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Did Fred Hiatt Change the Mission and Just Not Tell Anyone?

Conservatives have come to expect liberal organizations to hire purported “conservatives” to cover the conservative movement in a way that self-affirms liberal notions of conservative neanderthal-ism.

But there is a problem in Jennifer Rubin covering conservatives at the Washington Post. According to the Post’s ombudsman, Patrick Pexton, editorial page editor Fred Hiatt hired Rubin “to be an opinion blogger who would appeal to conservatives and people who want to follow conservative politics. She does.”

It is the “appeal to conservatives” that is problematic when coupled with the affirmation that “she does.” For the past year, Rubin has done more to hinder the Washington Post in the eyes of conservatives as a place willing to treat conservative views honestly than even hiring Ezra Klein and Greg Sargent, both activist leftists who can, at least, put aside partisanship to occasionally engage in good reporting. We can presume that Fred Hiatt has changed the mission from “appeal to conservatives” to “appeal to liberal notions about conservatives.”

Today, Jennifer Rubin discovers that Rick Santorum is a devout Catholic and, through leaps of logic that would defy Cirque Du Soleil, arrives at a laughable conclusion not in evidence that puts a big spotlight on her understanding of devout Catholics — a core constituency in the modern conservative movement, particularly inside the beltway no less.

In her latest escapade, Rubin discovers that Santorum, a pro-life Catholic, believes that doctors who commit abortion should be prosecuted for killing a child.1

In discovering this and trying to overcome her shock, Rubin first ignores that Santorum and most ardent social conservatives have lllooooonnnnnnngggggggggg held this view — and then she does something that not just proves her ignorance on this issue, but also her pro-Romney agenda driven hostility to Santorum’s conservative convictions. She writes:

As for his comments on prosecuting abortion doctors, this would, I assume, concern the death penalty in states that impose capital punishment for murder. After all, it would be contrary to his views (that unborn children are people under the Constitution) to decide for criminal law purposes that an unborn child is any less a person, and deserving of less protection, than any other person.

As Jennifer Rubin is clearly not aware, devout Catholics are opposed to both abortion and the death penalty. Yes, dear reader, you may be shocked to learn, but devout Catholics are the most pro-life of all pro-lifers. Where Presbyterians like me are quite comfortable opposing abortion and supporting the death penalty based on our reading of Romans 13, devout Catholics and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church are opposed to both abortion and the death penalty.

On Santorum more particularly, he has maintained support for the death penalty as it exists, but while in the Senate was opposed to its expansion for other crimes, voted to limit its use, and in 2005 told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that

“I felt very troubled about cases where someone may have been convicted wrongly. DNA evidence definitely should be used when possible. I agree with the pope that in the civilized world … the application of the death penalty should be limited. I would definitely agree with that. I would certainly suggest there probably should be some further limits on what we use it for.

In fact, of all the Republican Presidential candidates, Rick Santorum has offered only the weakest support for the death penalty and has repeatedly sought to curtail it, never to expand it.

In other words, Jenn Rubin extrapolates from Rick Santorum’s devout Catholic views on abortion that he would advocate criminalizing abortion and somehow fails to both know that Rick Santorum is not a staunch death penalty advocate and further extrapolates that, despite his devout Catholicism and his record on the issue that Santorum would champion expanding the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions — something that does not stand up to either Santorum’s record as a public official or how he publicly reconciles his faith with positions.

It may be hard for Jenn Rubin to comprehend, but devout Catholics are so intense on the right to life issue, they really aren’t willing to hold on to the life issue at birth and give up on it at the end. What’s good for the child in utero is good for everyone else. It is, in fact, the most consistent pro-life approach, even though I disagree with it. Had she studied Santorum’s record on the issue, she’d see that those times the death penalty has come up in his career he has not exactly championed it, but has instead accepted it as (1) constitutional, (2) let it remain as part of the law, and (3) tried to curtail its use and application.

At this point, I don’t think even my friend Quin Hillyer can maintain that Jenn Rubin might support Rick Santorum.

More troubling, the Washington Post’s Fred Hiatt believes Rubin is supposed to not just cover conservatives for the typical left-wing reader of the Post, but also expand the pool of the Post’s readership to conservatives.

When a majority of conservatives have rejected Mitt Romney and the Post’s in-house conservative blogger not only routinely assails all the Republican candidates but Romney (with the caveat that she will praise non-Romney candidates whose actions benefit Romney) and does so while showing no understanding, no matter how nuanced, of basic conservative positions like abortion and life issues, the Washington Post needs to rethink its strategy.


  1. I should also point out that in Jennifer Rubin’s apparent shock today that Rick Santorum believes abortion should be made illegal and doctors punished for aborting children, Rubin seems completely aghast at what has been a very long held position among pro-lifers and, in general, the greater social conservative section of the conservative movement. This goes back to, at least, Ronald Reagan’s campaign putting a pro-life plank in the GOP Platform in 1980. Surely someone chosen to cover the conservative movement should have a sense of history about that movement.

COMMENTS

  • mong001

    of which Santorum was a major proponent, contained penalties for abortionists that I believe were relatively mild and, anyway, definitely did not include the death penalty. Ridiculous attempt by Rubin to attach a position to Santorum that he has never supported.

  • jon11

    Rubin is for Romney.

    Big deal. At least she’s for someone. You guys bounce from candidate to candidate. “As long as it ain’t Romney thats fine by me!”

    My dad went to a tea party rally the other night. I asked him “who are they for this week?”

    Santorum of course, but expect them to dump him if newt rises again from the dead.

    What i don’t like or get about this whole ‘conservative movement’ is this: why do the jonny come lately’s think they get to tell everyone else in the world who is conservative and who isn’t?

    I’ve never voted for a democrat in my life on any level…local, state, national…and i’m not a conservative?

    give me a break.

    You are aware that ‘conservatism’ existed before redstate.com.? I believe Edmund Burke was a conservative.

    The tory party in britain (all conservatives) would be considered socialists here.

    And finally, about ‘conservatives having rejected Mitt romney.’

    If by that you mean tea party people…maybe thats true.

    But this is a republican primary (last i checked) and republicans have not rejected mitt romney.

    so far he’s gotten 1.2 million votes to santorum’s 430,000.

  • littlehouse18

    That doesn’t justify grossly distorting his opponents’ views.

  • John6078

    Santorum is embarassing the party this weekend. We can’t a presidential campaign separating people on social issues anymore than Obama can win with class warfare.

  • Paul_Zummo

    Erick says, “devout Catholics and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church are opposed to both abortion and the death penalty.”

    On abortion, yes, but not the death penalty. The Church has never condemned the death penalty. What causes confusion is that recent Popes and Bishops have tended to oppose the usage of the death penalty, leading some to assume that there is a de fact prohibitionist stance within the Church. According to the Catechism:

    Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

    If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

    Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”68

    Now, that last paragraph could be interpreted as meaning that the Church is against the death penalty. But for 2,000 years, the Church has never outright opposed using the death penalty.

    BTW, I say this all as a Catholic who is not in favor of the death penalty.

    Sorry tod derail an otherwise good post. I just wanted that out there on the record.

  • Tbone

    than Santorum. Why wouldn’t the Post support the only Democrat in the Republican race?

  • Tbone

    why is a person who kills a pregnant woman prosecuted for a double homicide?

  • westcoastpatriette

    A doctor who is an abortionist is merely providing the service of “choice” whereas the person who kills a child in utero while committing a crime is murdering an innocent baby. One is an aspect of “health care”, the other a despicable crime.

  • clintonformccain

    Conservatives have come to expect liberal organizations to hire purported ?conservatives? to cover the conservative movement in a way that self-affirms liberal notions of conservative neanderthal-ism.

    CNN wouldn’t hire a conservative blogger to go on air and bash Republican candidates, would they?

  • jamesm

    But it won’t work. Most of us don’t buy it.

  • retrocon87

    This election needs to be relentlessly about Obama, the economy, and the debt… AND THAT’S IT. If we try to turn it into a debate on “church teachings and what exactly we think the punishment should be for abortion doctors” we are going to lose… and we will lose BADLY. What I fear at this point is that while Santorum is solid on the economy and in appealing to Reagan democrats in the rust-belt states he’s going to let things get completely carried away on social issues (which is where he is completely out of the mainstream) and in doing so throw away what could have been an otherwise pretty easily-winnable election… almost to the extent that it makes me drift towards Romney who at least can keep economy the main issue even if he sucks. Santorum needs to realize what his strengths are and be disciplined enough to stick to them or else we’re screwed.

  • jamesm

    if she does support Romney. Trying to maintain a facade of neutrality is a failed strategy to use on conservatives. You lose credibility. Stand up and be counted! Conservatives that I know do not support Romney. His electibility argument is just establishment propaganda. Somebody needs to sit her down and talk to her. I believe in redemption.

  • hisgirlfriday

    as “gone from the world of Christianity as I see it” that just came out that Jenn Rubin mentioned in another column this weekend?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/is-the-not-romney-an-improvement-for-conservatives/2012/02/17/gIQA3g22LR_blog.html#pagebreak

    Doesn’t that trouble you at all as a Presbyterian, Erick? It definitely bugs me as Methodist.

    I am well aware that mainline Protestants have lost a lot of the Christian market share to more conservative non-denominational churches and I am well aware that Catholics regard their faith as the one true church, but even if that comment was said in a Catholic setting after he left office, it sure seems a bit tone deaf for anyone with subsequent political ambitions to get into what Christians are really Christians.

    And it definitely gives me a new perspective than I had previously for what Mitt Romney has to put up with with attacks on whether he is a Christian.

  • aesthete

    what Santorum thinks about my religion. Yes, his comments are idiotic given that he is running for President, rather than archbishop, but there are more concrete reasons to oppose Santorum for President than internecine nonsense.

    We don’t need to refight the 30 years’ war every time we have a Presidential election, people.

  • jamesm

    Social issues are important. A candidate will never know what will pop up in 4 years of a presidential term. This is a Christian nation founded on Judeo/Christian values. To say that Santorum is embarassing the party is liberal theological dogma. Don’t buy that nonsense

  • retrocon87

    as far as most of the general electorate is concerned, virtually all of santorum’s social views are tone-deaf…. as much as he loves talking about them and feeling like “he is a crusader for morality even if it means he loses,” for many of us this election is about winning and getting rid of Obama, not just “making a statement on social issues, and if it means we lose then so be it.”

    Santorum is going to have to be able to acknowledge that at the end of the day when the MSM and Obama try to focus on his crazy social views, he’s going to need to be able to answer it briefly but then (very quickly) pivot everything back to the economy and the debt where we actually have a fighting chance tow in. As much as he loves defending his social views, I’m looking for someone to beat Obama… not just a “potential martyr for the cause of social morality.”

  • elayman

    another odd Santorum claim I believe to paraphrase from a previous quote.

    Hopefully there are still enough mainline Protestants in the GOP that Newt (or Romney) could hurt Santorum now with this. Rick may not be getting many votes from people who belong to mainline Protestant churches ? but he can?t afford to be seen as bigoted against what is still a Republican voter bloc.

  • oldlady

    columns have so bordered on the fanatic that one would think the Post would be embarrassed to have her on their staff. I’ve been wondering why they don’t just let her go and work directly for the Romney campaign and let THEM pay for her salary,

  • Bill S

    Mainline denominations are in a shambles.

    I’ve been a member of congregations of United Methodist, SBC, Evangelical Free, non-denominational, and Presbyterian Church in America…where Erick attends…so I think I have a pretty firm grasp on mainline and non-mainline churches. I can say with certainty that most mainline Protestant churches in this country are a disaster, and their membership numbers bear it out.

  • Wiseman

    Whatever Rush Limbaugh’s codeine induced brain tells him. Eric has no original thoughts or ideas. His constant Romney bashing on CNN proves that he is not ready for primetime. Santorum, while a good man, is not qualified to be the leader of the free world! Romney is a good man also and Eric makes him out to be evil because he doesn’t fall in line with his extreme views. Santorum would lose 40 states if he is the nominee. His last loss in 2006 is a good preview of how things would end up. I am conservative and I agree with Rubin more so than petty EE.

  • jamesm

    are social values and are very important to the electorate. There is a portion of the electorate that realizes that the core of a persons beliefs are founded on their values. Because we are social animals there is no avoiding the discussion.

  • GregInFla

    A life is taken in every abortion, which is not health “care” in the usual circumstances when abortion is used as birth control, to prevent one “from being punished with a baby,” as Dear Leader says.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    she ‘needs’ to come out of the closet about that as much as Liberace needed to come out of his.

    But certainly a disclaimer like “I’m Mitt Romney and I approve this message” wouldnt hurt.

  • honoraryintern

    x2. Never been Catholic, Methodist, or Lutheran, but almost every other stripe while looking for Christ followers instead Denominations. Why do you think the Anglican church is growing so fast?

    The 2k member Episcopal church my grandparents help build is S Florida is now ~500 people. Average age is past retirement.

    Only fiscal conservatives and Obama will believe this is an issue.

  • jamesm

    nt

  • jamesm

    read their bibles. Yes, there are some minor differences in denominatinates. Churches are not doing a good enough job reaching out to the youth.

  • retrocon87

    and I’m saying that he is going to need to be able to have the discipline to keep his message on that “it is fundamentally UNFAIR to tax away everyone’s income to expand the federal government,” that the “TRUTH is that as enthralled as many are with having a welfare state, the country is broke and will need to get spending under control in order to sustain any semblance of a solid economic future,” and that “as opposed to socialism and a nanny state people should have the FREEDOM to decide what they do with their own wealth.” If he is able to do this then we’ll probably have a decent shot at winning. If he tries to turn it into a “morality war,” we won’t. As inconvenient as it may be for him, the vast majority of the electorate happens to like their birth control and doesn’t give a damn about “Obama’s theology.” If he is willing to have the discipline to keep the debate on the economy and the debt where we can win, then great. If he would rather just stand on a soapbox and preach about morality, he shouldn’t be running for president.

  • tngal

    the company in this foxhole go dig another one downfield somewhere. Ok, so your a mitt-mutt. No problem. But, just as EE has another, or perhaps no particular candidate to squeeze tonight, doesn’t give you the right to attack him. There are other front pagers who do like Romney, and some Santorum. So don’t be a jerk.

  • aesthete

    but what in the cosmos does it have to do to the federal government? Neither Santorum nor any other social conservative has the latent superpower of making Americans avid Bible readers which activates upon election to higher office.

    Focus on what is attainable, people.

  • littlehouse18

    They are taking him out of context. He was just saying the truth about Obama and his ‘religion’ – the religion of the left – communism, radical environmentalism, etc. The media needs to silence truth-tellers. Yes, they are trying to portray him as a fanatic. But they will play this game against any of our candidates in one way or another.

    I think Santorum’s boldness will make people start to pay attention. Reagan was protrayed as a fanatic too, I remember it well, and it is starting to feel like deja vu. Sure, Santorum is not Reagan, but he’s the closest we have among the crop, and he’s a really smart and decent guy.

  • jamesm

    He did have a great segment on Face the Nation today. Spun Bob Schieffer like a top. I was encouraged.

  • clintonformccain

    …I would like to think that the Republican front-runner could come up with something to talk about besides attacking pre-natal testing, the death of Protestant denominations, and the President’s lack of Christian values.

    IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!

  • clintonformccain

    Santorum has gone Full-Metal Falwell this weekend. I don’t know WHAT he is thinking.

  • jamesm

    by people of faith. The core of our great nation is their faith. Without the core principles of christianity this nation will cease to exist. The constitution was created for a moral people. What is attainable is removing Obama from office. From an electoral college point of veiw Santorum can win Mich, Ohio, Penn in the general. These swing states gives Repubs the win.

  • jamesm

    You are not conservative.

  • littlehouse18

    I have seen a number of his recent interviews and he’s done a great job of deflecting the interviewers when all they want him to talk about is social issues. Very impressive. He is learning very quickly and is speaking very astutely. Someone here on Redstate has a link to his “Off the Record” interview in Michigan, which was great.

    I am very pleased how he’s handling things because I was worried that he’d take the bait. Not so much now. They will try to destroy him on social issues, but they will also try to destroy Romney on Bain and Mormonism. You can’t tell me that they won’t try to paint Romney as part of a crazy polygamous cult, They are just saving up their Mormon stories, such as that cult sect in Texas with the child brides/mothers. They won’t worry about the LDS vote because it’s not going to Obama anyway.

  • demsaresatanic

    by his 18 point loss last time. There is more to it than the standard “bad Republican year” excuse explains; it was apparently the worst showing by an incumbent Senator in Penn history, and it was more than merely being Republican that did him in.

  • littlehouse18

    The leadership of these churches is leftwing, sometimes ultra-left. The best you can say is that many are basically Liberation Theology advocates.

    In fact, a leader of the Episcopal ‘church’ denied the Resurrection and divinity of Christ. That is the work of evil, whether you give it the name Satan or whatever. It is surely not Christian.

    A friend in ‘Christian’ seminary told me that most of the professors there are leftist and she thinks they might well be atheist because they are always tearing down the Christian faith. Seminary is where you go to get the required diploma and hope you come out of there with your faith intact.

    That said, local congregations vary quite a bit, and you can still find sustenance in most, even if they are liberal.

  • baracksolyndraobama

    …what about the Obama fist bumps over at your employer, CNN.

    Waiting to hear your objections to Piers and Soledad’s actions…. Uh, oh, is that crickets I hear chirping?

    Prediction, EE could become CNN’s Joe Scarborough. I can easily picture him playing an equal role of a Republican totally willing to trash the party/conservative movement and hang out with the NYT/Wapo crowd in a similar gang-bang to do so.

    Defense of Obama operative War Room Stephanoupolus (sic?) last week on WSB a great example his attributing better motives to the Left than some on our side.

    Keep it up. No doubt CNN will expand your role.

  • littlehouse18

    I think they are on to Obama now, at least outside of Philadelphia. The Philly voter intimidation machine will make sure that city is 100% for the One.

  • retrocon87

    As a 25 year old Jew I can’t say this is really any of my business obviously, but my experience in college was that I definitely had friends who were pretty into religion but they were all members of “campus crusade for Christ” and were self-described evangelicals… Everyone else saw going to church or synagogue essentially just as a chore that their parents forced them to do as kids but that they now don’t feel any particular need for. What exactly the theological differences are between all the different denominations is beyond me, but this was my observation… I had a handful of borderline-observant Jewish friends and there were a few of Catholics that always went to mass on Sunday but the only giant, organized group of people on campus who were really enthusiastic about their religion were the evangelicals… And as many evangelicals as there were, there were about 5 times as many atheists who thought is was “intellectually fashionable to not believe in God.” Not good.

  • aesthete
  • WillWong

    NT

  • retrocon87

    not cool, dogg…

  • aesthete

    Santorum lost as a result of a) policies that he supported, and b) statements that he made. PA voters support Obama over Santorum at this point in time by over 7 points.

  • littlehouse18

    I’m just saying, as a native Pennsylvanian, I think they will prefer Santorum to Obama. They essentially voted against Obama in 2010.

  • retrocon87

    yeah, its programming focused on political commentary alone is a disaster, but they’re no MSNBC… and as far as election coverage goes, I remember a few weeks ago they were covering every development of the Nevada caucuses live while Fox was showing a pre-taped Huckabee interview with Meryl Streep… and EE is part of the election coverage, not the other crap. The election night coverage is a legit, and that’s what EE contributes to.

  • littlehouse18

    I’ll bet he’s made a number of appearances this weekend, but they focus on this one in a religious venue, and they twist his words.

  • Wiseman

    Ever heard the term, mind numb robot? My guess is that would describe you. With that said, we will be voting for the same person come November!

  • clintonformccain

    On Meet the Press today:

    <a href=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/19/santorum_obamas_worldview_upside-down.html]Meet the Press interview[/a]

    Breathtaking. I don't know if I've ever seen a bigger trainwreck in term of general election positioning. Rommey isn't Mr. Excitement, but at least he doesn't keep walking into roundhouse haymakers.

  • clintonformccain
  • clintonformccain

    Frrom a political standpoint, that was a complete trainwreck from start to finish. If the Republican nominee keep that up in the fall, it would be blowout of Mike Dukakis or McGovern proportions.

    Staking out a position against pre-natal testing and public schools? Really?

  • Bill S

    Bye.

  • clintonformccain

    Meanwhile, the Repubican frontrunner walked right into punch after punch after punch, spending the entire news cycle on social issue positions that will be viewed as extreme by many independent swing voters. Especially women. I mean, how how on God’s green earth does a Republican nominee benefit by saying that insurance policies shouldn’t pay for pre-natal testing. Is that really a place to hang your political hat?

    I mean, what the heck, why not go all in and lets make the election about “forcing young girls” to get Gardisal vaccinations…

    “IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID”

  • stumpy

    You seem to not understand that being a republican, even a devout one, does not mean your a conservative. Conservative is a relative term to the place and age anyway. Different people define conservative in different ways.

    Rubin is a dishonest hack. I care not for Romney but will vote for him in the general if I have to. Its looking like santorum will win Michigan, which would likely prevent a Mitt win outright. Leaving a brokered convention. It is looking more like the regional breakdown is correct. I believe both Sean Trende and Jay Cost have covered this.

  • jamesm

    No excuses. This election against Obama. I believe Santorum wins his home state.

  • jamesm

    He is not against pre-natal care. Does not like forced pre-natal testing.

  • acat

    /dev/null

  • clintonformccain

    Well, that’s a relief. I can see swing independents flocking to the Santorum candidacy in the fall now that they they know he’s not against pre-natal care, too!

  • clintonformccain

    You might want to pour a stiff drink before watching it. As someone who desperately wants a Republican nominee to kick Barry’s behind up one side and down the other in November, I just want to scream that THIS is what the frontrunner is talking about — and seems to think that it’s just peachy.

    Santorum Trainwreck Video Link

  • honoraryintern

    They don’t go to church (Obama didn’t want the pressure of choosing a DC Church). Are you faulting Rick for using the term ‘theology’? If it’s what drives them to double the price of gas in the face of a recession and spend billions on failed Eco technologies, what do you call it?

  • retrocon87

    WHY THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT PRE-NATAL CARE?!?!?? We have a $15 trillion debt, a disaster of an economy, a borderline-marxist president, and the guy we’re trying to convince ourselves to support is bringing up crazy social issues for no particular reason that 80% of the electorate think he’s a crackpot on??? I always liked Santorum but am beginning to think he’s not really taking this seriously enough… he’s just using this as a free mega-phone to promote his social views and the only reason we’re taking him seriously is because we hate everyone else… and that’s it.

  • aesthete

    for those of us who think we should be focusing on the debt and the economy.

    Schieffer apologizes to Santorum for not getting to the prepared questions about the economy. Santorum’s response?

    Schieffer: “Senator, I want to thank you very much for being with us this morning. I’d hoped to ask you some question about the economy, but frankly you made so much news yesterday out there on the campaign trail I felt compelled to ask you about [social issues].”

    Santorum: “I’m happy to make news about important issues of the day that obviously don’t get talked about a lot.”

    12 minutes, 45 seconds of Santorum not talking about the debt or the economy… and that’s his answer.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • clintonformccain

    ..when I got to that part of the interview. It almost makes me wish Sharron Angle would jump into the race.

  • clintonformccain

    Pre-natal care? Pre-natal care?

    If you had come to me last fall and suggested that the Repubublican front runner would be spending his precious national TV time focused on pre-natal care, I would have looked at you like you were from Mars.

    Pre-natal care? Let’s go back to Gardisal….

  • jamesm

    Maybe these guys should never do an interview with a Lib. Just flip em off? Lol. hmmm..not a bad idea..

  • aesthete

    The questions were all based on statements made by Santorum on the campaign trail… that same week.

    Someone needs to get Santorum a leash.

  • aesthete

    Whoops.

  • jamesm

    His supporter made an error. So? Anti god libs are always going to attack. They try but they get nowhere. What error? He actually spun Schieffer’s head today. He is performing well and will knock out Romney in Mich.

  • retrocon87

    at this point essentially seems to be between Romney who will just completely and transparently say whatever he thinks he needs to say in order to win (which in and of itself results in him losing), Santorum who will say whatever crazy thing he thinks even when he knows damn well that it will kill us, and Newt who polls 20 points behind Obama because most women voters in the country (and not exactly for insufficient reason) thinks is a complete scumbag that they could never in a million years vote for.

    What exactly does a conservative do at this point who still ideally wants to win this thing somehow? A brokered convention??? I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how this would work exactly…

  • retrocon87

    work as red-meat issues to rally the base. In the general election when independents hear Santorum ranting against amniocentesis and think he’s a lunatic we are not going to be able to cover it by just blaming the MSM and think it will mean something to anyone besides us.

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • JSobieski

    That IS an error, and it was Santorum’s error.

    He let the left shape the interview in such a way as to make sure independents won’t be drawn to him.

    It is a microcosm of why I don’t think Santorum is a strong candidate.

    The econ stuff isn’t really what he is interested in. It isn’t what he is about.

  • Adjoran

    She replaced Dave Weigel, who pretended to be a conservative or libertarian to get close to conservatives and then talk trash about them. His only act conservatives approved was his accidental outing of the Journ-O-List cabal of propagandists trying to skew coverage to the left.

    It’s WaPo, for crying out loud! You expect “conservative” voices? The token slots are taken.

  • greenpoint

    What about all the pro life benefits of pre natal testing? More than ever, today in vitro surgery is being performed on the baby to correct serious heart problems and other life threatening ailments before the baby is born. This could all be lost with exclision of testing as a paid benefit.

  • greenpoint

    hello george

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …on my Diary-site, which hyperlinks to Guzzardi’s “Liberty Blog.”

    We are candid; he has a lot of work to do, but it can be done.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …I can attest to the fact that you depict later-year conduct, as well.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and, quite frankly, I think he handled himself well.

    The ending was not unnerving; he politely stated [with sarcasm intact] that he’d be more than happy to explain whatever the MSM/LSM/ELM considers newsworthy.

  • dudette

    love Newt because he can steer the debate or the interviewer to HIS points and make his statement unimpeded by their noise.

  • dudette

    yourself up to MSM when you are only going to be hammered later by being taken out of context. I wonder if candidates cant just go directly to the people via internet TV ads, whatever and avoid the Katie Couric type intervew that destroye Palin—we need to cut loose from the MSM and the beltway insiders and bypass them all. just not sure how…!

  • renl57

    …but we’re not a “Christian nation.”

    There is nothing about Christianity in the Constitution. Nothing.

    And the First Amendment bans a national government-backed church or religion.

    I’m sick of hearing that we’re a Christian nation. Our Founding Fathers could have put much more about Christianity in the Constitution if they had wanted to. They didn’t.

  • renl57

    Go to Santorum’s campaign website and check out the “Issues” section.

    http://www.ricksantorum.com/issues

    Guess which issue Santorum has placed at the very top of his list of issues. ObamaCare? No, that’s more than halfway down on the list. Jobs? No. The national debt? No. The Middle East? No.

    Give up?
    The top issue on Santorum’s campaign website is: Pornography. That’s right, that’s Number One on his Hit Parade.

    ObamaCare was more than halfway down on the list; even on my large monitor screen I had to scroll my browser a whole page in order to find it.

    That ordering is absurd.
    And it’s reflective of Santorum’s priorities.

    Putting pornography ahead of all else.

    Pornography is not an issue in 2012 for anyone but Santorum. It hasn’t even been discussed much on RS these past months.

  • renl57

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLW_xtFH-U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJTJyhug_c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teW9wvpelL8

  • renl57

    …No politician should lecture the American people about their personal failings in his eyes.

    I didn’t like it when Jimmy Carter did it in his infamous “malaise” speech of 1979, calling the American people selfish and apathetic.

    I don’t like it when Obama does it with his “bitter clingers” remarks and other similar remarks.

    And I don’t like it when Santorum does it about our sexual and procreative practices. He may think that birth control has enabled Americans to engage in what he considers to be unnatural non-procreative sexual practices, but he has no right to judge the American people publicly.

    Carter, Obama, and Santorum are all supposed to be public servants. And a servant isn’t paid to judge his employer harshly.

  • radicalrighty

    And who knows what any of them would do about the deficit. All I know is ANY of our candidates, especially the executive Romney, would submit ballanced budgets annually.

    We have got to realize this and stop the bashing – back whomever is our favorite, but ENTHUSIASTICALLY acknowledge that any of the three will do the right thing regarding the critical issues facing the US.

  • elayman

    And the media is going to be only too happy to oblige/bait him at every turn.

    It is up to the general Republican electorate to come together like adults and solve the structural faults within our economic system that urgently need to be addressed. If we can’t focus on securing our national future now there won’t be time to disagree later. Hopefully it will depress his polling because a long-term strategy of the party to steer ordinary voters into focusing on wedge issues rather than the economic policies is the real highway to hell in this country.

  • floridaveteran

    The Declaration of Independence is our nation’s reason for existing. The US Constitution is the manual of operations.

    IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

  • floridaveteran

    “If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people?s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.”

    There is always a “…non-lethal means…” so the death penalty is always off the table.

  • Christine

    The sections you’re quoting there would fall into the Judeo-Christian category, not just Christian.

    We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values. We are not a “Christian nation” or even an “Judeo-Christian nation”. We do not have a national religion.

  • clintonformccain

    And, it was pretty unnerving if you want a Republican nominee who isn’t going to get blownout in a landslide come November. A diatribe against amniocentesis testing? Really? That’s where the Republican base wants to hang its hat in 2012?

  • acat

    As I understand it, exit polling in the early States did not show women abandoning Gingrich. Therefore, polling showing he’s underwater with women are suspect to me.

    I’ll grant Newt’s got a tougher row to hoe than the happily-married Romney, but the evidence states it’s not an impossible task.

    I believe Santorum is a shooting star who can’t last, but he has managed to push Romney off his game. I’ll note it was Perry who proved Romney *could* be pushed off his game in the debates, by the way… Santorum followed the trail Perry blazed.

    Santorum’s gotten a solid boost out of winning 3 primaries that awarded 0 delegates, and that a small fraction of the respective States came out to vote in *because* they were just beauty contests. Santorum is busy squandering that boost by – as I’ve said elsewhere – going to his comfort-zone social issues rather than discussing the issues that will turn this election, jobs and the economy.

    As for what to do? Watch and wait, and in the meantime, a musical interlude.

    Mew

  • mizzou1776

    If it were up to republicans like you we would never have nominated Ronald Reagan. I admit to meeting “you” at the country club: no doubt you regard value-neutral “teaching” as progress at your kiddies country day school. Actually you are just a democrat who is fiscally responsible. Let us Conservatives solve the country’s problems for you (as you ridicule us!).

  • mizzou1776

    The Founders did not want a King or a Church of England but they were achristian. And as David Mamet recently noted this is a Christian nation.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • lapert

    In FL, according to exit polls, he polled eight points worse with women than men. In SC he polled four points worse.

  • rightland1111

    I was reading an article concerning a third party candidate … Walker was his name and he was pointing out that America needed another Ross Perot. Now…don’t get crazy on me here. The reason he stated this is because Perot made issues “understandable” to most Americans. This is true whether you agree with his philosophy or not…he did make his points for the entire electorate to understand.

    Now, about Newt. He has done something that is worth noting and it shows leadership…He will not let the MSM DEFINE the issue. What Gingrich needs to adopt is Perot’s simplistic style of explaining policy so that the majority of Americans understand it. We are not all historians…and Newt tends to go off the reservation…but if he were able to adopt this easy to understand approach with his ability to restate the issue correctly…we might just win this election.

  • acat

    Think Obama can make the case as effectively as Willard did?

    Mew

  • acat

    Gingrich seems quite capable of talking about econ stuff.

    Mew

  • acat

    Scheiffer let Santorum “control the interview” .. right into Santorum’s comfort zone issues.

    It’s not the interviewer who’s the problem here. All Santorum had to do was utter a simple “but I came here to discuss the economy, Bob” or “and now let’s shift to job creation, Bob.” and it would have either drawn the kind of obvious sparks Santorum needs, or – more likely – the interview would have moved to jobs.

    This is a newbie fail.

    Mew

  • lapert

    Maybe, these are just the numbers – it is fairly easy to come up with dozens of ‘explanations’ for them some of which would lead one to believe Newt is doomed in a general some of which would lead you to believe it is immaterial.

    But if there are national general election polls that show a significant gap in his support among women I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand because it would fit with at least one reasonable explanation of data we have already seen.

  • westcoastpatriette

    The question is how to make the transition.

    For starters, the Republican Party should refuse to allow the leftist interrogations to continue by refusing to schedule debates on their networks. We could quickly fill the gap by creating our own panel of interviewers that did not include anyone who despises us. We would do fine and would easily be able to provide internet media connections whereby we would see substantive debates. It would also allow us to showcase conservatism in a positive light without all the hysteria and distortions that the left uses against our views.

    The time to make the transition was yesterday.

  • aesthete

    Like those legendary balanced budgets from the Bush years.

    They might submit budgets, but balanced they will not be.

  • jacobite

    Where the hell does this “no-death-penalty” stuff come from? Leftist ‘Catholics’ invented the seamless-web lie to discredit Catholic opposition to abortion, but now Leftists are spinning it to both support abortion and oppose the death penalty — give the devil his due for effrontery. There is not the slightest contradiction to supporting capital punishment for one who takes innocent life after it’s born and opposing aborting innocent life before birth. As always, the Left ignores guilt-or-innocence concerns, because Leftists do not believe in innocence or guilt. That’s why any society which wants to survive must eliminate Leftism. Not vote out, out-argue, or shame them, but eliminate. Make not-exist. As with any human, whenever someone tells you there’s no such thing as guilt or innocence, you can bet the ranch that that person is guilty, and is considered guilty by society’s mores.

  • aesthete

    “A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary.” (Homily at the Papal Mass in the Trans World Dome, St. Louis, Missouri, January 27, 1999).

    AFAIK, official RCC doctrine holds that the death penalty is acceptable in certain, very specific circumstances if all other options have been exhausted. That may not be 100% anti-death penalty, but it’s close.

  • rightland1111

    This is all the man had to do. This is what is going to pull in the not so happy Dems and the Indies…but no…he had to go on about this. I agree with what he says in the interview…excepting that the State should be the primary on the schools. However, his statement about mandated payment by other people for certain procedures is wrong. I believe that these procedures should require an additional co-pay through a private insurer…not the government. Yes, they do recommend abortion, yes Obama was for partial birth abortion (state record) not to mention his introduction of a bill in Illinois for post abortion, meaning leaving the baby to die on a table after it was born to die.

    This ENTIRE INTERVIEW needed to be about the economy…but as you have said…that is not his comfort zone. We need Perry back.

  • rightland1111

    however, it does explain many things about Obama. From this article, which is one of many explaining Black Liberation Theology…we can understand exactly what we are up against with regard to Obama. Paste into the browser. It is disturbing…but not against rules of RedState.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

  • timkellogg

    in an attempt to prove a point of specificity. Those parts you emphasize fit well with Thomas Jefferson’s well-known, non-specific, not-necessarily Christian, or even Judeo-Christian, DEIST views. And Santorum’s virulently anti-libertarian attitude is even more scary than his apparent belief that, with socialism and totalitarianism rapidly taking-over our government, the biggest things we should worry about is abortion and gay-marriage and gays in the military…He is a religious conservative. So are a lot of political liberals.

  • timkellogg

    Where does one find such an animal, as I would prefer that to a big-spending, big-government Republican, ANYTIME. If this be blasphemy, so be it, but I don’t vote for Republicans to grow government and stop abortions and gays. I vote for Republicans because Democrats ALWAYS grow government, and at least Republicans SAY they want to shrink government, SOMETIMES, but they keep showing us they cannot ever be trusted to do anything but grow government in different ways…

  • aesthete

    as it pertains to state-run education. For heavens’ sake, look at the “values” that they’re teaching our kids today, and try to tell me that teaching value-neutral subjects like arithmetic wouldn’t be a better idea.

    Besides, aren’t *parents* supposed to teach virtues? I thought it was socialists who in favor of state control to indoctrinate children.

  • vandalii

    Hmm, this ended up much longer than I expected. Sorry.

    As we watch the Left prance and dance in the MSM about all the Repub candidates, note the soft-shoe is used for Romney while they don hobnail steel-toe boots for Santorum, Newt and (once-up-a-time) Cain & Perry. There’s a reason for that. Dems are smart car players; you don’t tip your hand about the one whose “tell” you know while there are other players in the game whose “tells” aren’t as clear. You buddy up to the one you know you have beat and help him/her beat the other players (or at least don’t add any reasons for the one you know to fold).

    IMO, the Left is keeping its powder dry for Mitt. They have a closet full of junk from past primaries, elections, time in gov’s office and Bain to pull out when he’s the one player left standing. They also have fear, uncertainty and doubt when it comes to religion which can split the conservatives. All in all, the Dems are ready for Mitt and anxious to start to sh*tstorm.

    Not going to say much about Ron Paul. Despite an enthusistic support base, he is too libertarian, too isolationist for the majority of the Repubs. If he were to win the nomination, Dems have plenty of ammo to knock him down.

    The ones that mess up the Dems base are Newt & Santorum. The Catholic vote can be a tricky play. Though the Dems can count on rank and file Union vote (many of which are Catholic traditionally), Catholics within that bloc waver when their religion is under fire (like the current contraception mess). Obama got big numbers from the Catholics since the opposition wasn’t “one of their own” so to speak. From that standpoint, voting for/against a Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc. doesn’t factor in the Catholic voe. But, just as the black vote went to “one of our own” as Samuel L. Jackson recently quipped, once a Catholic is in the running, a lot of formerly sure bets get murky.

    Between Newt and Santorum, there’s dirt on Newt that Dems are comfy with publicizing (multiple marriages, crazy talk in the past, etc.) Plus Pelosi threatened to regale us once again on Newt’s misconduct stuff from the 90′s. However, the Left has no interest whatsoever putting Newt on a debate stage with Obama. That leaves a lot to chance — Newt’s a brilliant debator and doesn’t need a tele-prompter. The Dems don’t like him, but it seems many of us don’t like him, either so the Left may not be as concerned as they were a couple of months ago. They don’t seem to be whacking on Newt as much lately — he appears to be going by the wayside all by himself :-( .

    Santorum, on the other hand, is a whole ‘nother kettle of fish for the Left to combat. This is a devoted family man, one wife, Pro-Life, etc. that runs right down the Catholic list of values: “he’s one of us”. Plus he’s relatively consistent in his voting record. As an aside, if Mitt wins the nomination, my bet on first ads will be the flip-flop stuff like was pulled on Kerry in 2004. He has a better fiscal conservative story than Mitt and has the right mom and apple pie kind of appeal for other conservatives.

    Santorum is the one Dems want least of all. Dems will have to work much harder to pry the Catholics (including Hispanics) back from the “he’s one of us” mentality that remains Obama’s stronghold in the African American community. Waters get murkier, battles become more strident (and easier to cry foul) with Santorum as the nominee.

    I think the worst disaster, however, has been the Republican field’s willingness to provide the Left with plenty of negative material for whoever wins the nomination. We’ve crippled our own, then handed the mallet to the enemy to finish the job :-( .

  • vandalii

    nt

  • timkellogg

    Yeah, but I did see somebody on here state casually that he/she (sorry I don’t recall…) thought that pornography should be outlawed (no word on what meets the definition for this person…), in the middle of a discussion of something else. Pornography is only a word we use because politicians want excuses to ignore the 1st Amendment. Those of you more worried about dirty movies and magazines than authoritarian, micro-managing government will probably be happy when, soon, we are all too broke for porn, or drugs, or booze, or good-time music with provocative lyrics, or sexy, attractive clothing or any of the none-of-your-damned-business things that they’d like to outlaw. The cultural rot lies not with girls showing skin or video games or music or whatever. The rot lies in the fact that people are being conditioned to believe that working to make money is a bad thing and that those who do it, rather than leeching off the rest of us, are the “bad people”. Taking away things people like to spend their own money on only exacerbates the problem.

  • mizzou1776

    Some may prefer amoral anarchy from afar but I doubt you would cut it in the war of all against all (Hobbes, for the monochromatic minded economy fetishists). Marriage did not appear out of the blue at a country club meeting. How do you justify infanticide?

  • mizzou1776

    At private schools there is no one to blame except oneself for allowing PC indoctrination to occur. But my rich, dumb fellow country club Republicans are too worried about appearances to reject such behavior. It is a generation of weak-sisters too timid to stand up for their own child. A decent Public school like Highland Park in Dallas does not allow PC.

  • Rick_Caird

    I stopped reading Rubin after it became obvious she has left herself no room at all to support anyone other than Romney. There is no way she can walk back all her vitriol. I wonder if she is supporting Romney because he is most like Obama and she can keep some street cred in the WaPo newsroom.

  • mizzou1776

    Indeed. You are most welcome & cherished in returning to the Church of Apostilic succession: Roman Catholicism. We need the help!

  • cbartlett

    Rush has said repeatedly – the candidate that can TEACH conservatism – explain how the conservative philosophy benefits the individual and the country as a whole – is the candidate that can win. Newt is a teacher – he always has an explanation to any issue ready (without a telelprompter!). I have only heard talking points from Romney and Santorum – talking points about what THEY think is important and want to discuss – not necessarily what the public wants to hear. Conservative “talk” is not enough – we need constant conservative philosophy behind conservative actions.

  • sktpk

    Hmmm. The death penalty for Leftism. It appeals to that certain non-serious part of me that I try to keep stifled, but still…
    In a free society, which I assume most conservatives are striving for, even people who are wrong get to keep their right to life, and even their right to vote.
    And so I re-apply the stifle.

  • dennis1111

    Yes Rick needs to grow up a little. Politics isn’t religion. I am a conservative. I am a social conservative and a fiscal conservative. My only difference with social conservatives is the death penalty. I side with the Catholic Church. Life is life. This is also the Buddha’s view. I believe The Buddha would make a fine conservative-if he could get through the door of the non-christian stigma. The POTUS cannot stigmatize any segment of the nation. It’s wrong in Obama and it would be wrong in Rick.

    I see a major friction producer between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives being a deep rooted fear that christian modes of thinking which are not part of our Constitution or D of Independence, Will be imposed on everyone in lock step. I don’t agree that it will. But I see the fear and it is not unreasonable in the face of insular stigmatization of seqments of our population.

    We should see to it that the laws are founded on the Constitution-those will be decent God fearing laws. We should leave the rest to the individual decisions. We cannot really do anything else in this country. We are all equal under the law. We are all equally precious. We all have a right to our own moral will.

    It is ok if rick thinks something is a sin. It is not okay if he thinks that is an adequate basis for legal action. Politics is not Religion. Vote your conscience, I do. Don’t demand others be obedient to your conscience. It is the essence of judgement to say thou fool.
    Best, dlc

  • dennis1111

    I read some RR before he was gov of CA. He wasn’t the conservative you picture. He was a broker. He pushed for a united party and a united nation. He made a big tent party.He helped us become more Americans and less, petty groups. If you have an insulated view of political power you will just keep factionalizing until you are powerless. Please don’t invoke RR when you spill these rude declarations. RR was not like that. He was better than that. Best, dlc

  • dennis1111

    But, I haved loved Catholics and I have read Aquinas and Augustine.
    I think you have put your finger on the Crux with your first quote.
    The part about the death penalty being the only way to protect life. You are correct, we are not talking about that situation. Sure if a person is rampant and killing or resisting proper authority with deadly force, there may be no other way to preclude further slaughter.

    We are not discussing that situation. We are talking about a person who has been captured, restrained and is now facing trial. Life in prison is another way to protect life. It is not adequate to say well life isn’t life-he will get out. If that is true then that should be set right. The death penalty is not an appropriate fix for bad law.
    I think the Church got it right and I think you have cleared the air.
    The unnecessary taking of life should not be sanctioned by an enlightened nation. We can do better. Thank you, dlc

  • dennis1111

    Newt is also decent, talented, informed and brilliant. Read his books. Most conservatives I know who have read Newt’s books would choose him over just anybody else. After the south speaks-the conservative south-Newt will be back on top. It is not Rick or Mitt. “No, There is another.” Best, dlc

  • partyless1

    You are using a floating definition of “conservative” with a comparison that has nothing to do with being or not being conservative. The issue is honestly that if one is looking for a conservative to vote for, there is no one currently running that fits the bill. What you are watching is another lesser of the evils debate and not a claim for conservatism, only the candidates are using the term “conservative” to sell themselves as the candidate of choice.

    If you understand the position properly, you will notice that conservatives are tired of beinf force fed candidates that are marginal at best; leading to what a superficial observer would see as being whimisical in their stances. Romney has more votes due in a large part to having backing from the Republican Party Establishment and lots of financing behind him; even at that he may have more votes than others from the primary process that does not always align with the people, and still only has support of about a quarter of the voters with an assumption that one of those in the primary will be nominated.

    You correctly state that the Repulican Party has not rejected Romney, and that is just one of the reasons the Republican Party is losing ground and the support of Conservatives. The Republican Party is more about the establishment, and has turned its back on the conservative principles they were supposed to uphold. It is so obvious when one watches the lack of action and excessive compitutulation of those such as McConnel & Boenher (along with numerous others). It is also obvious when you look at the candidates proped up the Republican Party despite what the people are screaming that they want. McCain, Dole, and so many others that were unwanted but proped up by the Repbulican Party against those that honestly were conservative and should have had the support of the party.

    Hence you will notice that I am PARTYLESS1, since there is no conservative party and thus no party to represent me and my views. I evaluate each candidate based upon their merits and principles, I could care less about their PARTY affiliations, so called RACE, RELIGION, GENDER, etc.; since by defalut if they align with the conservative pinciples, they will have the character and values required to provide good leadership that will benefit rather than destroy. If you notice that is lacking in Washington DC for all parties, and that is why we are in this mess to start with. The Founding Fathers would have never accepted the disgrace that today inhabits what their sacrifices provided for this nation. That includes all branches of the Government, as they have poven for decades that they do not honor their oath of office nor the Constitution of this great nation.

  • partyless1

    If the Catholic church had a formal decree against using death as a punishment, they would not have been able to put people to death that were considered heretics.

    Prior comments about people not realizing that it is more about a society that has lost sight of the concept of guilt as they want to avoid refletion on their own actions as being right or wrong. Thus the Catholic Church is more about assuring the punishment fits the crime, and tempering it with the desire to save individuals first; that leads to a very tempered approach to the usage of the death penalty, rather than being against the death penalty.