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The Horserace for January 19, 2012

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  January 19th, 2012 at 02:55 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

It changed so suddenly. Huntsman out Monday. Today, Rick Perry is out.

Huntsman, barely a factor in South Carolina, threw his support to Mitt Romney. Rick Perry, more of a factor, threw his support to Gingrich. The Monday debate in South Carolina is a critical detail. Polling before it showed a Romney lead. Polling after it showed a Gingrich surge.

Then Sarah Palin endorsed Newt Gingrich.

Then news broke that Rick Santorum, not Mitt Romney, really won Iowa.

Then Rick Perry dropped out and endorsed Newt Gingrich.

Tonight, at 8pm ET, there is a CNN debate.

Then Saturday, the voters vote.

And behind scenes there is a quiet operation — an operation designed to get Ron Paul the nomination in a fractured field. All the week’s events play right into Dr. Paul’s plan that few even see coming.

We’ll get into it all in the Horserace.

Newt Gingrich

 

Gingrich heads into Saturday riding a huge wave of momentum. The Second Mrs. Gingrich could potentially spoil it with her interview on the warpath, but the Gingrich daughters responded quickly and could lessen the blow.

In fact, while her side of the story is seedy and hostile, it is an open question if Americans will have any sympathy for a woman who herself destroyed Gingrich’s first marriage. She’s no puritan here and Gingrich’s children seem willing to fully defend him.

Gingrich also has Sarah Palin and Rick Perry. So tonight all eyes will be on him as he comes under a withering attack from Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul. He is tonight’s real frontrunner in South Carolina.

Ron Paul

 

A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

If the field stays fractured at this level, with only a few people, but each getting delegates enough to prevent the front runner from an outright majority, there will be a second vote at the Republican National Convention.

Delegates are only locked in for their candidate during the first vote. After the first vote, they can vote for whoever they want. So if Mitt Romney is unable to clear an outright majority on the first ballot, suddenly he could see some of his delegates turn on him — turn and go back to Ron Paul.

It is an ingenious strategy premised on a convention where no one gets majority support early. It plays well to a primary calendar where the delegates are first awarded proportionally. Who knows if it is a campaign strategy or just his volunteers, but the Paul campaign has been active now for four years trying to take over local parties.

It may pay off if the GOP doesn’t unite around a candidate soon.

Mitt Romney

 

It remains Mitt Romney’s race to lose. Romney is nationally still the front runner. He remains the pick of the establishment and the Washington GOP crowd. He has the money and the ballot access the others don’t.

But the GOP will go vote for Romney holding their nose. They may start settling, but they do not like him. And now we know that not only did he get less votes in 2012 in Iowa than he did in 2008, he also lost yet another election.

Each day this race drags on the veneer of electability wears off and he has to start answering questions that involve phrases like “Cayman Islands” and “Swiss bank account.” No more man of the people.

Rick Santorum

He should be the next to drop out. The rallying of evangelicals in Texas did him no good. Gingrich leads him among evangelicals 2 to 1 and is trouncing him in South Carolina. He may have won Iowa, but his remaining in the race, like Perry before him, now helps Mitt Romney.

Look for Mitt Romney to start throwing bones to Santorum in the debate and on the campaign trail.

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  • clintonformccain

    So much for “family values”.

  • kinghenry

    I will be changing party registration to a newly formed conservative, true Liberty oriented party the next day.

    The entire goal of the Paul campaign, by his inner circle of whackos, is to Destroy the Party of Lincoln. They hate conservatives and they hate the Party of Lincoln.

    They openly talk about it at LewRockwell.com.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Certainly not from this diary. Maybe you need to take a break. It’s obvious you’re still bitter about stuff from a couple of decades ago.

  • snowshooze

    In that, it did not disappoint.
    Does this appear to be headed toward a brokered convention?
    I still fear thet, but taking a look at what we now have to choose from…not so much.

  • gladtidings

    “In fact, while her side of the story is seedy and hostile, it is an open question if Americans will have any sympathy for a woman who herself destroyed Gingrich?s first marriage. She?s no puritan here and Gingrich?s children seem willing to fully defend him.”

    Did you even read the diary?

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    Anyone who thinks the gold standard is even a remotely viable option has no business running our country (or economy). I expect that kind of garbage from Paul, but Newt lost me with this one.

  • OCBill

    Or, as clinton might call it, the “clean chin” doctrine. Marianne Gingrich is just bitter that the man she “won” by breaking up his marriage with a cancer victim later left her for someone else. It’s easy to understand her being bitter, losing the man she stole to someone who was younger, smarter, and better looking. But being bitter doesn’t help. Let it go, Marianne, let it go.

  • kinghenry

    he went on Fox and said Paul is the most important candidate running and ‘we’ as a party are moving towards Paul.

    Its disgraceful, this may be the year the GOP dies as a party and the USA goes Marxist as a result.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Just not our fiat.

  • Hooah_Mac

    No one worth voting for left running for President. We have to work on the Senate and pray that one of the remaining clowns can beat Obama.

    With Rick Perry out, I have to switch my support to Romney, and that is sad, but we need executive experience, and no other Governor is running.

  • gladtidings

    Excuse me? In South Carolina? Perry was polling worse than Huntsman before Huntsman dropped out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

    The fact that Perry couldn’t even generate excitement in a conservative bastion like South Carolina tells a lot about why he was the wrong man at the wrong time.

  • tngal

    is to get Ron Paul to date Newt’s ex wife. Since few people listen to paul, then few would listen to her. She could then endorse Paul – whom few are voting for and then,- well its complicated. The conspiracy has to be thought all the way through. We just can’t rush into a conspiracy.

  • kinghenry

    and only attacks Newt/Santorum and previously Cain/Bachmann…the conservative candidates.

    He wants Mitt to be the nominee, he wants it to be a 1-1 race between he and Romney so he can spend months campaigning claiming to be the “True Conservative” vs. Romney, at which point he will attack Romney.

    We need Newt to win SC to keep him in the race as long as possible to thwart this.

    Its also well past time that we had a funded, sustained Attack Machine go after Paul and shame his sane supporters away from him. It should be easy to do, though takes effort and funding.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    How is that an attack? She was in fact the “other woman” in the first marriage. Even the kids are sticking with dad. If it was as bad as people are making it out to be I can’t see them sticking with him.

    Quite honestly, unless she has information about an underage boy or girl, the rest is already factored in. She’s going to say a bunch of horrible things about him that he did to her during/after the marriage. People that are supporting him will just write it off as a bitter ex-wife. People that aren’t supporting him will eat up every word. I just don’t see how it changes anything.

  • Common_Cents

    It’d be helpul if a Jindal or Forbes etc… came out and endorsed Gingrich Friday. Hopefully Gingrich has a few lined up for Friday to break up the ex wife news cycle.

  • texastory63

    Perry, the only native southerner leaves the race on Robert E. Lee’s birthday.
    Coincidence? Probably.

  • jswolter

    …and completely agree with ‘Twister. Even your quote doesn’t amount to an attack on the ex-wife. Gingrich’s children are defending him, not attacking her.

    clintonformccain is just constantly on the lookout for a chance to bash Newt. There’s little to no substance in the comment.

  • clintonformccain

    The election of Barack Hussein Obama.

    I’d like for the Republicans to do something about it by sending him packing in November. So, I’m not that that thrilled with the fact that the primary battle seems to be heavily populated joke candidacies, unqualified candidates, book tours, and a distinct shortage of credible, experienced, baggage-free, serious Presidential contenders.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Actually, we had someone close to that in the beginning. Good message, good record. Unfortunately, people wanted someone to beat up on Romney and they just dismissed him because he wouldn’t.

    Oh well.

  • clintonformccain

    Might as well have the man from Mars, Ron Paul. carrying on a torrid public affair with Newt’s ex-wife. It couldn’t turn this primary battle into any more of circus than it already is. And, silly me, I was hoping for two or three really serious, attractive candidates duking it out so end up up with a really strong contender to take down Obama.

  • jswolter

    Tidings, Huntsman was better in one poll while Perry had him beat in the last10+. Use your own source for verification.

  • sethellis

    There are no excuses now. Conservatives get their not Romney, all the laundry is on the floor, and everyone had been given a fair chance. There are no more questionable outcomes or what if scenarios. The people will choose, and that’s all there is to it.

    So don’t start trying to make excuses for Gingrich. It doesn’t matter if the woman is just bitter. It doesn’t change facts. What happened happened. He and he alone must answer to it. It’s then up to the voters to decide if it is still indicative of his character, and if it should disqualify him for president.

  • clintonformccain

    Then, it is in a pretty bad mess and better start figuring out what to do to address that problem. The field, right now, looks like a freak show to this independent.

    I’m no fan of Mitt Romney. But dayum….. Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich? Really? That’s the best the party can come up with? Really? It’s a freak show.

  • Wubbies World

    It seems that all the way back to 1995 Marianne Gingrich had it in mind to do just what she did with ABC News and her interview!

    It is written by Matt Lewis. it’s very revealing.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/19/marianne-gingrich-in-95-i-don%E2%80%99t-want-him-to-be-president-and-i-don%E2%80%99t-think-he-should-be%E2%80%9D/

    Quote: “In 1995, when Vanity Fair magazine asked Marianne what would happen if Newt ran for president, she boasted she could derail the bid with a single TV interview.

    ?He can?t do it without me,? she said. ?I told him if I?m not in agreement, fine, it?s easy. I just go on the air the next day, and I undermine everything . . . I don?t want him to be president, and I don?t think he should be.?”

  • jgge

    the liberal from Massachusetts who fit every aspect of the class warfare that Obama is planning to run as his sole strategy for re-election.

  • jgge

    that the stupid debating skills are the most important factor for someone to become President and damn the good governing record. You fools deserve Obama.

  • jgge

    ….

  • carolina

    I knew about the first round plan.
    I hadn’t heard about the second round plan.
    With delegates and stealth delegates…… the Paul campaign could be a major player in this convention.

  • conservativemusician

    I think the time has come for you to go on record in a diary as you did with Perry and officially request Santorum to get out of the race.

    I don’t care if he won IA as I’m sure he will bring up at every possible opportunity. Whatever momentum he briefly had is long gone, so I think it is only fair now that Perry is gone that he also be forced to face the reality that he is not going to be the nominee. There is no reason for him to remain as Gingrich now is our last viable non-Romney alternative.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Tim Pawlenty. Ah, what could’ve been.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    So have his daughters. There’s nothing new going to come out of this interview. If you like him, you’ll ignore it. If you don’t, you’ll eat every word. This is old news.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I’ll give them that: the people get exactly what they want.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    JFK, FDR, LBJ – adulterers.
    US Grant – alcoholic
    Cleveland – fathered illegitimate child. Married his mistress when he was in the White House.
    Reagan – divorced
    GW Bush – DUIs
    Obama – drug use. pals with terrorists (Ayers)
    Clinton – sexual harrasser as Gov, adulterer who used/misused state troopers for his trysts
    Nixon – hounded from office by scandal
    Ford – wife was on drugs and booze so bad she founded a clinic to cure it
    Harding had many rumors /scandals around him.
    Ike – Cheated on wife.
    Lincoln – Had a crazy wife. Seriously, she was crazy.

    Carter – Boring guy, no personal failings. WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Until Obama.

    “That?s the best the party can come up with? Really? It?s a freak show.”

    REALLY!?!? Check your history.

    No baggage free Presidents.

  • Finrod

    Getting 51 isn’t good enough for us this election in the Senate. Every President in the last 100+ years, except for W (9/11) and FDR (Great Depression) lost Senate seats in their first mid-term election.

    So we really need to shoot for 54 or 55 Senate seats so we can keep 51 in 2014.

  • tailfins1959

    Everybody except abusive people have something to contribute. For example, let’s say Al Sharpton leads a march against a slumlord. Obviously Al Sharpton’s policies would make us into a third world country. If a conservative were to show up just to network and there was later a bill to stop roadblocks (aka “Sobriety Checkpoints” aka “Driving While Black Checkpoints”). You could very well get help from them passing a roadblock reform bill. They could also be helpful in defense of marriage ballot initiatives. In spite of every other word out of their mouth being a Democrat talking point, those people can still be open to contribute SOMETHING to the conservative cause.

    I have a friend that is militantly opposed to the death penalty, but seems open to the premise of limited government. I’m stumped on what to say to get past that deal killer against him voting Republican.

    If no one works to penetrate shifting demographics, the math adds up to conservatism being an ever shrinking minority.

  • kinghenry

    MSM will go into overdrive with his Newsletters and everything related to them to smear us all.

  • Finrod

    Let Santorum have his go in South Carolina and maybe Florida. If he comes in dead last in both then he should be seeing the writing on the wall that he can’t make it to Super Tuesday.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Cayman Islands and “1%”.

    Run the ads 24/7, accuse Republicans of wanting to screw the regular folks to benefit ‘the rich’.

    Romney has been pathetic in his response to the allegations.

    Pathetic. If he doesnt toughen up on it, might as well put Gingrich forward.

  • Hooah_Mac

    My goal is 41 conservatives – although that may not be possible. With 41 actual conservatives, we can put a brake on most of the nonsense. We’ve had 50something Republicans and it hurt the country almost more than 50something Democrats, because the “moderate” Republicans talk a good game for election and then go along to get along.

  • fightnright

    I can’t help remembering that Marianne’s strategy of being honest to the American voter about her adultering husband is what I thought Elizabeth Edwards might have honorably done to inform the electorate about her own cheating rat. Both these women were aware before a Presidential election that they had married a man who could not honor a sacred vow.

    ps – I feel for any Republican pundit who opined on the record that Cain should get out of the race because of unproven (AFAIK) ‘indiscretions’, who today says that she or he is supporting Gingrich.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    and Ron Paul is the closest thing to a small government candidate we have, and he would be a bad president on national security. I like Newts debating and style, but if he cannot talk about the tenth amendment at tonight?s debate, he is just a joke. Romney will likely be the nominee, but the media got what they wanted, more primary time, and more hits.

  • trickamsterdam

    They’re legitimate bridges between the Tea Party and the Establishment. The candidate at a brokered convention will need to be able to unite conservatives and centrists, and convince people he or she is electable.

    Those two I named do that, and there are others.

    Note: That thing about Paul and the delegates in the Diary was a little creepy though. People underestimate Paul’s mind. He has the nutty qualities of a lot of libertarians, but his organization (e.g., getting on the ballot in VA) shows he has an understanding of strategy.

    Perhaps he actually could connive to be VP? Unlikely. Anyway, to me it’s still worth the risk if the top of the ticket is vastly improved.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    and there is no telling what is going to happen, it?s clear to me that the media picks our winners and losers, and the media would love to see Newt win, so Obama wins, or at least Newt leaves Romney all bloody, and that means we have a liberal Supreme Court, this is grave, indeed.

  • gladtidings

    Romney can beat Obama in at least 30 states. Santorum cannot even beat Obama in his home state.

    Newt has no credibility on the 10th amendment because he supported cap-and-trade. Cap-and-trade takes rights away from states and gives them to the federal government.

    Newt made some great calls as House speaker, but he also capitulated to Clinton at key times. Sometimes, I think that Newt’s greatest moment was leading the impeachment proceedings against Clinton even though he knew that it would cost him his speakership. That is both a testament to Newt’s courage and an explanation as to why I cannot support his candidacy. Newt made too many bad decisions in life to be trusted with the power of the presidency.

    If he gets in (which he won’t), he will embarrass us more than Clinton embarrassed democrats in the 90′s.

    We can’t have Newt.

    I will accept Romney and only Romney at this point.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    he is still wrong, but he has it.

  • Addison

    Romney is the candidate that Obama’s team has prepared to run against. His team would be happier with some of the other candidates. Obama himself probably has no strong opinion, he’s paying others to have opinions on that and it’s pointless for him to invest much mental energy in that process at this point.

  • gladtidings

    Obama can read polls. The polls all say that he beats Gingrich handily and will struggle all year if Romney is the nominee.

    The White House has ignored every Republican candidate but Romney and Perry. The White House figured out very quickly which candidates would cause them the most trouble and worked hard to attack those candidates.

    Are you going to give Obama the opponent he wants (Gingrich or Santorum)? Or the opponent he fears most (Romney)?

  • gladtidings

    That quote is far worse than George Allen calling some idiot “macaca”.

    It doesn’t matter that Marianne didn’t get Gingrich on audiotape. All that matters is that she will say that Gingrich said it and Gingrich can either go off message and fight the allegation or ignore the allegation and thereby tacitly admit it.

    This finishes up Gingrich. He is no longer a viable candidate.

    I’ve already moved on.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    –no-text–

  • conservativemusician

    And he will be in dead last after Saturday as well. Don’t see what the difference is between Santorum’s standing now and Perry’s this morning before he bowed out. Santorum is done and, like Perry, the longer he stays in, the easier it will be for Romney to cruise to the nomination.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and he wouldn’t just be bad on foreign policy. He’d be a disaster.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    And said he agreed with him on the Fed and spending, but not on foreign policy. It’s an important distinction.

  • gipper823

    Really? You think that calling a woman’s side of the story ‘seedy and hostile’ isn’t an attack on her?

    Okaaaaay.

    I’m not denying that her story isn’t seedy and hostile, but those are not neutral words.

  • jimbomcw

    better is what will happen

    He cheated with her on his 1st wife so the many will just say she was an idiot

    Besides, mitten’s great grandfather had 5 wives at the same time. Not a can of worms camp romney wants to open up

  • red_oakster

    Had he stuck around for two or three more weeks, he would have had a great chance to come back in Iowa.

  • jimbomcw

    don’t you?

  • jimbomcw

    the sooner the better

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    And I can’t be the only one. I don’t trust his “conversion” for one reason…he continues to flip flop on policy issues every time he realizes a different answer is more politically expedient (see: when life begins). Like Romney, I have no idea what he’d do as president and his past history of proposing big government solutions for pet projects makes him a Washington insider Statist. A Statist I can’t take at his word.

    Obama and the hypocritical Left will rip him to shreds. FTW.

    I’m switching to Team Santorum, realizing that he has some of the same big government tendencies, but at least I know what I’m getting.

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt

  • buddyp

    Can someone please tell me why it isn’t at least a bit lame for Gingrich to hide behind his daughters to defend against Marianne’s charges and criticisms? They are NOT daughters of Marianne, but rather of his first wife, so it’s not like they are sources arguably with allegiance to both Newt and Marianne, as is relevant with regard to criticisms surrounding his first divorce.

    If Marianne’s comments are something the campaign thinks is worthy of a response, then why have his daughters respond?

    If the campaign does think a response is in order, why use the daughters? Yes, I know why it could be politically advantageous — in the broader sense, he’s being charged with lacking “family values”, so in effect, his daughters defending him indicates that his daughters love him so it may mitigate the damage to perceptions of him in that more broadly-defined category (as opposed to the more narrowly-defined matter of honoring marriage vows).

    But isn’t it cowardly and lame to use them in this way, even assuming (as I would guess) that they are eager to help and probably want to do it?

    Again, they have no connection to Marianne that would seem to justify their involvement as arguably neutral parties, as in the case of the first divorce. And even if he has been a loving father who is loved by his daughters, that doesn’t have much bearing on the validity or strength of charges and criticisms that Marianne puts forth regarding Newt as a husband to her.

    By all means, someone point out what I may be missing. Otherwise I say Newt should man up and either generate no response or respond himself or via his campaign, rather than using his daughters in this way as cover.

  • conservnca

    she were the other woman it’s not her character under the microscope. It’s his. She’s not running for President, but he is.We Americans won’t need to trust her decisions but we will need to trust his decision making ability.

  • red_oakster

    Gingrich and Santorum may be able to stop Romney, but neither has much chance of winning enough delegates for a first ballot victory.

    Ryan is the obvious choice if there is a brokered convention, though Jindal and Jeb Bush will get a look.

  • pttx333

    think in that direction. With all of the proof that you have seen about Paul right here on RS, how can you believe he is small govt.? He is an isolationist, anti-Semite, pacifist, terror sympathizing lunatic – and I’m being kind!

    Please get over your grief and reconsider … please.

    P.S. I base terror sympathizing on this: if you don’t condemn something, you condone it.

  • dimondintherough

    I made a bunch of calls into SC on behalf of the Newt campaign today and found no lost support and had two conservative women tell me they thought there was no story – they already knew Newt was not a perfect human being! Small sample, but noteworthy and predictive….I hope

  • gladtidings

    Is it possible to love someone and hate him at the same time?

    Geez. Now I sound like Marianne.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I wanted Pawlenty. I thought he was the best mix of great American, experience Governor, solid family man, etc. His quiet confidence was just what we needed. I really think he would’ve beaten Obama in a walk.

    Unfortunately, Republicans didn’t want that, so we have what’s left. I stayed on the sidelines for a long time before settling on Newt. The main reason? I think he’s the only one that can stand up to the ridiculous media scrutiny that’s coming can make it a race against Obama.

  • gladtidings

    Since gold has intrinsic value as a precious metal, I don’t see how it can be called “fiat money”. I’ve never heard it described that way.

  • gladtidings

    We can pick up 6 seats in the senate this year. Nebraska, North Dakota, Virginia, Florida, Missouri, and Ohio should all be picked up.

    Did I miss any?

  • gladtidings

    nt

  • red_oakster

    If by the end of Florida Romney only has a small number of delegates, he will have to fight a multi-front war. Having several opponents to contend with will make it more difficult to wrap up this contest.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Under fiat money, gold’s price floats in the marketplace according to the law of supply and demand.

    Under the gold standard, government bureaucrats control the price of gold. Remember FDR?

    Fiat money is the free market option.

  • gladtidings

    Maybe to EE and a handful of his friends he was.

  • bdirks

    For the sake of argument, let’s agree that Newt was well within his rights to trade his 2nd wife in for a newer model.

    But that’s not the issue here. The issue is why didn’t he just divorce her when he knew his vows were no longer relevant? Why did he carry on a six year affair and take his mistress into their home on a nightly basis? Why did he say they could stay married but she had to share him with the mistress?

    The reason is because Newt was too much of a coward to settle up with Marianne and tell her the truth. He knew going public about Callista, who he met when she was a low level 20-something Hill staffer and he was 2nd in line to the Presidency would be damaging to his political career, and he wanted to avoid it. In fact, he’s a smart guy, he probably saw this exact scenario unfolding long ago. He didn’t want to discipline himself and make it stop, or make a tough decision that would affect his political standing, so he tried to two-time her for as long as he could. Real courage there.

  • gladtidings

    It’s foolish to endorse a candidate right after his second wife takes the airwaves to accuse him of asking her to share him with his mistress.

    Gingrich is taking on water right now. He needs a bailout more than AIG ever did.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    He backed a committee to study it.

    Naturally that committee will do the math and say it’s impossible.

  • gladtidings

    I like economics much better than politics.

  • kenchely

    All the people seizing so gleefully on the story of Newt’s divorces are the ones who told us “it’s just sex; everybody does it” when the one doing it was a Democrat. Folks, you guys set the standard in 1998-99. You won with that slogan. Now you’d better just eat that slogan, because there are plenty of video clips of your liberal heroes saying that. MOVE ON!!! (Isn’t the chief leftie radical organization named for that slogan of Clinton days?)

  • Michael Dugas

    So what are you the moral compass of the country able to gleen from every word she says what is the truth? Your right when you say it’s up to the people of course it’s obvious you have already made a decision.

  • pttx333

    ,

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’d just looked that up myself and you’re right.

  • thinkfirst1

    Pat Robertson tried to game the system and take over a bunch of State Party organizations nationally – they were caught at it and rebuffed – I found myself in the middle of that in NH back in the 80′s.

    Ron Paul supporters have been trying to take over GOP organizations and local Tea Party groups for years, occasionally successfully, generally only temporarily.

    My guess is that he has no chance to pack the Convention with 50% + 1 so after two or three or five votes the delegates may start to look elsewhere for a unifying nominee – and that could be Perry – then “tanned, rested, and ready”.

    A conservative can dream …

  • gladtidings

    All this gold standard stuff reminds me that its that time of year when I normally begin teaching U.S. history.

    I haven’t gotten a call from the school yet. It’s probably better that I don’t jump into it. I’ve got enough work on my plate as it is.

  • cbartlett

    I think Obama has been gearing up for more than a year to go up against Romney. Hence – the class warfare mantra they’ve been pushing so hard. Ronmey comes across as a rich elitist already – just think how much worse it’ll be when the Democrat machine and the liberal media gets in the game too. At least Gingrich can eat Obama up in a debate – maybe Newt will at least stand a chance in November. This underhanded Ron Paul manipulation of the system concerns me. The GOP leadership better wake up.

  • Common_Cents

    He now won IA, and will claim that matters now, he has a few bucks to spend, and felt he hasn’t been taken seriously. He’ll now get more debate time.

    He should drop after SC where he’ll probably come in last or barely beat Ron Paul who basically dropped out of SC. I have a feeling Santorum will drop sometime in FL.

    He is also hesitating releasing his taxes. He says he does his own and they aren’t sexy. I’m sure he wants a CPA to look at them, LOL.

    I think Gingrich will pick up Santorum support that might not be reflected in polls, especially after tonight.

  • lineholder

    When I saw that “Romney is a Conservative” stuff earlier, I knew I smelled joshdunn.

  • Hooah_Mac

    Earlier today on on FaceBook -
    “I don’t plan to endorse anyone else in the primary, I look forward to supporting the nominee. America can’t afford 4 more years of Barack Obama.”

  • cwfoster

    I implicitly trust Newt Gingrich to consistently and reliably make better decisions than Barrack Obama. I could almost say the same for Romney, if he had ever, even for a moment expressed the first inkling of a scintilla of a hint that he made a mistake with Romneycare, or hadn’t edited later editions of his book to eliminate a line where he said it should be a model for the rest of the country. Or if Romney’s supporters hadn’t said four short years ago that Romney would destroy this country (McCain) or that his major backers, the GOP Establishment weren’t the people who foisted John “never met a compromise I didn’t jump on” Boehner on the House of Representatives. If you ignore those… yeah Romney looks as good or better than Gingrich!

  • jlsankot

    with your first sentence. However, I can not agree with your second: No one deserves 0. I don’t care how uninformed, illinformed, or idiotic they are…no one deserves 0!

  • becky5

    turn the entire Republican primary into an extended version of the Jerry Springer show. No wonder the best candidates sit it out. The left is loving all this.

  • gswank

    Romney has never been a conservative, he is and always has been a liberal leftie. Santorum is a traitor, he has signed every gun control bill to cross his desk, That alone is a violation of his oath of office, not only that it makes him a traitor. Paul is just a senile winer whose ideas would put us in a very dangerous position. Newt is the only one left who can and will fix our country.

  • thosjefferson

    Fun to have Newt rebound. Every time he rises he falls further.

    Santorum and Romney are the good guys, both of them having strong conservative principles and records, both personally and publicly. But they’re too “boring” for the Republican primary electorate (not to mention they don’t generate ratings for the media, including RedState).

    So for the sake of Rush, Hannity, RedState, etc., let’s hope Newt continues to throw some bombs and cause havoc.

    Even if it means ruining the conservative movement and pushing decent Americans toward Obama.

  • pttx333

    familiar to me, If I told you just what I think of him, I would be banned from RS forever … maybe even the entire internet! ;-)

    I cannot imagine how whatever passes for a brain works for him!

    Thanks for watching, Neil. He’s a really, really nasty one! I had looked up his profile – a bazillions posts just for today, nothing earlier. People who register with a pure heart don’t just jump in and start out with a lot of crap … typically, any comments are made in shyness and are restrained. You have to feel your way as you go when you’re truly a new person.

    THANK GOD AND GREYHOUND …. AND NEIL!!! HOORAY!

  • jakeofalltrades

    [shudders]

  • pttx333

    paid some really handsome $$$ for his hatchet jobs. There was absolutely no reason for him to come back here otherwise. That is just me, though.

  • jakeofalltrades

    oi.

  • tokenleftyfromnewark

    Let’s not forget, Gingrich is especially strong with older voters, so I think that will give him lots of momentum out of Florida (if he wins SC). And honestly, I think the interview with the wife is the best thing that could happen to his campaign, if he can frame it as “the media is going after me”. (Not saying whether that’s an accurate characterization or not, just that it is a possible one.)

  • lineholder

    all day long, trying to tear down Conservatives in general and Erick in specific. But that “Romney is a Conservative” line…that’s exactly the same line he used when he was here before. Exactly the same.

  • pttx333

    here before. Never did think they would catch him, but finally they did. I’ve pretty much learned to spot them fairly soon, if no immediately. I knew this dude, gladtidings, was josh from my earlier back and forth with him, He is despicable.

    In fact, I’m not sure he is for Romney either. In many ways, I think he has another agenda from a different direction. At any rate, I’m just glad he is gone!

    Thanks, line’!

  • pttx333

    can recognize a duplicate email address and then block it or at least give y’all a heads up? Seems to me that a reincarnation would be the only one doing so. Is it doable with programming? That might catch a lot of the despicable creatures if so.

    Thanks, just a thought here.

  • cwfoster

    You mean the same polls that assured us that McCain was the only prayer the GOP had of beating either Hillery or Obama? The same polls that said Reagan was “too far out there” to POSSIBLY win? Ever consider that numerous of those polls are run by MSN outlets that should be declared fully as communications arms of the DNC and the Obama campaign? Surely we’re not still falling for that s**t again!

  • nativetexan41

    since Perry stepped out of the race. I listened to his speech and have been
    reflecting on what he said, “about no one being perfect, and about forgiveness, that God is a forgiving God. As a Christian I know this to be true, God forgives
    ALL our sins if we ask. We serve an awesome God. I wish things would have turned out differently but it is what it is.
    I will support Newt.

  • ralphdaily

    I wish the choice were better than Mitt or Newt.

  • soljerblue

    the timing of the interview is highly suspect.

    Thing is, Newt has a much thicker skin than many and has been withstanding incoming fire from both sides since the mid-90s. I think he has a much better chance of standing up to the Obama thugocracy and its machinations than Mittens. I don’t expect to see any deer-in-the-headlights imitation from Newt.

  • pj2012

    and my son (27) was for Perry and he’s not happy about Perry leaving the race. We are all in a sense grieving for what might have been with a Perry presidency. Perry did what was best for him right now and who knows what the future may bring for Perry.

    Reagan was defeated in his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 as well as 1976, but then won both the nomination and election in 1980, defeating incumbent Jimmy Carter.

    Perry has agreed to head up that 10th amendment project Newt was talking about on TV earlier today after the endorsement to bring power back to the states. So that’s a good thing and who knows maybe we’ll see a Gingrich/Perry ticket. Although Perry did once say the VP spot wasn’t worth a bucket of spit…. lol… so I don’t know about that.

    But Paul? You can’t be seriously thinking of supporting him?

  • mikeymike143

    anti american nutcase. ron paul makes mitt romney look like ronald reagan

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You obviously don’t read anything posted here but your own comments.

    Paul isn’t bad on “national security”, he’d likely have us in a nuclear war in the middle east. And on domestic policy, he’s just as bad. Been a member of congress for 30 years on and off and has yet to make one allegiance with another member on any of his signature issues.

    I’ve been waiting, you haven’t disappointed me.

  • clintonformccain

    And, plan to stay that way…. I’ll rely on whatever choice I have running against Obama, thank you very much! :)

    There is no longer a political party in the US with any interest in appealing to centrist, fiscally-sane voters, so I vote tactically. Right now, my interests are best served by votng a straight Republican ticket.

  • mikeymike143

    he is going to shock some people in south carolina

  • Hooah_Mac

    I will not support Romney, but I will more than likely vote for him at the caucus.

  • snowshooze

    If he is in the position of strength with the establichment..
    I would think it would be loaded that way.

  • acat

    (null)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    He’ll finish last.

    According to the Daily Caller, linked earlier, over 100 Tea Party groups are rallying for Newt in SC.

    Santorum has been show up for the self-righteous, sanctimonious, big-government guy he’s always been. He did well in Iowa ONLY because he bought Pantaloons off to the tune of a million dollars and they stacked the caucuses. He got his clock cleaned in NH and he’ll get wiped out in SC.

    The Tea Party movement will NOT line up behind another big-government stalking horse and the evangelicals will provide neither people or money. He won’t be able to compete in Florida because he’s got no organization and no money and he’ll be out or a joke by Super Tuesday.

  • arthurmanger17

    The ruling class hysteria
    Ann Coulters latest
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48877

    Coulter; Romney a futurist
    Wow, it’s a long piece in defense of Romney. Who knew that after Hillarycare went down in flames in 1994, (bad Newt bad) that Romney was not deterred, he saw the future and it was socialized medicine which he gave to Massachusetts, (Romneycare) in 2006. This led the way for another futurist, Obama to give the nation Obamacare in 2010. From her wisdom we also lean that during the 90?s speaker Newt almost killed the .com industry and Perry during his long tenure as governor of Texas has brought back the horse and buggy. That both men practically force us to use the quill pen on paper is something I was not aware of. That the constitution was written on paper using a quill pen I was though. But according to Ezra Klein the constitution is old, (over 100 years) and has no meaning today, maybe Coulter might agree. One thing is for sure, she is knocking the conservative stool from under her feet and hanging herself with another new idea, ?Romneyrope?.

    PS; there are reports coming out of Iowa that the results were manipulated to give Romney the win going into the New Hampshire primary. Is this the future of how results will be calculated. Sounds leftist to me.

  • acat

    That is saying something.

    Mew

  • benko

    and Obama driving this country over a cliff at 100 MPH I would propose that you do not have the luxury of worrying about Newt’s marriages/infidelity/sex life.

    To make a point, Christie is not a conservative, but he is certainly authentic, has fortitute, and while far from perfect, would easily beat Obama. Romney is obviously fake i.e. inauthentic and it shows. Newt is obviously authentic (for better or worse) has a track record and has accomplished conservative things. Newt has what it takes and what is needed now.

    Santorum is laughable choice to anyone in the PA area (where I live).

  • daveoconnor

    Loon and nutjob are about all you actually write. Everything else is from somwhere else. You have never answered why you redacted your “Atlanta Rape” post. You are a one-trick pony. Not to mention a troll.

  • sulmak

    since you can get a free new yahoo or google account in about 3 minutes. My guess would be tht checking the IP address would work a little better, though there is no harm in checking both. Many ISPs give people static addresses that never change, and even if it is non-static it usually only changes every few weeks or so, and be similar when it changes. Though no strategy is perfect.

  • adair

    is that 3 — maybe 4 — States are going to decide our candidate. And if it’s a brokered convention that is won by none of these guys, then it’s x-number of delegates foisting that someone else on us.

    This Primary has been better than most because of the many debates. In the past, each MSM outlet would assign a reporter to a candidate, to travel around and report on his town halls and hope for a gotcha moment. After listening to a stump speech 2 or 3 times, the reporter was totally bored and had literally nothing to say.

    If you hadn’t been able to watch the speeches, and didn’t go to the web site, you didn’t really know where the folks stood. We’ve been able to assess these people better. I’ve bounced from Newt to Perry to Newt again, to Santorum to Perry. I like the idea one wag had: Have Newt debate Obama; then let Mitt govern the country.

  • avagreen

    Keeps the unfettered, fettered.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    And if some members are coming out with times he behaved badly, other members can vouch for him overall and point out his overall character.

    It makes sense. Newt cannot give his version anyway, no male ever has won the he said/she said battle. Ever.

  • avagreen

    I was considering looking seriously at him to support.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Retreading is an issue we’ve dealt with a long time. :)

  • avagreen

    (worrying our world is about the crash into the sun) Right now, not later. ;(

  • red_oakster

    I don’t see how he could buy it-even with his capacious Cayman counting house. :)

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    FDR did the OPPOSITE of the gold standard … he made it a crime to own gold, taking us away from the gold == money.

    You have it backwards in general.

    The gold standard is the closest you can get to a common currency that is not govt-dictated. You dont need a govt to have a gold standard. Gold has value, as gold, and so tying money to gold is simply and cant be ‘gamed’ like our current Fed does to the dollar.
    Under the gold standard, the price of money is determined by the price of gold. Gold supply/demand dictates money.

    Under the Fed/central bank standard, government bureaucrats control the price of money. It can be untethered to any objective value.

    Gold’s value will ALWAYS float in the marketplace according to the law of supply and demand, whatever standard you are on. You are perhaps confused, as is common, by treating money as equivalent to value. Its not.

    Tying the dollar to gold is not much different than passing a law fixing the dollar to oil or some other fixed basket. This in no way defines the value of the goods, but the value of the money.

  • renl57

    …the party of family values, not the Dems.

    Didn’t Newt say on more than one occasion that gay marriage will “threaten the sanctity of traditional marriage”?

    Seems to me that open marriages do at least as much to threaten the sanctity of traditional marriage.

    “Family values” should be more than code language for opposing abortion and gay marriage. It ought to include such things as being faithful to your spouse.

  • pttx333

    ways of dealing with them … I particularly love the magic wand that you have available. ;-)

  • buddyp

    The angle is to implicitly (by virtue of having his loving daughters defending him) support the case that he’s an ok family guy in the broader sense — being an ok father mitigating apparently awful stuff he did as a husband.

    I say that’s lame.

    If he wants to send his daughters out to simply talk about what a great father he is, then that’s perfectly fine. But to have them defend him against charges and criticisms of him as a husband from Marianne — with whom Newt’s daughters have no connection comparable to their connection to Newt — is to put them in a position and a role to which they have insufficient relevance.

    Newt is basically hiding behind his daughters in a cowardly fashion. He isn’t saying that the charges and criticisms are unworthy of a response as part of his campaign, but rather sending his daughters out to send an implicit message that he’s an ok dad under the pretext of defending against Marianne’s charges and criticisms.

    Lame. Cowardly. Manipulative.

  • pttx333

    there are other factors that come into play also. joshdunn and his ilk are too wild-eyed to realize that the very words they use are a dead give-away in most instances … their instinctive style, manner in which they post, who they choose to stalk, etc. Just as I’ve learned that just about all of the paulies refer to him as Dr. Paul. Nobody else at RS does that.

    Thanks much for the info.

  • pttx333

    have read it in a couple of places on other sites. Dammitall, can’t trust anyone can we? Well, MOST of the anyones …Perry IS the exception.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Here’s the link if you want to see it. Paul’s supporters are spinning it to be much more than it is. IMHO.

    here

    And thanks…….. :)

  • avagreen

    It’s only fair! And, with much less reason to NOT do so.
    Perry is an honorable man. Has nothing bad in his past. His record speaks for itself, as does Santorum’s.

    Let’s hear it, Erick.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    See my reply to ava down thread. Paul’s supporters are masters at manipulation. I thought DeMint’s comments were very clear and not exactly what Paul is spinning.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Look at the inflation Spain suffered when it stole all the gold in South America.

  • avagreen

    Yep! The reports coming out of Iowa to influence NH sounds about right.

    *shaking head in shame*
    What ARE we coming to as a nation? Or, have we ALREADY became?

    I remember years ago about how the “takeover” of America would happen and vividly remember the phrase that most of America “would be like docile cows happily munching their grass in the meadows” while the nation about them was being taken over.

    Sounds about like we are there now, with all the emphasis upon entertainment, sports, god-like following of celebrities in Hollywood, loss of morals and our culture (when did it become kewl to have humor be so cruel?), killing anyone who “disses” you, watching kids beat each other up on YouTube, kids killing themselves because of the cruel harrassment they are now being subjected to…..because they are “different?!!?

  • ghostship

    How do you go from Rick Perry to Romney?

    Romney is practically no different than Obama in the policies he will support. You might as well vote for Obama in that case as at least the Republicans in the House and Senate will feel some obligation to put up some token resistance.

  • pttx333

    are really, really good at it – the masters.

    Thank you so much for the link and for the whole truth instead of the half-truths that are out there in the wilderness!

  • arthurjake

    Going off of Romney’s picks to be judges while Gov of Mass the courts really wouldnt be any less liberal with him as president.

  • lizzie

    what I heard, and only the realtime time, made me think of a relay race, not just the runners in a 1600 yrad relay passingthe baton, but a more complex long distance relay, like the biathlon.

    I still maintain there is NO way for either Romney or Santorum to beat Obama, but I am not going to repeat the DNC strategies here.

    I do see a path for Gingrich, but admit he has to do better with female voters. I never noticed it was Gingrich leading the charge to impeach Clinton in the late 1990′s – too busy working – and I did think the whole episode made the GOP look vindictive at the time. Iam 59, so if I do not remember that about Gingrich, then I do not think disillusioned fiscal conservatives who used to be dems and/or independents, will carry THAT grudge because somehow everyone had a job and the budget was balanced (huge DoDef cuts helped as did raiding the Social Security lockbox).

    But, as I read this thread, and all the other factors that I have noted since following this ‘rigged game show’ GOP nominating process,

    and with this new concept of Ron Paul’s stealth campaign to have fake Romney delegates,

    it makes sense for Perry to ‘pass the baton or biathlon rifle’ to Gingrich to insure SC and Florida do NOT give Romney unstoppable moment.

    February is just Nevada and Maine caucuses.

    All four on tonite’s debate stage could very well implode in February.

    Probably why Mitch Daniels is giving the GOP SOTU counterpoint.

    And, depending on what sport analogy fits in February, an ace relief pitcher could UN-suspend his campaign.

    Ok, switching from a long distance biathlon relay to baseball may sound odd, but I do not remember the rules about biathlon relays – whether the starter can suddenly be substituted back in for the final leg.

    Just know that being able to cross country ski for 10K and then shoot five bullets, and still be able to sprint the last 2K is why I love biathlon more than watching America turn into a wasteland of lap dog JournOlisters and half the voters not thinking it worth voting.

    For me, Romney is worse than Nixon, who, as I recall, was lucky enough to run against the anti-war left parents of today’s OWS.

    But back then, we still could get jobs.

    just wanted to say hello to ptttx333 and ava’, and scope, et al because I am too sad to even watch this debate tonite. I can wait for the Jon Stewart edition next Monday to see if anyone landed Mitt Fits.

    I just can not bear to watch Ron Paul, who is so very dangerous, domestically and foreign.
    A soveriegn nation with a currency needs a Central Bank. Can not go back one hundred years as if history means nothing.

    We are where we are.

    and, to carolyn, who mentions how Perry stood in pain, for us, and the USA –

    as Perry told DM Reg Kathy Obradovich in an interview that I guess no one watched in Iowa, when he finally did admit his 10-week recovery from back surgery had slowed him down, he quickly said:

    No Excuses. It is what it is.

    Presidential Leadership NO EXCUSES. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

    am going to go back to websites where I can return to critiquing foreign policy. Much easier to focus on Iran than what has become the politics of America.

  • avagreen

    That’s news to me….
    *giggling, falling on the floor, laughing my head off, holding stomach, can’t breathe*

    Hooo….
    *falling on floor again, laughing*

  • avagreen

    What’s the use?

    The idiot pundits can just tell us what we think we heard if we’d been listening……..doesn’t require any thinking at all. Open lid, insert info.

    I’m never watching FOX again. At least I’ve gained that much knowledge from all this. The Fox crew and Roger Ailes can go fish in their own contaminated backswill. Only the ignorant believe them.

  • horizonscanner

    see the carnal dimension of the human animal as worthy of a shrug of the collective shoulder. Attractive, talented, complicated, ego-maniacal personalities, who have the talent to be politicians and legislators, are going to create complications for themselves, and for us.

    We Americans acknowledge in our national culture a get-out-of-jail card called, “Christian Forgiveness.” This, in part, is why we authorized Christmas as a Federal holiday.

    If Jesus is asked to intervene in the cast of a Newt Gingrich who happens to be the world’s best auto mechanic or brain surgeon, would any of us deny him the job of fixing our Corvette or operating on our brain? No, of course not.

    So, whether we use the French approach or the Christian approach, the result is the same: Newt Gingrich, who knows more than anyone on earth how to govern the USA,

  • runner12

    I was listening to Rush today and he was citing a PMSNBC commentator who claimed that the GOP may trot someone else out if Newt wins SC. I put no stock in what anyone on that network says. But the interesting part is that Rush agreed with him.

    It is a long shot, but it is a point to ponder.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Gold Standard statists want to have Barry Obama dictate to us what the price of gold is.

    I, for one, favor a free market.

    It’s just like how FDR that was able to alter the dollar at will under the gold standard, just by dictating a new price.

    I, for one, oppose such power.

    So please, spare me your Fed whining. Fiat dollars are the only true free market dollars.

    I oppose gold price controls. You favor them.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    To everyone else, it’s just another commodity, like lead or food.

    I’m guessing Freedom’s Truth is one of those people who’s been conned into those ads that say There’s Never Been A Better Time To Buy Gold, because Gold is Money and Gold Always Increases In Value.

  • pttx333

    have the advantage of seeing both sides of the fence – both dem and repub.

    I’ve been crying all day, sick to my stomach and an overwhelming malaise that is unusual for me But, consider this, Perry is still going to lead as the Governor of Texas, and he now has had enough exposure all across America to be a huge voice. He plans to carry on with selling his plans for this country, and people will listen now because of this exposure. They may not agree, but they will listen. We haven’t had anyone like him to do so – in fact, I cannot remember any such person ever doing it.

    I cried even harder with carolyn’s post, particularly about him standing in pain for US and for this nation. I can’t even think about it without crying.

    But we will get through it somehow. I will not watch the debate tonight or any other night as far as I can see things now. I can’t stand the blathering, and all I want to do is put the covers over my head and let the world go on by for a while.

    God bless you, hon, and please keep on with your insightful analyses.

  • arthurjake

    Santorum is a strong social conservative but it ends there. As for Romney he doesnt have a conservative bone in his body and one need look no further then his record as Gov. of Mass. to know that.

  • carolynr

    with regard to him running a stealth third party run within the Republican Primary? What say you. Oh…I know it is not officially a third party…I know that…but is Ron Paul Libertarian or Republican

  • maybenexttime

    Pawlenty walked too soon. If he would’ve stayed in after Ames, Pawlenty could’ve reaped a whirlwind of support when Perry began his implosion in November. Unfortunately, the Ames Straw Poll became the focal point of his campaign…which was a big mistake. That Iowa straw poll is meaningless.

    Now Pawlenty just sits and watch the nomination (which very easily could’ve been his) go to a weaker candidate.

  • avagreen

    blank

  • carolynr

    but it is only a hope…but 60 is the magic number

  • carolynr

    nt

  • maybenexttime

    In some ways, an Obama second term would make it easier for a true conservative to get nominated and elected in 2016. The voting public tends to get fatigued with one party after 8 years of continuous occupation in the White House.

    Many Democrats say that Obama’s win in 2008 was only because Bush was a two-term president. Somebody like Obama would’ve been completely unelectable in the 2004 campaign, and wouldn’t have even secured his party’s nomination. A similar template could be applied to conservatives in this election cycle.

    If Romney wins the election, the odds of an intra-party challenge in 2016 would be slim and probably unsuccessful. So, if the GOP really wants a conservative with a great shot at winning the White House, having Obama sneak in for a second term might just help them in the long run.

  • pttx333

    ‘Miz” fits with “Lizzie” better than “Mrz” would – a little play on words here. ;-) I would NEVER wish to insult Lizzie, never in a million years. But he is certainly free to correct me at any point … he would not hurt my feelings in the least bit!

    See ya over at the Rios homestead, ava! Whoopee and Yee Haw!

  • deVere

    Oh yes, 8000% inflation of the currency in a hundred years is a really great result, and anyone who questions how it was done is a loon. LOL

    It’s Ron Paul’s foreign policy that convinces everyone he’s crazy. His skepticism toward the Fed makes him seem sane for a moment or two.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The quantity of currency is comparatively meaningless.

  • trelane

    Mostly. Sure you can find quotes where he proposes government solutions to private sector problems, but that’s just because he throws out so many ideas off the top of his head. Some are bound to be stinkers.

    If you look at his actions in the Reagan era and 90′s though, he absolutely does believe that “Government is not the solution to the problem, Government is the problem.”. It’s why the Bush dynasty hates him.

    Anyway, he is the only one who can stop Mitt now.

  • deVere

    So I will stick with that as a measure of inflation. From $20 per ounce to $1600 per ounce is 8000% inflation. Did I do the math wrong?

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    Are we really going to nominate a man who cheated on two wives, including carrying on a 6 year affair with an employee while he was the Speaker of the House and during the time that he was trying to impeach the President for lying about an affair? Really?

    Just so everyone is clear about the consequences of this: just excorcise the words “family values” from your vocabulary, because the Republican Party will forfeit the right to defend those values or to invoke family values as a justification for ANYTHING, for at least a generation.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And let’s hope he downsizes government to the point where we can deal with “family values” at the state level.

    Frankly, all the “family values” stuff over the last couple of decades hasn’t gotten us – as a country – anything. We’re still murdering 1.5MM babies a year and the SIVVs don’t have a clue how to stop it. Gay rights is a done deal and gay marriage will be too because of actions at the state level.

    The only way we’re going to have the ability to deal with fv issues in the future is to do it at the state level and that requires downsizing the federal government by a lot.

    Gingrich may be the guy who will attack that. Romney and Santorum – and especially Santorum – won’t.

  • greyeagle

    I would not trust anything said or developed on Fox News. They have been pushing Romney as hard as possible. They denigrated Perry on a regular basis. They used to be a conservative website. Now they have moved to the left and are a joke.

  • greyeagle

    Col. Allen West from Florida. He is a true patriot and honorable man. He doesn’t take crap from anyone. We should be so lucky to have him as VP. I could just see Biden or Hillary debating him. He would wipe the floor with either one of them.

  • bluerose75

    FOX is no more to the left except they do not share your personal point of view. They have not pushed Romney you simply wish they would do things your way! Grow up! They give better coverage for the GOP hopefuls then anyone else. Romney gets the same attention in fact he has been wacked pretty good as well. FOX is not there for your personal satisfaction!

  • greyeagle

    Might pick up a couple there or here in Florida. Some of the northern states are losing seats.

  • greyeagle

    Peddling the same garbage on some other websites against Perry.

  • bluerose75

    If I was Obama I would want to face Romney. He inspires no one, he a liberal at best, bought Romneycare to Mass, the precursor for Obamacare, and will get his clocked cleaned by Obama. Only someone ignorant like yourself would turn on the TV and say “Look, Look, Look, the MSM is telling us Obama fears Romney and Romney would be the hardest to beat and be the best chance for the GOP”….what a clueless wonder you are! Anytime someone like you falls for the MSM trap the rest of the country suffers. SEE McCAIN!! Romney has no chance from here to China to beat Obama. There will be NO FIRE in the GOP or conservatives for Romney…we will never get the base out to support him because deep down true conservatives no Romney is no conservative!!

  • greyeagle

    for Newt since Perry dropped out. I am no longer excited about this race and will be glad when it is over.

  • pttx333

    retread and got zapped again. HAHA

    They have a game plan for still bashing Perry. Wonder what it is? Do they still fear him? Smells like it to me!

  • mikeymike143

    and loon and nutjob both describe paul and his paulbot followers,

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Don’t favor the gold standard, but just correcting some mis-statements, in particular the notion that gold standard requires govt, when in fact gold was a form of money going back to nearly prehistory.

    Gold is ‘just another commodity’ and like all commodities it has a value based on supply and demand. Unlike others, its a stable and steady commodity, due the difficulty of extraction and fact that its not consumed. Money is just a form of value-exchange and gold historically had the best features for serving that purpose, including its portability, due to high value/weight. No big govt needed. NO need for a Federal reserve balance sheet like we have today.
    That socialistic nation, the USA pre-1933 managed to do business using it as the money yardstick … we did okay.

    Fiat money is more flexible, but that flexibility can lead to corruption or mistakes, creating either inflation or deflation.

    Your latest silly statement about me is completely off. Bad guess. I don’t invest in gold and dont believe its a good investment now or in general. OTOH, those who did buy gold in recent years have done well, not sure why you would mock that.

    As for the inflation Spain ‘suffered’, it actually made Spain very rich and the most powerful nation for a century or two.

    Your confusion of what ‘fiat money’ actually means is like getting poked in eye with sticks. Stop it. Calling fiat money, the system we have where central bankers based on Govt monopolies set money supply, ‘free market’ is opposite to reality. Govt printing fiat money based on central banking and requiring banks to follow regs to keep the system from not blowing up is NOT free market. Cut it out or learn your facts.

    Real free market money has been studied by David Director Friedman (son of Milton); bank lending based on free markets where they set their own credit limits, with fractional reserve banking in the context of an agreed monetary metric (eg gold/silver standard) has been done, and works. But we wont get there from here, anymore than we would or could abolish the income tax.

    You can get better informed on the matter, By DD Friedman
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa017.html

    I am reminded on reading this that in my view the ideal valeu of exchange in the modern age would be the …
    Joule.

  • trevorb

    imagine that many in the establishment still fear Perry’s message. Many of the republicans are big government too; there’s just not quite as bad as the democrats. Their power is in question and they’re not pleased about it.

  • greyeagle

    A blogger from Phoenix was on the rickperryreport. She said that FOX, Hannity, Beck, Rush and a lot of other conservative media people are something called Clear Channel (little more to the name)(go there and read the report). This radio company is owned by Bain. Big surprise right? Sure no conflict of interest huh?

  • pttx333

    h

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Fiat Money is where the price of every commodity is controlled by the free market.

    Ron Paul and other goldbugs want the prices of select commodities, or even a basket of commodities, to be set by government bureaucrats.

    So again, the Federal Reserve-based money system is the only true free market money system.

    Fiat money is freedom. Gold standard is slavery;.,

  • greyeagle

    Do NOT want a conservative so a concentrated effort with cooperation of the so called conservative media forced out Governor Perry. Ron Paul and Romney supporters constantly trashed Perry on every website they could find. You could tell who was who by the talking points they used. Paul’s folks all tend to use the same things. If the GOP trouts out someone else, and they are a moderate, they are wasting their time.

  • greyeagle

    Santorum is angling for VP pick. Don’t think it will ever happen.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Get yourself educated. Read David Friedman on gold, fiat, fractional banking, and how it relates to free banking. You posted a reply 2 mins after me, so you didnt bother to read it.
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa017.html

    You are talking first and talking past what I am trying to explain. And leave the goldbugs to the side, they are not the issue. I don’t care about gold. I just want you to stop mis-stating the definition of ‘fiat money’.

    Just because commodities are floating in price has NOTHING to do with whether the monetary system is free or not.

    “Fiat money is freedom. Gold standard is slavery;.,”

    Gack.

    Obama could socialize every bank in the nation and we could still have the Chicago mercantile exchange trading commodities. Is that a ‘free market in money’?

    Please. The ignorance is making my eyes bleed.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I have to go vomit.

  • pttx333

    RINOs at work in our last Governor’s election. The crap that Rove, the Bushies, KBH and their surrogates threw out was dirty, filthy politics at its best. Yes, they are every bit as bad – protecting their fiefdoms, nests, power, status quo, etc.

  • trevorb

    but I do remember the 2008 election. We had an even more pathetic groups. This time, we at least had a good one and couple of semi-good ones. Last time… I literally cringed.

  • greyeagle

    Clear Channel Communications and Premier Radio Networks was bought by Bain in 2008 and majority stockholder is Romney. FOX News, Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, Laura and other conservative radio hosts have contracts with these networks. I would say that this has been well thought out since Romney planned to run for President again.

  • daveoconnor

    I knew you’d use the Paul-bot routine. Check my diaries. And I write mine. You’re dishonest. You refuse to own up to posting other’s work which you have edited without disclosing it. You’re not a bot. You’re an ignorant, unimaginative dimwit with about a ten-word vocabulary. When are you going to explain your redacted posts?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It was under the Gold Standard that FDR played shenanigans with money. Under gold we were slaves.

    Under fiat money we’ve had sound money. Under fiat money we’re free of government bureaucrats.

    I support liberty, so I oppose the price control gold standard. Gold is not money. Gold is just another commodity and I believe it should be traded on the free market.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    There’s nothing more valuable than a puppy.

  • ctredstater

    fueled by a few thousand Iowans who decided they really like it if you live in their state for a year and – when the vote comes around you represent the way to send a “message” to America.

    the Presidency is more than a punch card of policy positions. executive experience and electoral success is generally considered helpful in a candidate.

  • ctredstater

    or a second bite at the apple if Newt implodes. Governor Perry is stil, hands down, the best candidate we could have fielded.

    I am in grieving mode.

  • For Newt Or Mitt

    refers Ron Paul as Dr. and I am sure he has before. Does this make him some who must be banned? Below is an example.
    ?
    Posted by?Erick Erickson?(Diary)
    Thursday, January 19th at 2:55PM EST

    “And behind scenes there is a quiet operation ? an operation designed to get Ron Paul the nomination in a fractured field. All the week?s events play right into Dr. Paul?s plan that few …”

    Pttx333, Calling fellow posters Ronulans and Paultards and Paulbots and Trolls only because they don’t agree with you does not further your cause (whatever that is at this point). I am sure you will call me one of those names again just simply for pointing it out. That’s fine. Keep showing your true self. Personally, I have narrowed my choice down to two candidates, so don’t call me Candibot either. Better yet, please stop your name-calling period. It is one of the first rules of this website.

  • ctredstater

    I was touched by his sincerity in this. it heartbreaking, but I root for Governor Perry to do what Erik reported – lead a 10th Amendment based campaign – and line up support for Newt.

    I believe Governor Perry can put rightward pressure on Newt. It is nowhere NEAR the right outcome, but the best one we have now.

  • ctredstater

    I’m never going to buy another of her books. What bothers me most is that I worry she might actually believe the nonsense she has been spouting about the two “conservatives” – Christie and Perry.

    Next think you know she will be pushing Chris Shay for a Cabinet post.

  • ctredstater

    to see this scenario spun out in such detail. I have been thinking about it much of the day.

    the country must be saved – from the guy at 1600 PA Ave – and those guys on stage tonight are not the best we can send to do the job. Governor Perry is. simple as that.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt

  • marktx

    …he might still be in the race tonight.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Real estate is REAL. It even says so in the name. And it never goes down in value because it has INTRINSIC VALUE. Just like gold.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    because “nobody’s making more land”.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And you’re an ignorant fool for spreading it. The in-state tuition plan Texas passed (with only four dissenting votes in the legislature) is a reasonable plan given the problems in Texas and the federal government’s unwillingness to enforce immigration law.

    I live in Arizona and I’m a “use the national guard to round up illegals and bus them back today, and put anti-personnel mines on the border” guy. I would take Perry’s policy in Arizona in a heartbeat. It’s been discussed here ad nauseam and the conventional wisdom is flat wrong.

    Go find another bloggy horse.

  • WillWong

    Interesting that you entioned this….i tried to observe each candidate’s body language when being attacked and Newt’s look really cool under fire. Even when he was visibly angry with John King, you have a sense that it was righteous and controlled indignation.

  • sulmak

    He is right, from people that I have talked to that supported Perry in the surge, and no longer do, that was the point that the left. When, I explained how Texas’s tax structure made it different than doing it on the national level, and that it was only instate illegals, some said “well why didn’t he just say that” while others balked.

  • stumpy

    not as much as Perry, but they still hate him. They have carried Romney’s water until he wins, then bring all hell against him.

    They know Romney will be easier for Obama to defeat and if he should win, he has no desire to really shake up Washington.

    As a conservative, I figure I would cheer Newt 90% of the time and be thinking WT*? 10% of the time. Not great, but still better than Mitt.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    nt.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    I’d say they best case you could make is Santorum and Gingrich would be a wash.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Our problems come from the idea that some elected officials have that the media likes them – or will like them.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Gingrich has a solid record of conservative accomplishment as an elected official. No Republican other than Reagan (including Goldwater) has accomplished more for conservative ideals than Newt. Has run off the rails? Yeah, but at least he has some solid history.

    Santorum has never had a conservative thought or drawn a conservative breath. He’s a 100% big-government shill.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Bill S

    …of The True Conservatives™

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    We validate the moniker “The Stupid Party” darn near every day.

  • marktx

    The only ignorant fool here is you, as you didn’t grasp the point I was making. I’m not arguing the merits of the in state tuition issue. What I’m suggesting is that polls clearly showed that the issue hurt Perry early on in the race. And his comments about “not having a heart” made things worse.

    You really are dense.

  • marktx

    The only ignorant fool here is you, as you didn’t grasp the point I was making. I’m not arguing the merits of the in state tuition issue. What I’m suggesting is that polls clearly showed that the issue hurt Perry early on in the race. And his comments about “not having a heart” made things worse.

    But you were correct about one thing…you can’t fix stupid….but we pray for you anyway.

  • gracie

    This is absolutely sickening!! He acts like he has had nothing to do with ‘bain for a decade!

    I wish this would go viral. Now we know about the black out on Perry for Fox.

    Romney is buying this election!
    Are we goning to let him??

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Tbone

    Look it up.

  • conservative_dan

    we can all hear Allen calling the idiot, “macaca”, in a video. So it DOES matter that Marianne didn’t get Newt on tape. For anyone to assume she is being truthful is just not being fair and open, but instead allowing your already biased opinion to “prove” Newt is a bad guy. If Newt’s daughters can forgive their father, who are any of us not to do the same? All else being said about Gingrich, if you really look at what he accomplished while in government, you have say he is a legitimate candidate for President. And I don’t mean his sitting on the couch with the crazy lady or his completely dropped, so called, ethics violations. I’m talking about what he actually did while in office. That is what he should be judged on.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • gekster

    out of this

    “Had Perry not allowed in state tuition for illegal aliens….
    ?he might still be in the race tonight.”

    I don’t see anything about polls, or Perrys comments.
    Can’t you remember what you post.
    And you are the one calling becker dense?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And, the “heart” is a separate thing from the tuition. The tuition is a good policy. The “heart” thing was stupid.

    Actually, what hurt Perry – aside from getting in about a month or two too soon – was trying to be “nice”. He’s got a reputation as an in-your-face brawler and he hung that up and tried to be nice.

    And that, is why Newt may well take out Romney.

  • marktx

    Try to follow the posts…mbecker vomited all over the thread, attacking me without justification.

    I accept your apology whether you give it or not.

    Adios….

  • marktx

    Are you suggesting that when Perry’s views on in state tuition were exposed by his opponents those views had no effect on his polling numbers ?

  • mikeymike143

    wacko follower of that loon.

  • pttx333

    Just what is your mission here? Don’t you have better things to do? Why does anything about Rick Perry bother you now? He is out, coming home to Texas! You should be HAPPY!

    Who you working for?

  • deVere

    and it is now slowly replacing the US dollar as the world’s favorite reserve currency.

  • gekster

    And I replied to that.

    And becker doesn’t vomit on threads.
    The little trolls and mice he plays with do.
    And yes, I am sorry.
    Sorry we don’t have an IQ test for people to register.
    And they should at least be out of the fifth grade.
    Now give the laptop back to Mommy.

  • gekster

    It’s all he’s got.

  • acat

    He absolutely will run third party.

    There is a problem with the strategy – as described by Erick above – in that Ron might just have picked on the wrong pony.

    Assuming the convention vote doesn’t pick a winner on the first round and the delegates are free to support whomever, it’s not like all of Romney’s delegates will be faithless .. but it is a good thing to keep in mind. Not “How many delegates does Ron Paul have”, but rather “What’s the total of Ron Paul + 33% of Romney?” … assuming Romney is one of the last three on the stage, and is able to win a plurality.

    The second problem is Romney, as we’ve seen, is a stealthy, vindictive, and scorched-earth campaigner. I don’t think Willard is what we need, but I do admire his skills, as one may admire a cobra or a shark. Given all the dirt that’s already come across Red State regarding Ron Paul, I don’t see any reason to believe Romney can’t make him toxic… and I suspect the reason it hasn’t happened is – right now – Ron Paul isn’t hurting Romney.

    Was todays debate another instance where Ron had nothing to say to Willard? When that stops being true, Paul’s done.

    Mew

  • pttx333

    I’m still crying my eyes out cuz my heart is broken. But my head is trying to intervene to tell me that he isn’t gone. He’s still my Governor and at the very least the entire country knows who he is and what he is about – it was that way before. He isn’t done, gek, he will still be working hard on the 10th Amendment and other things – now he has the ear of more people all across our country. He meant it when he said that ran to try to save this country – and he will never stop. I know him.

    So, where heart and head had been connected for the first time since Reagan on my choice (only other time was Goldwater), they are now separated again. Right now, I’m listening to my head but I’m still blubbering like a baby. Good thing I live alone and can! ;-)

    I’ve had my eye on marktx for a while, knowing he’s not what he pretends to be. But when I saw him still bashing Perry, I just couldn’t take it any more. There have been a lot of them today, still bashing Perry. Even that sob joshdunn showed back up as gladtidings. We got in pegged in short order and Neil got him. Thank God and Greyhound! The common thread with them is they’re STILL bashing Perry! They still fear him, gek. They do.

    Oh, hon, I hate to carry on so, but I’m just not myself and haven’t been all day. Maybe tomorrow will be better …

    Mom

  • jakeofalltrades

    It does kinda feel like my first breakup. Although nowhere near as strong, it has the same… flavor.

  • pttx333

    me without having strength. But I will confess that I would love to just collapse with the vapors sometimes and be the Pollyanna type. This way hurts.

    Boy, do I remember my first break-up! I was 16, cheerleader, going steady for the only time in HS with the football captain. Had his football jacket, class pin, the whole thing. Well, he dumped me for a racy twirler, and I truly thought I would die right on the spot – I went over to walk him off the football field after the game, as usual, and there she was walking him off the field, and they were all snuggled up laughing. I turned around, went home, took his jacket, pin, etc. to school Mon. morning and put them in his locker. Never said a word to either of them. A couple of weeks later he calls and wants to take me to the movies, and when I heard his voice, I realized I just didn’t give a big rip and would never go with him again – didn’t want to. Just told him that I was busy (I was lying), and that was that. Well, it may be silly high school stuff, but I have never forgotten it. I was a very naive and innocent girl and still thought the fairies had sprinkled fairy dust everywhere. Wrong! Nope, I just stuck with guys as buddies and that was it. That was all I could handle. It does leave a lasting impression. I’ve never handled betrayal very well – maybe it is a terrible defect with me, but it is the truth. No confrontation, no, I just walk – for good.

    Anyway, Mr. Jake, I got sidetracked as usual – pardon my blathering. Thank you for your very welcome support, my friend!

  • jakeofalltrades

    Keep it up :) .

  • pttx333

    In my best Elvis voice: “Thank ya very muuuuch.” Kind sir!

    Seriously, I know that folks really don’t give a big rip, but something in me just blurts out stuff … sooooo, the devil makes me do it! How’s that sound?

  • daveoconnor

    get a new line? You’re name calling is something to be expected from a Leninist or three year-old. Why don’t you post under your own name? Why do you foist edited paste jobs on RS? What’s your fixation on Paul?
    Write something original. How come you’re not identified on the Ft. Lauderdale TP site. “Senior Media Director” How about “Senior Plagerist” or Chief Copy Cat. Quit the name calling and explain why you dishonestly post other peoples work without noting you’ve edited it. Did you ever hear of Compulsive-Obsessive Disorder? That’s real and you Mr Senior Media Director see Ron Paul around every corner.
    It’s sad that someone could tune in here and think that your drivel represents anything to do with conservative politics.
    You engage in both trolling and mobying.

  • http://tuleya.com Tuleya

    If they pull this off, they will be able to control the Republican Platform. Can you imagine the shock and laughes? We better be careful not to le them pull this off.

  • Tbone

    What is the dollar value of all gold at $2000 per ounce?

    What is the total amount in dollar value of US dollars, Euros, GBP, Yen, Yuan, Rubles in circulation?

    Gold as a reserve currency? LOL. You are so frickin ignorant, I doubt you know your first name.

    You don’t even know what the term “reserve currency” means.

    Shut up until you learn something.

  • daveoconnor

    Just visited your “If you love…” published site. as per your invitation. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. That’s way past any rational political discourse man. Very strange twisted hateful stuff. And as for the “privacy” notice I’ve got a surprise for you: Once you publish it isn’t private anymore. That’s the whole idea of publishing. You’re inviting people to Facebook in every one of your posts lol.

  • iodine

    Newt has other scandals. I remember what I believe was called The Post Office Scandal, many years ago, where members of Congress were writing checks and the Washington D C Postoffice were holding these checks until the Congressmen had enough money to cover them. Somebody needs to check into those things that came out years ago. Newt has a history of doing things that Christians don’t do, in my opinion.

  • iodine

    Go to Wikipedia and search for Newt Gingrich. You will see some of his other problems from when he was first in the House. Republicans, back then, including Dick Armey wanted Newt out.

    And, I do remember the Post Office scandal.

  • iodine

    Go to Wikipedia

    Search for Newt Gingrich – they have an entire article

    They talk about the Post Office Scandal and Gingrich was involved.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    He was a terrible husband to two wives, and the wive who’s complaining loudly was the other woman in his first marriage. Morality goes both ways. An adulterer and an adulteress share the same sin, because they made the same bed together.

  • buddyp

    Marianne’s morality (or lack thereof) isn’t all that important to anyone. Newt wants to represent our party as nominee for the presidency, and wants to represent our nation as president. So I’m not sure what your point is re: her sharing guilt for his adultery with her.

  • buddyp

    as for what choice he has, I already stated that: If he thinks it’s worthy of a response, he or his campaign staff can respond. If not, not. But to send his daughters out to defend him is lame, as I’ve explained.

  • cathyb

    I do have a big problem with what Gingrich’s first wife said and find him totally lacking in family values. I do think it was a fair question from CNN since the issue was all over the news. I wanted to hear his response.
    I think he comes across as very self centered and has a huge ego and I just could not vote for him for President. And getting his daughters involved against the ex-wife does not make him look good. He is obviously a cut throat, win at all costs person and I find him disgusting! It’s amazing that conservatives are willing to overlook this!

    I still maintain Romney is a more solid and honorable person and would make a better President.

  • its2011

    Filed for divorce after each wife became sick.
    Ethics violations.
    Character matters!

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    …so I don’t see why you’re kvetching. It’s unbecoming.

  • cathyb

    I agree! I have a big problem with Gingrich and what his ex-wife said. He has no family values and has big character issues and I could never vote for him as president!

  • cathyb

    The only problem is that Newt has huge character flaws and is is lacking in family values!!! I cannot support someone like that and getting his daughters involved to justify his bad behavior does not make him look good. He is done!

  • avagreen

    Romney’s not perfect, either.

    I, personally, don’t find him either solid nor honorable. Anyone who buys an election is none of the above.

  • buddyp

    I’m saying it’s lame for him to have sent his daughters out to address the charges while declining to comment himself (or by his staff). That’s what he did until confronted in the debate last night. You responded above to a comment I made prior to the debate. Yes, now he has responded himself to a particular charge (the “open marriage” thing). That doesn’t change the fact that the way he handled it initially was as I described, and it was lame.

    It’s not complicated, but that doesn’t mean you’ll get it. If you still don’t get this simple matter, well, good luck to ya’.

  • avagreen

    Your posts pretty much all sound the same.

    You’d do your guy a better service by not spamming. It’s obvious you don’t like Newt…….tell why you think Romney is better (other than the generalized superlatives you’re using).

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    If Newt wins, NOTE: “wins”, the Republican nomination you’re content to allow Barack Obama to walk into another four year term as President. Is that right?

  • reggie182

    I was proud of him last night. His debate performance was spectacular! Nobody is perfect. Hell, not even YOU are perfect!

  • deVere

    Someone will need to be left holding the bag, and I’m grateful there is at least one someone I won’t need to shed a tear for.

    Thank you for your interest and comments!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Have fun with your sucker investment.

    Gold ALWAYS goes up in value. Except when it goes down.

    Gold is money . Except it’s not legal tender and it’s actually just another commodity.

  • aesthete

    either fiat or backed by commodities, is based on perceived utility as:

    1) A store of value.

    2) A unit of exchange.

    3) A unit of account.

    This is the case whether or not said currency is backed by actual assets, or by confidence in the ability of the issuer. Both “fiat” and commodity-backed currencies have been enormously successful in the free market of currency in the past, and both commodity-backed currencies and “fiat” money issued by the government have run into problems in the past. I would suggest Milton Friedman’s “Monetary History of the United States”; it’s highly readable and addresses many of your concerns.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Even if the government really does have all the gold they say they do, it is (even at double the current value) Only a small, small small percentage of all the extant dollars out there.

    if we tried to do that the deflation would be astronomical.

  • mikeymike143

    after all we spread the message about that racist loon and his nutjob paulbot followers. and i can tell by your posts that i am already renting free space in your paulbot head. i like that.

    and if you notice when i posted the article about my friend jere and the paulbot scum threatening him and his family i also posted this at the bottom.

    To read entire article click here: http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-supporters-threaten-atlanta-family-with-rape-death

    Article reposted with permission of my friend Joe Newby

    and paulbot, let me help you since you are a little slow in the head. to read entire article click here means that my article is only part of an original article. and in writing three dots is called an ellipsis. that means everywhere i stopped and put … i am saying that there is more to the original article and it has been edited. that is why i put ”to read ENTIRE article click here” with the article link at the bottom of the post. LOL

    Ellipsis (plural ellipses; from the Ancient Greek: ????????, ?lleipsis, “omission” or “falling short”) is a series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word, sentence or whole section from the original text being quoted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

    i so love that i am renting free time and space in your paulbot head. lol. and here is a tip for you that i know this will get your paulbot head in a spin. i am also a page administrator on the ”stop ron paul 2012” group that you paulbots are obsessed with. and i helped promote and build that group.

    and we will continue to spread the truth about that anti semitic loon and his cult paulbot following.

  • deVere

    And properly speaking it’s not an investment. It’s insurance against the catstrophic collapse of the fiat money that is currently commonly used for transactions. In other words, it’s a reserve currency.

    Between 1980 and 2000 gold lost 7/8 of it’s purchasing power in terms of the fiat currency. That’s certainly not comforting for buy and hold gold “investors”. But almost no one complains about paying life insurance premiums and then not dying. I’ll be really thrilled if the $ value of my gold holdings plummets, especially if it’s due to radical fiscal reforms in Washington. I don’t expect it to happen, but it would make me very happy.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    instead of using the “heartless” counter attack, he should have simply said, It is a simple matter of good economics. We have these people in our state, and if we don’t let them get an education then we might be paying a lot in welfare and other programs, by giving them an education, they end up paying more taxes.

    If he has just stated it that way then everyone would have seen that it was an economic calculation (even if they disagreed).

    Instead he used the liberal argument, that was an mistake.

    Just like the Bain capital attacks, Republicans have got to learn to stop sounding like democrats.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    after Ron Paul retires. Your hatred has long ago crossed the border into fanaticism. I don’t even hate Jimmy Carter, or Obama as much as you hate Ron Paul. It is very alarming.

  • drsandykramer

    Gingrich says that he had asked God for forgiveness. That’s good enough for the conservatives. (If the repentance is just Machiavellian political fakery, Gingrich will be losing more than an election.) The liberals/moderates will be voting for Romney no matter what. Next case.

  • drsandykramer

    Your chortling is audible.

  • Wubbies World

    No matter the candidate they all have failings. We all have failings. Unfortunately, we do not have the perfect sinless candidate. I will gladly take a repentant candidate any day.

    Gingrich asking for forgiveness is what matters to me. A candidate who does not know how to say they were wrong and ask for forgiveness is the one I am very wary of in an election.

    A second point is that I have taken notice of the people Newt says he is going to try to have in his administration. John Bolton and Sarah Palin are very large Conservative heavy weights. Involving Rick Perry in a “10th Amendment Project” is a big plus as well.

    Unlike Romney, who has had the failing of mediocrity in important answers in the last two debates, Newt knows how to articulate a conservative message. The Republican base has been thirsting for that for decades. That is why newt resonates with his message.

    Two Thumbs Up

  • Wubbies World

    In an interview in 1995 said then exactly what she would do to Newt if he ran for President and why she would do it.

    She said she would destroy him with one interview if he ever ran for President because she did not think he should be president and she did not want him to be President. Now she has just pulled the trigger on a 16 year old threat.

    She came across as bitter and angry to me. I do not give her much credibility. However, with that being said, Newt is not innocent either. I am just glad he knows enough to ask God for forgiveness and admit he was wrong.

  • Wubbies World

    … (with the help of the establishment Republicans) fecal sandwich that the Republican base is forced to swallow.

    So, we have two choices. We can do like any business owner does when faced with the Obama economy, you adjust to it and make the best of it, or admit defeat and you close your doors and go out of business.

    Right now we are all trying to adjust to it and make the best of it. I love that Newt is making the MSM eat some of the fecal sandwich they helped make. There is always some satisfaction to be had from the situation. That is why people are liking him right now. I am one of them.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Heh.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Just curious. I’m pretty persuaded right now by the notion that fiat money helps prevent or softens painful, long-term deflationary and unemployment cycles.

  • deVere

    Perhaps bought at the top and then sold at the bottom..

    “For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.
    Ecclesiastes 3:1

  • jakeofalltrades

    I had a friend in my church in San Diego who was a federally-convicted felon. He was a big player in the goldbug industry before they took him down. He was convicted on multiple charges including fraud and some obscure charge connected with his selling it as though it was currency. He was on CNN a couple times…

    Maybe deVere bought from him.

  • jakeofalltrades

    the commodity price rises. You maybe could do it, but any politician who suggests it should probably be shot on sight.

  • aesthete

    He used Keynesian analysis to show that monetary policy was much more powerful than was originally thought, and to generally debunk several Keynesian claims about the efficacy of fiscal policy (spending money/tax cuts) to get us out of a recession. However, he also believed, and made a strong case in Monetary History and other places, that historically, central bankers generally don’t know what the correct course of action is in a given economy, and will often exacerbate the problem through counter-cyclical policy. Friedman believed that a central bank was justified and useful, but that policy-makers should not be activist: that they should stick to inflation targets (low but constant inflation), instead of trying to hit a certain employment or GDP growth level, because the latter is not a good long-term strategy.

    This is more or less the view that conservative politicians have adopted on monetary policy (in theory, anyways). Later in life, Friedman’s views on the central bank were more hostile — particularly after seeing what Greenspan was doing, and how inflation was being used as a roundabout way to pay for massive government increases. He, as well as the rest of the conservative movement, became more sympathetic to free banking (private and competing currencies) and commodity-backed currency (traditionally a position espoused by Austrian economists), both as a constraint on government agents printing their own money to pay for their pet projects, and on philosophical grounds. I don’t know as much about monetary economics as I’d like, but my understanding is that periods of free banking around the world have been mixed: in the US, the boom and bust cycle is blamed on free banking, but Sweden and some other countries appear to have had better experiences.

  • Tbone

    to Safeway and buy food? Dude, 12 gauge ammo is more of a reserve currency than is gold.

    Let me help you. The current value of ALL gold EVER mined at $2000 per ounce is about $10 trillion dollars. Just our National Debt is $15 trillion. Further, over one half of all gold ever mined has been made into jewelry. Aunt Martha is wearing your “reserve currency” around her neck.

    You are lucky that breathing is a brain stem function.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Very nice.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Fiat money was a sharp departure from the post-war economic system, and a lot of conservatives were rightly skeptical.

    But any conservative TODAY must compare the economic record under fiat money with the record under gold before taking a position.

  • deVere

    “some obscure charge connected with his selling it as though it was currency.”

    Could we get Ben Bernanke on that rap? Take away his helicopter and give him some handcuffs! LOL

  • aesthete

    IMO, a return to commodity-backed money would have to be based on a basket of commodities: the trick would be to find a basket that would be both 1) stable, and 2) sufficient to cause only mild deflation.

    Come to think of it, it would be interesting to have real estate be one of those commodities: the federal government owns wide swathes of unused land in the western and mid-western states that could potentially be used as part of a proposed basket of commodities.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • deVere

    I think the numbers work out pretty well at $10,000 per ounce. Stick around, if your health is up to it.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • aesthete

    The Swiss Franc stopped its policy of 40% gold/silver backing sometime in 2004-06 to join the IMF; AFAIK it was the last developed country to have a commodity-backed currency. I don’t know how they’ve done since then.

    I am interested in seeing how competing currencies will work in third-world countries like Zimbabwe, which has (wisely) abandoned their own currency de jure as well as de facto. Based on how Zimbabwe does, there might be a good model in the future for Argentina and other countries held back by bad monetary policy.

  • snowshooze

    I have some knowlege of it. If the price get’s to low, they either sit on it, or wait it out. Gold, a commodity, is not in short supply really.
    But it requires a lot of digging. Burning gobs of fuel. Blasting… equipment that wears out.
    It’s free for the getting, but the getting isn’t free.
    I think the dollar should be stabilized somehow.
    The Founding Fathers were very much against a printable currency.
    But… I’ll be darned if I can figure out how to nail down the value.
    Tied to the value of Gold… is far from foolproof. But it is something.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And how do we divvy it up when people come calling to cash in their dollars for baskets?

  • Tbone

    you would know what a fool you are.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    Use “Monopoly” money!

    The intellect of those that make these arguments… is truly “dizzying”.

  • aesthete

    just more feasible than going back to backing our money with X% of gold/silver.

  • trickamsterdam

    Here’s the link…

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/20/brokered_convention_chatter_on_rise

    He says they hope that Newt can extend this thing. And it’s true, if you look, Newt has been getting much more sympathetic coverage from the conservative wing of the MSM, than when he originally became the front-runner.

    So while it’s pretty clear this is still a fairly long shot, those of us who have been talking about it here are not crazy. People w/ real power are talking about it as well.

  • deVere

    President Barack Obama has just been ordered by Judge Michael Malihi to testify in the Georgia case challenging his consitutional right to be on the ballot in Georgia. Obama’s motion to quash the subpoena has been denied:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/78876832/Farrar-Welden-Swensson-Powell-v-Obama-Order-on-Motion-to-Quash-Subpoenas-Georgia-Ballot-Challenge

    Is the age of miracles is not entirely in the past? I assume that some appeals court will likely overule Judge Malahi.

  • Tbone

    illegal alien. Solves lots of problems.

  • Tbone

    A finite amount comes in each game set.

    And, can anyone argue that the Federal Reserve is better run than Parker Bros.?

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    But Tbone for Sec of Treasury.

  • acat

    the new pictures on the dollars aren’t unnecessarily offensive…

    Mew

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    are we talking “animal farm”….or “animal house” on that 40 acres?

    while we’re at it, isn’t this just a spin on the old “a chicken in every pot?”

    At least we can presume that Tbone doesn’t have TurboTax problems… or Eliot Ness would have confiscated his computer years ago.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Are you telling me my hundred trillion dollar note from the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (Harare, 2008 edition) is… worthless?

    I actually do own one, along with a 2 million Mark Reichsbanknote (Berlin, 1923).

  • aesthete

    It’s too bad — whatwith Zimbabwe’s excellent economy and standard of living, I’m sure there were lots of things worth buying with that.

    Don’t have either interwar period German banknotes or Zimbabwean currency, but I do have tons of completely worthless Argentinian monies.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    nt.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I noticed you weren’t promoting the idea pretty quickly after I posted. My bad.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I wish I had a Weimer hyper-inflation era note!

  • jakeofalltrades

    Let it float! Floating is freedom, as Neil might say.

  • jakeofalltrades

    [sympathy puke]

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    ..

  • jakeofalltrades

  • Tbone

    You may be able to buy a $1 trillion Federal Reserve note with it some day. ;-)

  • Tbone

    women in bars that my name is written on the money in their bra.

    Yes, that is my idea of a good bar.

  • marktx

    I supported Perry until such time that it came apparent that he would not win. Nor did I feel he was a very good debater. As for the in state tuition issue – that’s not something most conservatives support.

    Time to move on….

  • jakeofalltrades

  • lizzie

    It was the Sweden comment that drew me back to this thread, not realizing what I had started 23 (now 24) hours ago :)

    First, my apologies for NOT naming the person who made the comment because I am almost recovered enough to cook dinner for real.

    Central Banks, gold, Sweden, and tulips:

    Before the private equity leveraged buyouts started in 1978 (the year I identify as the Rise of the MBAs because I was working for the first great industrial company that decided it was more profitable to be in financial services than actually make stuff – American Can – and the hordes of MBAs sold off all fiber -based assets, like Dixie Cups and Northern Tissue to a tiny, tiny company named James River, and I was there at the end in 2000 when James River had re-leveraged and transferred all that stupid debt onto Crown Vantage, but I digress – that WAS the first PE LBO in 1978)

    Before 1978, one book was required reading for anyone working on Wall Street as a trader or broker:
    “Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”
    meh – but a fine chapter on Holland’s Tulip Mania, late 17th century.

    One tulip bulb was worth a fine big townhouse in Amsterdam. Imagine that.

    Maybe 1987, William Greider wrote a three part history of America’s Federal Reserve system, first published in The New Yorker. It was so riveting that I saved part two until part 3 arrived so that I could read it all at once. That was when The New Yorker was still the best iconoclastic magazine in the world.
    Greider’s series became the best-selling “Secrets of the Temple”, and last time I checked, is STILL in print, and a classic on the shelves of any decent bookstore.

    It is a HISTORY, no particular ideaological slant. Booms and busts and gold standard and Bryan’s “Cross of Gold” rhetoric to add silver – there IS a reason why the USA must have a Central Bank, and I believe Ron Paul is VERY dangerous to suggest otherwise, and for so many to think he has a point about dismantling it.

    I did read a book titled “History of Money”, but got bogged down in 19th century British pound sterling. Was still recovering from thinking how many parts of the world used cowrie shells as currency until the 20th century. Yes, cowrie shells!
    The lesson? The only difference between a piece of official paper currency and a blank piece of copier paper is CONFIDENCE that the former has value. Once you stop using cowrie shells, or precious metal coins, it is all about CONFIDENCE.

    When Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail Sept, 2008, I was at The Metropolitan Museum of Art having a mild chuckle over how Lehman had gone down, and thinking about what that was going to do to CONFIDENCE. No one cared about Bear Stearns, the bad boys, but they got bailed out. But, Lehman Brothers had once been like Tiffany’s – everyone trusted Lehman Brothers. I am STILL angry that Geithner, who KNEW what was going wrong at Lehman when he had oversight as President of the NY Fed – and DID NOTHING – is SecTreasury – and that NO ONE ever mentioned THAT bad bit during his confirmation hearings.

    I digress. I NEVER worked on Wall Street – tried to because I knew, if you worked as a bond trader for a few years, you could retire, but by then you had to have an MBA. I stayed where I always wanted to be – making stuff in the USA that was consumed by choice.

    SWEDEN? The reference was how Sweden rebounded from a financial crisis before the Euro. It worked out very well at the time.

    However, because I have had three cars since 1976, all Saabs, because no one from Miami should ever drive in snow country without front-wheel drive, I followed the global auto crisis in 2009.

    Y’all might be surprised to know that Sweden’s government was the ONLY country in Europe that did NOTHING to help Volvo or Saab.
    Even Serbia had a one year ‘cash-for-clunkers’ tax credit because Fiat has an assembly plant in Serbia.

    I found the Swedish government’s deliberate “free market” solution quite odd at the time because the only way Sweden pays for their rather lavish social welfare benefits is through a trade surplus mostly dependent on automobiles, trucks, and aeroplanes.
    Sweden’s #1 import is asylum seekers, and the Swedish Labor Unions are at the forefront of an Israel-boycott. I almost burned my Saab in protest when I learned that in 2009, but, I rationalized that mine was built in 1999, before GM totally destroyed the design, and before the Swedes turned into Israel-hating (expletive deleted).

    Besides, I have no money to buy another car, and, until someone makes a winter-beating two-door hatchback that has the tightest turning radius on earth, this one will have to do. Assuming my transmission holds up because Saab has now gone officially kaput because the Swedish government refused to let Russian money buy Saab. The geo-politics of automobile assembly!

    so, 40 acres and an illegal immigrant? Good one :)

    I do agree with whoever got bashed that Perry’s poll numbers DID drop from that in-state tuition attack, and I will never understand why he was not ready for a 10th Amendment answer that slammed Romney’s irrational claim that Texas provides a $100,000 subsidy. That did show up in the early poll drops, and it does make the GOP look like the party of Tom Tancredo.

    Complex problems like illegal immigration are not for 60 second sound bites.
    16,000 students, mostly at community colleges.
    ANYONE legal can establish Texas residency for one year and then qualify for in-state tuition. Perry should have known where he would get attacked as the pinata at the party.

    no excuses, it is what it is.

    No one will EVER jump into a presidential primary process ever again without spending one year fulltime doing what needs to be done.

    Well, Ms. pttx333 – I love your stories (learned a lot about musket wadding elsewhere!) and, someday, I hope to share with you the story of the Football Captain and Head Cheerleader at my High School.
    I was Student Council Treasurer and got to sit with the cool kids at lunch, but the full story only was revealed at our 25th HS reunion. One incredible story – you were right to walk away!

    I did watch the debate last night. Was hoping for a Mitt Fit, but it seems he is now proving he has something to hide with those tax returns.

    I hope Rick and Anita Perry watched the dvd of “Real Steel” last night.

    Ah, yes, the Perry-bashing continued today, and I did my bit with The Atlantic (an alleged Austin, Texas political satirist) and The Hill (on Turkey) and The New Republic where they have a new blogpost wondering what Perry will do next. One of the commenters aroused my ire.

    plus, I had just discovered that the TNR liberal Israel-bashers had piled on one of my comments about Iran, re: there are no good options and Teheran IS the #1 at risk of catastrophic earthquake in the world – I just want Mother Nature to stop earthquaking New Zealand and go where all the tectonic plates collide. Seems a bunch of liberals thought I wanted Iranians to die. Not at all. Just want Iran to have to deal with a national tragedy because they did decide to spend money on going nuclear and shelved the plan to relocate Teheran out of the #1 earthquake zone.

    I think Perry should go on 60 Minutes to ONLY discuss the medical breakthrough of using his own stem cells during his July 1 back surgery. I would really like to know more about that.

    well, time to cook a hot meal. I figure this thread is going cold, and this is quite a long comment!

  • aesthete

    concerning whether or not money in a free banking system would tend towards fiat or commodity backed forms for just that reason: the value of oil, gold, etc is not intrinsic, and so the question is to what extent a private institution could engender the trust necessary to issue money that people would use without having any collateral or backing.

  • Ausonius

    What makes gold or silver or platinum or anything else valuable?

    The human belief that they ARE valuable: if nobody thought gold was worth $1500. an ounce, guess what? It would not be selling at that level. Gold ultimately is just another rock: human psychology on aesthetics – possibly similar to magpies attracted to shiny objects and collecting them as a mating ritual (it is assumed) – apparently draws us toward such glittering colors.

    So the comments above on returning to a gold standard as a cure are quite right: that is not a panacea. What is needed is a return to a belief in the high value of the Dollar. As it is cranked out on printing presses to fund MAObama’s spending spree, it becomes worth less. (Two words)

    Imagine a nice shiny new aesthetically pleasing currency, where $1.00 U.S. 2014 would equal e.g. $1,000 old dollars after a national bankruptcy. Prices would be adjusted accordingly: a penny might actually buy something again, as in the 1800′s. :)

    Re-establishing the value of a currency in the minds of its people is called revalorization: difficult, but not impossible, given that people will want to believe in a solution to stop chaos.

    One further problem however: against what other currency would such a new dollar be revalued? Swiss franc?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    …

  • deVere

    But as things stand if Obama doesn’t honor the subpoena he loses the civil suit by default, which means he is off the ballot in Georgia.

    Buy some popcorn.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    ….

  • jakeofalltrades

    And remind me – how did Georgia fare the last time it took up arms against the United States Army?

  • mikeymike143

    A Redstate Exclusive: Ex-Staffer Calls Ron Paul ?The Original 9-11 Truther?

    ?When Al- Qaeda attacked our country on 9-11, Ron Paul told us the CIA was behind it. And that Bush and Cheney knew about the attack in advance.? That is a quote from ex-Ron Paul staffer and confidant Eric Dondero about Ron Paul. Eric called Paul ?the original 9-11 truther?.

    This makes sense on so many fronts. When Congress was getting ready to vote on a military response in Afghanistan, Ron Paul initially OPPOSED responding to the attack, and expressed no concern about those who died that day. In fact, his only concern was that this attack would be used by the Bush administration to invade Iraq.

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/staffer-says-ron-paul-opposed-to-military-reaction-of-9-11-terror-attacks

    They say that ?birds of a feather, flock together?. After Ron Paul got destroyed in the 2008 Republican presidential primary by John McCain, he showed his pettiness by refusing to endorse fellow Republican McCain, saying that ?I couldn?t find anything we agreed on?. Ok, so you can?t find any common ground with a highly decorated naval aviator who was captured and brutally tortured as a POW. When the badly wounded McCain was offered ?to be released out of turn? by the North Vietnamese, McCain refused it unless the men that were captured before him were also released. Yet that?s not the type of man that Ron Paul can support? OK, then who did he endorse?

    Also running for president in 2008 was Cynthia McKinney. a race baiting Democrat considered one of the most far left members of congress. McKinney was the elitist who arrogantly struck a white police officer because he ?dared? to ask her for ID. McKinney is also the one who tried to impeach President Bush, Vice President Cheney. and Secretary of State Condi Rice for being ?war criminals?. Yet Paul chose to endorse this worthless piece of trash over McCain???

    http://brian-therightperspective.blogspot.com/2011/12/flashback-ron-paul-endorses-cynthia.html#!/2011/12/flashback-ron-paul-endorses-cynthia.html

    However, McKinney possessed one advantage that McCain did not. She is a fellow truther. Cynthia has been outspoken in her belief that 9-11 was a ?government conspiracy?. And she accused President Bush of ?needlessly murdering the innocent people of New York City so his popularity would rise.? So naturally Paul endorsed her over McCain.

    And the cult truther movement obviously considers Paul ?one of their own?. In fact, when Paul gave an interview to a conspiracy group called ?We Are Change?, they asked Paul WHY he didnt come out with ?the truth about 9-11?. Notice that they didn?t ask him ?if he believed 9-11 was an inside job?. Why didn?t they ask that? BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNEW THAT HE BELIEVED THAT!!!!!

    But surely Ron set them straight. Stood up for America and said that 9-11 was not a conspiracy perpetrated by the Bush administration to start a war with Muslim countries so that Jewish bankers could get rich. That 9-11 was in fact a cowardly attack by Al-Qaeda on our country. Nope. When they asked Ron the reason he didnt tell everyone ?the truth about 9-11?, Paul actually said that he ?couldn?t handle the controversy because had a full plate and was dealing with other issues?. Wow. I will post the transcript and link including a video of the interview below.

    Kyley from ?We Are Change LA?:

    Kyley: Okay and one last thing why won?t you come out about the truth about 9/11?

    Paul: Because I can?t handle the controversy, I have the IMF the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with because no because I just have more-too many things on my plate. Because I just have too much to do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrQVaiFYmcg

    It sounds to me like Ron Paul is a truther but isn?t honest enough to come out and say it directly because he knows it will kill his political career. Or maybe career politician Ron is just acting like a truther to con those morons into supporting him politically. Either way, this corrupt creep belongs in the nut house, not in the white house.

    Eric also said that ?Paul is not opposed to foreign aid, he is just opposed to foreign aid to Israel. Whenever you hear Paul talking about cutting foreign aid, he always leads out with Israel. But Egypt and Pakistan actually recieve more aid than Israel does?. ?And Ron wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. Paul has said this to me on many occasions. Ron is 100% pro Palestinian and believes ALL of Israel should be surendered to the muslims?.

    I asked Gregg Hilton of the RSC(Republican Security Council) for his assessment of Eric?s claims. ?Dondero is right on the money? said Gregg. And then Mr. Hilton gave me the following examples:

    Paul is a supposedly a foe of all foreign aid, but there is one exception. He naturally supports full funding for his Hamas buddies at the Palestinian Authority.

    On June 20, 2007, Paul and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) were the only two lawmakers to vote against the Rothman-Kirk Resolution, which calls on the United Nations to charge Ahmadinejad with violating the genocide convention of the United Nations Charter based on his numerous statements.

    Paul has called the Gaza Strip ?a concentration camp? and defended the Palestinians right to make bombs and to recieve weapon shipments to attack Israel with.

    On June 19, 2009, the House voted to pass H Res 560 by a 405 to 1 margin. The resolution was entitled: ?Expressing support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law, and for other purposes.? Guess which loon was the one negative vote.

    He thinks Iran should have nuclear weapons but then says ?We need to take out the CIA,? and wants the agency abolished. OK, that combination would give us a nuclear Iran led by a wackjob holocaust denier(Ahmadinejad) and us with no intelligence information on what is happening in the world. And that scenario makes America safer how?????

    (My thanks to Bruce Cohen of ?Stop Ron Paul 2012? for setting up the interview with Eric Dondero for me. And of course a great big thank you to Eric for his time)

    http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/12/30/a-redstate-exclusive-ex-staffer-calls-ron-paul-the-original-truther/

  • daveoconnor

    I was writing about your own facebook page as well. You know the one where you have a quote from Stalin and flatly state you “despise Islam” And your anti-Paul site features what must be part of your Nazi picture book collection. Also interesting that you like to put men in women’s clothing. The “privacy statement” on your public facebook page is just weird.
    And Ft Lauderdale TP’s Micheal Warn’s site is cute too. What religion is that? So you post Nazi pics, commie quotes, “despise Islam” etc. Skinhead maybe. Folks like you are a gift to those on the Left who seek to smear the Right. Unfortunately, with you they just have to go to your various hate sites to find all the ammo they need. I’m not a psychologist but the phrase “I so love that I am renting free time and space in your paulbot head” says a great deal about your own sense of inflated power and view of reality. How many other heads to you “rent”?

  • trickamsterdam

    Seriously, crazy things like that happen.

    What would probably have to happen…is that a couple, few, several candidates would have to turn it down (e.g., Ryan, Rubio, Jindal…and please God no, don’t offer it to him, Jeb Bush) and then West takes it.

    Important to understand: conservatives (and libertarians) back strong ideas, but most centrists only WANT TO WIN.

    In other words, centrists will take any conservative they think can beat Pres Obama.

    If Rep West can take a modest amount of the black vote (15-25%) w/ a social and growth conservative message, and then take the conservative base…he becomes electable. Especially since he’s from a swing state.

    He’s not in the very top rank at a brokered convention…but he’s probably at the top of the rank right below that. A realistic possibility.

  • deVere

    In this age of excessive and bitter partisanship, it’s heartwarming to see some bipartisan agreement for a change. Republicans and Demiocrats arm in arm in a common cause.

    Aside from appearing in person to be deposed, Obama has been ordered to produce his long form birth certificate and his school records. Obviously this is no way to treat a President, and I think Judge Michael Malihi will somehow be persuaded to change his mind, as other judges have.

  • acat

    First, law of scarcity. Gold is pretty scarce. Pig iron isn’t. Which is currency?

    Second, why are you double-pegging your new-dollars? (i.e. peg to an ounce of gold plus the Swiss franc? That’s .. odd)

    For comparison, a McDonalds big mac combo meal is roughly “pegged” to two hours unskilled labor… or vice versa … so is both a simple way to calculate value and an interesting (and better than gold) metric to look at to try to figure out true inflation.

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    So that is a very good question, aesthete!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m told the judge isn’t some birther handing out orders, but is merely refusing to quash things just now.

  • Ausonius

    We do not back our currency with moon rocks, although we could, because in one sense they are even scarcer than gold for now.

    Why not use yttrium? Or other lanthanides? Aesthetics, as I mentioned, is part of the psychology behind the value of a substance.

    Gold would not work for the reasons outlined earlier in the discussion. So a currency’s value can be found relative to others: e.g. one solution to end the German hyperinflation of the 1920′s had the new Mark indexed to the Dollar.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    What we need is a law preventing the treasury and the central bank to increase the money supply above the rate of productivity increase.

    Money based inflation would then be effectively zero and government would be forced to cut spending to match revenues.

    In order to give the law teeth it really should be an amendment.

  • Ausonius

    It is a strange commentary on our time that our politicians would need to be forced to keep government within its means.

    Note how this phenomenon of “extreme spending” is fairly recent in American History. Even FDR financed WWII partially through sales of bonds, rather than printing money ad infinitum.

    As an international currency, the dollar would be traded against others, so this would still affect its value.

    Concerning “Acat’s” comment on pig iron: :)

    In the ancient Greek slave-state of Sparta, the government deliberately used iron money to prevent Spartans from being attracted to business, trade, and the accumulation of wealth.

  • acat

    .. y’know, I’ve forgotten the name of the country, but .. one of the ones in Africa.

    “We just won’t print our own currency, we’ll use dollars”.

    Mew

  • Ausonius

    They have their own currencies (the Colon and the Balboa) but for all practical purposes people use dollars.

    Not sure about an African country.

    If they start to use Canadian dollars, we will know we are in trouble!

  • acat

    They’re prettier and more colourful, for one thing….

    Mew

  • deVere

    The judge is just enforcing Georgia’s ballot law. I never said he was a “birther”. That’s just something out of your feverish imagination.

    However, Judge Malihi has reportedly ordered Obama to appear to be deposed, and also to bring all his documents with him.. If the order isn’t reversed that could possibly have dramatic political consequences. I’m betting the order will somehow be reversed before next Thursday. I loved “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington”, but I’ve never believed in the ending.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Beg your pardon? You’ll have to speak up. I’m a trifle deaf in this ear, and I must have misheard you.

  • deVere

    Please review the discussion and determine who introduced the term “birther” into it to characterize Judge Malihi. It wasn’t me.

    Anyway, I seriously doubt the case will amount to anything. Santa Claus doesn’t come in January!

  • deVere

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/blom_benko_advocating_gold_standard_could_change_outcome_of_2012-211309-1.html?pos=oopih

    Gee whiz, I’ve stumbled into the political mainstream.. I’ll have to be more careful in the future.