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CPAC: Not Quite Like the Media Matters Communications Room. But Still, Grow Up.

UPDATE: Melissa Clouthier has taken on the task of writing the same point about the young women, too many of whom were even more scantily clad than some of Fox News hosts.

Stephen Glass was a fabulist. He made up stories and eventually he was caught. I read somewhere he wants to be a lawyer now, but his contrition is in doubt.

One of the things he made up was a story on CPAC. He may have made it up, but I think he got it right nonetheless.

After RedState got started in July of 2004, blogging on the right became all the rage, though it was correlation and not causation. By 2005, CPAC had a Bloggers Row and I went for my first time. The event was held that year at the Reagan Center in Washington, D.C. Most of the attendees stayed across the street at the JW Marriott. It was not an ideal venue, but it was my first time and I did not know better.

Being the good, intrepid blogger, I ran across the street to a CVS to buy a notepad, having left mine in my office back in Macon, GA. There in line were a half dozen young men, each with CPAC credentials around their necks and each buying condoms.

That is part of life on the college circuit. Young men, regardless of political persuasion or ideology, are intent on having sex, being boys, getting drunk — doing what young men in college often do. All to often there are also a few young ladies willing to shame their parents if their parents only knew.

But — and I wouldn’t be writing any of this had I not had a series of email exchanges on this subject in the past few days — I am more than a bit shocked by the young men at CPAC this year who just seemingly refuse to grow up or act their age. More troubling, while in 2005 it seemed to be just college kids, as the years have passed it is not just the 18 to 21 year old set, but the twenty and thirty somethings who just can’t seem to grow up. It’s like they started out at CPAC this way in college and each year at their CPAC reunion descend back to their freshman year rush week.

This is more and more common in society and none of us should expect that a behavior increasingly common in society should not spill over into any event including CPAC, but just because something is common does not mean it is responsible or acceptable.

We can be thankful that CPAC is not like the communications war room at Media Matters. But it should be much more than that. The young men and women who go to CPAC are often present or future leaders on their college campuses and within the conservative movement. They go to CPAC and are often on near equal terms at CPAC with people much older than themselves. Unfortunately, too many treat CPAC like spring break.

More than a few of the twenty and thirty somethings who go to CPAC seem to treat it like an extension of their college days doing their best to hook up before passing out. It’s not the majority to be sure, but it is a noticeable minority.

I am not even sure that there is a solution to the problem. But we should not think it is anything but a problem. It is not every young man, but there are many. They risk dragging the whole affair down to some bawdy, rowdy distraction. They risk embarrassing themselves and the conservative movement. They risk the perception premised on their own actions that conservative men of a certain age think that good manners and decorum around women of the same age is unneeded or unwanted.

This is not to say CPAC cannot and should not be fun. This is not to say that CPAC cannot and should not be a party. But it is to say that I hope the college groups bussing in students next year, the out of college set there to network, and CPAC itself encourage behavior we all too often don’t talk about anymore in our society — the behavior of gentlemen. Eat, drink, smoke, be merry, but be chivalrous too. There really is, regardless of your age, no need to play the cad at CPAC to score points with conservative ladies.

Conservatives should, first and foremost, want to conserve the basics and good behavior should remain a basic characteristic of the conservative movement. As conservatives, we believe in self-government. With that belief comes the duty of personal responsibility. We should accept that duty as the opportunity to do what is right, not as license to behave like fools.

It really is time to embrace again the concept of growing the hell up.

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COMMENTS

  • WillWong

    Writing this. Guess we conservatives do not have the market cornered on good morals.

  • pdawk

    May have to check it out next year.

  • Rudy

    -They are using condoms
    -Aren’t raping people
    -Aren’t sleeping in tents outside
    -They go back home and get Jobs (eventually)

    It could be worse. LOL

    But it could be better too. Well Said Erick. “GTHU”

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  • lizfstone

    …to buy coffee Sat morning at the Marriott, a student in line behind me was asking how much everything was at the coffee stand, obviously strapped for cash. I turned around and told him I would pay as I was proud he was there. We engaged in a great discussion about the candidates and the future of the United States. He was very grateful and considerate.

  • carolina

    for a bunch of college kids, which only encourages a ‘spring break’ attitude.
    Thank you for speaking up Eric.

  • Juggernaut

    though conventions do bring out the party animal in some. Proves some aren’t committed towards anything more than a self serving vacation which is how some see DC politics and how staffers act most days. Eddie Murphy called DC “the promised land”. Sounds like CPAC was had a few distinguished gentlemen and ladies.

  • Tbone

    In line at the CVS. :-)

  • bfelger

    Without getting into details, the level of debauchery I observed at the national convention was enough to make me quit politics of any sort until I was well out of college. I’m saddened to see this sort of thing still occurs.

  • sbm1

    I never understood why the people who spent a semester in washington always came back gushing about it, and then were very cliquy….I just figured it was poli-sci porn…..but now I understand better.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    As the mother of a young man in college, I can’t say I blame the young men for at least looking (or maybe leer is the more appropriate word) based on the lewd way some young women dress, act and talk these days. Apparently, there are more than a few moms and dads who don’t care how their daughters dress. They’re the same ones who complain when little Johnnie looks at little Susie in an inappropriate way.

    I’ll leave it at that with my thanks to Erick for the diary.

  • Common_Cents

    for the straw poll and to cheer every time he said severe conservative?

  • redmymind

    Unless one leads by example, all the clever arguments in the world would simply amount to idle chatter. The duality between what one says and what one actually does is at the heart of all corruption.

    The fall of Adam had three effects:

    1. It clouded our intellect and our ability to reason with clarity at all times.

    2. It weakened our will to pursue the good (God’s will).

    3. It set our passions to rebel against our intellect and will.

    We have since needed God’s truth (Divine Revelation, self-evident moral principles) to guide our intellect, which would in turn exercise its authority over our unruly passions.

    Given all this, what kind of “principled” leadership can be truly expected of those one day who so readily abdicate to their passions today?

    As weak and erring humans, none of us are exempt from the great temptations life throws at us. Even the just man, as the Good Book says, falls seven times, only to pick himself back up again each time.

    The point is not that we humans fail and fail miserably at times, despite the best of our intentions. It’s that we not get trapped in a state of self-satisfaction, thinking that there can be a comfortable duality in our lives as long as we delude ourselves as being principled conservatives.

    Our actions will speak louder than our words . . . or the badges or the credentials we proudly flash before the world. The world will see us for who we really are one day, if not today.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  • benjaminz

    Unfortunately, college (and early professional) republicans are typically products of the fraternity culture that has got out of hand with respect to absolute moral debauchery.

    Stephen Glass was unfortunately accurate; cocaine and prostitutes are not uncommon.

    The worst part is that amongst young university educated adults this has become something of a cliche which only further pushes America’s youth towards the left.

  • lazlor

    “That is part of life on the college circuit. Young men, regardless of political persuasion or ideology, are intent on having sex, being boys, getting drunk ? doing what young men in college often do. All to often there are also a few young ladies willing to shame their parents if their parents only knew.”

    Double standard much?

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    With four kids ages 23-33, I have long been in the crucible of the social ‘situation’ in which young people find themselves. Remember who has been educating them, entertaining them, and otherwise shaping their world.

    Be thankful any young people are there. Let’s hope we rub off on them.

  • edintexas

    You know, the one about what it takes to dance the Tango.

  • acat

    Every year, he gets out the needle-nose pliers, takes the cover off the thermostat in his classroom, and bends it a little, so the displayed temperature is 5 degrees warmer than the actual temperature.

    He finds that, a few weeks into the school year, the girls start to dress more .. appropriately .. for his classes.

    Perhaps we could encourage the CPAC venues to cool things off .. literally!

    Mew

  • edintexas

    I didn’t think Eric was writing about the tendency of some young men with approbation. There usually is a greater degree of responsibility placed on young women because, short of rape, to them falls the greater degree of responsibility to keep the hormones in check. It may not be fair, but it is life (and has been for a very long time).

  • Ann_W

    Based on what evidence?

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    He sure didn’t have money to blow on alcohol or condoms (nor did he need them). He was there to learn and network and barely had enough $ for gas to get back to school in MI. Whoever it was, that was a very nice thing for you to do! It’s unfortunate there were others who were there giving their demographic a bad name.

  • Mike Ferguson

    I am gonna suggest this to the teachers where I work, lol.

    Also, great diary Erick. I have always wondered why some people have the “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” attitude about conventions. You would think it would be less of a problem at a place like CPAC. After all conservatives do usually take the moral high ground. Having not been to CPAC yet I can’t really speak to that convention, however as a Nurse I can speak to medical conventions and some of those I have been to are more akin to swingers parties than places of medical learning, lol.

  • texashistorian

    can’t recall where off hand, Ann, but surely someone here has a link- the Romney campaign bussed people into CPAC to skew the straw poll; taking a page out of the Luap Nor playbook . . .

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    This year’s CPAC was a huge change from last year’s Libertarian Fest. The absence of Ron Paul and his groupies, as well as the decision to ban GOPROUD as an official sponsor were important changes. Heritage and other conservative groups were back. There were also some very conservative evangelical speakers on the agenda including Michelle Dugger and Kirk Cameron. Al Cardenas put the “C” back in CPAC. My son, a conservative Evangelical college student said after last year’s CPAC, “This is not a “conservative” conference.” He felt much more at home this year – that his values were better represented.

    I think that most people who attended this year didn’t know going in that the changes had been made. I wonder to what extent that will have an affect on next year’s event? Will the party set be less likely to attend next year because of the general conservative bent thisyear? Was the behavior Erick witnessed in some part a result of the previous years’ lurch to the more moderate, libertine side of the GOP? Time will tell, I guess, but I think it doesn’t hurt that CPAC is telegraphing that it is a severely conservative convention rather than a libertarian free-for-all.

  • texasref

    so what do you really expect, Erick?

    *tweak* ;-)

  • texasref

    as someone who has been writing letters to the editor since I was 13 and who has subscribed to Time, Newsweek, and US News and World Report simultaneously (along with Focus on the Family’s Citizen) since junior high school about how political animals behave…

    These Romneybots who jammed the ballot box at CPAC are the same ones whose wives at cocktail parties in low voices confide to folks like Rush Limbaugh “We have to do something about the damn pro-lifers.” This is Romney Country. And while it’s great if whoever is reading this supports Romney and also is 100% pro-life, you’re supporting one helluva scoundrel on issues of life.

    Romney can say whatever he wants to get elected, but I look at what he actually DID when he had the POWER (as governor).

    Same with Santorum, by the way, who talks a good talk about being fiscally conservative when he was OUT of office (see Leon’s excellent work) but when he was in office he was yes sir no sir three bags full of profligacy sir!

  • jjnevola

    Conservative women are so hot!!

    But they should grow up! Personal responsibility demands it!

  • jjnevola

    Conservative women are so hot…

    But they should grow up…personal responsibility is expected from every Conservative and being honorable and chivalrous separates us from the pack! Set a good example, behave like a gentlemen and have fun!

  • annplato

    if they “straw polled” for Romney.

    Other than promises no one has any proof that Romney IS a conservative.

    Santorum (who would be my 2nd choice after Gingrich) may have a point. Mitt Romney is an insatiable narcissist and a bored millionaire, who wants to fulfill his father’s “dream” to become a Rockefeller Republican president.

    At this time, I hope that both Romney and Santorum?s ?wins?, being ?non-binding? will allow for the ?best? candidate to ultimately win and repeat his success of 1994 to lead that nation back to the right (not ?ultra right?) where it belongs. That man was, is and always will be Newt Gingrich.

  • runner12

    Your last line was priceless and so true. Unfortunately, gentlemen are in the minority in my generation. Being a cad seems to be the norm or so it seems.

    Yet you would hope at CPAC there would not be that sort of thing going on or at least not to the extent that it did.

    Ugh.

  • runner12

    I just read Melissa Clouthier’s piece. All I can say is – right on girl! What a great piece of truth she wrote. The link to the “Death of Pretty” is an awesome read to.

    When will my fellow women get that sluttiness is not empowering? It is demeaning.

  • http://www.katjasdacha.com katja

    I think one of the problems here is that there’s more than one ‘camp’ in this conservative movement. On the one hand, you have the conservatives who are probably more “old-school”, where conservatism means more than balancing the budget, and who are generally more socially conservative. On the other, you have the more ‘libertarian’ side, which probably includes more younger people, where the idea is that social/moral issues don’t matter (at least as much). I think this is why there’s so much of a howl about Santorum surging in the polls, because their ideal candidate would not speak a word about social issues or morality. I think separating these two groups may be part of the Obama strategy here; that if they can get a lot of attention to Santorum and social issues, you’ll end up with a lot of “conservatives” who won’t vote for him because they want the more libertarian candidate.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    social/moral issues matter a lot to us the difference is that we think that they either ought to be handled by local government, or that government involvement often makes them worse.

  • avgjo

    These people of whom you write are beautifully illustrative of many current ‘conservatives’. They want the advantages of a moral society without the self-discipline and rules that make it work. It is also illustrative of a society that won’t grow up.

    A few mornings ago, I was waiting for some business and I watched a few minutes of an old show I watched when I was a kid, ‘buffy the vampire slayer’. The part I caught portrayed the high school kids (the main characters) walking into a party of adults who were supposed to be acting like teens. They were possessed.

    The way they were acting is the way ‘adults’ really act now.

    Shameful.

    As my baby brother, a teen who is very mature said recently, ‘there is no adulthood left.’

  • fatlibertarian

    Paul had spoke it would have been blamed on his people. lol

  • Scope

    always try the CPAC venue. I think you are the poster boy of what EE is talking about.

  • Ann_W

    But I was referring to Common_Cents saying that the people Romney bussed in were the ones sleeping around and playing frat boys, and I want to know what evidence he based that on. Because Romney himself isn’t that kind of a person so it’s just stupid to say randomly that it’s Romney’s supporters being like that. There’s no basis for that, and it’s super annoying.

  • texashistorian

    Right, I have no reason to believe either that Romney’s bus-ins were the silly frat boys. Maybe there were a few- I know some College Republicans due to my job, and there are a number of them that fit the frat boy model. It wouldn’t surprise me. I see those types as knee-jerk Republicans; mostly business majors who were raised in Republican households, but do a piss-poor job of articulating and defending conservatism. At least that has been my experience with them here in Texas. Not all of them, of course. But what can you expect? The College Democrats and liberals are cut from the same silly 18-22 immature, unthinking cloth.

  • tngal

    Hey mom look what I got at the CPAC convention!
    Yeah I know there were a lot of vendors handing out other stuff like pens and post it notes but guess what I picked up!

  • BillC

    I want credit for coining this phrase. :-)

  • After Seven

    I dunno Erick, I attended CPAC as well and did not really see what you saw. In fact I saw a lot of very well mannered, energetic and intelligent youngsters who I would be proud to call fellow conservatives.

  • celador2

    I am moved to respond to the brief on behavior at CPAC. That the writer EE is critical and moved to comment means the libertine or boorish and predatory behavior of self identified conservatives only grows. Such behavior brings us all down.

    I have seen on blogs behavior that I once thought liberals owned. Language sets our mind and its frame. If our speech is in the gutter so are our actions. I stopped cussing in colleges years ago when I realized how my use of certain words affected my overall worldview and behavior.

    At a conference some let loose too many inhibitions apparently even at CPAC. I regret CPAC serves as a site for hook ups and pick ups. I am indignant!

    For change a remedy must involve the many as well as the few. Manners arer a two way street. It takes two to tango. All attendees should behave joyfully with respect and modesty and censure those who do not.

    We are our brothers keeper.

  • MikeG

    That’s a hilarious episode! Sadly, you are right in that it makes for an apt analogy for the behavior of many “adults” in this day and age.

  • politicalqrm

    they were all drunk.

    I was wondering how a liberal candidate received a victory from people who are supposed to be conservative.

    Seriously, this demeans CPAC and I think it’s lost it’s relevance.

  • Uma Richie

    Girls on the Run?

    It is a program that trains 3rd to 8th grade girls for a 5K and teaches them to respect themselves and to stay away from drugs, eating disorders, sexual experimentation etc. You seem like a natural mentor, or at least someone who might want to run the final 5K with them if there is one in your area.

    Here’s their website:
    http://www.girlsontherun.org/

    It is very positive. So far it hasn’t been infiltrated by the left. Some of the Catholic schools have adapted the curriculum to include the relationship of taking care of your God-give body to Catholic teaching.

  • josephine

    IT IS THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE INFLUENCING THE POLLS TAKEN AT CPAC-WHICH INFLUENCES THE TV AUDIENCE.
    WHICH INFLUENCES THE ELECTION. NO WONDER THE RESULTS WERE LIKE THEY WERE.
    I wasn’t there. But, I am sure Erick is reporting correctly. The world in which these young people have grown up in is mostly secular, liberal, and way off base with reality.
    They may be fiscal conservatives, but they lack the class they need to be True Conservatives. It is really a shame.

  • josephine

    Not long ago I was talking with my 34 year old son, unmarried. He explained to me that in order to get his work done he could only look straight into the eyes of most of the women in office while conversing with them. He said the manner in which they dressed throws him completely off balance and causes him to fear being accused of being a letcher when he finds he cannot keep his eyes on his work. He also told me that the presence of the bosom is unbelievable in his office. They are overflowing and bountiful and on display.
    I have watched it happen-many of the young women believe they are not attractive in soul, spirit and looks-thus they must lower themselves to trashy display. I believe in being sexy w/out being trashy. I think Hollywood and the media did this. And this is not to say that all men are innocent victims. I hope the trend changes soon.

  • geah

    by old Native American and Jewish standards,and my mama said, how you behave when no is looking is how you really are, sad is it not? I still recall that teaching when I walk thru my home alone and smile. would it not be nice if somehow we could instill that into our young ones, Yes I am old and old fashion, but honor is still honor, and sadly the GOP does not always walk that path, how do we teach our next generation? when I turn off my T.V when many programs come on because of dishonor that I see, I told my children that I do not eat trash neither do I feed it to my mind.

  • Ann_W

    But I would add that the art of responsible living by college aged kids is being lost on the right, too. That’s why I was interested in this diary by Erick.

    The whole disgusting culture is taking its toll. Even most young Christians (Tebow excluded still hopefully) don’t care about sleeping around which introduces a lot more problems such as considering abortion, std’s, long-term bachelors who never grow up, etc., etc.

  • pdawk

    I am married and have 3 kids. I don’t have the luxury of fun in my life.

  • hart65

    God mend thine every flaw
    Confirm thy soul in self control
    Thy liberty in law.

    Another verse of “America the Beautiful” that reminds us of our Founders’ warning that no documents can be effective without a moral people.

  • bennybeaver

    Hey that never stopped Newt!

  • brand

    I thought we were for personal responsibility? Do we really need to preach morals as political bloggers, too?

    I mean, I see the point of comporting one’s self with respect and decorum, but I just feel like this post of Erick’s is going to get quoted and maligned in a zillion different ways that essentially boils down to:

    “Conservatives want to control your life too! But at least we Lefties let you get to have sex when you want it!!” or “Lefties=guilt free sex! Righties = Not only act like, but dress like a nun!”

  • liveforadrenaline

    I know a lot of my son’s Libertarian friends are rather invested in the Ayn Rand “selfish is good” branch of Libertarianism. My son is quite the opposite, being invested in Christianity.

  • liveforadrenaline

    Between individual behavior and the direction of society as a whole.

    Individuals always can find ways to do wrong, but if a whole society decides to do wrong then it will have a myriad of consequences… not all of which relate to religion… such as lowering of productivity, lack of direction, lack of goals, emotional rhetoric over substance, etc…

    You are right, though, that this will be perceived in various ways, but the fact is that whenever a conservative “falls” the media and left-wingers love to point out all sorts hipocrisy, fault, etc…

  • freedom555

    These ‘Kids’ aren’t holding out their hands for Food Stamps.

    Nope, they’re exopecting Free Drinks.

    But entitlement is entitlement. They expect their lives to be a party without responsibility.

    The Truth is going to hurt.

  • evilbloggerlady

    is not the same as young men using condoms. Sometimes they just have high expectations! While I am sure it happens occasionally, I am guessing CPAC is not the place for one night hookups.

  • YnotNOW

    that marriage and kids are not fun. Mine enrich my life more than I can say.

    (p.s. I know your comment was meant in jest, but it irks me to see this “joke” so much in our society)

  • Lycurgus

    regarding CPAC’s vote for Romney, however, keep in mind that Gingrich himself was a Rockefeller Republican in 1964… I don’t know if that means he actively campaigned against Barry Goldwater in Georgia, but he definitely has stated in interviews that he did not back him.

  • bobguzzardi

    I have not gone to CPAC for years. I had not noticed this in the past.

    Good for you. Bad behavior is a problem, particularly, when we are talking about personal responsibility. CPAC is not a party. It is serious business with some fun.

  • funwithknives

    and {ask them ,please!} they” know everything there is.”
    Until they don’t. Life’s lessons haven’t even gotten started with them and reaching perfection is the goal. They’re still climbing the ladder, so-to-speak .{For me, it took a Life-threatening/near-death experience to shake me out of my stupor.( Believe me, I was in one.) }
    Even the Amish have ‘Rumspringah’, and they’re no secularists ,now are they?
    Were the great mass of attendees up-standing? There’s an example to emulate, and mention. There’s slackers in every group. Ignore them and Focus. We got us a country to take back….

  • eburkedisciple

    I am encouraged that you noticed and more that you commented about it. Virtue is a value worth conserving. Chivalry is another value worth conserving. Chastity is not only a value worth conserving it is healthy, safe and something you will want to think about when you have children.

    Political conservatism without a soul, an appreciation for virtue and respect is not going to improve anything. It will not ‘conserve’ anything either.

  • runner12

    Thanks for the info! I would love to support something like that. I will check into it.

  • dudette

    can be also blamed on lack of good examples. I have attended a conservative Mennonite church here twice tho not a Mennonite, and I have to say, they walk the talk and being near their goodness is inspiring. We don’t have enough people, CHristian or otherwise, exhibiting moral behavior and high minded talk/actions. We get numbed by the slang the profanity the dumbed down morals and forget there is something higher to aspire to. Spending a day in church with the Mennonites and fellowship afterwards was something that has affected me deeply, hopefully to the good.

  • Racist

    What did you expect? Conservative women are HOT!!! I would imagine it’s tough not to start thinking like a Kennedy or Clinton when you’re in the same room with a large group of women who look like S.E. Cupp!!!

    But seriously, You’re right Erick. It has become a HUGE problem, the way our entire society is being sexualized. I have a 9 yr old daughter, and it seems like every month another one of her “favorite celebrities” is having to be banned from my house. A couple of years at Disney, and then it’s on to the cesspool of Hollyweird. The loss of Hannah Montana was devastating around here!

  • fivenineteen

    Hey look me over
    lend me an ear
    I’m a conservative

    I like the small black marks on my hands
    I’m a conservative
    I like the crazy girls that I screw
    Hey I know them all well
    - Iggy Pop “I’m a conservative”

  • Uma Richie

    Everything you do to uphold the dignity of girls and women, wherever you may be, ripples out and in some way makes the world a better place for my daughters. Again thanks.

  • Jack_Savage

    I can’t say enough good things about the program. My three daughters participated in it, as well as my wife, and we all ran a 5K as a family as a completion to the training (they kicked my butt). One of my daughters is running cross country now, and the other two are planning to next year. None of us ran before. The daughter who is running XC won an open entry biathlon last summer, which included adult males. It is incredibly affirming in all the best ways, which means you actually gain confidence by doing the training and completing the race.

    One of the ladies who helps run the program created a similar one for our church, and all the girls did the training and talked about their faith as they stretched and before they trained. I can’t tell you how many girls run for their schools now, when they never would have had the courage to do so before.

    Anyway – can you tell I like this program?

  • Jack_Savage

    The line at CVS is what happens when you let people who are “just fiscal conservatives” in the door at CPAC.

    All three legs of the stool, y’all. All three legs.

  • Uma Richie

    I hope Girls on the Run can help build a critical mass of self-confident young women whose very presence will change society’s expectations of our daughters. When mine are eligible, we will certainly take part.

    I’m leaving the males to you and Alex Kendrick. Until I saw his movies, I thought there was no expectation of encouraging adult boys to be men. My husband and I are bringing up our own sons to be gentlemen; however, never having been a young man myself, I don’t have a clue of what determines the behavior of those who grow up without a guiding hand.

    With no firsthand knowledge, I also don’t know what to say about CPAC. I do know that when I was in school most of the guys in the CRs were going through the libertine phase, but they respected me and were my sanity, as they, not I, were the lightning rods for the liberal loudmouths on campus. Those I have kept up with have stayed to the right politically, but I don’t know enough about their personal lives to say whether there is hope for the CVS line.