positions very reasonable, utilizing historical references and excellent spin. Careful analysis reveals a statist, liberal republican with a conservative veneer. Beware…

NEWT'S BIG GOVERNMENT APPROACH!

charlenemae45 Friday, December 16th at 9:38AM EDT (link)

I saw Newt in the same light, I was very uncomfortable with his willingness to involve BIG intrusive Government in our lives. Contrast this BIG Government approach with Perry’s instinct to ”make Government inconsequential in our lives.” I hope Conservatives will soon conclude that Perry is the best of the bunch, not the most articulate, but he’s one of us.

Yes that line that he believed that making sure everyone has a home

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:07AM EDT (link)

Just sounded like Bill Clinton or George Bush…..

Everyone in NOT entitled to a home, unless they can pay for it.
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac is at the root of our depression right now.
The democrats have skimmed billions of the top and Newt is defending it. That was one thing Bachmann got right last night….These GSE’s must be killed.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 
 

Most don't really listen to Newt

texabama Friday, December 16th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

He’s got that professorial tone down pat and like most “students” the average listener isn’t really listening. Newt turns everything into a “lesson” with lots of extraneous information—names, dates, etc. It’s all meant to take your focus off the real topic. At the end he’s usually refocused the discussion on what he wants to talk about and has totally evaded the question.

texabama- That is exactly

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

what VA Atty. Gen. Ken Cuccinelli said after the Huckabee debate, which was the best debate. He was asked the next day if he was satisfied with Gingrich’s answers, and he said that Gingrich never did answer some of the questions. He opens his mouth, and Newt has never been at a loss for words, but he just proceeds to say words that have no meaning. As you said, he tries to change the subject, and bring a focus on what he wants to focus on. If only we had more debates with people who are not willing to allow any of them to babble on and on, just to evade the question, and are smart enough to know it, and say it.

 
 
 

Put any other candidate in Newt's spot, and you would have witnessed an implosion

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:22AM EDT (link)

The past few weeks Newt has been attacked relentlessly from all sides, including the last two debates. Last night was designed to take him down.

Put any other candidate in that spot and they would have imploded.

The fact that Gingrich has maintained a lead and not totally folded says a lot.

He took some hits in the first half but persevered and came back strong in the 2nd half.

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-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

And the Titanic looked OK for hours

hls87 Friday, December 16th at 8:32AM EDT (link)

after the iceberg thing. For weeks after Cain imploded we were treated to story after story about how he was hanging in there. Gingrich’s candidacy is doomed. He’s an utterly implausible presidential candidate, that gets clearer with every debate and every day of campaign activity. He won’t win Iowa or anything else.

You are right.

bjames Friday, December 16th at 8:36AM EDT (link)

Newt is the best communicator in the field and has some awesome zingers, but he would be a disaster in the general once the euphoria of not nominating Romney wore off.

 

and in assessing your opinion, how accurate have your predictions regarding Newt been this far?

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:47PM EDT (link)

This is the problem I have with pundits/writers who are (rhetorically) screaming that Newt is unelectable. A lot of them are the same people who declared his campaign over and still act like it’s a big surprise that Gingrich is the current frontrunner and has been polling at as high as 40% nationally.

Newt

1. led the Republicans to their first House majority in 40 years,

2. rose to third in line to the Presidency,

3.passed 4 balanced budgets

4. acheive the only significant entitlement reform of our time, (at the National level

5. who is known for his intellect exemplary speaking skills – and particularly his debating skills

6 has spent substantial time out of office studying policy and developing think tanks

It really shouldn’t be surprising that a guy with those kinds of acheivements and abilities would do well against:

1. a couple of congresspeople with no significant legislative achievements

2. a one term Governor who governed more like a Democrat, lost seats for Republicans and had no hope of re-election and who lost decisively in 2008 despite outspending his opponents by large margins and having a chief rival who was deeply distrusted by the base

3. a guy from Obama’s administration who doesn’t seem interested in attracting the support of the base

4. a guy who has never previously held any elected office

and

5. a very effective Governor who could be a strong candidate but came in late and not fully prepared.

That Newt would be at least a competitive candidate (if Perry failed to come in and outright dominate the race) was entirely predictable. I’m not surprised to see him as the current front runner – nor, I expect, is any from-the-start Newt supporter. That so many pundits — and even (reportedly) the Romney camp are caught by surprise does not speak well of their foresight.

To call Newt an “utterly implausible Presidential candidate” when his actual accomplishments utterly dwarfs those of any other candidate in the race – strikes me as absurd.

"dwarf" not "dwarfs"

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:50PM EDT (link)

and “achieved” not “achieve”

among other mistakes.

Is there no way to go back and edit?

 
 
 

CC I know Newtie is your guy

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

so you are viewing his debate performance through that prism. I’m not sure what you mean by “imploding”, does that mean he didn’t just start raving like a lunatic, or have a brain freeze? The best I’ve read concerning his performance is that he “held his own.” I’m not so sure that’s correct.

There were two issues that seem to be hurting him the most from last night. One of them was his defense of his time at Freddie Mac. He originally said that he was hired by Freddie as a historian. Last night he came all out in favor of home ownership for all Americans. He has in the past said that he favored mortgages for low income people. By his statements last night, he insured, in the minds of those listening, that he still has not learned the lesson of just what those risky mortgages really did in causing the housing crash. He doesn’t seem to have learned from that. He also supported TARP which came about because of that crash, which was a government solution to a problem brought about by government to begin with. In a past debate, Newt said that Barney Frank should go to jail because of his involvement with Freddie and Fannie. Yet last night, he went right along with Barney’s push for low income home ownership.

The other issue that hurt him, even before the debate last night, was his position of the judiciary. In the past he said that he wanted to eliminate appeals courts, and wanted to subpoena judges to answer for their decisions. That puts the president, and the Congress in a bully position, and more powerful than the judicial branch. He said something last night about judges making decisions that the people didn’t like. Unfortunately, judges make decisions every day that are not popular with the people, but many times are the correct decisions. The solution to that problem is to have a conservative president, who appoints conservative judges that rule according to the constitution, and to nominate constitutionalists for the SC. Some of what he has suggested isn’t even constitutional. Then again, Newt said at one time that the constitution is outdated and needs to be revised to reflect modern days.

Doesn’t any of that bother you?

 

I agree, and would say Newt won

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:03PM EDT (link)

The heat on Newt – for weeks now- has far exceeding anything any other candidate has faced.

Even with that, I was a bit surprised at Fox News taking the beginning of a quote on Freddie Mac out of context – but thought Newt explained it reasonably well — and thought he came out better in the exchange with Bachman ( She looked really bad in that she was obviously trying to twist his words and misrepresent his position especially in light of that fact her claim to the Presidency is basically that despite the fact she’s only been in Congress 5 years and can’t point to any real legislative accomplishments she’s the candidate with the most integrity.)

I thought Bachman looked good on Iran (and comes off as credible on foreign policy in general) and in agreeing with Newt on reining in activist judges but her attacks on Newt gave him the opportunity to call her on her lack of accuracy — which will likely resonate as that’s been a problem for her several times now.

Thought Newt did a great job in highlighting his record to expose how absurd it is to claim he’s not conservative or not capable of discipline.

Think it would serve him well to paint a more balanced view of why Republicans wanted him out as Speaker — whatever other reasons they had, his intense unpopularity with Democrats — and the attacks from them — which caused problems for House Republicans everywhere — were almost certainly a factor.

The Democrats didn’t attack with such abandon because Newt was too moderate. They did it because he was both conservative and effective.

Thought Newt actually handled the Freddie Mac thing reasonably well — Paul and Bachman looked bad for going over the top attacking him. Looked classy when he complimented Romney and highlighted agreement with Bachman (thought Newt’s credit to Romney made him look better than anything Romney said himself) and scored big on every issue that wasn’t in response to a direct attack on him.

Expect Newt delivered the most big applause lines and he looked – by far- the most prepared to be President.

 
 

Good Analysis Erick: Perry and Bachmann won; Nikki Haley to endorse Romney

bzip Friday, December 16th at 6:27AM EDT (link)

I mostly agree with Erick analysis but here is my own take:

Winners:
Perry: Perry stayed out of the fray, one message and attacked Obama. He sounded strong and presidential. Just love that Tebow moment.

Bachmann: She is an attack horse. She exposed Newt for big gov’t, supportive of GSE’s, his lobbying with Freddie and Fannie and abortion. The problem – she lost points with the “serious candidate” remark. It plays right into the narrative of her not being very presidential.

Middle Ground: Rick Santurom, nothing bad, nothing great.

Losers:
Newt: Newt was exposed for everything that people have been concerned about. Exposed for not being as conservative as most of the other candidates.

Ron Paul: He was exposed for who he is and why he should never get the nomination. Again Bachmann did excellent at exposing Paul.

Romney: Exposed as the flip flopper he is. Romney did manage to keep his composure this time. I am worried though and concerned. Nikki Haley to endorse Romney, that is concerning and shocking;
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/nikki-haley-to-endorse-romney-107739.html

The media is all over the place on this debate as to who won and who lost. None of the media outlets seem to agree or have a consensus as to who won or lost. Though I like the one from Washington Post, it is the closest to my own take:
Perry and Bachmann winners and Newt and Paul losers:

Iowa Republican debate: Winners and losers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/iowa-republican-debate-winners-and-losers/2011/12/15/gIQA2lfCxO_blog.html

 

A MUST READ & PASS ON: Newt's part in Obamacare & the Stimulus much worse than we think

tricianc (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:58AM EDT (link)

NOT liking this. A MUST READ article. I know it’s the NY Times but forget that for a few minutes and read the article. Trust me, it is very enlightening. This is not in the distant past either, this is in 2008 right before the Obama election advocating for Obama to address healthcare. It was during the healthcare debate with Gingrich praising and advocating for many of the things conservatives despise most in the Obamacare bill and the Stimulus. It also addresses Gingrich’s praise for Obama and the Democrats with regards to what they accomplished for healthcare.

Here’s the article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/us/politics/gingrichs-health-care-policy-history-at-odds-with-gop.html?_r=1&hp

After reading the article, as I do with all things, I looked up the op-ed mentioned in the NYT article that Gingrich wrote with a Democrat. Through his not “lobbying” Gingrich went around the company working for others pushing for Natioanl Health Records and the Comparative Effectiveness Research, etc. So, while the rest of us were scared to death of Obamacare and the Stimulus and were doing all we could to fight this…Newt was working against us the whole time.

Here’s Newt’s Op-Ed: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/28/next-president-must-put-health-in-health-care/?page=all

Please read these and pass these on. There is no way he’s a conservative. This is Big Government through and through. He may truly feel these things are right for us, for out country but they are not. Newt is for Newt.

What about Newt and NAFTA??

aurora1920 Friday, December 16th at 7:32AM EDT (link)

What amazes me about the Newt discussion vis a vis Romney is that NOBODY (including Romney) has responded to Newt’s taking up the
Democrat’s charge that Mitt sent jobs off shore with the OBVIOUS response.

Which is: “But it was YOU, Mr. Gingrich, who was key player (along with Bill Clinton} in passing the legislation that INVITED me and every other businessman and company to move off shore! Not only that, the Republican Party then passed all sorts of tax breaks to make that move even more profitable!”

Because the GOP (and true Conservatives) support NAFTA

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

There is no room in the party for Buchanan protectionists.

Tariffs are just another form of government subsidy – and a form of both corporate and individual welfare.

NAFTA was a small step in the right direction…. We’ve since followed up with many, many more such agreements, to the tremendous advantage of most Americans.

Yes, unionized manufacturing has suffered, but that’s what should happen to the bloated zombie-firms that can’t compete on the open market without govt knocking out their competition…

If you’re against free trade, than maybe you should be a union Democrat….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 

Look at the deviousness of his character......

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 7:34AM EDT (link)

During the Bush administration, he was a leading Republican advocate for the costly expansion of Medicare, which many in his party now regret. And he and his center pushed some policies that are reflected in Mr. Obama’s health care record — a record Mr. Gingrich regularly criticizes on the campaign trail. All the while, his center functioned as a sort of high-priced club where companies joined him in working the corridors of power in Washington and in state capitals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/us/politics/gingrichs-health-care-policy-history-at-odds-with-gop.html?_r=2&hp

How’s that for talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time?

He has no conscience.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

Bachmann left out Santorum

republicanconscience Friday, December 16th at 7:04AM EDT (link)

Bachmann missed the opportunity to dismiss Santorum form the race. She did not remind the public that Santorum campaigned for and endorsed Christie Todd Whtitman during her GOP Primary challenge for reelection in 1997, against Murray Sabrin a strong Pro-life candidate. Whitman vetoed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, and Whitman’s veto was over turned by a bipartisan state legislature in both houses then, her Supreme Court declared the ban “Unconstitutional.” Nancy Pelosie could not have picked a more radical Supreme Court than Whitman this is the same court that ruled Homosexuals have a right to become troop leaders in the Boy Scouts, a private religious organization. The same court that allowed Torricelli to be swapped for Lautenburg, in a U. S. Senate race 60 days prior to the election when the law required 100 days. Santorum cannot be trusted.

Don’t forget the Santorum also campaigned for and endorsed Arlen Specter in his GOP primary for reelection against Pat Toomey.

I was in the fight to rid the state of the most radical pro-abortion amoral Governor New Jersey ever had, when Santorum, the poster child of National and New Jersey Right to Life, came and delivered the Pro-Life vote to Whitman a scoundrel at best.

“Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.” – Thomas Jefferson

in many respects...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:46AM EDT (link)

…this illustrates her focus on debunking the priority-targets.

She did this to her political detriment, but someone had to take-down The Newt effectively, and someone had to decimate Paul definitively.

This is admirable [and that's why Guzzardi and I each gave her $180].

She is a patriot!

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

Rick Santorum -Pro Life? Small Gov?

bobguzzardi Friday, December 16th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

Rick Santorum, actively, campaigned for Big Government Porker Arlen Specter against real deal small government conservative Pat Toomey.

Arlen Specter is aggressively pro abortion.

 
 

AGGREGATE RESPONSE to this thread...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:11AM EDT (link)

*

1. Let’s see if we can be dispassionate; for example, Jennifer Rubin is being lambasted for [predictably] having declared Mitt was the victor.

2. I was unable to access the Luntz website and I monitored Dick Morris as well as RS; the Morris twitters were as disparate from the RS comments as were the biased conclusions reached by Rubin.

3. The reaction to Perry’s Tebow-citation will be contingent upon baseline attitudes; if you like him, you like it [and v.v.]. But it was inserted purposefully to remind the Evangelicals of his proclivities and I do not recall either Santorum/Bachmann having made a comparable reference.

4. The Newt’s having praised FDR’s court-packing effort was a low-point; not only did it represent a blatant abuse of executive jawboning, but it also was intended to bully the SCOTUS to accept his progressive legislation.

5. The Newt admitted that he did not try to “purge” Republicans who supported Third-Trimester-Abortions; this will provide the Evangelicals a motivator to endorse someone else. Note: http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/28/iowa-christian-conservatives-split-on-gingrichs-right-to-life-record/.

6. “Supergirl2911? summarized The Newt: “I am tired for Newt. I have never once changed my positions for any payment.- Newt Gringrich. [Ouch].
I only choose to work with people I share values with. [How about Pelosi?]
I really value people having a house to live in. [You COULD NOT make this stuff up.] He just compared himself to Reagan. [Really?]”

7. That Cavuto/Wallace said Bachmann/Perry won, this is HUGE, particularly when he noted that they weren’t positioned center-stage. They
were corroborated by Juan Williams; Krauthammer discussed the others tersely and tastefully [but not particularly incisively, which is surprising].

8. The questions were superb, for they were both balanced [among each candidate] and focused [based on prior statements/actions of each candidate]; also, the topics [particularly the SCOTUS and Foreign Policy] had been overlooked…so O’Reilly is going to have to ‘fess-up to Megyn.

9. Perry’s line ["Don't believe everything you read in the Austin American Statesman."] can be corroborated; I have signed-up during recent weeks, and it appears to be replete with attacks that are not corroborated elsewhere.

10. Krauthammer, et al. recognized that Perry did well [and had improved]; that level of self-awareness [ensuring he didn't appear tongue-tied] was reflected in his final comment [combining truth and self-deprecation in a charming fashion].

11. Kyle characterized Megyn as “that annoying girl that every high school had…who managed to be perky, pushy, organized, and annoying all at the same time.” The key-point, however, is that Megyn is regularly correct…and [if you listened carefully] The Newt was unable to contradict the foundational quotes that animated her incisive-queries.

12. I participated on another ranking-site [https://www.americanquorum.com/index.php], ranking Perry/Bachmann only.

13. Little attention need be paid to the lies/deceit emanating from Paul vis-à-vis the existential threat posted by Iran; he couldn’t deny that Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust-Denier and, instead ranted in an unprecedented fashion [in any of the debates]. That he couldn’t disavow contents of his newsletters, this is height of conduct smacking of irresponsibility/cover-up. A comprehensive summary of everything-bad about Paul has been compiled [http://www.israpundit.com/archives/42103, by Daniel Greenfield, FPM], as provided by “mikeymike143 (Diary).” [What is "FPM"? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FPM.]

14. It was suggested by “Center77? that “Bachmann seems to have decided to be the attack dog for everyone.” Not true; she was selective [and notably spared both Ricks] particularly when focused on influence-peddling [whether it be slander/libel is irrelevant] because she is intuitively correct; as was noted by “Center77?: “He cannot have gotten paid NBA money for anything less than bringing something to the table.”

15. “Conservative Musician” provided two fascinating discussion-points; the first one related to Michele ["Her protestation that she was a 'serious' candidate made her look weak and insignificant. She was obviously flustered with Gingrich counterpunching her assertions and let her temper get the best of her. She did land some good shots on Paul and Gingrich, but I see her dropping in the polls after tonight. I hope she will drop out after Iowa is done."] I do not agree that she was self-depicted as “weak,” because she transitioned immediately into a counterattack that both reinforced the foundation for this exchange AND encompassed those of prior debates.

16. When “Kyle8? writes “So Bachmann’s performance was strong and assertive? Funny it seemed to me to be shrill, nasty, and disingenuous,” he is reflecting sexism in his use of adjectives, for she stated-her-piece calmly throughout, without depriving her content of passion.

17. “Conservative Musician” also summarized my assessment with precision: “Frustrated that Perry didn’t get a chance to talk more but, actually, with the way Paul imploded tonight and noting that both Gingrich and Romney had to defend their flip-flopping records, sometimes it is better just to let others hang themselves. Overall good night for Perry. Hope the polls will reflect that. Sometimes it is the brevity of what you say that speaks louder than the quantity of what you say.”

18. That PMSNBC [particularly Scarborough] is attacking Perry reflects the fear of the lefties. [That Michael Steele sustained this attitude is telling regarding why he was purged from the RNC.]

19. Noting prior attacks on Perry, Luntz’s conclusion ["Tonight was Perry’s best debate."] was particularly telling.

20. My ticket remains “Perry/Toomey” for obvious reasons [political and operational]; this also prophylaxes the possibility that Hillary would supplant Biden.

21. “Seth Ellis” observes Perry “has electability issues especially with his hard evangelical turn,” but I still feel this is a topic that reflects more about the commentator than about the candidate. This was the theme of the opening set of queries, but this was designed to reveal perceptions more than to yield distinct conclusions. His additional comment is correct: “Romney availed himself on the flip-flops a lot more effectively than Newt did on the GSE’s issue. Gingrich had a lot of strong moments, but he’s had a lot of strong moments in the past debates as well. He still has some major vulnerabilities, and his answer on Freddy and Fanny on reinforced those negative narratives. I just don’t think he’s done enough to reverse the negative trend we’ve been seeing the past week.”

22. “ajdx3? reflected my overall conclusion ["Was the tea party revolution fought to put Newt Gingrich in office?"], and this is particularly applicable to Mitt [who has eschewed the TEA Party Movement consistently].

23. “CC” correctly observed, regarding Mitt: “[H]is surrogates attack Gingrich in the media but, on stage, face to face, he won’t. At least Bachmann and Paul spoke up, Romney is too much of a pansy. Romney will be intimidated to attack Obama directly.” “CC” also noted that anyone other than The Newt would have imploded after having been attacked so aggressively during the past fortnight ["He took some hits in the first half but persevered and came back strong in the 2nd half."], but this observation doesn’t suffice when it’s obvious the attacks have also stung and, thus, have become sustained.

24. Momac’s above comments are on-point, as is this observation about The Newt: “nearly as insufferable to listen to for 4 years as Obama is. He looooves himself.” In contrast, I would enjoy listening to Perry’s postures on myriad issues [such as how he reacted to fast/furious].

25. When “Kyle8? defends Paul ["although he is extreme, I find a lot of truth in some of the things he says"], he nauseates; certain “truthers” aren’t worthy of serious attention and, instead, should be reflexly condemned.

26. The immediate-effects of the debate were properly summarized by “hls87? and “chbroussard (Diary)”; they predicted Perry will absorb Paul/Gingrich and Bachmann/Santorum/Huntsman respectively.

27. The metaphor of Mitt/Newt with Gephardt/Dean in ’04 remains apt…and this led directly to Kerry…and would properly lead to Perry. [This is poetic, both in English and in import.]

28. Mike Allen [politico.com] noted that Romney didn’t dominate [again], although he wisely compared/contrasted his work @ Bain vs. how BHO saved GM by closing plants/dealerships.

29. The lefties on PMSNBC announced Mitt will be on “Morning Joe” on Monday; they wondered to which candidate opponents of Mitt/Newt will flock…but, of course, failed to think of the possibility that Perry would be able to benefit [justifiably].

30. “Reggie182? felt The Newt “was faced with quite an onslaught [NRO, et al.] and he showed again why he is the smartest, most articulate, proactive conservative candidate in the race!” When such an absolute assertion isn’t accompanied by any attention to potential/obvious foibles, it is difficult to take its conclusion seriously.

31. In response to a direct query [by myself and Guzzardi] from Perry’s Campaign, “Sarah Floerke ” wrote: “Thank you for your offer to help in Iowa! I’ve attached information on the strike force along with a volunteer form for each of you to fill out and email back to me. Once we get this information back, we’ll plug you in appropriately with the campaign and political efforts in Iowa. This effort will be a crucial part to the campaign. We can also help with suggestions for travel and lodging as you prepare your trip. Look forward to working with you to elect Gov. Perry! Do you know which dates you’re available to volunteer? Would you fly or drive?”

32. In reaction to the endorsement from Nikki, Romney continues to remain in the doldrums despite multiple such events; compare/contrast the impact thereof with the potential support [for Perry, undoubtedly] from the Iowa Evangelicals [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/us/politics/iowa-evangelicals-divided-over-caucus-endorsement.html?ref=us] which is imminent.

33. “bzip” feels this input [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/iowa-republican-debate-winners-and-losers/2011/12/15/gIQA2lfCxO_blog.html] by “another CC” is on-point, but it must be recalled that this guy from the WPost is a lib; whereas he correctly pegged Mitt ["[his] hiccup came when moderator Chris Wallace pushed Romney on his alleged flip flops on things like abortion, gay rights and guns. Romney started off well — he acknowledged he had “changed his mind” on abortion — but then got too into the weeds with an extended discussion of why his position on gay rights had been consistent. Not good.”] and The Newt ["[he] did bounce back in the second hour and seemed to win the audience back on his side. But his second hour wasn’t good enough to make up for a first hour that leaves plenty of opportunities for his opponents to attack in the final two and a half weeks before Iowa.”], he couldn’t shake his innate snarkiness when attempting to “kill with faint praise” regarding Perry ["Given the Texas Governor’s disastrously bad past debate performances, it’s always tough to know if you are grading him on a curve. But, for the second straight debate, Perry was energetic and forceful. He stayed on his outsider message — part time Congress etc. — and only very occasionally drifted into the he’s-saying-words-but-they-don’t-mean-anything territory."].

34. The assessment of “Septembergurl” [" *boring* can only mean one thing: Mitt wins the debate"] was countered by “kamiller42? by noting that Perry being ranked #4 was inappropriate ["I would put Perry 2nd. He gave good, strong, and memorable answers. Sure, he didn’t dig into other candidates, but that’s okay. Not rating on how well one candidate is at cutting another down."] and by “onemovoter (Diary)” by noting that an aggregate viewpoint/summary via Twitter was provided by SE Cupp ["Perry had the best debate of his life. If he could repeat tonight over and over, he’d be the candidate people wanted him to be."].

35. Attention must be paid to the point made by “Trianic” [search infra] when he quoted the NYTimes [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/us/politics/gingrichs-health-care-policy-history-at-odds-with-gop.html?_r=1&hp] as it corroborated my attacks on those [Wonkish1 and JSobieski] who have heatedly defended The Newt’s posture on the Individual Mandate.

36. OVERALL, after having listened to all three news-cable “instant” reviews, the fact that The Newt’s excess-quotes [for example, the Washington Examiner and Politifact contradicted his claim that he hadn't lobbied] and Mitt’s tendency to play it safe ["you won't be noticed," per Gretchen Carlson on F&F] were exposed, this allows for Perry to emerge unscathed.

This is cross-posted @ another RS site: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/12/15/redstate-debate-coveritlive/#comment-11309

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

DrBob, you could have just summarized #13 as "nutjob"

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:45AM EDT (link)

He did not answer the question about supporting the eventual nominee, if it’s not him. Because he’s not. He needs to be ignored. When that funny little old man starts talking about Iran and foreign policy, I cringe. This guy who is reaching life span averages is interjecting foolish rhetoric into this GOP debate that promotes weakness for our country’s standing in the world. His careless suggested policies incite the rogue individuals/nations that wish harm to our citizens, both at home and abroad. And a good chance this nutjob wouldn’t even be around to see another war. Get him off that stage, move him to the Netherlands where he can live in peace with his followers, their bongs and free weed.

I tried to distill what had transpired...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:48AM EDT (link)

…without being repetitive and while retaining key-references.

I’m now vetting the accuracy of what I wrote with input from other sites [after everyone enjoyed a good night's sleep], starting with politico.com.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

thanks doc

nancysabet Friday, December 16th at 9:13AM EDT (link)

for this detailed analysis. I wonder what effect, if any, the Niki Haley’s endorsement of Romney would have in S.C..?? She really dropped in my eyes with that endorsement.

minimal...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:38AM EDT (link)

…as long as the Evangelicals “do the right thing” later-on today.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

I am stunned by that myself

irishgirl Friday, December 16th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

The "establishment" is getting to the squishy ones

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

No doubt with promises, promises, promises of future support and cash.
Just the way the unions and mafia works….

The Tea Party will bid adios to Haley if she endorses Romney….

So much promise for the future, thrown out and for what???

Obama “light” – who will go down in flames???

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 
 

Dr. Bob joining the Strike Force!

cheetah2 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:20AM EDT (link)

Excellent news! The Iowa Strike Force is going to be phenomenal. I envy everyone who gets to be a part of it.

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Nikki Haley just endorsed Romney

daemonocracy Friday, December 16th at 7:22AM EDT (link)

On Fox and Friends Nikki Haley endorsed Romney. PSHHHHT. I like her a lot, an honest woman, but hopefully South Carolina rejects her endorsement.

Nikki Haley's been a VP buzz for some time; she might bring both the female and tea party vote; both of which Mitt needs

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 7:47AM EDT (link)

Like so many before her, Gov Haley defies her tea party roots and insults those that worked tirelessly for her and those across the country that contributed to her campaign. The tea party was fun, but like all good things, must come to an end, right Gov Haley?

As I noted supra...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:51AM EDT (link)

…far more “telling” will be the Evangelical endorsement, for what happens in Iowa will have follow-through effects far in-excess of whatever might now be occurring in S.C.

Remember, if Romney [who was sucked into investing in Iowa] does predictably poorly in the caucuses AND is sandwiched [in NH] by Huntsman/The Newt, he may not survive January.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

Give her a break

bjames Friday, December 16th at 8:30AM EDT (link)

She’s making a tough choice from a lousy selection.

A bad choice out of poor options

geoph Friday, December 16th at 9:11AM EDT (link)

No.
She gets no break, and this may be more problematic for her than it appears at first glance.
TParty Cons believe loyalty is earned. We worked to replace Representatives who did not project our values, and if we were wrong about who we backed – we will back another in the next cycle.
Every TEA Party “darling” should remember that Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Why endorse at all?

texabama Friday, December 16th at 10:22AM EDT (link)

The real choice should have been not to endorse at this point. If I were a citizen of South Carolina I’d find it troubling that not only didn’t she choose a more conservative TP candidate, but also she didn’t choose the only sitting Republican governor. She knows the demands of the job and how truly outstanding his record has been. Her endorsement smacks of pandering pure and simple and diminishes her.

The national stage must be calling

geoph Friday, December 16th at 1:09PM EDT (link)

I know I don’t speak for all TPartiers, but I also know my feelings are shared by not such an insignificant segment of us.

We are tired.
We have had it with being lumped together with the Republican Liberals.
Our votes are no longer a given for just any “R”.
We discovered the power of the primary, and will move the GOP to the Right.
If some find that uncomfortable, may I suggest pulling a Jeffords?
We will either reclaim the Republican label, or the RINOs will have to expunge us and take their chances on capturing majorities and leaderships against the Democrat Libs.

 
 
 
 

She has no chance at VP

pdawk Friday, December 16th at 8:43AM EDT (link)

First off no one wants to deal with her potential baggage. I don’t believe a thing Will Folks says, but it isn’t the type of background chatter you want in a president.

She is rather unpopular in South Carolina. Her endorsement carries some weight and will be a boost to Romney here, but she would get killed if she ran against Sheheen again today.

It would be much more important in our state to get Jim Demint or Tim Scott’s endorsement. Haley will help, but those two guys are the heavyweights in this state right now.

 

it's a shame

nancysabet Friday, December 16th at 9:15AM EDT (link)

I really liked her but I see now she is becoming one of the establishments.

The establishment has all the $$ and connections

carolina Friday, December 16th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

which is why we always (mostly) get an establishment candidate.
Long time loyalties and power statists throughout the GOP are almost impossible to defeat.
- sigh -

 

The establishment has all the $$ and connections

carolina Friday, December 16th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

which is why we always (mostly) get an establishment candidate.
Long time loyalties and power statists throughout the GOP are almost impossible to defeat.
- sigh -

The establishment wins because

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:58AM EDT (link)

they are pragmatists, not idealists/utopians…

In the end, the establishment can govern effectively, starry-eyed revolutionaries cannot…

We need both, however – one to shake things up and come up with new ideas, the other to implement them….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 

Two things:

jgge Friday, December 16th at 10:24AM EDT (link)

1. Mitt Romney is not going to be the nominee
2. If by any bad fortune he became the nominee no matter who he put as his VP he is going to lose to Obama. A Wall Street financier is not going to win the Presidency in this environment.

 
 

Why wouldn't Haley endorse Perry?

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:38AM EDT (link)

That’s a bit odd.

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Maybe because Romney Super Pac gave her campaign $$ in 2010?

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:30AM EDT (link)

Makes “cents” to me. No wonder Romney is getting so many “endorsements”, follow the money trail and guaranteed he’s donated at some time.

I’ll take Rick Perry’s vet real-life, real men (or women) endorsements any day over Romney’s paid for establishment picks.

 
 

I hope so too

RealQuiet (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:22AM EDT (link)

I think this is more of a payback to Romney as if memory serves correctly, Mitt Romney endorsed Nikki Haley fairly early on when the GOP primary had yet to be decided. It was also quite strategic in its nature. I think the Romney campaign is trying to sway public opinion with a wave of positive news for Romney given that Gingrich is imploding in the polls. They don’t want Perry being the benefactor of Gingrich’s fall so they have to move.

Nikki Haley: Romney did more than endorse her. Follow the money!

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 12:04PM EDT (link)

www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/06/ and Politico both reported that Romney contributed $42,000 to her campaign. What’s that old saying about following the money? The SC Ethics Committee investigated but allowed Romney a pass in the end. His federal PAC donated the max of $3500 to Haley, then each of his 5 statewide PAC’s donated the max of $3500. Critics raised the question of ethics when in essence all entities were the same, run by he same front office as it were, etc. So, with a $42,000 history between them, its no surprise she did what she did. Here’s what’s not clear, though:

Is Nikki Haley disloyal, dishonest, intentionally ill-informed or a political capitulator? In her gushing comments this morning on Fox she said she’s backing Romney because of jobs creation. Wait, Mitt stated last night its not govt that creates jobs, but the private sector (and he’s correct).

Which candidate in this race was one of the first, if not THE first to go to SC and stand with Haley in the Boeing situation? Rick Perry. Which candidate has been very vocal in opposition to the govt about this and has spoken boldly in debates and on the campaign trail, citing the courage and conviction and backbone of Nikki Haley? She actually had the gall (or serious lack of facts) to say today that she’s supporting Romney because we need jobs in this country and she’s going with the guy that has a record of creating jobs, not just talking about it.

Where’s Gov Haley been? Has she been under a rock and not heard which of the candidates on the debate stage has a record of creating the environment and reducing the regulations and taxes that facilitated the creation of 1 million jobs since 2009? Has her staff hid from her the fact that Texas got a higher rating from S&P in ’09 for their economic stability and projections of continuing that trend? Did somebody forget to tell her that Rick Perry signed a balanced budget and reduced small business taxes again this past summer? How many jobs has Romney created since ’09? None, other than security and campaign staffers. Oh, maybe Jennifer Rubin, too, but no money trail at this point to know if she’s being paid or not.

Gov Nikki Haley sees the possibility for her to end up in the same hot seat as the Govs. Walker and Kasich are sitting in and if that happens, she wants to run for cover. The only sure thing is the warm and welcoming arms of the Establishment, corporate RNC. These tea party turn-coats better not come calling across the country asking for our hard-earned donations next time.

Pour your tea down the drain, Gov. Haley; its grown quite cold and rancid.

Disloyal? Dishonest? Intentionally ill-informed? Political capitulator? I’m going with all of the above.

circleg 5555555555555555555555555555555555555

1bunny Friday, December 16th at 12:14PM EDT (link)

great post. I am so disgusted by all these politicians that sell out to the establishment.

 

In her gushing comments this morning on Fox she said she’s backing Romney because of jobs creation

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:24PM EDT (link)

In her gushing comments this morning on Fox she said she’s backing Romney because of jobs creation –

You mean – In her gushing comments this morning on Fox she said she’s backing Romney to secure her future job (election), if Mittens becomes the nominee.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

I saw her gushing comments on Fox

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:47PM EDT (link)

this morning, and they were gushing. She is going to be attending some big event this afternoon where the real big time endorsement will be coming, major media in tow, no doubt. I think it is supposed to be her family, and Romney’s family at the event.

This is exactly why the Tea Party is all but over and done with. Sad that it wasn’t the leftists, who have been trying to destroy the Tea Party, or the Republican elites in Washington, it is being destroyed by some of the very people who in part won their elections with the majority of support from those Tea Partiers. It’s sickening to see that some just can’t resist the promise of higher office, or some sort of pay-off while selling their souls to the devil to get their. There is something in this for Haley no doubt.

Scope, the Haley endorsement is merely a return on Romney's 'investment' in 2010.

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:11PM EDT (link)

Romney endorsed Haley for the governorship of SC and gave her $3500 for her campaign. In fact, that’s why these Tea Partiers are endorsing him; they’re returning the favor that Romney gave to them.

In fact, Romney endorsed Perry in the 2010 TX governor’s race. And now Perry is running against Romney (which is the reason Romney hates Perry, IMO).

Romney mistook Perry’s loyalty for gratitude, and Perry (from Romney’s point of view) is now the enemy.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

Xasteius- So Haley's endorsement

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:33PM EDT (link)

is a downpayment on her future political aspirations. Aren’t these exactly the kind of politicians we are trying to get rid of? There is simply no way on God’s green earth that anyone who calls, or considers themselves a conservative, can endorse someone who is so completely well know as a liberal republican, without losing credibility. I must now consider Haley a moderate, a sell-out, or both.

This proves the conservative movement gets nowhere inside of the GOP

heraklios Friday, December 16th at 1:41PM EDT (link)

Everyone sells out once they get a couple steps up the ladder no matter what they professed int he beginning. I think I am going to quit politics and worry about other things. This country going to crap anyway, so what does it matter?

If you walk away, they've won

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:05PM EDT (link)

The Republicans had always been known as the silent party. Never protested anything, never got involved in anything, they just simply showed up on election day, voted for the republican, went home, and went back to sleep until right before the next election. The elites in Washington knew that, and just kept moving more and more to the left.

Take a deep breath, or a day or so off from political news, and then come back swinging against this exact kind of thing that sadly does happen, still, more than it should. If you walk away, they have won and will continue to wreak havoc with this country. Post your displeasure at what those like Haley have done in endorsing a clear and definite moderate, at best, for the Presidency. Perhaps you can find an online newspaper from SC where you can comment on your displeasure. I’m going to search for some of those sites and do the same.

If you want to be around them

tailfins1959 Friday, December 16th at 2:34PM EDT (link)

I’m starting to get the idea that people with strong political opinions are those I don’t want to be around. It’s tempting to one day approach EE at a live event and call him out for allowing casual visitors to be treated so poorly here. Complain at the contact link is a canard, as one moderator suggested. I’m just curious: Why are you people here? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you care if people volunteer? The level of discourteousness is a quantum leap higher in the conservative movement than it was 20 years ago. If it matters to you, the snarkiness, meanness, bossiness is throwing cold water on my interest in who wins elections.

Saying “If you don’t like it, tough” does not attract interest nor a desire to donate time nor resources.

You have the right to quit Toxic People. (They’re contagious.) ~Dr. SunWolf

It's so easy to get discouraged given the state of our party

heraklios Friday, December 16th at 4:06PM EDT (link)

Just in the last week, news reports of the following:

Eric Cantor blocks bill designed to outlaw INSIDER TRADING in the stock market by members of Congress;.

Alabama Congressman (can’t remember name) uses info acquired in a briefing by Bernanke to short GE in Sept 2008. When confronted, ne vehemently denies using this info on CNBC, but the facts have proven his accuser correct.

Hank Paulson now admits he discussed the insolvency of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae with some hedge fund managers two weeks before telling Congress that both were financially solid. Both soon went bankrupt costing shareholders hundreds of billions but letting the Romneyite Wall Street financiers cash in by selling on the information and then shorting Freddie and Fannie.

Do these Republicans realize how disgusted people, even fellow Republicans, outside NY and DC are with Congress, the Presidency and Wall Street? Why can’t we clean out our own house? I’m not even getting into the rampant corruption present in the Democratic Party. It’s so massive, I would need several threads.

Politicians are like vegetables, they all have a sell-by date....

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:19PM EDT (link)

These clearly were allowed to stay out in the sun too long.

And no, they don’t care what we think… which is why we need to keep holding feet to the fire, and primarying ‘em when we suspect they’ve gone bad.

Unless you can find a way to draft the mythical Archangel Michael, this problem will remain.

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Mark Levin slams the door in Gov. Haley face

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:14PM EDT (link)

Mark says the endorsement hurts Haley yet does nothing to push voters Romney’s way…..

Mark says: Bye, Bye, Gov. Haley – the Tea Party won’t forget.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

Mythical?

mikefrey (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

We would do better if more people didn’t treat the Bible as myth.

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Delegate – California Republican Convention

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent” – Thomas Jefferson

 

Mythical?

mikefrey (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

We would do better if more people didn’t treat the Bible as myth.

Placer County Republican Central Committee
Delegate – California Republican Convention

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent” – Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 
 
 

It is so easy to get discouraged

irishgirl Friday, December 16th at 2:27PM EDT (link)

but like Scope said, take a day or two off and then come back. Haley has turned out to be a huge disappointment and it is hard to fathom, but we can’t give up.

 
 
 

Haley's approval rating in SC is at 36%

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:16PM EDT (link)

Just heard that on CNN. It was also said that Haley had a lot of Tea Party support, and that her endorsing Romney gives him more credibility with the Tea Partiers. Uh, I don’t think so. It gives her less credibility with the Tea Partiers.

SC is too conservative for Romney

tyman Friday, December 16th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

I’ve never believed the polls about Willard doing so well in SC.

This will hurt Haley, I think. But, at least she’s loyal.

I really think Perry’s message is the type that South Carolinians like. SC voted for McCain last time, Huckabee was 2nd, Thompson 3rd and Willard was 4 th with only 15% of the vote.

This time, he’s the liberal of the group, and I’ll be surprised if he gets that much of the vote. Unless Dems cross over and vote for him. And I’m concerned about Dems picking our nominee. Somebody please tell me that I’m wrong about that!

I sincerely hope that DeMint endorses Perry!

I really hope that Perry can get Gov. Scott and Sen. Rubio’s endorsement in Florida.

kowalski...DeMint's endorsement

tyman Friday, December 16th at 3:14PM EDT (link)

Unless DeMint owes Willard a favor, I can’t see him endorsing him.

With all that DeMint has endured with McConnell and other Washington insiders, I can’t see him endorsing Gingrich.

He won’t endorse Ron Paul.

Santorum and Bachmann will be gone after Iowa, so I think DeMint’s choice would have to be Perry.

If the good senator does endorse Perry, I think that will carry much more weight than Haley’s.

 

DeMint is till the kingmaker for the grassroots vote. Even Rush admitted today that its a 4-way race with Perry in the mix

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 3:24PM EDT (link)

On the issue of being disgusted and ready to throw in the towel on politics, I think we’re all there at one point or another. We all do need a break. It’s been a tough fall and debate season. We should all take a deep breath, focus on the season, pay more attention to our families and refuel. No votes are going to be cast until after the New Year anyway.

As for Nikki Haley, like Chris Christie, she gets her 10 min of fame and hopefully she’s thrilled to know that the liberal media adores her now. She’s the toast of the elite class of the GOP so all the best to her. This is not over and anything can happen in the next several days.

Perry has to buoyed today by a great performance, excited and welcoming crowds at every bus stop. This is the 4th quarter and maybe the Lord will send an angel to rest on Rick Perry’s shoulder just as he does on the shoulder of Tim Tebow.

It’s the weekend, its Christmas and my message is to stay faithful. Put your faith in God, not men and remember that the Lord has plans for you (and all us) that we can’t even imagine.

God bless, and GO BRONCOS!!! (my grandson is going to the Patriots/Broncos game as a huge and loyal Pat’s/Brady fan…..I love the idea of a team being the ‘patriots’ but their mascot looks too much like John Kerry for me to ever become a fan)

sorry-that was supposed to be "DeMint is 'STILL' the kingmaker

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 3:27PM EDT (link)

old age and failing eyesight is not pretty

 

Amen, circlegranch.

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

Someone last week, on another thread, quoted Zechariah 4:6: Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord.” God will take care of everything if Perry does his part, and we do ours. It certainly wouldn’t hurt, though, to follow the advice of St. Ignatius of Loyola to “pray as if everything depended on God, and work as if everything depended on you.”

And, yes, GO BRONCOS!!! I’m a Detroit Lions fan myself (I live in Michigan, so what can I say). And I have to admit that I was even routing for Tebow when the Broncos played my beloved Lions. Forget the money and the fame; he’s exactly the kind of guy I’d want my daughters to marry.

As for Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, whatever-her-name-is up in New Hamphire (Ayotte?), etc., I’m done supporting them. I’m also done with National Review and Fox News; and even Rush and Hannity are on probation. Selling out conservative principles will have consequences for all who choose to go down that road.

 

Thank you circlegranch!

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

Headed out the door to bring Christmas goodies to the local fire station, but I just wanted to say thank you so much for all your wonderful posts. I’m always so encouraged every time I read them (sorry if I repeat myself, but I just wanted to tell you this again). Go Broncos and The Tim Tebow of Iowa!

National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.

@LAPatriette

 
 
 
 

Xasteius, Romney actually contributed $42k to Haley

circlegranch Saturday, December 17th at 2:14PM EDT (link)

See my post upthread from yesterday. Each of his PAC’s donated the max amounting to $42,000.

 

Xasteius, Romney actually contributed $42k to Haley

circlegranch Saturday, December 17th at 2:14PM EDT (link)

See my post upthread from yesterday. Each of his PAC’s donated the max amounting to $42,000.

I see that now; the 3500 came from EACH of Romney statewide PACs; reading comprehension should be my friend.

Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

Thanks, circlegranch.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

Re: Gov Haley, interesting comments came in from a tea party organizer today

circlegranch Saturday, December 17th at 5:50PM EDT (link)

Rec’d an email today from a retired military officer and staunch tea party supporter in SC. The jest of it was, Gov Haley’s nod to Romney will backfire on both of them. He is seen as being unable to attract the grassroots vote himself so in paying to play in advance when she was running, he set her up to do his bidding and he won’t make one appearance before a tea party crowd in SC without her by his side. He has nothing in common with that group so she’s the ice breaker.

Because Haley ‘turn-coated’ on the tea party, did not keep her word that she would not endorse ahead of their primary, the wheels are in motion right now to rouse the tea party vote against Romney to send her a loud and clear message.

Romney is essentially, back to Square One. He already had the elitist GOP vote but Nikki Haley now no longer has the credibility and political capital to deliver the tea party vote to him. Folks in SC are riled up about this. The tea party put her in office. It was they that walked neighborhoods, knocked on doors and made calls. They donated money, some who didn’t have money to spare. As the email stated, it appears no good deed goes unpunished. She has quickly forgotten where she started and whom got her to where she is now. Back when the RNC turned their noses up at her, it was the common people that came to her rescue, did the hard work and got her in office. When she was attacked on her character, the tea partiers stood firm with her and beat back the rumors.

It would appear that the one candidate we’re being told is so smart, so articulate, so everything to everybody that he can’t possibly lose, maybe didn’t think this one out quite well enough. Maybe it was Nikki Haley that didn’t think her decisions through enough and consider the full impact. Either way, this announcement seems to do anything but promote the careers of either.

This is exactly the kind of shenanigans the Tea Party

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 6:22PM EDT (link)

despises–what could Haley be thinking? It is beyond smarmy and makes Romney look like a coward of the first order. He looked like the teacher’s pet that no one could stand while he stood next to Haley as she gave her glowing reasons for endorsing him. If I lived in S.C. I would be furious.

The worst part is that both Haley and Romney are blind and stupid if they think we don’t see through this. While Romney thinks this will help his reputation among Tea Partyers, in reality it has brought both of them down to his level–if not lower.

Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3

That's what I was thinking too.WCPat.

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 6:35PM EDT (link)

Instead of helping either, it made her come down on his level. Did Haley really gush and say Willard is the number one job creator? I heard someone say she said that. Wasn’t Massachusetts like 47th in job creation when Willard was Governor? I’ll take Rick Perry any day over that record. I am so dumbfounded by Nikki Haley and I think she is going to regret that endorsement.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 

The biggest take away circle

Scope (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 6:32PM EDT (link)

is that she said she would not endorse ahead of the SC primary, but she broke that promise. Even Rush said that this was not an endorsement as much as it was an outright call for her political future aspirations, which I believe are dead and done, if Romney doesn’t put her in his administration. Remember all of us fighting the pay to play game with the elitists? Haley obviously is in the pay to play game. Are there no politicians that don’t get caught up in the big boy game, and wind up caving on what principles they promise to adhere to if we just all get together and elect them.

Yep, I believe there is Scope....

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 6:47PM EDT (link)

His name is Rick Perry , I feel like I can really trust him. That goes along way for me. Hey, Scope..how is our friend Pttx33 doing? I haven’t seen her on for a while. Is she ill? I hope not. And where is Redmymind?

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

romansdaughter- I am so busy

Scope (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 7:33PM EDT (link)

trying to fight the establishment, and the establishment chosen candidates that I neglected to say that Perry is the only trustworthy and honest candidate in the field. I am so sick and tired of trying to point out the disparaties in some of the candidates, and I am so even more sick and tired of the Perry supporters being denigrated and disparaged that I am just in a fighting mode against the detractors. Isn’t it sad when you feel you can’t even mention your candidate, or risk being called a candibot, that you just argue the other side. I am truly at that point, honestly. I’ve seen more Perry supporters here being called candibots than those supporting other candidates. I’m PO’d. Can you tell? LOL

The last time I heard from pttx, she said she was going to be spending some time with her son, and that she wouldn’t have as much access to the computer as she would like. I know she was really sick with bronchitis, and I am hoping that it didn’t turn into pnumonia (sp). I worry about her, as she said she would be here some, but hasn’t been here at all. I am worried, and saying many prayers that everything is OK. Let’s all give her some love with prayers and hopes that she is back soon.

I don’t know at all where redmymind is. Maybe as disgusted as the rest of the Perry supporters for the trashing and basing we all get. I guess it all comes with the territory.

Yeah its wearing alright Scope...

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

I personally take no notice when people hurl out candibot or other things.I and my family are voters who stand on principles and values and we believe Rick Perry is all of that and I don’t care what others say but that being said, I still will argue my views why I think Rick Perry is the best. Don’t be disheartened…I believe that Rick Perry is the Tim Tebow of the primaries. I will pray for Pttx and hopefully her bronchitis hasn’t gotten worse. I am thinking now that Redmymind went to Iowa to help out. Could this be true?

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romansdaughter- I heard from pttx

Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 7:42AM EDT (link)

Got an email last night and she has been spending time with family members, her granddaughter is currently home from the Army. She will be pretty busy until after the holidays and probably won’t be here much until then, if at all. She is fine though, so don’t worry about her.

Good to hear, Scope!

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 12:56PM EDT (link)

Tell her that we miss her encouragement on here. Also wish her a Merry Christmas from all of us.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

only choice

thosjefferson Friday, December 16th at 10:25AM EDT (link)

Haley made the best choice among the remaining candidates, pure and simple, because she is honest and conservative.

In the debate last night, Romney demonstrated the absurdity of the flip-flopper charges. You can’t govern with sound bites, and the so-called conservative complaints about Romney boil down to sound bites that don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Santorum’s false accusations about the gay marriage issue was a good example, too.

Romney will never be President

heraklios Friday, December 16th at 11:05AM EDT (link)

Conservatives will bring him down. Even if he manages to buy the nomination, conservatives will bring him down in November. America is on pretty steep decline right now, but I don’t think we’ve sunk to the level yet where a Mittens Willard can get elected President

 

Romney will never be President

heraklios Friday, December 16th at 11:05AM EDT (link)

Conservatives will bring him down. Even if he manages to buy the nomination, conservatives will bring him down in November. America is on pretty steep decline right now, but I don’t think we’ve sunk to the level yet where a Mittens Willard can get elected President

pathetic

thosjefferson Saturday, December 17th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

You’re making my point that you have nothing beyond sloganeering and sound bites to object to. True conservatives are insightful, thoughtful, and not only capable but willing to think through the issues.

Phony conservatives resort to infantile tactics such as calling a candidate “Mittens Willard.”

 
 

HAHA This is great!

aggie91 Friday, December 16th at 11:12AM EDT (link)

This kind of humor is best consumed without hot coffee in your hand. I just got burned!!!

 

HAHA This is great!

aggie91 Friday, December 16th at 11:12AM EDT (link)

This kind of humor is best consumed without hot coffee in your hand. I just got burned!!!

 

Yes, Romney demonstrated the absurdity of the flip-flopper charges

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:41AM EDT (link)

HE looked absurd.

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Perry endorsement

thosjefferson Saturday, December 17th at 10:28AM EDT (link)

Eventually Perry will endorse Romney. So I suppose you’ll reject Perry then, too?

Are you willing to bet Perry $10,000 on that?

nathanalbright (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

I happen to think that Romney’s going down in a Texas shootout.

 
 
 

A question on Romney's "intelligence"...

trickamsterdam Friday, December 16th at 1:56PM EDT (link)

Can I ask a question of an obvious (as opposed to oblivious) Romney supporter?

We’re told he’s so smart. We’re told he’s so well thought-out. But then we’re also told he had to “soften” his positions (i.e., lie in the “sound bites”) to get elected in MA.

Um, has anyone ever asked him why he chose to run in MA? As opposed to NH, where he wouldn’t have had to “soften” the positions? Or Michigan? Or Utah?

When he had obvious ambitions for the Presidency? And should have known being pro-choice etc was potentially fatal nationally?

Because the only answer I can com e up w/ is he’s as liberal as he always claimed: he just completely misread where the party was going nationally. So see, he’s not only a liar, he’s rather poorly planned-out and quite dim too (even dimmer than a government-approved light bulb).

Of course he’ll probably be the nominee because conservatives in Iowa will divide their votes, instead of just going w/ Newt. But that makes Romney lucky, not good.

 
 

So disappointed in Nikki Haley.

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:39AM EDT (link)

I couldn’t believe it when I heard. What a betrayal of Tea Party principles. What’s happening to our red-hot conservatives? Why are they going belly-up on their convictions?

(BTW, a Palin endorsement of Perry would blow Haley’s out of the water, but that’s a different story…)

Her Facebook page is loaded with disappointed/disgusted comments. I don’t blame South Carolinians. If my governor had endorsed Romney, of all people, I would have been ashamed of him, too.

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Agreed.

runner12 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:12PM EDT (link)

I am very disapointed in her endorsement of Romney. It seems like a complete betrayal of the prinicples that she ran on. Even worse, it appears to be a “payback” endorsement because he contributed to her campaign.

A wiser move would have been to simply not endorse anyone at all. My respect for Gov. Haley has taken a nose-dive after this endorsement.

 

Me too, Lou Pat!

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 11:51AM EDT (link)

When I was finally able to get back here to RS and read that she had endorsed Willard the Rat, I almost got physically sick. I thought she was such TP Governor and was pushing the conservative values and then she throws them under a bus and endorses Willard, who isn’t even really conservative. Man, did she ever go down in my books. Her TP fans should be outraged…I am outraged and I am not TP. I am like trying to grasp…why Willard paying people off is okay for their votes, etc. It sounds shady to me.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 

Nikki Haley/Romney - This is Mega Important

carolynr Friday, December 16th at 1:11PM EDT (link)

Please guys…I really want you to think about this and get out on the blogs. SC is a neighboring state…and the southern states are BIG on state’s rights…they still fly the Confederate Flag…and that is not about racism EITHER. So, here we have her out for Romney, who is not a state’s rights man…he is big government. However, the telling moment of where Romney stands…remember…WILLARD IS CAUTIOUS..the wooden house thing…He made a comparison between GM and his Bain Capital. What needed to be picked up on by our oh so astute Fox News (I am PO’d about the # of questions that Perry did not get)…was this. Not only did the government take over GM…they took it over not for “private shareholders” or the rule of contract law…BUT FOR THE DUMB UNIONS.

Now…remember BOEING…NIKKI….what happened…your state almost lost the whole deal…why…because of UNIONS. So, will Romney come down against unions…HECK NO…so…again cautious. My prediction if he is president…he will continue to allow the unions to run ruff shod over private companies…SO MUCH FOR BAIN CAPITAL AND THE CAPITALISTIC VIEW POINT. He will sell out private business, private enterprise for the vote of the union. REMEMBER…his home state is Michigan. Neither his father nor he have been able to revitalize that state because of graff, corruption and over the top union pay.

So…Obama will force Willard into committing to the union or private enterprise. If Willard picks private enterprise…the SEIU will be out in force…and that is how we got Harry Reid back.

Carolynr, about the Confederate flag,

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 5:00PM EDT (link)

Personally, I get a weird feeling in my stomach whenever I see one–it’s a completely knee-jerk reaction because most of my ancestors were slaves. Nevertheless, I recognize that the Confederate flag is almost never used as a racist emblem (there are always a very few idiots out there), and I defend the rights of anyone who chooses to fly it. And it ticks me off when liberals get all ugly about flying the flag at government buildings or whatever in the South.

You mention that Romney’s home state is Michigan. I live here, and I always forget that because he, to me, just epitomized the Northeastern blueblooded RINO. If Perry does well in Iowa, picks up some key endorsements (come on, DeMint!), and racks up some successes before the Michigan primary, I’m thinking that Romney might not be able to carry Michigan. That would be very, very awesome!

racetraitor, many of the people I know

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 5:24PM EDT (link)

who fly the Confederate battle flag are people of color. You see, you can believe in the independence of your state, against the federal leviathan, without being racist.

To most in the South, the flag has nothing to do with slavery. It has to do with independence. It is just that simple. Odd how most people, outside of the South, know that most Confederate soldiers did not own slaves nor did they care if slavery was abolished. Or know that free blacks fought for the South and received veterans benefits.

The history of slavery is a black mark on our national record, but no more so than the treatment of Native Americans. Some Indian reservations today are worse than any ghetto imaginable. They are, and remain a national disgrace. What is sad is that the history of Black Patriots is not taught in our schools so that children learn that African-Americans fought honorably and bravely in the Revolutionary War. Since the days of Woodrow Wilson, the only history of Blacks that is taught is from the 19th century on. Sad, sad, sad.

My favorite charity is St. Joseph’s Indian School. Some rez kids have to travel 90 miles to reach a public school and at St. Joseph’s they live there all week and are bused home on weekends.

retire05

retire05, your comments about Native Americans

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:32PM EDT (link)

are very much so correct. My grandfather was Cherokee. I know all too well the story of the Trail of Tears. They’re a people full of respect for so many things in life, but they’re a proud people as well, who would never willingly choose to be dependent on anyone. To be reduced to so little at the hands of US government…it’s been a shadow hanging over their lives for generations now.

I’ve heard people talk about how much the government is doing to “help” Native Americans via Obamacare. My fear is that they are just being turned into guinea pigs for a great “socialistic experiment”.

lineholder, my heritage

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

goes back to John Ross.

Obamacare has nothing to do with Native Americans, especially rez dogs. Their medical care is doled out (in dribs and drabs) by the BIA. And you better not get sick after June because the BIA constantly seems to be out of money.

Gangs, rape and alcoholism has become a critical problems on some (most) reservations. That is what happens when kids drop out of school because it is just too far to travel. When you have no hope because your people have been ridiculed, rejected and dejected by their own government.

retire05

all of the things you mention are resutls of

kyle8 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:14PM EDT (link)

dependency. In this case dependency on the government.

The reservation system, as it evolved was the perfect way for the government to destroy the Indian nations.

If the tribal councils were forced to accept a system of private property rights and welfare and government regulation of the reservation was phased out, then after a period of adjustment the nations would be so much better off.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

Not wanting to be argumentative, retire05

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:53PM EDT (link)

but have you had an opportunity to review what is actually included in PPACA (i.e. Obamacare) pertaining to Native Americans? It’s very detailed and very specific. There was a really great timeline that I saw once online that demonstrated the specificity pertaining to Native Americans. I’ve looked for it, but it appears that it’s been taken off site. That’s what set off the alarm bells for me, that they might be using this sector of our society as guinea pigs.

The way they get away with not going into specifics in the rest of the legislation pertaining to other sectors of our society is to use the words “the Secretary shall determine”. Since I’m studying a health-related field, I know that the same degree of specificity is there. I see it being implemented and put into place day by day.

I’m guessing that the Dems and the left just didn’t want the specifics blatantly revealed in the language of the legislation, perhaps because if they did, it would have generated a much greater uproar from the general public than what has been seen.

 
 
 

Retire05, great points.

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 8:42PM EDT (link)

We have a friend from Louisiana. He’s black, and not only does he have the flag on his refrigerator, but he wears a massive Confederate-flag belt buckle. And if I lived in the South, I’d probably be contrarian enough to fly the flag just to tick off any liberals that might drive by and see it. ;)

 
 

Thanks Racetraitor

carolynr Friday, December 16th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

I see the Confederate Flag and I don’t associate it with racism. It has always been about state’s rights to me. I’ve lived in the South for over 40 years. I have never attended an integrated school, but I do know that what I saw during the 1960′s was very wrong. My family never really got into any of it because it was never an issue. I am glad you understand I am not a racist…but I do believe that the closer government is to the people, local and state…the more control the people have over the government.

I like Perry because he does not want to take away that freedom from the states. They are, as he says, laboratories wherein we find out what will work best and then other states adopt those policies if the people vote for it.

 
 
 
 

Bachmann certainly handed Newt a plate of truth

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:29AM EDT (link)

She was all over him on Fannie/Freddie and the “implantation” abortion flap, his answers were shallow and defensive. Both issues he owns, and are reprehensible. I think with conservatives, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did in fact implode.

How many times did she reference 1.6million? She dinged him harsh, doing so good until “I’m a serious candidate”. At one point during her Newtrant, either before or after “serious”, she cited (left leaning) “Politifact” as basis to her Newt attacks, not exactly helpful but it sounded good to the viewers.

Newt’s campaign is still a mess in Iowa from reports that I have read. He’s operating on a skeleton crew compared to Perry, Romney & Paul. Spends an afternoon at Univ of Iowa talking to folks about brain science. He has held true to his beliefs though, he has and still is running his slipshod campaign the way that he wants, banking on his mistress-wife3′s directive early on…”just wait til the debates”. Problem is, after those soundbites, the country needs stable consistent leadership.

If his campaign management, or lack thereof, is any indication of how he is going to run the highest office in the land, this country is in deep trouble electing Newt Gingrich.

Yes, and without alienating audiences

renl57 Friday, December 16th at 8:04AM EDT (link)

Unlike her prior Gardasil attack on Perry, this time she didn’t get many dings or boos from those listening to her attacks on Gingrich.

She got listened to. Seriously.

because

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:31AM EDT (link)

she is of course, a serious candidate ;)

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 

If his campaign is as slipshod as you claim...

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:06AM EDT (link)

He may not make it past New Hampshire. We can hope for a Newtron bomb in Iowa, can we not?

Gingrich needs $$, more competent staff, and more grassroots ASAP

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:49AM EDT (link)

His numbers are soft, though he still leads the “take it to Obama” pack, because he debates superfluously. I think he would cave though eventually with a series of Bachmann attack debates, I think she gets under his skin akin to Perry and Romney. His record and the continuity of negative ads that highlight every blemish he’s ever had is going to wear him down. When msm starts going after Callista, he is going to blow.

He gets indignant, or readily dismissive deeming his critics as beneath him, dollar wise and intellectually. He is, or was, an unregistered lobbyist that made millions. Bachmann was right to go after him, enjoyed every minute of it. She moves up higher in my rank, just doesn’t have the executive experience I think that’s needed. I also find myself wanting to fact check everything she says, which is not a good feeling. Didn’t appreciate at all the Gardasil flap, loses credibility.

She would kill Obama in a debate on style however, just kill him, so long as she stays clear of clutter like “serious candidate” and “Politifact”, and rhetoric of the same. Her shrill shrewd take no prisoners mentality is a force to be reckoned with, makes her debate “friends” want to dig a hole and stay there, lol.

I'm starting to go back to my original belief about Newt

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

When he first started the campaign I was one of those who was thought it was nothing more then a “look at me, I’m still relevant” publicity stunt. When his staff essentially said the same thing I was convinced. I didn’t believe he wanted to win, not really. However as he started going up in the polls I started thinking maybe it started that way or he was just convinced that he couldn’t win so he wasn’t willing to cancel his own plans, but now he wanted to win.

However now I see things like how he’s not going to be back in Iowa (a state that at this point if he doesn’t win he will have a very hard time lasting long given the expectations) until Dec 28th. Practically 2 weeks. He’s giving seminars on brain science. He’s going back to Washington for a book signing. And there’s still issues with him having a functioning staff in most states. I’ve yet to hear much talk about him doing fundraising activities to raise that money he’ll need. I’m starting to again think he doesn’t want to win, and is perfectly ok with crashing again. I mean if you think about it, if the plan was to stay relevant and sell books but not actually win, isn’t this going perfectly for him. at this point? Wouldn’t now be the time to half*** it and drop before you are expected to actually go through the whole primary process?

Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve never gotten over the feeling this campaign was more about Newt then it was about the presidency. Anyone else get the same feeling?

Yeah because the guy may be smart

irishgirl Friday, December 16th at 10:04AM EDT (link)

but he’s clearly an egotist. He appears to be one of those who loves to hear the sound of his own voice.

 

znjs I agree with your assessment on Newt

1bunny Friday, December 16th at 10:50AM EDT (link)

I get at least one email a day touting a book or video for sale by him or his wife. I have been thinking this run for president has been a “free” promotion event for him. The bad thing is the donations from citizens are paying for him to hawk himself and his books. From all that has come out on Newt recently it is always all about him and what benefits him and his think tanks and clients. So sad that the electorate are being taken in by him over his debate skills.

 
 

debates in general election

nancysabet Friday, December 16th at 9:22AM EDT (link)

are not a big factor. There are only 3 of them and they’re not going to play a big role in winning the election. There are 100′s of rallies and town hall meetings and Perry is a master in those. I don’t know why in this primary debates have become such an issue?? When did we elect our candidate based soley on debate ?? What about records of candidates??

 

Sunshine, it doesn't look like Newt will win Iowa

RealQuiet (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:34AM EDT (link)

His infrastructure and ground game are SORELY lacking. Combine this with his poll freefall and the fact that he won’t be back to Iowa until December 28th to make a final push = practically difficult to see Newt winning Iowa.

I think the race in Iowa comes down to Perry vs. Romney. Paul will get 3rd or 4th though his debate performance was absolutely awful last night.

That is precisely my point....

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

And for Perry that’s enough of a “comeback kid” performance to give him legs in SC and FL, especially if Mittens has a less dominating than expected performance in NH.

 

I have never seen a guy campaign as a presumed "front runner"

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:13PM EDT (link)

for the GOP with a more erratic unpredictable campaign. Shouldn’t he be in Iowa shaking hands at meet&greets & townhalls? No, instead he’d rather spend an entire afternoon in a Chicago museum looking at dinosaurs as he did in mid October. Currently he has embarked on a “brain science” tour of universities. Does that not give anyone else pause?

Articulation & persuasion only go far. I’d rather have a guy with a solid record of actual executive leadership WORKING on debate skills than a glib politician-unregistered millionaire lobbyist with an inconsistent record. Last nite showed Newt’s true big government obsession.

 
 
 
 

Exactly

thosjefferson Friday, December 16th at 10:29AM EDT (link)

Michelle destroyed Gingrich, whose only justification for running is that he is the “best debater.” We saw last night that’s not true. He was speechless on the Freddie Mac payola.

If he somehow survives and gets nominated, Obama will detail every penny of not only the Freddie Mac payola, but the tens of millions Gingrich has taken from myriad special interests. We’ll learn a lot more about all the health care companies that paid him to lobby for special provisions in Obamacare, too.

The timing of this debate couldn’t have been better. Now Iowans have seen Gingrich’s glass jaw. I suspect he’ll end up below Rick Perry in the Iowa vote.

 
 

Perry Justifiied Obama's Green Energy Subsidizes

btpull Friday, December 16th at 7:58AM EDT (link)

Perry’s 10th Amendment argument for justifying Oil and Gas subsidizes in Texas is that a State government can subsidizes an industry to give that State a competitive advantaged over another State.

Obama’s green energy support justification is essentially the same economic one, but at a country level. Instead of Texas vs Oklahoma it is US vs China. I’d hate to see Perry in debate with Obama over this issue.

In order to be ideologically consistant...

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:27AM EDT (link)

Perry HAS TO support any action of a state government not prohibited by Art 1 Sec 10 or any other constitutional provision…..

That’s what you get when you run on a ‘States Rights’ platform – ‘each state has the right to do whatever they want, so long as it doesn’t violate the Constitution’….

The same doesn’t apply at the Federal level, since the Constitution doesn’t provide a power to subsidize commerce….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 

btpull.. actually no TX doesn't 'subsidize' oil and gas indus.

onemovoter (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

All they did was to drop the tax rate that the companies still had to pay. I looked into much of this when I was researching Cain of all people.

Cain was on the board of Aquila during 1998-2001. This was during the time of Enron and other energy companies getting rich from trading. Natural Gas spiked in price big time in 1999 and Aquila got caught into much of the same things Enron was doing. The price of Natural Gas crashed in 2001-02.

This is what led Perry and the Texas leg. to cut taxes on the oil and gas industry to help them survive the ultra low prices during that time. That is being a responsible governor in looking after essential businesses in his state.

dcacklam is also correct on his 10th amendment point. Perry has always been consistent on that point. He’s really the only candidate that treats the 9th and 10th amendment like it should.

“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do.”- Benjamin Franklin
“I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.”- Will Rogers

 
 

Romney had a good debate last nite, no doubt, on style.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:58AM EDT (link)

But on substance he tanked, in particular the issues of abortion and same sex marriage. These issues will continue to hurt him with evangelicals. His explanation of his tenure as a corporate chop shop czar at Bain and the GM comparison was good, however, he did nothing to redeem himself from “10,000″. That frivolous bet partners well with “I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals”; still leaves us common folk with a candidate that is aloft in his millions and has absolutely nothing in common with that guy on a tractor, hopefully a John Deere :) , in the cornfields of Iowa.

He may have a phony R next to his name, albeit a very liberal R. The only difference between himself and businessman John Corzine, who needs him a life behind bars, is that Romney didn’t steal, or “lose” billions of dollars of investors money. No, Romney just fired a bunch of folks & turned households upside down on his way to the bank~

One reason Romney did well was because

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:22AM EDT (link)

the moderators seemed to go out of their way to lob softballs to him. Is it me or was Romney denied the opportunity to fail by the moderators?

 

One reason Romney did well was because

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:22AM EDT (link)

the moderators seemed to go out of their way to lob softballs to him. Is it me or was Romney denied the opportunity to fail by the moderators?

It's not you, WY-Cowboy.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 10:28AM EDT (link)

He was thrown fluffballs.

What part of Wyoming are you from? I lived in Kemmerer for a short while.
Brrrrr….those -40 degree nights were murder.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

I thought Romney had a good takedown on Neut

satchman3 Friday, December 16th at 11:47AM EDT (link)

When the moderators asked Romney about Newt’s comments re: give back all your income from Bain because of bankruptcies and layoffs

Rather than beat up on Newt, Romney said he expected that kind of talk from Obama and proceeded to beat up the strawman. I think the way he handled the question really framed Newt as being to the left of Romney on economics.

 
 

Why didn't Haley endorse Perry?

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:03AM EDT (link)

“Today is the day that I’m throwing all of my support being Mitt Romney for president,” Ms. Haley said, remote from a satellite in South Carolina. “What I wanted was someone who knew what it was like to turn broken companies around.”

Ms. Haley is expected to appear with Mr. Romney at a rally at a fire station in Greenville, S.C. Friday afternoon, and the two are also slated to appear on Greta Van Susteren’s “On The Record” Friday evening. South Carolina follows Iowa and New Hampshire in presidential nominating contests.

In the Fox News interview, Ms. Haley said she decided to endorse “someone who is not part of the chaos of Washington,” adding that “now more than ever we need someone who has the leadership to deal with a broken Washington.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/nikki-haley-endorses-mitt-romney/

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Perry still has to explain...

renl57 Friday, December 16th at 8:10AM EDT (link)

…how he can revive the economies of those parts of America that don’t resemble Texas.

We know Perry has a good record on job creation in Texas. On his campaign website, he says:

“Perry not only espouses conservative economic ideas – he has put them to work in his home state, where nearly 40% of America’s net new jobs have been created since June 2009.”

But how good a record would he have if he were governor of a state without oil or gas? What would he have done then?

He is still pro-business, lower taxes, less regulations.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:18AM EDT (link)

Doesn’t matter where you put him or where he’s from. It’s in his core principles.

As to Haley’s endorsement; every single Republican Governor, save for Sandoval and Jindal, 100 senators, save for Inhofe, can come out and endorse Mitt Romney. Doesn’t make him a better candidate, and doesn’t change my opinion.

She obviously turned her back on the Tea Party, somebody suggested she wants a VP slot. The same has been said of Michele Bachmann, remiss of attacks on Romney in these God-awful format debates. Who knows, who cares.

 

What Perry has done in Texas will work anywhere

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 8:59AM EDT (link)

Lower taxes, less regualation, an appreciation for business. You lose, you pay law suits… Gas and oil are a big factor in Texas, but they aren’t the only factor…..Our medical is above and beyond. Doctors would rather practice here because of our law suits then any where else. At&T, American Airlines, J.C Penny, Texas Instrurments. Frito Lay, Burlinton Northern Sante Fe, Dr. Pepper Snapple group, Kimberly Clark… That’s just to name a few… many are fortune 500 companies. We have far more then just gas and oil that make our economy strong. That is thanks to Rick Perrry and his treatment of and appreciation for business. He gets it!

 

Oil & gas. Heh.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:49AM EDT (link)

Do some research and find out how many Fortune 500/1000 companies that are not oil & gas are headquartered in Texas.

It’s about being right-to-work, having pro-business, pro-taxpayer tax policies and the climate you create. The northern and rust belt states are in deep do-do because they are anti-business and pro-union, pro-centralized government.

For example, there are at least as many people employed by auto makers in the US as there have ever been. Michigan and the surrounding states are full of empty manufacturing facilities and have high unemployment rates. North Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee are booming – every 3-series BMW sold in the world is built in the US, in North Carolina – because they are rtw states with a pro-business climate.

Change

 

He has to appeal to those in battleground and 'red' states....

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)

The economies of such ‘blue’ states as MI are unsalvagable – but there’s no way that the GOP takes MI in the next election… Write it off…

MOST of the ‘Red’ and a good number of ‘borderline’ states do not have economies married to ‘zombie manufacturing’, and thus will do fine if regulation is relaxed, tort limits imposes, and the tax code reformed…

In fact, merely changing administrations is likely to kick off a significant economic change…. The money is there, thanks to the FED’s policies over the past few years – but the anti-business policies of the Obama administration have discouraged banks from lending and other firms from expanding….

A pro-business adminsitration, just by getting elected, would likely trigger a wave of growth…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Dcacklam, I strongly disagree about Michigan.

racetraitor Friday, December 16th at 5:25PM EDT (link)

The GOP should definitely not write Michigan off. In 2010, it became abundantly clear that we have become a purple-but-increasingly-leaning-toward-red state.

From 2002 to 2010, we had Democrats in power; and they did what Dems do: passed and signed laws to increase taxes, made the state unfriendly to businesses, and drove businesses and therefore residents from the state in droves.

Everything changed in 2010. We elected a Republican governor, elected Republican majorities to both the state House and Senate, and won every statewide election except one, I think. We also managed to maintain a majority of conservatives on the state’s Supreme Court. All things considered, I think Michigan is very much in play.

 
 

No, he doesn't Renl57

tnguy Friday, December 16th at 3:36PM EDT (link)

Mitt Romney hasn’t. Newt Gingrich hasn’t.

How is it that Perry has this extra burden on him? His tax plan alone is 10x better than anything promoted by any of the other candidates.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”

 

renl57, are you under the impression that the Fortune 500

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 3:48PM EDT (link)

companies that have moved to Texas are simply all in the gas/oil industry? Austin has become the second Silicon Valley, and more and more companies, not oil/gas related are moving to Texas.

You see, what has been done in Texas, can be done by any state. You just have to get the taxing agencies, and the unions, out of the way. Michigan is a basket case because it has been overrun with Democrats, and UAW members who seem to think they never get enough. It is the right-to-work states that are seeing job increases, and more companies move out of high tax Michigan, New Jersey, Wisconsin, et al to friendlier territory.

Also, companies look at states that have no income tax because their employees are able to take home more of their earnings. Housing costs also factor into the equasion.

retire05

 
 

common, Haley's not endorsing Perry (or Bachmann/Santorum, for that matter) says sends a clear message

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 8:46AM EDT (link)

and that is, she’s chosen the easy path, the most popular path and the one of least resistance. The tea party principles that she ran on worked for a time but now its time to think about becoming a serious Republican insider if she wants to survive as a career politician. Christine O’Donnell betrayed her conservative values this week also. God bless Joe Miller up in Alaska for not thus far falling prey to the allure of the RNC’s agenda for this election cycle. One wonders where Ken Buck of Colorado and Sharon Angle of Nevada stand at this point.

I’ve stated it here over and over and continue to maintain that if the full force and strenght of the Republican Party would stand in solidarity with any of the current candidates (except Paul), that individual would find the voice and courage and confidence needed to defeat Obama. Instead, it’s Mitt’s turn and come hell and hell fire, the RNC will make sure he gets that turn. It’s deflating and depressing, but its the lay of the land.

sunshine Haley's endorsement of Flopney

1bunny Friday, December 16th at 11:01AM EDT (link)

follows along with I think it was 48 out of 54 endorsements from politicians (congress, Senators, Gov etc) that benefitted from campaign contributions from Mitt Romney when they were running. So I guess it is payback time. Flopney donated and endorsed her when she was running for gov of SC. So sad that they will compromise themselves to back him especialy the ones that were supported by the Tea Party. Nothing worse than to turn your back on principles after getting into public office.

kowalski sorry meant to reply to circlegranch

1bunny Friday, December 16th at 11:30AM EDT (link)

not sunshine. I had twitter open too and got my response names mixed up. So sorry. I guess I can’t multitask: )

haha I do that too, with teens & tot in tow most of the time

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:00PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

Because Perry has no shot at winning

pdawk Friday, December 16th at 8:56AM EDT (link)

He is becoming more likable but he quite simply fails the basic competency test most Americans (especially independents) are looking for.

Well what is the "basic competency test"

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:09AM EDT (link)

I guess you are overlooking his record. He is getting better at these debates. Maybe you equate glib and polished with adequate leadership. That just smacks of superficial.

Believe it or not, there is a voting populous out there that believes a man’s record of executive experience, substance, is what actually governs, not 30-60 second soundbites. Say anything less, and it has zero credibility.

basic competency test???

nancysabet Friday, December 16th at 9:27AM EDT (link)

what about his record… record is the only thing that matters and nothing else!

Record does matter

pdawk Friday, December 16th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

But so does the ability to state your case to the American public, which is now primarily done in debate settings. There is a reason Perry hasn’t sniffed 10% in national polls in quite some time. Fair or not, most Americans don’t believe he has the mental makeup to be President of the United States.

pdawk, please explain to me what constitutes

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 10:32AM EDT (link)

a “mental makeup” to be President of the United States?

Or have you joined the American Idol crowd where stage performance is the only measure by which you judge a candidate? My, my, how did we manage to choose those men who would occupy the Oval Office before we had debates?

It came out yesterday that Rick Perry, during the first debate, was in terrible pain due to recent back surgery. But unlike others, who would make excuses for his debate, he said “it is what it is” and takes responsibility for his errors.

There was a time when we, as voters, looked at the history, and record, of a candidate. Now we want someone who can compete for the Oscars with George Clooney. And while we all remember that Reagan was a great president, people seem to forget that he was also a trained actor.

When George Washington was choosen as our first POTUS, it was because of his record, not how well he could act in front of a crowd. He was loved because he had walked the walk, not just talked the talk. Americans could have choosen Adams, or Jefferson who was brilliant and wrote the DoI, but they choose the man who actually had a record of fighting for American liberty. Perhaps it is time to stop the downhill slide that has gone on since that point.

You can support a candidate who says what he/she WILL do. I will support the candidate that can point to what he HAS ALREADY DONE.

retire05

 
 
 

You are correct....

pdawk Friday, December 16th at 10:08AM EDT (link)

that voting populous who supports Rick Perry constitutes around 8% of the republican primary vote. Rick has gotten better at debates, but he still stammers trying to get home points that should be second nature to him by now.

Your old sawtooth song is getting tiresome.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 10:34AM EDT (link)

Perry is doing just fine with getting his message out, or…….errrrmmmmmm, all those loudly applauding people are off-kelter.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 
 

Who EXACTLY are independents and what......

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 9:16AM EDT (link)

EXACTLY do they stand for. I’m really sick of this paper tiger. Independents won’t stand for his…. independents won’t stand for that………..well, I wish someone would outline what ” Independents” do stand for.

It's pretty simple

pdawk Friday, December 16th at 10:11AM EDT (link)

They stand for the 20% of the vote that decides elections. They are the ones who catch soundbites and debates and make up their mind on who they think sounds the best. They are not politically savy and they don’t spend time on RedState or DailyKos. All they do is go out and vote on who they believe will make the country a better place for them over the next 4 years.

Romney fails my "basic competency test"

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

Because he is a weasel and a liar….
He already have one of those in the White House.
Romney is the flip side of the coin, either way America loses.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

And they do not pay attention to

jgge Friday, December 16th at 10:28AM EDT (link)

debates and certainly not the Republican primaries debates. I am just waiting for the real vote to begin to see many people eating sh*t for making the debates as the most important qualifications for President.

 

Thank you for the response,....

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 3:50PM EDT (link)

But that is sad. I’m just popping off here..but I’m really am starting to believe in my heart of hearts people shluld have to take a basic test before voting, or at the very least watch a short video of the candidate explaining who they are and what they stand for.

I saw the post interviews after voting for Obama…. One girl said ” He’s going to pay my bills, he’s going to fill my gas tank”. One other girl thought if you had a republican president, you had a republican congress.. she also didn’t know who Nancy Pelosi was, didn’t konw what a national debt was… and if memory serves me.. and it sometimes does not……She thought Sarha Palin was running for President… not V.P. This is sad that we have to pander to 20% of pure fools. No wonder our country is in the shape it’s in. I’m not ranting at you pdawk, I’m just frustrated that we have to have a beauti contest to get a President. The person that is the face of our country, the person with their finger on the nuke button, the most influental person on the face of this earth… and we have bimbo’s voting! Something is so messed up about this.

My orginal thought is correct, they stand for nothing.. and they vote. They are pandered too.. yet nobody knows exactly what they want ( just what trips their triggers that day). We guess at what’s going to make them happen and in the mean time we distroy a country to make THEM happy.

 

Hello, pdawk I am independent and my folks are too.

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 1:08PM EDT (link)

We are behind Rick Perry and I know some others on here that are independents and are behind Rick Perry. And no we don’t all just decide by debates and soundbites…we go by their record…that is why I had a hard time going with Herman Cain cause he had no record. Records are important to independents.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 
 
 
 

I REFUSE...

tricianc (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:11AM EDT (link)

This is not over, Patriots. I refuse to give up. I refuse to roll over. I refuse to accept or “warm up” to Newt (Romney too) because many on both the left, AND the right tells me it’s inevitable. . It’s not.

Please, please see my post above and read the articles. It’s that important. I will not mince words. Newt is lying. Plain and simple. Newt was out making millions on what we were out fighting against: Obamacare, Stimulus, Big Government and loss of liberty. Newt chose money. We MUST choose freedom.

It’s never been a more perfect time as it is now to get a conservative in the White House. We are a semi w/most of the cab hanging off a cliff. I don’t want someone who’ll put a “big, fluffy sounding” pillow at the bottom to make us think it’s a softer landing. This is Newt. I want someone who’ll back this sucker up and turn us around from the abyss.

“We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.” -George W. Bush

“Never, never, never give up!” -Winston Churchill

tricniac- Agree

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:23AM EDT (link)

I don’t believe almost anything Gingrich says. It’s galling to hear him say that he’s changed now because he is 68 and a grandfather, and people believe that. He has been for particular issues for years, and now all of a sudden because he is a candidate he’s changed his positions? I most especially don’t believe him when he says that he is for an all of the above energy policy. He has written, and spoken out against fossil fuels, and has a sequal to his 2007 book, A Contract with the Earth, conveniently coming out in 2013.

I’m just listening to a critique of Gingrich’s comments in the debate concerning his Freddie Mac statements, which everyone should be paying attention to. He said “I have only worked for companies that held my values, and that home-ownership has always been very important to him.” He went on to say “We as American’s should be helping as many people as possible to purchase homes.” He has said in the past that he favored helping low-income people to get mortgages. That flies in the face of his prior debate comment that he worked for Freddie Mac as a historian. Most Republicans I know realize that Freddie was in big part the cause for the housing crash, and subsequent meltdown. Gingrich only stopped working for Freddie Mac earlier in 2007, just months before the crash. Now he is still supporting “homeownership for as many Americans as possible”, and we should all be in favor of that? Those comments in the debate are going to come back to haunt him big time. It is big government plain and simple. At least now he’s being honest about it.

 
 

Romney again played the "yeah, I supported the right to kill babies but so did..." card.

SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:35AM EDT (link)

Romney was wrong on the facts (and even worse – he *lied* about Reagan) and insincere as well. If someone has truly changed their position on a matter as consequential as abortion, there will be complete contriteness in his or her respones.

To knowingly slander and defame someone’s character to the point of saying someone supported the right of others to kill the unborn is a serious sin in my book. Romney truley will say anything to get elected.

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

You people

rcastonjr Friday, December 16th at 9:20AM EDT (link)

need to lighten up on Romney regarding his position on abortion. When I was younger I too thought there was nothing wrong with abortion. As I have grown older and have raised two children I am as PRO-LIFE or anti-abortion as they come. We change folks. Are you the same as you were in your misguided youth? So lighten up on the so-called Romney flip-flop on abortion. He didn’t flip-flop, he grew up, had kids, and realized just what a gift they are. How any Christian can be pro-abortion (I refuse to use the touchy feely pro-choice nonsense) is beyond me. Life most certainly begins at conception. There is no way anyone can change that FACT.

rcastonjr, you make the same argument John Kerry made

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 9:36AM EDT (link)

about his wild days of sleeping on Hollywood starlets couches. He admitted to partying when he was “young”, except that he was 40 at the time.

Romney still supported abortion when he was 55 years old. Are you telling us that Romney didn’t “grow up” until he hit 56 because if that is the case, the one thing you can say about Romney is he was slow to mature. And you ignore the fact that, as a Mormon, Romney’s faith believes in marrying early (at least in their early 20′s) and having children quickly, and often. Romney had grown children, but still supported abortion and only changed his position when it was necessary to try to run to the right of John McCain in early, 2007.

retire05

I have no idea

rcastonjr Friday, December 16th at 9:52AM EDT (link)

when Romney actually changed his mind on abortion. I was in my 30s after my kids were born when I changed mine. It’s irrelevant when he changed his mind as long as he truly changed it. And yes, one of the great commandments from God is to “be fruitful and multiply” so I guess even Mormon’s take that seriously. :-)

I give Romney a pass on this too.

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

If our goal as Pro Lifers is to end abortions, then we have to change hearts and minds. If Romney changed his mind and supports the sanctity of life now, then this is a success story. I think people should take him at his word on this until he proves otherwise in actions. Oh, I support Newt.

 
 
 

I didn't bring it up. Romney did. Then he threw an innocent man under the bus

SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:36AM EDT (link)

*That’s* the problem.

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

 

No, we don't need to let up on him.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

The bottom line is that when he needed to be “pro-choice” for the sake of political convenience, he was. When he figured out that that position would get him quickly eliminated from primary contention for national office, he magically became pro-life.

He absolutely flip-flopped, and for the most disgusting of reasons – getting elected. The guy has no core beliefs at all.

Romney didn’t – as you apparently have – “mature” into the understanding that life begins at conception.

I trust Obama more, when it comes to doing what he said he’d do, than Romney. Actually, Romney’s “pro-life conversion” is no more believable than Obama’s conversion to Christianity. (And no, I don’t think he’s a Muslim – I think he believes in Obama and will do whatever it takes to be and stay President.)

Change

mbecker908,

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

This is what Ann C said about Romney on the Hannity show one evening. At least with Romeny we can mold him into what we want, That’s pretty telling. Also, in Obama’s book, he said ” I will stand with my muslim brothers… I do believe he is Muslim, from that statement. I didn’t say he was a terrorist ( while that can be debated as to the meaning of ” terroroist” in this case… but I do believe he is muslim, it would be politcal suicide to say something like that in this ” None- Christian” ( tongue in cheek) nation.

Absolute, utter hogwash and probably the stupidest statement I've ever read.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:35PM EDT (link)

Romney gets elected POTUS and Ann thinks we’re going to “mold him”. Complete utter stupidity.

Romney is about Romney. He’ll do what he damn well pleases and then come up with the justification for it. See the Romneycare history in MA, “I didn’t have any choice, the Legislature is Democratic.” And after the disaster, and to this day, he still stands behind the legislation.

Mitt Romney is all skin, there is nothing there, he’s the Hollow Man.

I don’t care who Obama is, I care who the guy who replaces Obama is. And Mitt Romney is just a whiter, slightly more centerist version of TheOne. He won’t reduce government, he’ll work to make it run more efficiently, which is about the very last thing we want.

Change

Taking the long way 'round, Becker. Just ask whose influence is stronger inside D.C. ...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

the Tea Party or the gutless insider wing of the GOP?

Then, decide if we can risk electing silly-putty-willard.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Bingo! Right on the money kitty.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:51PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

mbecker908,

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

This is what Ann C said about Romney on the Hannity show one evening. At least with Romeny we can mold him into what we want, That’s pretty telling. Also, in Obama’s book, he said ” I will stand with my muslim brothers… I do believe he is Muslim, from that statement. I didn’t say he was a terrorist ( while that can be debated as to the meaning of ” terroroist” in this case… but I do believe he is muslim, it would be politcal suicide to say something like that in this ” None- Christian” ( tongue in cheek) nation.

 
 

Shouldn't you be telling Mitt that he's the one that needs to "lighten up?"

SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:43PM EDT (link)

After all, he was the one that falsely stated that Reagan “flipped.” Why bring that up (even if it was true)?

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

Kowalski

SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

Mitt needs to take responsibility for his actions. He can do this by saying: “I was wrong” and leave it at that.

His other problem is that now he said he’s changed and is now pro-life. Previously he said he was “always pro-life” and *didn’t* change. So what is it?

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

 
 
 
 

Ron Paul and earmarks

digitalyoyo Friday, December 16th at 8:50AM EDT (link)

OK… asking an honest question. I was ridiculing Ron Paul and his response on earmarks, and my wife asked how is that different from a non-politican being against certain payouts such as Cash for Clunkers, or payroll tax cuts, but still taking them because they are there?

The difference is simple digitalyoyo.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:30AM EDT (link)

Ron Paul has spent 20+ years in congress screaming out “their” fiscal irresponsibility. Just how many bills has he introduced to eliminate earmarks? How many other congressmen has he gotten to work with him to eliminate earmarks?

Drum roll… NONE and NONE.

The guy has show exactly zero leadership on the issue and he’s in a position to show some. You taking part in a program – or an IRS deduction or exemption when you believe in a flat tax – is no where near the same thing because you have no control over the program and no opportunity to change it.

Ron Paul is the poster boy for hypocrites – and closet anti-semites while we’re at it – and he should have been tossed from the House Republican caucus long ago.

Change

Ron Paul is not against earmarks - he wants more earmarks

satchman3 Friday, December 16th at 9:48AM EDT (link)

He is pretty clearly in support of earmarks and wishes congress would do more directed spending not less. It would be inconsistent for him to introduce bills to eliminate earmarks.

His position is that congress should direct spending rather than defer decisions to the federal bureaucracy. I don’t think it’s hypocritical.

Earmarks are pretty transparent and easier to dig down into – they get a lot of negative press because some of the spending seems irrational. I suspect that if we were equally able to drill down into various agency spending we would find some pretty odious spending that’s less transparent.

 
 

Ron's tactic is....

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:07AM EDT (link)

To get his preferred earmarks inserted into a bill…

Then vote ‘NO’, knowing that it will pass anyway, with the earmarks included…

That’s a whole lot different than ‘Hey, I don’t like it – but if the pie is being cut I’m getting a piece’…

That’s trying to play for both teams at once…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 

Good job Gov. Perry

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:51AM EDT (link)

Some things I am hearing or reading this morning have been interesting. On Fox, they did some fact checking on some of the candidates statements from last night, and I’ve heard a few times that when Newt said that Bachmann didn’t have her facts straight, and that he never did any lobbying, that was found to be totally false. He did in fact call Republicans in Washington to influence their votes for the Medicare Part D bill. He was at the time working for Astra Zenaca and Phizer (sp). Because he has often gone after Bachmann saying that she didn’t have her facts straight, that has been seen very negatively, especially with female voters, and last night he turned people off with his treatment of her.

Enough with the lectures and history lessons from past centuries Newt. And Newt has now used Reagan many times. He did it in last nights debate, and in some speech clips I’m seeing of his recent speeches, he always brings up Reagan’s name. Does he think that if he says Reagan enough, people will think he is the reincarnation of Reagan?

Even before last night, Gingrich has been getting slammed and hammered because of a speech he did in October, where he indicated that he would subpeona judges based on their rulings, and pull them into Washington and drill them on why they decided as they had. So if he, or the Congress don’t like a ruling, they can be drilled and then fired. Some have argued that the judiciary is one of the three co-equal branches of government, and Gingrich is indicating that he and the Congress can grab power over the judiciary, and make them less than equal. He has argued that some judges are ruling against what the people want. I believe he indicated that in the debate last night. There’s much more to it, but it appears this is one of those 1,000 ideas of Gingrich’s which is one of his bad ideas. I wish one of our legal people would write a diary on the Gingrich judicial issue. I’ve heard that Iowa Gov. Brandstad (sp) said that he was concerned about Gingrich not having the discipline and focus that is required of the president.

No question, in many debates, Bachmann has been seen as the attack dog. Last night I saw her as being very childish with her- he did this, and he said that, like a tattletale school girl. I liked that she brought up Freddie Mac, but geez Michele, enough is enough. Some think she just goes to far, and that may be so. Apparently her attacks are not resonating, especially with the people of Iowa. I keep hearing they don’t like negativity. I did not consider her a winner last night.

This morning Fox had Jason Wright, who has a site called Political Derby on to rate the debate. He said that the losing statement last night came from Rick Perry with his Tebow comment. He said that “everyone was cringing” when he said that. From what I’m reading it was a winning comment by all accounts. He predicted that if Perry doesn’t come in 1st, 2nd or 3rd in Iowa, that he will be the first one to drop out, even though Perry told Cavuto yesterday that even if he comes in 4th he will continue on to the other states. If I’m not mistaken he rated the winners as Romney, Gingrich and Paul. I could have looked at the polls to see that.

I believe that the consensus is that Romney is still playing it safe, and that he is not doing anything to break out of the pack. I agree. It won’t help him.

Paul is a raving lunatic, period. Many have said that if Paul wins in Iowa, the state becomes insignificant, and will lose their impact as the first in the nation. I agree.

Who is Jon Huntsman? Oh, that guy. No thanks.

Again, I think the debate last night was one of the worst, only surpassed by the last Fox debate. Chris Wallace should never be allowed to moderate another GOP debate. He would be much better doing Democrat debates, it would suit him perfectly.

Tebow

tnguy Friday, December 16th at 9:10AM EDT (link)

It was a brilliant comment by Perry, no matter what his detractors say. Why? Because it drew attention to him, at a time when Gingrich and Romney are sucking up most of the oxygen.

I think it’s too little too late for Perry, but he has improved dramatically as a candidate the last month or so.

I still cannot fathom how conservatives can look at this field and come to any conclusion other than Perry, yet as many or more are currently in favor of a man who you say, truthfully, is a raving lunatic.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”

You're hilarious, tnguy.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 9:29AM EDT (link)

LOL!

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 

If Perry would have added GO BRONCOS!

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:06AM EDT (link)

to his answer, I would have started supporting him immediately and probably would have given him some money too. I loved the Tebow line! Bronco fan . . .

 

Tnguy, don't underestimate Rick Perry...

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 1:18PM EDT (link)

That’s what a lot of people do to their detriment. Hang in there it ain’t over yet.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 

Paul,

rcastonjr Friday, December 16th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

a raving lunatic? Then you must really love our founders. You may disagree with his positions on some issues but he is far from being a raving lunatic. He probably knows more about economics and sound money than the rest of Congress combined. You may disagree with his non-interventionist foreign policy (no class, it is not isolationist) but show us please in our founding documents or in our founding history just where the United States was to be anything other than neutral. I guess we can throw out Jefferson’s “no entangling alliances” policy. And scope, just how the heck do you suppose we are going to pay for being the world’s policeman? We are going broke. PERIOD!! Or haven’t you noticed the measly 15 TRILLION in debt we are in today that will be more like 17 TRILLION by the time the election gets here. We are condemning our posterity to slavery. Slavery to an all powerful government. Paul may be many things, but he is not a raving lunatic. This government’s spending habit scares me far more than Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a raving lunatic

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:12AM EDT (link)

there I said it again because it is true. You read too much Alex Jones and Prison Planet. Ron Paul will not be the nominee. The voters are not into committing suicide by electing an 80 year old raving lunatic.

 

Many of our founders would have called him a lunatic too...

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Seeing as Paul is more radical than Jefferson, who was the ‘far left’ of his day (Hamilton would have been the ‘far right’)…

In American political parlance, Ron is indeed an isolationist. The term ‘non-interventionist’ is a ‘Politically Correct’ re-naming of a very obvious historical position: In US political history, an individual who opposes US military involvement overseas is an isolationist. Scientific definition or not, that’s what we call them. And beyond that, what Ron calls ‘sound money’ would result in the complete obliteration of US foreign trade… No one would want to deal with us, if we maintained a deflationary currency…

As for the ‘entangling alliances’ comment, it was WASHINGTON, not JEFFERSON who said that – and he said it in the context of our abjectly powerless position as a new agricultural nation – the warning was against us being the junior-partner to some European nation’s imperial ambitions – with the potential for re-colonization.

It absolutely does NOT apply to the modern USA as the ‘senior partner’, having replaced Britain as the world leader.

Paul’s policies would condemn us to poverty & irrelevance….

Remember: The US was MASSIVELY in debt when we were founded, and it was Hamilton’s Federalists – not the Jeffersonian and later Jacksonian Democrats from which Ron Paul & Pat Buchanan derive their ideology – who advocated paying it off & presented a plan to do so…. A plan Ron would have opposed.

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Wrong.

rcastonjr Friday, December 16th at 5:49PM EDT (link)

It was Jefferson.

And you obviously don’t know a darned thing about Austrian Economics otherwise the whole idea of this fiat currency system would be appalling to you as well. I guess it is quite OK to you for Ben Bernanke to continue to print money out of this air, creating inflation through constant devaluation of the dollar. I’m not buying into this and the sooner we get rid of the FED the better. It’s OK for the FED to lie to the American people as they loaned (printed out of thin air) 7.7 TRILLION to prop up the banks in 2008 rather than the mere 787 Billion TARP we were told about. And you must really hate the poor, middle class, and those on fixed incomes. Inflation quietly steals from them and there is nothing they can do to offset it. Inflation is like a thief in the night that quietly steals from us all little by little.

And don’t hand me any of this BS about isolationism vs non-interventionism. I can’t help it if you don’t know your history enough to know that our Founders wanted to leave others alone but trade with everyone willing, even our enemies. That my friend is non-interventionism. Isolationism would mean we wanted to have nothing to do with anyone…PERIOD. Just because its “what we call them” doesn’t make it the truth.

I’m just curious, why does it seem that here, to be a good conservative, one has to be for constant war. Heck, I can hardly remember when we were not at war. These “entangling alliances” do nothing but draw us into endless wars that are bankrupting our nation. As a former USAF pilot I resent our military being used as pawns in this political game which kills our soldiers. And for what exactly? What exactly did almost 5000 soldiers have to die for in Iraq. And will we end up doing the very same thing in Afghanistan? Leaving with absolutely nothing to show for it. Entangling alliances have consequences. For some of our soldiers its called death.

Oh really -you really don't know what you're talking about (as expected for a typical Paul supporter)!

Dave_A (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 5:17AM EDT (link)

The ‘entangling alliances’ comment was in George Washington’s farewell speech, at the end of his 2nd term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address

NOT JEFFERSON

As for the rest, I’ll start with the banking argument…

First off, I am quite familiar with Austrian Economics… Familiar enough to disagree said school’s view of monetary policy vehemently.

Bashing ‘fiat currency’ shows a complete ignorance of economic reality. If it were so inferior, at least one major free-market economy would use something else – if not as legal tender than as a commonly accepted medium of exchange (there is no law against retailers accepting gold or silver, for example, as payment in the US).

However, ‘alternative’ currency schemes have utterly failed in the marketplace, finding support only in the minds of academics & theorists. The reason for this? Every single alternative currency scheme produces a TERRIBLE medium-of-exchange, and most participants in the economy (a/o academic theorists) don’t really care how well money ‘stores value’, as they prefer to store value in the things they buy with money, rather than money itself.

The argument that ‘bad money drives out good’ similarly fails, as it tends to be used by people who classify money as ‘bad’ if it is not a good store of value, when in reality this doesn’t matter so long as one avoids the extremes.

As for your complaints about the FED, they are completely detached from reality – other than the numbers themselves.

First off, despite all this supposed ‘printing’ (fractional multiplying is more correct), there has been less than 2% inflation over the entire duration of the ‘crisis’ – in some quarters, there has been NEGATIVE inflation (aka ‘DEFLATION’, otherwise known as ‘the ultimate economic catastrophe’) in sub-1% amounts…

Why is this? It’s simple, really: Because our money supply is mostly made up of ‘multiplied’ money rather than actual physical cash, the health of the credit market has a huge impact on the money supply.

In a time of widespread defaults & tight credit, money is actually DESTROYED – the money supply contracts every time a creditor defaults, and also every time a loan is repaid without the recieved money being lent out again.

So tight credit and home mortgage defaults, on their own, would have SHRUNK the money supply, resulting in abject disaster (Deflationary Spiral) for all participants in the economy.

Against this, the FED responds with actions that would NORMALLY create inflation, if not for this deflationary pressure… The result is a shaky balance, with insufficient money-velocity to allow for real growth, but sufficient growth in the money supply to counteract the monetary destruction caused by the above deflationary presssure.

Essentially, your argument is akin to stating that a bathtub will overflow based purely on the amount of water being poured in, ignoring the amount going down the drain.

What Bernanke has done, is balance the scales, nothing more…

If he hadn’t – if he had repeated the mistakes of the 1929 FED and opted for the ‘tight money’ policy YOU advocate, we’d be in a 2nd Great Depression right now.

AS FOR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MILITARY…

As an AF officer, how many men do you personally know who were killed in these wars? Slightly different for the armor & infantry, than for you guys flying fast-movers… So far this tour, my platoon lost 2 men & my company 3… The battalion? 14 – with a few months to go. 5 KIA on my last tour, as well…

However, the far greater cost, would be if the US surrendered to every international thug who blew up a building, shot at our aircraft, or attacked our allies…

Ron’s policies are just that – surrender and isolationist appeasement! The message they send, is ‘give us a black eye, and we’ll turn tail & run’… Every time he talks about ‘blowback’, and suggests that the way to secure peace is to bow to our enemies; demands, he does nothing but embolden them.

And as for cost, a weak & powerless America – no matter how much we want to ‘trade with all’ – would have a far worse economy (no reserve currency status) and far less trade oppertunities than the current globally-dominant America does… If you think this is expensive, Ron’s solution would be worse.

Finally, under Ron’s ‘trade with everyone, even the bad-guys’ philosophy, the US would be an international pariah – a terror-supporting state. People would still hate us for trading with their enemies – but there would be no reason for anyone to ally with or otherwise ‘like’ us….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism

rcastonjr Monday, December 19th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

Like I said, you are wrong. It was Jefferson.

 
 
 

Calling Ron Paul a raving lunatic...

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

…is an insult to raving lunatics. Even the Martians disown him.

 

Ron Paul and the founders

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:56AM EDT (link)

I get tired of Paul supporters trotting that one out if you disagree with, i.e. “if you are against Paul on [insert issue] you are against the founders.” Let me toss some names at you: Hamilton, Washington, Jay, Adams, for starters. Guess what they all have in common? They supported the Bank of the U.S. Something no self-respecting Paulite could countenance. Yet they are founders. Jefferson, though suspicious of the bank, didn’t tamper with the first BUS during his 8 years in the presidency.There’s just a bit on the “founders” for you on a single issue, so stop tossing that canard out there; it is disingenuous.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

exactly right

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:09PM EDT (link)

Paul and his supporters, to call themselves “Constitutional conservatives”, are some of the most ignorant people when it comes to the Constitution or American history.

The Founders were Federalists (these, for the Paultards out there, are people who believed in a strong central government) like Washington and Anti-Federalists like Jefferson. Both Washington and Adams engaged in undeclared wars. The US government had a mutual defense treaty with France until the XYZ Affair made it untenable.

The grabbing of “proof texts” from a single founder and applying it, without context, to a current situation is a mark of these people. The famous Franklin quote:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

for instance, was directed at the settlers in Western Pennsylvania who were under constant Indian attack at the outset of the French and Indian War and were clamoring for a militia while the state legislature, under the leadership of Franklin, refused to permit a militia as a way of extracting concessions from the Penn proprietors. The concession being the ability to tax their land holdings.

These people are morons.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Nice one Streiff

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:26PM EDT (link)

I like it- I wonder what Paul and Paulites would say about the Barbary Pirate war. We only had to pay them tribute because our merchant ships dared to sail in the Mediterranean. If they hadn’t done that, why, they wouldn’t have started attacking them.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 

The Founders were Federalists (these, for the Paultards out there, are people who believed in a strong central government)

rcastonjr Saturday, December 17th at 3:15PM EDT (link)

I think I’ll throw up the BS flag on that statement. If what you say is true then why is The Constitution a document of “negative liberties” for government. IN other words it specifically spells out the very few things government was to be able to do as opposed to the things they could NOT do. It is specific in the enumerated powers of the central government. Very specific. Gingrich is right, we should go after the Supremes and any other level of the judicial branch that tramples on The Constitution. The Judicial was specifically designed to be the weakest of the three branches. You got it wrong Streiff. Instead it has become the strongest by far. We are about to find out just how out of bounds they are when they rule on Obamacare. And if Kagan doesn’t recuse herself she should be impeached and thrown off the court.

 
 

Allright

rcastonjr Friday, December 16th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

So tell me Mr. Historian, just what would a candidate look like that actually believed in our Constitution AS IT IS WRITTEN”. I just love it here sometimes. Her we are, on a supposedly conservative site, and we are arguing about how the founders were FOR big government (federalists). Am I caught up in some kind of time warp where everything is backwards. Our founders were not for big government and went well out of their way to make sure we didn’t end up with one. The enumerated powers were specific and unfortunately Supreme Courts have bastardized The Constitution to the point that it is no longer recognizable. A whole war was fought over a government getting too big for its britches (no, it wasn’t about slavery as Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation only freed the southern slaves). I like the fact that Rick Perry wants to get the FEDS off of the states backs. Is that OK with you? JW

Not arguing about the constitution

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:32PM EDT (link)

Just the fact that Ron Paulites throw that tired old line out whenever you disagree with them. The facts are that some founders envisioned a bigger government than others. I would agree that most, if not all, of their heads would explode if they saw the size and role of our current federal government. The problem is, not every government solution is unconstitutional or something the “founders” would have opposed just because Paulistas don’t like it. The founders were not monolithic in their beliefs. Many of them believed that constitution authorized a national bank, though it wasn’t specifically enumerated due to the “necessary and proper” clause. The point here is not whether the Federal government is too large- we have no disagreements on that- but rather than everything or everyone a Paulista doesn’t like is given the “founders” treatment, and I am simply calling B.S. on it.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

Ok. I can buy into that.

rcastonjr Saturday, December 17th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

For what it is worth there are many things Paul stands for that would be very good for our country. Monetary policy, i.e. getting rid of the FED, re-establishing a gold standard, a balanced budget as well as a smaller government being among them.

I can’t imagine our founders ever envisioned the kinds of weaponry we have today so I tend to agree with you that there are situations that we need to protect ourselves from. Where I disagree with Neo-cons is the incessant need to be involved with every skirmish that takes place all over the globe. We had absolutely no business taking part in the “Arab Spring” at all. We actually helped destabilize an entire region of the world by our interference. And we actually ended up helping people that don’t like us very much if at all. We helped bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power in Egypt. Ain’t that just grand. And in Libya we don’t even know who the heck we actually helped. That will turn out to be another Egypt. I agree that we need a strong military. The strongest actually. But we are spread too thin and are in too many places and we cannot afford it. We are canceling the most advanced fighter in the world because we can’t afford to make them anymore. Maybe if we quit nation building and closed down those almost 900 bases in 300 countries we could afford to actually keep our weapons systems in production. Why are we in Germany? Britain? Spain? etc etc. And now we are going to keep troops in Australia. When does it stop. Iraq and Afghanistan will go down as as failures before it is over. Just wait and see. We will have spent trillions trying to impose our will and our way of life on those two countries and it will ultimately buy us nothing. I guess what I am saying is that we need sanity in government. We cannot defend the world and we ain’t gonna convert them all to Republics either. We should stop trying. Our founders, yes those guys, thought the best way to win folks over was to mind our own business, trade with everyone willing, and convert by example. Maybe we should try it since we aren’t winning them over the other way and going broke trying. And by the way, we stand no chance at all of converting Muslims to our way of life. They are on a mission from Allah and we will not win that battle unless we accept what it means for them to truly be Muslim. They are in the middle of a caliphate and the world is their target. Don’t take my word for it, just check with the Koran. Anyway, gotta run. Christmas presents to buy and wrap!

 
 
 
 
 

jason, on prior F&F visits...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:54AM EDT (link)

…has also bashed Perry inappropriately.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

Pants on Fire...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:21AM EDT (link)

Another Bachmann “non-sequitur”

…At that point, Bachmann jumped back in. “Well, after the debates that we had last week, PolitiFact came out and said that everything that I said was true. And the evidence is that Speaker Gingrich took $1.6 million. You don’t need to be within the technical definition of being a lobbyist to still be influence-peddling with senior Republicans in Washington, D.C., to get them to do your bidding.”

Wait… what? We said that “everything” Bachmann had said was true?

Actually, that’s not what we said.

(Snip…)

Her comment about our ratings was also a bit of a non-sequitur. Neither of the two items we checked addressed the subject at hand — Gingrich’s work for Freddie Mac, what he thinks of Freddie Mac today, or whether Gingrich was ever a lobbyist.

Maybe Bachmann was simply trying to burnish her image as a truth teller. However, using PolitiFact to back up that assertion is a bit unusual. Her PolitiFact report card shows 59 percent of her statements rated have earned either a False or Pants on Fire. She has earned five Trues, three Mostly Trues, six Half Trues, seven Mostly Falses, 19 Falses and 11 Pants on Fires.

Our ruling

During the Sioux City debate, Bachmann said that “after the debate that we had last week, PolitiFact came out and said that everything I said was true.” That’s simply not the case. We rated two statements by Bachmann from that debate and ruled one of them Mostly True and the other one Pants on Fire. So for claiming she had a perfect record, she earns another Pants on Fire.

Note:

When did the media arm of the Democrat Party have a change of heart and decide to lend credibility to former Bush AG’s Gonzales and Mukasey?

You may wish to actually read Newt’s position paper on reigning in the federal judiciary, and then judge for yourself… before repeating the talking points.

21st Century Contract with America
Part 1: Legislative Proposals

Section 9: Restore the proper role of the judicial branch

Position Paper Supporting Item No. 9 of the 21st Century Contract with America (pdf)

Bringing the Courts Back Under the Constitution

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 

Disagree slightly about Bachmann

Paul_Zummo (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:53AM EDT (link)

I was very impressed with her until that last exchange Newt. I hold the two of them in about the same lever of esteem (second tier behind the Ricks) and thought Newt got the better of it. More importantly, her “I’m a serious candidate” remark was just plain awkward.

The only person who probably hurt himself was Paul. I think some of the people supporting or considering him really were unaware of foreign policy kookery until tonight. Huntsman looked as bland as ever, but he’s a non-entity anyway.

Look, there are basically three people who could win this nomination right now: Gingrich, Romney, and Perry. Everything else is white noise.

Being a National Right to Life Supporter

medicineman Friday, December 16th at 9:26AM EDT (link)

and getting the newsletter, having a 97.5% rating is up there.

Michelle just throws stuff up there to see’s what sticks. Perry, Cain, Newt….not much with Mittens.

I guess she is great debate prep for the big dance,

Funny thing is talking to non-political people/dems/libs, many see her as the Tea Party leader….I have to QUICKLY correct them….I tell them she is self appointed.

 

If you have to say "I'm a serious candidate"

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:32AM EDT (link)

…you’re not. Bachmann is a back bench Member of the House at best. Talks an OK game, but fundamentally is a twit.

Change

 
 

Perry's Debate Highlights from last night

bzip Friday, December 16th at 9:07AM EDT (link)

Breitbart as a lot of good highlights from the debate last night for all the candidates:
http://www.breitbart.tv/

Perry hammers congress: Send them home, Let them get a job like everyone else
http://youtu.be/PdkvpZfXhF0

Perry: Obama Has Most Muddled Foreign Policy I Can Remember
http://youtu.be/bGtX8IC2l9Q

Perry Praises 10th Amendment In Defense Of Texas Energy Policy
http://youtu.be/WTJzOdY_WWc

Perry: Holder Should Resign For Not Knowing About Fast And Furious
http://youtu.be/HSix3yjnnZw

Perry: I’m The Tim Tebow Of Presidential Race
http://youtu.be/T8SGMpOcVGc

Thanks for posting this bzip

irishgirl Friday, December 16th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

didn’t get to see debate last night.

Yes, thanks Bzip for posting!

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 6:56AM EDT (link)

I missed it all and so appreciate seeing how much better Rick Perry seems to be. He is so much more engaged and I personally loved his Tim Tebow comparison. He definitely is getting over his back surgery.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 
 

Bachmann

paco12348 Friday, December 16th at 9:08AM EDT (link)

I just can’t go Bachmann and Gingrich was correct, Bachmann often has her facts wrong.
I can’t go Huntsman. He’s too dang patronizing and elitist. Just turns me off.
I thought Newt, Romney and Perry were outstanding last night. Santorum may be before his time. He’s just not catching on.
I like Paul but the more he talks about his view of Iran the more it frightens me.
Peter Johnson Jr. said Newt was correct about the courts. He read Newt’s paper on it so that needs some clearing up. Others say Newt is wrong. I want to hear more because our court system is out of control.

newt is both right/wrong...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)

…in that Congress does have Constitutional oversight, but that impeaching a judge for a decision would establish dangerous precedent.

Perry’s ideas are superior, namely, term-limits.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

Michelle sounded like a Beck parrott last night

medicineman Friday, December 16th at 9:19AM EDT (link)

She wasn’t AS shrill, but she has been on the Beck program a touch too much ” Say what I mean and mean what I say”…and a few others…

Gotta get original….

Would be nice to know exactly what Newt did for 1.6, maybe he should get it out there?….but she is lucky he is taking the high road…being a tax attorney, she probably has some GE type skeletons in the closet…

The best part of her politifact comment

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:27AM EDT (link)

Was that politifact instantly tweeted that she was lying, and then gave her a pants on fire rating for the claim.. In fact for the last debate she had gotten one mostly true and one pants on fire claim, and neither had to do with the Freddie Mac stuff they were talking about at the time.

 

I agree with this.

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:01AM EDT (link)

She really is nothing more than an attack dog. One reason she has fallen so far is because she only tells us who and what she is against. She’s right, and I agree with most of her statements. However, she needed to be more. She needed to unite the GOP around her ideas. We are already united against Obama.

 
 

Bachmann/Perry/Romney

concrusade Friday, December 16th at 9:21AM EDT (link)

A great, substantive debate all around.

Michelle really brought her A-game against Newt. Though she has a history of misrepresenting the truth, she was spot-on with her attacks against Newt’s problem with big government. She should continue to see an uptick in Iowa — and I get the idea she’s not going to take her foot off the gas on Newt.

Romney had some fantastic answers, especially the Bain vs. GM against Obama, as well as his “pretty please” answer regarding the drone in Iran. His social answers are always a liability, but he articulated himself well enough to make me feel more comfortable on his stance if he becomes the nominee. For all the anti-Romney on this site, you must admit that if Romney debates Obama like he did last night, it’s a W in November.

Perry had his best performance to date. It’s still a bit of a white-knuckle ride during his responses, but he’s improved dramatically. He could tighten up his part-time congress line as that’s clearly a crowd favorite. But a very good rebound for Perry last night.

Debates? Do you really believe

jgge Friday, December 16th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

the election is going to be won based on debates? You are too foolish to realize that elections are won and lost long before any debate starts in the general elections. Romney the Wall Street Financier is not going to win the elections against Obama in this environment where a majority of voters disdain Wall Street with great passion. It is simply amazing the stupidity of those who think Romney the CEO of Bain Capital and who is Obama dream opponent for the class warfare strategy is going to win the elections. Do you Romney supporters have any brains? Seriously are you that dumb, delusional and detached from the real world?

This primary is going to be won on debates.

concrusade Friday, December 16th at 11:07AM EDT (link)

The only reason Rick Perry isn’t still in first place is because of debates. Conversely, the only reason Newt is the frontrunner is because of his ability to debate. If you fail to recognize that, you haven’t followed this primary at all.

So are you demonizing “Romney the CEO of Bain Capital” because he believes in capitalism? What leads you to believe that class warfare will win the election? Last time I checked, an overwhelming majority disapprove of the Occupy movement.

I’m not Romney supporter, but I’m willing to call the shots as I see them — unlike the anti-Romney movement who refuse to give the man credit where credit is clearly due.

I don’t know who your dog is in this race, but I’d like to hear your argument for why they will win instead of resorting to name-calling.

 
 
 

Perry did great

countryroad2012 Friday, December 16th at 9:35AM EDT (link)

I thought Perry did great last night. Really had a couple of funny lines, answered the questions he got well as a conservative. I did like him correcting Bret about Regan’s quote. I wonder if they will play that over and over again on the news shows. I also liked his come back to Neil, I don’t think Neil expected him to be able to answer. Laughed out loud on that one. Romney did ok. His best answer was on GM vs what he did. He did not go after Gingrich for his earlier in the week attack on capitalism. Unfortunately, Romney has no passion. Newt is as usual a big government solutions guy. He is a liar when he states he did not lobby for money, tax payers money.

Yeah, I thought the comeback to Cavuto was great.....

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 9:41AM EDT (link)

………didn’t think Cavuto looked very happy with the snappy comeback……thought I saw his face turn kinduv red and pouty for a sec. ;)

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

Yip!

unitedwestood Friday, December 16th at 10:33AM EDT (link)

That’s exactly what I said to Hubby this morning about Cavuto…. I like Neil, but that was priceless, I thought. :)

 
 
 

I have to ask, am I the only one who doesn't like the part-time congress idea?

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

I get the appeal, but it seems to me this would just result in a more powerful presidency. And when I think about the fact that people like Obama can become president, I really don’t like this idea. Am I really alone in this?

I get that it’s popular (and justified) to bash Congress right now. I just don’t see how working 140 days every other year makes them better. And the idea of them having to get jobs like everyone else? As fun as it is to imagine, no congressman is going to be working at walmart. They’re just going to be paid employees of big businesses, who now will be able to bribe them openly by calling it their salary. Most of them will probably get multiple jobs. I don’t see how encouraging crony capitalism is going to help anything.

Want to cut their pay? I’m behind you. Want term limits so that people can’t become career politicians? Fully support that. Part time congress? Seems like a solution that will cause more problems then it will fix.

I love the idea of a part congress

bzip Friday, December 16th at 9:59AM EDT (link)

To me, I love the idea of a part time congress for several reasons:

As it stands now, congress must have way too much time on their hands if they can keep coming up with and passing bills that have no business even being thought about. Plenty of examples but lets take the light bulb one as a example. If they have that much time to be working on nonsense like that – they have too much free time.

Less time means more focus on what actually needs to be done, priorities.

We don’t need anymore politicians making a full time living at this. They need to work within their districts in regular jobs working with everyday people so they are far more in touch with the every day people and have a better understanding of the laws in which they pass.

Part time means you prioritize

texabama Friday, December 16th at 10:56AM EDT (link)

I love the idea of a part time Congress, though at the federal level I do think it needs to meet yearly. The less they meet, the more important each meeting becomes. Coupled with a balanced budget amendment that means they will be spending most of their time coming up with a budget and less with “nanny state” laws or pandering to special interests. I also think emphasis needs to be placed on how laws are written. They need to be readable and shouldn’t involve dozens of other tomes as citations.

Exactly

easyb (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:13PM EDT (link)

Why on God’s green earth does the Senate have the time to occasionally bring professional athletes to testify on steroids, but not put out a budget?

When it comes to government, less is more….

 
 
 

the subliminal thought, here...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:01AM EDT (link)

…is that the work-load would retract to befit the available time to be expended.

This would allow the Feds to defer to the States on a broad swath of issues, c/w the 10th Amendment.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

I would agree, Dr. Bob....

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:25AM EDT (link)

I think it’s a back-door way of encouraging his 10th Amendment stance. Rather than making a frontal assault on Congress, he attacks their waste of time in spending days talking about naming a building in Erie after an ex-Congressman (which I heard once while watching C-Span) or naming post offices, allowing more of what needs to get done by government to be done in its proper sphere at the state level. Simultaneously, it makes Congress less attractive for those who wish to profit through unethical means like insider trading and influence peddling.

 

But on the other hand

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:03AM EDT (link)

As we are seeing with the omnibus bill sometimes deadlines are just used to push bad deals that the voters don’t know what is in. I understand that paradoxically sometimes having less time means you get more done, but Congress is so broken at this point I just wonder if they’d do their jobs worse.

And again, there is zero chance that congressmen will gets jobs that allows them to understand what regular americans are going through. They will get “jobs” as senior advisers or some other nonsense title for businesses that like big government as long as it’s on their side. I still think term limits are the better way to make sure they don’t get too far away from their roots.

Znjs...Think about it.

aggie91 Friday, December 16th at 11:34AM EDT (link)

As a self-employed Patriot I would love to represent my fellow citizens in Washington. I can’t even contemplate it because my family business would fail if I were to do something like that. Now if it was a part-time gig I could figure a way to fit 70 days out of each year into a logical business plan. Citizen legislators are what the founding farthers intended.

I'm not sure that doesn't make it worse

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:53PM EDT (link)

No offense to you aggie91, but I look at the bills that Congress has to pass, particularly on matters of national security. Spending bills, especially as you know people are going to try to slip in earmarks for, these things take a lot of time and energy to go over. I’m not sure I want you only part time looking at that stuff when your main focus, deservedly so, is always going to be your business, and this is just a part time thing you do a couple weeks a year.

And again, I feel like this really raises the power of the president, something that I’m opposed to. With no full time congress there pushing back on him and his claims in the media, he really gains a lot of power.

 
 

The goal is NOT to "get more done". It's to get

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:55PM EDT (link)

less done. Much less.

Change

 
 
 

It's an idea I just can't get...

ffc99 Friday, December 16th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

terribly excited about one way or the other because there’s absolutely no chance that Rick Perry could get such legislation passed at any point in time during his potential presidency. Also, am I the only one who gets flashbacks to a diminutive Tennessean in a plaid shirt ranting about “cutting their pay and sending them home” whenever Perry discusses this issue?

Agree he probably wouldn't get this accomplished

texabama Friday, December 16th at 10:59AM EDT (link)

but like all things which eventually come to pass it must first be suggested. He is starting the conversation and even though it may be years down the road we are at least talking about it.

But if you read the second...

ffc99 Friday, December 16th at 11:11AM EDT (link)

sentence in my post, he actually isn’t the guy starting the conversation…

 

Perry's plans for our country are visionary.

cheetah2 (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:18PM EDT (link)

We need big changes in our Federal government. It is not the government or the president that will make the changes. It is WE the People. With a leader like Perry who has the vision and is willing to work to get us there, who knows what we could accomplish!

“Where there is no vision, the people perish…” Proverbs 29:18

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I think that leads us to the question of what was his signiture legislative achievement was in Texas?

jimmyg Friday, December 16th at 11:02AM EDT (link)

Other than keeping the train on the tracks, what achievements did Rick Perry have in Texas. He is Gov. of a deep red state, with a republican legislature, which was low tax, low reg., etc.. Other than Keep the train going straight ahead, what has he accomplished through legislation in Texas?

Tort reform

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:10AM EDT (link)

ntxt

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 

Part time congress & Term limits are both BAD ideas....

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:12AM EDT (link)

If you think the professionals are screwed up, wait until we let amateurs play….

The governance of a nation of over 300 million people, with global military and economic commitments, is NOT a ‘rec league’ sport….

Just look at Obama if you want proof – inexperience is NOT a virtue.

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

It works in Texas

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:05PM EDT (link)

which is what Perry is basing his idea of a part-time legislature on. The Texas legislature sits in one session every two years. Oddly, the state doesn’t go down the toilet without them being there 24/7/365 are our federal congress seems to do. What do the so-called “professionals” bring to the table? The ability to find new ways to take away liberties and more ways to spend our money on stupid programs? Reducing the time they sit, and limiting the session length reduces their ability to do damage. Besides which, if there is truly a crisis, they can be called into special session, as happens here in Texas when need arises.

Don’t kid yourself that the same pros won’t be in those seats, either; most have the independent means and/or connections to get elected. What’s more perhaps we could even do with more “amateurs” like Ron Johnson.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 

No, Perry needs to drop the Part Time US Congress thing

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:26PM EDT (link)

Perry is debating better. He’s been campaigning regularly and it shows. “Tim Tebow of the Iowa Caucuses” was excellent on several levels.

But this Part Time Congress idea sounds gimmicky and unserious. Presumably it’s working in Texas — and maybe that pays tribute to the fact Texas is a red state that functions well with much less government but suggesting it for the US Congress only underlines the differences between Governing Texas and serving as President of the United States and suggests Governor Perry doesn’t appreciate the differences.

I agree with you znjs in that Perry gives the impression that he wants to expand the powers of the executive branch by diminishing the powers of a Constitutionally co-equal branch of Government, and bringing up hundreds of vetoes in Texas and mentioning their Congress only meets every other year only emphasizes that Perry has never had to really work with Congress in the way he would need to as President.

And, as much as people like to bash Congress. it does – at least in theory- do a job. If we, God willing, wind up with a Republican President and a Republican majority in both houses — it will imperative that both branches make the most of that opportunity to restore conservative. Responsibly cutting back and/or dismantling many liberal programs will be a full time joh.

clowngirl, so you dispute the system set up by the Founders?

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 12:34PM EDT (link)

Because Congress was, at the time of our Founders, a part time, citizen-legislature job. Not the full time job it is now. Hell, even Ben Franklin thought they should not be paid for their time spent in Congress.

Texas is not the only state that has a part-time Congress. And it wasn’t always the “red” state that it is now. At one time in recent history, Texas would have been considered a solid (D) state.

You say Congress does a job. Then explain why we are three years without a Constitutionally mandated budget and keep passing Omnibus Bills? It seems that if Congress has a job to do, they are failing miserably at doing it.

retire05

I'd say there's a big difference

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:01PM EDT (link)

In what Congress all had to deal with during the 1700′s and what they do now. Particularly now dealing with a global economy and conflicts over the globe. Plus then it was a lot fewer states, it’s not hard to come up with a decent compromise when you only have delegates from 13 states as opposed to 50. I wouldn’t dispute that it worked then, only that that it would still work now. Well unless you want to go to Ron Paul’s international strategy, but that doesn’t really appeal to me.

 

There were problems with the original design

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:15PM EDT (link)

Which is why we started ammending it almost as soon as we ratified it…

The first mistake to correct, was the VP being the ’1st loser’ in the Presidential election…

A part time congress wasn’t a bad idea back then, when the country was small, powerless, and there was very little for Congress to do…

However, the nation is alot bigger, with a far more complex set of demands on the US government – even if we only consider foreign policy and the enumerated powers, as applied to the current size & scope of the nation.

Same thing applies to ‘it works in Texas’ – Texas has far less on it’s plate than even a reduced federal government would…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

You two are correct

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:38PM EDT (link)

in that the government has had to grow to a degree, and along with it, Congress’ responsibilities, to deal with a changing and more complex world. However, what the hell do they do all session? Think up new rules, regulations, fees, taxes, that’s what. I submit to you that the really meaningful work they actually do in terms of global trade, mnational security, etc. could be done in half the time. Not to mention a large part of what the original congress did is now farmed out to bureaucrats in the agencies.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 
 

One huge advantage to a part-time congress, clowngirl ...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:48PM EDT (link)

is that it increases the relative power of the individual statehouses….

and dilutes the effect of lobbyist dollars…..

and makes it much easier for conservatives to actually get somewhere because we can finally engage on more suitable ground – D.C. is a narrow place where the liberals can concentrate their money and win, conservatives will fare much better on a wide plain where our superior numbers can come to bear.

Note that Perry also brought up the idea of each state as a laboratory, trying different solutions to the ills of our time – that only works if the Libs can’t successfully “make a federal case out of it”… it’s part and parcel with reducing the power of D.C.

Remember that our founders first set up a confederacy of States, they didn’t go back and strengthen the Federal Government until 1789, and did so then only hesitantly. We’re pretty far off their blueprint.

Mew

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the unintended consequence

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:05PM EDT (link)

is that it would vastly increase the power of regulatory agencies because of the absence of regular oversight

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

agree

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:09PM EDT (link)

any plan to limit congress and give authority back to states has to include gutting or revising the role of ALL the regulatory agencies.

would love to see it happen, but unsure of how realistic it is.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

that is the huge issue for the nation

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:16PM EDT (link)

that no one is talking about, how do we hamstring the regulatory agencies? That is how federalism and individual liberties are being eroded.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Require an affirmative, up or down vote

cwilson (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:07PM EDT (link)

before any new regulation can go into effect. If it has the force of law, then our Congress ought to have the final say.

Did you know that the Senate votes to confirm each and every military officer promotion? If they can do that, they can certainly review regulations that effect every man, woman, child, and business in the US.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

Problem is Congress is made of lawyers.

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:33PM EDT (link)

Most lawyers don’t have a technical background (read: history majors) and such is the reason we have ‘experts’, i.e. bureaucracies,to interpret science into layman terms.

However, most conservatives don’t go into the bureaucracies (understandable) and even less make the way up the chain of management. The President only changes the top man; the work horses stay the same from administration to administration.

So more conservatives need to get involved in the bureaucracy and the bureaucracy needs to be reduced.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 
 
 
 

Funny thing, streiff, is that the guy who wants to make congress part-time ...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:17PM EDT (link)

is the same guy who has been battling the EPA, ICE, and other alphabet-soup agencies for over a decade….

One would imagine he gets it.

Mew

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But would he be able to rid them

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:22PM EDT (link)

in a way that would prevent the next president from re-establishing those types of agencies or worse?

presidents don't establish agencies

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:11PM EDT (link)

Congress does because it has to appropriate monies.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

streiff, you need to research

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 2:24PM EDT (link)

Reorganization Plan Number 3, signed as an EO by Richard Nixon.

retire05

no, you need to do research

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:11PM EDT (link)

The EPA was established by congress under Title 5 USC. The EO was Nixon’s proposal to Congress. If you are going to call me out on something do me the courtesy of knowing what the heck you are talking about. Life is short enough without wasting my time giving basic civics lessons.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

streiff, my, my, aren't you testy today?

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 3:39PM EDT (link)

I suggest you research Reorganization Plan Number 5 and all of a sudden you are turning into a rude, obnoxious creton that seems to have your Hanes in a wad?

Perhaps a Rx for Valium is needed as your moniker should be changed from streiff to stress.

Now, I won’t respond to you again because, for me, life is too short to deal with absolute jerks.

retire05

This coming from someone who accused the entire state of NH of being racists

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:44PM EDT (link)

because they don’t agree with the viewpoint TX and Perry have pertaining to in-state tuition and illegal immigration?

You’ve got no basis to call streiff a jerk, retire05, when you’ve known to display far more evidence of “testiness” as you call it.

He’s a mod. He and the other mods somehow manage to deal with the lot of us day in and day out without completely and totally losing it. Respect it for what it is.

I've been called worse

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:13PM EDT (link)

I find it is endemic in people who are unable to read

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

lineholder,

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 4:24PM EDT (link)

I am sorry you have a reading comprehenion disability. I pointed out that NH is 98% WHITE and that people of color seem to not be loading up the buses moving there. There is a reason that minorities do not feel welcome to move to NH. Want to explain to me (since you think I am wrong) what that would be, if not for a bias against them?

I don’t care if streiff is a purple armadillo. He was a jerk, and that is the end of that. BTW, mods are simply those who are philosophically challenged. They usually are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. i.e. confused.

And not surprising you would inject yourself into a conversation that is between two other posters, yet, you seem to have problems answering questions, when posed to you. And since you seem to think that it is OK to bash me and my state, perhaps you would like to answer that question I posed to you?

Which do you prefer dealing with? The illegal who is willing to do hard manual labor for 8/10 hours a day or the welfare recipient who never contributed a damn thing to our society and simply leeches off the taxpayer?

BTW, lineholder, I would be interested in knowing what fabulous state you live in. I got the impression it is SC. Care to enlighten me? I want to compare your state to mine. Fair is fair, after all.

retire05

Wow, overreact much? Time to unplug, retire05.

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

From the internet, I mean.

This post proves nothing more than lineholder’s correct and you’re cranky. And that’s putting it much more nicely than I would.

Take a walk.

Mew

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acat, I didn't draw

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 5:09PM EDT (link)

first blood. streiff did with his/her insulting remarks and name calling. Lineholder stuck his nose where it did not belong.

So, no, I’m not cranky. Just don’t suffer fools easily.

retire05

No sale, retire05. Your rant at lineholder...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:14PM EDT (link)

should have been directed at streiff then.

Further, unless I’m gravely mistaken, this isn’t 2nd grade, so who drew first blood doesn’t apply.

Take a break.

Mew

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acat, have you become the new

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 5:28PM EDT (link)

self appointed board monitor?

Also, my first response WAS directed at streiff, had you bothered to follow the thread. Lineholder, like you, chose to inject him/herself into a conversation between two others. Your comments were unsoliticited and unwarranted. Or is streiff not man enough to fight his own battles and needs a cat to defend him?

retire05

retire05, have you become my new...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:31PM EDT (link)

scratching post?

See, all your whine does is to prove streiff’s point that you didn’t read the whole thing… read the entire thread again.

Baka

Mew

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acat, a wise person

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 5:34PM EDT (link)

minds their own business.

I suggest you invest in some wisdom.

retire05

Let me just point out the obvious, retire05...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:39PM EDT (link)

That reply you made to streiff above?

He was speaking to me.

Clearly, you didn’t read the whole thing – as streiff pointed out.

Walk away.

Mew

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yes, acat, I know his original response was to you.

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 5:53PM EDT (link)

But do I now have to seek your permission to respond to him when he posts a response that is not name specific?

Again, when did you become the self appointed board monitor where you are allowed to determine who responds to who?

Butt out!

retire05

Again, to point out the obvious, retire05...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:05PM EDT (link)

I didn’t say word one to you until your bloviating at lineholder.

You can go right ahead and pester streiff all you want, in fact I’ll make popcorn!

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acat, the only thing that is obvious

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 6:26PM EDT (link)

is that you seem to be a busybody.

Lineholder, and streiff are both adults and should be capable of handling themselves. If not, they don’t belong here as they probably have homework to do. So get a hobby, read a book, take a class in basket weaving, but keep your nose out of other people’s business.

retire05

retire05, you seem to be confused.

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

You lobbed a verbal hand grenade at a poster I believe to be of good character, in a thread that I was participating in well before you.

There’s really no way your “other peoples’ business” claim stands.

Do find another way out. I’d suggest offering lineholder and streiff an apology.

Mew

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retire- Please do me a big favor

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:24PM EDT (link)

walk away from what is now becoming a yuccky argument. You had said that you were not going to respond any longer to streiff, just let it there. It’s unfortunate that other’s interject and advise when a discussion/argument or whatever it is, is between two people, which in many cases makes the exchange worse than it is or should be. I love your posts, and want you to carry on with your great posts that inform. Just let it go when there are so many more important things to talk about then he said she said. I believe that most know the posting styles of the regulars, and pretty much where they will come down on the issues.

Scope, your wish

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 6:28PM EDT (link)

is my command.

Done.

retire05

Merry Christmas retire

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

and I do hope you, and all of yours have a great, happy and wonderful Christmas season. Did you hang your J-I-N-G-L-E Bells. I just love that song, it is so happy and upbeat. If anyone even thinks about giving me a hoodie footie for Christmas they are going to wear it on their head. LOL

Scope, and a blessed Christmas to you.

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 7:40PM EDT (link)

It is a busy season. Last night the county GOP Christmas party, tomorrow another party at a friend’s home.

This year I put some stuff on my Christmas wish list that will do a number of things; increase American jobs, make Henry Rifle’s profit margin greater which will please investors, and add to my collection.

My favorite Christmas tune is “Oh, Holy Night.”

retire05

retire- That is too much

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 8:36PM EDT (link)

I have my favorite Christmas tunes, and they are many. My absolute most favorite religious Christmas song has long been Oh, Holy Night. It has been my very favorite since I sang in the high school choir for the Christmas show, and we did a great job with that song. Can you imagine a high school choir now having a Christmas show with many religious songs? Will never happen.

A very blessed and happy Christmas to you also my friend. I don’t mean that in any McCain kind of way either. LOL

O Holy Night is my favorite Christmas carol, too.

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:47PM EDT (link)

Especially if sung by either Josh Groban or Jackie Evancho…heaven on earth! And before I forget, let me wish you and retire05 a very Merry Christmas as well.

National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.

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Hey, it's my prerogative if I want to be protective of the mods here, retire05

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:33PM EDT (link)

NO, I’m not answering any more of your questions. You’re a bait-and-switch operator, and a cool one at that, who just tries to gain an edge so that you can be condescending and patronizing to other people. You aren’t in the least bit interested in actually carrying on a conversation with other people, finding out what they think about things and why. All you want to do is to twist whatever they say against them for the sake of supporting Rick Perry.

Forget it. I’m not playing that game.

 
 
 

I read it, it is obvious you didn't

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

It is also obvious that you are completely unfamiliar with how our government work. You make a completely stupid statement, contrary to all proof and persist.

Establishment
Reorganization Plan No. 3 was prepared by President Nixon and sent to the Senate and House of Representatives in Congress assembled July 9, 1970, in agreement with the provisions of chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code. The plan was originally approved under special Congressional procedures, but its legality was called into question due to the Supreme Court decision in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919 (1983). Congress responded by enacting the Reorganization Plan in Public Law 98-614. [7]

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 
 
 

Therefore, a part-time congress can create fewer agencies...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:05PM EDT (link)

and, as we’ve had such great results getting our full-time congress to even pass a damn budget, something every small business person in America manages to do, I’m really not seeing a huge risk to cutting their time in D.C. in half.

Now, if we can require all Federal employees to use the V.A. for treatment (and move the healthcare budget for all federal employees over to the VA at the same time…)

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

agency creation isn't a problem

streiff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

regulations issued by agencies already created is the problem

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Thus it falls under the executive, not legislative....

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:26PM EDT (link)

to rein them in, yes?

If so, then .. the candidates currently running for chief executive who have proposed to remove agencies are Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Rick Perry. Romney wants to tinker, Gingrich wants to streamline, and who cares what Santorum or Bachmann want?

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

this is why part time congress proposal is foolish pandering by perry

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:14PM EDT (link)

Congress doesn’t pass most regs, regs are put out by agencies. Congress is really the only check on those agencies by oversight. Judges defer because the laws are so vaguely written.

We need far more oversight of federal bureaucracy than we have now. A half time congress means much less oversight. Things like solyndra and fast and furious are more likely to go undiscovered with less oversight.

So, the answer to an out of control D.C. bureaucracy is an out of control D.C. legislature?

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:20PM EDT (link)

This doesn’t even make sense!

Why not do the simpler task of eliminating agencies? Get rid of the Department of Transportation, for instance… move the FAA and pipeline oversight over to the DoD (since it’s redundant with work they do already.. and who better than DoD to know hazardous materials?) sell off Amtrak, and turn the rest back to the States?

No agency == no oversight needed!

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

agreed acat

red_oakster (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:30PM EDT (link)

A pt Congress and an energetic executive could curtail federal agencies if they wanted. There would have to be a congressional majority to push through changes via budget reconciliation. And the president would have to be actively involved with committed appointees in rolling back regulations. The part-time nature of the legislature would not affect this one way or the other. In fact, it would deprive the liberal media of the congressional platform for manufactured stories half of the year.

Having said that, like the balanced budget amendment, this one is more bravado than real. Limited government: just do it.

 
 
 
 
 
 

I disagree about Bachmann, I don't think

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:58AM EDT (link)

she helped herself much at all, if at all. She has shown that she is really not much more than attack dog. She attacks everyone. She is at her best attacking Obama, but, nevertheless, that’s all she does. That’s why she won’t place in the top three and will be done after Iowa. Believe it or not, Republicans to want their nominee to have an agenda that includes, but is also more than, rolling back what Obama has done.

Michele played an excellent role...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:03AM EDT (link)

…policing The Newt and Paul.

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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

I think she's done after Iowa

WY_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:18AM EDT (link)

and he only purpose seems to be to attack, attack, attack. If she hurt Newt and Paul (I doubt she hurt Paul, he hurt himself) then that really isn’t much of a service.

Bachmann appears to be Romney's proxy ...

acat (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:50PM EDT (link)

scoring points Willard can’t make himself without appearing to be going negative.

One imagines she’s aware of this role as she’s filling it so very well.

Mew

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She also changed the subject when Romney was under attack

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:38PM EDT (link)

She certainly does seem to be helping the other candidates while hurting herself.

I wonder if she’s aware of that.

 

Perry probably benefits the most from all the negative attacks

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:52PM EDT (link)

He’s got Bachman, Romney, and Paul going hard core negative on Newt. (though Romney refrains from doing in during the debate) They’ll hurt Newt some and will also almost certainly hurt themselves.

Meanwhile Perry can be mostly positive, draw no fire himself, and be well positioned to claim voters turned off by any of the aforementioned four.

Santorum is also attacking Newt on his history of marital infidelity and calling him not conservative enough. This is perfect for Perry seeing as folks who’d like a consistently conservative and consistently faithful candidate get that in Perry and he also has a ton of executive experience that Santorum lacks.

Also, it stands to reason that the more social conservatives get riled up against Newt the less likely they’ll be to back a long shot like Santorum and the more likely they’ll be to coalesce around Perry as the most acceptable candidate who’s likely to win.

good post, clowngirl and the bottom line is, Perry has the bucks and Santorum doesn't

circlegranch Friday, December 16th at 3:40PM EDT (link)

I have relatives, friends and political ear-to-the-ground contacts in IA and all I’ve heard this week is that Perry is doing great. That retail politickin’ thing he’s got going on is amazing. Neighbors of mine have a ton of relatives in KS, NE and OK and they say they have many family members making the trip to the different small IA towns to see Perry. One woman had taken a Christmas stocking for him to autograph and low and behold, she got the chance to meet him and ask him to sign it and she’s sent around an email now saying he’s just awesome. She says he treated her like he would have his own mother and she was so impressed. He’s doin’ great and I can’t wait to get there and start knocking on doors and telling IA folks that its time for a common sense man to go to the WH. A man that loves his country, a man that has SERVED his country, a man that knows how to balance a budget and get things done.

Sorry, Nikki Haley, Ann Coulter, Chris Christie, et al, my money, my heart, me legwork and my support go to a man that connects with me and my history and my real life experiences. I didn’t grow up like the Romney’s. I grew up like the Perry’s and I couldn’t be more proud to stand with Rick Perry for President!

AGREE!!

promise Saturday, December 17th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

I had a friend email me to find out who I favored in this “field” of canidiates, but he said “remember I’m a democrate. “SOOOOOOOOOOO my reply to him was; I have an “R” behind my name BUT I am a conservative all the way, I got rid of the “D” when Jimmy Carter let our people be held by Iran for over a yr! I was a lib at the time from a democratic state, I don’t handle weasels & cowards well at all, didn’t then and sure h— don’t now that I’m conservative. Anyhow I told him my faverite was Perry, he has a 10yr record we can put under a micro-scope, none of the others have run anything that long!!!!! Texas is a mighty big state, and are in the bull’s eye of the bad mexi illegals (a. contrary to the law; UNLAWFUL). How he has done what he has with & in Texas IS a “Tim Tebow” miracle!! I live just 35 miles north of the Texas border, only the Red River separates us!!! GO TEXAS & GO PERRY!!!

 
 
 
 
 
 

I agree WY_Cowboy

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:36PM EDT (link)

She speaks a lot about her integrity and how people can trust her — but she has been caught several times now being dishonest in debates, in interviews and her attacks on other candidates. That invalidates one of her biggest claims to being qualified.

It’s very disappointing – particularly because she’s the lone female candidate and she had the potential to be a much better candidate.

The thing about Paul and Bachman: Their primary claim to fame is that they are against things. They give voice to many who don’t like what is going on in Washington. The problem is, they’ve pretty much hamstrung themselves in terms of ever getting anything done. They can’t make any compromises or actually acheive anything because they’ve built an image on being seen as purists.

And while I can see how seeing candidates complaining about Congress and such is relatable and resonates, etc. — there’s nothing particularly admirable about complaining. It’s not politically courageous to vote against a spending bill (after being first in line at the trough making sure to get plenty of earmarks for your district) or to speak forcefully against whatever Boehner’s doing when that is ALL YOU DO.

If you’re a Congressman who is trying to get along with House leadership and work with them to accomplish important reforms – then it does take courage to publicly disagree. If you really don’t care about getting anything done and you’re working on polishing a reputation as a firebrand, then speaking out against your leadership would seem to be at best, ineffective and at worse, indulgent and self serving.

I agree with you. Most Republicans – heck, most everyone, is looking for a President with a positive agenda and a record of actual accomplishment.

I think it was Newt who quoted with regard to OWS ” Anybody can knock down a house but it takes a carpenter to build one”

 
 

Huntsman won't pander because "there is no sustainability there"...

elayman Friday, December 16th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

People are only now coming around to the reality that he is a consistent conservative ? Jon has been making that same eloquent and heartfelt plea for months. He IS and has always been the conservative hero in this race.

If people cannot see the obvious falling through and all over themselves to prove themselves “conservative”, we will not have a serious general election. Flip flopping expediency is what brings down campaigns. It represents a large reason the others have all come down. They go up and then they come down, because there’s no staying power, there’s no sustainability in making outrageous promises to get through the next election or a a short term bump in the polls.

"unctuous"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:16AM EDT (link)

…and aloof.

[BTW, also AWOL when it came to enforcing BHO's flawed China-policy.]

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“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Not voting for a friend or comediane

elayman Friday, December 16th at 10:43AM EDT (link)

But a president with a squeaky clean character that puts country before everything – party, ideology, partisan politics, lobbying and just about everything else that is wrong with this race.

I also think he has the strongest thinking of the field going on when he starts connecting dots between values, trade, and relationships. I like his critique of “transactional” relationships versus pursuing deeper shared goals and values.

 

Huntsman is a little heavy on the buzzwords...

elayman Friday, December 16th at 11:52AM EDT (link)

The 30-60 second format and few chances at the podium is very limiting and sometimes it feels he is throwing all the right phrases instead of trying to teach us something. So it can probably come off as patronizing or condescending.

But from that standpoint of a candidate that stands for absolute quality and everything that is (or was!) right in American politics I can understand his frustration being shredded by opponents who represent everything that is essentially wrong with the system.

At the risk of stating the obvious, Huntsman has a great grasp of China, Korea, Japan and international trade/economics.It was also clear that he seemed more comfortable in the more substantive Lincoln Douglas debate and that at least Newt was there to appreciate his expertise.

Jon is running not to make friends or jokes at voters but because he has credible concerns about Obama and his pitiful foreign/domestic policies that will need a lot of repair.

OTOH, it would be wise not to attack the crowd, what ever they may believe but rather to understand them and show them that they can trust you.

 
 

Huntsman is a moderate - perhaps moreso than Romney

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:18PM EDT (link)

Where exactly do you get the ‘Consistant Conservative’ idea from?

Oh, and he doesn’t have the excuse that MA provides Mitt – namely, UT is not a liberal state.

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Huntsman's record in Utah is more conservative than Perrry's record in Texas

thirstyboots Friday, December 16th at 2:58PM EDT (link)

I don’t think it’s even close.

I just find Huntsman very unimpressive as a candidate.

Well I guess somebody has to find him impressive

Paul_Zummo (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:19PM EDT (link)

The odd thing about Huntsman is he’s a conservative pretending to be a moderate, while Romney’s a moderate pretending to be a conservative.

Huntsman isn't pretending to be anything

elayman Friday, December 16th at 4:59PM EDT (link)

Independent voters are attracted more than anything I think to his civil, even keeled way of doing business – a thoughtful, intelligent, no-nonsense, no drama candidate who seems like a genuinely good, squeaky clean person with integrity. Old school conservative yes, but straight up, trustworthy, respectful towards others who disagree with him ,willing to listen to and work with them. and someone who can (hopefully) implement practical policies that will get through Congress.

Issues do matter to some extent, but I think most voters tend to vote on whether they like the guy and whether they get the sense that he will do the right thing in crisis situations. Jon needs to learn to better distill complex information into debate sound bites to avoid sounding jargony or condescending but still manages relatively sophisticated answers. His arguments always seem to center around the economy and I think for the purposes of this election, the economy is the number one question by far.

 
 

Huntsman, conservative? Have you seen this video?

cwilson (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:15PM EDT (link)

From Verum Serum: video

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 

Huntsman is logical and methodical

elayman Friday, December 16th at 6:05PM EDT (link)

Sort of like Steve Jobs of the political realm. lol With the same laser like focused mindset of a master problem solver. I listen to him and hear dead on solutions that our country is in such desperate need of but it is true those types can be fantastic at governing and don’t always come off as the best candidates.

But did you catch his one on one with Gingrich last week ? Anyone who watched that whole debate and still thinks that Jon Huntsman has nothing to offer the Republican Party will not be swayed by anything I could write.

Giving the candidates time to expand on their thoughts at least gives us a glimpse as to how their thought processes work, and how they might arrive at solutions to complex problems, which we have no shortage of.

I had way more of a sense of what Huntsman was about after that debate, much more so from his other appearances and even his campaign website.

I understand people not liking him for his style; a visceral reason for not voting for someone is a valid one. If something in your gut tells you ‘something isn’t right, here’ then it’s usually a good idea to follow that instinct.

I understand people not liking him for specific policy ‘deal-breaker’ issues. Every voter has them. If Huntsman is un-supportable because he worked for President Obama (albeit in an apolitical ambassadorial role) then, again, that is perfectly understandable.

But with THAT conservative record, with THAT enormously successful executive background as a governor, with THAT skill set and knowledge, with THAT superb economic plan, I can’t help but genuinely feel that we are missing a huge opportunity here.

There are certain candidates that the president would not like to face in November. There are certain candidates which would be extremely tough for him to beat with his record and in this economic climate. Jon Huntsman is one of those.

In my opinion (and I’m not *completely* alone in thinking this) we are passing up the best chance we have to remove Obama.

 

Based on what that Perry did?

Dave_A (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 1:58AM EDT (link)

I don’t really see a problem with Perry’s record, at all…

I do see a problem with Huntsman’s views on foreign policy and global warming.

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 
 

Romney is a pansy and will lose to Obama

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

Romney has been bashing Gingrich in interviews, ads, through surrogates. But then Romney couldn’t engage Gingrich face to face on stage?

At least Bachmann and Paul did.

Romney is a weak loser that will get pounded by Obama. Romney has a glass jaw which he has shown when he gets confronted.

what a pansy.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

But why?

concrusade Friday, December 16th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

Newt didn’t attack Romney. Romney didn’t attack Newt. I don’t see the problem there.

This was the last debate before the Iowa Caucus — the candidates closing argument before a national audience. I thought most of them did a good job refocusing on Obama.

You won’t find many conservatives pundits that will criticize Mitt’s performance last night. I guess I don’t understand how his performance proved he is a “pansy” and “weak loser.”

 

Yep, I agree CC...Mitt is a pansy.

romansdaughter Saturday, December 17th at 7:33AM EDT (link)

The whole way through these debates, he has let others attack and he just stands above the fray. He will get pounded by Obama, as he doesn’t do good when challenged at all.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 

My full observations

sethellis Friday, December 16th at 10:15AM EDT (link)

I hold to what I said about Perry last night. He did great, but failed to break out. He does have a little momentum, but not enough to overcome his negatives before Iowa.

Santorum has given up. The anger caused by him trying so hard was gone, and he was much more likable as a result. If he had done this months ago he might actually be in contention.

Bachmann still fails to pass basic competency. Most point to the “I’m a serious candidate” comment, but I thought her response on judges was far more telling. Gingrich’s idea is nuts, and violates separation of powers. Bachmann looked like a deer in the headlight when asked about it. She had no clue what to say, and gave a bumbling agreement to the idea. Thank goodness we had Paul, Santorum, and Romney to set things aright.

Paul imploded the instant he was taken seriously. He has been rising in some polls. I expect those numbers to peak and return back to his core numbers.

Huntsman debates like he is in Jr. High. He gives retarded intros to all his question that serve no purpose. When he gets to the actual answer nobody cares what he says anymore. Huntsman just has bad advisors. They picked poor strategies, and failed to prep their candidate well for debates.

I liked Romney’s performance, but I’m a big supporter. Hence I doubt you care what I have to say on that. Wallace gave Romney a taste of what is in store for him on Sunday. Romney did well, and I think he showed that he doesn’t have a glass jaw. I he passes the interview I can’t imagine a better strategic position for Romney going into the holidays.

And then there’s Newt I don’t have much to say that hasn’t already been pointed out. His support of GSE’s was troubling, and will do big damaging. I expect he will continue to fall.

Ok that was way to much to type out on a smartphone…

you did well...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:27AM EDT (link)

…and entered it twice.

My only quibbles–based on my extensive analysis, supra, are related to Perry, Mitt and The Newt.

Perry “did great, but failed to break out. He does have a little momentum, but not enough to overcome his negatives before Iowa.” All he need do is get the Evangelical endorsement [noting anticipate antipathy towards The Newt and Mitt for obvious reasons and need to consolidate Bachmann/Santorum] and he can rocket through Iowa [perhaps assisted by Guzzardi and myself, on-site].

Mitt “showed that he doesn’t have a glass jaw.” We already know that he sports one, but this wasn’t the moment to KO him again. Let’s see how well he does on FNC when he tries to defend the Individual Mandate….

The Newt’s “support of GSE’s was troubling, and will do big damage.” Also, the interweaving concepts [lobbying and the Individual Mandate] yield the “insider” image, negatively.

In an earlier post, I emphasized the fact that Perry hasn’t flip-flopped, a characteristic that has classically been honored; why not allow him to benefit from this achievement?

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r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

My full observations

sethellis Friday, December 16th at 10:15AM EDT (link)

I hold to what I said about Perry last night. He did great, but failed to break out. He does have a little momentum, but not enough to overcome his negatives before Iowa.

Santorum has given up. The anger caused by him trying so hard was gone, and he was much more likable as a result. If he had done this months ago he might actually be in contention.

Bachmann still fails to pass basic competency. Most point to the “I’m a serious candidate” comment, but I thought her response on judges was far more telling. Gingrich’s idea is nuts, and violates separation of powers. Bachmann looked like a deer in the headlight when asked about it. She had no clue what to say, and gave a bumbling agreement to the idea. Thank goodness we had Paul, Santorum, and Romney to set things aright.

Paul imploded the instant he was taken seriously. He has been rising in some polls. I expect those numbers to peak and return back to his core numbers.

Huntsman debates like he is in Jr. High. He gives retarded intros to all his question that serve no purpose. When he gets to the actual answer nobody cares what he says anymore. Huntsman just has bad advisors. They picked poor strategies, and failed to prep their candidate well for debates.

I liked Romney’s performance, but I’m a big supporter. Hence I doubt you care what I have to say on that. Wallace gave Romney a taste of what is in store for him on Sunday. Romney did well, and I think he showed that he doesn’t have a glass jaw. I he passes the interview I can’t imagine a better strategic position for Romney going into the holidays.

And then there’s Newt I don’t have much to say that hasn’t already been pointed out. His support of GSE’s was troubling, and will do big damaging. I expect he will continue to fall.

Ok that was way to much to type out on a smartphone…

 

Breaking- The SEC is now suing the former CEO's of Fannie and Freddie

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:18AM EDT (link)

for misleading the government on their backing of risky loans. The story is just developing.

Uh, not a good thing for Newt, especially when he said last night that he supported home loans for low income people, or all Americans.

That's a disaster for Newt....

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:31AM EDT (link)

…maybe Newt can earn his salary as a ‘historian’ and appear as an expert witness on their behalf.

Newt should be sued as well

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:34AM EDT (link)

to recover those funds he took….
Or at least sell his wife’s $500,000 worth of jewelry.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

With the SEC targeting the Miami Marlins and now Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:59AM EDT (link)

(especially if we can find a reference to the latter), it looks as if someone at the SEC wants to eat a lot of liver from corrupt crony capitalists. That’s a busy and ambitious set of scalps they’re looking for there.

 
 
 

Scope do you have a link to this?

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:35AM EDT (link)

N/T

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

izoneguy the SEC story

1bunny Friday, December 16th at 11:23AM EDT (link)

when I did a google search shows up here: From the Wires http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/sec_charges_ex_fannie_freddie_ceos_with_fraud_2/

 

izone- I've been hearing it reported on Fox

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:41AM EDT (link)

From what I’m hearing, the SEC is suing 6 former executives from Fannie and Freddie, 3 from each GSE. They mentioned Dan Mud, and Dick Siren, don’t know if I spelled those names correctly. They are being sued for fraud when they misled investors on the number of sub-prime mortgages they were holding. I’m sure a whole lot more will come out on this in the coming days. I’m quite sure that many will want to see someone pay for the housing collapse, and we have already heard of the shenanigans that went on with Franklin Reines in cooking the books for larger bonuses. I don’t know if Reines will get smacked or not.

 

izoneguy, SEC Link re: Fannie/Freddie...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:39PM EDT (link)

SEC CHARGES FORMER FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC EXECUTIVES WITH SECURITIES FRAUD

Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2011 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged six former top executives of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) with securities fraud, alleging they knew and approved of misleading statements claiming the companies had minimal holdings of higher-risk mortgage loans, including subprime loans.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac each entered into a Non-Prosecution Agreement with the Commission in which each company agreed to accept responsibility for its conduct and not dispute, contest, or contradict the contents of an agreed-upon Statement of Facts without admitting nor denying liability. Each also agreed to cooperate with the Commission’s litigation against the former executives. In entering into these Agreements, the Commission considered the unique circumstances presented by the companies’ current status, including the financial support provided to the companies by the U.S. Treasury, the role of the Federal Housing Finance Agency as conservator of each company, and the costs that may be imposed on U.S. taxpayers.

Three former Fannie Mae executives – former Chief Executive Officer Daniel H. Mudd, former Chief Risk Officer Enrico Dallavecchia, and former Executive Vice President of Fannie Mae’s Single Family Mortgage business, Thomas A. Lund – were named in the SEC’s complaint filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

The SEC also charged three former Freddie Mac executives — former Chairman of the Board and CEO Richard F. Syron, former Executive Vice President and Chief Business Officer Patricia L. Cook, and former Executive Vice President for the Single Family Guarantee business Donald J. Bisenius — in a separate complaint filed in the same court.

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 

Scope, Thomas Sowell vs. Newt Gingrich

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 10:56AM EDT (link)

One of the best books I have read on the housing boom and bust was Thomas Sowell’s book of the same name, Housing Boom and Bust. In the book, Sowell explains the two things that caused a false rise in housing values in some areas of the nation (unnecessary housing regulations) and the bust of the mortgage industry.

The bust can be traced to the Community Reinvestment Act that was signed by Carter and pretty well ignored until Clinton took office. Our legislature ignored the fact that some people are not responsible enough to be home owners, yet they forced mortgage lenders to bend standard lending laws putting people into homes that they could never have any hope of being able to afford.

Low income people have no more right to home ownership than do high income earners if that right is not earned. Yes, Jefferson first wrote “life, liberty and property” but never did any of the Founders say that you have a right to own property that is financed by other taxpayers. It is a goal that should be met by your own endeavors, not because someone decided that having people of weak means or bad credit due to their own actions, should be able to purchase property. The whole “affordable” housing issue was created to generate votes for Democrats. And the meaning of “affordable” housing has been turned on its head; the homes being forclosed on were not affordable if people cannot afford to keep them, even with record low interest rates.

Do you have a right to own property? Yes, but the government should not be in the business of making that process so easy. The easier something is to acheive, the easier it is to fail. Newt is wrong on his attitude about the GSEs.

retire05

retire- I have to question

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:32PM EDT (link)

Newt’s involvement in the Clinton push for low-income home loans. He was the Whip I believe, and then the Speaker during that time period. There were already warnings of the disaster that could befall the housing market, but Clinton just pushed forward, and further relaxed the regulations. Where was Newt on that initiative? From his comments last night, where he said that he has always been for home-ownership for “all Americans, I have to believe that he was right there with Clinton on the issue.

Here is an article which picks up some of Gingrich’s comments from an archived speech Gingrich gave to Freddie Mac, in 2007, just months before the housing crash. From that article-

“There is not much support for the idea of removing the GSE’s charters from Fannie and Freddie, and it’s clear why. The housing GSE’s have made an important contribution to home-ownership and the housing finance system. We have a much more liquid and stable housing finance system than we would have had without the GSE’s.”

When I think of Gingrich saying, in a debate I think, that Barney Frank should go to jail for his role in the housing crash, he apparently thinks that no one has or will look into his involvement with Freddie Mac, that I believe is much deeper than he is admitting to.

Scope, research the history of the GSEs.

retire05 Friday, December 16th at 12:52PM EDT (link)

I believe that LBJ had a great deal to do with them. But every (sane) economist admits that it was the over-regulations on the mortgage industry that cause them to come up with “creative” financing like NINJA loans, no money down loans, and the reduction in standard lending practices that cause the fall of the GSEs.

Not everyone is hardwired to be a homeowner. When you rent, and your toilet overflows, you call the landlord. When you own, and your toilet overflows, you call a plumber at $40/hr.

Realtors took advantage of easy money and cause housing values to increase simply because the demand exceeded the supply. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame realtors as they are paid to sell homes. But the government made it so easy to buy a home and irresponsible people failed to read their mortgage contracts, nor did they factor in the increase in taxes and insurance they would have to pay when their property values increased.

Example: my daughter bought a home for $114,000.00 She went into it with NO money down, even rolling the closing costs into the note. She got an “introductory” interest rate that was good for 24 months and had a monthly payment of $1,100.00 By the end of 3 years, her interest rate had gone up substantially and her house had increased 30% in value making her tax and insurance excrow account increase by 30%. When she lost her house, her payments were well over $1,500/month.

I tried to talk her out of buying a home with no money down. People who put up the standard 20% down are less likely, in the event of a set back like ill health or job loss, to lose their homes. But she would not listen and wanted to compete with the Jones’. She paid the price with a rotten credit score that will take her 15 years to change.

The whole “affordable” housing issue was a scam designed to creat (tah-dah) votes. Cris Dodd even went into certain neighborhoods in his district to tell low income people how they could buy a home with no money down. Wonder what those people think of Chris Dodd now? Housing didn’t become more affordable, it just became easier to finance housing that was probably unaffordable when it was purchased.

Newt may believe in home ownership for all. But there are those who are just too irresponsible to own a home. I wonder if Newt thinks they should be able to buy a home anyway, knowing that there is a 70% chance they will lose that home within five years. And yes, Newt had the opportunity to put the breaks on the Clinton administration’s attempt to social engineer via housing. But he didn’t, did he?

retire05

 
 
 
 

I Just Hope....

Batman Friday, December 16th at 11:07AM EDT (link)

that by the time the vote gets to me in California, I have an actual choice, and I can help put my nominee over the top. The last few times the primary got to us in CA, it was all over but the kicking and the screaming, and I truly believe that’s why Obama got elected.

Let’s not play the me too game, and vote for who you like. Not who people in other states tell you to like.

who is your favorite?

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:15AM EDT (link)

n/t

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The problem in 08

Dave_A (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:27PM EDT (link)

was a truly ROTTEN field.

The ONLY good conservative candidate was Fred Thompson – but he didn’t have the campaign skills to win the primaries….

That left us with ’2nd best’, aka John ‘Vanilla’ McCain….

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

Fred

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:46PM EDT (link)

I think we saw Fred get what they’ve been trying to do to Perry this cycle. Fred was THE conservative in the race, and lo and behold, he gets tagged early on with the label that he was a lazy campaigner, that his heart really wasn’t in it, etc. None of it was true, but once it got out there, the media ran with it, and really damaged him. Remember FOX’s Carl Cameron reporting that Fred was working the Iowa State fair in Gucci loafers? Wasn’t true, but it reinforced the dominant narrative that Fred wasn’t serious.

But at the end, you are right, we got stuck with McCain.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

It wasn't the media that knocked Perry out of the #1 spot this cycle....

Dave_A (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 1:53AM EDT (link)

It was folks who were so obsessed with building the ‘Great Wall of America’ as a supposed solution to illegal immigration….

Probably the most irrelevant of issues for the situation we’re in now, and thanks to both the left and right gathering around unworkable positions (Amnesty Now! on the left, ‘Fortify the border, ignore the interior’ on the right), one that will stay ‘status quo’ (the same status quo we’ve had as long as there’s been a MX border) for the foreseeable future…

It was on this immigration garbage and the ‘what Agency’ flub that the entire ‘Perry can’t debate’ line was built…

That Gingrich is even more lax on immigration seems to have flown right by this same group, as it seems they’re supporting HIM now…

If nothing changes – if Perry can’t make a comeback – then Gingrich is our ‘McCain’ for this cycle…

Economic illiteracy does not serve our cause – seeing inflation where there is none, claiming ‘the deficit’ is raising the price of oil, or adhering to conspiracy theories such as the notion that the Fed’s purpose is to enable government spending….

The truth is just as damning to the Democrats – namely that their policies are the reason that the very ‘speculators’ (futures traders) they demonize are bidding higher prices for oil.

 
 
 
 

Newt and Bachman

conservativeparrothead Friday, December 16th at 11:11AM EDT (link)

I felt in some ways, he was in a no-win situation, the reality is that she either doesnt listen or doesnt care. It was the same thing in the immigration debate, he says “we are going to do this” then you say “He is giving 11 million amnesty”. Hmmm? I didnt hear him say that.

In this case, you think the fact that a consultant got money, is a FACT that he lobbied? Again hmmm…

Maybe you should drop another Newt Romney or One Term President or Core of Convictions…the reality is that she is a joke. She represents a district that had 99% chance of going Republican according to pre-election data, and in three elections, she has never topped 52% in this district. She just says what she wants to say.

If you want a FACT that Newt Gingrich lobbied, then you need to have people or facts which support the fact that he went to congress to lobby on behalf of FM, if you dont have that proof, this simple fact that he was paid by them to consult is not a fact that proves lobbying.

Talking about that for 5 minutes did not help Newt, but at the end of the day I really dont think it hurt him, I thought he was strong pretty much the rest of the night.

I thought Romney was particularly strong, I thought his answering about Bain, with the GM analogy was very good and I do not like Mitt Romney, but that was a great response that will serve him well in the General should he get there, which its looking more and more like he will.

a key-criterion...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:25AM EDT (link)

…is whether anyone slipped; as opposed to events that embarrassed both Mitt and The Newt, none were problematic for Perry.

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I finally watched a debate last night.

NightTwister (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:13AM EDT (link)

Unfortunately it didn’t help me at all. I don’t see things any differently than I did before the debate.

What was confirmed for me is that people see in these things what they want to see. So many of the comments on this thread are either misleading or outright lies. Supporters all thought their candidate won and their least favorites lost.

I thought they all did well except for Ron Paul. He really brought “Teh Crazy”.

It looks like I’ll be undecided for awhile longer.

“Baseball fits America well because it expresses our longing for the rule of law while licensing our resentment of law givers.” ― Major League Commissioner of Baseball A. Bartlett Giamatti

i anticipated your posture...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:24AM EDT (link)

…and that’s why i compiled a lot of data [from overnight] in a numbered/disinterested format.

Thus, please recognize there is no “bias” inherent in that approach.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 
 

I think the debate went to Romney because he

kcdude (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:03PM EDT (link)

never was asked any type of question that really challenged his lack of core. The Wallace attempt to ask him about social issues and gun control failed because Wallace asked about all three in one question. He allowed Romney to skirt the basics of being pro life and gave him a pass on being left of Kennedy. Bachmann also failed miserably by attempting to go after Gingrich on life when he has been solid. Why not go after Romney?

Fannie and Freddie will be the undoing of Gingrich if is going to happen. Bachmann did well in calling him on it. GC wrote a diary a while back that pretty much covered the issue. Gingrich was not lobbying. He was being paid and therefore being prevented from speaking out against FanFred.

Perry, who I still lean toward, was spot on for the night but he was marginalized by the Fox talking heads. He still needs to work on his presentation. He has yet not won back what he lost in earlier debates. I say this because my wife still says he gives off the impression that he does not belong on the stage. It is a real shame because I think he has some great ideas.

The judiciary dust up will not be a negative for Gingrich. Perry and Bachmann basically supported his stance. I would enjoy hearing/seeing a judge explain why “under God” is unconstitutional. Perry’s position on moving the judiciary from lifetime appointments has merit.

Paul has gone from being a crazy uncle to crazier than a runover dog. Scary.

Huntsman has not made any attempt to show he should be considered for my vote. When I hear the apology for his cap and trade position and evolution stance – maybe. But I just do not think it is in him to humble himself.

Santorum is best when he is talking about the dangers represented by Iran. As EE normally states – He will not be the nominee.

"under God" is challenged...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:30PM EDT (link)

…because it allegedly violates the Establishment Clause without being justified by invoking the Exercise Clause [First Amendment, Bill of Rights].

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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

I'll wait for the explanation from the judge - along

kcdude (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:33PM EDT (link)

with some of the other looney rulings that pass for judicial decisions. It would be interesting to me to see/hear some of these legal minds squirming while being held accountable in a public hearing explaining wrongheaded beliefs.

kcdude- The judiciary branch

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

is co-equal with the Presidency and the Congress. Can the judiciary call the Congress into court to explain the laws they passed all on their own without someone bringing a lawsuit arguing against a law, such as Obamacare? Can the judiciary call the president into their chambers or courtrooms to answer for a position he has pushed the Congress to pass, or EO’s that have been signed all on their own because they disagree with that position? No. What Gingrich is proposing is that he will haul, by subpoena, their arses into Washington to answer for their rulings. He doesn’t have the power to question decisions by the judiciary, no matter how egregious some of those decisions may be. Gingrich is in essence trying to elevate the presidential and congressional powers over that of judges, and courts. He has proposed doing away with some appellate courts in full. Sure, it sounds great to an electorate that finds some decisions appalling, and with that he gets major applause, because it is a populist position, but, Gingrich has no more power to change the judicial branch, than requiring that the sky change color every day of the week. It all just sounds good, but it is actually not constitutional. Not surprising as Newt has said that the Constitution is outdated, and needs to be changed to reflect modern times. It is also so much pandering from a guy that once said the era of Reagan was dead, but now invokes his name in most every one of his latest speeches.

555

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:18PM EDT (link)

I keep imagining a Dem controlled congress or Obama having this power. This is one of those ideas where the cure is far worse then the problem.

 

if I may...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 1:29AM EDT (link)

…the subpoena-issue can be placed into proper context.

Let’s assume the framers wanted the branches to check-up on each other, generating the type of creative-conflict that produces an ideal balance,

A subpoena would only be justified if an action could be predicated on the results thereof.

Thus, the frustration over the stated-rationale could be transformed into a retention-decision a la Perry’s constitutional amendment favoring term-limits.

Remember, the reticence of potential judges to comment on specific cases is predicated on the potential for that issue again to arise.

But that escape-clause can be traversed when probing judicial philosophy can yield a quotable-quote regarding core attitudes related to “activism.”

And it certainly can be assessed within the context of both components of the rationale for any type of appeal: “abuse of discretion and/or error in law.”

Thus, no one should fear the opportunity to explain his/her views; indeed, it should be perceived as an opportunity to educate…as long as there is no “ambush” component to the procedure.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Dr. S- If I understand

Scope (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 9:48AM EDT (link)

what you are saying correctly, you agree that judges should have to explain why they made a particular decision. I’m not versed in all judicial procedures, but from my limited knowledge, don’t judges have to write an opinion explaining why they came to that particular decision. I’m thinking about the decisions reached in the Obamacare lawsuits, by various courts. Haven’t they explained why they decided as they did? Some have ruled that the individual mandate is unconstitutional because the government can’t force people to purchase anything, such as the government can’t force you to purchase broccoli. If we go down that path, the government will in fact be allowed to force you to purchase whatever they want. Some have decided that the government can force you to purchase items because of the commerce clause. I don’t believe that those judges have simply said yes you must, or no you don’t have to. Judges already must explain why they made the decision they have. If a decision is made in a lower court, and it isn’t acceptable to the one bringing the suit, then the option exists to go to the next higher court on appeal. Aren’t there already checks and balances with the requirement for explaining the reason for a decision, and the option to take the case to a higher court for a further review and ruling from additional judges?

In the context of Gingrich’s reason for wanting to bring judges into Congress to further explain their decisions, after they already had explained their decisions when they ruled, what is his purpose and intent for doing that? He had cited a case in a Texas court, where it was ruled that “under God” was not allowed, and that children couldn’t pray in school and etc. He didn’t agree with that ruling, and said that he would eliminate that entire court. Many didn’t agree with that ruling, but some obviously did. There are always people on both sides of the issue. Yet Gingrich decided that the side he is on was not correct, so let’s abandon the court. Rather than being the populist that he is, and saying what he has to try to incite the electorate against what many refer to as “run-away judges” , his solution is to eliminate the court, or haul them into Congress to brow beat them for deciding against his ideas/opinions. Saying what he has, he is trying to tap into the emotions of people, as his first speech against the Texas ruling was given to a group of evangelicals in Iowa. In the debate, again in Iowa, he got much applause for again saying he would haul the judges into Congress because he, and obviously the evangelicals, don’t agree with the decision. I am unaware that he made those same judicial pitches in any other state that may not have as many evangelicals as Iowa is reputed to have. I believe every time he has talked about “judicial activism” it has been in the context of religious issues. Has he said that he would haul the judges into Congress to explain why they ruled that Obamacare is constitutional? His “solution” to reign in judicial activism is to grab more power for the presidency and the Congress, and to try to weaken what is a co-equal branch of our government, as has been designed by our founders. It is yet another indication that Gingrich is all about big federal government solutions, as his idea would affect every judge in every state. This is one of Gingrich’s bad ideas, that he is often known to have.

I really wish that people would not only listen to his voluminous amount of words, but would think about what he is saying, and realize that Gingrich is pandering to a particular block of voters, the religious, because he is having a hard time convincing them of his ethics and morals.

 
 
 
 
 

Huntsman is opposed to cap and trade

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:31PM EDT (link)

Is that good enough for you? And evolution, seriously? Why does anyone care what the president thinks about that?

He was not opposed to cap and trade in mid-2007 and

kcdude (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

held an AGW view as well. Also, I think it is quite foolish to tout the theory of evolution on the debate stage as he did. He went far out of his way to do it. If he had given some thought to his remarks, tempered them and left out the snark, It might have come off differently. As it it, he has not vocalized support for a valid alternative point of view – belief system – in this case Intelligent Design. So yes, I ‘seriously’ do care.

He's walked back his GW views

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

Gingrich and Romney have flipped on much more than this.

And yes, it was stupid of him to mention evolution. If he does it again I’ll be surprised. But you still haven’t told me why it matters, other than it was snarky. I guess people’s feelings were hurt, but so what? I’d let the eventual GOP nominee punch me in the face if it means a better chance of getting a pro-life president who can take on entitlements. Evolution is not an issue that matters one iota at the federal level.

He has not walked back on AGW (as far as I

kcdude (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:04PM EDT (link)

know) just cap and trade – due to our current dire economic situation. I did specifically state my position that bringing up evolution in the forum he brought it up speaks specifically to his core and what he believes ( and I do not refer to his faith when I write this), Core and the manner in which an individual relates to others, here specifically the electorate, matters a great deal at every level – esp. someone who aspires to lead this country. His comment and his method both gave me cause for concern. It leads me to question his judgement. Feelings do not enter into what I think about Huntsman. I recognize condescension when I see it practiced in life and specifically on a national stage. It is off putting and uncalled for.

Blogger briefing from earlier this year

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2pGQqJvaHY&feature=related

15 minute mark – states he’s “not sure” about AGW. Works for me.

Did a google search and it appears he is all

kcdude (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:36PM EDT (link)

over the map on AGW especially in 2011. That is a fail for me.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Perry wins Business Insider Scorecard for last night's debate

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 12:50PM EDT (link)

He gets the top “A” grade. Jon Huntsman gets the worst, “D,” and no surprise. He loses me with his platitudes.

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Awesome, thanks for the link....

nathanalbright (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:28PM EDT (link)

….and they had a really good story about his comeback efforts as well.

 
 

Bachmann is out of her league and it shows.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 1:14PM EDT (link)

She must have uttered more folksy platitudes than any candidate in history. She offers nothing of substance in the debate only personal attacks disguised as some type of personal Constitutional purity test. That tact continues to hurt her credibility and makes her look beneath the job. We already have one amateur President, we don’t need another.

I actually thought Santorum looked great (much better than Bachmann or Perry) and he gets an enormous amount of respect from other folks on the podium. Rick deserves a second look.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

she is receiving great press on all 3 cable-news networks...

rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:31PM EDT (link)

…focused on her effectiveness and amplified by her radio-interviews.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

Mind-boggling.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

What for her attempt at sustained attacks on Gingrich? That will get you MSM attention. Not respect IMHO.

Well, at least I know she stands against Gingrich. Oh yeah and Perry. And probably Romney- I can’t even remember at this point. Not much else.

But she does stand for the ConstitOOtion. Whatever that means.

I’ve read her positions and policies. What little there is of them. They read like grade school essays on civics. Bachmann’s shrill, superficial delivery and platitudinous articulation doesn’t help either.

Folks talk about Perry? At least the man has actually accomplished something and is deep on the issues. Granted he’s had a hard time expressing himself. But he has at least earned himself a seat at the big peoples table.

Bachmann will lose and be a stick in the eye of our candidate (hopefully President). Guaranteed.

Ron Paul’s groupies finally have a place to go when he retires.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

you are too harsh...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 1:31AM EDT (link)

…because she is properly playing the role of internal-critic.

And, regarding the limits thereof, note her post-Gardisil fate.

Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net

[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

It's about substance, sir.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 7:38AM EDT (link)

Of which Bachmann presents very little.

I think constructive, concerned criticism backed by discernible, plausible facts is healthy. That prepares us for the debate ahead and helps refine our positions,

But throwing out talking points and politically motivated mantras is a shallow practice. It not only displays the speakers lack of depth, but also their lack of real solutions and plans. It reeks of political opportunism deployed as a means of fallaciously trying to hurt your opponents credibility with half-truths and questionable statements.

We all get that getting spending under control, reigning in the federal government and restoring constitutional balance are major themes for our party. The issue is how a candidate will solve those issues. Bachmann has shown she has no plausible, sustainable idea. Just a bunch of feel-good sayings and attacks on other candidates to try and cover her lack of accomplishments.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 
 
 

My Take + Media Bias

carolynr Friday, December 16th at 1:51PM EDT (link)

I’m always a little late to this table because Hubby and I read Drudge and Politico before I get on this board and the blogs…and today…I will be on them.

Santorum – Rick needs to go back to school and read up on the Industrial Revolution and where the USA should be today and what it should offer. I might suggest technology…however, do we have people coming out of college smart enough to emerge in that area. Manufacturing…OK…but realize that with his idea of 0 taxes, we, the taxpayer are subsidizing the unions to compete with $2 a day wages.
He did do me one GREAT BIG FAVOR…He caught WILLARD in a lie concerning gay rights wherein he put the decision to allow gay marriage entirely onto the government…because the legislature backed out of it.

Perry was really good…BUT HE DID NOT GET ENOUGH QUESTIONS. This was obviously contrived by Fox, who IMO, does not like Perry and has become or has always been part of the “insider crowd” of DC and especially the Republican Party (Fox). That is one thing DC or old guard Republicans do not want is Perry in DC…and yet this is exactly what 60% of the country does want…Washington out of their hair and their fear that DC is growing to big.

Romney presented well…very cautious and that is a telling characteristic of Romney. He will be, if elected, as bad as Obama as far as making decisions. He is not a Conservative and never has been. I would imagine he would side with Democrats more than Republicans. His answers on abortion and gay rights did not ring true and I believe that Santorum nailed his behind on the gay rights issue. See..it is not about gay rights…IT’S ABOUT HIS NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
Please see my blog on Nikki Haley and Romney. I will repeat some of it here because it is very telling. Romney, who used a comparison of GM and Bain Capital…shot himself in the foot…BIG TIME. Why…because Obama rewrote contract law and put the union workers ahead of private enterprise. Romney was oh so cautious not to mention that…why…because he might lose union votes and the SEIU would be down his throat. Another point is that GM is owned by we the people, wherein Bain Capital was nothing more than a foreclosure business, where he had winners and losers. GM is a loser..but only because it was shoved down our throats. I did not like his answer concerning conservative judges either and he laid that off on his adopted state…MA.

Newt – He had a horrible night…thanks to Bachmann and Paul. They caught him in some of his spin. He also started to get into the weeds with a history lesson. I predict he will fall like a rock.
Perry…You need to be specific about your solutions to your ideas…this is your moment.

Paul – Foreign Affairs – you are going nowhere. You did not do well.

Bachmann – Well…you all know I DO NOT LIKE THIS WOMAN. However…please consider this. What did she do last night? America is looking for solutions…answers to problems, situations. All she accomplished was routing out Gingrich and Paul. She had no forward looking ideas…nothing of substance. She was an attack dog…and if Romney is nominated…she will kiss up to him for the VP slot…as she has been during the debates…Folks…this is an inside job…if you have not figured that out yet. It’s not about Michelle…she lacks the experience to be POTUS…it’s about WILLARD bringing in the TPM and he can’t do it without Michelle. Her aim – notoriety.

Huntsman – He really had some good ideas and he did illustrate some of them well. His understanding of world affairs is good and he does have a stellar record in Utah being re-elected at 80% approval. His inability to go after Romney or Gingrich has been his downfall…because he does have the “smarts”. So…he’s out after NH.

So…onward to the blogs…especially to trash Fox…which btw I did with Wayin last night. For your info…the three candidates WE WERE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE FROM…Romney, Gingrich and Paul. The other category was none of the above…but did not ask who the other candidate was…AND YOU THINK THAT FOX DOES NOT HAVE AN AGENDA…I think not.

My hope is that the people of Iowa do not vote in Bachmann ahead of Perry because of her attack mode…because that is all it was. No ideas…just a shill for Romney. That will go in the Iowa papers today.

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rsklaroff (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:39PM EDT (link)

[for both content and emotion]

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“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

 

FOX has turned from reporting the news on the campaign.....

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 5:03PM EDT (link)

to actively trying to shape it.

I hardly doubt that the present day crew on FOX would have supported the “wearing the plaid shirt” that I read mentioned in someone’s post.

Which is sad. But, it’s all about ratings which they are furiously trying to save.
Which is the reason Murdoch even started FOX in the first place……..to fill a niche from the otherwise liberal outlets and he saw a chance to make $$. Now, FOX thinks they will make $$ being less conservative.

Let us prove them wrong.

At any rate, they’ve lost me as a viewer and supporter………not a cow in the meadow munching my grass in the meadow while being herded by my handlers.

The internet works just fine. Don’t need a national network if this is they (all of them) want to work. NYT went down, so can FOX, imho.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

don't be...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 1:34AM EDT (link)

…too harsh; if nothing else, stick with O’Reilly.

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Romney and Gingrich chilling out?

snowshooze (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:05PM EDT (link)

It seemed to me that they didn’t snipe each other too bad this time.
Two thoughts occured to me:
1. They are trying to preserve position for themselves by keeping well ahead thusly maintaining an aproximate 50/50 shot for the time being…
2. They might consolidate for a certain victory.

I can’t imagine them teaming. Is that crazy?

 

I thought Perry did well last night

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 2:29PM EDT (link)

I didn’t get to watch the debate live, because I had to work, but I did watch it online after the fact. I thought he did well, but I’m still in “wait-and-see” mode.

Have you ever gone through an experience where something about a situation bugs the dickens out of you, but you have difficulty defining exactly what it is that is bugging you and why? Much less to put it into words for other people? You can see bits and pieces of it, but it doesn’t really solidify in your own mind? Then when it does solidify, you can’t help but laugh at yourself because it was really a lot simpler than you thought? Yeah, I’ve definitely been going through my share of that last point in particular this morning.

Perry’s approach on some things has bothered me because of things I’ve learned from own life about leadership and being a leader. What I’ve learned in my own life is if you’re going to take on that role, you have to make a solid commitment and you can’t hold back. One “Aw, [redacted]” moment can wipe out what good you’ve accomplished so far, and you have to go back and earn and gain people’s confidence all over again sometimes, which often means pusher yourself even harder on things. Those have been my experiences.

I do believe there is a genuine desire for strong, positive leadership across our society. I also believe it’s possible that Perry has that kind of potential.
He did do well, and we’ll have to what extent he resonates with voters at this point.

Perry retires

thirstyboots Friday, December 16th at 2:54PM EDT (link)

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perry-retires-boost-pension-pay/

He’s already done, but with stuff like this popping out – not that he did anything illegal or immoral, but it’s still bad press – I think he retires from the race right after Iowa.

I would love to see Mittens "retirement" portfolio

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

I wonder how much Mitt gives to LDS?

Mitt is worth about $250 Million. After this election effort
he might have nothing. Maybe Rick will loan him a few
bucks from his whopping retirement fund…..

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

How is that relevant?

thirstyboots Friday, December 16th at 3:18PM EDT (link)

Why do you wonder how much Romney contributions to his churches are? And who cares how much is he worth? Resentment and jealousy much?

 
 

In all fairness, thirstyboots

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

The source of your information leans liberal, so I am likely to take that into context.

However, IF this information is true…I do think the people in this nation are weary of the perks that politicians get when so many people in this country are suffering economically, so it may not sit well with voters. We’ll see.

Slippery slope on this one, though, because this type of behavior has become well-accepted in the realm of politics, and all of them have some element of it in their history.

Do you dispute the info?

thirstyboots Friday, December 16th at 3:22PM EDT (link)

It seems that Perry’s camp confirms it, so I don’t see how the leanings of the source are relevant.

Fairly or unfairly, this kind of stuff hurts politicians like Perry, who talk a big talk about politicians perks and government pensions, quite a bit. Just bad optics.

Bad optics, yes

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

And I think the source matters. I don’t just believe what I’m told to believe by any left-leaning news organization. I always question it, because of their biases. LOL, I even question information presented on the right sometimes when there’s obvious of bias involved because it can distort the facts and misrepresent what is actually true.

Yes, this kind of stuff hurts politicians who makes claims of supporting systemic change. But they’ve become acclimated to these behaviors, thirstyboots. It’s just become so much a part of the status quo of what’s considered “acceptable” in the politics that most of them participate in it in one way or another.

Just because it’s “acceptable” doesn’t make it right. I agree with that. I just think if we’re going to draw attention to it, then the focus should be on behaviors, not personal attacks, with the reason being that all of them have shades of guilt on this one, and going overboard in personal attacks guts our own.

Texas Tribune

texashistorian (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:52PM EDT (link)

has been after Perry for years… they were the group that tried to run with the “Perry is secret homosexual” story once upon a time.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 
 
 

Boy that article leaves a bad taste in the mouth

znjs (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:15PM EDT (link)

Really surprised he did that, especially with the type of presidential campaign he’s running about cutting benefits to people working in govt. Certainly he’s allowed and has earned the right to take that extra money, but it’s not like he needs it.

 

All This

Lucas Black Friday, December 16th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

All this tells me is that Perry must think he’s got no shot at the GOP nomination. If he did, he’d have delayed this to avoid the hypocrisy charge. Either that or else he really is that dumb – can’t he see how this would look? In a GOP primary? Wonder what his cheering section has to say about this one?

Lucas Black...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

He “retired” in January before he was ever running for POTUS.

Also, this is the state Employee Retirement system, not Social Security.

I really don’t see a problem with this.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


I see

Lucas Black Friday, December 16th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

Well, having read the article a bit closer, you are right on the January retirement. However, the fact that he sought two delays in disclosure and left it for the last minute shows that he knows the optics are bad. Basically, it comes across as double-dipping and if some union boss did that, Perry would be the first one to scream.

Show me some proof for that last line.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 3:52PM EDT (link)

I don’t know that Perry is against being able to “retire” and still work and collect a paycheck and contribute taxes into the retirement system. Especially at the state level rather than the federal level.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 

Agree

tyman Friday, December 16th at 3:56PM EDT (link)

The article says that he is still continuing to pay 6.5% into this annuity fund.

My uncle used to work for a local county government and his pension is more than he ever made as an employee. I believe he retired around age 60.

If anything, this makes a stronger case for overhauling Social Security. If you factor in taxes and inflation, SS actually provides a NEGATIVE rate of return. What a ripoff!

And look at how well the employees of Galveston County did since they opted out of Social Security.

Boy, you’d think they have better things to do than to try and make a washed up candidate look bad.

 
 

I'd say that he's entitled like everyone one else, great estate planning.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:58PM EDT (link)

Thanks for beckoning the Perry cheerleading squad. :D

oops, dropped "one" pom pom haha nt

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 5:59PM EDT (link)

Perry, Perry, RAH RAH RAH! (How's that for cheerleading, any good?)

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

Who cares if @GovernorPerry is collecting retirement money. I notice the MSM doesn’t whine too much about Willard or Newt’s bulging pocketbooks. Woe ye hypocrites! Not a word on Michelle O’s ritzy hotels, Princess Nancy’s jets? Willard’s mansions? Haven’t heard much about Newt’s Tiffany tab lately. Hey, they can do whatever they want with their wealth, it doesn’t matter a hill of beans to me–but DON’T impale Perry because he ups his income by completely legal means!

(And Lucas, this is not the first time I’ve caught you using left-leaning news sources for your tidbits. Last time it was the San Francisco Chronicle. Perry warned us last night not to believe everything we read in the Austin American Statesman–same goes for the Texas Tribune. Why, they are trying to convince me today that “Paul stole the show” last night. Blech. Get some better news sources, please.)

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Articles

Lucas Black Friday, December 16th at 9:53PM EDT (link)

In the first place, I didn’t link to the article and in fact, I first read about it on Politico which I do not consider left-leaning. As for Texas newspapers, I have no idea which are left wing and which are right wing.

Wait a minute, you don't consider Politico left-leaning?

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:17PM EDT (link)

Really, Lucas?

National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.

@LAPatriette

Politico states their wishful thinking as fact.

snowshooze (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:52PM EDT (link)

They are unabashed bald faced liars.
They are doing everything they can to spin any morsel of information they discover into a foundation for a liberal assumption.
I read them for entertainment purposes mostly.
But I also gain insight on liberal brain cancer.
LBC is a disease that has the potential to destroy a perfectly good country, so I feel I must stay abreast of it.

Agree, it's good to know what the opposing side is thinking.

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:59PM EDT (link)

Doesn’t mean I have to believe it all! Why, I posted a link from Pollutico about Nikki Haley just this evening–but read it with a cautious mind. I have no desire to catch LBC so I’m on my guard every time I read/watch anything from Politico, CNN, MSNBC, etc. (And now I have to put up my guard for Fox, too…) Alas, for more conservative media like RedState.

Oh, by the way, Texas Tribune and Austin American Statesman are DEFINITELY liberal and take every opportunity to attack Perry.

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If you have no fear... also try FiredogLake, Salon and MudFlats..

snowshooze (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:12PM EDT (link)

I actually enjoy the recipe’s I find at Salon… and sometimes just go straight to them for fear I will go blind if I read the rest of thee drivel I find there…

Oh... I forgot mention..

snowshooze (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 11:13PM EDT (link)

The Onion.

 
 
 
 

No

Lucas Black Friday, December 16th at 11:25PM EDT (link)

Oddly enough, over on left-leaning blogs, they consider Politico to be right wing. For the most part, I think it’s neither.

Hello wasn't it Politico that first came out with the

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 1:43PM EDT (link)

stupid story about Rick Perry and the N—rock? Yeah they are real news worthy.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

romansdaughter It was the Washington Post

1bunny Sunday, December 18th at 4:03PM EDT (link)

and not Politico that first came out with the rock story but Politico that first came out with the Cain sexual harassmant story.

WaPo how could I forget 1bunny?

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 4:36PM EDT (link)

Thanks for the correction. But Politico is not too much better.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 
 
 
 

well, Google Politico bias, Politico left leaning

sunshinek67 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:34PM EDT (link)

something to that effect. It’s not hard to do research these days with social networking, “forums” like this, everything can be found in just seconds, right?

Lalapundit submitted this hit piece on HA front page. Hasn’t been a Perry person anyway, somebody over there said it pretty good, If this doesn’t make you want to support Governor Perry for President, you probably weren’t going to support him anyway. Tapping into a pension account that you put your own money into? This is news, why?

I’d rather discuss Newt Gingrich’s tenure as an unregistered lobbyist banking millions amid the mortgage crisis, folks losing their home. No, you’d rather talk about Governor Perry’s pension account. I think he would be foolish NOT to get that money out. None of any of our business, it’s public service pay. Everyone controls their own destiny, even you, Lucas Black, can run for Governor and collect state benefits.

Texas A & M University, for i.e. has a teacher retirement fund that after 20 years of service an employee can retire from the system and collect full benefits. Now, think about that as a 40 year old retiree, is that fair to the others out there that are still working toward that 55, 60, 65 year mark?

 
 

another Perry cheerleader here.

cheetah2 (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

You get what you pay for. States strive to offer enough compensation to their top executives in order to attract the best. I would say that whatever Texas pays Perry in salary and pension and whatever other benefits he gets is well worth it. He put tort reform in place. He kept the government out of the way of the job creators. He fostered the climate that has helped his state weather the disastrous policies of Obama better than any other state. Texas is actually entering an economic recovery evidenced by a state budget surplus in excess of what was projected.

How I wish we had a Governor Perry in my state! My family owned a small business that was stifled by restrictive government interference. As commercial property owners, my family has watched our tenants, also small business owners, suffer the same way. One of them failed, the others are barely holding on. How I wish my son were attending college in Texas rather that California. I would love it if he could snag a couple of those minimum wage jobs that we always hear are abundantly available in Texas. Whatever they pay Perry in Texas, I would be glad for my state to even pay more!

Perry worked his way up from rock bottom. In his early years as a state legislator, his pay was so low that his wife worked so they could make ends meet. Over the years, his work performance has satisfied his constituents to the extent that he has never failed to be reelected in his entire career. He has earned the rewards he now reaps which I am certain are moderate when compared with what many other public officials get.

Lets just not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Our country needs Perry. And just think, we will be getting a bargain as he has offered to serve as president at half pay. Lets go for it!

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Credit years....

woggie Saturday, December 17th at 6:31PM EDT (link)

are probably really quite modest as they must be service (8 yrs) and legislative time mostly. What’s the beef? Someone is propagating a hack job.,

 

He's a fighter

promise Saturday, December 17th at 9:20PM EDT (link)

A month or so ago I heard a teacher from Texas on talk radio tell about the time the teachers unions came to Perry to get the “rainy day” fund for themselves so they could keep getting their “retirement” & other monies. But Perry said no way and they didn’t get it, the teacher said she was behind Perry all the way and it was good thing he said NO, cause they had that money to get them thru the fires since the feds did not help at all! I also like the fact he sent a bill for 356 billion dollars to Janet N. in DC for housing of illegals!! Of course she sent it back, I’d love to see him divid it per capita and have ALL the citizens send an individual bill to this Janet N. in DC!! Can’t you just see her ugly face when she gets 3 or 4 million statements for housing illegals from Texans!!! Would be beautiful to behold!!

 
 
 
 
 
 

You Need To Re-Read The Article

carolynr Friday, December 16th at 7:22PM EDT (link)

Perry did not retire. He took elected credits now instead of later. This is the same as you taking SS now or later.

He’s paid into it…he’s entitled. Had I worked until I could get full retirement…I might not get anything…EVER from Obama.
Again…your lead in title…Perry retires is misleading.

It’s like this…when I come of full retirement age…I can work and still collect SS. Is that wrong?

 
 
 

I've read some pretty lengthy post here today.

ihateliberals Friday, December 16th at 4:47PM EDT (link)

The bottom line still goes to who is the most Not Romney and Not Obama candidate that is within reach of the Nomination. so far the Republican Elite are losing out on Romney. While Romney can talk the talk you can not trust him to walk the walk. He will flip-flop in a heart beat and he is a RINO. You can not trust a RINO to stay on the conservative track. His record in Mass proves this out and He was the designer of Obamacare and we can’t expect him to repeal Obamacare and or maybe add more to it. My true choice is Michele Bachman but if the majority go with Newt I am ok with that. As for Paul or Huntsman they are out there in weird land and Santorum use to be my governor. He is ok but not feisty enough. Oh yeah there is Perry. Again Perry turned me off with the hunting lodge sign on the rock and he compared himself to Reagan as being a Democrat Turned Republican. Perry is no more like Reagan than my dead dog that is buried in the back yard. He is a RINO and as I have already said a RINO can not be trusted to toe the line.

Your choice is Bachmann.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:36PM EDT (link)

So, you’d prefer a twit with good speaking points and absolutely no executive experience and shaky relations in the Congress over a proven executive who has governed very conservatively for over 10 years.

That pretty much says everything anybody needs to know about you.

Change

Romneybots are known to push Bachmann

californiagold Friday, December 16th at 7:40PM EDT (link)

that might explain it as well.

 
 

i tried to follow you...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 1:38AM EDT (link)

…but fell off-the-cliff when you dismissed Perry as a RINO.

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Bachmann is unqualified to be president, so is Santorum.

cheetah2 (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 1:32AM EDT (link)

Our poor country can’t handle another 4 years with a novice at the helm. That was my first reason for wanting Perry. His will be a steady and sure hand at the helm, because he has many years of experience. He knows how to do this.

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So wrong you are, ihateliberals, about Perry being a RINO.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 5:09PM EDT (link)

What is your proof?

The rock? You gotta be kiddin’. That was a lame attempt at smearing him by some liberal outfit that loser Cain then jumped on. You fell for it.
And, you hate……liberals?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

I fell for nothing. I hve been a conservative for over 55 years and I know a RINO when I smell one.

ihateliberals Friday, December 16th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

The Texas Dream act for one example and the fact that the only reason he turned Republican was to be elected not that he bought into the conservative Platform. Not All Republicans are conservative as is the case with John Boehner, John McCain, Olympia Snowe yet people keep thinking that because they are Republicans they are conservative.

I worked with Gingrich and Tom Davis when the contract with America was being formed. Newt knows what he is doing even with some of the things that come out right now. Bachman is conservative to the bone more so than any of the remaining candidates. Positions on abortions etc really have nothing to do with the president. A Pro-life President doesn’t have anymore control over policy on that than I do. Congress is where those changes matter, I’m more concerned wiht Foreign affairs and economy than the social issues. Social issues are the least of the Presidents problems. It is time the this country had a woman leader. If that is true then I want a Republican woman to be the first not a Liberal like Clinton. The only reason people bash Bachman is that she is Tea Party. Like I said in ht ebegingin I have been a conservative Republican for over 55 years and I do know a thing or two about Liberals and conservatives and Blue Dogs and RINO’s. People that stand in the middle of the traacks sooner or later get hit by the train (Moderates). If you are going to stand for something then get on one side or the other of the tracks and then Stand for it. Don’t give in don’t compromise. I did not send my representatives to DC to compromise principles. The only time compromise is spoken of n DC is when Liberals are losing. If not then where was the compromise on Obamacare, the Budget etc. Compromise is the cowards way out. I would rather lose and be right than to win and be wrong.

Yes I do hate liberates and Moderates. The only thing liberals want is failure and to create more poor dependent people in other words they like slaves. LIberasl are n their glory right now withthe number of people on welfre, unemployment and any other program they have created. That is their success. A conservatives success is measured by how many people are not on welfare etc and are working at GOOD jobs taking care of themselves. Romney is a member of my church and he doesn’t even stand by the teachings of the church why would I want him in office. Perry, Cain, Santorum, Huntsman and Paul are all just as quirky and Moderate and RINO’s as can be had. They are the worst examples of Republicans I have seen in many years. This election should be a total run away for anyone running against Obama and with the crowd we have for the Republican candidates we will be lucky to get half of the votes. Obama should only be able to carry Illinois and as bad as he is 48% still will vote for him. We are in deep trouble and we need a strong Conservative and not a turn coat or a RINO to be elected. A Romney win is no better than an Obama win. Romney is Obama lite 2.0.

let's be rational...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 1:58AM EDT (link)

…and distill your points.

[BTW, Santorum was my SENATOR, too, but he was never "Governor" of the Commonwealth of PA.]

You write: “Perry turned me off with the hunting lodge sign on the rock and he compared himself to Reagan as being a Democrat Turned Republican.” And you add: “Texas Dream act for one example and the fact that the only reason he turned Republican was to be elected.” You are too harsh; the hunting-lodge attack by WaPo was debunked, and he had already evinced conservatism when he chose the most right-wing POTUS candidate in 1988 [Gore]. And the Texas Dream Act, in his view, has saved [welfare] $; it is a state-level solution that his constituents like.

You write: “Newt knows what he is doing even with some of the things that come out right now.” His past cannot be ignored, and some of his current ideas are off-putting. [I have extensively documented the former during the past fortnight, over the objections of Wonkish1/JSobieski, you may recall; the more he tries to rationalize-away his faults, the more his elitism/statism are evinced.]

You write: “Bachmann is conservative to the bone more so than any of the remaining candidates. The only reason people bash Bachman is that she is Tea Party.” The former is true [I spoke with her for ~15 minutes eyeball-to-eyeball]; the latter is not true [recall Gardisil and lack of deliverable].

You write: “Positions on abortions etc really have nothing to do with the president.”

You write: “People that stand in the middle of the traacks sooner or later get hit by the train (Moderates)…. I would rather lose and be right than to win and be wrong.” Concur that we should prefer seeking common ground to compromising principles, but sometimes the pragmatic operational needs must be met so that a strategic war can be won in the future.

You write: “The only thing liberals want is failure and to create more poor dependent people.” THIS will be the major challenge during the fall campaign, for BHO has nothing else to do other than to engage in class-warfare; we must show that this is both antithetical to American values and a short-sighted “fix” for those tempted to invoke it.

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[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]

“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”

the abortion-issue requires commentary that is more lengthy...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 2:05AM EDT (link)

…because you are both correct [when invoking Congress] and incorrect [noting the potential to issue Executive Orders].

But the true impact of your claim must be plumbed, certainly by this “multiple choice” blogger.

I have convinced a lot of 100% pro-choice people to take pause, but it is dangerous to wrap one’s self around this one social issue, lest one get tangled in the anti-libertarian compulsion to dictate social policy to the majority of Americans who would recoil [either because of their not being pro-life or because of the desire to exclude government from the bedroom....regardless of the "side of the bed" upon which the individual may sleep].

The pivotal point is that this should NOT be portrayed as a deal-breaker [regardless of the posture of both the candidate and the voter].

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Dr Bob, how would you respond if someone did the following

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 2:18AM EDT (link)

Provided a block quote in which Perry said:
I support in-state tuition for illegals
I do not support amnesty

Used the quote to repeatedly to in support of the conclusion that Perry supported amnesty.

Continued to use the quote even though people kept pointint out that Perry specifically said that he opposed amnesty.

After 20+ of repeating the quote and ignoring the criticism, the anti-Perry commentator characterized his detractor as being a “word smith”

Several days later, the person makes a plea for reason.

I don’t disagree that Newt is a toad of sorts. There are plenty of legitimate quotes one can use to attack him.

Go Perry, but if he fails, I vote for the toad!

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lets be rational?

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 2:09AM EDT (link)

[You repeatedly cited a block quote and failed to address the specific language that you yourself cited until I pointed out what the words actually meant for the 21st time]

[If you had dropped that quote, and instead relied on other evidence, you would have been behaving rationally and above board. Instead, you repeatedly use a quotation of A to support conclusion B even though I repeatedly pointed out that A did not equal B. ]

[Only after the 21st time did you actually respond the actual words in the quote which you yourself selected.]

[Your response was to characterize my point as "word smithing"--a retort that our Founders would never use, since they actually took words seriously]

[This is a totally parenthetical response since I am not actually saying anything---I am just shaking my head]

Go Perry!

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 

Perry on CNN/King: Perry 'taken aback' by Paul's comments on Iran

bzip Friday, December 16th at 5:43PM EDT (link)

It sounds like Rick Perry will be on John King’s show tonight 6pm ET. At least that is the impression I got from a CNN article where Perry attacks Paul on Iran;

Perry ‘taken aback’ by Paul’s comments on Iran
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/perry-taken-aback-by-pauls-comments-on-iran/

Bachmann was just interviewed on CNN with Wolf – I am sorry but she is too whiny for me. Great attack horse but forget being president.

I saw that bzip

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

and she doubled down on dumb from last night when she said again that she is a serious candidate for president of the Uninted States. That isn’t a typo as she always says Uninted. She also took the bait from Blitzer when he asked her if she thought Gingrich was being disrespectful to her because she is a female. She said that Gingrich was condescending and insulting to her, and that she doesn’t appreciate being spoken to as though she was a student. That was a hit against many that have complained that Gingrich always talks like he is the professor and trying to teach everyone history lessons. In all, she is a whiner, and her shrill voice always grates on my nerves.

Perry is going to be on with John King now in his hour in a one on one.

Heh, a Christmas nightmare

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:06PM EDT (link)

Imagine Paul/Bachmann 2012 – ?????

Even Hannity was taken aback by Ron Pauls idiocy…..

Who are Ron Paul’s supporters???
I hear many of them on radio talk shows and the IQ is just not there.
Do these folks think the rest of the world will go back to 1820???

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

Yep Scope I agree

bzip Friday, December 16th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

You echoed by feelings towards Bachmann, I was in dismay when Bachmann once again used that term, “serious candidate” in her interview with Wolf.

I don’t think she is helping herself at all, I also think she is helping to bring Newt down so I guess I am happy :-) . She always does this, she can bring others down but in the same breath she brings herself down. Yep, her whining drives me nuts and she just isn’t presidential sounding.

Scope and Bzip, my take on Bachmann is...

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 1:53PM EDT (link)

When you keep repeating and emphasizing your a serious candidate then you probably aren’t. I mean most people can tell who is a serious candidate and she certainly makes you wonder why she feels the need to keep bringing that to everyone’s attention. It turns me off, just like her always bringing up that she is the only true conservative. Doesn’t gel well with me.

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Slam- Gov. Perry responds to the Haley Romney endorsement

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:36PM EDT (link)

John King asked him how he felt about that endorsement, and in his typical style, with a smiling face he said that was fine with him, and that was one SC vote for Romney. He brought up the fact that he was endorsed by Gen. Livingston just a week ago, who heads up the veterans in SC. He said that he prefers the endorsement of those who have been serving for a long period of time, and he considered Livingston’s endorsement above all others. I’m paraphraising here. I’m sure the transcript will be available soon enough. He also said he was taken aback at Dr. Paul’s seeming dismissal at the goals of the Iran Mullahs, and that Paul said there is no proof that they are close to the bobm. He said that he talks to John Bolton on a regular basis and that Bolton is very concerned about the nuclear program in Iran.

If I am not mistaken, wasn’t it the veterans in SC that pushed McCain into the win in that state? Isn’t there a large veteran population in SC?

Oh wow, Miss Scope.

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:45PM EDT (link)

If that’s the case, if veterans won SC for McCain, then we should be in pretty good shape. Isn’t it like Perry to act like a gentleman over Nikki Haley’s horrific betrayal? (And she didn’t just betray Perry or Bachmann, she betrayed the entire Tea Party.) Loved his comment about the mullahs.

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P.S. How are you doing, Scope?

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 6:48PM EDT (link)

I didn’t remember until I clicked “post comment” that I hadn’t given you my regards or anything :) Haven’t run into you in some days, in seems like.

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Hi change

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:19PM EDT (link)

Good to see you. Hope all is well with you. Yes, I remember reading back in the 08 campaign season that it was much of the veteran support in SC that gave McCain the win. Perhaps someone from SC can weigh in on that, but that is what I had read. Apparently there is a very large veteran population in SC, and I promise our veterans do vote.

I just saw a clip on CNN where Christine O’Donnell said that she supported Romney that he has been consistent since he changed his mind. So much goes for the big Romney endorsements. Haley is going to suffer for her endorsement. She has a 36% approval rating in SC, and I do believe that she just lost even more support, especially with the Tea Parties. It’s what you call slapping your supporters up side the head.

David Gergin and Scott Stenzel (Republican analyst on CNN) on CNN said that Haleys' endorsement......

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

(1) (per Stanzel) wouldn’t be worth for much as she’s not that influential in SC, but that someone like Rick Scott (R – FL) would be more influential.

(2)(per Gergin) isn’t that important as it’s due to Romney’s “pouring money into other candidates’ races in the past”.

Quite an honest statement for CNN, I must say. I’m supposing that FOX is continuing with the Romney love fest? Haven’t watch it.

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Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

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Pollutico itself is reporting a Tea Party backlash against Nikki Haley

louisianapatriette (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:22PM EDT (link)

For whatever it’s worth, here’s the link.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70580.html

Sounds like there are some angry folks, though. Did anyone see her Facebook page this morning? I did. Oh boy, were there some angry, disappointed, and disgusted comments. I would NOT want to be in her shoes this evening.

Paging Sarah Palin . . . Sarah, please pick up, we need an endorsement for Perry from you . . . y’know it’ll blow Christine O’Donnell and Nikki Haley out of the water . . . come in, Sarah, do you read me?

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Thanks for that report change

Scope (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 9:43PM EDT (link)

I guess in addition to her already failing state approval ratings she seems to have committed political suicide. It will be interesting to see where her approval ratings go after this. She must be bleeding Tea Party supporters. Hey, maybe she doesn’t care, or, maybe she thinks Romney will do something to resurrect her political career perhaps by promising her an administration appointment. Who knows. There are usually reasons for someone to go so far off the reservation, and it usually isn’t for laudable reasons.

 

unearthing this article is a highly-important "get"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 9:54AM EDT (link)

…but not for reasons anticipated by Mitt.

The reaction to this event [plus Christine's "he was consistent after he was inconsistent" quasi-endorsement] serves as a warning to Sarah.

The “base of the base” is loyal…but not stupid.

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Why was Haley at so low as 36% BEFORE the Romney

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 10:41PM EDT (link)

endorsement?

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

You would know better than the rest of us, right?

nathanalbright (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:30AM EDT (link)

…being from South Carolina and all.

"From", being the operative word, as I have been "in" Atlanta for 10 years...but

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 7:55AM EDT (link)

I do regularly read the SC newspaper websites and am in touch with relatives and friends in SC and haven’t really picked up on Haley’s drop in approval. I am researching this matter now…It seems some are upset at how she has not objected to the Savannah Port expansion but I think that is due to the desire for reciprocation with Georgia on our ports.

more later in a column…

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I can see how some might be upset over a port matter....

nathanalbright (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 8:18AM EDT (link)

…but surely that can’t be the whole story, to knock someone down to 36%. I wouldn’t know that many people (other than myself) who are passionate about such logistical matters.

exactly - I don't trust the liberal press in SC

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

on this

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'bright, this story makes Haley's loss of popularity look mostly due to style not substance

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 8:17AM EDT (link)

http://www.thestate.com/2011/12/11/2076002/sc-voters-souring-on-governor.html

more later

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I took a look at your article....

nathanalbright (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 8:22AM EDT (link)

….and it appears that the general bad economy, a view that she’s secretive and not open and transparent, and concerns like education appear to be largely responsible. I don’t think that Democrats can be as sanguine as they argue in the article, though.

agreed - there is not substantive anti-tea party issue argument against Nikki

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

Haley

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Then again GC

Scope (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:46PM EDT (link)

Take a look at the leftist Politico article where some are quoted as saying that Haley had already been on the downhill slide with the Tea Partiers in SC, even before her endorsement of Romnet. I don’t know much about SC, and the movers and shakers there that may have an impact. A DeMint endorsement would have tremendous weight, but I understand he will not endorse in the primaries.

Yes, but I can't find a substantive issue argument to justify

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 5:53PM EDT (link)

that fall in the polls. More later in a column before Monday Noon…I’m working the case!

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Catch This

carolynr Friday, December 16th at 7:05PM EDT (link)

Lib Radio Host Bill Press Tells Tebow: ‘S-T-F-U’ (Shut the F**k Up) About Jesus

This was on one of the blogs. So…I guess there couldn’t be a bigger contrast…Perry against Libs that Love Obama…Bill Press.

Bill who?

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 7:43PM EDT (link)

nt

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Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

Do you agree with me that a vote for Bachmann or Santorum is a wasted vote ?

californiagold Friday, December 16th at 7:38PM EDT (link)

This is a serious question….I believe that if we are to be honest, we can admit that neither Santorum or Bachmann have a legitimate chance at being the nominee. So what’s the point in wasting your vote on them ( and helping Romney) when there are other conservatives that DO have legitimate chance at being the nominee ?

Agree, californiagold.....wasted votes.

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 7:46PM EDT (link)

I thought people used to gracefully bow out at some time. ??
Bachmann, of course, is staying in for the same reason that Haley endorsed Romney, IMHO. $$

Romney wouldn’t be where he is now except for buying votes. What a great prez he’d make, right?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

A Santorum/Romney connection ?

californiagold Friday, December 16th at 8:12PM EDT (link)

I’ve never understood the reasoning for a Santorum candidacy in the first place. Afterall, this guy lost his senate reelection bid by double digits. And it was Santorum that claimed to be prolife, yet endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. That’s not much of a record to run on for president.

And recently the Romneybots in the media, ie, Hugh Hewitt, have been pushing Santorum. Hewitt knows Santorum can’t win. But Hewitt also knows that if Santorum can get between 5%-10% of the Iowa vote he could split the conservative vote which would help Romney.

Once again, a vote for Santorum or Bachmann is a wasted vote….

Well, $264,000,000+ and well placed friends can influence an election pretty good....?

avagreen Friday, December 16th at 9:04PM EDT (link)

plus whatever contributions he’s received from supporters and his former business partners in Bain, Thomas Coleman Andrews and Eric Kriss.
Ole man Kennedy did this for his son in 1960.

Romney is worth…..$264,000,000+.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-12/politics/30046635_1_mitt-romney-major-investment-firms-cell-research

That could explain(and most likely does) why so many people are still in this race who should have quit long ago, which just splits the vote and whose supporters can go to “someone else” if they quit and….endorse another candidate. ;)
……. in addition to the chits he’s calling in such as for Gov. Haley, and other people he’s helped financially in past (rumored to be Cain, Bachmann, etc).
………apparently, he has some kind of agreement with Fox’s commenters/contributors dating back to 2007.
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/04/05/mitt_romneys_quiet_contributors_neil_cavuto_ignores_the_billionaire_candidates_connections_to_bain_capital_carlyle_group_kkr_and_clear_channel.php

And, Bain Capital joined Thomas H. Lee Partners to purchase Clear Channel Communications, the media juggernaut whose 1000+ stations carry Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Dr. Laura Schlesinger as well as a few progressives like Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz and Thom Hartmann.

This is probably not news to most of you, but sometimes I’m just sortuv slow in making ALL the connections. And, someone may have already made all these connections in the past on the forum.

??

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avagreen, you might be on to something...

californiagold Saturday, December 17th at 12:07AM EDT (link)

Watching these debates during the past few months, it has become obvious that Bachmann isn’t playing so much to be the nominee as she’s is trying to keep other candidates from gaining on Romney. First she attacked Rick Perry, now she’s going after Gingrich. Yet in all these months of campaigning, she’s rarely gone after Mitt Romney’s liberal record in Massachusetts. And Rick Santorum has been mostly silent on Romney’s record as well. One would think that if Bachmann or Santorum were serious about winning the nomination, they’d try to expose Mitt Romney’s record considering he’s one of the frontrunners. To the casual observer, something just doesn’t add up here.

And let’s not forget about Hermain Cain. As many know, Cain was a radio talk show host before entering the race. What better way to raise his visibility than to run a shoestring campaign for president. Once Herman Cain’s campaign suddenly started gaining traction, he went after Rick Perry, yet remained silent on Romney’s record in Massachusetts. Then in what at the time was a bizarre statement, Cain suggested that he’d like Romney as his VP running mate. That’s right, Hermain Cain, the self proclaimed Tea Party “outsider” actually said he’d consider Mitt Romney as his running mate. ( I guess for a talk show host like Herman, it made sense considering Romney’s connections to the radio business.)

What does this all mean ?….Probably nothing, as we all know politicians are as honest, ethical, and pure as Mother Teresa.

 

wow

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

5 x 5

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You have a good point there to ponder...

nathanalbright (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 10:32AM EDT (link)

Perhaps politicians, just like armies, fight the last war. If you remember in 2008, John McCain won SC and carried valuable momentum into Florida, largely thanks to Fred Thompson taking enough votes to deny Romney. Perhaps that gave Romney the idea to fund stalking horse conservative candidates by promising them enough funding (and who knows what else, maybe a cabinet level position) if they would race as conservatives despite being stalking horses for Romney. It could be that Romney is trying to use various candidates (like Cain, Bachmann, and Santorum) to divide the Conservative vote and ensure his own victory in a “reverse Thompson maneuver.” That can only work, though, if those candidates remain viable at least until SC and/or Florida. Cain already imploded, but we still need to see about Santorum and Bachmann, who I do not think will remain past Iowa and New Hampshire. If that is the case, then the strategy backfires and a genuine race between Romney, Newt, and Perry can take place.

Stalking Horse candidates or Straw candidates

charliebravoNH (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 9:13PM EDT (link)

are illegal in NH I can’t speak for the other states. All these candidates you mention are on the ballot in NH and are subject to State election laws.

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It looks to me that because Newt scares Tea Party

center77 (Diary) Friday, December 16th at 7:53PM EDT (link)

Elected member that so many are going to enforce Romney. Newt may have convincedsome he is their Guy. Those who know him are scared todeath of the damage he is known to do to conservatives causes. Its time to back Perry or get behind Romney. Newt will not likely. Win against the whole Elected party

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Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

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Some of you are looking for the ideological

usedtobelib Friday, December 16th at 10:46PM EDT (link)

savior. You’re not going to find that in this election. Those who are ideolocially pure enough for you will never get the GOP nod much less support from the majority of American voters.

Santorum and Bachmann fit that bill, but while their input is crucial because ideas deserve to be heard and because ideas need a messenger with a megaphone, these two are not representative of how the majority of America thinks. That is simply is the truth, and I see no evidence, no matter how well they do in Iowa, a caucus state in which there is usually heavy participation by the religious right, that their performances there should they be good, will propel them anywhere else.

Newt? He scares a lot of people because there’ good Newt that fires you up and makes you clap your hands until they hurt; then there’s bad Newt who reminds you he has visions of being king, not President, in his head. That’s just who he is. He belongs in a college classroom or as a contrarian voice to kings and Presidents.

Mitt? He’s not by nature a politician, that’s why he looks awkward at it, His dad was more the pol.

However, what is most intriguing is the businessman that is Mitt. T If you’ve spent time around people who are entrepeneurs, you know they are takers of action, not people who sit around contemplating their navels. They are not Hamlets.

They won’t win awards for stirring speeches. They are of mind to “get it done.” To get it done, they have learned to gather people who are not like-minded be they adversaries or friends in an effort to find solutions.

Sounds pretty good to a man or woman out of work.

you omitted perry...

rsklaroff (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 11:09AM EDT (link)

…with whom an activist can also relate ideologically.

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GW Bush was a businessman too....

californiagold Saturday, December 17th at 12:22AM EDT (link)

….and all his previous business “experience” didn’t help him at all in 2008 when the economy nearly went into a depression.

Well, you know

Wayne (Diary) Saturday, December 17th at 9:03AM EDT (link)

what they say about a recession and depression. You being in California, it’s amazing to me that you can’t see the writing on the wall. In any case, It’s clear that both Party’s prefer Romney over any other candidate (representing the least change from the path were on) and yes, the fact the Cain and Bachmann have not attacked his record is disconcerting but I’m not going so far as to a conspiracy theory of some kind.

Perry won me over some time ago and there is no reason to give up on him. I’m with him to the bitter end now and hope that he can revive his campaign. But, this sinking feeling that Romney will get the nod continues to grow in me and it’s really depressing when you spend too much time contemplating the consequences.

It supports the view that the two party system has failed us completely and the only hope is to bring back the one that has done the most for individual freedom and conservative values to its original roots. That can only happen with everyday people like us continuing to reach out to the ill informed and sheepal of both parties, independents and freedom loving individuals of all parties that believe the original limits of the federal government will provide a stronger national defense and greater protection from criminal activity through sound fiscal and foreign policy.

Wayne

“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson -

 

Yes, GWBush was a businessman,

usedtobelib Saturday, December 17th at 8:05PM EDT (link)

but he wasn’t a good one, no disrespect intended.

 
 

RINO New World Order Globalist Republicans After Ron Paul Again

awkingsley Sunday, December 18th at 5:10PM EDT (link)

So what’s new? The RINO New World Order Globalist Republicans are after Ron Paul again on foreign policy. Time to become and independent! When wacko RINOs have us fighting all over the world and bullying people of every nation, insisting that the U.S. Tax payer fund the bill for all of this, it is time to put them in the can. Insulting Ron Paul for your Globalist wacked out agenda is going to elicit condemnation.

And any minute now, a mod will be by to talk to you about site policy. Good luck from there [nt]

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 5:12PM EDT (link)

Whew from what planet did you blow in from?

romansdaughter Sunday, December 18th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

nt.

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G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 5:19PM EDT (link)

lineholder was half right.

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Well, that was unfortunate.

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, December 18th at 5:19PM EDT (link)

Your posting history should have clued us in as to your tinfoil-hattedness before. As I mentioned a few minutes ago, our Ronulan banning policy is still in place, especially when you make no efforts to hide your lack of hinges.

Hasta la vista.

(oops, looks like Neil beat me to it…)

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