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By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  January 16th, 2012 at 08:07 AM  | 

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You just can’t make these up.

From: rajantewari@gmail.com
Subject: Thoughts
Date: January 16, 2012 8:02:15 AM EST
To: erick@redstate.com

Your thoughtless and final analysis…

“the evangelical movement might have just sown the first seeds of division for 2016 — seeds that, like in 2008 and 2012, prevented evangelicals from getting one of their own the nomination.”

When has the evangelical movement ever got one of their own the nomination?

Why does it really matter what they do and think?

The literally have no power anymore not even in small states like Iowa. Their candidate lost the gubernatorial primary.

I think they are very much bigots. When they slander and attack Romney and Mormons, why the hell would the Romney camp be receptive to them? The divisiveness and the hypocrisy, say one thing and do another, lie cheat and steal and then, remember we are all sinners we will be saved no matter what… Why do you think no one takes you seriously when no one takes this “anti-Christ” movement seriously.

Anti-Christ because their actions are destroying the kingdom for their own political gain. It’s all about themselves and money. They sell Christ for money. They preach for hire. Preistcraft in its worst form.

Last Point, what if members of the LDS church and when I said members I mean to say all the LDS top Hierarchy from the top and down to local leadership, decided to publically have a “political conference” and uses their vast power influence and resources to get Mitt Romney elected.

I wonder what would come out of your mouth?

I wonder what would come out of the mouths of those bigoted members of the Priestcraft wing of the republican party.

I honest pray that Romney never builds a bridge with those hypocrites and bigots and in turn it will help him in the middle when he sticks his thumb at the worst of the republican party.

I hope you continue to lose sleep.

Last, I love the part when a majority of them knew that Romney is going to win, and they pretend that they have influence to get Santorum to be Romney’s VP.

Haha, how do they plan to pull than one off? And Santorum is Romney’s guy anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if Santorum dropped out before Newt and Perry who he would endorse. Not to mention his little buddy in Wyoming that is funding his little SPAC. Don’t you know Santorum and Romney are family friends? And they have always been in this together since Huckabee and McCain teamed up on Romney. This was all decided when Meg Whitman, Santorum and Romney where campaigning together and realized why they lost and how to get Romney an ally in the Debate to get him past Iowa and South Carolina.

Tell your bigot friends to keep praying for Santorum, because just like you said in this article, a vote for Santorum is a vote for Romney.

Thanks for making me laugh this morning, your article made my day.

P.S. Huntsman dropped out and Endorsed Romney before the Primary to get Romney more votes. How much money do you think Huntsman Sr. and the other Mormons that were on the sidelines waiting are going to give Romney know. And how many more points will Romney win by in S.C. now that Huntsman is out. What about Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho?

I hope you enjoyed my little article as much as I enjoyed yours…

Tewari
R. N. Tewari

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  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    “The dumb will always be among you.”

    1 Confusions 6:8

  • Tman8

    Remember what their motto is: “I believe what Mitt Romney tells me to believe.”

    No one ever talks about the people who support Romney simply BECAUSE he is a Mormon. Is that much better? Seriously – ever meet someone who worships Mitt Romney the way that we used to make fun of people for worshipping Obama? That person is either a Mormon or named Jennifer Rubin probably. Is it a coincidence that Romney will get like 90% in the Utah primary?

    It doesn’t make sense for Mormons to criticize conservative Christians for wanting to vote for one of their own when the reason so many of them support Romney is because he is one of their own.

    And quite honestly, I’d be more like to support Mitt Romney if he was a BETTER Mormon. We Catholics know a thing or two about Catholic politicians who may attend weekly mass and all, but who go completely against the Church on non-negotiable issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. New England and the Northeast has traditionally been littered with these types of public officials. Most of the Mormons I have ever known are deeply conservative on moral/social/values based issues. However the Romney Family going back to the 1960′s when George Romney was governor has never been this way. Of course no Mormon supporter of Mitt doesn’t want to look at the history of the Romney’s going against the LDS Church on social issues – you know, that would involve critical analysis and all.

  • powertothepeople

    God help us, the English language slaughtering insanity!

  • jakeofalltrades
  • throwback59

    anyone on this site. That’s an improvement over the emails we usually get.

  • resser

    The email made you that angry?

  • sethellis

    He has an interesting point with the LDS political conference thing. I think he’s wrong though. If the LDS church had such a conference the GOP would probably just ignore it since we all know who they would choose.

    The LDS church has a strict policy to not endorse or support specific candidates. I think this is a good policy. Teach correct principles, and let people come to their own conclusions as far as politics go.

  • avgjo

    nt

  • avgjo

    nt

  • circlegranch

    First, Rick Perry did not stand with Rev. Jeffers over the “Mormonism is a cult” statement. Please don’t hang any concern about that part of Romney’s campaign around Perry’s neck.

    Secondly, by going to the ‘secret meeting’ in TX this weekend and laying down the law about how this campaign is going to play out as if reading the 10 Commandments from the Mount, Romney’s team is making this about religion.They didn’t go make a pitch for Mormonism to calm any underlying fears. They gave marching orders in terms of how votes should be cast. Romney chose to sit out the Thanksgiving Family Values forum held in a church and moderated by Frank Luntz. For whatever reason, he did not feel comfortable about participating. He did not suffer in the polls because of it. His support base recognized it was his choice and they have stuck by him. He was not attacked by the “Christian Right” for sitting out.

    Jeffers was maligned and demeaned (although you’ll look long and hard for a Christian denomination that supports some of the teachings of the Mormon Church). He was trashed and thrashed and silenced. Romney didn’t suffer from Jeffers’ comments; Jeffers did.

    Your concerns about Huckabee and others making this race about Mormonism are misplaced. Mr. Romney has a quality much the same as his November opponent, he’s got a teflon coating. Very little sticks. You can be upset as much as you choose about those nasty Evangelicals being bigoted toward your candidate, but if your candidate’s surrogates had stayed out of Texas, chances are great none of these conversations would be had today. The only take-away would have been Rick Santorum escaping with the ordination, in spite of his own problems and issues.

    Quite frankly, if the vote taken in Texas was based soley on making sure an evangelical Christian gets the nomination, those ruling class elites present at the table would not have chosen a Roman Catholic. The mere fact that they absolutely refused to even look at Rick Perry, the only life long evangelical Christian in the mix should allay your fears that Mitt is being victimized by bigots and religious zealots.

  • porkandcheese

    Santorum is a stalking horse for Romney, and this strategy was devised in 2008 after Huckabee helped McCain win SC. Romney knows he’s unpopular in the South, and it has little to do with his religion.

    Now it’s just Newt and Santorum splitting the conservative vote and keeping Perry from gaining traction. Romney supporters are so confident that they’re tipping their hand. Huntsman wasn’t going to gain much traction, which is why he dropped out. Colbert was outpolling him in SC. There’s no new money there, either. Romney’s donor support is largely tapped out, though he still commands the biggest warchest among the candidates.

    But don’t write Perry off yet. This email is a good reason why.

  • joshdunn

    Jesus also said “He that is not against us is on our part.” (in other words “he that is not against us is on our side”) (Mark 9:39-40)

    Mitt Romney doesn’t run around telling people that he’s a Christian, but if he is like the overwhelming majority of members of the Church of Jesus Christ, there is no doubt that he is a Christian.

    Does he believe in being saved? Sure he does. All members of his church do. (“it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved”)(2 Nephi 10:24)

    If we focus solely on the issue of “which Republican candidate can best lay claim to the label ‘evangelical Christian’?” then we would end up with a candidate who doesn’t have the character and the vision to beat Obama.

    Because we ended up with Mitt Romney as the nominee, we ended up with a devout Christian who does not drink, smoke, use illegal drugs, steal, embezzle, cheat on his wife, etc. who has the character and the vision to beat an entrenched incumbent.

    I, for one, detest the way a lot of Romney supporters have been treated on this site for the last 12 months. Some of them deserved to get kicked off, but others didn’t.

    Finally, the question marks surrounding who the nominee will be are disappearing and we can finally coalesce around the nominee; once Erick, Bill S, Justin Spagnolo, etc. realize that there is no point in dragging out the nomination battle after South Carolina is over.

    Contrary to the meme here, this will not be a long nomination battle.

  • joshdunn

    Many people here, including front-pagers and moderators believe whatever comes out of Rick Perry’s campaign propoganda.

    Exhibit A is the ridiculous insistence here that Perry still has a legitimate shot at the nomination. He doesn’t. (Don’t tell Erick. It will make him feel sad.)

    There certainly are people that like Romney simply because he’s Mormon. But there are also people who like him because he is not vulnerable to the attacks that Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich are vulnerable to. Romney has lived an exemplary life and few people have ever deserved the presidency more than he has. (McCain deserved it for his service record in Vietnam but not his voting record as a senator.)

    Some Mormons have cringed at the way Romney ran for Senate in 1994. He showed that he does not take orders from Salt Lake. He calls his own shots.

    Romney is not a “cafeteria Mormon” the way that John Kerry was a “cafeteria Catholic” because the LDS church does not tell candidates what their position on social issues should be.

    You can be a faithful Latter-day Saint and be pro-choice. What you cannot do is encourage a woman or girl to go get an abortion unless her life is in danger. Even in the case where the woman or girl was raped, they would still prefer that she does not execute the innocent child. But the church won’t discipline her if that is what she decides to do. But it will discipline any bishop who tells a member of his congregation to get an abortion when her life is not in danger.

    Anyway. I realize that you and Erick need some time to grieve so I’ll just get out of the way.

  • joshdunn

    I think that your main objection to Romney is that he is not your brand of Christian.

    Answer me this: if Romney had been an evangelical Christian (all other things being equal), what would you think about him?

    I realize that Romney’s had wrong positions in the past. But so have Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. What matters is this: is the candidate for raising taxes or lowering them? Is the candidate pro-choice or pro-life? Is he for SSM or against it?

    These are the issues that count and Romney has a great track record as a governor on all three of these issues.

  • joshdunn

    His tone is awful. He will never be welcome here as long as he calls people bigots.

    But the tone on this site has been very bad over the last 10 months or so. Several Republican candidates have been sullied by attacks that only liberals could condone.

    The democrats, to their credit, rarely raise the rhetoric to the level that we have raised it to on this site. We’ve gone after each other with flame-throwers while they’ve been taking notes and preparing for the general election.

    I’m glad to see that the tone has gotten a little better here. But the hate-Romney stuff has to stop. He is a conservative Republican and he is likely to be the next president.

  • joshdunn

    The LDS policy to refrain from endorsing candidates is admirable.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Mormonism is reprehensible for its historic stance against black people and Native Americans.

  • joshdunn

    Perry was asked, point-blank, whether or not he agreed with Pastor Jeffress that Mormons are not Christians and Perry did not correct Pastor Jeffress’s false statement. Perry was asked whether he believed that Mormons are a cult and Perry didn’t answer the question.

    If someone asks me whether I believe that the Catholic Church is a cult, my answer will always be “no”. I don’t even need to think about that one. Likewise with the Church of Jesus Christ (Mitt’s church). They are not a cult. To call them a cult is nothing more than childish name-calling.

  • joshdunn

    Santorum can’t catch Romney because the evangelical right is split between Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich.

    I’ve written off Perry for so many reasons. He is simply not electable outside of Texas.

  • jakeofalltrades

    as I have done in dozens of posts, calling them traitors and RINOs, then you are doing a great job by lying and calling me a bigot.

    I am about to declare war on your particular brand of stupidity.

  • joshdunn

    What? What does that have to do with Mitt Romney?

    You’re seriously going to go there?

    How many black evangelical pastors stood in front of white congregations in the 19th Century? Or even the 20th Century for that matter? Are you going to assume that you know anything about the LDS’s “stance” on blacks?

    If so, then tell me whether or not Joseph Smith ordained any black men to the priesthood. It should be an easy question for you, since you’re an expert on the subject.

  • pttx333

    down as “reporting for duty.” I DO NOT suffer fools – ever.

  • joshdunn

    I didn’t.

    Re-read my post and tell me where I called you a bigot. The way you’re acting right now is not helping your cause.

  • jakeofalltrades

    merely because Romney is my second choice, then guess what, I can tell the truth about their religion.

  • duramater

    anyone’s stalking horse. All he has to do is stay on his own pos. message and let the others: Newt, Santorum and Paul devour each other in a feeding frenzy.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Your stupid act won’t work here. You said: “I think that your main objection to Romney is that he is not your brand of Christian.”

    Which anyone who has read my comments knows is the opposite of the truth,

    You are lying about me. If you can deceitfully call me a bigot, I think the historic racism of the Mormon religion is on the table.

  • jakeofalltrades

    :)

  • pttx333

    or are just incredibly mean spirited. I suggest that you come up with a different approach besides all of the false accusations that you continually throw out – particularly about Rick Perry. I don’t know who you are really in the tank for, but you are quite the attack dog for someone.

    Get over yourself and stop the nastiness you bring to RS.

  • avagreen

    Perry was asked whether he believed that Mormons are a cult and Perry didn?t answer the question. he most certainly did answer the question……..he said HE DIDN’T AGREE WITH IT!!
    “I said I did not agree with uh pastor Jeffers remarks. I don’t agree with them. I I cant …”
    www.mormondialogue.org/topic/?56024-perry-stands-his-ground-mitt…

    I think you were pushing this garbage back when this first happened. I can see the cobwebs are still there, or grew back?

  • lineholder

    narrative, please? He’s a self-professed moderate. “Self-professed” means that it comes from his own mouth!!

    You keep trying to present him as a Conservative, which doesn’t hold true when the man himself says otherwise and all of his actions say otherwise.

  • pttx333

    my reply above to joshdunn – that should enlighten you a little more.

  • dansvan

    Perry is electable in this household, and I haven’t lived in Texas since 1990. I live in a deep-blue Pacific Northwest state (and have for 21 years to my eternal frustration) and I can still see Perry’s wonderful qualifications from this distance.

    I am confident that other conservatives can do the same. You must not be a conservative, or you might be able to see the same.

  • avagreen

    …..this might even be NoLongerForPerry under a different name, who hasn’t shown up since being labeled a *troll* yesterday or the day before…….

  • pttx333

    and are an unwelcome pest. You’re coming really, really close to slander, if not already there. If you think you are winning any points with anyone other than your compadres who also lurk here, guess again!

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Ninguno texto////

  • No Longer For Perry

    Only needed to stay on his own positive message, etc.
    The only problem with that is that – He can’ remember it!

  • avagreen

    dansvan……**troll alert**
    avagreen Monday, January 16th at 1:04PM EST (link)

    ?..this might even be NoLongerForPerry under a different name, who hasn?t shown up since being labeled a *troll* yesterday or the day before??.

  • No Longer For Perry

    You don’t research as well as you brag. My comment was made several minutes before yours. Touch

  • pttx333

    strange things just happen for no reason. Just out of the blue even. /s

  • acat

    Also, you may want to read what he wrote again….

    Mew

  • avagreen

    nt

  • avagreen

    My comment was made at
    dansvan??**troll alert**
    avagreen Monday, January 16th at 1:04PM EST (link)

    Your comment was made at
    No Longer For Perry Monday, January 16th at 1:09PM EST (link)

    You make it so easy.

  • acat

    The posting rules are clear that questions about moderation – including whether another commenter is breaking the rules – should go to the contact page .. and it says you should use the address contact@redstate.com.

    I’ve been .. blessed? .. to have .. received helpful suggestions .. directly from more than one of the moderators, and have filed away their e-mail addresses, should I ever need to ask questions. Perhaps if you ask nicely, they may communicate with you as well?

    Mew

  • simplethinker

    Of course there will be some evangelicals that vote against Romney mainly because he is Mormon. Polls show it. Getting upset about it is getting upset at facts.

    Of course there will be many evangelicals that would vote against Romney even if he were an evangelical. So many have said as much, and I don’t yet have evidence to expose a vast Conservative Christian Conspiracy (CCC), though that might be because it is so secret that the members themselves don’t even know they are a part of it.

    Of course this all sounds pretty obvious. I wonder why so many get so upset about this?

  • avagreen

    I’ve also written that email address several times requesting how to get access to my profile. (which is now available for the past week or so), still no answer.

    So…….

  • avagreen

    It’s rather discouraging………

  • acat

    I am assured that the contacts page e-mail gets read, although it doesn’t get replied to.

    For the profile, I would suggest finding an open thread and posting a request in it titled “NEIL: HELP!”

    Mew

  • duramater

    nt

  • jakeofalltrades

    if Romney is nominated.

    Perry 2012.

  • avagreen

    months ago, and now this issue.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I just fix the problem and hit delete. With the profile thing, I think they probably got a thousand emails…

  • acat

    Mew

  • simplethinker

    Apologies, my sarcasm tags were deleted on submission.

  • avagreen

    The problem went on for months, though.

    This is about a letter of complaint about a Troll.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I’ve seen a “man” cry on here because there were no sarc tags.

  • acat

    is, as Bill S. I think pointed out, one of the better examples of what lands in their bin.

    Perhaps asking for a reply would help.

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

  • joshdunn

    Numerous polls have borne out the fact, of the 7 Republicans who made it to the Iowa Caucuses (Romney, Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, Bachmann, Perry, Huntsman) Romney is the best opponent to Obama.

    If you really cared about beating Obama, you will put a Romney sticker on your car once the nomination is final. And put a yard sign in front of your house so that your neighbors know that 4 more years of Obama is intolerable.

  • Tman8

    I doubt the LDS Church thinks it is perfectly acceptable to tell Mormons that they should be pro-life unless and until they run for public office – then anythng goes. The fact that Romney was an LDS bishop and staunchly pro-life just reveals yet another flip-flop on abortion for Mitt – how many is that now….

    Some politicians run by saying that “I am personally pro-life, but I will not impose my beliefs on the electorate.” There have been many Catholic pols in the Northeast who get elected this way. Romney didn’t run this way however in 1994 or 2002. He ran as a full-blown pro-choicer with elaborate explanations as to why he was so deeply pro-choice (the dead cousin, the corageous mother, etc.) The fact that he had to go to SLC to tell the Mormon hierarchy this proves that it was going to be an issue for him to run as a pro-choicer – even if as you say the LDS don’t put a gun to your head and say you have to run a specific way.

  • avagreen

    Right now I’m watching the vid from SC that I posted.

    Perry is doing great!

  • joshdunn

    If you want 2012 to be a referendum on Mitt’s religious beliefs, then you must be reading Obama’s talking points.

    2012 should be about the economy and about the president who owns this sorry economy.

    This is why good candidates don’t allow cats on the campaign trail. Their loyalty is only to themselves.

  • lineholder

    there are plenty of us who will do exactly that! But until then, while there is any hope at all that a more Conservative candidate than Romney has an opportunity to succeed against him, we’ll support who we each choose.

  • acat

    Oh wait. You can’t!

    Idiot.

    Mew

  • joshdunn

    The LDS Church does not get involved with its members’ political beliefs. There is nothing dishonest about becoming pro-life. I have a lot of friends who were pro-choice when they were young and single. Then they got married, saw their first ultra-sound image of their child, and became pro-life. There is nothing dishonest about this.

    I have had times in the past where my commitment to the pro-life movement has been questioned by people who thought that pro-life meant: “against abortion in all cases”.

    I’ve even had people tell me that because I only support criminalizing those abortions which are “on demand” (no rape or mother’s health issues) that I am basically pro-choice.

    I think that Mitt’s opposition to the practice of abortion has been consistent throughout his life. When he realized that legalized abortion was creating an “after-market” for stem cells, he realized that abortion-on-demand had to end and that the best way to accomplish that goal was to get on board with the pro-life movement to end abortion on demand.

    Sadly, Mitt will never be considered conservative enough for those people who have litmus tests that include statements that were made over 15 years ago.

    This is sad because it plays into Obama’s re-election strategy.

    Good job, there.

  • lineholder

    Why do you insist on making these redundant statements that convey and/or imply that it is Conservatives who are at fault in this? We are not the ones who are self-professed moderates. We are not the ones who have repeatedly changed our positions on issues.

    That is due to Romney, not Conservatives!!

  • joshdunn

    Romney is a pro-life conservative. He is against Obamacare. He is against SSM. He is for lowering taxes, specifically the corporate income tax and capital gains taxes. He is for maintaining all of the Bush tax cuts and making them permanent. He is committed to keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear state.

    What else do you want?

    As for changing positions on issues, you’ll have to talk to Rick Perry about his flip-flop on abortion (just last month), Gingrich about his flip-flop on the individual mandate (just last year), and Santorum about his flip-flop on earmarks.

    Every single politician has changed his position on issues. Romney is no different than any of the other Republicans who are running for president on the issue of flip-flops. The points is that he is now pro-life and has not wavered from his commitment to the pro-life movement.

  • joshdunn

    But there is only one Republican who has any type of path to the nomination at this point. The fact that he has now opened up a statistically significant lead against all of his rivals in South Carolina (where 60% of the GOP voters in 2008 were evangelical Christians) should tell you everything you need to know about Romney cross-denominational appeal.

    Good luck to you and your candidate. May the best man win.

  • acat

    while offering no proof of how long his “conversion” will last… this time.

    There’s video, for pete’s sake, of Romney espousing pro-choice positions that’s been posted here more than once.

    Do your homework, boy.

    Mew

  • joshdunn

    Which is a sign of either a hollow argument or a challenged intellect.

    Nice to see that you beat me to the name-calling card. Again.

  • carolynr

    we’re going to need it.

  • lineholder

    As far as I can tell, the only issue he has not flipped on is his support for socialized health care, and if you think that will gain him points with Conservatives, then that particular conclusion is erroneous to an extreme.

    All of this have gone through transitions where there positions have changed, but Romney has gone through more of them by far than any other candidate in this race! What’s more, he usually tends to do so when it politically advantageous to himself in one way or another.

    Why should we believe this is any different, or that he won’t flip his position in a heartbeat if he is elected President and if he is faced with a situation where it is politically expedient for him for to do so?

    Most of us as Conservatives have few illusions about the fact that Romney is a moderate who is currently pandering to Conservatives in the hopes of winning the nomination, and then the minute he succeeds, he’ll shift to the left.

    We need someone who will stay more to the right, both socially and fiscally. How can you often proof and evidence that he will do so?

  • acat

    The good news is the bar is pretty darn low.

    The bad news is, he’s running out of time.

    Mew

  • acat

    is a sign of an idiot.

    Do go see if you can figure out why I may think, in your above posts, why replying to you is a waste of my time.

    Mew

  • carolynr

    no…reference to you Acat…but that is what Obama says over and over again. Saul Alinsky style…and what are the sheeples going to do…pay attention. He already has these brats for OWS…not to mention the unemployment figures that will be coming out…and not to the good. So…It is going to be…NOT ABOUT RELIGION…Obama doesn’t want to touch that one…it is about dividing the country along economic lines…and Romney…who has yet to disclosure his financials…IS A FAT CAT…That will be the argument.

  • joshdunn

    First you accuse me of calling you a bigot. Which you know to be false. Then you accuse me of lying, which is also a false accusation.

    Then you call me a twit.

    Is this the way Jesus dealt with people who disagreed with him?

    If you have no problem with Mr. Romney’s religion, then why do you, unlike most Christians, persist in saying that he is not a Christian?

    How do you know what he believes about Christ?

    Answer the question I already posed to you: how can you say that Mitt Romney’s church’s history is more racist than the church that you attend?

    How do positions held my Mr. Romney’s church which have been disavowed by his church over 30 years ago have any bearing on Governor Romney?

    Your logic is very sloppy.

  • pttx333

    m

  • joshdunn

    Answer my question. It is very simple. Did Joseph Smith, the founder of Mitt Romney’s church, the Church of Jesus Christ, ordain black men to the priesthood?

    If you don’t know the answer, then please do us all a favor and shut up.

  • joshdunn

    ..

  • joshdunn

    He is a self-professed conservative.

    You call him a moderate. He has never called himself that.

    Progressive, sure. But what is a progressive? To me, someone who cuts taxes, helps businesses grow, and protects the lives of the unborn (who are still waiting for legal recognition of many of their God-given rights) is a progressive.

    Don’t get caught up in labels. A lot of moderate Democrats voted for Romney in 2002 only to find out that he was far more conservative than they expected. Haha.

  • lineholder

    This is a Conservative site, joshdunn, and you’re supporting a moderate, okay? His words, not mine, and you can talk to him about the wisdom of his choice of words rather than trying to hold me or any other Conservative accountable for the fact that Conservatives and moderates have totally different viewpoints on issues, and given that reality, there are those of us who don’t trust Mitt Romney to stay true to his word.

    That’s just how it is.

  • joshdunn

    Last time I checked, you didn’t own anything here.

  • joshdunn

    If you think I’m mean-spirited, look at your own posts. You’re a pretty mean guy yourself there.

  • Tman8

    is that you are trying to rationalize Mitt Romney’s positions (whether past or present) to make him the candidate that you either want him to be or think that conservatives want him to be, while I am not a Romney defender and instead look critically at his positions for what they are.

    No one except Mitt Romney himself knows what he personally believes deep down on the issue of abortion. I don’t particularly care. What I do care about, and what we can objectively track, is how Romney has used the issue as some sort of ping pong ball throughout his adult life. It’s the reason why thinking folks without a devotion to all things Mitt Romney might not give him the benefit of the doubt when he claims that a meeting with a Harvard stem cell researcher caused him to have this grand transformation on abortion. That’s called finding a story to fit your desired outcome.

  • joshdunn

    But this is all just a bunch of talk. I can’t look at your credentials any more than you can see mine.

    I will say this: I worked on Bush’s campaigns in 2000 and 2004. I’ve donated over $1000 to Republicans in my life (which is hard to do with what I make). I haven’t voted for a democrat since 1998 when a Republican told me that Republicans in my area were all voting for Gray Davis (a democrat) in the Democrat primary because he would be the easiest candidate for Republican Dan Lundgren to beat in the general election. (That was a mistake.)

    So don’t challenge my conservative credentials until you know what you’re talking about.

  • pttx333

    n

  • joshdunn

    Even though Romney’s got a lock on the nomination, it makes Romney’s campaign’s job easier when Perry stays in.

  • joshdunn

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/12/13/coulter_romney_the_most_conservative_candidate_in_gop_field.html

  • jakeofalltrades

    You’re the second Romney-in-the-general supporter he’s attacked today. And he was way more vicious with me, presumably because he is an anti-Christian bigot.

  • joshdunn

    What was Perry’s response to that question?

  • gekster

    Got a link?

  • acat

    Progressive is another word leftists use to describe themselves.

    That you wish it meant something else is nice, but carries no weight.

    Mew

  • acat

    May as well cite goproud or the log cabin republicans.

    Get serious, son.

    Mew

  • joshdunn

    Perry needed to place in the top 3 in either Iowa or New Hampshire. Barring that, he needs to finish in the top 2 in South Carolina.

    The odds of him finishing even in the top 4 in South Carolina are small. His presence hurts Gingrich and Santorum far more than it hurts Romney.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    position of the church from founding until 1978 when blacks men of African descent could not hold the priesthood in this way, and were also prohibited from participating in the temple Endowment and sealings, ordinances that the church teaches are necessary for the highest degree of salvation.

    In 1978 the US Department of Justice was getting ready to bring a civil rights action against LDS and the elders miraculously received a vision from God telling them they could lift the ban on blacks.

    And frankly, none of this has anything to do with the primary, and especially how Romney is viewed at Redstate. Romney’s problem is not his religion, it’s his resume. You can stomp your feet all you want, but Romney’s history is one of moderation and liberalism. He’s always been a fan of government solutions. Sure, today he’s a pro-life, free-market capitalist. Maybe. He’s given us no reason whatsoever to believe him.

    You’re doing neither yourself nor Romney any good with this line of claptrap because you’re exposing yourself to be an ignorant fool. You are the current version of Sarah’s Shriners, you’ve just replaced Sarah with Mitt.

    You’ll find any number of people who have stated they would not vote for Romney because of his politics in the primary. There have been a few who made the statement because of his religion and they’ve been roundly bashed by people like me who have no use for Romney at all. Those who have disavowed Romney in the general election, should he get the nomination, have also been roundly bashed.

    Are there people who won’t vote for Romney because he’s LDS? Absolutely. There is another side to that coin though, I would expect Romney to carry the LDS vote in a higher percentage than Obama carried the black vote in 08. That will more than offset anybody who’s not voting for him for religious reasons.

    With respect to his affiliation with LDS, I’ve never made any bones about the fact that I have huge theological issues with LDS. I’m also generally the first – or one of the first – to call people on the subject because it has exactly no place on a political forum. If you want to debate theology take it elsewhere.

  • acat

    Winning Iowa and New Hampshire are no longer the plums they used to be. Just ask President Howard Dean or President Pat Buchannan.

    Mew

  • gekster

    Romney did call himself a progresive.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

  • pttx333

    a lot of other folks around here. Might that not give you a clue?

    How do you know what I own or do not own? Furthermore, it is NOYB.

  • avagreen

    Axelrod: Huntsman Dropped Because He Wouldn’t Sell His Soul

    Jon Huntsman’s withdrawal offers an opportunity for Democrats to make a play for the sliver of moderate Republicans to whom he appealed — and also to make a broader point that the Republican Party is being pulled to the right, not to the left, by its most powerful forces.

    “He was simply unwillingly to make the Faustian bargains with the Right that Romney has so willingly made,” said David Axelrod, who is shaping Obama’s re-election campaign.

    With one remark, he was able to take a swipe at the (remaining) conservatives in the Republican Party (all…… one of them) and then give Romney a “push” as a “rightie”. ROF!

    Smart man, that Alexrod.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/axelrod-huntsman-dropped-because-he-wouldnt

    Sure sign that none of this is true if it’s coming from Axe’s mouth.

    P.S. don’t think joshdunn is a “son”……think he’s a female. That I’ve run into before on HA. She sortuv went off the cliff over there.

  • jakeofalltrades

    No one wants to hear your lies anymore.

  • lineholder

    and just found it. You beat me to it.

  • acat

    Does that work for ya?

    Mew

  • gekster

    ‘Romney calls himself progresive’

    I got 4,260,000 hits.

    If ya throw out 3/4, that still leaves over 1 million hits
    I think it’s on record he calls himself a proresive.

  • lineholder

    LOL, I used the wrong word…moderate instead of progressive.

    Anyway, just more evidence of Romney’s many “epiphanies”

  • joshdunn

    I’m going to assume that it is because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Talk to mbecker. He seems to be more well-read on the subject.

  • Aaron Gardner

    FYI, the moderators read your email to the contact form and took a look at the poster you cited. They didn’t see any thing obvious to mark him as a troll.

    They don’t always reply to every email that comes in, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t reading them and checking out the complaints.

    If you see anyone violating the published posting rules please use the contact email and cite the specific rule violation and include a link to the offending post.

    Thank you.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • joshdunn

    I am for progress. Real progress. Not what the left calls “progress”.

    Giving gays the right to marry and turning unborn children is not progress. Not in my book.

    I’m for cutting taxes, protecting the unborn, and for family values. All the things that Romney stood for as governor.

    I’m for giving businesses the tools that they need to succeed and then getting government out of the way so that good businesses can succeed and bad businesses can fail.

    That is progress to me.

    I can’t speak for Governor Romney but I’m pretty sure that his definition of progress is pretty close to mine.

    Stop using the left’s Alinsky/Lakoff framing. Look at the world through your own paradigm and not through the paradigm of the left wing.

  • gekster

    Ya know, show me where Perry ‘said’ Romney isn’t a Christian.
    I asked for a link.

  • Aaron Gardner

    FYI, that is not a request.

  • avagreen

    This woman is taking up this whole forum with her posts.

    What do you guys call it when you want to ignore someone? Kowalowsi?

  • joshdunn

    Look at the definition of the word “progressive”. I’ve linked it here so you don’t have to try and find it yourself: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/progressive

    Focus on the first definition of the word and not the seventh definition which didn’t even exist until some liberals realized that a lot of Americans don’t like liberals but they’re ok with “progressives” because they don’t know exactly what a “progressive” is but it sounds good.

    Now ask yourself, when Mitt describes himself as a progressive, is he using the term in its original sense (“favoring or promoting progress”) or is he using it the way people like Hillary Clinton use it?

    Is it Mitt’s fault if liberals in Massachusetts vote for him just because they’re too lazy to look up the meaning of words?

  • acat

    Here’s just one little nibble.

    Also, please don’t bother throwing around words like Alinsky/Lakoff as you clearly don’t understand them.

    Mew

  • gekster

    a prelude to Obamacare.
    I don’t think you really know what the word means, just like your misunderstanding of the word conservative, which you have labeled Romney with, who is far from a conservative.

  • APA Guy

    …yet you claim you’re a “conservative”…no wait…a “progressive”, but you have a different ideological definition of “progressive” than 99.999999% of the country.

    Sorry…I call troll on you, Josh. You bleat the left’s rhetoric while claiming to be “conservative”. That makes you a troll.

  • joshdunn

    lineholder’s argument that Mitt is a moderate by Mitt’s own words is fallacious.

    The left consider’s Coulter a conservative even if you don’t.

  • avagreen

    Will do. I do believe that I included the link I was talking about and thought that it was “personal attack” to have posted posts that I did not make, listing them one by one. And, once called out did not respond back about them.

    That person continues to hog this forum and has disrupted the flow of information and posts.

  • joshdunn

    As I’ve explained.

    Mitt was able to use his intelligence and creativity to get moderates in Massachusetts to vote for him.

    We need a guy who is both conservative and intelligent in the White House.

    Sounds like Mitt is the right guy for the job.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You’re a jackass.

    You’ve now taken to redefining commonly used terms of English in order to make your case. You won’t get away with it here.

    Let’s put Romney’s statement in context, in 2002 when Mitt Romney said he was a “progressive” he was speaking to the news media in Boston in the middle of a political campaign against your standard garden variety Boston liberal. In Massachusetts the word “progressive” has a very specific meaning and it’s not at all the one you’ve tried to slide by in your comment. Romney knew exactly what he was saying and how it would be interpreted and you’re little exercise is at best misdirection, more likely a blatant lie that you thought you could get away with. You can’t.

  • APA Guy

    Little word of advice for you, Josh:

    When you try to poison a conservative site with your filth, you get called out on it…regardless of who “owns” the site you pompous little troll.

  • joshdunn

    You just resort to name-calling when you run out of intelligent things to say.

    But at least you have some intelligent things to say. Unlike some people here.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    No josh. Just no. Mitt got Massachusetts voters to vote for him by being a moderate to liberal candidate. And then, he acted like a liberal while he was governor.

    You are really an idiot. Or perhaps just plain dumb.

  • gekster

    Romney is progresive in every liberal sense of the word.

    Modern Definition
    Within the past two or three years, the term “progressive” has come to be used by individuals wishing to distance themselves from the term “liberal,” which frequently is associated with negative connotations. The current usage of “progressive” is an umbrella term describing individuals holding left-leaning beliefs.

  • joshdunn

    I can’t see the video.

    Send me the http or www link and I’ll link to it.

  • acat

    Specifically, you proved you cannot read for content earlier today.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It’s how he’s acted as an elected official. And that is anything but conservative.

    But, if you want to discuss what he’s called himself, you’re in a deep hole because he’s laid claim to being a moderate or a progressive a hell of a lot more times than he’s called himself a conservative.

    Actions speak louder than words. After all, virtually every inmate in prison calls themselves innocent.

  • joshdunn

    Got a link for that?

    Calling me a troll doesn’t make me a troll.

    I worked on Bush’s campaigns in 2000 and 2004. Where were you during those campaigns?

  • snowshooze

    Anything?

  • APA Guy

    Of course the left thinks Romney winning the nomination is “inevitable”. They know that Romney is the one person left in the race who can both neutralize Obamacare as an issue (because he put in place his own version and would be a fool to bring it up in the general) and be presented by Obama as a corporate raider…day after day…hour after hour.

    Take your love of all things Romney/Obama and scurry off to deep, dark places where your mode of thought is welcome. TRUE conservatives don’t wish to hand Obama a second term on a silver platter by coronating Romney for the runner-up prize in 2012.

  • joshdunn

    They don’t like him there, either. You guys should get together.

    Perry should stay in the race. I am absolutely for Perry staying in the race. But not because I believe that he will ever get the nomination.

  • acat

    Know how to tell when a politician is lying, joshdunn?

    Its’ lips are moving.

    Mew

  • gekster

    It’s you comments that have done it.

  • APA Guy

    I worked for (insert GOP president here) during the (insert random election year here) campaign(s). Yep…and you’re supporting the most liberal candidate left in the field who just happens to be the most flawed and easily whipped GOP thud.

    If that’s the best deflection you have in the bag, you’d best take that free t-shirt and head on home there sparky.

    Sell crazy someplace else, Joshua…we’re all stocked up here with the Paulbots scurrying about.

  • pttx333

    had an icon for the ugly half of the peace sign. How ’bout you? ;-)

  • acat

    The Dems are very likely stuck with Obama.

    (unfortunate, that means I’ll owe people money)

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    Are you now admitting that you frequent that left-wing nuthouse on a regular basis? You’d kinda have to if what you assert is true (i.e. they don’t like him there).

    Perry SHOULD BE THE CANDIDATE, not just stay in the race. He is easily the most conservative candidate left in the race. Interesting that you failed to make that distinction…but then again, you ARE here pimping Romney…who will get waxed by Obama.

    Sheesh…stop digging before you land in China. They won’t welcome your free speech as much there as we have tolerated here.

  • Scope

    I am laughing my head off with this. According to Ballot Access News the only one to not have his primary petition not under objection, in IL, is Buddy Romer. Even Obama’s petition is under objection, as stated on the IL State Board of Election wesite. LOL Geez, and I thought I had it bad in VA. This is so freakin funny, probably because I’m delerious (sp) over the whole sham called primary season. Hey maybe Buddy Romer will be the next one to shoot to the top as the frontrunner. LOL LOL LOL

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    2: jakeofalltrades: modern Mormons are no more to blame for the unfortunate opinions of their great-great-grandparents than are anybody else’s for theirs*. If we started talking about all religious-themed rationalizations for dubious racial theories we’d be here all day and nobody – and I mean nobody – would be able to avoid having his or her faith singled out for particular scrutiny.

    Moe Lane

    *Including mine: I’m Irish, and you know what those people are like.

  • gekster

    josh is a mole, planted here by Gingrich to get people to dislike Romney.
    Just a little reaserch would have told him it wasn’t nescesary.

  • pttx333

    take on it is that a lot of these people (I use that term loosely) come here all in for Romney, mainly bashing Perry (whom they fear), who aren’t for Romney at all. They merely want him to win the general so that you-know-who will be elected again. Or at least that is a path I see and is coming together for me.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Which is why I was loath to raise it until pushed. Romney is not racist – in fact, quite the opposite, given his statements during the civil rights movement.

  • APA Guy

    Wow…

  • clowngirl

    He was within the margin of error with a month to go — wound up losing by 17 points.

    polls nearly 10 months out really don’t mean anything.

    Lots of people aren’t paying close attention yet — and naturally those who aren’t (and maybe even some that are) will be influenced by the way the media keeps propping Romney up while savagely attacking better candidates.

    Right now Romney’s got the liberal media plus a fair amount of conservative media fighting his battles.

    That would change drastically in a general election.

    Romney hasn’t even really been vetted yet.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    First of all, a wiki is not a generally accepted source.

    Second, you’re relying on the word being used as an adjective. It is not. When used in a political sense, it is a noun just like “Republican” or “Democrat”.

    Third, from an authoritative source, Mirriam-Webster you’ll find this:

    <b.progressive noun

    Definition of <b.PROGRESSIVE
    1a : one that is progressive
    1b : one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action

    1b fits former Governor Romney to a “T”.

    The liberals in Massachusetts fully understand the meaning of the word. It is you josh who is the ignorant fool.

  • gekster

    that would be the Hinz Rule.
    to call for everyone to ignore another poster.

    This ?rule? originates from a diary by RSer David Hinz, where he encouraged us to not ?feed the trolls.? When someone invokes the Hinz Rule, it says ?OK, folks, that?s enough, let?s not encourage this troll-like person to continue?. But what?s a troll, you ask? ?Troll? is a common term used to describe Internet message-board troublemakers.

    And a Kowalowsi, is a Kowalski.
    That is a reply to your own comment, as if to add to the original comment.
    so named for the poster Kowalski, who always replies to himself, hence the term.

  • APA Guy

    I’m beginning to think No Longer for Perry and joshdunn are the same troll. He’s even singing songs about working in the 2000/2004 Bush campaigns and transforming progressive to mean a “conservative progressive”.

    They usually aren’t this obvious, but I do believe we have weeded out a plant.

  • snowshooze

    Gee.. I was closer than I thought when I suggested that Romney should run against Obama…as a Democrat.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’m not calling you names josh, I’m simply pointing out that you are a jackass, and an ignorant one at that. And, as far as “reading” and “use[ing] the internet”, that’s up in the air.

    As I noted below, you don’t know the difference between an adjective and a noun. You also don’t understand that wikis are not generally accepted sources for facts. Those two things alone call into question anything you say.

    Now then, just for grins, answer the charge that, in context, and concurrent with the appropriate definition of “progressive”, Romney calls himself a “progressive” and, in fact, went on to govern like one.

  • lineholder

    Moe got him below.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Some of us were having fun. :-(

    Oh well, I sure a Paultard will replace him. :-)

  • acat

    For a change, we’re early enough that we may actually make a difference .. but likely we won’t.

    I’m not surprised Buddy Roemer isn’t challenged…. after all, who’d benefit?

    Illinois politics. Laugh or cry, doesn’t matter, it’s still gonna be crazy.

    Mew

    p.s. Remember that Obama started his political career by getting his challengers knocked off the ticket .. by going after their petitions. I recall seeing petition gatherers “working the train stations”, i.e. standing around a Chicago train station and asking suburban commuters to sign…. Guess it’s easier than working the graveyard, at least it’s more or less indoors…

  • APA Guy

    Just too many Dem narratives to be believed as a conservative…though the “progressive means CONSERVATIVE progressive” was an especially nice touch, even for a troll :)

  • jakeofalltrades

    … which was my first clue that he was a moby,

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Oh well.

  • acat

    I may need those barf bags again…

    Mew

  • acat
  • jakeofalltrades

  • acat

    (Cheshire grin)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I think I was typing my comment about the same time you were typing this. Great minds and all that crap.

  • salj

    Romney defends gay rights and he opposes gay marriage.
    Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay; for whatsoever is more than these is of evil.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Just because I believe something shouldn’t be done doesn’t mean I think government should imprison people for it.

  • acat

    There was no way Romney was going to put up good numbers, since he only had the ability to reject judges, he couldn’t actually name the judges ….

    Still, if the Senate Judiciary Committee Dems can come up with the idea of rejecting everybody until they get a loser they like, why couldn’t Willard?

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    We give the left gay marriage, and they stop killing their own babies.

  • snowshooze

    There is a finite number.

  • pttx333

    lurking around to catch him! ;-) I think they have tag teams going or are reincarnating themselves over and over again.

  • acat

    There’s a sucker (erm, liberal) born every minute.

    Mew

  • salj

    Romans 3:23
    Gays shouldn’t be punished for being gay and they shouldn’t be rewarded because they’re gay.According to the Holy Bible the gay lifestyle is a sin.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

    But just saying it doesn’t make is so.

  • snowshooze

    Perhaps a hint.
    For all the good that would have done.

  • ethos

    He was a Paul Tard saboteur!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    My first comment is: Erick might find the ‘mailbag’ letter a ‘cant make this up’ level rant, but I’ve seen worse on many a thread …

    one example “He is against Obamacare. He is against SSM. ”

    Oh the irony!!! SSM comes to Massachusetts under hie tenure AND he passes the state-level prototype to Obamacare … and, according to his own statements, he was satisfied enough with what happened in his state that he quit his job as Gov.

    Phew!!! Liberalism marched forward on his watch. That’s what conservatives fear.

  • supergirl2911

    Nt

  • supergirl2911

    Amd personally I come here to avoid the lsm constant propaganda about romney. The fight is not over SC has not voted and neither has FLA GA or Texas. Perry is in it and God help us if it’s Romney. Romney won’t win.

  • conservativemusician

    When the time comes to support the GOP nominee, I and the vast majority of the posters on this blog will support whoever it may be because we are grown ups here and will do the right thing. However, it is still too early for supporters of Perry or the other non-Romney candidates to consolidate behind Romney.

    Also, all of us here care about beating Obama. so it is insulting for you to imply that we don’t care about beating him because we are not falling in lock step with the media narrative or polling that say Romney is supposedly the only electable candidate we have.

    Most conservatives have major concerns going back to 2008 about Romney’s electability because he is a self-admitted moderate. He cannot escape his record and now he is finally getting called on it.

    Also, the fact that Romney’s first instincts are not conservative as well as the fact that the Dems are salivating over the possibility of facing Romney in the general election should give you pause, so if it’s all the same to you, I’m going to hold off putting Romney signs in my yard until more of the conservative base past FL has their chance to weigh in.

  • carolynr

    The emphasis was on the candidate…not the country. You don’t seem to get this. We have an ultra left president. We have a left center moderate leading in the polls. Where will the middle be?

    Obama Romney Middle Perry Paul
    ^__________^__________^______________^____________^

    I hope this is good enough for you. The point is…if you want to please MOST OF THE PEOPLE…You nominate someone from the Right and the compromise is in the middle or middle right…which is where most of America is…CENTER RIGHT. Santorum is Right on Social Issues..butt on fiscal issues he is middle to left center. Gingrich is middle because of the variance he displays with a myriad of positions. Perry is Right on Social and Fiscal issues.

    So…with you candidate…Romney…we are not even in the middle…but left of center. I will say there is a difference betwen Romney and Obama. Romney is not a student of communism.

  • carolynr

    Of course the man balanced the budget…IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE. He was 47th out of 50 states in job creation. Will jobs bring us out of this recession. Answer…Yes. Your candidate also got very bad marks and an investigation into the debacle…called the Big Dig. Your candidate has won ONLY ONE ELECTION…he lost the rest…and he ran to the left of Kennedy.

    For me…Acat’s remarks concerning unemployment, debt and the budget are not topics that Romney focuses on.

    His record indicates that he does not know how to create an environment for job creation. The debt…he won’t get into entitlements and what needs to be reformed…along with all the other items that need to be cut from the Federal Budget. He’ll submit a budget…but I have a question to ask you:

    Will the lobbyists in DC be former investors in Bain Capital. That should be interesting. I wonder where Romney will spend our money…can anyone say..Big Banks, Wall Street and the very wealthy (on the backs of the Middle Class)

  • avagreen

    ^^
    **
    (-)

  • carolynr

    Christ = Christians….I think we can agree on this…where the word and meaning came from…yes.

    Do Mormons…since you brought up the subject…believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God…or is it Joseph Smith…or Brigham Young..or any of the followers. Are the two aforementioned individuals on par with Jesus?

  • jakeofalltrades

    It was working before…

  • pttx333

    we can ever get rid of the other ones, we’ll be in pretty good shape and back to some sort of normalcy. I got so mad last night I thought I was going to get thrown off RS forever, but went to bed instead. They are paulies – the language is famously familiar. Pigs! But, hallelujah, what a blessed day that at least joshdunn is outta here!

    Sweetie, I read your great post about the RickPerryReport while ago and went over to read it. MAGNIFICENT! Was going to respond but would freeze up every time I tried to log in. ??? Maybe I can go later. Joe really nailed it with his column and pretty much rubber stamped everything we have been discussing here for a long while. I KNOW that we are not wrong, but seeing it in his words was fabulous.

    Thanks for the help you give us – kudos to you!!

  • avagreen

    that’s the same thing I got when I was trying to do the html-thing.

    It looked like it was OK …….on the page……..but when I clicked it, it wasn’t a working link.

    I tried it again this a.m. before i changed it back….
    any ideas?

  • carolynr

    There is a word for people like you…they are called sheeples. They hear something, take it at face value and then repeat it and believe it without investigation.

    Progressives(do not take this to mean getting better or improving). That is what sheeples believe. Their ideology (progressives) are akin to communism. Want to know where it started…go read Woodrow Wilson, what he called himself and how he governed.

    Now…I do happen to agree that Romney is a Progressive…the the manner of Wilson. Everything for the collective….Social Justice.

  • carolynr

    why Grandma…what big eyes you have.

    Romney poses as a Conservative…that’s it…poses.

  • conservativemusician

    n/t

  • jakeofalltrades

    Your HTML itself was correct, then. Test the web address by pasting it into your browser address bar and surfing to it manually.

    <a href=”https://twitter.com/#!/rickperryfacts”>Rick Perry</a> doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    <a href=”http://www.obamaclock.org”>Countdown</a> Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • pttx333

    about it is “Thank God and Greyhound, he’s gone!” He has been on here stalking, insulting others and spewing garbage for a good while, but they finally zapped him. Be careful, though, friend, there are others left here who are of the same ilk. You can pretty much tell one by how there will be a LOT of push-back to them by the regulars here. Not always, but typically.

    Good luck! It’s okay – there is no need to apologize.

  • avagreen

    this is what I’ve run into before. It looks good (when I did it), but the link doesn’t work.

    I’ve noticed that sometimes on other people’s links that usually work, but once in a while it doesn’t (Error 404). so, there’s some little jot or tittle that’s getting messed up. For the life of me I can’t find it.

    I’ll try yours again to see what comes up…….just a min…….

  • jakeofalltrades

    Rick Perry doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • avagreen

    Error 404 – Not Found :(

  • avagreen

    Sorry, that page doesn?t exist!

  • jakeofalltrades

    Let’s try it again:

    Your HTML itself was correct, then. Test the web address by pasting it into your browser address bar and surfing to it manually.

    Rick Perry doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Rick Perry doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • avagreen

    ****

  • jakeofalltrades

    One last test to see how crazy this is:

    Test

  • jakeofalltrades

    Does this link work? Click here. I can’t test twitter at work because I have it blocked on our corporate firewall (yes, I’m mean), and I don’t wanna unblock it.

    Here’s another link: to the ObamaClock.

  • avagreen

    ??

  • jakeofalltrades

    Try this:

    <a href=?http://twitter.com/rickperryfacts? target=”_blank”>Rick Perry</a> doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    <a href=?http://www.obamaclock.org? target=”_blank”>Countdown</a> Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • avagreen

    No. it didn’t, but your links did. Both of them.
    WTH?

  • avagreen

    You’re right, avagreen – it’s impossible.
    jakeofalltrades Tuesday, January 17th at 2:34PM EST (link)

    One last test to see how crazy this is:

    Test

  • jakeofalltrades

    Test 1 – with blank target

    Rick Perry doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

    Test 2 – no blank target

    Rick Perry doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • jakeofalltrades

    there’s nothing you can do, sorry.

  • avagreen

    jakeofalltrades Tuesday, January 17th at 2:41PM EST (link)

    Does this link work? Click here. I can?t test twitter at work because I have it blocked on our corporate firewall (yes, I?m mean), and I don?t wanna unblock it.

    Here?s another link: to the ObamaClock.

  • jakeofalltrades

    When I send you the code to paste into your email, Redstate changes the quotation marks to a fancy special character so it looks cool. You need to delete the double-quotation characters in the below message and re-type them before you paste, cool?

    <a href=”http://twitter.com/rickperryfacts” target=”_blank”>Rick Perry</a> doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    <a href=”http://www.obamaclock.org” target=”_blank”>Countdown</a> Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • avagreen

    I know that’s a hard thing to explain in a written note……..just tell me the word before and after the quotes.

    I so appreciate your patience, here, but if you’re like me………..you get a challenge and you just don’t give up. ;)

  • jakeofalltrades

    <a href="http://twitter.com/rickperryfacts" target="_blank">Rick Perry</a> doesn?t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.

    Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

    <a href="http://www.obamaclock.org" target="_blank">Countdown</a> Until Obama Leaves Office.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I tricked wordpress into not screwing it up!

  • avagreen

    You are the man!!!

  • jakeofalltrades

    I used HTML entities, which WordPress isn’t looking for in the hope of mangling.

  • avagreen

    and people reading.

    You can read HTML and it’s entities.

    Again, *bleeeek*
    I admire savy men like you, Savy and smart AND patient. I surely hope your wife appreciates you, and if you’re not married……then the one who is lucky to win you!!!

    I liked the hannibal pic, too, when Ray Liotta got his lid lifted…….but…….still “bleeeeeek*