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The Jacksonville Brawl

I’m biased, but I think the real winner last night was CNN and I feel confident I’d say that even if they didn’t send me a paycheck. After that disastrous and embarrassing NBC debate, Wolf Blitzer held his own, did not get devoured by Newt Gingrich, and engaged in a lot of substance without a lot of random questions like . . . oh . . . say . . . should states ban birth control.

Let me tell you first who lost the debate because it was in a moment with Wolf Blitzer. There was a moment he asked Newt Gingrich about Romney’s tax returns and Newt tried to say the question was inconsequential. He tied his napkin around his neck, pulled up his fork and knife, and was just about to sink his teeth into Wolf when Wolf pushed again. The crowd heckled Blitzer. Gingrich drooled over the moderator he was about to consume. “Wanna try again,” he asked mischievously. Wolf Blitzer, instead of hopping on Newt’s plate pushed once more, pointing out Gingrich had, just this week, attacked Romney on these things. The crowd reacted a bit and Gingrich suddenly tried to get everyone on stage to call a truce. Romney had none of it, instead calling on Gingrich to, in effect, man up and say to Mitt’s face the things he says elsewhere.

The crowd turned on Newt. They laughed. They jeered. Blitzer, saved from the jowls of moderator eater, went straight in to a tax question based on Romney’s taxes and Newt’s tax plan with Newt still on defense from the prior question. The moderator ate Newt. Live by the debate, die by the debate, and Newt Gingrich died in some clever rhetoric, losing the crowd both in that instance and on Mitt Romney’s stock ownership.

Mitt Romney won the debate. He and Gingrich behaved like petulant children, but Romney got under Newt’s skin in a way Newt did not get under Romney’s skin and Newt came off looking the lesser of the two. Additionally, Mitt Romney finally offered up a bold and clear answer on his wealth with a strong defense of capitalism and self-made men. There was no apology and no defense. It was precisely what he needed to do.

Though he may have won, Rick Santorum had the best night of any candidate and though Romney won on points, Santorum won on style and substance. He offered up the strongest attack yet on Romneycare, pointing out how if Romney is the nominee we cede an important line of attack on Obamacare. He rattled Romney in a way Newt did not. He acted like the adult in the room. He got himself some supporters from Newt Gingrich I’m pretty sure.

Then there was Ron Paul. Many of us quickly dismiss Ron Paul, but his performance was stellar. He offered extremely sound responses on healthcare, education, border security, and more. Very few of the questions were on foreign policy, which is where he tends to go off the reservation. Last night he came off as warm, funny, and right on the mark. It was his best debate performance. Santorum and Paul benefited from Romney and Gingrich’s constant bickering.

But Romney did what he had to do. He stopped any swing back from Gingrich. His performance more likely than not helped him secure Florida unless Gingrich can pour in money and manpower in the next 24 hours.

COMMENTS

  • mikelindell2

    Really seems like last chance to stop Romney, stop demolition of conservative movement, and save the country. Mitt will never make the tough decisions to fix the country. Any chance we can get Santorum to get out and endorse Newt? Michelle Malkin said yesterday on Fox Rickmight be dropping out.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Sigh.

    Really missing a sober minded fiscal conservative right now.

  • gmscan

    He did a great job, including being the only person up there to mention Honduras. He presented a cogent Latin American policy. He also is the only one who has an understandable economic plan beyond “cutting taxes and regulations” (yawn).

    Gingrich seemed churlish, Romney arrogant. And I was boosting Gingrich until last night.

  • snappy101

    Not a Ron Paul supporter but he won the debate for being the only adult in the room. It was like watching The Real Housewives of the GOP debates. I might say Santorum won but nothing he says now jives with his big government voting record. I’ve had enough of the two ladies in the middle or Newt Romney as Michele Bachmann (remember her?) called them. Space exploration? Yeah, I think I saw that one among the Top 10 issues concerning voters. What was it like number 999? The best answer was to the question about who would make the best first lady. Was it because 1) My wife wrote a cookbook; 2) My wife is the mother of my children and gave it all up for ME so I could be a contenduh; 2) My wife is a saint; 3) My wife has a debilitating condition; 4) My wife gave up her 2 careers. Which one? Which one actually answered the question? NONE. Missing answer: My wife slept with me while I was married to someone else.

  • Risky

    Ryan/Daniels?

  • ethos

    Newt the “The Great Debater” was soundly dismantled by a focused and aggressive Romney, really, really putting to rest Newt’s electability argument, while solidly showing how Romney can handle his own negatives and that he is not as flawed as enthusiasts of McCain’s 200 page oppositional research file would have you believe.

    His healthcare answer is actually sound too, due to differing conditions on the state vs federal leveral. Namely the fact that states are federally mandated to cover healthcare costs for the uninsured. It is a nuanced subject but Romney is on very solid ground in defending his record there, though Santorum using it as a contrast point is very solid campaigning and while doesn’t change the math certainly does increase his stock.

    This debate was Romney’s notice to republicans that he is legit, formidable, and up to the challenge.

  • joemc133

    these past months. However, this past week (and debate last night) shows how Newt blunders when he has the lead. AND, this seems to match what critics are saying about his time as Speaker. Santorum won the debate. Paul looked better than Newt and Mitt last night!

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …for Perry to “suspend” appear, only a week hence?

  • Crash71234

    Paul was entertaining.
    Newt (I’m a former supporter.) came in fifth with Perry in fourth.

  • arthurmanger17

    Yesterday January 26th, 2012, Judge Malihi who ordered the president or his legal counsel to respond to an eligibility for president suit in Georgia held court without them. The main argument is the Supreme Court ruling in Minor vs. Happersett establishing the definition of ?natural born Citizen? as born in the United States of parents who are themselves United States citizens. Nowhere in the press was their any coverage of today?s court proceedings. No talking head or political pundit mentioned it.
    Why some in the ruling class have called for Rubio or Jindal to run for president or be the vice presidential pick, it is because under Article 2 section1 of the constitution they are not eligible. The term ?Natural born citizen? being a requirement to run for and be president is the reason why. The president and vice president positions in the federal government are the only positions where it is required that the person be a Natural born citizen.
    In Minor vs. Happersett 1875 the supreme court of the federal government established the definition of ?natural born Citizen? as born in the United States of parents who are themselves United States citizens. The ruling is binding precedent as to the Constitutional definition of a Natural born Citizen. It just so happens that in this decision it defines Obama status as a person with one parent a citizen and the other not, but born in this country as a nationalized citizen.

  • gpclaw

    There were a few times he came close to displaying some charisma, but then reverted back into crazy uncle mode, and started rambling, and rambling, and rambling…. When he went into his spiel about how government bailouts, and the Fed transfer wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, there was a shot of the rest of the panel. The looks on Gingrich and Ronmey’s face was priceless, as they tried to decipher the Paul-speak.

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

    Doesn’t mean they’re not a natural born citizen, you kook. What’s next? Ineligible to run because someone ate at a Tex Mex restaurant?

    Bye.

  • tkjaros
    Ron Paul is the most fiscal conservative. And maybe his foreign policy is not as crazy as Newt’s: moon-base colony of 13,000 people by his second term??
  • tkjaros

    What’s up with Newt’s foreign policy? He wants to start a moon-base with 13,000 people by his second term????

    If Ron Paul falls of the reservation because of his foreign policy, where does that place Newt on foreign policy? Out of this planet?

  • Common_Cents

    No other candidate would have survived the onslaught Newt took in IA, nobody would have survived the onslaught he received from all sides in FL.

    Newt was attacked repeatedly all day by the media, by Romney, by Romney PACs, by Ads, by Romney surrogates, by DC establishment surrogates, and finally, was targeted by the Blitz.

    Total ambush, yet people are now saying Gingrich had a bad performance? sheesh. WHO wouldn’t have? Ronald Reagan would’ve looked like crap! It was a set up to make Newt fit the media narrative.

    Blitzer attacks more indirectly, sneaky in his questioning of other candidates hoping they make Gingrich look bad. Blitz did it all night long. If a line of questioning was making hits on Gingrich, Blitz stuck with it and let the other candidates do on and on.

    If Gingrich started making headway, Blitz quickly went on to a new topic. It was so obvious.

    Blitz was bragging to Cooper after the debate. Blitzer is the WORST kind of liberal. He is shifty and vague and uses the spineless attack approach like “Some critics say…….” More like what he wants to say.

    I appreciate the Keith Olbermann’s of the world for one thing. He is a raging liberal, but at least he lets you know it up front. Blitz is a lefty wolf in sheeps clothing.

    It’s sad that the post debate spin, many people, including Erick, say CNN and the Blitz won the debate.

    That right there should tell you something is VERY wrong. This should NOT be about the media and should NOT be about the moderator.
    I’d like to know if the Blitz has ever voted for a Republican.

    Erick, you are darn near talking as if Blitz was a freakin candidate. “holding his own” and that CNN won? Is Blitz or CNN running for office?

    The mere fact that you said that shows that something is very very wrong with the process.

    The media is wayyyy too self important. I’d think you’d pick up on this, for the sake of America’s future.

  • http://lazarusreport.blogtownhall.com/ Tom Lesser

    Erick,

    You are right, you are biased. Yes, the CNN debate was better than the NBC debate, but last night’s debate was horrible. Take your pick: Wolf’s obvious anti-Newt stance in almost every question and the time spent on anti-Newt vs pro-Newt; or the total lack of focus on the ompirtant issues: Yes, who would be the better First Lady, Ron Paul’s health, a Moon colony — these are the issues facing America.

    Erick, once again I have to agree with you: you are biased.

  • Right_Again

    when he picked up and championed the Associated Press logic that somehow Mitt investing in Fannie and Freddie through mutual funds was a sin on the level of his collecting $1.6 billion from them for “consulting”. He looks like a fool when he adopts leftist logic (see also Bain).

    He then lost the debate when Mitt asked him if he had checked his own investments because he also owned mutual funds that were invested in those two agencies.

    I have been a supporter of Newt. I would like him to be able to use his aggressive debating tactics against Obama. But I hate it when he uses these leftist talking points.

  • avgjo

    Jeopardy! performance.

    Not fair, but there it is.

    Dummies like that tearing apart people running for pres. Ahh, the power of the media.

  • cfoy65

    and I never thought I would be saying this! I think my vote may change for Santorum on Tuesday. Also, for the first time I thought Romney looked Ok. The thought of pulling the lever for Romney in the general, should I be required to do so, really made me sick up until last night. I don’t think I would feel as bad now. Funny how perceptions can change with these performances.

  • maybenexttime

    Perry was going nowhere and he knew it. Romney would absolutely be running away with Florida if Perry was still in it, taking 5-10% from Gingrich.

    The other “Rick” should’ve dropped out after SC. Romney is winning this thing because a couple of candidates who had no real shot of securing the nomination didn’t know when to leave the stage.

  • mikelindell2

    Well, it was 1.6 million, paid over 6 years to his consulting firm, which also did consulting for companies like IBM & Microsoft. Why wasn’t it left wing for Romney to have asked Newt to return money he made running a legitimate business. Or are things only left wing when the prestigious Charles Krauthammer says they are? The only thing I blame Newt for is getting sucked into this decoy by Romney. Mitt can’t run on his liberal record or timid policy proposals, so he has to set up a series of distractions.

  • lalupa

    Obama is going to be re-elected.I do wish the GOP would take some time to reform itself and come up with a new agenda. As someone wrote earlier,cut taxes and less regulations is the answer to everything (yawn). When we cut taxes under Bush, it didn’t prevent the meltdown. We eliminated Glass-Steagall and that led to the fnancial meltdown. As long as we have the same approaches, the same talking points, Obama will be able to say that the GOP wants to go back to the same policies that created the problem. You can say CRA all you want. Most people are not aware of the details. They just think Bush made a mess. That’s the level of thinking.

  • maybenexttime

    Newt jumped the shark last night. That’s the only way to put it.

    Unless something comes from out of left field in the Romney campaign, I think Mitt has effectively sewn up the nomination. He’ll win Florida by seven points (or more) and then ride a wave into Nevada, Maine, and Colorado. That month gap before Super Tuesday will probably be the party establishment’s time to whip dissidents into line.

    It looked like Newt had a real shot at derailing the Romney Train. He slowed it down significantly, but didn’t do nearly enough damage to send it off the tracks.

  • Common_Cents

    How about the fact that the Romney campaign has a dedicated staffer in Florida to arrange surrogates to STALK the Gingrich campaign and stir up trouble. These are sitting congressmen like Jason Chaffetz.
    *********************
    A source close to the campaign told ABC News there will be a Romney surrogate at every public Gingrich event in Florida standing by to rebut Gingrich?s speeches to the media.

    ?The campaign is entering a phase now where we are defining the terms of the Florida race,? a Romney staffer said.

    The staffer said it wasn?t a sign of fear on the Romney campaign?s side.

    However, the campaign didn?t feel the need to trail Gingrich when he was in 4th in Iowa.

    The campaign decided Sunday night to send a staff member to Florida full time, specifically to handle the Romney surrogate group set to trail Gingrich.

    Romney?s regional press secretary, Amanda Henneberg, was on hand at two Gingrich campaign stops Wednesday to offer Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla., who spoke to several members of the press about what he thought were Gingrich?s inconsistencies in his speeches.

    At the first event today, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, was on hand along with Romney staffer Dave Kochel. At the second event, Mack and his wife Mary Bono Back joined the group.

    ?Remember, it was Newt Gingrich who said he was going to follow Obama everywhere he went,? Chaffetz said.

    What is Chaffetz doing stalking Gingrich and badmouthing him at a Gingrich rally?? Isn’t that newsworthy? Sounds petty and desperate to me.

    Here is the video:

    Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10245142-gingrich-spokesman-gets-in-spat-with-pro-romney-congressman
    *******************************

    How bout a story on the media narrative that Gingrich has no staff or ground game?

    Gingrich had the largest staff in SC but got no credit in his win for that.

    It has been reported by newsmax that Gingrich has a larger staff and more offices than Romney in FL.
    *****************
    “Gingrich has opened seven Florida offices with two more in the works, hired 14 paid staff and signed up 5,000 volunteers in Florida, 500 of them since his upset of front-runner Mitt Romney in South Carolina’s primary on Saturday.

    By contrast, Romney’s campaign had just five staffers and three offices in Florida by early this week.”

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Gingrich Organization Starts to Gel in Florida
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
    ****************************************

    Maybe the Blitz might want to take time out from high fiving John King and report on some real stories.

  • nunleigh

    and I NEVER thought I could say I am giving him a first look. The flaws in our candidates are overwhelming. I keep thinking about the general election and that “scorched earth” campaign from Obama. Romney was so excited when he was able to use his prepared “Nothing to get angry about” line, and I have to say I was one who thought Santorum came across too angry. But, now I see him reflecting my own anger. So Obama would attack Santorum for his anger? Maybe he won’t be reflecting so much anger against Obama. In the general he would be able to pull all the good conservative ideas from the other candidates together and speak to the anger and fears of our country…maybe?

  • nepanyrush

    Newt did have a poor night, beginning with his attempt to push back at Wolf.
    Romney did have a good night, much better than Newt.
    Santorum did win on points.

    I would add that the pushing of Newt’s wife to the forefront, just filled my head with the thought that she had an affair with Newt for 6 years while Newt was married, including dalliances in the bed of Newt and his wife. That could not have helped.

    One has to keep in mind that polls show that in a general election, Santorum is above Newt. Santorum really needs to get a second look as the anti-Romney.

    One also has to keep in mind that liberal groups are spending millions, including labor unions, to defeat Romney in Florida, with the hope that Newt wins. Newt is the least electable among the 4 candidates in a general election. And he is completely dependent on debate performances. If he has a bad debate, as tonight, or Obama gives few debates, Newt does not have much of an appeal to voters.

  • nunleigh

    in the White House would be a graceous wife, mother, and representative of decent values, not an in your face fashion model or political climber overly involved in policy like others (and that is plural) we have seen.

  • In The Hook

    Would be fantastic models for our nation’s girls and women. As far as who has a more important story to tell, I’d give a slight nod to Mrs. Santorum given her experiences with losing a child and raising another with disabilities. Mrs. Romney’s experience persevering through fights with terrible diseases is a close second.

    I’ll say this: Romney needs to totally abandon trying to defend Romneycare on the merits or on the subtle differences from Obamacare when it comes to taxation or the gutting of Medicare. Stick to federalism and then go the Rubio route by saying “it might be the best thing in the world but we can’t afford the entitlement programs we have right now, your new entitlement is speeding up our run towards financial ruin” and leave it at that.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Not everything a judge rambles on about in a court’s opinion is law. The case was about the right to vote. The Constitution forbids the courts from ruling beyond the case(s) before them.

  • maybenexttime

    He won’t be able to attack Obama on health care, however. That will effectively neuter him in the presidential debates, especially if the Supreme Court backs the key provisions of Obamacare this summer.

    Get ready for this, folks. I predict the Supreme Court will allow the individual mandate to become law. This will be extremely unpopular, especially among working folks who live paycheck to paycheck. Most of those people cannot afford insurance, either through their employer or on their own. Forcing low-end wage earners to buy health insurance will create a golden opportunity for the GOP to point out how dominant the federal government has become under Obama.

    Unfortunately, Romney will just have to stand there and smile when the topic comes up during a presidential debate. After all, it was his idea long before Obama implemented it.

  • jakeofalltrades
  • In The Hook

    Is if his rise made Romney a stronger candidate. I think it has and I have agreed from the start despite my terror at the prospect of a Newt candidacy in the general that if Romney couldn’t beat him on the merits he didn’t deserve the nomination and would have been crushed by Obama. Now I think there’s a fighting chance.

    The training wheels are off now though, you’re not going to see a coordinated attack by anybody on Santorum if he gets a third look So Romney’s gotta stand on his own from here on out.

  • Common_Cents

    The issue is the deck is being stacked against him. Any other candidate would have imploded by now w/ the kind of scrutiny Gingrich gets from the media, Romney campaign, Romney surrogates and the DC establishment.

    The deck gets stacked against Gingrich, he has some poor moments and doesn’t pull another debate home run, and the media then wonders why Gingrich didn’t have a stellar night?

    It would be like putting you against 3 other people on the basketball court, then everyone wondering why you didn’t score more points? Gee, you had a bad performance. What is wrong with you?

  • satchman3

    They both got walks from Newt and Mitt. Santorum’s spiel about healthcare and small government could have been rebutted by his Part D vote but Newt and Mitt don’t care enough about him to even bother. It was more like a presser for Santorum and Paul.

  • americanborn57

    Romney had a “Popeye” moment and got big against Newt – but only when the bully putz Blitz set it up. CNN wants Romney, period. Newt screwed up when he started down this lane of personal attack on Romney instead of attacking BHO. Santorum should have pulled out, but since he didn’t he did a good job in front of his mother and now should pull out on a high note.

    Romney will probably take Florida – unfortunately. He will go on and keep Obamneycare as a standard for the country and we as conservatives will lose out on our chance to bring this country back from the brink – because of a fuzzy faced wolf. Newt should have kicked ass and instead rolled in the mud with the pig.

  • gpclaw

    Romney has always advocated state solutions for health care, not a national solution. You don’t have to like the Mass health care law, but it was an example of federalism,, which is consistent with the vision of the founders view for the nation.

  • score333

    The establishment is trying to ?crucify? Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin charged late Thursday.
    ?Look at Newt Gingrich, what?s going on with him via the establishment?s attacks. They?re trying t crucify this man and rewrite history and rewrite what it is that he has stood for all these years,? Palin said

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72070.html#ixzz1kfDr2jwE

  • clowngirl

    Seemed to me he was bending over backwards to be respectful and not come off as attacking – pointing out they have had a good relationship for years.

    He was simply pointing out that we don’t need to see a question about Romney’s tax returns raised in 3 different debates. He already said that with Mitt releasing his tax records that particular issue has been set aside. Blitzer bringing it up did seem trivial.

    I actually thought Newt made his point that any remark he made in an interview doesn’t need to be turned into a debate topic.

    He didn’t feel the need to question Romney about his campaign’s recent choice to try and present Newt as emotionally unstable — or about his continuing to attack Newt on ethics charges when Newt has been exonerated.

    (skipping over that last point was a serious failure on Wolf’s part and really showed his bias)

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  • lizzie

    In the post-debate punditry on AC360:
    1) Gloria Borger got cut off when she started describing how Team Romney has a surrogate available for press availability at EVERY Gingrich FL campaign event. Gloria was shut down.
    Same point common_cents made here at 7:48AM EST

    2) David Gergen got cut off, and then was ‘disappeared’ when he tried to talk about Mitt the Nervous (Borger made same observation) It was my main impression from the entire debate – how nervous Romney gets when he speaks without a script. Gergen was highlighting this re: Who do you want in your living room for four years? NOT Romney, for me – he always makes me nervous.

    3) In the question about “first lady”, ONLY Newt gave his wife a name. No one else said their wive’s names. Newt was also very gracious in first praising all of the other wives.

    4) ok, I did not hear Newt’s entire explanation for his moon colony at the actual campaign event. But, he has consistently noted that Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic because there was a $25,000 prize as incentive. Gingrich knows that Lindbergh will register with Americans.

    I assume he would prefer to be using the best story in modern history where a cash prize incentivized enormous scientific research and engineering. That story is told in the book (and movie) “Longitude” by Dava Sobel. In 1714, England’s Parliament offered a 20,000 pound sterling prize (equal to $1.2 million dollars today) to ANYONE whose method or device proved successful in solving the the ability for sailing ship navigators to measure Longitude, a quest that had already been ongoing for two hundred years.
    It took forty years for someone to win that cash prize. John Harrison’s chronometer revolutionized ocean-going navigation, and the thousands of other efforts added so much to science and engineering that it was England who had the Industrial Revolution.

    To allow Romney to “win” that debate point is actually a sign of how little Romney knows about much of anything – no history or connect-the-dots imagination, and complete failure to inspire any American to once again become a nation of tinkerers and scientists.

    5) I thought Gingrich had the BEST answer to the last question – why are you the most electable. Romney put forward his resume? puhleeze.

    I just hope the voters in Florida are not as ignorant as the pundits.

    Romney is so NOT electable that I was actually glad that Ron Paul had his 99% moment where he did criticize the way Romney made his money.

    The media fails America.

    We have endured eleven straight years of failed presidencies, and the GOP is going to let Romney buy the nomination? (oh, I do not see much difference between DeLay and Pelosi method of strongarming their majorities, just Pelosi is not in jail.)

    All the 19th debate proved is how important it is to 1) air the dirty laundry early, and 2) not constrain the candidates by the 60 second rule, and 3) try to stick to real issues. Does anyone NOT realize that Romney has embraced Bush43′s full Neocon position? Does the GOP want a number cruncher blowing up the world? I am no anti-war leftie. Still admire the First Gulf War, especially how Bush41 got others to pay the cost. 1992 was the last time the USA had a trade surplus, due to all that cash reimbursement.

    The American experiment will not survive whatever results from the 2012 election. .

  • nativetexan41

    there will be no help from the media for our nominee, they will be all in for Obama. Romney looks so arrogant and looks at the others like you are so dumb and I am so smart and above you. I am no fan of Romney. I am afraid we are looking at 4 more years of Obama, it will be a landslide for Obama.
    The candidates should have been talking about the state of union address.
    What Is this also Romney having someone stalking Newt and heckling him and talking against him at his rally, using a Congressman from Utah and some others. Boy is this dirty politics!! This is why I don’t trust Romney, is there nothing he would not do if he thought someone is standing in his way of him being crowned with the nomination.
    What a mess, it is disgusting to me!!

  • In The Hook

    He has to stop trying to defend the program on the merits and go with this line of attack:

    - If states want to do this, they have that right. If Vermont wants to jack up tax rates and implement state single payer health care, then they have that right. If Texas wants no part of anything like that and wants a free market system, they should be able to do that.

    - Even if Obamacare was a great idea for the nation and was constitutional, we can’t afford it. We can’t afford the entitlements we have right now and we need to make serious decisions about reforming those programs. There’s no way we can afford a new entitlement on top of it.

    Those are effective lines of attack, but Mitt seems too intent right now on defending what happened in Mass.

  • tnguy

    …that republicans are so uninformed that their opinion is swayed by a few minutes in debates, rather than the principles, beliefs, merits, and ideals of the candidates.

    There is absolutely no doubt as to why our nation is in such a mess. People have become complacent and are willfully ignorant. And our leaders have no inclination to properly inform them of our peril, either out of their own ignorance or desire to not further expose the disaster they’ve created.

    God help us.

  • rdcjr

    I has been thinking about how angry Santorum seems to be. Last night I realized that I had misdiagnosed the situation. Santorum is not angry as much as he is passionate. How did I come to this conclusion. Me. I am a type A very passionate guy. I get animated when I am trying to get my point across on issues I truly believe in. I realized last night, and verified with my 20 year old daughter, that I too come across as angry when I am passionately debating someone. I think Santorum had a great night last night. I think had his worst night and Romney held his own. Philosophically, I am beginning to think that I am more aligned with Santorum than any of them. Even though Santorum is a big government guy at times I believe he may be less so than any of the current crop than except Ron Paul. If you want to shrink the size and scope of government , unfortunately, Ron Paul beats them all hands down. Really wish we had a candidate with Ron Paul’s zeal for cutting the size and scope of government without going overboard on reducing America’s role in the world. Which does need to be reduced to some degree. We do not need to have 750-1000 bases in 150-300 countries. (depending on where you get the information) We cannot afford to be the worlds policeman but we have a vital role to play.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Sheer poetry.

    Newt is not a great debater. He’s great at debate gimmickry. He says things then listens for an audience response desperately searching for a hot button to press. When he finds that button he hammers on it and uses the audience as a prop. Screams and howls from the crowd camouflage his lack of substance. Blitzer removed one of Newt’s greatest gimmicks last night and left him defenseless.

    Moon base Gingrich is bereft of any ideas that capture the heart of the conservative movement.

  • VanishingNYRep

    I will support the nominee no matter who he is. I beleived that Perry was the best candidate. He got very bad advice and let the media define him as an idiot.

    Newt Gingrich is a revolutionary figure. I will support him if he is nominated. However, the dem-lib media is not stupid. After watchiing him smash and bash them, after he got nominated, they would go dark on him and niot give him the free press he needs. Likewise the Dem-lib party would not allow mulitple debates betwen Mr. Gingrich and Pres. Obama. They know who would win and they would only agree to one debate, maybe two and the dem-lib media would complain about it.

    No, what is going on needs to happen now. Mr. Romney is getting better. He is learning to defend himself and he is showing some fight and passion. Those of us in the right wing of the GOP and Conservatives in general want to see a fighter. Mr. Gingrich is a fighter. Until SC, Mr. Romney was not. I am hoping he can keep up thiis attitude in the general election if he gets nominated.

    My last point is this, if you are a Conservative and are unhappy with the nominee then you need to do everything you can to elect conservates to the House and Senate. We will need these people to pull the next Pres. in the right direction if he is Romney or to stop the Socialist Agenda is he is Mr. Obama.

  • Wayne

    insightful of Santorum to recognize that he cannot win against Obama and he will not garner the independent voter. Throwing his support over to Newt would be wise at this juncture if he truly believes that beating Obama is paramount and Romney is not a conservative answer to Obama.

    Now if we can just keep Newt from attacking Romney and refocus his attention to the issues rather than getting sucked into the game show mentality he initially refused to be drawn into and reinsert mental discipline to get the nomination.

  • lizzie

    I know most of the media thought George S’ persistent questioning of Romney on “if a state has the right to ban contraceptives” was silly, but, it was quite important for four reasons:

    1) handed the DNC another “Mitt Fit” because Romney got really flustered.

    2) proved that even having a Harvard Law degree could not keep Romney look ignorant of the landmark 1965 SCOTUS Griswold v CT, which not only established the right of privacy, was the precedent for Roe v Wade, but also finally overturned the last of the 1873-1880′s state Comstock Laws that had banned contraception.

    3) so, how can Romney convince anyone he is capable of assessing judicial nominations? Griswold v CT was the result of an almost forty-year use of the judiciary to overturn the state Comstock Laws because it proved to be near impossible to change them in the state legislatures, especially in New York and Massachusetts.

    4) The term “Banned in Boston”, which I assume someone Romney’s age has heard of, was coined when Margaret Sanger was arrested while speaking about contraception on a stage in a public theatre in Boston, Massachusetts.

    Rick Santorum knew exactly why George S was asking that question.

    The fifth reason that question was important is because it is the DNC’s strategy to use “protecting women’s reproductive rights” in as many Senate contests as possible in order to drive voter turnout.
    It is a reverse coattails concept that was a huge success in New York in 2010 when there was zero enthusiasm for the gubernatorial cnadidates.

    How can ANY graduate of Harvard Law School NOT know 1965 Griswold v CT?

  • VanishingNYRep

    I meant to say the dem-lib media would NOT complain that the Pres would only agree to one or two debates. Sorry.

  • romansdaughter

    Yes, God in his wisdom apparently didn’t want Perry in the race anymore but that doesn’t mean God isn’t going to use him some other time. You might be happy with the remaining for candidates and that is your choice but some of us are not and that is our choice. I will pull the lever for whomever as they must be better than Obama but no I am not liking any of them.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    job even if he does work for CNN…smile

  • gpclaw

    So what you’re saying is that instead of defending his health care program, Romney needs to defend federalism? If so, I agree with that message.

  • jakeofalltrades

    But to each his own.

  • Wayne

    swayed, then you would have thought the same about Obama after the State of the Union address.

    If you couldn’t identify that Romney is being excellently coached and that he is about as transparent as cellophane in the category of genuineness you must be desperate to rid yourself of that sickening feeling you referred to.

    I’d rely on your initial reaction and start digging into Romney’s record. Neither Romney or Newt should be proud of their records as RINO’s, but of the two, I remain firmly convicted that Newt is the best of the worst choice. And give the state of the country, either Newt or Romney can beat Obama in the general. My nauseous feeling on pulling the handle for Romney remains fully engaged!!!!

  • rdcjr

    about the impact the FED is having on our wealth. Creating massive amounts of money out of thin air by a few key strokes is inflationary. There is no doubt about that. Inflation robs us all of our wealth. We have seen this play out in history time and time again. History proves Paul’s point. This especially affects those on a fixed income. As inflation increases prices one can afford less and less. Hence one is indeed becoming more poor. And the outright lying by the government and the FED when reporting inflation should be stopped. The Fed’s money printing is destroying the middle class. There is no doubt about that. The question I have is, do we have ANYBODY running right now, other than Paul, that will take on the FED and put a stop to the money printing scam. It’s theft and should be stopped. It’s too bad Bachman isn’t still around. She has more balls than the rest of the remaining field combined.

  • Right_Again

    to attack the media. This is one of his best strategies. The GOP really is running against not only Obama, but also the media. I wish Santorum and Romney would use the same tactic against the media when the opporunity presents itself.

  • circlegranch

    Funny how the mood changes, both here at RS and in the media in general. Two days ago, we were hearing about how nobody wants either Mitt or Newt, did we dare offer a prayer that maybe somehow we could coax Mitch Daniels to run? We were all about a brokered convention; where was our “Anybody but Mitt”?

    Romney hired Bachmann’s debate coach that obviously told him what she’d always been told–don’t let anything go. Keep harping and pounding until your opponent looks like hamburger. The viewing audience will be so enthralled with your level of testosterone, they won’t even notice the sanctimony.

    Mitt and his supporters have whined for months that its not fair to talk about his liberal record in MA. It’s not fair to point out that his former staff members met with White House officials and advised on the drafting of ObamaCare. We haven’t even heard beyond Limbaugh about the fact that one of Romney’s campaign staff has helped shape the new Obama proposal about refinancing mortgages to the tune of about 3 trillion, passed along to taxpayers, of course. It’s been unfair to point to any of Mitt’s red flags and then last night when Santorum wouldn’t back off on RomneyCare, Mitt tried soft bullying by telling him its not worth getting angry about; had they been standing next to one another, Mitt would probably have put his hand on Santorum’s shoulder. The fact is, this topic actually is worth getting mad about, Mr. Romney. ObamaCare will destroy this country. It is worth getting angry over the news of one of your staffers saying this week that you won’t overturn ObamaCare, but will change parts of it. Loud mouths like Coulter were able to smack that down, very much the same way the Left media covers for Obama. It’s astounding what can be accomplished when big media voices and the elites of a political party come together.

    Mitt had a good night. If he wins FL this is over. The fix that was in from the beginning will hold fast and we’re stuck. For all the accolades lauded on Romney for showing up to the knife fight w/ a more sophisticated weapon, he revealed his true side. His attacks on Perry for instate tuition were, to use his own words, replusive. Back when he had to knock out Perry and claim he was soft on immigration, using tuition as a magnet, he didn’t mention that his dad was born in Mexico or that his wife’s father immigrated here. What’s replusive is that he’s flipped on the issue and won’t admit it. Marco Rubio has some stains on his hands regarding the immigration debate also. He, too, favors instate tuition, but where was his voice when Mitt was slamming Perry? It was silent. By standing up and at least defending the policy as it applies to states trying to deal with immigration issues in light of a useless federal govt., he would not have had to endorse a candidate. Using his muscle now this late in the game is disappointing.

    Mitt Romney is no more popular or more likeable this morning. Nobody is talking about how replusive the idea is to a struggling family to hear the future nominee of the GOP tout his expertise in money management yet reveal that his ‘trustee’ actually runs his own finances. He doesn’t know which investments he owns, but he wants to be in charge of the nation’s coffers? He’s been so busy running for president, he’s put blind faith in a trustee to manage his $250 million but is applying for the job of managing the nations’ trillions.

    Romney’s poll numbers will soar because he was coached to take out Newt and show the nation that Obama better hide in fear, because he’s next. All day leading up to the debate, first one Newt critic after another rolled out their personal warning or tale of woe. Where have they been? Newt’s been in this race for months. Why in one day, did first one and then another race to a microphone? The trouncing Newt gave Mitt in SC was not going to stand, and the ruling class has obviously been up nights planning the retaliation. The sucker punches came all day long, ahead of Mitt delivering the knock out on national TV. As Rush noted yesterday, let’s only hope the Romney team and wimpy GOP are half as forceful against Obama. It was Romney’s coronation night, for sure.

    There remains one big problem for Gov. Romney. He still has a record that is not conservative. He still is not likable or in touch with average Americans. His growing popularity is sourced in the weariness of the public in watching almost 20 debates. So many of us have signed on to one candidate or another and through their own shortcomings and the attack machine of the establishment GOP, 75% of us are left empty-handed. We’re stuck with Mitt. There is no where else to turn. We must settle for Mitt. Limbaugh had a very good point yesterday when he said the quicker this is over, the longer period Obama has to attack our candidate. Do we really think that the propping up of Romney by the likes of Bob Dole and Tom Delay is going to help win over moderate hearts between now and November?

    Unless you’re a weak-kneed, moderate to liberal Republican, there’s nothing to be hopeful about today. A few days ago there was talk of maybe a late comer, a true champion free of insider connections and elite political support. Things change overnight in politics.

  • rdcjr

    We really need an edit feature.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    They’re going to be even more important now.

  • Scope

    The comment you are replying to is nothing more than telling you that you better get in line, and behind the commenters chosen candidate. I don’t believe there was ever a more divisive election cycle, with people who are desperate for their candidate to win, to tell others how to think, and who they have to vote for, especially when the choices are now down to bad and worse. Who anyone chooses to vote for is their business and their choice.

  • cfoy65

    If your conclusion is correct, an overwhelming majority of the American people would have to be all for continuing the leftest path into european socialism. Maybe I’m more of an optimist, but I just don’t see it that way. I don’t care how biased the media is, the people have gotten the chance to see what the democrats have to offer…and it hasn’t been good!! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to notice this. We really have to get off this path of whether our candidate is electable or not….it really should be no contest!! The only thing the media is succeeding at right now is taking away confidence on the right. The only thing they can do right now is try to surpress our vote. If we can get everyone fired up like we did in 2010, this election will be a landslide….and we will not longer be footing the bill for all of Michelles vacations:)!!!

  • gpclaw

    but when he brought it up in the debate, he didn’t spell it out in a coherent manor. He was kind of all over the place, which left one wondering exactly what his point was.

  • Wayne

    that Romney and Newt are true conservatives. They are both playing for the conservative votes while keeping a staunch eye on independents. You seem to have been beguiled but he “image” of Romney as being “Presidential” rather than facts. Of the two (Romney & Newt), Newt will be less disappointing as the nominee and hopeful President.

    The only way to get me off the Newt bandwagon will be if a more electable conservative enters the race. Someone that will not split the vote and drawn true conservatives and independent conservatives to the table.

    Otherwise, it’s really time to vote for the least of the two evils isn’t it? After all, you “play to win” right? And, since both Newt and Romney can beat BO in the general, I will support the one that is being most honest to us. Clearly it is not Romney. Both are disingenuous as politicians, but Mitt is a pathological panderer!!!

  • Scope

    I understand that their is a picture of Perry going around with the caption- “Miss me yet?” I’m loving it.

  • lalupa

    Can someone please tell me how Romney can make government smaller when he is yet to articulate what he thinks the role of government should be. How do you decide what to eliminate or expand without the baseline of role of government?

  • Wayne

    nt

  • Wayne

    But, I appreciate your sentiment.

  • satchman3

    He was prepared to hit the moderator but not Romney.

  • romansdaughter

    thought Americans were nuts to reject Gov. Perry. I listen to BBC quite often and several commentators have made that comment. What joke! Yeah, I miss Gov. Perry as the rest of the field stinks and Mittens makes me so mad, that I am having a hard time deciding if I should pull the lever for him. Grief!

  • rdcjr

    The fact is the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue before and therefore a precedent has already be set. In order to be a “Natural Born Citizen” one must have been born in this country to two US citizens…PERIOD. That IS the law and it has been re-established by prior Supreme Court rulings. Therefore, if Obama’s father indeed was born in Kenya, as the records shows, and was still a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born, as the record also shows, Obama cannot be a “natural born citizen” but is a “naturalized citizen” and is entitled to hold only those offices where a “Natural Born Citizen” is not required. Such as the House or the Senate. He cannot be the President or Vice President. This is a fact that cannot be disputed, even by your name calling.

  • http://www.political-woman.com politicalwoman

    Given the recent comments in the media yesterday beginning with Elliott Abrams, followed by other “friends”, I’ll go as far to say it probably impacted Newt’s performance. Newt’s an emotional guy (oh, really?) and yes, it’s politics, but he took a beating in the press yesterday. It’s hard to watch the politics of personal destruction. Romney wouldn’t be the front runner today nor would the Republican Establishment support him if Christie or Daniels had entered the race. So I have this gut feeling, we’re stuck with Obama, and “they” know it. They’ll pour money into the Senate and House races, and keep their fingers crossed.

  • clowngirl

    There may be some people who watch a debate to see where candidates stand on issues but – especially after so many debates – I expect most people know that and are watching to see what kind of people they are and how they conduct themselves- and generally viewers are going to be aware of what candidates and moderators are trying to do.

    Newt came off as the most respectful of the other candidates and had the soundest ideas.

    For example. when the other candidates all piled on saying Newt was promising all these different things to people in every state and it was dishonest, unrealistic, etc— it made *them* look bad, not Newt. For one thing it didn’t sound like he was planning to increase NASA’s budget – he was talking about switching over to a system of prizes that has proven effective in encouraging private investment. Sounded like it would actually cost less money than whatever we’re spending now.

    Romney talking about Newt promising to work with Veterans groups to make sure they had a hospital in New Hampshire and didn’t have to go out of state for treatment as if it was some extravagance — I was left simply shaking my head.

    Now, granted I’m a Newt supporter but would think a lot of undecideds also heard that and were thinking: Whatever the economy – taking care of veterans needs to be a priority. It’s outrageous that they don’t even have a hospital that serves them in their own state. We don’t need a president who sees that we’re in a recession and uses that as an excuse to skip out on genuine obligations.

    Especially with all the things the federal government wastes money on.

    When Newt talked about learning what each state needed and setting priorities — that made a lot of sense.

    The other candidates attacking him on it just looked like opportunists who weren’t even bothering to consider the merits of what he said.

    And, even with space, which seems to be a big thing Newt gets made fun of for: He was presenting a much more exciting vision while the other candidates seemed resigned to our decline.

    Offering a prize as an incentive to inspire private investors to figure out how to put a man on Mars or a permanent colony on the moon — would not only be exciting in itself — but would also, almost certainly, lead to advances in technology that could be used in any number of other ways and make America more competitive in the world market.

    The other candidates completely missed the point.

    However many jabs were thrown — despite the fact the moderator did everything possible to hurt Newt — I still thought he looked the best.

  • dp79

    Then he’s just a hypocrite. I’m a newt supporter but would have zero problem voting for Santorum, but the Washington Examiner had an article about Santorum supporting the mandate as well. If this is true it’s all over http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/1994-report-santorum-supported-individual-mandate/343086

  • geah

    had threatened Mitt I might have given him a second thought, but the dear lady of D.C. threatened Newt, so guess he is the one they are afraid of in spend city.

    GO NEWT!!!

  • dp79

    I’d like to know what the circumstances were around him saying this, guess we’ll get the propaganda machine up and moving against Rick now too. Why is it so hard for these guys and their staffs to know which side of issues they’ve been on in the past? Frustrating to see Romney walk out of this basically unscathed.

  • acat

    The requirement is, quite simply, “Born in this country.” Period.

    Think about it. If that weren’t the case, the concept of an “anchor baby” wouldn’t exist.

    Mew

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    **no-text**

  • In The Hook

    Because an individual mandate on a state level is decidedly not unconstitutional. It’s a terrible idea and the system in Mass is going to crush the people there under the weight of its costs, but Romney is absolutely right when he says the majority of the people there like it. He should also point out that the state is like 65% left-wingers.

    Vermont has single payer healthcare now. That’s their right. The feds only input is to say that the states can to do whatever the heck they want when it comes to intrastate health care policy.

  • clowngirl

    I didn’t want to hear anymore about Romney’s tax returns. Did you?

    And not letting the moderator dictate what gets talked about is appropriate coming from somebody who seeks to lead the free world.

  • Bill S

    take it to the Contact link.

    PERIOD.

  • gerrypa

    I don’t know how anyone could withstand the level of attacks Newt has taken this week. And, Erick, you are pleased with CNN, but I think CNN was clearly out to get even with Newt for John King.. Thus, the First Lady question. For the first time, I felt kind of sorry for Calista.

    Newt has been confident in debates to the point of pride…”Pride goes before a fall”….this was not a good night for him.

    Santorum and Romney had a good night, but how would they have done if they had been under the same attack as Newt this week. Ann Coulter is on a one woman mission to destroy him. I do think this colony on the moon business is nuts. And, I think NASA like Defense should be goverment not private and we should not cede space to Russia or China.

    Not counting Ron Paul, who doesn’t really want to be President anyway, Santorum can be trusted the most to stand on principle. But, Newt has the vision and the fight to tackle this huge mess. I think Romney is weak. I don’t see how he would survive the Obama attacks in the General.

    We must remember Obamacare is a real threat to America. This 2700 page bill will control every fiber of our being. It will destroy America as we know it. That was the plan. And, Romney can never defend us against it.

  • lineholder

    I’d have to say that Romney did have one of his better debate performances in many ways, so I agree with you on that point. What surprises me is that you made no mention of one genuinely honest moment on Romney’s part with his response to Santorum about how elements of socialized health care, such as the individual mandate, aren’t “worth getting angry about”.

    One of the primary concerns that many Conservatives have had is that Romney is still very much so a moderate at heart who likes, accepts, and approves of the same type of progressive policies that Liberals usually pursue. In a moment of genuine honesty, Romney did prove without any shadow of doubt that those concerns have been and probably will continue to be justifiable.

    It almost seems that you’ve deliberately avoided making mention of it. Perhaps that is only how it seems??

    IMO, if Romney wins the nomination, either way we go we will end up with a President who has a favorable opinion of progressive policy positions in the WH. The only difference will be that Romney doesn’t pursue them with a vengeance for the sake of “fundamentally transforming America”. Obama does.

    Making mention of the viewpoint Romney expressed last night would at least keep Conservatives engaged enough to fight for any positions available in Congress. We’re going to need to fight to get as many elected into office as we can!!!

  • satchman3

    I looked up Minors vs Happersett.

    Here’s what it says:

    The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

  • avgjo

    I keep telling people….

    First they’ve done nothing since we swept them to power in ’10. They’ve given Obama everything he wants.

    And now, they have the nerve to try to force a crap sandwich down our collective throats?

    There won’t be a 3rd party…the GOP will end up being replaced. Friggin idiots.

  • avgjo

    I keep telling people….

    First they’ve done nothing since we swept them to power in ’10. They’ve given Obama everything he wants.

    And now, they have the nerve to try to force a crap sandwich down our collective throats?

    There won’t be a 3rd party…the GOP will end up being replaced. Friggin idiots.

  • fightinmad

    Rick Santorum tried to defuse the media’s “Wolf Blitzer” constant attempt to change the debate into a 6 grade girls’ argument. But it would not be done. The personal attacks by both Newt and Mitt are getting to be despicable. Both have proven themselves to be liars when push comes to shove. Rick Santorum and Ron Paul for that matter have both held themselves above this immature reaction to the media. What irritates me the most is the Republican machine has declared all out war on Newt. They have chosen Mitt for us and the only way we can shut them down is to get behind one true conservative. So between now and Tuesday the Floridians who want a conservative must chose if it is Newt or Rick. I believe any of our group can beat Barry. We must decide who is man enough to fight clean with issues rather than play the childish game of name calling and lying. I guess that leaves us with Rick Santorum.

  • dp79

    Just when you think you’ve got momentum, the establishment shows they, when they want to be, can be just as organized as a union. “Everybody launch on this guy today,” that’s what we just saw, and Newt was obviously rattled by it all today. He tried to hide it but you could just see that he thought he was out on an island. His moronic statements about a moon colony didn’t help either. Hope he turns it around, I’d vote for Rick too but can’t see him getting that hot.

  • rdcjr

    The case being argued in Georgia has to do with the responsibility of the State of Georgia to verify, on behalf of it’s citizens, the eligibility of those persons on the ballot in their state. By Georgia law, Georgia has the right and the responsibility to make sure that those running are actually eligible for the office they seek. Since his majesty, King Obama, is running for re-election, the state of Georgia , by law, must verify that he meets the requirements for the office he seeks in order to be included on the ballot. One of those requirements is that he be a “natural born citizen”. This is being challenged. By definition and prior Supreme Court rulings he does not meet the requirement. Therefore he is ineligible. This is the law, not kook birther stuff. Nobody is disputing the fact that the King was born here. They ARE disputing that he is a “natural born citizen. It will be interesting to see how the judge ultimately rules. The case was argued yesterday and Obama refused to show even though he was subpoenaed. So Obama’s eligibility was indeed the “case before them.”

  • rdcjr

    Study the case. The supreme court has already ruled that a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born to parents who are BOTH citizens at the time of their childs birth. Simply being born here does not make you a “Natural Born Citizen” according the the Supreme Court itself. Geez. Birther my as………err butt.

  • gawken

    When the subject of space first came up, and Mitt ojected to the cost of putting a colony on the moon, he said that “he’d rather spend the money fixing housing in America.”

    Even if he meant infrastructure, and not housing, I find that comment disturbing…it shows where his mind really is at..

  • rdcjr

    was this for?

  • maus99

    Can’t these reporters ask some pertinent questions? What did they candidates think about the SOTU speech? What do they intend to do about energy? Do they want to DRILL? If they want to cut programs, which ones do they want to cut? Do they think if government departments have money left over in their budget at the end of the year … they should give the money back, instead of giving employees bonuses? ETC There are hundreds of questions that are better than WHY WOULD YOUR WIFE BE A GOOD FIRST LADY? How stupid was that?

  • geoph

    This was reiterated, nearly to the point of ad nausea, at our DebateWatch TParty last night.

    A summary of prevailing opinions include:
    Anti-Mitts will NOT vote for Mitt – regardless

    A “moon colony” ? No, THAT’s not “zany”
    (typed in my best Ricky Ricardo impersonation)
    “Neeeewty, you got some ‘splaining to do!”

    Mrs. Palin will be either “King Maker” or “King”.
    She will not endorse Newt, but continue to support him.
    Consensus being She’s protecting her “cache of capital” until she can
    get a true read on Newt’s viability over the next month. (see above)
    She will only endorse Newt IF/WHEN she determines SHE will not
    run as the “true conservative candidate”. If her “non-endorsement” goes
    into the convention, to be spent on her or elsewhere, so be it.

    Did I mention how set against casting a vote for Mitt, not-Mitts are?

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

    Clearly we’ve failed as a country, then, because according to your standard and your description of Barack Obama, both the Republican and Democratic nominees in 2008 were ineligible to be president.

    Peddle your smut elsewhere. Bye.

  • znjs

    Perry in keeps Newt from gaining much momentum in SC right before the primary, Romeny wins it, and the nomination process is all but over. Granted, Perry dropping out probably only delayed this happening a week, but a messy and potentially damaging week it was.

    I guess to me the more telling thing is that the Perry bump lasted less then a week. I would’ve thought it would’ve been a little more substantial then that.

  • tailfins1959

    Uh, no! It’s looks like we quickly dismiss Ron Paul because your website bullies and censors us into it. I will listen to anyone’s ideas and Ron Paul has produced an audience open to limited government. Some of his supporters might have otherwise been Occupiers. Ron Paul gives conservatives a springboard to win a new generation. They may seem wild-eyed, but I suspect most Paul supporters will eventually grow out of it.
  • tngal

    I had to go with a facepalm on that line. Not sure that Mitt gets the fact that tea partiers rallied everywhere because they were angry. And one of the things they were angry with was O-Care. Its not the sole reason people of like minds came together but it was part of it. While Mitt had a good debate night, that one answer there came off condescending.

    If Santorum wants to get angry, let him. Lord knows he’s bottled himself up enough prior to this debate.

  • Common_Cents

    But the other candidates SUCKED up to CNN and did not support Gingrich’s correct point that the media is only interested in starting petty fights between candidates and making them look bad.

    In past debates, the other candidates did support Newt, but in this one, they caved. Giving the media yet more power to shape the message.

    Sad to see.

  • Juggernaut

    so they are inconsequential due to the dislike as well as Romney lies so often that Newt still has the momentum long term according to a Wallstreet Journal poll. These people are like Romney…….pathetic desparate liars and weak players.

  • Ausonius

    You are right to be disturbed: the loss of desire to be #1 in everything, including outer space, is the hallmark of BIG BRObama.

    His is the Triumph of the Mediocre Man.

    “Fixing housing” according to Romney is more importnat than re-establishing American dominance in outer space?! Spoken like a man with no imagination: we can only hope that private exploration will keep America #1 in outer space.

    Let government fade away into its own mediocrity and dull-mindedness.

    Let us hope we can liberate any of the energetic visionaries left in the country!

  • Common_Cents

    that America is angry about this. And they should be. I was waiting for him to say that in the debate.

    Romney is just ho hum. The guy shows no real genuine passion to pursue any of this, no matter what he says.

  • znjs

    Not sure why it’s been ignored other then the fact that Newt appears to be the only one with a path to defeating Romney. Now that that appears to be less likely, look for after Florida for the idea of voting for RP to become more popular as a way to get to a brokered convention (which will not happen, and would not result in what people calling for it want if it were to happen).

  • Common_Cents

    The extent they are going is alarming.

  • acat

    Ron Paul’s answers on Iran have been both consistent and wrong… not to mention his gold bug and his hypocrisy on earmarks and pork.

    Mew

  • trelane

    This IS classic kook birfer stuff, and you are a birferloon as is Orly Taitz and the others involved in this case.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • jakeofalltrades

    “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

    DICTA!

  • lineholder

    Socialized health care represents a major entitlement program. It doesn’t matter if it is labeled Romneycare or Obamacare…the foundation is based on the exact same model. We’ve all gone into how entitlement programs eat away at our freedoms and destroy our economy to infinitum. And I don’t see any reason why we should consider letting up on that fight now.

    If we don’t fight and keep the pressure on our elected officials who go down this path, good intentions or otherwise, of implementing broad-spectrum social programs for the sake of trying to “fix” things for us, then nothing will ever change and this nation will go the way of Greece!

    I don’t think we should let up on this for a second. If Conservative don’t continue to wage this battle, our nation is lost.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Yes, Newt got booed.

  • bk

    This should have been his approach all along on it. He shouldn’t say he’ll undo ObamaCare because it’s bad – he should say he’ll undo it because it’s unconstitutional. Whether it’s good or not (duh) is irrelevant – the mandate at the federal level is unconstitutional. Period.

  • lapert

    Clearly, not only are you a nutty birther, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you studied the case, do you even know what it is about.

    You are right, it does discuss ‘natural born citizens’ but you are completely wrong if you think it offers any conclusion or precedence. Quite the contrary, since it was immaterial to the case the court explicitly did not rule on whether anyone born within the U.S. meets the definition:

    ” Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

    So sir, you are a fool, and an ignorant one at that.

  • paco12348

    If you’re going to report on a debate at least don’t let your bias show. I watched the debate also. Here’s what you just reported, ” The crowd heckled Blitzer. Gingrich drooled over the moderator he was about to consume. ?Wanna try again,? he asked mischievously.” You made it look like Gingrich was taunting Blitzer. Gingrich actually turned toward Santorum, help his hands out and said TO SANTORUM, “Wanna try again?” That was in response to Santorum saying to GINGRICH, ROMNEY AND BLITZER to (paraphrase here) stop the stupid crappy questions and answers and let have some substance.
    Now, I’ll tell you something I have learned. The Republican Leaders are no better than the Democrat Leaders in the way they try to corral the people to their view of “We know what’s best for you and you’re not smart enough to select the candidate that’s the most ELECTABLE”. The Republicans have been coming out in droves against Gingrich for fear we the “little people” might not have heard their message of “Romney is the only one electable”. We got their message with John McCain and we got Obama. Carl Rove was a little too blatant dissing Christine O’Donnell, was called on it and then lied about it. Carl Rove started pushing Romney before the first debate. Now they are trying to destroy Gingrich.
    It’s time for we, the “little people” stand up and tell the Republican Leaders that seem to believe they channel the Almighty, to shut up and sit down.
    Romney did a great job last night but I will NEVER vote for him simply became my nose is sore from being led around. I’ve lost all respect for the Republican Leaders. Frankly, I think they would rather have Obama reelected than to lose their power over the “little people”.

  • johnt

    his wealth & capitalism, better late,etc? Big roll of the dice there, a real stand up guy, must have been some telling focus groups.

  • renl57

    “The fix that was in from the beginning will hold fast and we?re stuck.”

    There was never any “fix in”.

    Nobody conspired with Daniels, Thune, Christie, Palin, Rubio and Ryan (all excellent possibilities) to stop them from running for President.

    It’s THEIR fault for calling this “the most crucial election in U.S. history”–and then scuttling away from it. For this “most crucial election,” they just couldn’t be bothered with it.

    So the only candidates who seemed experienced and actually stable were Romney and Pawlenty and Perry. Two of whom have now quit, leaving–whom?

    If even one or two of the above Republicans I mentioned would have chosen to run, nobody would be bothering with Gingrich. (Nobody did bother with Gingrich, back when everyone was confident that Perry or Pawlenty would be the main alternatives to Romney.)

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Mitt was a sleaze.

    Rick was actually quite good. If only his record didn’t betray his campaign rhetoric.

    Newt & Mitt were so bad Ron Paul actually looked reasonable.

    I need another drink.

  • acat

    While they agreed that one definition is “born here of two citizens”, the Supremes did not rule out other definitions, including “born here of non-citizens”.

    This Georgia lawsuit will force the Supremes to be a little more clear .. and I’m sure they’ll get around to it.

    Right after the 2012 election.

    Mew

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    On the one hand he says he knows nothing about his investments. “Blind Trust”. On the other hand, he says he won’t apologize for all the money he’s made, what a great businessman he is, and all the jobs he’s created.

    So, either he’s responsible or he isn’t. He wants his cake & eat it too. When Reagan talked about the 2nd oldest profession being like the 1st, he was talking about people like Mitt Romney.

  • Bill S

    Unable to navigate a browser window. Check.

    Banned. Check.

  • bk

    I think it’s all kind of silly, but the birthers will say it makes their case. (emphasis mine)

    “It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words ‘all children’ are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as ‘all persons,’ and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.”

    And then in the part paragraph you quoted, there is (emphasis mine): “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

    It all gets very confusing in that decision – maybe because IANAL – but another paragraph seems to indicate only the father’s citizenship matters, etc. You can argue almost anything by pulling out the right sentences.

  • goodgovernance

    really should consider voting for Newt next week, if they want this race to keep going. Santorum could go on then to win in some of the industrial states.

    But if Romney wins, it’s game over and lights out for everybody, regardless of how long they stay in the race.

  • Whacker77

    Last night was the last hope we had, as a party, to avoid getting stuck with Mitt Romney. Unfortunately, Newt fell down on the job and showed why he was never really a credible national candidate. Still, I wanted to see Newt win in Florida because I had convinced myself that would scare a new candidate into the race. That dream is dead now.

    We’re going to nominate Mitt Romney and I just can’t believe it either. Mitt seems like a fine person and I suspect he’d do a reasonable job as president, but he’s going to lose in the Fall. It will be a close race, but he’ll lose none the less. Mitt’s got too many former comments and positions he just can’t get past. In short, Obama will eat him alive.

    Obama is the most beatable incumbant since Hoover, but we’ve managed to find our own modern day version of Alf Landon. Landon was a moderate who lost 46 states to 2 states in 1932. Romney won’t get blown out, I don’t think, but we’ll have thrown away a golden opportunity to win the presidency and roll back government.

    If this does happen, be sure and keep a list of the names of candidates who left us hanging in 2012 by not running. Remind yourselves in 2016 of the carnage they produced by not running when they pop up promising to lead Republicans out of desert and into the promised land. Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, and others should have no part in the 2016 process since they left us with this sorry state of affairs.

  • synergist777

    …as the Obamacare debate has virtually nothing to do with healthcare, and everything to do with stretching the interpretation of the commerce clause as giving almost unlimited power by the federal government, and making the states irrelevant.

    You can’t have states’ rights only when you personally approve of what they’re doing. Between stretching the commerce clause, and using funding as blackmail, the federal government has been eroding states’ rights for decades. And THAT’S what Romneycare vs. Obamacare is all about; the federal government trying to take over what is the properly within the power of states. If you want to limit states ability to regulate health care, that’s what Constitutional amendments are for. If you (referring to the lefties reading this) want the federal government to regulate health care, well, that’s what Constitutional amendments are for.

  • nativetexan41

    got Republicans fired up in the 2010 election, in my opinion I don’t see them doing that for Romney. Believe me I don’t want a second Obama term. My point about Romney is that he is too much of a moderate to liberal and will social,fiscal conservstives come out and support him if he is the nominee. I will be voting for the Republican nominee , been a lifelong Republican , will not be enthused except for defeating Obama.

  • papabear

    We will soon find out if Santorum is a man of principles. I have hopes (and doubts) …

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    Seriously, you’re suggesting that Jason Chaffetz is pond scum?

    Go here see for yourself… what Heritage Action says about Chaffetz

    http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/index.html

    This seems a little overboard… Newt called this down on himself, it was his idea… “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”…

    RC Hammond chased him away quite effectively, albeit in a rude and pompous way…

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • synergist777

    For those who think this is just legal nitpicking, let me point out that the right of states to regulate healthcare is the same as the right of states to regulate things like abortion and marriage, both of which are in extreme danger of federal takeover.

  • cark

    Ron Paul has a hard time communicating and explaining his positions. He is not able to give1 minute explanations of complex issues, which is almost essential in todays politics.

    But people should be listening to Dr. Paul has a genius level IQ and has devoted his life to understanding monetary policy. He has made prediction after prediction that have been proven right. After reading his book, I have no doubt he understands this subject and that of the destructive powers of our federal reserve better than the other 3 candidates combined.

    Sure people might be leery of his foreign policy, but the biggest threat to our country is economic, and nobody is better on these issue or on adherence to the spirit of the Constitution.

  • Bill S

    Ron Paul boosters need not apply here.

    Bye bye.

  • http://www.political-woman.com politicalwoman

    Instead of giving the candidates a chance to reinforce where they stood on key issues of the day, we’re asked about First Ladies, then income tax returns and stock. Mind-numbing to the audience and the debate participants.

  • celador2

    I was surprised in a pleasant way at the scope from pre debate coverage with Erin and the Paul supportes on the Fed Res shortcomings , John King clarifying Newt did not provide friends to refute Mariane. to the lively panel discussion after the debate. The panel did not trash and do hits on anyone as the Fox panels do. In other words I did not have the feeling the fix was in or the deck was stacked.

    Every man on that stage did well overall. Every single one of them had moments that kept them alive for another day. No one goofed or gaffed. In fact Ron Paul and Rick Santorum will continue to work at caucuses for delegates ahead. Paul made some rock solid points some of which the others picked up and amplified. The need for trade abroad to win and hold friends was one major point I liked. (Cato is a strong proponent iof this policy and practice) But, it was Rick Santorum who soared highest. He grows stronger by the minute.

    I thought to myself this may be the fairest debate they in media have had all season.
    Wolf is seasoned as he showed last night. And he asked questions that worked with the candidates views and plans not against them for the most part. He did call out Newt on a ‘say it to his face’ ad as EE notes, That is standard practice in these debates and Newt should not have tried to deflect the negative ad question . It worked in SC however. To their credit the audience was involved but not a goon squad for any one man.

    Now, in February with fewer or no media debates candidates will have to rely on their strengths and connect to the voters the traditonal ways through ground orgs, small gatherings, speeches that they control, ads, mailings, TV, press intervew and all that.

    I have no idea which one won, but these are my positive overall impressions.
    The night is still young!

  • edintexas

    I read on Yahoo News this AM that Santorum says he is going home. The article states that he says he can’t afford to keep up with the frontrunners in the contest in FL.

    But the article also stated that Santorum is staying in the race. ???

  • macbookben

    …just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming, swimming…..

  • mikeymike143

    The website for ?Campaign for Liberty?, an organization started by ?Republican? anti-Israel Presidential candidate Ron Paul, has, since late 2008, been featuring a page offering the opportunity to purchase the notorious forged anti-Semitic book The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

    As word spreads of this, inevitably Paul?s campaign will take down the page and claim the situation was a mere innocent mistake with which Paul (who of course hopes to lend his managerial skills to the entire nation) had nothing to do, a la the controversy over his newsletters in the 1990s. This of course despite the fact that the page with the link has now been up for over three years.

    to read entire story: http://www.examiner.com/ny-in-new-york/ron-paul-website-has-been-offering-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion-for-3-yrs

  • unclefred

    Rather than asking Newt obvious no win questions Blitzer prevented questions that were good for Newt from getting to him or refocused the question to Newt.

    Note how effectively Blitzer controlled the amount of time for the audience to respond varying it based on who was benefitting. He managed to take the crowd out of Newt’s game, while magnifying it for others on stage.

    I think we were seeing what is to come in the debates with Obama. A much less obvious demonstration of media bias than we saw in the previous debates, and yet very effective in controlling the outcome.

    Santorum looked good because he was given the opportunity to look good, and positive crowd reaction was not moderated away. – That is not to say he did not have a good night he did, but its impact was magnified by how his and the others time and crowd reaction was moderated. This also applies to the way questions were ordered and the order that candidates were asked or excluded.

    None of the candidates were prepared for this. Since Newt “needed” this more than the others he suffered the most. This was clearly CNN’s goal.

    Reading the various blogs and pundits on the debate it seems clear that the majority of watchers. missed what was happening. Unfortunately, that means that this method of moderation, left unaddressed by the candidates, will allow the moderator to control who wins.

    Much as I despise Blitzer, I have to give him his due. He won the debate and pretty much set the apparent order of finish.

  • remalimo

    “I am with the government and I am here to help you”.

  • benko

    ..

  • DaveWT4

    From the article:

    ‘ “Santorum and [his opponent] would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits,” The Morning Call (Pa.) reported in 1994. ‘

    That sounds more like he wanted individuals to directly purchase insurance plans rather than get them through their employer. This is a great idea and would remove a lot of the market distortion that comes from not directly paying for your policy.

    Wasn’t employer-provided health insurance a leftover from the Roosevelt price and wage control days? I seem to remember reading somewhere that companies started giving out benefits like paid vacation, health, and pension plans as a way to compete since they were barred from paying higher salaries.

  • clintonformccain

    Newt Gingrich nailed to a cross.

    One thing’s for sure. He would still be pontificating.

  • carolynr

    and I’m not a Santorum fan. Santorum …to use your words…ate Romney on his Romneycare and his mandate…in fact, he had Gingrich as an appetizer!

  • http://www.RightonMainSt.com Mike Merrill

    Wolf waited until 1 hour and 53 minutes into the debate to ask anything that remotely related to Obama?on the very last question of the night. I’m in FL, and I’m here to tell you, Florida voters aren’t concerned about NASA or Puerto Rico or Palestine?we’re concerned about the debt & the economy & jobs. Like all liberal moderator, Wolf steered clear of any topic uncomfortable to Obama.

    Next month’s CNN Debate will be moderated by Jane Fonda & Rosie O’Donnell, with questions about transgender healthcare, gay contraception, endangered status for the Dung Beetle and Guam statehood.

  • clowngirl

    people on the Newt campaign accused Romney’s camp of packing the debate with their supporters.

    Wouldn’t surprise me and it wouldn’t be hard to do. The Florida GOP controlled who go 900 of the 1200 seats — and says they were careful to make sure almost all of them were genuinely undecided. All Romney would have to do is send a bunch of his supporters instructing them to pretend to be undecided.

    It didn’t play like a crowd of undecided (based on the early big applause for Romney for things like introducing himself — it played like a crowd of committed supporters)

    Packing an audience seems like the kind of thing Romney would do. He probably figures Newt got big applause at the South Carolina debate was deemed the winner and got positive press for it – wins South Carolina by a landslide.

    He doesn’t get that the applause came because Newt was saying compelling truths — just figures he can manufacture it and get the same results.

  • Common_Cents

    Santorum should actually pull out and endorse Newt like Perry did. That was impressive by Perry, not being bitter and seeing the big picture.

    However I have my doubts about Santorum not feeling entitled. He seems like a real likable personable guy but has that whiny side.

    Same goes for Ron Paul. If he saw the big picture of the establishment targeting the tea party and the tea party being on the brink of extinction he should push his support towards gingrich. There are a certain 10-20% of engaged Paul supporters that would be a big help. The rest would go back to frat parties and 420 barista’s.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    life is choosing between bad choices since Eve bit the apple and until Jesus returns (My mature conservative ethos)…just saying

  • levtannen

    OK. It looks like we will have Mr.Romney as the hominy and Mr. Obama as the president. And you should blame nobody for this, but your-self. Instead of looking for who is best in expressing the conservative values, who has best conservative records, who has best chances to beat Obama, you spent months digging for the dirt, trying to prove why the opponent of your favorite conservative is worst of the worst and should not be a hominy. Instead talking about issues as Newt insisted, you talked about character. You allowed Mr. Romney to sink Mr.Gingrich in tons of dirty adds. You watched with curiosity if Mr.Gingrich will be able to survive. Nobody cried foul. Nobody said that it is immoral to substitute a real debate about real issues with flood of mud. You dreamed about an ideal candidate and lost a chance to elect a reasonable candidate and to save the country. Very sad.
    But may be it is not too late. May be, just may be if all conservatives start remembering all good that Mr.Gingrich have done for the Republican party, the conservative movement and the country as whole, if they try to communicate this to all their not so conservative friends, may be the tide can be turned back. Please try.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I hate those freaking Ronulans!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • jakeofalltrades

    Until then, as you might say, we dwell between Scylla and Charybdis.

  • clintonformccain

    So the only candidates who seemed experienced and actually stable were Romney and Pawlenty and Perry. Two of whom have now quit, leaving?whom?

    Yep. That’s pretty much the way I see it. Whether you were for or against any of them, those were the three credible candidates in the race. All the others were either unqualified, unstable, or carried too much baggage to be a serious contender.

    Perry was unprepared to run. He failed to understand how hard it would be to overcome the “GW Bush” thing — as in, “oh no, not another hick sounding Texas governor….” The fact that he was totally unprepared for in-state tuition being a hot button issue shows how woefully unprepared he was for national Republican politics.

    Pawlenty simply didn’t ignite any enthusiasm.

  • carolynr

    Even that snit Romney used some of his lines last night in the debate to “appear” Conservative. Rick Perry had the right ideas and the right solutions. His problem at that time was communication, most of which was due to too many cooks in the kitchen and his back problem.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    - 5 –
    on this point.

    I don’t blame any one particular person, activist, candidate, but that is EXACTLY what has happened. It’s been a circular firing squad.

    We wasted time on un-electable non-starters and wasted time tearing down credible candidates. Now, none of them can stand up to Obama very well.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Were you not listening?

  • clowngirl

    Romney looked very flustered when Rick was hitting him on Romneycare and he looked the best on the “who would make the best FLOTUS question”

    Newt was obviously on defense and Romney and Ron Paul used it to contrast their marriage to Newt’s – so it played as a hit rather than a heartfelt appreciation of their wives. Rick Santorum just used the question to honor and appreciate his wife and he was as likeable as I’ve ever seen him.

    Didn’t care for his strategy of trying to lump Newt and Mitt together on Romneycare (and Newt was right to call him on it) and constantly bringing up Newt’s prior support of the individual mandate is getting old.

  • znjs

    Newt can’t be expected to survive if his past is dug up and he’s attacked negatively by a large ad campaign.

    Newt is the best chance to beat Obama.

    Wanna rethink that?

  • romeg

    For those Debate Lessons.

    They seem to have paid off for Mitt.

    And ditto for Wolf Blitzer.

  • In The Hook

    Especially as it pertains to Perry and Pawlenty. A huge number of people in the last go around played up executive experience and why it was absolutely crucial. That doesn’t change here in ’12.

    Perry was not ready in large part because he was dragged into this race. That was a shame. Pawlenty WAS ready but ran a terrible campaign. Huntsman ran to the left of his own record for some reason and did nothing but deliver snarky lines aimed at the base.

    Couple that with big guns like Daniels and Jindal refusing to run and a guy like McDonnell not ready to be a presidential candidate (oh please be the VP pick!) and that’s why we are where we are.

  • scottishjew

    1. Newt needs to direct that same energy he does at silly journalists at Romney. Instead, he just sat there yesterday and nodded his head. Santorum looked at Romney and said “Stop it!”. And that is what Newt needs to do. Look directly at him and scold him like a child. For example, Romney got caught and embarrassed with that “Oh, that is my ad?” nonsense. Newt should have pounced. “That’s your ad, Mitt? Didnt you approve it? Didnt you listen to it? You let others release attack ads that you havent listened to? What type of president will you be? Take responsibility for your ads?” Instead, he did nothing.

    2. I am amazed that Newt does not also hammer on healthcare. Newt could have pointed out that the unemployed lady in the audience would be forced to pay for healthcare under the mandate under Romneycare.

    3. Coulter and crowd attacking Newt. Who’s part of a mob now, Ann?

    4. Perhaps, those of us in the tea party should run a third party candidate. It seems like we are not very appreciated in the Republican Party. Boehner and McConnell have given Obama carte blanche on debt spending. Will it hurt Republicans? In the short term. But it really is the only way to make Republicans not take it’s base for granted.

    5. I’ll vote for Newt or Rick. I will never vote for Romney. Im tired of holding my nose.

  • romeg

    Was the best match up of Candidates and Moderator thus far.

    Newt has a lot of work to do between now and Tuesday at 8:00 PM

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    It’s funny that Santorum mentioned this post-debate …

    “Dont confuse anger with passion”

    We who are vehemently opposed to obamacare are not ‘angry’, we are passionate and concerned.

    Santorum did win the debate.
    But I also noticed something that Santorum could change to improve how he performs. he looks down a lot. Being able to look into the camera would change the perception of him a lot.

  • carolynr

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Limbaugh-Reagan-Gingrich-Romney/2012/01/26/id/425666?PROMO_CODE=E06F-1

    This is Michael Reagan…?It surprises me that Mitt Romney and his supporters would raise this issue ? when Mitt by his own admission voted for Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale who opposed my father, and later supported liberal Democrat Paul Tsongas for president.”

    Now….WILLARD SUPPORTERS…HAVE WE A CLOSET SOCIALIST TRYING TO RUN A POTUS?

    I googled this and it shows up on several sites. If this is true..my contention that there is NO DAYLIGHT between Romney and Obama is true. Carter was the precursor to Obama…If we vote for Romney…who has been lying in the debates…why are we electing him???????????????

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “might say Santorum won but nothing he says now jives with his big government voting record”

    Santorum’s voting record is conservative, and his campaign agenda now is consistent and conservative.

    http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/01/06/rick-santorum-yes-he-is-a-true-conservative/

    I like his healthcare proposals, his support for cut cap and balance, and the fact that he was never for TARP, AGW nonsense and is not supportive of amnesty for illegal aliens. His is more consistently conservative than Newt or Romney.

  • clowngirl

    only 7% said McCain won. But McCain won easily when it came time to vote.

    Obviously, these little text polls weren’t scientific (and were routinely gamed by Ron Paul supporters) but I also seem to remember the media being in agreement that Romney had won handily and 41% to 7% is a pretty marked gap.

    They went into that debate generally statistically tied. Some polls had Romney ahead.

    Romney was overwhelmingly thought to have won the debate.

    Then he lost by a decent margin and was soon out of the race.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    It’s a total and absolute nothing-burger that Romney owned some Fannie stock.

    Heck, I owned some Lehman stock. Does that make me responsible for wall street decline or somene who did anything wrong? No. Actually, I was hurt by it, losing that investment.

    It was a mistake to try to counter’s Mitt’s attacks with a bogus attack of his own.

  • clowngirl

    Aside from it being nice of him to employ the coach of someone who was of such assistance during her campaign…

    Bachman was widely given props for her effectiveness in attacking Newt in the debates — but she herself came in last place.

    Perhaps this type of attack dog style doesn’t really inspire confidence.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    you are probably correct.

    In which case, the 2012 race had the same arc as the 2008 race:
    - moderate media-establishment-supported guy gets challenged by
    - Iowa-winning social conservative
    - a guy running as the ‘more conservative’ alternative, but he apparently has spots (maybe he’s not that conservative? maybe he cant win? etc)

    McCain -> Romney
    Huckabee -> Santorum
    Romney -> Newt
    If it goes along these lines, then Newt will withdraw in early Feb and endorse … Romney. Santorum will hang in there until March super-tuesday and then hang it up.

    The other option is that Santorum surges so well, he effectively co-opts Newt and becomes the not-Romney. That might make a different ballgame because santorum wont have a lot of the baggage that holds Gingrich back.

  • Common_Cents

    Not newt.

    Plus the audience does yell NEWWWWWWWT which sounds like boos.

  • bzip

    Miss Me Yet

  • Common_Cents

    in a general.

    This is a replay of the media treating McCain as the maverick, giving him positives in the primary. Then turning on him in the general.

    McCain went down easy so the long knives didn’t have to come out.

    Romney will fight a bit more so the media will be on full attack mode on many points they gave him passes on in the primary.

    It’s so obvious.

  • carolynr

    This looks like this is a Hollywood movie. People don’t tell the truth and the moderator let’s it go by. We are talking about subjects that nobody gives a flip about and has nothing to do with national discussion.

    Romney has repeatedly lied in the debates and…I will never forget this one, putting his hand on Governor Perry. God Guys…we are being played…played big time…by the media…who is in the tank for Romney and by Romney…who misquotes and misleads

    All of the candidates will let the pigs feed at the trough. The point is…which one will let them eat less?

    Here’s one for Newt…forget the Moon Newt…charge those scientists with (1) addressing global warming/climate change (2) can man change it (3) is this a scam and if it is not, then how do we fix it without hurting capitalism. My first question to the scientists would be…how did the dinosaurs become extinct? If it were due to climate change…then I guess we have no control over it…seeing how man was not around to our knowledge.

    I know..you think that I am out of my mind…but “task” these people, these minds with problems that we are facing and let them give us solutions….AND DO AWAY WITH THE GD EPA. How can we use energy more efficiently, etc. Right now “space” would be confined to the USA…and we would be the leader in innovations concerning energy that these scientists would provide.

    Get a group of economists together that give us a way up and out of this mess AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED INSIDER TRADING. I know…I am shouting…sorry.

    This campaign and the debates have been horrible. They are misleading and they are all about the “Hollywood” impression. Sick…sick…sick. I want solutions. We’re out of time.

    This entire Congress should be let go, less the Conservative members…and that little PITA Chavetz who has been heckling Gringrich FOR ROMNEY…should be GONE. He should be in Congress, voting on bills…not PIMPING for Romney and a position in his administration. Can you see the pigs now….they all feed at the trough for their benefit…NOT OURS.

    End of Rant.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    We have had abysmal debates, like the ABC fiasco in New Hampshire; bad debate moderation, like the over-the-top liberal questions on Monday night…

    and then we’ve had the more nuanced but still stage-managed moderation of Wolf Blitzer.

    “better”? Yes. I watched only 2nd half and heard great answers to some straight-but-serious questions like on faith and governing.

    But seriously, we are talking low standard here: Which liberal MSM host is the least bad? Blitzer incited infighting, fought with a candidate, and steered questions and answers in a non-conservative way.

  • acat

    because if we have Romney at the top of the ticket, we need both to push him in the white house door – he’s better than Obama – and give him a tea-steeped Senate to keep him in line!

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    … in a debate with Obama.

    Or will they ask:

    “How would you describe how your pastor influenced your thinking?”

    These would be setup jobs for exposing Obama’s scandals.

    Asking about wives is a setup job to remind voters there is a candidate on wife #3.

  • Common_Cents

    It was to Santorum for help in calling out the stupid Blitz egging on personal fighting.

    This time Santorum and Romney turned on Gingrich and SUCKED up to CNN and left Gingrich hanging in the wind.

    Pathetic.

  • snowshooze

    And it was critical that Newt come out solid and bulletproof at this point.
    These voters are not the political junkies that we are. They have not, by and large, paid much attention to the foundation of issues and fretted over every detail.
    No, the larger percentage at this point is the game show crowd.
    Possibly I am wrong, but it appears to me that Newt couldn’t even budge the applause meter last night.
    Romney was at his best.
    Santorum came off stronger than I have ever seen him, and Ron was charming and funny. The loon meter barely registered for him.
    Newt is in serious trouble just because he picked the worst possible time to be off his game.
    Where I may be wrong in this is we are talking about Primary voters. This is a cut above the General election voters, and they MAY be a bit better informed, however, pointing to South Carolina and the swiftness of the Newt turnaround there… I don’t believe this is a great factor.
    So I think Romney is going to take it.
    And, I think Santorum is going to make his biggest splash thus far.
    Let’s hope I am wrong.

  • Common_Cents

    and getting other candidates to do his bidding against Gingrich.

    Nobody on stage has gingrich’s back. They’ll regret it when the media comes for them.

  • entropy

    First of all, it helps if you can correctly spell. It’s Karl Rove, not Carl.

    More importantly, you are delusional if you think a republican could have won the 2008 election against Obama. Given Bush’s 30% approval ratings and the collapse of the financial markets, no republican was going to win that year. McCain was bound to lose; it had nothing to do with his supposed “moderate” ideology.

    Rove was right to attack O’Donnell, who was utterly unqualified to be a U.S. Senator. Due to her and angle, we basically threw away a few senate seats. I’m all for conservative candidates, but i want a conservative who is also smart, articulate, and competent. Unfortunately, O’Donnell did not fit that bill.

    There are many flaws to Romney. But a lot of the conservative critique of him is disingenuous. First, many of these critics praised Romney as the bona fide conservative candidate back in 2008. Rush Limbaugh praised Romney as the only person who can unify the Republican Party. Eric Erickson himself praised Romney back then as well. And let’s not forget that Romney’s healthcare plan, which is currently the object of attack, was passed in 2006. Yet, it did not bother conservatives back in 2008 when he was running. Were they simply not aware of the plan? Or did they not care? The concept of an individual mandate was originally a conservative solution proposed by the Heritage Foundation. Romneycare only became an issue once Obama incorporated elements into his plan.

    And finally, Newt supporters are delusional if they think he can beat Obama. Newt is erratic, undisciplined, and egomaniacal. He has a 1000 ideas and maybe a few of them are solid. Newt won South Carolina because he attacked the moderators, which is entertaining to watch, but it’s not how you convince the country to vote for you as commander-in-chief. His act is old and tired. If Newt is the nominee, republicans will suffer their worst defeat in a presidential election since 1964. And the impact on congressional and state races will be equally devastating, resulting in an unconstrained Obama second term.

  • geoph

    I was kind of surprised at the “I’ll not vote the top of the ticket” sentiment.
    I knew the TEA Party was ticked at the GOP proper, but of the 35 of us gathered – only 8 were still considering plugging their nose and pulling the lever for Romney.
    Take our little sample group for whatever you want – but it appears Mitt could be anyone; he just happens to wear the establishment suit this go round. Boehner is vying for Re-”public”-an enemy #1 with Rove, and the disgust at Cons being lumped in with Mods & RINOs was great. (the recently House passed debt ceiling protest was a particularly sharp thorn)
    This may very well be the hill worth dying on.

    The Palin angle brought up caught me by surprise, but the more they talked about it – it sorta began to make some sense.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “Rick was actually quite good. If only his record didn?t betray his campaign rhetoric.”

    It doesnt. Rick’s positions in his campaign are the same as how he voted. He’s not like Mitt. You need to get out of your PerryState mode and realize that of the four flawed candidates running, the most consistent conservative in the bunch is Rick Santorum.

    http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/01/06/rick-santorum-yes-he-is-a-true-conservative/

  • WillWong

    and you proposed that Romney reinvent himself in 9 months to become a fighter?

    Does a person whose entire life is defined as a fighter loses his fighting instinct in one bad debate? Does a milquetoast becomes a fighter after one good debate?

    Somehow, unless we see a third coming of Newt Gingrich, we are toast!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    And Obama is running a replay of the 1948 Truman campaign.

    It will be a squeaker.

  • Common_Cents

    It’s freakin unreal. The media bashes Newt for being mean and angry and unstable, then they turn around and bash him for being more subdued.

    Then moments like last night where Newt is more subtle. The media bashes him for not being aggressive! I heard it 50 times. They reward Romney for being aggressive and wonder why Newt didn’t go toe to toe.

  • gipper823

    were designed with an anti-Newt slant.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • snowshooze

    And Newt failed to point it out. ( Recall Obama’s directive to them….)And he missed the shot at Romney… 27% increase in insurance rates IS worth getting mad about, as is a 45 day wait for a non-emergency Doctors appointment.
    I would like to know how much Romneycare actually burdens the Federal programs as well, I’d be willing to bet we are ALL paying into it.
    Pretty disappointing, really.

  • For Newt Or Mitt

    Yeah. About like I miss Donald Trump.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    we kept trying to come up with a good ‘not-Romney’ and we keep rolling snake eyes.

    Yes, we are being played, but a strong, credible, electable conservative is what we want and we have candidates who are at best 2 for 4 on these characteristics.

    Without a good enough ‘not-Romney’ , the attempt to stop Romney is doomed.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m not debating this. This site is not here for non-Republicans to butt in. You want to discuss issues respectfully? Fine. But Clinton “Independents” don’t have a role in conservative Republicans making decisions.

  • guest1776

    Oddly enough the GOP establishment supported Bush and weren’t saying the kind of things about him as they are Newt. Weird how that works.

    Bush wants lunar stepping stone to Mars – January 9, 2004

    President Bush will announce a bold plan next week to establish a permanent base on the moon with an eventual goal of sending a manned mission to Mars, senior administration officials said last night.

    Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks, including the Columbia disaster that killed seven astronauts last February and financial problems dogging the International Space Station.

    The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush?s announcement would come in the middle of next week. They would not say when a moonshot would take place, but one said it could be soon. A
    mission to Mars would not happen before 2014, officials said. Experts have placed 2018 as an ideal time, based on the positioning of the planets.

    Then again we’re talking about a Republican establishment that is saying Romney is more conservative than Newt. Talk about being out of touch with reality. Perhaps they and Romney are worried Newt wants to attack the incoming aliens from planet Kolob when they return? http://tinyurl.com/843zon4

    EX CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER ON BUSHES MOON BASE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ElRr5NIIgU

    Oddly enough its the GOP establishment that is living in outer space by believing the Republican nominee don’t need to motivate the base because the Democrat will because it worked so well for Dole and McCain.

    Dole doesn’t even get the joke about the empty bucket ie Bob Dole’s chances of winning the Presidency are like a man standing in a bucket trying to pick himself up by the handle. :)

  • formotioncreative

    I would love to know with whom he plans to align. He really went on the Romney attack better than I’ve ever seen last night, but I’ve feared he is leaning toward the moderate yet powerful establishment. Last night was the first time I doubted this. I imaging someone here has some solid insight into this question. Please share.

  • usedtobelib

    “Unscathed”? Are you kidding? How can you say that anyone other than Paul has “walk[ed]” out of this unscathed.” The attacks on Bain alone were the beginning of the GOP death march.

    There is a tiny glimmer of hope–that I see more of the angry, fighting back Romney, the guy with a success story to tell.

    It doesn’t help that we’ve so many in this country who feel work is anathema and so many of a certain ilk who bear Mormons ill will…and no, I am not a Mormon.

    There is however, an ugly undercurrent of what winds up being class envy in many evangelicals’ attitudes toward Mormons.
    Check out the socioeconomic status of the two for some of that envy.

    Mormons are historically successful in school and business, high achievers. Many evangelicals not so much.

  • usedtobelib

    ticket would be great.

  • usedtobelib

    good post.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    No, Rick Santorum is not a true conservative. Go troll somewhere else.

  • usedtobelib

    see who comes up with the first intelligible answer in English.

  • littlehouse18

    when he pointed out that our rights come to us from God and not the government. He was the only one to make that argument.

  • clintonformccain

    until the primary in our state comes around.

    On primary day in Massachusetts, I’ll take a Republican ballot and pick a candidate. I don’t really care for any of the candidates. It’s a stunningly weak field. In my opinion, the Republican Party is in desperate need of some leadership stepping forward that can bridge the gap between the populist anger of the tea party movement and the traditional party factions. None of this year’s Presidential candidates has provided than kind of leadership. Part of the problem is that all of the Bush administration players are on the sidelines, so there’s a bit of leadership vacuum. Couple that with the fact that the “next generation” is just not ready and you end up with a weak field.

  • clowngirl

    Surely there were uninformed voters then too.

    I don’t agree about Romney being at his best. He made a lot of big mistakes that aren’t getting much attention.

    To list 3:

    1. Nodding in cocky agreement when Newt said comparing his investments to Romney’s is like “comparing a mouse to an elephant” that would play beautifully spliced with other comments (like “I like firing people.” “for the economy to grow, a lot of people have to suffer” etc.) in their various class warfare related attacks.

    2. Saying he hadn’t seen an attack ad run by his official campaign that smeared Gingrich was as ridiculous as Ron Paul saying he didn’t know what was published in his own newsletters.

    3. Talking about building a hospital for veterans who have to currently go out of state to receive medical care as if that were some kind of extravagant promise.

    Romney makes mistakes ALL THE TIME and it just never gets emphasized. With Newt or Perry any gaffe is played to the hilt.

    I would expect that much of the media would spin anything other than absolute, undeniable dominance by Newt as a big Newt loss and Romney win. They didn’t disappoint.

    The winning Non-Romney outperformed most of their poll numbers significantly in both Iowa and South Carolina.

    In SC, Newt won with 40.4% of the vote — almost a full 7 points higher than his 33.5 RCP average.

    In IA, Santorum outperformed his polling average by over 12%

    For all his vaunted organization, Romney doesn’t seem to get that great of turn out.

    In NH, Romney finished 1.5 points ahead of his final polling average — but 2-5 points below where he was polling just 2 days to a week before the vote.

    So, even in his stronghold Romney lost support near the end.

    Florida doesn’t vote till Tuesday. I’d say the trends favor Gingrich.

  • cbartlett

    have rolled in the mud with the pig. The media attack on him was obvious (starting with the Drudge barrage all week) but he fell for it. Blitzer acted like a class-A jerk. I disagree with Erick (is it bias? I don’t know) – this was one of the worst. And I don’t care which candidate looked good or bad or stupid. The moderator was an idiot and asked stupid questions. He kept asking about what their ads were saying about each other. I don’t know if they are only being shown in Florida or not but we aren’t seeing any of these ads in Texas and don’t know and don’t care about they mud they are slinging. Please ask questions about the issues – not about what they are saying about each other. All we accomplished last night was giving the Democrats video clips to use in ads in the fall – no matter who ends up as our nominee. We’re just s-l-o-w-l-y handing this election over to Obama. Sigh.

  • soljerblue

    Can’t stand him…but after his performance last night I’m willing to cut him some slack. He threw Newt off his game pretty effectively, and I’m not sure it either won or last either man many votes. Santorum was the adult in the room the entire night, in my view. I wish he had better prospects.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Consider this …
    “The Fed?s money printing is destroying the middle class. There is no doubt about that.”

    Really, since 1913 the Fed has been destroying the middle class, but somehow our standard of living quintupled and more?

    They are money printing … and yet inflation manages to be sub 3% in recent years, with home prices still deflating.

    Ron Paul is a doctor, not an economist, and whatever views he espouses are not true economics but a cartoon view of the Fed and monetary policy. he fails to acknowledge that inflation robs creditors but HELPS debtors, that the Fed is based on policy, that their meeting minutes ARE open and public now, and their books are as well. The Fed actually did more to get us through our current recession than anyone with their easing policy.

    Unfortunately, if you want a serious and mature fiscal and economic policy, you’d need serious and mature candidates or policy wonks. A Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, John Kasich debate would be a far different and better debate than one with Ron Paul spouting stuff that sounds good but is actually, at least wrt the Fed, mostly bunk.

  • littlehouse18

    It was cool at first, but now it’s old and shows a weakness.

  • AndrewHyman

    Erick, what the heck is that amazing-looking background behind your head on CNN. Is it the Redstate Internet spellbinding contraption?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    You are the troll in this discussion. Its a typical Ronbot troll attack to take out everybody else as ‘not a true conservative’ because they werent ‘perfect’. It’s false and has been debunked.

    Santorum did more than Ron Paul to defend 2nd amendment, taking on the ambulance-chasers wanting to shut down the gun industry.

    He’s got the most free-market-oriented solution on healthcare and entitlement reform.

    He opposed TARP and cap-n-trade at a time when both Newt and Mitt were for it.

    He supported conservative Doug Hoffman when Newt was for RINO Dede Scozzafava.

    He’s for cut,cap and a balance and cutting spending and getting to balanced budget amendment.

    Stop being a Ronbot troll.

  • snowshooze

    As Romney is the definition of uninspiring.
    I don’t think there is another debate between now and Primary day… so I think it is all up to TV wars and ground work.
    I hear Newt is actually fairly good at the ground work..
    But, as I say… I can’t call it with any confidence.
    Romney gave us his best example of showmanship last night.
    Nobody called his cards. Well… not entirely true, but he got a pass. On a lot.
    My sales department is claiming he pulled it.
    My operations department isn’t buying it.

  • snowshooze

    He does it all the time, on a direct question… he immediately tries to turn any subject that is not in his favor.
    But, he is a rank amature in that, compared to Newt.
    Newt does it with style.

  • aesthete

    You haven’t been around here very long, have you?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If I catch you badmouthing any of our guys again I will ban you.

    Are we clear?

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    and from the get go that worked against Gingrich. The funny thing is, I am left not with Newts mistakes, but with Romney telling me there is nothing to get angry about when it comes to Obamney Care. I think this is the very reason that I quickly decided that I could no longer support Romney, and even though Newt is likely to lose, he will lose in a way that at least advances conservatism much in the way Goldwater did.

    I simply cannot stand the way the establishment of this party treats the voters they expect to place them into power positions. If only the voters were able to see what is going on here. It sickens me, and I am pretty sure it sickens many others.

  • writescribe

    but apparently, if you believe the polling numbers, even the voters of the state of Texas don’t miss him. He’s polling lower than Obama in his own state. His reputation took a real hit with this failed presidential run.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    no-text

  • clowngirl

    from Wolfe Blitzer and Newt also as he seems to be trying to be positive and Presidential and not getting into petty squabbles.

    Mark Levin just ripped into Romney and those backing him for trying to trash Gingrich and bringing up the hyper-partisan Democrats ethics charges. It’s over on http://www.therightscoop.com

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    I suspect you could not even hold Gov. Perry’s jock strap, How in the world do you think you accomplished enough to make fun of him. Wait, I guess because you used to be a liberal, that makes sense. I think you were better off being one, because you still do not get it.

  • carolynr

    to the New England states, the northern plain states…and you’d miss him plenty

  • JSobieski

    Criticizing candidates and public officials requires no qualification or requisite accomplishment.

  • joeydavis

    Santorum certainly does not believe he can’t beat Obama or garner the independent voter!

    In fact, he’s the only one who can. It’s Santorum’s working class background and manufacturing based economic plan that will resonate with blue collar dems in rustbelt states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin that will carry the day for Republicans in November.

    He will certainly have no problem with conservative values voters in Iowa, North Carolina and Virginia.

    Romney’s a Wall Streeter and Gingrich is a Washingtonian. Those are only two sets of folks despised more than Obama.

    What Santorum wisely recognizes is that Florida is winner take all and he’s not going to win in Florida so it’s useless to dump resources there.

    The sooner Newt’s people come to their senses and rally behind Santorum, the better off the party will be.

  • usedtobelib

    Santorum’s penchant for histrionics, something that irks me too about Rick. Sometimes, I know Santorum is earnest; sometimes, I know he is “acting” for effect, but whatever, to the general public Santorum’s “anger” is not the temperament an independent or a democrat thinking of crossing over to the GOP wants in a candidate.

    My husband’s comment, I think, is well-taken: That guy’s always angry. People don’t like that.”

  • avagreen

    The Dallas Morning News, the Austin American Statesman, the San Antonio Express-News, the Houston Chronicle and the Fort Worth Star Telegram who viewership is LIBERAL IN LIBERAL TOWNS…..who wudda guessed?

    They’ve hated him and have tried to get him unelected from day ONE because of his conservative programs. Houston, alone, yelled and screamed over his trying to get a anti-sanctuary cities bill signed and it was shelved.

    His rep? Sure, it was expected that the liberals who hate him, the Democrats and the RINOs would use this campaign as a tool.

    It hasn’t hurt him. The people that love him, still love him. The ones that hate him, still hate him. The media is driving this story with their usual lying results.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Politics isn’t medicine, clergy, or law – everyone can reasonably criticize.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    If Newt’s out, I’m all in for Romney.

  • avagreen

    Continue with rant. I loved it.

  • avagreen

    a “good conservative” candidate. We had one.

    Now, they are working on #2.
    Isn’t that clear by now?
    Romney has his baggage, but it’s being covered by the media. As carolyn said above………he lies and is allowed to get away with it. Same crap, different page.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    This idea that somehow the process is so rigged we the people cant decide is wrong.

    If you really think that, hang it up and give up on politics. I dont.

  • WillWong

    After one poor debate, where are all Newt’s supporters? Given up?

    Come on…..there are so many things we can do…like exposing Elliot Abrams misleading about Newt’s relationship with Ronald Reagan….

    Rush laziness in not listening to the entire tape….

    Goldman Sach’s being Romney’s Top donor….

    Romney’s supporters crashing Newt’s events…..

    Come on get your behind off the mat and start pounding the asphalt pavements or in this case your keyboard!

  • earhartam

    - Romney was arrogant (“don’t hate me because I’m beautiful” response to his wealth,) dismissive and childish while attempting to be above the fray (calling Santorum angry about RomneyCare, as if that’s a bad thing).

    - Gingrich was unprepared (he should have seen the rebut to his Fannie/Freddie stock attack), weak (a million opportunities to go after Romney about his complete inability to connect with people…I mean,”what the heck is a blind trust” American’s across the country were asking),

    - Santorum once again used his apt skills as a litigator to pummel Romney on healthcare. He didn’t let up. He attacked Romney with facts and made it impossible for Romney to respond any other way but turn his head and cry fowl like a little boy.

    -The true “loser” last night as well as in every debate, is the American People. I mean, am I the only one that sees the problem with the equation, Good debate, Nominee wins; Poor debate, Nominee loses. What is that, Really?

    The Democrats are absolutely salivating over this ridiculous primary.

  • cbartlett

    I talked to my daughter for a long time about this primary process last night and she admitted that she knew very little about it. She didn’t understand why primaries in two states were so much earlier than all the others and why it would cause someone like Perry to drop out when those 2 or 3 states are so small. She graduated at the top of her class in high school and has a college degree. None of her friends (ages 25-35) are paying attention to any of this either. Most of them have college degrees and, since she is married to an ex-Army guy, many of their friends are military. She and her husband have very conservative values but are too invested in finishing school, developing careers and having kids to spend any time learning anything past sound bytes on TV and headlines on the front page of the newspaper in the rack. I feel like a complete failure as a parent. Our education system has failed us too. The large number of uninformed and the ones invested in protecting their entitlements is growing every day. Is it going to take complete economic collaspe to wake everyone up?

  • cbartlett

    I talked to my daughter for a long time about this primary process last night and she admitted that she knew very little about it. She didn’t understand why primaries in two states were so much earlier than all the others and why it would cause someone like Perry to drop out when those 2 or 3 states are so small. She graduated at the top of her class in high school and has a college degree. None of her friends (ages 25-35) are paying attention to any of this either. Most of them have college degrees and, since she is married to an ex-Army guy, many of their friends are military. She and her husband have very conservative values but are too invested in finishing school, developing careers and having kids to spend any time learning anything past sound bytes on TV and headlines on the front page of the newspaper in the rack. I feel like a complete failure as a parent. Our education system has failed us too. The large number of uninformed and the ones invested in protecting their entitlements is growing every day. Is it going to take complete economic collaspe to wake everyone up?

  • cbartlett

    The White House is doomed no matter which way it goes. Congress is our only hope!

  • earhartam

    You are exactly right! From Mitt…to drink :-)

  • keepcoolwithcoolidge

    Santorum and Paul seem a lot let phony in their responses.

    It’s a shame Paul has too many crank positions/ skeletons in his closet. He has some good ideas that are being ignored, just because they are associated with him, like the base factor. I can understand bases in war zones (afghanistan) or sensitive areas (South Korea), but it seems like we are being taken advantage of by our “allies” like Germany and Italy.

    If memory serves, the only reason the western European nations were able to develop such extensive welfare states, was because our market-driven economic system enabled us to protect all of Europe against the Commies, when otherwise those nations would have had to foot their own bill. Now that the threat is gone in Europe, why are we continuing to subsidize the military protection of Europe? Why not use those resources on protecting the border, or placing them where their presence is needed and let the socialists pay their own way. Bet they’d be less generous with their welfare checks then.

  • cbartlett

    Don’t believe everything you hear about Texas politics. Read the 2-part series on rickperryreport.com titled “why rick perry didn’t go all the way”. It explains a little about Rick’s campaign and a LOT about Texas media and politics. I’ve lived and voted here all my life and I still learned a boatload from this article.

  • earhartam

    Can I get a bumper sticker with that on it?

    I repeat, a great debater does not equate to a Great president. And, since the equation seems to have been Win debate, Win the State. Lose Debate, Lose the State it is becoming glaringly obvious albeit slow to sink in, that the American People are beginning to wake up.

    The msm and the democrat and republican establishment continue to ramble on and on telling us who we should be cheering for, It is a sad commentary when the candidate who could have made a positive and effective impact on our country was judged not by merit, not by record, not by character, not by his values, but by a “skill” that any charlatan with a microphone can achieve with 5 plus years of practice under his belt.

  • ctredstater

    Mitt’s record has him in a box – he has to be “for it before he is against it” in terms of a mandate. People like me who believe government at all levels has overreached do NOT want a mandate to buy healthcare – state or federal.

    The only way out of the box is to go the state v. federal. Romney’s future approach to the base is not helped by Norm Coleman confirming our worst fears. that the Republican “Midwestern Moderate Coalition” regards the monstrous healthcare law as settled – and will agree to tinker – but not to challenge its premise or rip it out root and branch.

    where is Rick Perry when we need him?

  • znjs

    It wasn’t like he was forced out – he could’ve stuck it out, at least for more then just 2 states, one of which he didn’t even try to compete in. In fact many here insisted he would – “he’s a fighter!” Which of course became “He’s classy” when he did give up the fight.

    But no, I don’t miss him.. More time for the candidates who don’t come in last or near enough to last.

  • lovethetruth

    Open your eyes and you will see and hear the message that we need, the plan that will work and the record that upholds the Constitution. Get the knowledge of what Ron Paul has been saying and doing for the last 30 years and you will never, ever vote for another lying, cheating, untrustworthy candidate again.

    Ron Paul is the only candidate with the character and integrity to stand alone in upholding the constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. Friends of BIG GOVERNMENT are ENEMIES of the Constitution. Enemies of the Constitution are enemies of our republic. Stop looking at the illusions and start looking at the real treasure.

  • romeg

    Is a function of how many sore losers that refer to themselves as either conservative or Republican decide to sit at home and pout.

    The Election in November could not be more clear: Obama or NObama.

    While I do have my preferences as to which Republican candidate was going to take him on I am unequivocal in my support of the Republican nominee and intend to do everything I can to see to it that Obama is going to set the trend for 21st Century Democrat Presidents: OTO, One Term Only.

    We, as a nation, simply cannot allow Obama to occupy the Office of POTUS beyond January 20, 2012. There is NO candidate capable of being nominated as our candidate that would NOT be BETTER than Barack Hussein Obama as the President of this Great Nation.

    If your candidate loses, get over yourself and get to the polls and cast a vote for the Republican nominee. If you sit at home you will, in effect, be casting HALF a vote for Obama.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Here’s another one.

  • acat

    Or maybe part stinkbug.*

    In any case, they seem to come out when the primary season heats up…

    Mew

    * The southeast had a severe overpopulation of stinkbugs in 2010, IIRC. Don’t recall if it repeated in 2011.

  • Bill S

    You should have stayed gone.

    Auf wiedersehen, Ronulan.

  • JSobieski

    Just because the legal case against Obamacare focuses on the individual mandate is no reason to ignore the anti-free market aspects of Obamacare and Romneycare–the fact that both will inevitably drive up prices, and ultimately make private insurance impossible.

    Look at flood insurance in Florida, and see the future of Obamacare and Romneycare—flood insurance is a government industry at this point.

  • staunch_woman

    As I’ve posted before, I cannot and will not trust Romney. He is not a true conservative, and I’m tired of compromising. I’ve been compromising for many years and supporting the party choice, and what has it gotten us? Mr. G. has his problems, but he is a real conservative, and with all his faults, that’s what matters to me most.

    Thank you for your excellent post.

  • jc230

    Santorum and Paul did well in the CNN debate because they were authentic; they weren?t playing to the audience. Newt fell flat because he was playing to the audience rather than saying what is real, true for Newt. When Newt is speaking authentically, he shines as he did in South Carolina. Romney did well for Romney, he wasn?t real or authentic, but he was clearly practiced.. Romney needs to keep practicing with his debate coach, Newt needs to be real not politically shrewd.

  • JSobieski

    He also shines on policy, not on the personal.

    In a debate focused on reforming entitlements, he will win,

    In a debate focused on whether he lobbied for FM/FM, he is very mortal.

  • avgjo

    aiding and abetting this destructive support of Romney.

    By ‘Newt called this down on himself, it was his idea…’, are to Chaffetz’s comment that it was Newt’s idea? Newt directed that idea towards where all of these efforts should be directed: Obama.

    Maybe if Chaffetz and these others had fought this hard against Obama, we’d have a different situation. Rush raised the issue of whether the GOP would fight Obama this hard. I think the question was rhetorical.

    Justin, I respect you and often agree with what you say, but here, we’ll disagree. It is an unfortunate fact that one stupid period in a person’s life can erase tons of good. Chaffetz and others seem to be engaging in such behavior.

  • avgjo

    aiding and abetting this destructive support of Romney.

    By ‘Newt called this down on himself, it was his idea…’, are to Chaffetz’s comment that it was Newt’s idea? Newt directed that idea towards where all of these efforts should be directed: Obama.

    Maybe if Chaffetz and these others had fought this hard against Obama, we’d have a different situation. Rush raised the issue of whether the GOP would fight Obama this hard. I think the question was rhetorical.

    Justin, I respect you and often agree with what you say, but here, we’ll disagree. It is an unfortunate fact that one stupid period in a person’s life can erase tons of good. Chaffetz and others seem to be engaging in such behavior.

  • romansdaughter

  • cacharlie

    - noting your great 11:47 AM EST riff on all the nonsense last night!

    My take on Wolf’s Blitz on all things relevant to constructive politics:

    Romney doesn’t play any better as a junkyard dog, Newt looked all the better for reigning in his “grandiosity” this time around,Santorum appeared to be growing up and Paul made fun of the show.

    One for the money, two for show, three to get somebody ready to blow BO out of the water . . .

  • romansdaughter

    nt

  • cacharlie

    - since I’d like not to be lost in this long, useful review:

    - noting your great 11:47 AM EST riff on all the nonsense last night!

    My take on Wolf’s Blitz on all things relevant to constructive politics:

    Romney doesn’t play any better as a junkyard dog, Newt looked all the better for reigning in his “grandiosity” this time around,Santorum appeared to be growing up and Paul made fun of the show.

    One for the money, two for show, three to get somebody ready to blow BO out of the water . . .

  • avagreen

    Twice today for long periods of time, this site was inaccessible, as was The American Spectator, my search engine (bing), but was able to consistently get on the website of two liberal Texas newspapers with no problem whatsoever.

    Don’t know if it’s connected, but a few weeks ago Stratfor (Global Intelligence) sent out an email that they were hacked, but is now back online. And, a few other sites have been in the recent past.

    Anyone else having problems? I notice that the comments really slowed down this morning.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We haven’t been attacked. We’re just hitting the limits of our current site architecture. A new one is in the works, but it’ll take some time.

  • ww2nd95

    I do think to say “not raising taxes is off the table” is a bad approach, when I think everything should be on the table, raising taxes included. We can’t tax our way to prosperity, just like we can’t cut our way to prosperity. Neither approach is feasible alone, there has to be a balance between the two. Every Republican President, Reagan included, has raised taxes as there isn’t away around it with a Govt our size. Now there is a WHOLE lot to cut from the Govt that is wasteful, a WHOLE lot, but it’s unrealistic to think that we can cut it down to a miniscule size, no matter what any politician playing to the base says.

    I’ll pull the lever for the nominee, though Huntsman is no longer it, but yes, I do think our strategy needs to change.

  • avagreen

    It must be REALLY busy!

  • gracie

    It makes me feel that you have gone over to the dark side.

    Just because Wolf had good comebacks and controlled the candidates does not make it a good debate. The questions were horrible. Wolf went on and on about non-substantive subjects…enough already about the taxes and even the moon.

    How about BO’s speech, the debt, jobs, whether to let people refi without an appraisal or credit check with debt forgiven, Is BO going to drill for real? the pipeline, the stupidity of the EPA, where everybody REALLY stands on cap n trade, the shrinking military and…not the least, Norm Coleman, Romney advisor, stating two days ago that they did not/could not repeal Ocare??

    I think these questions would have made a real debate that would have helped Fla decide. Not everything is about immigration.

    My two cents.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s not really illuminating to tee everyone up to complain about Obama.

  • rattlerjake

    Go here to hear what Santorum said about Clinton’s healthcare mandate.
    http://tinyurl.com/RSvHW94

  • tngal

    is this a CNN policy thing now or something Wolf and his team decided to do on their own? One “fact checking” instance involved Newt saying he didn’t think his team put out a particular ad. And then a few minutes later while they were working on another question Wolf came back and said oh by the way we checked and that was your ad.

    As to mods, use to be a moderator asked a question then got out of the way or tinkled a bell to call time, since its suppose to be about candidates answering the questions. But this year the mods have injected themselves into the debates more and more. If they don’t like an answer given they go back and ask again, then in a different way. its almost like they want to do a full on witness interrogation or make a snide comment, like “I take that as maybe”. This is not a critique of cnn because I’ve noticed it with the other debates and networks as well.

  • jakeofalltrades

    That sounds like a really fun project!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We’ll see.

  • gracie

    criticisms was how personal and nasty everyone has been and it seems like people have gotten kudos for taking it to Obama instead.

    It sure seemed like Blitzer was more interested in getting them into a personal fight…I would have rather heard about real issues. JMO.

  • snowshooze

    I have never watced an election season as closely as I am this one, so I wouldn’t have much noticed.
    I have noticed the loaded questions, the stupid time wasting irrelevant questions, and the grandstanding by the Moderators trying to make points for themselves.
    And… most interestingly, some of the ” Best ” or ” Worst ” questions.. especially anything radioactive… are those hand picked ” Internet ” or facebook questions. A cheap shot for sure..
    ” Look, facebook Bob in Oregon asks how long do you intend to keep carrying on with your neighbor’s Wife…”
    Like they aren’t doing anything but passing the question along.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    are “interpreting” or putting their own spins on the questions the audience members are asking. I don’t need them to do that. Just get out of the way.

    As for fact checking, how about checking to make sure Romney hasn’t seen any of his SuperPac ads. Does anybody really believe that?

  • mikelindell2

    Yes, it’s depressing to think about a mitt presidency. He’ll do nothing to change this country’s trajectory, the country will get closer to collapse. Don’t think he will beat obama though, and most likely will hurt the rest of the ticket. It might wrongly confirm in peoples minds
    that republicans are party of/for the rich.

  • romeg

    We as a nation simply cannot allow Obama to occupy the office of POTUS beyond January 20, 2013.

    We missed the Jan 20, 2012 deadline already

  • usedtobelib

    “I suspect you could not even hold Gov. Perry?s jock strap, ”

    Now, honey, you are right that I couldn’t hold the Gov’s jock strap…because I wouldn’t want to. I wear a bra myself and I don’t need or want a jock strap.

    I’m going to let you in on a little secret: I do think I have accomplished at least as much as your beloved governor in my lifetime.

    One can be a reformed liberal and still feel that the good governor (or anyone else, btw), was a poor communicator and that the job of the Presidency requires at the very least, the ability to communicate and be intellectually agile.

    Unfortunately, Gov. Perry did not demonstrate these qualities. He has only himself to blame for a poor showing. It’s unreasonable of his followers to blame his failures on the voters or on other candidates.

  • bs61

    Daniels is good in print though even less exciting than Mitt!

  • mikelindell2

    Agreed. After watching his interview with Jon Stewart where he let Stewart run over him the entire time, I lost some admiration for him.

  • romansdaughter

    Just remember “Pride cometh before a fall”. I am from Washington state and I have a feeling a lot of us are going to be wishing we can move down to Texas, as I think we are going to have 4 more years of Obama. And that dumb Governor that can’t speak English is going to look brilliant. He admits that he got into the race too late and had only a month off of back surgery and he sure didn’t blame it on anyone besides himself. Yes, and your candidate is which one of the brilliant, intellects that are left?? As none of them look very brilliant to me and I take wisdom over intellect any day.

  • romansdaughter

    Just cause someone is last doesn’t mean they are least. Gov. Perry and I am not even from Texas is way more qualified than any of the 4 remaining candidates on record alone. It just wasn’t God’s timing and as Gov Perry said, He learned quite a few things running in a national election and one was he didn’t get in early enough and having back surgery a month before running wasn’t good either…of course he hadn’t been planning to run.

  • romansdaughter

    of these days.

  • texastaxpayer

    But he is back leading Texas and that really isn’t a bad thing. He has been very effective in his role as our governor and I sleep well knowing he is home. Besides when Romney gets his a$$ kicked in November Perry can launch a proper campaign in 2016. Assuming of course Texas is still a state, America still exists independent from China who will no doubt own 12 to 15 trillion in Obama debt by then or Iran hasn’t used their new nukes to vaporize us.

  • lizzie

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/01/26/turkey-islamist-nightmare-or-misunderstood-friend/

    a fine follow-up on Turkey, starting with Perry’s last debate
    comment. Walter Russell Mead is a conventional-wisdom-breaking
    thinker and scholar who always is worth reading. Self-taught scholar,
    I have watched him break free of liberal Choir past three years, much
    to their consternation. WRM should be the pundit! He always gets
    beyond the cosmetics.
    I appreciate he cited Perry’s Turkey comment with zero condemnation,
    noting that Perry had started a genuine dialog.
    as we know, not the first time Perry has been prescient even if not
    always verbally smooth:

    The dilemma for Texas is how y’all are going to handle the new migration of maybe TEN million or more Americans who now know Texas is the only sane state in America, besides North Dakota.

    Why would anyone sane run for the presidency after this mishegoss?

  • avagreen

    …..the libs in the big cities and the trial lawyers (being encouraged by Greta Van Susteren’s husband) are out for blood now that he’s lost this election…..new fodder for them to throw on the walls to see which sticks. I hate them all.

    Hopefully, the “sane” will re-elect him again when his term is up (2010 – 2014). http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/politics/03texas.html

    Texas is one of 14 states with no gubernatorial term limit.

  • courdeleon02

    With the bitter fighting going on now in the Repubican ranks we are only hurting our chances of beating Obama. We are wasting our money attacking each other. These funds will be needed for the fight that is ahead. We need to preserve our financial resources and dedicate them to the defeat of Obama who is destroying our nation.The issue is the state of the American economy,the lack of jobs and opportunity for young people, and the growing power of government.It is obvious that Mitt Romney is the strongest candidate to face our failed President.Lets bury the hacthets and support Mitt.

  • conservativeparrothead

    Mitt was the prohibitive favorite entering the race, has been at it for 6 years and if he wins Florida will have a what 20 delegate lead and still probably loses to the combined santorum-newt vote.

    I want to see this one on one after a month to reload and see what super Tuesday brings us.

  • boonerdan

    To quote our host, “Mitt Romney won the debate.”

    I am not a Santorum fan, but at least I am objective enough to acknowledge that Santorum DEVOURED Willard.

    Once you get passed your hatred for Newt, perhaps you will see clearer.