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Insanity

The Republican Party has gone insane.

For the better part of the last three years the Republican Party has exercised itself into a frenzy over the need to repeal Obamacare. For the two years leading up to November of 2010, mostly middle aged working white people took to the streets in sizes rivaling a NASCAR race to protest the socialization of the American health care system.

The individual mandate and TARP draw the ire of scores of primary voters.

And our two front runners for President? They both support an individual mandate and they both supported TARP.

Not only that, just last year Mitt Romney was saying he’d keep parts of Obamacare. Like supporting amnesty, he has changed his position just in time for an election cycle.

Are we really going to do this?

I just want everyone to make sure they understand this and remind them that Perry, Bachmann, Huntsman, and yes, even Rick Santorum are still in the race.

COMMENTS

  • davesinsanantonio

    top of this and using their brains and their backbones. We, of course, shall see. If we blow this year, we have no one to blame but ourselves, and we are the ones who will have to live with the consequences. And, we are unlikely to get another chance without major bloodshed. I know that sounds wacky, but we live in a wacky world, and we are led by truly wacked-out politicians who are not in any way statesmen.

    May the Lord bless us, we are going to need it.

  • http://www.dhstation.com mayrfortuna

    Sitted here, in the middle of a communist country named Brazil, I, a third-worlder am imagining…

    America is the Last Beacon, and American Conservatives know that.
    American Conservatives have access to the most sophisticated informational media resources that has ever been in worlds hystory.
    Why is it that they do not use it?
    Will it be the devils ways?

    You Americans have an impressive group of contenders for White House Office, in between them, there is a man, for all I here in the thir-world have read is a serious man. You repute this man to be a Moderate.

    Have you ever had a Governor in a State that have been re-elected with 80% support of state voters?

    Have you ever had a Governor that acted like a Diplomat but had been accounted to the right of Ronaldus Magnus?

    Have you ever had a Governor that is so pragmatic that he would not dare deny the call of the POTUS evenm if it is a communist POTUS?

    In between the candidates is there a better economic plan than that of Jon Hontsman – Said to be so impressive that even El Roshbo praised it?

    Are you, including YOU Mr. Erickson, denying this man a chance to talk and some support based on his pragmacie?

    Or is it just because he did not pay bowing to the communist he served? As I see, he did not served the communist POTUS, he attende a call of The POTUS to SERVE America Mr. Erickson!

    But then, I am just a third-worlder… I hope you Americans get your points toguether…

    For the sake of the world I do hope it happens.

  • kervick

    He raised four million dollars over the weekend from small donors. Not only is he against the individual mandate, he is against all federal government mandates. He was against TARP and the even greater threat, the Federal Reserve system. He is the most conservative man in the race. I’ll take Huntsman if he is still standing, But the other three bozos? Give me a break.

  • burnindaylight

    Erick surely you know NEWT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE! He has explained it ad infinitum in numerous debates and interviews. He has pledged to REPEAL OBAMACARE IN ITS ENTIRETY! Why must you lump him with Romney and make those inaccurate claims?

    The real insanity is that in a climate of unprecidented voter interest and an involved electorate, the “conservative experts” don’t think “We the People” have enough sense to listen to a candidate, look at their record and make the right decision. They are torpedoing any chance we have of beating Obama by bloodying our own candidates! Declaring our frontrunners “unfit for consideration” as Andrew C. McCarthy wrote 12/17 in the National Review Online is just insulting to them and to voters!

    You may not like Newt Gingrich personally. But you cannot argue with his record of accomplishments. He has EXPERIENCE balancing the Federal budget and reforming entitlements. (Remember, “it’s the economy, stupid”) No one else in the field is even in the same league as far as experience, leadership, and accomplishments!

    He will understand the inner workings of the legislative and consensus-building process from day one and he won’t waste any time doing the things he has pledged – in great detail – to do! We don’t have time for someone to learn what he’ll go into the Oval Office KNOWING.

    You’ve already left him for dead once in this campaign. Must you kill his chances again? We need bold strokes this time. We need Newt! I want the “smartest guy in the room” to be my President – NOT the smoothest operator!

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    You named four “conservative” candidates. That will split the conservative vote four ways and hand the nomination to Romney. None of the candidates you mentioned has been able to make their case clearly and connect with the voters. I want a conservative candidate, but which ONE??

  • http://www.dhstation.com mayrfortuna

    Forgive me for the misspelling and the typing erros…
    Huntsman…

    El Rushbo…

    sited… history… attended… together…

  • dixiepassion

    Ron Paul 2012 don’t forget he is running too. The GOP is in denial BIG TIME!!!

  • Douglas Erley

    The Republican Party, the Media, the “Conservative Punditry” are all preaching that Romney can win. We are nervous. We just can’t take the risk of a true conservative running and failing. We know what happens when we nominate a McCain type candidate, but we are like moths to a flame. “Obama must go” is our mantra. I agree that we are nuts. We are starved for leadership. We bounce around from candidate to candidate. I think Romney will be the nominee, and I think we will be disappointed in his performance.

  • plf5403

    The biggest knock I keep reading about Bachmann is her lack of gravitas. She doesn’t have presidential “presence”. What, like Obama? See where that’s gotten us. Yes, being able to lead and inspire confidence is a big part of the job, but people will come around if your policies and your appointees are doing what’s right for America. Is everyone afraid Bachmann will be ridiculed like GW was? Guess what, she’s a Republican, she’s going to be skewered by the MSM and their lackeys, that’s just the way it is, progressives own the media from Hollywood to New York, get over it. Remember a few short months ago when Bachmann was the darling of the Tea Party and the media was showing her in the capacity? She can lead and inspire, don’t let the MSM fool you, she has the Conservative bona fides and she has my support. She deserves yours as well.

  • Douglas Erley

    Just heard Paul talk about the disproportional number of minorities in prison. Thought he was channeling Sharpton.

  • Douglas Erley

    when we need her.

  • circlegranch

    Tea party, we hardly knew ye.

    Nikki Haley summed things up quite astutely on Meet the Press yesterday:

    “This is not just about picking a conservative candidate.” Indeed.

  • trickamsterdam

    only a week ago that Bachmann and Santorum were finished…and Perry had only an outside chance? Now it’s “are we going to do this/crazy” and we’re all supposed to remember they’re alive?

    People had better realize that if Romney wins this (or even if Paul wins, and Romney comes in a close second) by default (that is, he wins because of a divided conservative vote) Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum will all be gone and Newt will be severely weakened.

    I like a lot about Ron Paul, but he clearly can’t win the nomination. Neither can Huntsman, after mocking the conservative base, on evolution and global warming. They won’t forgive him this election cycle (or probably any cycle).

    So if Romney wins in (or comes in second to Paul) he’s probably going to ride that momentum into NH, and then buy the election in FL, win Michigan and NV, and that’s the end of that.

    If you see no difference between Newt and Romney, then fine. If you do than it’s insane not to rally around Newt.

    Or you will get Romney.

  • redpenny

    it would be for Bachmann.I believe she says what she means and means what she says.I have no doubt that she is actually as conservative as she comes across.She would bring dignity, grace and order to the Oval Office—-the current occupant has none of these virtures!!!The Repub Rinos and the party establishment is hell bent on choosing our nominee—–yeah look what that’s gotten us in the past.As for electability——my Brittany Spaniel could whup Buckwheat.From the conservative deep South—–Merry Christmas to alll.

  • bzip

    It’s about time Erick came out with what many of us have been saying but others wish to be in denial of. Both Romney and Newt are the two most progressive liberal candidates. Though I wish Erick would come out and get behind one of the conservative candidates to try and ensure or help to get a conservative nominated.

    If you want to argue about Newt’s mandates take a look at hist history on healthcare mandates, his history of supporting “flex-fuel car mandates”, his support of “carbon cap mandates” Global warming, Newts openly admitted his support of GSE’s in the last debate. The list goes on and on, please wake up before it is too late. We don’t need another big gov’t progressive in the white house.

    Gingrich’s Alzheimer’s on carbon cap mandate
    http://youtu.be/NuPGlkpDqUw

  • bzip

    New PPP poll out for Iowa. Newt is dropping fast and Ron Paul leads:

    Paul leads in Iowa (Dec 18)
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-leads-in-iowa.html

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf

    “Newt Gingrich’s campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now taken the lead in Iowa. He’s at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10% each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson.”

  • jlsankot

    If you are so gullible as to follow the extreme Liberal Des Moines Register’s pick of Romney, you need to move out of the state. You are not wanted. I only take the Register to be aware of the spin they give to all the damage o is doing to our country.

    This is it, folks. We either do it right this time or our future will absolutely be ruined. And I doubt that very many Iowans will survive as they haven’t the faintest idea of how to survive.

    No, I did not vote for o. We didn’t have any choice, but I held my nose and cast my vote for McCain, as did the Liberal DMRegister. Don’t trust that they are any authority on what this country needs. They will lead you down the crooked path just as easily as o has done.

    Reread 2nd paragraph.

  • bzip

    Perry launches new attacks on Newt, a new twist on the Newt attack:

    Perry Launches New Attacks on Gingrich, Romney
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/perry-launches-new-attacks-on-gingrich-romney/

    “Perry accused Gingrich of borrowing money from the Social Security trust fund in order to balance the budget when he was speaker of the House.”

  • timb5274

    Erick, you’re dead on again! I totally concur…….we have Santorum and Bachmann, both solid, legit conservatives who have never strayed, and in an election cycle where anyone who can present a contrast to Obama socialism CAN win, inspite of what the Republican establishment would have us believe, we are thinking about Romney and Newt??!

  • deringer

    He simply won’t win, and it’s a shame.

    People baying at Huntsman for serving under Obama are naturally idiots. By working diligently and quietly mitigating any of the President’s impact in China (within the limits of his office), he has accomplished more than the congresswoman throwing doomed-to-fail gesture bills ever did and has been more constructive than the other candidates impotently screeching ‘marxist’ from the set of Fox News.

    He is a consistent, pragmatic conservative and all the deluded calls of RINO come from people who you just KNOW will either hold their nose or accept the inevitable and go with Romney.

    It may well be that he intends to run for real in 2016 and this is just a shakedown run for a future run. Insert a joke about it being a Mormon tradition to do so here, I suppose.

    Unfortunately for conservatives, the boat will have sailed to a considerable extent by then. By 2016 all parts of Obamacare will be law, The benefits it brings to people, even if costly to the nation, will have built a solid base of support for it, and the healthcare industry and insurance companies will have institutionalised it enough to lobby for its retention. I don’t agree with much of what Bachman says, but this election is the last one we will have to repeal the act and it’s not going to happen.

    We are either on the cusp of running a nominee who will keep the act (I am certain that Romney’s words of ‘certain parts’ will amount to a delicate trimming of the act whilst retaining most of it) or those who will almost certainly not be elected. Fantastic.

  • bzip

    As Erick stated, “understand this and remind them that Perry, Bachmann, Huntsman, and yes, even Rick Santorum are still in the race.”

    Out of those 4 candidates, tell me who has: The governing, experience and the record, who has the “money, resources” to be competitive to go the distance in the primary.

    There is only one answer, Rick Perry if you really want a competitive conservative candidate.

  • deringer

    His foreign policy which is

    1) Stupid. Paul is not just at odds with everyone (EVERYONE) alive on this, but also most presidents in history. The US has been involved in armed conflicts, without Paul’s coveted congressional declaration of war, on a rolling basis since its founding, including an ‘undeclared’ war with the British Empire

    2) Abhorrent. Paul was the sole vote against divestment for US companies in Darfur. The reason for this was GENOCIDE being carried out. Paul’s speech on the house floor effectively said ‘It’s awful, but it ain’t out problem’. I like to think that the Greatest generation, though having entered the war because of Pearl Harbour, wouldn’t have sucked eggs while millions of jews and chinese were butchered had the US not been attacked.

    You also forget his downright stupid monetary policy. I believe the sum total of all Gold ever mined from the earth is $4 Trillion. The US GDP for 2010 is OVER THREE TIMES that. How does this idiot think the entire worth of the United States could ever be returned to a commodity standard? How much economic sense would it make if your next door neighbor, who happens to like her jewellery, becomes an order of magnitude wealthier than you because her gold earrings are now worth a F500 CEO’s take-home? On that note, is there a connection between this policy and his considerable gold investments?

    And lastly there’s his cowardly approach to states’ rights. Not enough of a conservative to fight issues that the courts, the politicians and everyone who takes part in the debate know exists at the federal level? PUNT the issue to the statehouse! No need to flip flop on gay marriage, legalizing pot or any other issues people care about, just shrug and hand it down!

    Paul, incredibly, might get some real air time and consideration after Iowa. I welcome it. I want him to be treated like a real candidate because his complete implosion, on policy alone, will be hilarious.

  • renl57

    …just 4 years after Bush left office?

    A lot of conservatives still admire Bush; but let’s face it, he left office with poor approval ratings.

    Perry with all his TX mannerisms and TX accent and heavy emphasis on oil production would be hard-pressed to explain why he isn’t just George W. Bush 2.0 (whom voters wouldn’t vote for).

  • Crash71234

    When Huntsman was asked what he would bring to the White House, he said a motorcycle. A motorcycle.

    Huntsman is not a serious candidate. He never has been. We need a grown up in the White House.

  • deringer

    Why people don’t like flip-floppers?

    It’s because they’re hard to trust.

    Newt was in favour of a mandate, and a federal mandate at that. He’s changed his position but that may well just be Newt being Newt. I can easily see someone like him, who was once convinced of its merits and indeed held it up as a solution, pussy-footing the issue when elected, and just letting the issue rest. Politicians let people down.

    Newt should also have lost the respect of any decent conservative for his reprehensible comments on the separation of power. A man who would so utterly vandalize the rule of law is not fit for the office of president. Thank goodness his poll numbers are slipping.

  • boonerdan

    Have any of you actually watched the GOP Establishment in action this past year? I bet many of you thought there would be “hope and change” with the 2010 Congressional elections too.

    I bet the Romans never thought their world would disintegrate too.

  • renl57

    I will repeat once again:

    Our primary goal should NOT be to “put a true conservative in the White House.” That would be very nice, but it’s not what’s most important right now.

    Our primary goal should be to get Obama out of the White House. Because all of these GOP candidates–yes, Romney too–would be a great improvement. And another 4 years of New Left stagnation is unacceptable. It will give Obama’s leftists more cause to demand even more authoritarianism: Nationalizing companies that refuse to hire more workers, etc.

    I still think Romney can beat Obama. What you don’t like about him–his appeal to moderate voters–is precisely what can help him clobber Obama in the general election.

    But if you just can’t stomach him, then go with Perry. He’ll at least give Obama a run for his money. Don’t go with Gingrich. He’ll invite more scandal stories and exposes of his private life and ethical conduct than any other candidate. Nominate Gingrich and you won’t have to worry just about an “October surprise”–there will be new “revelations” about his past coming out every single week. His message will get lost as he tries to defend himself, exactly what happened to Herman Cain.

    And under that flood of revelations about his past, Gingrich will lose.

  • annplato

    is what Bachman looked like when she attacked Newt. She is doing herself a disfavor to go against a candidate who has a much higher probability to win than her.

    She had her chance in the limelight and she blew it big time.

  • kervick

    Note the trend line. Daily Paul vs Red State. You keep pimping Conservatives that can’t win. Paul represents a new voter coalition in America.

  • circlegranch

    (FYI: PPP is a liberal progressive polling entity used by SEIU and other progressive organizations. The Des Moines Register is liberal and they habitually pick the losers, a.k.a., the RNC picks.)

    Romney is closing the gap and calling in his markers. There are loads of Washington insiders that Romney donated to in ’10–both newcomers and those that stood for re-election. The thought that Romney didn’t decide to run till his wife pushed him this year is ludicrious. He’s been laying the ground work to be the nominee and what better way to ensure that? Follow the money. His federal PAC and 5 state PAC’s have paid to play the game.

    Sadly, the tea party candidates are falling like flies. Haley got the star billing this weekend, but prior to her there was Jason Chavetz and soon to come is Mark Kirk, new IL Senator that the teaparty worked tirelessly for, to name a few. IA Gov. Terry Bransted was blessed with $20,000 of Romney’s PAC money. It’s a wonder he hasn’t already endorsed and may still right before the Jan 3 vote to seal the deal. If we think all these folks aren’t having private talks with Romney’s campaign and strategic announcements aren’t planned, we are more stupid than they already assume we are. Of course, its not just tea party candidates Romney has bolstered–nobody would accuse recent endorser, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, of being even remotely connected to a liberty organization. Going into NH, Gingrich and Huntsman are claiming momentum but it was Mitt Romney that donated $30,000 to the NH State GOP. Add the $7500 or so he donated to state and local NH candidates, even down to Greenville, NH, City Council candidates and the outcome there is predetermined. In fact, Romney supported 3 state rep races in NH, 20 races in SC and 34 in CA. He supported upwards of 70 U.S. House races, 13 U.S. Senate races and 9 gubernatorial races–including Rick Perry’s–obviously Perry didn’t get the message that he was being paid in advance NOT to run against Romney. Caucus goers in IA, NH and SC may not know or care about any of this now but it’ll be front and center in the general and it’ll be too late to admit buyer’s remorse.

    In Romney’s 1994 run for the Senate he said he favored strong gun laws and claimed he “didn’t line up with the NRA”. When he decided to run for president in ’08 he changed his heart and joined the NRA. While he won’t disclose whether or not he’s a gun owner, he admits to having done a little hunting in his past for ‘small varmits’. Today, the NRA says its not ready yet to endorse a candidate. What are they waiting for? Gun owners in IA, NH and SC: are you awake yet?

    There are two very troubling YouTube videos on Romney: “Understanding Mitt Romney” and “Mitt Romney’s Deception”, If you’re leaning his way you might want to take a look. Nobody is talking now about Romney’s support for gay prom’s in MA high schools, but it’ll come up in the general.

    Yes, this is insanity but more importantly, its a nightmare. It’s a bad dream from which we can’t awake.

    Mitt Romney, if the nominee, will not win. He represents the core of Obama’s reelect plaform. He’s Wall Street; he exemplies the 1%. When he attacked Newt on the Tiffany’s line of credit, the media quietly avoided reports of Mitt’s wife having an affinity for imported saddle horses costing in the 6 figures. The voters in IA and SC aren’t hearing about it, but they will in the general election. While the Evangelicals are warming to the idea of a Mormon president (as well they should–it should be a non issue) the media is at work now creating documentaries on the sorrid past of the church’s leader, Joseph Smith, and they will focus on all the quirky aspects such as polygamy. Republicans stifle the debate now because its not fair and its not relevant. It will be a focus in the general. By then, all of this rethinking of just whom is the most electable will be too late.

    Nobody on our side (whatever that is these days) will talk about the unprecedented destruction of hard drives, refusal to release written documents and the clean sweep made of Romney’s emails in the governor’s office. Not illegal, but questionable in nature and costing MA taxpayers at least $100,000. Nobody on our side will discuss concerns from the Heritage Foundation about Romney’s deals with insurance carriers to get RomneyCare through, but it’ll be front and center in the general. Little attention was given to Jon Gruber, MIT economist and Romney aide that visited the WH 12 times (WH visitor logs were checked) to help them frame ObamaCare. It’s not a priority now, but it will be in the general.

    Nikky Haley did in fact really sum things up well this weekend on Meet the Press when she said this is not about electing a conservative. She’s right. It’s not even close to that.

  • deringer

    Though I find it strange that audiences lap up Newt’s non-engagement in frivolous and uninformative media questioning whereas Huntsmans more playful responses get dour looks. As if asking such a broad question, encompassing literally their entire campaign, policy and agenda, and expecting any kind of meaningful response makes any sense.

    Of course, as I said, I feel his run is more of a warm-up for 2016, which is a shame. The idea he isn’t mature enough for the office is ridiculous; the man was a sound governor, and has direct experience dealing with America’s number 1 foreign concern for this new century.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    And it really doesn’t take much too point out the difference. Perry is for states’ rights and far less central government control; Bush was the exact opposite. Plenty of other differences including but not limited to their views on foreign policy, education, fiscal responsibility, etc. The Perry Posse is willing and capable of fighting this battle come General Election.

  • windwaker24

    Mark Kirk was never a conservative. His endorsement of Romney shouldn’t be a surprise. Kirk is my senator and the only reason he won was because his Democrat opponent was a crook and liar with alleged mob ties and bank failures. If the Dems would have put up a better candidate, they might have won. The election was a nail biter for sure. Very close…

  • circlegranch

    Nobody is going to attack the girl. She can throw any punch she wants and nobody really swings back. The couple times Mitt has attacked, he’s paid for it in the media. He can’t do it, but he can send the girl to do it for him. She’s strategic and laser accurate. Whether Pawlenty, Perry, or now Newt, she’s not just reacting. She has a clear strategy. Notice she never went after Cain? No, she embraced him instead at first debate he was absent from, all because she wanted his supporters. If Perry, Gingrich or Santorum dropped out today, Michelle would be full of false smiles and compliments and try her best to win their supporters. She’s a cagey pol first and foremost. She’s fulfilling an agenda with the promise of debts paid and a nice appointment or even the VP spot if she’s successful. She’s Mitt’s last best hope of gaining traction w/ the tea party but just like what happened to Haley, if Bachmann folds her campaign and supports Romney, she too, will lose credibility with the few surviving true tea party patriots. She likes to brag about bringing 10,000 of us to the Washington Mall. If she steps aside and endorses Romney, that won’t happen again.

    As our leaders that we once respected, donated to and campaigned for begin to line up, one by one behind Romney, its remarkable how quickly the Left was able to achieve success. The president made fun of us for being bitter clingers and bed wetters. The media labeled us very unbecoming names. The goal of the OWS deal was to help deflate influence of the tea party. A year ago I would have never entertained the idea they’d be successful. Today, its happening before our eyes and few seem to care.

  • thosjefferson

    Erick’s still confused on the state’s rights issue. Newt supported a federal mandate (Obamacare) while Mitt supported a state mandate with an opt out. Every one of the Republican candidates would have done the same had he/she been governor of Mass. because of the unique situation in that state (which already had the highest percentage of people with health insurance).

    For that matter, every candidate (except maybe Newt) is a strong supporter of state’s rights.

    Why is this so difficult for Erick to understand and/or accept?

    Only Newt raked in millions as a lobbyist for clients who benefited from Obamacare. Now that the voters realize this, he has no chance.

  • vtdelacy

    Perry has never yet lost an election, was the most popularly elected governor of Texas, having served 3 terms in that state and has a sterling record of conservatism on which to stand in going up against Obama next year. Wake up, America, we need to get behind Rick Perry for President in 2012!

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    And what this country needs is something more serious than a moderate like Romney can offer.

  • circlegranch

    Apparently the tea party got duped again. Kirk ran very much on the right (I attended a couple of his gatherings while visiting in IL and heard him espouse very conservative views).

    It all adds up to the same thing: the tea party has been played and Romney stands to cash in as a result. Yet, conservatives are told we’re unpatriotic if we don’t all line up now behind Romney? Insanity.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    “They both support an individual mandate”. Well that’s not true.

    Gingrich
    “This comprehensive approach?cost, quality, competition, and coverage?can solve the problem of the uninsured with no individual mandate and no employer mandate. Everyone would be able to obtain essential health care and coverage when needed. For those who are too poor to buy health insurance, states will have more flexibility to provide them with the assistance they need to buy it.”

    Romney
    “Our next president must repeal Obamacare and replace it with market-based reforms that empower states and individuals and reduce health care costs. States and private markets, not the federal government, hold the key to improving our health care system.”

    This is what they both support now. Both Haley and The Register now support Romney and specifically talked about health care as an issue.

    Personally, I haven’t chosen a candidate to support yet. But it would be nice if we could have an honest debate based on the stated positions of the candidates.

  • dajeeps

    Except for two brief periods in the 20th century, the1920s and 1980s, its gone for leaders who were various degrees of fiscal liberal and big government types. Its the trend, one that won’t be easily bucked.

    Then again, we should take a look at the kinds of things we’ve been lining up behind, like a BBA, that puts on display where we’re going, or for a better term, where we’re being lead. If the bottom line spending on budget is all that matters enough to put into the constitution, then it really shouldn’t matter which one of the candidates wins the primary. Government can do anything it wants no matter who is in charge (even Democrats) unless it goes over budget – principle and original meaning of the commerce clause doesn’t matter enough. They are just things we wave around in rhetoric, but don’t really mean, at least not as serious long term goals that expressly define who we are going to be as a nation. When we leave the basis of government as ill defined as the outrageous interpretations of the commerce clause do, going through the kinds of fights like we have over ObamaCare and out of control spending are exactly what we get – and who knows what the next thing will be.

    It was nice to dream that perhaps this time we would get somewhere that leads to more personal and economic freedom, and more prosperity, but I don’t think this time, not with this election. Not enough of us have been hurt bad enough yet to really get it.

  • papabear

    Looks like they are fishing through the entire barrel to find the WORST candidate.

    Yep.

    Luap Nor.

    I’m supposed to be respectful, so I guess I can’t call him a race baiting, anti-Semitic, vile, piece of rat excrement.

    IOWA!!!
    SERIOUSLY???

  • APA Guy

    He has the money…the belief system…and a very good talent for campaining.

    But I’ll be honest here: Perry in three debates against Obama – with liberal moderators who want to see Perry lose – scares the crap out of me. He has bumbled about every other debate appearance against really only one supremely skilled debater (Gingrich). What will happen when he is the sole focus of Obama’s attack?

    Yeah, yeah..I heard Rush railing on about how debates aren’t that important…WHATEVER, Rush…tell that to Nixon in ’60, Ford in ’76, Carter in ’80, and Bush Sr. in ’92. Debates in a close election can sway the uninformed voting public dramatically…and this one will be close one way or another unless we dip back into recession.

  • APA Guy

    He has the money…the belief system…and a very good talent for campaining.

    But I’ll be honest here: Perry in three debates against Obama – with liberal moderators who want to see Perry lose – scares the crap out of me. He has bumbled about every other debate appearance against really only one supremely skilled debater (Gingrich). What will happen when he is the sole focus of Obama’s attack?

    Yeah, yeah..I heard Rush railing on about how debates aren’t that important…WHATEVER, Rush…tell that to Nixon in ’60, Ford in ’76, Carter in ’80, and Bush Sr. in ’92. Debates in a close election can sway the uninformed voting public dramatically…and this one will be close one way or another unless we dip back into recession.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    For reasons which will shortly become clear.

    But… no. Bye!

  • jimmyg

    You do not know if Bachmann has been made any promises by Romney as to payment of debts, appointments, or the vp spot. You just made it up.

  • windwaker24

    I didn’t pay close attention to the primaries, so I don’t know what he said then. I voted for John Arrington in the Senate primaries (he was my old gym teacher in high school :) ) Kirk was the establishment pick and he had the backing and money to win in the primary. Once it was over, Kirk moved to the center and sometimes it was hard to distinguish him from Alexi G., the DEM. Kirk is the Romney of Illinois. Look at his record.

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    Mitt calls himself a progressive and says he doesn’t like being in really conservative states on camera, so he has no one but himself to blame when Conservatives don’t trust him.

  • bzip

    Perry has the biggest contrast out of all the candidates to go againts Obama.

    Who else in the race can make the arguments that Perry can make: From less regulations to more job growth. This is yet another example of why the other candidates (Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman) are less competitive. Just what has been Bachmann’s, Santorum, Huntsman’s accomplishments?

    A prime example;

    In Case You Missed It: Texas Dominates List of Best-Performing Cities
    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/16802/

    ..”Texas dominated the Milken Institute’s annual index of Best-Performing Cities, taking four of the top five positions and nine of the top 25, thanks to the state’s healthy economy and robust job creation climate.”…

  • texanlady

    Don’t underestimate the number of dems that are going to show up in the Iowa Caucus and vote for Paul. If he wins Iowa, they will become emboldened to do it elsewhere. I am waiting for another poll to confirm Gingrich’s fall. Negative advertising is working for Paul and Romney.

  • bzip

    Oh I don’t doubt that PPP is liberal based. In addition you have to take into account that polling in Iowa isn’t that accurate because of the caucus.

    But I think the general take home message is: Newt is starting to implode (that has been seen in other recent polls too). That unless things change both Romney and Ron Paul have the ground game to make the top 3 list. Newt doesn’t have the ground game and is imploding now. That leaves us with: Perry, Bachmann, Santorum (forget Huntsman in Iowa, he isn’t even trying).

    I still come back to: who out of Perry, Bachmann, Santorum has the money to be competitive and who has the best record of accomplishments to contrast with Obama – there is only one person: Rick Perry.

    So if any Tea Party “groups” or the family group from Iowa want to throw there support behind: Bachmann or Santorum what will happen is neither one of them will make it passed Jan since they “don’t” have the resources to be competitive and that will throw Rick Perry a big blow to compete against Romney so in the end – Romney will win unless people wake up and stop the insanity.

  • sunshinek67

    recall efforts to oust the pro gay marriage Iowa Supreme Court judges. Some of the Family Leader members are endorsing someone else if he goes with Newt. The board is meeting again today to try and reach an agreement.

  • tngal

    Here’s a story from DesMoines Register. Following Perry on the trail in Iowa. He was speaking to a group and a young woman questioned him on fracking and pollution.

    first graph.
    __________________
    “A Luther College student was cut off in mid question by Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who told her that pollution from hydraulic fracturing does not exist and that it was made up as a fear tactic from liberals, a statement that received groans from some people in the audience.”
    _______________________

    Now, to me, this isn’t so much about about whether Perry is right or wrong on the issue of fracking. Rather I was struck by the headline and the first line in the story whereby a questioner is “cut-off in mid question” .

    Cut off the media in mid question if you must cut off someone, but always listen respectfully to potential voters. Cutting them off displays arrogance.

    They also mention it again at the end of the story. “Perry quickly moved onto another question after cutting her off.”

    There were several ways he could have handled this question and any of them would have been better than what he chose.

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/18/rick-perry-cuts-off-pollution-question-says-americans-are-hoodwinked/

  • APA Guy

    Isn’t the thought of Perry debating Obama scary enough? And I’ll take him over Palin every day of the week…at least he finished a full term as governor.

  • acat

    And his vote *against* the McConnell backstab of the House plan is just one more reason.

    Yes, he’s not a social conservative, but .. look, we’re still in Illinois. Not happening. Kirk can run on fiscal and defense issues here, and have a long, successful career.

    Mew

  • bzip

    Could you Bachmann (and for that matter) and Santorum supporters please make a case for your candidates with accomplishments?

    Do I think Bachmann and Santorum or conservative – Yes. What record, accomplishments do they have and how can they contrast it compared to Rick Perry?

    I list a few examples of Rick Perry’s accomplishments and please make your case for Bachmann and/or Santorum:

    In Case You Missed It: Texas Dominates List of Best-Performing Cities
    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/16802/

    1)Strongest voice on Abortion:
    Passed the sonogram bill and defunded planned parenthood in Texas. Due to legislation Perry pushed for and passed 13 abortion clinics in Texas have been shut down and more will follow.

    2)Gun Rights:
    Having the stance that there should be no laws restricting the right to bear arms. Perry signed into law Castle Law and further amended legislation to include the law extend to our vehicles and further be allowed to carry concealed without a permit while traveling with the clear and simple definition of traveling to include going to and from your home to our car and any destination thereafter.

    Perry is a CCL holder and below YouTube Video clip with response from Perry on gun control is all any conservative needs to know on how he will deal with gun control. It should be very clear by anyone and everyone what a pro10th amendment rights guy Perry is, you surely can’t dispute that.
    http://youtu.be/OenAw39A0b8

    3)Taxes
    Perry has signed legislation totally 14 billion in tax cuts; among them a veto on the internet sales tax, and bills signed cutting property and franchise business taxes.

    4)Government size:
    Perry has signed into law protection against eminent domain and when alerted to the threat of land grabs from the TTC, so scuttled the program and bound by law under scorched earth mandate that the TTC shall never rise again under an name and earned him the endorsement of the highest ranking conservative in Texas, Wayne Christian

    http://texasgopvote.com/2012-presidential-election/most-conservative-state-representative-texas-endorses-rick-perry-president-expla-003248

    5)Perry has also signed into law several bills protecting Texas against EPA over-regulation and is the worst enemy of the EPA
    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perry-vs-ep-epic-illuminating-clash/

    6) Don?t forget Perry pushed for lawsuit reform and got it ? he signed into law comprehensive reforms that have made Texas a leader in the fight against lawsuit abuse. These reforms include a recent loser pay law that will cut down on frivolous lawsuits. His medical liability reforms have increased the number of physicians practicing in the state by the thousands, improving patient access to medical specialists.

    7) Protected the ?Rainy Day Fund,? which set aside at least $6 billion for future needs and a lot of people were wanting to spend that money but he would not touch it. And Perry is the only governor since World War II to reduce state general revenue spending. Perry also signed a historic property tax cut, and a tax cut for small businesses with less than $1 million in gross receipts.

    8)ID required when voting. The law, scheduled to take effect Jan. 1, bars anyone without a valid state or federal photo ID from voting.

    9) Signed a bill that prevents driver?s licenses for illegals. Additionally, he vetoed a bill that would have allowed the use of a matricula consular, which is an ID card used by the Mexican government, to get a driver?s license in Texas.

  • geoph

    Regardless of who coined the phrase, it appears true.

    The TEA Party, or the Conservative coalition that it became in 2010, disengaged. We had the message and momentum to fix things. The Tea Partiers never wielded as much power as we did in the lame duck Congress.

    Refusing to maintain our advantage we went back to work and stopped caring what DC did. We didn’t care when the Senate wouldn’t make Obama veto the repeal of ObamaCare. We didn’t care when budgets were ignored in the Senate. We didn’t care when our debt, deficit and credit increased. The list goes on and on and on!

    To make a longer story shorter, we quit, and every would be athlete knows winners never quit, and quitters NEVER win.
    Any politician worth their salt could see our lack of commitment.
    How else can we explain the slim pickings we got to run?

  • acat

    I’m surprised, tngal, that you see it this way.

    Look, Vladimir (a.k.a. Steve Maley) has done a long, difficult job of reporting on fracking – Go find and read it and then tell me again why not calling a lie a lie is not good policy.

    Mew

  • bzip

    See above: Make your case for Bachmann based on accomplishments and how she can contrast herself against Rick Perry?

  • katem

    It was only a question of when, not if, Newt Gingrich’s campaign would implode. Like Cain, Newt appears to have gotten into the race to sell books. When he became the frontrunner a month ago, he didn’t transition and begin to campaign in earnest in the early voting states. Now, under a barrage of negative ads, Gingrich’s poll numbers are dropping in Iowa, leaving Romney in a good position while the other candidates vie for the conservative vote in Iowa.

    Romney is rolling out endorsements almost daily and consolidating Republican support. Unless conservatives unite behind a plausible candidate (one who can be elected), Romney will be on his way to an early victory lap.

    Among the other candidates, Huntsman is the only major league player. He is a conservative who has the credentials and experience to compete with Romney and Obama. The others are little leaguers because of their inexperience, unpreparedness for the campaign and the presidency, lack of appeal to Independents (who will decide the election) or some combination thereof. Perry and Bachmann have already risen and fallen.

    Insanity is conservatives rejecting Huntsman because of his position on global warming (which will not be an immediate, critical issue for ANY president given the economic challenges and, in any event, helps Huntsman with Independents) or his service as ambassador to China under Obama. Huntsman served his country overseas in a nonpartisan position. Obama should have a harder time running a negative campaign against someone he appointed to an important post than he would against Romney.

    Huntsman has a conservative record in Utah and a conservative economic, jobs and tax plan. He’s also advocating a reform agenda. Huntsman alone brings real foreign policy experience. Romney can’t explain how he will pay for his ambitious, Cold War-style defense buildup. After 10 years of war, Huntsman is in sync with conservatives and other voters who want a smarter, more strategic foreign policy that takes into account the impact of our $15 trillion deficit. Huntsman is not an isolationist like Ron Paul.
    I believe Huntsman combines the conservatism and optimism of Reagan and the diplomatic skills of George H.W. Bush.

    It’s time to get real. If Huntsman’s poll numbers rise, he will be the effective “non-Romney” (and “non-Newt”, if Newt is still a factor in a week or two) and it is highly unlikely that he will fall back to earth as the others have. If Huntsman shows momentum and increasing poll numbers, he will probably pull some of the GOP “establishment” support from Romney. Huntsman should be able to combine the support of the conservative base and the establishment. A win-win. Conservatives would be better off with Huntsman than Romney — Huntsman would be far better than 4 more years of Obama or 4 to 8 years of Romney.

  • edintexas

    What part of Huntsman’s campaign are you? For you surely are a ringer. But even a ringer can hit a nail once in a while. You are correct about the non-debate “debates”, Not about Huntsman’s answers, but the reaction to Newt – who also is no Conservative.

  • jaykali

    Bc I know the conservative position is that at the time we should have said ‘lets just vote against it and see what happens!’ but I mean dont you think by the time we got to needing TARP things were so bad that we were out of options and at risk of banks failing? To me the problem was their policies towards Fannie and Freddie that the govt should have gotten a handle on but I mean they were trying to prevent a world-wide catastrophe.

    Now you might say Paulson was overstating his case and they scared politicians into a bad vote but I just think it’s shortsided to say it was some automatic easy vote. It must be nice to be Bachman or somebody who’s vote is one in 400+ and knows their vote wont count anyway.

    I personally see a big difference in the TARP deal and the auto bailouts which didnt prevent bankruptcy anyway and were just union bailouts. The problem with TARP is that they didnt have more controls over it (surprise surprise) and so the funds became another Obama slush fund I guess. Is that why people are against TARP? Bc to me bailing out the banks was a necessity once the crisis reached critical mass.

  • sunshinek67

    through outside sources I would question everything you read negative about ANY of the conservative GOP candidates. I’ve been following embed reporters on Twitter, one is Rebecca Kaplan of CBS. She made no mention of a Perry interruption. She did mention the fracking Q though. I’ve seen firsthand some of her distortions, convenient important information left out, ie Perry’s 5T budget reduction “fm 3.7T”, however she failed to mention it was over a span of 7 years. Big difference. Liberal biased media is going to distort ANY candidate we send up, will make up more fictitious stories to fit their own self fulfilling agenda, ie the rock.

  • geoph

    Amazing how an unemployment rate of, I’ll use government manipulated numbers, +9% can’t make people hurt enough for real reform.
    Guess that happens when unemployment benefits are extended to cover folks for 5 weeks shy of 2 years.

    What a sick society we are that will prey upon children with a clean conscience, just to continue to please ourselves.

  • aggie91

    Perry’s hispanic voter numbers are off the chart compared to other GOP candidates. Not only will he win the gnereal it would be Reagan blowout. Unelectable meme are rediculous at this time in the race. Not one vote has been cast, so not one voter has decided if he is electable or not.

    All the Perry supporters need to back away from the cliffside and grab a good seat. The ride may be a little bumpy but the maestro would have it no other way. Patience will save you considerable angst.

  • aggie91

    Perry’s hispanic voter numbers are off the chart compared to other GOP candidates. Not only will he win the gnereal it would be Reagan blowout. Unelectable meme are rediculous at this time in the race. Not one vote has been cast, so not one voter has decided if he is electable or not.

    All the Perry supporters need to back away from the cliffside and grab a good seat. The ride may be a little bumpy but the maestro would have it no other way. Patience will save you considerable angst.

  • windwaker24

    but it never should have been close as it was. Practically everyday, the media was catching Kirk in some kind of flip-flop or record “embellishment” that he would have to clarify or apologize for. The Illinois GOP could have done better than Kirk, in my opinion.

  • tngal

    I don’t know enough about fracking to form an opinion. As I stated, its not about the question. She could have asked about his preference for blue over red silk sheets for all I care. The point is he shouldn’t have cut her off.

    Just smile, listen, nod, act like you understand the questioner’s concern, and then come back with your answer nicely. Something akin to “Well, I have to disagree because…blah blah”. Cutting off a voter who has a question is dismissing not just the question but the voter as well.

    And several people “groaned” when he cut her off and started in with his answer. So apparently the topic is a big deal for more than one audience member. The full article indicates Perry got a little touchy about the subject. Fine, whatever. I guess he has so much support in Iowa he can afford to slough off a few.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …all the proof that I leveled @ Wonkish1 and JSobieski.

    But if you keep this up, I’ll rehab it.

    Newt even ADMITTED he favored the Individual Mandate on multiple occasions, even if it’s masked as forced-posting of a bond.

    Please, cease and desist!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …when he overstepped his anti-Court posture and suggested the POTUS could avoid an action of the SCOTUS.

  • sunshinek67

    about the fracking question:

    “In the first exchange, Perry found himself debating a college student over whether hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” — a method for natural gas extraction — pollutes surrounding groundwater.

    The Texas governor had just fielded a question about construction of the Keystone XL pipeline project that gave him an opening to advocate support for the pipeline and further exploration of domestic energy resources. The next question came from 22-year-old Carrie Kauffamn, a student from nearby Luther College, who asserted that it had been proven the solution used in fracking pollutes groundwater.

    “No ma’am,” Perry said. When Kauffman insisted, Perry cut her off, replying, “We can have this conversation, but you cannot show me one place where there is a proven – not one – where there is a proven pollution of groundwater by hydraulic fracturing.”"

    In the same audience was a 14 year old girl that asked Perry why he was opposed to gay’s serving openly in the military. She, a bisexual teen who attended with her dad, is offended by Perry’s DADT theories.

    Anyone want to take a guess that Paul has sent his surrogates to infiltrate Perry’s townhalls? Haha, got to love democracy and free speech!

  • paco12348

    I remember when the American people could TRUST what they heard in the news andby reading articles written by people they had learned to trust they were fairly well informed. Now, the news media has failed, articles in magazines and on the net are all suspect. The American people can only trust the actual words and deeds coming from the candidates they tend to like. That means research.
    How many millions of people, and I was once one of them, worked and took care of a one parent family. No internet and if there had been, no time to research.
    The millions out there with internet are still reading articles written by pundits with slanted views. Romney has been pushed from the beginning by the GOP. Who trusts the GOP? They gave us McCain. Romney is a good man but we must research.
    Newt is a good man and being vilified. Look at his record.
    The same goes for each and every one of the candidates.
    Close your ears to the news media. They all lie. If you read the articles then research what they say.
    In the America we live in today we can only trust what we see and what we research. No one is out there working to inform the American people. It’s up to us to take America back and we do that with our own informed vote.

  • icesweeper

    Unless you have video of the Perry/Luther student exchange, I would NOT take it as fact that Perry handled the situation as described. The Register is a NYT wannabe. I would not trust them on anything other than sports scores.

    I did like Newt’s response to them endorsing Romney….. Good, they are a liberal rag, the conservative Union Leader picked me, so there…. (paraprhased heavily)

  • hls87

    did a debate affect the trajectory of the presidential race. Nixon was locked in a close race with Kennedy both before and after the debates. Ford was catching up to Carter before the debate where he committed his Poland gaffe. He was still catching up after. Reagan wasn’t particularly impressive in debate against Carter. He was, in fact, incoherent at times. He was likable and that was enough. America wanted to fire Carter and so it did in spite of the incumbent’s widely-praised debate performances. GHWB wasn’t going to win a three-way race. Debates had nothing to do with it.

    Debates are performance art for politics junkies. They can be fun, but they don’t win or lose elections or nominations, as Newt Gingrich is about to find out.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    I will go on the basis of positions which candidates have currently articulated, put to print and promised to follow. They are right there above for your eyes to see.

    I am done with all the past-is-prologue-explain-comprehensive-policy-in-a-three-prargraph-post crap. The fact is neither supports a comprehensive federal individual mandate now. The only one still preaching that is Obama.

    So don’t bother. I can actually discern for myself from the reams of policy positions I have read what the candidates support.

  • gator_hoo

    in AGW, because he believes in “science.” Somebody get Peer Venckman!

  • edintexas

    By your reference to the “…’undeclared war’ with the British Empire.”, I guess are referring to the Revolution. Because a Congressional Declaration of War could not occur until after the states ratified the Constitution, the Revolutionary War could not have been a Declared War. Our first and last war with Britain as the United States was indeed a declared war.

    As to handing issues down to the states, that is supposed to be the way it is to work. Just because we have ignored the 9th and 10th Amendments for nearly 100 years doesn’t mean they should no longer be valid.

    I really dislike it when someone forces me to defend Paul, but some of his less extreme Libertarian positions are easily defensible by Conservatives.

  • mattwaters

    I agree with my fellow Paulites, that insanity is ignoring the one and only guy who is discussing America’s #1 REAL crisis: the $60-$100 Trillion debt.

    Folks, if we don’t get this right, July 4th is over forever.

    And for those who are dreaming up Iran scenarios, “but…If…Maybe…” insane. For those of you who are dreaming up “prostitution…drugs…earmarks” attacks on Paul, insane. For those who are more passionate about defending Israel than defending the cute little state of Massachusetts, insane. (Unfortunately MA is still in the Union, and don’t blame me, we down here in Alabama tried to deal with the blue states.)

    Insanity is voting for Gingrich-Romney over Paul. That’s why Paul may run independent, because the Party and it’s people and it’s pundits are insane.

    Paul is the only guy in the room who has any sense.

  • sunshinek67

    “Paul is the only guy in the room who has any sense.”…..and he wants to legalize my pot” There, fixed it for ya

  • gpclaw

    In the same audience was a 14 year old girl that asked Perry why he was opposed to gay?s serving openly in the military. She, a bisexual teen who attended with her dad, is offended by Perry?s DADT theories.

    Only 14, and already identifies herself as bi-sexual? I’m lost for words.

  • dajeeps

    It’s true unemployment hovering in the 9-10% range should sink in, but we have the other 90% that haven’t had their lives turned completely upside down. Things may be tough for them, and I’m not discounting that; it’s just that actual job loss, not being able to find another, and losing everything puts the true fear of God into those who actually go through it.

    I find the general message coming from the conservative movement to be incoherent with learning a lesson from all that we’ve been through over the last few years. I cannot explain why trying to limit the budget when all the housing problems and jacking of the capital reserve ratios were off budget, or doing that and expecting the next congress or the one after that to keep the regulatory apparatus in check, and fighting each individual battle over each agency makes sense. There may be some benefit from these they are trying to preserve, but we have gotten just about all of the negative effects in one big whammy. I cannot see how it does not negate anything beneficial or how it leaves the country in better shape for posterity while we try to have our cake and eat it too.

  • retire05

    and they were attempting to make Perry look bad by reporting he “cut off” a (to quote you) potential voter?

    Ummmm, didn’t the DMR just endorse Mitt Romney? So you were struck by a headline from a newspaper that has endorsed another candidate? Will you be equally surprised when the New York Times runs a negative headline against the chosen GOP nominee in the general election?

    And if Perry did cut off a question on fracking, which no, no longer pollutes ground water with the new methods, I can’t seem to remember when you were complaining about how Herman Cain cut off a reporter in Miami when the reporter asked Cain about the “wet foot, dry foot” policy of the U.S., something very important to Miami voters who are Cuban. Oh, I guess it is different when Cain cuts off a reporter from Miami who was going to do a story read by Miami voters, right?

    Tell us, tngal, now that Cain has self imploded, have you jumped on the Newt trail because that seems to be the process; from Palin, to Cain, to Newt.

  • Dave_A

    Is mindless liberal college students and old retread hippies…

    He has no appeal to actual conservatives, because he isn’t one…

    You can’t win elections based solely on the woodstock generation and a demographic (kids) who mostly don’t bother to vote…

    Not to mention, his desire to see the US become the world’s largest non-judgmental, international-criminal coddling pariah state – a giant version of the Caymans – is reprehensible…

  • deringer

    Please. If I was a campaign shill why on earth would I have made it clear I think Huntsman won’t win, and that he’s just taking people’s campaign donations to prep for 2016?

    Or maybe, perhaps, it’s all part of our plan. A few artificial flaws and no one will suspect?

    Maybe not, take off the tinfoil hat friend.

    It’s Deringer, not De Ringer.

  • gator_hoo

    In a debate against Obama – Perry is likely to be better than Romney or Newt. No, I’m not insane, he’s not a better debater than either, but against Obama he is likely to be better.

    Romney likely won’t attack Obama at all. If he does, it won’t be on Obamacare, because Obama can hit back with Romneycare. It won’t be against big government spending, because of his support for TARP.

    Gingringch is likely to attack Obama – but not on the inividual mandate, because he supported that. And not on the housing crisis – because he worked for Freddie Mac. He also suppored TARP, so he also can’t attack government spending either. AGW? Nope.

    Perry can, and will, attack all of those. Anyone who knows anything about Perry knows that he fights against Washington intervention as Texas Governor. And he has has gotten better at debating, it is clear by now that the majority of his bad performance in the second hour of the early debates (Go back and watch them, he generally gave strong first hour performances) was related to his back surgery, as well as having less time ro prepare, not only because of the late entry, but also because of the Texas wildfires.

    I frankly think it is silly that a candidate who has a record as effective and conservative as Perry’s has to convince people he can debate. At best, we get a benefit for 3 nights, and lose out for 4 years. But even on those 3 nights, Perry may be the best choice we have.

  • Bill S

    Don’t post here. You are not welcome.

  • Dave_A

    And you, Mr Neoconfederate, are the picture-perfect example of a Paul fanboi…

    First off, ‘you, down in Alabama’ committed treason against the Constitution to preserve a quasi-aristocratic oligarchy, and in the process created the most oppressive, anti-freedom government ever to rule any part of today’s United States. Yes, the CSA was WORSE than King George, and even worse than the most ‘blue’ of states is today…. And that’s based on the CSA’s treatment of it’s white citizens, without even considering the slavery issue…

    While Paul and his ilk make the perverted argument that the 1860 Rebellion was somehow a defense of liberty, this does not in any way stand up to historical facts.

    As for the rest of your rant, the national debt is nowhere near ’60-100 trillion’.

    Becoming a haven for criminals & abandoning our allies to support and trade with of every thug regime on the planet (because if we’re the only ones who will trade with them, then they are the only customers we’d have) is NOT a path to riches or peace….

    But that’s what Ron wants us to do….

    As for Israel, we’re no more ‘passionate’ about defending them then we are the UK, Australia, Canada, South Korea, or any of our other TIer-1 allies… The difference is that Israel is under constant attack & thus more in need of the alliance than the others….

    And then we get to Ron’s disastrous monetary policy – a policy that would bankrupt 98% of Americans and 100% of American businesses, by causing the money supply to contract, and prices of both labor & real assets to fall…. No one would be able to pay their debts, because no one would be able to make enough money, because there wouldn’t be enough money in circulation…

    Yes, hermits & conspiracy freaks with cash in cigar boxes would do OK – until they spent their hoards & found out there wasn’t enough money on the market for them to replenish their stashes with…

    There is simply no upside to Paul.

  • retire05

    Have you ever been a precinct chair for one of his earlier campaigns? Was he ever your representative? Have you ever worked with him on issues, say his veterans council? Matter of fact, have you ever even met the guy for longer than two minutes? Because I have, and I wouldn’t vote Paul for dog catcher now.

    Why is it that I find most Paul supporters have never even met the guy or know how rude he can be. Why do you never look at his dishonest practice of getting pork for his district (and please, don’t give me that bunk about getting taxpayer money back, it should not be taken in the first place) and ignore his history of anti-semitism, his racist rants in the Ron Paul Investment Letters and his claim that Muslims hate us because we have troops in Kuwait and Saudi (Paul needs to be tied to a chair in Allen West’s office while West gives him a history lesson on the advance of the Muslim hordes all across Europe in the 1600′s and on Charles Martel).

    Now Paul is worried about the primary dragging on too long but thinks he is up to four years? His decision to retire after this term is a wise one. Running for POTUS makes him just another vanity candidate.

  • deringer

    Of course I’m not referring to the US revolution. The Federal constitution, and its rules on declarations of war, did not exist during the revolution. And let’s not even get into the ins and outs of revolution as an act of war or insurrection under international legal theory.

    I’m talking about the war of 1812, which was undeclared for a good deal of time prior.

    Just in case you think that’s a fluke, have a look at this :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

    I can count on one hand the number of armed conflicts, conflicts that Dr Paul’s rose-tinted view of US history believes requires a declaration of war, that actually were declared. The rest, including invasions commanded by our founding fathers, were all undeclared. History is exciting.

    As for states rights, I’m all for them. But an issue is a federal one or it isn’t. If it is, the federal government has an obligation, to either deal with the issue, or more preferably to create a framework to manage it.

    Gay Marriage IS a federal issue. If one state recognizes it, other states have to interact with it. That kind of inter-state issue is squarely a matter for the federal government.

    Legalizing drugs, in so far as it is connected to police funding and various other grants, IS a federal issue. That’s unfortunate, and I’d rather congress got out of it, but so long as the money is vested, there is an obligation for the federal government to be interested. The solution is to dismantle the DEA, and that’s one thing I suppose I could agree with Paul on.

    I could go on and on. Another poster has made a fairly decent effort at Paul’s ludicrous position on Abortion. If you are pro-life you believe that the fetus has personal rights, and protection of personal rights is a pervasive concern; federal amendment to recognize it is the correct solution, not punting it to states.

    Anyway, some food for thought. Also, for the record, Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he is a confederal (in the old, antebellum sense). He only clings to libertarian principles till he arrives at his destination,a nd is in no way a philosophical libertarian like Nozick or Hayek.

  • circlegranch

    What’s going on w/ Romney’s mad dash to the nomination, aided and abetted by a host of psuedo-conservatives isn’t my point. Romney is just as flawed as any other in this race but is given cover. It will not stay dormant. His negatives will come back to haunt all of us. But, at least you all got something new to chat about………

  • sunshinek67

    report. You know, the same EPA that Governor Perry has been fighting off in Texas for years, and the one he wants to dismantle and rebuild in his Administration.

    If it weren’t for Perry’s pro-business pro-drilling policies, I would not be where I am today.

  • sunshinek67

    And I believe he uses people to get His message out. ;)

  • hls87

    The Gingrich bubble has popped, He won’t be a factor. Ron Paul won’t win Iowa or any other primary or caucus. He won’t be a factor. Romney is still topped out in the 20′s. He isn’t nearly popular enough to win a nomination, even in a fractured field, and the field won’t be fractured much longer.

    The Republican Party is shopping for a plausible candidate to Romney’s left. Gingrich isn’t a plausible candidate because he’s a has been who never won a state-wide election and spent the last 13 years peddling influence in Washington. (Gingrich also isn’t to Romney’s right) Bachmann isn’t a plausible candidate because she has never been any kind of political heavy hitter. You can’t get presidential stature serving in the House, not even in leadership and she’s a back bencher. Santorum isn’t a plausible candidate because PA voters retired him by an 18 point margin in a race against an apparently brain-damaged opponent.

    But there is a plausible candidate to Romney’s right — Rick Perry. He’s the thrice elected governor of the biggest red state. That makes him plausible, per se. He is clearly to Romney’s right and consistently so. He’s the only candidate who meets the GOP’s requirements.

    Some of us are nervous about Perry’s political skills. Some of us have esthetic objections to his accent and the way he presents himself. All that is trivial. There is simply no realistic alternative. It’s easy to predict what people will do when they have no choice.

    Perry will win Iowa as conservatives and particularly evangelicals rally around him. Romney will finish third and go on to win NH by a disappointing margin. Both Huntsman and Perry will greatly exceed expectations in NH, further damaging Romney. Perry will win SC. Florida will be a tough three-way battle (Romney, Huntsman and Perry). Whatever happens there, Perry will be in the cat bird’s seat from then on.

    I’m guessing Perry will surprise most and infuriate many by selecting his good friend Jon Huntsman as his running mate.

  • Dave_A

    First off, plenty of folks on the right completely miss the ‘problem’ TARP was created to address, because they live in a fantasy world where inflation is the only bad thing that can happen with money.

    Specifically, the ‘all debt is evil, 1% inflation is a travesty’ crowd doesn’t understand the threat of deflation, or how a massive domino-default chain reaction can cause it.

    This group was essentially rooting for us to cause ‘Great Depression II’, using the exact same rationale that the FED used to cause the first one – namely that ‘letting nature run it’s course’ would produce a stronger economy. It cratered the economy the first time (not by ‘printing too much money’ as the inflation-hawks suggest, but actually by NOT ‘printing’ enough), and likely would have again…..

    The other source of opposition to TARP is the populist masses – economic ignoramuses who are simply mad because the banks were ‘bailed out’ but Obama never paid off their mortgage…. Pure jealousy & class-envy, and absolutely no knowledge of how a ‘NO TARP’ world would have wrecked their lives too…

    TARP used market mechanisms (sale of non-voting preferred stock) to stabilize the financial sector, and so far the government has been repaid by all of the ‘too big to fail’ banks… It was a complete success at preventing a deflationary spiral, and was done without the government actually obtaining any ownership or control of any private firm. Oh, and generally, the big banks – unlike the auto firms – are on a path to a sustainable future…

    Ronald Reagan himself used a nearly identical program to deal with the S&L situation – with similar success.

    TO CONTRAST

    The Auto Bailouts were really bailouts for the UAW. They screwed over creditors to protect the union, resulted in the government gaining ownership of 2 major private firms, and worst of all, did NOTHING to change the fact that both GM and Chrysler are ‘Zombie Firms’ – walking-dead 1950s-style vertically-integrated manufacturing operations with ZERO chance of future survival.

    TARP was just a resurection of a Reagan-era solution to the problem of wobbly banks…

    The Auto bailout was a political sop to the UAW that fixed nothing, other than punting the ball down the road WRT the eventual bankruptcy of most old-line manufacturing firms with legacy union benefits…..

  • romansdaughter

    That is all we need is a nut job case who thinks Iran should have nuclear bombs. Besides being totally anti-Israel. I am still praying that Rick Perry will come through. Ron Paul is in a dream world where he thinks if we just isolate ourselves that the rest of the world will just leave us alone. Wishful thinking gets you no where.

  • streiff

    but not a great evolutionary strategy.

  • jasondallastx

    We’re in debt! We can’t afford another war.

    He believes in diplomacy over killing people. When will people learn that is strength not weakness?

  • sunshinek67

    on the morning of September 11, 2001.

  • Bill S

    and the Paulbot insects hatched and are buzzing the screen door.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt

  • irishgirl

    To me it shows he’s not going to get caught in staged questions designed to somehow “gotcha”. Disclaimer: I’ve worked in the oil/gas industry for 30 years so I’m pretty frackin’ weary of the fracking questions.

  • jasondallastx

    really made the world a better place.

  • Bill S

    You a Paul supporter? (as if I couldn’t tell)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You’ll fit right in with the delusional fools there.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So while I supported TARP in theory, TARP in practice does include the UAW bailouts.

  • acat

    The college students are home and they’re bored …

    Mew

  • texabama

    I’m not so sure he is. Newt, like our current occupant of the White House, spends a lot of time reminding us of how smart he is. Why? I don’t want the smartest guy in the room. I want the guy with ethics and principles who will do what is right even when it is not convenient to do so. I want the guy who cares about the country and the common man and not about his next book sales. In other words, I don’t want Newt.

  • retire05

    we should have never entered WWII because at the time, we were in debt and could not afford war.

    Nevermind that if we had not entered WWII in the fight against Nazi Germany, the official language in Great Britian would be German.

  • Bill S

    I’ll bet you’re right.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    See the BLS U6 stats. The biggest driver moving unemployment into the 8s is people leaving the workforce. We are at an all time low in workforce participation and it’s continuing to go down. There’s a real possibility that “unemployment” – the U3 rate – could be in the 7s by election time next year, enough people just have to leave the workforce.

  • acat

    there is no advantage to waiting for the end and pointing out the falsehood.

    Treating liberals politely just emboldens them.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It’s getting to be that season. I’m willing to contribute to a new and more powerful “Blam Stick” for Neil…

  • acat

    Last I recall, Vladimir (sorry, Steve) was busily pointing out that this science ain’t settled.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    .

  • acat
  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    make Redstate a better place by going back to Alex Jones fantasy land.

  • acat

    thank a soldier.

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    You also just made my point:

    “Nixon was locked in a close race with Kennedy both before and after the debates. Ford was catching up to Carter before the debate where he committed his Poland gaffe.”

    Both close races…both instances in which the losing candidates has terrible debate performances. Not quite sure how you deduce that they didn’t impact the races.

    Reagan won the debate with Carter by a 2 to 1 margin according to a call-in poll conducted right after it concluded. Read The Age of Reagan for more info on how that debate impacted the race.

  • APA Guy

    You also just made my point:

    “Nixon was locked in a close race with Kennedy both before and after the debates. Ford was catching up to Carter before the debate where he committed his Poland gaffe.”

    Both close races…both instances in which the losing candidates has terrible debate performances. Not quite sure how you deduce that they didn’t impact the races.

    Reagan won the debate with Carter by a 2 to 1 margin according to a call-in poll conducted right after it concluded. Read The Age of Reagan for more info on how that debate impacted the race.

  • sunshinek67

    I won’t be here, and pretty good chance you won’t either, unless you are 2. I’m glad that rogue leaders in the mideast are being taken out. You should be too.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

  • deringer

    Paul supporters love to bleat about how his ‘non-interventionism’ is separate from isolationism. Bull. Utter Bull.

    The US congress passed a divestment act because of the GENOCIDE in darfur. No hyperbole, ethnic cleansing on a horrific scale.

    It passed with almost unanimous support. That great man, Dr Paul, voted it down.

    http://www.reasontofreedom.com/hr_180_darfur_accountability_and_divestment_act_by_us_rep_ron_paul.html

    “No one denies that the humanitarian situation in Darfur is dire, but the United States government has no business entangling itself in this situation”

    Bear in mind this wasn’t to declare war. This was simply to stop FUNDING the regime.

    In the 1940s, if Japan hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor, Paul would be the monster saying the following:

    “No one denies that the humanitarian situation in Auschwitz is dire, but the United States government has no business entangling itself in this situation”

  • romansdaughter

    Of course, I have some other choices for VP than Jon Huntsman. But he might be great as VP???

  • sunshinek67

    it has been out on the internet for some time.

    USA Today 12/8/11, “EPA: Fracking may cause groundwater pollution”, also the WSJ picked up on it too:

    DECEMBER 19, 2011
    The EPA’s Fracking Scare

    Here’s a link to EPA study:
    http://www.epa.gov/hfstudy/index.html

  • 4suramcan

    to be re-elected, and thats one of them. To get the unemployment down to a false number so people who dont know any better will think he is doing a good job. There are millions of voters who dont know any better. Get it?

  • paladin1

    not to leave their computers unattended for children to type on? In my business, I understand that the world is full of wolves just looking for little sheep like you and R. Paul to devour. You keep me in business so a few of you around are good, but we can’t let too many of you out to run and play; otherwise we might find ourselves and the nation in a debacle even the sheepdogs can’t rescue it from. Go along and play somewhere else; you apparently live close enough to me that you have the potential to generate sheepdog work.

  • texashistorian

    Those examples you picked were all candidates who were killed by something other than a bad debate moment. Did it hurt them? In the case of Nixon, okay, without looking sweaty and ill-at-ease on TV, he MIGHT have won enough to overcome the vote fraud in Illinois and TX, but he also wasn’t help the Eisenhower threw him under the bus during the campaign.

    Carter in ’80? It wasn’t any debate that took him out- it was the hostage crisis and the economy. Ford in ’76? The pardon of Nixon, the economy, and that stupid Whip Inflation Now. Bush, Sr.? “Read my lips.” Look debates have a role, but I would posit that no one has ever lost the Presidency because of a debate. There have been some wonderful, memorable zingers thrown out at debates, and we recall them as part of campaign lore, but at the end of the day, Rush is correct on this one.

    You’ll get three debates with Obama. Why do we fear Obama in debate? He is a gaffe man himself. Look how he reacts when challenged. Like Romney he gets petulant, whiny, and unattractive. If I was a Dem, I would be worried about Obama in a debate against ANY of the GOPers for that very reason. No matter what he says, there is always a good response lined up if they were willing to use it. So the question becomes not, “who is the slickest debater we can throw at Obama?” but “who is the candidate most likely to take the gloves off in a campaign.” That is who we should be looking for. Obama is more vulnerable than many realize. We just require a nominee who is unafraid to press the many and obvious advantages he/she will have against the President in a debate.

    That nominee, out of the current field, is Rick Perry.

  • Common_Cents

    In trading stocks, it doesn’t matter as much where they’ve been, but where they are going.

  • APA Guy

    of history is far different than yours. Reagan wasn’t whomping Carter before that debate. He ran away with the race after it.

    And let’s be clear here…I didn’t say they caused any single candidate to win or lose. But you cannot say with a straight face that they wouldn’t be game-changers in a really close election. I believe this one will be tight and am worried that Perry won’t be up to the task when the debates begin. No one wants to be more wrong about that than me, but Perry’s performances thus far don’t give me hope.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    defensible, nothing Ron Paul says is.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Ever hear of trends?

  • Dave_A

    Because it counts people who would not be employable even in a ‘perfect’ economy, and those who consider themselves ‘underemployed’….

    Thus it will always be well, well above the real rate….

  • Dave_A

    However, GM and Chrysler got some TARP money (loans that have never been repaid) in the period between the 09 Congress taking office, and the eventual separate bailout deal that created ‘Government Motors’ and Fia-sler, while saving the UAW & giving the govt control of the companies in question….

  • retire05

    It wasn’t anything Nixon said, or didn’t say, that lost him that election.

    The JFK campaign wanted the first televised debate. They understood that putting a young, handsome man on stage who had aready sealed his bonifids as a WWII hero (with his book) would make a stark contrast to his older, shorter, more weatherworn, opponent. JFK had already been promoted as the “young, fresh” candidate who had strong support among college students that would be voting for the first time. Nixon represented the “establishment” of D.C.

    Kennedy also probably stole that election with the extensive voter fraud that went on. Nixon decided to not challenge the outcome thinking it would tear the nation apart not knowing who won. (Gore did not have the same concerns).

    Now, I ask; how adroit a debater is a man who has to take three teleprompters with him to speak to a fifth grade class?

    Carter? The nation just wanted to be rid of him and his sweater. Obama is more like Carter than his trumped up resemblance to FDR, JFK or Lincoln.

  • thirstyboots

    Very worthy goal, but that’s not what politicians are for.

    One of the legitimate government purposes is to keep the community safe – by waging war if necessary.

    Ironically, you’re endorsing the POV of Bush and some of the lunatics that orbited around his administration – that the purpose of “war” is to “make the world a better place”.

    America should fight any war necessary to keep her safe.

  • buddyp
  • hls87

    N/T

  • Dave_A

    By finally removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein from power…

    YES, life in Iraq and AFG is no cakewalk, but you don’t see people wishing for the old regimes back – other than the ones who were involved in them….

    Further, the damage done to Al Queda by both wars (Iraq made a huge difference – without the 2003 invasion, the US would never have been able to get AQ to commit to sustained operations – we’d still be playing hide-and-seek with them around the globe) has made the western world a much better place – the amount of terrorism directed at the US and Europe is down substantially…..

    And we did it without caving in to a single terrorist demand….

    (P.S. Before one of you paulbots lectures me about the cost in lives of these wars… I’ve served in both, and I’ve seen that cost firsthand. My unit lost 14 men this tour, and I knew 3 of them personally)

  • septembergurl

    Monday morning posts to snap us out of our doldrums. We are indeed facing a moment of truth approaching like a speeding train — voting in Iowa in 2 weeks, in NH in 3 weeks.

    Yet conservatives are currently supporting the same three candidates — none of whom is a true conservative (though Paul has some very conservative positions) — at the expense of the four true conservatives who languish at the bottom of the polls.

    This is not because conservatives are divided (you could add up the support for Huntsman, perry, Bachmann and Santorum an it would be about 20% which is far less than the proportion of conservatives/TPers in the republican party.

    No, it is a misunderstanding of what constitutes a conservative candidate. it is not someone who recycles Tea Party applause lines at debates or attacks the media. It is someone with a conservative record and conservative proposals for the Presidency. More broadly, a candidate who satisfies conservatives on our most important issues, to me, those are gun rights, abortion and taxes. additionally, someone who has a record of winning elections and governing successfully while implementing a reform agenda.

    This may sound obvious, yet it apparently isn’t. Earlier this year, when the candidacy of Christie was being feverishly discussed, I tried to point out that he was in some ways worse than Romney, an East coast RINO with none of Romney’s attractiveness an business experience. Someone screeched back “I don’t care about the issues! I just want to beat Romney!” The next day Christie endorsed Romney.

    For me, the choice is Perry or Huntsman. Successful governors who have never lost an election or a primary, who implemented precisely the kind of reform we need at the state level, strong job-creation records, and with detailed proposals on tax reform, energy independence, financial reform and much else. They have their weaknesses — Perry stumbled on immigration and Huntsman wandered into the tax and crap minefield — but these are not, to my way of thinking, major issues at this time.

    I am open to having a ticket composed of these two governors, though of course I see it as Huntsman-Perry!

  • acat

    See, it’s talking about a study that is underway but .. no mention in the link you provided about findings.

    As the news media dislike fracking rather a lot – Vlad, erm, sorry. Steve covers this at his blog, it seems to this cat like you’re arguing well ahead of evidence.

    Mew

  • texashistorian

    is that you can’t believe the polls that all had Carter mysteriously ahead even two weeks out from the election. It was a sham. But okay, you can make a case that the debate helped Reagan, and I’ll not argue with you. However, it won’t make or break a candidacy in my view.

    To the larger point: why are we assuming that Obama needs to taken on by a master debater? The man is not that intelligent. He reads a prompter well at times, and has academispeak down pretty pat. He can sounds smart, but again, he is a poor master of facts when away from the prompter, stammers, stutters, and says silly things. Perry can handle Obama, because frankly, there is not that much handle in that regard.

    Why we should fear Obama is his election machine, the ACORNs of the world, the deep campaign pockets, not the candidate himself, especially now that everyone is over the “historic” (read: racial) nature of his Presidency.

  • Dave_A

    No teleprompters, no notes, just the 2 men and a moderator….

  • sunshinek67

    These Paul-Democratic supporters are basing THEIR arguments on just that, a science study, political science that is. It is not settled, and I do not believe there has been even one documented case where it has. Governor Perry has made clear that he wants to dismantle and rebuild EPA with common sense pro business tenets.

    Hon’, I am a native Texan, lived in the Brazos County area my entire life. Currently the 2,000 ac cattle ranch I have known for the last 25 yrs has been taken over and turned into an oil&gas operation. We are drill friendly here :)

    Energy independence, protected borders both JOBS based, and right to life are just a few of the major reasons why I push SO HARD in “anonymous” chat rooms for Governor Perry. I’m a staunch supporter as I have outlined on my Twitter profile :)

  • sunshinek67

    sorry you misread my intentioned thread. If we don’t call out these liberals when they report biased information based on undocumented and unsettled information conservatives, and GOP will continue to lose to the voting populous that adheres to soundbites and headlines that fulfill a left agenda.

    Why is it that in “polling” the conservatives are conveniently tucked away at the bottom?

  • tailfins1959

    Ron Paul would be an improvement over the current occupant of the White House. That’s only because another 9/11 would do less damage to the country than the attack on 1/20/09. Our nation could recover, but why ask for it? That’s the price we would pay as a nation to make Paul wake up.

  • stardustsara

    the more i read these comments, the more i think the republican electorate has gone insane. do you people really believe newt can win a national election — in the east! get read. we need someone who can win and can take us out of this mess diplomatically – not talking down to foreign leaders as newt would do. this is too serious an election to pick who you like in your heart – we have to vote with our heads this time. duhhhhh!

  • gabs

    Another 9/11? An American citizen can’t get on an airplane with a tube of toothpaste. There’s never going to be another 9/11. Security is so tight now, nobody even wants to fly anymore because it’s a huge hassle. Underwear bomber, shoe bomber, Times Square bomber…all of them made the news for getting caught.

  • funwithknives

    link to oe.oilonline and look up Professor M J Economides column, last page/ each issue. Specifically look up 11/2011: “The Times– they need a changing.”
    My other gets this mag at work and brings me home all copies. Eye-opening to say the least.

    Being a layman ,and certainly I am no expert, but it would seem from what I have seen thus far the biggest fault in fracking is making sure the initial down bore is sturdy enough to allow no leakage ,closer to the surface. Once you get to the depth required ,and start lateral drilling,there is effectively no {or close to same} problem.
    Also ,Prof. Economides is the editor-in-chief of “Energy Tribune”, and it goes into some detail. {Too much Info ? — Never!!}

  • Common_Cents

    What % chance do you see a President Gingrich pursuing an individual mandate? and what are chances of his success convincing congress?

  • acat

    Thank you for clarifying.

    And yeah, the GOP would like to keep the conservatives at the kiddy table. We need to remind ‘em who paid for the hall….

    Mew

  • carolynr

    You really don’t get it…do you. Go back and watch all of the debates. When has she criticized Romney? When Perry got under his skin and Willard became flustered…WHO came to his rescue…Bachmann. When Newtie got after Romney…who came to hise rescue. She is kissing up for the VP slot…and besides…WILLARD needs the TP vote. Too bad…people are floating Condi Rice for VP.

    She does not have the resume to be POTUS. What would she do if she got a call at 3 am in the morning and have to order poor, innocent teenagers to war…where some would probably die? Hey..if we’re against preventing cancer in both sexes…war…I think not.

    Look…this woman is a whiner..AND she is stuck of the vertical pronoun……I.

  • carolynr

    nt

  • sunshinek67

    earlier this a.m. Feel like asking for a reimbursement for those 10seconds of life that I lost.

    Sometimes my online conservative activism, especially while traveling & posting between red lights, can get the best of me, lol, so thanks for keeping me on my toes friend :)

  • acat

    and is posterboy for what’s wrong with the Illinois GOP. Corrupt, anti-constituent, favors a bipartisan screwing over of the voters…

    And Romney has never moved away from this guy.

    Ever.

    Worse, that Kjellander was dirty was evident from a simple Lexis/Nexis search *before* he was named campaign chair.

    That’s a huge problem for Romney that remains, at this point, under the radar…. know all those connections of Obama’s that never got investigated? Romney’s boy Kjellander is connected to the same cesspool.

    Think about it.

    Mew

  • carolynr

    The reason that Perry is painted this way is because the MSM has done so and everyone has followed along. This is academia at its best. Like Perry said…they no more want him in DC than the devil wants to drink holy water. I am going to post something later about how the GOP has this thing engineered from the inside. Can you imagine…a part time Congress. Of course they won’t give that up…they want their perks. Yet…here we all marched and demonstrated for fiscal discipline, smaller government…and what did many of us do…PAY ATTENTION TO THE IDIOTS ON TV.

    So…let’s give them (Congress) their big, fat paychecks and they will get NOTHING done…and we only have ourselves to blame because we’re worried about SOMEONE’S ACCENT. God…are we that VAIN a people?

  • carolynr

    The SOS

  • carolynr

    Romney has said recently…on Greta two or three days ago that HE WOULD REPLACE OBAMACARE….CAN YOU GUESS WITH WHAT?

    God…what is wrong here…listen to what the man is saying. He is going to have federal healthcare, insured by private insurance and ADMINISTERED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT…

  • carolynr

    From blogging on their papers…I have found one thing to be true of many Iowans…they are not that interested in their religion when they can have their subsidy. This is why Romney is even in the polls. You see….Romney’s religion is at odds with the supposed Christian Conservatives…so the only reason he is even registering in the polls is his promise of ethanol subsidies.

    When Bachmann…because she was born there and they want their favorite daughter to be in the top 3…the country be damned. So much for what is good for the country…and insanity.

  • robobbob

    I am a conservative. Since at least 2006, the GOP establisment has decided that they did not need to listen to a thing I say.
    I will not vote for a Dem-lite, progressive want-2-B. I held my nose in 2008. I will not do it again.
    If they offer more of the same, I will vote my conscience and throw my vote away on a write in or third party candidate.
    But, but, many of you are sputtering, BHO will get re-elected. So? back to the cliff analogy. Driving over a cliff slowly, will not protect you from the same outcome as going over quickly. Electing big gov moderates just because they have an R behind their name will not change the outcome of what is happening. It will only tarnish the Right. Are we not still paying the price from previous big spending/big government republicans from the past that we just went along with?
    Perhaps, if a site like say, Red State, voices the same opinion loud enough, maybe, just maybe, the GOP will start to get the message.

  • jacobite

    I’d say the last chance to restore the US Government to some decent size without bloodshed was 1936. Just as people today are saying that we have to repeal O’bamaCare right away or it’ll be too late, they said the same about Social Security after its1935 passage. People were correct both times. Only being correct today doesn’t matter, because being correct in 1936 but doing nothing means today’s correctness is irrelevant.

  • briang

    Matt,
    Those of us who take a principled view of the role of government are encouraged to *not* comment here–only observe.
    This place is really more of an ego-boost for those who are certain they know what government should do for/to people. The comment section is really meant to remind them how right they are and how everyone with any sense agrees with them. If you don’t agree, you obviously don’t have any sense, hence you get banned. Thereby proving that people who have sense agree. The circular logic is apparent to observers, but those who are desperate for confirmation can easily put it out of mind.
    So, don’t waste too much time here. There is actual work to be done. It can be interesting to see which nit they will pick between Newt and Mitt or to see the schism between those who finally gave up on Sarah and those who never will, but seriously, don’t waste time posting.

  • jaykali

    It was:
    a) all the stuff that the govt did that led to the financial collapse and then SEVERLY limited their options
    b) not having more controls over the money (as usual) which led to the repaid funds being used as extra stimulus for the president. that was probably bush giving too much trust to his new successor.

    i feel like tarp is the same deal as raising the debt limit, these are both very unattractive decisions that are *somewhat* forced bc of the actions that preceded them. i dont agree with just blindly saying lets not use tarp and ‘see what happens’ or lets not raise the debt limit and ‘see what happens’. i get really annoyed with elected officials that just pander to the base with ‘symbolic’ no votes on unpopular issues and I think Michelle Bachmann is the poster child for such votes.

  • geoph

    “War is Peace…..”
    “Ignorance is Power…..”

    “And when memory failed and written records were falsified?when that happened, the claim of the Party to have improved the conditions of human life had got to be accepted, because there did not exist, and never again could exist, any standard against which it could be tested.”

    Oh well, Mr. Orwell was off by 28 or so years.

    It wouldn’t be so painful if they didn’t tell us exactly what was happening while we feigned ignorance!
    God have Mercy upon us, if He deems us worthy of it.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You obviously don’t know how to read or think.

    You use the word “principled” in a sentence that alludes to an antisemitic bigot, an unadulterated hypocrite on public money and a complete failure who’s spent 20+ years in Congress and accomplished nothing but a cult like following of bigots and really stupid people.

    Bye.

  • cbartlett

    There is such a drastic contrast in the issues and respective philosophies it will be extraodinarily easy to throw out the facts to blast Obama’s record. Obama will be awful without a teleprompter. It is actually a lot harder for Perry to debate in this Republican circus atmosphere – too many issues and too many candidates to concentrate on. He doesn’t want to attack them personally. One-on-one – he would be fine. Unfortuately, he is having a hard time selling it to the ignorant and uneducated majority. The media is complicit in the sound byte Perry destruction and that’s all the idiots in this country see/hear.

  • tailfins1959

    Being a confused activist isn’t taken too well around here either. If it matters, as a default I take the conservative position until facts or observations contradict. I only personally know only ONE Paul supporter and he seems like a reasonable enough fellow. If they compare to the dollar store toupee wearing with dandruff falling out food hoarders I met in the John Birch Society, I can guess. As I get older, ideology seems less important than character. Has anyone considered that maybe Romney got Nikki Haley’s endorsement with an old-fashioned application of Dale Carnegie’s principles of “How to Win Friends and Influence People”?

    The world doesn’t fit in the nice little box presented at your local College Republicans chapter. Listen to everybody; it won’t kill you.

    BTW: Hannity’s forum has a bug in the sign-up.

  • cbartlett

    Well said!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    RonPaul people are incapable of intelligent discourse and anyway, why would you want to have a discussion with a backer of an antisemite troofer???

    People come in here with well presented arguments, even wrong ones, are accepted and treated cordially. Jerks who show up and say I read it occasionally but I never post get what’s coming to them.

    For these two idiots, Alex Jones is a perfect forum. Or C4P, since most of them are too dumb to know a decent argument when they see one.

  • tailfins1959

    I wandered off by myself “accidentally on purpose” in Havana. I got on buses, walked through neighborhoods, etc. Some people were willing to talk under the condition I turn my head as they walk away if they risked being observed talking to a foreigner. The most striking thing was a sizable number of people were willing to fabricate 100% false charges and get a neighbor arrested for some FLOUR!!

    People make accusations about others every day. I’m slow to believe accusations about any candidate unless I see it from their own lips in context. The anger I see toward Paul makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Rejection of Paul doesn’t bother me but the anger does.

    I’m undecided between Gingrich, Romney and Perry. All three have faults. I’m waiting to see which can best compensate for his faults.

  • cbartlett

    I’d venture to say that most of you on RS are about 400% more educated than the average voter and there are a whole lot more of the stupid ignorant ones than there are of us. AND the media is assisting in increasing their numbers while decreasing our optimism. Go spend a few hours at your local mall or Wal-Mart observing people and tell me that there is hope for the intelligent, educated voters to prevail. Sigh.

  • cbartlett

    Perry is the only conservative in this field but the media alternates between negative sound bytes about unimportant issues or completely ignoring him as a candidate. We need to keep working hard to get the most conservative option in these primaries, but ultimately get behind whoever is the Not-Obama in November. The next step is to get REAL conservatives in both houses of Congress. We will get a lot more mileage out of that in the long run even if we force them to check-mate a somewhat progressive Republican President.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    you’d understand why those of us who’ve been around hate the bas***ds. I have absolutely no respect or use for anyone who supports Ron Paul.

    With respect to Paul, he’s not a Republican and shouldn’t even be in the Primary. He’s either refused to endorse or run against the Republican nominee for longer than I have memory. I don’t have a problem with that, other than every primary season he wants to pretend so he can get some publicity and lead new set worshipers off to Paultown. Koolaid is on the way.

    The guy has been marching arm in arm with Alex Jones (I refuse to link) forever, and is still a regular on his radio program. He published a newsletter and for years there were regular anti-Semitic rants and advertisements by skin head organizations. Paul is an unabashed troofer, his carping about getting caught to the contrary.

    There is plenty about Ron Paul to be angry about, and he’s earned all of it.

  • geotan

    Yes it would be crazy to nominate Gingrich for what you said and more. However, Romney was a fiscal conservative as Governor and had to work with an 85% democratic legislature. Your man Perry had a majority Republican legislature but still pushed for liberal programs such as the HPV vaccine and in state tuition for illegals. Who is the nut here? Second, while you, Erik Erickson, may overlook Perry’s communication skills and debating skills, most non partisan observers in the general election won’t be so forgiving and blinded by an infatuation. Stop the hyperbole because you people are discrediting Romney so badly he may be shot in the foot and lose the general election.

  • hithere64

    No, they will not get your message, and BO will be re-elected. Do you really think if we win the Senate and keep the House that it would be better to have Obama in the WH than Romney? Really? If that is what you and Erick really believe, why not nominate Goldwater? I understand he is dead, but at least you would be taking a principled stand against common sense.

  • carolynr

    and it goes down from there. Perry is EXACTLY what the TPM wanted…to a tee. Nikki Haley….Romney.

    We will rue the day that man gets into office.

  • levinfan90

    You’re right, geotan. Erickson and others are quite right that Romney and Gingrich are unreliable and worrisome candidates, with some big positives, and big negatives, but what they will not point out, what they REFUSE to point out, is that Perry has the same problematic mix. He is no more conservative than Romney or Newt. And I’m not exaggerating at all. He may not support an individual mandate on healthcare, but he was quite comfortable with one regarding vaccines for HPV, as Romney actually pointed out in a recent debate. And that’s just one example. One could easily write a very large book on Perry’s record, and you wouldn’t come out with the impression that he is a true conservative warrior, consistently on our side. Further, Erickson and others are dishonest in their portrayal of Romney, while they praise and idolize Perry, blowing him up into something he’s not. He’s no more conservative than Romney, and an honest comparison of their records easily shows that. I would add that Bachmann is the only consistent conservative in the race.

  • circlegranch

    All I hear from Mitt supporters is to ignore his moderate stance and stand with him because he can attract the moderate vote. Where’s evidence of that? Why aren’t the Republicans concerned about attracting the Hispanic vote back from Obama? Go look, state by state, at the new numbers of registered Hispanics and then, RNC, ask yourselves if its smart to run a candiate that won’t gather that sect of the vote to the GOP. Bachmann and Romney are the worst and have little to no Hispanic support.

    Nobody wants illegals to vote, especially those Hispanics that followed the rules and obtained citizenship according to law. What offends most people is the harsh rhetoric that Bachmann especially puts out: load them up like cattle and ship them home. It’s impossible to do and Perry has the right idea: shut the borders down and then family by family start looking at what’s the best thing for our country in dealing with them. Criminals get shipped on Day One. Nobody argues that point either.

    This is going to be a huge component in defeating Obama. Somebody in the GOP think tank better wake up and address this before we automatically put Romney on the ballot.

  • tailfins1959

    Hispanic excludes Brazilians and generates resentment from numerous Portuguese speaking immigrants in this country.

  • texasref

    nt

    Please…please for the love of God, anybody and I do mean anybody (including Paul) besides Romney!!!

  • newrony

    Perry simply can’t win. He can’t debate, he’s viewed as too extreme, and he reminds too many independents of Bush, without any of the charm. Huntsman would be viewed as a rational alternative to Obama. Now if only we could get the people of Iowa to vote for someone who didn;t spend every day of the last two years campaigning in their state.

  • texasref

    Regarding what you posted in paragraph 4, sentence 2:

    What I don’t like about him is his complete lack of principles and power-grabbing monomania, not his alleged “appeal to moderate voters,” which he lacks, as well.

  • texasref

    Well some of us anyway. And the difference between me and a Paulbot is I am not relishing the idea of having to choose Paul.

    I wanna believe in ya, Newt. I really, really do. *sigh*

  • guvhog

    Discredit Romney??? No need to do that. Romney does that well enough all by his self by just being the Liberal that he is!

  • guvhog

    They won’t do that. If the Democrats did show up to vote in the Iowa GOP Caucas they would have to register as Republicans and would forfiet the right to vote in the Democratic Primary and Caucas later.

  • nancysabet

    who lost most of the elections in which he campaigned. And he’s spent his entire career losing elections – that’s why he brags about not being a career politician. Rick Perrynever lost an election and was elected three terms, this alone should speak volume and Texas economy is doing great.Unlike Romney who is running away from his record to manipulate the voters, Gov. Perry is running on his very successful and strong record of achievements.

  • heraklios

    How any self-respecting conservative could ever consider supporting him is beyond me. The D.C. GOP’s role in pushing him on us will be a black mark on the party for years to come. If he is the nominee, I hope every one on here doesn’t give a dime to the party this election cycle.

  • znjs

    Sad reality is that in the US we don’t have a good percentage of people that vote in the general election. Barely anyone votes in the primary. How many people are actually dedicated enough to go to the other party’s caucus’s to vote for a candidate who even if he wins Iowa won’t do anything past one more state? Sounds like something a lot of people will joke about doing, and then the actual night find something better to do, even if that’s just watching tv. I bet in the end you can count the total number of people in the state that do that on your fingers.

  • guvhog

    I find it very concerning that a candidate who is running as a Conservative for the GOP nomination has a Foreign policy that is strictly Left Wing Liberal!!!

  • guvhog

    3 of those 4 will soon drop out and the Conservatives will unite behind the lone remaining Conservative causing both Romney and Paul to slide into obscurity at a distant 2nd and 3rd. I hope that remaining conservative Candidate is either Gingrich or Perry.

  • LibertarianHawk

    But this is precisely what I feared….and a big reason why I wanted Mitch Daniels to run. I obviously don’t know how he’d have fared — but I have a hunch he’d have stood out among the non-Romney crowd.

  • guvhog

    Romney is not going to win Florida PERIOD. In fact, he’s not going to win in the South at all.

  • heraklios

    to make sure a conservative is groomed, has support lined up, and is ready to go when the time comes

  • guvhog

    Newt did in fact support the Individual mandate A LONG TIME AGO but sometime ago, changed his mind. He’s been an opponent of the individual mandate for sometime now so your post is misleading.

  • conservative_dan

    Perry is the only candidate with recent, hands-on governing experience. And he’s done a fine job of it for 11 years. And while nobody is perfect, he is most assuredly conservative candidate we have. His whole mode of operation is to think along conservative lines. It is his whole background. I think people who really want Perry had better get out on the field and support him now, before it’s too late.

  • Dave_A

    The best summary I could come up with for TARP (and the quite similar Resolution Trust Corporation, used to solve the 80s S&L crisis) is ‘The govt cleaning up it’s own mess’….

    It was an economically responsible thing to do, and it was done in the most free-market way possible (many on the left wanted nationalization of the banks)….

    The aftermath, as far as the repaid funds, is what we get for electing Democrats.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • heraklios

    Maybe some of these people will start listening and start taking us seriously for once. I predict that if it’s Obama-Romney (white) turnout in many southern states will be a record low.

  • Dave_A

    Advancing our national interests, and protecting our allies are also appropriate reasons to fight.

    And US national interests were not served either by the Taliban remaining in power, or by Saddam continuing to mock us while running an atrocious regime in Iraq, or by Al Queda being allowed to run from shithole to shithole while we played catch-up.

    The problem with ‘Keep America Safe’ as the only justification for war, is that the Left and their enablers (like Paul) will always scoff at any threat, claiming ‘they can’t possibly hurt us’… And when a threat DOES hurt us, they will then advocate the most narrow & limited response – usually claiming that the criminal justice system and ‘diplomacy’ are the appropriate tools…

    Bull.

  • conservative_dan

    opponent for the boy-king. That’s why you see very little about him mentioned anywhere, including on Fox. My hope is that he will break through in Iowa and then they will have to pay more attention to him. Granted, they will portray him as a doofus, but that’s what they do. They would have had us believe Ronnie was a doofus too. It just shows how scared of him they are. They’re fine with Romney or Gingrich. Remember, whatever the left and the media want, do the opposite! I say, Vote for Perry!!!

  • ihateliberals

    The Republican party has been quietly infiltrated with Liberals and RINO’s. We the people have been allowing this because the party was still operating under the guise of being conservative. GHW Bush was at best a RINO and mostly a liberal and his son that followed him was or is the same. Let’;s not forget Bush was the Republican poster child and Reagan screwed that up for him. He hated Reagan and the idea of his VooDoo economics that brought us out of the recession of Jimmy Carter. I know someone that lives in Boehners district in Ohio and when I attacked Boehner for being a RINO he flipped out on me. His premiss was that Boehner did so much for his district. My Premiss was so what look at what he is doing to the country. People have to realize that the main source of help within a state is from the state legislator and not the Federal. The reason being there are no local Federal elections anymore. The decisions that congress makes affect the entire country so even though i live in PA the Senator and Representatives from NM etc affect my life so I have a stake in making sure they are conservative and not returning RINO’s to the congress. We the people have to wake-up to this fact or we are certainly lost. Just like AZ sent McCain back to the Senate and Reid from NV.

    If we elect Newt, Romney or Obama we have elected the same person as far as politics are concerned. We will shafted and more and more socialization of our country to the point that we may not be able to return the the true United States of America. I was very animate about the Not Romney Candidate and now I have to be the same about Not Newt. Any of the remaining four should at this point be the only people we are looking at. Obama is scared to death of these guys since he thinks he can beat either Newt or Romney and he is most likely right since so many conservatives will just throw in the towel. Might as well because they are about the same with the things that really matter.

  • heraklios

    …maybe it’s time for us to distance ourselves from them

  • trickamsterdam

    but I do have family there…have a certain feel for it.

    Romney nearly won it last time…And now…the whole R establishment on his side, and all that money? And all that momentum?

    It’s a state the size of a small country, w/ many, many transplants. Not a true Southern State. Many people will die there that weren’t born there…

    Remember, in both our best-case scenarios, we’re dealing w/ Newt or Perry having only won SC…

    But Newt can compete in FL better, the Rust Belt, the NorthEast etc, better, than Perry.

    Look, I really don’t care very much…

    Because I do think Romney is more electable than Newt (even though I don’t trust Romney as far as I can throw him ,on SCOTUS Justices, one of my main issues).

    But I’m not so sure Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum people will feel the same way…I think, in the end, they’ll regret they didn’t vote for Newt…at least give a chance to a conservative (90% ACU lifetime record, leader of the second conservative revolution)…

    Because, otherwise, you WILL get Romney, IMO (right of center, one-term governor, whose signature achievement is RomneyCare).

    There it is.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    than having some of the conservatives go somewhere else.

  • rpb227

    That’s the whole point. We were attacked because of our policies. It’s time to change those policies. That’s what RP is onto. A sizable group of conservatives get that.

  • rpb227

    1% of Republican voters read blogs. Nothing we say here matters in the end. Whatever the media is saying will drive the results. We need to get over it and figure out how Romney can beat Obama.

  • tomatin

    That’s why Paul will probably win IA now.

  • tomatin

    If it’s Romney I’ll just vote for the best state and local conservatives.

    I don’t see more insanity as a response to insanity.

  • tomatin

    the GOP establishment will let Perry win.

  • JSobieski

    the GOP establishment is as powerful and effective as to be near omnipotent.

    Goldwater beat the establishment without talk radio, without cable, and without the Internet. So did Reagan.

    If the GOP was as effective as you suggest, why has it been so impotent in the past?

  • JSobieski

    In the primaries, people should vote for whom they want. Surprises do happen.

    In the general, not voting for the R is just another way of voting FOR Obama.

    Romney is still head and shoulders better than Obama. If we don’t do everything we can to repeal Obamacare in 2013, we are wasting our legacy as Americans.

  • tomatin

    I guess you forgot how Rove and Fox News piled on Perry.

    Romney is being pushed down our throats because he’s the safest candidate for the establishment to control period.

  • buddyp

    I too, wonder about people’s conceptions of the GOP “establishment”.

    I’d like someone to help me out and define who it is, what it does, and why it’s so powerful.

    Yes, there’s the matter of money, and if a regular (from one election to the next) set of large GOP donors is viewed as the establishment, that seems like a reasonable conception of an “establishment”, given the importance of large donors to a competitive candidacy even in the Internet age conducive to more small donations, not to mention cheap social media. Many such donations (and I assume super pacs etc.) are probably via bundlers and other coordinated efforts that bring together affluent, powerful folks with vested interests in achieving or preserving particular government policies, which I assume are largely related to their respective industries. So in effect, this argument would seem to be that big business (including Wall St. and private equity, etc. as well as large corporations in various sectors) is the establishment.

    But IIRC, Perry was quickly flush with campaign cash, I think much of it from large contributors. So I don’t see how the “establishment” of that sort would have held him back.

    There’s the factor of endorsements from sitting and past politicians. That obviously could make sense as an “establishment”. But my gut tells me such endorsements are not particularly influential these days, let alone decisive (and are at least partially offset by those turned off by endorsements from current or past politicians who are “part of the problem”).

    And there are major columnists and editorial boards (e.g., George Will; National Review) and major talk show hosts (e.g., Limbaugh; Hannity). But which of them are supposedly part of the “establishment” and in what way?

    So I’d like some of those harping on the presumption that “the GOP establishment” is like “da’ man” keeping their guy down to explain all this to me.

    Who are they, what do they want, why do they want it, and what are they doing to kill which candidacies and types of candidacies?

    Just spell it out for me like I’m a six year-old please. Because there are a gazillian references to the GOP establishment (usually by people upset that their candidate isn’t doing well), but I never see anyone explain who/what they see as the establishment and what it’s all about.

  • buddyp

    nt

  • JSobieski

    You still haven’t explained how talk radio and the Internet are at the whims of the GOP establishment.

    People err when they attribute to conspiracy what can just as easily explained by group think.

    I am no fan of Huckabee, but his 2008 victory in Iowa shows you how “powerful” the establishment is. So does Buchanon’s 96 victory in New Hampshire. Reagan and Goldwater had NO media, and yet they still broke through.

    The world is comprised of powerful forces and trends, but no political force is omnipotent. The USSR fell for God’s sake, and they had real control over every aspect of life.

    Yet, there will still people who resisted and prevailed.

    In contrast, you advocate surrender and dispair in the USA?

    Its a shame that someone with so much freedom to shape their world refuses to see what others so desperately want.

  • JSobieski

    Instead of facing the disturbing realities, such as the fact that South Carolina Republicans voted for McCain over Thompson in 2008, we attribute the outcome to the manipulative “establishment”.

    The GOP as a whole seems unable to even articulate a coherent message so much of the time, becomes infinitely savy and competent at rubbing people out.

    Tis puzzling.

  • circlegranch

    for my failure to be more inclusive. Stay tuned as the election season goes on–you’ll likely be needing to correct many that also make this error.

    The core issue, however, is that we are concerned only with the opinion of legal immigrants, no matter their country of origin. Before labeling them based on country or language, we all must prioirtize their legality first.

  • tailfins1959

    Seeing Liberal-land up close and personal, it becomes evident that lefties destroy their own culture. They abort their own constituents and make themselves minorities in their own communities when they establish sanctuary cities. It’s amazing that you can live in a liberal enclave and not be around liberals if you don’t want to! There’s Indian neighborhoods, Mexican, Brazilian, Russian, Jewish, Armenian, Polish, Irish neighborhoods and probably dozens more I didn’t mention. A conservative of non-US heritage is a real future possibility in states like NJ, NY, CT, RI or MA.

  • 1bunny

    other “conservatives” don’t really want to save this country by backing someone who can actually beat Obama. Their money will dry up if they have no one to rail against. Sarah Palin endorsed Perry in 2010 but is now negative or just ho hum about him. The TPM has been saying they want a smaller govt, less taxes, pro-life etc and here we have a candidate that has actually done these things in TX. But they have run after every up in the pollsTom, Dick and Harry. Then the MSM takes glee in tearing that candidate down so we are on to the next candidate. Wake up people!