Is Rick Santorum Familiar With the Job Description for President?


Image descriptionIt is not the first time in the past few days Rick Santorum has said it and Iit is worth pointing out that what RIck Santorum is saying is not only wrong, but really wrong.

Santorum has taken to contrasting himself with Romney by saying

“We’re not looking for a chief executive officer. We’re looking for a commander in chief.”

According to Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

Certainly he is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military, but for the nation as a whole, he is the Chief Executive.

In fact, the very first clause of the first section of Article II of the Constitution outlines that the President is the Chief Executive and it is section 2 of Article II that outlines what those executive powers entail, among them being “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.”

What I find most fascinating about all of this is Rick Santorum is running for President of the United States in a year when there are millions of Americans out of work or underemployed and he thinks America does not want a Chief Executive, but rather a Commander-in-Chief of the military.

He’s either tone deaf or not being advised well on the campaign trail that his cute contrast with Mitt Romney isn’t even true.


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What has he done?

thosjefferson Monday, January 2nd at 2:16PM EDT (link)

Excellent point, Erick. Santorum is a professional politician and a lawyer. You’d think he would know what the President is supposed to do.

Santorum has never worked in the real world. He’s been in politics all his life. Pretty much just like the current occupant of the White House.

Republicans would be crazy to nominate yet another professional politician.

From the Washington Post:

The last thing the Obama forces want is a quick knockout victory for Romney, which becomes much more likely with an Iowa win. They want him bloody, broke and dazed when he eventually wins the nomination and weak in the face of an Obama first strike.

There are two schools of thought

Ed54 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:34PM EDT (link)

on that argument from the Washington Post. The first is that it’s better to have a quick and painless primary, so the nominee is unbloodied, well funded, and ready for the general election. The second is that a competitive primary toughens up the eventual nominee and innoclates him against many attacks by getting them aired early. In other words, better a February surprise than an October surprise.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

 

Further, I'm not so sure

Ed54 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:40PM EDT (link)

that the Obama campaign benefits more from a bloody primary than a bloodless one. Romney’s big problem so far has been his inability to win over the party base. IMO he stands a better chance of eventually getting support from the base if he beats the field decisively in head to head matchups. If he cruises to the nomination, that just feeds the storyline that he was preemtively declared the nominee by the party elite and that the primary was fixed.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

Both comments are right on the money Ed54.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:42PM EDT (link)

Agreed, both comments spot on.

texasref (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:01PM EDT (link)

Romney needs all the help he can get. A contested primary is critical. Make him earn it. He’ll never earn my vote pre-convention. But if he manages to pull the wool over the primary electorate’s eyes then he is by far the lesser of the two general election evils.

“The medical director who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin found only two injuries on his body: the gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles. Welcome to the Duke lacrosse case all over again.”–Rush Limbaugh, 5-16-12

Next Step: Docket Sounding on 8-8-12
Final Step: Verdict of Not Guilty

 
 

Dems and Mit is pouring money for

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 4:12PM EDT (link)

“Santorum who?” to keep him in the race to stop Perry. It is so upsetting what msm is doing to Perry.MSM and Rep. establishment are doing everything to stop Perry. Sadly, this is what Dems also want, The Dems DO NOT want to run against Rick Perry (witness what the WH has been doing to TX). How could they possibly put his record up against Obama’s? No debates needed – facts are facts. There are no videos out there of Perry changing positions over and over. Now at the last 2 days they pull a trick and promoting Santorum who?? He is all over the TV and nothing is said about Perry and the crowds he is getting everywhere he goes. For God’s sake there is no news about the huge rally he has tonight with all his endorsers.

Nancy, Rick's real enemy

flgal208 Monday, January 2nd at 5:19PM EDT (link)

is FNC and the GOP establishment. The MSM isn’t ignoring him (and who cares if they are, they’re in the tank for BO), it’s FNC who’s driving that train. When Roger Ailes meets with CHris Christie and 2 days later he endorses Mitt, you know the race is fixed. If FNC is Fair & Balanced, then why in the world should the CEO meet with ANY candidate or one considering running? It’s unseemly, like your lawyer meeting with your opponent in secret without your knowledge.

I’m not sure if the FNC/GOP is afraid of Rick because he would shake things up and the GOP could lose power in DC (establishment want BIG government as much as the DEM’s because it’s all about power) OR they wrongly think that Milktoast is how to get the center…problem is 1) Reagan was no milktoast who ran against a socialist 2) Milktoast doesn’t get the base fired up 3) If there isn’t a big enough contrast, then the center will stay home NOT go to the polls to vote for BO

Anyway, their formula is to build up the candidates until they get even with Romney EXCEPT the two Governors who out govern him and then tear each one down if they get close….

Watch, IF Santorum finishes 1st or 2nd, he will start getting trashed. THEN when Huntsman starts giving Romney a run for his money in NH, they will pay attention to Huntsman and tear him down…

So, maybe it’s not such a bad thing for Perry to be ignored because once he takes SC and looks to FL, they will descend like locust and try to destroy Perry…

Perry has no chance in SC

mccoypauley Monday, January 2nd at 9:19PM EDT (link)

If he doesn’t win, place or show in the first two states.

This thing is probably over tomorrow night.

If Romney finishes 1st or second, he’s going to be the nominee.

Even if Perry was able to get 3rd in Iowa, he’d need to repeat or better that in NH to have an outside chance at SC.

Perry does have a chance in S.C.

Lesstressrx (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:27PM EDT (link)

You’ve been listening too much to the media. You repeated exactly what I heard today. They said that is how the history stands. Well, 2012 will hope history doesn’t repeat itself.

When I wish upon a star...

mccoypauley Monday, January 2nd at 10:42PM EDT (link)

What chance does he have? Explain how you think that he is going to get any of the sideline donor money if he bombs in the first two states? That money will move to Paul if he wins, or Romney if he places 1st or second.

Tomorrow is a big night for 2 candidates. Paul and Perry. One (or both) of them is probably done after tomorrow night.

Sure, they will stay in until SC, but they will have no chance of winning.

Iowa is that important. NH nearly as much so.

wrong, IOWA isn't a big

flgal208 Tuesday, January 3rd at 8:06PM EDT (link)

deal any more since Paul has mucked things up. Also, Whomever finishes 4th, it’s equal to 3rd because you have to discount Paul. He has the least chance of winning of all the candidates. His Iran stance sunk him, plus he pulls in more DEM’s than Pubs. NH is the same and jobs aren’t so important in IA & NH…SC is where the race really starts and how Perry finishes in SC, is the key. SC wants to hear about jobs jobs jobs and FL wants to hear about jobs SS jobs SS jobs SS…What Perry has going for him in SC & Fl is 1) Willard is a Yank and a “blueblood” 2) Willard is a mormon which matters to the Baptist belt 3) Florida has the second most military bases and if you don’t think that doesn’t matter, you’d be wrong. No, it doesn’t matter much in the southern counties, but it sure matters in the other 63 4) Willard has said he wants to ship ALL illegals out, that won’t go over well in the bottom half of FL, not to mention it’s so illogical to be laughable 5) Texas tax payers voted for illegals who attend at least 3 years of TX high school and graduate, can PAY for in-state tuition…this will appeal to the millions of people here from the Caribbean who came here illegally. Perry isn’t for amnesty, which is important, too
with that said, if Perry finishes last in IA & NH, that could be a direct hit…however, I think people would then jump to whomever else is still standing because the idea of ANOTHER coronation, will irk the heck out of most people and they could push back, hard and revolt.

 
 
 
 

figal & Nancy

Lesstressrx (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:31PM EDT (link)

I couldn’t have said it better myself. FNC is the worse. Fair and Balanced is changing.

You are right - FNC is awful.

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 9:52PM EDT (link)

The 5 were talking tonight about the IOWA race and Eric Bolling mentioned Rick Perry and Dana quickly corrected him and said “You mean Rick Santorum”. So the fix is in and I am disgusted with all of them. They are out to get Perry and Chris Wallace is the worst.

 
 
 
 
 

Erick, I think the operative word here is "officer"

throwback59 Monday, January 2nd at 2:32PM EDT (link)

The President is the Chief Executive, not the Chief Executive Officer which
I believe Santorum meant as a corporation head, someone reports to a board of directors. A small but significant difference which I believe allows us to cut Rick some slack.

Begging the Question

geotan Monday, January 2nd at 2:39PM EDT (link)

Don’t see the difference. Erick’s point is well made. The President is a Chief Executive reporting to the American People. The main point of Erick’s article is that the President is first a Chief Executive over the government with the economic policies and management being of chief concern over the Commander In Chief role.

 

A CEO has oversight the same as a President does

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:44PM EDT (link)

Consider the Congress the Board.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

CEO has broad legislative power

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 3:53PM EDT (link)

I think Santorum got this wrong less than Erick has.

Board has oversight, but CEO has legislative power, including budgetary power. Board is more like a permanent advisory board and electoral college.

I for one am tired of all presidential candidates speaking of what they’re going to do, when all they can lawfully do is propose and cajole Congress to do it.

Romney and Perry’s experience as governors is what gives them the edge, in this respect. Romney’s experience as a CEO may be helpful, may not.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

All true points but I still believe what Santorum

throwback59 Monday, January 2nd at 4:34PM EDT (link)

was trying to say is that we don’t want a corporate executive in the WH.

No We Want A Career Politician in W.H.!

geotan Monday, January 2nd at 9:41PM EDT (link)

I don’t recall the last time we had a corporate executive like Romney in the White House. I think in this troubled economy that this may be the greatest idea there is. Let’s give a businessman an opportunity to face an economic crisis rather than a career politician like Senator Santorum who couldn’t run a corner store let alone the US Economy. We tried this with Obama and we don’t want Santorum to stikeout also. No, let’s welcome the Chief Executives who also understand politics. Romney is the right person for all Americans at this time.

 
 
 
 

In the military we used to call this the difference

deanfromohio Monday, January 2nd at 4:59PM EDT (link)

… between a manager and a leader. A manager shuffles things; a leader inspires people. Put another way, a manager would never pick up Thor’s hammer to use it; he would want to inventory it.

Beyond that, I agree with elayman — let’s not put too fine a point on it.

 

definition of "Officer"

Ed54 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:17PM EDT (link)

From Websters:

“One who holds an office of authority or trust in an organization, such as a corporation or government.”

Chief Executive and Chief Executive Officer are the same thing.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

I think you're all missing Santorum's point - the public's understanding of a CEO is different

reddog53 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 8:25PM EDT (link)

He’s commenting on the difference between the public’s understanding of a CEO and properly contrasting that to the role of the Commander in Chief.

A CEO is popularly portrayed as the agent of the Board of Directors! And in this era of the 99%, their focus is typically on share value and wealth, particularly their own and those of major shareholders. I’ve never accepted the logic of Congress = Board of Directors, but there are some surface similarities. In our current mode, CEOs are also driven by short term profits and the consensus of Wall Street analysts. More than ever, they are also attuned to lobbying and “crony capitalism” or any other means that further the narrow interests of their company

A Commander In Chief is someone charged with defense of the Nation — largely apart from issues of wealth. Defense is life or death, not simply profit or loss. Commanders in Chief are also by nature worried about the long term– the whole notion of winning the battle but losing the war and vice versa come to mind.

Surface appearances to the contrary a corporate CEO is not the same as a Commander in Chief or for that matter, the Chief Executive of a nation.

 
 

CEO is a manager

robbysh Monday, January 2nd at 8:33PM EDT (link)

The President is our chief magistrate, our governor-general/commander-in-chief. We have no equivalent to the French premier, who is a kind of CEO. I think Santorum is thinking that few CEOs are like Steve Jobs, and that Romney was not one either.

 
 

We get it,...

briefsynopsis (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:32PM EDT (link)

We are now RomeyState.com

We are past the point of splitting hairs and have entered a full fledged assault against anyone not named Romney.

Your endorsement is noted,

Have you Hugged a “Special Operations Warrior” today?

In the annals of RedState

Erick Erickson (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:40PM EDT (link)

This may go down as the stupidest, most ill informed comment in the history of the site.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Much as I hate to disagree with you, Erick...

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:47PM EDT (link)

…I would like to point out that at no time did this poor, unfortunate soul reference international Jewish conspiracies. So he’s got that keeping him from the Abyss of Idiocy, at least.

 

5 What happened to Perrystate.

gekster (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:57PM EDT (link)

Just when was the switchover.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Please EE you are a bit obvious with your personal feelings for Santorum

tomatin Monday, January 2nd at 3:02PM EDT (link)

or whoever else challenges Perry.

Maybe it was the Vander Plaat - Duggar endorsement

sunshinek67 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 3:11PM EDT (link)

that pushed him off the cliff. Huckabee 2.0

btw, aren’t you just loving Mr Erickson’s non-endorsement endorsement? I know I sure am.

The Duggars endorsed Huckabee in 2008.

louisianapatriette (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:27PM EDT (link)

I love love LOVE the Duggars but this is disappointing to the extreme. It’s like these people look at Santorum (or Huckabee) and decides, “Oh, he’s pro-life, he must be conservative.” Does no one look at his fiscal record???? Just because you’re 100% pro-life does NOT mean you’re 100% conservative!

National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.

@LAPatriette

Santorum gets reality t.v. family endorsement

sunshinek67 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 8:32PM EDT (link)

that about sums it up.

 
 
 

Perry will get less than 10%

Kayla Monday, January 2nd at 3:46PM EDT (link)

Most of the voters for Perry & Gringich will go to Santorum. People want to hang out with a winner.

Then Santorum will underperform

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 3:51PM EDT (link)

In terms of actually accomplishing things, Santorum is below Perry and Newt.

Santorum is not going to attract tea party support unless the people are unfamiliar with his record. Santorum is terrible on spending, a key issue in 2012.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

Santy is a joke

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 4:32PM EDT (link)

I never took him seriuosly. The guy lost his senate seat by 18% , is not honest , a slick politician and has no executive experience .

Nancy, good point

charlemagne1979 Monday, January 2nd at 4:38PM EDT (link)

You can’t win your own state, highly unlikely you will win the presidency. When was the last time a candidate running for president lost his own home state and won? I doubt Santorum will win his.

 
 
 
 

Romney supporters completely agree

bdirks Monday, January 2nd at 3:33PM EDT (link)

With Erick, that is.

 

Eric, Santorum-bashing may help Romney more than Perry

David123 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:18PM EDT (link)

1. A vote Santorum gets doesn’t necessarily come from Perry – it could come from Bachman, Gingrich, or even Romney himself. If it’s a four-man race after Iowa, [Perry, Romney, Santorum, Paul], Perry’s path to the nomination is clearer.

2. If Santorum does manage to go the distance himself, he’d make a good conservative president.

3. If Santorum can’t go the distance, he’s more likely to endorse Perry and give his delegates to Perry, if Perry and his supporters haven’t been bashing him excessively. The better Santorum does in Iowa, the more delegates he’ll have to give to Perry.

4. Santorum is a great insurance-candidate, in case Perry drops out.

5. Perry and Santorum share many of the same positive attributes. Both have been more reliably conservative than Romney.

David123

First hint - it's Erick. Second hint - no, Santorum is not a conservative, he's a pro-life statist.

acat (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:20PM EDT (link)

This simple fact invalidates your points 2 thru 5 completely.

Mew

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Santorum

thirstyboots Monday, January 2nd at 4:21PM EDT (link)

The same guy who supported every big government item of George W Bush agenda would make a good conservative president?

Why? Because of his strong Christian beliefs?

A socialist Christian is still a socialist. I’d rather take a conservative Muslim over Santorum.

 

Comparing Santy with Perry??

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 4:35PM EDT (link)

are you kidding me? Governor Perry has been the 800 pound political gorilla since he even thought about getting in – because of PROVEN CONSERVATIVE GOVERNANCE, the Texas record on jobs, and his electoral success (i.e. never lost one). Santy who? has 0 record and lost his seat with 18% , the biggest margin loss in the history of senate race.

 

Santorum

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 9:58PM EDT (link)

would likely endorse Romney. He was not attacking Romney, he was attacking Perry in the debates. Plus Romney may have promised him a position if he could keep Perry off of him.

 
 

First off,...

briefsynopsis (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 11:02AM EDT (link)

My apology to the Romney supporters for bringing their candidate into this.

Second, I have been a member of this site for 6+ years, perhaps longer.

Third, (Yes, I remember what my third point is),..This is your site. Sometimes we out here forget that and think of it as “our” site.

Erick,… It gets very aggravating having you attack candidates. Attack may be a harsh word, but that is the perception from where I sit and read. Tearing the message to tiny shreds is fair game, but tearing the candidate to shreds is off-putting.
The traction Ron Paul is gaining is due in no small part to the cult of personality we are under in this celebrity obsessed culture. He and his supporters may not be in the mainstream of what we all believe, but deriding them only serves to alienate them from the greater cause, which I believe is getting a different President elected. Yet, in the long run, wouldn’t even Ron Paul would be better then Obama?

I do not expect you to “punch down” and reply again to this post, that’s what your down-line of surrogates are for,… but perceptions paint reality, and the attacks on individuals we have witnessed this primary session may very well be convincing some to be swayed in opinion, but for the most part they just lower the conversation into verbal brawls which then leads to entrenchment.

Have you Hugged a “Special Operations Warrior” today?

 
 

Romney Certainly Has Not Been Hurt

btpull Monday, January 2nd at 3:29PM EDT (link)

Everyone, except Huntsman, has had their chance to be the anti-Romney and get the anti-anti Romney beat-down. Meanwhile Romney just cruses along with a good chance of wrapping this up in SC or FL.

What we do not know is if a candidate gets a second chance of being the anti-Romney or will the voters decide it is pointless to continue the fight and fall in behind Romney? At some point the interest will shift to fighting Obama from fighting each other.

Everyone, btpull? When was Buddy Roemer's chance?

acat (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:22PM EDT (link)

Heck, when was Gary Johnson’s chance?

Romney is not going to do well in Florida, a State that elected the ultimate outsider to Governor and a hardcore conservative to the Senate.

Mew

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The Romney - Rubio Connection

btpull Monday, January 2nd at 4:50PM EDT (link)

“There’s also a trail of fundraisers, donors and consultants who have overlapping relationships with Rubio and Romney.”

http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/10/will-marco-rubio-endorse-mitt-romney.html

You have to admit Romney knows what he is doing.

Johnson has switched to the Libertarian Party so he might get his anti-Romney chance, yet.

 

FOX pundits are already trying to connect Romney up with Rubio

oldlady Monday, January 2nd at 5:52PM EDT (link)

obviously to try to help him win the primary in Florida. Krauthammer started it off by saying that the Republican ticket is going to be Romney/Rubio. Now the rest of the FOX pundits including Dana Perino, et al are quoting this as though it is already a done deal. This is only to plant the thought in the Florida voters ahead of the Florida primaries to help give Romney a boost.

FOX has been absolutely shameless in how they have been steering this primary election to an ultimate Romney victory. From their total ”Perry blackout” to their boosting of Bachmann and Sanatorum to split votes that would otherwise be Perry’s in Iowa. They have been doing everything they can to suppress Perry’s chances of winning this thing. It’s been totally disgusting!

It seems Romney set Rubio up with his fund raising connections

btpull Monday, January 2nd at 6:10PM EDT (link)

Now its time for Romney to call in the favor. I wonder how many tea party type of candidates Romney helped out last year. This would explain Nikki Haley’s Romney endorsement.

Rubio

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 10:02PM EDT (link)

I really really like Rubio. He is articulate and sharp. However, his parents were not citizens, when Rubio was born here in the states.

Does that make Rubio an anchor baby, greyeagle?

acat (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 12:36AM EDT (link)

I’ll bow to the wisdom of any of the lawyers on this, but .. the way I understand the law as currently interpreted is .. anyone who’s born here is a natural born citizen, regardless of their parents’ immigration status.

Therefore, Rubio is a natural born citizen.

Mew

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No, you're perfectly correct, acat.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 12:47AM EDT (link)

And we’re pure hell on Birthers here – people really want to click that link – so everybody keep that in mind.

too bad there is not a family friendly version

Ed54 (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 3:39PM EDT (link)

of the justxxxxxxxgoogleit link that we could post when people assert things that are easily refuted statements of fact, such as questioning Rubio’s citizenship status.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

What has been suggested, Ed54, is to write a diary...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 4:03PM EDT (link)

that completely demolishes the idea, then when some idiot brings up the stupid, just link to it.

izoneguy did something similar for most of the Rick Perry stupid, see his diary here.

Nothing stopping either of us from doing the same, eh?

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Not Bad Just Real Politik

geotan Monday, January 2nd at 9:51PM EDT (link)

How is being a better strategist, pragmatist, and tactician shameless? Perry could have achieved the same result if he had the competent team he needed and was himself a good candidate. At least Texas will have their cherished Governor for a few more years.

 
 
 

Wait until NH, then Huntsman

flgal208 Monday, January 2nd at 5:28PM EDT (link)

will get the smackdown because he’s the closest to Romney in governing style and when he starts going toe-to-toe, FNC will pull out their oh-so-smart analysts to point out his every flaw…

We need to ignore ALL candidates EXCEPT Romney. He’s the “enemy” —FNC will do all the trashing of the other candidates for us and then when Perry rises, they will go after him with a vengeance…

Huntsman better hurry up

btpull Monday, January 2nd at 5:43PM EDT (link)

He is only at 10% in NH compared to Romney’s 40%.

 
 
 

First day on RedState?

Ed54 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:14PM EDT (link)

nt

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

And likely his last.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:20PM EDT (link)

Who made you the RedState Censor?

geotan Monday, January 2nd at 9:54PM EDT (link)

Why don’t you mind your own business or use your brain instead of constantly hoping for people to be banned from a public forum? Sounds quite Communist to me.

Nobody, and I'm not.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 10:07PM EDT (link)

Just a comment about a pathetic post/poster. I don’t expect he’ll get banned, I’d be shocked if he did. After his first comment, I kind of expect he’ll fade away in embarrassment. Kind of like you should have.

Change

Well To Each His Own.

geotan Tuesday, January 3rd at 12:35AM EDT (link)

I still think we should be more tolerant of eachother. Afterall, we all want conservative principles to reign.

Anyone who has read RedState at all

Ed54 (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 3:35PM EDT (link)

knows that Erick Erickson is a self-declared Perry supporter and is strongly opposed to Romney. About every 2 days he posts another anti-Romney article on the RedState front page. Frankly, anyone stupid or lazy enough to come on and accuse him of being a Romney supporter without checking his diary history is unlikely to do much to further the reign of conservative principles. Tolerance is great, but one of the things that separates us from the Liberal idiots over at Kos is that we actually apply some rigor to our discussions.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

 

In your world "tolerance" == "utter stupidity".

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 3:43PM EDT (link)

And when you tolerate utter stupidity you end up with nothing. See US public schools, colleges and universities for starters.

Change

 
 
 
 
 
 

I think you meant to post this at foxnews.com

rogershru2 (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 12:07AM EDT (link)

nt

“We used to have the best infrastructure in the world here in America. We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad …” – President Obama

 
 

I got this in a email from Steve Forbes

center77 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 2:38PM EDT (link)

Dear Friend and Supporter.

There is no question that all Conservatives are united in their unwavering goal of defeating Barack Obama this November. The problem has been that Conservatives haven’t been united on who the best candidate to defeat Obama might be.

I’m afraid that the results from the Iowa Caucuses in less than two days will still show Conservatives fractured in their support, leaving a huge opening for Mitt Romney to become our party’s nominee.

While I’m not sure of the order in which they will finish on Tuesday night, based on what I’ve seen it is clear that Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum will be the top four finishers in the Caucuses.

And let me be blunt, facing Paul and/or Santorum would be a dream come true for the Romney high command.

We all know that Ron Paul can’t stop Mitt Romney. Romney’s campaign will focus on certain of Paul’s past positions and his strange willingness to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons. All this makes a Paul victory absolutely impossible.

And while Rick Santorum is the latest in a long line of candidates to get a temporary surge, he has only begun to get vetted by the national media and his opponents. He will be constantly forced to defend his inexcusable addiction to earmarks including projects like the “Bridge to Nowhere”. And no one has yet to scratch the surface on his unqualified support and endorsement of the liberal, pro-abortion former Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter over true conservative Pat Toomey in the 2004 GOP primary for U.S. Senate. Santorum’s support for Specter enabled Specter to win a narrow victory, by a bare 20,000 votes. Specter then provided the critical, 60th vote for the passage of Obamacare and Obama’s budget busting, Economic Stimulus package, which is ballooning our national debt. Please ponder this: if Specter had been defeated we never would have had Obamacare.

Bottom line — There is only ONE consistent conservative that can go toe to toe with Romney and win the nomination — Rick Perry.

We all know that Rick is a consistent conservative and Washington outsider — a man of faith who isn’t afraid to stand up to the liberal establishment to protect our values. I’ve supported him all along because of his outstanding decade- long record and bold positions: creating more than a million new jobs in Texas; his plan to establish a 20% flat tax to do away with the IRS as we know it; and his plan to overhaul Washington by cutting Congress’ pay and sending them home. This is the type of leadership we desperately need to reverse the Obama deficit-spending fueled recession.

But as important as his record, beliefs and proposals is that Rick Perry has proven he can raise the money necessary to compete with Romney. He already has an impressive war chest. And he has the necessary national organization for a long campaign.

If we as Conservatives don’t want a repeat of 2008, and are serious about nominating a true Conservative as our nominee, then the time is upon us to unite behind the VIABLE Conservative, the CONSISTENT Conservative — Rick Perry.

Steve

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

thank you Steve Forbes

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 4:40PM EDT (link)

well done!

 

Thank you for posting that...

pj2012 Monday, January 2nd at 5:06PM EDT (link)

statement from Steve… it’s so true… Perry is the only one that can defeat Romney and Romney knows it!!

Well said pj2012 AND Steve Forbes...

oldlady Monday, January 2nd at 6:03PM EDT (link)

This is why FOX News, which is in the tank for Romney, has done everything they can to suppross the vote for Perry.

Yes... that media blackout on Perry...

pj2012 Monday, January 2nd at 6:48PM EDT (link)

will backfire on Fox… I just feel it. Perry’s working under the radar. His Iowa ground game and large crowds are telling a different story than the poll numbers. Perry the dark horse in Iowa will emerge victorious. They have a new ad up hitting Santorum, and it appears Ron Paul’s supporters are doing robo calls hitting Santorum hard.

 
 
 

also... did you hear this?

pj2012 Monday, January 2nd at 5:27PM EDT (link)

Rick Perry joined on stump today by Navy SEAL he helped – Glen Johnson, Boston Globe Staff http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/01/rick-perry-joined-stump-today-navy-seal-helped/n8PLS8dZ5TXdyIkjxWWXFI/index.html

Thank you and god bless Marcus Luttrell and Steve Forbes!

 
 

Speaking metaphorically

elayman Monday, January 2nd at 2:43PM EDT (link)

Santorum was having a bit of fun with inflammatory rhetoric to draw a red line between his national security credentials against Romney’s high powered technocrat CEO instincts I wouldn’t put too fine a point on it, really. At least this line of attack was more effective than his speech comparing himself to Winston Churchill, lol

 

Interesting that Forbes does not mention Newt..

david1313 Monday, January 2nd at 2:53PM EDT (link)

It is interesting because he knows that Newt is the one that Romney fears the most. Look at the money he has spent knocking him down. Mitt better hope his plan worked, if not Newt will mop the floor with him and I will enjoy it.

Newt doesn't have the money or the national ground game

oldlady Monday, January 2nd at 5:59PM EDT (link)

that Perry has to beat Perry and Forbes knows it.

 
 

I liked this site better when it was Fredstate

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 3:56PM EDT (link)

At least then–four years ago–I was cheering the frontpage. Now this old Fredhead and new Santorum supporter is feeling so unloved. :(

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Amen, brother

mong001 Monday, January 2nd at 5:15PM EDT (link)

from a former Fredhead and long-time Santorum supporter.

 
 

Perhaps Santorum is wrong...

PSDA (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:05PM EDT (link)

Perhaps, but I’d be interested in hearing Rick Perry name three of the duties that are part of the job description of President.

The tension and suspense would be high, but if he could get through it, I’d give him a second look.

I'd also like to know what states he couldn't qualify for.

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:28PM EDT (link)

Perry had the resources, and dropped the ball in Va. Among those who didn’t qualify, his failure was most telling.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

I never understood why Perry did Not go for 15,000 signatures in VA

btpull Monday, January 2nd at 5:18PM EDT (link)

The candidates were warned not to get the minimum. The court case that changed “the rules” was the result of a long standing political feud. His campaign should have seen it coming and should have had the resources to avoid the problem.

Perry

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 10:13PM EDT (link)

turned in 11,900 signatures. 50% were tossed. That is extremely high. I have not heard why they were tossed. Pauls and Romneys were not vetted. The GOP changed the rules in November after the signatures were being collected. They required the voters to sign a loyalty oath, which is against the State Election laws. Apparently this knocked out a lot of signatures. Newt was also caught. Romney and Paul have been running for 5 years, so have extensive lists. Romney’s state Chairman is the Lt. Governor. McDonnell is also for Romney. So the voters in VA will only be able to vote for Paul or Romney. The GOP there really messed this up.

 
 
 
 

New Video hitting Santorum

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 4:18PM EDT (link)

from Perry. This is my first time trying to embed. If it doesn’t work here’s the address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6XCZz2X1Y&feature=youtu.be

Debt Ceiling

bdirks Monday, January 2nd at 4:37PM EDT (link)

Here we go again.

Does Perry have a plan to cut spending or raise revenues by $1.5 trillion in his first 6 months in office? If so he needs to put it on the table, and if not, he needs to quit spouting this gimmick that somehow he will be the president who will never raise the debt limit.

This is just like his flat tax and part-time Congress plan: a gimmick that makes for a decent commercial but that he lacks the intellectual curiosity, discipline, or basic understanding of the federal government to ever implement.

Vote for Rick Perry if you think he is the best candidate in the field for job creation and economic recovery. It’s hard to argue that he has had the most success in that field. He is also doing an excellent job telling social conservatives exactly what they want to hear. But if you are buying into him based off these poll tested promises, prepare to be disappointed.

Perry's polling numbers don't look promising

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:44PM EDT (link)

When he announced, he got favorable press, had alot of money, and some enthusiasm. I was mildly supportive. Initially he moved into a virtual tie nationwide against Obama, then he collapsed as the people got to know him better through his debate performances.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_perry_vs_obama-2701.html

Now the only candidate who fares worse than him in a head-to-head match-up is Michele Bachmann.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Obama NEVER ran this strongly in polling against McCain in 2008.

I’d actually like to win this year. No to Perry.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

"I’d actually like to win this year."

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 5:00PM EDT (link)

So voting for Santorum achieves this how? The media has only begun to scratch Santorum’s surface. He will never survive the general election. Santorum is very rude and mean. He’s said some very ugly things about minorities and women (I’m both) that were uncalled for, all which are on video. Santorum will go no further than Iowa.

Minorities, such as gays?

robbysh Monday, January 2nd at 8:45PM EDT (link)

Santorum caught heck for speaking of homosexuality and bestiality in the same breathe. Never mind that he was reminding us that sodomy as defined by law has always included bestiality. He also reminded us that if gays are allowed to marry, then there is no logical reason to rule out polygamy or incest.

ok, sodomy = bestiality...got that

texasref (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 8:48PM EDT (link)

Thanks for stopping by.

“The medical director who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin found only two injuries on his body: the gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles. Welcome to the Duke lacrosse case all over again.”–Rush Limbaugh, 5-16-12

Next Step: Docket Sounding on 8-8-12
Final Step: Verdict of Not Guilty

 
 
 

"I’d actually like to win this year."

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 5:00PM EDT (link)

So voting for Santorum achieves this how? The media has only begun to scratch Santorum’s surface. He will never survive the general election. Santorum is very rude and mean. He’s said some very ugly things about minorities and women (I’m both) that were uncalled for, all which are on video. Santorum will go no further than Iowa.

Please give specifics as to S's "rude and mean" comments

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:11PM EDT (link)

I mean this honestly, not necessarily as a challenge.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Okay...

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

1) He told us black folks that we need to “learn and thing or two” from Obama on what marriage and family are about. Why do he have to just limit it to black folks? White people have family troubles too. Also, just because Obama’s black doesn’t mean we all just automatically jump in line like sheep.

2) Santorum made the comment that Obama should be pro-life because he’s black. I understood his context concerning personhood, but his phrasing was utterly condensing and uncalled for.

3) I can’t remember what it was about, but early in his campaign he made some terrible comment about Palin needs to be at home with her family rather than going to some meeting (can’t remember where). I’m not a Palin fan, but where does Santorum get off telling someone else’s wife where she needs to be? If Todd Palin is okay with Sarah’s decisions, then that should be fine with everyone else. Santorum should tend to his own wife and family.

Santorum is a busy-body who sticks his self-righteous nose in everyone’s business. I saw Twitter earlier today he supports or supported using the FEDs to police sex acts of both straight and gay people. I believe in traditional values but that is too much. What people do in their homes in none of our business.

He currently sits in a church with a pastor who believes Protestants are not “proper” Christians. I stopped being a Christian in 2008, but when I was I was a Protestant (Lutheran). It’s still down right offensive. What the heck is a “proper Christian” anyway?

On these offensive comments

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 6:15PM EDT (link)

I need to find that first and second one to get the context.

Obama’s words themselves, if I recall, were specifically directed to blacks. If Santorum is saying, “I agree,” it’s hard to see how he violated some white-speech-code.

I’m familiar with the third one and I think he was trying to defend Palin, not tell her what to do. She interpreted it badly, replied firmly, but has since virtually endorsed him.

I strongly suspect your Twitter source is mistaken as to Santorum’s position on federal regulation of sex.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

On point #1

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 6:55PM EDT (link)

He was on Greta, I believe talking about the Obama date night back in 2009. He offered that comment all by himself. I don’t recall Obama saying anything about family and marriage. But then again I don’t listen to Obama. :)

On two, I didn’t recognize the show. Looked like a PBS show. He again offered the comment all by himself concerning Obama and abortion. Again, I understood the context of his statement, but he worded it poorly and offensively.

On three, I heard Santorum’s comment live before Palin had reacted to it. I remember saying to myself “You got a lot of nerve.” and walked out of the room. I didn’t even know he was trying to defend her until you said it.

One of Santorum’s problems is he needs to learn a little tact. He has none. Even when he’s well-meaning, it comes off bad. I made a mistake yesterday while my mother was cooking and said I thought she would have been a strong Santorum supporter based on his SoCon values. I thought the woman was going to backhand me into tomorrow. She actually started yelling at me. Santorum, fairly or unfairly, brings the disdain out in people the more you hear about him.

 
 

Blacks and marriage

robbysh Monday, January 2nd at 8:57PM EDT (link)

Marriage as an institution has been under attack for years. But especially so in the black community. More than sixty percent of black children are born “out of wedlock” as we used to say. back around 1960, it was about 25%. Then about 5% of white children were “illegitimate.” Now it is up to about 25%. Patrick Moynihan was viciously attacked when he warned about a crisis in black families. That crisis came and the result was the abandonment by blacks of the nuclear family –father, mother, kids– as the ideal. Today we
seem such families on television and in the White House, but rarely in the world at large. Maybe Bill Crosby can say the truth about the state of black society, bit not any white person.

 
 

Just because Obama is black

adair Tuesday, January 3rd at 5:41PM EDT (link)

doesn’t mean we automatically jump in line like sheep.

No, just 95% do.

It’s good that some citizens, like you, can see the need for a conservative President.

 
 

I will be supporting Romney if...

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:15PM EDT (link)

Santorum or some other unknown gets traction, wins a primary or two, gets recognition, but then falls flat precisely as Perry did. We cannot afford to have our nominee begin the general election campaign with a double-digit deficit to make up–as Perry and Gingrich both have, despite their wide recognition.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

 
 
 

Perry

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 10:15PM EDT (link)

You obviously have not been listening to what he has been saying about jobs or reductions in spending.

 
 
 

Santorum who? no record

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 4:18PM EDT (link)

of millitary or executive experience. He is a joke whom has been used by Dems and Mit, they pouring money for him to make him stay around to keep Perry out. It is so upsetting what msm is doing to Perry. Looks like MSM and Rep. establishment are doing everything to stop Perry. Sadly, this is what Dems also want, The Dems DO NOT want to run against Rick Perry (witness what the WH has been doing to TX). How could they possibly put his record up against Obama’s? No debates needed – facts are facts. There are no videos out there of Perry changing positions over and over. Now at the last 2 days they pull a trick and promoting Santorum who?? He is all over the TV and nothing is said about Perry and the crowds he is getting everywhere he goes. For God’s sake there is no news about the huge rally he has tonight with all his endorsers.

 

Rick Santorum: Top-tier on Most Corrupt

cark Monday, January 2nd at 4:23PM EDT (link)

Rick Santorum: Top-tier on Most Corrupt Member of Congress list 2 years running. Maybe a contributing factor to why he lost his senate seat in historic fashion?

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-washington-dc/rick-santorum-top-tier-on-most-corrupt-member-of-congress-list-2-years-running

Stated otherwise, Ron Paul supporter cites liberal elites "award" to bash a conservative

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:38PM EDT (link)

Just read your linked article.

The article shows a Ron Paul supporter citing an attack authored by the “Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington,” an outfit run by Melanie Sloan–a liberal feminist, and former Schumer and Conyers aid.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

 
 

Getting tired...

tommer (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:45PM EDT (link)

of Erick’s non-stop attacks on Rick Santorum. Is Santorum the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. But he’s sure better than Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich. And he’s more articulate than Rick Perry, the importance of which was impressed upon us by the costly inarticulateness of Pres. Bush. Erick’s seeming obsession is getting old fast.

geez, another one. Posting facts is an attack. nt

gekster (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:49PM EDT (link)

..//..

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Rebut the argument bonehead.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:07PM EDT (link)

And, Santorum is just barely better than Ron Paul. Just barely. As far as being “articulate” is concerned, as I recall that was one of Obama’s real strengths, how’s that worked out.

Change

Well, he won the presidency by 7 points, and increased his party's representation in Congress singificantly

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:32PM EDT (link)

If Santorum repeats Obama’s electoral performance, that alone will be a great service.

Talking is like, important and stuff.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Except Santorum can't do either, A_Texan.

acat (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:39PM EDT (link)

Santorum didn’t just lose, he was blown out. Worst loss of 2006 for a sitting GOPer.

Nothing he’s said or done since says he’s learned.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Acat, Santorum was the only GOPer facing a social conservative Dem

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:48PM EDT (link)

who was the son of a popular socially-conservative Governor.

In any case, his losses were comparable to what GOP candidates suffered across the midwest, save Pawlenty–who for that reason was my guy this year.

If Perry had faced a socially cosnervative Democrat with a united Dem. party behind him in 2006, he would have lost, I bet, rather than getting 39% and thus a plurality for the win.

Santorum is also a proven winner–in a bluish state. Perry has never won in such an area.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Newsflash: Perry doesn't have to win any states that are blue as of 2012...

APA Guy (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 6:00PM EDT (link)

Take a look at the map…not as of the 2008 election, but as of 2012. VA, IN, OH, FL, NC..ALL 2008 Obama states that Perry can take with ease in 2012.

…and Obama is polling below 50% in PA, CO, NM, NV, and OR.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148874/obama-job-approval-higher-states.aspx

Can Santorum win those states? I don’t know, but I do know that Perry has a proven record of sealing the deal in elections and Santorum got his butt whipped in his own state the last time he ran for anything. My money is on Perry.

 

Have you seen Casey Jr. in the debates, A_Texan?

acat (Diary) Tuesday, January 3rd at 1:10AM EDT (link)

I’m sure the Santorum supporters who watched 2006 were all thinking “I can’t believe we’re losing to this guy!”.

Polling data supports Guzzardi’s assertion that PA rejected Santorum, rather than PA jumping at the chance to vote for a putz like Casey Jr.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 

Santorum's not ALL that “articulate” especially when...

pj2012 Monday, January 2nd at 6:28PM EDT (link)

defending his non-conservative choices (and they’re MANY). Or even that bright as he can’t even see the correlation of his own candidacy and Huckabee’s.

Hopefully Iowans will wake up tomorrow and see the light before it’s to late. They’re being played by the media hype which has caused an artificial inflating of Santorum’s poll numbers. It’s like a snow ball effect.

Politico today…
Rick Santorum got pushed by a voter at a Pizza Ranch in Boone, where he opened by telling voters to “be bold” and send “shock” through the nation by nominating him because they believed he should be the nominee, not who was seen as electible.

“You always talk about not settling … but news came in the last couple of days that you endorsed Gov. Romney a few years ago and you essentially have said, ‘Well that was because I didn’t want John McCain so I was settling for Mitt Romney,’” said a voter in the crowd. “Isn’t it disingenuous to tell us not to settle (when you did the same thing)?”

Santorum responded, “I think what I’m telling you to do is to pick the more conservative of the candidates, and it’s not to settle for something less than what you believe is the best, and sometimes the best isn’t that great but it’s the best.”

Then he went to invoke Mike Huckabee, explaining that the reason he didn’t back him as the potential McCain alternative was he didn’t think he was viable.

“A lot of folks thought maybe Mike Huckabee — ” Santorum said.

“A lot of Iowans!” the questioner responded.

Santorum continued, “I didn’t see Mike Huckabee at that point after having lost South Carolina and Florida and not having at least (in reports) a lot of money available that I thought maybe the best chance to stop John McCain … was at that point Gov. Romney.”

The problem with that argument, of course, is that Santorum is facing the very same questions that Huckabee encountered about viability past Iowa, which made establishment figures and donors fearful about his prospects. And restating that rationale arguably makes it harder for him to argue to potential boosters that he himself can get it done where Huckabee couldn’t. http://www.politico.com//blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/an-unfortunate-analogy-by-santorum-109327.html

 

What argument, bonehead?

tommer (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:26PM EDT (link)

Nice, grown-up, respectful response, mbeck. There’s no argument that Santorum is a flawed candidate. But the constant trashing of him by many people here at RedState serves whom? And where is the perfect candidate we can all get behind? They stayed home! So we have to choose from what we have. And “articulate” being one of Obama’s strengths(if you say so) wasn’t the point, if you read the post. Being inarticulate, as Pres Bush was, is the concern. In these consequential times we need a President who can explain himself.

Respectful posts that have content get respectful comments.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:47PM EDT (link)

You get slammed because your commentary is crap. Zero content. Zero thought. Just whining.

There are no perfect candidates. They all have pluses and they all have warts. It’s how they deal with them that matters. And unfortunately for the candidates they all to often get saddled with idiots who aren’t capable of rational thought and who make total fools of themselves in their so-called “defense” of their chosen one.

If you’ve got a case to make for Santorum, make it. Use facts. Feel free to use opinion as long as it’s labeled as such. What is offensive is your whining.

Bush’s problem wasn’t that he was inarticulate. Bush’s problem was that when the going got rough, he hid under desk in the Oval Office and refused to take up the fight. When Bush spoke from his heart on any issue, he won the day. He just didn’t bother to speak often enough. I’m not really surprised you can’t fathom this given the quality of your posts.

Santorum is clone of Obama, with just a different political take. Neither of them ever had real job before running for President. Both seem articulate. Neither had any demonstrated leadership. And, I see no reason why Santorum would do any better at the job of chief executive than Obama has. Both are lightweight jokes.

Change

No, comments that agree with you get respectful comments

tommer (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 10:30PM EDT (link)

Anything else is “whining”.

First, the only real case for Santorum with “us idiots who aren’t capable of rational thought” is that he’s less bad than the others. One can be ambivalent about a particular candidate, as I am about Santorum, and still “whine” about it when he sees that candidate trashed for his flaws while others are given a pass.

Second, Bush not speaking often enough would translate to normal people as inarticulate; as in, he did not articulate his reasons for doing things.

Third, if you really think Santorum is a clone of Obama, then you need to see a doctor.

Not true at all, do some research before you make a complete a$$ of yourself

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 10:42PM EDT (link)

again.

You are a whiner. You wouldn’t know a fact or an argument if sat next to you. And as far as your last sentence, you are simply demonstrating your inability to read and comprehend.

Change

 
 
 

RE: Santorum being articulate...

aesthete (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 11:25PM EDT (link)

Santorum has a record of being behind miserable failures in terms of messaging. Santorum has basically had three main issues which he has gone out and stumped for, to the point where we can gauge public reception. First, partial privatization of Social Security: the Bush administration, a handful of conservatives, and Santorum kind of, sort of tried to get this done at the beginning of Bush’s second term. It was one of the most pathetic pushes for legislation I’ve ever heard of from an incumbent — the proposed bill never got off the ground, and very few people heard the pro argument for it. Santorum was the point guy for this, and in his state less people supported it after 6 months of explanation than did before the messaging campaign. Second: GWoT, specifically the War in Iraq. This was essentially the crux of his campaign in 2006. The result? A humiliating loss on his part, and no change in opinion from voters. The third, and final, issue on which Santorum gained national prominence were his comments on homosexuality. If you want to find out where that ended up, search his name on Wikipedia, and ask yourself if that successful relabelling on the part of left-wing bloggers should be considered a success.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 
 

THIS is the best Iowa can come up with to stop Romney?

texasref (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 4:59PM EDT (link)

It’s almost like an Establishment Joke.

“LOL, I know what’ll really kill em…let’s give SANTORUM some behind the scenes ooomph, really stress on Fox how he’s ‘surging’ and let HIM be the one Romney goes against….mincemeat pie by Super Tuesday.”

Heaven forbid Iowa pick someone sensible and electable and a great debater like Newt. Not that I’m a Newt supporter. I don’t know who I like yet. Like I’ve said before, whoever wins Iowa is who I’m inclined to support, unless it’s Santorum or Romney, in which case I’ll support whoever comes in 2nd.

I wouldn’t mind Gingrich.

“The medical director who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin found only two injuries on his body: the gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles. Welcome to the Duke lacrosse case all over again.”–Rush Limbaugh, 5-16-12

Next Step: Docket Sounding on 8-8-12
Final Step: Verdict of Not Guilty

 

An endoresment for Perry

nancysabet Monday, January 2nd at 5:02PM EDT (link)

http://townhall.com/columnists/douglasmackinnon/2012/01/02/last_chance_to_elect_a_true_conservative/page/full/

 

Much more troubling

redneck_hippie (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:03PM EDT (link)

is Santorum going on a morning show today and stating you can’t just eliminate a government agency.

Au contraire, mon frere. And I believe Perry is just the man to do it. Oops moment aside, he has decided to eliminate Energy, Education and Commerce.

Santorum is spinning his record of being a spending sellout in congress. Only question is whether there is time to vet him before tomorrow. Shame, really.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

He told someone in a townhall

windwaker24 Monday, January 2nd at 5:19PM EDT (link)

that we can’t close the Dept. of Education because someone in Washington needs to oversee education. If I would have been there, I would have raised a raucous and thrown a copy of the Constitution (my giant, illustrated hardcover copy!) in his direction and told him to find a passage where the federal government should be in charge of education. It belongs on the local level.

 

You can't just eliminate it by Presidential fiat

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:22PM EDT (link)

If that’s what Santorum meant, then he’s right. You have to get a bill passed through Congress–not an easy feat, even with a partisan majority in your favor.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Here's a question

bdirks Monday, January 2nd at 5:37PM EDT (link)

Will Perry nominate someone for the cabinet positions at those departments? Will he not fill the thousands of political appointee positions at all three Departments?

Of course he will – but only of course, because “he has to” and “until I shut ‘er down”. As I stated in another post, if you have been disappointed in Boehner and the Republican Congress for not achieving their goals and blaming that on institutional impediments, just wait until Perry starts letting you down one by one on every pandering promise he has made.

Exactly.

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:49PM EDT (link)

Perry’s promises he simply can’t keep given our Constitution.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

 

To bdirks

greyeagle Monday, January 2nd at 10:31PM EDT (link)

You obviously don’t know Perry. I do, as he has been my Governor for 10 years. He says what he means and means what he says. He also does what he says he will do. He is a straighter shooter. Do doubletalk. He stands for something and in this day and time that is rare. He has made excellent appointments in TX of very qualified people to boards, Universities etc. There is no question in my mind that he would do the same as President. One big change is that he actually knows and follows the consitution.

You're missing the point

bdirks Monday, January 2nd at 10:44PM EDT (link)

He says he will eliminate the Depts of Education, Commerce, and Energy. Does that mean he will do everything in his power to collapse those agencies from within, starting by not appointing a secretary and thousands of politically appointed bureaucrats to run each one? No way!

 
 
 
 
 

Rick Santorum - Unelectable

bzip Monday, January 2nd at 5:12PM EDT (link)

Just amazing, another wonderful attack ad by Perry on Santorum :-)

Rick Santorum – Unelectable
http://youtu.be/zt6XCZz2X1Y

 

In the military we used to call this the difference

deanfromohio Monday, January 2nd at 5:14PM EDT (link)

… between a manager and a leader. A manager shuffles things; a leader inspires people. Put another way, a manager would never pick up Thor’s hammer to use it; he would want to inventory it.

Beyond that, I agree with elayman — let’s not put too fine a point on it.

 

With all due respect Erick,

Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:16PM EDT (link)

he really doesn’t need to be.

What’s disturbing are the fools who are supporting him that are evidently unfamiliar with the qualifications needed to be President or they would be supporting Perry instead of wasting their votes on a proven loser.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

I live in PA, and you must be joking

benko Monday, January 2nd at 5:36PM EDT (link)

talking about Santorum for president. People in this state know him and he ain’t electable.

Perry (I think) would be a good president, but he has to have the inestinal fortitude and be gaff proof in debates consistently to get there.

 

I live in PA, and you must be joking

benko Monday, January 2nd at 5:36PM EDT (link)

talking about Santorum for president. People in this state know him and he ain’t electable.

Perry (I think) would be a good president, but he has to have the inestinal fortitude and be gaff proof in debates consistently to get there.

I live in Texas, and I'm most serious

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:42PM EDT (link)

Perry ran his campaigns in TX like this–ignore the media, run advertising, dodge debates, and count on a pro-Republican bias, wave years (2002 and 2010) and the utter ineptitude of the Democratic Party. Perry would have been slaughtered in PA in 2006, and 2000 and 1994, for that matter.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

So who do you support?

Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:47PM EDT (link)

Paul? Santorum? Romney?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Santorum, tentatively.

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

Santorum for now because I trust him and think he might be electable. Yes, that’s pretty sad non-endorsement, but I want him to come out of Iowa with a win, and see whether he can do OK in head-to-head match ups with Obama once he gets some name recognition. Gingrich and Perry both had that notariety, and are double-digits behind Obama.

If Santorum can’t show any viability against Obama then, then I’ll support Romney as “Our SOB.” Sigh.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

My Texas view

texashistorian (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 6:23PM EDT (link)

is a bit different from yours in that while I agree Perry has had some easy roads to re-election and could sometimes afford to campaign the way you suggest, this last election against KBH was not the narrative you paint. Rather it was one, that I believe proves Perry can run against a well-funded, elite-backed candidate. Kay is quite (but mystifyingly) popular here as you know, and generally had the support of the political establishment- Rove, Bushes, etc. Perry debated her, and ran a strong campaign where he didn’t benefit from Pro-Republican bias or really even the incumbency given Kay’s high profile and funding.

I see your point about not winning in PA like Santorum did, but I wouldn’t make that argument if Perry was a Pennsylvanian. It isn’t a valid comparison to drop Perry as he is into purple PA and conclude that because he couldn’t win there as a Texan, Santorum is more electable. Santorum, as he is, wouldn’t get elected to a state-wide office in Texas in 2000, 2004, or whenever.

And by the way, not going after you for supporting Santorum- that what this primary season is all about, but I just can’t buy that he is more electable nationally than Perry.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

That is part of the reason I love Perry, he has all the right enemies

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:06PM EDT (link)

Everyone in the media, every democrat, all the environmentalists, and the entire Bush wing of the Republican party. He has to be doing something right.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

Just plain effing amazing.

Tbone (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:00PM EDT (link)

Santorum is a massively failed ex-senator without any executive experience. He doesn’t have a chance in hades of raising enough money to be competitive in the states with tons of delegates compared to pissant IA & NH. He is a nothing burger.

Why waste your time?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Gen election Polls mean nothing now

center77 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:09PM EDT (link)

and I am so glad that voters hav enot paid attention to those when they nominated Reagan, because who knows what would have happend.

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Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

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STOP wasting time going after Ricky

flgal208 Monday, January 2nd at 5:47PM EDT (link)

FNC/GOP will trash every candidate except Romney, so why waste you/our time doing it?

We Perry supporters need to focus like a laser on Romney & BO. FNC will destroy Santorum and then Huntsman when he gives Willard a run for his money in NH…then when Perry surges, they will look to destroy Perry and us supporters need to be ready to push back HARD.

Off the range here, but don’t you think it’s odd that not ONE commentator has said a word about Perry amassing so much money and where it came from? If he’s such a dufus, non-candidate that Romney can wipe his shoes on, then who’s donating to him? The answer is, businesses. If Romney is a such a “great” business man, then shouldn’t he be the only one getting their cash? They know Romney’s business “creating” skills in MASS was poor and they know Perry’s is stellar. All those companies that moved to Texas, do you think they want BO-lite? Ha! Maybe Wall Street global corporations want Romney/BO, but those that actually make products here, want Perry.

Good point on the money

texashistorian (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 6:31PM EDT (link)

A lot of it is Texas gas and oil money, but the point is still valid. Business people, and in particular, energy people, want a stable, predictable, and friendly environment in which to operate. A lot of that money is on Perry for reasons that don’t get much coverage. I wonder how much energy money went to Santorum or Bachmann, or even Newt?

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

Bingo

Scope (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 6:59PM EDT (link)

After Perry came out with his energy plan, which unfortunately was not covered much by the MSM, I knew that the Perry fundraising numbers would stay healthy. Not just from those in Texas, but from across the nation.

 
 
 

Erick's petty criticism is also wrong.

shadowtax (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 7:28PM EDT (link)

The President of the United States is not the Chief Executive of the Nation. He is the Chief Executive of the Federal Government.

Erick must be so tone deaf that he does not understand that many conservatives are tired of the expansive federal government and would prefer to feel the President’s influence less in their lives. We believe that we make executive decisions in our own lives which will bring prosperity to others when we are at liberty to do so.

Santorum’s comment may have been failed attempt to be too clever (by half a Gingrich), but I sure that he knows better, just I am certain that Erick knows better.

Santorum was trying to contrast CEO decision making with C-in-C decision-making. A more factual rebuff is that Romney has, as Governor of Massachusetts, more C-in-C experience than does Santorum, the legislator.

I will give credit where do. That criticism was so petty, it actually has me criticizing the candidate whom I will likely vote for. Outstanding!

I think you are taking Erik out of context

center77 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 7:38PM EDT (link)

and letting Santorum get away with a dumb comment, we are looking for an executive to run this nation, and right now more than ever do we need someone to not only be commander and chief, we need someone to do what is right to get this economy back on track. An executive can limited the power of the federal government.

If Perry wins he would do this by delegating power back to the states and sending Congress packing with their insider buddies.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

Hooray for Perry then!

shadowtax (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 7:54PM EDT (link)

But he will not be the chief executive of this nation.

I understand Erick’s point. Nevertheless, if one is going to criticize another for being in violation of the text of the Constitution, I expect equal respect to the document.

If you want to argue the political strength of President as the CEO of America in a troubled economy, go right ahead. Santorum stepped in that. However, that is a political argument which does not itself withstand the scrutiny of the textual standard by which Santorum was just evaluated.

This nit just picked back. That’s all.

 
 

Santorum in debates negated the 10th Amendment with his

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:55PM EDT (link)

“if its wrong, its unconstitutional” line about the right of a state to have an individual mandate or gay marriage. He has NO small fed govt cred…

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

Santorum's problem:

meh130 Monday, January 2nd at 7:47PM EDT (link)

Santorum’s proposals have been very legislator-like–cutting capital gains for manufacturing, but not other industries. It sounds like an earmark, not an economic plan. He is tone-deaf to America’s need for a cost-cutting, belt tightening, turnaround artist CEO.

Here's Our Problem With Santorum

carolynr Monday, January 2nd at 9:15PM EDT (link)

Santorum is a dipstick. What we are not seeing is his idiocy concerning this manufacturing. We are competing with China. They are paying $3.00 a day for labor and what are we paying…say….$20.00 per hour x 8 = $160.00. How do we offset that…we the taxpayer give them a taxcut…and they are able to keep up with their union pay. We are subsidizing the union. We not only pay taxes to keep the government running….we pay private companies to give bennies to their employees.

If the education system was in the hands of the state…this country should have its main push in technology. Know why we aren’t running first…because our schools are dummed down. A 2nd year college student is equivalent to my 8th grade education. That’s how bad it is. So…Santorum is “working” the blue collars and they don’t feel his hands in their wallets.

 
 

OK....Here's The Plan

carolynr Monday, January 2nd at 9:08PM EDT (link)

They don’t grow the blanky blanky corn in South Carolina. This should be a state’s rights state. I am hoping to see Perry in Greenville on the 4th. We have to get on all the major papers…and phone banks…we need lists.

Perry will not finish all that well because he does not believe in Ethanol subsidies…or subsidies for any company. But because they get bucks out of it…they will vote for someone who is unqualified…Santorum or WILLARD who will do to them what Obama has. We better get a very CONSERVATIVE HOUSE AND SENATE in there or we’re cooked if Romney is elected.

Push for South Carolina…and when FL comes up…Perry has to be strong about saving their SS….MEGA STRONG. People are really worried about that…I learned that from the phone bank in Iowa.

Phone banks are bad measure

center77 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:56PM EDT (link)

because Iowa is about who really shows up out of all the registered Repubs, and Iowa is a very very very low turnout state, and that is why no one really knows.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

 
 

Even if Santorum does place well in Iowa, Tex,

sunshinek67 (Diary) Monday, January 2nd at 9:14PM EDT (link)

that means absolutely nothing afterward. Perry’s SuperPac is going after him, my prediction. They haven’t had to go after Newt much, Romney’s thugs took care of that. Newt was quoted today, tiredly “I am weighed down with 3.5 million in negative ads”. Santorum will have his turn in the barrel. Just a matter of time. Santorum is one and done, Huckabee 2.0 zero excitability factor….just a bunch of evangelicals that don’t understand politics and think they are doing something righteous based on inaccurate misinformed information from their corrupt pay to play Family Leader guy that got the ball rolling in Santorum’s court. Family values is Santorum AND Perry; 12 years of senatorial experience is indicative of nothing in regards to ceo of the nation while 11 years governing the world’s 13th largest economy does.

So, Vander Plaat and Duggars endorsed Huckabee last time around and look how that turned out. Glad they didn’t endorse Perry, kiss of death~

 

Daily attacks on Santorum are churlish, Erick

4loveofus Tuesday, January 3rd at 3:31AM EDT (link)

Erick, your attacks on Santorum look like you’re throwing mud up against the wall in hopes that something will stick. Seems like the kind of opposition research expected from Axelrod, not Erickson.

Santorum is a viable alternative to face Romney as the Conservative alternative in the primary. His loss to a sainted legacy like Casey in a blue state with Bush cratering does not disqualify him and neither does his emphasis on social issues in a primary, when he can easily switch gears to the economy the moment he gets the nomination. His counsel defending pro-wrestling over 20 years ago is certainly not fatal, nor is your most recent claim against his semantics; that he doesn’t know the role of president as the Chief Executive.

I know that many in this community have delusions of Perry having a chance to beat Obama if, by some miracle, he becomes the nominee, but wake up. Anyone has a chance to beat Obama in the general except for Perry (or Paul). Like it or not, Perry will bear the cross of his “oops” debate moment for all time. It was worse than Dukakis with the death penalty, Ford with Poland, Quayle with JFK (or potato, for that matter), and even Paul with Iran. If the objective is to beat Obama, we cannot risk putting another man perceived, and the Left can easily paint, as a “dim-witted Texan” up as the alternative.

Fair or not, a large portion of this electorate weened on American Idol. We better put someone in the debates against Obama that sounds (remembers) and looks good, and sane, or Obama will win with coattails and turn this country into France so early into his 2nd term it’ll make your heads spin.

That leaves Romney, Santorum, and Huntsman, if he wasn’t a non-factor. Perry can be effective on the campaign trail for the eventual nominee for getting out the base, but that’s all he has in his future.