« BACK  |  PRINT

RS

EDITOR OF REDSTATE

Another Awkward Rick Santorum Vote

On February 14, 2002, Democratic Senators Joe Biden, John Edwards, Diane Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Robert Torricelli, and Chris Dodd amongs joined with every single Republican in the Senate including Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee, and the rest to kill a measure that would have given felons, including rapists, drug traffickers, and arsonists, the right to vote.

The measure failed 63 to 31.

But while Joe Biden and Dianne Feinstein were siding with the Republicans in the United States Senate, there were actually three Republicans joining 28 Democrats to support giving these felons the right to vote. One was Senator DeWine of Ohio who the voters would thereafter throw out of office.

The other two Republicans were Senators Rick Santorum and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

Compassion in action I guess. Luckily they lost.

Interestingly, some Santorum supporters are under the impression that Santorum’s vote was about federalism and letting states decide ultimately if felons have the right to vote. First, states already had that right. Second, this is facially not true.

Amendment 2879, sponsored by Senators Harry Reid, Russ Feingold, and Arlen Specter — the very amendment Santorum voted for — established a Commission on Voting Rights and Procedures to “to require States to meet uniform and nondiscriminatory election technology and administration requirements for the 2004 Federal elections” and provides felons the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General of the United States if they are denied the right to vote. (Note Senator Reid calls these people “ex-felons” instead of “felons”)

Senator Harry Reid, one of the three sponsors of the amendment, said on the floor of the Senate, “Basically what this amendment does is ensure that ex-felons, people who have fully served their sentences, have completed their probation, have completed their parole, should not be denied their right to vote.”

Senator Reid went on to say

Nonetheless, the amendment Senator Specter and I have crafted is narrow in scope. It does not extend voting rights to prisoners. Some States do that. I don’t believe in that. It does not extend voting rights to ex-felons on parole, even though 18 States do that. It does not extend voting rights to ex-felons on probation, even though some States do that. This legislation simply restores the right to vote to those individuals who have completely served their sentences, including probation and parole.

Finally, this legislation would only apply to Federal elections, but it would set an example for the rest of the States to follow what we do in Federal elections.

Even though we have delegated to the States time, place, and authority, Congress has retained the ultimate authority with ample precedent to set qualifications for Federal elections. We did that with motor-voter registration and others.

As Senator Reid said, this law would apply to all federal elections in all states — President, Senate, and House of Representatives. States would only be able to exempt out state elections, but to do so would drive up the costs of elections in states as a practical matter. In other words, this is the federal government trying to impose uniform federal standards on states making them loosen the requirements on what it takes for felons to get their voting rights back after leaving jail.

For those who even want to begin debating the merits of this, please first explain how every single Republican except 3 were wrong and somehow Arlen Specter was right.

COMMENTS

  • marktx

    Hopefully conservatives will soon realize that Santorum isn’t a true conservative, nor is he presidential material.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    Wake me up when Perry or Huntsman are in office. Thanks.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    WOW, that’s quite the nitpick!

    On the “violation of conservative principles” richter scale that rates a 2/10 … not even the 5/10 that was Perry Gardasil fiasco or the 6/10 of Newt sitting on the couch with Pelosi cozying up to global warming.

    … with Romney’s Romneycare being a 10/10.

    The thing that impresses me about Rick Santorum is that he hailed from the same state that gave us horribly moderate Republicans (Heinz) and worse Democrats (Rendell, Wofford, Casey jr), but managed to be more conservative than AZ’s McCain, Utah’s Bennett, Georgia’s senators, Tennessee’s Lamar, etc.

    It’s one reason I tire of the excuse that Romney had to govern liberal because Mass. was full of them. Well guess what – SO IS DC.

    Santorum is in 2nd place nationally. Perry is in single digits. Knocking Santorum wont revive Perry’s dead campaign, it will result in Romney’s winning the nod. If that is the desired agenda, people should be open about it.

  • windwaker24

    Tea Partiers seriously need to research the candidate thoroughly BEFORE throwing their votes and support behind him. This is disgusting!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    … in the race, because if you define ‘true conservative’ as ‘never voting a way I wouldnt agree with’ none pass the test. Look up the True Scotsman fallacy on wikipedia for a lesson in this.

    Perry nose dived in September because his in-state tuition for illegals made him ‘not a true conservative’ for many. Gingrich lost traction for criticizing Ryan’s Roadmap. Hmmm, Santorum is good on those issues but voted this way … so we cross all 3 off.

    OK, so we eliminate everyone, toss out Santorum’s 85% lifetime ACU rating and call this fine conservative a ‘not a true conservative’ and get the ‘true non-conservative’ Romney.

    Hopefully conservatives will soon realize that we are voting for human beings and you will never get perfection, and any of our candidates is finer presidential material than the current White House occupant.

  • Tbone

    Santorum is going no where. This is good because he is worthless as a candidate.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    they should regain the right to vote.

    Otherwise, if a law is unjust there is no constituency to change it.

    I don’t like that it was a federal law, though.

  • dpmapper

    … it’s gotta be Huntsman. Perry is down in 4-5% territory in the Carolinas, according to PPP’s twitter – both he and Huntsman have a lot of ground to make up, but the difference is that voters have already considered Perry and rejected him, whereas Huntsman hasn’t had his first surge yet. Additionally, both might be able to consolidate anti-Romney votes, but Huntsman stands a better chance of peeling off voters who are with Romney right now.

    And please don’t say Gingrich. Oy.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Why are we treating this Huntsman guy, who played the role of wise-cracker in the debates, dissed the GOP base any chance he could, is at low single digits in polls, and is re-using Rudy’s failed ‘strategy’ in his campaign, as someone remotely serious!?!?

    He has zero chance. The slot for the moderate Mormon former Governor slot was already taken by Romney.

    Raz poll confirms it: Romney 29%, Santorum 21%, Paul and Newt in teens, Huntsman and Perry at 4%.

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    It wasn’t the puffing up of minor issues that sunk Rick Perry. It was attacking Mitt on immigration and saying you have no heart unless you agree with him. And then having a brain freeze.

    I hope Perry can regain some stature and get some money flowing back in, but he’s doing it wrong.

    Perry should have played video of himself speaking at the April 15, 2009 tea parties, while Sarah and Michele were still wondering what to do. In fact, he still should do that.

  • marktx

    Santorum is a neo-conservative, not a fiscal conservative. Santorum supported most of GW Bush’s spending increases, and is a statist republican who believes in big government solutions. The republican party lost it’s way on fiscal matters during the Bush years, and Santorum was part of the problem.

    Trust me, I don’t have much enthusiam for Romney, but he has a much better chance of defeating Obama than does Santorum.

  • marktx

    Santorum is a neo-conservative, not a fiscal conservative. Santorum supported most of GW Bush’s spending increases, and is a statist republican who believes in big government solutions. The republican party lost it’s way on fiscal matters during the Bush years, and Santorum was part of the problem.

    Trust me, I don’t have much enthusiasm for Romney, but he has a much better chance of defeating Obama than does Santorum.

  • dpmapper

    I don’t dislike Santorum as much as some here seem to, although he does have a terrible habit of saying blunt things on social issues that he has to explain himself over and which the media can easily misinterpret/caricature. He did it again today.

    I do get why Perry is liked, but I think realistically he has the worst shot of all the remaining candidates.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    And I prefer Perry, but, if SC goes poorly, I ‘m looking to see who else. I find Huntsman preferable to Mittens. I find any of them preferable to Obama.

  • dpmapper

    And I’d count it as more of a failed joke than anything, but your interpretation might vary. In any case, it was a long time ago and hasn’t been repeated. It’s certainly not “any chance he could”.

  • chrysostom15

    Once again, I’m surprised by the real weakness in the attacks against Santorum. Is this really the worst out there?

    Rick Perry wants to pay tuition for folks who come here illegally — no jail time. Santorum wants to put criminals in jail, and then let them vote 5 years after they leave jail. Of the two, which sounds more conservative?

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    He should and hope he does!

  • marktx

    Huntsman has a good record as governor of Utah, is a fiscal conservative, solid on “life” issues, and is an expert on foreign policy.

    If it came down to Huntsman vs. Santorum, there really is no choice as to who would be the better nominee. But before Huntsman gets that far, he needs to do well in New Hampshire.

  • acat

    I’m not filing the EPA impact report, though.

    Mew

  • marktx

    Santorum supported big increases in government spending during his time as senator, and wtached the debt grow and grow, The fact that anyone is taking this guy seriously tells me that some in the republican party still don’t get it.

  • marktx

    Santorum supported big increases in government spending during his time as senator, and watched the debt grow and grow, The fact that anyone is taking this guy seriously tells me that some in the republican party still don’t get it.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    So, I’m hoping he surprises us in NH!

  • buddyp

    Perry needs to deliver “Total Package” message

    As a note, Huntsman could make this argument fairly well too, and should.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    .. and Reagan signed the big-deficit budgets of Tip O’Neill, big government spending.

    So I guess Reagan was a non-conservative too … or maybe Santorum is the next Reagan.

    Santorum supports the Balanced budget amendment, wants to get govt spending to under 18% (lower than under Reagan). The blather about “statist Republican” … Santorum was in the top 10 most conservative senators in the senate, had ACU ratings in the mid 80s, and the most conservative northeast Senator.

    And on this … “I don?t have much enthusiam for Romney, but he has a much better chance of defeating Obama than does Santorum.” … I disagree. Santorum has run and won in tough districts, and proved in Iowa he can do a lot with a little. Romney will be tagged a “1%er” by obama and cant go after Obama hammer-and-tong like Newt or Santorum will.

    Santorum would run a better campaign and would get more enthusiasm than would Romney. Santorum can also appeal to the working class folks in ways that Romney simply cant and wont. That makes him at least as electable as Romney.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    He thinks the Feds need to set national standards for curriculum, which is extremely problematic, and should never, ever, ever happen, and like Rham, and BHO, and Biden, he thinks National Service is a great idea. He thinks government is the answer just like they do on the left, only where they are Socialst, he is more Fascist. He’s a good guy, well intentioned, but not a solution to the problems we face.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    or Jindhal. Heck, I find Rick Perry preferable. Preferable to Obama and to Romney.

    But at this point we have to be honest. Iowa dealt us a hand, and that hand means that one of Newt, Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney will be our nominee.

    Huntsman was from the get-go a vanity candidate with 0% chance.

    I am sympathetic to those liking Rick Perry for example, I like him and thought he’d make a good nominee, but IMHO we need to wake up and smell the coffee. He’s toast. I dont think he’ll be able to move the needle in SC.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    What you disagree with conservative orthodoxy … this calls for Banishment!

    I sort of agree with you, btw, which is one reason I find this vote a sign that Santorum aint half bad if this is all they can dredge up. Ron Paul has flakey votes like this on a weekly basis, and we just had our Congressional *leadership* deliver far worse in the past 2 weeks in their latest cave-in ‘deal’.

  • marktx

    ….and has no executive experience.

    As republicans, we often are critical of Obama’s short resume in the senate before he became president. Should we not be critical of Santorum’s lack of executive experience as well ? Particularly when we have three governors with extensive executive experience ?

    As for Santorum’s endorsement of Specter – it wouldn’t have been so bad if Santorum were a moderate. But Santorum claims to be a pro-life conservative who wants to do everything in his power to end abortions. So what did he do? Instead of supporting the pro-life candidate Pat Toomey, he supported the pro-choice Arlen Specter. This is the same Arlen Zpecter who led the opposition to the nomination of Robert Bork. had Bork been confirmed, there’s a good chance Roe would have been overturned. But I guess Santorum was willing to overlook that for his buddy Arlen.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    will show us some mercy….because those 3 you mention, though likely…are my least, least, least desirable…We’ll know what we have to suck it up and get behind I would think, by the time SC is over. Of those 3 Newt is my preference…but, I don’t know if he can recover his senses, he’s on quite the tear right now.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “whereas Huntsman hasn?t had his first surge yet.”

    Neither has Gary Johnson! Or better yet, wait for Alan Keyes to jump in and blow away the field.

    Maybe he can get his lone Iowa supporter to endorse him and give him some momentum.

    “both might be able to consolidate anti-Romney votes”
    How ON EARTH will the most Romney-like candidate in the race be the guy to consolidate the anti-Romney votes?

    That’s what so funny. Huntsman’s ultimate problem is that he is superfluous.

    “And please don?t say Gingrich”

    Gingrich.
    boogety boogety.

    Seriously: Gingrich. Santorum. Romney. CHOOSE ONE.

    Nobody else has a chance at this point.

    I live in Texas and I wont even get to choose ANY. It will be over before it gets here (probably with Romney winning, because conservatives cant bring themselves to get behind one single conservative.)

  • rharrison

    who carried water for all of W’s big government ‘compassionate’ schemes. The in state for tuition thing is a joke.

    Rick Santorum is about as unelectable as it gets. He comes across to the average indi voter as a modern day pharisee. I’m an Evangelical and appreciate his stand on social issues. but reality is reality. The people in his own state repudiated him.. Setting up shop in Iowa for two years and getting a very fortunate, late, last man stranding surge shouldn’t buoy your hopes of him going anywhere.

  • gekster

    From Project vote Smart.
    http://votesmart.org/

    Rick Santorum Voting Record

    Interesting read. ;)

  • marktx

    …this isn’t all “they’ve dug up: on Santorum.

    It has been repeated numerous times, yet you continue to ignore the fact that Santorum supported much of the Bush spending agenda that contributed to the huge debt our nation now faces. Santorum’s was a cheerleader for Bush’s prescription drug entitlement program, as well as numerous other reckless spending programs.

    Rick Santorum can claim alot of things. But one thing he cannot claim is that he is a fiscal conservative.

  • seanl

    Why do you nit pick Santorum but never mention that Perry supported Hillarycare, signed the DREAM act in his state, endorsed Rudy Giuliani for President (who is just as liberal as Arlen Specter), and called conservatives who are concerned about illegal immigration “heartless.”

    Give me a break.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Santorum was concerned enough about SCOTUS judges being conservative that he only endorsed Specter after he promised to help shepherd Bush’s appointees for SCOTUS through.

    Specter has his faults, but he kept that promise and we got Alito and Roberts out of that deal. That’s not bad for a courtesy endorsement of a fellow Senator.

    I wanted Toomey to win in 2004, badly, but blaming Santorum for what he did is foolish. Santorum has been rock-solid on conservative appointments.

    Santorum has been a leader on a number of issues when in office and will have the same amount of executive experience as JFK, Obama, Johnson, and Lincoln. etc. Santorum served 12 years in Senate, while Obama served 2 before running for President. Since I am not thrilled with what Romney DID as Governor (aka Romneycare) and since Santorum served in office for far longer than Romney, I think Santorum long conservative record speaks better than Romney’s short non-conservative record.

  • stumpy

    he believes government is the answer to our problems. We need the government to get out of the way and leave us alone. I agree with Santorum’s values, but we can’t and shouldn’t use the government for it. Santorum’s idea of removing corporate manufacturing tax is a perfect example. He doesn’t get that the government manipulating the economy created our problems. Eliminate the taxes on all, not a select few. santorum is much better Han Romney. He does have principles.

    Huntsman is a decent conservative and my third choice. Why does he insist on acting like an jerk. He has insulted many voters and generally acts like a snob. He has a likeability problem with the common man. Likeability is the number one general election factor.

    Perry’s not perfect, but likeable and a true conservative.

  • dpmapper

    List a few that are substantive, and that Perry/Gingrich/Santorum don’t share. Don’t just say “Mormon” (which nobody cares about any more) or “moderate” (that’s just a lazy label).

    Huntsman is at ~10% in NH. If he stays stuck there I’ll agree he’s toast. But he’s not Gary Johnson.

  • gekster

    What do you have.
    Or just more mis-information from you.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    Ditto!

  • marktx

    Romney will win by default.

    Gingrich cannot regain the momentum he once had before he was vetted because now voters have learned the truth about his mixed record. And they don’t like his personality.

    Santorum won Iowa because he was about the only candidate that didn’t have negative ads run against him. Nor was Santorum vetted by the media. That will all change now. Santorum will not be the nominee.

    A month ago people were saying that Romney might not even campaign in Iowa, yet he won the caucus anyway. Even though I strongly oppose Romney’s socialized medicine scheme, he has by far the most organized and effective campaign among the republicans. In order to defeat Obama, the republican candidate will need to run a mistake free campaign that appeals to independents in the swing states. Romney is the only candidate among the republicans who has shown he can do that.

  • seanl

    nt.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I am sorry you are repeating Democrat talking points by blaming Bush for “the huge debt our nation now faces”… is because of DEMOCRATS in Congress, we had the last $5 TRILLION created AFTER Santorum left office, after 2006.

    In the 1990s, Santorum was a part of the Gingrich-led Congress that balanced the budget. And in 2002 to 2006 the budget deficit went to $250 billion – high but nothing like the level under Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

    His National Taxpayer rating is 76%. Santorum is NOT a ‘big government conservative’ but an across-the-board mainstream conservative with a solidly conservative voting record, albeit marred with the support for earmarks that every Republican of that era, including mr anti-government Ron Paul, accepted. Here are his ratings:

    American Conservative Union — 88%
    National Right to Life Committee — 100%
    Americans for Tax Reform — 95%
    National Tax Limitation Committee — 92%
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce — 88%
    League of Private Property Voters — 94%

    Now remember, this is Santorum’s House ratings, in a DEMOCRAT district. How many Republicans in Democrat areas vote this conservative? Kirk? Snowe? LOL… That’s conviction!

    Claims that Santorum is a big-government conservative are simply contrary to his full record and his conservative agenda as a candidate for President, where he wants to repeal Obamacare, cap spending at 18% and follow the Ryan roadmap and pass the BBA:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/santorum-is-no-big-government-conservative/2012/01/04/gIQA5Q1zaP_blog.html

    “While in Iowa, Texas Gov. Rick Perry tried to begin a line of attack on Rick Santorum claiming that the former Pennsylvania senator is a big-government conservative. That attack seems poorly thought through (shocking, I know from such a meticulous campaign) for several reasons.

    First, Santorum is to the right of Perry in some important ways. Santorum opposed the Troubled Assets Relief Program; Perry wrote a letter on the day of the Senate vote urging Congress to pass legislation to avert a meltdown. Santorum, as we saw in the debates, is likewise to the right of Perry (and Newt Gingrich, for that matter) on immigration.

    Indeed, Santorum?s supposed deviations from conservative orthodoxy are similar those of his rivals. He voted for earmarks and highway funds. Gov. Perry took the money. Santorum voted for Medicare Part D; Gingrich lobbied for it, and Perry said in a debate that he wouldn?t repeal it.”

    “And finally, Santorum has put together an aggressive spending reduction plan. He?s for the balanced-budget amendment. He?s embraced Rep. Paul Ryan?s Medicare reform plan. He?s in favor of Social Security reform, against energy subsidies, for privatizing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and in favor of repealing Obamacare. The guy is no liberal when it comes to spending taxpayer money. Is he to the right of Gingrich? Yes. To the left of Ron Paul? Yes. But so are most GOP voters.”

    —-

    Bottom-line: Of Newt, Santorum, and Romney .. Santorum is the one who is MOST fiscally conservative.
    Remember, Newt supported Medicare Part D, supported at one time healthcare mandates, and supported all the Bush programs you object to in Santorum’s voting record.

    Both Newt and Santorum are conservative. Just not perfect.

  • kamiller42

    1. Perry did not pass the bill. The Texas government did.

    2. The law does not pay tuiton. It allows children of illegal immigrants to pay in state tuition rates.

    3. These students have to enrolled in a naturalization process, i.e. become citizens.

    The issue here is about federal jurisdiction. Santorum has been accused of willing to wield the federal government’s power when it suits him, forfeiting any notion of whether it’s the right thing to do. This amendment is one example of overstepping and side with a party, the democrats, which has a history of total disregard for the 10th amendment.

  • rharrison

    from link you provided:

    You need to read the letter,? top Perry political strategist Dave Carney told The Daily Caller. ?He praised her efforts in trying to tackle the issue and urged her not to overlook rural Americans. The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything. No one could have imagined the horrible monstrosity she cooked up, in fact not to be outdone until ObamaCare years later.?

    ?As Agriculture Commissioner he was concerned that rural Americans would be overlooked and their options even more limited,? Carney continued. ?Working with the administration regardless of party, working with members of the other party, as long as you don?t violate your principles, is important to getting things done.?

    nt.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Santorum’s record is WELL to the right of W’s own big government agenda. This claim is simple false. I cited a Jen Rubin column that debunked it.

    Club for Growth has a good analysis. While Santorum isnt perfect, most of his deviations from an otherwise rock-solid conservative voting record are simply catering to his electorate (ie earmarks, vote against NAFTA, etc) Overall, his record is lower taxes lower spending and less Government.

    http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=902

    “Santorum has consistently supported broad-based tax cuts and opposed tax increases either by sponsoring key legislation or by casting votes on relevant bills. Some high profile votes include:

    Voted NO on the Clinton tax hike in 1993
    Voted YES on the capital gains tax cut in 1997
    Voted NO on a cigarette tax hike in 1998
    Voted YES on repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax in 1999
    Voted YES on the 2001 Bush tax cuts
    Voted YES to repeal the Death Tax in 2002
    Voted YES to the 2003 Bush tax cuts
    Voted YES to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2006

    “On spending, Santorum has a mixed record and showed clear signs of varying his votes based on the election calendar. In the 1990s, when he was only a freshman Senator, he was a leading author on the bill that completely overhauled the country?s welfare system. He also voted for the Freedom to Farm Act in 1996 that started the process of ending direct farm subsidies. When Congress decided that it couldn?t live up to that promise, it voted to re-establish the subsidies in 2002 with the Farm Security Act, a bill that Santorum rightly opposed. He also voted for a balanced budget amendment and a line-item veto in 1995.

    More recently, when he was out of Congress, Santorum opposed TARP , the stimulus , the auto bailout, and the Fannie-Freddie bailout.”

  • kamiller42

    That letter is simply a solicitation to Hillary to remember classes of people Perry represented when her committee discusses way to reform health care. It is NOT an endorsement of what came out of the committee.

  • marktx

    You fail to understand the significance of the Specter endorsement, so I won’t waste anymore time on it other than to say that Specter was one of the primary instigators who caused Robert Bork to be defeated. And it was Specter who was the 60th vote in support of ObamaCare.

    Santorum might be a nice guy and and a great family man. But he isn’t the right guy to lead this country…nor can is he the right guy to defeat Obama.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    The ‘moderate’ label on Huntsman is not lazy, but just a shorthand that he has far more non-conservative positions to account for than other candidates, and praised Obama and worked for Obama. Huntsman is loved by the media BECAUSE he is more moderate and not a conservative stick-in-the-mud. So Mr 1% never got vetted.

  • JSobieski

    (1) Perry signed the bill into law, and approved of it. Obviously no governor can unilaterally change the law, but if we are going to give Perry credit for laws that are positive he has to take the blame for changes that are negative. Your point #1 is so clever and non-substantive, it actually compelled me to resoind.

    (2) All public universities are subsidized by the state. The U ot Texas received public funding from Texas in addition to tuition. People paying in-state tuition are being effectively subsidized by the people paying out of state tuition and by the Texas taxpayer.

    Using your logic, Obamacare doesn’t pay for abortions—because it just subsidizes the vehicles by which abortions are paid for. Better to just admint that tuition is subsidized and that in-state tuition is a larger subsidy than out-of-state tuitition.

    (3) No argument.

  • kamiller42

    “But his record also contains several very weak spots, including his active support of wasteful spending earmarks, his penchant for trade protectionism, and his willingness to support large government expansions like the Medicare prescription drug bill and the 2005 Highway Bill.

    As president, Santorum would most likely lead the country in a pro-growth direction, but his record contains more than a few weak spots that make us question if he would resist political expediency when it comes to economic issues.”

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    this issue has been hashed out to death. No need to revisit it, but no point making excuses. Perry DID sign the bill, and praised it, and backed it up this year. Perry supports in-state tuition for illegal aliens. You may be okay with that, many of us oppose it and think its a bad idea.

  • JSobieski

    But he is relatively speaking worse on spending.

    Opposing spending as a private citizen is meaningless. The time to oppose spending is when you are one of 100 votes that matter, and when you are actually working is the legislative process.

    I give Santorum on A on fighting taxes.

    What spending did Santorum every oppose? His approach was very much like W’s—-give on spending issues so that you can get the other issues that matter more to you.

  • rharrison

    Take a look at Santorum’s voting record while in the Senate:
    http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27054/rick-santorum

    The votes reflect how his detractors on the right (like me) have painted him: – mainly a big government conservative in the mold of George W Bush. After 2010 is that what we want? Ask yourself, how does Santorum differ from GWB in any real way. He doesn’t.

  • Adjoran

    all the time.

    Bob Bennett, now defeated, was one, McConnell and Graham are two more. McCain is close to 85, over 80, so how is Santorum significantly more conservative than him even?

    The truth is they are ALL “compromise candidates” as Jonah Goldberg observed yesterday.

  • gekster

    Because others have. It’s the one they use most,
    from:
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62335.html

    the letter:

    ?I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation?s health care system are most commendable.?
    ?I would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation?s farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities,? Perry continued, noting his administration?s focus on economic development for rural Texans. ?Rural populations have a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often experience lack of services.?
    ?Again, your efforts are worthy,? Perry concluded, ?and I hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses.?

    The response after finding out what Hillarycare entails:

    Asked by TheDC about the 1993 letter, Perry?s presidential campaign defended it, saying the full scope of Clinton?s healthcare plan was not yet known when Perry signed it.
    ?You need to read the letter,? top Perry political strategist Dave Carney told The Daily Caller. ?He praised her efforts in trying to tackle the issue and urged her not to overlook rural Americans. The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything. No one could have imagined the horrible monstrosity she cooked up, in fact not to be outdone until ObamaCare years later.?

    ?As Agriculture Commissioner he was concerned that rural Americans would be overlooked and their options even more limited,? Carney continued. ?Working with the administration regardless of party, working with members of the other party, as long as you don?t violate your principles, is important to getting things done.?
    _________________________________________________
    note this part of the response:
    The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything. No one could have imagined the horrible monstrosity she cooked up, in fact not to be outdone until ObamaCare years later.?

    You obviously didn’t read the whole article either, or you would have seen the last part of my excerpt was in the DC article also.
    But when dissing Perry, facts don’t matter.

    And the other things you brought up have already been refuted many times since Perry announced.
    Your dislike of Perry is personal, not logical.

  • marktx

    Of course Santorum will say things during a campaign that make him sound like a fiscal conservative. They all do. That doesn’t mean they’re all telling the truth.

    Did you expect Santorum to campaign in Iowa and give speeches talking about his vote in support of Bush’s entitlement spending programs ?

  • seanl

    That explanation came 18 years after the fact, while he is in the middle of a Presidential campaign. Give me a break.

  • rharrison

    unelectable. Ask any independent voter who knows anything about Rick Santorum,, what they think about him.

  • seanl

    what the Clintons were trying to do at the time.

  • marktx

    n/t

  • rharrison

    to check out Santorum’s voting record in the Senate yet? http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27054/rick-santorum

    Your enthusiasm may be curbed after viewing.

  • Adjoran

    and against a national right to work law won’t play well, especially after our recent NLRB/Boeing fiasco.

    He also needs to account for how he buys a huge house for $0, and if he was receiving homestead exemptions for houses as primary residences in two states at the same time.

    http://tinyurl.com/7lk4yy2

  • aj_0000

    Conservatives are faced with an inevitable Romney nomination. This late in the process, there are places like this where people are trashing Santorum and Gingrich out of some desperate, misguided devotion to a candidate who’s only polling at 4%. Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are conservatives. You have to be ignorant, crazy or a liar to say otherwise. Their records are extremely solid.

    We are at a point where the only issue that matters is which one of the three remaining conservatives (Gingrich, Santorum, Perry) can beat Romney. Gingrich is the strongest option. Perry went from 30% in the polls down to 4%, and there was no Herman Cain type scandal that did it. He sunk himself. You don’t come back from that. Maybe in a future election, but not this one.

    I really hope nobody here is being paid by the Perry campaign. Because sometimes it gets hard to come to another conclusion.

  • JSobieski

    I would say however that the problems facing us at the moment are not issues on which Santorum has focused

    Reforming entitlements
    Cutting spending

    I understand that Santorum was from a blue state, and may have been restrained by that fact—but lets be honest with ourselves—-Santorum probably hasn’t spent more than 5 minutes thinking about Medicare reform before deciding to run for President this year.

    So, yes he like Romney says “I support the Ryan plan” [but don't expect me to ever discuss it in detail and put my political capital at risk].

    We need to get the debt under control, and that requires entitlement reform.

    On that issue, Santorum is not better than Romney.

  • rharrison

    I’ve been waiting for the sweetheart mortgage to get more play. His not supporting the Davis-Bacon Act should completely derail him in SC. That could be the opening for Perry.

  • kamiller42

    1. Perry did sign the bill and approve it, but it’s not a Perry bill. He didn’t single handedly write and sign it. People speak of the bill as if Perry operated in a vacuum. The fact is only 4 legislators voted against the bill. Perry was part of more than a super majority. And Texas, which has been lauded and ridiculed for being the most conservative state, elected Perry twice more after he signed it.

    So please, don’t tell me it’s a Perry bill or something he desired or wanted. What Perry wants is to shut the border down so these problems dry up.

    2. Subsidize is not reimbursement. Saying Texas is “paying tuition” is incorrect. The bill did not establish a scholarship for children of illegal immigrants.

  • quill67

    I will recommend (in morning) if you do.

    I hate this attacking conservatives for not being conservative enough. I know Romney is not conservative. But the rest (not perfect) but who is?

    I really hate that he voted to give voting rights to felons, hopefully he has changed his mind.

  • gekster

    Bill Clinton said about the instate tuition, and paraphrasing here,
    “What woild you rather have them do, sell drugs on a street corner?”

    So since Texas can’t deport them, re federal law, just what do you do with
    them who have graduated from a Texas High School, (which by the way the feds make the state educate, K-12), can’t deport them, (feds again) have been in the state three years through no fault of thier own, (can’t ya just see those kids kicking and screamig “No dad, it’s against the law to cross the border illegaly”)
    and have saved or earned the money to pay thier own way.
    Yes, they have to pay thier own way.
    And on a side note, those students make up only 1% of collage students.
    Just what do YOU do with them.

    And remember the Gardasil thing, when he was opposed to the will of the legaslature and people, and backed down.
    The same ones who support this particular program.

    Tell me, what does Freeedoms Truth do.

    Oh yeah, sell drugs on a street corner, right?

  • marktx

    Afterall, it don’t get any bluer than Massachusetts.

  • rharrison

    a month ago after being in the state for a year. Gingrich wasn’t much better two months ago. Things can change on a dime. Who’s knows this better than Santorum?

    Yes we all love our Perry here. Why is that you wonder? Because he’s clearly the best man for the job with the best record to boot. And in the craziest primary season we’ve ever seen anything’s possible. Sparks are gonna fly on Sat. night and somebody’s gonna detonate. Perry’s at 4% you say…well then good he won’t be a target.

    If he loses SC badly then indeed it’s over. But until then we hope. Gingrich unelectable (serial adulterer/chicken hawk/etc. all) Santorum unelectable (ask and independent voter). Romney it is I guess. I’ll take a second look at Paul first…

  • JSobieski

    However, it is not clear to me that how conservative Romney would be had he been in a red state.

    Romney was shameless in Michigan in 2008. He basically promised Japan style industrial policy to save the auto industry—and that was the conservative version of Romney.

  • marktx

    What they are doing is exposing certain candidates records which contradict the words they speak in campaigns.

    The US is over 15 trillion in debt. Based on his record in the senate, to suggest that Rick Santorum is the solution to our fiscal mess is to ignore history.

  • JSobieski

    He did more than just sign it—he spoke in favor of it. Why not just defend it on the merits instead of playing this kind of game.

    Illegals paying in-state tuition receive even more tax payer money than illegals paying out of state tuition.

    I never said reimbursement—but I note you ignored my anology to payment for abortions under Obamacare. Be honest, you did characterize Obamacare as paying for abortions, didn’t you?

    The distinction between subsidy vs. reimbursement does matter in a court of law, but in terms of policy it is hair splitting.

    Obamacare uses tax payor dollars to pay for abortions.

  • seanl

    Ask any independent voter: they think he has brain damage.

  • kamiller42

    … what Hillary was cooking up.

    This is no different than pro-lifers repeated calls for Obama to respect their conscience in Obamacare. Are they endorsing Obamacare? Of course not.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Rick Santorum has been running not just on a conservative agenda, but his conservative core values and conservative record. Here are some of his ratings, showing a 90% level conservative voting record during the Bush terms. And prior, Santorum was part of the conservative Republican Congress in the 1990s that brought us welfare reform, lower spending, a balanced budget, several tax cuts and ‘freedom to farm’.

    Santorum was and is a solid conservative and the record bears that out. Marktx – can you PLEASE get really informed instead of making ill-informed attacks on conservative Senator Rick Santorum?

    http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27054/rick-santorum
    2005 Republican Liberty Caucus – Economic Liberties Score 90%
    2004 Republican Liberty Caucus – Positions 87%
    2003-2004 Campaign for Working Families – Positions 100%
    2003-2004 Concerned Women for America – Positions 100%
    2005 American Conservative Union – Positions 92%
    2003 Concerned Women for America – Positions 100%
    2003 Eagle Forum – Positions 87%
    2003 National Journal – Conservative on Economic Policy Score 82%
    2003 American Conservative Union – Positions 90%

  • gekster

    from:
    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/08/31/perry-romney-health-care/

    excerpt:
    The letter first came to light when Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson sought to unseat Perry as governor in 2006. According to the Caller, after a Perry videographer captured Hutchinson embracing Hillary Clinton at an event and used it to buttress claims she was too liberal, the senator?s camp dug up the letter to show Perry?s own Hillary history. Considering Perry had little trouble dispensing with Hutchinson?s challenge (despite the backing she received from Karl Rove? and the George W. Bush camp), Romney can?t take much comfort from the precedent.

    Simple search, AND reading would give you the facts, and regarless of the date,
    the letter WAS penned before the details came out.
    I would call it a nice try, but this is as lame as it gets.

  • cimmarontrails

    Bachman coined the term “heartless.” Perry said no more than Newt said saying we were inconsiderate. Watch the whole debate again on youtubue and find Santorum got the boos talking over Perry during Perry’s response time. Perry did not implode as much as the pundits, even Fox News is in with the Establishment against Perry. The Establishment does not want a shellacking again either. But, if not Perry…we loose. Think on it…Romney or Perry…the war chest will matter to take Romney out…and the gloves have to come off. Same with obama. Obama will wipe out Romney, Santorum and Gingrich faster than he did McCain.

    Perry’s came out with gun blazing…he won the first two debates he was in…but the pundits gained up and we followed them. Just as Erick has to do the work here…the lazy journalist are not even worth following. Follow Red State…be more informed! Thanks Erick! Fine Patriotic duty you have done!

  • pttx333

    over and over and over … ad nauseum! At least come up with some new phrase or information. Jeeeeezzzzz …

  • JSobieski

    http://www.statesman.com/opinion/perry-rightly-defends-tuition-program-1864287.html?printArticle=y

    Perry says he is “proud” of what happened, and you are arguing trivialities such as “he didn’t right the bill”.

    You should just defend the policy on the merits. The Perry is just a governor, and legislation originates in the legislature, etc. is silly.

    If he didn’t “want it” at the time, he is at least “proud” of it now.

    Its a defensible position, but don’t split hairs. Perry to his credit doesn’t try to play these kind of games.

  • gekster

    and a poor one at that.
    All he does is run around trying to convince everyone here that perry is the worst thing since cancer.
    He ain’t to good at it.

  • cimmarontrails

    Check out CREW’s most corrupt Congress list…Santorum was number three…Erick is right…and then how about Santorum’s latest reply on Fox News…he still backs Ear Marks…and how many would congress decided they can get away with once we get Santorum…not small ones…but Big earmarks again. And Santorum got in DeMint’s face over them too. At least DeMint can wean himself…Santorum likes to spend. He voted to raise the debt ceiling eight times…and he also voted for Bush’s Prescription Plan…more unfunded to add to our deficit today. No, Sir, Travis…Santorum is not the answer we are looking for.

    You live in Texas, and should be proud of the land of opportunity we have. We are the land of the most free too. Gov. Perry has done wonders for us. Our record does not lie…facts are stubborn things…and even the pundits need to find them.

  • pttx333

    sometimes. I’m gonna have to get an extra large size fly swatter or some Raid! Maybe even Febreze to get out the stench they leave behind. ;-)

    Thanks, dear heart!

    Mom

  • cimmarontrails

    Perry is still in…Iowa means nothing if we don’t let it…my grand daughter lives up there…She said the caucus is nothing but a glorified straw poll…and why it usually means little further down the road. UNITY….UNITY will get us the best and proven choice…and beat obama…IT WORKS EVERY TIME…UNITY!

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …like being a rabid atheist moby who’s pushing Santorum despite the fact that he’s a hardcore social conservative (particularly on gay rights)?

    Oh, right, you can’t actually answer. Silly me.

    Moe Lane

    PS: ‘brokeback.’ That was your fail. That’s what made me check. Personally, I support SSM myself, but sneering at Perry for his jacket was just a touch too out-of-character for a Santorum supporter for me not to run a check. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  • federalfarmer1

    To killing jobs, and you can’t be serious about creating jobs if you support that. I realize Pennsylvania is a union state, but come on.

    If we want to create jobs and cut spending, republicans need to keep taking hard to unions as walker and kasich have started. Kill public unions, kill Da vis bacon, and neuter the nlrb libs. Santorum needs to get serious on this stuff he wants to be a credible alternative to romney.

  • federalfarmer1

    He should have just said it was a long time ago and views were still evolving towards free market views.

    Also, whoever said Newt is a hickenhawk should return to atrios comment boards. That is not a conservative criticism, its a fallacious democratic debate tactic.

  • kamiller42

    And that’s my problem with the root post.

    And of course, the implication of the root post is Perry is soft on illegal immigration, which is ridiculous. It would be like saying Santorum is soft on crime because he supported giving felons the right to vote.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Started by former Kerry staffers to attack Republicans.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Diary was put up:

    http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/01/06/rick-santorum-yes-he-is-a-true-conservative/

    Rick Santorum is running as he voted as a Senator. Consistent and conservative.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    after writing that fawning letter about how great Obama was.

    He’s running in the wrong primary.

    And Reagan never ran against FDR so the comparison is in-apt.

  • JSobieski

    Perry is “proud” of the policy, so why are you so reluctant to associate the policy with him.

    Was Perry exaggerating? Was Perry mischaracterizing?

    Tax payer dollars are part of the in-state tuiition discount. The people who pay more so that the illegals can get the instate discount are tax payers and out of state tuition payers.

    Not an exaggeration. Not a micharacterization.

    Argue the facts about the border, but don’t demean yourself or Perry with this kind hair splitting.

  • JSobieski

    and Newt has been advocating for Medicare reform back when Paul Ryan was too young to drink at a bar.

    People are so quick to diminish lifetime records of accomplishment based on the inevitable chinks in the armor.

    Its not productive, and its not smart.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    What spending did Santorum ever oppose?

    He was FOR the spending-cut budgets of the 1990s. for welfare reform, for freedom to farm, for the BBA. Helped balance the budget.

    Voted against dashcle’s budget busting 2002 farm bill.

    He also opposed TARP in 2008 when Newt and Romney supported it.

    Yes, he had votes for some of Bush’s spending items, but that doesnt mean he was 100% bad on spending, more a mixed bag.

    http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/01/06/rick-santorum-yes-he-is-a-true-conservative/

  • JSobieski

    How often did Santorum do something about spending?
    How often did Santorum try to do something about entitlements?

    These are the two big issues the nation is confronted with, and he is not impressive on this issues.

    If this was 2004, he would win in a landslide–but it isn’t.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Why would I get convinced by a bad argument just because a politician I detest made it?

    That’s a phony strawman argument. I’ve heard them. Not convinced. I dont want my texas taxpayer money subsidizing their tuition.

    You are wrong that Texas “cant” deport them. Our politicians WONT deport them, couldnt even pass the sanctuary cities bill, because of fear of the hornets nest real enforcement would kick up. Thats the REAL story here. Republicans fear of being called racist, and LULAC threats to politicians who stand up and do something, and the cheap labor lobby (some of them giving Perry money) in cahoots to keep the broken status quo.

  • JSobieski

    Santorum did not lead the charge on the issues you mention–except maybe welfare reform.

    I remember Santorum on a lot of Sunday talk shows over the years—and I never remember him talking about cutting spending.

    He was good on fighting tax increases, but so was W.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “Yes we all love our Perry here. Why is that you wonder? Because he?s clearly the best man for the job with the best record to boot. ”

    I like him too.

    But he won’t be our next President. He’s in single digits in national primary polls, will come in 5th or worse in NH. He’s in single digits in SC now.

    And trashing Santorum won’t change that.

    And btw, ask any independent voter if they like *Perry*… sorry, santorum has a better shot than Perry at winning the catholic midwest swing voters.

  • kamiller42

    … which candidate has the best philosophical vision and record to show he has the cure for what ails America?

    Problems We Have
    1. Economy in bad shape.
    2. Jobs deficient.
    3. Overreaching and ever growing federal government.

    So the candidate America needs needs…
    1. To believe in removing the constraints on the market.
    2. Establish an environment which encourages business owners to create new jobs.
    3. Understands what limited government is and not believe government is a force for good that has just been mishandled by previous operators.

    Here’s the break down of the 3 candidates:

    Newt:
    1. Yes… mostly. Still supports subsidies.
    2. Yes
    3. No. He believes what the government has been missing is his brain.

    Santorum:
    1. No. Santorum is not interested in a level playing field, e.g. tariffs, corporate tax breaks for some, subsidies, etc.
    2. Yes.
    3. No. I won’t say he believes in big government, but he does believe in an activist government. I get a Boromir vibe from him.

    Perry:
    1. Yes. He is a free market guy. Ex: Let the different energy sources play on a level playing field. No ethanol subsidies. Cost him Iowa. Oh well.
    2. Yes. Hello Texas. 1,000,000+ new jobs.
    3. Yes. He is governor, aka executive, of a state which loves limited government and lives by it. He knows the value of limited government for the governed.

    So yea. I look at what the country needs and match it with the candidate with the best record and ideas. It’s Rick Perry.

    Note: This overview ignored past warts and judged completely on where the candidates have stated they stand today.

  • gekster

    I won’t either.

    Try reading his letter again and the reply when Huthinson tried to use it.

    And one more thing, you knew all about Obamacare when he proposed it also, didn’t you.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    in 2005, not just this campaign. He backed Social security reform.

    Club for Growth notes: “In 2005, Santorum led the charge to adopt personal accounts on behalf of President Bush.”

    Santorum also wants to turn Medicaid back to the states from being an entitlement.

  • gekster

    They don’t get susidies, they have to pay the rate charged to residents.
    They are in the state for three year, they are pretty much a resident.
    Anyone else from the other states, when shown to have lived instate for one year get the instate rate also.
    And foreigners whith a visa can get the same after one year residency.
    I don’t build nothing with straw, so that doesn’t apply.
    Just admit you don’t have any idea how to handle a tenable situation.
    But I get the jist of your post.
    You made that quit clear. “just because a politician I detest made it”
    And read up on the lawsuits, the feds wont let them be deported.
    But I know, a politician you ‘detest’ is at fault.

  • red_oakster

    Fascinating.. It looks like a genuine disagreement about how to advance conservatism ib the lead up to S Carolina.

  • johnjohn23

    No offense, but this is ridiculous. We need to get behind someone NOW or we’re going to be stuck with ROMNEY. I know Erick is against Santorum, I’m not thrilled about him either, but this is NOT a reason why.

    It’s true that one would assume that most felons would vote Democrat (the venn-diagram overlap of Dems and Felons is probably HUGE!) and that would explain why most Republicans would vote against it, but it is not anti-federalist to say that the federal government controls who elects its nominees, and it’s not anti-conservative to restore rights to people who have finished their sentences. In fact that’s what conservatives do – people who work within the system earn things. In this case committing a crime loses rights, and completing sentences restores them. There’s simply nothing anti-conservative about it.

    So yes, he voted against republicans, but not against conservatism. And lets not pretend that there are a large number of felons off probation, off parole, who would bother to go out and register and take the time to vote, everyone knows that most of the people committing crimes aren’t concerned about voting anyway.

    We need to be taking every vote we can from Romney, and bashing the one person who matched him in Iowa is not helping. Especially when the vote was non-probation ex-felon voting rights.

  • aj_0000

    The question is not which candidate of the three you like best. The question is which one has the best chance of beating Romney.

  • A_Texan

    And his tagline, “bringing back the values,” proved it. Like the German spies who didn’t know who won the world series.

  • A_Texan

    Two questions: (1) authority of Congress, and (2) merits.

    1. Authority
    It is arguable that Congress does have the authority under the Fifteenth Amendment insofar as the voting restrictions have the effect, and in some cases, had the original purpose, of restricting the suffrage of blacks.

    Apart from the Fifteenth Amendment, the original Constitution supports the law insofar as the disenfranchisement, although state law, depends upon the felon’s federal conviction. Congress can, I believe, act to prevent felons from being punished for federal crimes in a manner greater than COngress determines.

    2. Whether it’s a good idea. Complicated, there may be a justice to it, at least with reference to less severe felonies. More importantly, it may be prudent, insofar as restoring voting rights may have some re-integrating effect that makes felons less likely to commit crime.

    Moreover, there is a justice to the children of felons. Children are in large measure virtually represented by their parents. Where those children live in communities where a large percentage of the adult population are disenfranchised, the children will suffer more acute non-representation.

    I probably would have voted against the measure, though. But I am not scandalized by a Republican voting in favor.

    3. Now as to the merits of your post–suffice it to say as a tentative convert to Santorumism (much as I tentatively supported Perry), your posts, which reflect such indiscriminate outrage at all of his supposed offenses, regardless of the gravity, make me less likely to be persuaded by the next chapters of your Anti-Santorum Manifesto.

  • mainstreamconservative

    The fact that not everyone agrees with Santorum?s vote on this measure is fine is with me, even though I think I do agree with him. After all, it?s an emotive issue and I can see both sides of it.

    The way Erick phrases the issue in his opening paragraph is technically correct, but a little misleading. Yes, we ARE talking about giving ?felons, including rapists, drug traffickers, and arsonists,? the right to vote.

    But it?s not case that tens of thousands of criminals locked in their cells for evil crimes would get the right to vote. As Harry Reid said, ONLY ex-felons who had completed their parole and probation would be allowed to vote again.

    There is an undercurrent to Erick?s diary piece, which seems to be ?Look at Rick Santorum ? he?s not the conservative that he claims to be!? That may well be true, but this particular issue isn?t a conservative-liberal one. (If it was, that would make the likes of Biden, Feinstein, Edwards and Dodd conservatives, too, since they voted with most Republicans on this issue.)

    As I say, this is an emotive issue, and I can see both points of view. But to use Santorum?s vote on this issue as evidence that he is somehow not a proper conservative is disingenuous.

  • dvdmsr

    Many live in Texas more than the three years required; they and their families paying Texas taxes all along, so I think since Texas can’t deport them, letting them enjoy the same privileges that their fellow taxpayers enjoy is hardly out of line.

  • A_Texan

    Sorry for the last comment–it was needlessly snotty. I know you’re convinced that someone other than Santorum should be the anti-Romney, and write accordingly I think he’s the least bad of the bunch.

  • jimmyg

    http://www.austincc.edu/support/financialaid/noncitizens.php

    “Senate Bill 1528 replaces House Bill 1403 and continues the eligibility of undocumented students to qualify as residents if they have lived in Texas for the 36 months prior to high school graduation or the receipt of the GED.

    These students are eligible to apply for state aid such as Texas Grant, Texas Educational Opportunity Grant, Texas Public Education Grant, or CAL Loans. ‘

    Texas is one of the few states that in addition to offering instate tuition to illegals, also offers financial aid through the State.

  • romans12n2

    There has only been one perfect man and He was the Son of God! As far as Erick’s requirement to explain how every R except Santorum and Specter were right… I don’t know for sure about this particular vote just yet, but I can give you an example. Does Bachmann and the Debt Ceiling vote ring a bell? I believe that one was Bachmann and the crazy old guy who stood up against the entire GOP. Listen, I like Perry. And I have always liked Erick, but these days the posts are getting as one-sided as the MSM. If you’re gonna attack Santorum, who is one of us and could possibly be our nominee, Lord willing, You could at least post his side of the argument and let the readers decide. Or have you decided that You should make the choice for us like the people Perry used to work for?

  • Scope

    How did that work out for them? Rush went on and on for two weeks about Palin earlier in the season, and how did that work out for him?

  • Return to Revolution

    Santorum had a GOA rating of C while Specter was a C-, in the PA Gun Lobby group FOAC (Firearm owners against crime) he was rated at about 60, and Specter a 54 on their votes (NRA ratings are garbage; if they like you they give you an A). He endorsed Specter and then campaigned for Lincoln Chafee in RI. He also had to be dragged to our side on amnesty – was not for border security until forced into it. Time after time, he went along with the big spending republicans and put party before principles.

    Also consider the result of his endorsement of Specter over Toomey in 2004. The GOP was behind Specter too – maybe it wouldn’t have mattered. But the Specter won that primary by something like 15,000 votes out of a million. If Toomey wins that primary and the general, he is the 60th vote the dems need and blocks Obamacare in 2009.

  • swamphermit

    Besides the fact that it’s Rick Santorum’s turn to be attacked by RS?

    Another fact…I will not vote for Rick Perry no matter how hard RS promotes him! Nor will I vote for Romney…I will vote for Obama over either of those two!

    The Government has already forced too many laws down our throats, but that doesn’t seem to bother many Republicans. The Government/s also deside if the laws will be felonies…great, let the Government deside how to punish the citizens.

    I’m an ex-con. Rights fully restored (other than firearm ownership) by State of Florida some 16-+ years ago. Didn’t require me applying for it either.

    Now, why is speeding in a vehicle not a felony? Speeding probably causes more deaths in America than guns. Why is cheating on taxes not a Capital Crime? Cheaters are aiding America’s enemies by stealing from our protection funds.

    BTW, this post should also define felon and ex-felon a lot better…

  • jakeofalltrades

    for saying we should not persecute people we can’t deport. I am in favor of deporting all the illegals right now, but a regime of persecution and second-class status being imposed on our neighbors and fellow taxpayers is an outrage and an affront against our oldest American values.

  • unitedwestood

    But unless Rick P can clean up the immigration stance he’s lost. I hate it that something so simple, that I believe was twisted would disqualify, in my opinion, the only one that IS qualified. I’ve talked to friends in other states that have said ” We don’t want our boarders over ran with illegals trying to get here for ‘free’ education”. Now, that’s not what he said, but that is what many heard.

    Also, Rick P was on Hannity’s radio show and explained his postition on illegals and what exactly it is that Texas does. Then very next hour Rick S was on spewing the same drivel of instate tuition, but when Sean backed him in the corner about educating these illegals, Rick S said ” Yes, I would educate them, I just wouldn’t give them instate tuition”. Yet, Sean NEVER corrected Santorum on his misleading statements about Rick Perry. Hannity and Fox are in the tank for Romney. Hopefully Newt will take care of Romney and he won’t get about 5% coming up……. Yes, anyone but Obama, but I feel that Romney would be a disaster! If we don’t get this right, then too have maginalized ourselves, as the democrats have done with Obama.

  • jswolter

    Is there an inherent problem with letting people vote once they’ve served their time in jail that I’m not aware of? What conservative principle dictates that Republicans should be against such a move?

  • jkines

    The day the GOP nominates a protectionist like Rick Santorum as its candidate for the presidency is the day that we will forever cede the banner of free markets and economic liberty. Santorum’s destructive trade policies would send an economy already ailing into the death throes of a double dip recession.

    Furthermore, free markets and economic liberty are, in many ways, the ties that bind the big tent of the GOP. Not only would the ascendance of Santorum destroy our economy, it would shatter the Republican coalition as well. The factionalism left in the wake of George W. Bush’s big government conservatism pales in comparison to the divisiveness that would be engendered by nominating a protectionist apologist for big labor.

  • eheassler

    This is the USA. Redemption for crimes committed should be possible for those who have completed lengthy sentences, parole, and all other terms of their sentencing. They screwed up, paid for it, met all terms of sentencing and at that point should be able to have full citizenship rights restored, assuming they are of course, citizens. I think it is a common sense approach to rehabilitation and using it as a wedge issue to discredit Santorum is a red herring at best and in my opinion, reinforces Santorum’s creds as an up from blue collar success story who has strong core values, the possiblty of redemption being one of them.

  • eheassler

    The fraud is in the White House!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    .

  • jakeofalltrades

    When you serve your time, your rights should be restored. I’m glad they were for you.

  • windwaker24

    I like Perry. I hate Santorum. Therefore your statement isn’t all that accurate.

  • Paul_Zummo

    Romney’s approval rating was 34% in November 2006. The only reason he wasn’t booted out of office by double digits was because he didn’t run again.

  • Robbrou

    Well said romans. I have always valued this site in its fight for conservative principles but it is becoming almost unbearable to read anymore… and very predictable. It’s Santorum’s turn to bear the wrath because he is the anti-Romney and NOT Perry. It is clear more every day that this site has one goal and that is to tear down every leading candidate not named Perry until we are stuck with a nominee who can’t remember three items.

    The simple fact is that Santorum would be an improvement over Obama of EPIC proportions and coupled with a Conservative congress could easily undo much of the damage done in the last 4 years.

  • Michael Dugas

    Ex cons and Felons are easy targets for people to use as examples of how they are tough on crime and criminals. It’s easy because there’s no pressure to show any compassion for them. They made their bed so let them sleep in it so to speak. But that whole attitude is one of the reasons recidivism is so high and it’s extremely Un-American.
    We have always been a country known for second chances and supporting the underdog yet we have no problem it seems tossing aside millions of our own citizens for the mistakes they make. They commit a crime, go to jail, serve their penance but spend the rest of their lives on the outside in many ways never really able to finish paying for that crime. They struggle to find jobs to support themselves and their families, never able to really advance in life. Left bitter and ostracized by their communities and really unforgiven.
    I see you shot for the real emotional response by choosing rapists,drug traffickers, and arsonists for your examples but they are the smallest of subsets of criminals. The sad thing is that the guy busted for a bag of pot or theft or bad checks isn’t treated much better than those you mentioned and there are many more millions of them comparatively.
    You take these people and you work to include them in to society. They should be allowed to actually finish paying their debt to society and become part of the community again otherwise you are just pushing them back to become burdens on society.
    I’d like to state that I’m not some soft on crime wuss. Those criminals that are a continuing danger to a safe society should be dealt with in sentencing. Harsh sentencing. Repetitive rapists, pedophiles etc…we shouldn’t have to worry about them getting back out into society. But there are millions who are prevented from having a positive role in society because society has created a system that never lets them finish paying for their mistakes even after they supposedly have.

  • Tbone

    The biggest problem this Nation has is that too many unqualified people are voting. Just look at the idiots that have flowed from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Newt and now Santorum based on TOTALLY SUPERFICIAL thought processes.

    Then, we have public employees and welfare recipients. No one should be allowed to vote for anyone that can raise your government issued check.

  • Michael Dugas

    There’s a real nightmare waiting to happen. There will always be one group who will benefit from the policies of someone running. You can’t exclude people for such superficial reasons.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I just think voting should be restricted on the front-end, Something more should be required than age and a heartbeat. And I strongly believe that if you pay your debt to society, you should be fully restored (except firearms for violent criminals).

    However, I’m not that old, and therefore not that wise, so I’m always open to persuasion.

  • Tbone

    I have no problem giving non violent offenders the right to EARN back their vote. Violent offenders wouldn’t be a problem because in my system they would have been harvested for their organs anyway.

    Why put a person in prison for more than 5 years? If they need to be jailed for longer than that, part them out to help deserving people needing transplants.

    “Tbone, reforming the prison system one kidney at a time.”

  • jakeofalltrades

    Tbone would make an excellent judge of who should vote.

    Would you harvest Iowa, too, Tbone, seeing as they’re really just vegetables?

  • westcoastpatriette

    Just for fun.

  • Michael Dugas

    BTW they earn back the right to vote by finishing their sentences. I know crazy idea huh.

  • renl57

    The unintended consequence of those “three strikes and you’re out” laws (much touted by President Clinton), when applied to drug offenses, has produced a machine that has classified over one million young black men as felons. Severely damaging their future career and life prospects–as well as taking away their right to vote.

    A young man gets arrested on a drug offense. Some public defender urges him to take a plea bargain. This happens a second time. The third time the young man is caught by “three strikes and you’re out.”

    This particular legislation went too far.

    I don’t think I would like convicted murderers or rapists to have the right to vote restored.

    But maybe if enough citizens victimized by our stupid drug laws got back their right to vote, they would help get those laws reformed.

  • Finrod

    .

  • renl57

    The Boston Globe, which has always been a liberal Dem newspaper which endorsed every politician named Kennedy, today endorsed Huntsman in an editorial. They cited all his relatively moderate views on global warming and so forth as their reasons.

    Huntsman (and his supporters like you) try to paint Huntsman as a conservative. But true conservatives don’t get endorsed by the Boston Globe and get called moderate by a bunch of pro-Kennedy liberals.

  • doctorbob

    I have to say that I have some SERIOUS, SERIOUS problems with disenfranchising felons in perpetuity. I do not think it’s right to judge a man (or woman) by the worst day of their life. Criminals age, and many of them change. Should we judge all people by that ONE day they did something stupid when they were 18 or 20? If you tried marijuana when you were a teenager, does that brand you a drug addict for life? If you exceeded the speed limit last week, shall we hang a sign around your neck identifying you as a reckless driver, AND require that you wear that sign for the rest of your life? Felons who have paid their debt to society should be allowed to rejoin that society. After all, they are expected to pay taxes and participate in society, so do they not have the same right to vote? Yes, I fully understand there are violent career criminals, and that’s a different matter. Yes, I fully understand that sex offenders do not change. But does that disqualify them from voting? I don’t think so. I think that one of the premises of America is that you are given another chance, and have the right to start over and rebuild your life. You should be able to get a job, vote, and yes, own a gun. Ex-felons have families that need protecting, too. (I would make an exception for violent criminals, of course, but just because you had a few recreational drugs in your pocket 30 years ago and picked up a felony conviction should not disenfranchise you for life!) Either the Constitution protects us ALL and gives rights to us ALL, or it gives rights to NONE of us. If exceptions can be made, then that leaves the door open to except ALL of us from those freedoms. Constitutional rights should apply to EVERY AMERICAN, and that would INCLUDE ex-felons. Let them vote!

  • Finrod

    Check out what his signature got changed to, heh.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    As a Texas taxpayer, I pay into the $10 billion state funding of state colleges. In-state tuition rates are a subsidy from the total cost. As noted by others, there is also about $50 million or so in scholarship money that goes to illegal aliens in Texas. Taxpayer money.

    Conservatives in Texas and the Texas REPUBLICAN PARTY POSITION IS TO OPPOSE IN-STATE TUITION FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Check the party platform. There is nothing untenable about changing that law to remove one more incentive and subsidy for illegal aliens. And if they are people who become drug dealers, fine reason to deport them.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Finrod

    They’re probably more likely to know the perverse meaning that lefties tried attaching to Santorum’s name than the man himself.

    I’m not a particular fan of Perry, but IMHO he’d be better against Obama than either Santorum or Romney.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • kamiller42

    What you call hair splitting is what I call accurately presenting the facts.

    If you think I am trying to separate Perry from the bill, you need to re-read “Details matter…”, specifically point 1.

    I will state again that my exaggeration/mischaracterization statement was about the root post, i.e. the first post.

    “Rick Perry wants to pay tuition for folks who come here illegally ? no jail time. ”

    That is an exaggeration. Since it is not clear to you what I mean, let me make it more accurate…

    “Rick Perry wants to subsidize tuition for children of folks who come here illegally even though he has spent $400 million on border enforcement, which is a duty of the federal government, joined Arizona in their against the fed, called for abolishment of sanctuary cities, and passed legislation like the Voter ID bill.”

    Ok, I greatly transform the “no jail time” bit, because it is just not true. The idea is absurd anyway. Illegal immigrants don’t receive jail time; they get deported. And yes, Rick Perry and Texas does do that a lot, probably more than any other state.

  • acat

    than let some illegals go to community college?

    That seems to be a very non-pragmatic approach to the problem.

    Mew

  • kamiller42

    Romney does not hold an exclusive license of beating Obama. I think even Ron Paul can beat Obama.

    Have you seen Obama’s record? Not saying this is a slam dunk, but there is plenty to work with.

  • joshdunn

    Can you post whatever it was that caused you to raise an eyebrow?

    I share many of seanl’s doubts about both Santorum and Perry. I support Romney in the primary and any Republican against Obama.

    Does that make me a moby as well?

    If you can enlighten me as to what seanl did to deserve banning, it would help to assuage my concerns that this site is ruled by some kind of groupthink where people with a dissenting view about Perry, Romney, or the lastest not-Romney candidate are treated with suspicion, derision, and ultimately banning by a moderator.

    I can understand banning people who post racist stuff or fringe conspiracy stuff or even pro-Obama stuff. But I don’t think that seanl’s comments rose to that level. Not the ones I saw, at least.

  • gekster

    I did notice that male students, as a requirement,
    have to register for selective service.

  • kamiller42

    On 12/27, Santorum’s RCP average was 7.7%. Mere days later, he wins Iowa.

    On 1/4, Santorum’s national average was 4.8%.

    So tell me again how single digit candidates can’t win.

  • jakeofalltrades

    You start…

  • wbf

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71077.html

    I don’t know if you saw it but Politico ran this story this week on January 4th.

    Panic is setting in.

  • jakeofalltrades

    n//t

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    stop catering to illegal aliens, stop making foolish excuses, and stop feeding the broken system. There is a lot Texas could do and does NOT do, because the leaders are politically unwilling to buck LULAC and the cheap labor (aka homebuilders) lobby.

    and its the bogus Obama DoJ’s call if they want to twist the law – which BTW explicitly FORBIDS DREAM-Act style bills like this (did you not know this?):

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/11/providing-in-state-tuition-for-illegal-aliens-a-violation-of-federal-law

    “Federal law prohibits state colleges and universities from providing in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens ?on the basis of residence within the State??unless the same in-state rates are offered to all citizens of the United States. Today, 12 states are circumventing this federal law, and the legal arguments offered to justify such actions are untenable, no matter what other policy arguments are offered in their defense. ”

    Based on actual Federal law, Rick Perry position / policy is more prone to legal challenge than the Texas GOP party platform position opposing in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

    It’s our job to boot Obama and pro-amnesty politicians out of federal office. And in the meantime follow Arizona’s lead and do everything we can at the state level. THAT is the pragmatic thing to do.

  • kamiller42

    The post and commentators, me included, should distinguish between felon and ex-felon.

    The larger issue with Santorum’s vote is whether the federal government should be dictating voting requirements in this matter.

    More of this…
    “I will vote for Obama over either of those two!”

    Will get you more of this…
    “The Government has already forced too many laws down our throats.”

  • acat

    ..since the Texas Dream Act passed by an overwhelming – not just veto-proof – margin.

    Seems to me several of the GOPers you’re talking about thought it was a good idea.

    Are you *sure* you’re in Texas?

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    n/encroachment

  • acat

    Given the names mentioned, seems like the agenda is more likely “Can we really get Santorum nominated?”…

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    The top four candidates in NH, SC and national polls are:
    Gingrich, Paul, Santorum, Romney.

    “The question is which one has the best chance of beating Romney.”

    That IS the question.

    IMHO, with Gingrich in 3rd place now in SC and with him going ballistic on Romney, which may hurt Romney but doesnt help his image as the elder statesman type, and with Santorum now in 2nd in NH and SC in polls, the ‘anti-Romney’ candidate – like it or not – is Santorum. If you think the answer is Rick Perry, you must have slept through the news out of Iowa this week. He’s in single digits.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • pttx333

    group he really represents – trial lawyers? Bushies? Furthermore, His name may not be Travis since Austin is in Travis County. He doesn’t think like most of us think.

  • acat

    Santorum can’t win the general. Therefore, he fails the “Support the most conservative candidate who can win in the general” test.

    Supporting Santorum, who proved conclusively in PA that being George Bush’s cheerleader is a dead-end job, will give us four more years of Obama.

    I decline to participate in your delusions.

    Mew

  • gekster

    It goes to the institution, not the student.
    The collages get it so they can lower the price for everyone, not just illegals.
    Whether the student is illegal or not, or even if they go at all, the institution still gets the money.
    And since the illegals have had to have lived in Texas for a fair amount of time, it would be safe to say that they have paid taxes, and put money into the system.
    But what I say won’t matter to you, because it is supported by a candidate that you have said you detest.

    And what has changed since 03 when the Texas legislature, dominated by Republicans, passed the bill that Perry signed.
    Can you show a copy of the Republican party platform for 2011.

  • nicephorus1phokas

    we might be able to horsetrade and get someone else. I know Ron Paul will stay in to the end and collect his share of delegates. Now, if we can keep Gingrich and Santorum in, hopefully they would carry enough states in the South and West to deny Romney a majority of delegates. Then, conservatives and RINOs can battle it out on the convention floor, ala 1964.

  • nicephorus1phokas

    we might be able to horsetrade and get someone else. I know Ron Paul will stay in to the end and collect his share of delegates. Now, if we can keep Gingrich and Santorum in, hopefully they would carry enough states in the South and West to deny Romney a majority of delegates. Then, conservatives and RINOs can battle it out on the convention floor, ala 1964.

  • carolynr

    Are you interested in saving the country or saving the dyfunctional progressive movements of the Republicans

  • pttx333

    s

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Yes, I live in Texas and I know what is going on here.
    Texans oppose in-state tuition for illegal aliens by 70% to 30% margin:

    http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/11_5_3.html
    “and for a proposal to end in-state tuition for illegal immigrants (67% strongly support, and 10% somewhat support). ”

    If you live in Texas you should know that.

    “Seems to me several of the GOPers you?re talking about thought it was a good idea.”

    Not GOPers – *politicians*. And they did it in 2002, before it became an even hotter hot potato.

    if you know statehouse politics, you should know that being soft on illegal aliens is one area where TAB (Texas Association of Business) has allied with liberal groups (LULAC) etc. to stymie the tough-on-illegal-aliens positions. It’s why Texas has a weaker set of laws than most other states.

    conservative state Sen Brian Birdwell, being new to the lege, tried to change the Dewhurst/Perry status quo and overturn instate tuition …

    http://timesoftexas.com/2011/05/09/birdwell-no-in-state-tuition-for-noncitizens/

    … he got shot down. The liberal Democrats were in the lead opposing him.

    If you dont know that 70% of Texans and 90% of Texas Republicans *oppose* instate tuition for illegal aliens, that conservatives have tried to overturn this law for years but got stopped by lobbyists and ‘powers that be’ and Perry is with the lobbyists on this, I have to ask YOU: Are you *sure* you?re in Texas?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I think like a Texas conservative, one who doesnt make assumptions about how other people think.

  • nicephorus1phokas

    The fight we wage in the primaries and at the convention is far more important to the future of America than the fight we wage with Obama.

  • nicephorus1phokas

    The fight we wage in the primaries and at the convention is far more important to the future of America than the fight we wage with Obama.

  • kamiller42

    He needs to begin separating personal crusade issues from public policy. The left and the media will be more than happy to portray Santorum’s personal opinions as proposed public policy, and that will hurt him. Chris Matthews is already crying “theocracy! theocracy!” The echo chamber called mainstream media will happily play along in milder terms.

    He needs to make very clear what he would actually do as president. And if it’s not public policy, do not address unless addressed. He is very good about explaining his position when asked, most of the time.

    He got caught up in a mini-debate with some kid at a college yesterday about homosexual marriage. He should not have participated in a back and forth. He should have stated his position, given his reasoning (and it’s always very logical IMO), and moved on. He must have been tired and confused the college for the senate chamber.

  • wbf

    I subscribe to To The Point News…a newsletter of Dr. Jack Wheeler.
    This week he brought the Politico article to his readers’ attention. He will be attending. It will be held in the home of Judge Paul Pressler near Houston, Texas. Dr. Wheeler is a strong supporter of Gov. Rick Perry. He will be there as an advocate for Gov. Perry.

    Personally, I think the primary reason Perry did so poorly in Iowa was because he stated clearly that he was against subsidies for ethanol. Iowans view him as “in the pockets of BIG OIL.” The Iowa Renewable Fuels Association hammered Perry on this and built up Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum, pro-ethanol panderers all. If this is how voters are trending then Obama will be reelected.

  • carolynr

    nt

  • pttx333

    Nor do I believe for one second anything you quote here. Besides, Quoting a UTx paper is the same as quoting Texas Tribune. You sound like just another one of the Austin loonies who have changed that once-beautiful city into something very ugly.

    I still want to know who you represent – I do not believe it is Santorum, there’s someone else involved in your world. Your motives here are not pure, not by a long shot!

  • pttx333

    assumptions on how you think, those assumptions come from what you SAY. Texas conservative – UH UH.

  • aesthete

    It’s what we in the business call a “fact”.

    It is factually true that big-ticket items pursued by the Bush administration and enacted by a Republican Congress have contributed, and continue to contribute, to our deficit.

    It is factually true that Santorum was a big supporter of this agenda, both rhetorically and in terms of votes.

  • trevorb

    to see what happens. I have to think Santorum’s surge is temporary. He doesn’t have a bad record, but him whining when he doesn’t have undivided attention helps turn me off from him.

  • pttx333

    those pesky gnats that are so irritating, and I’ve always felt that way. No, he won’t stay in any lead.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I quoted a POLL for crying out loud, a POLL that shows 70% of Texans oppose instate tuition for illegal aliens. I am one of that 70%. But attacking the messenger doesnt change that FACT .

    State Senator Brian Birdwell did indeed propose ending this policy. He’s a good conservative. Dan Patrick wants to change this also. It’s not like Texas conservatives are ok with this policy. We arent.

    But I’m willing to give Rick Perry a pass on this since that one issue doesnt make him non-conservative in my eyes. That said, it’s bizarre for Perry defenders to make a big deal about this, it’s a losing issue to even discuss – move on.

    Final point: I represent my own conservative point of view nothing more and nothing less. I NEVER claimed to speak for all Texans of course. My opinion is to be supportive of conservative candidates, including Rick Perry. I would like a conservative candidate for President, so would prefer Newt/Santorum/Perry over Romney. If those are impure motives, deal with it.

    So stop being a conspiratorial loon. You are making strange personal attacks with no reason and no basis.

  • trevorb

    know Perry’s chances, but the anti-romney vote will be a war of attrition. Huntsman will likely be out after New Hampshire and Santorum will fall quickly once the media attacks him, just as everyone else did.

    Perry’s made his share of mistakes during his campaign. However, if he has the money, I think he has a shot. Not a guarantee, by any means, but a shot.

  • unitedwestood

    A good many of my friends I’ve talked to here in Texas support instate tuition. We’d rather they’d get a break on college, then us have to pay for them in prison or on welfare because they’ve turned to a life of crime or can’t find a job that pay’s well enough. Like you.. that is MY opinion. Besides.. he could of VETO’d it.. but his veto could have been over ruled since that many legislatures voted Yes.

  • ihateliberals

    Santorum is more conservative than Romney has ever been.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    The MSM and the ‘establishment’ always play the ‘he’s not electable’ card on conservatives. Dont fall for it too easily.

    If you think Santorum is unelectable, I’d just suggest that it would be just as hard for Newt, Rick Perry or any other conservative to break out from whatever charicature the MSM would make of him. you can predict the playbook
    (Romney = %1 plutocrat; Santorum = extremist socon; Gingrich = mean ol’ guy w/ personal baggage; Perry = dumb Aggie Bush II).

    Note that none of the MSM/Obama/Dem charicactures have anything to do with actual policies. A good conservative candidate who makes the campaign about ISSUES can overcome the character attacks.

    Obama has the worst jobs record and worst re-elect numbers of any president in a generation. He is very beatable, by practically any conservative candidate who can run a decent campaign. I think any of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum or Perry could beat Obama.

    But if you lack that faith, feel free to ‘settle’ on Romney or whomever. But before you settle, give Santorum a chance to make his case. He gave a good speech in Iowa Tuesday and it convinced me he wouldnt be ‘unelectable’ but could make a genuine play for middle of road working Americans. Besides, in Texas we have until April to decide and alas, I predict about 70% chance Romney will be the de facto nominee by then anyway.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Santorum will get all of socon vote and almost none of social liberal vote in general. He’s a known quantity on that.

    “He needs to make very clear what he would actually do as president.”

    Yup.

    He needs to focus 100% on economy, jobs, economic liberty, smaller govt, etc. Lay out a specific plan to get America back to work – make that the issue, not how he feels about gay marriage etc. – that’s how he can win the election.

  • pttx333

    every single day. How ’bout that all but 4 of Texas legislators voted FOR this bill? Is that good enough, or does some obscure poll mean more to you?

    Strange personal attacks? Really. No basis for what I reply to you? Really. Stop throwing out things for which you don’t have the correct information.

  • texastaxpayer

    It’s always guardisil or instate tuition. Anything but jobs, economic policy or conservative philosophy. You know the real issues facing our nation. I find people who are running around the net making these arguments to be more than fools. First Rick Perry is the only candidate, let me repeat that so its clear. THE ONLY CANDIDATE that has actually lifted a finger to do anything about the invasion of Mexicans we are facing. He is THE ONLY ONE to deploy law troops(elite ranger recon teams). THE ONLY ONE to provide funding $420,000,000.00 in the last few years. He is THE ONLY ONE with a workable plan as president. Romney and Santorum are northeasterners that haven’t got a new idea between on what to do which is why the keep repeating fence, fence,fence. First off the border of Texas is a freaking RIVER. Kinda hard to build a fence in a river isn’t it? Or are you suggesting seizing property from Texas ranchers? The Texas legislature supported instate tuition with Perry and THE VOTERS overwhelming when it was passed. If you want to change it then petition and do so quit trying to use this issue to paint my governor with Romney’s lies.
    This election is going to about the “ECONOMICS STUPID” if its not WE LOSE!!!! The only reason the primary is about immigration and immunization or whatever else they can distract simple minded fools with is because neither Romney, santorum or Gingrich can compete with Perry where it really matters.
    REALLY GET A FREAKIN CLUE!!!!

  • Michael Dugas

    agree

  • acat

    Funny, carolynr, I hadn’t pegged you for a Paulbot.

    Mew

  • acat

    Simply “running as the anti-incumbent” doesn’t work, Travis.

    It’s necessary to run as something .. and that’s where Romney and Santorum are both sunk – they’re Dole and McCain all over again.

    Narrow focus, part of the base already dislikes ‘em, and they will have a hard time running to the center.

    Iowa effed up. Again.

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    He is not even remotely serious about the economic and growth-of-government problems we face, and he never has been.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Living a decade in California makes me afraid of ever telling a government bureaucrat that I’m a Republican.

  • cbartlett

    and Fox in general about the way they consistently marginalize and basically just ignore Perry. It is so freakin’ obvious – how long are they going to get away with it? Someone on RS linked to an excellent video a few weeks ago of Perry when he did a “speech” opening up one of Hannity’s Freedom Concerts a few years ago. That needs to be put on Perry’s website and promoted as much as possible – maybe, just maybe, Sean would be a little embarrassed about ignoring him so much! Rush had an interesting rant today about how Republicans really need to quit worrying about debates and what other people think about you supporting a candidate and get more concerned about issues, policies and experience. Sure did sound like like he was looking for a “not-Romney”. (Maybe just my imagination, or just wishful thinking……)

  • Tbone

    don’t……

  • Tbone

    carrots out their warm embrace of Mother Gaia and then eat them alive.

    Who would want an organ from some one who voted for Romney, Santorum, Newt or Paul?

    Further, I would rather have a kidney from a serial killer than a cereal grower.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Michael Dugas

    Paul is through. He won’t be in the top 4 again.

  • circlegranch

    When Cain was in the race, he gave him hour after hour of live radio time. When Trump organized his 12/26 debate, Hannity attacked every candidate that chose not to participate. What did it matter to him? It was Dec. 26. Where was O’Seanity going to be? On Christmas vacation with his family, but the candidates had to show up for a debate that he wouldn’t cover?

    That video of Gov. Perry at Hannity’s 2010 Freedom Concert in Dallas is the most inspiring I’ve ever seen the Gov. Have we seen even a 10 sec clip of it on Hannity’s TV show or heard sound bytes on his radio show? No. Gov. Perry was a headliner to help draw people to Hannity’s concert and back then, Hannity wanted the billing of the Gov. of Texas, so he played the game to advance his agenda and success. Today, he’s forgotten about that remarkable appearance that inspired everyone in attendance and everyone that’s seen it since. Does he have film footage of any other current candidate setting an audience on fire? Apparently not or he’d be running IT every night.

    Maybe everybody at Fox is prohibited from doing anything to give a fair shake to the Perry camp. Last night, O’Reilly and Laura Inghram carried on for several minutes about the federal funding of abortion and how that shouldn’t be happening. It was mentioned that hopefully all the GOP candidates would work to defund it if elected President. Unless neither of them do any research and investigation, which is highly unlikely given their extensive staffs, they surely know that RICK PERRY DEFUNDED PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND GOVT. FUNDED ABORTIONS IN TEXAS. GOV. PERRY SIGNED LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES WOMEN TO HAVE A SONOGRAM PRIOR TO ELECTIVE ABORTION. You can’t have a legitimate conversation about Planned Parenthood or its defunding or support of life without mentioning those facts, yet somehow, Fox finds a way. Both facts could easily and effortlessly been inserted into the conversation. But no, that would interfere with Romney’s march to the nomination, so we don’t dare tell the truth about another candidate in the race. Fair and Balanced, and all that.

    The GOP is losing elections left and right at the hands of the ruling class Republicans. The big wins in 2010 were tea party candidates. They never learn. They will go by way of the Whig Party at some point. Hopefully, they’ll pack up a host of Fox stars and take them with because they, too, are doing nothing to promote conservatism, inspite of their need to remind us they are.

    Rick Perry
    President 2012
    We have a country to save

  • pttx333

    suckered in for a good while by both him and by Faux. I’ve had to grow some alligator hide to keep from having hourly hissy fits over the betrayal by those who supposedly were true conservatives. BAH! Never again will I swallow their swill …

  • lineholder

    You must have some reason for doing so….what is it?

  • tyman

    They had Harvard Professor, historian and author Niall Ferguson on to try and rebut criticisms of Romney.

    I caught the tail end of it as I was channel surfing (I no longer watch Fox purposely), but was simply appalled at how unabashedly pro-Romney it was. They’re really working hard to shove him down our throats.

    I wish I could find video of it.

    I’ve wondered if Fox truly wants Romney as the nominee so Obama will win. If I recall correctly, Fox’s ratings have soared since Obama has been in office. That makes sense to me.

  • pttx333

    since I haven’t watched that channel in ages. Yeah, it is just the same ol’ same ol’ with them. Not sure if they’re for b.o., per se, but it is for sure they are for Romney. Count them as part of the RINO crowd is what I think – consider they always have Rove and the other hired mouthpieces on ad nauseum. Phooey on ‘em!

  • tyman

    I stick by my analogy of the two. NASCAR had a great fanbase, but they all but abandoned it by going after greener pastures.

    It looks like Fox is trying to do that.

    If you look at NASCAR’s attendance, it will tell whether this has worked. I don’t think it’s just about the economy.

    We seriously need to get calling talk radio and boost Gov. Perry that way.

    A paid ad wouldn’t have been more for Romney than that little segment on F & F.

  • carolynr

    Let me clarify…all these candidates excepting Perry and Paul and BIG GOVERNMENT, CENTRAL CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.

    Ron Paul is off his wig when it comes to foreign affairs and from listening to Mark Levin tonight…he anti-semitism is showing through. Paul wants hardly any government. If we were attacked…I guess we would have to fight it ourselves (no military).

    Perry is EXACTLY the right fit. I’m a State’s Rights person. Paul’s supporters are obnoxious…I know..I am on the blogs with them. They are rude…and to be blunt…I think they are high also.

    So…there you go Acat…I’m Rick Perry all the way.

    RUFF RUFF

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    *heaves sigh of relief* Paul gone from the top tier is A-OK with me.

    Thanks for clarification as well, carolynr–and I agree with every single blessed word of it!

  • joshdunn

    You know it as well as I do.

  • 1bunny

    leave his name off of an online poll. Shame on Fox. They had two online polls one below the other. First was who would you vote for in the NH primary (Perry was winning it and even had more votes than Ron Paul – shock) the other poll was who do you want to get the GOP nomination and it left Perry’s name off but had undecided/none category. I couldn’t believe it. How blatant can they be. Someone on twitter said his name was missing on the second one then it showed up then it went away again. I bet they never said who won the NH primary poll they were doing either. When I last checked it Perry was at 33+% Ron P 26+% and Newt, Santorum and Romney were in the low teens. I have totally quit watching Fox during the Cain stuff. I couldn’t listen to their bias anymore. I only watch when Perry is scheduled to be on. I dvr it and FF until Perry’s segment. No More Fox.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Where do you think we get those From The Mailbag pieces from, anyway?

    Moe Lane

    PS: Please use the Contact link for all questions, concerns, and/or complaints about moderation policy.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    … just how much scrutiny bans actually GET around here.

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    …but that’s not a very high standard, now is it?

  • lizcarter

    Santorum was one of the four (only 4) Republicans to betray conservatives and vote NO on requiring Congress to pay off the National Debt within 30 years and balance the Federal Budget.
    I don’t know how anyone could support a man who voted NO on paying our national debt and balancing the budget…only to kick the can and allow the spending to spin out of control. Guess he wouldn’t have been able to get his $1 Billion in earmarks if they had a balanced budget or started to pay our debt.

    We don’t have a perfect candidate in this race, but we have ones who ARE Fiscal conservatives and who are much better than Santorum.