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After the Fact, Romney’s Supporters in Michigan Seemingly Rewrite the Delegate Rules

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  March 1st, 2012 at 06:08 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

According to the Michigan Republican Party rules, each candidate who wins a congressional district will win a delegate per district. Romney and Santorum split the districts, so they each got 14 delegates. There are two statewide delegates.

The statewide delegates are divided based on a mathematic calculation for each candidate who gets over 15% of the vote. In Michigan, as Right Michigan explains, Romney and Santorum each got one.

So while Romney got just shy of 2% more of the vote than Santorum in Michigan, he and Santorum split the statewide delegates and wound up tied 15 to 15 in Michigan.

But the Romney camp cannot have that. This is Romney’s home state. Romney has to win.

So last night, the Michigan GOP’s Credentials Committee voted to take a delegate away from Santorum and give it Mitt Romney.

They claim this had all been decided back on February 4, 2012, but it is clear from the memo documenting that meeting that no one else read the delegate count that way.

My friend Saul Anuzis who is a Romney supporter and who participated in the vote says it was all a misunderstanding, but the memo Saul links to is dated today, not from February 4, 2012.

This looks like Romney supporters changing a tie to a win. I suggest the Michigan GOP issue the original memorandum because this looks more like Romney supporters trying to steal a delegate than standard compliance. Back on February 14th, it appears some interpreted what would happen to be winner take all for the statewide delegates.

We should expect, however, the Santorum and possibly the Gingrich camps to seize on this. So the Michigan GOP needs to act quick to get this story to go away.

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  • traversecityconservative

    How much do you wanna bet that the RNC will give Romney ALL of the delegates he earned in Michigan, and not half, if he really needs them. We all know this will happen.

  • John6078

    Michigan was probably tired of Santorum saying that he won, so they stuck it to him.

  • znjs

    Is Santorum’s campaign doing anything to contest this change?

  • acat

    Kick other candidates off the ballot in VA. Check!
    Disenfranchise voters in Michigan. Check!

    What’s next for this guy?

    Mew

  • texastaxpayer

    It’s stunts like these that really make me dislike Romney, his campaign and his supporters. Moved up primary dates, shifting ballot access rules and of course three card monte with delegate allocation. Leaves me and others I have spoken with a bad taste in our mouths. This process has all the credibility of a Cuban presidential election. My personal opinion is that these kind of “misunderstandings” hurt Romney’s image and the legitimacy of his campaign.

  • Crash71234

    Romney beat Santorum by 32,000 votes.

    Santorum got 16,000 friends of Michael Moore votes and 16,000 Daily Kos votes.

    Final tally is Romney +64,000. The people have spoken.

    So he gets two more delegates. Big whoop.

    Stop whining, Ricky.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    There’s something fundamentally wrong with someone who is visibly aligned with and actively campaigning for a candidate writing rules that benefit his candidate. Once again, a state Republican party is looking like they just got out of the clown car.

    The thing I hate most about this is that ALL the media outlets (Fox included) declared Romney the absolute winner early in the evening. It was clear to anyone who was able to read a map that Santorum was probably going to take a significant number of CD’s. Surely, the brainiacs at Fox News could have also figured out it wasn’t a clear-cut “win” for Romney. But they all went with that narrative all night and most of the next day, giving Romney the illusion of having an epic victory over Santorum in both MI and AZ on Tuesday, with the requisite talk of it being over for Santorum.

  • http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/ Jason Gillman

    Pray you never have rules changed on you after the fact.

    Or for that matter if anyone ever cheats to put something over on you.

    BTW The Demoncrat vote canard is easily dismissible when looking at the places where Romney carried the day. (Heavy Dem districts) And anyhow, The very people who surround our gobvernor didn’t complain in 2010 when he specifically sought out “independents and Democrats” for his campaign effort.

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    state run socialized medical program that borrows money from the federal government and uses taxes to pay for abortions. Oh wait!

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    Bingo!!

  • clintonformccain

    Romney Derangement Syndrome.

  • Crash71234

    This was a primary not an election for your “gobvernor”.

  • feather

    In the long run, that one delegate is likely to cost the Romney campaign a lot. You know Santorum and Gingrich are going to complain loud and long about it. What good is it to Romney to be seen as a bully, cheating his fellow-Republicans and who know who else?

    Creating enemies for one little delegate? Not worth it.

    I realize that the Michigan Republican establishment probably made this mess but it is Romney that is going to pay for it. Therefore, it would be to his benefit to step up and fix it.

  • bullhead

    As a voter in MI I believe the commettee should all be replaced immediately. Knowing Saul is on the committee He is after all the man that wants to get rid of the electorial College for heavens sack. He is no friend to the Republicans of MI

  • hisgirlfriday

    If this was just the first hiccup in the administration of a primary/caucus that would be one thing… if this was just the first controversy over the results to come up that would be one thing… but this pattern is now, if not troubling, at least quite bizarre and embarrassing.

    I mean the Iowa deal was a mess with a victory declaration for Romney that turned out not to be right. We had the Maine declaration for Romney when they couldn’t even count all the votes and some of the votes got lost because the e-mails went to spam. Now we have the people voting and the party deciding after the vote they’re going to arrange the votes such that they give Romney one more delegate and take one away from Santorum?

    I don’t want to think this is a Romney conspiracy, but if it’s not… then how do you explain it other than incompetent leadership.
    Did Steele screw up things for the RNC that badly with the new delegate allocation scheme and not properly training people how to deal with it and a prolonged primary? Or is Reince going to have to answer for some of this?

  • texastaxpayer

    Sick of Bullsh!t Syndrome………

  • jon11

    As far as the delagates in michigan…who cares?

    I’ve got news for the media.

    AZ was the one that mattered. That was winner take all. Romney should go ahead and give Rick the two delagates. Rick needs them a lot more than Mitt does.

    I was impressed by the fact that mitt won despite the fact that liberals (not reagan democrats) voted for Rick despite the fact that it ‘makes me want to go take a shower’ as one reported after the act.

    that accounted for 5% of his total.

    But yeah by all means give rick the 2 delagates.

    Hes done anyway

  • Common_Cents

    Nobody has explained how making FL issue delegates proportionally since they went early is somehow penalizing Florida? It is penalizing Gingrich by the State not following the rules.

    Florida was punished by losing half its delegates but someone explain to me how Florida is being punished doubly or at all by changing Winner take all to proportional, according to the freakin rules?

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    again!!

    Save the crocodile tears Erickson. Your conservative poser tried to cheat the system by recruiting the opposition in bad faith, got his backside handed to him (lost by 11% republican votes) and now the committee is enforcing a rule they came up with in Feb 4th.

    If your phony baloney theocon had won, rest assured he’d be whining about not getting the two at large delegates. Crud, he whines about everything else.

    Maybe he’ll do better in Virginia. Oh, wait.

    Like they say, “It pays to be a winner.”

  • texastaxpayer

    Wasn’t it in fact Willard who used his “Blue State” electoral success as proof positive that he was the “most electable”? Seems an interesting line of attack for a Romney supporter to use considering your beloved leaders propaganda does it? Hypocrisy??

    Isn’t it also true that Michigan’s heavily democratic districts went largely for Romney? Doesn’t quite support your accusations now does it?

    We have a name for people who knowingly make false accusations in an attempt to discredit a rival. What was it again? Liar? Scumbag? No that’s not it….Oh yeah, MITT ROMNEY…..

  • jon11

    romney likened it to Luciell Ball in the Chocolate Factory.

    I actually like newt…a lot more than santorum…but romney’s comparison is a little more apt.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    I don’t know if there is anything they can do.

  • carolina

    brown-nosers. SO typical. Too many folks just can’t resist getting closer to the POWER. (which obviously corrupts)

  • carolina

    brown-nosers. SO typical. Too many folks just can’t resist getting closer to the POWER. (which obviously corrupts)

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    a primary and a general?

  • texastaxpayer

    Yeah defrauded tax dollars in Willard’s case. Tens of millions of them…..1% perks I guess…

  • http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/ Jason Gillman

    Was made in the primary. The GOP primary.

    Top spot in the state, and it still matters.

    And pardon my typos.

  • http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/ Jason Gillman

    The NPV nonsense frankly, is enough to dump him.

    We will be calling for his replacement.

  • http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/ Jason Gillman

    Which makes the action by MiGOP credentials folk that much more ridiculous.

    Another commenter noted the loss Romney will bear with this recent attempt to cheat the rank and file. All for ONE lousy DeleGATE.

    BTW audio of Schostak is now on a comment:
    http://www.rightmichigan.com/comments/2012/3/1/163521/7207/3#3

  • hisgirlfriday

    Both Santorum and Romney were operating from the same rules when it came to possible crossover votes

    Both campaigns and the voters of Michigan knew the rules ahead of time and that party crossover voting was allowed.

    This delegate allocation stunt is the state GOP changing the rules from what the campaigns and the voters understood them to be on election day after the votes have been cast to help out one campaign over the other one.

  • snowshooze

    And are willing to risk every remaining drop of credibility to get it at this point..
    Then let them. By super Tuesday, the word will be out.
    And we shall pass Judgement.

  • texastaxpayer

    Semantics?? He ment a general election where both democrats and republicans can vote versus an open primary where both democrats and republicans can vote? Pretty sad even for a Rombot.

    Don’t you ever get tired of these little word games you have to play constantly? I guess when your candidate has a failed governing record, business practices that would make John Goti blush and all the credibility of a hooker teaching a monogamy course you don’t have much to work with eh? Good luck with it, your gonna need it.

    BTW.. Putting this here for all the Romney supporters just so you have the definition, ya’ll seem a little confused.

    hy?poc?ri?sy [hi-pok-ruh-see] Show IPA noun, plural -sies.
    a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
    a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude. an act or instance of hypocrisy.

    Hope it helps….

  • redcal

    Two days after the primary, no one really cares about whether the delegates were a tie or a victory going into Super Tuesday. But now, Romney looks both petty and unethical. The Gingrich/Santorum Super PACs can call him an ‘election-stealer’ for the rest of the spring/summer, and the media narrative will last for a while as well.

    I can’t give money to this guy. I don’t know how the F*** I’m going to vote for him. Sigh. Is 2016 here yet?

  • trutexan

    nt

  • redcal

    …than it helps him here. In the time of Occupy Wall Street, it plays into the ‘corrupt plutocrat’ image like a hand in a glove.

  • jamesm

    .

  • jamesm

    Squish.

  • AceInTX

    .

  • AceInTX

    Tales of Woe
    The myth of a powerful Republican establishment.

    So all these silly games you see with VA changing the rules in the middle of the games and robbing it’s citizenry of a choice, the Michigan Republican Party machinery rigging the rules to favor Romney, all those endorsements by party regulars who spend their time as regulars in all those precinct offices blocking good committed conservatives from serving on local committees,…all the rigged conventions and platform procedures that prevent conservatives from drawing a distinction between themselves and the democrats….all the games scheduling big blue states at the front of the primary schedule so the moderate can gain a monumental lead before Texas and the deep red south can vote….

    those are all figment’s of your imagination…

    Silly old bear!

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Why no headline about the vote fix in MI? Rhetorical question, I know. It’s more important to report that Santorum’s cell phone died in an interview with a hostile Ohio radio host.

    Speaking of hostile, if I keep getting 4 nasty anti-Santorum calls a day from Romney’s people, what I do to my phone may involve ammo.

  • AceInTX

    or generate headlines by reporting Mitt the winner when he had lost…yet we’re not supposed to believe our lying eyes?

    this is why I despise the republican Leadership…it’s not bad enough that they hate our guts….and hold us in utter contempt…but the fact that they would so brazenly play us for fools as if they really believe we’re to stupid to see what they’re doing is truly infuriating.

    You can be happy and gloat because your boy won…but at what cost?

  • http://thatssaulfolks.com saul_anuzis

    http://www.thatssaulfolks.com/2012/03/01/saul-anuziss-statement-on-michigans-delegate-allocation/

    Statement by Saul Anuzis
    Republican National Committeeman from Michigan
    Member of the Michigan Republican Credentials Committee

    At the February 4th State Committee meeting held in Lansing, the Credentials Committee unanimously passed the procedures for allocating Michigan?s delegates to the National Convention in the event that the RNC imposes the 50% penalty on our delegation.

    We agreed that if only 30 delegates would be designated as voting delegates, the Michigan Republicans would send 2 from each congressional committee and 2 at large. We agreed that the two at large delegates would be taken from the top of the slated delegations as submitted by the candidate who received the most votes statewide.

    Last night the Credentials Committee met via teleconference and voted to apply the rules as passed unanimously on February 4th which results in the 2 at large delegates be awarded to the statewide winner, Mitt Romney.

    There were no changes in rules or procedures, the Credential Committee only ratified the existing rules as previously passed after some made erroneous claims to the media that the at-large delegates would be split.

    There is no disagreement amongst the members that this was the intent of the Credential Committee and there is email traffic between the committee members and counsel discussing the same.

    Regrettably, there was an error in the memo drafted and sent to the respective campaigns. There were questions raised at the time the memo was drafted as to whether the legal language used was accomplishing the goal of the committee and we were advised that it was, but now it is clear that the memo did not properly communicate the intent of the committee. The email traffic surrounding the drafting of the memo in early February makes explicitly clear what the intent of the committee was.

    The committee convened again last night to affirm that the intent was clear and that the memo was inaccurate. That affirmation came in a 4-2 vote. While we all regret the error in the memo, it does not change what was voted on by the committee, which was to award the two at-large delegates to the statewide winner. It was premature for any candidate to be declaring the delegate count prior to an official announcement by the Michigan Republican Party

    This is much to do about nothing. The rules were set in place, in advance, by a unanimous vote. A press conference should not force Michigan Republicans to change the rules.

    NOTE: See Michigan Republicans Memo to RNC on Allocation linked on my blog.

  • texastaxpayer

    When Willard faces billion dollar Barry, an opposition media and an angry base next November. I fear it is the democrats that will end up gloating. But hey who are we to put the good of the nation ahead of Willard’s personal ambition.

  • jamesm

    Funny how the rules now benefit Romney.

  • greyeagle

    The RNC did the same thing in Florida and Newt did not get any delegates. They broke their own rules.

  • jamesm

    Was not unanimous. Please explain why 2 people would vote against if there was a clear understanding. We will be waiting

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    the answer is “no” you do not know the difference.

    You also apparently don’t know the difference between “good faith” and “bad faith.” Mr. Santorum, a member of the PA Bar does.

    Some of us aren’t too stupid to know the difference.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    also the rule as of Feb 4th?

    If you want to be pissed that Romney won, fine. I can appreciate that.

    This incessant whining has just gotten tired and frankly, embarassing.

    Move on to OH where there’s still a chance to win.

  • miconservative

    The Romney people are so embarrassed that despite every possible advantage their guy could not close the deal. They are embarrassed that Romney had to spend $10 million to win a state that should have been a lay up. They wrote the primary law and then complained when Democrats were able to participate even though they did nothing to stop it. They wrote the party rules that allocated delegates propotionally and then try to change the rules to give their guy a victory he did not win under those rules.

    They got their win. They got their earned media. Now they put it all at risk to try and steal one stinking delegate. Pathetic and ridiculous. Bobby Schostak is a great state chairman and should be above this. Saul Anuzis is a hack on the Romney payroll. The former Attorney General Mike Cox, who is a Romney supporter and Chairman of the Committee that wrote the rules, called it a Third World decision. The Legal Counsel for the State Party voted against the decision.

    It is a dumb stupid joke.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    He’s not the one that changed the lamo rules. Blame the RNC. They’re the ones that have turned this whole process into a disaster.

    Is Romney supposed to sit back and not fight? What would you say then if he left delegates on the table? He’s too weak to go up against Barry?

    Wouldn’t we all expect either candidate to do whatever he can, within ethical boundaries, to defeat Barry in November?

  • miconservative

    Why did the former Attorney General Mike Cox, who is also a Romney supporter and Chairman of the Committee that wrote the rules, call this a Third World election decision. You should resign today.

  • miconservative

    The former Attorney General Mike Cox who chaired the committee who wrote the rules and the State Party General Counsel. Think they might have a good understanding of the rules.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    going to do? He’s less organized has way less money and can’t seem to stay focused for more than a day.

    Hmmm, a Marxist vs. a Theocon. Which one shall we choose?

    Neither. They both represent huge government intrusion and control and out of control spending.

    But yeah, Santorum represents the “true conservative” base of the party.

    What a joke.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    have any credibility in your eyes anyway?

    Sure doesn’t seem like it.

  • miconservative

    that the rules are violated it seems to benefit Romney.

  • republican1984

    Saul check out my piece on what is happening in Michigan and the danger of this going uncorrected!

    http://www.redstate.com/republican1984/2012/03/01/election-tampering-maybe-in-3rd-world-countries-but-not-in-america/

  • jamesm

    at the very least.

  • miconservative

    on the Romney payroll. Lousy State Chairman who presided over the loss of the state house, a crushing in the Governor’s race and our state being abandoned in the 2008 Presidential campaign. He needs to go away.

    He also supports Clark Durant. Can we expect the same tactics from the Durant campaign.

  • texastaxpayer

    between acting in “good faith” and “bad faith”.

    Is having members of your campaign change delegate allocation rules after the contest is concluded so your opponent can’t claim a tie acting in “good” or “bad” faith?

    Is attacking someone for reaching out to the very same demographic you claimed to be able to attract in your own messaging acting in “good” or “bad” faith?

    Is arguing the semantics of an open primary versus an open election in a transparent effort to cover the hypocrisy of ones chosen candidates acting in “good” or “bad” faith?

    Are you “too stupid” to know the difference?

  • jamesm

    ..

  • texastaxpayer

    Or are you so diluted that you believe Willard the author of “Romneycare” and grandfather of “Obamacare” somehow represents less government intrusion and spending? Surely that is not what you are suggesting?

  • miconservative

    If MI delegates truly believe in the rule of law then they need to throw him out!

  • AceInTX

    who are we to put the good of the nation ahead of Willard?s personal ambition.

    That sums it up nicely methinks!

  • texastaxpayer

    Perhaps you should reread what you just wrote there and contemplate the meaning of that statement in context. Perhaps then you will see our point.

  • AceInTX

    Gloat all you want asshole…but with every day…and every act by the party bosses to rig things in favor of inevitability….the mirror reflecting Mitt’s inevitability back at us get’s dimmer and dimmer….

  • jamesm

    have seen from someone attempting to call themselves a conservative.

  • AceInTX

    ,,

  • AceInTX

    sorry…as they say in these parts…that dog won’t hunt.

  • AceInTX

    5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*

  • AceInTX

    and had him as my second choice behind Ken Blackwell for RNC chair when he ran against Steel after the 08 fiasco….

    That respect is gone….rig the game for your show pony….good luck in November winning those you’ve screwed with these shenanigans over in the general election.

    I’ll vote Republican in Nov like I always have….but I’ll do it with more disgust than I did in 2008….I never thought anyone could ever approach my white hot loathing for John McCain let alone supplant it….but you guys have pulled it off…

    Congratulations

  • AceInTX

    …

  • JSobieski

    nt

  • AceInTX

    do you not realize the hole you dig for yourself and your candidate with every snarking and condescending wisecrack VRC?

  • JSobieski

    Add this to the list of Iowa and Virginia embarassments.

    Maybe we deserve banana republic status and should ask for Iraqi observors to monitor our elections?

  • AceInTX

    but this is too much.

    As has been pointed out…the Committee Chairman and the Chief Counsel on the committee were the people who would know better than anyone what was voted on originally…and they were the 2 votes against this move….I think Saul just smashed his credibility and integrity into irreparable bits with his lame defense of this….for what…one delegate?

    All I can do is shake my head in wonder

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    :)

    Corruption is what kills democracy/republican governance, and when its supposed friends put their sordid personal interests against the rule of law – it will be the Devil to pay. Four additional years of Obama (at least) will just be the beginning of the discharging of that debt.

  • lineholder

    I despise negative advertising anyway. I’m more in the camp of “Tell me why you deserve to be not elected…not why someone else doesn’t.” If I can be convinced, then the candidate has a loyal supporter. That’s pretty much so how it goes for me.

    But Romney has taken negative advertising to a whole new level lately.

  • demsaresatanic

    Romney has probably done more damage to the Repub party than anyone in my memory; it looks like some sort of suicide pact in slow motion. We know Obama will run a straight class-warfare campaign and we even seriously consider running a Wall-Street corporate raider against him? Maybe if Obama drops out in favor of Soros we will have a chance.

  • AceInTX

    I hate all corruption…even if it benefits me….get the money changers out of the temple….if it was good enough for Jesus….it’s good enough for me…

    now where’s that stick?

    heh

  • annie54

    n/t

  • haners

    I’m tired of this scorched earth meme. Scorched earth is what Newt did with the anti-capitalist class warfare rhetoric, which took down the Republican platform in addition to Romney.

    There’s nothing scorched earth about pointing out that Santorum voted for the Bridge to Nowhere and endorsed Arlen Specter. Nothing.

  • snowshooze

    And all he has ever done is tried to figure out what the stockholders want of him and do it.
    He was never a Leader, and with any luck at all, he will never be exposed to that level of responsibility because he never had the guts for it anyway.

  • GregInFla

    and the scared Romney establishment get nervous. Even if the rules were changed in early February, it’s still too late. They saw the handwriting on the wall, and decided to “fix” things. Shame shame shame.

  • lineholder

    You want to use relative standards to justify juvenile behavior, go right ahead.

    Enough is enough. There’s far too much at stake to waste any more time with this time of juvenile shenanigans. We should be spending our time convincing voters that we are more reliable, dependable and trustworthy than our opposition rather than putting ourselves in this kind of ridiculous position.

  • trickamsterdam

    Now you Romney people condescend and tell us we’re fools on top of everything? Condescend at your peril, bro.

    Like we all can’t remember three months ago just because the shaved orangutan in a costume you people vote for pretends he can’t remember any positions he’s taken more than literally a week before…and since you support him, you pretend you can’t either?

    This may still all work out after all (I’m talking about for the US). This gets rid of the “Santorum tried to appeal to Democrats nonsense” (nonsense because the whole way Romney has been sold from the beginning is appealing to Independents and conservative Democrats).

    Santorum couldn’t close the deal in MI, or compete in AZ, which makes people think he’s not the one. But the fact that it was that close tells everyone that Romney’s not electable either…now the others may not be either, but the difference of course is a lot of Newt, Santorum, and Paul supporters actually believe in the issues. But w/ Romney once you take away the “electability” myth, there’s very little, even nothing, left.

    But the whole thing w/ Romney and his supporters is a cult of personality (ironic for a robotic, near-medically-tranquilized-dullness person like Romney, who quite clearly has no personality, except the ability to get pleasure from laughing at Irish Setters) and most of all…WINNING! Just get him in the Oval Office and then…oh, “What then must we do?”.

    Well, he’s not going to have to worry about that, since he’s as unelectable as Ron Paul [peace be upon him], but w/ these kind of mistakes the R Base won’t either, as he seems determined despite all his careful planning to blow himself up before nomination. They make a fine pair by the way, Ron and Mitt. Fat Man and Little Boy.

    Peace be upon them indeed. :)

  • JSobieski

    But obviously the process stuff just got outweighed by one of the dumbest votes ever cast.

    For one delegate, the stench of a backroom deal is hardly worth it.

  • lineholder

    Sometimes I wonder what it is going to take to get this through the heads of people who wander in the political realm day in and day out…

    The level of distrust in government is very high. This does include Repubs. So back-room shenanigans that even remotely seem corrupt aren’t going to be well-received.

    Even I have enough common sense to figure that one out.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    I am not one who will say I will not vote for anyone but my candidate and I think it is very important to beat Obama. Nevertheless, these are something wrong with stuff like this, and if it keeps happening, and in the end, it swings this thing towards him, I am not sure I can drop principles and support Romney. I could never vote for Obama, and staying home is almost like doing that. However, gee wiz, what can I do. Any suggestions, does anyone else think they might have this opinion.

  • Republican_Michigander

    Michigan’s democrat districts are largely concentrated. We have five districts held by dems (new redistricting). The 5th (narrowly Romney), 9th (Big for Romney), 12th (Big for Romney), 13th (Santorum), and 14th (Romney big).

    Santorum did best in the most republican counties, with the exception of Livingston, Atrim, and Emmet. Santorum won Ottawa, Allegan, Missaukee, Hillsdale, Barry, Branch, St Joe, Sanilac, Lapeer, Osceola, Wexford, and Kent. That ain’t due to democrats.

  • jamesm

    I won’t cast a vote for Romney. I would have to compromise my values. That will never happen. I will vote against Obama but not for Romney. Romney offers nothing of value. He has no honor.

  • debrarae

    Romney has said all along that he already had the nomination ‘sewn’ up.

    Well, what if it’s true?

    It’s just not ‘Romney supporters’, who changed the rules. It’s the #RNC. They’re the ones who are demanding OUR MONEY, while promising the world. Yet telling US that we’re the extremist etc……

    This isn’t the first time in 2011 & 2012 that such corruption has been evidenced.

    How is it that in IOWA Santorum was ahead by 34 votes & with 8 districts not reporting? They took their sweet time in declaring Santorum the winner.

    Yet in Florida, with 40 districts not reporting they rushed before the primaries were OVER to call it for ROMNEY (ahead by 40 votes)

    Then in NV, the national review said many caucus goes were turned away for ‘being late’ …..

    And in AZ with no districts reporting as of 7:00 PM mountain time; Romney was declared the winner.

    Now we have MI, where it was actually a tie. According to the RNC rules, in that case the delegates in MI were supposed to be ‘divided’ proportionaly. And instead the RNC broke their own rules as they did in IO, and in other states for RINO Romney’s benifit.

    Can any one say they’re surprised?

  • JSobieski

    i.e. I don’t think the next 5 years are going to be particularly good . . . for anyone.

    I blame the media for most of it—-the idea that the Republican Tea Party Congresscritters are “too uncompromising” is laughable, but nonetheless a fairly widespread belief.

    Time to stock up on canned food, ammunition, and other survival stuff.

    For my part, I am going to get a concealed carry permit and a motorcycle. Why a motorcycle? Because in Michigan, there will be a mass exodus “up north” should things really hit the fan here. With a motorcycle, I can avoid traffic jams.

  • redmymind

    Now, the actual stealing of a delegate. There’s just no end to this slimy, elitist SOB’s digusting tactics is there!

    I hope Barack Obama absolutely HUMILIATES this smug piece of crap if IT manages to slither its way to the nomination.

    No more “anyone” but Obama for me! I actually prefer the sleazy socialist with his crooked but transparent socialist agenda to a complete sleazebag hypocrite pretending to represent the party of traditional values and fidelity to our founding principles!

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    If we want conservatives in the driver seats of the Party, making and enforcing the rules, we have to get conservatives into the precinct committeeman slots.

    The Party is there for the taking by conservatives.

    Do the math.

    Approximately 400,000 PC slots nationwide.

    About 200,000 filled.

    It’s EASY to become a PC. Just takes a little time and effort. In some states nominal dues.

    Again, back to the math. Let’s say in Michigan that, right now (apparently it’s the case), RINOs/moderates/whatever-you-want-to-call-them hold the state officer positions. And about, like the national average, about 50% of the slots are vacant. If Michigan conservatives fill up all the vacancies, all of a sudden that 50-50 split goes to 75-25 in favor of conservatives.

    Too late for right now. But . . . conservatives can still flood, right now, their local committee meetings to learn the ropes for next go ’round.

    Ever been to a local Republican Party committee meeting?

    Organize politically locally. Win, politically, nationally.

    Try it. You might like it.

    For Liberty,

    ColdWarrior

  • layedbackguy2

    Set my alarm 1/2 hour early last Tuesday, to make sure I had time to vote, on my way into work.

    I voted Santorum. I should sent the Michigan GOP a bill, for my 1/2 hour of wasted time…

    My precinct went for Mitt; 100 votes. Rick got 70 votes. A total of 233 ballots cast in my precinct.

  • jrterrier5

    Eric, you are getting as bad as MSNBC. Your dislike for Romney is coloring your objectivity. The MI Rep party adopted a rule to award the 2 at-large delegates to the winner of the popular vote preceded the primary. Here is a story from before the primary was held:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/examining-michigans-delegate-math/

    “February 27, 2012, 9:34 pm
    Examining Michigan?s Delegate Math

    By NATE SILVER

    Twenty-eight of the 30 delegates in Michigan?s Republican primary will be awarded, two at a time, to the winner in each of the state?s 14 Congressional districts; only two will go to the candidate who takes the most votes statewide.
    . . .”

    Another article: http://ivn.us/2012/02/27/republican-primary-spotlight-on-delegate-count/
    An example of the dynamics of these new rules will be on full display in the next Republican primary in Michigan on February 28th. Michigan hosts an open primary where any registered voter, regardless of party preferences, can participate. The state has a total of 30 delegates. The statewide winner will get two. The remaining 28 Michigan delegates will be chosen 2-by-2 in winner-take-all by individual congressional district contests.

  • angrytaxpayer

    I WAS PLANNING ON VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY IF HE WON THE NOMINATION ——NOT ANY MORE.

    ONE THING I HATE IS A CHEATER.

    MARCO RUBIO 2016 FOR PRESIDENT!

  • angrytaxpayer

    Flag it for now. If it come close, there will be a floor challenge in tampa.

    Same thing for the FL primary results. It has already been challenged

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We’ll ban you if you rally against our nominee.

    And that’s not up for debate.

    We have no use for fellow-traveler RiNOs who want Barry to win. like that.

  • angrytaxpayer

    i was intending to hold my nose and vote for romney if he won the nomination.

    I WON’T BE ANYMORE IF ROMNEY PLAYS LIKE THIS.

    I’ll get the pleasure of watching him lose in november.
    If republicans win both houses of congress, it may not matter much anyways

    Marco Rubio 2016 for President!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Only sore loser campaigns whine about one delegate when they LOST the statewide vote.

    Losers whine. Winners win.

    Santorum can’t afford to come off as the next Sore/Loserman.

  • trickamsterdam

    Yeah, it is. This is something unique I haven’t run into before, or really even read about in history.

    Most cults are based around a charismatic leader, but Romney isn’t charismatic. In fact, he’s rather android-like. Not like one of the realistic androids from the “Alien” movies that bleed the white blood and almost have emotions.

    Romney’s like one of the bad ones in the original “Star Trek” where suddenly in the middle of the conversation the face-mask pops off, and there are flashing lights underneath.

    But the Romney-Android’s programming (which was poorly done by its creators) does not allow for improvisation, so the thing just keeps talking w/ the flashing lights going. Eventually, it tries to improvise, and put its face-mask back on…but it’s upside down so its mouth is where its forehead is supposed to be. Eventually the Romney-Android leaves as if nothing weird had happened.

    This is what one of his typical campaign stops is like.

    Note: The scary thing is I don’t think most of these Romney people are being paid. I did originally, but not anymore. I think most of these people are volunteers who just really believe in Romney. Yeah, I don’t get it either.

    But look what he’s done to Ron Paul…whatever anyone may think of his ideas, he’s been walking the walk for a long time…suddenly Romney does a Jedi mind trick and Paul’s his personal chihuahua. Has a chance for his greatest victory ever in VA, and he just lets it slip.

    There’s no explanation, and no point in looking for one either.

    Romney is simply a force of nature. He simply is. Until he gets to the general election, and looks rather human after Obama outspends him three to one and has 75% the MSM, which are the advantages Romney has now….and then we know he’s not so great. It would be great if the Romney Legion would get on board before it’s too late, which it isn’t now. We could still stop this guy.

    But I guess Romney’s powerful charisma is simply too strong.

    Yeah, the general election, though: I hate it when angels (and androids) crash to earth, because I worry for the Romney Legion, and I just hope they’ll be OK. ;)

    PS – Romney Delenda Est

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    IO does make some sense, but if your pointing at Iowa, then its IA

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • traversecityconservative

    From Saul, a committee member who voted the other night. http://www.thatssaulfolks.com/2012/03/01/saul-anuziss-statement-on-michigans-delegate-allocation/

  • traversecityconservative

    That’s why I became a precinct delegate. And I went to Michigan’s convention and saw how rigged it is for the establishment. We booed them openly when they did things against their own rules. And we tried to get a different Lt. Governor but they made deals with the tea party guy on stage and got him out of the race.

  • phillyconservative

    It doesnt matter if he got one extra delegate or one less. Santorum conceded following his popular vote defeat. He.didnt wait until delegates were awarded. It appears Santorum is heading into Newtland by complaining this is an “outrage” that the guy who won by 30k got one extra delegate. Is Newt still suing the Florida GOP and Virginia?

  • arthurjake

    I am at the point I would rather see barry win over Romney if Romney is the nominee. There is no difference in the way they will govern and it will only hurt the party and the conservative movement. I would rather be able to make the argument in 2016 that a real conservative has the best hope of winning and changing things then run a loser who even if he wins will do more harm than good. The if he wins is a really big if. He will not have the conservative grassroots support it will take to get out the vote. I can understand post because After Dole, Bush, Gramps McCain and everyone else the establishment has been shoving down our throats I am frustrated with the results also, be it a win or a loss. I would rather see people come out in droves to vote for conservatives in other elections and vote none of the above for president. Maybe that would send the establishment a clear sign that we have had enough.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Your big egos overwhelm your little sense.

    You and Arlen Specter, holding hands and backing socialism in America.

  • ihateliberals

    this is a typical Liberal approach. Romney and the Romnulites are part of the left-wing Republicans. The GOP is ow Left-wing and they decided at the very beginning that Romney ws to be their nominee and they will stop at nothing to have it happen. This is the exact same thing that happen in 2008 and we lost then and we are going to lose now. Romney only has the left-wing of the party to draw from and he will not be able to hold the Tea Paarty or the conservative Democrats or the independents. That is why Obama is going to be a 2 term plus president. That is why we will lose the House and not even approach a win in the Senate. The GOP has their proverbial head up their proverbial Butts. They cn’t see the hand-writing on the wall. this fits Einsteins definition of insanity.

  • phillyconservative

    in believing that there will be no difference between a Romney presidency and an Obama second term, you clearly have a hatred for Romney because he is beating your guy. I know, it is because he raised more money. Or the “establishment” (anyone against Santorum or Gingrich) has him selected. Nevermind he is the only candidate not to serve in Washington and only tried once against a Kennedy. Look up Massachusetts. Romney is Republican who won a statewide election in a state that was the lone Mondale winner in ’84. Hes not establishment because he has executive experience in a deep blue state. Im almost convinced you are one of those liberal Democrats who voted for Rick Santorum. Listen to Santorum speak and then listen to Obama, both are heavily dependent on the use of straw man argument. Romney talks about record every speech nearly but Santorum still says Romney never talks about his record. Finally, people are starting to wake up to this fluke of a candidate.

  • salemst

    I think Erick is losing it. Look at the big picture, Erick.

    Romney’s campaign absolutely scorches any candidate threat to his nomination eviscerating them. He uses the rules to win assorted battles. The fact he’s so adept at political warfare should be leading to applauding him acknolwedging he’s by far the candidate we most want going against the Obama $1 Billion war machine.

    We don’t want to send any boys out to do a man’s job. Mitt Romney has shown to be the MAN in this campaign who knows how to take down his opponents. I can’t wait to see how he deals with Obama, as he’s got the best campaign and the only candidate smarter than Obama.

    Jump on board with our best candidate, Mitt Romney.

  • salemst

    mic, Romney’s the best fighter we have as on display in this campaign. He is who we want fighting Obama, a guy who knows how to win. When he’s skewering Obama I doubt you’ll be complaining. I sure won’t be.

  • trickamsterdam

    No, Mondale won his home State, MN. Even he couldn’t win MA. That’s what makes it so distressing that Massachusetts Mitt was “an independent in the 80s, not part of that Reagan/Bush” (his own words).

    Also, the two previous governors were Republicans, so Romney did nothing special, getting elected.

    Quite the opposite…his mid-30s approval rating, was a result of being one of the lowest five job creating States in the Union, as well as of his robotic demeanor and just being generally repellent to everyone…Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

    Considering that the two previous governors of MA were Republicans, the important thing isn’t that he could get elected in MA. That was what the previous two did. The important thing is that he couldn’t get re-elected, when the previous two could. And why?

    Because virtually no one wants to now, wanted to in the past, or ever will want to vote for Mitt Romney.

    BTW, I’m not disappointed you’re from Philly, because I grew up there, and hardly anyone there ever gets anything right.

  • ihateliberals

    nt

  • phillyconservative

    Romney and Spector. Romney went on to run for president again in 2012 on the same record he had in 2008. Reagan ran for 6 years from 74 to 80 as well but Gingrich is Reagan come again, so it was okay for Reagan not Romney. Its a primary. Romney is winning and will win the GOP nod. But you are electing Barack Obama if you cannot bring yourself to vote for Romney in the general. I wouldnt think twice about voting for even Olympia Snow over Obama. And what happened after Santurum endorsed Spector? He murdered a woman… Wrong Spector, but it was much worse, he became a Democrat…again.

  • joeydavis

    Find another candidate…

    I will not vote for Mitt Romney for any office EVER.

    If that means electing Barack Obama AGAIN, I’m at peace with it.

    I like Santorum. I like Gingrich. I don’t like Ron Paul, but I trust him and I’d vote for him.

    Demint, Jindal, Barbour, Palin, Perry, Walker, Kasich, Bush, Daniels, Rubio, Ryan, Dewine, Thompson, Pawlenty…. there’s a whole list of good Republicans that I’d be honored to support.

    But Mitt Romney has no credibility on anything. The only thing he knows how to do is spend money and avoid responsibility. We have enough of that in Washington already.

    So take it to the bank…

    This is one past Republican party chairman who will not support the Republican ticket in the fall and who will guarantee a 2,000 vote Obama win in a county that has voted Republican in every election since 1980 with the exception of 1996 when we put another stands for nothing RINO on the ticket.

    Now why is this important? Because said county happens to be in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 10,000 but McCain carried this county by 1000. So figure you have to make up 13,000 now instead of 10,000.

  • phillyconservative

    on the Mondale statement. I dont know why I thought that but heres a clue; Massachusetts is almost entirely Democratic. And Paul Callucci never ran for reelection, he resigned for a Bush Admin. position. As if that alone is enough to show that you are wrong about people previously, presently, and in the future wanting to vote for Romney. As I said before, there is an excuse for why Romney has won all the states he has and the last time I checked, you win by getting peolple to vote for you, which Romney has done, is doing, and will continue to do. Suddenly, Romney is only winning because his campaign has money, geography, and Mormonism. And I thought Democrats played the victim card. Thanks for the heads up on the ’84 election results in Mass. I have been saying that for awhile but I may have confused it with Nixons landslide. Still, Massachusetts has an entirely Democratic Congressional delegation. Now, since youre a student of history, compare the Republican Massachusetts Governors records. All were prochoice, except Romney who changed, like Reagan did. Now compare how many vetos Romney had. Just compare and if you can make the case that Romney was not the most Conservative, go ahead. And Romney didnt run for reelection so you cant say he “couldnt” get reelected. He chose not to run.

  • joeydavis

    His plan is to tell half truths, flip flop, turn his head, take no responsibility for his surrogates actions and then outspend everyone 5 to 1.

    Unless he’s got about $15 billion stuck away in one of his offshore accounts, that’s a hopeless strategy against Barack Obama. Obama will have a billion of his own and his Super Pac will have probably $2 billion more.

    In war terms, Romney’s army can’t take down Vatican City and he’s claiming he can beat China.

  • phillyconservative

    They changed their own rules before the election. Why wait till after the election to whine? Can you say “butterfly ballot?”

  • phillyconservative

    on the ballot to get “kicked off.” “Disenfran upchise?” Two delagates? Romney is up by much more than single digits. Santorum playing victim is Democratic with a capital D.

  • joeydavis

    Give me the sleazy socialist. I know how to deal with him .

    He was good for us in 2010. His wave gave us control of redistricting for the next decade. That senate class is safe to 2016 and he’ll create another wave election in 2014 that will overturn McCain’s ’08 fiasco.

    Then maybe in 2016, the establishment will have learned its lesson (or have gotten old and died).

    It won’t be so bad.

  • joeydavis

    There’s also nothing wrong with voting for the “Bridge to Nowhere” or endorsing Arlen Specter. NOTHING.

    If someone voted for “the bridge to nowhere” then yeah, but fact of the matter is it was a very small line in a very big transportation bill. It’s a lot of “so what” that makes us look petty and stupid.

    Grow up, run a real campaign on real issues. Your candidate claims he deserves the job because of his record. Let’s see his resumee,

    He claims to be a competent business man. Has he ever hired someone for a job based on an applicant’s resumee that simply told him what was wrong with the other applicants? I would guess not.

    Let’s look at the resumees on the table. For me Santorum’s PA senate record is far more palatable than Romney’s MA governor record.

  • out4tea

    Do the math. Become a PC or CC and you have a direct voice in the party or go to the ballot box and negate one opposition vote.
    If you really want to make a difference; take a little time off the blogosphere; get out to the local party conventions; replace the RINO insiders!!

  • joeydavis

    I’ll never be agaisnt a candidate who’s biggest fault is that he believes in God too much.

    Can someone please point out the flaw of “believing in God too much”?

    I don’t see it.

    Oh you mean you might offend a nonbeliever and not win an election?

    Really? Seriously? You’ve got to be kidding.

    If we truly have an election where the attack is “I don’t believe in the same God he does” I think Santorum wins in a landslide.

  • joeydavis

    Exit polls are small samples and have on occasion been very very wrong. That looks to be the case here.

    When one looks at the map it’s fairly obvious who the Democrats, who did actually cast votes supported (and apparently in a large way).

    Romney’s entire margin of victory came from one county, which happens to be very Democratic and heavily union and he won it in a lopsided fashion.

    Santorum won everything Republican in Michigan and won it big. The margin came from Oakland county. The tie came from suburban Detroit (heavily Democrat, heavy Union) vs. the rest of Michigan. And unless the “cheating Democrats” actually decided to lie on their beliefs, they weren’t beneficial to Santorum. Santorum won “very conservative” voters 50-30. Those would be the rural Republicans. Romney won “conservative voters” 50-30. That would be the suburban Republilcans. Romney won “moderate/liberal” voters 37-33. That would be Independent and Democratic voters AND the difference in the outcome.

    It is also consistent with the voter breakdown in every other state and exit poll to date. Colorado didn’t have exit polls, but it’s voter map looked EXACTLY like Michigan’s, heavily Santorum in high Republican regions and mildly Romney in Democratic strongholds.

    Sorry boys, your dog don’t hunt.

  • harmonicman

    So go ahead and don’t vote for Romney. After all, he might have cheated. Or to make it easier, just vote for the supreme cheater, Obama.

    People who really love freedom are smart enough to see that even if you don’t love the candidate, you must vote for him to ensure Obama’s defeat. Only with his defeat will the country have a chance of survival.

    As for Rubio in 2016, What makes you so sure that if Obama wins another term there will even be an election held in 2016. After all, dictators don’t need elections.

  • rightland1111

    however….please go to the polls and vote Republican. The reason is simple…Obama is bringing down America. While I agree with you concerning Romney…I don’t like him either, I have to remember that I consider the Republican Party one of ethics. Obviously, in some cases…this is not true

    Make no mistake…should you stay home, you might as well have elected Putin…that’s the difference.

    The entire GOP needs an overhaul…but…first things first…let’s get rid of Obama and elect a VERY, VERY STRONG CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS…BOTH HOUSES.

  • phillyconservative

    thing you said about socialized medicine was actually the Heritage Foundation’s alternative to HillaryCare and representitives from Heritage were present at RomneyCare’s signing. Plus, Rick Santorum endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008, many years after it was enacted and able to be reviewed. No complaints then but now Santorum seems to forget that state’s can do almost anything they want and mandate anything. He didn’t say he endorsed Romney in 2008 but had reservations about a statewide program that effected maybe 2% of the U.S. population. Now, all of a sudden in this campaign, a similiar bill with an unconstitutional national mandate that covers the entire population is the same thing because there are 15 things that are similiar, out of 2700 pages. As for the abortion thing, thats been put to bed awhile ago and only candidate-clingers hold on to that one. Again, Santorum didnt mind tax-payer funded abortons in RomneyCare in 2008, that is, if it were true.

  • rightland1111

    please look at what Obama has done in three years. Imagine if he is allowed to go another four. What about the SCOTUS…it’s real important that we have someone other than Obama. For all we know…if Chavez was not ill…Obama would appoint him!!!!

    On another note…we have to do something about Boehner…he does not have the guts to do what needs to be done…and that goes for Canter also. We need a leader like Newt. Ryan???Maybe.

  • phillyconservative

    blogs from one of the leaders of the anti-Romney movement is hardly convincing and shows clear desperation.

  • rightland1111

    that is a critical state. I would not believe that NC went for Obama in the election. Must be the eastern portion of the state.

    This is not a Bible Belt thing people…they don’t like him for who he is and nobody is listening. What did Pat Caddell say…Democrats..Party of corruption…Republicans…Party of stupid. Somebody better wake up on this one.

    If the egos could get out of the way…Gingrich President, Santorum VP and chop Romney off at the knees. If they would annouce that now…Super Tuesday would be a different story.

  • phillyconservative

    It is – misleading blog stories that is making you dislike Romney. Don’t believe everything you read because one or two facts may be true. Yes, Romney got two extra delegates but the rest is speculation, opinion, and in some things.just flat out untrue, which is typical of Santorum and for that matter, Gingrich too. This plan wasn’t changed, it was announced prior. You cannot dispute that.

  • acat

    Look, I get that you like the guy, but he’s running the same scorched-earth campaign this time that he ran last time, minimizing it is not defense.

    That he may succeed – and that I may have to vote for him – does not mean that this is a good precedent to set.

    Mew

  • acat

    and sometimes old ideas get proven wrong.

    Are you also a flat-earther?

    Do you believe bacteria or evil spirits cause disease?

    Mew

  • gwbramhall

    So we are talking about 1 extra delegate because
    Romney won a plurality, and he’s being petty? I think this
    one vote has about as much importance as what
    I had for dinner last night.

  • gwbramhall

    I wonder if they would have complained if Santorum
    had won as well he might have before he showed to
    all that pay attention that he is just not ready for prime
    time. Check out Ann Coulter’s column yesterday titled
    “The problem with Santorum”

  • joeydavis

    egos would get out of the way and Gingrich would just stand down.

  • joeydavis

    The delegate count would be very different after Super Tuesady. A lot of proportional hybrid states have “winner take all” provisos. Santorum could break 50% in Oklahoma, Tennessee and maybe even Georgia without Gingrich.

    It’s quite possible, if Gingrich threw his delegates to Santorum and the results landed right, Santorum could come out of Super Tuesday with the delegate lead.

    The eastern part of NC always decides elections. It’s full of social values conservative Democrats, or as we refer to them Jessecrats. With a strong social conservative on the Republican ticket these voters turn out. If not, they stay home and the Democrats win.

    When it comes to individual state elections national pundits don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. There are no “swing” voters to appeal to in NC. There are Conservatives and Moderates. There are more conservatives than moderates. It all comes down to voter turnout.

  • gsatt

    Vast knowledge about how to apply for loans to buy companies.

    that about sums up his business credentials rather broadly. I don’t think many in government have a hard time applying for loans though………….

  • gsatt

    Are we talking every 5 elections? every election? If they are normally changed is it typically 3 weeks before a primary? Is this shady business or business as usualy? or both?

  • texastaxpayer

    ” It is ? misleading blog stories that is making you dislike Romney.”
    I dislike Romney because:

    He has zero credibility. He has taken every possible position on every issue that matters to conservatives. I neither trust nor believe anything the man says.

    He has failed in his single attempt at leading a government. His 47th ranking in economic growth is only surpassed by his 34% approval rating as governor. All of the good things he may have done are destroyed by his healthcare and environmental policies that destroyed Massachusetts budget and ability to be competitive. It is no shock that after Romney’s horrible term Massachusetts voted for the first democratic governor since Dukakis in 1987.

    His business background that he tout is a disgrace. Whether its Medicare fraud or leaving the tax payers on the hook for under funded pension plans. It is abundantly clear Mitt Romney has no honor and is terribly lacking in the character department. These are not the traits of an American president.

    These blog stories aren’t why I hate Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney’s character, background and record are why I hate Mitt Romney. His underhanded dealings in the campaign only serve to confirm what anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty will tell you about the man. He is a manipulative, coniving and ruthless little man willing to employee any tactic to achieve his personal goal.

  • demsaresatanic

    Romney is nothing without a huge spending advantage, dream on.

  • jacobite

    Never forget that Mitt’s US-military-brainwashed-me-in-VietNam RINO-dad fought Barry Goldwater all the way and de facto supported LBJ in ’64. Ol’ George also gave Michiganders their first state income tax and left Detroits’ whites for dead in ’67. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

  • demsaresatanic

    Senior Romney was one of the original Rinos.

  • jacobite

    read up on the military campaigns of Francis Marion in the American Revolution. Read Machiavelli, Gramsci, Lenin, Robespierre, and Hitler. Read a history of the OAS in France. The methods of taking power are fairly well-known, and involve killing. We judge revolutions by their ultimate results; as the initial moves are pretty much the same — not-nice. Not only did American patriots kill many British, Loyalist, and German troops in battle and from ambush, but killed Tories as well, whether armed or not. BTW, FDR became President in the ’32 election, but got control by assuming unConstitutional powers and using the coersive force of Government to crush opponents and arm supporters (i.e., union goon-squads, who definitely did kill people). He succeeded in permanently establishing the Leftist Fifth Column in the US because no one seriously opposed him; and no one has seriously opposed him to this day.

  • demsaresatanic

    We are seeing Gramsci in action by the dem left every day, eat away at the foundations of society like termites until the country falls apart and they rebuild it their way. It is not a matter of Obama being stupid, the leftists know what they are doing.

  • edingerb

    Agree!!

    Pro-Romney, anti-Romney, pro-/anti-whomever, the salient point is that we must change the makeup of congress. Whichever Republican is in the oval office will, for the most part, sign the legislation sent to him by a conservative congress.

    I am hoping, actually praying, for a conservative landslide in congress so that there is no doubt that America can reverse its course and return to better times.

    In my opinion, the issue over the nomination for president, as important as it is, pales to the significance of electing a strong conservative majority in both houses of congress.

    Your post hits the nail square on the head.

  • circlegranch

    as was well articulated last week by Rush. This President has exhibited a hostility toward Congress and laid down that gauntlet in his SOTU address this year. He will simply bypass Congress and by Executive Order, put his policies in place. Can’t be done? He’s doing it already. He makes recess appointments when there is no recess. Do some research on EPA regulations that are in place and more on the way, outside of Congressional review/approval. (i.e., “EPA’s Approaching Regulatory Avalanche: A Regulatory Spree Unprecedented in U.S. History” by Kathleen Hartnett White of the Armstrong Center for Energy and the Environment. Ms. White reveals 10 new regulatory mandates that will be all be fully operational by 2015, will cost our economy more than $1 trillion, result in the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs and as our prez warned in ’08, cause our energy costs to necessarily skyrocket. All of these new reg’s need Congressional scrutiny, if not approval.

    Another issue that would have benefitted from Congressional oversight is being reported this morning by Joe Miller of Alaska. Miller, as you’ll recall, was a candidate for the US Senate in Alaska before liberal Republican, Lisa Murkowski intervened. Miller writes at World Net Daily of a shocking and secret oil agreement between the U.S. and the Russian regime which he describes as a ‘give-away’ of the oil on 7 Alaskan islands along with the oil-rich sea beds surrounding them. http://www.wnd,com/2012/02/obamas-giveaway-oil-rich-islands-to-russia/

    The take-away from the news headlines of the last several days should be that stories like Ms Fluke are dust in the wind compared to the truly serious matters facing our nation. She, and the stories like her, are used by the Administration to distract and deflect attention from the sorry state of affairs. The growing over-reach of the federal govt. has implications of far greater impact that birth control. While that’s a big deal to college students, it doesn’t have nearly the lasting value in whether or not America survives as do other, less reported (deliberately so) issues of the day.