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We Are at War. Is the Media Scared to Really Cover It?

Journalists are much more tolerant of attacks on Christianity than Islam. It is a fact.

ABC is airing a television show called “Good Christian Bitches.” Never mind the outrage over the recent Sandra Fluke business, but there is a double standard. And let’s not fool ourselves as the media would never tolerate a story where “Muslim” was substituted for “Christian” in that show.

The media’s present politically correct excuse is that Islam binds certain minority group’s cultures in a way Christianity does not. First, that is crap and speaks of a secular ignorance about many Christian communities even in this country. Second, it is an excuse so the media does not have to admit it is scared of muslims. You’ll see a news story about Christ in a jar of urine, but don’t ever expect to see a cartoon of Mohammed on the nightly news. The reporter doesn’t want to get murdered.

I am starting to wonder if the same holds true in the present war our country finds itself in that too few reporters are really brave enough to cover. We are at war on our southern border with Mexico and the press is really not doing justice to coverage of the war.

The latest story points out just how much of a war it is and just how badly our government and Mexico are handling themselves.

A Mexican drug leader. Oscar “El Apache” Castillo Flores, was released by the United States back to Mexico and immediately set about reacquiring power and killing people. He eventually is gunned down himself. His death happened this past week.

In September of 2011, Oscar’s brother Omar was gunned down in Texas. About the same time, someone kidnapped his wife from a Walmart in Brownsville, TX. These events rarely make national headlines.

More and more, the Mexican drug war is spilling over into the United States. American citizens are getting killed. Border agents are getting killed. Random citizens are being kidnapped. Mexico is less and less safe.

And the media rarely reports the extent of the violence or that it is spilling over into the United States. These are not acts of crime so much as acts of terror. They are escalating. Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a plan to help Mexico in this war.

Look again at the article. It has no author. Why? Because the reporter is in danger of losing his life. He must be kept anonymous. But this local reporter is willing to report and keep reporting. It is not something national reporters have yet started doing. I wonder if they are scared or just do not get how bad it is and will become.

The only other very obvious explanation is that this war does not fit into some sort of media narrative to make it newsworthy. It’s Mexicans killing Mexicans and the occasional Texan. Surely that’s not why the media is ignoring it. Do they not care about Mexicans and Texans?

COMMENTS

  • mutantone

    Then have them all lined up on the southern border and head south taking over every ting as we go establish Military districts and take control of the nations all the way to the tip of south america it would not only stop the drug problems and establish democratic governments all the way down but open up a whole new world of natural resources, help establish better schools and other institutes that most of these countries lack now and it will remove all the dictators along the way and remove the incentives for illegals to come here.

  • Douglas Erley

    It makes Obama look bad. Any story that makes Il Duce look like he is not in total control for the good of America will be ignored. End of story.

  • Jack_Savage

    The media has a sacred duty, enshrined in the Constitution, to freedom of the press. They have long since abdicated that duty as impartial referees. And to think we cluck our tongues at Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

    When do leftist politicians and the press cross the line to domestic enemies? Have they already?

  • Viet71

    GWB knew how to manipulate the press like no president before him. He understood a reporter would sell his or her soul for a morsel of perceived inside, anonymous information. Obama is carrying on the proud tradition.

    Walter Cronkite and David Brinkley would not recognize today’s MSM.

  • Dave_A

    Beyond the ‘war on drugs’ catch-phrase, anyway…

    It’s a law-enforcement problem, not a military one.

    The existence of the Mexican cartels is a matter of geography – wherever the border is, there will be smuggling cartels just south of it. It’s geography combined with economics.

    The problem with calling it a ‘war’ is that this implies there’s a military solution – there isn’t. Do we invade an allied country because of the operations of criminal gangs? Is the Army really the right tool to use against what essentially adds up to plain old organized crime?

    The answer to the above, IMHO, is NO, and NO.

    Mexico isn’t at war with the US. The drug cartels aren’t even ‘at war’ with us – although it could be argued that they are with the Mexican government.

    This is a law-enforcement/crime problem, not a military one. It’s not a war.

  • DerKrieger

    …would ratchet up demands for a border fence, increased deportations, and give more attention to illegal immigration generally that Obama doesn’t want. He needs their votes.

  • edintexas

    Give the man a cigar. )h, wait, That isn’t PC. Not even a bubble gum cigar (do they even still make those?).

  • Jack_Savage

    Just a little ol’ law enforcement problem. Nothing to see here. Just step over all the dead bodies and move along. I guess all the gunshots are just accidental discharges.

    Also, I am sure that although the reporter mentioned above can’t share his name for fear of being killed, judges, juries and witnesses in all the trials would be happy to do so.

    Think, then post. Always a good thing.

  • Dave_A

    AQ is actually engaged in a conflict with us, that has discrete military goals on both sides. AQ wants to force us out of the middle east, we want to destroy AQ.

    Further, there are actual military operations that can and have worked to dismantle the AQ organization and defeat their forces in the field.

    To contrast, the cartels aren’t in this for political, ideological or military goals – they’re in it for profit – just like any other crime syndicate.

    And just like any other crime syndicate, the tools available to law enforcement are quite adequate to deal with the situation.

    For those of you calling it ‘war’, what would you have us do? Invade Mexico and blitz Mexico City like it’s Baghdad in 03? ‘Clear’ border towns like Afghan Qualat complexes?

    Here’s the problem with a ‘military solution’ – the cartels don’t have any allegiance to ideology or territory, beyond what is profitable for their illicit business enterprises. Wherever the US border is, the cartels will set up just below it, in whatever is the strongest position from which to engage in smuggling & related crime.

    It’s a police problem. Save the military for problems that lend themselves to a military (clear-and-hold/invasion) solution.

  • Dave_A

    Much less illegal immigration.

    If you look at the lengths that Colombian and other cartels go to, to smuggle drugs into the US, you’ll see that a ‘fence’ would do nothing to mitigate the cartel problem.

    It would simply increase the sale of digging tools, rope, and ladders in and around the border

  • Scope

    Here is a link to part one. Saul Alinsky and Barack.

    Surprise surprise, old Saul attacks Christians.

  • http://somethoughtsonfreedom.blogspot.com/ somethoughtsonfreedom

    is how stories that get glossed over should really be red flags to how bad security is on the border. There have been stories of members of Hezbollah being captured after helping to construct extensive networks under the border similar to the ones the Israelis have to deal with. It is not just Mexican cartels commiting crimes and violence but ACTUAL TERRORISTS (enemy combatants with whom we are at war) on the border and helping the cartels out. How long before we get suicide bombers coming out of tunnels from San Diego to Brownsville?

  • Viet71

    I have a second house in Cochise County, Arizona — pretty much Ground Zero for a lot of human (and at least some drug) smuggling into the U.S. along the Arizona-Mexico border.

    The smuggling is a guerrilla operation, very skilled, very professional. The illegals are led along remote mountain routes to places where they they are picked up and transported first, to, Phoenix.

    The Border Patrol and law enforcement know very well what they’re confronting. They’re short on resources, however, including local jails.

    The only military forces that would make any sense in this environment are special forces. But to tell the truth, the citizens of Cochise County probably wouldn’t want an all-out shooting war in their county. Call it apathy, if you will. It’s reality.

  • acat

    Stand up a new Army division, allow transfers in from other services and divisions provided they speak Spanish, and send ‘em to enforce the border.

    Boots, not fences, are what’s needed.

    Mew

  • westcoastpatriette

    This should get interesting. Too bad Breitbart will not be here to revel in seeing the Marxist-in-Chief be fully vetted and exposed for the manipulative scoundrel that he is.

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  • acat

    “War” doesn’t imply offensive operations, it can also imply defensive ones .. like, I dunno, *enforcing the border*?

    Mew

  • minister_of_war

    Oh the shock!

    … and now in other news Erick Erickson talks up Obama’s reelection chances while simultaneously complaining about unnamed Republican sources who sound like they are being sarcastic when they say that they would almost rather wait it out until 2016 to show certain “conservatives” that their pettiness & confused strategy isn’t helping anything.

    It’s a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black here, don’t you think?

  • cwfoster

    Tom Clancy wrote a novel about a President writing an Executive Order finding there was a “clear and present danger” to the security of the united States posed by the Drug cartels in COLUMBIA. I would like SOMEBODY in DC to grow a set and set up a series of clandestine NSA listening posts, and Special Forces outposts along the border, and when the NSA is able to identify a center of activity, that night a black helicopter would make a crossing of the border below radar and then next morning there would be an apparent new battle between the cartels, and cause the fighting between the bad actors to escalate. If somehow it leaked, it would be demonstrable that their was PLENTY of precedent, the Mexican American War, Blackjack Pershing going into Mexico after Pancho Villa (who did much less than what the Cartels have done). The amount of attrition the professional troops could inflict upon the criminal element (in a foreign country, I’m NOT suggesting violating Posse Committatus, or using them WITHIN the US) SHOULD be sufficient to allow the Mexican authorities to regain control of their own country.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    1) Erick isn’t a gutless bucket of turds who hides behing anonymity.
    2) He simply points out the futility of supporting the GOP Candidate that idiots like Barack Obama have to call for advice when they implement greater socialism.

  • bobmark

    Whack-a-mole won’t work unless enough moles are whacked (forcefully enough) to make prospective moles think twice. Otherwise prices of drugs and passage will increase and the cartels will be that much more concerned about their shipments.

  • cwfoster

    and step away from the keyboard! GWB manipulated the media? Was that when Cindy Sheehan was camping out outside his ranch? Or when the MSM was railroading Scooter Libby for a leak that Richard Armatadge perpetrated? Perhaps it was the 15 times the stories about rising gas prices that were affecting the economy than they’ve put out about Obamas rising gas prices, (of course now it’s CONGRESS’ fault!). If you think the MSM is effectively an apparatus of the US govt. then we’re wasting our time talking here, because you think the DNC is the US govt.!

  • steeltube

    Instead of getting into a “it’s war” vs “it’s law enforcement” debate why not just agree it’s a problem that needs addressing in a way that presently is not.

    And then ( once we we reach that agreement) cut military spending by 20% and apply that same 20% to Homeland Security/Border Patrol.

  • bobmark

    In order for the Alinsky-ite info/tactic to work, the ignorant center need to know who he was, what he espoused, and the tactics he advocated. Otherwise you’re just going to be met with blank expressions and questions about “Who cares? and why does it matter?” I’m afraid even FNC and FBN don’t have the viewership to actually get this in front of enough eyes for it to matter.
    Need something clear cut and compelling to connect 0bama and his policies with the negatives called for by Alinsky,

  • acat

    Take a look at Mexico, at what’s really going on there, and tell me you don’t see a civil war on the horizon.

    Better to figure out how to defend, and where to put the refugee camps now….

    Don’t like that reality? How about this one – “permanent jobs program”?

    Mew

  • izoneguy
  • bobmark

    and claymores in the tunnels myself. In the meantime nothing will happen until a sympathetic American gets killed. Then they’ll blame Bush, of course.

  • izoneguy

    Hezbollah Working with Cartels

    As if the threat of deadly drug cartels in Mexico wasn?t enough, some of them are joining forces with Middle East terror groups.

    ?Hezbollah are absolute masters at identifying existing smuggling infrastructures,? says former DEA Chief of Operations Mike Braun, adding that the group ?is developing relations with those responsible for operating those smuggling operations and then forming close relations with them, so that they can move anything they have an interest into virtually anywhere in the world.? That comment comes from former DEA Chief of Operations Mike Braun. He goes on to tell me that the Middle East terror group is ?rubbing shoulders? with drug cartels around the globe.

    Congressman Connie Mack chairs the Western Hemisphere Subcommittee and says, ?I think the question that we all have to ask is, when the terrorist come into Latin America, when they move into Mexico, how many have come into the United States? Our government doesn?t know the answer to that question. That should make all of us very fearful.?

    The Congressman is critical of the Administrations response to this increased threat, ?What are we going to do to secure our border step one and step two what are we going to do to confront the drug cartels in Hezbollah from continuing to create a force inside Mexico that will destabilize the United States??

  • steeltube

    Whether you want to talk illegal immigration OR drug smuggling, a focus on the SUPPLY side is now, always has been, and always will be a failure.

    Unless their is a decrease / elimination in the demand for illegal workers by business or drugs by the general public, it’s a lost cause.

  • streiff

    when AZ passed their law revoking the business license of companies that were employing illegals they saw a measurable decrease. The real target should be the employers and we should put them out of business.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    It’s more this:

    I mean, a lot of people are having fun, but at the end of the day….

    Not that this is any less true of the others.

  • acat

    (Cheshire grin)

  • smagar

    - California (which will vote for Obama)
    - Arizona and Texas (which won’t)

    THAT’s why the feds are ignoring the border in an election year.

  • funwithknives

    “Stupid”, ” Moron”, “a liar”, “A tool of the Oil Companies”, and( Reader fill in the blank here) clearly shows he had ‘em all in his back pocket.
    Stating bald-faced falsehoods easily disproved by a 58 year old male’s( with mild C.R.S) recollection does your awfully thin narrative no favors.

  • funwithknives

    when faced with a rule that prohibited direct Military involvement, “Sheep-Dipping” was used very effectively.Military members would ‘resign’ and reappear in another time and place and have at it.whn over they re-appeared at peer rank and continued on.
    It was used in WW2, (China, Flying Tigers) Vietnam, (SOG and many others, including RAVENS) and had measurable returns on effectiveness.
    So why not again, to quell any insinuation of internal military use, in America’s borders?
    Barring that, is there any outreach to returning veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan? Surely, some of them want to do this job and are willing.

  • ihateliberals

    The drug cartels are as organized if not better than most Armies of the world. first off they have a zero tolerance for failure. There is a military solution to any threat to the well being of the USA. The idea that this is a criminal problem is part of the problem. It went beyond being criminal with the invasion of the southern border and the total disregard for US law. What would we do if Canadians started crossing the border and kidnapping people out ot heir homes and stores. just let it go?

  • Bill S

    Unless you would like to give me an excuse to boot you out of here…which woul be fine by me.

  • funwithknives

    using the Source Mat’l from B G .com. Simplify it and keep it on point. Attempt to buy airtime on commonly used, highly viewed channels such as ” E”,Lifetime, MSNBC, Current(Oh Yeah!) and Bravo. When they refuse to show it, (Do you have any doubts?) for revenue exchange, expose it for all it’s worth. Curiosity would drive people to view this online ,etc,and someone anxious to make a buck would eventually pick it up. (such as REELZ)
    Can this be done? Look where * Citizens United* eventually led. Unanticipated Consequences are always waiting, for The Bold.
    At worst, you got a salable DVD that has a ready-made audience.

    Critics may Commence, at their leisure.

  • minister_of_war

    I meant to post this comment under Erick’s earlier post: “This Goes Both Ways, Right? Some Republicans Start Rooting for Conservative Defeat.”

    And this comment would have been totally appropiate & justified there. My apologies. Sometimes the interface here gets confusing, where in order to comment, you have to log back on & then it sends you back to the main page. Then you have to go find the post that you wanted to comment on all over again & the the individual comment that you wanted to respond to. Since I wasn’t responding to any individual comment, I thought that I picked the right post again, but I was confused.

    If you have some magic way to back date my comment & put it where I intended, I’d be delighted.

  • minister_of_war

    … but I know that double posts are also forbidden, so I guess I’ll just leave my comment where it is now.

  • Dave_A

    After seeing how well it doesn’t work in Afghanistan.

    Also, the US doesn’t use ‘dumb’ mines except in Korea and Cuba – and that’s just because we planted the damn things long before we realized what a pain in the ass they are. Claymores are command-detonated – they need a man watching the mines, holding a wired detonator.

    That also ignores the serious LOAC and police use-of-force issues involved with using mines in areas with heavy unarmed-civilian traffic.

  • Seedyrom

    Good analogy using a pathetic show that I’ve never heard of and will not watch when it airs. So much for the “Family Channel” More like the Godless Souls of Liberalism Channel” .

    The corrupt left always blacks out left wing started wars because they are cowards, degenerate scum and truly pathetic people, the kind most in school never respected. So they grew up the ugly kids who live to sellout the country. These people rooted for Julian Assange and for Bush and Cheney to be prosecuted yet Bill Clinton can torture and start wars on lies and they get all giddy when Bubba speaks. Disgusting bunch and the lefties who don’t like the sellouts won’t take a stand are not innocent either.

  • Dave_A

    The US military is not a defensive force at the tactical level… By doctrine, defensive operations are to be used only as a transition back to offense, not as a means in and of themselves.

    Placing military forces on ‘defense’ – particularly border-guard duty – results in steadily deteriorating morale, degraded combat skills, and opens the door for corruption & graft.

    If you want to see everyone worth retaining leave the service as soon as their contract is up, make their primary mission border-guard duty. You’ll keep the folks with too many years invested (the ‘PT Sock Inspector’ corps), and some of the new recruits… But most of your fighting troops will be gone faster than you can say ‘ETS’.

  • Seedyrom

    where it belongs

  • Dave_A

    Nothing at all.

    It’s a crime syndicate. Yes, they commit crimes in the US (the overwhelming majority against other cartel affiliates & criminals), but that doesn’t justify giving 20% of the defense budget to the border patrol.

    If you want to deal with illegal immigration, use the existing law, improved IDs, and allow the IRS to audit/enforce employment law as well as the income tax (they already deal heavily with the required financial issues as part of tax enforcement).

    Don’t spend another dime on the border.

    As an added benefit, a demand-side/internal-security ‘attack’ on illegal immigration will reduce the traffic over the border to almost-exclusively drug-smuggling related actions – making it easier for the existing USBP agents to deal with the drug problem by removing the camouflage afforded by non-drug-related illegal crossings.

    The military has no business getting involved in the border situation, unless there IS a civil war & we have to do another ‘Punitive Expedition’, Pershing/Patton style.

  • Dave_A

    For those leaving the service who are interested in border duty (or a career in federal LE, period – USBP is seen as a ‘gateway’ to a career as a federal agent in other parts of the government)…

    For those of us not leaving, you won’t find many who want to volunteer for permanent full-time guard-duty… It’s one of the most hated details in the Army (Even over here, where you might actually get in a firefight while on tower guard)….

  • bobmark

    My point was to find and booby trap some tunnels, and maybe people won’t be quite so willing/anxious to go into other tunnels. Probably just as effective to have the “mine” explode with the dye they use for bank money bags. Makes those folks pretty conspicuous, eh? And eliminates all that racial profiling b.s., “red handed” so to speak.

    p.s. I am fully cognizant of the demand side of the argument. My town is now well over 70% hispanic and it’s an open joke about the illegals and what they’re doing here.

  • Dave_A

    And it never went beyond being criminal, because there’s no ‘invasion’ of the US.

    There’s smuggling of drugs, arms & persons…. And there’s the separate (and essentially irrelevant, in the eyes of the US government – as evidenced by the fact that ‘illegal entry’ is only a minor misdemeanor, almost never prosecuted) crime of illegal immigration which the smugglers use as cover for their more serious crimes.

    None of that qualifies as an invasion – there’s no hostile army occupying US soil, no legitimate or credible attempt to take over US territory – Red Dawn was just a B-movie…

    What there is, is a series of well-organized and brutally run crime syndicates catering to the US demand for illegal drugs & smuggled persons.

    But no amount of organization makes them into a hostile army, nor are they ideologically hostile to the US. They are in it to make money, and having a ‘war’ with the US would be extremely unprofitable. That creates another problem – they have no reason to actually fight us, if we attempted some form of military action – direct confrontation would ruin their profit margins (relative to other drug-smuggling organizations from around the world).

    In the end, they’re just criminals committing crimes…. With a proper allocation of resources, our law enforcement agencies can handle them – just like crack & coke in the 80s, or bootlegging during prohibition…

  • Dave_A

    Demand-side is the way to go on immigration…

    Unfortunately, we can’t quite get our self-control-deficient population to lay off the drugs, so we’re stuck tackling that on the supply-side.

  • acat

    And border interdiction is a perfect job, especially from October to May, for national guard units from northern States. “Hey, two weeks in the sun!”.

    They don’t have to be *good* border guards, they just have to be present – it’s up to the gurus at the Pentagon to lay out proper defensive installations.

    Finally – defense is absolutely a routine part of our armed services operations .. or don’t you think we have to secure our bases?

    Mew

  • streiff

    the first step would be legalization. I think the “war on drugs” has done more to destroy civil liberties than it has to reduce drug use. Do we really need our cops decked out in black fatigues and carrying assault rifles? Do we really think every one-horse town should have a SWAT team? Should the law enforcement budgets of quite a few counties and municipalities be largely dependent upon property forfeitures under our drug laws?

    I say this a s a conservative who thinks libertarians are generally loopy.

  • acat

    And I do so as a libertarian-leaning conservative who is quite fed up with demonization substituting for conversation.

    Mew

  • acat

    Several historical parallels to other failed regimes and failed States…

    Mew

  • acat

    In the end, they?re just criminals committing crimes?. With a proper allocation of resources, our law enforcement agencies can handle them ? just like crack & coke in the 80s, or bootlegging during prohibition?

    Law enforcement failed utterly, and eventually just papered over these problems.

    Mew

  • kcdude

    have a use. GPR works pretty well on flat ground but seismic sensors are much more effective and improved versions are available to be deployed. I remember attaching tripwires to claymores in the 70′s – no command detonation required – FWIW. Boots – be they Homeland or military and sensors – and to a limited degree fences – are the way to stop the foot traffic. Acat mentioned earlier the us of Reserve / National Guard troops and that is probably the best solution involving the military – though two weeks is not long enough – 90 to 120 days would be better. I found that they were dedicated and they did not tire of monitoring a position. Rotation, proper training and total intergration with the Homeland troops is key.

    The other than foot traffic inolves more effective use of VACIS and better VACIS. Customs always had issues with the amount of cargo that could be inspected. The fix there is more better equipment, more boots and vastly expanded examination areas. It will not stop the problem but it could result in cutting some of the supply. The commitment from executive and congressional branches has really never been there except possibly with President Reagan and Bill Bennett days and that was too little, applied poorly.

    I agree that reducing demand on the human and drug side are the ways to go – I think we can likely get to a solution for people – not so sure about drugs. There is no U.S. national will and there has been no successful engaging of the Mexican government that I have seen. Read about Operation Casablanca – get in the weeds – if you want to know why the ‘drug war’ will never be a real war or winnable.

  • rightland1111

    Hannity never went back that far. I sent this out to my e-mail people asking them to please vote. Not very many are in love with Romney.

    I knew a lot about Obama…I researched him big time…but this…didn’t know about it…couldn’t find it. The link also went up on my Conservative Chat Board…so I would suspect that this has gone viral…in that the site has crashed several times.

    Thanks.

  • rightland1111

    I will vote for him and thanks to the close (i.e., Scope’s Breitbart) article…whoever is the candidate…INCLUDING RON PAUL.

  • rightland1111

    I am afraid of posting it because it could make someone who reads this site unhappy. What I am saying here is this….we are limiting free speech because we are afraid that it might offend someone. No…it did not have curse words in it…it was factual what is OK these days?

    Did Rush go too far with the slut word…yes…but I also understand the analogy…he should have kept it on the First Amendment…but because Obama “changed” the subject into contraception…he went there also.

    My You Tube is About the Burning of the Koran or Quran by mistake and about free speech. However, if a person were to casually read this site…that might make them mad. So, for fear of being banned because of radicalism….we have, in effect, limited our own free speech.

  • Scope

    who were a part of Obama’s Chicago days. People may not be aware of who Alinsky really was, but they sure know what the term Communist stands for. Bring back the McCarthy lists! although I doubt there is enough paper or pixels to contain the ever growing list. I truly believe that some are spouting Communist propaganda, like the liberal women who have been deputized by Moochele Obama as enforcers of the food police policy. I can still here Ashley Banfield on CNN with her face all twisted up, and smoke coming out of her ears when she said she was beefed, beefed I tell you, that Pizza and FF are still on school lunch menus and are considered vegetables. You know you are in Communist territory when they take a little girls turkey sandwich, banana, and apple juice away because her mom didn’t include enough veges.

  • acat

    can be found in this Arthur K piece at Ace of Spades

    Ace and Jake Tapper go back and forth in Twitter about whether Tapper will actually do his job and question Ms. Fluke…

    The idea that we’ve put up billboards and tapestries in the marketplace of ideas to block the view of certain topics, and avoid giving offense to certain groups is not unique to Islam .. and is going to come back and bite us …

    Mew

  • Scope

    for his slut comment. LOL Bring it on Stimpy and Fluke, and lets see how many lawsuits are thrown back at the Dems. for their incendiary speech on a constant basis.

    I wonder if Stimpy and the liberals will address this evil looking piece of garbage Mike Malloy the liberal radio talker when he mocks those killed by the tornadoes as “little great spots on the radio. Nope, they’ve wanted Rush to be gone as long as he has been on the air. If I see the Rush thing one more time on CNN today, I will throw something at my TV. The only thing worse is that I can’t bear to watch the Romney channel today aka Fox.

  • rightland1111

    nt

  • rightland1111

    before he was elected. I read his books, I checked out the facts on assertions made in anti-Obama books…I followed and checked Hannity.

    What is very interesting and is factual is that Reverend Wright’s church came out of Black Liberation Theology. That is Communist based and originated or practiced heavily in South America. It shoud be obvious that many of Obama’s czars are Communists.

    Then there is this. Stanley Ann Dunham was an atheist (sp)…Obama’s real father was a self proclaimed Communist and Luo Soetoro, his step father was socialist. Frank Marshal Davis, the man that Dunham too up with after dumping Soetoro is a self declared Communist. So..all of his mentors was Communists, excepting Soetoro who was Socialist. Put that together with his books, where he claims that he hung out with radicals and “Communists” and whalla…Barack Hussein Obama.

    Another interesting fact learned today….Obama’s nanny is a transvestite. (Drudge). Then there is the question of his name. Did you know that Obama has very little Black blood in him. Half is white and the majority of the other side is Arabic…hence the three Arabic names..connect the dots for the religion of the parents on Dad’s side. Such a good Christian boy!

  • Scope

    I suspect that the drip drip drip of the Breitbart works will paint the very same true picture of Obama before the next election. I just want Breitbart’s releases, whoever is releasing them, to hit every media outlet possible. We know the leftist TV channels won’t touch this stuff, so it will be be to all of us to pass around in every avenue we can. It would be a wonderful honor to Breitbart if someone here would do front pagers every time more facts are released.

  • Jack_Savage

    But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn’t understand it. So here it goes again:

    If you say this is merely a law enforcement issue, how can a judiciary charged with handling it function if all the particpants fear getting killed by doing so?i

    Hopefully that made it clear enough for you.

  • obxdiver

    of having Marines on a Naval base. They’re all not just hanging waiting to board a ship. There’s a whole bunch of them there ready to defend the base if it comes under attack. Onboard a ship there’s a Marine unit that’s there to defend the ship against onboard threats and act as the cops.

    So, that’s at least one branch that’s well versed in defending with a little law enforcement thrown in. I’m sure it would be easy to find plenty of Jarheads who’d love to hang out down south.

    I suggest creating a buffer all along the border with two parallel rows of razor wire say 100m apart. It’s cheap and could be put up fast. Then place a tower every so often with a Marine Sniper. Anyone venturing between the two rows of wire without authorization does so at the risk of having lead sent in their direction at a very high speed. Squads on the ground to fill in the gaps. Plus we can get this generation of Tunnel Rats some experience clearing and sealing off the drug tunnels and such.

    Hell, I think it would be good for morale. The Marines I know would love it. Can’t quite figure out how being stationed in say Texas, is going is going to degrade moral more than being stuck in Afghanistan or some other such place.

  • dennis1111

    what hype. The Press is on auto manipulate for every liberal/Progressive movement or personality. The Press raged against Bush constantly. I have a friend who thinks CBS is a conservative rag. That sound right to you? Hello? Cronkite and Brinkley were the “sages” who never wrote their own stuff. They just parroted the Liberal drivel. Nothing has changed much. Oh there is Fox now- the lone conservative TV news channel-and even they gave Bush a drubbing.

  • dennis1111

    Defending the border would solve the whole problem. In fact, many people (in the tens of thousands) in Mexico have been killed because we haven’t controlled our border. If there were no other reason to seal the border, the inhumanity of allowing the killing because we don’t have the will to seal and control our own border makes wars elsewhere seem well, not so vital. So why don’t we?

    I think the slave masters have lost their ready slave labor force in America-because our labor is treated so well-so they use their power and money to keep a steady flow of second class non-citizens flowing. This is disgusting and obviously costs lives. For humanity’s sake lets seal the border.

    Whether we call the southern thing a war or not, it is wrong and it is relatively easy to fix. Seal the border. Allow only legal applicants to enter.

  • dennis1111

    I think we have already cut military spending and that segment is up for more cuts. However, we are unfortunately not using it to control the border, which would cost very little, we are using it to pay for benefits going to illegal residents….If we had the political will to handle this it would be simple. Just seal the border. It is easy and pretty cheap. You have to have the political will to do it. And, who is it that precludes that will? Hmmm. Best, dlc

  • dennis1111

    No invasion? How silly. Of course there is an invasion. How many illegals invade our borders every day? Who knows? Well we can approximate the numbers already here. Somewhere between ten and forty million. No invasion? Hah? And would you say that the cartels have no influence over our borders? If not the cartels then no one does.

  • Dave_A

    It would probably cost as much – if not more – than operations in Afganhistan. The manpower and support infastructure required would be huge.

    And we’d still fail.

    Border-focused thinking is the one reason we haven’t made any progress on the issue of illegal immigration – it sets up an impossible-impasse between ‘amnesty now’ and ‘seal the border’ – neither of which are workable. Change ‘seal the border’ to ‘enforce the law inside the US’, and you’ll have a winning proposal.

    Once you accept that the border will always be porous – as it has for our entire history due to the amount of border and the terrain involved, we can actually get to work on reducing illegal immigration and drug crime through interior enforcement.

  • Dave_A

    At least not due to drugs…

    The cartels gain little from taking over the MX government – their ideal operating environment is one where the border-region is an ungovernable frontier, and the violence associated with their trade is largely confined to Mexico so as to avoid provoking the US.

    ‘Largely confined’ of course, referrs to a situation where the overwhelming majority of violence that ocurres inside the US stays within the drug-dealer/drug-user community, occasionally involves cartel-on-LEO engagements, and generally avoids harming law-abiding US citizens…

    In order to maximize their profits, it’s in the cartels best interest to NOT ‘rock the boat’ so to speak – so you’re not going to see a ‘Cartel-Al Queda’ alliance – if the MX border ever actually became a terror-attack vector (So far it has not been – only the Canadian border has been a concern in that regard (Y2K bomber)) it hurts the cartels business… And all they care about is business.

    A civil war, or taking over the government of MX, also hurts this ‘ideal business scenario’…

    So it’s not likely to happen.

  • acat

    Ability to define and enforce borders?

    That’s just pocking nuts!

    Look, we won’t be able to get it perfect, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to interdict illegal border crossings.

    Further, the reason the “it’s a law enforcement” argument fails is precisely *because* the border is porus – “yeah, we can arrest and deport Jose and Juanita, but tomorrow two more will show up to replace ‘em, so what’s the point?”.

    Finally, nobody says it has to be perfect .. but quite a few say it should be better. The only ones I hear opposing that are business owners who depend on cheap day labor, drug dealers depending on inexpensive foreign product, and politicians who seek to pander to La Raza.

    Mew

  • gabs

    Why is it no one in a position to do something about it ever talks about serious jail time for those who hire illegals? Implement that and enforce it, NO ONE will cross the border. They come for work. If they can’t get it, they won’t come here. But some Americans need to go to jail before the job offers dry up, because right now, employers see no reason at all not to use that labor force.

  • acat

    Isn’t an unstable situation, by definition, onethat’s *going* to change?

    Do you see the Mexican government never stepping up enforcement? (and if not, then the area of northern Mexico that’s most chaotic ends up as not-Mexico – fails the sovereignty test.

    If the Mexican government does step up enforcement – and it’s been the position of the U.S. government to pay for the Mexican government to do so for quite a while now – we end up with a civil war.

    Seems to me you’re hiding behind semantics and doing a bit of wishful thinking, Dave_A.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the numbers are too high not to so characterize it as such

  • Dave_A

    Where the MX government puts on a show of trying to ‘enforce the law’, but generally fails gives up, and where the cartels don’t push back beyond their ‘zone’ simply because it provides them no advantage to do so.

    Motivations are critical, and due to the fact that the cartels are purely profit-motivated, they won’t do anything that harms their collective profits. Provoking a civil war with the MX govt, or allowing terrorist groups that actively threaten the US (anti-Israel ones that haven’t bothered us since the 80s don’t count) to base/operate in their ‘AO’ would both be very bad for drug-smuggling profits (And would allow competing south and central-American cartels to steal their business).

    So it won’t happen.

    Because it’s all about the money.

  • Dave_A

    The fact that our borders are too broad & much of the terrain is too hostile to make preventing foreign civilians from crossing feasible, has no bearing on that.

    If we had to defend the US from a foreign invasion, we could do *that* – and it wouldn’t involve ‘sealing the border’ – it would envolve 3rd-gen maneuver warfare against identified enemy troop concentrations… Fixed-fortifications went out of style with the Maginot & Siegfried lines….

    Those of us who realize the immense waste involved in ‘secure the border, leave the interior a free-play zone’ policy, don’t want to ‘pander’ to any of the groups you listed.

    We want to attack the problem on the demand-side, by eliminating the ability for illegal immigrants (40% of whom NEVER MAKE AN ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING) to get jobs, buy cars/homes, have bank accounts and so on…

    This means ID docs that can’t be forged by streetcorner criminals (DOD CAC-style, with electronic PKI chip), electronic verification, and IRS-style audits/penalties for anyone caught doing business with illegals.

    It doesn’t involve even one dime spent on the border.

    If we eliminate the reasons for illegals to come here, then it doesn’t matter if the southern border is as completely-unwatched as the northern one, they’ll still stop coming…

    Leaving the remaining drug-smuggling & other criminal operations to be dealt with by a border-patrol no longer burdened with the illegal-immigration situation (no extra manpower needed).

  • Dave_A

    There’s no enemy army, no hostile intent, no attempt to seize territory…

    The thing is, I would personally be fine with every single immigrant presently here being here, IF ONLY they had all complied with the law & gotten the proper papers.

    The problem to me, is entirely the ILLEGAL part and in no way the immigrant part.

    The US needs the population that immigration provides & the economic activity it generates, we just need them to respect us enough to come here with papers.

    So, the solution is not to call it an invasion & complain about immigrants, it’s to focus on the ILLEGAL part – to create a ‘secure society’ where only those who are here legally can participate in commerce, while simultaneously increasing legal immigration immensely, we’ll end the market for illegal immigrant labor (the ‘stick’ – use audits, smartcard-ID, and heavy fines/penalties – IRS style – to close off the economy to illegals), and our illegal population will self-deport, then come back legally (the ‘carrot’ – thanks to innocent-until-proven-guilty, if you leave & stop being here illegally, you can still come back with papers later)….

    It’s a perfect solution for the problem – one that all but the most polarized partisans can agree on – one that doesn’t involve amnesty, and doesn’t waste trillions building a ‘maginot line’ on the border….

  • acat

    I understand your argument – the drug lords recognize that, without Americanos hoovering up coke and other illegal substances, they’d be broke or worse, so they end up acting as defacto border guards.

    In summary, you’re proposing to trust one large and vicious group, any one of whom could be slipped a very large bribe to look the other way or provide a coyote or three, to protect the U.S. from another large and vicious group.

    There’s a word for this. The closest I can get, while staying inside the “be respectful” boundary is “madness”.

    Mew

  • acat

    Because unless it’s nationwide, issued practically at birth, and biometric, it doesn’t meet your requirements.

    Then, there’s the question of whether the government, which can’t seem to manage to keep money from wandering off or to collect taxes, can actually run such a scheme, especially when you get to the “I lost it” angle. Do we really want every cop and drug store clerk saying “Papers, please” ?

    Further, the idea that fixed defenses “went out of style” is like saying “swords went out of style” .. it makes them low-tech and un-stylish, not less effective in stopping an equally low-tech invasion.l

    I don’t disagree with stepping up internal enforcement – that’s a necessary step – but it’s also one that hasn’t make any progress in 40+ years. Why should I trust that it can move forward now?

    Finally, you’ve argued elsewhere in this thread that Northern Mexico will become ungovernable by Mexico City … at which point we likely will have to do something about human waves of refugees fleeing the chaos. How do you propose to handle that without armed services assistance?

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    or Passport Card.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    good discussion

  • acat

    We’ve hashed out the idea of e-verify and stepped up enforcement repeatedly – it’s quite popular here.

    It doesn’t resolve the cross-border drug or human traffic, nor does it do a thing about illegal gang activity, all of which still need to be addressed .. *at the border*.

    Mew

  • acat

    Because that’s what Dave_A appears to be driving at here.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And kitty is quite right about our many discussions. Use the RS search feature before you make a fool of yourself.

  • acat

    Or .. have you not heard of La Raza or La Reconquista?

    You may wish to become more informed than a lowly Chicago cat before pushing this further.

    Mew