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From the Mail Bag: Ron Paul, Is That You?

I don’t know, but I bet whoever it is will be voting for Ron Paul.

Begin forwarded message:

From: crazyjerk@excite.com
Subject: Dear dirty Jews
Date: December 20, 2011
To: contact@redstate.com

No one likes Israel. Every one hates you, your f**king website and your ideas. You guys are filthy f**king jews and I’m very happy that you died in the gas chambers.

Iran is not a threat to the United States. The only threat Iran is to is Israel and I’m VERY happy about that. I hope Iran destroys Israel. Also, jews aren’t even smart. That’s propaganda.

COMMENTS

  • jakeofalltrades

    Upon further analysis, it’s amazing how this person sees absolutely everything in terms of “race”. Someone should teach him that there’s only one human race.

  • johnt

    He’s among the millions who graduate from one of the most expensive educational systems in the world, barely literate, not even a grasp of history, prints, can’t write his name, gets swallowed up in a total media culture where a degree in journalism is our answer to the Oxford Tripos, where ignorance and aimless hatred are the values both for the media and the creatures like this. It isn’t going to get better, and you will be hearing and seeing much more of him and his kind in 2012.

  • znjs

    Is that the real email address? Because crazyjerk@excite.com sounds like a troll email address. Don’t feed the trolls.

  • blooch

    The trolls have a little competition to see who can get pulled from the mailbag. They’re tired of college professors hogging all of the glory. The only threat the author is to is hisself.

  • wennejunk

    RP supporters are neither very creative nor smart – once enraged, they stop thinking.

  • Bill S

    Spoofing an email addr isn’t all that hard.

  • richsr7

    David Axlerod
    He’s from the windy cityWhere Corruption is taught as aSchookl subject.

  • lizzie

    so, Erick Erickson of RedState.com is now officially part of the “AIPAC/Zionist Global Conspiracy”, along with those “secret Jews” named Roosevelt.

    You have no idea how wide the net is of believers. I am sure somewhere Queen Elizabeth II is also being blogged as a “secret Jew”.

    Ron Paul and segments of his base believe in the 1920′s version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion published by Henry Ford, Senior’s Dearborn Independent as “The International Jew”. The code words from Paulbots are “Federal Reserve – privately owned – by secret foreign bankers”
    I wrote a grad school paper on that aspect of Henry Ford Senior in 2005, so when I started hearing the same words from Ron Paul supporters, it was very easy to connect the dots.
    It is not about Israel, it is about the most pervasive Lie that Never Dies about the secret one-world Jewish banker conspiracy. As if! When I first read the Protocols (a libelous Tsarist forgery from 1905 based on an 1840′s French satire), I thought the conspirators were the British Empire and JP Morgan, uber-WASP, who all met in a Prague cemetery on a dark and stormy night :)

    As to Iran? A nuclear Iran first and foremost threatens the House of Saud’s rule as the protectors of Mecca and Medina. Iran’s Shi’a theocracy is still fighting the Battle of Karbala, twelve hundred years later, for control over Islam.

    While I do believe it necessary to always believe anyone with a military who publicly states they want to annihilate the Jews, because history proves they always mean what they say, a nuclear Iran or proxy would more likely use dirty bombs in Tel Aviv and Haifa while Hezbollah and Hamas rain conventional missiles on north and south Israel.

    The Twelver Shi’a want Mecca and Medina in order to prove that Hussein’s martyrdom at Karbala was only a twelve hundred year interruption of the true Islamic Caliphate where laws of man have no place.

    If you are reading this Erick, just remember that Jew-hatred has a very long lineage, so if your next encounter is a face-to-face where you are asked to show your horns, hope you will have a Viking helmet handy.

    ok, no one has asked me if they could see my horns since 1968- just wanted to insert my deep admiration for anyone of Viking heritage. Erick Erickson would likely pass that test :)

    As for Jews being smart? Well, if you are a 13-year old hormonal boy studying the Talmud for your Bar Mitzvah, you learn that Talmudic Law specifies frequency of sexual relations in marriage, based on the profession of the male husband.
    Once you learn that a ditch-digger only gets relations once per month, it certainly helps stimulate a 13-year old boy to become a scholar, unto the thousandth generation…

    I am not kidding – Talmudic Law is extremely detailed.

  • jakeofalltrades

    For a programmer, spoofing an email address takes exactly as much effort as not spoofing it.

  • znjs

    But self identifying as a “crazy jerk” suggests that his day was probably made by making the front page.

    It’s fun making fun of flamers who go over the top but basically believe what they’re saying. Trolls are a different matter. They live for this.

  • dave2131

    Every candidate has crazy supporters somewhere. I understand this site cannot stand Ron Paul, but is it really necessary to link every crazy person out there with Ron Paul?

    I love this site, but the constant RP bashing is getting old, especially when we have people like Newt & Mitt around…They are the bigger problem than Paul – as they could very well win the nomination. Think about the big picture here.

    Yes, I support RP, and if he can’t win, then I’m solidly behind the other RP – Rick Perry. We should be using our time to promote conservative candidates (like you did in the last election), not pissing off supporters of a candidate by lumping them all together as crazy lunatics. Most of Paul’s supporters want the same thing as conservatives – 1st get Obama out, and take control of congress. 2nd restore us to financial sanity and get the government boot off our throats.

    We are in a bad place right now as our debt is uncontrollable, we have the same establishment screwing us in D.C. and millions are without jobs. If you don’t agree/like Ron Paul that is fine, but please use this site as a place to show people who is the right person and why (aka facts).

    Ok, I’ll step off my soap box now :D

  • Bill S

    Did you not watch the last debate?

    Iran is not a threat to the United States. The only threat Iran is to is Israel and I?m VERY happy about that.

    …is clearly a reference to Paul’s philosophy and the ravings “statements” he made at that event.

    Paul is a lunatic. His followers are also. This is simply proof point 1,248,655 that Paul (and his minions) are/would be more dangerous to this country than Obama himself.

  • westcoastpatriette

    and thanks for a good morning laugh describing the Talmud’s detailed teaching on the frequency which a man may (or must?) engage in sexual relations with his wife based on profession of the male.

    Got a good chuckle. We have seen the same kind of micromanagement of conduct in Christian teaching and it always leads to disillusionment and frustration when the student realizes they have been led astray. But, alas, it is always difficult for the teacher to give up their power over their disciple–even when they come face to face with its failure.

  • jakeofalltrades

    how many cult crazies there are in this country. My dad married one… hears God talk to her, sees the future, uses it to control everyone around her.

    Nasty.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    that people like the author of this email are probably legally entitled to get in their car and drive straight to the liquor store.

  • dave2131

    I’ll admit, I didn’t catch it the first time. :S

    I’m tired of being lumped in with the “crazies” group because I support his his economic policies and belief in personal liberty which no other candidate has really come close to.

    I see both Mitt and Newt as big government republicans, and there is not enough effort being put in to take them down as they are just as much a threat to the USA as you perceive Paul to be.

    In the end, of my favorite sayings are mine, (1)?Government is not the doctor. It is the disease.? Does it really matter who is elected when their only answer is more Government – because (2)?When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence?

  • dave2131

    AND VOTE!

  • jrfromdallas

    Are out of touch and crazy for believing this guy would/could be elected and make drugs legal and prostitution legal. Aren’t they aware that he endorsed Cynthia McKinney for POTUS when he dropped out last time? C’mon people!!!

  • tailfins1959

    Do you have a link where I can see Paul endorsed Cynthia McKinney? Anything is possible I guess, but this I gotta see! After Ron Paul disables most barriers against another 9/11 both onshore and offshore he would sit there puzzled “Duh, how did that happen?” once we were attacked again by terrorists.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    She was into the “Bilderberg Perry” conspiracy. It was awful. She was so hung up on this that she was shrill, repulsive, and irrational. Real mature, you know? I finally had to walk away because I wasn’t getting anywhere.

    Think I’ll go skin me an alligator, I’m in need of tough skin this morning!

  • Bill S

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/ron-paul-to-announce-presidential-endorsement-plans/

    This guy isn’t a RINO. He’s just a whack job…to even call him a Republican would be an extreme stretch

  • tailfins1959

    She was doing a comedy act. I’m sorry her act didn’t add a chuckle to your day. The was just angry and shrill because you couldn’t find the spot to drop your spare change.

  • wheelworker

    Ron Paul doesn’t get involved in a supplication contest before Israel, thus he must be an anti-Semite. Behold, the majesty of conservative logic! Pitiful and sad. It’s funny how quick conservatives pull the race card when it suits their interests. Your hypocrisy never fails to astound me.

  • funwithknives

    Ronnie-Baby needs to get “wished away to the cornfield”.{see Ronnie Howard in the famous Twilight Zone episode}
    How can a critical thinker with access to a few history books,would ever support this doofus is really beyond ME.
    Truly, is this an indicator of how fa a real education has dipped downward in this country?
    Or is this merely a form of fly attractant, to be cleaned up at regular intervals? Who’s got some RAID(Tm)?

  • funwithknives

    of this diary post is merely an E/mail from an obvious moron.
    Yet this ^(ABOVE)^ writer calls it an attack, to simply illustrate what can occur on any given day.My question is what does Erick get that we never see? How about a Greatest Hits/honor roll?
    C’mon, give us a Christmas Present,E E !! If only The Top Ten, it will be worth it. { pretty please,with a cherry on top?}

  • gekster

    Erick posts a hate letter from an RP loon, and you say it is a viscous and cowardly attack by Erick.

    I see you are another example of a Ron Paul loon.
    Do you have a shrine to RP in your basement.
    What do you think of RPs stance that it’s ok for Iran to have nukes, a country that praises the destruction of Isreal and the US,

  • jakeofalltrades

    Seeing as your entire comment is a non-sequitur. Erick said nothing about Ron Paul here. He was talking about his supporters.

    I suppose this is what we have to expect from a Ronulan.

  • APA Guy

    Like flies to a rib roast :)

  • APA Guy

    Like flies to a rib roast :)

  • jrfromdallas

    I couldn’t bring myself to post the link myself because Paul and his minions disgust me. I guess Charles Manson would have some supporters if he ran too.

  • Bill S

    He admitted it in his first RS comment. I doubt he’s terribly inclined to be charitable to anyone here.

  • federalfarmer1

    They are whackjobs. There is no excuse for supporting Paul when you have Gary Johnson, who is every bit as libertarian, a former governor, and no racist baggage.

    Gary Johnson should be out there running these attacks in Paul instead of dipping his toes into third party speculations. Paul has been successful because he stayed in the party. It adds credibility he doesnt deserve. The party should have stopped it and kicked him out.

  • gekster

    I would have used another material that draws flies,
    but we’ll leave it at rib raost.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt

  • acat

    It means that Ron Paul can’t jump back in front of one of the better organized of the “third parties” …

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You can’t vote for a “Domestic President” and a “Foreign Policy President” so if you’re “domestic” issues are all that important, just understand that a total international melt-down and a war in the middle east is the price you pay.

  • federalfarmer1

    As he hasn’t been included in any debates, but the one. But anybody who supports Paul over Johnson and knows Paul history is a loon.

    It’s for this reason I hoped Johnson campaign would do better. He has as much government and business experience as romney. He just proves you can’t be prochoice in the gop, which is a good thing. He should flipflop on it. Id probably support him if he did.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Lest it become trolltownhall.com.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    business end of a blam stick?

  • acat

    to be disconnected enough from Libertarian circles to not catch this….

    Red State is aware, and we’re not exactly Libertarian Central, eh?

    Mew

  • bk

    They’re as loony as the Ronulans, if not loonier.

  • jakeofalltrades

    n/sobriety

  • federalfarmer1

    And they often switch allegiance when I tell them about pauls racist newsletters. I haven’t been able to convert any to Newt though… Maybe if he adopts a legalization platform.

  • acat

    legalization. I’m sure, at some point, he has.. along with all the other ideas…

    Mew

  • Joshua Persons

    How sad is it that I know that?

  • Tbone

    After all, it could be from Barack Obama.

  • federalfarmer1

    I’m sure he’s commented on it some point. It’s worth the effort to knock off any support for Paul.

  • weyland

    I think that would be the Cambridge Tripos.

    Those in glass houses etc…

  • westcoastpatriette

    That must be interesting. Does she claim to be a prophet?

  • weyland

    How do we know the email came from a Paultard? He isn’t the only anti-semite in the world, you know.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Strange that such a historically rare gift would be used for such trivial purposes…

    And she was raised Methodist, so it makes even less sense. She has never been CoG or Pentecostal or 4-Square.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Newt can barely tolerate us mere-Mensa intelligences as it is… he’s probably in favor of making marijuana consumption a capital crime, lest the drooling masses be completely incapable of understanding the ideas he brings down the mount, Promethean.

  • weyland

    …it looks very much like the hate mail that they receive over at DKos. The only difference seems to be the absence of the usual homophobic bigotry.

    Is there really much we can learn from this kind of conversation?

  • Glaucon

    Well, it doesn’t get any worse than that for hate-filled rubbish. The person who wrote that is a truly sick individual…

    “I don?t know, but I bet whoever it is will be voting for Ron Paul.” – Erick

    “I’ll bet you $10,000 on that, Erick.” – Mitt Romney ;)

  • rudyardkipling

    Actually just read this last night–

    In 1981, Newt co-sponsored a medical marijuana bill with none other than Barney Frank.

    The article says his position on that issue (among others) has changed.

  • sailingaway

    In any event, he does nothing for me. Ron Paul, on the other hand, is pro-American sovereignty and pro civil liberties.

    But trolls can always pretend to be Ron Paul supporters. Some trolls may actually BE Ron Paul supporters. It doesn’t change who he is, himself.

  • sailingaway

    Most Ron Paul voters aren’t the pot smoking vote, and we know he isn’t racist.

  • sailingaway

    I really disagree. It sounds pretty low brow, to me.

  • federalfarmer1

    I’m genuinely curious.

  • acat

    Johnson ran as a Republican and won in a Blue state.
    Jonson ran for re-election and won in a Blue state. (unlike Willard)
    Johnson has the support of the pro-lifers in his state.
    Johnson has shrunk – in real dollars – the size of government in his state.

    That doesn’t look much like a liberal to me.

    Mew

  • federalfarmer1

    You are a kook.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    research. Which means one of a variety of things:

    ** You’re lazy.
    ** You’re stupid.
    ** You’re a racist bigot.
    ** You’re a troll.

    Those are the only choices, and my vote is for all three.

  • streiff

    thanks for playing, though.

  • theone3434

    he said that it should remain illegal and tried to put through a bill that would impose a life sentence or death penalty to anyone bringing over an ounce or more across the Mexican border. You should look up his recent stance on medical marijuana and legalization. As with several issues, Newt has changed his stance.

  • theone3434

    why give credence to this guy and post it on Redstate. You only encourage more idiots to send BS emails.

  • rudyardkipling

    I said his stance has changed, and linked to an article indicating he now says legalizing medical marijuana is a ‘terrible idea’.

    Also a terrible idea: the death penalty for bringing an ounce of marijuana into the country.

  • R. Clayton Strang

    that Ron Paul supporters’ priority is voting Obama out of office. I saw this on a Ron Paul supporting Facebook page:

    “Important Message from “The Ron Paul Supporters”: Dear Neocons. You can choose Obama or Ron Paul. That 2-5% you need to beat Obama will evaporate quickly when 12% of the Republican Party Write in Ron Paul. This is not a threat, it is a promise.”

    https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=liberty%20bell&init=quick&tas=0.9500423990773462#!/sharronliberty

    This post had a lot of “Like’s.” It seems as though his supporters are not unlike Obama supporters: They see him as their messiah, and are infuriated when we won’t comply with their demand that we shun all others and worship at his altar.

  • Tbone

    those are the posts.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Explain in your next post, please.

  • lizzie

    the late August Ron Paul attack on Rick Perry for having once attended the annual Bilderberg conference – which seems to be a casual form of Davos or Aspen Institute, once a year where interesting global leaders and intellectuals have discussions that are not recorded. I kept seeing that ‘Bilderberg Perry’ in Paulbot comment swarms at Commentary’s post on the RJC Forum, so I researched Bilderberg. Perry was invited once and thought it interesting (it was in Istanbul that year), but never got a second invitation. As governor of what is the 13th largest economy in the world, I the invite makes sense.

    The reason it is a Paul attack is that it fits in with the One World Global Conspiracy theory that comes from the Protocols. Same attack used to be Trilateral Commission (Bush41 really got hammered with that one).
    Trilateral conspiracy was usually tied in with the Rockefellers (secret Jews) run the world.

    Glad my earlier comment gave you a laugh – the law I cited is optional, only the number of optional times is mandatory by profession, but it certainly made me realize why Jewish boys at 13 are motivated to aspire to a high level of education.

    well, not enough PC buffer to re-enter The Candidate thread, but I was glad to see the Perry livestream in Waterloo tonight.

    One theme that is coming up about Ron Paul supporters is that they tend to be extremely tenacious, near fanatic. I doubt that is the real Libertarian base.
    I think it is the fringe subsets who see conspiracies everywhere.

    But, my brief encounter with some core Obama supporters in 2008 was very scary. Bullying, threatening physical violence – why I stopped using my real name and email anywhere online. Another reason why I think Ron Paul is attracting some of Obama’s base, especially those who bash Israel all the time.

    One of the founders of Code Pink is also a co-founder of Free Gaza.
    When the second Gaza flotilla was trying to set sail from Greece in 2011, Gov. Rick Perry wrote a letter to AG Holder asking him to enforce the Neutrality Act in the case of the American Gaza flotilla boat, and Holder HAD to stop Bill Ayers’ boat from participating.

  • weyland

    …but being an alum, I take umbrage when Oxford is confused with the ‘other place’.

  • weyland

    The wit, the wit… keep ‘em coming!

  • gekster

    What is your purpose on this site.
    Just a fair question.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Thank you for clarifying. :)

  • weyland

    …I must have missed the array of ‘What Purpose Do You Serve?’ checkboxes when I signed up. Which boxes did you tick when you joined?

  • gekster

    I posted “just a fair question”.
    No need to answer,
    or get snitty.

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    It’s pretty easy to prove that Ron Paul is a crazy loon–there was that one debate a week ago or so. Ron Paul needs his meds checked regularly.

  • wheelworker

    Erick didn’t say “Ron Paul Supporter, Is That You?” He said, “Ron Paul, Is That You?”

    Clearly he was making a joke that someone obviously frothing with hatred against Jews (the email) was equivalent to Ron Paul’s Mideast policy. I felt it was a shockingly unfair and dishonest comparison, essentially calling Ron Paul an anti-Semite.

    And yes, I am a person of the left. Proud of it. I come here out of anthropological interest to study the strange world of the conservative mind.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    When you float the idea that the Fed killed Kennedy, you’re the poster boy for Risperidone.

  • westcoastpatriette

    and you won’t last long. And you are not qualified to study any of us as doing so requires the ability to be honest and see clearly.

  • Bill S

    .

  • APA Guy

    …because a liberal’s vocabulary is not able to process the words responsibility, God and accountability. At least Ron “Marvin the Martian” Paul gets that far into the world of reality.

  • APA Guy

    …because a liberal’s vocabulary is not able to process the words responsibility, God and accountability. At least Ron “Marvin the Martian” Paul gets that far into the world of reality.

  • gabs

    he knows he won’t win but the only way for him to get any of his message out is to stop expecting to do so in the context of the Republican Primary.

  • jakeofalltrades

    A) You’re a leftist because you are young and don’t know any better – please feel free to quietly read here to educate yourself.

    B) You’re an older leftist because you never learned basic human nature to the point that you can understand why giving everything away for free doesn’t work; this is caused by denial. If this is so, then there is no hope for you, and you should leave now.

  • heraklios

    Gary Johnson governed successfully for two terms in New Mexico, has a record and experience, and appeals to a broader center-right coalition than most of the other candidates in the race, especially Mitt Romney, Assuming he received the Libertarian Party nod, this is a major problem for the GOP. A signficant portion of Ron Paul’s supporters, as well as other disgruntled conservatives (especially if Romney is the nominee) will vote Libertarian in November. If the race is Obama/Romney/Johnson, I can easily see Johnson getting 10% with a disproportionate amount of this coming from voters who support the GOP more times than not. If another small government Republican wins (like Perry), then Johnson’s support vanishes and we have a real shot of beating Obama.

    I think the writing is on the wall. The GOP knows what it needs to do to win in November. Knowing all this, if we nominate Mittens anyway, then we deserve what’s coming to us.

  • heraklios

    Gary Johnson governed successfully for two terms in New Mexico, has a record and experience, and appeals to a broader center-right coalition than most of the other candidates in the race, especially Mitt Romney, Assuming he received the Libertarian Party nod, this is a major problem for the GOP. A signficant portion of Ron Paul’s supporters, as well as other disgruntled conservatives (especially if Romney is the nominee) will vote Libertarian in November. If the race is Obama/Romney/Johnson, I can easily see Johnson getting 10% with a disproportionate amount of this coming from voters who support the GOP more times than not. If another small government Republican wins (like Perry), then Johnson’s support vanishes and we have a real shot of beating Obama.

    I think the writing is on the wall. The GOP knows what it needs to do to win in November. Knowing all this, if we nominate Mittens anyway, then we deserve what’s coming to us.

  • gabs

    To let him participate in debates and so forth. If Paul was allowed to, why not Johnson, who doesn’t have people calling him crazy from every end of the political spectrum? It wouldn’t mean the party agrees with everything he says any more than the party agrees with Paul and would have created some worthwhile debate, especially considering his record in NM. The key issue is the economy and his success in NM makes him deserving of a place at the table. Paul can’t say the same, and he’s like gum on the bottom of a shoe – can’t be gotten rid of.

  • wheelworker

    “B) You?re an older leftist because you never learned basic human nature to the point that you can understand why giving everything away for free doesn?t work; this is caused by denial. If this is so, then there is no hope for you, and you should leave now.”

    I’m mid-30s. Alas, I suppose I qualify as an older leftist. To be specific, a democratic socialist along the lines of Bernie Sanders. Seems to me that the Scandinavian model of a robust public sector complimenting and supporting an active private sector works quite well given the high level of health, education, and happiness of the people in those countries. We could learn a lot from that model. Human nature can be selfish, as you conservatives point out, but yet you deny the fact that human beings can also come together to plan for the future in a positive way (beyond just military preparedness). There are many constructive examples of societies planning in the public sector a better model for health care, environmental responsibility, education,etc. Don’t be afraid. There is a difference between Norway and North Korea.

  • johnt

    I think it would take a little more to place me in a glass house. However, if you have a problem with the gist of my post, or any other posts that I do please feel free to jump in.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Have you ever heard of the US Constitution? Have you ever heard anyone say that socialism is–among other things, fundamentally unconstitutuonal? It is evil to take from those who have and give to those who don’t–and that is exactly what has to happen to create the utopia you think you believe in. It has never worked and it is foreign to the principles that our Constitutional Republic were founded upon.

    But then, I know socialists don’t think they should allow an outdated thing like the Constitution prevent them from forcing socialism on the rest of us. Because you are so deceived that you think you can dictate what the rest of us should be doing with our lives and our money.

    So, no, wheelworker, we are not afraid of you, we just have no intention of allowing you to confiscate our hard-earned property so that you can force your phony utopia on us.