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And We Should Hate Newt Gingrich for This?

All the members of the Republican Party who have been complicit and collaborative in the destruction of our nation in the past few decades always talking about smaller government while never fighting against the tide of creeping socialism have now come out against Newt Gingrich.

Yesterday, at National Review, Elliot Abrams attacked Newt Gingrich for attacking Ronald Reagan from the right.

Today, it is Bob Dole’s turn.

Bob Dole, you will remember from George Stephanoupolos’s memoir of his time in Clinton’s White House, totally cut the legs out from under Newt Gingrich and House Republicans during the government shut down. According to the Democrats, they were within twenty-four hours of caving to the House Republicans’ demands, but Bob Dole surprised them all by caving first.

Dole went on to lose to Bill Clinton and still hates Newt Gingrich for it because Gingrich was the face used to attack Dole — a man who would have been the hero in the fight had Dole not caved.

And we’re supposed to hate Newt Gingrich because Bob Dole caved to the Democrats twenty-four hours before they were going to cave to Gingrich?

Pffffft.

The fix is in for Romney, which just means when he is crushed by Barack Obama a lot of Republicans will have a lot of explaining to do. Newt may not be able to win. But Romney sure as hell can’t beat Obama either if Newt can’t win. The problem remains — Gingrich supporters intrinsically know this to be so and are happy to die fighting. Romney’s supporters are still deluding themselves.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

    Are you willing to lose with Romney?

    I was willing to lose with Perry. I’m willing to lose with Newt. Doesn’t mean he would lose, but even with Newt’s flaws, a Newt campaign would stand for things worth fighting for even in defeat. One advantage that gives is that when Newt or another conservative candidate is down, people keep fighting for him..

    Entire rationale for backing Romney is his odds of winning, and people wanting to be on the winning side. You really do not want to see what it looks like in August and September if Romney starts to look like a loser. Who will stay in his corner to the bitter end to prevent a blowout?

  • clintonformccain

    This makes for a fun talking point, but I’ve never seen anything to suggest that Mitt Romney is the darling of the Republican “establishment”. The comparison to McCain and Dole are clever, but wide of the mark. Those were all consumate Washington insiders. Romney has never had a position in Washington.

    Honesty, I don’t think the Republican establishment is that enamored with Romney. I just think they — correctly — view him as the only credible nominee in a breathtakingly weak field. If anything, the problem with the Republican field this year is that it didn’t have any serious “establishment” candidates. Running for President (and being President) is, after all, a pretty much the ultimate “establishment” thing to do.

  • Whacker77

    I never thought I would say this, but conservatives in Florida ought to vote for Newt. I don’t support Newt, but I want to see the race continue. I also think Newt winning in Florida might scare a better candidate into the race.

  • votemout2012

    This is what happens when you give your loyalty and support to candidate who has a ton of Baggage and tons of enemies. Anyone could see this coming. Romney had lots of money and plenty of material on Newt. You backed the wrong horse. If Newt makes it the primary he will never survive the billion dollar Obama attack Machine.

  • veto

    I understand we are left with few choices but I don’t think Gingrich will have as easy time convincing independents to vote for him. Yep he won in SC but we usually do win in SC. How we he do in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, NH, etc….

    I think he throws a lot of conservatives at least me when he comes out and says hes proud of voting for medicare D. Last I checked medicare was listed at 82,000,000,000,000 in the hole.

    I think he is a great speaker, great debater, but in the end he is a big government Republican. People will have to ask themselves if that’s what they want or not.

  • Common_Cents

    Tom DeLay!?

    Dole and DeLay coming out against Gingrich should be a defacto endorsement.

    Don’t you love how people blast the DC establishment (congress polling at all time lows?) but then now SIDE with them when they come out against Gingrich?

    The DC establishment is coming out in force to destroy Gingrich. I hope the tea party sees this and gets re-energized.

    Gingrich is now fighting on 2 fronts. His own party establishment wing and the left/media.

    How did CONgress/Republicans do SINCE Gingrich if he was so bad? The record is clear.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The motivation to support Gingrich would be greater in the general. Hmmm.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s your party that fixes it with superdelegates by the truckload.

  • J. Leg

    Your last paragraph is excellent.

    The sole reason a lot of people are supporting Romney is because they believe he can beat Obama. But Romney hasn’t given us a compelling reason to support him.

    If it’s Romney vs. Obama, Expect this next election to be all about the 99% (Obama) vs the 1% (Romney) and expect him to loose handily.

    Also, expect Trump to seriously considering jumping into the fray as he’s said he believes Romney would be “a disaster”. I think it would be the most insane thing for Trump to do, as it would ensure another 4 years of Obama, but expect him to start taking it more seriously.

  • acat

    The same conservative base who have labored so hard (but have, as usual, spread themselves behind too many candidates) to not have Romney as the spearhead.

    Just as we didn’t much care for McCain, or Dole, or .. really ..either Bush.

    We’ll be the ones backing Romney – should he win the nomination – and just like with McCain, it won’t be us who stay home on election day.

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    The volatility is so high this season and Newt is so hated, that an apparent Newt pathway to victory is the only way to force a brokered convention.

  • veritaseequitas

    performance against Bill Clinton along with his minus ZERO personality, who, I ask, gives a rat’s butt about anything he would have to say? Ditto John McCain, ditto John Sununu, ditto Elliot Abrams. These people should be ashamed of themselves that they are so eaten up with revenge and insecurity over their perpetual state of irrelevancy they would rather see a disaster like Barack Obama win and further harm this country than get behind Newt who has ta least a fighting chance of defeating The Communist and dismissing him from the office which he fraudulently holds. Shame, shame, shame on them.

  • circlegranch

    he opened his show commenting that he wonders how long it will be before we’ll start seeing the “Miss me yet?” billboards w/ Perry’s photo like the ones of Bush popping up around the country.

    Indeed.

  • DerKrieger

    …and will continue to say it. If we want to downsize the federal government and keep ourselves gap from becoming slaves then we MUST restore the 10th Amendment and return to federalism because we CANNT count on electing enough conservatives to counter the Left and their RINO allies.

    Stop placing all of your eggs in the federal basket. Concentrated power is the Left’s goal, ours should be the exact opposite because tyrants can’t manage distributed power. Decentralization is their weakness and our strength.

    If Obama wins it is even more crucial that we erect a state level bulwark against his unconstitutional power grabs. Federal power relies on cooperation. If there is no cooperation, central government power collapses!

  • sigmasix

    It’s about the Senate. It’s about being in charge of the money. It’s not about cutting spending. The Republican establishment is not signed on to the cutting spending business. You ask, “What do you mean, who is this Republican establishment?” Two things. They don’t like conservatives and they’re not really all that concerned about spending. They want to be in charge of it. That’s who they are. And they are not gonna be in charge of it if they don’t hold the House and if they don’t pick up the Senate and lose to Obama gracefully. And that’s what they really want. They’re not and never have been convinced that Obama can be beat.

    So, mitten fans, good luck because your looking at a 1996 electoral map again except Georgia and Mississippi are turning blue this time.

  • goodgovernance

    For those who were there in the 80s, a lot of conservatives were uncomfortable with Reagan’s efforts to reach out to Gorbachev. Thank goodness Reagan turned out to be right, but it wasn’t like Gingrich was all on his own on that.

    I mean, even George Will – someone I doubt anyone would call a fire eater – declared that Reagan had lost the Cold War after a visit by Gorbachev to Washington DC.

  • kevhead62

    It’s unbelievable that anybody here can honestly think that the election will be that tough. I haven’t heard from anyone I know that they’re the least bit excited to pull the lever for BO, and I live in Illinois. The passion is clearly on the side opposed to the current regime, and not for it. Many will admit to still be on the fence as to who should be the Republican nominee, but have no doubt our side will win in the general. Even Independents don’t want to deal with the Socialistic, narcissistic current occupant of the White House anymore. This administation is such a disaster that it can’t be hidden or glossed over by attacking the other side, who will clearly point out the situation we’re currently in.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • lakeshore

    Everyone keeps saying that Romney will lose more easily than Gingrich. I think just the opposite. Newt can be attacked more personally than Mitt–never a good thing for a candidate. Newt betrayed his wive(s), Mitt is a good family man. Believe it or not, personality and morality matter to a lot of people. They are both calculating flip-floppers. It’s just a matter of who most people would rather entrust the Presidency to: a good businessman, or a chaotic caricature. Newt’s arrogance keeps coming through–his “forgive me” story is hard to stomach. I still hope someone better than Romney can be the nominee, but Gingrich is not.

    http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2012/01/24/exclusive-gingrich-to-evangelicals-my-past-weaknesses-make-me-more.aspx

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The voters heard him at his first two debates and tuned him out. Unfortunately.

  • boats48

    Bob-lamer than McCain-Dole? He’s still alive? What next, an endorsement from Jimmy Carter? The establishment has definitely got themselves in a panic! I just shot a message to Matt Drudge to knock it off! Obama is the enemy, let’s fight that battle, not each other!
    I’m not totally sold on Newt but he looks way better than Romney at the moment. Romney hasn’t demonstrated any of that business like decision making capacity yet. He diddles & dawdles like our current Potus.

  • lakeshore

    From that interview: “He goes on to say that, ?it may make me more normal than somebody who wanders around seeming perfect and maybe not understanding the human condition, and the challenges of life for normal people.? (Dig at Romney???)”

  • In The Hook

    The base won’t turn out to vote against Obama? Hogwash.

    I’m with Dan on his first statement. If this was Perry or Pawlenty or McDonnell or Jindal, I’d fight to the bitter end. And frankly I don’t think there would be a bitter end with any of those guys provided they could run competent campaigns because they are strong governors.

    Newt ain’t any of those guys. And he’s not a fighter for conservatism. He’s an egotistical lunatic.

  • veritaseequitas

    and Newt knows how to do that. Monday night in the debate he tried to defend himself against Romney’s attacks when he should have lambasted him like he did to John King and Juan Williams. Romney is not programmed to go for the jugular and he just looks stupid when he attempts to do it. Newt can and will.

  • veritaseequitas

    :)

  • lakeshore

    Newt is good at rhetoric, but not results–at least not permanent ones. This country needs a healer, and I’m not sure either of these men is the one.

  • WillWong

    and do just the opposite. The more they come out and smear Newt, the more they push me towards pulling the trigger for Newt!

  • romansdaughter

    Boy I had not thought of that and I am seeing that is what we should do cause sad to say but I see 4 more years of Obama. Mitt cannot win and Newt won’t either…very sad. Well I am a Rick Perry fan and I am sure that Gov. Perry will be fighting for 10th amendment rights for another 4 years and I will be wishing I could move to Texas. What a sad mess!

  • In The Hook

    Who is going to ride to the rescue in a brokered convention situation? I can’t think of anybody besides maybe Christie, McDonnell and Jindal. Ryan is too inexperienced, same goes for Rubio. Daniels got vetoed by his wife. Pawlenty, Huntsman and Perry already lost. I can’t really come up with another guy who could jump in here.

    If there was somebody great out there and no risk Newt could actually WIN the nomination, then by all means I’d be in favor of this strategy. The problem is that it’s more likely that Gingrich would start to look like a “winner” and start racking up victories and pick up some of Santorum’s support and soft Romney supporters.

    I cannot contemplate Newt Gingrich being our nominee, so even if it means I have to battle fellow conservatives to convince them to vote for a guy I don’t even LIKE in Romney, I’m gonna do it.

  • Common_Cents

    If this stuff wasn’t so pathetic it’d be funny.

  • lineholder

    of what it means to serve the people who have elected them into office. They have their own safe PC-controlled world they live in. That’s become their comfort zone. And they aren’t about to come out of that comfort zone unless we the people find a way to provide the incentive for them to do so.

    Newt is at least expressing he would challenge them on this, and they don’t want him anywhere near the Presidency because of it. There’s a chance that he means to do exactly what he says he would do, and that’s what they’re afraid would come to pass.

    All four of the candidates in this race have left-leaning policy decisions of some sort hidden in their political “closets”. And we’ve been beating each other black and blue with them for weeks. I’m starting to wonder if it would be simpler to make a list of the left-leaning policy decisions they’ve each been involved in, review them objectively, try to determine what kinds of left-leaning policy decisions our nation might be able to afford economically and socially and which ones we can’t, and do a risk analysis of each of the candidates from there.

    As it is, we’re just spinning our wheels and alienating those who would be our allies.

  • lakeshore

    WillWong, I understand your feelings, but remember we’re all in the same boat. You might get some brief satisfaction in hurting the establishment, but then what? Let’s hope that if Romney goes down, the party establishment will get behind a more Conservative candidate as a replacement. But keep in mind, they might also give in to “the voter’s choice” and then we’re stuck with Gingrich–exactly what the Dems want.

  • romansdaughter

    nt

  • tailfins1959

    Anyone that goes through life not caring how many enemies they make is just asking for it. If you have enough people laying in wait, eventually an opportunity will present itself and one or more will pull the rug out from under you.

  • acat

    It’s the same establishment {ignavus infirmas} who will stop paying attention and who will forget to go to the polls to get Romney elected when it gets tough in August.

    Just as with McCain and Dole, they ignore the conservative base, tricky-dick their candidate into winning, and go hide when it gets scary.

    Backstabbing {illegitemi} {phallus vitulamen}.

    Mew

  • clintonformccain

    I’ve voted a straight Republican ticket in the last four general elections, including writing in Sarah Palin’s name against my local state rep who was running unopposed in 2008. So, you may think you know “my party”, but you don’t.

    For the record, I’m registered as “unenrolled” (independent), have been for over 20 years.

  • nativetexan41

    What about Romney running away from Reagan when he was running against
    Ted K. saying he did not want to go back to the Reagan/Bush years. He is not conservative.
    I think we are looking at 4 more years of Obama if Romney is the nominee, he can not think on his feet. He only has his pat answers.
    We are in a mess this years.

  • Samsara

    nt

  • avagreen

    God help us, Please.

  • http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/ libertarianneocon

    Seriously, when was the last time the Republican establishment got behind the right guy? In terms of recent candidates, can anyone say that Dole, and the 2 Bushes were better than Phil Gramm, Steve Forbes and Jack Kemp?

    Going back, when was the last time we actually had a good GOP establishment President? Id probably argue Calvin Coolidge and he only got there because he was VP when Harding died.

    We have to stop the establishment. We should all get behind Newt and let them put up Jen Rubin against the Tea Party and see who wins.

  • cfoy65

    If the republican party cannot win this election, with the worst president in modern history, it has way more problems than either of our candidates! What would happen if Newt did get the nomination…are all those on the right that say he is “unelectable” suddenly going to come out and tell everyone to vote for him? A little hypocritical don’t you think? It is almost as if the republican party enjoys losing.

  • WillWong

    Here to win the General Election and I am convinced that Newt is more electable than Romney. At least we have a fighting chance with Newt. With Romney, it is a forgone conclusion that he will lose. He will not be able to talk about Obamacare. He will be the perfect foil (1%) for the Obama campaign (99%).

    “we?re stuck with Gingrich?exactly what the Dems want”—-I do not agree with this atatement at all! One of Romney’s talking points!

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    I personally enjoy how Newt says don’t be “for me” be “with me”.

    My reluctance to support him at this point is that I don’t mind charging the hill so long as there’s a point to the strategy. If Newt goes down being conservative, that’s one thing, if he goes down by “Newt being Newt”… I can’t help him with that.

    Which is why I hope Newt wins Florida, and I also hope that Romney stays in long enough to sharpen Newt’s team. If Newt’s team can’t out campaign Romney’s team in the primary, then how can we expect them to do well in the general? I mean it’s not like Romney’s people are fighting for him… right?

    But at least we won’t have to hear

  • WA_Cowboy

    Just as you say, Dan

    The only reason I’ve heard (granted in my limited experience) for supporting Romney is “but he can win!”

    And all this talk of winning the senate, house, or whatever doesn’t mean anything if the guy at the top of the ticket isn’t worth fighting for.

    The million dollar question: Who in the RNC decided that Romney would make a good president? What in his governing and electoral record gives any hint of it at all? That’s what baffles me more than anything

  • andystone

    N/T

  • WillWong

    Yes, God Help us!

  • kestrel

    The Republican elite is totally enamored of Romney because they know he won’t quash their influence-peddling or make them do anything difficult. He is a risk-averse personality, who will make “adjustments” to Obama’s policy disasters rather than tear them out by the roots. His record of governing in Massachusetts, as well as his temperament (and even his debating approach, of “don’t take risks, wait for others to take risks and implode”), reveals perfectly the template of the Washington insider mindset of “go along to get along”.

    If you think Romney will repeal ObamaCare, you are delusional. He will never quite get around to it. There is, after all, Iran to deal with, and many other things that will suddenly become more important, or will turn out to require more of his time and attention, than repealing ObamaCare.

    Romney may have made a good president at another time, but not at this crucial juncture in our history.

  • acat

    that is, a challenger from his right …

    if he doesn’t figure out how to do minimal outreach soon.

    Mew

  • lineholder

    They won’t have to actually serve what is in the best interests of the people who elect them into office. They’ll get to continue acting like a bunch of Dem-lites where spending is concerned. They get to play the power games and kick the can down the road rather than taking the initiative to find and fight for long-term solutions to the issues our nation is facing.

    Romney is more likely to give them all the leeway they desire on that. Newt may not be so inclined.

  • http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

    Exactly.

    Given that into whatever debate we’re on now and this is Romney’s second time around,

    Romney still can’t turn dodge or turn around his flip flops, tax and financial questions on someone else or turn them into a selling point for America and captialism.

    I have no doubt that he’s going to be waxed as mr. wall street and he won’t be able to come back as he hadn’t yet by relatively no attacks.

    Face it, the GOP best chance is obama voters staying home or saying not again.

  • paladin1

    without going into the reasons since they are in the diary I wrote, but we will sink if we go for this option. I choose to go with Gingrich and take my chances. I will not be a party to a Romney vote until he is the last man standing because he stands for nothing except what his audience wants to hear. Since all the “smart” folks ran Governor Perry off, I affirm EE’s thought; I am ready to die fighting for Gingrich rather than die with a whimper with Romney.

  • kevhead62

    Absolutely we’re in much bigger trouble if we can’t win it. It should be a landslide, but doesn’t need to be. Maybe that’s what a lot of people are expecting, someone who is basically flawless, has no skeletons in the closet, and has been consistently conservative from day one. Ain’t gonna happen this time! So in the meantime the candidates are beating each other up and it’s not pretty, and may be making some people a little nervous right now. But once the candidate is chosen there is soooo much ammo to throw at BO that it won’t matter as much what’s being exposed at this point.

  • mikeymike143

    i live in a swing state(florida), and when i talk to people who voted for obummer last time they will be the first to say that they are not voting for him again. and i am not talking about the hardcore dems who would vote lenin for president over a republican, i am talking about the average voter who fell for all the press and hype and decided to give obama a chance last time. those people are not pleased with the way obummer has turned this country to the far left.

  • JSobieski

    All we need is a “besides” list of one (or more people).

    Daniels could have a change of heart. So could other people on the “besides” list.

    We are in situation filled with lots of bad options and little consensus within the party as to how to weigh those bad options.

    I cannot contemplate Romney being our nominee, and even his supporters (reluctant or otherwise) should acknowedge that most of the party feels the same way.

    Both sides are being driven to support an undesirable candidate based solely on an assessment that the other candidate is even worse. If that isn’t a recipe for thinking outside the box, I don’t know what is.

    General rules for a third option:

    Nobody who ran and lost can be the nominee
    The person should have appeal to the tea party folks as well as the “establishment”

    Lets put real pressure on people to get in.

  • msbs05

    and we should stand with him. Romney is a self-described progressive. Establishment pushes Romney because they want the status quo, but Romney wont win. Looking at polls from this week, 75% of GOP doesn’t support Romney, only 23% of independents have favorable opinion of him, the class-warfare left hates him as a 1% type. Just where is the proof Romney can win?
    The conservative base is openly mocked by Romney’s establishment legions, including Romney’s staff that worked for Crist. Gingrich admires and supports us. A massive poll of 29,000 Tea Party members showed that 48% were for Newt and only 15% for Romney, and those were polled before Romney flip-flopped again today on housing, now saying government should save the failing homeowners like Obama says, instead of earlier stance the market needs to bottom out.
    Newt brought in the Republican revolution of the 90′s, not Romney who was calling himself a progressive at the time. The Tea Party brought in the victory in 2010, not the establishment. Now with only 15% of the Tea Party supporting Romney, the establishment types want you to believe only moderates can win general elections. To win elections there needs to be a fire, some excitement for a candidate. Romney does not provide that for even his supporters, they just think he will be less offensive to the left.
    As a Tea Party activist I will work and donate for Newt, but not Romney. I am not alone. We wont be out there working hard, so the establishment will have little help to finance this slap in the face to conservatives. With Newt on the ticket we have a chance, we have excitement, we have volunteer workers. I’ll take my chance of losing with Newt over certain loss with Romney.

  • david1313

    Not that it matters much, but it is interesting non-the-less. I am a Newt fan, because I remember it all. I remember him bring the repubs back to power, I remember those years. I remember the trumped up ethics charges and the results. Newt is not a perfect candidate, but conservative he is. At least when compared to either mr. Romney or mr. Santorum. Newt is our best bet in my opinion. My prayers are with the Florida voters.

  • JSobieski

    We have a bifurcated party where neither side is so much supporting their guy as being really disgusted with the other guy.

    Either the statements on both sides is highly exaggerated (probably true to some extent), or we have two candidates that can’t even get all of the R voters in a general election.

    If a convention ever serves a valid “check” on the process, it is this year.

  • nepanyrush

    I almost cannot believe that Erick and others are supporting Newt? How old is Erick? I lived through the Gingrich years. He was an absolute disaster as Speaker. At the end, his popularity was around 13% Obama will have a tremendous, tremendous amount to work with.

    Also, Elliot Abrams was not attacking Newt because “Newt was coming from the right.” That is misinformation. He is attacking Newt because Newt was lying, repeatedly, about his relationship with Reagan and all the things they did together. Just like he lied about ABC in his impassioned SC attack on the media. Newt’s technique will work short time. Over the course of an general election, Newt will be back to 13% popularity. All Obama has to do is remind the public about who Gingrich is.

    And, I agree with Ann Coulter that Newt is not even conservative. That Romney and Santorum are the real conservatives left. Newt talks great, like a professor, but has advocated very non-conservative positions. At least Romney and Santorum have been consistent these last 6 years. Newt has been out advocating an individual mandate at the federal level (something Romney opposed) , calling Ryan’s plan “right-wing social engineering” (and going back to that point, depending on the audience), uses the OWS rhetoric, and other liberal positions.

    I cannot even believe people are supporting Gingrich. Personally, I could never face my wife and say that I support this ethical mess. My wife and daughters keep telling me how much they despise what Gingrich did to his wives and pray that he doesn’t win because he can speak well. I would be tremendously embarrased for the Republican Party if they elected someone for his rhetoric and ignored the reality of Newt Gingrich. God help us all.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    This is a site for conservative Republicans, not Clintonite Indys.

    Lave our primary to our party. We don’t want your opinion.

  • submariner45

    ?So if the Presidential Preference Primary in Georgia were tomorrow, I?d vote for Mitt. Sure, he has waffled on social issues ? but I think that highlights his pragmatic approach to politics. He was never going to get elected as a pro-life candidate in Massachusetts and he knew it. I won?t fault him. I think, if he gets elected based on conservative support, he won?t betray that support in office.?

    Erick Erickson 4 years ago

  • WA_Cowboy

    and have been thinking the same thing as people lament Newt’s personal life baggage and talk about how that makes him unelectable.

    or how Santorum is a big spender

    and Romney is neither a social nor a fiscal conservative

    the three legged stool candidate was there, but as Neil says, the voters tuned him out after his first two debates.

    to quote another regular poster here: “We get the government we deserve.”

    Which is sad but true because it shows how clueless most americans — even those who actually follow politics are.

  • paladin1

    and I still vehemently disagree. There are many good reasons to avoid a brokered convention and here are a few:

    “A brokered convention will do nothing except alienate the voters in the states who have played by the rules and made their choices known. To start the general election campaign with an untested, little-vetted candidate, is foolishness in the extreme. A brokered convention is the surest way to insure a victory for Obama in an election cycle when almost any credible Republican candidate currently in the field could beat the incumbent (discounting Ron Paul, who is neither conservative nor Republican). Each of the potential candidates proposed to take the convention through the brokering process have issues which make them no better than anyone currently in the field. Jeb Bush becomes the moderate ?Bush Dynasty candidate?; Governor Christie inherits the mantle of Romney from his social stances and support of him; Governor Daniels did not have the fire in the belly to enter the fray initially and will be seen as an opportunist if he factors in the mix; and Paul Ryan who has not the experience nor the following to be a viable candidate in the general election.”

    And:

    “FDR was the last successfully elected President from a brokered convention; after that, the Republicans lost with Dewey against Truman in a brokered convention in 1948 and the Democrats lost with Adlai Stevenson in 1952 against Eisenhower. No, a brokered convention is not the way to success in 2012 and if the Republican Party pursues that route, it will certainly make the fears of all the combined current candidate camps a needless and horrible reality.”

    Gingrich represents the fighter that so many conservatives want; what we no longer will accept is to have compromise candidates shoved down our throats and that is what Romney or any product of a brokered convention will be. The worst thing that could happen is for one of the candidates who has previously declined to run to step up due to the pressure you advocate. He would have to be in it because HE wanted it and not because of duty or outside pressure. This was the charge so often thrown at Governor Perry, and so many people seemed to support it then. Why the change?

  • david1313

    are encouraged that Newt has repented…and is forgiven. It is a true family value in our home. And calling Romney a conserative is an outrage, and is not consistant with the way he governored or his own speech. Santorum is not much better. But don’t try and convert me, I lived through those years too. I am in my early sixties but I remember. Nancy Reagan handed the torch to Newt for good reasons. Great men often have great faults. Newt will go down in history as the one that brought conservative causes back to life. You don’t have to agree, and spare me the silly misinformation of your last post. I did not have to read about Newt, I remember him.

  • WA_Cowboy

    if what you say is true (and am more convinced of it every day) it is a sad, sad state of affairs.

    The lesson seems to be never trust people with power, no matter how trustworthy they may seem.

    it would be interesting to see where and when in history the american people started trusting their government too much

  • In The Hook

    Goes right to what I’ve been saying for a long time here. How did this place become so crazy anti-Mitt when he was apparently the conservative savior in the ’08 field?

    He’s only moved further to the right since then and he bankrolled the heck out of conservative candidates in 2010.

    I admit that’s about as positive as I get on Romney, but he’s not a crazy choice like Gingrich would be.

  • pdawk

    Every horse RedState has tried to ride in this election cycle has crashed and burned. Perry killed himself with his gaffe a minute campaign and now people are just remembering why Newt had a favorability rating in the mid teens in the late 90′s.

    Even Rush, who is no lover of Romney has gotten into the fray and just flat out kneecapped Gingrich today.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/26/coordinated_avalanche_against_newt_doesn_t_match_my_memory_of_reagan_years

    Newt would be a disaster at the front of the ticket. He is getting killed in swing state polling, independents hate him, and he is likely to say or do something so outlandish that we get punished down ballot. Romney will win Florida and cruise to the nomination.

    I don’t think RS needs to openly support him, but it is getting past time to stop calling the future nominee of our party unelectable.

    I

  • sulmak

    But in red states that are certain to vote R, conservatives might stay home, creating less of a coat tail effect in swing districts.

  • redcal

    nt

  • aj_0000

    If the “establishment” can look at 2008 and 2010 and conclude that they can beat Obama without conservatives, they deserve what’s coming to them. The elites are morons, and lunatics.

    Either that, or they’re so left wing in private that they would rather lose with a Massachusetts liberal than win with a conservative.

    The way that they constantly spit in our faces and stomp on us is really the result of one calculation on their part: no matter who they nominate, we’ll still go out and vote for them because they’re not Obama. The “anybody but Obama” mantra is not a mantra of conservatives. It’s a mantra of the establishment, intended to keep conservatives in line when they force a liberal Republican down our throats.

    Romney will not even repeal Obamacare. He’s barely even trying to hide who he is. 70% of the Republican Party (conservatives) are getting rolled by 30% (moderates). This is an atrocity.

    If you are a conservative, you should not donate one dime or one minute of your time to Romney if he’s the nominee. I will not vote for him, and you shouldn’t either. You need to realize when someone has declared war on you,. The GOP elite have declared war on conservatives.

  • oldphart

    but I worry that we’re not looking at the bigger “fix” that could be waiting.

    Almost daily I see stories about how Obama has turned one faction or another against him. Black voters, women, liberal Catholics… the list goes on. So if he’s alienating all these groups that supported him in 2008, why is he still in the race? Perhaps he knows something we don’t. Maybe Diebold will win for him, regardless of the true vote count. Maybe the military exercises in Los Angeles are a rehersal for the election we don’t get.

    I know, this has all been hashed out before and it’s always been overblown. Besides, it’s never happened before (at least not in this country) so it can’t happen now. Still, I don’t trust the SOB or any of his handlers. They WILL try to screw us over if we let them. Look what they’ve done to us so far.

  • bornagainrealist

    “Why do people take such an instant dislike to me?” asked Gingrich, to whom Bob Dole replied “Because it saves them time.”

  • lineholder

    That charge was left to us…we the people. We’ve not adhered to the advice our founding fathers provided for us. In that regards, we have only ourselves to blame.

    But I refuse to believe that it is too late. This isn’t over. Not by a long shot.

  • aj_0000

    If Romney is the nominee, I am officially and independent, and will not vote for him in November. Say hello to 2008 again, and four more years of Obama. By the time November rolls around, Mitt Romney will be absolutely loathed by 60% of the American people, because the guy is a sleaze. Not in his personal life, in his public life. Right out there in front of everybody. An arrogant, robotic rich guy who can’t handle criticism and knows nothing but negative campaigning.

  • acat

    who cannot see the connection between statism, nanny-statism, and the Left.

    Either someone recognizes that small government is good government, regardless of whoever is in charge, or someone is not, to my mind, fully conceiving of conservatism.

    This is where Santorum fails the sniff test.

    Mew

  • warrior300

    Read any leftist blog, and they are ecstatic over the internecine war going on in the G.O.P. Whether it’s Perry losers, who may be living with the delusion that if Gingrich loses Florida, maybe Perry will have a come-back, or the usual Country Club Republicans and RINOS who are scared to death of Newt, because they know what a threat he will be for them and their control of the party.

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Eric for your defense of Newt. I read the Drudge Report, and what b.s. when so-called conservatives quote from the likes of Mark Sheilds. I have lost all respect for Drudge. Eric is right. There is no way in hell that Romney will defeat Obama. He is another one of the RINO’s sacrificial lambs, because the corporations already have everything they want under Obama.

    Where is the Tea Party? Are they already extinct? Who hears anything from them anymore? Who can give us an update of U.S. Senate and House races where the Tea Party is taking on R.I.N.O. incumbents? Why have we heard nothing of the Tea Party publicly taking the battle to the Republican House leadership over House members not being allowed to vote directly on so many bills as I believe it was Eric who addressed this problem in one of today’s posts.

    How quickly new members can be silenced and made to play the game. What happen to the so-called conservatives elected in 2010 like Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, and Mark Rubio–all of whom already have become part of the establishment. What does Rubio owe the Bushes that has made him a sell-out? If the Tea Party was alive and well in these three states, there is no way in hell any of these candidates would have endorsed Romney. They would at a minimum keep their mouths shut, and stay non-committed.

    Gingrich will take the battle to Obama. He ran well among women in South Carolina of all places, where the Evangelical vote is strong. People keep talking about Gingrich’s baggage. Much of which has been misrepresented. No one other than Newt will more fully exploit Obama’s baggage, which is limitless: total mishandling of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, and how his Interior Secretary has been in the pocket of Big Oil from the beginning; Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Democratic patronage of the Stimulous money, Obamacare, the abuse of Czars and efforts to shut down dissent in this country, the large number of communists and socialists placed in public positions, the support for an Arab Spring that has strengthened the radical Muslims across the Middle East. General Electric and Al Gore standing to make billions off the “man-made global climate scare” with Cap and Trade and Green Technology that can’t produce without continuous government subsidies; Goldman-Sachs, Jimmy Diamond, etc, who all own Obama. I’ve barely skimmed the surface of what this administration has done to destroy this country.

    Newt is first and foremost a conservative. He is not a libertarian. He will if elected bring transformational change to the government, if he has a Republican Congress to support him. It will mean the days of crony capitalism and casino capitalism will come to an end. If Newt fails in this endeavor, then the American people will bring it about through violent revolution and probably civil war, which ultimately will end in some kind of totalitarian system.

    Newt will not be a congenial Ronald Reagan. He will be more of a Margaret Thatcher type of personality and leader. I also appreciate that Newt didn’t always see eye to eye with Reagan. Reagan made his mistakes. Even if Newt thought Reagan’s attempt at approachment with the Soviet Union was wrong, Reagan did walk out of the meeting. Many conservatives forget that at the time, it was conservatives (and I was among them), who thought Reagan’s diplomatic attempts with Gorbachev were examples of Reagan going soft on communism.

    All politicians lie. If their lips are moving they are lying. They nuance their positions for different audiences, and they often change positions when the political winds of public opinion are blowing in new directions. One can only hope that Newt will remain more faithful to what he says than someone like Obama, who lies every time he opens his mouth.

    Get behind Newt and revitalize the Tea Party to get a conservative Congress in control. If the presidential race is reduced to Romney and Obama, it won’t matter who wins. The American consciousness will just simply come to realize that the Republic is “Gone with the WInd”.

  • JSobieski

    Grownups in the present situation are capable of understanding why a brokered convention scenario makes sense.

    I support Newt and will vote for Newt—however Newt has a lot of problems and can’t seem to stop adding to them. Whatever his strengths (and Newt unlike Romney has real strengths), Newt combines a lot of the negatives of people like Nixon and Clinton. A Romney blow up hurts us for 2012, a Newt blow-up would be a much bigger problem.

    Why the change? The primary season has evolved into an increasingly likely trainwreck, that is why. Instead of a campaign in which the candidates are out bidding each other on budget cuts and ways to reform medicare, we are engaging in a race to the bottom. The weaknesses of both Romney and Newt become more striking each and every day.

    One thing that Newt has going for him is that there is simply so much out there that it is overwhelming and people just throw up their hands and shake their heads.

  • aj_0000

    Thought Reagan was going soft on foreign policy in his second term, meeting with Gorbachev and so forth. That was the context of Newt’s criticism.

  • aj_0000

    You’re not fooling anybody by throwing Santorum’s name in there. You’re a Romney supporter. Perhaps paid.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    instead if handing the lame establishment any sort of victory.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • acat

    who stay home and cost us coattails.

    Or .. are you arguing that the parallels between McCain and Romney are less similar than between McCain and Gingrich?

    Mew

  • bobguzzardi

    to support him?

    Tom Delay?

    Newt is making politics fun and entertaining and, of course, he can argue every side of an issue because he has had so much practice.

  • jyalai

    I want someone who has the thickest skin in the world, who has the ability to kick 100,000 federal employees out on the street without batting an eye, who can rip the food stamps out of the hands of those who have no other livelihood than scamming the system. A healer? That’s the last thing I want. I want a destroyer who can rip the cold black heart of power out of the federal government and return the government back to the people.

    We need someone who is willing to contract with Bain Capital to come in and cut our government down until it is profitable once again. If Romney would just tell me he would do to the federal government what he did at Bain Capital for bloated inefficient companies, I’d vote for him in a second.

  • WillWong

    What are you talking about?

    Rush slammed the Romney-backed smear campaign against Newt.

    ?That kind of stuff is why people hate Romney so much,” Limbaugh said.

    Limbaugh added that Newt has always been a conservative from his early days in national talk radio in the 1980s.

    ?He was perhaps the premier defender of Ronald Reagan,? Limbaugh said.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Limbaugh-Reagan-Gingrich-Romney/2012/01/26/id/425666

  • warrior300

    These are comments taken off today’s Drudge Report:

    All big thinkers and shakers are grandiose in their ideas, and many don’t mind telling you about their grandiose ideas. Ronald Reagan had a grandiose idea of calling the Soviet Union an ?Evil Empire.? Now the Establishment Republicans and the Democrats didn’t like this idea, but Reagan didn’t want to live with this threat, instead, he wanted to ELIMINATE IT! And so he set out to convince as many people as possible of this grandiose idea, and was able to get elected and build up our military ? even through the Democrats’ nasty campaign against this idea with their name calling and frightening people into thinking Reagan was a ?war monger.? But Reagan prevailed because he could communicate to the Public his ideas well enough that they accepted them.

    Newt Gingrich had grandiose ideas back before the 1994 elections. He wanted to win the House of Representatives back from the Democrats, who had held it since 1952, forty years. He convinced a great deal of Republicans and voters that his ideas were better than the Democrat’s ideas. And what happened? A spectacular, historic victory! His strategy with the content of his 1994 Contract with America propelled the Republicans to a 54-seat gain in 1994 to win control of the House of Representatives. the Republicans only capturing it two out of the previous 62 years. Even the Reagan Revolution failed to achieve that!

    Then Newt led the House Republicans in 1996 to their first re-election as a majority since 1928, an astounding almost 70 years!
    And once in power, Newt Gingrich actually delivered on his promises, and maintained a solid conservative record. working closely with Conservative Activist Groups on every one of these issues. He carried out the Contract with America in full, holding a vote on every item as promised, with most of the items passing. Newt maintained a RECORD of unswerving loyalty to pro-life, pro-gun and Second Amendment, and anti-tax issues.

    Under Newt’s leadership, the total federal spending relative to GDP declined from 1995 to 2000 by a whopping 12.5%. This equals about one-eighth of the size of the economy in just five short years!
    As a result, those nasty $200 billion annual federal deficits that had prevailed for over 15 years were instead transformed into record-breaking surpluses by 1998. They peaked at $236 billion in 2000.
    Mr. Gingrich also led enactment of a capital gains tax rate cut of almost 30% in 1997. It went from 28% down to 20%, the largest capital gains cut in U.S. history! And BECAUSE of that cut, capital gains revenues went up a whopping $84 billion higher for 1997 to 2000 than projected before Newt’s rate cut.

    RINO Romney ran to the Left of Ted Kennedy, governed like Ted Kennedy, voted like Ted Kennedy and then ran for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination as a Conservative WITHOUT a record of conservatism! Go Newt!
    Comment: #26
    Posted by: 777denny
    Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:02 AM

    It’s evident Drudge cherry-picked passages of Mark Shield’s past columns out of context designed to mislead readers. How about the following Romney’s dishonesty:

    Romney accuses Newt of resigning as Speaker “in disgrace.” Charles Krauthammer belied it on the O’Reilly Factor when he told Bill who asked Romney’s accusation fact-checked that Newt stepped down after the GOP lost 5 House seats in the 1998 midterm elections which Newt accepted as repudiation of his leadership. He didn’t only step down as Speaker but also gave up his congressional seat he just got reelected.

    Romney wittingly or unwittingly mixes up Newt’s fine of $300,000 for ethics violation in 1997 as the cause of his above resignation a year later. The ethics violation was a separate case and explicably politically motivated.

    Another Romney “below the belt” attack is Gingrich’s $1.6 million consulting fee from Freddie Mac as though Newt was part of policy-making that led to this government sponsored enterprise’s (GSE) meltdown. I twice heard during the debates Romney was told by Newt the $1.6M was gross income and he got only $35,000 a year from it after paying staff salaries and office expenses. Besides, Newt was a private citizen when he worked for Freddie and what’s wrong for him to earn some money?

    On the other hand, it looks that Romney at first tried to avoid releasing his tax returns, a tactical mistake in South Carolina, probably thinking the returns would be for 12 years like his father did and include his years with Bain Capital.

    He decided to release 2-year returns to diffuse the issue when Obama raises in case Romney’s the GOP nominee and his years with Bain would show he made money both ways, i.e., from companies that were turned around to profitability and those Bain couldn’t save from bankruptcy.
    Comment: #29
    Posted by: Frank Wenceslao
    Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:55 AM

    The rich Republican oligarchy fails to understand that we, the rank and file, hold them partially responsible for the destruction of our economy, and the growth and metastases of the federal government. Romney will be just more of the same-we know that.
    Newt is an iconoclast and a pioneer who was the best Speaker of the House in the last century. He broke down the welfare system, gave us balanced budgets, and made life a lot better for Americans. We want to give him a chance to fix government and scale it down. I doubt that Romney is interested in smaller government, and there is a snow ball chance in hell that Southeners of any party (who are absolutely crucial for victory) would ever vote for a Yankee from Taxacusetts. Romney would NEVER lead to a Republican victory, becasue he would NEVER get the Southern votes.
    Comment: #33
    Posted by: naro10
    Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:39 AM

  • jaykali

    As if he’s some juggernaut. Certainly hes got a lot of money and hes the sitting president but lots not kid ourselves, he’s got issues of his own. We’ve got a bad economy and he cant even tout his big legislative wins, thats pretty bad.

    I think its too early to say how anyone will do against Obama. I am learning that people are kind of fickle and decide last minute. And so I think the swing vote will break last minute too. Obviously there are plenty of independent-types that jumped off the Obama hope train 2 or 3 years ago but others are more in the camp of listening to the other side. I think we won’t know how this thing is going to break until pretty late.

    So even tho we see negatives and all that going up for candidates as they beat up each other most of that will be forgotten. There will be new battles when its the republican against obama so we’ll see how things go then but I don’t think Obama’s going to win a landslide. At minimum he won’t get any state that went McCain last time, he will only lose states so as down as I am right now I think conservatives will rally around the republican candidate in the end.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We know better now.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Men have work to do. We don’t have time for flakes.

  • RichmondG30

    “He was very unpopular and I am not only certain that this did not help me, but that it also cost House seats that year.”

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Bob Dole never had the appetite to take the fight to Clinton. He looked like a guy (like McCain) who was just thrilled to have been given the chance to be the nominee. If he really wanted to win the general election, he never showed any sign of it. (Again, just exactly like McCain.)

    Romney will not take the fight to Obama. He’s a younger, better looking Dole-McCain.

  • pdawk

    Why don’t you read the entire article. If you think that anything other than a kneecapping of Gingrich you aren’t seeing reality.

  • acat

    It would at least have pitted one dirty tricks squad against another, instead of watching the old guy get crushed by the young weasel.

    That doesn’t mean Romney is best in show for 2012. It means he missed his best chance by not crushing the old guy early enough.

    Mew

  • pdawk

    Nothing further your honor.

  • In The Hook

    Reagan was called crazy by the establishment because he was “too extreme” in his views. He told the truth about the Soviet Union and that was “too scary” as well.

    I think I’ve been through this elsewhere Neil. If this was the establishment rising up to swat Perry or Jindal or Ryan or Pence or somebody like that, we’d be on the same team. It’s not. This is not a matter of the establishment telling us to swallow the moderate guy because the conservative guy can’t win. This is not a replay of Reagan v. Ford or Bush or Crist v. Rubio. You’re a very sharp guy and you know that to be true.

  • lalupa

    If Romney gets behind in the polls come the general – and he will – it will kill the GOP down ballot.

  • acat

    And yes, conservatives will undoubtedly support the GOP nominee.

    I question whether moderates will stand behind an uninspiring glass-jawed wimp as they failed to do in 2008, 1996, etc.

    Mew

  • andystone

    is that one guy has been endorsed by Perry and Thompson, and the other by GHWB, Dole and McCain.

  • lalupa

    N/T

  • WillWong

    Newt is the nominee just like some Rinos who lost in the primaries promptly went on to endorse the opposition!

  • stumpy

    Mitt says his Bain work is great because he was sucessful and Newt shouldn’t attack it. Yet Mitt attacks Newt’s work for FMFM. By Mitt’s own logic, we should applaud Newt for being a sucessful businessman and landing a $1.6 M consulting contract. If we accept that anything capitalist is good, then Newt’s work is good by Mitt’s own standard.

    I believe that capitalism is good. Some elements of it are not. Some are necessary for the system to work, but may be distasteful to the general public. I just don’t like the doulbe standard Mitt is using. Pointing out past work, however capitalistic and necessary it may be, that will hurt a candidate in the general is a valid attack. It is an electability issue, not an attack of capitalism.

    Would we nominate a porno director, Larry Flint, pumps, drug dealers, Pay Day loan shark? All of these engage in capitalism (some illegally), but that doesn’t make it “good” or prevent it from being a general election liability.

  • redsox9687

    In 2008 virtually everyone in the country was sick and tired of Bush and the Republicans, McCain was a total zero of a candidate, every independent voter in the country thought Obama the second coming of Christ, and he still only managed to beat McCain by single digits. This election will be razor-thin no matter who is nominated. Having two pretty awful weeks now means that everyone is running around with their hair on fire resigned to that fact that “Obama is going to completely destroy us” in 10 months?

    Just take a deep breath and get a hold of yourselves.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Have fun beating up your straw man, but it doesn’t defend your shameful attack.

    It doesn’t work though. The emperor has no clothes. We can see you for what you are now, you people who make your claims of mental illness against anyone who’s too far right.

  • trickamsterdam

    Most of the people against a brokered convention don’t even know what one is. I’m serious.I can tell by the way they talk about it on this site. Give them a ten question quiz on it and they’d get five of the answers wrong.
    ,
    But they’re conservatives obviously, and so the dogs want to follow “the rules”. It’s in their natures.

    The idea that a Daniels or a P. Ryan or a Thune would somehow be less supportable or less electable than these two is simply sheer lunacy. So if he’s not as electable…can you make the argument that Romney is more conservative, more competent?

    Don’t get me started. I’ll say this. The party that nominates Mitt Romney deserves MItt Romney.You people think he’s so electable?Or you’re too in love w/ the “process” to consider a brokered convention? Don’t expect me to do more than pull the lever for him. (Romney).

    Newt can’t win. He could theoretically stop Romney, but he can’t get to 50% of the delegates himself, in my opinion. But he could force a brokered convention. And now you’re just gonna let Romney buy this thing?

    I never volunteer, but I do give quite a bit of money. But not to him. (Romney). Not this way. Not when the Brokered Convention idea was peed away this casually. Elect the Robot w/out me.

    If I have to live w/ the incompetence that the R party’s voters are showing in their rejection of a brokered convention, then I can live w/ Pres Obama’s incompetence.

    I’ll pull the lever for Romney, but that’s it. But not one nickel…nor will I talk him up to anyone, other than to say that I think he’s utterly worthless. That he’s a creature of the Establishment, and that not one important thing will change under him (including SC Justices).

    You Romney/anti-brokered convention people are on your own. I’m serious.

  • bonnman

    I don’t think it is a given that conservatives will support the GOP nominee however. I think its a big difference. Social conservatives might vote for Newt but will they go knocking on doors and talking him up to their neighbors? Will a hard working guy barely making ends meet want to send a check to money bags Romney? Support id going to be tough to come by in the general.

  • stumpy

    dern auto-correction.

  • Common_Cents

    its the establishment vs. tea party battle now.

    Time to throw down!

    http://www.newt.org/news/300-tea-party-organizations-36-states-vow-campaign-gingrich

    Orlando, FL ? In another sign of Newt Gingrich?s surging momentum, 200 additional Tea Party Organizers have joined the coalition Tea Partiers With Newt. This Coalition now represents 300 Tea Party organizers from 36 states who have joined together to help elect a bold Reagan conservative in Speaker Newt Gingrich and defeat Massachusetts Moderate Mitt Romney and then President Barack Obama.

    ?The GOP establishment and liberal and conservative mainstream media assault on the Speaker clearly shows that the people who have torn our great nation down are afraid of change and bold vision. Another moderate GOP nominee in Mitt Romney will result in the reelection of President Obama.? said Patricia Sullivan, Founder of Patriot Army and Co-Founder of North Lake Tea Party from Eustis, FL.

    ?The Tea Party is not going to sit by and let the establishment determine who our nominee is. Our time for remaining quiet and balancing our ideals with staying out of elections is absolutely over. We will either elect Newt Gingrich or we will have the second incarnation of John McCain ? and we all know how that turned out,? said Karin Hoffman, who leads DC Works For Us in Broward County, FL

  • paladin1

    condescendingly refer to. I am 55 years old and have been involved in politics and political discussion for thirty years. Many of us other “grown-ups” have a much different view than yours; if fact, both history and the prevailing attitude of the dangers of a brokered convention are soundly on our side.

    If the primaries are a likely train wreck, a brokered convention would be the fatality crash of 2012.

  • lepelerin

    There are plenty of candidates that COULD have run but decided against it.
    We have presidential hopefuls who were willing to go through this process. My hat off to them. They all think of themselves as saviours, not just Newt. He doesn’t hide his grandiosity but don’t doubt that the others believe the country can’t do without them either. Newt is politically astute so he can get some good things done, unlike Obama.

    Looks like we’re down to two candidates. I’ll pick the least flawed=Newt if I have a chance here in OH. Please Florida, don’t make this end on Sunday by voting for Mitt.

  • WillWong

    Tea partyers overwhelmingly back Newt Gingrich to be the Republican presidential nominee, a huge poll of 29,000 people shows.

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Massive Grassfire Poll: Half of Tea Partyers Support Gingrich
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

  • clintonformccain

    That’ll show ‘em…

  • bonnman

    then yes 2008 was a fairly close election. But its not done that way and Obama crushed McCain in electoral votes. But this brings up an interesting point, national polls and votes don’t actually matter much but a state by state breakdown does. Both Romney and Newt would win the traditional “red” states in the general but who would do better in the swing states?

  • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

    She – surrounded by the moneymen of the Republican party – said, “We have our candidate”, and that was that.

    Don’t think they aren’t behind the scenes, pulling for Romney even now.

    And a hearty “FU” to them for not backing Perry.

    Believe me, when the RNC calls, I tell them what they can do with their request for money – we’ve been donating to individual candidates for a long time now…..

  • neilmacarthur

    Romney likes to blame the blue legislature in MA, but this is the real problem. What if worse came to worst and we do not take over the senate, and in a nightmare scenario that we somehow lose the house over the next four years. I know these are highly unlikely, but what if? Then we will have Obama 2.0 in a Romney presidency. We all know this. And why? Just because we are being told he has a better chance to win against Obama? No way, that is the wrong path. We need someone who will fight for us and Romney is not the guy.

  • acat

    is still losing.

    Mew

  • In The Hook

    I’m not saying anyone is mentally ill if they vote Gingrich. I’m saying they are not being logical, especially given so much of the “if Romney is supported by the establishment, I’m voting Newt just to stick it to them” talk. Sometimes the base and the establishment are not at cross purposes. I’m not saying it happens often but I’m saying it does happen and it’s happening here.

    Given the level of vitriol involved in this debate I didn’t realize “crazy” stepped over the line. I wholeheartedly apologize if it offended you.

    And it’s not a straw man. Folks are building up Newt as someone he is not so I think it’s plenty fair to note that the typical fight back by establishment figures to quash conservatives in favor of moderates is not happening here.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Typical of the Clintonite attacks on the right.

  • neilmacarthur

    is a vote to effectively give him the nomination. There probably won’t even be any more debates. Even if Newt ekes out a win there, Romney still got the political machine and the whole media attacking Newt. But at least the race will still be on. I hope Floridians will stand up, just like the good people of South Carolina and proclaim that we are not satisfied with Romney are not willing to settle for him just because the establishment and the media are telling us we should.

  • aj_0000

    If you are a genuine conservative, not a phony one, you are a conservative first, and a Republican second, if at all. The Republican Party does not deserve the support of conservatives if it nominates Mitt Romney. Not after 2010.

  • redsox9687

    all i’m saying is that regardless of all the idiotic bluster from both campaigns right now about “how if we nominate the other guy we’ll wind up getting destroyed by double digits so you better vote for me instead” is complete bullcrap. No matter who the nominee is, neither them nor Obama will beat the other one by more than 5 points in the general, and who wins will most like be determined almost entirely on how the economy does in the next 9 months. What Newt and Mitt say about each other in a primary 9 months before the general election will mean absolutely nothing.

  • JSobieski

    My comment about voters being adults was directly related to your quote above.

    It was not a slight against you or anyone else.

    I think that the primary voters who are not actually pro a candidate but are merely anti another candidate (the majority of the primary voters) realize where we are and can be adults about “undoing” or “ignoring” the primaries that have occurred and hit the reset button with a brokered convention.

  • sulmak

    in recent years. Anecdotal however. Neither Romney, nor Santorum have fiscally conservative records, Newt for the most part does. Blame it on the Massachusetts legislature if want, or credit another republican leader for the balanced budgets in the nineties, but a record is a record.

  • aj_0000

    “Conservative Republican” is going to be an oxymoron if Romney is the nominee.

  • Whacker77

    Oh please. This is such a dumb statement. Usung the convention to validate or invalidate the primary and cuacus process is playing by the rules. Just because we haven’t needed to use it in a long, long time doesn’t mean it can’t be used to stave off disaster.

    Primary voters have continually shown in polling they want more choices. Just because tin can Mitt and nutty Newt are the only two we had a chance to vote on in January doesn’t mean we should have to still like them in August, especially if they’re far behind.

    We got dealt a terrible hand this time around because only the clownish candidates chose to run. We were never offered serious choices for president unless you think Herb, Bachmann, Paul, and the others were the best and brightest in the party.

    The convention may be a relic of the past, but it’s still be ing used and it can save us from two sure losers. I find it hard to believe Republicans in the early states will take their ball and go home if the convention chooses someone who wasn’t on the early ballots. If that person were someone who instantly showed the ability to beat Obama, Republicans would be over the moon.

  • neilmacarthur

    they want to make this election about the “Occupy” crap, the whole 99 vs 1. The democratic party and the mainstream media want Romney because they think that if the make the whole election about that, he’ll win. It’s not even about whether that is true or not – we need someone else or all the important issues that we care about will get left behind in this election.

  • sulmak

    behavior I have seen. Along with “I want to be president” it almost completely characterizes his behavior.

  • aj_0000

    You are not a conservative, and nobody who is one buys a word that comes out of your mouth, so you might as well give up.

  • skyefalcon6

    …isn’t that like Hines endorsing Hunts to run against Red Gold?

    Newt just might be the Mustard we need.

    And with that, I’m off to Five Guys. Dang food metaphors!

  • aj_0000

    We know who the “squishes” are in this scenario. So go squish your way back to lick the boots of the Republican establishment. I’m an American citizen, a voter, and a conservative. If the Republican Party stands for my beliefs, I will vote for Republicans. If they put up liberals like Romney, I won’t. And there a many people like me.

    So give some thought to your prescription that anybody who doesn’t like it should leave. Because they will, and you’ll be left holding the bag in November. I’ll enjoy watching you implode.

  • romeg

    N/T

  • DVPTEXFLA

    It seems the Republican establishment is trying to force the the base to get in line.

    Maybe it is time for the base to give the establishment the middle finger.

    I am not a fan of Ron Paul, but a big victory for Ron Paul in Florida….might just send a message.

    Make this a Florida only plan but tell the establishment to STFU.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The people who make excuses when the fight for liberty is on, that’s who the squishes are.

  • aj_0000

    Electing Mitt Romney is fighting for liberty? Who are you kidding? I suppose you’re one of those people deluded enough to think an (R) next to someone’s name means something different from a (D). It only makes a difference if that person is a conservative. Romney is not one. Period.

  • lalupa

    “There is no way in hell that Romney will defeat Obama. He is another one of the RINO?s sacrificial lambs, because the corporations already have everything they want under Obama. ”

    That is exactly what is going on.

  • lalupa

    “There is no way in hell that Romney will defeat Obama. He is another one of the RINO?s sacrificial lambs, because the corporations already have everything they want under Obama. ”

    That is exactly what is going on.

  • paladin1

    thin skinned reply. I have not known you to be less than logical and should have considered that.

    I understand your points regarding a brokered convention and see the appeal to some in that. I do believe that far more voters in the primaries, at least up to Florida, have cast their votes for a candidate they support; past that-maybe, but a candidate obtained in a convention setting is always a compromise, will be open to surprises not foreseen by the vetting process, and poses too much risk of giving us a Romney-like candidate because in the end, the people behind the scenes at the convention and those who select the delegates, are the same ones who selected Romney to begin with and will not be open to a candidate unlike him. Every one of the potential brokered candidates I have seen named here have know issues which will be baggage for them and the general election campaign season is too short to deal with them adequately. Any one of the candidates we have now will have had the issues exposed, debated, and dealt with to some degree. That cannot be done with a new candidate in the short general season.

    Brokered conventions became virtually unnecessary when state primary elections became the vogue, supplanting the smoke-filled room scenario conjured up by brokering. Primary elections were and are seen as more democratic and serve to give the people the choice. A return to a brokered convention in the current scenario gives us nothing good and leaves the taint of suspicion on the resulting nominee.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you like I can just turn your account off now. If you’re so proud of your plans to tuck tail, then just leave now.

    If you don’t believe what we believe, then go start your own site for people who want to sit out from their civic duties and watch the idiot box while others do the heavy lifting.

  • votemout2012

    I hope we have a brokered convention. These candidates are awful. Very few ppl are excited about these guys. This election is too important to have a liberal or a candidate who is ready to implode at any moment. There will be obstacles to get a new campaign running. I have a feeling a lot is going on behind the scenes right now to overcome those problems. There is too much riding on this election. We must defeat Obama w/ a worth while candidate and Newt and Romney just don’t cut it.

  • avgjo

    In other words, it is getting past time to stop telling the truth.

    Cool.

  • ctredstater

    a repeat of 2008. He will, by necessity, choose a relatively exciting conservative. it will be great for the base up until Romney’s acceptance speech. Then it will be “Country First Redux”.

    the margin will be 2-3 instead of twice that. and the Beltway Republicans will blame it on the VP nominee for being too controversial.

    nightmare scenario.

    that’s why I, too, root for at least an argument on some principles. Go Newt.

  • JSobieski

    Romney isn’t worth much more than simply the absence of Obama
    Newt is risky as heck

    So while I acknowledge that a brokered convention is risky, I come out in favor of the concept.

    It is a close call, and I can see why those of sound mind would disagree.

  • ctredstater

    his advisors will measure their day to day success by the editorial pages of the NY Times, Boston Globe and Washington Post.

    The comment by Coleman sent shivers through my spine. a preview of a Romney administration.

  • hls87

    There isn’t much market for conservative Romney boosting and the market won’t grow much when he wins the nomination. It’s getting ever harder to be both conservative and Republican, for websites as well as for individuals

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you have such a problem, then start your own site.

  • ww2nd95

    to Obama. I was a Huntsman supporter, who I really wish was still running, be that as it may I’ll still pull the lever for whoever the nominee is, but I just do not understand how we can lose.

    Obama has a lot of money, is a sitting President, and much easier access to the media. Even still, he’s sitting on a horrible record, is not polling well for someone who is wanting to win reelection, and we’re still at 8.5% unemployment, with real unemployment off in the stratosphere.

    It baffles me that we actually have a shot at losing this election against a weak President.

  • azaeroprof

    My grandpa was a Republican county councilman in Indiana for 24 years. My dad asked my mom out for their first date at a Nixon rally in 1960. My parents were Republican officials. I am a lifelong Republican and currently a GOP official. My daughter is named Reagan. I agree wholeheartedly with the RedState site policy of “conservative in the primary, Republican in the general.” I abhor the thought of a third party and completely agree that it would serve only to ensure power for Obama and the Democrats.

    But I have to say after reading the news reports in the last several days, I am really really really REALLY not sure I want to be in the same party with Bob Dole, the maroons at National Review, Ann Coulter, Tom Delay, and the rest of these bozos.

    Erick, don’t you have any news that can make me feel positive about my party and the 2012 elections again? Pleeeeeaaaase! :(

  • ctredstater

    that this whole Warren Buffet nonsense has been to “tee up” the fact that they knew most/all of Romney’s income was investment?

    they have had him in their crosshairs for months.

    what is unconscionable is a bunch of Cocktail Circuit Beltway Republicans myopically testifying to the electability of a guy who is something like 6-19 in his electoral career.

  • snowshooze

    Unreal.

  • neilmacarthur

    And what does Romney do? He plays right into it and started talking about how he’ll work for the 99%. What, he’s going to try to out-Occypy Obama? A liberal pac has already made an ad about it! Disastrous.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    that free market SOB don’t take no prisoners.

  • tercel

    His timing of his back surgery and jumping into this race was a mistake. You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression but I think the pie was baked before he even got into the race. I don’t think you get to be POTUS without having spent years and years of scratching the backs of those in power from the lowliest caucus chairman, to the the money men, to the Washington power brokers before you enter this race. I think Perry (and I) was naive to think the the best qualifications and experience would get you elected. The political establishment was never going to let that happen so they did to Perry what they did to Palin. Now they are trying to do it to Gingrich but he may just be nasty enough to take them down with him.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Newt is an inconsistent, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, sleazy piece of crap. I stand by that statement.

    Now, if he is the candidate, then I hope he beats Obama, he would, for all of his many and deep faults, be better than Obama.

    But if he somehow, against all odds, becomes president, then mark my words, We will all be ambivalent, or actually hate him, by the time he has two years in.

  • johnt

    He must be perfect, after all, you just can’t run anybody against scum. Again, who walked the walk after the ’94 elections?

  • TexasTami

    And that’s limited government. All the “ills” we speak of as conservatives can be whittled down to one concept: less government. With that objective in mind, I know who I will support to his dying day and that’s Newt. With Romney, I know where he stands on government: the more the merrier. With Newt, I know where he stands: the less the better. And that’s a Constitutional position.

  • tercel

    I firmly believe that if Romney is the Republican candidate we lose. I think Obama’s team has been planning on him being “the one” because Republicans always nominate “the next in line” and therefore Obama’s whole push for the 1% vs 99%. Notice that OWS got really fired up soon after Axelrod went back to Chicago to start Obama’s re-election.

    Gingrich is flawed but he has the skill and the experience to take it to Obama that Romney can never muster. Romney can’t even defend himself about Bain and his taxes. How in the word do you think he is going to get down in the mud with Obama.

  • macbookben

    if SC was any indication of future primary voting behavior, the negative advertisements directed at Mr. Gingrich will result in a very favorable voter turnout for him. If Newt can keep cool under fire and get a few zingers in during the debate tonight, he will take Florida.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    so we are at an impasse.

  • hls87

    And that’s the point. If one is interested in the effort to sell Romney to conservatives, there’s no reason to visit RS. NRO covers that base far more elegantly. Brainless, partisan cheerleading is boring and pointless. Websites that are boring and pointless shrivel and die. If you want the tumbleweed to be rolling down the empty streets of RS, keep doing what you’re doing.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    chief among those is none other than Newt Gingrich.

    He is a politician of the highest order, – and that is NOT a compliment.

  • PublicSchoolHistoryTeacher

    Well, well, well……I, too, was with Perry to the bitter end, and will be with Newt in the same way. And as much as I shudder to think of what the last four years will be like under Obama (notice I said last and not next?) that’s exactly what the GOP Establishment has coming to them. No, Erick, right now, in typical bad sport mode, I’m ready to teach the Moderate Milquetoast Mormon and his Well-Heeled and Well-Connected Minions a Lesson….and will pray fervently that there are enough FURIOUS Tea Partiers, HRC-PUMAS, disenfranchised Conservatives who will join me in jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon with a Newt demise. Sound crazy? Fine, crazy at 59 years old is what I’ll be. The fact that the presidency of this country can be bought and paid for by the highest bidder will make me cast a vote for the most moderate guy in the running. Don’t believe that we won’t cave and vote for Romney in the end? Hide and watch us REBEL en masse. RON PAUL R-E-V-O-L-T-I-O-N will be ALIVE AND WELL. Never was part of the hippie counter-culture in the 60′s and 70′s…guess it’s high time I made the crossover. At least I won’t be selling my soul to the devil.

  • avagreen

    they will be saying that about each other?

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  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We have no use for fair weather friends.

  • avagreen

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  • avagreen

    I’d rather have him than Romney (don’t get me started) and he can skin Obama right and left of his cheeky flanks.

    He may still lose as there is still voter fraud and voter intimidation which O will use out the kazoo, but we’ll have someone who, at least, made a fight and who with God’s help, win. Actually, win!

    Whatever kind of prez he’ll make, he’ll be better than the sick marxist we have in the WH.

  • acat

    I’ve mentioned that I majored in history, right?

    It doesn’t ever directly repeat, but there are some very definite patterns.

    Mew

    p.s. ?Shocked?

    If this works, it looks like you either left off the open-bracket or added an extra / on the close-bracket. The / is only needed to close out a link, not an image.

  • acat

    and remained split for a decade, while the Liberals ran completely unchecked.

    I’ll pass.

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    TRUE CONSERVATIVE Stockwell Day had to step aside.

  • Stinger808

    …one of the last people I’d consult would be Bob “Bob Dole” Dole.

  • Archer

    I was working for the Ed Bethune for Senate campaign in 1984 when Jack Kemp came for a fundraiser.

    Some background: I was a real fanboy of Bethune, Kemp, and Gingrich at the time because they were the core group pushing for across the board tax cuts in the 1978 congressional elections, In the 78-80 congressional session they put tax policy into the limelight in defiance of the moderate/liberal Republican leadership. When Reagan ran for president again in 1980, they put Reagan into the same room as supply side economists and turned Reagan on to the program.

    Anyway, I was more enthusiatic than thoughtful in those days (1984 era) so didn’t know what you should and shouldn’t say in front of a famous or powerful polifician.

    At the end of the fundraiser, Bethune, Kemp, and I ended up standing next to each other as the last of the people were leaving the room as the event was over. Neither one of them knew who I was since I was a low-level nobody party worker who was asked to come fill in the back of the room when the event hadn’t sold out. The people who were able to pay to attend were each given a copy of two of Kemp’s books. A copy of each had been abandoned as unwanted by one of the paid attendees so I snapped them up and waited until the lines had cleared and approached Kemp to autograph them.

    After getting his autograph on both, my mouth flew open, without asking my brain, and I heard myself asking asked Kemp, “Don’t get me wrong, you’re probably my favorite politician outside of President Reagan but you aren’t as high a profile figure as (Senate minority leader) Bob Dole. Why can’t we get him out here to do a fundraiser?”

    Understand I was standing there with the books which indicated I had the money to attend a fundraiser when in reality I need to get three steps up the financial ladder in order to reach “flat broke”. But they both had the impression that I must have been somebody and there wasn’t anyone else around to give a graceful distraction and avoid the question. And I had no idea that I had really stuck my foot in it.

    Kemp looked uncomfortable, opened his mouth, then closed it again. Bethune looked even more uncomfortable and reluctantly, gently explained that Dole wanted a private jet to shuttle him back and forth plus deluxe accommodations, Kemp would pay his own way come to campaign for a cash-strapped fellow conservative. The campaign could, in theory, could get Dole to come but only if it were willing to take a financial loss…and Dole wouldn’t come anyway because he hated conservatives.

    Then either Bethune or Kemp, I don’t remember which, related the joke which Dole enjoyed telling about “What do you call a busload of conservatives going over a cliff? A good start.”

    That made quite an impression on me so I’ve paid special attention to Dole over the years. Nothing I’ve seen has contradicted their observation that Dole detests conservatives.

    Dole didn’t respect Reagan and was infrequently forced into supporting Reagan policies. Dole would rather have had Democrats elected to the Senate than risk conservative Republicans moving up from the House. Dole claimed to be a conservative when running for president, just as every Republican does, because that is the only way to win the Republican nomination. (Reminds me a lot of Romney this year.)

    Republicans didn’t believe Dole so he picked Kemp as his running mate in order to try to get some credibility on the “I’m a conservative…no, really!” issue.

    Hey, it worked for Dole so I expect Romney any day now to announce that he’s going to ask Kemp to be his VP.

    I’d hate to be the one to have to break the news to him. Romney probably doesn’t know since he’s never bothered to associate himself with any conservative Republicans.

  • RichmondG30

    and I am coming to the conclusion that:

    If Newt becomes President, we stand a probably 1 in 5 chance of actual progress on debt, spending, and Obamacare.

    If Mitt becomes President, we stand a 1 in 100 chance of actual progress on debt, spending, and Obamacare.

    It is worth going to the mat for some hope of righting the ship.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Supporting Ron Paul IS selling your soul to the devil and selling it at a very cheap price.

  • hls87

    stand up, sit down, fight, fight, fight! Seriously, Neil, put down the pom poms and engage your brain for a moment.

    Romney simply won’t do. His victory, which was sealed when Iowa blessed the wrong Rick, is a disaster, whether he beats Obama or not. There are advantages from the conservative perspective to either possible result, but either is gravely damaging for our country. Obama and Romney represent two facets of the same governing elite. Our problems stem from that elite and it’s approach to government. They have been building steadily under Presidents of both parties for many decades. Nothing of substance will vary depending on which of the two candidates we choose to elect.

    Our problem is not with Obama but with an entire class and its ideology. Ousting Obama in favor of someone else from the same class who shares the same ideology will achieve nothing, or at least so little in proportion to the scale of our problems that it might as well be nothing. Romney won’t be quite as annoying as he egregious Obama. He might be willing to spend a bit more on defense and he might make marginally better judicial appointments, none of which will much matter. We’ll keep drifting downstream toward the falls.

    If (when) Romney loses we will at least be able to look forward to nominating someone who might actually make a difference in a mere four years. On balance, I’m not sure which scenario is better for America. I certainly won’ t vote for Obama, but I just don’t care enough to lift a finger on behalf of Mitt Romney.

    The Republican Party doesn’t deserve conservative loyalty. It hasn’t earned it. The GOP has been dominated by progressives since Hoover. Conservatives work within the Republican Party only because that’s the best, probably the only, way to have an impact on American politics. We should work with it when it serves our purposes and not when it doesn’t.

    Blind, unreasoning support for anybody the GOP chooses to nominate no matter how progressive, is bad strategy. Conservatives need to takeover the Republican Party and working to haul Mitt Romney’s worthless political carcass over the finish line won’t serve that end. Before we can defeat the Democrat left we have to defeat the Republican left and we can’t do that if we maintain our alliance with the GOP no matter how useless the Party chooses to make itself.

    The world’s a whole lot more complicated than “elephant good, donkey bad.” Wake up and smell the river.

  • jaykali

    Not sure what you’re getting at. I know all of the passion this time around is on the republican side so I am not giving up. Obama is weaker this time and I think our candidate will be better this time. Plus bush is no longer a punching bag to help democrats. So I feel decent although that feeling changes from week to week.

  • jaykali

    I mean ppl got behind McCain. I understand your point but I don’t think we will lack enthusiasm this time bc this election is all ab Obama. Every time I hear a voters it’s all ab beating Obama. Ppl are very focused and ready to kick this idiot out of office. People will come around in the end even if their candidate isn’t selected. I don’t think normal ppl care ab redstate battles against the establishment.

  • jaykali

    Except for some hipsters and young ppl who found out Obama wasn’t as kick-ass as they thought he would be.

  • Bill S

    Once the GOP candidate is selected, discussion is finished about who to support. You either support the GOP candidate, or you STFU and/or leave. And if you don’t get the message, we’ll help you on that last point.

    And my advice to you and aj-quad-zero-IQ: knock off the promotion of the “stay home if Romney gets picked” concept. Now.

  • Bill S

    Two comments in 3 years, revealed as a Ronulan.

    Blam.

  • aesthete

    that being a troll for Ron Paul is banned? That was all over pro-Ron Paul sites in ’08, and I’m pretty sure they’re still griping about it…

  • dajeeps

    About Dole and the caving. I wasn’t really paying a lot of attention because my son had just been born.

    But it doesn’t really matter; I mean the details don’t really matter to me. I’ve played the game of being herded and corralled by big government, Reaganism is “Voodoo economics,” so-called Republicans most of my life. My very first vote was for Jack Kemp in the 1988 primary. He got rolled – which wasn’t unexpected because of the way conservatives are treated. Now, after all of them getting nearly everything they wanted for 30 years we’re in a world of doo doo and they think they can’t just heard us around some more and pretend like there aren’t any problems.

    Well, we have Obama because of them, because of their failures. And so whatever they want, in this case Romney, well, it’s just too bad. If I didn’t already like Gingrich’s proposed agenda, I would vote for him just to give the establishment the bird and teach them a lesson without having to elect a demoncrat.

  • Bill S

    When Leon posted his “Life’s Not Fair” announcement on Ronulans, it hit just about every major political web site that we were being meanies to the Paul fans.

  • acat

    They bury themselves for years, coming out during mating season, then dying….

    Mew

  • acat

    I don’t like nor trust Romney, but I will be voting for him. If, of course, he manages to win the nomination.

    Mew

  • carolina

    That is likely his only hope after the set-up by the Romney campaign stacking the seating at the debate tonight.

  • aesthete

    “Mating season” in reference to the primaries… with Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, and Santorum…

    I feel uncomfortable, now.

  • jimcyr

    You have it backwards: it’s not the candidates and what they’ve done which makes them the Establishment guy. It’s who the Establishment has chosen to safeguard their perches. And they have CLEARLY chosen Romney. Ergo, he is the “Establishment candidate”.
    (If you insist on sticking with your backward way of viewing it, can’t get much more Establishment than having your DAD be…. a leading candidate for the GOP nomination…..the old House of Lords thing and all…….YOU know).

  • Adjoran

    At least, when his take suits your purposes, eh?

  • ohiohistorian

    Doing something to get us away from all of these inside-the-beltway hacks is important. Even Paul, who rants against earmarks but then says that ALL spending should be earmarked by Congress is an inside-the-beltway one.

    We probably could live with Daniels over Romney, and there are governors like Kasich (who was the real architect of the Clinton budgets).

    Two drafts by the Republicans won. As I remember (Mr. Mew, is this correct?) were Eisenhower and Harding. Harding actually was a big budget cutter and tax cutter. Eisenhower was not, but he still did us a lot of good with the Interstate system and his try to get the civil rights act passed.

  • greenpoint

    Romney is and looks exactly like the Richie Rich that Obama wants to run against. If he wins Florida the battle for the nomination is over.

  • moonmad

    I worry about whether Romney will fight if he does get elected. It does us no good if he gets elected but does not carry through in spite of all the liberal booby traps that have been set. That’s why I want obamacare gone. Things are still buried in the law that will hamstring or slow things up enough still mess up the country. It’s been said before I believe conservatives want to get out of the hole that’s been dug not just dig more slowly than before. That is where Romney and the Establishment ( Current national and state heads and long time strategists) of the Republican party seem to want to take us. Just dig the hole more slowly. On top of that if the conservatives have the temerity to complain they’ll tell us to get back down there to dig and like it.

  • Wubbies World

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  • daune

    It isn’t the time spent IN Washington DC that makes one an insider. That is a fallacy perpetrated by Washington insiders. It’s where your support comes from that makes a candidate part of that group that promotes and defends the status quo. So ask yourself where Mitt Romney gets all his money. I think you’ll find that, if elected, he would be beholden to the same people who have controlled DC for decades. The antipathy toward Gingrich and support for Romney from those people should tell you who is the real insider – and who isn’t.

  • http://theundergroundconservative.wordpress.com pdigaudio

    Dole if you recall gave the GOP response to Clinton’s speech on Hillarycare in which he signaled the usual surrender to whatever the Democrats want. Dole is the prototype limp-wristed, linguini-spined GOP surrender monkey. Part of the Go-Along, Get-Along Gang. If it weren’t for Phil Gramm and Rush Limbaugh spearheading the opposition, we’d have had Hillarycare.

    Bob Dole is the only Republican candidate I did not vote for in a presidential election. Yes, I voted for Clinton in ’96, figuring a GOP Congress would effectively neuter him. And it pretty much did. Icouldn’t bring myself to pull the lever to vote for the man who tried to sell us out on single-payer health care because he didn’t have the courage to oppose it.

    The only thing Bob Dole did I enjoyed was the hilarious Pepsi commercial with his dog.

  • abyrneru

    I am sure that all of you wonderful political insiders have a lot of grudges to bear, but please don’t lose sight of the fact that this is the most important election in the last 100 years. And that is only so because we have a hack in the White House who cares nothing about capitalism, cares nothing about uplifting and encouraging people to strive for a better life and obviously cares nothing about driving our economic future off a cliff. I prefer Mr. Romney over Mr. Gingrich. However, I will ardently support whichever candidate is standing at the end of the day. If you can’t get enthused about defeating the worst president in the history of our nation, then the problem is not with the republican presidential candidate.

  • paco12348

    You sure talk out of both sides of your mouth, Erick. I can’t believe anything you say.

  • iluvit

    Earlier in the campaign season, I never considered it a real possibility. Odds were that one of two things would happen–either Mitt Romney would run away with it early on which I doubted or the conservatives would rapidly consolidate around one person as the non-Romney. I also failed to consider that Paul would in the end garner quite as much support due to non-republicans voting in our primary and republicans being willing to throw away their vote to a candidate with no chance of taking the nomination. So now, we have a totally different playing field from what I anticipated. We have Romney who cannot break 50% in his wildest dreams and 3 others determined to fight on who can also not break 50% in the crowded, split field.

    For those of you who say that there is no possibility of a brokered convention then you need to reconsider. I was a delegate to the “Dole Disaster Convention”. During that time, there were huge platform negotiations and battle lines drawn on key issues and also the selection choice as VP. In brief, the “committed” delegates were prepared to violate the first round committment on the vote if the pro-life plank was removed or Dole picked Christy Todd Whitman as VP. A huge number of the delegates were on the verge of going totally rogue, ready to violate the pledge to support Dole on the first round and go brokered and install a candidate of at least block Dole. I was surprised at how many true conservatives and gone to their precinct meetings and engaged to run as delegates.

    With the above in mind as a practical historical reference and the real likelyhood that Romney and Gingrich may not garner 50% it is no longer a wild fantasy to think a brokered convention could become a reality. The DC insiders see this a a real threat and want this down to 2 people ASAP and are coming out of the woodwork now to try to get this over with quick before we get into all the proportional states that may drag thins thing out a long time and into the convention. For those who think it would be a bad thing, I disagree. If it means getting an exciting conservative drafted and telling the DC elite who have push one weak progressive candidate after another down our throats, time after time to shove it, then so be it.

    We have been told incorrectly that we have to weaken conservatism in order to win the independents. That is a huge lie. A moderate candidate (progressive) only serves to blur the line in the general election. As I see it, if you can look at the party of smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, personal freedom, and the right to life and compare it to the party of big government, higher taxes, less personal freedom , pro-abortion, weak military, and a government responsibility to hold your hand from cradle to grave and yet are independent and undecided and could go either way, then you must to either too stupid or too informed to vote. Do these independents have any core principles that cannot be shaken. Are any core values important to them? By weakening our values while holding our noses to support someone that MAY have more appeal to a group of voters who by definition cannot choose between two diametrically opposed philosophies is pure suicide.

    So this year is truly a special election. With our debt and economy at a point that we may truly fail as a nation if we do not turn this ship around there is not room for error. Te delegates who arrive at this convention are going to be some hard core fighters I suspect and anything is possible. A brokered convention is not out of the question and those who say there is no one that can be drafted has no basis in fact for this conclusion. The reality is that since we cannot read the future, we simply do not know if it would be a good thing or a bad thing. I am at this snapshot in time think it might be a good thing. It certainly would be a good thing if a Demint or a Rubio were drafted! It would inject an incredible new energy into the race.

    Do not listen to the Ann Coulter’s of the world who decided to show her real colors as a pseudo-conservative megalomanic who has simply co-opted the conservative cause as a great niche to sell her books. Support a candidate in the primary that you think matches your values. Don’t let everyone tell you to vote based upon who they tell you can or cannot win. Be strong this time around or you may not have another chance.

  • iluvit

    For those of you who say that there is no possibility of a brokered convention then you need to reconsider. I was a delegate to the “Dole Disaster Convention”. During that time, there were huge platform negotiations and battle lines drawn on key issues and also the selection choice as VP. In brief, the “committed” delegates were prepared to violate the first round committment on the vote if the pro-life plank was removed or Dole picked Christy Todd Whitman as VP. A huge number of the delegates were on the verge of going totally rogue, ready to violate the pledge to support Dole on the first round and go brokered and install a candidate of at least block Dole. I was surprised at how many true conservatives and gone to their precinct meetings and engaged to run as delegates.

    Earlier in the campaign season, I never considered it a real possibility. Odds were that one of two things would happen–either Mitt Romney would run away with it early on which I doubted or the conservatives would rapidly consolidate around one person as the non-Romney. I also failed to consider that Paul would in the end garner quite as much support due to non-republicans voting in our primary and republicans being willing to throw away their vote to a candidate with no chance of taking the nomination. So now, we have a totally different playing field from what I anticipated. We have Romney who cannot break 50% in his wildest dreams and 3 others determined to fight on who can also not break 50% in the crowded, split field.

    With the above in mind as a practical historical reference and the real likelyhood that Romney and Gingrich may not garner 50% it is no longer a wild fantasy to think a brokered convention could become a reality. The DC insiders see this a a real threat and want this down to 2 people ASAP and are coming out of the woodwork now to try to get this over with quick before we get into all the proportional states that may drag thins thing out a long time and into the convention. For those who think it would be a bad thing, I disagree. If it means getting an exciting conservative drafted and telling the DC elite who have push one weak progressive candidate after another down our throats, time after time to shove it, then so be it.

    We have been told incorrectly that we have to weaken conservatism in order to win the independents. That is a huge lie. A moderate candidate (progressive) only serves to blur the line in the general election. As I see it, if you can look at the party of smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, personal freedom, and the right to life and compare it to the party of big government, higher taxes, less personal freedom , pro-abortion, weak military, and a government responsibility to hold your hand from cradle to grave and yet are independent and undecided and could go either way, then you must to either too stupid or too informed to vote. Do these independents have any core principles that cannot be shaken. Are any core values important to them? By weakening our values while holding our noses to support someone that MAY have more appeal to a group of voters who by definition cannot choose between two diametrically opposed philosophies is pure suicide.

    So this year is truly a special election. With our debt and economy at a point that we may truly fail as a nation if we do not turn this ship around there is not room for error. Te delegates who arrive at this convention are going to be some hard core fighters I suspect and anything is possible. A brokered convention is not out of the question and those who say there is no one that can be drafted has no basis in fact for this conclusion. The reality is that since we cannot read the future, we simply do not know if it would be a good thing or a bad thing. I am at this snapshot in time think it might be a good thing. It certainly would be a good thing if a Demint or a Rubio were drafted! It would inject an incredible new energy into the race.

    Do not listen to the Ann Coulter’s of the world who decided to show her real colors as a pseudo-conservative megalomanic who has simply co-opted the conservative cause as a great niche to sell her books. Support a candidate in the primary that you think matches your values. Don’t let everyone tell you to vote based upon who they tell you can or cannot win. Be strong this time around or you may not have another chance.

  • iluvit

    For those of you who say that there is no possibility of a brokered convention then you need to reconsider. I was a delegate to the “Dole Disaster Convention”. During that time, there were huge platform negotiations and battle lines drawn on key issues and also the selection choice as VP. In brief, the “committed” delegates were prepared to violate the first round committment on the vote if the pro-life plank was removed or Dole picked Christy Todd Whitman as VP. A huge number of the delegates were on the verge of going totally rogue, ready to violate the pledge to support Dole on the first round and go brokered and install a candidate of at least block Dole. I was surprised at how many true conservatives and gone to their precinct meetings and engaged to run as delegates.

    Earlier in the campaign season, I never considered it a real possibility. Odds were that one of two things would happen–either Mitt Romney would run away with it early on which I doubted or the conservatives would rapidly consolidate around one person as the non-Romney. I also failed to consider that Paul would in the end garner quite as much support due to non-republicans voting in our primary and republicans being willing to throw away their vote to a candidate with no chance of taking the nomination. So now, we have a totally different playing field from what I anticipated. We have Romney who cannot break 50% in his wildest dreams and 3 others determined to fight on who can also not break 50% in the crowded, split field.

    With the above in mind as a practical historical reference and the real likelyhood that Romney and Gingrich may not garner 50% it is no longer a wild fantasy to think a brokered convention could become a reality. The DC insiders see this a a real threat and want this down to 2 people ASAP and are coming out of the woodwork now to try to get this over with quick before we get into all the proportional states that may drag thins thing out a long time and into the convention. For those who think it would be a bad thing, I disagree. If it means getting an exciting conservative drafted and telling the DC elite who have push one weak progressive candidate after another down our throats, time after time to shove it, then so be it.

    We have been told incorrectly that we have to weaken conservatism in order to win the independents. That is a huge lie. A moderate candidate (progressive) only serves to blur the line in the general election. As I see it, if you can look at the party of smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, personal freedom, and the right to life and compare it to the party of big government, higher taxes, less personal freedom , pro-abortion, weak military, and a government responsibility to hold your hand from cradle to grave and yet are independent and undecided and could go either way, then you must to either too stupid or too informed to vote. Do these independents have any core principles that cannot be shaken. Are any core values important to them? By weakening our values while holding our noses to support someone that MAY have more appeal to a group of voters who by definition cannot choose between two diametrically opposed philosophies is pure suicide.

    So this year is truly a special election. With our debt and economy at a point that we may truly fail as a nation if we do not turn this ship around there is not room for error. Te delegates who arrive at this convention are going to be some hard core fighters I suspect and anything is possible. A brokered convention is not out of the question and those who say there is no one that can be drafted has no basis in fact for this conclusion. The reality is that since we cannot read the future, we simply do not know if it would be a good thing or a bad thing. I am at this snapshot in time think it might be a good thing. It certainly would be a good thing if a Demint or a Rubio were drafted! It would inject an incredible new energy into the race.

    Do not listen to the Ann Coulter’s of the world who decided to show her real colors as a pseudo-conservative megalomanic who has simply co-opted the conservative cause as a great niche to sell her books. Support a candidate in the primary that you think matches your values. Don’t let everyone tell you to vote based upon who they tell you can or cannot win. Be strong this time around or you may not have another chance.

  • Juggernaut

    supporters if Romney declines. I’ll stand by whomever but for many it will be as demoralizing as and football game that loses a the All Star quarterback.

    Romney has 1 percenter baggage that the Obamabots shall feed upon and the general election types who don’t follow politics closely could be angered stories nuanced to generate jealousy and mistrust. It’s gonna be ugly no matter whom but clearly people are already saying no vote if one or the other is nominated.

  • iluvit

    It would not show up and appeared to not go through the first time. Not sure what happened. I am embarrassed but cannot delete anything.

  • edintexas

    Day never had a chance.

  • evenyn123456

    Newt has been part of Washington and has NOT spent much time in trying to clean up the corruption in Washinton DC. His past has good and bad but is Washington through and through, including making his money off of Washington.

  • edintexas

    The Founders were far more prescient than given credit today. But the people’s ignorance of the Constitution, and the ideas of the Founders on which the Constitution is based, is a huge hurdle to jump in trying to get the country back on course. I believe this ignorance is deliberately induced by the Left’s control of the “education system”. It serves no purpose of the Left to have the people aware of the system of government intended by the Founders.

    What worries me most is the combination of another term of office for Dear Leader, potential Supreme Court vacancies, and the traditional spineless Republicans who would refuse to oppose more nominees like Kagan and Sotomayor. Even if they had a majority in the Senate, the Republicans would most likely confirm such nominees, much to the detriment of the Republic. Democrat nominees can’t be expected to turn “conservative”, as so many Republican nominees have turned “liberal” in the past.

  • mikesandolo

    Wondering if these establishment types who are gleefully eviscerating Newt in the media and talking down to us Hobbits are going to go after Obama with the same fervor? Doubt it.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m just pointing out that the then-Alliance replaced Day with Harper to reach out to the Red Tories.

    I wish a Day *could* do better in Canada.

  • mayflower

    I really want to know this, it’s not a rhetorical question.

    Why do you think Romney ISN’T the best shot at a win?

    He has a built-in campaign office in EVERY town in America – every Mormon congregation will be incredibly energized to work to elect him. It means the earth to them to mainstream their religion.

    He’s got limitless means. Heck, the Marriott family alone, and the Hunstman fortune…plus who knows how many others can back him.

    I don’t see how Romney loses. Could you explain?

    Also, could anybody here explain how brokered conventions work? Also, if it would be practically POSSIBLE for a third party run? Maybe even the threat of one would draw votes away from Romney?

  • mayflower

    I really want to know this, it’s not a rhetorical question.

    Why do you think Romney ISN’T the best shot at a win?

    He has a built-in campaign office in EVERY town in America – every Mormon congregation will be incredibly energized to work to elect him. It means the earth to them to mainstream their religion.

    He’s got limitless means. Heck, the Marriott family alone, and the Hunstman fortune…plus who knows how many others can back him.

    I don’t see how Romney loses. Could you explain?

    Also, could anybody here explain how brokered conventions work? Also, if it would be practically POSSIBLE for a third party run? Maybe even the threat of one would draw votes away from Romney?

  • jimmyg1

    I have voted “R” in every election down to the school board and fire chief level since 1980. I am a former Reagan D and reregistered as a R around 82.
    Romney has turned this race into a name calling circus.He has shown what type of man he is. I cannot and will not vote for him.
    We could have spent the last 2 months debating the issues and defining why conservative principles are a better choice for our country. Instead we have a Romney smear campaign.

    It is my belief that when we elect a moderate big spender the results turn off the country so much it ushers in an even worse Democrat (see Bush1 leads to Clinton, Bush 2 leads to Obama)
    God only knows what we would get after a 1 term Romney

  • earlgrey

    he did a poor SOTU response a few years back.

  • jqcitizen

    It is difficult as it is to sort through the crap that money can sling. The organized attacks by the GOP establishment and the liberal media which are intended only to scare and confuse voters to get their anointed candidate selected.

    Instead, it should encourage all voters who want a return to Constitution government, fiscal responsibility, and traditional American values to support the only man that can do it. That man is Gingrich. He brought the GOP back to power after 40 years, He was one of the key people Regan relied on to push through a conservative agenda. The result was balanced budgets, tax rate reductions with increased revenue to the government, enormous growth and creation of jobs, and the rebuilding of a gutted military. He pushed changes to the welfare system resulting in reduced welfare rolls without the disaster predicted by the liberal progressives of the day. Even Clinton had to co-operate if he intended to secure his legacy. He forced Republicans to adopt a plan an successfully executed. He may have big and sometimes outrageous ideas, but he is actually executes very doable plans.

    He could have done more, had the go-along-to-get-along Congressional club not been moved so far out of their comfort zone that they panicked. Newt was effective then, he’s better now. His own party said he didn’t listen to their ideas. Never occurred to them that might have been because their ideas were crap. They fear a shakeup, but if what Gingrich accomplished during his tenure in the House was a shakeup, them bring it on.

  • 6t9boss

    I have said all a long that the Conservatives are being attacked by the GOP Establishment -Liberals in a manner of pure Hate like I have never seen. The Carl Rove RINO’s , and pundits Rush, Hannity, Boortz ( who sold his friend of 40 yrs. down the river), Beck, Coulter, Kruathammer, Krystol and etal have gone out of their way to destroy Conservatives and in the end the difference between the GOP candidate and Obama will be nothing but the letter “R” by his name…….
    The Democrate could not have wished for more. Talk about creating a split you guys will not recover from

  • renl57

    Newt Gingrich leads Mitt Romney among Republicans, but he is the weakest of the Republican candidates tested against President Obama, according to an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released Thursday evening.

    Gingrich leads Romney 37 percent to 28 percent nationally among registered Republicans likely to vote in the primaries; Rick Santorum is in third with 18 percent, and Ron Paul is fourth with 12 percent.

    Romney fares best against the president, trailing Obama by six points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent. That?s a four-point improvement for the president from a month ago.

    Obama, however, beats Gingrich by a whopping *18 points*, 55-37 percent, expanding the president?s 11-point lead a month ago.

    Santorum also loses to Obama, but by a narrower margin, 53-38 percent, than Gingrich.

    http://tinyurl.com/7lfouor

    If Romney loses to Obama, his supporters will have a lot of explaining to do? Of course.

    But when the GOP base picked Sharron Angle to run against a very vulnerable Harry Reid–and he won easily–the GOP base had a lot of explaining to do.

    I’m still waiting for them to do it.
    And for realizing what a mistake they made.

  • http://www.campaignfreedom.org Brad Smith

    Gotta love a post that describes Rush, Hannity, Boortz, Glen Beck, and Ann Coulter as “establishment liberals.”

    Whomever the nominee is, I’m support him wholeheartedly. Everyone here should do the same. http://www.redstate.com/brad_smith/2012/01/28/take-the-pledge/.

  • beeman56

    A lot of Republicans don’t even know their candidate is doomed, can’t win. Why? Ron Paul has 20-25% supporters nation wide, with 10-15% are hard core backers. These hard core backers say they will right Paul in before voting for any one else.

    Newt’s campaign is over $1M in debt with a lose in Florida he is toast, he won’t make it passed Feb. 7th.

    Romney has lots of money but is turning toxic because of where he gets it from, Wall street Banksters. The same that received trillions of bailout money.

    Santorum, he wants another war with Iran, and he is running out of money.

    The way I see it, the republican party is screwed without Paul.

  • beeman56

    You need to replace Romney with Paul.

    Romney and Obama are the same according to the Wall street Banksters, Of whom are donating Millions to both. I wonder why? Ron Paul gets his money from donors like you and I, not big donors. These same Banksters got trillions of bailout, tarp and fed handouts. Seven of these banks are sitting on $350 trillion worth of derivatives. It took less than $1T of derivatives to bring down AIG. I also believe as soon as the primaries are over Romney’s donor from wall street will disappear, they already have their puppet Obama.

    Who saw the Housing crash before everyone else, Ron Paul warned us in 2002 but no one would listen. The economy is Ron Paul’s expertise. Great you tube video (how money is created) get educated.

  • ecarson

    Today’s WSJ-NBC poll shows that among independent voters (given that Republicans will vote for the Republican and Democrats will vote for Obama) Romney’s negatives have increased by 20 points– from 22 % disapproval to 42% just since the same poll in November.

    In November Romney was beating Obama in the poll, 47-34% among independents. This month, Obama is beating Romney, 44-36% among independents. From +13% to -8%,, that’s a 21 point swing among the voters who wil decide the election.

    And who has been driving up Romney’s negatives? It’s not Obama. It’s been Republicans like Perry and Newt. Bottom line– we can’t win the election just by turning out Republicans, because only Republicans are an outright majority in only a handful of states. Independents will decide the election and these attacks are clearly battering the guy who is still the best candidate to beat Obama.

  • ecarson

    And all that comes with it– the full implementation of Obamacare, more big government, tax increases, more energy dependence and more debt until we go broke.

  • beeman56

    Why back some one who sits on a love seat with Pelosi and says global warming is a real problem?

    Newt shown in the past we will cave in when the going gets tough. We need some one that is willing to say no and veto every budget until it gets balanced. We are now spending 2 trillion dollars every year. By 2015 we will be $23T in debt, no way we can survive this as a nation. So then it’s up to the World Bank to come up with a fix for our economy, which no one is willing to do. At that point it no longer matters who is President, our economy will have collapsed, with no SS, Medicare, welfare, and no jobs. The 1930′s will be a cake walk compared to what is coming. The Population at that time had savings, no debt like now, and was able to grow their own food.

    If Romney, Newt, or Santorum wins Nomination the Republican Party will be screwed. None of these can get any independent or liberal voters. I don’t want to hold my nose when voting any more. I voted straight republican ever since Jimmy Carter, I want a divorce if any of these neocons win.

  • beeman56

    I voted Republican line ever since Jimmy Carter, those days are over for me. It’s Ron Paul or nothing now, he is putting his life on the line, promising to audit the FED if he wins. Paul will stop this run away debt train we are on.

    If Ron Paul becomes President then it is over for the elite banksters that have enslaved us all with debt and taxes since 1913. One elite is the Rothschild’s worth $500 trillion, of which they stole from us using the Federal Reserve banking system. They where the brains of this enslavement on Jekyll Island in 1910. At that time JP Morgan was the one really pushing for this, but after his death they found the Rothschild’s owned 80% of the bank.

    One thing is for sure in good ole US of A death, taxes, interest, and enslavement by the elites.

  • Vegas_Rick

    Paranoia really doesn’t become you. Or anyone else for that matter.

    “elite banksters that have enslaved us all with debt and taxes since 1913.”

    Funny, banks have never done a damned thing to me.

  • http://www.democratsforsale.blogspot.com soonermom

    I am with you 100% — cannot stand Romney or Newt. I go with my Senator Coburn that Newt would be the last person I vote for President. All you have to do is listen to the people who served with him when he was Speaker to know his disdain for small Government conservatives. He loved earmarks and increased them as Speaker. Conservatives don’t pal around with Pelosi and Daschle on global warming and Hillary on healthcare. Romney is not a Conservative — not even close.

    Would like NONE OF THE ABOVE on my ballot to send a message to the RNC that they blew it with all the debates and playing favorites. Rove and his interference for Romney should wake people up to the fact he does the bidding of Bush 41 and his group who are calling the shots.

    Brokered convention works for me because our choices are really bad.

    My support is moving over to the House and Senate races — not one dime is going to the RNC or the candidates left standing. Not happening.

  • rigdum

    no Republican and no true conservative would fail to choose Romney over Barack Obama, or stay home because his own favority candidate did not get the nomination. Romney has the money and organization to get the nomination, it appears, and the polls show now that he is our best candidate for this election. He is so much more conservative than Obama that nobody who cares for the country can petulantly stay home. Gingrich has many skills, and he is being unfairly attacked on many dimensions: he will have a major influence on the Republican party for years to come. His best job would be as the head of Romney’s Domestic Policy Council–some job where he could think more and manage less.

  • 6t9boss

    But Brad I don’t know how you can look at their recent comments and come away with any other conclusion that these folks have chosen to stand more to left of Conservatism. I was truely amazed at how Coulter ripped Newt apart on Neal Booortz show and he just let her go on. I have heard Beck in December go on a tirade on Newt, Even Rush with his “”left side of Newt brain and wandering thoughts comments” and Rush on Friday believes the out of context Reagan comment.
    These “guys ” are suppposed to ( in theory) be on our side ; supporting the Conservative agenda ( at least that what they want to believe so we will BUY their books!).
    After what Carl Rove, Micheal Steele an the GOP did to conservatives in 2010 and are doing now…it gives me the impression the GOP do not want Conservatives around or atleast want us to “just vote “R” then shut-up. They may get their wish on the “Shut-up” part….just not the vote to go with it.
    And the Democrates do love it just like you do.

  • evenyn123456

    If you really study Newt’s voting record while he was in Congress, he had little in common with the TEA PARTY. If you want to know about the mental stability of the Newt ask the dozens of Congressmen who were there when Newt was. Maybe that is why they are almost to a man against Newt. Newt has been part of the establishment and has never really NOT BEEN part of the establishment/a part of Washington DC — even when he was working for Freddie Mac. Newt is a multi millianaire who made most of his money by being part of Washington.
    Nevertheless, ABO.

  • Vegas_Rick

    why do they fear him so? I have checked heis record in Congress. I have looked at his ethics “trial.”

    He was viewed in his day the same way many of our freshman house members are looked at by the current leadership.

    They don’t want, and have never wanted, small government types who will only rock their boat and cause them headaches.

    Who else would be tea party? Mittens? Please!

    Santorum the social con statist?

  • evenyn123456

    You said it better than I could. REMEMBER: A vote for anyone but our nominee IS a vote for Obama. Defeating Obama is necessary in order to save our nation as we know it. So, go ahead and pout because you didn’t get your choice and see what happens!
    ABO.