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The State of the Union

There need not be 7000 words, the length of the President’s speech, to break it down for you.

John F. Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

Barack Obama’s State of the Union is all about letting you know that government is going to do everything for you and when it can’t keep its promises, it will take from the successful and give to you.

1000 days without the Democrats passing a budget, the President never really even brought it up last night. Then there’s healthcare. The President spent two sentences – a mere 44 words – talking about his greatest legacy, now headed before the Supreme Court, 5 justices from which sat in front of him last night. The first reference didn’t come until 39 minutes into his speech. I thought he was proud of it.

The first half of his speech was about centralized power in Washington and the second half was about devolving power to the states and deregulation — trying to be all things to all people. But his actual proposals were one size fits all federal fiat with sops to unionization and swing states. He must be really worried about North Carolina given how many shout outs that state got.

President Obama, in his State of the Union address, was light on the details of his laundry list, but at essence embraced the title of Food Stamp President that Newt Gingrich has given him. He wants a public and business community dependent on Washington. He wants a devalued high school diploma and an over valued college degree priced out of reach of the average person except through government run programs and subsidies.

The happy class warrior is off to ensure fairness not at the starting line, but by punishing those who cross the finish line first or with more. But “teachers matter”, he got Osama Bin Laden, and kids won’t be able to drop out of school anymore — they’ll just clog the system.

So there is that.

COMMENTS

  • jerbeetwo

    The 5 justices is very telling…..

  • rightthinking

    I heard a critique of it in Japan – in Japanese. What struck the Japanese was the use of the word “byodo” so many times.

    Byodo means “fair,” as in “fairness.” It astonished the Japanese that it was said so many times.

    But the meaning is obvious: It is part of Obama’s vision for our country. Interestingly, the Japanese put it in context. That is because they have to translate news from many languages around the world.

    They noticed an interesting similarity with something…

    It was used in this way in the past, they remarked…. In the USSR….

  • mikelindell2

    This is why we need Newt. He is most likely to cut through obama’s garbage, clearly show its danger, and present a better alternative

  • mikelindell2

    This is even more reason rick needs to do what perry did, Itd be game over for romney if he did

  • inovrmihd

    TARP was passed by Bush and the Democrats. It called for $350 billion to be given to Secretary Paulson to stabilize the banks (underpriced loans), and the Republicans agreed that the President could drawdown another $350 billion as long as the Republicans could have a symbolic vote against it so they could fool the locals back home (pretty much Mitch McConnell’s standard game plan). Bush, wanting to look gracious (with other people?s tax dollars) drew it down on the last day of office and handed Obama a big blank check. Obama could have said no more TARP and returned the money, but instead doubled down on Bush’s policy of bank bailouts (I am not even going into the practically zero interest loans and regulatory forbearance that enabled the banks to prosper by breaking even more rules). Then his Treasury Secretary and Ben Bernanke made it clear on numerous occasions that no systemically important financial institution would be allowed to fail (the practical effect being that these large Wall Street Banks could borrow unlimited amounts of money if they got into trouble because Uncle Sam was cosigning for the loans). During the last three years, there has not been one meaningful prosecution of any senior official at any of these banks for fraud, robosigning, selling mortgage backed securities designed to fail, ripping off customers on their foreign currency transactions (see Bank of New York and State Street), Etcetera. No, after three years of doing nothing, they are going to set up a task force to look into criminal wrong doing. Who is on this task force? A bunch of people who have looked the other way and given the banks wrist slaps when they catch them red handed.

    I am going to link to a website at is not conservative, but nevertheless gives an accurate description of what is going on.

    The point of all this is that Obama has been carrying the water of Wall Street, and instead of attacking him on it, they dismiss any complaints about this as simply “an attack upon capitalism”. At some point, hopefully, one of the candidates should grow a pair and call Obama out on his continued bailout of Wall Street. It doesn’t matter if it is the language of the left (I would argue it is the language of the Tea Party). What matters is that it is the truth, and it is a devastating indictment of the way the Obama administration has deal with Wall Street, that the left is going to be hard pressed not to reluctantly agree with.

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/01/is-schneiderman-selling-out-signs-up-to-co-chair-committee-designed-to-undermine-defectors-to-mortgage-settlement-deal.html

  • btpull

    Since Obama was not able to accelerate the economy coming out of the great recession the economy was not able to absorb all the jobs lost during the recession. Now that the economy has stabilized at a slow growth rate of 2% to 3% it will take 10 to 15 years to absorb the 15 Million or so unemployed back into the economy.

    So if you are in your mid-50′s and unemployed there is a good chance you will not work again. This permanent high level of unemployment will be the true Obama legacy.

  • jeffex11

    great post! TARP was SUPPOSED to be for writing off the “troubled assets ” carried by banks on their books due to the housing fraud (bubble) …..THAT is how it was sold to the American taxpayer ..To write off those troubled assets banks carried on their books that threatened to bring down the entire system… that prevented the banking system from moving capital to market …HAH!

    Instead it became a slush fund for the Obama to pick winners and losers in the game of political payback….To further his collapse capitalism by ensuring failed business models ….wouldn’t fail. it became CRAP Crony Replacement Accounts Program

    And ensuring that the FUEL to the engine of our Capitalist economy was shut down….starving the free market . So he could claim to the DUPES that voted for him in 2008 that Capitalism has failed…all by it’s itty bitty self….With a complicit media at his side he is well on his way to killing America as we knew her…

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    There is a great story about Stalin. An old women asks Stalin why so many people are loyal to him and how he maintains power over them. Stalin reaches down and grabs a chicken roaming the street and then proceeds to brutally rip it’s feathers out while the chicken screams in pain. He puts the naked chicken down on the ground. He grabs a hand full of grains and bends down and offers it to the chicken. Cautiously the chicken comes toward him and begins eating out of his hand. After a minute or two, Stalin stands up and the naked chicken huddles at his feet.

    Stalin tells the woman “I can do anything I want to them and as long as I feed them they will follow me anywhere.”

  • 1stRichard

    Word count;
    More ? 47
    Work ? 46
    Jobs ? 35
    Taxes ? 34
    Pay ? 28
    Energy ? 23
    Businesses ? 13
    College ? 12
    Republican Party ? 12
    Oil ? 11
    Teacher ? 8
    Education ? 8
    Fair ? 8
    Together ? 8
    Manufacturing ? 8
    Values ? 7
    Responsibility ? 6
    Tuition ? 5
    Promise ? 5
    Shared ? 3
    Universities ? 3
    Democratic Party 2
    God ? 2 in ending

    What does this mean?

  • inovrmihd

    .I have no idea how to communicate with our candidates, but ceding Obama the issue by “claiming it is class warfare”, rather than arguing it is bad policy on the merits (and if they need a good example, look to California with its soak the rich tax system which collapsed after Google leveled off and the dot com bubble stopped producing overnight millionaires). The fact is that raising the tax on the rich (I hate the term “job creators” as it sounds like a slogan), works great, until the rich have a bad year, and you are totally screwed.

    One other thing that has been bothering me is the constant references to Warren Buffett. Here is a guy that will tell anyone who asks him that he doesn’t try to predict the economy and has no special insight into how the economy will do in any given year. All he claims to be is a guy who tries to buy great companies at reasonable prices and hold for the long term. He claims no expertise in how to get the economy growing again. So why do people listen to him? Because he is worth 50+ billion dollars.

    Now think about the absurdity of him lecturing someone who makes $200k or $1 million, depending on which Obama speech we are talking about, that they are not paying their fair share. Suppose you taxed all of Warren’s income, regardless of source, at 100%. Do you thinkj he cares?. It won’t affect his life one damn bit. At the end of the day, he still has 50 billion dollars. Is he going to be sad that he can only buy one solid gold football stadium? I wish someone would have the intellectual ability to point out that hge is the last guy who should be telling some small business owner that they aren’t paying their fair share. Instead, all we get is a glib one liner “that if he wants to pay more taxes, he is free to do so”. That may play well with the conservatives, but it won’t convince an independent, or the average working democrat who should be on our side.

  • paco12348

    Where did the soaring speeches go? Obama was not “fair” to the American people last night. He didn’t speak to the real “State of the the Union”. He was dull, boring and he needs corrective surgery on his “vision for the future”. To quote Joe Wilson, “He lies”.
    Newt IS the one we need and I also heard this morning the Washington Republican Leaders are in a panic over the possibility of a Gingrich win in the election. WHY? We’ve read and have been hearing about Newt’s time in Washington but haven’t learned what he did to bring so much fear and anger down on him. If they don’t reveal it, I for one, will believe they fear losing THEIR control of the Party and fear the shaking up Newt will do in the government. When you shake something up the rats drop out. Is that what it is?

  • ag8tor

    the teleprompter guy!

  • tngal

    Maybe if they were’nt having to work overtime poring over Arizona’s immigration law, or going over issues with the other states who have implemented similar laws, or picking through the Obamacare, they’d have more time for these little soirees.

  • 4suramcan

    And they are right because that is where this is coming from. Our country since the days of Nikita Kruchev saying ” we will bury you” has been infiltrated with communists. Our education system is spewing out hate for America. Our very government is overflowing with commies who came from that era and now make policy.
    They do it so subtley that it is hard to recognize but deep down you know something is very wrong. We just ignore it and go on hoping “just maybe”. That is the method they are using, subtle and under the radar until they are ready to pounce. They are now pouncing. Wake up!! and recognize the danger.
    I grew up in the fifties and early sixties and now this country is NOT recognizable compared to then.

  • scmom

    they don’t want to be attacked again for their decisions?

  • watchmanonthewall

    [Don't even read this comment. Watch the video instead. It's going to infuriate this commenter that I put this video here. - NS]

    You’re absolutely right. I grew up five years later than you and I see exactly the same things. The changes have been deliberate and gradual and are aimed at destroying America from the inside. And yes, they are now pouncing; make no mistake about that.

    Communism was invented by the “jewish” elites of the Illuminati and Freemasonry. The Illuminati and Communist Manifestos are almost identical from the fist half of the 1800s. It is a complete scam to deceive the masses into supporting a few thugs to take over the instruments of government power to enable a few elites to enslave a nation. Only the few elites benefit. The vast majority of humanity loses big time. The Bolshevik (primarily “jewish”) Communists starved or exterminated over 60 million Russian citizens under Lenin and Stalin in the 20th century. Lenin was a “jew” financed by American and British “jewish” banking elites; Stalin was an atheis,t married 3 “jewish wives and made it a capital offense to say anything anti-”jewish.” The ” jewish” Talmud teaches that non-”jews” are too stupid to manage their own affairs and are to be treated like cattle and taken advantage of. The “jewish” Cabala, their other holy book, forms the foundation for all forms of witchcraft, the New Age movement, the occult and the worship of Lucifer (Satan or the devil) today.

    I put “jewish” in quotes because this people group are not the descendants of the Israelites of the Old Testament of the Bible as they claim. they are descendants of a Turko-Mongoloid people group who made up the natiion of Khazaria. In 740 AD King Balun of Khazaria required all of his people to convert to Judaism on pain of death, but it was a corrupted religious doctrine that drove it that is very racist, hateful and bigoted toward all non-”jews,” and especially white Christians who they regard as their mortal enemy. These people today are known as Ashkenazi “jews”and makeup 90% of the roughly 20 million “jews” worldwide today. Virtually all of the leading families making up the Satanic cult which today rules the world through money comes from this people group with their evil worldview.

    Why do they hate America and white Christians so vehemently? Because they know that the true descendants of the Hebrew nation of Israel are the white Christians who populated Europe in 3 waves and then came to America and made it the greatest and most exceptional nation on earth. Most migrated from Assyria and Babylon after their exiles there through the Caucasus Mountains of Russia into Europe, reappearing there as Angles, Saxons, Celts, Jutes, Danes, etc. where they built the most successful civilization ever witnessed: western civilization. Collectively, this people group came to be referred to as Caucasians by virtue of their common passage through the Caucasus Mountains of Russia.

    The Holocaust? A complete fraud. Never happened. It served to hide the Bolshevick genocide of 60 million Russian non-”jews” and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Palestinians from what is today the state of Israel in 1947 and 1948. This is all well documented in published books. Our 96% “jewish” controlled media just doesn’t want you to find and read them. 75% of the 4,000 members of the CFR which in reality runs our federal government are “jewish.” These are not accidents. Nor are they reflective of this people group’s superior intelligence or dilligence. It is reflective of their evil and secret intent that is not so secret anymore to usher in a totalitarian one world government they refer to as the New World Order. They lie and deny the truth endlessly.

    This was all predicted and planned thousands of years ago by the God of the Bible. Why? To bring God ultimate glory and to usher in a redeemed heaven and earth and to live with resurrected men and women who love and follow His son, Jesus Christ who was and is God for all eternity. It is the culmination of the cosmic battle between good and evil. Evil is getting its day in the sun now, but only for a short while until Jesus returns in His Second Coming to pour out His wrath on the wicked. It truns out that everything in the Bible is completely true down to the last jot and tittle! Everything which conflicts with or contradicts what it says ans whart God says therefore is, by definition, a lie because God’s nature is such that He does not lie. Satan does though. He’s referred to as the father of lies in the Bible for a reason.

  • ihateliberals

    I wait until he is done and then read the transcript afterwards. Then when I’m done i wipe with it. Obama in his three State-of-the-Union messages has said nothing of any value and the things he has promised have never come to fruition. Nothing but emptiness. Robin hood wants to take from the Rich and giver to the Richer. that’s right not to the poor. he wants the poor to stay that way and depend on big daddy government for everything. It is the same old rhetoric about the rich not paying their share. I guess the problem is that we don’t understnd what the share is? Apparently paying 86% of all taxes paid isn’t their fair share. Who knew?

  • indieinvirginnie

    I think that the President said a few things last night that really highlight two differing views of the country. Here is what he said at the end of his speech after (very appropriately) reflecting on the service of our soldiers:

    So it is with America. Each time I look at that flag, I’m reminded that our destiny is stitched together like those 50 stars and those 13 stripes. No one built this country on their own. This nation is great because we built it together. This nation is great because we worked as a team. This nation is great because we get each other’s backs. And if we hold fast to that truth, in this moment of trial, there is no challenge too great; no mission too hard. As long as we are joined in common purpose, as long as we maintain our common resolve, our journey moves forward, and our future is hopeful, and the state of our Union will always be strong.

    This sounds warm and fuzzy, so people clap for it without even thinking. But it is false. The nation is not great because “we worked as a team” and “had each others’ backs.” That is true of the Taliban, Hitler’s army, the Crips and the Bloods and a lot of other groups. To the extent this country is great, it is so because it was founded on — and adhered to for a long time — the principle that no person is greater than the other, and that the power of government should not be used to achieve the agenda of some at the expense of others.

    I think that left-leaning folks like the lingo of “teamwork” for the same reasons they like trains instead of cars — the people involved are reduced to granular, commoditized, interchangeable parts and the direction is decided somewhere at the top.

    “Teamwork” is often most touted by those who have no desire whatsoever — and no intention — of ever becoming just another member. It is touted by self-proclaimed team leaders. And elected ones — like the President.

    It is important to the President, because it collectivizes us.

  • watchmanonthewall

    If the goal is to defeat Obama, replacing him with Newt won’t fix a thing. He’s not at all who he appears to be on the campaign stump. Read his foreward to the Toffler’s book, “Creating a New Civilization.” In this regard, the Washington Post quoted him as saying “I have an enormous political ambition. I want to shift the entire planet and I’m doing it.”

    In short, Newt is a stooge and patsy of the Rockefeller family and the global elites who seek to usher in their vision for a New Age of Aquarius and a New World Order – the same one referred to in Latin on the back of our one dollar bills that the elite-owned and controlled Fed produces.

    Both Obama and Newt serve these same masters. They lie and deceive the American public endlessly and the media that the elites own and control goes along with their charade to advance the cause of their masters.

    Romney appears to be in their camp as well. Santorum appears to be a guy whose actions and votes as a Senator were in favor of more big government, not less. The only one of the four surviving Republican candidates who is clearly not one of them is Ron Paul. That’s why the media and the Republican establishment are doing all they can to marginalize and dismiss him as “unelectable.” That’s nonsense! We the people don’t have to fall for this self-fulfilling prophecy!

    The first decision we all must make is what kind of a world and a nation do we wish to leave for our children? Three of them will do the bidding of their elite masters and usher in a totalitarian police state that only benefits the elites. Only one will not. If enough Americans wake up and do their own background checks on each of these four to realize that we are being lied to and the important issues are not even being discussed, then American voters could deliver Ron Paul to the White House in a landslide. Common sense and what is in our collective best interests tell us this.

    The unfortunate reality is that the establishment elites would never permit this to happen. They’ll engage in voter fraud to tell us that someone else won the election, and failing that, they’ll hire someone to take him out as they did with JFK and Lincoln.

  • txharleyman

    The Supreme Court is charged with hearing cases. Duh! Just because you love B’Ho, doesn’t mean that all his liberal clap trap is legal. B’Ho should just permanently adopt Robin Hood’s mantra as his official position on ALL issues:
    “Rob for the rich, give to the poor.” How sad that some drones like you actually believe that this is the American Way. The U. S. would be much better off if we went back to the rule of the Jamestown Colony: “Them that don’t work, don’t eat.” Read your history tngal and you’ll understand that this saved the Colony.
    Poor thing, I feel sorry for you.

  • gsatt

    The holocaust was fraud, never happened??????? Has anyone wondered why people are becoming less faithful and are stopping the belief in a “GOD”? This is some wild stuff you just wrote. Why do you believe this? Do you believe the moon landing was a fraud as well?What makes a GOD any better than me or you? What if GOD is wrong and is just as misinformed as we are? We are to believe we are gods’ children right? Have any of you grown up and realized your parents were full of it? Ya it might be in a book, but its pretty easy to write down BS in a book. Its been done about “Global Warming”
    I have never attended a church for this reason. And I will NEVER regret this.

    How about the holocaust AND the bulshivik revolution BOTH happened!!!!!!!!!!!! I will agree that there was influnece from a faith, but look at ANY country that has adopted the marxist-on-roids- Communism and you will find genocides and deaths. Your examples happen to be of the jewish haters. The truth is the only way commies can shut up and convince the people that their way of thinking is better is by the blade of a sword. Our country will use imprisonment, and it won’t be called communism but “fairness”.

    I give you the credit that Communism is created, and it IS for the benefit of a few. Yes this country is headed towards the same ideas of fairness that communism had. However it is based on the ideals that the few at the top posses, and who will not be under the control of those ideas. (durrrrrr sound familiar, example, a select few of our leaders trying to squeek themselves out of the healthcare BS )

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    tngal is no liberal nor is she a fan of Obama, which is easily discovered if you take a look at her comment history. The only thing she’s guilty of here is leaving off her sarcasm tags.

  • lineholder

    Lots of conspiracy-theory type of logic in use during the entire context of your statement. You do know that, correct?

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    nt

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    nt.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Yeah.. I do know just what to do with this.

  • gsatt

    If it sounded as if I were making a direct attack on religion, this was not my intent. And I’m realizing that I could have portrayed myself as a jerk atheist. It just struck a nerve when a nut of that caliber uses religion in the way that he did.

    Please continue going to church, it soothes many souls and does influence most for the betterment of themselves. This guy was errrr……. woah

  • acat

    Nicely done.

    If I had a hat, I’d tip it in your direction.

    Mew

  • acat

    Read the above.

    (and don’t blame me if the worms eat your brain)

    Mew

  • barleycorn

    Get a grip Harley.

    tngal’s comment was a shot at the Obama Administration not the Supreme Court.

    Sheesh!

  • gsatt

    bruce all mighty, may you bless us with your answer? Or will you waste my time again with another short story?

    May I recommend finding an island that YOU can be the establishment elite of, and leave your hole you dug in the dirt to crap in for your children.

    Welcome to earth; theres always something influencing something, and of course someones always going to get the shaft. Keep the grubby hands of the stuff I busted my ass for and we will get along just fine. Kill of be killed brah!

  • teco
    Why did people vote for Obama? When he was running for President he wouldn’t show his tax returns, he didn’t let us who he really was/is at ALL.
    Today there is so much being said about Mitt Romney and his tax return. Everyone is taking about affairs, and things done so that we shouldn’t vote for that person.
    People voted for Obama without proof that he was even an American Citizen. By the way, it still hasn’t been proven, the Birth Certificate that was presented to the American People, was a Certificate of LIVE BIRTH, not a Birth Certificate. He was taken to Hawii right after he was born, and his mother registered his birth in Hawii. And to make it worse, the Certificate of LIVE BIRTH was even altered.
    Be sure in 2012 that you know WHO you are voting for and what he stands for, and in whose pockets he’s in.
    BE WARE!!!!!
  • funwithknives

    *It is better to remain silent ,and have People Think you might be smart, than to speak and remove ALL DOUBT*
    Sound like anyone you might know?How ’bout a Big ‘Ole Texas Apology, for the lady ? { You know You Wanna}

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    . . .

  • jakeofalltrades

  • funwithknives

    but who am I to guess at Providence? Not so long ago, I was surrounded by many of your sort {Michigan Militia, and such}, and was heartily sorry for the experience.
    Being a recently lapsed member of the Libertarian Party {since 1993} I speak with some small knowledge, of your so-called Talking Points, and really wish only one thing: I wish I could’a seen what they took off your Israel post, if only to confirm what I know for a fact.
    That would be , at least I am associating with a finer, more noble class of Human Being. A M F

  • acat

    That’s … just .. ouch!

    Mew

  • acat

    Look, teco, we all agree Obama is a lousy President.

    That doesn’t mean you can use Obama’s sins to tar Romney.

    Period.

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Gotta love these morons who think a COLB and a BC are two different things. Not.

  • Common_Cents

  • kipling

    Obviously we needed to hear it again and he graciously gave it to us. Besides, we are probably too dumb to notice the repetition. Children must hear things three times in order to learn. I just realized that means we will probably hear it one more time unless he is defeated.

  • bobguzzardi

    thanks acat. You got this down into one pic and a few words.

  • bobguzzardi

    a campaign of class warfare modeled on Alinsky Marxist of setting Have Not v Haves.

  • ATGinCT

    from on high by our feckless, um er ahh, I mean fearless, leader.

    It was a very difficult choice between watching the SCOAMF demonize people like me, or spending some quality time playing Battlefield3, in the end I chose being shot at, blown up, knifed from behind and various and sundry other horrors, over the leader of the (give it all away for) free world.

  • djrjr

    Some random, non-prioritized thoughts on my man Barry’s SOTU and the Mitch Daniels response:

    (1) Before the SOTU began, my 14 year old daughter asked me which four issues I thought the Pres would hit on (this was not idle conversation — she was trying to get me to do her homework for her, which I realized as I saw her pencil poised over a work sheet and a disingenuous look of feigned neutral interest on her face as I began to speak). I told her my thoughts (instead of telling her to do her damn homework and think for herself, which is what I should have done) and one of them was NOT health care and, because she’s not an idiot, she asked why I thought the Pres wouldn’t talk about health care if it had been such an important issue in prior years. I didn’t have it really thought out at the time, but I think it’s because he’s being very cautious, especially with the five justices staring at him (and, man, I love her, but golly it looked like my girl Ruth was trying to pitch some sort of ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ sequel — maybe, ‘Weekend at Ruthie’s'). No doubt there is a distinct possibiilty that the Supreme Court will strike down significant portions of the Affordable Health Care Act — the most likely being the mandate. I imagine BO’s going to play a “heads I win,” “tails you lose” game on that possibility. If the Supremes strike it down, he can run on a Roosevelt v. the out of touch/activist Court platform. If its get upheld…well, he’s a winner. Either way, he’s not touching that issue now until the Court rules.

    (2) I pretty much hate SOTU’s laundry lists of “great ideas” — regardless of who the Pres is. If they were so great, why weren’t they proposed three years ago, or even last week. It’s almost as if SOTU addresses are when you bring your kid in for a talk about how they’ve been screwing up, and they try to preempt you with all the empty promises of stuff they’re gonna do that they haven’t done (and probably won’t do anyway), just to try to distract you into thinking that maybe the kid didn’t crash the car or whatever. The worst example of this was the suggestion of a new federal Task Force to investigate mortgage fraud in the housing industry. I don’t understand: (1) why or how this is necessary when there’s a DOJ investigation going on — and has been going on for three years (and has come up with nothing); or (2) why it took so long to focus on this. It so clearly smacks of make-work, nice sounding stuff that reeks of political disingenuity.

    (3) That said, the suggestion that Obama is engaging in class warfare by suggesting a cranking up of the capital gains tax to wage levels (If that’s even what he’s suggesting, and I’m not sure) is silly — it’s no more class warfare than any other tax increase. Now, we can debate whether increasing capital gains taxes is more harmful than helpful — and I’m open to the argument either way, but to describe it as Marxism strikes me as hysterical and undermines what might be more persuasive arguments in favor of leaving the capital gains tax low, or even lowering it. No doubt that the timing of the Romney disclosures of his effective federal tax rate being 14% on kabillions of dollars of money was…problematic, and no doubt Obama is not an idiot and is running on a populist platform in an era of increased income inequality (as is, apparently, Newt). (As an aside, totally lame to bring Buffet’s secretary as a prop — only way that could have been cheesier and more obvious is if she was holding a head shot of Romney and glaring at him).

    (4) All of my distaste for theatrics aside, most people recognize that Obama is not a madrasah-trained crazy-ass Marxist bent on destroying American exceptionalism, any more than Bush II was a deluded pawn of the Saudi Royal family, bent on cranking up Carlyle group profits at the expense of American lives and security. (Then again, maybe he is — although if he is, he did an awfully poor job of showing it last night — again). I don’t know about you, but I’m still feeling pretty darn exceptional. Maybe…with less equity in my house and a 401(k) that ought to cover some of my burial costs — not all, mind you, but some. So…I’m feeling a little equity and retirement fund light in the exceptional loafers. Which leads me to…

    (4) Mitch Daniels. I had not seen him speak at length before and was generally very impressed, but I thought his speech was more of a direct slap at Romney than at BO. He started off by saying Job 2 (not Job 1 — but still up there) was to preserve and maintain the safety net for most Americans, and he made what I thought was a pretty strong argument that there should be some form of means testing for recipients of SS and Medicare. All of which sounded to me like — BO’s point that the wealthy ought to pay a bit more in taxes, and maybe guys like Romney have been living large off the ol’ government when they don’t need or deserve it. I did NOT take from that contention that Daniels wanted to break into my home, liquidate my assets and hand them over to the state — yet. I was, however, absolutely impressed with his demeanor, his timber and his points. Plus, like all the people who have do to these kinds of responses, he was forced to operate at a big disadvantage — no multiple camera shots of him on high speaking to the assembled hushed masses, no audience of partisan Congressional whack-a-moles popping up and down to cheer every other bromide, no Charlie McCarthy-like V.P. in the background there to hang on every word and nod sagely as if the Pres were delivering the Sermon on the Mount (omigosh, you think the military is great! what a thoughtful and persuasive point — I’m going to nod and cheer now); not even an uncomfortable-looking guy from the opposition party there to try to look as respectfully disdainful of everything he said from beginning to end. Just Mitch and one camera and thank you, lord, a not-totally-MGM Grand-like sound stage to make his points. I liked what Daniels said and how he said it. (After doing a little research on him, I was also interested in this factoid — maybe you guys knew this — but as a college student at Princeton, he was active in BOTH the College Republicans AND the anti-war movement).

    (4) Finally, I thought Obama’s call to bipartisanship — as he does every now and then — resonated well. The problem is, of course, that there are huge fundamental differences in how each party views the role of government (at our best, progressives and liberals have faith in the abiilty of government to do great and productive things on behalf of people who did indeed need a collective (ack — I said it — it’s not code, though) response to a problem — at your best, conservatives have faith in the ability of the individual to do great and productive things when unencumbered by government). I wish we could figure out more often than we have how to respect and recognize the good faith each of us has in those goals — that the goals are both worth striving toward — and that neither of us should be demonized by the other for striving after them. Sometimes that means we are at complete loggerheads on public policy questions — so be it, that’s what elections are for — let’s make our arguments are strongly and forcefully and persuasively as we can and then respect when the country chooses one or the other. Part of the problem is that the liberal’s view of the Republican Party right now is that we fear that the Republicans would rather obstruct legislation that it knows or suspects will help people live better, fairer, lives in the name of seizing back power from an Executive Branch that they don’t like. I also know that some conservatives feared during the Iraq War that Democrats would rather we lost the war and looked bad doing so in order to seize back the White House from the Republican Party. Regardless of whether those perceptions are true or not (and I prefer to think they are both completely untrue), we need to avoid putting ourselves in places where they can seem plausible. We do that by reaffirming our commonality as Americans, which leads me finally to…

    (5) My favorite conservative of the night — Jeff Lake, Congressman from Arizona, who sat next to Gabby Giffords and helped her to her feet whenever she wanted to stand to applaud something of BO’s speech she believed in (and with which he did not necessarily agree). I saw him interviewed after the speech and his emotion and sincerity and happiness in helping his colleague — even at the risk of perhaps alienating a casual viewer who might have mistook his standing as support — that represented to me the best of our leaders. I wish we could all act that way, more of the time, in pursuit of our respective, strongly-held beliefs.

    Thanks for reading — if you did — and I’ll appreciate any thoughts, and I hope I did not run afoul of any rules of the board in posting this. If I did, my sincere apologies.

  • snowshooze

    Um… historically, have SOTU speeches ever reported on the state of the Union?
    Or have they all been just so much drivel?
    I tried to watch it. I just couldn’t make it through though.
    But I started a bit late… and I made a good 5 minutes.
    That was probably better than most of the Congress.

  • earlgrey

    I’ve been a lifelong conservative so I don’t have the same takeaways.

    I do love Mitch Daniels and am glad he resonated perhaps a bit with at least on liberal. I am not sure how you found his speech to be targeting Romney though. That seems rather odd.

    What was your take on the bailouts? Did you agree with Obama when he talked about how the auto bailout was a success? Did you agree with Obama when he talked about no more bailouts?

    Having the secretary there as a prop was insulting IMO to all secretaries. It is just kind of low and feeds the class warfare meme?

    I beleive Daniels spoke about our energ policies and his opinions differ some from Obama’s on that? Did you have any thoughts there?

  • runner12

    their faith that a centralized government can be a force of good is that there are thousands of years of history that suggest otherwise. The problem is that Progressives fail to see the humanity of man in an accurate light. It is as if they believe that somehow people will evolve to the point where they will no longer seek power, tyrannize others, or be corrupt. This utopian view has been disproved time and time again.

    Can a Progressive name one country with a strong centralized government that has not spiraled into tyranny? I find it so odd that you all trade away your freedoms so easily for some faux idea of comfort. It’s as if Progressives have never studied an ounce of history in their lives.

    Our country was founded to primarily protect people from an intrusive government. It is why we broke away from England. Why would we undo all that those before us have fought for?

  • aesthete

    that any and all of our Republican nominees should be giving at some point. War with Iran, the horrors of gay marriage, the status of Newt Gingrich’s harem — these are all issues that are completely irrelevant, will not be acted upon by the next President, and which voters really don’t care about. Most voters don’t *like* the idea of entitlement reform, but that’s what’s for dinner in the next couple of decades (whether anyone wants it to be or not). IMO, there’s no better time than now to take care of it: public sentiment is as amenable to it as it will ever be, reducing our deficit shows forward thinking on our part, makes us a good place to invest when the rest of the world looks shaky, and is something that should happen before “”. Even liberals should be thinking seriously about it: generally speaking, old folks and rich folks don’t spend nearly as much of their income as other demographics, and the transfer of funds that Medicare/SS represent in their current iteration could most certainly be used to try to jumpstart the economy through stimulus, or to smooth over the effects of the recession on the most vulnerable. Republicans should be talking about this, and about any ideas they have for creating jobs.

    Obama’s speech was good, but people are starting to notice that all of his major speeches are essentially modified versions of his campaign speeches: few details, an anecdote or two, high-blown, unifying rhetoric, and some crowd-pleasing flourishes. The problem with this is that once you’re in governing mode, campaign speeches don’t really fly: everyone and their illegal Kenyan President without berth sertifikat (couldn’t resist :P ) knows that Obama and the Republicans hate each other and don’t care about bipartisanship, that Obama’s promises are long on the “promise” and short on the delivery, and that things are not right on the Good Ship America. People notice this, and it starts to wear thin: I live in Tucson, near Gabby Giffords’ district and in Raul Grijalva’s, and cynicism regarding these promise-a-minute specials transcends partisan affiliation. Clinton was much better at this: he could give a speech about unity… follow it up with scathing, specific attacks on Republicans and their policies… and make a great case for his own policies… sometimes all in the same speech!

    That’s a governing speech: one where you talk about your vision in specifics, discuss what’s needed to get there, and tear into your opponents for blocking some part of this. The public doesn’t need a facade of friendliness or utopia in the White House. They need to know that you are doing your job, that you know what you’re about, that they agree with you, and what you need from them (votes, support, etc). Bush and Obama are terrible at this, both in different ways. Reagan was one of the few Republicans who could manage this while being incredibly friendly and charming. Obama has the “friendly and charming” part down. People like him and his family. What he doesn’t have is any sort of demonstrated governing ability: it always seems like things are happening around him and outside his control, and as if he is doing some bureaucracy or the Speaker’s bidding. That is part of the reason why, even among his political allies, the “in over his head”/”he doesn’t like his job” meme is so prevalent: he is still in campaign mode, and doesn’t seem to be able to get out. His serious policy speeches being written as campaign speeches (probably by the same team that wrote the successful speeches for ’08) contribute to this. You’ll notice that responses to Obama’s speeches tend to be muted: it’s because whatever they say, no one believes or pays attention to them.

    Do you remember what Obama promised in his last SOTU? Do you remember how many of those things got shelved, died in committee, or ever even got started? Can you tell me what the most important promise was, and why? Me neither — and it’s because Obama’s “policy” speeches have nothing to do with what ends up happening in the real world. If I were advising him, I’d tell him to find busywork for his campaign speechwriters until he revs up the campaign, and to find speechwriters who are familiar with the policies being addressed, and who (in consultation with Obama and his advisers) can find some main issues to focus on that resonate with Americans, that are within the realm of possibility, which are feasible in the real world, and which Republicans are actively blocking. “Green energy” is none of those things, and whoever suggested it was for Obama’s last SOTU should be canned.

    Vis a vis Jeff Flake and Gabby Giffords, both have served together in AZ’s Congressional delegation, and said delegation gets along reasonably well except for Raul Grijalva, who’s kind of his own deal, represents the liberal Hispanic minority in AZ, and generally distances himself from the rest of the delegation. They’re both good people (I’ve met them both), and Jeff Flake and Gabby both have the best constituent services in AZ, bar none. Flake is running for Senate to replace Kyl and his voting tendencies will probably tick you off, but I couldn’t be more thrilled.

  • djrjr

    (1) Why I thought Daniels’ comments stung Romney more than Obama — What I heard Daniels saying (it may not have been what he was really saying, but just what I heard), is that there are problems with income inequality in this country and those problems are most manifest in a broken (or, at least, soon-to-be-broken) safety net that needs to be shorn up. And when he spoke of how to ensure that the safety net was shorn up, his prescription was in the language of ensuring that the wealthier take more responsibility. Making that argument — on the day that Romney released his tax returns — and in the context of Obama’s staking out a position on income inequality, struck me as ultimately more harmful to Romney than to Obama. Perhaps (I should say, likely) it was not intended that way, but that’s how I saw it. (I don’t know if you know this, but if you sign up as a liberal, they hand you these really nice rose-tinted glasses which unfortunately you have wear constantly, if you wanna stay in the club.)

    (2) The auto bailout talking point — I saw that as a direct dig at Romney’s Op-Ed piece when he suggested that the feds let the car companies go bankrupt. From a distance, it does seem like the auto industry bailout has worked out better than the financial industry bailout, and, from what I know, it seems as if the auto industry has done much better since that deal was cut. Am I wrong about that? When Obama talked about no more bailouts, I saw that as kind of generic posturing and I didn’t believe it. After all, most people not in the employ of Jaime Diamond and his ilk probably hate TARP. But here’s the thing about TARP and the financial services bailout — from all accounts I can see, it had to happen at some level. I mean, it’s pretty rare you can get economists to agree on anything, but my recollection was that in 2008 when the shinola was hitting the fan, everybody in the know — from your lefty Krugman-ite to your wannabe Friedmans — was saying that something like that bailout had to happen to keep credit flowing or we would all be in Mad Max land. In retrospect I wish there had been more conditions on the TARP money — because we obviously gave up anything resembling a disincentive to the unconscionable high stakes gambling that led to the financial cratering of 2008 when we just handed those same institutions the keys to the tax revenue vault and said, basically, save us, and don’t forget to give yourselves some nice holiday bonuses, too. But it seems like no one on either side of the aisle thought there was a choice in the face of international economic devestation to the credit markets. OK. I don’t know what lessons have been learned — should we reinstitute Glass Steagall? (McCain says yes, Obama says no — I’m with McCain on this) — should we pass Dodd Frank? (I don’t know yet what difference if any, anything in that bill does). It does — from the outside — seem that the auto bailouts were handled better — more accountability demanded all around (from unions, the auto companies, everyone) as a condition to taxpayer funding, and, from what I can see, I decent result so far. That’s my take. I wish — as a government — we could figure out when we do things that work — and do more of that — and when we do things that don’t work — and do less of that. Why is that so hard to do?

    (3) Buffet’s secretary — I do think that was a low blow, but I don’t think it was insulting to secretaries everywhere (I haven’t asked mine how she felt), I just think it was the kind of SOTU theatric that is not particularly inspiring but more galling. Again, I don’t see the issue as class warfare because I truly don’t think Obama or liberals for that matter hate or want to destroy high earners (heck, some of us are high earners). I think there’s a real concern though that the policies of the last ten years or so have created a scenario where the middle class is eroding and the top 1% have enjoyed phenomally terrific returns — not all of it simply a reflection of the inherent worth of their work or ingenuity — some of it has come from a revised tax system (Bush tax cuts, capital gains tax cuts) that has done wonders for their bottom line at the expense of other important things. Suggesting that a return to Reagan and Clinton-era taxes (when we seemed to do pretty well or at least better) is not class warfare. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not wholly convinced that that will remedy the attack on the middle class at all — I do think it will help more than hurt or I wouldn’t suppor it.

    (4) Energy policy — Not my strong suit and I admit it heartily. My general preference would be for an aggressive public/private partnership to try to create a robust environment for innovation, job growth and some other stupid generic word that nobody could possibly disagree with. How do we get that? I’m betting you have better ideas than I do. I do tend to believe that there is serious damage being done to the environment via certain forms of energy, and that that needs to be neutrally, objectively, scientifically evaluated and we should consider that in any energy policy. (Why is it that conservatives have such a tough time believing that global warming is a real problem that needs attention now and liberals have such a tough time believing that entitlement programs sustainability is a real problem that needs attention now?)

    Those are my thoughts, thanks for asking and I’d love to hear more of what you thought, as well as your view of Daniels and why he didn’t throw in his hat.

  • djrjr

    Enjoyed reading that. And yeah, I can’t remember anything Obama said in his last SOTU other than the thing about excluding illegal immigrants from the health care bill that Joe Wilson screamed about being a lie (or was that the year before?) and the shout out to Alito re: Citizen’s United (which got two heads of Supreme Court justices nodding and two heads shaking, as I recall). And really, that was just drama and not policy, so your point is well taken.

    However, I don’t think it’s the fault of his (probably twenty five year old) speech writer(s), because generally I always come away thinking — wow, nice speech. I just think that’s the nature of the beast. It’s been true about everybody’s SOTU addresses –even Clinton’s (which I agree, were better). I tend to think they all suffer from what you describe — the list of soon-to-be-abandoned policy directives, pie-in-sky nothingness or utterly hyperbolized little executive orders which impact maybe a couple people down the street working on milk spillage issues. Seems to be par for the course since I’ve been old enough to watch these things (don’t ask).

    And I appreciate your point about Clinton which is that he could — in his charming way — take on Republicans directly and still get some policy stuff going. I don’t know why that is. Are the policy goals so much more divisive or ambitious? Does Obama command less respect? Has the Republican party become more obstreperous? I don’t know, which is ironic because I see Obama as far more willing to accomodate than either Clinton or Bush on policy issues, and yet he is constantly attacked as the “most partisan President in history” in the media. (There’s a commonality between conservatives and liberals — we each think the media is out to get us).

    As for debt relief, darn straight everyone should be worried about it, for the reasons you articulate so well. To what degree though, we would probably disagree. Moreover, it seems to me that there’s got to be some give and take and less ideological purity on that issue — if debt relief is really the be-all/end-all goal as some conservatives cast it, then why not support the Affordable Health Care Act. It reduces the debt by decreasing health care costs over the long term. Yes, I understand the principled objection to the individual mandate — that it constitutes an unprincipled and unconstitutional intrusion into the lives of indidivuals by the federal government. OK. But putting aside my own view of the Constitution as allowing that kind of regulation and putting aside my view that it’s no more horribly immoral than requiring us to carry auto insurance (which I’m willing to do without resort to armed revolution no matter how crappy my insurance premiums are because I recognize the overall benefits of everyone at least supposedly getting auto insurance) — but putting aside that — and putting aside all the other benefits of the relatively modest provisions that most people seem to want — isn’t it just a good idea from a debt relief standpoint. Two other points — Bush tax cuts and foreign wars. Big contributors to the deficit over the last ten years. Why aren’t the deficit warriors with us on those?

    Entitlement reform — needs to be the subject of discussion — which is what I liked about Daniels’ response. I posed this question above and it’s more than rhetorical, “Why do conservatives ignore the danger of demonstrable global warming and refuse to take seriously efforts to deal with it now and why do liberals ignore the danger of demonstrable flaying of the safety net in SS/Medicare and refuse to take seriously efforts to deal with it now?

    I dunno. But more talk about that stuff, less talk (please!) about Newt’s sex life (if I have to imagine an open marriage with Newt, Calista, Hillary and Bill one more time, I’m gonna have to kill myself).

  • djrjr

    You will probably be unsurprised to learn that I disagree with your characterization of what progressives think, or what are goals are. Nor do I think we’re overly naive about human nature. I’ll deal with that one first.

    You argue that progressives view humanity in an inaccurate light because we believe that people will evolve to a place where they are not power hungry, self-interested tyrants. I could characterize it far differently than that.

    The way I see progressives, we tend to think that people are generally inherently good but that left to their own devices, can at times be deadly self-interested to the point that they’ll: commit crimes, form companies that pollute or make deadly products or seek to crush competition so that no other people can fairly compete — you know, do the kinds of stuff that require some regulation by other people whose job it is to try to keep that bad stuff from happening while at the same time not crushing the desire or ability of individuals to succeed and innovate. We’re not rose colored about that — if anything, we think that the Adam Smith/Ayn Rand loving conservatives may suffer more from the myopic faith in human nature — the view that a completely unregulated marketplace will ultimately lead to the most happiness for the most people and self-regulation will weed out the bad actors. That conservative vision seems more utopian to us than our vision of moderately regulated capitalism.

    So, yes, progressives tend to see government as more helpful than harmful — or at least we strive to make it that way and believe in that as a possibility. And we’ve seen it in the past. The New Deal seems like it did more good than harm — it wasn’t tyranny to impose price controls and wage laws and Social Security taxes — it was a path out of the Great Depression. Maybe we would have gotten out without them, but I think they did more good than harm. The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Acts — these were not acts of centralized tyranny but of ensuring that the voices of all people could be heard on the political stage and that housing, employment and other necessary services wouldn’t be denied to people based on something as silly as skin color. Did that impose on the “freedom” of some people to discriminate? I guess. But more importantly, it affirmed the more worthy freedom of everybody else to thrive in an open society.

    Finally, I don’t think an effective and balanced federal government is a necessary prelude to fascism, I don’t think historically a balanced federal government has been a necessary precursor to fascism and I don’t think the Founding Fathers thought that either. Yes, they fought to declare independence from a country that sought to dictate policy and impose royal taxes on us without our real permission. But the drafters of the Constitution were darn sure not simply re-doing the loose Articles of Confederation that had a very limited federal government. They wanted the opposite — a federal government that could regulate interstate commerce and preclude the states from engaging in self-interested economic balkanization, a federal executive that could hold the power of a national executive in one office, a federal judiciary that could (so said Marshall at least) determine for the whole country what the Constitution means when there was a question about it. And they did it deftly — recognizing the inherent evils in a too-centralized government, they tried to balance federal and state power and balance power between the different branches — all to avoid tyranny. And — 220 years later — it still looks good to me.

    Progressives don’t want to unwind the Constitution. We like the balance. We appreciate the checks. But there is a role for a federal government, and we have some degree of faith that the role can be productive — and not crushing — of the individual, or of the state. And, historically, we’ve got a nice support for that hope — the last 220 years.

    Anyway, those are this progressive’s thoughts. I’d welcome further discussion.

  • earlgrey

    Got kids to put to bed, but on the bailouts. Here is my problem with the auto bailout.

    The govt. pushed aside the bondholders who should have been first in line for anything that was left of the auto companies. That is not normal procedure for a bankruptcy. The unions got a better end of the deal than bondholders since the govt. divided the goodies.

    How can people wisely invest in companies and bonds if there is the possiblilty that the govt. will step in and redistribute the goodies how they see fit rather than follow normal bankruptcy law.

    No matter how successful the automotive companies become or even if they taxpayers get paid back (which they haven’t) the unprecedented seizure of the first in line position by the govt. is unacceptble and many have argued unconstitutional.

    How does anyone invest knowing that the govt. could just come in and make deals the way they see fit? THat is what the law and bankruptcy are for not for the Czar appointed by the Obama administration.

    On Daniels, I have some thoughts. My family are all in IN. I’ll try to respond tomorrow.

  • aesthete

    If the point of a SOTU is to make you think, “Obama is a great speech-giver”, then you’re right: they’ve been wildly successful. I’ve been in enough Pentecostal churches that the speech stylisms don’t really do much for me, but I understand that most people really like Obama speeches on an emotional level. However, I don’t think that’s wise strategy: like I said, people already like Obama on a personal level, and think he’s a good speech-giver. Both of those qualities are not helping Obama to effectively implement his own policies, and what he needs is an appeal to the American people to implement what he wants into action. What he wants and what he prioritizes is not all that clear: that allows him to be characterized by his opponents in ways that undoubtedly cause his political advisors angst. It won’t stop until he makes clear what he’s about, and that entails coming down from the cloud of fluffy, fluffy hope on which he was pontificating during the ’08 election, and getting down in the nitty-gritty of things. I was consistently astonished during the debate for the Affordable Care Act by how poor Pres Obama’s understanding and logical case for his proposal was; there was no mastery of facts that compared with, for example, this exchange between Bill Clinton and Herman Cain. Personally, I’m glad that Obama hasn’t made any changes on this front; it makes it a lot easier for conservatives to present an effective opposition.

    As far as Obama’s divisiveness, it’s very simple: the Democrat party, while in control of all of government, was arrogant, stupid, and tried to pass a lot of stuff that people either didn’t care about or which made them angry. In this sort of environment, it makes no sense for the opposition to be compliant: why would they help you pass, or help make better, a bill that they know they can get political points off of? Much like Republicans and their “misunderestimation” of the Iraq War’s political impact, and the impact of ignoring fiscal conservatives, Dems peeved lots of voters by 1) not focusing on unemployment, and offering a weak stimulus package criticized by the left and the right, and 2) demoralizing their base by not ending or expanding the wars sooner than they were scheduled, and by passing a healthcare bill that was essentially a rip-off of one of Heritage’s proposals for healthcare in the 90s. Obama squandered a whole ton of political power — more than FDR started with, more than JFK started with, and more than what Clinton started with. Losing that much political power and achieving so little makes people look askance on your ability to lead.

    Finally, deficit reduction in the short term is going to have to be comprehensive for it to stick politically: it will involve tax hikes, cuts to military spending, discretionary cuts, and entitlement reform. Unfortunately, healthcare reform is not on the table: Obama shot his wad on that one, and any and all comprehensive healthcare bill is going to be politically toxic. The problem with sensible reform as I see it is that liberals want far too many guardrails to make a market system effective and responsive, and moderate liberals are too wedded to employer-based healthcare. Markets just don’t work well at all if they’re too constrained, and the US is too conservative of a country to accept single-payer (which I concede is better than the monstrosity that the Dems passed). In general, liberals don’t understand/distrust incentives, or see them as immoral. That’s problematic when you’re ostensibly designing a market-based system. On the right, too few people understand the problems with the status quo. Personally, I would love to see something like Singapore’s healthcare system; I know that’s the go-to example, but I do see it as meeting the basic goals for both conservative and liberal reform efforts.

    One of the things that I liked about Daniels was that he basically understood what was wrong with healthcare, entitlements, etc, and talked about them in a very reasonable way. Alas, I don’t see that kind of talk or prioritization from any of the current Republican candidates, or from your guy, who seems content to let other people handle these, and other, issues of importance.

  • JSobieski

    When his debt commission revealed some opportunities, Obama ran off the field.

    There is a bi-partison consensus to lower tax rates in exchange for eliminating deductions. Why doesn’t Obama support this effort?

    He has no interest in it. Obamare cares nothing for economic efficiency—it is all politics to him.

    Clinton in contrast respected the bond market.

  • tngal

    But you do not need to defend me from the likes of him. By reviewing his answer we learned several things..

    A) He either has poor reading comprehension skills or lacks the time to read each word. One or both of these deficiencies will come back and bite you when least expect it.

    B) He’s a bit pompous.

    C) He has not followed the Hermain Cain rule of life and government. Namely, “get a sense of humor.”

    Poor thing. I feel sorry for him.

    C’mon Meldoy & Barleycorn. We have other real battles to fight. Onward.

  • tngal

    I don’t know why I’m so late with this. I guess I was so wrapped up in the awe and majesty of last night’s debate that I really overlooked the threads. Thanx again to all who are watchin’ my back.

  • funwithknives

    Great State Of Tennessee. Land of THE MOST Polite People I have EVER MET. No joke,& No smoke.
    { THNX for the come back}

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    No doubt about that at all. Just one tngal lookin’ out for another. Took all of about 2 seconds.

    I wouldn’t be too hard on the motorcycle man. I’ve been guilty of missing the sarc tags myself from time to time.

  • runner12

    My only question to you is, why do you think the administrators of the Federal Government are less likely to be corrupted than those in the private sector?

    The corruption of man is not isolated to one class of people. Government officials are just as susceptible to corruption and oppressing the masses as big corporations. In fact, the Feds are probably the most corrupt “corporation” there is today.

    You make the assumption that government always is good and run by good people. This is a naive view. Our Founding Fathers knew and believed this. The checks and balances they set up would be virtually unrecognizeable to them today. Over time, the federal government has grown astronomically and the powers of the states weakened.

    As to Progressives loving the Constitution, you may want to read what the modern Progressive thinkers actually believe about it. They do not like the “balance” as you do and they would be happy if it went away tomorrow.