Sixty-Five to One: It’s Not That Complicated


Political analysts have a need to sound expertly and important when it comes to elections. They have to go in depth and explain artfully and deeply why someone won and someone lost.

It was the debates. It was the ground game. It was the strategies. It was the likability versus dislikability of the candidates. On and on they go.

What gets danced around is the money. Money is usually why candidates win or lose. Candidates with the highest favorable name ID usually win. To do that takes lots of money and lots of ads.

For all the hoopla about Mitt Romney’s victory in Florida, it really is not that hard to understand. All you need to understand is the ratio 65 to 1.

As my friend Jim Galloway notes at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Mitt Romney ran 65 ads for every 1 ad run by or for Newt Gingrich. Ron Paul and Rick Santorum were shut out altogether.

If you win the air war that significantly, you are going to win the election. We don’t need fancy spin and long winded explanations to understand that.


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Good for Romney

pdawk Wednesday, February 1st at 10:04AM EDT (link)

He has shown the ability to raise large sums of money and put that money to use obliterating his opponents when they became a threat to him. Sounds kind of like the same thing we need to have happen this fall.

Unfortunately, Obama is going to have over a billion dollars.

ceili_dancer (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Whomever is the nominee better not blow their whole warchest in the primary just to run the score up. I heard on the radio that the amount of negative ads (on both sides) were way out of proportion to positives. And, why won’t Romney do any reach out to conservatives and Tea Party groups?

I've wondered if the Obamites are just waving around that figure for over half a year as a pre-emptive strike

fightnright Wednesday, February 1st at 10:39AM EDT (link)

to terrorize GOP candidates away from entering the race. Would explain a lot about the weak GOP field, the affluent candidate that the establishment is backing, and the early concessions this year.

Has anybody backed up the Dems war chest $ figure projection, or is it still an empty threat?

“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” she said. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. … You want people who don’t worry about the next election.” Beverly Perdue, NC Governor

If you don’t believe that Democrats will do what they say, then don’t vote. But be warned: your 2016 vote may come too late. Vote Republican in 2012!

He nearly did it last time...

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:02AM EDT (link)

If Barack Obama has proved anything, he’s proved that he can raise that kind of cash. It’s about the only thing he does well.

Don’t forget, the Attorney General is a Democrat, as are the majority at the FEC. Soros very likely contributed several hundred million through shills overseas, and the FEC did not even investigate, let alone prosecute. That will happen again unless we find some way to force the Democrats to act like they’re actually interested in enforcing the law against themselves.

Barack Obama will outspend Mitt Romney dramatically. Count on it.

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We will not have a righteous government again until we become a righteous nation again.

(A collection of my political essays from 2008-2010 can be found at www.plumbbobblog.com. All visitors welcome.)

 
 

Yeah not so fast with that meme.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:05AM EDT (link)

Obama Fundraising Advantage Disappearing.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

Beat me to it, Marcus.......

avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 10:26AM EDT (link)

I had my finger poised on the search engine ……..

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

avagreen, you do know that he (Perry) was a

remalimo Thursday, February 2nd at 11:22AM EDT (link)

Cheerleader at A&M?

remalimo, he was a yell leader, not a cheerleader..

avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:27AM EDT (link)

Yell leaders are tasked with firing up the student crowd at football games and other school events. It’s actually quite a prestigious position at A&M, as leaders are chosen by a vote of the student body and become one of the faces of the athletic department.

BTW, I’m an alumni of Texas A&M. You’re talking to the choir here.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

Sounds like the same description as a

remalimo Thursday, February 2nd at 12:06PM EDT (link)

cheer leader but since we are taliking about gov. it is a reduction in the increase and not a reduction in tax.

By the way my wife is a third generation aggie.

Naw! Not the same at all. Your wife should have taught you better.

avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 5:19PM EDT (link)

The Aggie Yell Leader squad is made up of group of juniors and seniors who lead the A&M crowds in trained chants at sporting events with hand motions. Unlike cheerleaders, there are no high flying flips, nor are there traditionally women on the squad. The uniforms do not even have a color, but instead are simply white shirt and white pants.

The yell leader is the highest profile student position on the A&M campus, and they are chosen in a fiercely competitive popularity contest within a current student body of just under 50,000. To have been one of the five students selected for role, at a young age Perry had to have demonstrated an ability to mobilize voting blocs (specifically the A&M Cadet Corps) and politick.

As the official yell leader website writes, “It is not uncommon for more than twice as many students to vote for yell leader candidates than vote in the Student Body President elections.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/19/what-is-a-yell-leader/

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Fantasy land...

kegan05 Friday, February 3rd at 6:38AM EDT (link)

Obama’s money man has been quoted as saying the “billion dollar bankroll” is BS, in a conversation with another liberal loon.

Wall Street has shut Comrade Obozo down. Guess they got tired of being called Fat Cats. They have been pouring a lot into Mitt Romney’s campaign fund. They must smell a winner.

 
 

5 @ pdawk

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:29AM EDT (link)

In both lawyers and nominees I want a shark. And not just any shark – I want the one from Jaws 3. That appears to be Mitt.

Agreed...

blato Wednesday, February 1st at 2:06PM EDT (link)

Some of his opponents have been arguing that Romney has been running for 6 years, as though that was some of kind of detriment. Well, he has been running for 6 years, and it shows. He has the money, the state-by-state organization and the party support needed to win the primary election and compete in the general election. None of his opponents are even close. If Gingrich or Santorum do manage to win the primary, I don’t like their chances going up against Obama’s state-by-state campaign machine.

One of the arguments that drives me nuts goes like this: “Why would we nominate the guy who lost to McCain, after McCain lost to Obama?” Well, we nominated the guy who lost to Ford, after Ford lost to Carter, and he wiped the floor with Carter. Again, Reagan had been running for years and had built up a national organization and a core of support, that served him well in the general election.

Romney is no Reagan, but he gives us our best shot at beating Obama, because his campaign is most prepared for the fight to come. Newt seemed to think that he could drink a Diet Coke, call his grandchildren and then decide to run for President. He simply isn’t ready for the full fight. He’s skilled enough on his own to score the ocassional direct hit (like SC), but he can’t sustain it.

Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley, et al were very patient and persistent. They didn’t throw fits when they had setbacks, they just kept fighting and building. In the meantime, they supported the “establishment” candidates that won the nominations. If the Tea Party movement is to really last and have an impact, we need to buck up, be more patient, and fight for the better alternative we have at the time. We weren’t ready to field a viable candidate this year – that is the reality.

Will never happen

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:58AM EDT (link)

“Romney is no Reagan, but he gives us our best shot at beating Obama, because his campaign is most prepared for the fight to come”

Who said this first? I want to find him and break his nose.

Moderate Republicans cannot win the Presidency unless the Democrats self-destruct or the Republicans get help from God. Eisenhower was a “God” candidate; he won because he was the general who commanded D-Day, and they were running against Milqetoast. Nixon won running as a conservative, and the Democrats blew up at the 1968 convention; the days of rage sealed the election for the Republicans. Reagan… you know. Bush Sr. won because of Reagan. Bush Jr. won because of Gore. Ford, Dole, McCain… if the Democrats don’t disintegrate, none of them ever had a chance. Moderate Republicans do not win the Presidency.

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We will not have a righteous government again until we become a righteous nation again.

(A collection of my political essays from 2008-2010 can be found at www.plumbbobblog.com. All visitors welcome.)

Reagan would have been called a moderate

pdawk Thursday, February 2nd at 9:40AM EDT (link)

and a flip flopper by today’s standards.

Beware the hobgoblin, pdawk.

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:47AM EDT (link)

We want politicians who recognize and learn from mistakes, after all.

Reagan did so.

Gingrich’s record as a conservative representative is solid.

Romney .. not so much. Leon had an entire article up, at one point, about how Romney’s electoral epiphanies are all skewing toward conservatism.

Further, given the handling of the Berkeley #Occupy movement of its’ day, there’s no way anyone would call Reagan a moderate.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

Not so much!

kegan05 Friday, February 3rd at 6:50AM EDT (link)

If you think Newt’s “record as a conservative representative” is solid, you haven’t done any research on the man.

He is on record (YouTube Video’s) saying our Constitution is “obsolete.” He has described himself as a “Wilsonian Progressive.” Anyone who has read about the Woodrow Wilson era knows that a “Wilsonian Progressive is NOT a Conservative.

Newt was for Gun Control Legislation. He was for Federal Mandates.

He bought into the Global Warming Scam and the Cap and Trade fiasco.

He has been all over the place, including dissing Ronald Reagan for his Foreign Policy and his efforts to “take down this wall” speech.

He’s a very conflicted, erratic, undisciplined man who is very smart but not stable enough to LEAD this nation in the opinion of many who know him and have worked with him.

YouTube has about 7 or 8 Video’s, some an hour long, detailing Newts multi-faceted personality.

An interesting post, kegan05. It appears ...

acat (Diary) Friday, February 3rd at 11:39AM EDT (link)

..that you haven’t learned the first rule of dealing with politicians. Ignore what they say, watch what they *do*.

Gingrich’s voting record is solidly conservative. His attacks on Reagan on foreign policy were from a more conservative stance, not from the left.

Equating Romney’s and Obama’s and Gingrich’s statements on a “mandate” shows quite a lot of intellectual laziness, none of the three mean the same thing by the word. Obama wants government to pick up the tab – the model is flood insurance, do some research. Romney wants the private sector to provide coverage for all. Gingrich wants those who can to pay their bills. Big difference.

Gingrich may have “bought into” global warming; at the time he attempted to get conservatives a seat at the table, a number of Governors – including Romney and Pawlenty – were moving forward with greenhouse-gas restrictions so Gingrich is unique only in taking the bull by the horns and proposing free market solutions, not in “buying in”. Further, he – like Romney and Pawlenty – recognized that it’s a lie.

Tell you what. Instead of distorting the Gingrich record, try defending Romney or Santorum or even Ron Paul’s record.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 

pdawk, thanks for

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 3:47PM EDT (link)

giving us all those examples of Reagan flip-flops, as in zero examples. Reagan a moderate, sure, and Romney is a conservative.
Both changed on abortion, beyond that, no comparison.

 
 

Moderate Republicans

texayn Saturday, February 4th at 1:27AM EDT (link)

Cannot win the Presidency! That will preach! Conservatism works every time it is tried. I don’t believe any of the candidates have the stones it will take to make the necessary changes to save us from financial abyss. They will be reviled, castigated by roughly one half of the population. Cuts have to be draconian to work. There will be screams for a recall. A one term president. Why would anyone want that job?

 
 
 

If you campaign like a Democrat

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:05AM EDT (link)

If a candidate campaigns like a Democrat, complete with lies and disingenuous promises, don’t complain if the candidate governs like a Democrat, complete with corrupt attorneys general and disingenuous speeches.

I, for one, think it is important NOT to become what I hate.

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We will not have a righteous government again until we become a righteous nation again.

(A collection of my political essays from 2008-2010 can be found at www.plumbbobblog.com. All visitors welcome.)

 

I think you Romney fans either

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 3:35PM EDT (link)

have a short memory or are simply too young to remember Newt in the 80′s and 90′s. Newt was the shark that ate other sharks. And unlike Romney, Newt attacked Democrats, not Republicans. Do some research on what happened to Wright after Newt decided to go after him, and Newt did it without the lib media on his side. McCain was also great at attacking other Republicans, and that shark had paper teeth when it came to Obama.

 
 

70%.

brand (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:32PM EDT (link)

That’s the number of conservatives who did NOT vote for Romney in Florida. Alllll that money spent, all those negative ads, only .1% Pro Romney ads – and he got 30% of the Conservative vote in FL.

If he takes that percentage to the November elections, then I guess Florida voters just helped re-elect Pres. Obama.

With 4 candidates, I'd say Romney got more than his fair share of conservatives.

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:36PM EDT (link)

What is your gripe?

It means...

brand (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 3:05PM EDT (link)

That without Conservatives, Republicans can’t win in November. Romney has not, and will not gain enough Conservative votes in November. When he’s got this kind of an advantage in the playing field (GOTV efforts, gargantuan money advantage, et al) and he still turns off 70% of the Conservatives? Even after lambasting Newt (and his team bragging about it) and painting him out to be some type of apostate?

Yeah, no. Romney may or may not cruise to the nomination, but Republicans will go down to ignoble defeat in November if he does.

I refuse to believe that...

blato Wednesday, February 1st at 3:46PM EDT (link)

America-loving conservatives will stay home in large numbers and pout because their candidate didn’t win. No matter who wins this nomination, a large number of conservatives will be angry, but we have to get over that. Ford would have been better than Carter, McCain (as bad as he was) would have been better than Obama (he would have at least supported the Keystone pipeline and resumption of drilling in the Gulf, among other things).

To let your country go to hell just to stick it to the Establishment is not a conservative principle.

But standing up for what you believe in, is.

brand (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 4:15PM EDT (link)

I am not going to be led around by the nose by pundits, existing politicians, the MSM, or nasty campaign professionals who mislead the less informed.

I voted for McCain. Heck, I liked Romney more back in 2007/2008.. at least he hadn’t gotten NEARLY as nasty as he has this go round. But, at least McCain was a war hero, had a fantastic record voting for the unborn, and even his “apostasies” have some reasoned explanations behind them. (When you see $17M dropped on Newt’s head, one can almost sympathize with the need for campaign finance reform!)

Romney is no McCain or even Dole. As moderate as they were, all we have for proof of Romney’s conservativism is platitudes and vaporware. On the record…how he governed, was most definitely NOT conservative.

After being burned by hopey-changey, platitude guy once, why would the country choose to do it again?

I’m FAR more concerned with how Newt, Perry, Romney, Santorum, et al governed and campaigned, than I am with what they happen to say on a stump speech. Slips of the tongue will happen, but an outright organized smear campaign that you want to then turn around and act like it wasn’t your fault?

And don’t get me started on “oh, that’s in a trust fund, I don’t know anything about it” or “that’s the Super Pac…” or “The Massachusetts voters loved it!” Meh.

Swapping one liberal for another is no choice.

 

Who do you think does the volunteer work?

arthurjake Thursday, February 2nd at 1:42PM EDT (link)

Some will not show up. But worse for Romney most of the ones that do and hold there nose while they cast there vote will not have worked for him. If you are being outspent it takes a group of hardened conservatives knocking on doors making phone calls and doing all sorts of things to make up for it. He will not have it. McCain at least got some of it because of Palin. Romney will not get it at all. His moderate supporters arent going to come out and do it either.

 

blato, your point that

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 3:56PM EDT (link)

“Ford would have been better than Carter, McCain (as bad as he was) would have been better than Obama,”is the counterpoint to your argument; both lost.

 

Nonsense, Blato

tnguy Friday, February 3rd at 12:03PM EDT (link)

I don’t know many conservatives who won’t support Romney just to “stick it to the establishment”. We’re doing so because we believe a moderate or left-wing republican would be disastrous for America.

It saddens me that some conservatives are willing to shuck aside their principles in order to win the election, as though the election is nothing more than political sport. Or that the key to fixing a broken nation is merely to supplant Obama.

Obama is not the real problem. He’s merely a symptom of it. We’ll never fix what’s wrong with the country if we continually gloss over the rot in our own party.

If we continue to choose the lesser of 2 evils, we’ll always wind up with that same choice every 4 years.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”

 
 
 
 
 

Bad for us

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:45AM EDT (link)

Ok, Romney can raise funds. Is that the ONLY criterion we should apply when picking a candidate to represent the Republican party? ‘Cause apparently it’s the only one that IS being applied.

How else do you explain the Republicans, after the 2010 Tea Party election, apparently selecting a candidate whose sole electoral achievement was to become governor while running as a Progressive?

Personally, I would prefer that some other criteria be considered.

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We will not have a righteous government again until we become a righteous nation again.

(A collection of my political essays from 2008-2010 can be found at www.plumbbobblog.com. All visitors welcome.)

 

Good for Romney also good for Obama

toenail Thursday, February 2nd at 9:29AM EDT (link)

We will have someone raising large sums of money and running a 99.9% negative campaign this fall. It will be Obama. He will rip Romney to pieces. The liberals already have the script written since Kennedy defeated Romney. The only record Romney has is tax dodging, rich boy, robber baron in the liberal theme. Romney has already shown he has no conservative ideas to run on. He has only taken his opponent down not built himself up. How has the GOP establishment managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again?

Disintegration of democracy

mayflower Thursday, February 2nd at 2:59PM EDT (link)

RE: Romney’s “victory” in Florida. I think it is a TERRIBLE MODEL for democracy that the person with the biggest check wins public office.

Is that really how we want to govern this country – no winning by IDEAS, character, ability – just poll driven drivel spewed onto a zillion negative ads and into the living rooms of the gullible?

That Citizens United decision was a nail in our coffin. Romney’s model for victory is a disgrace.

Democrat retread troll account. Disregard all commentary.

 

toenail, your question

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 4:12PM EDT (link)

“How has the GOP establishment managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again,” has an easy answer, to a country-club Republican Romney is an ideal President. He is the kind of man they look up to.

But don’t despair, conservatives almost defeated the elite in 76, there was no Tea Party movement then, and Ford was an incumbent. The downside is that conservatives are split today, in 76 it was either Ford or Reagan.

 
 

Besides...

pg1701 Thursday, February 2nd at 10:47AM EDT (link)

65 – 1 and not only is Gingrich still standing, his speech after coming in second in FL was brilliant. So much so I actually clapped at the end.
Obama is going to throw so much mud – Romney on steroids – we want someone that can swot it away like a fly.
I’m curious why no one has brought up the Damen Labs fraud, because the left will certainly link Romney to this for sure, and he will be paraded as Wall Street in contrast to Obama’s ‘fairness to all’ rhetoric.
In the meantime, I have just read a fascinating article by a NASA type on why Gingrich’s lunar vision is very possible with the private sector.

the lunar vision

gsatt Thursday, February 2nd at 1:28PM EDT (link)

Newt is very much in the right about this lunar vision. To be the best you must think like the best. Its called goals. Its called motivation. Its called bragging rights!!!!!! This country is so embarrassed about winning we hand out trophies to the people that sucked. To think of all the technological advances that would be created striving for this goal would be fascinating. And hell ya it can be done in the private sector. Will it possibly need some financial backing from the GOV? Sure, but at least that’s a measurable task (Did ya hit the moon or not? instead of “ya we spent billions, did it work? errrrrrrrr ask again later when I get re-elected”)

Now, was it the proper time to drop an idea like this, obviously not since it made peoples heads pop when it came out of RIGHT field. People cant comprehend thinking positive when their heads are so far up their _ _ _ runinning around like chickens about the economy. We need to get off the couches, put the twinkie down ( isn’t that company tanking too? oh the irony), and start making some products. People buy products. And the pieces fall in place. There will always be poor. We need to send OUR poor information on the poor in other countries. They wont think they’re so screwed at that point. Our poor don’t eat mud pies. They can now shut up and start taking the jobs from the illegal aliens (well…if we get this minimum wage BS taken care of)

“The humanitarian wishes to be a prime mover in the lives of others. He cannot admit either the divine or the natural order, by which men have the power to help themselves. The humanitarian puts himself in the place of God.

But he is confronted by two awkward facts; first, that the competent do not need his assistance; and second, that the majority of people. . . positively do not want to be ‘done good’ by the humanitarian. . . . Of course, what the humanitarian actually proposes is that he shall do what he thinks is good for everybody. It is at this point that the humanitarian sets up the guillotine.”

– Isabel Paterson-

gsatt, Romney's laugh-off of the lunar base is

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 4:24PM EDT (link)

simply an illustration of his vision for America, forget about being a leader and just manage America’s decline.

Tousche

gsatt Monday, February 6th at 1:20PM EDT (link)

nt

“The humanitarian wishes to be a prime mover in the lives of others. He cannot admit either the divine or the natural order, by which men have the power to help themselves. The humanitarian puts himself in the place of God.

But he is confronted by two awkward facts; first, that the competent do not need his assistance; and second, that the majority of people. . . positively do not want to be ‘done good’ by the humanitarian. . . . Of course, what the humanitarian actually proposes is that he shall do what he thinks is good for everybody. It is at this point that the humanitarian sets up the guillotine.”

– Isabel Paterson-

 
 
 
 

It's a disgrace, and a danger to our nation...

mayflower Thursday, February 2nd at 2:57PM EDT (link)

Re Romney’s “victory” in Florida. I think it is a TERRIBLE MODEL for democracy that the person with the biggest check wins public office. Eric is right about this, and it is wrong.

Is that really how we want to govern this country – no winning by IDEAS, character, ability – just poll driven drivel spewed onto a zillion negative ads and into the living rooms of the gullible?

That Citizens United decision was a nail in our coffin. Romney’s model for victory is a disgrace.

Democrat retread troll account. Disregard all commentary.

 

pdawk, he's also shown the ability to lie and distort with the best of the Dems.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 3:00PM EDT (link)

He’s scumbage POS.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 

What will happen...

mayflower Thursday, February 2nd at 3:04PM EDT (link)

to the SPIRIT of our people, when the only campaigns we have for public office consist of broadcast poll-driven villification of opposing candidates?

No winning by ideas, ideals, ability?

I think I just want to protect my children from the upcoming tsunami of trash, so that there may be some chance of their getting to grow up with some respect and love of country.

Democrat retread troll account. Disregard all commentary.

 

Fat chance that Romney

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 3:19PM EDT (link)

will “put that money to use obliterating his opponents,” he won’t go after Obama half as hard as he goes after other Republicans because he is too afraid of being called a racist. Romney will be another McCain on that score; he will probably have another McCain moment and say that Obama is a nice guy and no danger to America. Romney is already slobbering all over himself after the “poor” comment.

 

And...........Your Point, Eric??

heresjohnny01 Friday, February 3rd at 10:49AM EDT (link)

This is different from the OTHER presidential election in what way? If people like a candidate they send him/her money. Would you change THAT?

 
 

Except, if that's all it takes,

Locked and Loaded (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:35AM EDT (link)

he may be one-upped.

No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.

Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV

Oops,

Locked and Loaded (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:35AM EDT (link)

meant as reply to pdawk.

No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.

Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV

 
 

65 to 1 and he only won by 14 points?!?!

azaeroprof (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:41AM EDT (link)

I’d be pretty concerned if I were a Romney advisor. Not so much about the nomination prospects, those look pretty solid. But what’s going to happen when Obama is outspending him by 5:1, 10:1 or more with the media behind him? That scares the snot out of me.

You think Obama will outspend him 5 or 10 to 1?

pdawk Wednesday, February 1st at 11:09AM EDT (link)

Really? There is a good article over on National Journal debunking this myth.

If you take in account the thousands

1spark Wednesday, February 1st at 11:15AM EDT (link)

of Democratic Super PACs that are already gaining huge financial support for Obama’s presidency… it stands pretty good reason that Obama can outspend him.

Only time will tell.

That is a different statement

pdawk Wednesday, February 1st at 11:18AM EDT (link)

Can the Democrats and their groups outspend the Republicans and their groups? Maybe. However, there will be so much money pumped into this campaign that neither side will have a problem getting their message or attacks out.

True.

1spark Wednesday, February 1st at 11:20AM EDT (link)

actually such a barrage might have a negative effect

fightnright Wednesday, February 1st at 11:54AM EDT (link)

as the increasing robo-calls and dinnertime phone interruptions have been having in recent years.

The incessant commercials may begin to hit a wall and have a fogging effect, almost a cortical suppression so that the voters literally tune out all of the mud being slung. There will be a heightening of distrust as the ‘he lied’; no, HE lied’ dynamic plays out, and the endless parade of response ads, retractions, explanations, will reach record numbers.

This may work in the GOP’s favor. Voters, exhausted by the unprecedented blatant manipulation, might seek to rely on the evidence of their own pocketbooks, the health of their jobs or businesses, and the true state of the economy before they re-install the incumbent this year.

“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” she said. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. … You want people who don’t worry about the next election.” Beverly Perdue, NC Governor

If you don’t believe that Democrats will do what they say, then don’t vote. But be warned: your 2016 vote may come too late. Vote Republican in 2012!

Remember fightnright that suppressing turnout ...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:51PM EDT (link)

via “turning off” independents and nominal non-independents is also part of the way the game is played…

That is, instead of raising your own vote total, you can win by keeping your opponents’ nominal allies tuned out and sitting at home…. so maybe those robo-calls aren’t really intended to get people to vote.

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ah, good point, cat, thanks for that...

fightnright Wednesday, February 1st at 2:02PM EDT (link)

n/t

“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” she said. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. … You want people who don’t worry about the next election.” Beverly Perdue, NC Governor

If you don’t believe that Democrats will do what they say, then don’t vote. But be warned: your 2016 vote may come too late. Vote Republican in 2012!

 
 
 
 
 

the one primary when Gingrich matched Romney's spending, Romney got blown out

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:02PM EDT (link)

and Romney spent massively in Iowa only to get beaten in a squeaker by the meagerly funded Rick Santorum.

So if the primary serves as any kind of microcosm , Romney needs to vastly outspend his opponent in order to have a chance.

And Romney has also benefitted from very favorable media and journalists who were happy to coordinate with him in attacking Gingrich.

So, let’s say for the sake of argument he could match Obama in spending, Obama would still have a much larger number of media outlets attacking Romney and amplifying his message.

If you are talking about SC, then you are wrong

Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:07PM EDT (link)

Romney outspent Gingrich by about the same ratio in SC as in FL. The difference between the two states was the debate performances. Gingrich did well before SC. Romney did well before FL.

I stand corrected, thank you. Even while outspending candidates 5 to 1 Romney is subject to being blown out.

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:46PM EDT (link)

But I wouldn’t say the debate performances were the main difference — or that there was any equivalence between Newt’s outstanding debate performances in SC and Romney’s much less impressive debates in Florida.

Newt’s debate performances moved the needle by 24 points over the course of a week against a better funded opponent and a hostile media when Newt was being counted out and supposedly had no momentum.

Romney came into Florida with a big lead already due to early voters who cast their ballots before Newt’s second surge and having already been running ads for a month.

He then launched into a very nasty and dishonest attack harping on the ethics charges against Newt without ever mentioning that Newt was exonerated, and saying that Newt “resigned in disgrace” implying it was because of the ethics charges when that actually had nothing to do with it.

He also had various members of the press revising history for him painting Newt as anti-Reagan.

But Wolf Blitzer felt no need to ask about any of this and instead saw fit to drudge up Freddie Mac.

With an ad advantage of 65 to 1, a big lead in early voting, and the media on his side, Romney didn’t need a particularly good debate performance to win in Florida.

You’re giving him far more credit than he deserves.

 
 
 

Yeah, we've heard that before

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:08AM EDT (link)

Plenty of articles debunked the Democrats’ cash advantage in 200 8. And then, they actually produced the money.

Now they’re saying they can do it again. I like the National Journal generally, but the smart money says that the Democrats will succeed at raising at least as much as they did the last time, if not more.

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you are right about that, pdawk,

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 4:40PM EDT (link)

the Wall Street crowd will not be in Obama’s tank this time, whether it is Romney or Newt, though of course they would prefer Romney. Wall Street is beginning to see that another four years of Obama just might give us an economic collapse. Wall Street doesn’t mind a Democrat managed economy, they negotiate around that quite well, but a meltdown is something quite different, they can’t move their money overseas fast enough to save themselves.

 
 
 

Then explain to me Rick Perry?

submariner45 Wednesday, February 1st at 10:49AM EDT (link)

If all it takes is money, why was Rick Perry such an abysmal failure?
The answer is, it’s not that simple.

And all of the conservatives whining that the big bad Mitt shouldn’t have played so rough with poor little Newt “Mitt Romney Wants To Take Away Kosher Meals From Holocaust Survivors” Gingrich, better grow up.

Politics ain’t beanbag, and I want a nominee that can play hardball.

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jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:51AM EDT (link)

Nice moniker for Newt, btw. That ad was… ridiculous. But par for the course.

The kosher ad did seem an example of Newt jumping the shark

fightnright Wednesday, February 1st at 11:29AM EDT (link)

I also got the feeling that the listing of all the executive orders Gingrich claimed he would write on the first day in office (or did he go so far as to say on the day of his inauguration?!) was shark-jumping territory too. With its over pious finish, the speech all sounded a little desperate and unrealistic to me. Maybe it was part of Newt’s outreach to his big money guys, but I thought it fed into his general negatives for overreach and grandiosity. Gingrich is a brilliant orator, and I just thought he could have done it more wisely w/o that time frame.

Newt’s base loved it, but whether his statements will help his candidacy with other Repubs, I’m less sure.

“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” she said. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. … You want people who don’t worry about the next election.” Beverly Perdue, NC Governor

If you don’t believe that Democrats will do what they say, then don’t vote. But be warned: your 2016 vote may come too late. Vote Republican in 2012!

 
 

Romney will play hardball to get the nomination

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:52AM EDT (link)

And fold like a tent when Obama starts up the DNC smear machine

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Romney will put up a better fight than McCain did.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:01AM EDT (link)

To be honest, I don’t think it’s in Romney to just curl into the fetal position and let Obama have his way with him. The guy is too ambitious.

I’m open to the possibility that Romney would be a pleasant surprise.

I disagree

1spark Wednesday, February 1st at 11:07AM EDT (link)

Romney is less suited to take on Obama due to Romney’s nature and way of being. It’s going to take a lot of disgruntled independents to close the gap that Obama has been enjoying.

It also seems like the economy is recovery pretty quickly this year. One of Romney’s main battle cries.

He’s going to do worse. I feel Gingrich has the better shot of the two. He can rile up Obama… Mitt might, as well, however only when pushed as he was with Gingrich.

I don't think so. Romney does not shy away from fighting Democrats and he has 800 vetoes to prove it.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:12AM EDT (link)

Being the Republican Governor of Massachusetts with a 90% Democratic House and Senate and a 100% Governor’s Council, your record of victories will of course be very small.

I really doubt Romney is going to take a page out of McCain’s playbook. I firmly believe he’s going to make a fight of it.

That 800 number refers to vetoes overturned, Martin.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:14AM EDT (link)

I’m sure he managed to get one or two to stick.

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Exactly. Knowing he's had vetoes overturned 600 times already ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:17AM EDT (link)

… the guy kept going for 200 more. Is that the mark of someone who will shy away from a fight?

Wasn’t that something we all complained that Bush didn’t do enough of?

Seems to me it's the mark of a guy who chose the wrong ground to fight upon.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:19AM EDT (link)

You’d think, after the first 200 times, he might have considered finding other ways to fight back…..

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How? is the question.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:23AM EDT (link)

If over 90% of both Houses are controlled by the other Party and the Governor’s Council (which pre-approves the Governor’s nominations) is 100% Democrat, what else could he have done?

The only thing is to quit. And then, he’d be called a quitter.

I see where you're coming from, Martin.

1spark Wednesday, February 1st at 11:29AM EDT (link)

I’m simply questioning the ferocity of Romney’s campaigning tactics.

He’s been hanging back a lot in the GOP race for the nomination. He might bring it to the Presidential Primary.

Romney is, hands down, persistent.I’m curious to see if he’ll take it up to the 11th volume and connect with voters at the same time. It’s not as easy as Gingrich makes it out to seem.

Romney is not a straight-up sort of campaigner, 1spark.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:36AM EDT (link)

He hits from the side or the back, via proxies.

Look at Rove going after Perry, you think that didn’t have Romney fingerprints? Rove doesn’t get off the couch unless someone’s paying, eh? More evidence needed? Take a look at the documented Romney stealth-hits during the 2008 campaign.

The upside to this is, going against another dirty-tricks campaign – Obama – Romney’s crew may manage to preempt some strikes.

The downsides include (but are not limited to) the scorched-earth tactics leave little room for former competitors to become allies – i.e. who really believed the Pawlenty endorsement was heartfelt? – and the chance of coattails becomes quite reduced.

Coattails is important, so I’ll mention it again – we know Romney’s a northeastern moderate republican, so we’re going to need a larger conservative bonfire in the congress to hold his feet over.

Romney’s non-engaging solo act, though, just about guarantees we’re going to lose some races that, if we had a non-milquetoast at the top of the ticket, we could win.

Keep that in mind – this isn’t just about 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

It’s not all about Romney either.

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Yep, Obama will want to debate Romney, but not Gingrich

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:17PM EDT (link)

romney attacks via ads and proxies.

Romney has a glass jaw when confronted. So does Obama but I’d see obama do at least as well against romney in a live debate, if not have an edge.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

I don't see the Romney vs Obama debates mattering much ...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:58PM EDT (link)

Neither is notably gifted in that type of forum, both will be defensive and spin out talking points wherever possible.

Romney has an easier time in that the case against Obama is pretty easy to make, but because Romney is relatively poorly vetted and Obama has the money to do serious oppo research, he may try some cheap shots to see if he can land one.

The proxy war is going to be interesting to watch .. and I suspect depressing as hell to all the moderates who are currently pulling for Romney as “the one who can win”. By September at the latest, I expect a wailing and gnashing of teeth among those who, today, are cheerleading for the guy.

Just as we saw with McCain.

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Debates should matter, and GOP should make them important

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:08PM EDT (link)

Because Obama will have unprecedented cover in the media.

There are some saying Obama’s fundraising isn’t maybe so hot. Doesn’t he already have $250 million?

Obama announced they are rolling out smart phone credit card readers to all campaign staff. That is brilliant. They’ll get donations at every event while people are riled up, rather than hoping they go to a website later(suffers a major dropoff). The GOP better be doing this now. Primary candidates should be doing it, especially gingrich.

Even IF obama doesn’t get the $1billion war chest (remember donations from Mickey Mouse, anonymous crap from overseas, absolutely no vetting of donations) obama has the advantage of free media thru the MSM. Trying to measure the $$ value of Chrissie tingle mathews and all the lame stream media, all the newspapers, etc…that are in the tank for obama is mind boggling. That could be another billion worth in free coverage.

This is why Gingrich is right to pressure obama to compete in an arena where he will be weaker, and where there is no spin during a live event. Ridiculing obama into doing lincoln douglas debates is a great tactic. Fight for home field advantage, it works.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

Why should Obama or Romney want to debate?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:16PM EDT (link)

It isn’t to either of their advantage to give the other side a chance to force a stumble.

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Take a lesson from the Dems on the Senate Judiciary, Martin.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:30AM EDT (link)

Don’t do anything until conditions change. (that’s not a business-mindset thing to do, though …)

Further, where was the “taking the case to the voters” halfway through Romney’s first term as Governor? As I understand it, by then he should have realized he was in trouble, but his work to increase the GOP “brand” in Massachusetts – to get himself some allies in the statehouse – failed utterly. (I note that his attempts to get some allies in congress between 2008 and today have been equally undetectable)

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yawn

cfogel1973 Wednesday, February 1st at 11:43AM EDT (link)

Romney always has an excuse for not being a true conservative while running Massachusetts. “I had a liberal congress” is the ultimate default position for a guy that raised fees and taxes on corporations, signed a law equal to Obamacare, and nominated a bunch of liberal activist judges. All this without a democrat congress.

To be fair to Romney ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:26PM EDT (link)

Romney raised fees so the services being paid for can pay for themselves without some extra appropriation from the legislature. i.e. if it costs $20 to produce a hunting license, and the fee for it was $15, Romney raised it to $20. Not particularly anti-conservative.

RomneyCare is horrible. But it was the best out of all the options on the table – Romney is being extremely stupid by not pointing that out. Remember he had a 90% Democrat state legislature – that’s not an excuse, that’s a super-majority.

On the judges issue, please note that Massachusetts has an elected body called the Governor’s Council. The Governor’s Council must approve all Gubernatorial nominations before they can be submitted. The Massachusetts’ Governor’s Council is 100% Democrat.

So .. Romney raised the amount the State takes from taxpayers, Martin?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 4:11PM EDT (link)

Had taxes gone down to match the “reduction of appropriation from the legislature”, that’d be one thing. They didn’t.

As for RomneyCare being horrible, we’re in agreement, but I don’t see where Romney pushed particularly hard against the idea – he seems to have decided “Well, they’re going to do it anyway, I may as well get some credit” …

As for the Governors Council, see my post above re. adopting the Senate Dems approach, i.e. a very public in-your-face “No action until different candidates arrive” standoff.

At some point, Romney has to find a hill to die on, other than adding POTUS to his list of accomplishments. When he does, let me know.

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90% Democrat Legislature ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 5:50PM EDT (link)

This means either he raises fees or he lets it go and taxes go up to cover the shortfall or the state goes further into debt. Either way, he loses.

Massachusetts is insanely liberal and Democratic – doing the hold-my-breath-until-I-turn-blue routine as a Republican Governor wins you nothing.

Unless you can point to something that he could have done that was within his power as Governor and he failed to do beyond vetoing bills (800 of them) …

So .. Romney gets a pass because he ran in a Dem-centric State? That's thin, Martin.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 7:36PM EDT (link)

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No. I don't think so.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:04AM EDT (link)

You need to show me what he could have done differently given the environment he was in.

I can ding him for being so stupid as to run in Massachusetts in the first place. But other than that, I think one needs to acknowledge the limitations he was operating under.

Let me point at the one verifiable egregious error Romney made, then.

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 8:41AM EDT (link)

Romney was preceded by William Weld, Paul Cellucci, and Jane Swift. All three were Republicans, of a northeastern squishy variety.

All three managed to leave the voters with a good enough impression that they decided to elect another Republican.

That’s a pretty low bar, right?

Romney didn’t clear it.

Regardless of the rest of his record, he couldn’t convince voters that they should either re-elect him or elect another Republican.

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The simple reason was that he moved to the Right.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 10:28AM EDT (link)

Significantly more to the Right than Massachusetts’ voters were comfortable with.

By the way, Jane Swift was never elected – she moved up when Cellucci resigned.

Not to mention the fact that 2006 was a very good year for Democrats.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 10:33AM EDT (link)

Every Democrat ran against George W. Bush – including people running for municipal offices.

To illustrate; Bob Ehrlich had a 55% approval rating across the board in Maryland and he still lost because Maryland voters (who are significantly less Democrat than Massachusetts voters) wanted to send Bush a “message.”

Martin, this is getting silly. Either Romney has no record, or he needs to own the lousy one he has.

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 3:59PM EDT (link)

You cannot keep offering excuses while at the same time asking us to accept him as the nominee.

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For good or ill, Romney has a record.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:19PM EDT (link)

And you can legitimately include RomneyCare as part of it.

But you can’t ascribe to him policies and legislation that were passed into law over his objection (veto) simply because he was Governor at the time, especially given the magnitude of the Democrats’ majorities in both Houses of the legislature.

If the Democrats had just five or even ten Representatives above the super majority threshold, I’d agree that he could have made an effort to cobble up a majority here and there. But when their numbers are super majority + 30 …

Are the 800 vetoes part of his record as well? I think they should be …

So we agree, Martin. Romney has a record of failing to swim against the tide.

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:36PM EDT (link)

Trying. Points for trying. But .. not a successful endeavour.

As you know, I mentioned three previous Republicans who managed to get some stuff done. Evidently, they could swim upstream.

You can blame it on the Democrats if you like but they’re not running for the GOP primary.

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For good or ill, Romney has a record.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:27PM EDT (link)

RomneyCare is a part of it. He put forward some policies and even had some things enacted with his active participation.

But I don’t think it is fair to ascribe to him policies and legislation that were passed into law over his objections (and vetoes) simply because he was Governor at the time, especially given the magnitude of the Democrats’ majority in both Houses of the MA legislature.

I’d feel differently if the Democrats exceeded the super majority by 10 or less – then it could legitimately be said that he could have cobbled up a majority here and there. But when it’s +30, it’s an entirely different kettle of fish.

PS: I think the 800 vetoes should be a part of his record too.

 

The man with no record to run against the man with no history...

snowshooze (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:20PM EDT (link)

Ha.
Don’t worry, Romney is re-writing his record.

 
 
 
 
 

He could have run in a red state.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:05PM EDT (link)

Then, no compromise of principles or values would have been necessary.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 
 
 

So basically nothing he did really mattered---should we even consider Romney to have 4 years of executive experience?

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:24AM EDT (link)

If the legislature really did call the shots and he was pretty much the tail on the dog being wagged, does Romney really deserve being creditted with 4 years of experience as goverenor?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Oh I'm sure he got *some* things done.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 10:41AM EDT (link)

The point is that he had no leeway to do anything that would impress conservatives overmuch because of the Democrats’ legislative majorities and their 100% dominance of the Governors’ Council.

If he had been Governor of Connecticut, I’d judge him by a much higher standard. Perhaps the GOP should simply close up shop in Massachusetts and abandon the state completely to the Democrats.

If he couldn't govern as a conservative

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:07PM EDT (link)

he should not have governed. This is a weak excuse.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Perhaps after the 200th veto override, he should have quit the MA Governorship.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:02PM EDT (link)

I’m beginning to think that’s where he went wrong.

A Dem legislature will be his excuse

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:04PM EDT (link)

if he’s elected President too.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

So what's your excuse for not electing a GOP legislature? (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:11PM EDT (link)

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RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

Was this meant to be an intelligent question?

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 8:24PM EDT (link)

First I heard that I was responsible for the make-up of the legislature.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

And Mitt is? (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:14PM EDT (link)

,

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 
 
 

Not 200 vetoes

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:39PM EDT (link)

800 line-item vetoes, most of them applied to specific items in Romney’s budget for the first year. He kind of did pretty much give up after that point, in honesty.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sounds like he was pretty much irrelevant

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:56PM EDT (link)

and a veto takes no political courage if everyone knew they could just be easily overturned.

Did Romney do anything worthwhile as Governor?

What were the 19 tax cuts he always talks about?

Reagan on steroids versus a veto proof Democratic House & Senate.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 5:51PM EDT (link)

Trust me, Reagan on steroids loses.

Funny, Martin. Seems to me Reagan beat Tip O'Neil.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 7:38PM EDT (link)

(the house was under Dem control for 40 years ending in 1994, i.e. Reagan’s entire term and then some…)

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Reagan had a GOP Senate ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:07AM EDT (link)

… and the Democrats did not have a veto-proof majority in the House so I’m not so sure how that challenges my contention.

Reagan versus a veto-proof super majority in both the House and Senate loses.

Reagan also had political skills

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 5:22AM EDT (link)

nt

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

No such thing as a veto-proof majority, Martin.

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 8:43AM EDT (link)

As the Senate under Bush kept showing, there’s always a “gang of {some number}” who will work to undermine the opposition.

Why couldn’t Romney identify and make common cause with some of the Dems in the Massachusetts legislature?

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Add up all the Republicans in the Massachusetts legislature and ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 10:48AM EDT (link)

… 30% (it’s virtually unheard of to have that amount of defection) of the Democrats and Romney still wouldn’t have anything close to a majority to pass legislation.

But he did get some things done;

The verdict: Gov. Romney cut select taxes while in office. And he even proposed some new tax cuts that didn’t pass the legislature — like a 0.3 percentage point reduction in the 5.3% state income tax rate.

But he also had an obligation to balance the state’s budget every year, and when he came into office he was facing a big deficit that he plugged using a mix of spending cuts and revenue increases.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yeah but what did he do?

arthurjake Thursday, February 2nd at 2:19PM EDT (link)

Romneycare, an Aussault Weapons Ban, and appointed extremely liberal judges. No he either curled up or is one of them. So he loses or we get stuck with someone who is much the same.

 
 
 

Are you sure you want that?

Plumb_Bob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:12AM EDT (link)

It is possible that Romney will display enough viciousness to savage President Obama. If you call that a victory, you may be pleased.

If he does surprise us in this manner, it is even more likely that he will surprise us as President, in ways that we may not like so much. If you elect dishonest slime balls, it’s not hard to predict dishonesty and slime.

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We will not have a righteous government again until we become a righteous nation again.

(A collection of my political essays from 2008-2010 can be found at www.plumbbobblog.com. All visitors welcome.)

 
 

Because that is his history

pdawk Wednesday, February 1st at 11:10AM EDT (link)

Laying down and getting run over by others. Give me a break.

Romney may not come out and sound like a stone cold killer when he talks but he most certainly is willing to go for the throat to make sure he succeeds.

 
 

Mitt has not

texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 10:57AM EDT (link)

ever been tarred with the brush Perry was from the get go. Perry needed more than money- he needed to overcome the “Bush retread” suspicions, hostility from the national party leadership, the Texas accent, and sadly, his penchant for bungling or garbling statements. If Romney talked like Haley Barbour, had an “oops” moment of his own that received 24/7 media coverage (Mitt has gaffed, it just doesn’t get played), and had actually done anything that ruffled the feather of party elites, money wouldn’t be helping him either.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

Perry just needed more time

1spark Wednesday, February 1st at 11:02AM EDT (link)

to prepare for the presidency, texashistorian.

No one outside of Texas knew much about him. It helped less that he was making mistakes in front of the live camera.Which made a mockery out of the man.

I hope he comes back with a vengeance next election cycle though.

Perry Reminded Me Of Reagan.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:05AM EDT (link)

In 1968. His future is still before him.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

I'm hoping you're right, RMJ.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:07AM EDT (link)

Hopefully 1976 rather than 1968 … but that’s just me.

Mew

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Problem is that Perry is 61.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:14AM EDT (link)

How old is Gingrich? How old was McCain? How old was Reagan?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:15AM EDT (link)

Agism is an argument without merit, Mr. Knight.

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It Worked Well For Reagan Vs. Mondale.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:27AM EDT (link)

He sympathized quite nicely w/ Walter’s youth and inexperience.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

I had forgotten, RMJ. Thank you.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:37AM EDT (link)

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Romney is 65

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:45AM EDT (link)

Gingrich is 68

Paul is 77

Reagan was almost 70 when he was first elected. He won re-election at 74.

If Perry runs again in 2016, he will still only be 65. If he ran in 2020, he would still only be 69, the same age as Reagan when he first won.

 
 

Reagan

texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:39AM EDT (link)

was what, 57 in 1968? 65 when he challenged Ford in 76? Perry is a youthful and healthy 61. He could stick around for a number of years yet and still not give the impression of being “old.”

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 
 
 
 

Perry ran a crappy campaign. Period.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:05AM EDT (link)

That’s the truth. If we’re going to blame anyone for Rick Perry entering the race as the frontrunner and leaving the race a sad joke, then blame the man himself.

I’ve heard stronger Texan accents that leave you in no doubt that the guy speaking is significantly smarter than you could ever hope to be.

PS:

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:07AM EDT (link)

The “you” above there is not referring to you specifically, texashistorian.

Can't really disagree re. the campaign, Martin.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:13AM EDT (link)

They got hit by Romney (via Rove) right out of the gate, and never really recovered despite achieving front-runner status.

Perry had his back surgery scheduled too late, should not have tried to do the debates while in pain or medicated. Debates didn’t matter much in Texas, apparently, but they sure cost him in this race.

The campaign messaging was all over the place, as Erick frequently reported.

This cat is hoping that Perry will once again show his ability to learn form his mistakes, and will try again.

Mew

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Until I found out that most of the filing deadlines had passed ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:19AM EDT (link)

… I was harboring the hope that Perry would suddenly announce an unsuspending of his campaign and ride the media interest into the history books.

This is real life though.

More’s the pity.

Agreed, Martin. In a broader context ...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:26AM EDT (link)

If Romney wins, I’m guessing 2016 is going to look a lot like 1992….

If Romney loses, though .. 2016 starts looking like 1980.

No clear Dem nominee. (are they going to nominate Plugs Biden?)
Gingrich, the also-ran in 2012, is unlikely to be “the next in line guy”.

There’s opportunity for a Mike Pence or a Rick Perry to try another outsider run.

Mew

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Hopefully next time Perry

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:53AM EDT (link)

will never have anyone remotely connected to the Bushies, Rove and Karen Hughes any where near his campaign. It was sad to read that the Politico report, that his campaign was doing alot of infighting, was mostly correct. Yup he needed to get those that had national campaign experience on his staff quicker than he did, but to go with a big time former Bushie was deadly. I’ve read that as soon as Joe Allbaugh came to town, the rest of his staff went into the slumps, and the wind was taken out of their sails. Allbaugh was the one responsible, from what I’ve read, for Perry blowing almost his entire warchest in Iowa.

I doubt it was Allbaugh at the root of Perry's problems ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:17PM EDT (link)

If anything, I think it was Allbaugh who made his 53-second brain freeze a survivable injury. Let’s not forget that Bushies at least got their man elected President.

The fact is that Perry failed to tout his record in Texas effectively, failed to rebut charges that made Texas out to be some Third World country, made virtually no effort to be new media relevant, etc.

Worst of all, his Campaign failed to adjust itself to the national environment. They entered the race and ran it as if the nation was some macrocosm of Texas.

Ultimately though, the reason Perry failed was Perry. Hopefully we’ve not seen the last of him but I doubt he’ll ever run for the Oval Office again.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and perceptions

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:53PM EDT (link)

It doesn’t make either of us right or wrong, we just happen to disagree.

If Allbaugh helped Perry to get passed his oops moment, he failed. To this day that moment is played and replayed on all of the MSM channels, including Fox. Yet Romney’s debate comment about not being able to have illegals working on his property, because he was running for office has not been replayed, and his $10,000 bet with Perry was played only a few times, even on the leftists channels. The next day, even many of the LSM hosts had laughed at themselves while admitting that they have forgotten things, or lost their train of thought, right in the middle of newsbroadcasts, and said yup, it’s pretty embarrassing. Ever see when a commercial break comes on at some very odd moments? Even with the radio talking heads? I guess presidential candidates, and presidents, are expected to be perfect, at all times. Does this come to mind?- There’s an old saying in Tennessee, and I guess in Texas also. Fool me once……shame on………..you, shame on you. …..If you fool me, I can’t get fooled again? Crap happens!

Yes, Bushies got their man elected in 2000, Allbaugh, Rove and Hughes managed it “barely.” Remember the hanging and pregnant chad debacle? I wouldn’t exactly consider W one of the great debaters. Didn’t he not know some world leaders name in a debate?

Why did Cain go flying high in the polls? He was supposed to be such a great debater, right? That’s when foreign policy was almost never addressed, except when he said yet again, if you are not a friend of Israel, you are not a friend of the US. And when in doubt, just shout, nein, nein, nein. Remember the 20ft high fence, electrified, with signs in English and Spanish saying if you touch this it will kill you? 999. Remember guns are a states rights issue? 999. Remember no muslims in my presidential cabinet? 999. Can anyone forget him asking the questioners if Libya was the one with Gadafi? 999. All excused, and written off as rookie or outsider mistakes. Ever see any of those embarrassing moments replayed, over and over? I don’t. I’ll take Perry’s oops moment in a heartbeat.

Some thought the debates were the true and only test of a candidates qualifications for the presidency. I never did, as governing records tell so much more about who you are going to put in the biggest job in the land. The last thing I would do is to rely on Wallace, Hume, Krauthammer, Baier, Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity et al to give me a fair assessment of all the candidates, their records, and their accomplishments. Governing and/or voting records are now out the window in importance.

I’m confused with you claiming that Perry didn’t do enough to promote his successful record as Texas Gov., and then turn around and say that he used his Texas record too much, and didn’t go national enough. I would think that taking the jobs, economy, tort and lawsuit reform, businesses running to Texas in droves and etc. would be a message that would resonate nationally. I would think that Perry’s tax proposal, his energy proposal, and all of his strong military and veteran positions would have been something many would have been interested in learning about, without Perry having to blow through his campaign cash in order to put out there in less than 1 minute ads. From everything I read, from those on the ground, when Perry carried those messages in his townhalls, those ideas went over very well with those attending. I’ve read that when people met Perry in person, he sold them over with his charm and likability. Unless you attended one of those events, you never got to see that side of Perry. Weren’t some of those exit polled in Iowa the ones that said that they really liked Perry, and thought he had great plans, but didn’t think he was electable, so they probably voted for Romney. They’ve been told for months and months that Romney was the only one electable, and that he was the inevitable candidate, and only he can beat Obama.

I’ve said, on more than one occasion, that Perry didn’t run a perfect campaign, but do you really believe that his campaign had any chance when the long knives started coming out after him, in many cases even before he got in the race. That was back when some Tea Parties were going to Texas to beg him to get in the race, and that they would back him if he did. Too bad he did what they asked him to do, and then they abandoned him like a hot potato.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you, Scope, for an excellent analogy!

avagreen Wednesday, February 1st at 2:02PM EDT (link)

…….of what happened in this latest comedy-crime that is being called an “election”.

Excellent comeback to the carpers who repeat only what the MSM and FOX propaganda machines have prepared for the masses.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

ava- The only thing I forgot to include

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 4:10PM EDT (link)

is the fact that the Tea Parties are now obsolete. Even though most of them only ever got on the fiscal discipline issue, in Fla. at least, half of them went all in for the liberal with an R after his name. There is nothing fiscally responsible about Romneycare, and that is only the one issue.

I’m laughing today, every one of the dozens of times CNN has played and replayed his comments about not being worried about the very poor. They just showed him talking to a reporter on the plane, and said the exactly same thing again, and that was supposed to be damage control. LOL They also just showed him being glitterbombed. He got up on the stage and said that glitter isn’t the only thing he has in his hair. He said he glues his hair on every morning. The perfect Ken Doll that has now found a voice, and like his singling America, it ain’t beautiful. Ginny Moss I think is her name on CNN, has done a fantastic job of playing him singing, back to back with Obama singing. Hate to admit it, but Obama beats him with a broom in singing. He is getting very goofy, corny, and rich guy nerdy. I’ve stocked up on popcorn, this comedy show is getting good.

Oh Really?

countryroad2012 Thursday, February 2nd at 8:58AM EDT (link)

I would take a common voice lifted up to sing America the Beautiful anytime over O singing one line of an Pop song! When is the last time you heard Our President singing anything good about America?
I find it uplifting that Romney would sing with the people in the audience a song that describes our belief in this great Country!!!!
So stuff it! It also makes all of you that says he is Mr. Perfect and turns those criticisms on there head! The man is just a man with really good work ethics can you say the same of O?

 
 
 

Rick Perry was betrayed by Rick Perry.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 6:30PM EDT (link)

I’m confused with you claiming that Perry didn’t do enough to promote his successful record as Texas Gov., and then turn around and say that he used his Texas record too much, and didn’t go national enough.

The part in bold and italics is something I never said – you’re confusing me with someone else.

Moving on, the 53 second moment did not cement Perry’s fate. The media played it over and over again but by the end of the week, it was acknowledged as a human moment, thanks in large part to Perry taking the lead in making fun of himself. It didn’t help that it reinforced the narrative of him not being too bright but by and large it had been neutralized.

Perry could have followed up with major in-depth one-on-one interviews about his economic and energy plans, held a couple of townhall Q&As and uploaded them to YouTube and completely killed it. But he didn’t.

For some reason, you seem to think the rules shouldn’t apply to Rick Perry. Otherwise, why are you so surprised that voters didn’t troop en masse to google his record? When have they ever done so? You think they’d do so simply because he’s Rick Perry?

Furthermore, I have seen a (poor quality) YouTube video of him doing a townhall. I’ve seen him do interviews. He comes off as likable and quite smart. But do you honestly think people would be spending millions on TV ads if townhalls had the same reach as TV?

Someone here (either NightTwister or Flagstaff) remarked that it would be cool if he did plenty more of these townhalls and interviews, created a YouTube channel (like Christie) and had them recorded and uploaded so more than just the people who attended these events would see them.

Easy and cheap way to get his message across and create a good impression of himself to millions of voters. But he didn’t.

Simple and short, he ran a bad campaign. His messaging and communications operations were horrible and his people were incompetent. You can’t blame any of that on anyone other than Rick Perry himself.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I do agree

texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:37AM EDT (link)

I think Perry ran a poor campaign when it was all said and done. I was just addressing the point above that money hasn’t really mattered to Romney’s campaign. Submariner was suggesting that money doesn’t really explain Mitt’s campaign success (such as it is) by comparing him to Perry who had loads of bucks and flopped. I think the comparison sucks for reason that have nothing to do with funding. But yes, Perry did himself in to a degree.

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.

- Paul Johnson

 
 
 
 

Advertisements only win over mush.

sulmak (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:46AM EDT (link)

Mush doesn’t look into to things further than advertisements and TV news.

Mush is the entirety of Romney’s base, the same was not the case for Perry.

 

Soulless shark with vacant eyes

parsoned Wednesday, February 1st at 11:49AM EDT (link)

To what end? Romney is not only a liberal political chameleon. He is what every Establishment Republican from Mitch McConnell on down is: a soulless shark with vacant eyes whose only desire is to feed on and exercise power.

I will waste my vote on a 3rd party before I EVER vote for a Ford/Bush I/Dole/McCain/Romney again.

I’m leaving the plantation.

Ed Groover

 

I'd prefer a nominee that can win on substance.

clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:04PM EDT (link)

And Rick Perry never outspent an opponent 15 to 1 or had the media on his side.

I prefer a nominee that can win

lapert Wednesday, February 1st at 2:17PM EDT (link)

Maybe Perry should of outspent his opponents 15 to 1 or got the media on his side because what he did do failed miserably.

 
 

sub, you are missing the point,

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 5:03PM EDT (link)

Perry fell flat in the early debates and took himself out, he wasn’t knocked out by Romney attack-ads. If you think that Romney would have won Florida if Newt had the same money as Romney you are kidding yourself. Call it whining if you like, the fact is money bought the Florida election and Romney won’t have the money advantage in the general election.

 
 

The most negative campaign in history, no hyperbole

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:06AM EDT (link)

From http://kantarmediana.com/cmag, via http://floppingaces.net/2012/01/31/the-most-negative-primary-campaign-in-history-or-how-to-buy-a-nomination-by-mitt-romney/:

Of the 1,012 spots Newt Gingrich’s campaign ran, 95% were negative. Mitt Romney’s campaign ran 3,276 ads and 99% were negative.

The two super PACs supporting the top candidates were more divergent in their ad strategies. Restore our Future, supporting Romney, ran 4,969 spots, all of which were negative. The Gingrich-backing Winning our Future ran 1,893 spots, and only 53% were negative.

Correspondingly, the bulk of ads in Florida – 68% – were negative toward Gingrich. Twenty-three percent were anti-Romney spots. Gingrich got support from 9% of ads while pro-Romney spots accounted for less than 0.1%.

I read elsewhere that the only pro-Romney ad was an ad that got ran once on a Spanish station.

Mitt Romney can’t win without outspending and dragging his opponents into the muck. Ergo, Romney can’t defeat Obama.

PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

Of course, Romney can defeat Obama.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:08AM EDT (link)

Why throw in the towel?

Is this supposed to make people vote for Newt?

Victory is possible, Martin, but not guaranteed. I also question ...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:39AM EDT (link)

the extent to which Romney could achieve victory.

His milquetoast mein isn’t going to lend itself to coattails, and will likely cost us some close House and Senate and Statehouse races that, with a candidate who can lead from the front, we could take.

I don’t see Romney as the best candidate of the bunch.

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Given how aggressive he is, Romney doesn't strike me as a milquetoast.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:55PM EDT (link)

Milquetoast was John McCain refusing to aggressively take on Obama or say a word in defense of his running mate as she was being pounded from all angles by his former friends in the Press.

Voters vote for a variety of superficial reasons – if he can make the argument that Obama is in over his head and corrupt while simply exuding competence the way he does, he can sway voters and win.

… even if he’s not the best candidate of the bunch. In a perfect world, we’d have Willard Newt Perry – with Mitt’s private sector record, discipline and killer instinct, Newt’s forensic skills and idea factory of a mind and Perry’s military and gubernatorial record.

If Perry had run anything other than the cookie-cutter stupid campaign he ran, he’d have been a much better choice.

It didn’t work out that way.

Martin, if Romney were being aggressive about things like

lineholder (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:00PM EDT (link)

cutting spending, utilizing free-market options as a way to change the economic trajectory we’re on, getting government out of the way, restoring freedoms and liberties by eliminating overly-intrusive government programs like Obamacare, etc. etc., I’d be much more comfortable about the idea of supporting him.

But just about every other word out of the man’s mouth has to do with his ideas on how government can “fix” things for us.

I don’t know about you, but I’m sick to the gills of how the government has been “helping”us. They are leading us the way of Greece in the process, which is about as foolish as it gets.

 

Being tough on conservatives and soft on D's is precisely what Romney is

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:03PM EDT (link)

a McCain 2.0 without the war hero street cred.

Romney calls Newt crazy and a liar, but Obama is just in over his head.

Where has Romney been tough on the left? I would settle for one solid example, but I don’t see one.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

I wish I'd said that, JSobieski.

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:12PM EDT (link)

It’s exactly what I was thinking. You just beat me to it.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

 

JSobieski, given that Romney likes "progressive" ideas

lineholder (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:29PM EDT (link)

I seriously doubt he’s going to challenge the left on much of anything.

If you really stop to think about it, that this is the kind of mindset he truly has, then the reasons he calls Newt crazy, says the intrusiveness of O-care “isn’t worth getting angry about”, and looks down on Conservatives (for the most part) make a lot more sense.

 

"Where has Romney been tough

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 5:11PM EDT (link)

on the left? I would settle for one solid example, but I don’t see one.”

BINGO

 
 

Show me this aggression of Romney's, Martin.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:49PM EDT (link)

Where, in the early debates, did he “score” on someone else?

Where has he given a passionate and inspiring speech?

What does he give a crap about, besides adding POTUS to his legacy?

I don’t see it.

Further, I am not alone in not seeing it, and if the guy can’t pivot and bring some heat, he’s not going to help the down-ticket races much.

We need a blowout in 2012, we need a President with a mandate for change, even if the President is Romney…. but he just doesn’t seem to understand how to campaign with any fire.

Mew

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Do you think Romney will pick a VP that's anywhere near as conservative as Palin?

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:05PM EDT (link)

The only smart thing McCain did his whole campaign was to pick Palin as his VP. Whether it was on purpose or accidental, McCain needed enthusiasm from the conservative base to have a chance against Obama, and he got it with Palin. McCain/Palin had a lead over Obama/Biden before the economic collapse in mid-September.

Who would Romney pick as VP? I’ll bet you $100 Romney’s VP would not be as conservative as Palin. Romney has also poisoned the well and salted the fields against the base with his barrage of negative attacks. McCain at least didn’t have that albatross around his neck.

PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

I expect Romney to pick a conservative tea-party type as veep ... and promptly ignore him or her.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:12PM EDT (link)

The old model of picking a different regional candidate, i.e. JFK picking LBJ or Nixon picking Agnew and then Ford no longer applies… as much.

The new model is to pick someone from a different ideological wing of the party, thus Reagan picking Bush, and Bush picking Quayle*.

I expect Romney, a northeastern moderate, to pick either a Texas tea partier or a strong southern social-conservative with tea party leanings. The ideals would look like DeMint or Rubio – with Rubio’s potential for hispanic outreach being very useful to Willard.

I would not, however, expect Romney to pick a “name” – it’ll be someone we’ve heard of but not thought of in the context of the vice presidency, just as Palin came out of nowhere – relatively speaking. Gov. Martinez would be one potential pick, Texas Lt. Gov Dewhurst would be another.

Mew

* Say what you like about J. Danforth, his conservative record is solid.

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Even if Romney were to get Reagan as a VP...

brand (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 3:09PM EDT (link)

in that hypothetical world, it wouldn’t impact the vote. Palin could only do so much with McCain; and Rubio would do only so much for Romney.

As Palin said, you can put lipstick on a pig… it’s not going to change the fact that Romney governed as a Democrat’s dream of a Republican.

All Palin got for McCain was a second look.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 7:39PM EDT (link)

It was still up to McCain to close the deal .. and he failed.

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Pundits pontificate for a living

alreadyexists Wednesday, February 1st at 11:13AM EDT (link)

Sometimes, they say what they believe. Sometimes, they say what they think others want to hear. Sometimes, they say things with a hidden agenda. Sometimes, they say things that draw attention to themselves. And sometimes, they speak the truth.

At 65 to 1 in ads, Romney got less than half the votes. That speaks volumes.

 

The insane money is sickening, especially the PAC setups

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:21AM EDT (link)

This needs to be simplified.

Like one person, one vote, there needs to be transparency on every donation. Set some limit per person for contributions. Individuals giving to campaigns directly, only.

Gingrich was right that candidates should be responsible for their money and all their advertising. This PAC excuse stuff is disgusting. Who are we kidding that candidates don’t have input on their PACs? What a joke.

I’d even support a campaign spending cap. It would show that a candidate could actually manage a budget. You know, like they are supposed to do in DC.

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche

PACs are no different than partisan news agencies

sulmak (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:50AM EDT (link)

That is why the supreme court ruled the way they did.

Do you really think Obama has no input on MSNBC? what a joke.

 
 

If it's money and the ad wars only

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 11:32AM EDT (link)

Then what happened to Rick Perry who outspent everyone I believe in Iowa? I don’t buy for a minute that it’s the money and the ads. Last night on CNN, John King showed some interesting exist poll information. It showed that the debates and the ads were mostly ignored by those polled. They said that those things did not make up their minds. The “electability” meme, pushed over and over by Romney and his surrogates, with the help of a complicit media is what drove there votes.

I think most people say that, but when 92% of the ads were negative, and Newt is up by 8 one week

center77 (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:46PM EDT (link)

but after a week of overwhelming negative ads aimed at him, then he is down 8 point, and loses by over 15, I would say ads have a huge impact, that and the media covering what the establishment types such as Dole, McCain, and others say day in and day out, we see a huge turn around.

Romney will win if Santorum stays in, but if he drops out anytime soon, then we will see a close race between Romney and Newt.

My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.

Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

www.timothy-bladel.com

“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)

5 (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:07PM EDT (link)

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PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

 
 
 

This is exacty what will happen for the next 46 states

center77 (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:33PM EDT (link)

I do not think it would have been this bad if conservatives had rallied around Perry. The issue seems to be that Newt is not pulling in the kind of Money Romney and Perry have and had. That is not going to change the fact that we are very likely to have Romney as the nominee.

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Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.

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Propping up Newt

NickDeringer (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:42PM EDT (link)

OK let’s play magic math. If Romney crushed Newt by running ads 65/1 against Newt, how will Newt do when One-bama and his billion dollar campaign war chest with the help of the entire MSM run ads 1000/1 against Newt?

Popcorn!! Get your popcorn!!

How does Romney do against Obama and his war chest???

texastaxpayer (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 12:59PM EDT (link)

It’s fact that less than 1% of Romney’s ads where positive about himself. The rest of the millions he spent were negative about Newt. South Carolina he lost big time without this tactic. So he can’t win with his own record he has to trash his competition. While this seems to work when he has a 5 to 1 advantage. However there are two things to consider for the general.
1) Obama has outraised everyone combined. He will have a billion dollar war chest to attack Romney with. No chance of Romney pulling this 5 to 1 trick on Obama.
2) while Obama has a low job approval his personal numbers are very high. People like him, thats not the case for mittens. This means it will be very hard for Mitt to effectively attack Obama’s character like he does Newt. More over Romney is a wimp, his attacks are weak and timid at best. Even his much touted debates in Florida came off as disingenuous at best.

If your still trying the electability argument your falling short. All things being equal and in this case they are, Newt is the better choice. He is a fighter and that is what this is going to be. A down in the mud no holes barred gutter fight.

“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston

A lot better than Newt

NickDeringer (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 1:45PM EDT (link)

Here’s how it works:

Romney beats Newt.
Obama beats Romney.
Therefore Obama beats Newt.

In mathmetical terms: 10 is greater than 5 which is greater than 1

Therefore 10 is greater than 1.

Your logic is beyond laughable.

Actually it's your logic thats laughable...

texastaxpayer (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:02PM EDT (link)

Romney beats Newt with lies smears and a ridiculous electability argument that I have forced every Romney supporter to resort to at least half a dozen times. “But Mitt does better against Obama in polls 11 months out from the election.” How many of your posts use some variation of this farce? What you are to blind to see is that Romney is tailor made for Obama and the campaign he is running.
He has no economic record, Obama can point to his failure as governor (ranked 47th remember) to dismiss his claims that he can trim around the economy.
His private sector record will be of little help. Unless of course you think his history of Medicare fraud is going to help him in the general?
He has flip flopped on every major issue of our day so so much for attacking Obama’s character.
He designed obamacare and passed it first so no attacking him there.
He raised taxes and fees to “balance” his budgets while creating new deficits inducing entitlements so there goes that line of attack.
He pioneered the very environmental legislation in Massachusetts Obama has been advocating. He pushed cap and trade and advocated for green energy subsidies much like Obama did with solyndra. So there goes that issue as well.

What pitiful little clowns supporting Romney van seem to get through their ridiculous heads is that Romney can’t attack Obama’s record. It is a mirror image of his own. At least Newt can give voters a choice on the ballot. That’s how he beats Obama, because unlike Romney he can actually launch a credible campaign.

“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston

5 (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 2:08PM EDT (link)

..

PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

 
 

Logic

remalimo Friday, February 3rd at 10:37AM EDT (link)

Using your logic O beat Mc., Mc be Mit. So the R’s don’t have a chance!

EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.

 
 
 
 

Romney's MO

redmymind (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 3:29PM EDT (link)

1. Buy the votes.
2. Trash your opponent.
3. Avoid talking about your own record.

BHO’s MO

1. Buy the votes.
2. Trash your opponent.
3. Avoid talking about your own record.

Advantage: BHO

1. BHO has more money and the incumbency to his benefit.
2. BHO is a better orator than BHO-Lite even without his teleprompter.
3. BHO knows how to connect with the people, regardless of his BS.
4. BHO-Lite cannot distinguish himself enough from BHO.

Romney = GOP Obama

joereagan Wednesday, February 1st at 6:14PM EDT (link)

Agreed. The Romney campaign is proving the same thing the Obama campaign proved. If you have the media on your side and enough money, you can stand back and mouth empty platitudes while your opponents are destroyed, and you win easily.

If this is what politics in America now amounts to, if 2008 was not a fluke and the voters are now permanently dumb enough to fall for it, then we are nearly at the end of democracy.

Those of us who see what’s happening and try to fight it are apparently not strong enough to win. The big money and big power of the elites will always get what it wants if they set their mind to it. And the people are now stupid and uninformed enough to fall for it every time.

 
 

Gingrich is challenging FL' s winner take all over proportional

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 6:18PM EDT (link)

Why has it been assumed that FL was winner take all?

I thought all primaries before (april?) were proportional.

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that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”
-Ben Stein

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Whining after the fact

znjs (Diary) Wednesday, February 1st at 6:55PM EDT (link)

I had heard earlier that a challenge could be made to Florida being winner-take-all, but was hoping the candidates would either make the challenge before the vote or not do it all. *sigh*

 
 

War Chest Guranantees Win

littletboca (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:09AM EDT (link)

The analysis of the 2012 Presidential race by the experts, the media and the hopefuls has nothing to do with anything. If you want to get a feel for the winner in 2012, probably the best bet is to check the size of his war chest and throw in the Liberal News Media along with Soros, Code Pink etc. and you can pretty much pick the winner.

bs, Carter had the same advantages

demsaresatanic Thursday, February 2nd at 5:26PM EDT (link)

and Reagan sunk him.

 
 

THE CHALLENGE

ariyosef (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:40AM EDT (link)

The CHALLENGE:
is
To REMAIN RIGHT.
… True to TRUTH.

With Lights bright on LIES and LIARS.
Let no LIE remain UNCHALLENGED.

REASON RESPONSIBLY and RIGHTLY.

VICTORY is not Today’s Goal.
Tomorrow thrives on Truth.
Truth articulated needs no apology.
CLEAR VISION is tomorrow’s Victory!

NO COMPROMISE IS WORTH FAILING the TRUTH
When UN Compromised, PRINCIPLE PREVAILS.

Ron Paul is winning that race!
FRUSTRATION (with most politicians)
fuels Paul’s followers.
They will achieve a brokered convention.

Be Prepared for an unwanted (but deserved) LEADER:
(BHO or BHO-lite)

Work Tirelessly NOW! To
Elect local Senates, Representatives, Governors (servants of truth)
Who have the SPINE for TRUTH.

A LESSON LEARNED is LIBERTY.
FREEDOM is as FREEDOM does.

STAND for CONSTITUTION, REPUIBLIC, REASON, TRUTH
and a GOD FEARING AMERICA
or
FALL UNDER THE BUS of JUDGMENT.

That Bus is BHO and all the LIES of poor leaders.

Principle & Truth Trump Politics.
Truth, Faith, Freedom, Fortitude prevail when We STAND, then Creator FIGHTS.
Quitters lose. with no damage to ENEMY & forfeit rewards except due a sluggard.

 

Is there always an excuse?

ncconservative2007 Thursday, February 2nd at 10:42AM EDT (link)

Do we always have to have an excuse, a reason why Mitt does well ? The argument on the value of negative adverts pre-disposes the GOP electorate is stupid and easily swayed. I think they saw Newt undressed at the debate, and the reason the ads against Newt resonated is HE was fined by the House, he DID sit with Pelosi on the global warming spot.

Why are the romneybots always whining?

gfrgfr Thursday, February 2nd at 6:20PM EDT (link)

How many times do we have to explain to you people that Newt WAS NOT fined by the house. He agreed to pay expenses in order to put the investigation to an end. He was cleared of ALL charges.

I think we need to make up lies about Willard The Rat just the same way that he makes up lies about Newt:

1) Romney wears frilly underwear
2) Romney belongs to a church that practices polygamy
3) Romney is a Bishop in the Mormon church
4) Romney voted for democrats over republicans
5) Romney strapped his dog to the roof of his station wagon and drove for hundreds of miles with the dog pooing all over his car.
6) Romney was arrested by the Environmental Police and got one of his friends who was a judge to quash the charges.

Oh wait – all of those things are true – never mind.

 
 

Eric's 65:1 coment is right on target

mayflower Thursday, February 2nd at 3:07PM EDT (link)

RE: Romney’s “victory” in Florida. I think it is a TERRIBLE MODEL for democracy that the person with the biggest check wins public office.

Is that really how we want to govern this country – no winning by IDEAS, character, ability – just poll driven drivel spewed onto a zillion negative ads and into the living rooms of the gullible?

That Citizens United decision was a nail in our coffin. Romney’s model for victory is a disgrace.

Democrat retread troll account. Disregard all commentary.

The Citizens United decision was a victory for Free Speech.

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:06PM EDT (link)

Nothing stopped you and other like-minded people from coming together to buy ads of your own.

Buying ads

gfrgfr Thursday, February 2nd at 6:25PM EDT (link)

Perhaps the small matter that we are not all worth $200 MILLION stopped us from doing that.

Citizens United was a victory because it allowed Republican Corporate donors to offset the giant union contributions that had always been allowed.

If Citizens United had not passed it would have made precisely ZERO difference to Willard The Rat’s media buy in Florida. He would not have been limited in any way because he was spending his own money.

Then your problem is with the "gullible people" ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:34PM EDT (link)

I’m always suspicious of people who seek to limit free speech in order to protect some other people from being “improperly” influenced.

PS: Corporations donate to Democrats too – sometimes more than they donate to Republicans. It’s doesn’t fit the narrative, but it is none the less true.

 

Maybe American politics isn't for you

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:47PM EDT (link)

Maybe you should try Iran, where they decide who gets to run and who doesn’t, and open debate isn’t an issue.

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 
 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 6:44PM EDT (link)

Retread.

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65:1 But Romney has played his whole hand.

snowshooze (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:36PM EDT (link)

He has a dirtpile campaign against Newt.
Newt, to his credit.. is guilty of a good percentage of it.
But now that all that is out for all to see…
What can Romney come up with for fresh material?
Issues? Newt will have a better chance debating issues.
Romney has thrown all his mud, now he is out.
So… what else is there to debate?
Issues. Newt will butcher him on those.
Oh, and kicking on Obama, Romney is pretty good at kicking, so he might do ok kicking Obama, possibly better than Newt…
Romney has played his entire repetoire.
Now, he will actually have to say something genuine.
Oh.. he did.

 

not just money

surlycurmudgen Friday, February 3rd at 10:10AM EDT (link)

The dem machines where turned loose also.

Fraudulent voting machines: Visit a cemetery, take down all the names, use addresses that are easy to monitor (mailboxes etcetera) burn copies of signature cards, at election time request absentee ballots, pair up ballots and signature cards, fill out and mail back.

ONE STOLEN ELECTION. ISN”T THAT SPECIAL!