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Deja Vu All Over Again

“Couple Democratic attacks on religious organizations and accusations that the GOP is at war with Islam and I suspect we’re seeing a strategic opening for the GOP”

I have, for the longest time, been convinced that the Republican candidates have a very slim chance of beating Barack Obama without a struggling economy. And while I still think it is true, I think the Democrats have handed the GOP a gift that could be turned into victory if the GOP plays its cards well.

We are entering deja vu all over again.

On September 12, 2009, Janet Hook wrote in the Los Angeles Times that “[s]ome Republicans worry that the healthcare debate is reinforcing an unflattering image of them as the ‘Party of No.’” Bob Inglis (R-SC), who would go down to defeat in a primary at the hands of the tea party in 2010, gave voice to many Republican leaders at the time when he said, “People are upset, but they expect leaders to remain calm and find solutions. . . . If you don’t have a plan about how to lead, why would anyone give you the majority?”

By the end of the year it was taken as objective fact. Being the “Party of No” would kill the GOP in 2010.

On television objective analysts, Democratic partisans, reporters, and “Republican leaders on background” all spoke of pending disaster for a Republican Party that refused to work with Barack Obama and said “no” to everything.

On February 15, 2010, Chris Cillizza in the Washington Post wrote of Fred Malek, an aide to President Nixon and big Republican donor starting a group called “American Action.” In an interview with the Washington Post, Malek openly fretted, “We are a center-right-majority nation, but we are not getting through to the American public and we are becoming increasingly defined as a party of ‘no’.”

About this time, the full chorus of Republican operatives tied to the establishment, Democratic partisans, and objective analysts were all in a bubble predicting doom for the Party of No.

On July 15, 2010, giving voice to many inside the beltway, columnist Doyle McManus wrote in the Los Angeles Times, “Without that kind of clear, near-unanimous statement, Cantor and his allies argue, Republicans leave themselves vulnerable to being painted by Democrats as the “party of no” — and, worse, as the party that voters rejected in 2008.”

Democrats went so far as to turn out polls showing voters really, actually did approve of Obamacare and would punish Republicans for voting against it. Republican leaders chewed their fingernails on background in the Washington Post, which over the campaign season ran 82 stories about the dreaded “Party of No.” The New York Times ran even more.

We know how 2010 turned out. It turned out the voters wanted a party of no. The Democratic losses in November of 2010, down to the municipal level across the country, were the most devastating since the late 1800′s.

Fast forward to the present. Objective analysts, Democratic partisans, and “Republican leaders on background” are worried about the GOP defending religious organizations against the Health and Human Services mandate to provide contraception and abortifacient drugs for free for female employees. According to those in the know, 99% of women (a statistic from the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute treated as gospel by every right thinking person) use birth control and this is a “women’s health issue.” Those women are trending against the social conservative constraints of the GOP. This is going to be bad.

Oh, and there is even polling — just like with Obamacare. This is the Party of No all over again.

The Gang of 500 and Republican Leaders who openly pondered the disaster that awaited in 2010 because of the Party of No label are openly pondering the fate of the GOP now for siding with the all male bishops.

Except outside the beltway and away from the spin of women predisposed anyway to vote for Barack Obama, it is not as clear cut. Most employees at these institutions recognize they are there by choice. Many share the values of the organization. Other Christians, already convinced Barack Obama is at war with their faith, are speaking up for Catholics in venues and ways rarely seen in this country. A weird alliance of Orthodox Jews and Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Lutherans, and Southern Baptists have condemned the President’s regulation and rebuffed his “compromise” as semantics.

But the Beltway Crowd knows it is a women’s issue, not a religious liberty issue. They know it is harmful to the GOP. But it might soon become a jobs issue — a jobs issue that hurts the Democrats, though everyone in Washington will, I suspect, still see it as a women’s health issue.

This past weekend, Cardinal George of Chicago announced the Catholic Church would be shutting down its charities, adoption agencies, and hospitals rather than sell out or give in.

What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down. . . .

If you haven’t already purchased the Archdiocesan Directory for 2012, I would suggest you get one as a souvenir. On page L-3, there is a complete list of Catholic hospitals and health care institutions in Cook and Lake counties. Each entry represents much sacrifice on the part of medical personnel, administrators and religious sponsors. Each name signifies the love of Christ to people of all classes and races and religions. Two Lents from now, unless something changes, that page will be blank.

Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia likewise hints at the same in strong terms about good versus evil.

The American Jesuit scholar Father John Courtney Murray once said that “Anyone who really believes in God must set God, and the truth of God, above all other considerations.”

Here’s what that means. Catholic public officials who take God seriously cannot support laws that attack human dignity without lying to themselves, misleading others and abusing the faith of their fellow Catholics. God will demand an accounting. Catholic doctors who take God seriously cannot do procedures, prescribe drugs or support health policies that attack the sanctity of unborn children or the elderly; or that undermine the dignity of human sexuality and the family. God will demand an accounting. And Catholic citizens who take God seriously cannot claim to love their Church, and then ignore her counsel on vital public issues that shape our nation’s life. God will demand an accounting. As individuals, we can claim to believe whatever we want. We can posture, and rationalize our choices, and make alibis with each other all day long — but no excuse for our lack of honesty and zeal will work with the God who made us. God knows our hearts better than we do. If we don’t conform our hearts and actions to the faith we claim to believe, we’re only fooling ourselves. . . .

Catholics need to wake up from the illusion that the America we now live in – not the America of our nostalgia or imagination or best ideals, but the real America we live in here and now – is somehow friendly to our faith. What we’re watching emerge in this country is a new kind of paganism, an atheism with air-conditioning and digital TV. And it is neither tolerant nor morally neutral.

As the historian Gertrude Himmelfarb observed more than a decade ago, “What was once stigmatized as deviant behavior is now tolerated and even sanctioned; what was once regarded as abnormal has been normalized.” But even more importantly, she added, “As deviancy is normalized, so what was once normal becomes deviant. The kind of family that has been regarded for centuries as natural and moral – the ‘bourgeois’ family as it is invidiously called – is now seen as pathological” and exclusionary, concealing the worst forms of psychic and physical oppression.

My point is this: Evil talks about tolerance only when it’s weak. When it gains the upper hand, its vanity always requires the destruction of the good and the innocent, because the example of good and innocent lives is an ongoing witness against it. So it always has been. So it always will be. And America has no special immunity to becoming an enemy of its own founding beliefs about human freedom, human dignity, the limited power of the state, and the sovereignty of God.

At Democratic Representative Kathy Hochul’s town hall meeting in New York State, the Congresswoman informed her constituents that “we’re not looking to the Constitution” regarding the HHS regulation. She was confronted by angry male and female constituents livid over what they see as an attack on religious liberty in the country.

But reporters, analysts, most pundits, and even some Republican Leaders, trapped in the hyper educated bubble of D.C., are ignoring it all, just as they did what was really happening with the “Party of No.”

Now today, just as many Christians are locking in that Barack Obama is at war with their faith, Senator Dick Durbin is accusing the GOP of being at war with Islam. Couple Democratic attacks on religious organizations and accusations that the GOP is at war with Islam and I suspect we’re seeing a strategic opening for the GOP to win the White House back on, of all things, the culture issue.

But they’ll have to play their cards right and not shy away from attacking President Obama and the Democrats on these issues. I do really wonder if we might yet see a silent majority rear its head again in 2012 reaffirming the center-right nature of the United States.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    and I made a very similar point, woman for the most vote Democrat, but its the faith voters who understand how wrong Obama is on this issue, as well as others when it comes to religious institution. I suspect liberals really think the separation of church and state meant, no church, only state. A thought that is not widely shared by a religious electorate. Obama is really harming himself pander to the fringe of liberalism.

  • 6t9boss

    when you see how Obama and ‘Others” Coddle Muslims..allow prefferential treatement right down to the direction toilets must face in schools…then watch Obama attack Christian and Jewish values!? Tell me thats not a debate worth having…….

  • ennaneko

    - high gas prices
    - bad news everyday
    - dwindling opportunities
    - rising costs of higher education
    - healthcare mandate
    - low morale in country
    - average people being ignored in favor of those favored by the social “progressive” movement
    - high energy prices

    People don’t think the country is better, they think it’s getting worse. Values play into that.

  • 6t9boss

    The GOP and PUNDITs don’t think we can beat Obama! If you talk like a loser you will be a loser……

  • jhas64

    This article highlights a discussion a group of coworkers and i were having. Nobody in our geoul is educatex beyong high school. But all understand the constitution and the ramifications of re electing Obama.
    As a group we have all ceased donating to the RNC. It seems they have noone that thinks beyond DC media hype. I am personally proud and will shout it from the roof tops to be the party of no. When that party is saying no to socialism. I’m proud to be in the party of no when it means no more attacks on religious rights! I’m proud to be the party of no when it comes to defending constitutional principals. I’m proud to be the party of no when if yes means turning our back on izrael! Our uneducated little group came up with a half dozen ads that easily define Obama.
    I personally agree the RNC is making a disaster out of this election. And its heartbreaking. I served to defend this country. And its not the enemy outside our door that we should have feared. It is the enemy within. The domestic enemies that threaten our way of life and rights that many of us hold so dear.
    Wake up RNC! Embrace being the party of no! NO Obamacare! No higher taxes! No to illegal immigration! No to unbalanced budgets! No to raising the debt ceiling again!
    JHAS64

  • trutexan

    The trampling of our Freedom of Religion, if allowed to stand, is only just the beginning. From there, the sky’s the limit.

    The article on the front page of Drudge today really set me off this morning. After giving more than 20 of my best adult years to the service of my country as an active duty member of the military, Obamacare plans to raise my TriCare premiums up to 345% !!! The article gives the example that a retired colonel who only pays $460 a year now in premiums, would have their premium go up to over $2k a year. Knowing a colonel’s retirement pay, they can afford that. But what about the retired enlisted E-7 who only brings home $1200 a month? TriCare makes no distinction of your grade at retirement. And being able to afford it is NOT the issue. And for those who are thinking, “Well join the club – I pay $1,200 a month for healthcare insurance” …Apples and oranges.

    The issue is that for over 20 years, I went where I was told to go, lived where I was told to live (and some of those places were real armpits), wore what I was told to wear, kept my mouth shut on political and social issues, took every vaccine whether I consented or not, left my family behind for sometimes up to an entire year, and sacrificed more than anyone who has never served can ever imagine. I did this voluntarily and signed up again every 4 years, because of the agreement and PROMISE the military made with me that my healthcare would be free for life. LIFE! And in the past 10+ years, “mission creep” has been seen in the form of TriCare annual premiums, military healthcare facility disengagement, and co-pays. And now this. Dang it, I’m tired of it.

    The cost of healthcare for retired military personnel is a drop in the bucket of the federal budget. It is lumped in with the Defense budget (which is stupid) and is on the chopping block along with equipment and troop strength. Yes it’s a lot of money, but if billions weren’t wasted on useless failing and bankrupt “green” companies, among other wasteful issues, money could be re-allocated smartly to make good on the contractual promises made by the federal government to those who serve.

    I could go on and on, but I implore everyone – if you know a soul who has ever served, please please urge them to join an organization who can lobby for them on Capitol Hill: The VFW, American Legion, any service’s NCO or Officer’s Associations, etc. They don’t even have to attend meetings and can be a member at large. But the $35-50 a year for dues pays for itself over and over as their voice to our elected officials.

  • ennaneko

    Obama is weakest on the domestic front. On socio-economic issues he’s only focused on the gay activist agenda and preserving organized labor.

    His big solution to illegal immigration is keeping illegal immigrants in limbo by weakening the system that is supposed to enforce immigration laws.

    Societal decay… this is what his weakness is. It’s not just moral values, it’s everything. Obama has a narrow focus on domestic issues.

    A lot of people have a lot of reasons to be pessimistic, angry, and displeased when they see where the country is being taken by the left.

  • jiminga

    “Obama is weakest on the domestic front.” Can you point to a foreign policy success? The middle east is falling into the hands of Islamist extremists, Russia is becoming our enemy again, we treat Israel badly again and again, China only tolerates us, and Europe dismisses all our advice telling us to fix our own problems before advising them.

    Obama is a failed president by every measure, both domestic and foreign.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    It seems rather hypocritical to be adamantly opposed to government run healthcare and then complain when your artificially cheap government run healthcare gets (slightly) more expensive to help close a large budget deficit.

    Anyway, military retirees enjoy unmatched access to affordable healthcare in this country. At a time when everyone else’s–public and private–health plans are getting more and more expensive, Tricare continues to be comprehensive and cheap. I think that’s good.

    I think your numbers might be wonky. $2,000 a year = $166 a month. You realize that is absurdly cheap, right? Also, I’m not sure that Drudge article is even accurate (who is the Washington Beacon?) This is what the WaPo says about Gates’s proposal:

    “The new plan asks families to pay $520 a year, up from $460. Individual coverage would rise to $260, from $230. The higher fees, for the program’s popular HMO, are part of a Pentagon effort to slash personnel costs by $7 billion. They would set the stage for future increases tied to growth in health costs, which the Pentagon estimates at just more than 6 percent a year.”

    That sounds a lot more reasonable. And, come on, absurdly cheap!

    Remember, we are talking about retirees of working age who are turning down health benefits from their private sector jobs to keep tricare.
    Tricare will also save money by revamping prescription costs, but those costs will mostly be born by the drug companies. Copays for brand name drugs at Retail pharmacies will rise to $26, however they will continue to be cheap through mail order and free at base pharmacies. The point is to drive consumers to the lowest priced options. Really, that’s a law that screws Rite Aid, not retired military.

    Military veterans over 65 will continue to receive tricare free of charge as a supplement to medicare.

    I think that Drudge article needs fact checking.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/14/AR2011031404645.html

    http://www.sunherald.com/2012/02/25/3777559/tricare-chief-says-huge-savings.html

  • mriggio

    In what universe is ‘comprehensive and cheap’ the same as FREE? And please remember, this originally was a promised and hard-earned benefit, not a negotiation over premiums, which were not to exist in the first place.

    Walk in her boots for 20 years and see if your perspective changes.

  • bwilliamson

    I personally don’t care how much someone is “school” educated. Look at the current crop in government who are very educated by society’s standards. Education does not mean intelligence or testicular fortitude to do what is right no matter the cost.

    It looks to me like the RNC needs to stop listening to the “DC insiders” and start listening to the people outside the beltway who haven’t drunk the kool-aid and live out the policies the government enacts every day and see how it affects us.

    Jhas64…. thank you very much for your service. Honor to you.

  • hart65

    Of so frightful mien,
    As, to be hated, needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen to oft, familiar with her face,
    We first endure, then pity, then embrace

    Alexander Pope

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Tricare has never been free.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    …and to my knowledge never has been.

    It is free for 65+ as a supplement to medicare (I beileve). Maybe that is where the confusion comes in.

  • floridaveteran

    This was offered to all who served in the armed services for 20 years or more. The military service IS NOT the same as civilian life!

    Serve your country, go in harms way, lost parts of your body, lose the use of parts of your body; then come back and discuss the matter.

  • floridaveteran

    Tricare was the first step in removing our PROMISED free health care!

  • gmscan

    And it is a sight to behold to watch them try to deal with faith issues. They interviewed Franklin Graham the other day and they all looked at him like he was some alien life form. Today they couldn’t comprehend the difference between “freedom of religion” and “freedom of worship.” In their smug arrogance they will never realize how out of touch they are even after they get run over by the truck.

  • obamney2000

    Look, I’m a christian ( but not a catholic ), but I really don’t see the attack on religious freedom angle here

    Lets imagine a woman who works for a catholic hospital wants to use contraception. If obama’s rule goes through, the insurance that the church pays for will give her contraception. If obama’s rule doesn’t go through, she will pay for it herself using money that the church gives her as salary. Either way, church money is paying for contraception using a middleman.

    I think its really a stretch and kind of silly to talk about religious freedom here.

  • cymbaline

    Why is Obama seen as this all-powerful, unstoppable, unbeatable leviathan? Against whom we have no hope?
    Do people think everyone doesn’t know he’s the worst president of our lifetimes?
    Do we not remember what we did to his party in 2010?
    What has changed?
    The economy is just as bad as it was then. Unemployment is worse, despite the book-cooking by the administration and the media. ObamaCare is still unpopular. We’re further along the track to becoming a European-style welfare-state basket case. We’re closer to the edge of cliff of oblivion from the national debt.
    And we conservatives are sitting around aruging and sniping about which candidate isn’t conservative enough, or too religious, etc, etc, etc.
    I’d take ANY of these guys. Gladly, in a heartbeat, over the socialist horror we have now. I’d have taken any of the ones who’ve already dropped out.

    And you STILL think THIS GUY can’t be beaten? This weakling? I can’t believe it. He’s got nothing, no leg to stand on. The target is so big, you don’t even have to aim. Like Rush has been saying, he’s Landslide Beatable; all you have to do is not sit in the corner with your head between your knees.

  • zeprin

    We are a ‘Center Right Nation’. Including the fabled ‘Independents’. When we preach ‘Status Quo Anti’, go along – get along, don’t rock the boat…we LOSE!
    When we as Republicans and or our candidates take stands, have convictions and are proud of them in public, we and our candidates WIN. Middle of the road dies at the polls. The Indi’s don’t have to agree with our convictions. But they’ll always give us the benefit of the doubt if we do. And the more positive the conviction the stronger and more positive the response.
    Two questions cast a little light on this:
    1. Why can’t Romney close the deal?
    2. Why is the Paul campaign still alive?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    were signs of less struggle in November, that would bot excuse his policies that kept it struggling for 3+ years longer than it needed to be so. We can’t get back years lost in our lives to unnecessary suffering and Obama will not be exonerated by a BLS that drops millions from the so-called “labor force” to make a U-3 number look lower….imho

  • rogsterling63

    link? that’s one i hadn’t heard before

  • revivalrebel

    Man I have to agree here. THIS attack amongst others on faith is a gift that can’t be passed up on. Couple this with oil and gas prices, struggling economy and he’s NOT invincible. BUT the candidate HAS TO BE WILLING to FIGHT.

  • rogsterling63

    the R’s use this to stir people up.

    Meanwhile we’re still at war overseas, the economy is moving but slowly, and actual important issues are ignored so that the 2 parties can harass one another on the nonsense.

    Let gays marry, give the church an insurance waiver, and get on with actually leading on important issues…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/02/27/2534/

  • johnt

    How crude! Bad manners! What next? extremist rumblings from neanderthals about the once prized 1st amendment, blather about Privacy, once thought to be enshrined in a 1973 court decision? This eruption is what happens when the uninformed, the Fox News crowd, starts to think they’re human beings, and free to boot.
    At least to some extent.
    But I do remember way back in 2001/2008 when the same people who wish to put rings in our noses, complained about Bush etc, “forcing their wills on us”.
    My, how minds and morals change.

  • montani

    Where we are now:
    The Obama Administration has made its decision and has gone as far as it is willing.

    Republicans are talking about this as a religious liberty issue while trying not to say the word “contraception”. Democrats? first, last and middle word of every sentence is “contraception”. For now, advantage Democrats.

    However, the Catholic Church will not comply. Ever. That is a fact more firm than the sun will come up tomorrow.

    Going forward, the Bishops will make it clear what refusing to comply means. They are doing that now. As the chattering class gets tired of talking about contraception it will turn its attention to the practical effect of the decision. At that point they can’t help but talk around what the Church will do.

    Outside the chattering class, the rest of the conversation will happen. The press will try to ignore it but the implications of the HHS mandate will be talked about at every Church and Hospital. Catholics know the Bishops mean what they say and will talk about the implications. When families meet next, the polls will shift just like Rasmussen’s did over July 4th, 2009. Look for it again over Easter. You’re right Erik, the politicians will miss this shift in opinion as they pay more attention to the press than the voters.

  • Ausonius

    Yes, this is an affront to all military people: you are not on the same level as unionized bureaucrats, whose health is obviously more important than people’s in the military.

    Why have we not yet heard a unified Republican response expressing anger and outrage and a promise to roll back this latest slap in the face of the military?

  • edintexas

    Now if John Q. Public will stay awake long enough to get past the MSM’s in-the-tank “reporting” of how great everything is…

  • tngal

    its the first one I grabbed and the the key phrase is:

    “The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing the Kiblah – the direction of prayer – when they visit the lavatory.”

    This particular artcile dates back to 2008 and describes how British authorities were changing the direction of the toilets to accomodate Muslims. Basically, its – no facing toward Mecca when sitting on the john. No word on if your allowed to read while facing in the right direction. I can’t to the embed link thing so just copy and paste.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061051/Londons-Olympic-Park-toilets-turn-away-Mecca-respect-Islamic-law.html

  • Ausonius

    “Why is Obama seen as this all-powerful, unstoppable, unbeatable leviathan? Against whom we have no hope?
    Do people think everyone doesn?t know he?s the worst president of our lifetimes?
    Do we not remember what we did to his party in 2010?”

    Fear of being called racist is still preventing Republicans, especially RINOS, from directly attacking BIG BRObama for his socialist agenda. And the fear is real, because the race card has been used and will be used with impunity.

    When it is used, Republicans need to learn how to deflect it: “This criticism is not about race! It is about whether Americans can keep their own money, it is about whether Americans can keep their Freedom of Speech and Religion intact. We want every American, regardless of race or creed, to be as free as possible!”

    Such deflection is obvious, but you need to have some courage!

  • montani

    The Catholic Church WANTS its insurance companies to pay for child birth. Things that prevent childbirth are against God’s will, in its eyes. Saving money by contraception and abortion, in it view, is no different that China’s one child policy.

    By paying for contraception Catholics would save money but it would be done against God. It is a sin. The Church will not sin. Forget about it.

  • streiff

    forget about vital issues that determine the nature of the country we live in and get onto more important things like finding a cure for ugliness.

  • streiff

    So if a police officer uses his salary to buy crack, there is no difference between that and the police department buying it for him. They are just a middleman.

    If you can’t tell the difference between what an employer does with their money and what an employee does with his or her wages, this blog is probably a lot more complicated than you can handle.

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt

  • edintexas

    Thank you for your service. As I have perfectly good insurance, which does not (yet) require that I have Medicare Part B, I no longer have Tri-Care eligibility because I chose not to take Medicare Part B. Prior to age 65 I simply didn’t use Tri-Care, believing I should save the dollars for the troops who really needed it. Ditto for my VA medical eligibility.

    We probably should have seen this coming. The Democrats haven’t cared a fig for the troops for long after the early ’60s when I was a young troop and Henry “Scoop” Jackson was in the Senate and Mendel Rivers was Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

  • ronlsb

    I do disagree with Eric in that I think even a monkey can beat the ONE in November, regardless of the economy. One of the reasons is what Eric has described in his article–people instinctively know that the ONE is attacking the basic institutions of this nation, with zero regard for the Constitution. Congratulations, Eric!

  • papayapicker

    and when I enlisted one of the points that was made in the 1970′s was that if a person served for 20 years they would have free health care for life. No the VA says “Was that in your contract?” No, but a lot of people were promised the same thing. Like tru, I did my time and went where I was told. Two of those tours involved being either behind or in close proximity to the East German border. For those of you who don’t remember, there used to be a fence around Berlin and at the border between what were East and West Germany. I spent a total of eight years knowing that at any time, the Communist forces aligned against the U.S. and NATO forces could cross these borders at any time. Are we also going to charge the men and women injured in Iraq, Afghanistan and other hostile areas for their health care?

  • rogsterling63

    vital issue…economy…vital…defense…vital…infrastructure…vital

    gay marraige…not vital….abortion…not vital

  • Joshua Persons

    I fear being challenged on my values and priorities.

  • rogsterling63

    i usually close my eyes and look down when i’m pinching one out

  • Joshua Persons

    explanations…not vital…freedom…not vital…life…not vital

    snark…vital…smug sense of superiority…vital

  • scmom

    you said:”Anyway, military retirees enjoy unmatched access to affordable healthcare in this country. At a time when everyone else?s?public and private?health plans are getting more and more expensive, Tricare continues to be comprehensive and cheap. I think that?s good.”

    Unmatched access? We can no longer use most military facililties, as there is no room for us. There are fewer doctors every year who accept Tricare, because their payments are so much lower than other insurance companies.

    Comprehensive? It does not cover Chiropractic, Oral Surgery, and a host of other things. It is still Managed Care… so we have to go to our Primacy Care Manager before we can go to any other doctor,, and if we don’t get a referral BEFORE we go to the other doctor Tricare pays NOTHING!!!

    And why, pray tell, should we not avail ourselves of what we EARNED with our service?

  • Bill S

    You captured it perfectly.

  • scmom

    and Champus was free.

  • edintexas

    Tri-Care was the removal of free medical care from retirees and many active duty families. Prior to Tri-Care medical care was available at post medical facilities. Base closure and service downsizing resulted in the medical facilities disappearing, or reducing or eliminating access by retirees as the number of medical personnel were reduced to save money.

    As usual, the government’s promises are worth whatever the promise of a politician is worth – nothing. You probably aren’t old enough to even remember our being promised health care for us, and our families, for life. It was partial compensation for years of lousy pay (when was the last time you were paid $78.00 plus 3 hots and a cot per month (my Basic Training pay), or $184.50 as an E-4? How about $222.90, plus $65.00 hazardous duty allowance, plus $8.00 overseas service allowance as an E-4 over 3 years service – to get shot at in RVN in 1966?

    Your knowledge is limited by your youth and inexperience. But that is why you proclaim yourself a Liberal.

  • tngal

    (bad visual. that will stick w/me for rest of day) Must leave for work now. But-now we know more about the muslim world. Aren’t we educated to no end.

  • edintexas

    Or having one payday per month? You learn how to budget when you only get paid once per month.

  • mizzou1776

    If the GOP is so incompetant that it allows the other party to paint this economy as in recovery than it’s time for the Whigs to expire!!!

  • westcoastpatriette

    and they all looked like they were sucking on lemons while Graham talked. They freak out when they are unable to intimidate someone who stands by his convictions and speaks the truth in love. They so wanted to attack Graham and make him look like a hypocrite and they failed miserably. I actually thought one of the journalists was going to cry when Graham admitted that he wonders about whether Obama is really a Christian.

  • streiff

    this it the kind of Ron Paulian thinking that got us into this mess.

    There is nothing more important to preserving this nation than preserving the culture that makes our Constitution relevant.

    Hundreds of nations have survived economic catastrophe. Zero have survived cultural collapse. That alone should tell you where our priorities should lie.

  • scmom

    Are you serious?????

    I’m afraid if you can’t see the attack from your vantage point, perhaps you need to change your vantage point.

    The Church will not disobey God’s command as they believe it; showing the example of obedience, The Woman is free to do whatshe chooses at her own spiritual peril.

    This is very much like a smoker will make that choice at his/her own health risk. I’m betting that you think the government has the right to tell someone when, where and if they can smoke, too, and that’s not an infringement of their freedom.

  • edintexas

    NT

  • scmom

    We are falling into that same old habit of “nice guys” who don’t call a spade a dam shovel. Remember, this is how we got here in the first place, by not standing up for what is right and moral, and ethical even if we “offend” someone. If Jesus was not afraid to offend the moneychanges in the temple, we don’t need to be afraid of the talking heads who are listening to the left. They are defiling God’s house just the same.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    That’s not about Obama, is it? Tricare long predates Obama. Wasn’t its genesis during the Bush 1 era? The change from free healthcare to low cost managed care has nothing to do with Obama, and the rather modest increases in the Pentagon budget are a long sought provision by Bush appointee Gates, and seem tame in comparison to the increasing costs to privately insured individuals.

    I get that you’re upset about it. I think you have that right. I think it would be ideal if veterans–and all US citizens–did not have any anxiety about medical bills (something about which I’m sure we disagree). But perhaps in your frustration you might take a moment to realize that your situation is far better than most Americans, including most employed Americans. At a time when I hear a lot from the right about “sacrifice,” budgetary restraint, austerity, etc., it seems the modest premium increases asked for–while frustrating, no doubt–are not outrageous, when the average person sees whopping premium increases in their private plans every year.

    And I admit to ignorance about some of the history. Exactly when did the military stop promising “free healthcare”? At least 16 years ago, I would assume.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Prior to 1992? I only ask because it has been a great long while since the military promised free health care.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    “Do people think everyone doesn?t know he?s the worst president of our lifetimes?”

    His approval ratings…mediocre but not awful…suggest no, everyone does not think this.

    Latest Ras has him at 50%. Tough to beat an incumbent at 50%.

  • thosjefferson

    For all the talk about values, it turns out that Santorum found an ally in DailyKos. The whole “Democrats for Santorum” effort started at the DailyKos as “Operation Hilarity,” a liberal effort to get Santorum nominated, or at least make things tough for Romney. Now DailyKos is touting the way Santorum joined the cause: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/27/1068833/-Rick-Santorum-Joins-Operation-Hilarity

    Erick writes: “I do really wonder if we might yet see a silent majority rear its head again in 2012 reaffirming the center-right nature of the United States.” That’s a little difficult to imagine when the supposed “most conservative” candidate aligns with the most left-wing bloggers and even the Obama campaign.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    -NT

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-franklin-graham-refuses-to-say-obama-romney-are-christians-during-contentious-msnbc-interview/

    He did a masterful job of cheerfully making his points and deflecting their attempts to put words in his mouth. Truth won out. It always does.

    Thank you.

    CW

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    When they make excuses for healthcare plans that feature individual mandate.

  • johninohio

    that needs to be explored. He said, “Except outside the beltway and away from the spin of women predisposed anyway to vote for Barack Obama, it is not as clear cut. Most employees at these institutions recognize they are there by choice. Many share the values of the organization. Other Christians, already convinced Barack Obama is at war with their faith, are speaking up for Catholics in venues and ways rarely seen in this country. A weird alliance of Orthodox Jews and Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Lutherans, and Southern Baptists have condemned the President?s regulation and rebuffed his ?compromise? as semantics.”

    He assumes that employees of these institutions added to other Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc somehow represent a majority of voters who care about this issue. But there are bound to be a sizable number of individuals who are not religious, or are liberal in their religious beliefs who, though not directly impacted by Obama’s regulations, will side with those regulations simply because they pity those poor women who will be forced to pay for their own fun pills.

    I would like to see an unbiased survey taken across the full spectrum of likely voters to see how important this issue is relative to the upcoming elections.

  • actuarius

    friendlyneighborhoodliberal, retirement benefits (pension and welfare) for the military really are deferred compensation. Take a look at the pay scale, bonus structure, and welfare benefits of the active duty military. The pay is much, much less than in civilian life. The objective is to offer a carrot to get the typical recruit to last twenty years. If he does, the deferred compensation/pension is quite good (after twenty years the pension is 50% of final salary). The structure says that the military services want its recruits for twenty years, then they want them out (who wants to work full time when you could get half by doing nothing). You can’t judge accurately how good the retirement benefits are without looking at the whole picture.

    Tricare is an attempt to balance promises and reality. The promises assumed that dependents and retired personnel would have access to military healthcare facilities and people. For a variety of reasons, that cannot happen (not enough military health care personnel in enough areas, etc.). Tricare is an attempt to be true to the promise using a different model (provide insurance for civilian care instead military hospitals).

    Think of the pension and welfare benefits as the rest of the pay that long-serving military personnel are finally getting. Maybe it is ridiculously cheap, but that is not the entire story.

  • cbartlett

    Why are the Catholics (and lots of others) just now seeing this? Why didn’t they scream about this back when the idiots in Congress were shoving this down our throats? How can anyone believe that having the HHS Secretary (ONE, UNELECTED PERSON) making life & death decisions ever be a good decision? Trust the government? Who are we kidding? There is no individual responsibility for anything anymore.

    Liberals do a bang-up job of organizing. They don’t actually have to have a majority to accomplish their goals – they just sound a lot louder because they are all yelling the same thing. The rest of us are spending our time working hard and raising families and we are not organizing and yelling loud enough in one voice. The lack of “Tea Party” influence on current election process is a good example. Do we really have to crash and hit bottom before we wake up?

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    Back then I encouraged (to a deaf ear) the Republican Party to proudly wear the mantle of “no”. There is so much Democrats have dictated on us to declare “no” to. But to say “no” without reason is dangerous. No one likes to have something taken from them (duh) especially when it is labeled as arbitrary and wanton. Republicans’ “no”s are not arbitrary and wanton, all of them are purposeful and should be states as such.

    Don’t be afraid to speak out Romney.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Franklin Graham is a hero.

  • actuarius

    which is a unified site to facilitate recruiting for all of the military services.

    http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step02_benefits,,00.html

    About healthcare, it says in part, “You and your family will have medical insurance (TRICARE) for as long as you remain in military service. If you remain in the Military through retirement, your medical benefits will extend throughout your lifetime and that of your spouse.” It does not say that a premium is payable (which it does for life insurance later).

  • thosjefferson

    wants a single-payer system, as did the liberals in Mass. Maybe you’d prefer that?

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    and eventually we will both get to find out.

  • gwbramhall

    Quite an interesting post. I agree that over time we have seen a
    gradual loss of the basic moral values of this country. The degradation
    of the family unit is only one example of the moral relativism that is killing
    our ability to distinguish right from wrong, good from evil. It is an
    interesting point that by accepting the behaviors once though of
    as deviant, wet have opened the door to attack what was once
    considered normal. You may have hit on something here that the
    institutions that once carried our country’s moral compass will band
    together in one big backlash that will surprise the hell out of our
    progressive masters and the main street media this November and
    that the oft ridiculed social issues will turn the election.

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    GW BRAMHALL: all you and others write is true, but until a non-Democrat leader stands up and fearlessly challenges the Left’s assertions, dictates and mandates, who the hell cares what is written. But, no, the probable Republican, Romney, is carefully listening to his advisors and saying nothing clear and challenging to the status quo: Democrat Party grip on messaging in this country. Say unions are bad, say trial lawyers pervert the court system for their own selfhish gain. Say men should have a say in the murder of a fetus, since likely one helped create it. Say business is not only good but the only way for standards of living to increase. Shout out the actual abuses of the Democrats. If they say, “Bush did it” yell: ” two wrongs don’t make a right.”

    Mitt, Goddamnit, be a strong man.

  • MrAleGuy

    friendlyneighborhoodliberal:

    In this light, it would be interesting to hear your views on the Union backlash in various states when asked to pay “modest premium increases” to help closing budget shortages.

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    Politicians — both Democratic, Republican and independent — pass expensive mandates on to health insurance. Mandates such as massage, chiropractic, sex changes, abortion. From where do they come? Campaign donations and the selfish need of politicans to get reelected. Lobbyists say a voting bloc wants some mandate in unsaid exchange for votes or money. Voila. It is law and health insurance prices increase. That is the cause of a high percentage of healthcare costs. Yes, led my the Democrats for whom anything justifies the end of getting reelected. Republicans still a little bit believe in free markets free of the government saying “Heel, mine subjects!” And I do’t mean heal as in get healthier.

  • joenpam2

    In the early 80′s I went to enlist in the marines, all I wanted was a promise to get truck driving training to wich they said no problem, that is until I went for my physical and they retracted that simlpe promise, and responded that if they are retracting that teh I was retracting my services. They then responded that they hope I have a nice walk home (mid winter in Iowa) 3Hrs drive time away. My rtesponse was fine scew you, I was sworn in, but stayed home when it was time to for boot camp, I was called before a coronel and told I couldn’t walk away because I was sworn in,and I responded you broke your promise and I’m breaking mine. 2yrs later I received an honorable discharge in the mail. That was my1st taste of our democracy in real life.

  • joenpam2

    Before you start talking about how vets, I would suggest you visit some of our Vet hospitals, to see the quality of care they receive the media only shows the better run facilities and ingore the poor ones.

  • jamesm

    This debate is the winning issue in November. Faith and foreign policy will come together because of the situation in Iran, Syria, Egypt and the entire middle east. This election will quickly turn to foreign policy.When it does the best candidates will be Santorum and Gingrich. Santorum having been a U.S. Senator and Gingrich was the Speaker of the House. Romney will quickly be marginalized. You can bet on it.

  • jamesm

    but then they will rely on their last defense which may go something like this, “Bush is an idiot”
    Conservatives can win the argument and this election if they provide real conservative arguments and policies. It is only when principles are compromised that convervatives may agree with a liberal that a policy turned idiotic. Real solutions for a real world. No warmed over mush.

  • Kyle-MI

    We can barely muster enough support for our involvement in Afghanistan even though the former regime there protected the planners of 9/11. Except for hard core conservatives, no one wants to get involved in another middle east country. About the only thing that would change it would be Iran actually using a nuclear bomb.

  • actuarius

    the party of government telling people what to do. They don’t seem to mind all the pushing and shoving when it is not aimed at them. Shoot, they even support it. When it is aimed at them, well, that’s a different kettle of fish. Not.

    Welcome to the real world, Catholic Church, where schools, doctors, farmers, etc. face the raw abusive power of the federal government every day while you watch and support it. How does that Martin Niem?ller quote go? “First they came after the communists, and I didn’t speak, because I’m not a communist…”

    So, I support them. But I’d be a lot happier about it if I thought that they now understand the importance of a limited federal government generally; not just when it affects them directly.

  • fightnright

    Romney has not ‘apologized’ for the experiment of Romneycare (a reduction from the single-payer plan desired) because defining his dealing with the leftist MA legislature as resulting in his failure or a flipflop would be a fatal mistake condemning any chance of his campaign succeeding.

    Most political nominees, including very conservative candidates, when covering past policy issues making voters wary, will not define them as gross missteps. Would Gingrich supporters prefer to hear our most outspoken conservative candidate say ‘Yes, I chose to participate in extending Freddie-Fannie through my work/lobbying, and it was a terrible betrayal of my principles – I can’t imagine why I led us further down such a dangerous path’? Instead Newt explains that he tried to steer Freddie/Fanny with the best advice and counsel that he could… exactly as Mitt frames the Romneycare debacle. When Santy did apologize outright for some of his own policy errors and big government votes in the last debate, many pundits and conservatives bemoaned such free admissions as damning to his chances, and tracked his immediate decline in the polls subsequently to Santorum’s ‘error’ of naivete.

    Romney is ambitious for a successful presidency, and does not give the impression of being a thoughtless ideologue. If elected, it’s hard for me to conclude that he would jeopardize his chances for a two-term legacy by immediately breaking a foundational campaign promise and vetoing anti-Obamacare legislation sent to him.

  • Vegas_Rick

    I pay a premium for what is known as Tricare Prime. I pay for additional coverages and lower co-pays. In response to your comment below, I realize that my situation is better than the average Joe’s. It should be, I served 20years in the Army so I would have a better situation.

    An option available to all.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Twenty years, eh? I don’t know during what era you served, but I can tell you that the “This Man’s Army” I served in is no longer. My first day of active duty was one month and two days after my 18th birthday and Ike was in his last year as president. Two years, eleven months, nineteen days and about 10? hours later, I “Mustered Out” (as the Brits put it) and Kennedy was in second year of his presidency. (And you had to be 21 to be eligible to vote.) At the time, if any “First Dick” worth his salt felt compelled to say to one or more of the troops under his control: “And that’s not a threat, it’s a promise”, he was free to do so. Today, the offended enlisted (limp) member of the service would have that First Sergeant brought up on charges for intimidation, harassment, offensive language and hurting their little feelings. The rosy promise of “Free” lifetime care was not enough for me to follow the Siren’s Song and “Re-Up”. However, there is one thing that happened on that long ago day in June of 1959 that has never changed, and never will. I swore an oath to “Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both Foreign and Domestic”. That oath that we all took has no expiration date, whether or not the current so-called “Leaders” honor the promises made by our elected office holders in the past. As I always say: “That was a slap on the ass, not a guarantee the doctors gave us when we were born”. Thank you for your service. Time to move on.

  • Common_Cents

    There are so many blatant areas to attack Obama and yet, no coordinated plan by R’s to point these out. We need targeted coordinated repetitive messaging.

    Instead the spineless R’s are too intimidated by the left and media smears.

  • jamesm

    Democratic socialistic policies are in the long term a death to the church. Look what socialism in Europe has done. Replacing God with government is anti christian.

  • BA Cyclone

    Very well said, thanks. Quotable!

    There is nothing more important to preserving this nation than preserving the culture that makes our Constitution relevant.

    Hundreds of nations have survived economic catastrophe. Zero have survived cultural collapse. That alone should tell you where our priorities should lie.

  • Ausonius

    It is just too obvious: yes, they are intimidated, mainly because of the race card, as I wrote elsewhere today.

    And why would the BIG BRObama slap the troops in the face like this in an election year?

    Hubris, overweening confidence that he can do it and not suffer any consequences in November.

  • BA Cyclone

    streiff you are in RARE FORM today.

    Please keep it up. :D

  • jacobite

    There are several ‘people’ fighting to get hold of the steering wheel of the car. Reagan was a nice guy, but he never seemed to ‘get’ that Leftists in America were the same enemy as the USSR’s evil empire. In fact, they were/are allies.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Were you in the 7th Army? USAREUR Units & Kasernes, 1945 – 1989 (http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/units/Army%20Aviation/USAREUR_8thTransBn.htm) I was Bn. PIO Photog. for the 8th Trans Bn. – Lt. Helicopters during ’61 through 06/’62 and was there when the wall went up. We’d already had our monthly alert (remember those?) and then we had another one, only this time we were given live ammunition (all you combat vets hush up with your ROLF’s, etc. That’s just how it was during “Peacetime” in The Atomic Army) and we loaded up the H-34s with troops and their ammunition and flew to within 100 yards of the Czechoslovakian border, as ready as we could be for whatever happened next. At the time, we still had DP (displaced persons) camps all over West Germany (including one right outside our main gate at Oberschleissheim Hubschrauberflugplatz) and most were filled with escapees from Soviet controlled East Germany.

  • kipling

    Nor should they comply with the new regulations and thus compromise their faith.

    Nor should they pay the fines that come with non-compliance.

    The Catholic Church and its bishops should stand firm and defy the law and the subsequent fines.

    The Catholic Church and its Protestant cousins operate according – or at least it should – to the will of God. The Church does charity because Christ commands it. The Church opposes the murder of innocent children because it violates God’s law. The state has no authority to contradict the commands of God. See also Acts 4 and Daniel 6.

    The Church should make its intent to defy the law plain, accept responsibility for their actions, and then set a date to turn themselves into the justice department for imprisonment. Call a press conference on that date and let the American people see the Catholic Council of Bishops present themselves for arrest rather than submit. Let the American people see Protestant leaders stand in solidarity and submit themselves for imprisonment.

    I sit on a board of a related agency affected by the new regulations. I would rather go to jail than submit. I will stand with the Catholics and the Protestants – just give me a time and place.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Were you in the 7th Army? USAREUR Units & Kasernes, 1945 ? 1989 (http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/units/Army%20Aviation/USAREUR_8thTransBn.htm) I was Bn. PIO Photog. for the 8th Trans Bn. ? Lt. Helicopters during ?61 through 06/?62 and was there when the wall went up. We?d already had our monthly alert (remember those?) and then we had another one, only this time we were given live ammunition (all you combat vets hush up with your ROLF?s, etc. That?s just how it was during ?Peacetime? in The Atomic Army) and we loaded up the H-34s with troops and their ammunition and flew to within 100 yards of the Czechoslovakian border, as ready as we could be for whatever happened next. At the time, we still had DP (displaced persons) camps all over West Germany (including one right outside our main gate at Oberschleissheim Hubschrauberflugplatz) and most were filled with escapees from Soviet controlled East Germany.

  • libertus

    We need to stand together on this and support the charities that stand firm.

  • Ausonius

    I just saw the reports where certain bishops and cardinals think this is some sort of winning threat or tactic.

    How does that bring Freedom of Religion back to 100%?

    Many thanks to “Kipling” for his refusal to compromise, but recall that too many Catholics would shrug and think this is acceptable.

    See my diary from yesterday for further remarks on them:

    http://www.redstate.com/ausonius/2012/02/27/to-lukewarm-catholics-the-54-who-voted-for-maobama-and-their-bishops-wandering-in-the-economic-desert-of-abortion-for-40-years/

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Oh “Friendly … ” One, June of 1959 through June of 1962. When did you serve?

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    “I love it when a plan comes together”. As you said: “In this light, it would be interesting to hear your views on the Union backlash in various states when asked to pay ‘modest premium increases’ to help closing budget shortages”.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Oh ?Friendly ? ? One, I voluntarily served from June of 1959 through June of 1962. When did you serve?

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Honestly, I don’t think cuts to any public sector salaries or benefits are a good thing, especially now (I’m a Keynesian, of course). But right now the Pentagon and, yes, this administration, is under a great deal of pressure to exercise budgetary restraint. That call for restraint is mostly coming from the right, and from sites like this (liberals tend to favor more stimulus). Generally, the call is for cuts to entitlement programs. Tricare is a public entitlement. You may think it is deserved. I won’t argue with you. But, again, we are talking about working age retirees, not 65+. Their tricare is still apparently preferable to private insurance and definitely preferable to low-income programs like medicaid.

    The end of free healthcare for veterans went away long before Obama.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Look at the concessions UAW made.

    Public sector unions embroiled in conflict with Walker also agreed to cuts in salary/benefits. What they were not willing to give up were their collective bargaining rights.

    Public sector unions have shown willingness to compromise.

    That being said, I’d prefer not to see cuts in military benefits or union benefits at the moment.

  • acat

    That’s noticeably different.

    Know what else is noticeably different? The UAW and the Wisconsin teachers unions don’t give up any of their individual rights nor risk their lives. Your attempt to equate the two would be laughable, were it not offensive.

    Mew

  • actuarius

    NT

  • actuarius

    not an entitlement.

    Argue that the benefit is undeserved if you wish (as I often do with pension and welfare benefits to many public sector employees), but lumping this benefit with welfare and Medicare is incorrect on the facts.

    As I indicated in another post with a link, the military is still recruiting by saying that health care is provided.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    And in fairness it doesn’t say “free.”

    And I do agree that Tricare is a very deserved benefit.

    The question of whether military healthcare should be free, or provided at some kind of cost is a separate issue. I would support the former. But as long as it is the latter, I think it’s ok for its rates to be modified to reflect economic and budgetary realities, like any private insurance plan.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

  • Vegas_Rick

    I was one until after 1995 and we were still offering free healthcare then. Perhaps you should shut up about that which you know nothing about.

  • Vegas_Rick

    That last sentence was pathetic, no? So in plain English. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • acat

    (waiting)

  • actuarius

    the entire benefit section indicates those benefits that have premiums that the service member needs to pay (see life insurance for example).

    It is not too much of a stretch to think that it was a benefit provided at no additional cost.

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    I am laughing out loud what you said: “Your knowledge is limited by your youth and inexperience. But that is why you proclaim yourself a Liberal.” How “Reaganesque” of you, indeed. My pay in 1959 during Basic Training as an E-1 recruit was even less than yours, I believe, and as an E-3 over two, it was somewhere around $129.00 per month. Of course, a pack of Pall Malls were .17? a pack, et cetera (do they even sell cigarettes at the PX anymore?), but, then again, everything was cheaper in those days. (Except women, of course. They always seem to be worth more per pound than Kobi Beef.)

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Dear “Mom”,
    Your final paragraph hits the nail on the head: “This is very much like a smoker will make that choice at his/her own health risk. I?m betting that you think the government has the right to tell someone when, where and if they can smoke, too, and that?s not an infringement of their freedom”. The stereotypical “Woman” employee used as an example has a disease: ADP, or Addictive PersonalityDisorder. Just as the smoker is addicted to their cigarettes, the “Woman” must be addicted to sex and needs Big Brothers protection. After all, one is never allowed to harm themselves in the land of the warm and fuzzy (thinking) and unprotected sex would lead to the disease of pregnancy which, of course, can only be “cured” by an abortion. So, are Catholic Hospitals mandated by O’Care to provide those to?

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    read ” … to provide those too?” Sorry.

  • funwithknives

    become “Their Reality”, it is a whole new ball game.
    The Progressive Dog is giving them fleas and it just feels so right.

    What’d they think was gonna happen? {Or did’ Think’, enter into it?}

    As with so many things Human, you “take your pleasure where you find it….” and this applies to Allies as well.
    So, who’s next?