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What a Big Government Conservative Looks Like

I’m rather tired of all the people who don’t like Romney trying to claim Rick Santorum is not a big government conservative, or not a pro-life statist.  I would support him before I would support Romney too, but I have no intention of giving up ideological and intellectual consistency in the name of beating Mitt Romney.

Rick Santorum is a pro-life statist.  He is.  You will have to deal with it.  He is a big government conservative.  Santorum is right on social issues, but has never let his love of social issues stand in the way of the creeping expansion of the welfare state.  In fact, he has been complicit in the expansion of the welfare state.

Suddenly we’re all forgetting what a big government conservatism is. The term was coined by Fred Barnes in defense of George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservative” agenda. Bush intended to use domestic social welfare policy for conservative ends. In the process, he expanded the welfare state to do so through No Child Left Behind, the prescription drug benefit, etc. Rick Santorum was a willing participant in this.

Santorum is a conservative. He is. But his conservatism is largely defined by his social positions and the ends to which government would be deployed. But he has chosen as the means to those conservative ends bigger government. We see big government conservatives most clearly when they deviate from the tireless efforts of people like Mike Pence and Jim DeMint and the others who were willing to oppose George W. Bush’s expansion of the welfare state. Rick Santorum was not among them.

I and some friends, none of us Romney fans, have set about exploring Santorum’s record since Wednesday morning.  Here now is a non-exhaustive list of what we have found. It does not even include his support for No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, debt ceiling increases, funding the bridge to nowhere, refusing to redirect earmark allocations to disaster relief along the Gulf Coast post Katrina, etc.

This is not the record of a man committed to scaling back the welfare state or the nanny state. Had he been up for re-election in 2010 instead of 2006, this is the record of a man who the tea party movement would have primaried. The only real justification for supporting him now is he is not Mitt Romney, but I still believe we can do better.

Consider, if you will, this contrast. Ronald Reagan said, “The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom.” Rick Santorum, in 2008, said, “This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.” I can handle Santorum’s view of social conservatism and the need for cultural integrity. But he goes off the rails when he blends it with a version of fiscal conservatism that is anything but conservative and which fuels the government leviathan that, as it expands, takes away core freedoms and is run by entrenched progressive civil servants who are anything but conservative.

Rick Santorum’s voting record reflects his rejection of small government. See for yourself.



 

NEA
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.


Defense and Foreign Policy

Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.

Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.

Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions.   If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program

Nominations
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge

Labor
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

Guns

Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

Reform

Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapits, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

Immigration
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

Taxes
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

Welfare
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000.  Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

Waste
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

Health Care
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Education
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

Energy

Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.

Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.

COMMENTS

  • davesinsanantonio

    If it looks like a duck . . . .

    When will we learn????

    We cannot save this country by following incorrect principles. Nor, by following correct principles incorrectly!!!

    If we don’t stand up for correct principles, how will our children ever learn to.

    The Law of the Harvest is still in force: Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Remember , the lead-in to that sentence is “God is not mocked”!!!!! If we expect Him to bless us, it is only by following his will.

    Remember Einstein’s definition of insanity and stop electing progressives of any stripe thinking that this time will be different!!!!

    I recognize that no human can be perfect in this life, but COME ON, People!!!!

  • davesinsanantonio

    If it looks like a duck . . . .

    When will we learn????

    We cannot save this country by following incorrect principles. Nor, by following correct principles incorrectly!!!

    If we don’t stand up for correct principles, how will our children ever learn to???

    The Law of the Harvest is still in force: Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Remember , the lead-in to that sentence is “God is not mocked”!!!!! If we expect Him to bless us, it is only by following His will.

    Remember Einstein’s definition of insanity and stop electing progressives of any stripe thinking that this time will be different!!!!

    I recognize that no human can be perfect in this life, but COME ON, People!!!!

  • redelainemo1954

    It’s a duck!
    Wish I could ad the picture I have of the sock monkey wearing a duck costume.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …to modify your “non-endorsement” policy by adding Santorum to the “not-conservative” listing.

    Guzzardi sent a terse [and I sent a lengthy] e-mail to Rush overnight, along these lines.

    I now have a “diary” and must learn how to use it; I’ll start with my depiction of the Sunday-a.m. debate…which constituted a STELLAR performance by Perry.

    Perhaps we could find-out more about what happened @ the conservative con-fab over the weekend, soon, but [regardless] we must continue to promote the only D.C.-outsider in the race…as the field narrows.

    Kirsten Powers said The Newt continues to pursue a murder/suicide approach to Mitt, and Paul remains a non-starter as Huntsman apparently doesn’t want to ask his father for $ to allow him to continue beyond NH; this is why exposing Santorum is urgent…ASAP!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    I am going to devote my Diary to exposing the conservative pundits.

    A good test-question will be whether this particular compilation of Santorum’s record will be picked-up [and picked-apart] by those who SHOULD want to analyze such encyclopedic-data.

    To be continued….

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    When I tried to post on my new Diary-Page, I received “You do not have sufficient permissions to access this page.”

    Anyone know what has to be done? [I logged-in/-out to no avail.]

    Also, when someone blasphemes, other sites have a button that will alert the moderator; anyone thought of doing this @ RS?

    [Note 2 a.m. contribution here: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/01/08/caption-thisopen-thread-2/]

    [Also, EE, your intro this site on the home-page is repeated.}

  • horizon3

    That most of our best Presidents didn’t really want the job. And some of them didn’t even run but were write in’s or third party.

    Cliche’: “If you are tired of politics as usual, stop electing the usual politicians” ie. Newt, Mitt, Santorum and Paul; career politicians and NOT! Conservative all.

  • dvdmsr

    My fear is that we have invested so much in being (for) Not Romney, Not Santorum, Not Huntsman, Not Perry, and/or Not Gingrich that we may have poisoned ourselves against whoever gets the Republican nomination. I just hope those of us who so ardently opposed the eventual GOP nominee, will be able to get enough of the bad taste of venom out of our mouths to be able to enthusiastically support the candidate that has the best chance of winning the presidency who is Not Obama.

  • bzip

    Personally I think you could easily throw Newt into the same category as Santorum another big gov’t progressive.

    Since when did supporting: GSE’s, global warming carbon cap mandates, TARP, healthcare mandates, Obama’s education policies, a insider lobbyist, etc become a conservative limiting gov’t platform and that is what Newt stands for.

    I saw a reference on Erick’s tweeter for Santorum:
    Santorum: Statist claiming to be a conservative
    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/santorum-statist-claiming-be-conservative/301396

    “Here is what Santorum told NPR about the role of government in 2006:

    “This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone … [that] government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. … Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.”

  • trutexan

    I know he’s a huge Santorum supporter and has the nation’s ear on his AM radio show – (the senator even performed as guest-host on Fridays). I had no idea about the Senator’s voting record and I’m so glad you posted this.

  • mirac777

    When the truth comes out be prepared for the naysayers and the uninformed to come out and somehow try to discredit this report. Thanks for doing real due-diligence!

    Kind of makes Gov Perry look like a small government guy doesn’t it? Newt also must be considered a small gov’t guy to an extent.. if we cherry pick newts record, I,m sure there was big gov’t giveaways in it to get the welfare reform passed, yet end result was less gov’t spending and more revenues, which we should all be for.

  • red_oakster

    Right now, Perry is almost gone, and Newt is in danger of finishing fifth in New Hampshire. If Newt manages to finish ahead of Santorum in New Hampshire, he could come back, but if he does not, he’s finished too.

    That leaves Santorum and I much prefer him to Romney for the simple reason he has guts and his economic policies are, whatever their flaws, much better than Romney’s.

  • trutexan

    You don’t find that here.

  • jlsankot

    I am for Perry all the way. I pray daily he will remain a candidate and relay to everyone his strengths he acquired in his 11 years as Texas Governor. I’m not saying he’s perfect, but he’s better than anyone else on the stage right now.

  • renl57

    Perry gets elected to the TX House of Representatives in 1984 (that’s 27 years ago).

    Perry got elected TX Agriculture Commissioner in 1990 (that’s 21 years ago).

    Perry got elected Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1998.

    Perry became governor TX in 2000.

    So Perry has been in various elective offices in government for *27 years*.

    But to you, he’s not a career politician.

  • dvdmsr

    Honestly, where have you been? There have been many comments made (not by me) at this site in opposition to Perry.

  • dajeeps

    I had that impression of Santorum and never considered voting for him in the primary anyway. But I listened to his interview on NBC right before Iowa and I think he gets that we are sick and tired of big government. He discussed some of his prior votes and his explanation seems reasonable. It’s true he’s not Reagan and we’d have to stay on top of him if we send him all the way to the White House.

    One thing he has going for him is that he is not Romney, and I mean that in the sense of personality. Romney wreaks of wanting to be president, never mind what he’ll do once he gets there or that it likely has nothing to do at all with the rest of us. The arrogance of it really bothers me. Santorum has a tinge of genuineness about him that this isn’t all about him, and I find that appealing because I think he’d be more apt to listen to us than tell us not to pay attention to the little man behind the curtain.

    Is this enough for my support in the primary? No, because I like Newt’s specific agenda and his accomplishments, and I think they are a much better choice to meet the challenges we face. But if Santorum gets the nomination I wouldn’t have to think twice about voting for him in the general election. The very thought of Romney getting the nomination gives me reason for pause, having to ponder the situation before deciding what to do.

  • dvdmsr

    nt

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    As a resident of MA I can go down a long list of reasons why I don’t support Mitt Romney. I get it. But the stampeding herd of conventional wisdom is about to stampede right off a cliff this November. I have been seeing a fair number of comments from people saying:

    1. They will stay home if Romney is the nominee
    2. They will write in Sarah Palin or Ron Paul if Romney is the nominee
    3. They will vote for Barack One-bama

    These people are guaranteeing the reelection of the most Marxist President in the last 100 years. America will not survive 8 years of One-bama. If you think he’s bad now, wait until he becomes a lame duck. “Recess appointments” troubling you, bunky?? We will look back at recess appointments as the “good old days” if One-bama is elected.

    Power is being shifted away from elected officials into the hands of career bureaucrats. Does 40,000 new regulations trouble you at all? Here in MA we voted overwhelmingly against same-sex marriage. One judge, just one judge came along and with the pounding of his gavel overturned the will of millions of voters. The same is true in CA. Do you get it??

    Contact your priests, rabbis or psychiatrists and start bracing for the emotional trauma of running yet another establishment Republican for POTUS. The alternative is too perilous. I still hold out hope for Perry. He needs to do some magic in SC, but if he doesn’t he’s done.

    We are not choosing a new puppy we are choosing the leader of the free world and if One-bama is reelected that world won’t be very free.

  • theduck6

    It most certainly IS a duck but if the duck is the alternative during the general election it certainly has to beat the wolf in progressives clothing, doesn’t it?

    WHo’s going to be more likely to have their feet held to the fire by a conservative electorate and COngress,” Mittens” or the Emperor who rules by edict and whim? “COnstitution??? We don’t need no steeeenking Constitution!”
    It is a “flawed document” after all.

    I think I’d rather hold my nose (again for the umpteenth time) than circle the bowl with the rest of the country before we are flushed down the toilet.

  • dajeeps

    Not ours. That’s all a part of closing the sale. Give me something to vote FOR and I’ll vote for it. If there is one thing I won’t take anymore, that is the ‘sit down, shut up, and do what we want’ kind of herding around. I’m not a cow, nor will I continue to be taken for granted or settle for being whissed on and told it’s raining.

  • keepithonest

    I am an avid Bill Bennett listener but I had to turn it off this morning because Bill was giving Santorum political advice on the program. This is Santorum’s free advertizing and air time of late and I will not go back until the primary season is over.

    It is a shame because I really like the show otherwise.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Just curious.

  • trutexan

    He’s a Paulbot. I used to listen to him every morning on Sirius but had to quit when he blatantly gives Ron Paul blind support and discounts every other candidate.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Then enjoy 4 more years of One-bama.

    Here are your alternatives.

    Newt Gingrich: serial adulterer who took 37 million from the health care industry and then advocated for mandates.

    Rick Santorum: failed, 2 term Pennsylvania Senator who was beaten by 18 points when the Dems put a pro-life Democrat up against him. Not even the Tea Party will endorse him. See Erick’s article above.

    Ron Paul: only if you believe that Hitler was poor misunderstood guy.

    Huntsman: It’s clear he thinks we are not worthy of him.

    Rick Perry is my guy, but hey, why would anyone in their right mind nominate an Air Force veteran who runs a state that created 1 million jobs?

    If you think America will survive 4 more years of One-bama you are living in a synthetic reality conjured up by cable TV and the screamers on talk radio.

  • trutexan

    The RedState blog is very pro-Perry. True there are some visitors who might be against him, but Erick and most of the contributors believe in Perry.

  • geoph

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  • circlegranch

    imagine what might have been……….the truth would have been forced to the surface instead of left unearthed until its too late.

    Thanks, EE, for providing clarity and reason to this primary process. No spin, no bull. You have put forth straight talk, been criticized for it but you didn’t turn back.

    Unfortunately, too many Republicans and tea party members just aren’t ready yet to do the hard work of taking America back to a place of fiscal responsibility. Your readership grew here by leaps and bounds as word spread amongst political junkies and concerned citizens alike. You were the impetus that pulled many Fox News viewers to CNN, in search of the ever elusive “fair and balanced”; just a little coverage once in awhile of all candidates, not just The Chosen was enough for some of us.

    Thanks. America is going to get what it deserves. Nobody can blame you for not trying.

  • jfree

    We like him a lot down here in Texas. More than that, though, we trust him to do what’s right and best for Texas and the people. Why, you ask? Because he listens to us when we have a disagreement about how things should be. It’s no accident that he’s the leader of the 13th or 14th largest economy in the world.

    He must be doin’ somethin’ right… ya think? There is a vast difference between a self-serving career politician, who wants to stay in office for the power, prestige and perks, and a true servant to the people who elected him.

  • williamjameson

    done diddly squat to vet any candidate considering this rap sheet. More proof why the debt and spending are out of control. Neither party is vetted worth a hoot and media clowns sometimes suggest the public aren’t educated enough to know who to vote for, yea right they are overpaid and underworked. The internet is taking the lead with voters empowered outside the media culture of corruption.

  • tjms

    I wish others would realize this as well. And as far as his debating if he were one on one with Obama, Perry would be find and shine compared to the teleprompter in chief.

  • circlegranch

    It started a number of years ago when a young woman was told if she carried her pregnancy to term, she would probably die. She rejected the claim of her doctor that essentially said her baby was a curse. She gave birth and her child grew up and became a remarkable football player. A couple of years ago, her son was drafted to the Denver Bronco’s; against the odds. He was promoted to first string QB this season, against the odds. Last night, that son rode out of Invesco Field on a white bronco named Champ. Even Colorado’s Favorite Son, John Elway, couldn’t hide his joy and excitement at a stunning and against the odds victory. Denver is still celebrating this morning, as are faithful football fans across the country that believe God is present in our lives and that He uses the skills and talents of his people to proclaim His name.

    Because of his faith, Tim Tebow has been ridiculed, scorned and trashed. In the past month, more burden has been put on his young shoulders because of his belief in Jesus Christ than most would be able to carry.

    Last night, as the orange sun dipped below the blue skies and Rocky Mountains in Colorado, a miracle occurred that mortal men would never have believed. The Broncos won the toss for OT against the mighty Steelers. The Steelers assumed the Broncos would run the ball and they stacked 9 at the line of scrimmage. Instead, Tebow aired one out for 70 yards and within the opening seconds of OT, the Broncos bought a ticket to New England. What happens next weekend? Doesn’t matter. The curse was broken. “Be not deceived. God is not mocked”, thus says the Lord.

    Miracles happen, often when all seems lost and your detractors seem to have all the momentum. When the world is against you, if God be for you, you can accomplish unheard of things.

    Rush Limbaugh, a devout Steelers fan, predicted Friday that Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos would win that football game. It’s not a normal set of circumstances for Rush to bet against his beloved Steelers.

    Will Rush decide that its time to make another big upset prediction in the GOP primary race? Will his eyes rest on EE’s summary here of Santorum’s non-conservative voting record? Will Rush take his own advice he’s given us and heed his own warnings and realize that emergency situations call for emergency action and use the power of his influence and make an endorsement? Rush has opened our eyes and revealed the truth about what is going to happen to our beloved America if we don’t wake up and face the dangers coming full speed ahead. Will he take it to the limit and tell America the truth about the records of candidates in the race?

    My father worked his entire life as a farmer, and in dry summers when corn was withering and the long leaves were rolling shut tight to conserve whatever moisture was left in the plants; when it seemed rain would never come in time, Dad used to look up at the Heavens and say, “It’ll rain 5 minutes before its too late.”

    It’s 5 minutes before its too late. Will the rain come?

  • hls87

    Maybe Rick Santorum is having his surge precisely because he has always operated safely within the bipartisan progressive consensus that sees government as the solution to all of life’s problems. Maybe voters are skeptical of Romney for personal reasons and not because he’s spent his entire life cozying up to the left. Maybe Rick Perry has failed to catch fire not because of any inadequacies in him or his campaign, but because he is the only candidate who threatens to do battle against business as usual in Washington.

    The country urgenly needs a change of direction and Erick is right to point out that Santorum, like Romney and Gingrich, represents only more of the same. But it looks increasingly as though more of the same is what most Republican voters want. If that’s the case there is no hope for politics and no further point in wasting time, effort and energy on the freak show. If we’re going to stay the course to disaster forget about politics; buy ammo and arable land

  • claudeod

    As an former Alaskan I get steamed everytime I hear or read the “Bridge to nowhere” referred to. It should have been built. The whole story is that the fed. gov’t chose in it’s wisdom 35 years ago to build the Keni airport across the inlet from the city against the desires of the locals. This requires them to use a ferry over a body of water that is sometimes frozen sometimes not. The gov’t promised to build a bridge across the inlet to the airport but never would fund it. Senators, Stevens and Murkowsky and Rep Young fought for thirty years to get it funded and finally did. However the Democrats used it to beat up Stevens and came up with the “Bridge to nowhere” name and it stuck. Even a knowledgeable pundit like Eric Erickson has fallen for this and uses it as a negative issue for Santorum. In the meantime the people of Keni, Alaska still don’t have dependable way to get to the airport. Additionally “If they build it, they will come” and the area around the airport will rapidally develop into a viable economic community.

  • poorhoratio

    Thanks for the Monday morning inspiration, circlegranch. Outstanding! Great way to start off the week. Thank you.

  • khhunt

    Erick,
    I have a diagram which helped me figure some of this out. Since I cannot send the actual diagram, I will attempt to describe it:
    Two axes
    Bottom is fiscal?left-to-right starting at 00….to….100% financial independence
    Left side is social?bottom?to-top starting at 00…to…100% social liberties
    Divided into four quadrants.
    Exact middle would be centrists. (This should be a fifth section)
    Top left Quad liberals?all behavior is tolerated, the government will pay for it with someone else?s money
    Bottom right conservative?restrictions on social?people keep their money, ?power of the purse? keeps government from setting too many rules about behavior
    Top right libertarians?no restrictions on social behavior–Do whatever you want, it?s your money?Too much of this could be anarchy?
    Bottom left Q (??You get to name this one statist maybe?)?government controls money and behavior.

    The more control the liberals are getting over our financial independence, the further into the bottom left we are falling.
    Libertarians have same social agenda as liberals. Means are different, ends are the same?that?s why Paul scares me. Code-pink, and ?it?s my body? types support Obama and Paul.

  • Tman8

    combining the free market libertarianism of Friedrich Hayek with the tradtional conservatism of Russell Kirk. These two men inspired Reagan by his own account. Santorum favors the Kirkean model – but this does not make him not a conservative. People who reduce the question of who is a conservative down to simply asking who spends the least amount of money have a fundamental misunderstanding of what conservatism as a philosophy truly is.

  • JSobieski

    Santorum is as far from Kirk on foreign policy as you can get.

    What Kirk gets right is that conservatism isn’t really an ideology at all, it is more of a temperment—an anti-utopian humility.

  • blarman

    I think one of the problems with many editors and readers alike is trying to define “conservatism”. Here’s a suggestion to you: do a comparison of those running for office and split them up into three categories: Fiscal conservatives (those with a track record of balanced budgets and responsible spending), social conservatives (those with a track record of anti-abortion, traditional marriage, etc.) and governmental conservatives (those who favor smaller, less-intrusive government). You could even add a fourth for foreign policy if you wanted.

    I think that a lot of the problem is that every single pundit and editor is trying to paint this candidate as conservative vs that candidate, when in reality, each sector deserves its own examination.

    Because let’s face it: we have to prioritize. There isn’t a single candidate who is conservative on all three fronts, and we’re lucky if we can even really get one. So let’s focus on the one that is the most important for THIS election: fiscal conservatism. If the country’s economy collapses, no social policy is going to matter.

  • jfree

    message and we need to just keep putting it out there.

    A little ray of sunshine… four elected Democrats (Sheriff, County Judge, a Justice of the Peace and a County Commissioner) in my county officially joined the Republican Party this summer because they felt that the Democrat Party no longer represents their values and those of their constituents. I doubt that this is an isolated incident.

    We Texans will be voting “Perry for President”, in large numbers, if we get the chance.

  • http://twitter.com/michael_s_grant msgrant

    Passionate argument for or against primary candidates has got to be kept in the perspective of another 4 years of Obama Marxism. Fight for principles, yes, but extreme bitterness and zero enthusiasm = reduced GOTV efforts and/or a Ron Paul indy run. All of which would surely sink us in the general election.

  • tjms

    to live in Williamson county?

  • conservnca

    Loved this post. Rush and others have made their livings espousing their opinions and alerting the public to the conditions on the ground so to speak. He has always said he will let us know when it is time to panic. Why wait until it’s time to panic! And by the way has anyone seen what’s going on out there? It is time to DO something! I have been waiting and listening to those I have believed were on the side of America to see where they will stand. Will they stand with someone that they ( when I say they I mean conservative talk radio, and forget about Fox, their appetite has become to great) say has the principals to bring America back from the brink, or was it just good programming for maximum audience numbers? I know they all say they don’t endorse but these are desperate times which call for desperate measures. I guess I am saying are their career’s more important than our Nation. If this Nation continues down this liberty robbing spiral they won’t have careers anyway.I pray those with a voice speak out.

  • Harry Beadle

    What Santorum either forgets or doesn’t know when he says this …

    Rick Santorum, in 2008, said, ?This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don?t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn?t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn?t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can?t go it alone.?

    … is that Conservatives believe in self-restraint, not government constraint.

  • Harry Beadle

    What Santorum either forgets or doesn’t know when he says this …

    Rick Santorum, in 2008, said, ?This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don?t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn?t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn?t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can?t go it alone.?

    … is that Conservatives believe in self-restraint, not government constraint.

  • http://twitter.com/michael_s_grant msgrant

    Agreed! Perry is my guy but I will enthusiastically support Romney/Newt/Santorum because of what is at stake if BHO and [true] statists are re-elected.

    Some intimate that they are “following their principles” by:
    1) staying home
    2) doing a Paul/Palin write-in or
    3) even voting *for* BHO (that’ll show ‘em!!) over Romney… Seems like an hysterical response, given a real-life choice.

    But like the “principled pacifist” who won’t take up arms even to defend his family or his country, the NET RESULT of anti-Romney hysteria would be disastrous for America.

  • jfree

    See what I mean? I am in East Texas… rural, fiscally and socially conservative Democrats until… and we are greatly disturbed about what is happening to our country today.
    I had an 80 year old neighbor tell me (last year) that he was now a Tea Party Democrat. We both had a big laugh over the (D) part but I am confident he’s not voting for Obama and will put considerable thought into who he does vote far.

    Politics is serious sport in my part of Texas but I’m worried that a lot of people will vote D in the primary because their local “favorite son” is still in the wrong party. Hopefully, I am wrong.

  • red_oakster

    I’m a Perry supporter, but only a miracle can save him now. This is race where either Romney wins against against a divided field or where either Gingrich or Santorum emerges as the main alternative to Romney. South Carolina will sort this out. In the meantime, Gingrich’s attack on Bain strikes me as dumb. In the first place, Gingrich needs economic conservatives to win, and this leftist claptrap. Second, Bain itself has been one of the more establishment private equity shops out there.

    Erick has a tendency sometimes to get hung up on small differences. Santorum is not at all bad on economics and he WAS a senator representing Pennsylvania for goodness sakes. Who recently proposed tax increases? Sen. Pat Toomey, late of the Club for Growth. You can’t be DeMint if you represent Pennsylvania.

    In any event, wishing Perry would win isn’t enough because it aint gonna happen.

  • bzip

    I am going to bring this front and center so if you didn’t know by now – you should now:

    Rick Santorum Answers Question On SOPA: ?There Are Limits To Freedom On The Internet?

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-santorum-answers-question-on-sopa-there-are-limits-to-freedom-on-the-internet/

    ?There is, and can be, a limitation on that. You know, freedom of speech. The things you can?t say. You can?t cry ?fire? in a crowded theater. And there are limitations to all freedoms. They?re not absolute rights. They are rights that have responsibilities that come with them, and if you abuse those rights? then you have a consequence of you using that right.?

    Santorum answers question on SOPA Windham NH.AVI
    http://youtu.be/HT0SX2jpgFQ

  • nhbuckeye

    Perry and Paul. Perry cannot make his case. He seems terrible at it. Obama would slice and dice him like a Ginsu knife in any/every debate. Leaving us with Ron Paul, who freaks me out a bit in terms of foreign policy. But still, who cares about foreign policy if the country implodes economically we lose our great experiment? I’m voting for Ron Paul. Just decided this morning after a year of agonizing, and the primary election is tomorrow for me.

  • tjms

    turnover right after the november elections as well. can’t remember how many or which.

  • jfree

    should be “born Democrats”

  • znjs

    That Perry is a career politician. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a good president or you shouldn’t support him if you like his policies, but claims that he’s not a politician are just nonsense. He’s as much a politician as any of them now that Cain is out.

  • kamiller42

    Santorum does not give any position on SOPA. That video simply shows him speaking about rights, freedom, and piracy.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    There is nothing in Santorum’s history that would indicate he would not support SOPA. Nothing. He spent his entire Congressional career consolidating power in DC. This sleazy answer is just ducking the issue. I don’t for a moment believe he doesn’t “know enough” about the bill.

    And, you can bet he’ll be asked about it again soon.

  • A_Texan

    1. 1988–he told the world–Vote for AL Gore for President.

    2. 1993–he endorsed Mme. Clinton’s efforts to “reform healthcare.”

    3. 2007–he told the world–Vote for Rudy Giuliani for President

    And I’ve just scratched the surface.

    And I’ve voted for Perry countless times–and will do so enthusiastically if he’s our nominee.

  • A_Texan

    “Rick Santorum was not among them.”

    Largely true.

    Nor was Rick Perry. Nor was Newt Gingrich. Both had ample voices. Their opposition could have been decisive. Both went along.

  • unitedwestood

    This weekend I missed the debate ( daughter having baby) We were staying at my mothers and her television is her alarm clock. When the t.v came on, I caught just a small snippet of a round table ( it looked like) one of the ladies said ” But Rick Perry made a good point” she was shut down with quickness ” Rick Perry can’t win”, said Chris Matthews. She was never allowed to finish her statement. Then it happened again… and again Matthews barked ” Rick Perry can’t win”. That was an observation by a very sleepy me. But still….. They weren’t even allow to talk because — ” Rick Perry can’t win” according to the media. So, I have to wonder… can’t make his case, or isn’t allowed to ” make his case”.

  • unitedwestood

    This weekend I missed the debate ( daughter having baby) We were staying at my mothers and her television is her alarm clock. When the t.v came on, I caught just a small snippet of a round table ( it looked like) one of the ladies said ” But Rick Perry made a good point” she was shut down with quickness ” Rick Perry can’t win”, said Chris Matthews. She was never allowed to finish her statement. Then it happened again… and again Matthews barked ” Rick Perry can’t win”. That was an observation by a very sleepy me. But still….. They weren’t even allow to talk because — ” Rick Perry can’t win” according to the media. So, I have to wonder… can’t make his case, or isn’t allowed to ” make his case”.

  • JSobieski

    It was his JOB to do such things.

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    We all know that. But at the same time Rick S. is not going to win the nomination. Perry seems to be the most conservative but made too many ‘little’ mistakes and the voters appear not to be forgiving at all to him. Too bad but he did it to himself. Newt is a joy to watch at the debates and even though Obama ads on TV would attack his baggage to no end Newt would be able to attack Obama like no other. Mitt will be ‘less good’ than George Bush was. Were we happy with Bush? Yes, I will vote for him though if he wins the nomination. We have to.

  • tjms

    I know that Gov. Perry would do great on a one on one debate with Obama. But I feel only the 2 you mentioned will actually reduce the govt. I will stand with Perry until I no longer have the option. By the way the group of college cons.ervatives my daughters belong to are thinking only the RP;s will do the required reduction and plan to vote accordingly.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt

  • JSobieski

    People at various points in time said that Newt was done, Santorum was done, etc.

    Candidates and their campaigns are responsibe for breaking through.

    Johnson was kept out of the debates due to formulas designed to keep him out and Huntsman in. I have sympathy for him, but it was his job to break through.

    If the media can stop your from making your case, they will.

    We need candidates for whom the media cannot stop from making a case.

  • humbleconservative

    The only thing he’s “conservative” on are social issues, and that makes him a traditionalist, NOT a conservative. Conservatives are about smaller government, not more government. You can be a liberal traditionalist in the sense that you want socially conservative policies with liberal economic policies–this is often the position of the Catholic church, hence Rick’s support of them.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    follow the WIlliam F. Buckley rule. “Vote for the most conservative candidate that can get elected.”

    I still have a mustard seed of hope for Perry.

  • A_Texan

    to support our Constitution.

    It was his job, and ours.

  • A_Texan

    And I think the only one is Santorum, and that this site’s devotion to tearing him down will give us Romney in SC, and then throughout the country.

  • jfree

    and, no offense, I don’t really care what his point was.

    I don’t think I said Perry’s not a career politician. I stated that he is a well loved and very effective public servant. He has said he believes he has a duty to at least try to change the direction of this nation and is actually concerned with returning power back to the states and the people.

    I have not heard any of the others speak of that sense of duty but I could have missed it.

  • JSobieski

    to advocate for the rights and interests of the people of Texas.

    Perry took an oath to uphold the Constitution. He did not take an oath to lobby for Texas in DC.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You rail against Perry and support a guy who’s never found a problem that bigger and more intrusive government couldn’t solve.

    Sheesh.

  • JSobieski

    Private citizens work their day jobs.

    Elected officials in DC are the individuals with the PRIMARY responsibility for federal policies. That is why they are sent there.

    If they aren’t willing to lead why they are there, they shouldn’t be surprised if folks are less than enthusiastic about voting them to the Presidence.

  • JSobieski

    Private citizens work their day jobs.

    Elected officials in DC are the individuals with the PRIMARY responsibility for federal policies. That is why they are sent there.

    If they aren’t willing to lead why they are there, they shouldn’t be surprised if folks are less than enthusiastic about voting them to the Presidency.

  • humbleconservative

    All things considered, the GOP will choose Romney because he’s the most moderate candidate. He’s a snake oil salesman and that’s what the people want–someone who will tell them what they want to hear. Meanwhile, Santorum lacks the charisma to take on Obama, and his hardline approach to social issues will make him easy prey for the left.

  • tnguy

    Really? You’re bringing up 1988? Almost 25 years ago? As opposed to what Santorum did just 5 years ago? I’m more concerned with the last few years than what happened half a life time ago. Reagan used to be a democrat, also. And Al Gore used to be pro life. Things change. I see no indication that anything has changed with Santorum.

    Perry hardly endorsed Clinton’s health care efforts. That’s spin on your part to belittle Perry.

    Guiliani? Don’t like Perry endorsing him at all. But then, I don’t know that I could’ve honestly endorsed any candidate. The only one I could’ve endorsed was Thompson, and he just didn’t want to run.

    Perry has shortcomings, no doubt, But IMO, he’s far and away the best candidate. Santorum has consistently voted to expand government. We can’t suddenly expect him to do different. I think things have to change dramatically in America, and immediately, and Perry is the only one who represents that sort of change at all. Santorum, Romney, Gingrich – generally speaking – represent more of the same system that has our nation in dire circumstances.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    SOPA: a mad power grab by the DOJ that would give them the power to shut down web sites they don’t like. They would never do it openly, they would just squeeze them out of business with higher fees or fines for what they deemed “copyright infringement.”

    NDAA: a mad power grab that allows the state to detain people indefinitely even if they are US citizens.

    Wide open Southern Border: it’s happening right now.

    Take over of banks and your 401Ks: they talked about this early on. Their excuse will be “we had to do it to save Social Security.”

    Union fascism for everyone: the unions have already gone into private homes and forced parents of disabled children to join the union calming that the parents were effectively “health care workers”. Be careful the next time you mow your lawn. The union might come by and decide you’re a landscape worker and make you join the union.

    Then there’s this from Drudge: “FCC?s Genachowski proposes broadband reform” This means the Marxists in Washington get to choose who gets broadband for free or next to nothing and who pays full price. Do you hear that sound? It’s the free market being boarded up. And it’s the steady forward march of Socialism.

  • unitedwestood

    I’m so sick of them just tossing stuff out there and not being called on it by anyobne. While we were in Kansas this last weekend, I had to “set” my mother straight, of all people, on Perry’s record. The fact that he left one agency off of in his statments doesn’t mean he’s done…. and he’s not giving ” free” college to anyone.

    She passivly watches the news.. and gets most of it word of mouth from co-workers. She’s not her daughter on politics, that’s for sure… but this is crazy. The media shouldn’t be a force of the reakoned with… they should report the news. ( period) We allow this and then say things like ” they should break through the media. No! That’s not how this is supposed to be. The media is supposed to be responsible and if they aren’t we the people are supposed to hold their feet to the fire. I’m strating to think that we, as a nation need to get it together and start using our ‘outdoor’ voice to tell them… Hey! YOU report WE decide. If you can’t do that, then find another line of work. Yes, I take every oppertunity I can to point out this little fact. I keep hoping if I say it long enough and loud enough, it will actually start to take hold. I can’t chain myself to CNN they would only have me removed! But if the entire tea party showed up… someone would have to pay attention at that point. ( You’d think)

  • A_Texan

    I wasn’t railing against him–I supported him until he imploded, for crying out loud. I just fail to see precisely how Perry is pure and Santorum is impure.

    In truth, the vast majority of sane Republicans, justly or unjustly, prudently or imprudently, failed to give sufficient attention to our national debt crisis, especially in the late 90s and early 00s. Many made peace with a big government, and fought merely at the margins. Many, myself included, just failed to do so. None of the candidates, save Ron Paul, did otherwise. But precisely his purity displays such a gross imprudence as to make both unelectable, and unreliable. Politics is about compromise.

    I do see a clear distinction between Romney, on the one hand, and Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, on the other. Romney had multiple “conversions,” all of them recent, and all of them perfectly calibrated to serve his short-term political interests. I see no evidence of his ever taking a position that was plainly not in his short-term interest.

  • A_Texan

    were it not for Texas becoming a Republican state?

    Conversely, does anyone really believe that Santorum would have become a Democrat a la Specter if he thought it was in his political interest?

  • david1313

    he could be govenor of Texas. However, being a democrat in Texas is not the same as being a Republican in Mass. We have a mess on our hands.

  • texashistorian

    It’s not that Perry left the Democrats, they left him, as someone famous may have said once. The South was for a long time the last place you could go to find a conservative Democrat. In the 1980s and even into the 90s there were districts in Texas whose elected officials were more conservative than many Republicans, and where the GOP couldn’t even field a candidate. Party loyalties often die hard, but a great many Texas (and Southern) Democrats left the party in past three decades as it continued to slide further and further leftward.

    Perry would still be a Democrat if the party was the party it used to be, I suppose, but that is neither here nor there. The party went left, and conservative Southern Democrats became Republicans.

  • tjms

    democrat if I would not have woke up about the same time that Gov. Perry did. I also believe I would still be a republican if the party had not left me as the democrat party did way back when.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    here, no.

    The comment about Al Gore alone was more than enough. If you were even close to rational you’d have a clue that Al Gore, in 1988, was a pro-life, conservative Southern Democrat. He was way to the right of Clinton who wasn’t running, WAY to the right of Dukakis, and on many issues to the right of Bush1. He might have been, in 1988, a pretty good President.

    So he doesn’t take positions that aren’t in his short-term interest. Yawn. I seriously doubt you do either.

  • supergirl2911

    I keep thinking of the Concrete Blond song “Everybody Knows”
    Everywhere I turn I hear the same story lines. Today on RCP the writers propose that now is Huntsman turn. I am ready to leave all news and talk radio and abandon most others.
    I am so disappointed with the media and somewhat with my favorite campaign. This makes me think of Pink Floyd. I am headed to a place of disenchantment and it is my own fault.
    When Bill Clinton had his scandal a common story line I heard from main news sources was It doesn’t matter. He can be a good leader and his private life is private. Then I asked a group of high school students about it. They wanted to debate the issue. They could not debate the issue because no one could take another position. They all parrotted back what the newscasters said. This election reminds me of that.

  • A_Texan

    “”I have not changed …. I have always been against anything that would take away a woman’s right to have an abortion.”

    Al Gore–1988.
    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/thomas020100.asp
    http://www.worldmag.com/articles/1591
    http://books.google.com/books?id=bwAqAQAAIAAJ&q=%22I+have+always+been+against+anything+that+would+take+away+a+woman%27s+right+to+have+an+abortion%22&dq=%22I+have+always+been+against+anything+that+would+take+away+a+woman%27s+right+to+have+an+abortion%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CTwLT6ObKITO2AXVkbmnAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

    What did he say in the world of rational people with one or more clues?

  • A_Texan

    He was a Democrat when Reagan faced Carter, remained a Democrat when Reagan faced Mondale, and when Bush faced Dukakis.

    Be became a Republican after the GOP won Texas three straight elections in a row (after it was clear that Lloyd Bentsen made 0% difference to Bush’s victory in Texas.

    And he became a Republican when George Bush Sr. was enjoying 70% approval rating in mid 1989.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx

    Again, I don’t think he’s a bad man. I’d vote for him. But he’s no more a conservative champion than Santorum is–and Santorum has been consistently a social conservative, foreign-policy hawk, and a mildly compassionate conservative.

  • acat

    about the same time much of the South did… (see also “GOP Southern Strategy”)

    The Dems have become much more liberal, look at where Rick Perry and Al Gore started and where they both are today, so .. I’m perfectly happy to see that Perry left the Dems at the same time they were busily running to the left.

    Mew

  • streiff

    you’re only quoting part of the article. You missed this:

    I’ve frequently quoted from Gore’s 1984 letter to a constituent in columns and in public speeches, but apparently it isn’t news until the big media boys decide it’s news. In that letter, Gore said it was his “deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong.” That sure is a lot stronger than the pathetic “personally opposed, but” rhetoric to which pro-choice politicians usually treat us.

    If you can vote for Romney you should have no problem with this kind of election year conversion story.

  • texashistorian

    Then again, the reason Texas began going GOP so readily is that voters and politicians here were abandoning the Democrats all around the same time. Perry was just one in a long, long list who switched party affiliation in the mid to late 80s. It’s a chicken-egg argument, but whether it was motivated by ideology, election prospects, or a combination of both, it was clearly not a cynical maneuver on the order of Arlen Specter.

    I think Perry is sufficiently conservative.Fiscally he’s done well in his tenure. Cato Institute, who is tough on these issues, gave him a B in 2010, and ranked him 9th out of 50 in fiscal policy. That is one area he beats Santorum badly when you compare records. Rick S. is good on the social issues, I grant you, and is a foreign policy hawk (not sure if that makes one necessarily more conservative than the other as long as we are not talking ‘leading from behind’) but fiscally he is dubious.

  • A_Texan

    Google makes this all too easy.

    He was a “compassionate” conservative>
    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/4565/

    He wanted to reach out “to build a bipartisan consensus” on tax reform.
    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/32/

    I could do this all day to show: RIck Perry is no more a “pure” conservative than Rick Santorum. I will support either, but think we should focus our attention on defeating Romney in SC first.

  • cbartlett

    Did you hear Rush’s off-the-cuff “rant” Friday afternoon? He basically said we Republicans are allowing others, primarily the media, define who is “electable” and why. He made some excellent points – think they are available on the website. He didn’t really have any solutions to the problem except that educated people should NOT be afraid to stand up for what we believe and to quit worrying about what other people think – he did acknowledge that it was very difficult for most people. He keeps saying he won’t endorse but the ideas he promotes these days sure do sound like anti-Romney to me. Sure wish he’d give Perry a boost – would be such a shock to MSM, and establishment GOP. Lots of prayer needed.

  • A_Texan

    He became a Republican in January 1983, when GOP prospects were at their nadir, so it seemed.

    Again, I think Perry will be a decent GOP President, same with Santorum. BOth would be better somewhat than W. I trust they will be more or less conservative. I don’t trust Romney.

    My expectations are low–I’d love a Churchill or Lincoln, but…

  • A_Texan

    happened before Perry’s support.

    I thought it was well-known that Gore was an abortion flip-flopper, and that the only point int dispute between us was whether he had flipped by 1988. He had,

  • A_Texan

    You’re probably right–re Redstate’s impact.

    If Romney wins, we’ll have to be more vigilant than under Obama. And if he gets a second term? Watch out…

  • streiff

    before announcing his run Gore was a very strong pro-life senator. His announcing for the presidency is what caused him to flip. Even then, and I know because I was active during the 1988 campaign, Gore was a very attractive candidate. Supporting Gore in 1988 is something that a lot of Southern Democrats did, which is what Perry was ant the time.

    Barry Goldwater was a flip flopper on abortion, too.

    This asinine idea that no one can change their mind over a 25 year span is more of a reflection of political imbecility on the part of the observer than duplicity on the part of the candidate.

  • lionelpeach

    I don’t understand why everyone thinks so. The amorphous platitudes, the fluffy adjectives, empty and vague. He’s got the “presidential look” down, but he’s not running for class president, he’s running for America’s president. And having done such damage in his first term, he does not deserve a second. He and his cabinet have shown themselves to be the most subversive in history.

    The electorate who voted for him should show some contrition or at least some humility. I know. Not bloody likely.

  • Tman8

    He is the only candidate other than Romney to be on the air right now in SC. His superpac has been on the ad going after Newt and Mitt for a few weeks. He’s got some smart movers-and-shakers showing him around the state, he’s holding private meetings with party activists and pastors as we speak, doing meet and greets and getting a head start from the other candidates, etc. A lot of the folks that were central to the Bush 2000 primary win against McCain here are working the state for Perry now. Just a report from on the ground here in the Palmetto State.

  • tyman

    Romney didn’t do well last time, and I don’t think that he looks any better this time around (and last time, he was more on the conservative end).

    Santorum is a flash in the pan once his record comes out.

    Newt may have some appeal, but I think Perry is the one who will appeal to SC as a Red State. As long as too many Democrats don’t cross and vote in the primary…that’s my concern.

    I wish someone would tell me that my concern is unfounded and show me why.

    I hope Perry catches fire throughout the south! If he does that, I think he’s got a fighting chance to start getting the coverage he deserves. Goodness knows that Romney is getting free airtime on Fox.

  • david1313

    Coming on strong, geez, by this time he will be in double digits by the November election. Do you really want to say Rick Perry has been working S.C. for weeks, and this is the position he is in. Hmmm

  • evilleramsfan

    The difference here is that your links all refer to state issues. How each state decides to address those issues is up to that state. The “conservative” answer is let the states decide. As long as no national program is developed of fought for, then it meets the litmus test for conservatism. The problem with several of the candidates is that they support to one degree or another allowing the federal government to control matters that should be left up to the states. Nothing you have posted shows that to be the case with Perry.

    Now, as to the individual issues listed in the links. What is wrong with being a “compassionate conservative”? True conservatism in and of itself is compassionate. There has to be some safeguards out there to protect from abuses by those who seek to take advantage of others. As far as building a bipartisan consensus to reform taxes….what fails to be conservative about that? Being a conservative does not mean you can’t work with others….

  • geoph

    And I think you are only scratching the surface. Believe me, I’m very concerned – but (perhaps naively) I find a small spec of hope due to our military strength. That America has seen better times, that America had a more promising future, that America is now planted on a faulty and failing foundation – I believe that, but it’s what we can build from the wreckage afterwards that gives me hope for our posterity.

  • evilleramsfan

    Conservative/Liberal is. The Democrat party used to have both a conservative and a liberal wing. Same with the Republican party. Now, however, there is only moderate and liberal on the Democrat side whereas the Republicans still have conservative/moderate/liberal.

  • carolynr

    We agree on Romney…no problem. However…if Perry does not make it…by some miracle…then it will be Gingrich for me.

    What is the difference between Perry and Santorum. Perry helped put into law free market agendas. There are JOBS out there and I saw it first hand. Tort Reform…he helped with that…not to mention Healthy Texas. What is Santorum…a lawyer. Do I think tort reform will be on the national agenda…NO. Perry is into the 10th Amendment…Santorum is a big government guy.

    So…Perry’s Purity is our benefit. Santorum’s Silt…is our demise.

  • carolynr

    No….Perry would go over to the Republican Party because the Democrats are full of secularists. Besides…how you going to stay in the Democratic Party being pro-life and pro-gun these days?

    Today’s Dems are becoming more and more like commies…look how they vote. Party line…and Obama is a Marxist…forget the socialist…Perry was being nice.

  • carolynr

    but….we have to get out there and help Perry. Get on their paper…The State…they have individual blogs. Write as good post, cut and paste it and let it rip all over SC. Volunteer early for the phone bank…I did. I will also go over and help them out…I live next door.

    Let’s see what happens here. Newt is hitting Romney really good…as I predicted…he will go down fighting…at this point, Gingrich will pull everything out of the bag. Santorum is not doing good in NH. And our third party stealth candidate, Ron Paul is in second…too bad. So…help out Perry in SC.

    If what I saw in Texas could be transformed into the USA…we’d be paying off the debt, we’d have a path for SS and Medicare and the standard of living would be way up…not to mention the NYSE…where I would love to get a 10% return…and the only way I can do that is if we HAVE JOBS.

    Hey…Tebow pulled it out in overtime…maybe Perry can too.

  • carolynr

    South Carolinians?..What is going on with you. I live in your neighboring state and I read that your governor, who was a tea party candidate endorsed a man that is not even Conservative. How do you expect to turn this country around if you nominate a man who is a mirror image of Obama? Look at the man?s record. Forget the rhetoric?look at the record.

    Did any of you who voted for Obama feel betrayed when you found out that America was not his number one agenda? Or were you, like me, one who went to the polls holding my nose while I pulled the lever in favor of McCain? If you are either of those two people, let me tell you what I did this time around. I investigated the candidates. I looked at government records, I asked people who lived in states where they had governed, I listened very carefully to the candidates. Were they playing to the crowd, saying what they wanted to hear, not what they believed. Who was I going to vote for. Here is what I found out?not through the punditry?but through statistics?facts, record. I blog on the major papers?I listened to what the people had to say. Some were nuts, some gave information not given by the media. So, here is what I believe and some of what I know.

    Willard Mitt Romney. Your governor?s endorsee. He is a very wealthy man. I don?t have a problem with that, however with the class warfare that Obama has been playing since he began campaigning, many people do. He was a hedge fund manager and he also ran Bain Capital, a company that bought other companies and either dissolved them for the good of the shareholders or turned them into successes. The one identifiable to you is Staples. Romney also turned around the Olympics wherein it became a positive rather than a negative. His political career is not that impressive. His home state of Michigan, of which he rarely speaks, is in terrible shape. He moved and ran to the left of Senator Ted Kennedy. That would make him a Progressive (in other words, the same as Obama). He lost. He also held positions prior to that run and changed them to win. Judgment: Inconsistent. He ran for Governor of MA. He won. He took positions that were again opposite that of his earlier life. Long story short, the man changes his mind to fit the occasion and today?we can?t afford it. Is he pro-gay?well, he appointed judges that are. Is he pro-life?he has changed his mind, but again funded planned parenthood TWO YEARS after he claims to be pro-life. What was his ?signature? legislation, Romneycare, the basis for this God awful Obamacare?yes. My Vote For Romney: No?not under any circumstances.

    Ron Paul. Well, there is an odd duck. He believes in the Constitution, as do I, however I believe that Congressman Paul wants it in the form it was originally written without amendments. I do not like his stance on foreign affairs. He talks over the heads of most people concerning ?bubbles?, the Fed and economics in general. My Vote For Paul: No

    Jon Huntsman. Now this is an interesting governor with a very impressive plan and a very impressive record. He also understands world affairs better than anyone on the ballot, even Newt. However, the man painted himself as a moderate, when in fact he is Conservative with the exception of a question on global warming. Mr. Vote For Huntsman: Yes, if it will defeat Obama.

    Newt Gingrich. This is a very learned, impressive man. I will forget what the punditry says and go with what I have listened to over the years. He has accomplished many good things. However, Newt scares me because of his seeming scattered direction. He, at times, seems to contradict his own credentials. I believe he holds basic Conservative ideals with a ?liberal? flair. He has many ideas and I believe many can pull us out of this morass. I am not interested in his former infidelities?but hope that he will not be a Washington insider. My Vote For Gingrich: Yes, if it will defeat Obama.

    Rick Santorum. I admire his social Conservative credentials?but when it comes to fiscal Conservatism?he is in the same boat as President George W. Bush. He calls himself a compassionate conservative and that is what got us started on the road to economic decline. Bush didn?t not how to veto?and I might add for political gain and I believe Santorum is cast out of the same mold. One of my pet peeves is using God/religion/spirituality to sway a vote while a person has their hands in my pocket for more taxes. Here are some things to consider. The mortgage he received from his Bank was run by his donors. They also contributed to his PAC. Does this sound like shades of Countrywide/Chris Dodd. One of his top donors received an $8 million dollar earmark and violated Senate gift rules and Santorum got a slap on the wrist. However, this was the one. Santorum started a charity. Oh what a message that sends. what a good guy?right? It was called Operation Good Neighbor and it was put in place to illustrate his compassionate conservatism. It was too bad that it was run by lobbyists with business considerations worth millions that was before the Senate. Federal funds went to a real estate developer who backed his charity. Can you say pay for play. This is very similar to the actions of another compassionate conservative?.GWB. My Vote for Santorum: No

    Rick Perry. He is the person with the record. Before I go into some of it. Let me tell you?because Governor Perry didn?t. He had back surgery just prior to announcing his candidacy in your State. His spine was fused. This accounts for his not so stellar debate performance. His back is on the mend and he is doing much better. Why do I like Perry? He?s Conservative. He?s pro-life, pro-gun, strong defense, great tax plan (this is really a winner), has a solution for SS. Folks?if we don?t fix this?we?re not going to have any?very soon. He has a solution for younger people..wherein the $$$ are in their names?government can?t steal it. He will seal the border. He?s a state?s rights person?and he believes in God and isn?t afraid to say so. I have a daughter that lives in Texas?so I visit. When I was there over Christmas?the place boomed from the last visit. There?s a population explosion going on there. People are moving to Texas, doctors are moving to Texas because of tort reform, houses are being built, businesses are moving in?and these aren?t just low end jobs. It?s a right to work state. Perry delivered a balanced budget, cut government waste and gave them a surplus. TX is responsible for 63% of Obama?s job creation. Perry gave the people voter integrity with Voter ID Cards. Perry lowered energy costs. Perry defunded Planned Parenthood, passed stronger eminent domain laws. Perry helped with law enforcement, with reforms to the judicial system, he abolished sanctuary cities and TX is funding the border security?a FEDERAL obligation. He was there for his people during hurricane, droughts, fires and floods. Do you remember Obama shunning Tennessee because they didn?t vote for him when the tornadoes and floods came through that state?I do?.they?re a neighbor or mine also. Perry served in our military and the best part?Perry knows what it is like to be poor, middle class?and semi-rich. So, he shouldn?t be out of touch with anyone. He?s a commander in chief of his national guard serving overseas?.and Texas is the 13th largest economy in the world.
    My Vote for Perry?.Yes?oh God Yes?please give us our country back.

  • explodinghead

    Thanks for your efforts Carolyn. I posted to several SC tea party sites today. Unfortunately I am not on faccebook and have no desire to be, so it limits where I can post, particularly SC papers.
    Keep up the good work, it’s not over till it’s over.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    It’s tool late to miss hitting the iceberg, but we can make sure there are enough lifeboats for everybody.

  • Tman8

    I’ve been involved in South Carolina politics for the past twenty years, and as much as some of my fellow GOP like to talk up the fear that Democrats will cross-over and choose our nominee, it just doesn’t happen on any meaningful level. It’s more a nominal thing.

    About 50-55% of the Democrat electorate in South Carolina is African-American. The black turnout in a GOP primary is very very low – even when there is no Democrat primary on the same day. Then you have the folks that are partisan Democrats – more often then not they just don’t want to be recorded as having voted in a GOP primary. There will be some that will try to play games and go vote for the weakest perceived GOP nominee, but that is more nominal. The last time there was any sort of known effort on the part of partisan Democrats to do this was in 1996 when some Democrat Party folks told people to go and vote for Pat Buchanan as the weakest nominee. Dole won the GOP primary in SC that year.

    There are still some pockets of lower-end white votes in rural parts of the state who align with Democrats on the local and state levels, but these were also Bush voters who became anti-Obama voters – voting for either Clinton or Edwards against Obama in 2008 primary and them McCain in the general. Since there is no Democrat primary this year then some of these folks will vote in the GOP primary. These folks will vote not to cause trouble for the GOP but will simply be continuing their tradition of voting Republican at the presidential level. They are most likely attracted to the more populist candidacies of folks like Perry and Santorum – and I think Perry will actually have an edge among many of the down scale white working class voters in South Carolina as a whole given Perry’s “Southernness” and limited government, pro military message (most of these lower income white voters are GOP now in SC anyway).

    So all in all it is not crossover voting from Democrats that concerns me in SC – it’s the upper-middle income suburban voters aroud Greenville, Columbia, and along the coast who are not super-religious, probably don’t pay a lot of attention to politics in their daily life, and who just assume to fall in line with whoever the GOP frontrunner is – the bandwagon voters who will help Romney. That is what has to be stopped.

  • horizon3

    trying to put words in my mouth. I did not include Perry because of the length of the sentence. Besides he is pretty much a conservative where the others are most certainly not.

  • kamiller42

    This article is great, but I think it’s overwhelming. There are so many items that the some readers will just give them a cursory glance. It also gives the appearance they are all equally bad.

    You should publish these in groups, “Santorum’s Big Government Moments of the Day.” List 4 or 5 of these along with brief descriptions explaining the harm these cause.

    For instance…
    “Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.”

    This is only half the story. George Bush wanted to cut funding to Amtrak, that government money pit. Santorum disagreed and fought to preserve funding for Amtrak. Previously, he offered an amendment to increase funding by $550 million. Sooi!
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71173_Page2.html

  • ihateliberals

    There are no true conservatives right now in the race for President.

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  • circlegranch

    I’ve had alot of emails from people looking for it and since its slipped down, they think its gone. Can you put it back up on the top?