when we talk about not wanting to subsidize sex but limit it to birth control. I shouldn’t have to pay for anyone’s Viagra either. The problem with subsidizing contraceptions is the same problem with subsidizing ANY medical expenses – it isn’t our job to subsidize your lifestyle. I have the same problem with subsidizing your contraceptions as I do supporting an lazy fat slop’s medical expenses. You don’t have a right to my money to pay for your lifestyle, whatever that may be.

I actually went over to cspan to see what she said.

It was your typical false premise, followed by sob story stuff.

She put that “which as you know can cost up to $3000 over 3 years” number out there…and when I check walmart I see birth control for $9 a month…..but then as any good soon to be democrat lawyer knows you have to protect some super expensive prescription drugs, otherwise there is no one out there to sue….

Then she laid it on thick wiht some story about a lesbian student who needs birth control to treat some endomytriosis type disease, and even though she stated that the Georgetown program would cover that, she pulled some smoke and mirrors to say that it was being denied her due to harrasment, and so that woman stopped taking it, and now has early menopause.

I personally don’t believe any of her “stats” or hypothetical scenarios. I’d like to see the actual cases she is talking about.

And it is about time Jesuits get off their social justice crap heap and all the dung beetles it attracts and stop giving “public interest” scholarships to people like her….

BONUS POINT: Why is a person who lost a U.S. Senate campaign after sucking up vast resources from Republicans donors that could have gone elsewhere somehow made the Vice Chairman of the GOP’s Senate Campaign Committee?

She’s a loser. She has a demonstrated talent for it. And losers are what we try to recruit for our Senate races and then raise to leadership positions if they happen to win.

Because they’re a SCOAMF?

to lose because they walk, talk and smell like Democrats.

He should have fun smacking down Carly today

even though Cornyn said they would not be getting involved in the primaries that year. Hopefully she is working for the Committee for free, at least up to the amount of their donations to her loser campaign. She was also endorsed by that stalwart conservative Senator McCain. She was endorsed, and most likely received donations from Mitt Romney. She was also endorsed by Sarah Palin, a self-described conservative, over Ken Buck the real conservative in the race.

Romney endorsed her, because like him, she was a job creator. Too bad that much of their job creation took place in China, or in other foreign nations.

Rush did the latter here, so don’t blame Fiorina for calling him on it.

It no longer matters how idiotic or irrelevant her testimony was, how indicative of cultural rot her worldview is, and how disingenuous Democrats were in pushing her. Now, the story is that Rush Limbaugh called a college coed a slut and a prostitute. And if you think that’s a net-positive when we’re trying to win a message war for religious liberty. your head’s in a place where sunlight doesn’t reach.

The “phony soldiers” comment was defensible, because the Democrats took it out of context and twisted its meaning. There’s absolutely no ambiguity here that Limbaugh meant to call her a slut. So expect the media to use that against Republican politicians who, unlike Limbaugh, actually have to win people’s votes.

than when do I get my free handgun? I have a right to it, don’t I?

MSM wasn’t talkng about this ludicrous testimony until Rush went on his tirade.

at the request of Queen Pelosi, when she had her own single witness (Flake) come and testify on “women’s health” issues. Pelosi doesn’t believe that men know anything about sex and making babies. Pelosi wasn’t going to allow all that liberal prep time with Flake go to waste.

Yes, the point that Fiorina is making is that use of the word “slut” only serves to HURT our cause, not help it. Hello? We all know that the lamestreamers control 90% of what’s seen and heard in the media. They don’t care what Rush “meant”, in what context it was used, or any of the details. Our side will be demonized and trashed relentlessly for one such dumb comment, for years…forever.

Rush is, by design, a blowhard who’ll say such things whether they help us or hurt us. HE thinks that whatever he says “helps” the conservative cause. Not so. Slip-ups/gaffes/dumb comments like this only hurt the cause. You don’t call someone a slut because they politick for birth control in health-care coverage. That’s just ignorant. It doesn’t even makes sense.

Of course we don’t want to subsidize/socialize birth control. Let’s make THAT case. Not that anyone who supports subsidized birth control is a “slut” or “prostitute”. A moronic, leftist stooge who can afford $50k college but is not willing to pony up $10/month for birth control pills, yes. A “slut” or prostitute, no.

God, sometimes I HATE what these guys do “for” the conservative cause. They are all too happy to MARGINALIZE conservatives as a whole, as long as they get to bloviate whatever it is that comes to their mind at any given moment.

Fluke is an activist for contraception (and most likely abortion also). She deliberately chose to enroll in a Jesuit institution after her research showed that contraceptives would not be covered by Georgetown’s student health plans. She acknowledges working for the past 3 years trying to get Georgetown to change policy (in opposition to Church doctrine).

The child* is a shoo-in for a Democrat law firm when she graduates.

* According to Obamacare, she’s still a child on her parent’s health insurance – wonder why she isn’t trying to get her parent’s health insurance changed.

It turns out that if you have a lot of sex, you are at higher risk of disease, which theoretically would NOT be the goal if “women’s health” was the main concern.

It turns out, so they say at the CDC, that you can get all these things from lots of sex:

Diseases & Related Conditions

Bacterial Vaginosis (BV)
Chlamydia
Gonorrhea
Hepatitis, Viral
Herpes, Genital
HIV/AIDS & STDs
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)
Syphilis
Trichomoniasis

Yuck. Looks like the “women’s health” advocates should really be pushing for abstinence – right? And did you know that all these diseases affect poor people more? YES, that’s RIGHT. The CDC says so.

So look for an abstinence movement from the left any time now…because, you know, it’s all about women’s health.

I will mainly focus on your last paragraph that rightly ponders why a person who made a failed run for Senate in 2010 — Carly Fiorina — is now serving as the Vice Chair of the GOP’s Senate Campaign Committee.

Answering that question — as well as addressing the childish behavior from both Limbaugh and Fiorina regarding the contraception issue — leaves me to conclude that the only answer for conservatives and the GOP going forward is very simply that we must recruit and groom new, younger leadership.

It seems to me that both Limbaugh and Fiorina — at least in this case — are behaving badly. We need to do better if we ever want to win the party and the country back.

taxpayer pay for a hump for anyone considering the cost and the fact health departments nationwide give them away for free. We need to tighten the fight towards actual cost versus the arguments written thus far by the media. No media company I’ve seen online or TV has discussed the actual cost. Even Planned Parenthood give it away and sells it.

Won’t be long till they expect taxpayers to pay for cigarettes after sex, opps my bad, they hate free market anything especially something that endangers polar bears and scares Al Gore.

$9 bucks a month at Target, Walmart and Kroger

$15 to $50 at Planned Parenthood, PP is scamming people for $50 and we give them subsidies, jeese!!!

Sandra, get second job if you can’t afford $9 or think about that aspirin idea!

http://www.reproductiveaccess.org/contraception/lowcost_pills.htm

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/birth-control-pill-4228.htm

http://health.costhelper.com/birth-control-pills.html
For patients not covered by health insurance, birth control pills typically cost $20 to $50 a month.
For patients covered by health insurance, out-of-pocket costs typically consist of a prescription drug copay. Most insurance plans offer the lowest copays on generic medication — usually $5 to $15 — and higher copays of $30 to $40 for non-preferred brands.
Birth control pills, the most commonly covered contraceptive, are covered by more than 80 percent of health insurance plans, according to the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals. And in some states, it’s mandatory; the Kaiser Family Foundation lists 33 states that require coverage of birth control.

said, and I am a woman who has no moral objection to birth control. The reason why? I actually listened to the context of what he was saying. His point was NOT that using birth control makes one a slut. He was questioning that if the taxpayer is funding this woman’s sex without consequences, does that payment make her a prostitute? I will also add that it was said with quite a bit of sarcasm as well.

The issue is the taxpayer funding of someone else’s birth control, not contraception itself.

What offended me the most was the Democrats’ response to this. It was purely insulting that they think women are so stupid that all they have to say is “contraception” and all women will be up in arms. Contrary to what the idiot Left thinks, women are intelligent and can read the truth for themselves. This shameless pandering and demeaning demagoguery makes me want to throw up.

Do they honestly believe that women will buy that “those mean old GOP people want to take your birth control?” Really? We are more likely to be concerned about how we will feed our families and get to work with the high gas prices.

Spin away, Democrats. You look more foolish by every passing hour.

Things that can be bought at low prices ,say $10. As always the conversation has been twisted by the left and as painfully always we seem to follow. The Normal People are not snatching the food from women, not at those prices. Of course they could reduce their sexual activity but that’s asking too much.
And as others here have pointed out, this resolves around the 1st Amendment. Yet again the left twists and we turn,. A president spits on the Bill of Rights and we debate the costs of contraception, and for those who can afford it but want another freebie from government.

is the religious freedom one. These other ones are just not making sense. Let’s talk about subsidies. First off, the role of insurance companies is to subsidize. That is what they do. My payments are subsidizing someone’s diabetes tests and someone else’s MRIs. I’m paying for people constantly. That’s what I do as an insurance policyholder. And if I get very sick or injured on the job they will pay for me. That’s how it works.

But let’s assume you get past the subsidy argument, and just take it for granted that there’s something wrong with subsidizing birth control. Then you have to make an argument that its okay to subsidize viagra, whose purpose is to allow sex (some non-procreative), and condoms, whose purpose is to allow non-procreative sex, but not pills, whose purpose is to allow non-procreative sex. It’s not like they make you sign a statement with viagra that you’re only going to use it for procreation. If pills can’t be subsidized because they make sluts how is condoms or viagra? It would be one thing if condoms were 100% effective but they’re not, so if you admit the condoms are valid then the pills should be too, since they just add to the effectiveness of the goal.

Let’s assume you get passed that – you have to make the argument that everyone on birth control, or at least the majority, are sluts. That’s got HORRIBLE optics for us.

And once you pass that, you have an effectiveness argument that’s tough to get around. If you don’t subsidize pills, you think the poor or stupid are going to stop having sex out of deference to your pocketbook? No, they’ll just have sex and get pregnant. That’s far more expensive than pills, it sometimes leads to abortions, and when she has the unwanted child what kind of a mother might she be? A good scenario is she gives the child up for adoption to a better family, but then you’re subsidizing the cost of that. If she keeps the child and is a horrible mother you’re paying for social services to deal with it, the courts to take the child away, and if they kid grows up to be a drain on society (i.e. a democrat) you’re paying for its unemployment and/or jailing.

There’s no way the numbers add up. It’s cheaper to just pay the $10 a month for the pills than to pay for all the other costs and procedures. The only way to win the effectiveness argument is to go to insanely unpopular lengths. Like a law that prevents people from having sex unless they can afford birth control, or forced sterilizations of poor people. It can’t be done.

What am I missing? Isn’t this argument a loser? The religious freedom vs. government mandate is an argument. The subsidizing sluts is wrong argument is fail.

media. I doubt she even here Rush’s logical comments on the subject. The lamestream always brings certain Republicans on-air to create a intra party conflict. Rush’s comments were spot on target and the Left goes bonkers because they recognize the absurdity of free contraceptives. Where is it going to stop? Why not give Ms. Fluke a free dinner and jello shots to justify the free contraceptives? As Rush observed, the taxpayers might as well get their monies worth and get a sex tape from contribution. We can see our taxes at work from school, dinner to the bedroom. I least we know it will not be any girl on girl action, otherwise, the contraceptive is not needed.

136 Free Condom Outlets in Washington DC http://t.co/zOC1jOWF What a joke the GOP has been suckered into.

More importantly, this simply isn’t a Federal Issue. Period. Nor is Healthcare for that matter.

The law is whatever we so boldly assert….The Constitution happens to back my position on this one. Wickard v Filburn and its Unconstitutional progeny notwithstanding.

Maybe all the men could chip in 5 bucks per trick.

My wife has a medical condition that makes a normal birth dangerous. We had two children through caesarian section. In the operating room after the last birth my wife told me she could not go through this again. I had a vasectomy paid for by my insurance.

The Catholic Church is against all birth control, including birth control surgery. Does that mean the Catholic Church should stop participating in all healthcare plans that cover vasectomy?

Mr. Limbaugh doesn’t think his contribution to an insurance plan should be used to subsidize birth control, in other words subsidize me.

So Erick, my question is why are my premiums being used to subsidize the lifestyle choices of obese, cigar puffing political pundits?

Because they can’t talk about the important issues for the country the left has been working on the “War on Women” campaign for a long time. It’s why they have been obsessing about Santorum’s comments. When they keep the discussion on their turf they win by not talking about the economy, etc. Rush Limbaugh fell in their trap, and didn’t care because it got him free publicity. They have been working on this line since the George Snuffolupogus question asking Romney about outlawing birth control (remember how that came out of no where?) Also remember the stupid photo op of the Dem Congresswomen walking out of the hearing.

The conservative arguments that win are ones that stress freedom and responsibility. These ideas are why Ron Paul is getting popular among young people.

Examples:
1) Freedom– We believe in smaller govt. Why are you inviting govt. into your bedroom to be involved in your private decisions? Keep the govt. out of your bedroom or they’ll have the right to dictate what you can use and when you can use it.

2) Responsibility– why should the couple working hard to support their own family have to pay someone elses lifestyle choices? Bring out examples like the left always does.

3) Responsiblility 2– Why shouldn’t your stud bring a condom along? You should make him do that. There are more dangers than just pregnancy, the pill only protects from pregnancy not the 30+ STD’s that most college students have.

Rush’s response is like the argument that you have w/ your spouse or child when you have a great cutting remark you could yell at them and it would feel so good to say, but it does nothing to help the situation. He should have held his toungue because it gives fuel to the fire that so many uninformed voters will believe.