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The Republican Base Simply Does Not Like Mitt Romney & Why The Press Rarely Reports It

“Mitt Romney conveys all the business acumen of a co-CEO of Research in Motion, both of whom are themselves losing their jobs.”

A friend of mine pointed out this morning that Mitt Romney has outspent Newt Gingrich $7 million to $.0008 million in Florida just to watch his 15 pt lead implode overnight.

The Republican base does not trust Mitt Romney. Because they do not trust him, they do not like him as a candidate. His campaign, all too clever to try to sit on an ephemeral lead that any outside observer could see was more vaporware than reality, has decided to go fully negative now against Gingrich.

In other words, Mitt Romney who no one much cares for outside of well paid consultants, lobbyists, and First Class Acela Express Republicans in Washington and New York is going to drive up his own negatives to make Newt Gingrich more toxic to the base than himself. That’s a winning strategy for the general for sure! “Hey,” Team Romney must be saying, “We’ll just remind them about the Supreme Court to get them to turn out in the general.” That worked so well for Team McCain.

Mitt Romney is supposedly a brilliant private businessman. It is the theme of his campaign. If a business were to spend as much as he has spent to lose Iowa in 2012 garnering less votes in 2012 than he got in 2008 and then lose all but two counties in South Carolina, you’d think a private businessman would shake up his campaign.

Right now in running his campaign, Mitt Romney conveys all the business acumen of a co-CEO of Research in Motion, both of whom are themselves losing their jobs.

There is, however, some important insight into this we should all now see.

For a year, many of us have been telling reporters and Republicans in Washington that the base does not like Mitt Romney. We have pointed out how since November of 2010 until just before the kick off this year in Iowa his polling average never got above 25.5%.

But it fell on deaf ears.

I really think it fell on deaf ears because a lot of Romney’s team comes from the corridors of Washington who have built up relationships with the leading voices in the press over the past decade. The Gang of 500 as they call it and the Romney team have coexisted in a symbiotic relationship of sourcing and news for a long time both related to and separate from Mitt Romney’s campaign.

Consequently, any other campaign that had spent what Romney spent and gotten the poor results Romney got would see huge process and analysis pieces on the front page of every major newspaper in America today speculating on a Romney campaign shake up.

That won’t happen though with Romney’s campaign because of press-operative relationships. And it is that press-operative relationship between the Gang of 500 and Romney’s campaign team that has left the Romney campaign stunned by results everyone outside Washington, D.C. saw coming.

COMMENTS

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Perhaps they should continue being deaf to the clamor so they can be removed from power all the easier.

  • gipper823

    Agree completely, Erick! I love the spending comparison.

  • Thomas_Hauber

    A problem occurred on the way to the coronation of Willard.

    The media continually forgets to mention that the people have to vote.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    the beneficiary of the Mitt implosion is a potentially unelectable Newt. It seems that anyone but Romney, really is ANYONE but Romney.

  • notpropagandized

    Watching Perry fail badly was disheartening, but watching the not-Romney-yet vote hold in SC is helpful. To think primary voters across the nation could hold the line as this primary progresses is an amazing prospect.

    To think that Braveheart could survive and beat Robert The Bruce is simply titillating.

  • tailfins1959

    Newt’s “baggage” will likely help him in the Northeast. His “failures” show that he’s a real person, not a judgmental finger pointer.

  • OCBill

    With Romney’s record of appointing Democrats to the courts in Massachusetts and his endorsement by John Sunnunu (who helped give us David Souter), I’m not sure the Romney campaign should be pushing the Supreme Court angle during the primaries.

    Miit Romney, a “David Souter” conservative. Just ask John Sunnunu.

  • OCBill

    Reagan was also unelectable. Wasn’t John McCain supposed to be “electable”? Mitt Romney is another Bob Dole (at best).

  • OCBill

    Reagan was also unelectable. Wasn’t John McCain supposed to be “electable”? Mitt Romney is another Bob Dole (at best).

  • andystone

    is to show that he’s a fighter, that he can go out there and take it to Obama just like he’s taking it to Gingrich. The problem is that changing one’s temperament should not be a campaign strategy. The voters who are unnerved by a sense of deep uncertainty as to who Mitt Romney really is will not be put at ease by the rapid upgrade to version 15.7. It’s not that it’s not a good version – campaign pollsters and consultants have worked hard with the most recent data, I am sure – it’s just that a lot of people prefer an old operating system, whose quirks they’ve learned to deal with, to the unfamiliarity of the best and latest.

  • redcal

    MSNBC reminds me that Mitt Romney tried to pivot onto offense four years ago, also in Florida, and it totally backfired. This guy just doesn’t learn.

    “So Romney has signaled that he?s loaded for bear. His problem: that strategy didn?t work for him — especially in Florida — four years ago. He didn’t wear well in 2008 with voters when he became an attack dog at debates against McCain and Huckabee. But more importantly for Romney, he doesn?t have a Newt problem; he has a Mitt problem….What?s more, it appears that Romney has run out of ideas. What is the quintessential Romney plan? The new idea he?s offering? So right now, Romney has a message problem, an ideas problem, and — yes — an electability problem. Newt is simply the latest vehicle for primary voters to express their angst about Romney. ”

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/23/10216094-first-thoughts-high-stakes

  • surfcitysocal

    I’m just so happy seeing the GOP establishment darling–Romney–go down in flames (thank you, South Carolina), I find myself actually entertaining the thought of voting for Gingrich–which I said I’d never do.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    Reagan himself wouldn’t have won in the climate that was 2008. The economic deck was completely stacked against us that year and I don’t think anyone we could have run had any chance.

    Second, I believe Newt has near 100% name recognition with the general electorate and yet has something like high 50%s (like 58%+) unfavorable rating. Couple this with Newt’s past (and not just the marriages, but the mandate, the Ryan comments, the ethics probe, getting reprimanded by his own party, being forced out, etc) and I think his chances are going to be slim.

  • ragstoriches

    on the analogy…

  • Ausonius

    Winning one-fourth of the vote, being the top choice at 25% in a poll, losing two primaries, etc. etc. etc. prove only that a large majority does not want you!

    Romney will need to wear sackcloth and ashes and beg forgiveness for licking leftist lollipops, swear to become a real Conservative, start punching MAObama in his political proboscis, and only then MIGHT he convince people that he is not a liberal Rochefeller Republican.

  • elayman

    As a strategy it only reinforces the perception of inauthenticity, but Romney really has no choice but to go on offense and try to find that fire in his belly. No one is going to follow around a passionless warm body. It was his lack of (or meager) counter-attack that got him into the place he is now. Another candidate is going to be forced to enter if Gingrich looks unstoppable after Florida.

  • redcal

    I actually sympathize — if you were Romney, what would you do? You have to go on offense. But I would have spent the last four years practicing the attack dog persona until I had refined it to a fine art, the way Gingrich has. Instead, it comes off as desperate, forced, clumsy/awkward, and (worse of all) ineffectual.

  • steeltube

    If that is how the “Gang of 500″ choose to report or opine on the latest primary developments then they would be right. I read this insightful comment about Newt a few months ago….

    “His great debate performance proves nothing on the issue of his viability. We all already knew he was a good speaker and debater. The problem is his management skills and debates do not go to that.”

    Erick Erickson

    Just because others we may prefer never ran (or did run but eventually dropped out due to poor showings), how would those events make Gingrich any less fundamentally flawed? I will hope we end up with a brokered convention and a candidate 90% of us can support.

  • andystone

    Outside of the Republican voters who watch the debates, his image is governed by decades of media distortion. And, no matter who the nominee is, he will be the subject of an immense character assassination campaign as soon as the primary is decided.Newt at least has experience with it (his reward for winning the 1994 election was to grace magazine covers as “the Gingrich who stole Christmas”) and has learnt to deal with it very well. Mittens has shown no comparable aptitude to take on the media, and Santorum can’t even get rid of a Google problem that’s plagued him for years.

  • suzyq

    I could have never seen myself voting for Gingrich, I wanted Perry, but I love that Gingrich actually voices my thoughts, unabashedly so!

  • satchman3

    I think Romney had started to campaign against Obama so now he’ll have to backstep and take on Newt.

    Newt’s got a laundry list of liabilities so it’s good to get them out there now. I think Newt should be easy for Romney to beat if he can get his surrogates and the media to talk about Newt’s history.

    My wife heard about Newt’s 6 year affair and let’s just say that being a Newt supporter at my house is a bad move.

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  • miconservative

    Because it is my guess that Newt will swat him back as easily as he swatted back Santorum on Thursday. Romney will look like the desperate candidate stepping out from behind the facade of his super pac to level the charges personally. Romney calling Gingrich a “failed and disgraced leader” is going to sound a lot lot like Charlie Crist. If Romney loses in Florida the whole rationale for his candidacy disintegrates over night.

    As for the person who asked what is Romney’s BIG idea in this campaign, I ask the same question. I have been watching this campaign from the get go and I have absolutely no idea. I just know he made a joke out of the space program which should play great in Florida.

  • melbedewy

    Get real. America is NOT going to elect a quarter billionaire who has something like 100 million stashed in the Cayman’s and pays a lower tax percent than a schoolteacher. Sounds like a bad Grisham novel.
    Pawlenty and Daniels are sure looking a whole lot better to me.

  • SteveM

    Because it’s so friggin’ constructive.

    How about instead of this site becoming I Hate Mitt Romney And Can’t Wait For Him To Fail (which bleeds over into EE’s CNN appearances, much to the delight of his fellow panelists), how about we do something radical instead:

    Like say, touting Newt’s qualifications for President?

    I’ll go first, just to show how easy this is: Newt is a visionary. If you read his books, you’ll find a ton of practically implementable ideas that would be great for America.

    See how easy that was? So how about it, RedState? Can we try and keep this positive, or does everyone here want to write Obama’s campaign ads for him?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Gingrich has been better tap-dancing around his non-conservative dalliances than Romney.

  • acat

    Romney is not a fighter. Never has been, but he needs to be able to at least play the part.

    Two reasons.

    First, the debates. As long as Romney is throwing some hits at Obama, it’s survivable for Gingrich to mop the floor with him in the debates – but only if he can keep his cool and not have “mitt fits”, the glass-eyed stunned-cow look Willard took on after Perry’s hits.

    It’s not the damage you dish out, it’s how much you can take and keep moving… the “mitt fits” are a clear sign of weakness.

    Second – and more importantly – in the general, Romney is going to have to utterly crush Ron Paul and any other nominal right-wing (i.e. libertarian) third party efforts, otherwise the general is seriously in jeopardy.

    I don’t see how Romney pulls this off.

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I agree. I bet there are a LOT of folks on Capitol Hill saying the same thing.

    We need to be honest: Romney’s millions make him a target.. Newt’s baggage and rhetorical flourishes make him a tough sell to independents and a weak general election candidate. He is winning because the rest of the field in general was weak, and the putatitvely credible contenders never got far (Perry, Pawlenty).

    Rush shared the Steve Schmidt on MSNBC quote Saturday night, talking about how the Establishment will go in total meltdown if Newt wins in Florida.

    The Mitch Daniels giving the SOTU reply may be a trial balloon. I’ve said prior that I think brokered convention is a total fantasy and the nominee will be Romney or Gingrich. … but who knows, its a crazy primary.

  • gnomechumpsky

    I mean, there are 350+ million of us.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    And every word has been spectacular. At his best there’s a lot of heart and soul with the information he’s able to distill down. His transcripts will be up later today and I recommend at least reading the opening monologue. If you can afford the time listen to the podcast. Listen to the truck driver from Philadelphia somewhere between 1:35-1:50 (2nd half of 2nd hr.). He is a lifelong democrat is leaving Obama and a major point to him was the Keystone pipeline deal. The man is in pain over this and over the economy. Rush explained why the establishment wants Romney. It isn’t to win the White House. They think they can get Senate seats off a Romney ticket to get McConnell the head job so they can steer money. Pathetic.

  • katem

    Gingrich is worse than Romney. Both have flipflopped on most issues and have electability concerns. But Gingrich also has too much baggage. Not just the marriage issues but his record as speaker, including his own party pushing him out of the speakership. Gingrich is no Reagan — Reagan did not have the baggage Gingrich has.

    Unfortunately, the best qualified conservatives either didn’t get into the race (Daniels) or left it too soon (Huntsman and Pawlenty) because they couldn’t get traction among the base. Our loss.

  • katem

    Gingrich is worse than Romney. Both have flipflopped on most issues and have electability concerns. But Gingrich also has too much baggage. Not just the marriage issues but his record as speaker, including his own party pushing him out of the speakership. Gingrich is no Reagan — Reagan did not have the baggage Gingrich has.

    Unfortunately, the best qualified conservatives either didn’t get into the race (Daniels) or left it too soon (Huntsman and Pawlenty) because they couldn’t get traction among the base. Our loss.

  • carolynr

    He’s almost as bad as Harry Reid

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    more animated during the past few debates…less wooden and rehearsed, and speaking a bit more “off the cuff”. I see that as being a positive in comparison to his responses of even three months ago.

    But it still doesn’t quite come across as being genuine. It sounds like he’s trying to say what he thinks people want to hear rather than expressing something he genuinely and sincerely believes in.

  • Wubbies World

    This comes by way of Ben Domenench’s Transom. Subscribe to it if you already don’t. It is well worth it!

    http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/12/19/angelo-codevilla-is-there-a-republican-establishment-that-differs-from-and-is-antagonistic-to-people-who-vote-republican-see-note-please/

    It defines where Mitt Romney is coming from and why Newt is leading and why he will be destroyed.

  • carolynr

    nt

  • colonelflagg

    The problem is that we have a Republican base so desperate for red meat that they think Obama will surrender after one debate against The Great Newt Gingrich.

    Unfortunately, elections don’t work that way, and after driving every other reliable conservative from the field we’re left with Gingrich, who is demonstrably nowhere near the conservative he was thirty years ago.

    We’re settling for someone who is better than Romney, but not by enough to make a serious difference given his well-documented support for issues such as AGW and individual mandates.

    But what can we do? We chased the real conservatives out of the race.

  • veritaseequitas

    ..

  • SteveM

    …convince T-Paw not to drop out and talk Mitch’s wife into running in the first place.

    There will be NO surprise candidate showing up at the convention to save the nation. Not. Gonna. Happen. What message does that send to all the people who expended a lot of time, effort and money to get the candidates elected? “Hey, thanks, but all that was for crap. And you primary voters and caucus goers? Thanks for showing up, but none of that counted.”

  • unclefred

    Except for a view fellow judges who were personally close to him, David Souter was viewed by all as a conservative judge. Those who knew differently, and were themselves conservatives, chose not to provide that information to Sununu. Only after reaching the SCOTUS did Souter show his true views.

    While I’d prefer a different nominee, I’ll risk what we might get for SCOTUS appointment from Romney, than what I know we’ll get from Obama.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    He gets to help pay its O&S bill every April 15th.

  • bonnman

    I agree we should try and discuss more of the positives than the negatives but visionary ideas are easy to come by but offer no constructive plans for solving some of our real problems.

    But I’m open to hear more on some of Newt’s real plans.

  • swi2522

    as much as i hate the dems i hate the rinos in washington more since i think they think the same way as the dems about more big government

    i want all the bums out including the msm
    newt win will further marginalize the press and the print media

    i think that why they are trying to control web content they see messaging falling on deaf ears

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    If the MSM trashed Sarah Palin on completely made up scandals, how much more damage will they do to Newt with his actual scandals?

  • SteveM

    He has stuff on health care, energy, the works. His books are excellent sources for both vision and the nuts and bolts on how to work through the details.

  • DVPTEXFLA

    I for one will support who ever is the republican candidate.

    My first choice has withdrawn, but I will support whoever is nominated by the republicans. When I hear anyone, but today mainly the anti- gingrich crowd, ( I assume Romney supporters) say they can not support a given candidate against Obama I cringe.

    Unfortunately way to often the “moderates” have bailed in elections when their candidate lost the primary. In Florida we have Charlie Crist as one of the latest examples. We can say Marco Rubio has a bright future because of conservatives in Florida, not beacuse of the smart guys in Washington.

    If Gingrich does become the candidate and moderates and other Romney supporters bail out I think you can kiss the republican party good bye, You will have a new third party in future elections.

  • acat

    Think about that for a minute.

    5% congressional approval. 95% think Congress is going the wrong way – at least some of them are conservatives who are sick of Boehner compromising.

    The Contract pointed out a completely different way to run for congress, running not on local issues – as Tip O’Neil asserted one must – but running on a national agenda… and it worked.

    This is going to be one for the history books.

    Mew

  • swi2522

    the msm is unethical and without values. they will try to slander any candidate at least with newt he will fight them and make them look like the a$$ holes they are

  • steeltube

    I was favoring Romney earlier but the primary vetting process did what it was supposed to do-exposed his non electability.

    No person with a LBO/Hedge Fund/Wall St background as prominent as his should be running for high profile offices until the economy is fully recovered. Whitman and Fiorina suffered from that problem too. Its ok to be rich but you need to have earned it like Bloomberg did-thru entrepreneurship. Issa falls into that category too. Maybe if Romney was just a venture capitalist and limited himself to only investing in start ups (Google, Facebook, etc) he could have pulled it off.

    At this point I hesitate to throw out a name that MOST of the GOP can get behind .But since you asked—–Mitch Daniels.

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    is that when it comes to specifics of policy and how various policies we have in this country are constructed, he has forgotten more than most of us ever learned!

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    If you think Newt will get all his scandals passed the MSM your not paying attention. Juan Williams and Jon King are lightweights compared to the entire MSM, Hollywood, and the vast majority of the music industry.

    How long will it be before HBO does a movie on Newt’s corrupt and adulterous record??

    Popcorn!! Get your popcorn!! Popcorn here!!

  • bonnman

    But what’s his most specific practical plan that you think would work best?

    I hear a lot about Newt attacking Romney on Bain and Romney attacking Newt on lobbying but not so much on policy differences. How do his positions/plans on health care, energy or whatever differ from Romney’s current positions?

  • fightnright

    The larger rationale for Romney’s candidacy was electabilility with the *general* electorate, NOT his electability with the conservative base, who are the most reliable voters in primary contests.

    And I won’t go back to the old argument insisting that McCain didn’t win enough of the general electorate because he was too much of a moderate and the base would not support him. There were MANY reasons Mac was swamped:

    Super namby-pamby McCain would not take his own d@mn side in an argument.

    McCain stuck by a disastrous decision not to go on the attack against his opponent.

    Mac’s age and health condition were questioned.

    The economy had flat-lined during the prior Republican administration.

    We were at the ending phases of a long war deeply unpopular with moderates; a war that Mac had defended.

    Obama ran as a moderate, not as a liberal, and refused to elaborate on his partisan agenda.

    The MSM worked harder than ever to bury Obama’s radical background and personal records and helped Obama preserve that ‘moderate’ veneer.

    Obama’s youth, charisma, eloquence, attractive family and newcomer status helped him look fresh and appealing, especially against the tongue-tied craggy senior McCain.

    Obama had all of the media in the Hollywood and arts field supporting him – not just the MSM news. Huge advantage to Obama in free media-time trickle down to the TV and celebrity obsessed casual voters in the general electorate.

    Obama was the first candidate to effectively utilize social media to completely win over the youth vote. Mac joked about his dinosaur attitude toward even computers.

    Obama was the first African-American candidate, propelling a previously unreliable but numerically significant voting bloc to the polls, virtually ALL of whom supported him. In this vein and against McCain’s chances in ’08: think Acorn.

    Last I can think of, but most important: Obama had no record. Now he has one, and it’s a whopping failure.

  • tailfins1959

    One of the sponsor’s of tonight’s debate is Tampa Bay Times! This is one of those tabloids that has escort ads in the back and didn’t oppose Alan Grayson’s re-election.

  • Spartan4Life

    1. Electability- If he is so electable, why has he lost almost every election he has competed in?

    2. Outsider status- When he tries to portray himself as a “Washington outsider” I almost choke myself. If he was a true outsider would he be getting all these endorsements from the worst of the worst establishment types(e.g. McCain)? Methinks not.

    He has zero credibility. That is why he is going to lose.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    If you can’t figure out what his plans are, you’re trying hard not to.

  • Wubbies World

    On Rush Limbaugh, he said there is a NewsMax story out that the Advisers that Romney is using use to be Charlie Crist’s advisers.

    Just wow if it is true.

    it is posted on the NewsMax front page.

  • notpropagandized

    And Bush41 got unelected partly by not tending to the Reagan voters that gradually lost enthusiasm by ’92. The Republican Elite, the Republican Establishment coopts so many other threats, but seems to have limits on how much to accommodate Evangelical, TeaParty, Small Business COMPETITIVE Free Market Capitalism, Pure 2nd Amendmenters, Etc.

    Ann Coulter has abandoned her very wise advice and that is, “if you’ll just nominate a real conservative, then voters will emerge from the woodwork to vote him/her in.”

    Erick is correct, I think, that enthusiasm will be lessened by Romney as a nominee much like McCain. Palin was the only sense of excitement in that campaign and was muted by its elites.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    as an issue is a winning strategy with southern evangelicals.

  • red_oakster

    Newt is winning support because of his debate performances, his ability to articulate tea party themes, and his success in presenting himself as a conservative alternative to Romney.

    Even if the voters chose to concentrate on Newt’s time as Speaker (and they won’t given their lack of historical knowledge), it would remind people of how poorly Newt ran the House. While I prefer Newt to Romney, there are very few Congressmen who made Newt their leader who continue to support him.

    It’s one of those reasons why I think Newt’s negatives are overstated: people tend to forget and forgive (because they don’t remember). If the voters want to fire Obama, Newt will be an acceptable alternative. Once elected though, he’s not going to have much support on Capitol Hill.

  • Spartan4Life

    Really? Daniels(shhhh, don’t bring up abortion!), Huntsman(Global warming and Gay marriage), and Pawlenty(I support Mitt!).

  • notpropagandized

    When the candidates square off and Newt makes his case, the voters will line up just as they do in every election. Newt does not have the horns that the media portrays. Lightening rod? Yes, because media cannot not stand a traditionalist conservative, but the voters will rise up and cast off all the false images just as they did for Reagan.

  • Spartan4Life

    Romney doesn’t really know what us out here in the great unwashed really want to hear.

    That is why he struggles to make it up.

  • Spartan4Life

    We want Steve Schmidt to be in total meltdown. Him and his guy McCain are both losers.

  • acat

    that, given the extreme dislike of congress, much of the same approach Gingrich took with the CWA will apply again in 2012.

    Mew

  • benko

    Even if you ignore the Newsmax hits…

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/mitt-romney-advisers-tried-bury-marco-rubio

    Nice Company he keeps.

  • icesweeper

    Bull. McCain had a double digit lead going into Sept., after picking Palin, and he blew it. He ran a terrible campaign.

    1. He hung Palin out to dry. He had the nomination locked up in March, why in the world did he wait until Aug to then go through a rushed VP process. Palin (and others) should have been on a very short list, and locked away in a secure undisclosed location prepping for the media onslaught. He failed her, not the other way around.

    (This critique has nothing to do with either McCain or Palin’s politics, simply his poor management.)

    2. He bounced around from one solution to another. Obama had already lied about campaign financing and then BHO suckered him into canceling his campaign to rush back to DC. Then let the erratic painting begin.

    3. McCain deliberately left his knife at home knowing full well the Democrats planned on a gunfight.

    McCain blew it.

  • notpropagandized

    Do you think (now that Perry is not available to us choosers), that Newt Gringrich is electable as would any core-like conservative.

    IMO, true conservatives draw out an enormous vote. Fake or apologetic conservatives suppress vote. It might even work for a Bold Santorum.

    Regardless of negatives, largely media and cocktail/intellectual/elite driven, voters will make up own mind and line up ideoligically, issue-by-issue, comparison-by-comparison, etc.

    WDYT?

  • lineholder

    from the reality that those of us on Main Street face in our daily lives? I think that’s probably true, but then again, I think it’s true for all of them to some extent. For Romney, it just seems more difficult for him to make that kind of connection than it is and has been for some of the others.

    He’s worked within the private sector side of our capitalistic system, but I’ve never heard him speak about his realm of experiences or knowledge in entrepreneurial ventures and starting a business from the ground up. Building up business is far more likely to resonate with voters in this kind of economic environment than tearing down or dismantling business will, even though both are and have been normal events within the context of the private sector.

    To some extent, having that goal to establish and run a successful business IS a part of the “American dream” for many people. Romney doesn’t seem to relate to or connect with that very well, does he? Of all the candidate in the race, he is the one who has the greatest claim to private sector business experience, so I would think that recognizing and understanding how important this could be to people would make more sense to him than it would to those who have never worked in the private sector a day in their life.

  • red_oakster

    It helps Newt, but it also helps the House Dems at Boehner’s expense?

  • tpnoga1

    Newt is pretty much despised by the rest of the country. Around 60% unfavorable. Wake up GOP, do NOT for all that is good and great nominate Newt. It will be a disaster. We will lose the House and fail to get the Senate. Why is the base on a suicide mission. I thought you were supposed to like the GOP, not destroy it.

    If Newt wins and Obama gets re-elected, I will never forgive Erick and the rest of the same people that helped elect Dems from DE, CO & NV.

  • http://theconservativehand.com Brookhaven

    They are looking for someone that can forcefully defend their positions; defend themselves; and explain why the other guy is not as good a choice as you are.

    There’s a difference between just slinging mud and being aggressive about why you should be the nominee.

    I’ve yet to hear Romney express with any conviction why he should be the nominee. I’ve yet to hear him say “I would be a great president, because…”

    Romney’s strategy has always been to be the last man standing. “Well Ethel, I guess we’ll just have to vote for Mitt Romney, because there isn’t anyone else left worth voting for.”

  • gnomechumpsky

    and probably sew this whole thing up.

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    and into the realm of nominating a circus clown just to avoid Romney.

    I hope that once this election is over, the Republican party takes a long took at just how we got here with a full slate of fools running for President.

    How anyone could support a person like Newt, or how someone like Cain didn’t get vetted earlier given the boot, or how little preparation Perry put into campaigning is beyond me.

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    nt

  • duncer

    Personally i want Santorum but in the general election i will vote for our nominee even if it is the fraud that is Romney that will not repeal obama care unless forced to by the legislative branch. He is not a man you can trust. Gay marriage was not forced on him in Massachusetts, he forced on the people of the state.

  • Spartan4Life

    Really smart, Governor. Wait until Gingrich is rising and go on NBC and throw mud all over him. That will endear you to all of us anti-establishment types.

    Another great political read by a Rino.

  • Common_Cents

    Gingrich is a master at that. Romney could find a cure for cancer and sound guilty talking about it.

    People need to be inspired and have confidence. Gingrich gives that emotional appeal in addition to logic. You must have both if your name isn’t Barack Hussein Obama and have the media covering for you.

    Interesting tidbit on Rush today, Rush said Romney’s advisors in FL are Charlie Crist advisors.

    If I were Gingrich, I’d point that out tonight at the debate.

  • acat

    They’re not, for the most part, ideologically motivated – they vote based on their own litmus tests. Did I mention the relative who bragged about voting for everyone who “sounded Irish”?

    Tip O’Neil got it partially right when he said all politics is local – it’s more like all politics is personal.

    I don’t see why – short of blowing himself up, which is a legitimate concern – Gingrich couldn’t be competitive in the general election.

    The “pucker factor” he induces in the beltway barons is a negative only in getting their votes .. he can point at the significantly better economy we had the last time he was in D.C., and given the 5% approval rating, he can run as “the last guy to really change Congress” as well.

    The “unelectable” arguments, to me, seem more like wishful thinking.

    Mew

  • Spartan4Life

    ….what makes you think that Independents, much less Democrats, will?

    I’d rather start with an enthusiastic base of 40% and try to convince the other 10% I need than start with a lukewarm 25% and try to get to 50%.

    It is Romney who has the much more difficult general task.

  • SteveM

    I love Rush, but he’s gone a long way towards the Eat Our Own message that RedState has adopted.

    CNN LOVES IT when Erick gets on there and blasts Romney. Just loves it. So does Obama.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    Lehman failing, the unemployment rate going up by 1% (in 3 months), roughly 400k job losses (later revised substantially higher), the stock market tanking 25% (and being down more than a third just prior to the end of October), the scaremongering that got us TARP, etc. It was all just a “terrible campaign”.

  • WillWong

    Sure doesn’t look like it! He is a good attack dog but if he keeps barking at the wrong guy, what good is it for us?

  • trelane

    His take was:

    1) We* think Newt would be a lot easier to beat than Mitt, but Mitt is beatable.
    2) We could live with President Mitt so long as he sticks to fiscal policy. Not so much with President Newt.

    Personally I’d like to see Newt taking apart Obama this summer, and damn the electability argument!

    (*) Notice how liberals always speak collectively

  • naraht

    Like “Never Call Retreat: Lee and Grant: The Final Victory”?

  • In The Hook

    I know, I know, no executive experience. But he’s way more in line with my ideology and exudes competence at pretty much every level.

  • acat

    is very well placed to run against both Obama and a “business-as-usual congress”.

    Further, this plays to exactly what Gingrich did previously… the CWA was one way to run – nationwide – against business as usual.

    The question, I think, is whether both Obama and Gingrich can run against congress…. and I think Gingrich has both the better case, and the better history of success.

    Mew

  • carolynr

    Keystone XL Pipeline…Republicans made nothing of it…nothing and Canada says they are selling to China…Meanwhile Iran says they are shutting down the Strait of Humuz. Can the American people afford this…NO…yet nobody will do a darn thing about it.

    The Payroll Tax Holiday…Excuse me…but that is on the back of the Seniors. So, what happens when the elderly have no more money? Bigger welfare state. Had we known about Obama a long time ago … we would have saved and I hope that those that have jobs have taken notice…you too will be thrown under the bus.

    Debt Ceiling…Again…NOTHING DONE.
    Super Committee….NOTHING DONE.
    Recess Cabinet Appointments Made . Nothing done.
    Debt Now 100% of GDP.
    Secret Monies loaned to the IMF
    The EPA Dictating Policy on Energy that we desperately need.
    Just About All the czars being Communists.
    Have Two Crooks..Dodd and Frank write Regulations for banks wherein they bilked the system before the regulations.
    Union Bullying and interference in State’s Rights.
    Executive Orders with no blowback from Congress.
    Violation of Contract Law and nothing from Congress (GM)
    Stimulus Package that went to Union backers.
    Loan Guarantees to Green Companies that later went bankrupt…but Obama backers made money.
    INSIDER TRADING
    NO BUDGET FROM THE SENATE IN THREE YEARS
    GUN RUNNING FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
    Failure to Secure The Border.
    Suing the States for the rights of illegals.

    Then we have these people…Lugar, Hagel, Snowe, Collins, Chambliss, McCain (we can’t do anything about him) Graham, McConnell, Canter and yes…Boehner. What happened to our great Conservatives like Kyl…he’s resigning…but did he help…no. What about Orin Hatch…any help there? No. If we had more people in the Senate like Rubio, Toomney and Lee this country would be better off. Even Chavetz (sp) went for the Party line backing Romney.

    The people in Washington DC have ruined this country, trampled on the Constitution and are greedy, power hungry hogs. Most of them are wolves in sheep’s clothing and America is now beginning to see that we are fading into a third world country.

    Perry tried to tell us…but the MSM shut him down. Even Huntsman tried to correct Romney on China. Finally Newt Gingrich expressed anger…and we felt vindicated.

    Even Democrats have to pay at the pump. Class warfare is something that this country IS SICK AND TIRED OF. Romney personifies Obama’s argument against the Fat Cats…even though he is one himself.

    I think you will find that America is tired of Obama and while we do not have the perfect candidate (he’s gone)…Newt has proven he can get things done. Romney has not…excepting Romneycare.

  • naraht

    Largest circulation in the Bay area and has won Pullitzers within the last 5 years…

  • bonnman

    I can draw my own distinctions between Romney and Newt, immigration for example, but I was asking for someone else’s thoughts, to start a positive dialogue about policy, not just tearing both candidates down.

    NightTwister, next time add something useful to the conversation.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Sorry, I forgot the link.

  • heimdall

    Gallup has Newt at 48% to Obama at 50%. Mitt? Where is he at? Oh right, 48% to Obama at 50%. Likeability polling may change as all the polls people are quoting are old and before Newt’s surge, but it is showing that likeability is not all it is trumped up to be if people are supporting Newt AS EQUALLY AS MITT AGAINST OBAMA.

  • moodyboots

    Hey, conservatives hated Obama, so he lost the election on a landslide. Oh wait… I suppose you were one of the folks here supporting Christine O’Donnell because conservatives really liked her.

    Gingrich is liked by half of the GOP and despised by the rest of the country.

    Romney isn’t liked by anyone but he’s acceptable to 60% of the country.

    One of them can win; the other not so much.

  • bonnman

    or is it just as useless?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    for quite a while, you should be able to find these and more here.

    A Nation Like No Other: Why American Exceptionalism Matters by Newt Gingrich (Jun 13, 2011)

    To Try Men’s Souls: A Novel of George Washington and the Fight for American Freedom (George Washington 1) by Newt Gingrich, William R. Forstchen and Albert S. Hanser (Oct 20, 2009)

    To Save America: Stopping Obama’s Secular-Socialist Machine by Newt Gingrich (Jan 3, 2011)

    The Essential American: 25 Documents and Speeches Every American Should Own by Jackie Gingrich Cushman and Newt Gingrich (Nov 23, 2010)

    Rediscovering God in America by Newt Gingrich and Callista Gingrich (Nov 24, 2009)

    Real Change: The Fight for America’s Future by Newt Gingrich (Jun 15, 2009)

    Winning the Future: A 21st Century Contract With America by Newt Gingrich (May 1, 2006)

    Lessons Learned the Hard Way by Newt Gingrich (Apr 1998)

    Real Change: From the World That Fails to the World That Works by Newt Gingrich (Jan 15, 2008)

    Saving Lives & Saving Money by Newt Gingrich, Dana Pavey and Anne Woodbury (Sep 22, 2006)

    The Art of Transformation by Newt Gingrich (Nov 29, 2006)

    The New Reagan Revolution: How Ronald Reagan’s Principles Can Restore America’s Greatness by Michael Reagan, Jim Denney and Newt Gingrich (Jan 18, 2011)

    Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less: A Handbook for Slashing Gas Prices and Solving Our Energy Crisis by Newt Gingrich and Vince Haley (Sep 23, 2008)

    TO RENEW AMERICA by Newt Gingrich (1999)

    Winning the Long War: Retaking the Offensive against Radical Islam by Ilan Berman and Newt Gingrich (Aug 16, 2009)

    Given your comment, you’re obviously ignorant about the former Speaker’s prolific writing on matters of policy. These are a fairly small snippet of his writings. He also writes prolifically on history and has written several novels. He’s got more constructive and detailed ideas than the the combined efforts of all the Republicans and Democrats together in DC.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    that thinks wife beaters should have guns. Sorry, it’s really hard to take anything you say seriously.

  • avagreen

    He’s just as liberal as the next guy……..he’s only a fiscal conservative and his popularity as a TP/conserevative can be attributed to the echo-chamber effect of numerous conservative media pundits (sound familiar?) who are, for the most part, unaware of his actual record and take it upon themselves to promote him as a stalwart conservative for strategic political reasons.
    And, Gov. Christie?s cheerleaders who live outside of the Garden State and for the most part haven?t a clue to what really is going on in N.J.

    http://conservativenewjersey.com/the-myth-of-christie-conservatism-intro

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  • bonnman

    You’re just threadjacking

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Not my problem it’s lost on you.

  • SteveM

    Newt used to have called American Solutions. A lot of his book stuff was outlined there. Unfortunately, it’s not up anymore. I’ll do some more digging.

  • bonnman

    Just someone’s opinion on a specific policy or plan. Got one to share that you think will work?

    Me, I’m not sure how I feel about Newt offering a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants even if it is just for those brought here as children. I think it sends the wrong message by offering incentives for foreigners to try and enter illegally. Newt also calls for a path to “earned legality” because he feels deportation of all illegals is impractical. It falls short of making them citizens but what rights would they actually have if any? It also seems to call for Government expansion by requiring an agency, he doesn’t specify which one, would have to monitor the “earned legals” for English proficiency, employment status and the required private health care insurance coverage they will be required to have.

    See its not so hard.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Wow, You’re not only ignorant, you don’t even know how to do basic research. I spent just over a minute getting the following:

    From Space.com on December 13, 2011:

    Moderator George Stephanopoulos asked former front-runner Mitt Romney to name a few issues on which he disagreed with Gingrich, who has surged into the lead in Iowa and several other early-primary states.

    “Let’s see. We can start with his idea to have a lunar colony that would mine minerals from the moon,” Romney said. “I’m not in favor of spending that kind of money to do that.”

    In fact, mining on the moon may well be a necessity in the near future. The current source of many rare earth metals that are necessary in our national defense are available only in China, and they recently have begun restricting export of those metals.

    Interestingly enough, even the greenies are pushing it as a possibility.

    So, bottom line, it’s not so far fetched, and may well be an excellent strategy in just a very few years.

  • Common_Cents

    Just like Pawlenty when he tried to talk tough. You cannot morph into the style of Gingrich, Trump, Giuliani, Christie etc….

    You have to be yourself and play to your strengths style wise or you’ll be spotted as a phony.

    Newt is Newt.

    Romney is a chameleon that actually doesn’t even change colors, even though he tries.

  • bonnman

    thats your choice. As a strong supporter of gun rights I don’t agree with you. Misrepresent my position and call me all the names you want but I don’t see it your way. I don’t see the logic in losing your 2nd Amendment rights for a misdemeanor.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Consider yourself Franz Ruled.

  • bluerose75

    Alert Camp Romney: “with the recent fall off the Grand Canyon on of the greatest mystery solvers of all tiime as agrees to join your team from the afterlife to investigate and GIVE YOU A CLUE!!”

    Sherlock: “Mr. Romney I must say…took a drubbing did you? Well I noticed your band of brothers and overpaid consultants have advised you to go rather postal in Florida on your competition a Mr. Gingrich”

    Mitt: “I love America…I spent most of my life in private practice…I know how to create jobs.”

    Sherlock: “Yes…Yes…did I not see that in commercial back in the year of our lord 2006?”

    Mitt: “I love America…I spent most of my private life in private practice…I know how to create jobs.”

    Sherlock: “Yes…I seem to know that sir but quite frankly and dastardly no one seems to like you…well at least when they REALLY get to know you and your record!”

    Mitt: “I love America….I spent most of my private life in private practive…I know how to create jobs.”

    Sherlock: “But I noticed in your governance sir a distinct similarity to the Labour Party in England…I thought you claim to be a conservative?”

    Mitt: “I love America…..I spent most of my private life in private practice…..I know how to create jobs.”

    Sherlock: “Sir it is my conclusion the programs such as your Romneycare, increase in taxes to take monies from the private citizen, judges that are left of the centre and monies for organizations that support abortion would disqualify you in the UK from being a conservative!”

    Mitt: “I love America…I spent most of my private life in private practice…I know how to create jobs.”

    Sherlock: “Sir really I do think you need a clue! Your premise is founded on a faulty and clearly ignorant foundation. One cannot be perceived as a conservative whence one has governed elsewise. Therefore those that are truly conservative I conclude will not support you for they do not need a clue to see the real you!!”

    Sherlock: “Darn those relevant facts…they get in the way of running a deceptive campaign do they not? Maybe someone from the Party can help you….Oh Right!! My mind slipped they already are!”

  • wrightdjohn

    The fact that you point at Huntsman and Pawlenty as conservatives definitely indicates to me you don’t know what a conservative is.

    Romney is no conservative. Not even close. Newt is a moderate conservative. I take Newt.

  • lizzie

    in response to a Floridian who is begging for a solution he can not get because he is current on his mortgage payments,

    just like me – using my savings to be responsible when I want an easy interest rate adjustment (from 6-3/8 down to 4%) so I can use the extra $300 per month to properly maintain my house instead of supporting Bank of America’s profit, which they get because they can borrow at 0% from the Fed.

    Romney wants to make the foreclosure process more efficient.

    I now have to sell my very small house in a very desirable and underbuilt location, and lucky enough to have enough equity to lose (about $70,000 of equity in a $200,000 house) so I can do that, when what I really want to do is walk away and mail the key to Bank of America.

    I am too responsible to to do that. Just refuse to use any more of my savings here in the land of Romneycare. Third biggest mistake of my life was buying this house for retirement, before the doctor shortage became a crisis.

    .

  • lizzie

    in response to a Floridian who is begging for a solution he can not get because he is current on his mortgage payments,

    just like me – using my savings to be responsible when I want an easy interest rate adjustment (from 6-3/8 down to 4%) so I can use the extra $300 per month to properly maintain my house instead of supporting Bank of America’s profit, which they get because they can borrow at 0% from the Fed.

    Romney wants to make the foreclosure process more efficient.

    I now have to sell my very small house in a very desirable and underbuilt location, and lucky enough to have enough equity to lose (about $70,000 of equity in a $200,000 house) so I can do that, when what I really want to do is walk away and mail the key to Bank of America.

    I am too responsible to to do that. Just refuse to use any more of my savings here in the land of Romneycare. Third biggest mistake of my life was buying this house for retirement, before the doctor shortage became a crisis.

    .

  • lizzie

    just because some of us are still registered dems does not make us Pelosi liberals.

    Pelosi and Obama threw away their majority by throwing away the fiscal conservatives, the Blue Dogs.

    I WANT to vote GOP again, but I will not even protest vote with Romney.

    You think anyone wants – add all the reasons why Republicans want ABR.

    No wonder more than half the voters want a third party.

    I will happily vote for Gingrich, and I remember the 1990′s very well – and could care less about Newt’s alleged baggage. Just like Dems today seem to have forgotten about all of Clinton’s baggage.

    we remember plenty of jobs and budget surpluses. and a president who was articulate and passionate about a few things other than other women.

    these litmus tests are killing America.

    leadership is NOT about litmus tests.

  • courdeleon02

    Newt knows how to harness the intense anger that most of us have for the Obama administration. In our zeal to see someone wipe the floor with Obama we have lost our minds. Newt says he will debate the President 7 times 3 hours at a clip.That is utterly ridiculous. Obama may even refuse to debate him since that is Newt?s greatest weapon. Obama will fill the airwaves with negative ads highlighting Newt?s excess baggage. Newt won?t know what hit him when it is all over. Unfortunately the base seems to be rallying around the most flawed candidate in the field. The campaign will not be about jobs or the economy it will end up being about the character of Newt which we all know is highly questionable. Just ask his fellow House members who through him out.If this Newt mania continues we can expect to be destroyed by a landslide such as 1964 when Goldwater led us off the cliff.

  • bk

    For the most part…

    If Romney is the nominee, people in the base will hold their nose and vote for him, because more than anything they’ll want to say, “Bye bye Barack!”

    If Newt is the nominee, the establishment will do everything they can to sabotage him, because more they anything they’ll want to say, “We told you he was unelectable.”

  • bk

    The base is desperate for someone not running as the Democrat Lite candidate. We tried that in 2008.

  • swi2522

    that tell me he might be the guy to go to washington kick some a$$

    i want his so P.O. when he gets to washington he takes a chain saw to all their budgets ans eliminates half the government agencies

    i heard his victory speech and i like what i heard as a conservative i just hope its not BS

  • SoFiMil

    that ran then or in 2012.

  • swi2522

    is the younger version of mcconnell

  • katem

    I agree that Romney is no conservative. Just saying that Gingrich has flipflopped as often as Romney. And Newt’s baggage is a real problem in the general election if not the primaries. As George Will said, going from Mitt to Newt is going from bad to worse.

    Huntsman and Pawlenty have been far more consistent and reliable conservatives. Plus they do not have the baggage that Newt has. They are electable, qualified and capable of governing. Newt led the revolution in 1994 but, once he attained the speakership, had trouble governing effectively.

    If, as some in the media predict, Romney loses Florida and the party leadership pressures him to get out so that someone else can parachute in, I hope both the leadership and the base will think long-term, not short-term. Too many of us are caught up with the idea of Newt debating Obama, which is only a small part of the general election. We need a candidate who can (1) win and (2) govern. We have passed over some good candidates, to our detriment, and now we’re stuck with two very weak frontrunners.

  • katem

    has been used so frequently and directed at so many Republicans that it has been rendered almost meaningless. These 3 men are FAR from being RINOs. All of them are conservatives and are with the base on most issues. As Reagan said, someone who is with you 80% of the time is an ally.

    Pawlenty’s support of Mitt after getting out of the race doesn’t erase his record. He simply chose the candidate he thought had the best chance to defeat Obama. As for Huntsman, he supports civil unions, not gay marriage, and made clear he wasn’t about to advocate spending substantial amounts on efforts directed at global warming. Daniels didn’t walk back his prolife position but stated that economic issues should be emphasized in order for the GOP to defeat Obama. He’s right — the economy and jobs are the driving issues in this election.

    Gingrich has taken plenty of non-conservative positions on issues.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And he’s also one of the two most successful conservative Governors in the country. And, he’s solidly supported by every RtL organization in Indiana.

  • eruthk

    I have a long memory, I liked Newt the first time around and I always thought he got a raw deal. And I still like Newt, though sometimes he has annoyed me. He has flaws and he has his baggage, as well as brilliance and eloquence and I think the former will matter less than you think. It might even be a plus, Newt is never going to try to base his campaigin on the notion that he is some sort of God-like Messiah who can heal planets and calm tides. I like that!

  • eruthk

    Is what you meant to say that McCain didn’t even bring a knife to the gun fight?

  • vangoghssister

    of the probable answer and that is few really care. Sarah Palin was an unknown, it was easy for the MSM to make up awful things to distract voters with. By the time they were proven untrue, they’d had time to make up some other equally awful and untrue issue. With Gingrich, his dirty laundry has been hung out in public for years, all of it, so there’s nothing new to drag out. They’ll try, but I think it will backfire and make them appear even more irrelevant than they already are. Gingrich has been my second choice all along, after Perry. It’s precisely because I know what I’m getting. Romney makes me uncomfortable, he’s creepy…creepy like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. You know there’s something in there, you just don’t know exactly what it is or what it’ll do. Huge ick factor in a lot of ways.

  • icesweeper

    .

  • yea37ey

    It’s amazing what so-called Reagan Conservatives will forgive and forget . Forgive and forget Newt’s record asd speaker , having an affair while leading impeachment efforts , supporting the idea of climate change , calling Ryan’s plan right wing social enginering and bashing capitalism for over two weeks . These are the actions of a Reagan Conservative ? What happened to purity ? Was all that talk about a True Conservative candidate just that ? Nothing but regugitated slop from the so-called leaders of this new conservative movement like Rush , Sean , Glenn and Erick ? Romney , to his credit , has never claimed be be a Reagan Conservative . Is that why the forementioned leadership don’t like him ? Or is it because Romney would not go down on bended knee , kiss their rings and ask for their blessing . Some on thuis board love to tell all who reads their posts that just like the new consevative leadership , they hate Republicans More than Democrats . Here is a little hint for somr of you . Rush , Sean , Glenn and Erick thank God everyday for “Establishment Republicans “.The more they rant about them , the more people will watch read and listen tothem . Hence , the more money goes into their pockets . Move over Romney , you got competition on the greed front .

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    The MSM (actually most media) misses the truth about independent voters in the middle that is almost laughable i.e. “they won’t vote for a conservative”. The truth is independent voters could for the most part aren’t all that concerned with a candidates ideology. They voted for a very conservative Ronald Reagan and would today, they voted for a very left Barack Obama, they wouldn’t vote for John Kerry. In a race involving an incumbent only comes down to two issues: 1) The incumbents record 2) The likeability of both candidates. Simply put, independent voters will not vote for an angry candidate they don’t like or a no personality stiff they don’t like over a President they generally like. Take this to mean that all of Romney, Santorum and Gingrich all essentially unelectable not due to their ideology but because voters simply don’t like them. I believe EE essentially knows this and is reversing his earlier statements on Gingrich in the hope of a brokered convention. There is a room for a compromise here. If the Republican nominee is high on the likeable scale regardless of that candidates ideology then the election is about Barack Obama’s record and that is a loser for David Axelrod. Let’s work to find a small, government conservative who is also likeable and send Barack Obama to the employment line. Our job is ensuring that none of the candidates reach the convention with enough votes to win the nomination (heck Newt winning Florida might be enough to bring the Washington establishment to the table).

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I mean lets send Barack Obama to the unemployment line…a Mitt Romney moment.

  • http://www.RightonMainSt.com Mike Merrill

    It’s not a big surprise that Mitt isn’t doing better in Florida, despite a fairly massive ad spend that’s going on as we speak. You can’t watch FOX News in FL for more than 15 minutes without seeing a Mitt ad. That said, it won’t be enough. Mitt’s decision to go negative on Newt won’t win him voters. At best, all he can hope for is to drive a few Newt supports to Santorum, while could be a net positive for him. I can’t see that strategy working, though. Trashing Newt won’t make voters like Mitt.

  • davesinsanantonio

    star in the NBA. But, not likely.

    Neither is his becoming a true conservative, or even pretending to be. And certainly not begging forgiveness from the very people who should be begging his forgiveness for not crowning him king fast enough.

    And, the base of the party will also not be sucked in by some phoney pretense at contrition and conversion. Let it rest. Romney will not be the nominee.

  • mainstreamconservative

    (Sorry – couldn’t resist.) :)

  • ctredstater

    I have a good friend who might be a decent “test case” for how Newt might play in a general – is a registered independent who typically but not always votes for Dems. she is genuinely horrified at Obama, but looks at the Republican field with some skepticism, but also some hope she might find someone she can feel good voting for.

    she briefly liked Cain before the meltdown. She refers to Mitt as the “Stepford Candidate”. Now Newt has come along – and she said to me that she thinks of him as a “Republican Bill Clinton”. to her this means an extremely intelligent, highly energetic, very knowledgeable person who is disorganized, personally flawed but just might be a pretty good president.

    Newt can talk without notes or teleprompter on virtually any subject at a moment’s notice. People know who he is – that he has been a national player for years. My sense is that there is an opening for Newt to continue to make his case – and he does have that “crossover language” – explaining conservative policies in terms most people at least understand and many can admire.

    This campaign is still in flux – and will be for months. I am pulling for Newt to step up to the historic moment, grow up, and become the best leader he could be. I still will pine for “what if’s” about Perry, my guy. but his bottom line – too many gaffes early on, and an inability to become believably electable.

    The race is interesting, if nothing else. and I see a “route to victory” for the movement and the country.

  • circlegranch

    Mr. Romney claimed last night that he doesn’t support ethanol subsidies. Good thing he held that card in his hand till he got out of Iowa. The ethanol lobby spent alot of money in IA on his behalf.

    While its been reported that Mitt donated the bulk of his inheritance from his dad to the Mormon Church, he’s coming across a bit disingenuous now claiming he’s a self-made man and he’s only where he is based on his own business dealings. Being his father’s son obviously opened alot of early doors for him that he’d never gotten to knock on had his last name been something else. MSNBC is claiming this morning that his wealth and 15% tax rate actually makes him a poster boy for tax reform….its not his fault he pays so little in taxes! Of course, they’ll sing a quite different tune in the fall when they paint him as a greedly 1% -er.

    The take-away’s from last night are that Brian Willams made sure the audience didn’t have impact and that Newt did not get any big applause. Mitt can’t have it both ways on ethanol and it would be nice if he’d get called out about it. Mitt said in an earlier debate that he was not born poor and if that is the type of candidate America is looking for, then he’s not our guy. Now he’s trying to distance himself from his background, won’t release tax returns other than the last 2 years, and is trying to reframe himself as a guy that started with nothing and did well for himself.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Plenty of housing here and good prices.
    Plenty of doctors here because of tort reform.
    You won’t have to shovel the sunshine in the winter.
    Really good barbeque.
    Really good Tex-Mex.
    Really good roads in most places.
    No state income tax.
    Gas prices lower than most other places.
    A really good governor.
    A very conservative populace, except Austin and Houston, and couple of other cities.
    Did I mention really good barbeque?

  • danandsis

    Mitt has been newtered in the debates to the point that his attempt to morph into a attacking pit bull looks a phony as a three dollar bill.

  • rockytop9

    Oakster you are very correct in your assessment when Newt is president. That is where we come in. Our roll as patriots is to keep kicking their butts on capital hill, our job as patriots has just begun. We can’t simply sit down thinking that the job is done. We have much to do.

  • michaelbowler

    Said it since this process started. Mitt is not the kind of republican who will garner the votes of the TEA Party groups…he can’t get accross the finish line without them.. So few understand that it requires real passion to get the vote out for a candidate, many simply will not exhibit that passion for Romney.

    When the general election comes, the TEA Party groups that installed the republicans in 2010, will remember the RINOs and what they have failed to do. This will translate to lukewarm efforts on their part, at best. Not a winning situation.

  • mhorner

    The number one thing our next President needs is character, integrity and a proven track record. Newt has none of these traits. One trait that he does have that should worry everyone is his extreme narcissism. I have attended the last three CPACs and Newt loves to have the “Rocky” theme playing as he makes an extremely grand entrance walking through the crowd. He also makes Al Gore look like a humble man when he acts like he was the architect of the boom years in the 80s and 90s instead of the real architect, Ronald Reagan. Many of us have been divorced, but Newt showed almost no compassion or manly honor in the way he treated these women. Also, Newt has not shown any executive ability. Even his own staff talk about his “All Over the Map” style of management. His supporters forget that he was run out of DC as the result of severe ethical and management problems. Finally, he is a grumpy old white man similar to Bob Dole and John McCain. I’m sure Obama and the Dems are licking their chops at the prospect of facing Newt.

  • docnick

    I have in mind replacing as many on Capitol Hill as possible. There are 70 new ones there now and I would like to double that number with ‘newbies’ in November…. So its not really going to be the same one with the same mind set. Ron

  • In The Hook

    Inspired the base and won us a bunch of House seats. They also cost us a few Senate seats in DE, CO and NV. You take the good with the bad and all things considered, it was certainly for the good in ’10.

    As for the “passion,” I’m with you but you well know that conservatives are going to come out in force to vote against Obama no matter who our nominee is. I doubt they’ll be inspired to light up a phone bank for Romney, but the guy already has an organization. I don’t think he desperately needs that.

  • In The Hook

    That he made Clinton sympathetic and earned him a second term, failed to deliver any new seats in the ’98 election and got himself kicked OUT of his job as Speaker. Yeah man, Newt’s a regular Blood N Guts Patton.

  • APA Guy

    You want moral…a good husband? Vote Obama…by all accounts a terrific husband and father.

    You mentioned a track record…how about a BALANCED budget? Not a cut deficit…a BALANCED BUDGET.

    How about dragging Clinton into welfare reform? How about DOMA?

    How about capital gains tax cuts that led to millions of jobs?

    How about .99/gallon gasoline at the height of the greatest economic expansion in this nation’s history?

    I am sick of self-righteous people on our side acting as though we need Billy Graham as our candidate. We have two choices in this election: a liberal, Eastern establishment elitist in Romney and a former House Speaker and brilliant, accomplished historian in Newt Gingrich.

    I’m done being polite to Gingrich bashers. Your entire comment reeks of your disdain for Gingrich personally (no humility, his marriage, blah blah blah) rather than his ability to address the nation’s most pressibng problems (economy…economy…ECONOMY). Think about the country for a change.

  • avgjo

    Bob Dole + H. Ross ‘the idiot’ Perot = Clinton’s 2nd term.

    Gingrich got kicked out by many of the same GOP morons that gave us ‘compassionate conservatism’ and a huge debt, culminating in Obama.

  • avgjo

    What bothers me most about these people is that many claim to be Christians but seem to have a problem with ‘forgive and forget’. And what you said about voting for Obama, right on the mark.

  • gettingsl

    In last night’s debate Romney started the “I can reach across the aisle” nonsense that McCain ran on. When they are so busy reaching across the aisle they are turning their back on me. It’s a stupid argument as to why they should be nominated/elected. And it tells me Romney has in mind more the same ol’ crap from DC, just a slightly more republican version.

    Gingrich is the only person who is speaking to the issues that fired up the heart of Americans who went to the 9-12 rally in Washington and went to Washington over and over again ( at considerable personal expense of time and money) to stop the healthcare bill, cap and trade, etc. And those people are seriously tuned in now and not willing to take what the msm and the pundits tell us is the right guy to run. We will know who the right person is when we hear what they say and then have to gauge on whether or not we believe them.

  • Juggernaut

    Couldn’t agree more, these types and the I won’t vote should get over it as the people want results.

  • APA Guy

    I guess the GOP bears no responsibility for that election…we only voted for the guy.

    Newt has a track record of public policy success:

    -BALANCED budget… Not a cut deficit…a BALANCED BUDGET.

    - dragging Clinton into welfare reform kicking and screaming

    - DOMA

    - capital gains tax cuts that led to millions of jobs

    - .99/gallon gasoline at the height of the greatest economic expansion in this nation’s history

    Oh, and as for those seats he failed to deliver, check Romney’s track record on that in MA. I think you’ll find Newt’s is far more impressive

  • APA Guy

    Did he cheat on US? How narcissistic can a person be to expect forgiveness for one man’s actions relative to HIS wife, not ours?

    I want someone who can take this nation’s economy from the miserable toilet it finds itself in now and move it back to the path to prosperity, not an altar boy. Last I checked, Newt was at the helm in congress (where everything budgetary is decided for the most part) the last time we sniffed unprecidented economic prosperity. I’ll trust him before father-of-the-year Obama and liberal Mitt Romney any day.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    What made Clinton sympathetic was the impeachment. It was that exercise in stupidity that stopped the Clinton agenda from going down the toilet. \\And, avgjo is absolutely right.

  • avgjo

    I think people have trouble distinguishing being offended by somebody’s actions and having actual offense committed against them.

    Look, when the whole Bain thing happened, I argued that people have a right to decide whether they approve. The same is true of Gingrich. The difference to me is that the Bain issue, combined with Romney’s history of flipping, raises questions of whether Romney would, for instance, repeal obamacare. Newt, for all his problems, seems to be a Christian and has a good record of ACHIEVEMENT. I trust him to work to get Obamacare destroyed.

    I might add one more thing: many on the ‘right’ talk conservative and govern liberal. Newt does the opposite. He’s like the guy that is rude to your face and cool about you behind your back. It’s refreshing.

  • In The Hook

    At Gingrich’s true-blue conservatism that they felt they just had to kick him out. Pretty sure it had everything to do with his complete failure to lead.

    Guys again, if this were a race between Romney and someone like Perry and the screed was “Perry’s too conservative, we need to vote Romney,” I’d be lining up with you and saying that’s ridiculous and we don’t need to water down conservatism to win. That’s not our choice here.

    As for the balanced budget and gasoline, now you’re just projecting things onto Gingrich. The balanced budget was a product of several things. One, the tech boom. Two, modest spending reductions coupled with welfare reform. And three… HIGHER TAXES. So now we’re trumpeting higher taxes because it balanced the budget? I’m pretty sure right now we’re all fighting against any and all tax increases and saying we can cut our way to a balanced budget.

    Clinton was not dragged into welfare reform kicking and screaming. He triangulated the heck out of the situation and was all in favor of welfare reform after ’94. And he promised to “end welfare as we know it” in his ’92 campaign! Let’s not revise history here…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

    Gasoline prices had nothing whatsoever to do with Gingrich or Clinton or any public policy. It was the product of a thoroughly depressed energy market that lasted from the 1980s through the early 2000s. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_oil_glut

    DOMA was not controversial whatsoever and passed with a broad majority.

    I’m not going to deny that Gingrich was tireless in his efforts with GOPAC and didn’t do some good for our party in its history. I’m saying he’s a gigantic risk with not a great reward. If we’re going to take a big swing, we should do it with a Daniels or Pawlenty or Perry or Jindal. You know, a conservative who can actually lead.

    Oh, and as for Romney’s history, I concede that his track record in MA wasn’t great but he bankrolled a ton of Tea Party candidates in ’10. That’s worth something.

  • dfiwatcher

    So, you dislike Romney more than Obama, but the so called “Republican Base” hasn’t come up with a viable alternative that has a legitimate chance of defeating Obama in the general election. Great job!

  • In The Hook

    We prospered in the 1990s because we created an entirely new segment of the economy. It had nothing to do with governmental policy whatsoever.

    Oh, and as I wrote above, we raised taxes in the 1990s. Sounds like a great blueprint for our present day situation.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’ll give you – for sake of argument only – the assumption that everything you’ve typed is absolutely right.

    As of today, Santorum is around 10% and sinking. His debate performance was underwhelming. He is going to spend the better part of the next seven days defending his “no exception for rape” comment in relation to his push for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion (which will never,ever happen – look at the numbers). The guy is toast.

    We’re now down to Romney and Newt. Romney’s taxes are going to be a huge problem for him and while Newt has lots of baggage, it’s mostly been aired out long ago. He’s currently ahead and rising in Florida and I’d say he’s better than 50/50 to win the nomination.

    Now for the important part. It’s November of 2012. You walk into the voting booth and stare at a ballot and under “Presidential” you get to choose between Obama, Newt and probably some minor candidate or two. What do you do?

  • In The Hook

    I don’t think anyone denies that. But past actions are generally good indications of future behavior. I’m not attacking Gingrich on his personal life, though I do find it both hilarious and sad that we’re acting like Democrats here in giving all of this stuff a pass but hold Anthony Weiner’s feet to the fire.

    I’m noting his past behavior in positions of leadership. He did a decent job in stirring up the hopes of our side that we could retake the House majority. He did good work for GOPAC. He followed through on votes for Contract With America legislation.

    And then he destroyed the party’s image in the government shutdown showdown with Clinton. He got strung up on ethics charges. He lost the confidence of our caucus. And he eventually got run out of town.

    Then after leaving ton he’s vacillated as much if not more than Romney on a host of issues including global warming and Social Security and Medicare. He advocated for the prescription drug plan, blasted NY-29 conservatives for not falling in line behind Scozzafava, lobbied for Freddie Mac, ripped Ryan for his bold plan and then turned around and scolded everybody in the GOP for not thinking big enough.

    It’s just crazy to me that we want to accept all the negatives with Newt when there aren’t that many positives, except that he likes to throw the base red meat and rip up moderators. He satiates our desire for liberal blood and Romney doesn’t. No matter the fact that he’s far from an across the board conservative as long as he knows what buttons to push in a primary debate.

    Lunacy. Just lunacy.

  • In The Hook

    But it will probably be heavily slanted towards the Dems if we decide to cut our own throats.

  • texastaxpayer

    Let them live with their decision, no freakin BarBQ for them…..
    ;)

  • avgjo

    agree to disagree.

    For me, it’s simple. The establishment GOP hates Gingrich and the dims hate him. He must have done something right, ’cause neither of those groups do it for me.

  • avgjo

    agree to disagree.

    For me, it’s simple. The establishment GOP hates Gingrich and the dims hate him. He must have done something right, ’cause neither of those groups do it for me.

  • texastaxpayer

    ;)
    LOL…

  • In The Hook

    It’s tempting. I get it. And I’d be with you if the establishment hated Gingrich because they thought he was too conservative to win a la Reagan. But that’s not the case and you’re projecting here.

    The establishment was scared of Perry because they thought he was too conservative to win the general. It’s scared of Gingrich because they think he’s got too much baggage and is way too unstable to win the general and in fact will get us all killed. And even if he doesn’t, they’re scared he’ll repeat his major errors and be a totally ineffective and unorganized president. But those are terribly long odds to begin with.

    The Dems don’t really hate him any more than say, we hate Harry Reid. It’s not like Reid is a super effective majority leader but we still don’t like him anyway.

  • avgjo

    Again, re: the establishment. These are the same genii that gave us ‘compassionate conservatism’ and Obama. They booted out a guy that presided over a balanced budget and welfare reform, inter alia. And you can argue that he had little directly to do, but Obama’s tenure has taught us that the Federal government can wreck the private industry, and Texas teaches us that a government staying out of the way of its people can preside over a thriving economy. Newt apparently did something right.

    The establishment also thinks we shouldn’t go after Obama personally. Remember that call yahoo reported on with that goofus Reince Priebus? Their judgement is flawed, and so to me personally meaningless. It doesn’t matter to me exactly why they’re concerned about Gingrich. With their record of failure, their opinion as to what/who works and doesn’t means nothing to me.

    It is conventional wisdom that a Gingrich presidency is a long shot. When that same CV was calling his nomination a long shot, I was telling people to watch him. I believe the same about his presidency. But hey, we’ll know in a few short months.

  • APA Guy

    Cutting capital gains taxes led to increased investments in the PRIVATE SECTOR…so yes, public policy positively impacted the private-sector tech boom (among others) of the 90s. Newt spearheaded this as Speaker.

  • Juggernaut

    of Romney. Mitt hired Charlie Christs campaign staff, the one that Senator Marco Rubio’s team whipped and Newt Hired Rubio’s team so FL is Newt’s to lose.

  • Ann_W

    I don’t know what the answer is, but really good points.

    Trying not to blame Mrs. Daniels.

  • ballawana13

    I will support whoever is against 0bama in November. Could be Mickey Mouse and I would support him over the lying radical socialist 0bama.

    That being said, I will not supporting either Romney nor Gingrich unless one of them is the last one standing against 0bama and then they get my full support. Romney has big problems overcoming his RomneyCare is the basis for 0bamaCare healthcare socialism, his stand on life (he has supported abortions) and his stand on gun ownership (he has supported various bans on guns).

    Newt has ethical problems with the way he has treated his ex-wives, as well as sitting with Nancy Pelosi on bogus global warming. He is a consummate debater, although I am not sure he is really a conservative.

    I support Rick Santorum but I don’t believe he can be elected this year.

    The engative campaigning should stop or be revised to go against 0bama as there is so much that he now has on his record.

    #1 goal in November has to be to unseat 0bama and Reid as Senate majority leader.

  • eheassler

    Gingrich hasn’t had much support from those who served with him during his days as Speaker. He is a man with flaws, but he is smart and after all these years has managed to keep himself in the game as well as be relevant. He knows how the Congress works, knows the players and the written and unwritten rules of the game. Should he become President, he will have the support of Senate and House Republicans. They don’t have to like him. They will support him because their success will largely be tied to his. Where they will be most effective is, in private, let Newt know when his worst ideas are too goofy to make pigs fly and support his good ones.

  • In The Hook

    If the payoff is something better than Newt Gingrich. Roll the dice with Perry or Jindal or Daniels. If those choices are unavailable, go with your head and not your heart. That’s my philosophy anyway.

  • In The Hook

    Is that he couldn’t get over his wife’s misgivings. I mean dude, she LEFT YOU for another guy, you took her back and then you roll over for her when she says don’t run for president? That’s weak, really weak.

    But Pi Over Three has it right here. We were considering Cain? We’re really considering Newt now? It’s a circus clown and a bomb thrower that is just as likely to blow us up or Romney. It’s a terrible, terrible choice. But it’s not Romney’s fault that Perry was unprepared or Jindal, Daniels, Christie and Ryan all passed on a run. Or that GWB ruined the Bush name and prevented Jeb from getting in.

  • In The Hook

    The establishment is right about that. We should go after his record, which is dismal, not his character. Why? Because attacking his character or busting out “radical” lines is not going to appeal to the center. His favorability is still fairly high even as his job approval is mired in the mid-40s. Why not just play to what voters believe?

    Tell them that Obama is a decent human being but he wants to reshape America in ways that they don’t want and that he’s failing in his job as president. Oh, and here’s an unthreatening guy with a good business background. What do you say, America?

    Establishment folks who think we should play with kid gloves are wrong, but they are right about the areas to hit. I say when the general comes around, hit Obama and hit him hard. But hit him on his record. Punch him in the face and the stomach, but no low blows. Low blows will only serve to boost his favorability ratings and hurt our side. There are plenty of very soft targets when it comes to his record.

  • ihateliberals

    Even with allof Newts negatives he is stil better than Obama or Romney. Romney gets more like Obama every day. in the Debate he wasn’t selling Romney he was trying to defame Gingrich, It’s the old game of “if I can’t win then no one is going too”. The press loves Romney because they know what we all know and that is Romney can’t beat Obama. the leftist press is in total disbelief when a Republican wins office. They cn’t understand why anyone would support the Right. When a conservative Republican is wining the Press doesn’t want any thing to do with that story if they can help it. When people are turning awy for the Left the go bananas.

  • ihateliberals

    Even with allof Newts negatives he is stil better than Obama or Romney. Romney gets more like Obama every day. in the Debate he wasn’t selling Romney he was trying to defame Gingrich, It’s the old game of “if I can’t win then no one is going too”. The press loves Romney because they know what we all know and that is Romney can’t beat Obama. the leftist press is in total disbelief when a Republican wins office. They cn’t understand why anyone would support the Right. When a conservative Republican is wining the Press doesn’t want any thing to do with that story if they can help it. When people are turning awy for the Left the go bananas. You have to remember here that Romney is a Liberal republican and to the Press that is almost as good as bing a Democrat.

  • snappy101

    I keep saying over and over, the Republican establishment media in the NY/DC corridor does not seem to understand that people will not vote for someone they are forcing down our throats. If Romney is not the eventual candidate it is because the mouthpieces on Fox News treated him like the Inevitable Mitt Romney before Iowa even voted. Over and over the mantra was Romney is the only one who can beat Obama and once they said it enough times, the polls reflected it. Then they pointed to Obama versus each GOP candidate and said something akin to, “See only Romney can beat Obama,” to fulfull the prophecy.

    The truth is they think we’re stupid. They’ll deny it, of course, but anyone who watches the panelists on Bret Baier’s show or the panelists on Chris Wallace’s shows or the analysts on all of the FNC shows knows that Romney, before Iowa voted, had 25 percent and FNC reported that he was treading water. That was when the Republican Machine (FNC and NY Big Money are part of that Machine) was still wooing all of those other candidates. When the last girl said “no” to their proposal they settled on Romney with an FNC Love Bomb. Still with the same 25 percent he had before they courted all of their other potential brides, all of a sudden he was Inevitable Mitt Romney and the greatest thing since sliced bread and if you don’t believe us, here’s another northeastern governor from across the river telling you the same thing. Nobody had voted yet. Nothing had changed. The flip flopping hadn’t even stopped. They all just decided for us and figured we’d go along.

    When Romney supposedly won Iowa and then his home state of New Hampshire, they were already measuring the drapes in the White House for him. I’m telling you, they shifted gears to General Election talk for a day or two until they found out Romney didn’t actually win Iowa. There was very little talk about how many committed delegates he actually had versus what was needed because that would have shown other candidates had a chance.

    If you want to know “code talk” how about that southeastern SC was probably too dumb to see the light and lets get past SC and on to Florida pronto where people are more diverse. That diverse part is code talk for “there are more former northeasterners living there.” No mention that Romney had given Nikki Haley $42,000 when she ran for governor. No, it was just conservative Nikki Haley getting on the Romney train and what’s wrong with the rest of us conservatives. Can’t we see that the flip flopping flounder on the dock is conservative, too, if Nikki Haley backs him? They pushed the evangelical angle, too, until SC overwhelmingly voted for the adulterer.

    Still, didn’t occur to them that this was a backlash against them. They are bubble boys. They live and work among others just like them. They don’t have a clue. They look at their data and every once in awhile when they aren’t interviewing New Yorkers walking by their office building, venture into big cities in other states but they never take a ride to suburbia or rural America and talk to people when they are in those flyover states. If the numbers don’t say it, the sentiment simply doesn’t exist.

    Let me ask the FNC analysts/panelists an open question. If we saw the slobbering love affair the liberal national news media had for Obama in 2008, what makes you think we wouldn’t pick up on your slobbering love affair and rebel?

  • red_oakster

    If Romney loses Florida, some of the establishment types will start looking to spread their bets. Erick noted that Santorum already is receiving some money from establishment sources. He can stay in through Super Tuesday, maybe a bit longer. Santorum also is going to want to try his hand in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

    Newt is not on the ballot in several states and is going to yield a bunch of delegates to Romney by default. Meanwhile Paul is going to steal bits and pieces of the delegate pie in the small caucus states.

    Mitt meanwhile is going to win his fair share in places like Nevada and Arizona, where there are large Mormon populations, or Michigan, where he grew up.

    Not a single delegate is pledged after the first ballot, and a bunch aren’t even pledged on the first.

    If you are an establishment operator, I think you add all of this up and come up with something along these lines:

    “I’ll do what I can to help Romney, but if this loser manages to blow three of the first four contests, I’ll focus on preventing Newt from getting to 50% plus one before the convention. Because if Newt hasn’t won the delegates he needs before the convention, he isn’t going to be the nominee. A brokered convention will need to be a compromise between the tea party and the establishment, and Newt is not a compromise. Jindal, Ryan, Jeb Bush, Rubio, McDonnell-these are the kinds of possible compromises you might see. and I can live with one of these guys. In the meantime, no way do I help clear the field and help Newt consolidate anti-Romney votes.”

    That’s how I see the establishment reacting.

  • hls87

    The name Bush has been synonymous with progressive Republican since W’s Great Grandfather Samuel served on Wilson’s War Industries Board. The name was ruined when Prescott Bush got his start in CT politics as an activist for Planned Parenthood. It was already covered with mud when GHWB coined the phrase “voodoo economics.” The Bush family may, one day, produce a conservative, but there’s no reason to expect it and every reason to shun any candidate with that ill-fated surname.

  • avgjo

    (b) they are unprincipled squishes who vote their pocketbooks. In this, Obama’s in trouble.

    We SHOULD go after him personally; he is his policies. He is a Marxist radical and the problem is that the brilliant Establishment of the GOP has not done its job informing the public of this. They’re scared to speak against him because he’s black.

    It can’t honestly be said Obama is a decent human being. Aside from all of the degenerates he associates with (‘tell who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are’), there is plenty in his autobiographies and last three years in office to show otherwise.

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  • stardustsara

    you are absolutely incorrect. everyone i know here in florida likes romney, they just don’t think he is conservative enough. this is good for romney because in a general election he can get the moderates, independents and democrats. my niece and her husband (who loved obama) are voting for romney because they know he will be the most effective as president. i was a died in the wool conservative until i see how the tea party is trying to ruin the republican party. it is a disgrace. conservatives are not going to elect the president – just not enough of them, and to try to ruin this election by insisting on a very conservative candidate will guarantee obama the election. shame on this party.

  • hls87

    He has plenty of ideas, most of them bad, but no ideology. Romney has core beliefs, he just can’t share them with us because if he did most of us would turn away in disgust. Newt has no core beliefs apart from the unshakeable faith that Newt Gingrich should be (and is) really, really important.

    We’ve already determined that the GOP has no interest in nominating a conservative. We are seeing that many Republicans want a candidate who can impersonate a conservative more convinicingly than Mitt Romney. But ultimately, Newt’s impersonation gives us all the downside of nominating a genuine firebrand and none of the advantages. Newt, like Mitt, is thoroughly a creature of the establishment and gives no indication that he can even conceive of changing the scope of the federal government as much as we must to avoid colllapse.

    Nothing good can come of nominating either of these guys. There’s a term for a situation when every available move leads to disaster — checkmate.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    He may “stay in for a while”, but it will be like watching Perry in the run up to SC. The difference is that Santorum doesn’t have either the smarts or the decency to leave.

    He’s getting his “rape exception” comment hung around his neck right now and it’s just going to get worse for him.

  • sharinlite

    Perhaps, rather than your “maybe”, it is because Romney is. comes from and has a family that, is “old fashioned”….no drugs, drinking, marijuana, no scandals…just decent folk. There is no celebrity there. There is no ugly drama there. There is no ugliness period. Can you imagine Ann Romney taking 150 people to Eurasia and spending tens of millions? Or, pretending to pick grown vegetables after only a few weeks of seed planting? It isn’t that Americans don’t “like” Romney, they cannot believe, after the destruction of the morals, ethics and responsibility the Left is to blame for, that he is real. We have come that far in our “transformation”. It is, if people would just understand it, a “change” that started in the l920′s. I’m not sure you can even find the history anymore unless you spend lots of time in dusty places, reading.

  • paco12348

    I think they should be called Big Headed GOBS. Carl Rove, among others should look to themselves for part of Romney’s plight. What does it take for the so called Repub. Leaders to get the message we’ve been trying to send. With the advent of the Tea Party, we, the “little people”, the ignorant masses fit only to work and pay taxes that are wasted, have educated ourselves and now see both Party’s for what they are and what both have done to this US. Yes, we blame ourselves for working, raising families, paying taxes and most egregious of all, trusting our elected representatives to steer the proper course the Founders set us on using a freedom map called the Constitution. Sadly, none could read the map.
    Selecting John McCain for the candidate that none of us wanted is what broke the donkey’s back. We no longer trust, we no longer listen, we banded together, educated ourselves and will fight to take our country back from Dems and Reps.
    Romney is a good man but this is not his time. His time may never come and it has nothing to do with his religion.
    We want a fighter that will not only mop the floor with the Liberals but will kick Obama out of the White House, lock, stock and barrel and then undo the damage he has done. Newt, with all his warts, is the one WE choose.

  • hls87

    crap. He’s got, at best, a second-rate mind. People think he’s brilliant because he thinks so. The world is mostly composed of fools who accept others at their self-valuation. Besides, Newt talks fast and he’s written books so he must be brilliant, right?

    There is no rational case to be made for Newt’s candidacy. The only positive thing one can say about him is that he isn’t Romney. That’s a characteristic he shares with billions of people, hundreds of millions of whom are eligible to be President. It’s not enough.

  • acat

    I don’t accept that the weather vane, despite the gold plate, is the best option.

    Mew

    * see J. Sobieski.

  • paco12348

    Dang, and such a good write up!

  • acat

    Romney is just plain uninspiring.

    If he wins, it won’t be “with coattails”.. it will be because of a lot of hard work, and at the cost of some of the potential Senate wins we *didn’t* get because Romney’s a milquetoast.

    Worse, he’s a milquetoast with a glass jaw, who’s weak on jobs and healthcare, two of the banner issues for 2012.

    Mew

  • lizzie

    in Spartanburg for deriding vinegar-based sauce, being a devotee of tomato/molasses/tabasco sauce from my childhood in Florida.

    You missed my Perry-devotion all these months?

    I can not move anywhere! Trapped by Dodd-Frank – lost four buyers in 2011.

    I became extremely, unnaturally heat-intolerant in 2006, and had been thinking North Dakota, but now trapped in Obama’s housing crisis, and I look forward to Gingrich expanding on how Dodd-Frank has made it worse, because it has.

    besides, not everyone can move to Texas.
    Y’all need more water and electricity for more people.

    One thing we have up north is plenty of water.

  • acat

    So, unless your goal is to get to a brokered convention, you must choose from the weather vane, the horndog, the nanny-statist, or the quack.

    There are no better choices here.

    Mew

  • hls87

    isn’t always my friend. Conservatives share a lot of enemies with Newt, but he is not, never has been and never will be our friend. He has no ideological compass and he will stab us in the back just as surely as Mitt will. The only difference is that Mitt will do it deliberately and Newt wil do it cluelessly. That’s not a choice.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    and is actually less Nanny-statist that the pro-mandates “weathervane” and didnt tell us last night he was ‘proud’ to be for Bush’s Big Govt Medicare Part D bill.
    Less Nanny-statist than the ‘horndog’ who sat with Pelosi on the couch and who had nice things to say about Romneycare in 2006 and who endorsed Dede Scuzzofava in NY-23, picking a RINO, while said “Nanny-ttist” like Palin endorsed Doug Hoffman.

    Horndog and weathervane are softer on immigration than ‘nannystatist’…. its clear that Newt has his rhetorical flourishes but the real conservative is the guy in reality is overall less conservative and/or more prone to deviations from conservatism than Santorum.

    Change his name, he’s the Union-State SoCon.

  • acat

    Somehow, I don’t think that’s a plus, nor is it going to help him much.

    Mew

  • avgjo

    due America.

    Sure, he comes up with some crazy crap. Sure, he puts his foot in his mouth. And sure, he’s got all kinds of personal baggage. Funny, though, Obama doesn’t do any of that (at least perception-wise) and he’s destroying America.

    Obama hates this country as founded. Gingrich loves it. And the thrust of his Speakership and his rhetoric is pro-America and fairly Constitutional.

    Gingrich talks more left than he practices. That’s refreshing for a life-long Republican like me.

  • lizzie

    “Perry was right on Turkey and Islamic terror” By NITSANA DARSHAN-LEITNER 01/23/2012 22:42
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=254852

    “Those who befriend Iran and finance Hamas have made it clear that they are with the terrorists.
    In the wake of Gov. Rick Perry?s withdrawal from the Republican presidential race, pundits will argue over the reasons for his rise and fall. But one thing is for certain: Perry was the only candidate who told the truth about Turkey?s support for anti-Israel Islamic terrorists.

    Perry was roundly criticized after he remarked, in the January 17 candidates? debate, that Turkey ?is being ruled by what many would perceive to be Islamic terrorists.? …”

    Hopefully the URL works ok so you can read the whole piece.
    The Jerusalem Post is the most widely read English news from Israel.
    I was really shaken up when I read it late last night, knowing who the author is, and why this would only be published in the JPost.
    My comment is as USNK2 now that JPost uses Disqus.

    and I am now signing off from RS until after Thursday’s debate.

  • poorhoratio

    I hear that a lot – “Even Reagan himself wouldn’t have won….” In my opinion, that is just bunk. Reagan was a highly-skilled communicator and clearly a leader. This is exactly what people were looking for in 2008 (and even more so now). In his prime, Reagan would have cleaned house.

    I think the majority of the electorate is wandering in the wilderness right now in search of someone, anyone, who can reliably lead the country out of this colossal mess. Newt, for all his flaws, can communicate his vision(s) very well, and of all the candidates remaining (including the Big O), he’s the only one sounding like a leader. This is why people are giving him a shot at the moment.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    and the unions opposed Santorum when Santorum did this.

    Santorum has shown more political courage than a Speaker who only got elected to a solid GOP district, and a weathervane who let the Democrat lege run roughshod over his beloved mandate idea and make Romneycare the true Obamacare prototype.

    Not sure why you are engaging in this sophistry. I’m in agreement that Santorum wont be the nominee and I am just trying to set the record straight, pointing out that he is at least as conservative as Newt, and obviously more so than Romney.

  • texashistorian

    that Dole and McCain got, right? The moderates, independents, and democrats. How’d that work out?

    You say shame on the party for wanting a conservative. Okay, tell me how the vast majority of Republican candidates who were not conservatives have fared in the past 80+ years, and how great has it been for the country?

    Herbert Hoover, Wendell Wilkie, Alf Landon, Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Nixon again, Ford, Reagan, HW Bush, Dole, Bush 43, McCain. What a a list, eh? Exactly 2 conservatives in that list, and 3 who ran as conservatives but weren’t and arguably did as much or more damage to conservatism than any Democrat. But the point is, only Reagan since 1928 was an actual conservative in policy and outlook. He won two landslides. The other victories the GOP had were by candidates who publicly played up being conservatives: Eisenhower, Nixon, HW Bush, and Bush 43. History shows that those who RUN as conservatives win outside the Goldwater anomaly. How does that square with the blinkered Establishment view that those who run to right can’t carry the moderates, independents, and conservative leaning Dems?

    But I probably waste my time because you aren’t really on our team our you? After all, if your conservative principles vanished because you didn’t care for the “Tea Party” they must not have been very strong to begin with.

  • texastaxpayer

    So where on your scale do “bridges to nowhere” and “bird museums” rate? Or how about “right to work”? Of course perched on your soap box you would never back a candidate who bragged on national television about how proud he was of milking tax payers out of billions for these projects. RIGHT?

  • texastaxpayer

    Or beef, cotton or newly arrived liberals perhaps? Your choice.

  • annplato

    philandering but for his perjury, and that should have had him lose his presidency.!

    Newt’s strategy was to curtail his big government inclinations and Hillarycare and he succeeded in both those endeavors.

    I’d say, in lack of a better candidate, we should unite behind Newt, since the others that conservatives still pine for are NOT in th race, becasue they are cowards and can’t hink of a solution for the present chaos, danger and massive malaise!!

  • lizzie

    can not remember the source. Texas problem is if EPA border state emissions rule gets in place – good fight for Gov. Perry to target.

    New England shortfall is mostly because Romney went all giddy over planned shutdowns to reduce CO2, but the enviros have decided to fight every green alternative. Those wind turbines will spoil our view!
    I confess, it would spoil MY view – this is a real fight in this tiny village in the Berkshire wind-perfect Hills, but I do not care – I just want electricity but failed to find a micro-turbine for my roof although there is one made in Canada, and no money anymore for such things as getting off the grid.

    The enviros are fighing biofuel, wood waste – and we have TONS of wood waste here- so the Romney-planned shutdowns are going ahead without the Romney-hoped for alternatives.

    Plus, the self-proclaimed Socialist Kingdom of Vermont wants to shut down Yankee nuclear power plant.

    New York enviros oppose gas fracking, unlike Pennsylvania, and want to shut down the nuclear power plant near West Point.

    But, we do have surplus water. Drowning in it, except for Connecticut.

    Personally, I would move back to NY fulltime if y’all would export Governor Rick Perry to fix the most broken state government , #50. Maybe then the UN would relo to Zimbabwe, and the Manhattan liberals can keep moving to Massachusetts. Actually, New York is not all that liberal. Half the voters stay home in despair. We mostly register as dems because, once upon a time, the Dem machine allowed primaries. That stopped after 2002, replaced by coronations.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Dont blame Mitch for taking a pass on this. He’s short, only semi-charismatic and probably would have ruined his family peace for a chance at doiing as well as Pawlenty. Running for President is a 110% effort for everyone in the family, you simply cannot do it if the wife says no.
    It could be tried but it just wont fly, you’ll end up losing the race AND the family. Not worth it.

    “it?s not Romney?s fault that Perry was unprepared or Jindal, Daniels, Christie and Ryan all passed on a run. Or that GWB ruined the Bush name and prevented Jeb from getting in.”

    While we are at it, lets blame Gov Sanford for having a midlife crisis and running off with a young hottie. sigh, he could have been a contender, instead of a bum.

  • carolynr

    said last night had the sound of cha ching.

  • carolynr

    Early voting went to Romney because the press gave the Iowa election to Romney and the NH election to Romney. SC’s had not happened yet and FLORIDA wants ANYONE but Obama and that is why they voted for him. Again…the sheeples followed the media.

    After SC…many people…and this is South Fl…said they regretted their vote.

  • annplato

    the “what ifs” is no way we can oust Obama! You NEED to place your token on the most likely winner in the opposition or else we ARE ALL in huge trouble; much worse than we are as of now!

    Who can be the best Republican candidate when our problems are of a gargantuan size? I’d say someone who is bold and already has a record of stopping the socialist Clinton steam-roller!

    Newt is sincere when he says that he wants us to be WITH him, not FOR him! What does that mean? He wants us to stay engaged in future decisions. He does not believe that just because he is “smart” he should make unpopular decisions, where people turn against each other and against his presidency. That is what the right’s “social engineering” was all about!

    Newt knows how to convince people of very different views to come together for the good of the nation. I see him as the most patriotic of all the candidates. Some of his suggestions, like English as the official language of the USA are unpopular, but he can make a logical argument for everyone to be able to understand it.

    From what we have now Newt is the best one, so we better start to unite behind him so he CAN have a landslide victory where he will get the ?mandate? to undo what has been done by the Obama administration.

    Wake up people! Time?s a wasting!

  • MF

    What you write (or at least what I interpret you to mean) is: We have to select a moderate because being too conservative will never draw in enough of the middle. It sounds very logical, but has been proven over and over again to be false. Every time Republicans nominate a moderate, he loses, while conservatives win. We’ve had this discussion over and over again, and the conclusion is always the same – go with the moderate and you’re asking to lose the election.

  • acat

    It isn’t pretty ..

    As for why I’m insisting on a full vetting of Santorum, knowing that he won’t be the nominee, it’s in part so we have a starting point when (not if) he decides to run again.

    Mew

  • WillWong

    Christie lacks discipline….the way he went after Newt! Newt has been around more than 20 years.

    Christie, 2 years into his term had already taken the State’s helicopter on personal trips to his son’s baseball games three dozen times!

    The more I listen to him, the less I think of him!

  • WillWong

    I like your poll sample of one! wink wink!

  • levtannen

    Test

  • blackhawk

    Who in their right mind would like him. He is just like McCain

  • carolynr

    I really watched this with a critical eye…I looked for the body language…I looked for the code words that amounted to “spend”. I looked for some solutions. I came away with this: Santorum validated my contention that he would spend us into a bigger mess. While I understood Paul’s points, he is still unrealistic concerning the Middle East. His isolationism scares me. However, he is someone that will play the spoiler if we don’t unite.

    Romney. Well, the attack mode didn’t get it with me. I came away with feeling “out of sorts”. Did any of you feel that way? It seemed liked the debate between Gingrich and Romney didn’t yield a winner concerning points. However, Romney’s attempt to be a pit bull did not come off well. It’s as if he flip flopped on that. Here’s what I mean…don’t laugh at this…it’s a female thing. When Romney walks unto the stage…he walks like a girl. He’s prissy. Then he goes into all his good things he’s done that don’t hold water. Last night he decided to be an attack dog and it was like watching someone in drag fighting in the WWF. It’s false…..it’s fake.

    Gingrich was hit with the kitchen sink but to me…the thing came off as a tie…because of the feeling stated above. As much as the press has tried to paint Newt as the Good Newt and the Mad Newt…trying very subtly to paint him as a split personality…Newt plays both parts well. Romney on the other can play neither well…and that is his big problem…He’s fake.

    Concerning electability…Gingrich will pull in the Latino vote and Romney will not, albeit…not a very large percentage..but Gingrich will get some and hope this will be enough to put us over the top.

    Gingrich…warts and all is a far better choice for me than the Marxist we have in the office right now. For all practical purposes, he is spending us out of being a country, he, Obama is a dictator going around the Constitution and violating his oath of office. So, it is very easy for me to pick Gingrich…because he will have some ideas that “might” help. Romney is a Progressive…and we know where we will go with that…the same place as Obama…but with Romney holding the American Flag while the ship sinks.

  • avagreen

    I was listening to him this a.m. in the “attack” mode. It sounded like a bad actor needing some more coaching on his lines for his part in the play.

    Really, really……really bad. Not believable at all.

    And, if this is supposed to come off as being the “real” Romney, he’s a deceiver, dissembler, pretender, pharisee, as well.

  • bobguzzardi

    great phrase. This one phrase tells about the snobs who know they are snobs because they don’t know what they don’t know and are not interested in finding out what they don’t know.

    Gang of 500…another good. On a roll today, Erick.

  • red_oakster

    My guess is that Jindal, Ryan, Rubio, McDonnell and Jeb Bush, would be the names in play.

  • dustregulations

    The most successful presidential candidates are the ones who appear to speak with conviction and on the level of the average American: Reagan, Clinton, Obama.

    The worst presidential candidates are the ones that fool their party’s establishment by seeming “presidential” in some superficial way, but ultimately lack the charisma necessary to connect with the public. These are typically stiff Ivy League Northeastern moderates: Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, McCain.

    Mitt Romney is clearing from the second group. As the Dems learned in 2004, no matter how much you hate the incumbent, you don’t win an election by running a safe and “electable” guy who doesn’t inspire your base.

    Newt is by no means a perfect candidate. But it’s clear that he is striking a chord with the people. We will see very shortly whether folks think they can look past his issues.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    but a bad excuse to drag Clinton through the mud. It was also the single most stupid act the Republican Party has ever committed. Everybody knew that the impeachment would NEVER be upheld by the Senate and it did nothing but give Clinton the opportunity to unite a splintered Democratic House and Senate Caucus and make the case that the Republicans were being petty.

    We had him on the ropes on policy and issues and this singular act of stupidity let him off the ropes and saved his Presidency.

  • wingnut43

    Romney should run Kittens for Mittens ads and make them as cute as possible. That will win hearts and minds. Yeah right. :)

  • wingnut43

    Newt is no greedier than Obama, They are equally rich. And Romney had more opportunity to make the big money since he was a Bankster, just like Gordon Gekko in the movie. Newt’s diamond studded bimbo wife is fine with me too. I would vote for Newt or Santorum in the Primary except that only Mittens and Paul are on the ballot in my state. So I will vote for Paul, and any Republican nominee in the General Election.

  • wingnut43

    Obama’s betting stock on Intrade closely follows the S&P 500. If the market keeps going up and unemployment keeps going down, Obama will be reelected. If Europe lays an egg that destroys the entire world financial system, Obama could lose to any Republican, even Paul, or could win in a landslide, depending on how the fear factor breaks. If the status quo is maintained, it is a coin flip. Maybe a weighted coin.

  • wingnut43

    Limbaugh says the Establishment expects Romney to lose and is primarily concerned about getting a nominee that won’t torpedo their chances to keep the House and retake the Senate. Mittens is certain to lose in a close (but decisive) election and have no coattails either way, so he is the “safe” choice. Newt will either have huge positive coattails or huge negative ones, but it is impossible to predict at this stage. So Mittens is playing it safe, and Newt is swinging for the fences and betting everything (House, Senate, and Presidency) on getting that one home run. If you go by the theory that a bird in hand is better than a Newt in the bush, then Mittens is the obvious choice. If you want to play an all or nothing bet with maximum stakes, then you want Newt.

  • wingnut43

    Daniels has proven that he is not the alpha dog in his family. His wife is. Only alpha dogs can be President.

    I am really disappointed that Bachmann flubbed up the debt ceiling fight so badly, because she IS an alp[ha dog. (That is what really killed her chances, not that vaccine nonsense.)

  • wingnut43

    Newt is no Reagan. Best comparison I have seen for Newt is to Andrew Jackson. I think it fits.

  • wingnut43

    The Establishment only cares about keeping the House and retaking the Senate. They know Mittens is almost certain to lose in a close but decisive race. They accept an Obama 2nd term. They just want the Money Power back in their hands, and they are afraid that Newt’s coattails will be so negative that the House will be lost.

  • wingnut43

    Newt’s baggage won’t hurt him in the Northeast, but it won’t help him either. It may not hurt him in the South if the voters are too angry at Obama to care. Newt’s POSITIONS will hurt him in the Northeast and the West, but that is true for any Conservative Republican. The real key is the swing states of WI, MI, FL, OH, and PA, and those States depend on the economy, and whether the level of anger at Obama outweighs Newt’s baggage and positions.

  • wingnut43

    Romney’s business was different from most businesses in the US. He was essentially Gordon Gekko in real life, because that is what takeover companies do. It is not surprising that he doesn’t want to talk about it much, except to recite prepared talking points.

    The electability of Gingrich , Santorum or anyone else will depend mostly on the campaign against Obama, mano et mano. We do not know what issues Obama will bring up that could be decisive in convincing the electorate to stick with Obama. A lot will depend on the economy because that is issue #1 right now. An improving economy predisposes the public to avoid a change. A worsening malaise predisposes for a change. But foreign policy issues could decide it, especially if Obama can convince the electorate that his opponent is too dangerous to take a chance with.

  • wingnut43

    That’s right, Ethyl. Mittens may be the only one acceptable to Independents, but I’m still voting for Newt.

  • wingnut43

    since he is not an alpha dog. His wife is the alpha in that family. Daniels can never get the nomination much less beat Obama. There is no one else, and we are stuck with a choice between Mittens, Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul.

  • wingnut43

    Mittens is the only one with money, organization, and deep financial support, even if he loses FL. These facts will not change. Mitt is likely to win in OH and other key states. This could be a very long slog, with the 4 contenders competing for every delegate. If Gingrich and Santorum can get enough delegates between them to have a majority, they can bring a Gingrich-Santorum nomination to the floor of the convention as a unified ticket on the 2nd ballot. Other combinations are possible as well. No one should declare this over until the fat lady sings.

  • wingnut43

    The ONLY resources on the moon that is worth mining there are:

    (1) Helium-3. He-3 from the solar wind gets trapped in moon rock (and Mercury rock), and could be a valuable fuel for fusion power. However, mining He-3 makes no sense until we have invested the required billions to make fusion power viable. (And Jupiter is a much vaster source of this resource, but is also much farther away)

    (2) Water. To make space colonies and military bases viable, it is necessary to have a source of water. And extracting water from the moon for moon and space colonies makes sense because of the moon’s low gravity.. Of course, this only makes sense if you are going to build space colonies for other reasons.

    The best argument for colonizing the moon is to grab possession before some competing power (like China) can grab possession. I favor the idea of the US taking and maintaining possession of The Moon.

  • wingnut43

    If Romney is the nominee, you will see the power of the MSM to demonize anyone. By the end of the campaign, the majority of the public will be convinced that the Mormons are members of an evil, demonic cult that has intercourse with winged demons during ceremonies in their closed temples, and are engaged in a massive economic conspiracy against the greater public. Newt’s marriages will appear quaint by comparison.

  • wingnut43

    If Independents see their 401K’s rising, they will be predisposed to reelect the incumbent. If the Euro lays an egg and the DOW is back at 6000 on election day, Independents will be angry, and they could be persuaded to vote for an angry Newt. But if Obama can scare them about what the Republican will do, they will hold their noses and vote for Obama.

  • acat

    The moon has a couple advantages….

    No EPA to deal with. Likely some form of OSHA, but that’d depend in part on how much is done by drone. No NIMBYs either.

    You’ve hit the main problem – there’s no conceivable way it could be cheaper to do mining and subsequent manufacturing on Luna if the results are just going to be dropped back into the gravity well. It ends up a which-comes-first scenario.

    I’m not sure I like nationalism as a driver, but .. I don’t really object to it either.

    Mew

  • guvhog

    Clinton Perjury was nothing??? Are you aware that Perjury is a Felony criminal offense punishable by prison time. That makes it very much Something!

  • avagreen

    >>>>