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The Competitive Disadvantage of Principle

If you have not read it, this is a fascinating article in the New York Times. The crux of the article is the title — even critics of the safety net increasingly depend on it.

The article profiles a number of people who take advantage of the federal social safety net and are increasingly resentful of it. The solutions on fixing it vary. The angry, for some, may or may not be misplaced. The article reads as a Rorschach test on your ideology — liberals will read it and find the people hypocritical. Conservatives will read it and find it all maddening.

The key paragraphs of the whole article comes toward the beginning:

The government safety net was created to keep Americans from abject poverty, but the poorest households no longer receive a majority of government benefits. A secondary mission has gradually become primary: maintaining the middle class from childhood through retirement. The share of benefits flowing to the least affluent households, the bottom fifth, has declined from 54 percent in 1979 to 36 percent in 2007, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis published last year.

And as more middle-class families … land in the safety net …, anger at the government has increased alongside. Many people say they are angry because the government is wasting money and giving money to people who do not deserve it. But more than that, they say they want to reduce the role of government in their own lives. They are frustrated that they need help, feel guilty for taking it and resent the government for providing it. They say they want less help for themselves; less help in caring for relatives; less assistance when they reach old age. [Emphasis added]

In other words, the United States is increasingly taxing the middle class to subsidize the middle class. All the talk about the poor and what the safety net is designed to do for the poor overlooks that the government has taken it upon itself to keep the middle class from falling into the poorer classes of society.

It reminds me of this Robert Heinlein quote:

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as ‘bad luck.’”

We seem to be on the cusp of that in this country and the middle class realizes what is happening. The creators in the country who come up with the ideas, take the risks to capital and reputation, and possibly get ahead are more and more being labeled the bad guys. But there is more to it than that. The middle class is coming to terms with the idea that upholding its principles will put it at a competitive disadvantage and they are seething about it.

It is a long held principle in this country that the individual is supreme above the collective and the government. Tied to that is the principle espoused by Abraham Lincoln back in Kalamazoo, MI back in 1856, that in this country, unlike so many others, “every man can make himself.” It is less and less true.

More and more, the Middle Class has become dependent on the federal social safety net. It was a slow and creeping dependence the Middle Class did not recognize until it was too late. Now suddenly their principles have come into conflict with their lifestyle.

The Middle Class believes that with hard work it can move up the ranks of society. It is not content to and does not expect to stay in the Middle Class. At the same time, the Middle Class recognizes its current dependency. It also recognizes that if it does break through it will be despised by government. Even more troubling, it does not know how to break through. Due to lobbyists, regulators, and legislators, the process of inventiveness and creativity has been shut down.

The tax code and regulatory structure are too complex for a small businessman to become a big businessman. Major corporations have, through carving up the patent laws to suit themselves, made it impossible for a small business to compete creatively without running afoul of a process or software patent that never should have existed. The entire nature of the tax code for small businesses is designed to prevent capital formation and growth. A sub S corporation faces a Hobson’s choice at year end, and forming a sub C carries so many compliance costs it staggers the mind. A large company or one with angels can afford this game; the average small business cannot.

In short, individuals in the Middle Class recognize that if they cut the strings on the safety net underneath them and take their own risks to make their way in the world, they are putting their own family at a competitive disadvantage to their neighbors who refuse to cut the strings. The government has forced the Middle Class to put the livelihood of its families ahead of its principles. That is where the resentment comes from.

We see this everyday. We see this in the New York Times article. Should someone dare to suggest that student loans are driving up the cost of higher education — an economic fact — someone will attack the person for having taken student loans. When someone laments paying out 99 weeks of unemployment, they too will be attacked if ever they took social security disability, unemployment benefits, or the like. And when the person rebuts that they had to do it so as not to fall behind in a world turned upside down by the government, their complaints will fall on deaf ears by the conformists who embraced their federal masters.

A stable society depends on a stable Middle Class. A subsidized Middle Class is inherently unstable. When the really rich and the really poor are upset, rarely does the society apple cart itself get upset or overturned. But when the Middle Class is upset, you can bet the apple cart will be overturned. And in Washington, DC, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are offering policies to put the Middle Class back in ownership of their own lives.

The resentment will continue until it boils over or changes are made to put the social order back as it was intended — using the social safety net to help the poor, not subsidize the Middle Class.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    that depends on redistribution for its lifeblood. And over time, the institutional foundation of our nation is riddled by the termites’ consumption until it can not longer hold the building.

    We can change tax policies, but only a recovery of the proper role of the federal government can stop the damage and offer space to reconstruct. And that take the people of our country listening to different voices than the sirens of the utopian collectivists.

    And perhaps the first step is to remember that government owns nothing, except from what it has taken from individuals.

  • DefendUSA

    I have been called a hypocrite as a member of the middle class because I was eligible for SNAP. Someone confused my belief that “entitlements” were for needy people not those who sit back and just put a hand out and never give a leg to get off it. I took food stamps because I was in need. And I tried to give back what I didn’t and could not. It will never change my opinion that people have been allowed for their entire lives to sit back and earn off the backs of taxpayers and it’s wrong.
    I am resentful. We used to make a good salary. We may not make as much now, but we’re managing. We aren’t getting ahead, no matter how many hours we’re putting in…it seems as if we fall further behind, actually. And there you have it. I need control of my earning potential, my intellectual capitol and the government needs to get OUT. It’s killing us, plain and simple. And when that happens, it won’t only be the poor who are going to feel oppressed…everyone will feel it.

  • avgjo

    (Not that anyone’s actually stupid, right? Just riffing off that famous statement about the economy.)

    I live in an area where churches are many and historically strong. I’ve noticed that alms/charitable giving/your preferred term are way down. Everyone has the attitude that government will take care of it. Rush was talking yesterday about how many churches equate charity with welfare. There are all manner of ‘ministries’, charging unbelievable amounts of money to ‘help’ people. I know one guy in particular; the well-paying beneficiaries of his ‘ministry’ go to a local church, and everyone treats them like they have the plague.

    My great-grandpa, a great big Cherokee indian, had a lot of children and was a subsistence farmer. During the depression, he and his family ate sweet potatoes as their main food for two years. Breakfast, lunch and supper. He wouldn’t take CCC work because he thought it was a welfare program. His sister was a very good gambler, and offered him a large sum from her winnings in those days. He refused to take it because it was ill-gotten gain. He didn’t have much materially when he died, but he had his priceless principle. If the middle class in this country was living by this pattern, they’d be free, and America’d be different.

    It’s not too late. The question is whether prominent people will begin to foster these values and whether people will listen to them.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    Anybody who calls this sort of thing “hypocrisy” clearly does not believe in republics.

    In a republic, one advocates whatever one thinks is correct — and then one lives with the system that the elected representatives construct. To refuse to live by the system the representatives construct, on the argument that one advocated a different system, is called “revolt.” To take advantage of federal largess after advocating for an end to it is called “practicing democracy.”

    I don’t believe that the federal government should subsidize automobiles by funding public roads; does that mean I should not drive on them? I believe CAFE standards are a grotesque distortion of the market; where am I going to find a non-CAFE-compliant car to drive?

    “Hypocrisy” is just leftists’ way of telling us that haven’t a clue what liberty is.

  • jeffperren

    All government welfare programs are immoral, impractical, and – in the case of the Federal government – unconstitutional.

    They should all be phased out as quickly as practical.

    Why should one taxpayer be coerced to provide sustenance for another, particularly when they live in different states?

  • NeoKong

    I gotta’ tell when I’m in BJ’s pulling out my wallet to pay for my purchase and I see a foreign speaking lady with a damn wagon train of food piled high whip out her EBT card it sort of makes me feel like a sucker.
    Especially ten minutes later when I see the vehicle she is driving in the parking lot.

    Where is my free food….?

  • blackjack2012

    Every time I try to argue that taxes in the States are — compared to other industrialized countries — on the low side, I am told that if I think that way, why not just send in a bigger check than my 1040 tells me to.

    Fair enough, but the argument cuts both ways. If anyone feels that (s)he is receiving undeserved benefits, then just return the check or don’t even apply for them. Just live with the corresponding difficulties that that decision produces.

  • DerKrieger

    …most middle class dependency via Social Security and Medicare.

    Confiscating people’s incomes in a forced retirement and medical insurance scheme deprived many in the middle class the means and/or the sense of responsibility to do so for themselves.

    My father hates the Social Security system and is fortunate not to need it to survive but he collects it because he rightly wants his money back.

    Others decided they didn’t need to save for their retirements because SS would be there for them. They are now dependent on it for survival.

    The GOP should introduce a simple, one page bill that makes SS optional. The Liberals claim its a popular program. Make it voluntary and let’s test that assertion.

  • johnt

    and act like you’re doing them a favor. Better still, act like you are the primary good in their lives.
    Not sure who or what #’s are getting on to this clumsy fraud, but millions out there do believe government is savior, that only a mob of culturally deprived parasites, of cannibalistic lawyers, of ignorant, useless but “dedicated public servants”, headed by a repressed neurotic with a severe Adlerian aggression disorder as their chief & hero, can breath life into this nation. It is the completely unshakable belief ot the tide of fanaticism that has overtaken this nation
    Obama’s Army.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    It’s much more clear-cut to take a moral stand when you feel you’ve received unjust benefit to the detriment of another individual – and far clear how to make restitution.

    Much harder when it’s an impersonal, large institution that is usually faceless and towards which you feel treatened and perhaps mistreated. Moral duty gets confused and conflicted.

    Therein the attraction of the 1% vs. 99% theme. And why most people feel quite differently towards their neighborhood grocer than Walmart, for instance. Unless of course you know someone who works for Walmart – then you feel different when there’s a personal connection.

    Another fundamental reason for reducing the scale of government to one compatible with the human individual. (And even for fundamentally restructuring the entity of the corporation, but that’s a whole other topic.)

  • dajeeps

    Was very informative about the ‘why’ of the safety net. I had been against every bit of it until I undertook that course of study. It was heartbreaking to read about the unemployment rate soaring to ~50% in some areas, leading to families being torn apart and orphanages filling up to the brim, with some facing starvation as charities were overrun by the enormous need for help. To me, having government step in to help when the economy is in such ruin is what the safety net should be all about. But the basic idea behind it was turned upside down since LBJ made them a way of life for many, and government just kept piling on program after program in the decades since, using it as tool to reorganize society instead of just being there when economic calamity strikes. That is what I am against – the safety net should be the plan for when the economy has collapsed and private organizations cannot handle the need, and should never be the default social order.

    I don’t hold any animosity toward anyone who has needed to utilize it. What do feel resentment toward is how the need came about, government meddling in markets and jacking the financial system to put the cart before the horse, trying to increase the level of home ownership, an increase that should have been the natural consequence of improved economic conditions instead. That is what has me really ticked, that can’t just leave people alone, leave markets alone, because we would all be better off without such ‘help’.

  • jaykali

    Programs like govt in general just grow and so now it’s heartless to eliminate a subsidy for someone making 50k a year who is not going to starve to death but they ‘are just so darned used to it’. I feel like we are way past the point of no return bc now it seems basically ‘not fair’ to make half the country pay any sort of federal income tax.

  • jaykali

    I am not sure how the country could float 50% unemployment ever again, its just too much money. No one wants to hear ab that.

    I told my friend who has gone the way of the liberal, even if we all agree that we want everyone to have ‘free’ health care, it’s not sustainable. No one has ever convinced me otherwise. However ‘moral’ it is there just isn’t enough money to float millions of people.

  • dajeeps

    Since Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz’s paper on the cause of the Great Depression, it’s been widely accepted that it was caused and prolonged by the Federal Reserve. It was the monopoly on money being mismanaged.

    And again today, we have a similar problem, economic calamity caused by utter mismanagement of governmental interventions. Whether it was because of good intentions, or corrupt ones, it really makes no difference to the point that interventions in themselves do more harm than good, and give rise to the need when the doo doo finally hits the fan.

    I would gladly give all interventionism up and have free markets in everything so as to avoid the sudden occurrence of economic collapse that gives rise to the need for safety nets.If we’re going to have central planning, we have to have something, funded by a rainy day fund in order to help clean up the mess. But that also means we can’t have the government spending hand over fist all of the time. It has to keep itself solvent for when there is a crisis, and that means no constant social programs, no nationalized health care, because, as you said, it isn’t sustainable.

  • andystone

    After accepting, for decades, a job and an apartment offered by the Communist State, he was the main actor in the overthrow of that system,. One result of his efforts is that young Czechs these days are no longer guaranteed housing and employment by the all-powerful State. But maybe a climate of abundance and opportunity that was a very distant dream for their parents, 25 years ago, is sufficient compensation for that trade-off?!

  • dogfan

    …is a form of “the tragedy of the commons”, although it is of course a practical matter, not just a matter of ideological or social principle. Everyone is worse off if the system in aggregate encourages overconsumption from a “common” resource (communal, “public”, or whatever one could call “government-funded, which of course really means taxpayer-funded, to some extent even more unfortunately next-generation-taxpayer-funded, plus interest expense). But each individual has an incentive to protect his piece of the pie, lest he give up his share without ever seeing the benefit of a better system.

    It is quite a challenge of policy-crafting and communications to create and persuasively communicate a sweeping change of direction, assuring enough voters that the scale of change will be broad and deep enough that they won’t suffer “unfairly” disproportionately and the “rising tide that lifts all boats” will benefit them more in terms of some combination of practical (material) well-being and principle (in particular, the principle of a merit-based and opportunity-based society).

  • kowalski

    The real economy is forcing the middle class to depend on government benefits to survive. It’s as simple as that. Otherwise you lose what you have and keep losing more of what you have. There is no rebound in sight for most of the people who are now taking government benefits.

    We have a real unemployment rate somewhere around 16-20%. All the people who could give in their families to help out their relatives are doing so or have already exhausted their own money. Without a real change in the economy and the employment of a lot more people, it’s going to continue to get worse.

    People are living on government benefits because there are no other options.

    We are playing a game of Chicken among Elites right now: the corporations refuse to hire because they want Obama out of office. Obama says: “Fine, that’s good for me, because more of your people are just going to wind up on welfare. I can stay here and keep doing this until the unemployment rate is 30% and then we have rioting in the streets and I have to delcare marshal law. Let’s see how long you can last. I’ll lower the corporate tax rate now if you’ll vote for me. You have no cards in your hand, bub.”

  • skorrent1

    Is one a hypocrit for taking SS while advocating for its reform – and voting for those who promise reform? Nonsense! I want my granddaughters to have something better, and a free-market option would be better.

  • jaykali

    Bc govt has turned into handouts and entitlements. There are more people than not that only care about entitlements or goodies they can get ‘for free’. I hate to be so pessimistic ab things. Maybe we can get a reformer in here but it just appears to me our govt is one where its alot easier to make things worse than to make even modest reforms.

  • thosjefferson

    I love the Heinlein quotation, taken from Time Enough for Love. I hope we can find a little love for the only candidate who exemplifies Heinlein’s quotation.

    There’s only one remaining GOP candidate who fits the category of the tiny minority who has actually created wealth instead of redistributing it as a legislator in Washington D.C. Many here at RedState are trying to drive him out of the conservative society, but let’s hope they’re unsuccessful.

    The irony is, the so-called “conservative” candidates claim their policies would allow the private sector to thrive and create jobs, thereby reducing the need for a safety net, but they all criticize the one candidate who has actually thrived and created jobs in the private sector. So the choice is between the sweet talkers and the doer.

  • DefendUSA

    It is demoralizing as an American, for me to have you see it, coming from my wallet, I promise. And I will hopefully never need it again.

  • DefendUSA

    We own a business. I promise you that seeing the amount of money that people get back that was never paid in is astounding. But the laws make it so. And when there is a bad law that people follow, it should break the system…unless another law is created to circumvent the reality of what we know is not sustainable and it just keeps going like that.

  • DefendUSA

    The creation of the middle class dependency is what the Pied Piper is banking on for the Global Economy, Global world in a nutshell.

  • demsaresatanic

    a welfare state is inevitable when the right to vote is disconnected from any obligation to contribute to society. As voters evolve from male property owners to anybody over 18 it is impossible for a welfare state not to evolve as well. When you don’t pay for the programs the cost of programs is of no consequence, it is not much different than asking children if their allowance should be higher.

  • jgelling

    America for 200+ years had a chronic labor shortage. With population growth, gains in productivity, mass immigration and outsourcing of labor-intensive industries, that’s no longer true. The net result is fewer jobs sufficient to maintain what would previously be considered a middle class standard of living.

    Removing the subsidies from the middle class won’t magically fix everything. It’s not the government that created the problem – it’s just policy makers doing what they do best: buying the votes of the most influential classes. For 40+ years that’s meant buying off the rich with tax cuts and the middle class with subsidies.

    If you want to unravel dependency, promote policies that create independence. That starts with rebuilding our industrial base through more aggressive trade and manufacturing policies.

  • Kyle-MI

    You are exactly right, DerKrieger. It is a forced retirement savings plan, and a very poor one at that. If the money that has gone into SS had instead been invested in even the most conservative funds, retired people would be living much better lives at no extra cost. And there would be no need for a SS safety net. It is a viscous cycle.

  • Flagstaff

    in 13th century to 16th century Florence. Cutting to the chase, the leaders of Florence came to embrace Civic Humanism. Among the many results that created, one was a transfer of some types of private enterprise and charity from the private sector and the church into the hands of the government.

    It was rather successful, as long as the person running the show was a benevolent despot, as was Cosimo de’ Medici and later Lorenzo de’ Medici. It did have some unpleasant side effects–inflation, for one. But since the leadership was chosen only on occasion, by the oligarchs rather than by the general population, it really didn’t dislocate the economy very much, and there was no need to “buy them off.”

    Still, we’ve been struggling with this problem for hundreds of years–it isn’t anything new.

  • Flagstaff

    in The History of Italy by Francesco Guicciardini, written from 1538 to 1541. Quoting from Prof. Kenneth Bartlett,

    “Guicciardini argues that in governing or politics, principles are worse than useless because they get in the way of opportunity and necessity: All that matters is experience and information.”

    Bartlett has written that Guicciardini was scrupulously honest, but also ruthless. A brilliant Renaissance mind and masterful administrator, he ended up on the wrong side of the ambitions of Cosimo de’Medici, whom Guicciardini had help install as Duke of Florence. His History “has been called the most important work of history between Tacitus and Gibbon.” Bartlett stresses that Guicciardini came to believe that the only proper orientation of values was to put elf-interest first, because it’s the only thing one can be relatively sure of. Yet he also concluded

    “that self-interest ultimately undoes all ambitious men because they lose sight of the larger picture….

    In other words, history will always turn out badly because those who shape it are motivated only by what serves them best, even at the expense of the greater good.”

    This seems to contradict what just went before, but perhaps it’s only incomplete. (And it may be flat out wrong, too.) But your own comment fills in pretty well, at least in terms of abrogating some principles in real life. “In a republic [in real life], one advocates whatever one thinks is correct ? and then one lives with the system that the elected representatives construct [that exists].” Don Rumsfeld said, roughly, “You go to war with the army you have, not the one you want.”

    I interpret the whole concept as a warning that we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Do the best with what we have, don’t expect to always be right because we never have enough experience and information, and don’t expect our principles to always cover every situation. The desire to adhere to principle at all cost is counterproductive–walk on the neighbor’s grass, accept a Social Security check, shake hands with the devil, or sit on a Democrat’s sofa if necessary to achieve the goal, but never forget what we’re doing, and never put the Democrat’s interest ahead of our own.

    Right or wrong can sometimes be an either/or proposition, but it’s often more a matter of degree. One course of action may be less desirable in the short run but if not completely unacceptable will get us to the goal with the highest degree of certainty. If so, that’s the way to go. Period. It’s keeping “the greater good” in mind that’s hard.

  • josephine

    This is a real problem here. There are a number of Americans that believe the President is trying to improve the state of the Union.But he is “manning up”-he is standing up for what he believes. He is a destructive force and he wants just that. He is taking us down and he is reveling in it.
    The amazing thing I see is the gullibility of many of the people. It is as if there is a toxin spreading. This, of course may not be as wide spread as the media reports. They depend on the nature of the dumbed down. I am also amazed at the number of people who jump on the bandwagon of such information without question. I don’t understand this as my mind is the opposite.
    I cut my TV off in 2005. Disconnected the cable. Have continued to live an interesting and informed life ever since. No more mind control or junk in my house. Since then there has been the change from analog to digital which has allowed people to have free viewing-viewing of only the government approved stations. Those who have this digital connection cannot even watch the “conservative news channel” which has rapidly changed to a left of center station. Many of these are Seniors. Receiving benefits.Truly disabled people who cannot get out of the house.
    I am also amazed at the “groupie” tendencies, the mob, so to speak. The frenzied swaying from one candidate to another with no investigation. They are being led down the path by the media. When I hear that sort of thing,I remove myself.The one candidate with the knowledge, the experience and guts to turn this thing around is being tossed away maybe by these, obviously innocent dumbed down people. First they swayed to the Establishment’s choice(those quiet people who live to not offend) now they are following a fascist and an opportunist in the greatest degree. Even some of the Tea Party are following this man with his platitudes and empty decrees. We are praying that it will continue to circle around til we get back to the man who can repair the damage. They continue to turn away from reality and the only one who is manning up. It seems that the ability to discern reality and go to the heart of the matter is lacking in our citizens. It amazes me as my life tumbles downward. When the people fail to unite behind a truly conservative candidate, and Obama wins the race and ultimately their savings and retirement are confiscated-they will wake up. A strong economy is the strength of our nation.
    I’d say this is the most dangerous time in our country’s existence. We are not dealing with the English. We are dealing with the communist takeover of every aspect of life within this country. I was a child in the 50′s and 60′s. I remember Khrushchev, I remember hearing that Russian people were shipped off to Siberia for disagreeing with the Kremlin. Raids on homes. Not allowed to choose their destiny. I remember the fallout shelters of the 60′s.
    This take down of America has been in the works since then. It is being beautifully orchestrated .

  • josephine

    You are right on.

  • josephine

    it’s going to take a lot more that new trade and manufacturing “policies”.
    Our Fed. Education Dept. needs to done away with and the books thrown away. Wipe it all clean and start all over.
    The children of this country are being dumbed down and not given the chance to excel in a way that suits their dreams. Discontent is growing because these children are growing up to nothing. When it was just the poor, disadvantaged children, it was “understandable”. It is now the middle class that is being affected by the government run schools and it is breeding contempt and discontentment among the young adults. Look to England and Europe. Always look this way as socialism took it’s hold earlier there.

  • malvernpa

    Only discipline can turn back the government hand outs. We get the type of government that we allow and thus far we have allowed this to happen. Stop blaming any target that you choose, we as a whole did this to ourselves. We as a whole to elections too lightly. We as a whole did not support candidates to turn this back. If you did work hard for the right type of politician then there were just not enough of you who agreed to work for that man. Here is what is going to happen. A blue state, lets take the 5th largest economy in the world, California will hit a Greek type wall. The liberals will be ready to take money from the other 49 states to support California. Red states will say NO, no more and the 10th amendment will create the discipline to protect their citizens. There is no other path that this mess can follow. There will be confrontation, it is coming.

  • cwfoster

    I just went to Social Srevices yesterday, and applied for benefits. My goal is to get OFF that crap ASAP. It is an affront to my pride to have to ask for it. If I stand on principle, my family ends up in the street, pure and simple. The government has trashed the economy so badly, for so long now, that what resources I had to fall back on, are mostly gone. I have about 6-8K in a 401K, but I found out last year what happens when you draw upon your own resources like that. First, due to interest and penalties, you get about maybe 66% of what you had in there, and then count on paying another 20% of what’s left ome next April 15th! You basically get taxed twice on it, the interest and penalties being for the taxes that you would have paid on it last year when you earned it, and then it gets treated like this years earnings at tax time, so an amount of money that OUGHT to tide you over a couple of months may only over one. Second, the REASON I’m out of work in the first place. Remember the GOP cavemeisters at the debt ceiling debate, the so-called supercommittee, that performed exactly as everyone on this board knew they would EPIC FAIL! Well, when they were looking at the automatic defense cuts, defense contractors started laying off workers. I worked for Northrop Grumman, enough of THAT story. If the government concentrated on what they DO have a Constitutional Mandate to do (Provide for the Common Defense) and stopped with the redistributive social engineering, I would still have a job, and wouldn’t even have to consider any benefits. Third, the reson the churches and other charities are not carrying as big a load as they used to (at least the churches I’ve been associated with recently, some big denominations, may have made a bargain with the devil trying to lay off some of Christs charges to His church) is that as the economy tanked, donations went down, as tax breaks dried up for companies, their giving slowed down. This affected the operation of local food pantries and shelters, who then had to start asking the government for increasing support. The more support the government gives, the more authority they claim to tax and spend, which decreases the charitable giving further, creating a vicious circle.

    What’s going to have to happen, is the spigot is going to have to be turned off. It is unreasonable to ask a man to sit and watch his family starve, and maybe have to move into a homeless shelter, losing all they still possess, when the excrement machine is still running. Turn off the excrement machine, then those still blessed will have to step up (hopefully I’ll be back on that side of the equation by then) and increase their giving to the TRADITIONAL safety net, so those who are willing to work can get the temporary leg up when they need it. They need to remember a few lessons they learned during this time. I did participate in a food bank before, at my church, but didn’t apply for food stamps, and I assisted with putting food packages together for the pantry as a means of giving back. I found that their cooperation with the Food Stamp people required identifying and reporting participants, and that led to stopping the freeloaders who were going from church to church getting assistance from all of them, needlessly stretching theuir resources. The churches in the area started comparing notes, and offering other forms of relief so they weren’t duplicating efforts, and cooperating on larger projects. This is what charity is supposde to be, freely giving from the heart, not seizing assets under duress by the government. Pray for me, I’m waiting to hear back on several jobs!

  • cwfoster

    What we have to do, at every level, is educate the public on the realities they don’t learn in our pubic school systems or the press.

    1)We need to illustrate things our elected representatives (even the GOOD ONES!) have steadfastly refused to say. I watched the silly fools on Faux News last night with the Presidents proposed budget labeled “Debt on Arrival” as they all said what a non-starter it was, and NOT ONE mentioned that A) budgetary bills are required to be introduced by the House of representatives, and B) Such a bill was passed and submitted to the Senate almost a YEAR ago in April by the House and Harry reid tabled it and refused to allow it to even be voted on!

    2)Many on here are familiar with the Laffer Curve, many NOT on here aren’t, further, that is supported and proven by Hausers Law, which can be followed using historicaln data all the way back to WWII. Hausers law says that whatever the tax rate is, is largely immaterial, the revenue generated will top out at approximately 18-20% of GDP. For all the fits the liberal democrats throw about the Bush tax cuts not being paid for, the arguments would be mooted if the response was NOT “we can’t have tax increase in a recession” but rather “Paid for? They actually drove revenue UP!” (they DID, but not as much as the RINO we-can-spend-just-like-you-can Congress we had after they got rid of Newt! (the anti Gingrich faction of the GOP likes to ignore THAT little fact as much as the Democrats like to ignore the fact that the Bush tax cuts RAISED revenue!)

    3)Stress the meme that even if they “‘tax the rich at 100%” we would STILL be running deficits at current spending levels, throw out and refuse to accept figures based on “baseline spending” figures with their assumed increases that allow you to show a ‘cut’ while acually increasing spending. Insis that apples are compared to apples and oranges to oranges. Comparing short term spending increases to ten year long projections of saving for cuts is deisingenuous to put a nice face on it. Many people don’t have the attention span (God HELP us!) to hear it all when they say “we’re going to spend another Trillion over the next year, but we’re going to cut three trillion over the next ten years.”, they don’t stop and realize they’ll be asking for that trilluion again next year, and the year after and two trillion the year after that, The actual comparison wiould sound like “we’re going to spend 12-16 trillion over the next ten yesrs, but we’re going to cut 3 trillion!” THAT is what the truth sounds like! even the most stupid of the sheeple can understand that!

  • dennis1111

    In the Golden Bough by Frazier: There was a widespread practice that seems strange today. The chief or head man was annually burned at the stake. This prevents a strongman take over. The strongman if unabated would secure all or most of the women and eventually the wealth, for himself and his progeny. This essentially made slaves of the unrelated elements of the local group. By burning the big guy the population prevented this unwanted outcome. This was quite widespread. Eventually the natives compromised and burned a tree in efigy.

    Later in tribal areas, like Saudi Arabia, Whole large regions would be inter-related because of this trend. The inheritance if allowed to go out of the tribe through marriage with outsiders, would tend to weaken or impoverish the clan. Therefore intermarriage laws arose. The girl must marry her first cousin if he wants her. This is of course, horrible on the genetic pool and leads to a general malaise. It also leads to inter-clan wars, which was the major reason for the origin of the Koran. To stop the clan wars and point the hostilities outward.

    Concentrated power tend to denigrate the population through a great many avenues. Since we no longer burn our leaders we have taken to reelections on a regular basis. Problematically, political parties then secure power and become entrenched. The power then remains in the group and is wielded through crony capitalism, much as a despot of any era. The Democratic party and to some extent, the GOP, show this tendency. This gives rise to the furor about the establishment and insiders.

    It is the graduated income tax that fuels our current trend toward authoritarian concentration of power. The 16th amendment actually takes the liberties and powers of the people and concentrates it in a few hands. The income tax is also contrary to equality under the law as it taxes some at a higher rate; and is therefore contrary to the spirit of our constitution.

    I suggest the government could run on a somewhat diminished budget by printing an amount of money equal to the previous years economic growth. Of course the big guys would scream, but, it would devolve power and is better than being burned. This is not likely. The problem of power and the concentration of goodies will be with us for a while. The only fix I see is to turn down the spigots through principled rejection of big spenders. best, dlc

  • Flagstaff

    “The chief or head man was annually burned at the stake.”

    It seems like they’d have a hard time getting the second head man to step into the shoes of the first one. Sounds more like a “tribal legend” than reality.

    Re: 16th amendment. IANA licensed economist (^:^), but I have read that the establishment of the income tax was not unreasonable at first, and after a spike in rates during WWI they went back down in the early ’20s to around 7% for the wealthiest. I’d have to look them up, but they were miniscule compared to today, partly because the federal government wasn’t yet trying to do all things for all people. High tax revenues (like we have today) weren’t necessary. And at that time, almost ALL of the income taxes were paid by the very wealthy, perhaps by the “One Percenters.” Certainly, under ten percent of the population. But the current income tax is definitely a club that the government uses to squelch the power and desire of everybody to dissent. See a very current article on the subject here and here.

    “I suggest the government could run on a somewhat diminished budget by printing an amount of money equal to the previous years economic growth.”

    I think that or a variation of it is a pretty standard approach to monetary policy as a way to keep inflation under control. Usually it’s a bit more complex, taking into account forecast of growth for the coming year and need to have enough money to do it, and the fear of deflation.

    Economists must be studying right now to come up with a theory why we don’t already have significant inflation. My own is that by virtue of the dollar becoming a defacto world currency, there is still not an excess of dollars on the market, and an excess of dollars is what triggers bad inflation in the US. I guess the administration must feel the same way because they don’t seem at all worried about being able to monetize the public debt. We certainly have no reasonable prospect of paying it off with today’s dollars.

    Finally, I meant to add another paragraph to the one above and forgot to.

    The ‘patricians’ of the time were agreeable to an increase of taxes to be used by the government for welfare because it took them off the hook in many ways, and it reduced the total outlay for the majority of them while sticking it to the ones who weren’t doing their “fair share.” Also, at the time, they themselves could be the beneficiaries of one of the primary welfare projects–the dowry fund.

  • Lycurgus

    in some fashion, even a hero like Havel. Human beings are fallible and can never perfectly emulate personally a political principle.

  • bobmark

    We live in a minority dominated town and I can’t tell you how many iphones and Northfaces i see getting dropped off in nice cares and going into school in the morning for free breakfast. Then my kids wonder what’s wrong with us that we don’t lie and take the money the gov’t seems so eager to hand out. Unfortunately, the example my wife and I are trying to set is simply being drowned out by what they see all around them every day. That’s the real problem, the children are being taught that this is “normal”.

  • johninohio

    it is too late.

    You assume that there were a lot of people like your great grandpa in those days, and that they can be manufactured at will.

    First, if there had been a lot like him, the welfare state would have been stopped in its tracks right then. It wasn’t.

    Second, wefareism begets a welfare mentality. After 100 years of it, welfare has become the norm for such a large part of American society that the number of people on it, or wishing to be on it, has grown large enough to sway elections.

    Third, beseeching people to change their thinking is futile. Words have very limited power. If change is to occur, it will have to come about through powerful, inescapable experience. I think that’s what we’re going to get. The system has to collapse and essentially evaporate, leaving all of us to our own devices and resources.

  • kenchely

    This is a time when many who were middle-class have had to depend on the safety net. Employment is so tight that the employers have employees lined up around the block. They’re not anxious to find an employee who will fit their needs–they know they can get one. What they are looking for is ways to thin out the pool of applicants. Anything at all negative, and you’re gone. Bad credit report? You’re gone. Gap in employment history? You’re gone. Tax Lien? Gone. A conviction? Why did you bother applying? One previous employer who wasn’t satisfied with you? Gone.

    So what do you do when you have one or more of those strikes on you? You can’t even get a janitor’s job or a job as a cashier at McDonald’s, let alone a job doing what it was you were doing before you lost your old position? And forget trying to start your own business; that credit report, or a lack of consistent earnings in recent years will put you out the door of any bank about as fast as they read the credit report or last three years’ tax returns, and nowadays, if you have no credit, you’re not going to be able to rent the space for a business.

    On the other hand, there’s some condition that in fact you worked through before, but now that you’re jobless, it’s a hook on which you can hang a Social Security Disability application. What choice is there? You apply. You don’t want to do it, but you have to buy the groceries somehow. Those are just the facts of life now. Anyone who’s about to sneer? Just wait till your business goes under, your practice closes, or you get laid off. You’ll find the same thing.

    The 8.5% unemployment rate is a fiction. The real rate is more like about 17%. We’re in a full-blown depression and no one wants to admit it–Obama because he’s the guy who hasn’t been able to improve the situation, Republicans because it goes against their narrative of self-reliance and free enterprise if there are millions who have no choice but to accept public assistance.

  • johninohio

    For instance,

    ?Guicciardini argues that in governing or politics, principles are worse than useless because they get in the way of opportunity and necessity: All that matters is experience and information.?

    This could have been voiced by Obama.

    Principles result from experience and are used to light the way to successful action, whether serving self interest or “the greater good”, whatever that is.

    Without doubt, Guicciardini would laugh at our Constitution for the very reason that it’s based on principles that had been gleaned from the Founder’s experience and voluminous knowledge of history.

    This part,
    “Right or wrong can sometimes be an either/or proposition, but it?s often more a matter of degree. One course of action may be less desirable in the short run but if not completely unacceptable will get us to the goal with the highest degree of certainty. If so, that?s the way to go. Period. It?s keeping ?the greater good? in mind that?s hard.”

    would gladden the heart of every RINO in the GOP.

  • avgjo

    I don’t assume there were a lot of people like him in those days, and i certainly did not claim that there were. But the bar was definitely higher.

    They cannot be manufactured. That’s a reductionist view. I am a Christian, and i look to spiritual revival to get more people like that. That’s dependent on those who claim to be Christians (to pray for national forgiveness and revival) and on people to respond.

    I disagree with you re: power of words. Too much history to show otherwise. I give you John Wesley, the Founders, etc.

    The attitude that we must all be left to our own devices and resources feeds the welfare state. The fact that there are so many people who have the attitude ‘everyone for themselves/families/friends only’ makes welfare necessary in the minds of many. If we don’t take care of each other voluntarily, clamor for government to do so will rise, and welfare will continue to be a reality.

    Everything now on the right is viewed through economic and behavioral lenses. We have cropped our anthropology, and so we are incapable of dealing with the problem in correct terms.

    ‘As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.’

    – Ben Franklin

  • Flagstaff

    That is partly because I have always thought that adhering to my “principles” was essential to living a peaceful life. In fact, that idea itself is a core principle for many of us. I still think it’s important in that respect.

    One of the purposes of trying to learn more about anything, including history and philosophy, is to gain a different perspective on that sort of stuff. The challenge is to come up with the logic pattern that makes the person come up with something so seemingly different from my own “accepted knowledge.”

    I commented primarily to show that the idea isn’t radically new, just radically different, and maybe helpful against some Democrat arguments. Pragmatism consists of doing “what works,” and there are lots of people who would call themselves pragmatists. And this philosophical position is essentially about doing what works best for the person making the decision. It’s also qualified by the opening phrase: “…in governing or politics, principles are worse than useless because they get in the way of opportunity and necessity.” Whether for good or for bad, this happens every now and then in our politics. Nixon opened up China. Clinton passed welfare reform. Had they felt constrained by their “principles,” that wouldn’t have happened.

    “Best” implies a set of priorities, and those are personal decisions we all make, consciously or unconsciously. This seems to be about conscious decisions. And Guicciardini tempered his position by the seemingly contradictory admonition that following uninformed self-interest always ends badly.

    Rush discussed the NYT article behind Erick’s column today. Check his website for his opinions. I think it impinges on our political life when the question arises, “Well, you’re against ObamaCare. Do you intend to accept your Social Security check when it comes around? Should we eliminate SS?” No matter how you feel, a consideration should NOT be that “Smaller government is our goal (a foundational principle) so we should therefore eliminate Social Security.” IOW, don’t be a slave to your principles in a way that cuts off workable alternatives.

    “This part, …would gladden the heart of every RINO in the GOP.”

    That sounds negative. Why should it be bad to keep the greater good in mind when deciding on a plan of action, with the caveat that there are limits beyond which we don’t go? That’s just common practice. The most effective politicians probably have a higher threshold on their political limits than on their personal ones, but usually they stop short of felonies.

  • dennis1111

    Frasier of course had many sources. He is widely respected on the early or primitive tribes. Per TGB this was a widespread practice.
    I read this book over 30 years ago but as I recall,It was each year. I suspected old or otherwise feeble but wise personages would assume the mantle. Well, if annual burning were prevalent now I doubt we would get much entrenchment. The pay-off would have to be terriffic. Maybe a dynastic system where the oldest member of a very large clan would rule for a brief span. Well, we don’t have such options. Really I didn’t make this stuff up. I think burning the tree in efigy was a welcome change of ritual dispite the obvious bad consequence of power accumulation. Maybe this is the origin of a princely power manifest through inherited title…

    I appreciate our short term system. I would appreciate even more if there were pretty strict term limits. The urge to spend your efforts getting re-elected appear too great for hooomans to resist. Entrenchment and cronyism make honest rule hard to come by. It does make principle expensive. Best, dlc

  • dennis1111

    It is the unequal treatment under the law that galls with the graduated income tax.It goes against the spirit and letter of our Constitution.

    Talk about the ability of the press to skew things. I think Wilson was determined to get us off on a progressive foot. He passed the Federal Reserve stuff and the graduated income tax together. He also took a stab at the League of Nations. I suspect Wilson did have complicit among the rich but I doubt there was any large scale agreement. That sounds rather like the next guy stepping up on the smoldering ruins of the previous leader and volunteering for the job.

    Mises seems to think that inflation happens when more money is printed. It may take a while for prices to rise. We also have a loss of housing value which is pretty deflationary-this could hide the inflationary pressures. Of course the world reserve status does prop up the $. Most of the new $ also seems to go into the big hands-ECB…-and that slows down it’s effect on the price of things we the people buy. I have noticed an increase in food prices which may be an early indicator.

    I agree the powers that spend probably do expect to monetize the debt. That would at least pay off the debt while decreasing our holdings. The way they are doing it now, lending to Greece, ECB, GM etc. just grows the debt and pushes prices. As if Obama and his ilk actually wanted to crush America. If they are intent on growing consumer spending, Bernanke’s idea of dropping money from helicopters would be better than sending it to the ECB.

    One thing we have every reason to expect is inflation. Volker said, No government in the history of the world has ever failed to handle it’s excessive debt by inflating the currency. Your thoughts are well put. Thank you, dlc

  • Flagstaff

    I didn’t believe you. As I said, how do you get the next year’s office filled, even IF you appeal to older people who are living on borrowed time? If this was from a small pool of possibilities, I think you’d quickly run out of volunteers. Beautiful virgins thrown into the volcano to appease the gods didn’t usually go of their own free will, did they? But that was just a conjecture about the situation, not an accusation that it wasn’t accurate.

    You hit on the benefits of term limits pretty well. The disadvantages are real, too, including a steep learning curve during each new incumbency. Additional power for the bureaucracy. A “career track” of local, state, low federal, and high federal offices for those who want to be well experienced when they get to the highest office. We can see what no political experience coupled with ideological dogmatism has brought us recently.

    The idea of rapid turnover to avoid an accumulation of power was tried in Florence around the end of the 15th century. The constitution that they set up in 1495 called for a Great Council of about 500 members of the “old political families, that is, any who had held office for at least three generations”* to make civic policy (imagine a city council today of that size–still, this was a city-state with different concerns). It was to have at least 28 members leave and be replaced by new blood (elected by the council itself) every year, primarily to avoid the problems you mention and “to avoid the closed oligarchy in effect in Venice,”* upon whose constitution the Florentine document was based.

    It turned out to be a failure. Combined with other problems of the day, the lack of consistent leadership resulted in a state which floundered somewhat aimlessly for several years. In those years, it slipped from its former glory, as the whole of Italy did eventually.

    The fact that we have succeeded so well for so long with the current balance of office-holding laws makes me a little leery about changing them significantly. We seem to have found a good balance between entrenchment and inexperience. But 15 terms in the House or 5 terms in the Senate do seem to be excessive, especially since we have the presidency term-limited and it has probably been more beneficial than harmful.

    *Kenneth Bartlett, The Italian Renaissance, @The Teaching Company, 2005

    Correction: I have to say the my previous statements about Guicciardini are woefully incomplete and inaccurate. Checking back, I found that he was perfectly at ease with lawbreaking and mayhem, once he decided what his end goal should be. Although he was a historian himself, he also believed that history was useless to study except for the information it could provide, but not as an example of what may be a good or bad path in current times.

    The man was brilliant, but his conclusions about objective reality and personal behavior seem internally contradictory to me. I should have just said he had observed that following a preconceived set of principles slavishly can lead to sub-optimal results. I think that I partly understand how it fits together and how it relates to what Erick wrote, but I haven’t been able to convey it on paper. My apologies.

  • Flagstaff

    I agree that this is at least the most perilous time the country has faced since the Civil War. It, too, is brought about by intense division within the country. This time, it’s more than just different opinions about a few issues–there is an active movement on one side to divide us into factions about many lesser issues. I suppose it’s so that they don’t have to face unified opposition on the big issues.

    And then there are the empty promises. This should be the Obama theme song.

    You, With your masquerading And you,
    Always contemplating What to do,
    In case heaven has found you
    Can’t you see That it’s all around you
    So follow me

    Hey come on, babe
    Follow me
    I’m the Pied Piper
    Follow me
    I’m the Pied Piper
    And I’ll show you where it’s at
    Come on, babe
    Can’t you see
    I’m the Pied Piper
    Trust in me
    I’m the Pied Piper
    And I’ll show you where it’s at

    Lyrics www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/crispian_st_peters/

  • Flagstaff

    you shouldn’t have had to pay any penalties for IRA withdrawal last year. Unless of course you have invested with a scam of some kind.

  • Flagstaff

    “Correction: I have to say the my previous statements about Guicciardini are woefully incomplete and inaccurate. Checking back, I found that he was perfectly at ease with lawbreaking and mayhem, once he decided what his end goal should be. Although he was a historian himself, he also believed that history was useless to study except for the information it could provide, but not as an example of what may be a good or bad path in current times.

    The man was brilliant, but his conclusions about objective reality and personal behavior seem internally contradictory to me. I should have just said he had observed that following a preconceived set of principles slavishly can lead to sub-optimal results. I think that I partly understand how it fits together and how it relates to what Erick wrote, but I haven?t been able to convey it on paper. My apologies.”

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